Rogue One: A Star Wars Story

[00:00:10] A Rebellion. Built on podcasting.

[00:00:26] Yes, instead of hope.

[00:00:28] Yes, yes indeed. Hello everybody, my name is Griffin Newman.

[00:00:32] I'm David Sims.

[00:00:33] This is a podcast called Blank Check with Griffin and David. We are hashtag the two friends.

[00:00:37] And this is a podcast where we look at filmographies of directors who have massive success early on

[00:00:43] and then are given a series of blank checks to make whatever they want.

[00:00:47] That's what this podcast is about now. It's about how sometimes those checks clear and

[00:00:52] sometimes they bounce, maybe. But this podcast a long time ago...

[00:00:57] We should have called this podcast a Griffin and David present Rogue Podcast just to be

[00:01:02] old school about it.

[00:01:03] We could still do that if we want.

[00:01:05] You know, let's more just, we're just shouting that out just for the diehard.

[00:01:09] A long time ago in a podcasting network far, far away this podcast used to be called

[00:01:14] Griffin and David Present.

[00:01:16] What a scintillating title it was.

[00:01:18] And it was, it was great.

[00:01:20] I think we almost kept that title.

[00:01:22] Yeah, people were angry when we said we were going to Blank Check.

[00:01:25] Idiot.

[00:01:26] Yeah, and they're gonna be angry again when we change our name in the new year to Planet Money.

[00:01:30] But we want that money.

[00:01:32] We want that money.

[00:01:33] From Planet Pizza.

[00:01:34] That's...

[00:01:39] This podcast used to be about the Star Wars movies exclusively.

[00:01:45] Yeah, 100%.

[00:01:48] Except for Judging the Judge.

[00:01:50] Except for Judging the Judge.

[00:01:52] And we have promised on this show that whenever a previous subject...

[00:01:58] Yeah, pops back up.

[00:02:00] We gotta cover it.

[00:02:01] We gotta jump back into the pool.

[00:02:03] And this is exciting because all the Star Wars stuff was contained within one year for us.

[00:02:08] That's right, 2015.

[00:02:10] 2015 is our year of Star Wars.

[00:02:12] That's right.

[00:02:13] 2016 was the year of Not Star Wars.

[00:02:16] Right, but now a new Star Wars picture in theaters just in time for Christmas.

[00:02:20] The present under the tree as it will be every year from here on out.

[00:02:24] Most likely.

[00:02:25] Right?

[00:02:26] Yes.

[00:02:27] They're still saying Han Solo is coming out in the summer.

[00:02:30] We'll see.

[00:02:31] Are they really?

[00:02:32] Yes, May.

[00:02:33] They have it chalked in for May 2018.

[00:02:35] Maybe there'll be two Star Wars movies that year.

[00:02:37] That'd be crazy.

[00:02:39] Anyway, this I guess podcast is us wrestling with.

[00:02:45] The biggest sci-fi movie of the year?

[00:02:47] Yes.

[00:02:48] Passengers.

[00:02:49] Well here's one good thing.

[00:02:51] We've been recording so far in advance that we can also talk about some other movies.

[00:02:55] Well me and Griffin saw the number one hottest, number one sci-fi, number one sci-fi movie.

[00:03:02] Passengers.

[00:03:03] Number one sci-fi.

[00:03:04] I just want to say it over and over again.

[00:03:05] Movie of the year.

[00:03:06] Passengers together.

[00:03:07] We took a gander together.

[00:03:08] We saw a rogue one together.

[00:03:09] We took a gander together.

[00:03:11] I was going to say this is us.

[00:03:14] This is us.

[00:03:15] NBC's hit new series?

[00:03:17] Congrats.

[00:03:18] Chrissy Metz on your Golden Globe nomination.

[00:03:20] See we can do all these topical jokes.

[00:03:22] People love them.

[00:03:23] People love SAG nomination jokes.

[00:03:25] Topical jokes like just acknowledging that Chrissy Metz got a Golden Globe nomination.

[00:03:30] It's very cold outside.

[00:03:31] My brain is frozen.

[00:03:33] What I was going to say was when we were tackling Star Wars on this podcast, it was a very finite

[00:03:41] thing.

[00:03:43] Star Wars existed within these very strict confines.

[00:03:46] The chapters, the extended universe shit was its own corner.

[00:03:50] And then even the supplemental material that was considered canon at that point was

[00:03:55] a small selection of books, cartoon shows, what have you.

[00:03:58] And this is the first time that we're getting main canon Star Wars movies that aren't within

[00:04:05] the episodes.

[00:04:08] Which is how we've defined what real Star Wars is.

[00:04:11] Of course there always will be Star Wars, The Clone Wars, The Movie to fuck with that.

[00:04:16] But essentially you are correct.

[00:04:18] Right and I think this is an interesting turning point because now Star Wars has

[00:04:23] become a much broader thing.

[00:04:25] The walls have been broken down.

[00:04:26] And this movie I think is primarily concerned with doing that.

[00:04:30] Yeah well it's like you say you have the shelf of books and someone's got this new book

[00:04:37] and they're trying to kind of wet it in but the shelf is already kind of tight so you're

[00:04:41] sort of like yeah you're kind of maybe going to break the shelf.

[00:04:44] Right that's what it's like but they're trying to like I guess maybe convince us

[00:04:48] to buy new shelves.

[00:04:49] Yeah well once it's in there you're like it's there see?

[00:04:52] It's always been there.

[00:04:53] But then I think Kathleen Kennedy's main goal is to be like buy some new shelves because

[00:04:56] you're going to need to put a lot more books.

[00:04:57] Yes that and to stop any woman from ever making a Star Wars movie.

[00:05:01] I'm just kidding Kathleen.

[00:05:03] Within this metaphor I would say almost we've had a very tight shelf of what was

[00:05:06] Star Wars.

[00:05:07] Yeah now we fit this one book in.

[00:05:08] It's this shelf metaphor let's really go for it.

[00:05:10] I like it right?

[00:05:11] George Lucas built a mahogany shelf.

[00:05:13] We fit this one book in and then she's like but there are going to be more you

[00:05:19] should probably buy new shelves.

[00:05:21] So now it's like here's my shelf for the episodes here's my shelf for the other

[00:05:24] Star Wars stuff.

[00:05:25] It's kind of like how you have your DVDs arranged and then you get a new DVD

[00:05:30] and the new DVD is like a weird shape.

[00:05:33] Maybe it's got like a border or like I don't know there's something wrong with

[00:05:37] it.

[00:05:38] Right and you're like let me buy a new shelf for DVDs with weird packaging

[00:05:41] shapes.

[00:05:42] All right.

[00:05:43] All right main DVDs we're done.

[00:05:45] The movie we're talking about here is Rogue One.

[00:05:48] It is the first and I guess what Disney hopes will be a franchise of Rogue

[00:05:53] movies.

[00:05:54] It is to its credit decisively not which I give that movie huge credit a lot of

[00:06:01] credit for that.

[00:06:02] It's not like that yeah well by the way spoilers.

[00:06:06] Oh yeah if you haven't seen Rogue One.

[00:06:08] Yeah I mean we're recording this on the day the movie comes out and

[00:06:11] our listeners we assume the weekend after it's come out we assume a lot of

[00:06:15] you probably blanky you're seeing Rogue One.

[00:06:16] Yeah if you can't for whatever reason don't you know listen we're going to

[00:06:20] talk about what happens in Rogue One.

[00:06:21] Everyone dies at the end of the movie.

[00:06:23] Okay so let's talk about.

[00:06:25] Not Darth Vader he's fine.

[00:06:27] Darth Vader is alive yeah.

[00:06:28] Let's talk about Rogue One and to join us and talk you about Rogue One

[00:06:33] is Rogue One's biggest fan confirmed.

[00:06:37] Really loved it really really loved it.

[00:06:40] It was a good movie.

[00:06:41] Producer Ben, aka the Ben Deucer, aka the poet laureate, aka the tiebreaker,

[00:06:45] aka the fuckmaster, aka birthday Benny, aka our finest film critic,

[00:06:49] aka the peeper, aka the fart detective, aka dirt bike Benny.

[00:06:57] Thank you for being here.

[00:06:58] Meeting a warhead.

[00:06:59] Thank you for producing the podcast.

[00:07:01] Yeah who it's sour.

[00:07:03] It's sour.

[00:07:04] I know that's the idea but.

[00:07:06] We'd love to quickly acknowledge that you've graduated to certain

[00:07:07] titles over the course of different mini series such as Kylo Ben,

[00:07:09] Producer Ben Kenobi, Ben Sey, Ben Nite Shyamalan, Sey Ben Anything

[00:07:12] and Ailey Benz with a dollar sign for the ass.

[00:07:15] Yes of course.

[00:07:17] You loved Rogue One.

[00:07:18] The three of us saw it together.

[00:07:20] I had already seen it not to brag.

[00:07:22] Oh yeah I'm bragging.

[00:07:24] We saw it at the Alamo Draft House.

[00:07:26] Ben and I dined in on delicious flatbreads sat together.

[00:07:29] I got some sliders personally.

[00:07:31] You got some sliders.

[00:07:33] Joanne your girlfriend was there with us as well.

[00:07:35] Yeah she got some sort of a bean dish.

[00:07:38] Beans and potatoes.

[00:07:40] Interesting.

[00:07:41] It was on the special Star Wars menu.

[00:07:43] She said that it was bad.

[00:07:44] Oh interesting.

[00:07:45] My sliders were okay.

[00:07:47] And you got the special Star Wars sliders too?

[00:07:49] They were like tropical themed but they were trying to go off the.

[00:07:52] It was going all beachy.

[00:07:53] What's the planet called Scarif?

[00:07:54] Scarif.

[00:07:55] Yeah.

[00:07:56] I got a meat lovers pizza.

[00:07:57] You got the M train maybe.

[00:07:59] Would you call yourself a meat lover?

[00:08:01] Yeah I would.

[00:08:02] Should we call Ben the meat lover from now on?

[00:08:04] Yeah let's call him the meat lover.

[00:08:05] What if we replaced all the previous nicknames and just called him the meat lover?

[00:08:08] In 2017 it's like, and there's producer Ben aka the meat lover.

[00:08:13] Maybe we should do that.

[00:08:14] We just don't say anything else.

[00:08:15] That might be funny.

[00:08:16] That might be funny.

[00:08:17] We're too far ahead with all the other episodes.

[00:08:19] Oh that's true.

[00:08:20] We've ruined our bit.

[00:08:21] Like foiled.

[00:08:22] What if we invent a time machine and we just intervene in the recording of every episode?

[00:08:26] Oh no I thought you were going to ask that I just insert the meat lover into all the stuff we've recorded already.

[00:08:32] Okay it would be pretty funny if you did that because it would be like, and now it's time for producer Ben aka a slight pause and we're like meat lover!

[00:08:41] In unison.

[00:08:43] Okay Ben can we get, can we quickly David, you and I let's say meat lover in unison and Ben drop it into at least one episode.

[00:08:51] Alright I will do that.

[00:08:52] Ready?

[00:08:53] One, two, three.

[00:08:54] The meat lover!

[00:08:56] That's good.

[00:08:57] Ooh actually could I, could we just do it one more time?

[00:09:01] Yeah we're a little hot on that one.

[00:09:02] Yeah a little hot Griffin just back off just slightly.

[00:09:05] Okay I'm backing away.

[00:09:07] Alright, alright here we go.

[00:09:09] Three, two, one.

[00:09:11] The meat lover!

[00:09:13] I was very muted.

[00:09:15] It's great.

[00:09:16] They're really good.

[00:09:17] Our Turric episode which came out pretty recently but we shot, recorded at September 11th, don't forget.

[00:09:24] There was the bit about Ben sniffing out the fart and then called him the fart detective

[00:09:29] and then people on like Reddit and Twitter were like please make that a permanent nickname

[00:09:33] but it was like well we recorded that in September, I forgot we made that joke.

[00:09:36] Sure.

[00:09:37] Then four months passed.

[00:09:38] You've included it in a couple episodes.

[00:09:40] Since then.

[00:09:41] But there's like a whole run of like the first five Spielberg episodes I don't call them that

[00:09:45] because I forgot that we had come up with that.

[00:09:47] Guys look this is for you to piece together and we're leaving you in a fractured timeline

[00:09:52] to put you know, to knit into a tapestry.

[00:09:55] Yeah so get out your red yarn and your index cards and start tracing it.

[00:10:00] Exactly.

[00:10:01] Not this episode.

[00:10:02] This episode is recorded in the present.

[00:10:04] People are going to hear it primarily in the week it was released.

[00:10:08] So this is like the old days to speak.

[00:10:10] It's like the old days when we would just arrive here and we'd be like

[00:10:13] the fuck are we going to talk about this week?

[00:10:15] We have to have an episode!

[00:10:16] How about the politics of Star Wars Episode 2?

[00:10:20] Never forget that mistake.

[00:10:21] Okay so let's talk about Rogue One.

[00:10:23] You had seen it before.

[00:10:25] Ben and I had not.

[00:10:26] I started the press screening.

[00:10:27] I got in this year.

[00:10:28] Yeah.

[00:10:29] Because of my extreme celebrity and importantness.

[00:10:31] Congratulations.

[00:10:32] And the press screening was pretty wild.

[00:10:34] It was fun.

[00:10:35] Colin Joest was there and I made eye contact with him and I felt really bad because

[00:10:39] I'm mean about him online sometimes.

[00:10:42] How is he looking in person?

[00:10:44] He looks, I mean I've seen Colin Joest in person several times.

[00:10:46] He looks exactly the same as he does on TV.

[00:10:48] Like he's kind of got that kind of can of hairspray like old school newspaper guy.

[00:10:53] Newspaper anchor.

[00:10:54] News anchor.

[00:10:55] Newspaper anchor?

[00:10:56] Yeah.

[00:10:57] You know, he looks like, you know, he looks a little fakey almost.

[00:10:59] Like he's, you know, kind of blandly handsome.

[00:11:01] Two points I want to make.

[00:11:03] One, newspaper anchor is when paper boys would throw the newspaper

[00:11:06] or attach a weight to it so it would land on your doorstep.

[00:11:08] Newspaper anchor, that's a real thing.

[00:11:09] Okay fine but that would mean that he'd look like an inanimate object, right?

[00:11:12] Like some sort of a brick.

[00:11:14] Two, I saw him on the subway recently and his hair looked weirdly flat which is why I asked.

[00:11:19] Well, I mean maybe he'd made an effort for the premiere.

[00:11:21] Maybe, yeah.

[00:11:22] Number three newspaper anchor is not a real thing.

[00:11:24] I made that up.

[00:11:25] Ah shit you're right.

[00:11:28] So Ben loved the movie.

[00:11:31] Yeah, I mean I don't understand what's not to love.

[00:11:35] Ben, you and I have seen a handful of movies together at this point in theaters

[00:11:38] but also have watched a lot of movies together

[00:11:40] and talked about them just over the course of this podcast.

[00:11:43] Sure but it's only occasionally that you will watch it in person.

[00:11:45] I'm sitting next to Ben in a theater.

[00:11:46] Right, right, right.

[00:11:47] I've certainly never seen Ben react like something, like this.

[00:11:50] I was sitting, Joanna was in between me and Ben.

[00:11:52] Yeah.

[00:11:53] But I even, even I from that vantage point saw Ben kind of pumping his fist

[00:11:57] and kind of leading forward and going like yeah and stuff like that.

[00:12:00] Yeah and you were like gasping a lot Ben

[00:12:02] there were a lot of moments where you were like oh.

[00:12:04] Now I want to say what I wanted to say was my press screening

[00:12:07] there was very vocal, very loud, cheering a lot, big reactions.

[00:12:12] And the Alamo screening possibly because the Alamo is very, you know,

[00:12:16] kind of militant about it.

[00:12:17] No talking, no texting, like shh.

[00:12:19] Yeah.

[00:12:20] It was very quiet, very quiet screening.

[00:12:22] It's deadly silent.

[00:12:23] I mean very few jokes even got lost.

[00:12:24] And there were still some people with like lightsabers

[00:12:26] and wearing, you know, Jedi robes.

[00:12:28] Yeah there was someone in full Rey cosplay.

[00:12:31] Oh we need to talk about this.

[00:12:32] Before the movie started they did like a contest for Rogue One giveaways.

[00:12:37] They did.

[00:12:38] And they were like we need-

[00:12:39] My friend Mike Sampson, my online friend Mike Sampson.

[00:12:41] And they were like does someone want to come up and embarrass themselves in front of their friends?

[00:12:45] My hand shot up like a rock.

[00:12:46] Oh god you were-

[00:12:47] Because I mean what am I known for?

[00:12:49] You're like a kindergarten red to pee.

[00:12:50] If not wanting to embarrass myself in front of my friends.

[00:12:53] Right.

[00:12:54] And we were like all the way in the back, second to last row.

[00:12:56] And not a super huge screen.

[00:12:58] No it's the biggest screen they've got but you know.

[00:13:00] Second to last row and he like picked two people, okay you with the lightsaber.

[00:13:04] Okay easy pick, give me.

[00:13:05] Then he picked a woman in the first three rows and I was like okay.

[00:13:08] Then he's like what about someone from the back?

[00:13:10] I always feel bad for the back because they never get picked.

[00:13:12] And I'm like this is my moment, this is my moment, this is my moment.

[00:13:15] And then he picked someone from dead in the middle.

[00:13:17] Yeah.

[00:13:18] This middling asshole.

[00:13:19] And he won I believe.

[00:13:20] And he won, he was good.

[00:13:21] He was pretty good.

[00:13:22] But then they said like I was like god damn it and gets up and he's like okay here's the contest.

[00:13:26] Each of you has a Star Wars quote, you have to read the Star Wars quote and perform it the best.

[00:13:30] And I was like Jesus Christ what a fucking won this thing.

[00:13:33] Yeah.

[00:13:34] And I was just being like they got like a poster and the grand prize when it got like a T-shirt that just had the logo on it.

[00:13:38] What did you think they were gonna get?

[00:13:40] Like dinner with Mads Mickelson?

[00:13:42] Yeah.

[00:13:43] Dinner with Mads.

[00:13:44] I thought they were gonna get dinner with Mads.

[00:13:45] I am making a movie next year called My Dinner With Mads.

[00:13:48] You should tell the listeners what you would have done if you had been picked.

[00:13:52] So I said to Ben because he was like handed them each the cards, he had like random cards

[00:13:58] and they picked, they didn't know what they were gonna get.

[00:14:00] And I said like Jesus Christ, if one of them gets waddo I'm gonna go fucking ballistic in this theater.

[00:14:05] It would have been a little weird if one of the three quotes was waddo.

[00:14:07] Well and then it was like the three most obvious quotes.

[00:14:09] It was three very obvious quotes.

[00:14:10] It was Darth Vader saying no at the end of set.

[00:14:12] Yeah.

[00:14:13] It was a fucking scruffy nerf order.

[00:14:15] At the bar it's a trap.

[00:14:16] And it's a trap.

[00:14:17] And it's nerf order.

[00:14:18] Which I would have killed it's a trap.

[00:14:19] Sure.

[00:14:20] You wanna go ahead?

[00:14:21] It's a trap!

[00:14:23] That was something.

[00:14:24] It's a trap!

[00:14:25] Alright okay so we're, the podcast is over.

[00:14:28] The podcast is done.

[00:14:29] And that's it?

[00:14:30] Yeah.

[00:14:31] But then they each did their thing and I turned to Ben and I went, you know what, if I had

[00:14:35] gotten picked I would have just done waddo regardless of what card they gave me.

[00:14:39] Ehhhhhhh.

[00:14:40] Ehhhhhhh.

[00:14:41] Um okay so then the movie starts.

[00:14:45] Then the movie starts.

[00:14:46] And then it finishes.

[00:14:47] I just wanna talk about our responses first then we'll go through the plot of the film.

[00:14:51] And then, then-

[00:14:52] I think between nothing happened except that we were served food and drinks.

[00:14:55] Right.

[00:14:56] Like and the movie was playing.

[00:14:57] But deadly silent.

[00:14:58] Very quiet audience.

[00:14:59] Ben was really-

[00:15:00] For claps at the end.

[00:15:01] Visibly into it, claps at the end.

[00:15:02] People liked the ending a lot.

[00:15:03] Cause the ending's really good.

[00:15:04] Yeah.

[00:15:05] I felt very wellmed by the movie.

[00:15:08] Yeah he was pretty wellmed guys.

[00:15:09] I was actually a little surprised.

[00:15:11] I was just kind of like that's fine.

[00:15:13] So I had already seen the movie and liked it a lot but the first time you see these

[00:15:17] things I felt the same way with episode 7.

[00:15:20] You know, you're just kinda, you know, trying to take everything in, you're

[00:15:24] trying to pay attention, you know, you're trying to, you're trying to like sort of temper

[00:15:28] your enthusiasm in a weird sort of way.

[00:15:30] Cause you're like I don't know what the fuck's gonna happen.

[00:15:32] I always try to not think about, think ahead of the movie too much cause I worry that I'll

[00:15:37] sort of get in my own head a little bit where I'm like oh are they gonna do this now?

[00:15:41] Where are we going with this?

[00:15:42] Yeah.

[00:15:43] So, you know, it's a first- I always find the first one, the first viewing with

[00:15:47] these really big movies.

[00:15:49] I just gotta like, I gotta see it again.

[00:15:51] I have a bit of that too and I know I certainly have a thing with like the Pixar

[00:15:54] movies because they're what I watch when I can't fall asleep at night because my

[00:15:57] brain doesn't work.

[00:15:59] It's very hard for me to see like a Pixar movie for the first time.

[00:16:02] Be it good or bad.

[00:16:04] Right, okay.

[00:16:05] Because it's like, you know.

[00:16:06] That's your Christmas.

[00:16:07] Well like fucking like, Incredibles I've seen 80 times.

[00:16:09] Me too.

[00:16:10] So I know every single like micro movement in it.

[00:16:12] Me too.

[00:16:13] Where then to watch Inside Out for the first time when people were like how

[00:16:15] do you think it ranks?

[00:16:16] I was like I don't even know yet.

[00:16:17] Sure you need a couple times.

[00:16:19] But what about when you've seen like, what's a bad picture?

[00:16:21] A bad one?

[00:16:22] I'm curious too.

[00:16:23] I've only seen once because I'm just like I fucking get it.

[00:16:24] It's bad.

[00:16:25] Sure.

[00:16:26] Good dinosaur I've only seen once.

[00:16:27] Oh god.

[00:16:28] You know?

[00:16:29] I think I watched that.

[00:16:30] I watched it about half.

[00:16:31] Yeah.

[00:16:32] I mean I was there for the whole movie but...

[00:16:33] So I'll grant it that but here were my sumbling blocks with the

[00:16:37] movie okay?

[00:16:40] Ben went when, you were very surprised that I didn't like it more Ben.

[00:16:44] Yeah I mean I was mildly surprised.

[00:16:47] I think Ben was quite surprised.

[00:16:48] Yes.

[00:16:49] I just like delivered on you know action and not being clunky and

[00:16:56] being interesting in the Star Wars world.

[00:17:00] Well and there's something you said like right when I, because

[00:17:04] the movie ended David you went what do you think and I like shook my

[00:17:07] hand I did it like kind of half-half thing right?

[00:17:09] And Ben you were like shocked and then the thing you said

[00:17:13] immediately in defense of the movie was like it's got one

[00:17:17] thing you just do it.

[00:17:18] Yes.

[00:17:19] Yes you like that it was a pretty focused story about a focus

[00:17:22] mission.

[00:17:23] But also that's something that I've complained about a lot

[00:17:25] certainly with the Phantom Menace trilogy that it's like you

[00:17:28] don't know what the fuck's going on and when I complain about

[00:17:31] big blockbuster movies that are overloaded it's like I don't

[00:17:33] know what they're trying to do.

[00:17:34] And also of course these franchise movies these days that

[00:17:36] have to be about lots of things because they have to

[00:17:38] lead all these threads dangling.

[00:17:40] Right.

[00:17:41] It didn't get caught up in its own mythology.

[00:17:43] I agree 100% and I respect that about the film immensely that

[00:17:47] it is like the good guys and the bad guys both have

[00:17:51] essentially the same objective right?

[00:17:53] It's centered around one thing.

[00:17:55] And whatever's going on on a scene by scene basis in the

[00:17:57] movie you know it's working to that end.

[00:17:59] It's very easy to chart it.

[00:18:01] My two big stumbling blocks with this movie are the

[00:18:05] objectives are very clear.

[00:18:07] I think it's pretty well plotted.

[00:18:09] I don't think it has a story.

[00:18:11] I disagree.

[00:18:12] I don't think there's really a story to this movie.

[00:18:14] I think there's an objective.

[00:18:16] I don't think there's a story because I don't think any one

[00:18:19] character in this film actually has an arc, an emotional

[00:18:22] arc.

[00:18:23] Yeah I think this is a movie where the emotional arc is in

[00:18:25] the Rebel Alliance not in the characters as much and it's

[00:18:28] more about links in a chain like you know that's and

[00:18:31] that's what I liked about it.

[00:18:32] Now this gets into me not throwing out an objective

[00:18:34] opinion about the movie but just a subjective response

[00:18:37] which is I mostly have an objective opinion right?

[00:18:41] I'm not trying to argue that the movie doesn't work

[00:18:43] because of this.

[00:18:44] I'm just talking in my own experience I tend to relate

[00:18:46] to things through character.

[00:18:48] Sure.

[00:18:49] And we've recorded a Save and Prev-O-R-Ian episode.

[00:18:51] Let me just say my little thing here before we go through.

[00:18:53] No no yeah I know what you're saying and again

[00:18:55] you should say it because right people haven't heard

[00:18:57] the Save and Prev-O-R-Ian episode even though we

[00:18:59] recorded it a while back.

[00:19:00] But I talk a lot in the Save and Prev-O-R-Ian episode

[00:19:02] about how I have a lot of trouble getting into war

[00:19:04] movies because war movies are more objective based

[00:19:06] and there tends to be an ensemble of characters

[00:19:08] who are thinly sketched because there's not really

[00:19:10] a lot of people who are like if you're realistically

[00:19:12] depicting war it's such a tense fast situation

[00:19:15] it's hard to have real character moments.

[00:19:17] Right you couldn't have ten minutes of I don't know

[00:19:20] whatever, Bayes Malbus where it's like

[00:19:22] here's what his deal really is and it's also

[00:19:26] of course war movies are about a country or a group

[00:19:29] right?

[00:19:30] Like they're about the objectives of some sort of

[00:19:32] a larger, the allies, the axis,

[00:19:34] some sort of a larger body of people.

[00:19:36] Right I think as all listeners of this show

[00:19:38] will know tend to be a pretty obsessive detail

[00:19:41] focused person.

[00:19:42] Yeah.

[00:19:43] And I have a hard time dealing with things in the

[00:19:45] macro kind of, I need to deal with things on

[00:19:47] the micro level which is why I think I engage

[00:19:49] with characters so much because if I can

[00:19:51] follow what's going through an emotional

[00:19:53] through line then I have an easy connection.

[00:19:56] More of a comic book thing.

[00:19:58] Yeah.

[00:19:59] Or I mean I know you like always true

[00:20:00] in a comic book like you know there's

[00:20:01] always very big bold characters for you

[00:20:04] to you know, but last so.

[00:20:06] Which is why I like like primal fucking pop

[00:20:08] storytelling.

[00:20:09] Yeah.

[00:20:10] But you know the Star Wars movies always have

[00:20:12] even when they're bad, like the prequels

[00:20:15] are very much character based movies.

[00:20:18] They're bad arcs and they're poorly you know

[00:20:20] rendered characters.

[00:20:21] Right.

[00:20:22] But they are like character stories first

[00:20:23] and foremost.

[00:20:24] They are.

[00:20:25] This is the first Star Wars movie I've seen

[00:20:26] that like isn't really character based.

[00:20:28] No and it only has and it's only really

[00:20:31] interested in one character arc and I

[00:20:33] would say it's only mildly interested in

[00:20:35] it.

[00:20:36] And which one do you think that is?

[00:20:37] I mean, it's the only one where they're

[00:20:39] even bothering to provide a lot of

[00:20:41] context.

[00:20:42] See I think Galen's the one who comes

[00:20:43] closest to having an arc in this movie.

[00:20:45] You mean a...

[00:20:46] Matt.

[00:20:47] Which is why I want to get to know him.

[00:20:48] Galen.

[00:20:49] Galen.

[00:20:50] Okay.

[00:20:51] Galen Urso.

[00:20:52] I was like looking at the castle someone

[00:20:54] GATLEN.

[00:20:55] Who the hell is GATLEN?

[00:20:56] I said GALEN.

[00:20:57] You said GALEN.

[00:20:58] I don't pronounce things well.

[00:21:00] GALEN's got kind of an interesting arc

[00:21:02] but I mean not a not a.

[00:21:04] And a lot of it happens offscreen in

[00:21:06] between scenes and stuff like.

[00:21:07] Can I argue the whole point?

[00:21:08] Yes.

[00:21:09] I thought like two performances and

[00:21:11] I think like two kind of characters

[00:21:13] that maybe it wasn't a huge arc but it

[00:21:15] felt like there was something there was

[00:21:17] the blind character Chura.

[00:21:20] Yeah.

[00:21:21] And his good friend Baze.

[00:21:23] Baze Malbus.

[00:21:24] Those were my two favorite characters.

[00:21:25] They're so good.

[00:21:26] And like you know again they

[00:21:29] maybe didn't have enough time to really

[00:21:31] explore but it still felt like

[00:21:33] you sort of saw the relationship

[00:21:35] and saw sort of where it went.

[00:21:37] I thought Bodie had a nice little arc.

[00:21:39] I like all the characters but I am more

[00:21:41] into this as like a dirty dozen movie.

[00:21:43] Like that's why I like it.

[00:21:44] I mean that's one reason I like it.

[00:21:45] I like it for a lot of reasons.

[00:21:46] Yeah.

[00:21:47] Yeah.

[00:21:48] I mean I think the film

[00:21:49] we should just start getting into the plot

[00:21:50] but I just want to set out my

[00:21:52] like reservations with it which once again

[00:21:54] are not judgments of the movie

[00:21:56] as thoroughly as they are maybe.

[00:21:58] And we should actually too before we talk about

[00:22:00] the plot.

[00:22:01] Guys no no bits.

[00:22:03] Okay.

[00:22:04] Oh yeah.

[00:22:05] No that's very important.

[00:22:06] Yeah we've always been a no bits

[00:22:08] podcast.

[00:22:09] This is going to be a very serious

[00:22:10] academic dissection

[00:22:12] of a new Star Wars movie that just came

[00:22:14] out the first Rogue One movie.

[00:22:15] Yeah.

[00:22:16] Sure.

[00:22:17] I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

[00:22:18] Pro-Smiths.

[00:22:19] Pro-Smiths.

[00:22:20] Oh.

[00:22:21] We're all Pro-Smiths.

[00:22:22] No spoilers.

[00:22:23] Okay.

[00:22:24] You are.

[00:22:25] That's a bit.

[00:22:26] You just did a damn bit.

[00:22:27] No bits.

[00:22:28] No bits.

[00:22:29] I'm not doing any bits.

[00:22:30] What the fuck are you talking about?

[00:22:31] God remember the old days.

[00:22:33] Yeah.

[00:22:34] Remember the fucking old days.

[00:22:35] Oh God how great it would be

[00:22:36] to relive those old days through

[00:22:38] four best of episodes

[00:22:40] coming up after this.

[00:22:41] Anyway.

[00:22:42] Okay so the movie starts,

[00:22:44] the beginning I was actually pretty hooked.

[00:22:46] The beginning was kind of functioning

[00:22:48] on the level that I

[00:22:49] wanted out of this.

[00:22:51] You know?

[00:22:52] It starts with young Jenner or so

[00:22:55] on her home planet of...

[00:22:57] I can look it up.

[00:22:58] It's got an apostrophe in it.

[00:22:59] Okay.

[00:23:00] Hey and no crawl either.

[00:23:02] No crawl.

[00:23:03] Which I thought was cool.

[00:23:04] We have the long time ago

[00:23:05] in a galaxy far, far away

[00:23:06] which I assume is now going to be

[00:23:08] the standard.

[00:23:09] That's the thing that's being held on to.

[00:23:11] Unless the film doesn't take place

[00:23:12] a long time ago in a galaxy

[00:23:13] far, far away.

[00:23:15] You think they'll make one of the

[00:23:17] spin-offs that takes place

[00:23:18] in like New York City

[00:23:20] in like 2005?

[00:23:21] Nebraska.

[00:23:22] It's possible.

[00:23:24] What if they made one of the

[00:23:26] Star Wars stories about us

[00:23:28] doing this podcast?

[00:23:30] Yeah, that would be really good.

[00:23:32] Who do you think would play us?

[00:23:33] Not this episode, but like...

[00:23:34] The whole podcast.

[00:23:35] The Gryffindor and David present

[00:23:36] and then the saga of that

[00:23:37] turning into a blank check.

[00:23:38] Who would play us?

[00:23:40] I mean, God, the dumb...

[00:23:43] I mean, if Johnny Galecky

[00:23:44] probably plays me, right?

[00:23:46] He's pretty old.

[00:23:48] Yeah, fucking...

[00:23:49] Hey, read the comments.

[00:23:50] See how many people think that

[00:23:51] Johnny Galecky played Arthur in the tick.

[00:23:53] Oh really?

[00:23:55] That's actually crazy.

[00:23:57] People are pretty on observance.

[00:23:59] I want Dexter Jester to play me.

[00:24:02] Okay, Dexter Jester.

[00:24:03] You want him to play you?

[00:24:05] Johnny Galecky.

[00:24:06] You want it to say in the credits

[00:24:08] Ben Hosley played by Dexter Jester.

[00:24:10] And Dexter Jester as...

[00:24:12] Ben would get the and

[00:24:13] and then who would play you?

[00:24:14] I don't know.

[00:24:15] Well, you're the one who posed the thing.

[00:24:17] You don't have a...

[00:24:18] Brandon Frazier.

[00:24:19] Okay, that's a good one.

[00:24:20] That is a good one.

[00:24:21] Yeah, sure.

[00:24:22] I think Brandon Frazier would play you well.

[00:24:23] Yeah, I think he'd do a good job.

[00:24:24] Okay, so Brandon Frazier's probably

[00:24:25] first billed Johnny Galecky and

[00:24:27] Dexter Jester as...

[00:24:28] And Dexter Jester as Ben Hosley.

[00:24:30] Pretty much Ben Hosley, AKA the Ben Jester.

[00:24:32] They would eat a crawl from a nickname.

[00:24:34] That's most of the movie.

[00:24:35] Alright, so she's on some planet.

[00:24:36] I can't find the name.

[00:24:37] Okay.

[00:24:38] We're ahead of Wikipedia for the first time

[00:24:39] in this podcast history.

[00:24:40] The first time ever.

[00:24:41] Yeah, geez.

[00:24:42] And Orson Krennic played by Ben Mendelssohn

[00:24:45] and Ben Mendelssohn's Big Ears.

[00:24:47] One of my favorite living actors.

[00:24:49] He's great.

[00:24:50] Now what do you love Ben Mendelssohn in?

[00:24:52] Everything he's been in.

[00:24:53] Right.

[00:24:54] I think he's...

[00:24:55] He really is an excellent actor.

[00:24:57] He's a really excellent actor.

[00:24:58] I mean, what should we call it?

[00:25:00] Animal Kingdom was the one where I was just like,

[00:25:02] Jesus Christ, what the fuck is this?

[00:25:04] He'd been around in Australia for years already.

[00:25:06] He started acting when he was 18.

[00:25:07] He was in stuff as a teenager.

[00:25:09] But that really launched him and then,

[00:25:11] he's obviously amazing in Mississippi Grind.

[00:25:14] He's great in a slow west.

[00:25:16] Please be on the pines.

[00:25:17] I thought he was really excellent.

[00:25:19] Sure, what else is he in?

[00:25:20] Let's see.

[00:25:21] And obviously he's in TV shows.

[00:25:23] Killing them softly.

[00:25:24] He's really good in the end of the Dominic movie.

[00:25:26] Yes, I've never watched Bloodline.

[00:25:27] Everyone's got to get rid of Danny.

[00:25:28] What's up with Danny?

[00:25:29] He won the Emmy for that?

[00:25:30] He did win an Emmy.

[00:25:32] Yeah.

[00:25:33] Somewhat ridiculously for the second season

[00:25:35] in which, I'm sorry guys,

[00:25:36] Bloodline spoilers, he is dead.

[00:25:38] And a ghost.

[00:25:40] Anyway, but he right now,

[00:25:43] he's a bit of a flavor of the month for Hollywood

[00:25:45] and that is not to dismiss Ben Mendelssohn's

[00:25:47] overall quality.

[00:25:48] It's just like suddenly,

[00:25:49] he starts getting cast in tons of projects.

[00:25:51] He's almost going through a Alan Rickman post die-hard thing

[00:25:54] where it's like, let's plug this guy into the system.

[00:25:56] Exactly.

[00:25:57] Or maybe a Gary Oldman back in his breakout years.

[00:26:00] That thing where it's like, here's a nice green,

[00:26:03] a textured character actor.

[00:26:05] Oh look at this guy's face.

[00:26:06] I just want to put it in something.

[00:26:08] Right.

[00:26:09] Because he's going to be in Ready Player One, right?

[00:26:10] Yes, and he just,

[00:26:11] got announced he's going to be the sheriff

[00:26:13] of Nottingham in the new Robin Hood.

[00:26:15] So he really is like the new Alan Rickman.

[00:26:17] Yeah, I was actually a little annoyed when I saw that.

[00:26:19] Me too.

[00:26:20] I had a good tweet about it.

[00:26:21] That's a waste of like six months of Ben Mendelssohn

[00:26:23] when he's doing other stuff.

[00:26:24] He should be playing a jolly mailman in something.

[00:26:26] Yeah, yeah.

[00:26:27] That was my joke.

[00:26:28] I'd be more excited to see Ben Mendelssohn

[00:26:29] playing like Little John or something, you know?

[00:26:32] Yeah, no, I'd like to see him be funny.

[00:26:34] Because he has one very...

[00:26:35] A rapper?

[00:26:36] Yes, yes.

[00:26:37] Little John.

[00:26:38] Little John.

[00:26:39] Yeah, that would be very unproblematic

[00:26:40] and no one would object.

[00:26:43] He's going to be in Darkest Hour,

[00:26:45] the Joe Wright movie about Winston Churchill.

[00:26:47] He's going to play George the Six.

[00:26:48] That's a movie that's coming up next year.

[00:26:49] I was looking at movies that are coming out next year

[00:26:51] and I was like, holy shit, like Wright,

[00:26:53] we do this again every year.

[00:26:55] Gotta go around the horn again.

[00:26:56] More movies.

[00:26:57] Yeah.

[00:26:58] Ben Mendelssohn is mostly known for being

[00:27:00] a kind of twitchy, sweaty...

[00:27:02] Villain.

[00:27:03] Yes.

[00:27:04] But kind of a gross, you know...

[00:27:07] Oh, I see, okay, sure.

[00:27:08] He's got a kind of live wire energy

[00:27:10] but he goes into...

[00:27:12] He's very unvain.

[00:27:14] There's a better word for that, I'm sure.

[00:27:16] No, but you're right.

[00:27:17] But he doesn't give a shit

[00:27:18] and he doesn't care about being sympathetic

[00:27:20] and he doesn't care about being...

[00:27:21] No.

[00:27:22] A lot of villains want to go for...

[00:27:24] or villain actors want to go for a certain seductiveness

[00:27:26] or something like that.

[00:27:27] No, I mean...

[00:27:28] He's this squirrely kind of live wire dude

[00:27:32] who's very twitchy

[00:27:33] and when they announced that he was going to be in this

[00:27:36] it was really exciting.

[00:27:37] I first thought he was going to play a hero

[00:27:38] because they hadn't announced he was the villain yet

[00:27:40] and I was like, I'd love to see him play a hero

[00:27:41] in something like this.

[00:27:42] I think when I saw him and I was like,

[00:27:44] oh well, he's probably your villain, right?

[00:27:46] It was either him or Forrest Whitaker.

[00:27:48] Sure.

[00:27:49] And that felt...

[00:27:50] Forrest Whitaker almost felt even more obvious.

[00:27:51] I do love though that the villain he plays in this

[00:27:54] isn't like...

[00:27:55] They could have very easily made him

[00:27:57] like the weird twitchy alien villain.

[00:27:59] Exactly.

[00:28:00] I like the idea of Orson director-crenic a lot.

[00:28:03] He's very regal.

[00:28:04] He's very sort of...

[00:28:05] He's well apportioned

[00:28:06] He's in his Imperial Whites all the time

[00:28:09] but Abe Reisman...

[00:28:12] You know Abe, right?

[00:28:13] Yeah, yeah.

[00:28:14] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:28:15] He tweeted, uh, Rogue One is, in many ways,

[00:28:17] the story of a product manager who gets screwed

[00:28:19] by one of the firm senior partners just before rollout.

[00:28:22] And, uh, you know, that is kind of what Orson-crenic is.

[00:28:25] Yes, yes.

[00:28:26] He's like...

[00:28:27] He's the guy who thought of the Death Star

[00:28:29] and everyone was like,

[00:28:31] come on man, a fucking planet-sized spaceship

[00:28:34] that blows up planets like,

[00:28:36] you're out of your fucking mind.

[00:28:37] And he like, he makes it happen, damn it!

[00:28:39] And he gets the scientist

[00:28:41] and they build the fucking thing

[00:28:43] and it works and then the minute it works,

[00:28:45] you know, everyone's like,

[00:28:46] oh wow, this thing is really good.

[00:28:48] Get out of the way!

[00:28:49] Like come on, I'm in charge of this now!

[00:28:50] He's almost like the Orlando Bloom

[00:28:52] of this Elizabeth town.

[00:28:54] Interesting.

[00:28:55] You could imagine, in Rogue Two,

[00:28:57] he would jump on that suicide.

[00:28:58] A suicide?

[00:28:59] Yeah.

[00:29:00] Uh, it works.

[00:29:01] But I like that they...

[00:29:02] even though he's a villain,

[00:29:03] they cast him against type.

[00:29:04] Okay.

[00:29:05] And he's got an amazing look in this room.

[00:29:06] And great ears.

[00:29:07] Great ears.

[00:29:08] Um...

[00:29:09] He's got a good look.

[00:29:10] He's got a very good look.

[00:29:11] And he's a great way to making him work as a villain,

[00:29:13] even of his characters undercooked at times.

[00:29:16] Yeah.

[00:29:17] You know.

[00:29:18] And for a guy who's usually so, um...

[00:29:21] you know, a behavioral and twitchy

[00:29:23] and physical as an actor,

[00:29:25] to see him play this kind of stoic and regal,

[00:29:28] but not have it feel like an affectation,

[00:29:31] which I think a lot of people can do

[00:29:33] where it's just like, okay,

[00:29:34] squared shoulders, good posture,

[00:29:36] like he's just posing.

[00:29:37] It feels like down to his bones,

[00:29:39] this guy is just like the Empire.

[00:29:42] Yeah, he's an Empire.

[00:29:43] Yes.

[00:29:44] I agree with you.

[00:29:45] And it feels like, you know,

[00:29:46] you look at a...

[00:29:47] what's his name?

[00:29:48] A Dom O'Gleason character.

[00:29:50] Hux.

[00:29:51] Right.

[00:29:52] Felt like more of a Ben Mendelsohn type

[00:29:53] and vice versa.

[00:29:54] But I like that they cast these two against type.

[00:29:56] Anyway, anyway, anyway,

[00:29:57] he lands on this planet.

[00:29:58] He's searching for...

[00:29:59] And I like this scene too.

[00:30:00] I like the environment of the planet.

[00:30:02] I love the opening.

[00:30:03] It's very verdant.

[00:30:04] Yes.

[00:30:05] It's very moist.

[00:30:06] Yeah.

[00:30:07] Uh...

[00:30:08] I don't know.

[00:30:09] Yeah, he's searching for Galen Erso.

[00:30:11] Yeah.

[00:30:12] That's Mickelson.

[00:30:13] Who is the father of Jen Erso?

[00:30:14] Yeah, and who is a scientist

[00:30:16] who was working with him on this,

[00:30:18] you know, weapon, the Death Star.

[00:30:20] You get the sense that he's sort of

[00:30:22] the Albert Einstein to this...

[00:30:24] Yeah, or the Oppenheimer, whatever.

[00:30:26] You know, like the, yeah,

[00:30:27] this sort of great scientist

[00:30:29] roped into, you know,

[00:30:31] the military, the military industrial complex.

[00:30:33] Right.

[00:30:34] And he started getting these reservations

[00:30:35] about what was going to happen with the Death Star

[00:30:37] and sort of backed away.

[00:30:38] I like this opening because it is

[00:30:40] using a lot of tropes

[00:30:42] that we're familiar with in Star Wars,

[00:30:43] because even...

[00:30:44] I mean, they talk about him being a moisture farmer,

[00:30:46] but also the sort of pillars

[00:30:48] in the background

[00:30:49] are very reminiscent of

[00:30:51] Luke's home in Tatooine

[00:30:53] in the original Star Wars,

[00:30:54] which I only call Star Wars.

[00:30:56] Of course.

[00:30:57] And it feels like this is the scene

[00:30:59] we didn't get to see

[00:31:01] with Uncle Owen and Amber root

[00:31:02] when the stormtroopers come,

[00:31:03] you know, and look for them.

[00:31:05] Sure.

[00:31:06] It's like an upsetting inversion where it's like,

[00:31:08] okay, now we're seeing this through a child's eyes of...

[00:31:10] Right.

[00:31:11] You thought you were safe,

[00:31:12] you're in the middle of nowhere,

[00:31:13] you're hidden away,

[00:31:14] and now the Empire comes to you.

[00:31:15] Because little Jinn is there.

[00:31:16] Right.

[00:31:17] And yeah, so they kill his wife.

[00:31:19] When she tries to...

[00:31:20] She tries to shoot Orson,

[00:31:22] and she does shoot Orson, I guess,

[00:31:24] but they kill her,

[00:31:25] and Orson does not die.

[00:31:26] They capture Galen,

[00:31:28] and Jinn runs away

[00:31:30] and hides in a little hidey hole.

[00:31:32] And then she's eventually rescued

[00:31:34] by Faris Whitaker.

[00:31:35] Playing Saw Gerrera,

[00:31:37] but they don't pronounce it Saw.

[00:31:38] Saw Gerrera.

[00:31:39] Don't they say like,

[00:31:40] Sea Gerrera or something?

[00:31:41] No, Saw.

[00:31:42] I kept on thinking the way they pronounced it was weird.

[00:31:43] They just say Saw.

[00:31:44] Saw Gerrera.

[00:31:45] Yeah, he plays Saw Gerrera,

[00:31:46] who's a character from the Clone Wars cartoons,

[00:31:48] but I've never watched those.

[00:31:50] I've only dabbled.

[00:31:52] He's a militant from this Clone Wars cartoon.

[00:31:55] He's not a huge character.

[00:31:56] He's only in a couple episodes.

[00:31:57] He's got a little arc,

[00:31:58] and they revived this character older,

[00:32:00] you know, obviously,

[00:32:01] because this is set years later.

[00:32:02] Right.

[00:32:03] This is set essentially

[00:32:05] when Star Wars is set.

[00:32:07] It's set like in the,

[00:32:08] I mean not this scene,

[00:32:09] but most of the movie is set in the weeks before Star Wars.

[00:32:11] Once we get past the prologue, yes.

[00:32:12] Yeah, it takes place literally weeks before Star Wars.

[00:32:14] So this is, I guess this is 15 years ago,

[00:32:16] you know, the opening sequence.

[00:32:18] So it's set in the middle of the empire, basically.

[00:32:20] Like right there in the middle.

[00:32:22] Great looking character.

[00:32:23] Performance I really like.

[00:32:25] Wait, which, who would, oh.

[00:32:26] Faris Whitaker, Saw Gerrera.

[00:32:28] Great looking.

[00:32:29] Yeah.

[00:32:30] You like the performance?

[00:32:31] I like the performance.

[00:32:32] He's doing a lot.

[00:32:33] He's got a high voice.

[00:32:34] He's doing a lot.

[00:32:35] I mean, Faris Whitaker this year with the voices.

[00:32:37] Yeah.

[00:32:38] Because he had his quote,

[00:32:40] Boston and quote accent in arrival.

[00:32:42] That was a weird accent.

[00:32:44] Yeah.

[00:32:45] Like in a movie about communication,

[00:32:47] you were like this accent is what he's decided

[00:32:49] to communicate with?

[00:32:50] Yeah, I mean,

[00:32:51] Faris Whitaker's a really interesting screen presence.

[00:32:53] I love him.

[00:32:54] Because he's simultaneously very understated

[00:32:56] and very overstated at the same time.

[00:32:58] Right.

[00:32:59] Well, and also literally no one on earth

[00:33:01] in the entire world and the history of humanity

[00:33:04] looks like Faris Whitaker.

[00:33:05] No.

[00:33:06] He's got a very unique look.

[00:33:07] He's got these, you know, the lazy eye.

[00:33:09] Yeah.

[00:33:10] And also like this very sort of odd gate.

[00:33:12] Like everything about him,

[00:33:13] you're like there is Faris Whitaker

[00:33:15] a mile away you could point him out.

[00:33:17] And he also like, you know,

[00:33:18] he used to be a bigger guy

[00:33:19] and he's lost a lot of weight in recent years.

[00:33:21] He has, although he's still sort of big.

[00:33:23] Like he's imposing.

[00:33:24] Yeah, but it makes his head

[00:33:25] even more interesting.

[00:33:26] He's got a great head.

[00:33:27] Yeah.

[00:33:28] What, I mean, I have always loved Faris Whitaker.

[00:33:30] Like even as a kid, I knew who he was.

[00:33:32] Yeah.

[00:33:33] And I liked his name

[00:33:34] like cause his name is Faris.

[00:33:35] Amazing name.

[00:33:36] Which is a great name.

[00:33:37] Whitaker, what a good last name.

[00:33:38] Great name.

[00:33:39] Yeah.

[00:33:40] Love you, Faris Whitaker.

[00:33:41] But he's got that thing.

[00:33:42] I mean, I think he's,

[00:33:43] I think Forrest Whitaker

[00:33:45] is the better execution

[00:33:47] of the Eddie Redmayne thing

[00:33:49] where it's like...

[00:33:50] Eddie Redmayne in Jupiter Ascending?

[00:33:53] In everything but Jupiter Ascending.

[00:33:55] Eddie Redmayne in like Fantastic Beasts or something?

[00:33:57] I think what both of them excel in

[00:33:59] is, or what both of them attempt to do is

[00:34:01] very over the top understatement.

[00:34:05] Okay.

[00:34:06] So they're both kind of quiet and whispery

[00:34:08] and they're like close-up actors.

[00:34:10] So how's he got a high voice though?

[00:34:12] Well that's what I like about...

[00:34:13] Secrets!

[00:34:14] The thing though too about him

[00:34:16] and I don't know,

[00:34:18] it's kind of tiptoeing into grievous territory

[00:34:21] a little bit with like sort of

[00:34:23] the scratchiness of his voice.

[00:34:24] And he's got the weird breathing mask on.

[00:34:26] Well when we see him later

[00:34:28] his hair's grown out.

[00:34:30] And yeah, he's almost Vader-esque.

[00:34:32] He has two robot feet.

[00:34:34] He has robot feet, he's got a breathing mask

[00:34:36] that's attached to his big robot torso.

[00:34:39] He's like the Goodwill version of Darth Vader.

[00:34:42] Exactly, he's a junky version.

[00:34:44] They've had to replace him piece by piece

[00:34:46] rather than a full body overhaul.

[00:34:48] And I think intentionally, and I picked up in both times

[00:34:50] especially the second time,

[00:34:51] when he sucks on his respirator

[00:34:53] and it makes a Darth Vader noise

[00:34:55] you see in Riz Ahmed's face

[00:34:57] like, uh, like, eugh.

[00:34:59] So there's obviously, I think it's an intentional

[00:35:01] Darth Vader drop there.

[00:35:03] I think so too and I love that like,

[00:35:04] okay so Darth Vader's like fucked up

[00:35:06] and they put all this shit on him

[00:35:07] and it ends up with him having the

[00:35:09] deepest, most intimidating voice in the universe.

[00:35:11] Sure right.

[00:35:12] Which is very different from

[00:35:14] Hayden Christiansen's kind of nasal whine.

[00:35:16] Very true.

[00:35:17] Which Jake Lloyd had as well.

[00:35:18] And then you get to this movie

[00:35:20] and it's like Forrest Whitaker

[00:35:21] who has a range of voices

[00:35:22] but is known for being like

[00:35:24] a very powerful voice.

[00:35:25] Yeah he's got a baritone.

[00:35:26] Right.

[00:35:27] And this suddenly has this like crushed wind pipe

[00:35:29] and he's like,

[00:35:30] What would I do?

[00:35:32] He's, he's given it all.

[00:35:34] But he's like the inverse of Darth Vader

[00:35:35] in every sense.

[00:35:36] I get you.

[00:35:37] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:35:38] Um, what do you think of,

[00:35:40] I mean, I guess there's like

[00:35:43] there is other stuff

[00:35:45] in between Jin as a kid

[00:35:48] and Jin reuniting with

[00:35:50] Saw Gerrera but we, like

[00:35:52] since Saw Gerrera's scenes are pretty

[00:35:54] concentrated at the beginning of the movie

[00:35:55] we could just wrap up Saw Gerrera's stuff right now.

[00:35:57] I think it'll bridge the gap.

[00:35:59] I mean that,

[00:36:00] you know she runs away,

[00:36:01] Saw Gerrera finds her Rogue One,

[00:36:03] there's the title,

[00:36:04] Ben pumps his fists.

[00:36:05] Yeah, he's like fucking awesome.

[00:36:06] Classic yellow script.

[00:36:08] Right.

[00:36:09] But just as Rogue One.

[00:36:10] And just a smash like title.

[00:36:12] And then we go to,

[00:36:13] you know 15 years later

[00:36:14] whatever, Felicity Jones,

[00:36:16] Jin or so,

[00:36:17] now grown up is in like

[00:36:19] a cell with a bunch of other weird aliens.

[00:36:21] Uh, yeah and I should,

[00:36:23] we should note this is a movie,

[00:36:25] especially the beginning it's cutting

[00:36:26] between a lot of like locations

[00:36:28] in space is giving you title cards

[00:36:30] and explaining what they are

[00:36:32] in the title cards to all.

[00:36:33] This is all new for Star Wars.

[00:36:34] It's moving very fast.

[00:36:36] Yeah.

[00:36:37] It's definitely got a different kind of rhythm

[00:36:40] than most Star Wars movies.

[00:36:41] Yes, because it's about all these

[00:36:43] links in the chain that have to kind of get united.

[00:36:45] So you know instead of just

[00:36:47] the old Star Wars movies,

[00:36:49] especially the Lucas originals

[00:36:52] less so like Force Awakens

[00:36:54] the later ones, but it's like

[00:36:56] in the original Star Wars,

[00:36:58] there are the plans.

[00:36:59] Yeah.

[00:37:00] And you just follow the plans

[00:37:01] like they go into R2,

[00:37:03] then you're with R2, you know,

[00:37:04] and then you follow R2 down to the ship

[00:37:06] with C3PO and then there's

[00:37:08] robots walking around for a while.

[00:37:09] I mean no one's ever going to

[00:37:10] make that movie again, right?

[00:37:11] That's just 15 minutes of robots

[00:37:13] walking around talking to each other

[00:37:14] in the desert.

[00:37:15] I know.

[00:37:16] Of course it's the greatest.

[00:37:17] Yeah.

[00:37:18] But then the plan is up and up

[00:37:19] with Luke and then you're following,

[00:37:20] you know like it's,

[00:37:21] you're really just following one thing

[00:37:23] through many, you know, different plots.

[00:37:25] Right.

[00:37:26] Well I don't even know if we're going to get

[00:37:27] a Dexter Jets scene ever again.

[00:37:29] You know like that even the prequels

[00:37:31] are still more methodical

[00:37:33] and that they were like pretty concentrated narratives.

[00:37:35] Right.

[00:37:36] Well and of course, yeah,

[00:37:37] Attack of the Clones which you're referencing

[00:37:38] that has the two narratives

[00:37:40] but it's trying to be like a mystery.

[00:37:41] Right.

[00:37:42] But it's like the way he like.

[00:37:43] A great pot boiler.

[00:37:44] The way he solves the mystery is by having

[00:37:46] to have like eight different conversations

[00:37:48] with people that are each long,

[00:37:49] you know and are not set pieces,

[00:37:51] are not action sequences.

[00:37:53] Right.

[00:37:54] This movie isn't really concerned with any of that

[00:37:56] but we're setting up kind of the different

[00:37:57] parallel narratives of okay who are all the people.

[00:37:59] We have Booty Rook which is a lot of fun to say.

[00:38:03] Yeah.

[00:38:04] Booty Rook.

[00:38:05] Yeah so we've got, yeah,

[00:38:06] we've got Jinn in jail or in space,

[00:38:08] in like a space chain gang.

[00:38:10] Yeah.

[00:38:11] You know on some rocky planet.

[00:38:12] Right.

[00:38:13] You've got Booty who has come to Jeddah

[00:38:15] which is where Saw Gerrera makes his home.

[00:38:17] Which was previously the planet of the Jedi?

[00:38:19] It's a planet with a Jedi temple

[00:38:21] and you see that big Jedi structure

[00:38:24] that's been toppled.

[00:38:25] Look kind of like Obi-Wan, bearded guy with a hunch.

[00:38:27] Yeah but well it's a Jedi.

[00:38:28] I mean look, let's be honest.

[00:38:30] Those guys didn't exactly like vary their fashion choices.

[00:38:33] Tell that to Kifista.

[00:38:35] Well that's true.

[00:38:36] An important element of the planet is that the crystals

[00:38:40] that the Jedi use for their lightsabers

[00:38:42] are being mined to basically arm the Death Star.

[00:38:46] Yeah, and I think they're called kyber crystals.

[00:38:48] And I forget if this had been established in

[00:38:51] nerdy Star Wars extended canon before.

[00:38:53] It's a big part of Rebels I know.

[00:38:55] And certainly Clone Wars.

[00:38:56] It's never been part of the movies before

[00:38:58] but it's been part of the mythos for a long time.

[00:39:00] We've known that you need a crystal like

[00:39:02] if you're a nephro Star Wars nerd to make a lightsaber right?

[00:39:04] We've never had a movie talking about kyber crystals this much.

[00:39:07] But yeah so Jeddah which is another tattooing

[00:39:10] another deserty place

[00:39:12] but it's got crystals this one.

[00:39:14] Saw Gerrera is hanging out there.

[00:39:15] Big broken statue.

[00:39:16] It's a flash point in the Galactic Civil War

[00:39:19] so there's like a very tense place

[00:39:22] and Bodhi has arrived there.

[00:39:23] He's defected from the Imperial Empire

[00:39:26] to give information to Saw Gerrera

[00:39:29] and so we see some of this.

[00:39:31] Yes.

[00:39:32] And then in our third string I guess

[00:39:34] it's a what's his pants?

[00:39:35] Cassian Endor.

[00:39:36] Cassian Endor.

[00:39:37] And K, he calls him K but K2SO right?

[00:39:39] K2SO.

[00:39:40] They call him K2.

[00:39:41] The breakout character of the film.

[00:39:43] Yeah.

[00:39:44] Yeah I think that's fair to say right?

[00:39:46] I mean he's gonna be the fan favorite.

[00:39:48] So funny.

[00:39:49] Fans will love him.

[00:39:50] Yeah.

[00:39:51] So Cassian Endor is played by Diego Luna.

[00:39:52] A very pretty man.

[00:39:53] Oh so he's, and he's one of those guys

[00:39:56] who the more you fuck him up the prettier he gets.

[00:39:59] You know what I mean?

[00:40:00] I like him dirty.

[00:40:01] Which is interesting because he does have such delicate features.

[00:40:04] He does.

[00:40:05] That one would almost think.

[00:40:06] And he's slight.

[00:40:07] He's kind of a small guy.

[00:40:08] Right he's not like a rugged like fucking Kevin Costner

[00:40:10] where it's like well of course you put a beard on that guy

[00:40:12] he's gonna look really you know fucking masculine.

[00:40:15] Right.

[00:40:16] You know?

[00:40:17] Like you put some scrub on him and you put him in dirt

[00:40:19] and it's like still just pretty beautiful eyes.

[00:40:21] I just love that the two cute boys from Eat To Mama Tambien

[00:40:24] who made out all the way back in 2002

[00:40:27] are still just like both getting work

[00:40:29] in like big movies and making their

[00:40:31] you know more indie movies and artier movies.

[00:40:34] Diego Luna is like directed I think one of two films himself.

[00:40:36] He just seems like a really sweet guy.

[00:40:38] I'd marry him.

[00:40:39] I'd marry him.

[00:40:40] I'd totally marry him.

[00:40:41] He's like directed three movies.

[00:40:42] There you go.

[00:40:43] He made Cesar Chavez which was not a hit unfortunately

[00:40:46] but a big biopic with Michael Pena.

[00:40:49] He made a movie that my mom loved

[00:40:51] that was about a little boy.

[00:40:53] Was it called Able?

[00:40:55] Yes it is.

[00:40:56] And I was at a film festival where that was playing

[00:40:59] and at the restaurant he was sitting there

[00:41:02] at the table next to us with the boy and his parents.

[00:41:05] Sure.

[00:41:06] It's like child actor he had in a movie.

[00:41:08] And I was just like you know how you can really

[00:41:11] test people's metal by how well they deal with kids?

[00:41:13] Sure.

[00:41:14] Because he kind of can't bullshit a kid.

[00:41:16] I was just like this is a dude who's like a movie star

[00:41:18] dealing with like a child actor who clearly isn't like

[00:41:21] you know a stage kid.

[00:41:23] Right.

[00:41:24] And it was like oh he's like actually dealing with this

[00:41:26] kid as a person and brought him to this festival

[00:41:28] but is really trying to engage with him

[00:41:29] as close to the parents and I was just like

[00:41:30] this seems like a really good person.

[00:41:32] That's great.

[00:41:33] So Diego Luna how do you feel about Cassie and Andor?

[00:41:35] Not a character.

[00:41:36] Fair enough.

[00:41:37] So Cassie and Andor is an intelligence officer.

[00:41:39] I loved watching him in this movie.

[00:41:40] He looked cool.

[00:41:41] He has great outfits.

[00:41:42] I don't think there's a character there.

[00:41:43] Well the character is pretty broad

[00:41:45] and the idea is he is...

[00:41:47] Rebel slumber.

[00:41:48] He's a rebel.

[00:41:49] No he's like a spy so he's had to do some bad things.

[00:41:52] You see him do a bad thing in his first scene

[00:41:54] where he kills an informant.

[00:41:56] Yeah.

[00:41:57] Basically just silencing the informant

[00:41:58] and then escapes and the informant

[00:42:00] has given him this news that there's a defector

[00:42:02] going to Saw Gerrera with some news

[00:42:04] of a planet killing weapon

[00:42:06] and so you know Cassie gets a couple more scenes

[00:42:09] where he sort of you know he espouses on this idea

[00:42:14] that like you know the rebel for the rebel lines

[00:42:16] he's had to do lots of bad shit

[00:42:17] and he wants to do some good shit

[00:42:19] and that's about the extent of his character.

[00:42:22] I would say.

[00:42:23] Yeah I don't...

[00:42:24] He's also like the guy in charge

[00:42:25] so he sort of you know bosses people around

[00:42:27] and gives his position and stuff like that.

[00:42:29] Yeah he's the expert of the team

[00:42:30] so he's the guy who knows what they need to do

[00:42:32] and how he did.

[00:42:33] And I would say Diego Luna projects that all very nicely

[00:42:35] with the expertise and the kind of like

[00:42:37] you know that sort of an attitude.

[00:42:39] And I think with a pretty

[00:42:43] quietly atypical portrayal of masculine

[00:42:47] dominance for a movie like this.

[00:42:50] Yes he's very restrained.

[00:42:52] He's like I said he's kind of physically slight

[00:42:54] but he's you still believe in his kind of

[00:42:57] general you know skills

[00:42:59] and fighting expertise.

[00:43:00] He doesn't try to lower his pitch.

[00:43:02] He doesn't yell.

[00:43:03] Yeah I mean he's pretty gentle.

[00:43:04] See this isn't just playing a little

[00:43:06] delicate wind instrument.

[00:43:08] There was some dumb review that was circulating

[00:43:11] around where...

[00:43:12] I hate dumb reviews.

[00:43:13] I hate it.

[00:43:15] Let's be very clear in the show.

[00:43:16] No bits, prosmiths, anti-dumb reviews.

[00:43:19] Great.

[00:43:20] They were saying that like a thing

[00:43:23] that doesn't work in this movie is the film

[00:43:25] is not given a traditional masculine hero.

[00:43:28] Which is the most annoying thing in the world.

[00:43:30] That was in The Hollywood Reporter.

[00:43:31] It was essentially saying like oh yeah

[00:43:33] this film really lacks a masculine hero.

[00:43:35] And I wanted to be like yo you ever met Luke

[00:43:38] and or Anakin Skywalker because those guys

[00:43:40] are kind of pretty babies.

[00:43:42] Also all but one of the primary characters

[00:43:44] in this film is male.

[00:43:46] Yeah no they're all men except for Jim.

[00:43:48] I mean Mon Moffama is a sort of semi

[00:43:51] important character.

[00:43:52] But yeah.

[00:43:54] And I like that about the movie

[00:43:57] that they're not hiring typical

[00:44:01] leading men for an action film.

[00:44:04] Not at all, not any of these characters.

[00:44:06] And the actors they're hiring,

[00:44:07] they're not pushing them to try to play

[00:44:09] more out of type from what they usually do.

[00:44:10] They hired everyone to do the thing they're good at doing.

[00:44:12] They're all great.

[00:44:13] Yes.

[00:44:14] Now I normally like it big but I will say that

[00:44:16] I was glad that we don't have any big

[00:44:18] Vin Diesel-esque guys that would have just been distracting.

[00:44:21] K2 is pretty tall.

[00:44:23] Well actually but that's also unusual.

[00:44:26] That's the first time we've seen in these kinds of movies

[00:44:28] a droid who is not either a little garbage can on wheels

[00:44:32] some variation of garbage can on wheels

[00:44:35] or kind of like in a feet butler man

[00:44:37] who's like well excuse me!

[00:44:40] Essentially he's not bulky but he's large,

[00:44:44] he's tall and he can bonk you on the head.

[00:44:48] He's got bonk powers.

[00:44:49] He's got donkey kong arms.

[00:44:51] He's got long, that's true.

[00:44:53] They're kind of like gorilla arms.

[00:44:55] I love that he had this.

[00:44:56] He kind of walks shaggy from Scooby Doo.

[00:44:59] He's got this slouchy posture, this weird build.

[00:45:02] He's played by Alan Tudyk who's great.

[00:45:04] Wouldn't you say a sense of humor is like a robot sense of humor would be?

[00:45:10] Yes.

[00:45:11] He doesn't really have a sense of humor

[00:45:13] but he has a completely unfiltered approach to dialogue

[00:45:17] which is funny.

[00:45:18] He's the Drax of this movie.

[00:45:19] Yeah he's like Drax.

[00:45:20] It's a similar game to Drax where it's like

[00:45:22] this guy understands the concept of humor

[00:45:24] and he's not personable but doesn't have any personable thoughts in his head.

[00:45:28] Yes.

[00:45:29] He's trying to relate to people in the way he knows them.

[00:45:31] I would say Alan Tudyk is very good.

[00:45:33] And Alan Tudyk really, shout out to Alan Tudyk.

[00:45:35] You never know it's him.

[00:45:36] No.

[00:45:37] I mean obviously you know because he's in the credits and stuff

[00:45:39] but his voices are always different.

[00:45:41] Yeah.

[00:45:42] He always gives a different, like a nuanced vocal performance

[00:45:45] except for, you know what I'm going to say right now.

[00:45:48] You know what I'm going to say right?

[00:45:50] You know what I'm going to say?

[00:45:51] I mean I want to try to call it.

[00:45:53] What do you say?

[00:45:54] I did not murder him.

[00:45:55] Oh yes.

[00:45:56] That's my favorite.

[00:45:57] No what are you, we need to be thinking about it.

[00:45:59] Second time he's played a gentle robot.

[00:46:01] No I-

[00:46:02] You think you're going to have a wrecking Ralph?

[00:46:04] Because he's pretty over the top in that one.

[00:46:06] Well he's amazing in that.

[00:46:07] He also plays the chicken in Moana.

[00:46:09] Do you know that?

[00:46:10] Yeah I do.

[00:46:11] I know isn't that funny?

[00:46:12] Because they've decided, Disney has decided that like Alan Tudyk is their John Ratsenberger.

[00:46:16] And they were like, we don't really know where to place you in Moana because

[00:46:19] you know we want a Pacific Island cast.

[00:46:22] Like we don't want to hire white people to play these characters.

[00:46:24] There's a chicken and I watched-

[00:46:26] Oh the chicken does his squawk by the way, doesn't talk.

[00:46:29] I watched B-roll of him recording the chicken and he was like it's tough because it's just like you're trying to find different things in the squawks.

[00:46:35] He took it like very seriously.

[00:46:37] He's great man.

[00:46:38] He's great.

[00:46:39] Great actor.

[00:46:40] A fun character.

[00:46:41] Was he on set?

[00:46:42] I think he was on set.

[00:46:43] He was.

[00:46:44] He was on set.

[00:46:45] This was an motion capture performance.

[00:46:46] Even though it's a robot with eyes.

[00:46:48] The only thing that's expressive about the robot is his eyes.

[00:46:51] Yeah and he was on set the whole time.

[00:46:53] And then-

[00:46:54] His movement is very particular like you say.

[00:46:57] He's a great physical actor.

[00:46:58] There is something about the robot just kind of standing there all lanky and weird and then just suddenly going like bonk.

[00:47:03] Well and Mr. I Did Not Murder Him was like one of the first-

[00:47:05] I Did Not Murder Him!

[00:47:07] That was one of the first mainstream mocap performances.

[00:47:10] It was like sort of right after Gollum.

[00:47:12] And people were talking about it like ooh and everyone I think was like forget it, come on.

[00:47:16] But he's really good at that.

[00:47:17] He is except for I Did Not Murder Him.

[00:47:19] Yeah.

[00:47:20] But anyway yeah.

[00:47:21] Okay so that's the main group of people that we're sort of introduced to.

[00:47:24] What movie are you guys talking about?

[00:47:25] I Rub It.

[00:47:26] I Rub It Please.

[00:47:27] Okay.

[00:47:28] And then-

[00:47:30] Wait so what?

[00:47:31] How do Cassian and Jane end up together again?

[00:47:35] Cassian, well they break her out of her jail.

[00:47:38] Right.

[00:47:39] She gets broken out of the chain gang and she's trying to escape and K2SO grabs her, throws her to the ground and says congratulations you've been rescued.

[00:47:45] Yes.

[00:47:46] Which is funny.

[00:47:47] Yeah it's funny.

[00:47:48] So we're in the end of Yavin 4.

[00:47:49] Uh huh.

[00:47:50] Which is we've seen before.

[00:47:51] Familiar planet.

[00:47:52] Yeah that's the planet where the Battle of Yavin into the end of Star Wars takes place.

[00:47:56] And that's where she meets Mon Mothma.

[00:47:59] Which shout out what's her?

[00:48:01] Genevieve O'Reilly.

[00:48:02] Genevieve O'Reilly.

[00:48:03] The same actress who played Mon Mothma in the deleted scenes of Revenge of the Sith.

[00:48:07] You do see her in Revenge of the Sith but she has no words.

[00:48:09] Yes.

[00:48:10] But she shot a lot of footage that was cut.

[00:48:12] But we did address in great detail on her deleted scenes episode.

[00:48:16] There was an action figure made of her which no one bought because she was no longer in the movie other than as a background lady with a nice dress.

[00:48:21] Yes.

[00:48:22] But I do like that, and it's funny because we're going to talk about Tarkin in a second.

[00:48:27] I mean obviously he's dead.

[00:48:28] But nonetheless I do like the, because Revenge of the Sith is 11 years old at this point.

[00:48:33] Correct.

[00:48:34] So yes okay.

[00:48:36] Mon Mothma has aged more than 11 years since Revenge of the Sith.

[00:48:40] Fine.

[00:48:41] But 11 years is still pretty, it's like that's a nice gift you're getting.

[00:48:45] Yeah.

[00:48:46] The actress has aged 11 years, you know and like that's pretty good.

[00:48:49] You can just throw her back in there.

[00:48:50] Yeah it's pretty cool.

[00:48:51] She's playing the same person.

[00:48:52] It's pretty fucking cool.

[00:48:53] And you know what?

[00:48:54] She's excellent.

[00:48:55] She's really good.

[00:48:56] She's very like quiet and very authoritarian with like kind of like the original Mon Mothma.

[00:49:00] But maybe even better.

[00:49:01] I think she adds more layers and nuances of it.

[00:49:03] Many Botans died.

[00:49:04] Yeah.

[00:49:05] Yeah I read an interview with that original actress once and when she was like I didn't

[00:49:10] know what a Botan was but I knew it was sad.

[00:49:12] She was just like handed some piece of paper you know.

[00:49:15] Say many Botans died.

[00:49:16] So the mission becomes you know they need Gennar so they want to find Galen Arso.

[00:49:23] They want to find Galen Arso because all they know is he's part of some super weapon being

[00:49:28] designed, some planet killer.

[00:49:30] Right.

[00:49:31] And they're told like and Gens obviously there it's like you know like apparently

[00:49:34] this is with Saw Gerrera, Gens knows Saw Gerrera.

[00:49:37] You're going to go there, you're going to find Galen and then on the side Cassians

[00:49:40] told you got to kill Gennar.

[00:49:41] Yeah kill him on sight.

[00:49:43] Wanted dead or dead.

[00:49:45] Yeah with extreme prejudice essentially.

[00:49:47] This is bad that I can't remember what happens next in the movie and I saw it last night.

[00:49:51] What are you doing?

[00:49:52] Okay so what's the next series of how did they end up with Baze and Sherrod Emwy?

[00:49:56] Well I should say that we're cutting you know during this we're also cutting over

[00:50:00] to Saw Gerrera a couple times who is interrogating Bodhi.

[00:50:04] Bodhi Rook.

[00:50:05] He has a big tentacle monster, tentacle is head to make sure that he's not

[00:50:10] lying there's a tentacle monster scene.

[00:50:12] Sure.

[00:50:13] Bodhi Rook.

[00:50:14] Yes what were you going to say about the tentacle monster?

[00:50:15] What did you think of the tentacle monster?

[00:50:17] Cool good performance like it hard pass.

[00:50:20] Hard pass on meeting the tentacle monster or?

[00:50:22] No in performance review I'm saying.

[00:50:24] Oh a pass oh yeah we all do a performance review PS.

[00:50:27] Sure and Bodhi Rook we should mention played by Riz Ahmed great actor.

[00:50:31] Yeah Riz Ahmed a great up and coming young British rapper slash actor.

[00:50:35] Yeah it was so cute.

[00:50:36] Yeah who you know best as a Griffey award nominee for Nightcrawler best

[00:50:41] supporting actor.

[00:50:42] Which I thought he was okay and but you know what I love him in for Lions.

[00:50:45] Yeah I think he's phenomenal in Nightcrawler.

[00:50:47] I think he is good but I don't like that movie so that was a problem.

[00:50:51] Interesting okay.

[00:50:52] Nightcrawler we should say directed by the editor of this movie?

[00:50:56] No see that's yet another Gilroy.

[00:50:59] There's too many Gilroy's.

[00:51:00] The editor of this movie is John Gilroy.

[00:51:02] But that's Dan Gilroy who made Nightcrawler.

[00:51:05] Are they all related?

[00:51:07] I think they have to be.

[00:51:08] I know Dan and Tony are definitely.

[00:51:10] I have to imagine Tony getting screenwriting credit on it.

[00:51:13] Yes they're all the son of Frank Gilroy a Pulitzer Prize winning play writer.

[00:51:18] Interesting.

[00:51:19] He wasn't a Pulitzer prize winning play which I almost said.

[00:51:22] He wrote The Subject Was Roses.

[00:51:24] Their father was Anna in the tropics.

[00:51:26] The Pulitzer prize winning play.

[00:51:29] Oh boy.

[00:51:30] There was also a female Gilroy in the uncredited who I noted was

[00:51:34] worked in the art department.

[00:51:35] Well this may not that might be a different Gilroy because all he's listed is having three sons.

[00:51:39] But she might be married to one of the three boys.

[00:51:42] Let's not get into Marshall Lucas territory so early.

[00:51:45] All right anyway so Rich Zuckman so what I was saying is we're cutting between these two things

[00:51:51] and then you've got the little team which is Cassian Jenner so K2SO is that it?

[00:51:57] It's just the three at that point yeah right they get on their ship they go to Jeddah

[00:52:01] which is where Saw Gerrera is.

[00:52:03] They're in the city of Jeddah and it's when they're walking around there that they meet

[00:52:08] the guardian of the wills like the blind master of the Jedi temple.

[00:52:14] Oh right he feels her.

[00:52:15] Yeah he feels her because she's wearing a kyber crystal.

[00:52:17] Right he senses it.

[00:52:18] Yeah because his dad gave her a little kyber crystal before she ran away.

[00:52:22] Yeah now this character I find very interesting because this feels like

[00:52:26] Cherut Imwe.

[00:52:27] Yes.

[00:52:28] Played by Donnie Yen.

[00:52:29] Yes.

[00:52:30] And this character is of course a legend of Hong Kong like action cinema.

[00:52:34] Yep man.

[00:52:35] Yes and many of them I mean like how old do you think he is?

[00:52:39] How do I think Donnie Yen is?

[00:52:40] Yeah.

[00:52:41] 52.

[00:52:42] Oh he's 53 that's really good.

[00:52:43] I'm good at this.

[00:52:44] He's been around forever.

[00:52:45] He's hot.

[00:52:46] Yeah.

[00:52:47] He's stacked.

[00:52:49] Yeah out of movies he always has like a teen bob haircut.

[00:52:54] He's got he's yeah I don't know he's awesome.

[00:52:58] He's been around I mean he's mostly in Hong Kong movies.

[00:53:00] He's playing the villain Triple X the Return of Xander Cage.

[00:53:04] Can I say something about that movie?

[00:53:06] Yeah.

[00:53:07] Looks really bad.

[00:53:08] I agree.

[00:53:09] Isn't that a bummer?

[00:53:10] It's a bummer.

[00:53:11] But you know what Triple X was never good.

[00:53:12] No.

[00:53:13] Cause Triple X is really bad.

[00:53:14] Yeah.

[00:53:15] Like really bad.

[00:53:16] Yeah.

[00:53:17] And you know what I didn't think Triple X the Return of Xander Cage was gonna do?

[00:53:19] Be bad.

[00:53:20] No double down on like the extreme sports angle.

[00:53:23] Yeah.

[00:53:24] Because like it's 2016.

[00:53:26] Yeah.

[00:53:27] Also this is your quick reminder as I always like to point out but somehow forgot to point

[00:53:31] out in the Saving Private Ryan episode where they both appear on screen together.

[00:53:35] Paul Giamatti and Vin Diesel are the exact same age.

[00:53:38] So just imagine Paul Giamatti doing a film that focused on extreme sports doing all those stunts.

[00:53:44] So when you say extreme sports like they're gonna skateboard?

[00:53:47] It's like fucking not even like longboarding and like street looging and shit like that.

[00:53:52] Yeah right that's the thing they've dug deep to like to get some new extreme sports.

[00:53:56] Like parkour though.

[00:53:57] No not even.

[00:53:58] Vin Diesel's too big to parkour.

[00:54:01] Vin Diesel can't really move.

[00:54:02] He's not really someone who can like jump in the air.

[00:54:05] There's a reason all of Vin Diesel's franchises are based around putting wheels on him.

[00:54:09] Yeah he needs to be seated.

[00:54:10] Like he jumps through the wall.

[00:54:12] But he doesn't grab the wall.

[00:54:13] He can even be standing on something with wheels.

[00:54:15] I guess so.

[00:54:16] He just can't really walk.

[00:54:17] Anyway, so Donnie Yen.

[00:54:20] He's great.

[00:54:21] I'm gonna make a movie where Vin Diesel's on a lazy Susan the whole time.

[00:54:26] It's gonna be a drama where we just have to spin Vin Diesel around.

[00:54:30] And it's called Lazy Susan?

[00:54:32] Yeah that's good, that's good.

[00:54:34] Is it a sequel to Lazy Susan?

[00:54:36] Lady Susan which is turned into Love and French?

[00:54:38] Yeah and it's a prequel to Lazy Sunday.

[00:54:40] Great.

[00:54:41] Thank you.

[00:54:42] We'll open ten comedy points.

[00:54:44] Alright why do you think Chirrut Imwe is an interesting character?

[00:54:49] This is the first movie we've seen without any Jedi's in it.

[00:54:53] Very true.

[00:54:54] As we are repeatedly told the Jedi are all dead.

[00:54:56] Right.

[00:54:57] Of course we know Obi-Wan and he's briefly mentioned, not by name.

[00:55:00] Right.

[00:55:01] But apart from that.

[00:55:02] We don't see a lightsaber ignited until the very end of the film.

[00:55:05] True.

[00:55:06] And it is by Mr. Bad himself Darth Vader.

[00:55:07] Right he is a Jedi technically or whatever he's a...

[00:55:09] Sure but he's a Sith now.

[00:55:10] Come on he's a fucking Sith Lord.

[00:55:12] Look I can't deny it.

[00:55:13] He gave us zero stars.

[00:55:14] He's a Sith Lord.

[00:55:15] I'm not happy about the fact that he's a Sith Lord.

[00:55:16] I'm not happy about it either.

[00:55:17] I wish he hadn't turned and murdered all those younglings.

[00:55:19] I think his fucking socks it blows.

[00:55:21] I think Order 66 was on balance a bad order.

[00:55:24] Yeah I think one of the worst.

[00:55:25] It's the worst one I can think of off the top of my head.

[00:55:28] Wait wait no I'm thinking off the top of my head.

[00:55:30] There was one time I ordered a Hawaiian pizza from Domino's that was cool.

[00:55:32] And what was your order number on that one?

[00:55:34] 24, 68, 17.

[00:55:37] Okay.

[00:55:40] So no Jedi in this film as you say but the closest thing we get is this guy.

[00:55:45] Right who's kind of...

[00:55:46] He's kind of force adjacent.

[00:55:48] Yes.

[00:55:49] He's a friend of the force.

[00:55:51] This force sensitive is the word they use when someone has the ability to sort of be a Jedi.

[00:55:56] Could be nurtured into being a Jedi right?

[00:55:58] Sure.

[00:55:59] But this guy is just kind of like force aware?

[00:56:01] Yeah there's probably a word for it because you know what the extended universes like

[00:56:07] they've got words for everything.

[00:56:08] Well and there's this sort of feeling to him like okay he's a blind man and we all know that

[00:56:12] you take away one sentence, the other ones get heightened right?

[00:56:16] Let me put it this way in D&D terms.

[00:56:18] If the Jedi are Paladins, he's a monk.

[00:56:21] Sure.

[00:56:22] You know what I mean?

[00:56:23] He's got some magic powers sort of like he's got a little bit of mojo but he's not...

[00:56:28] His power isn't derived literally through like channeling magic into his weapon.

[00:56:33] Well these are the two things I like about him and the monk analogy I think is interesting.

[00:56:37] Yes.

[00:56:38] I mean he's kind of like a monk.

[00:56:39] One is that if we're using this kind of Star Wars logic of like okay a blind man

[00:56:43] in our world has a heightened sense of hearing right?

[00:56:47] Of course yes it's playing into that a little bit.

[00:56:49] Right.

[00:56:50] Star Wars in their world the force is such a tangible thing that it almost is like

[00:56:55] that's another sense and if you were blind you would maybe be able to recognize

[00:56:59] and pick up on that.

[00:57:00] And if you train yourself exactly.

[00:57:01] You know in a way that others would ignore.

[00:57:04] The other thing is he's kind of a religious fanatic.

[00:57:09] A little bit.

[00:57:10] He's a follower.

[00:57:12] I would say that he's like the serious version of you know grandma glasses and

[00:57:18] Force Awakens.

[00:57:19] What the fuck is her name?

[00:57:20] Jesus Christ Lupita Nyong'o.

[00:57:22] Oh, Mass Canada.

[00:57:23] Mass Canada.

[00:57:24] Right because she's also someone who's not a Jedi but can see the force with her big

[00:57:28] glasses and he's someone who's not a Jedi but he can feel the force using his blind

[00:57:33] person powers.

[00:57:35] Here's the difference for me.

[00:57:36] I feel like Mass Canada is like a talent agent.

[00:57:39] Yeah right she's not religious.

[00:57:40] Right but she's like you just got something.

[00:57:41] I can see it.

[00:57:42] I got a good eye.

[00:57:43] That's a good call.

[00:57:44] She is like a talent agent.

[00:57:45] Right?

[00:57:46] Yeah.

[00:57:47] She's like what do you want to be doing?

[00:57:48] Sitcom stage, what's your priority?

[00:57:49] Right right she's like Peggy Siegel.

[00:57:50] Right she's Peggy Siegel.

[00:57:51] Who's not an agent I should say.

[00:57:53] No.

[00:57:54] But that's kind of what.

[00:57:55] You know they're going to do Mass Canada one woman show on Broadway

[00:57:59] played by Ben Midler.

[00:58:00] She's like Elaine Stritch.

[00:58:01] Elaine Stritch should have played her.

[00:58:03] If Elaine Stritch wasn't dead she would have been a great Mass Canada.

[00:58:06] Sue Manger's that was the one I was trying to think of.

[00:58:08] The Ben Midler play.

[00:58:09] Great reference.

[00:58:10] I'm sure Richard Lawson will love that one.

[00:58:13] Hi Richard.

[00:58:14] That's a joke for Richard.

[00:58:15] Maybe Bobby Fink.

[00:58:16] Bobby Fink.

[00:58:17] I'm pretty sure Bobby will like that one too.

[00:58:19] Bobby Richard and we're out.

[00:58:20] Esther could if she's listening.

[00:58:22] Esther might.

[00:58:23] Yeah only passing guests of this podcast will like that joke.

[00:58:26] I don't think Joe Reed will like that.

[00:58:28] Yeah Joe Reed will.

[00:58:29] Katie will definitely like it.

[00:58:30] Alright so shout out to all you guys.

[00:58:32] No it's great.

[00:58:34] John M. Y. is like a religious disciple.

[00:58:39] You know what I'm saying?

[00:58:40] Yeah.

[00:58:41] Like he's almost like a priest where he's like I am not claiming that I have the power

[00:58:45] of Christ within me.

[00:58:46] I live my life by the teachings of Christ in service of that trying to continue that

[00:58:52] on into the world right.

[00:58:54] And so it's the first time we've kind of seen how the force and the idea of the

[00:58:59] Jedi's affect lay people.

[00:59:01] And the force awakens there's this thing of like the Jedi's we've heard that was

[00:59:05] maybe a legend but it's like we know either from the beginning of that movie we know

[00:59:09] that either Finn or Rey are going to end up being a Jedi.

[00:59:12] We know the narrative this is going on and this is a movie where none of those

[00:59:14] people are in that these are lay people and it is like oh in this period of time

[00:59:19] after Order 66 has been executed after all the Jedi's are on the lamb

[00:59:24] and whatever someone like Sheridan way would just be like Jesus is going to

[00:59:27] return like this little bit powerful thing we can't lose sight of this.

[00:59:30] So and right and he's the guardian of a Jedi temple on this planet that has

[00:59:34] essentially been stripped mind right because all its crystals were taken away.

[00:59:38] Right and every so he's sort of a pathetic figure almost you know like in an

[00:59:43] in an in an admirable sort of way that people like an agnostic would go like

[00:59:47] this is fucking or not even agnostic and atheists would just like

[00:59:50] angrily be like Jesus isn't fucking real get over it God isn't real this

[00:59:54] universe is meaningless and he's just like so committed to this idea of the

[00:59:59] force you know right and the power it has that's the first time we've seen

[01:00:03] force through the force through like a lay person's eyes without immediately

[01:00:07] being confirmed that like this is a real thing come with me you're part of the system.

[01:00:11] I'm cool with that and I also want to kind of get really nerdy for a second.

[01:00:15] There's no this is the place to do it so I believe is it I think it's

[01:00:19] Cassian says he's a guardian of the wills or something that he uses the word

[01:00:23] wills yes w h i l l s and you know of course Star Wars was originally

[01:00:27] called like when George was first right it was Star Wars no

[01:00:31] it was called like the adventures of like Star Killer

[01:00:35] the Journal of the wills had like the most like laborious

[01:00:39] like fucking dorky name ever and the his original idea for Star Wars

[01:00:43] that is that you were reading the Journal of the wills who were like

[01:00:47] ancient scribes you know in the of the Jedi adventures

[01:00:51] and he wanted it to be like relayed like I mean look George Lucas is

[01:00:55] like fucking crackpot right let's be honest yeah but I like that they

[01:00:59] have brought that name back yeah I do too I like to sprinkle it on

[01:01:03] using every piece of the buffalo I mean they're definitely at this point even the

[01:01:07] buffalo spleen you know let's be honest it's not the the medius part

[01:01:11] right and people were angry when like Kathleen Candy took over and was like all that

[01:01:15] stuff is Star Wars legends none of it is canon anymore

[01:01:19] but it's just like she doesn't want to be tied down by those stories but she's already

[01:01:23] got some of the best references from extended universe stuff and reintegrating

[01:01:27] it into the main canon being like I'm gonna take what's necessary yeah don't worry

[01:01:31] yeah fucking I got you so cheer it in Ray in way and then he's got base Malbus

[01:01:35] who I think is the coolest looking character in the movie base Malbus is

[01:01:39] awesome and this guy's got a great fucking presence he's played by

[01:01:43] young when who's one of the greatest directors of Chinese cinema to ever

[01:01:47] which is interesting that it's like which is fantastic yeah I mean he also act

[01:01:51] first role he's director primarily well now he started out as an actor

[01:01:55] and then in the 90s he starts directing yeah at this point he's more of a

[01:01:59] director is that fair to say yes that is definitely fair to say I'm looking at

[01:02:03] his credit system and he's a big gun guy we should say yeah he's a big gun guy

[01:02:07] got a big gun I mean not young when I can't speak to his gun ownership but

[01:02:11] we're talking about base Malbus here sure and he's got a big gun that's like hooked up

[01:02:15] like a super soaker with like a big water tank on the back well it's like

[01:02:19] a ghostbuster setup he's got like a backpack connected to a big gun that he holds in his hand

[01:02:23] which I love he's like a fucking Star Wars ghost and he like shoots like I don't know

[01:02:27] just a better laser Star Wars always struggled with conveying

[01:02:31] power because everything everything shoots is kind of the same thing

[01:02:35] they all just shoot a red laser if we're gonna open up the floodgates this much

[01:02:39] I'd love a Star Wars story that's just explaining the hierarchy of lasers

[01:02:43] be like okay here's the number one best laser we've ever this is a great green why are they red

[01:02:47] I don't know why are they blue to look different yeah well the blue ones are ion weapons

[01:02:51] which which cause like electrical failures you see that in this one a little bit

[01:02:55] okay yeah um they

[01:02:59] meet the two of them and well so they meet them

[01:03:03] because he senses it and then a bunch of stormtroopers come out

[01:03:07] and Jinn and Kassian and K2 are trying to run away

[01:03:11] and sure it takes on all these stormtroopers

[01:03:15] wax them all with a big stick with a big stick and also which I think is even cooler

[01:03:19] he's kind of like getting out of the way and letting them shoot each other yeah that's pretty fucking cool

[01:03:23] yeah um but the the grander idea also is that

[01:03:27] you are seeing like the epicenter of essentially what

[01:03:31] you know terrorism like you know this guerrilla war like you're seeing

[01:03:35] one of sogarer's band of fighters like just fuck shit up

[01:03:39] they're just like tossing grenades and blowing up stormtroopers and being jerks

[01:03:43] and it's chaos and he's also sort of someone trying to hold on to

[01:03:47] the necessity of religion in a very oh sure it is yeah

[01:03:51] in a very dire time and in a time where people would lose

[01:03:55] humanity most he's so good the way he's got a very odd delivery

[01:03:59] yes I think it's like very clever and like

[01:04:03] special like like like for us Whitaker like you know like he's just

[01:04:07] it's not quite a list but he's got this sort of like lilting way

[01:04:11] where coming up I can't even do it great yeah

[01:04:15] and Bayes Malvis is sort of his protector I mean I like yeah he's like a buddy but he's

[01:04:19] like grumpy about it it's great it's a classic dynamic but he's also sort of his bodyguard

[01:04:23] where he's like why can't this guy just sit in a room and sit still I got to keep chasing after him

[01:04:27] shooting other people um but you could feel the love between them

[01:04:31] yeah so much so strong I wish they had more

[01:04:35] yeah but I mean you know you get what you get look they made a movie

[01:04:39] this is I want to throw out it's like we bought a zoo but with making and a movie

[01:04:43] right we made a movie um I want to give him one slap

[01:04:47] on the wrist here in this Sherrod M. Way sequence where he takes down

[01:04:51] on the stormtroopers they cut every other second to a different

[01:04:55] angle you have Donnie Yen in your fucking movie I agree yeah it's

[01:04:59] don't edit around this I don't look I mean I don't know we should shout out by the way

[01:05:03] this film is directed by Gareth Edwards we haven't mentioned that oh yeah because he kind

[01:05:07] of directed it he directed it look I'm not into that that's sort of an asterisk

[01:05:11] he's the list of director he was on set the whole time he's Garry Gies Gareth Edwards he's the director

[01:05:15] he directed it and by all accounts they brought on Tony Gilroy

[01:05:19] who had been doing some uncredited script work at that point to rework more of the

[01:05:23] script and reshoot like 40% of the movie with Gareth Edwards

[01:05:27] approval uh huh but it sounds like Tony was in the chair and Gareth Edwards

[01:05:31] was just going like yeah that's fine with me yeah okay with this stuff

[01:05:35] especially since no one has reported out like with Suicide Squad some should

[01:05:39] actually got reported out by trade papers and stuff.

[01:05:43] They did a lot of reshoots if you watch the original especially

[01:05:47] the early trailers for this movie there's a lot of stuff in those trailers that is not in this movie

[01:05:51] and I will say some of that stuff that they removed from the trailers was maybe the corner

[01:05:55] parts of the trailer so maybe you can see what uh you know what was getting

[01:05:59] diverted off of the train you know it's the more emotional stuff that I probably would have had in use of your time relating to

[01:06:03] all the speeches in the trailers feel like they were more fucking character based

[01:06:07] um I'll say this though um what's

[01:06:11] interesting about the stuff that's missing from the movie but was in the early trailers

[01:06:15] is it's not something like the Josh Trank Fantastic Four where you're like

[01:06:19] this is a whole set piece that isn't here anymore

[01:06:21] it's more like no it's nothing like that

[01:06:23] it's like these feel like alternate versions of scenes that are in the film

[01:06:27] sure and not just oh here are lines that were cut out of this scene but like here is a

[01:06:31] scene that kind of happens in this movie but is happening in a totally different location in the trailer

[01:06:35] but like different spaces different timelines characters who haven't met yet and stuff like that

[01:06:39] it feels like they had two completely alternate versions of this movie

[01:06:43] right which isn't like they uh you know we're like

[01:06:47] ah this isn't working we gotta make it more like this it was like uh what if we tell the story this way

[01:06:51] instead maybe like it feels like there's an alternate universe cut of this film

[01:06:55] maybe we'll probably never see it we'll probably never see it nope or

[01:06:59] even here really what happened gareth edwards has been by all accounts a good soldier

[01:07:03] on the press tour and stuff and you know has just said like yeah

[01:07:07] no tony helped a lot with the reshoots like there's no we haven't noticed

[01:07:11] yet a breach in the publicity wall to kind of figure out what it is that

[01:07:15] happened sure yeah yeah and also of course tony galroy is a real director

[01:07:19] who's been nominated for an Oscar and makes decent movies it's not

[01:07:23] like Suicide Squad where they hired a trailer company right you know like

[01:07:27] it is it's a little more old school hollywood professional but when the film was announced it was

[01:07:31] gareth edwards and gary witta and then after a year they said gary witta

[01:07:35] had finished his work on the film i'm putting an air quote wait you're gary witta wrote it

[01:07:39] the original script yes yeah and then they said like oh gary witta has finished his

[01:07:43] work on the film a new writer will now come aboard well i mean look they did the same thing with force awaken

[01:07:47] i know i'm not saying this in a negative way and then they brought on chris whites

[01:07:51] he of about a boy and twilight saga new moon

[01:07:55] fucking the golden compass yeah aka the golden shitting of the golden bed

[01:07:59] okay he also wrote cinderella for disney recently he's been doing a lot of stuff

[01:08:03] at disney he's he's at this point i think he's now just like kind of like tony galroy

[01:08:07] like a guy you get yeah um and then so it was like okay you know is gary

[01:08:13] witta can get screenplay credit on this a lucas film guy who was a vfx guy

[01:08:17] pitched the original idea for the don't know right and he's credited his story right with gary

[01:08:21] witta who wrote the original draft and only gets a story credit and then the screenplay credit is shared between

[01:08:25] we should shout out what gary witta has written in his past a film we've covered after after earth

[01:08:31] which was set after earth it was that's when that movie was set was after the earth just just reminding

[01:08:35] uh tony galroy has a coast green writing credit on this uh and then there are three credited editors

[01:08:41] one of whom is the third galroy brother four there's a lot of credit there were a lot of editors on this movie

[01:08:47] um so it does feel including me i did i did a little work yeah uh on the weekends you just pitched

[01:08:53] them yeah you helped him move yeah i just spliced in a bunch of droid stuff yeah originally first cut this movie no droids

[01:09:01] weird choice um but uh this movie like doesn't feel reshot and re-edited in a sense that there are like

[01:09:09] continuity errors no or like gaping holes it feels pretty tight but it also feels like you can see

[01:09:15] that there's like nothing to see here we plastered over this door you know it i also just think the tone of the film kind of

[01:09:22] shifts you know uh in it's in each third of the movie like i don't i don't mean like then even the emotional tone i more mean

[01:09:30] like the way the storytelling is working yeah um but i also i do kind of hate the forensic like let's try to figure

[01:09:39] because like we don't know i'm not i'd like to know i'd like to know too um it does feel to me though like

[01:09:45] it feels to me like that kind of movie just because it feels like they never latched on to what

[01:09:50] the character story is in this film and apparently uh i read today that apparently disney saw the first cut

[01:09:57] of the film and felt i mean once again this is hearsay right but i read on on some website that disney saw

[01:10:02] the first cut of the film and felt that jinn urso was too um prickly yes she was too brittle yeah which

[01:10:10] if you look at the early trailers she's i rebel right and they say the thing like arrested for this

[01:10:14] wanted for that she has a big rap sheet yeah this idea that she's been like a troublemaker

[01:10:18] and now they're trying to get her on the good side and so they want to make her more sympathetic

[01:10:23] and empathetic i don't know why they decided to do that but i'm also yeah i don't know they shouldn't

[01:10:30] have done that because it doesn't really work no because felicity jones is giving a prickly

[01:10:34] performance in this movie and uh the idea that they're laying out especially in the first third

[01:10:40] is like you've got your rebel alliance but then you've also got your saugurera who she's

[01:10:44] was raised by right who's like a little more extreme kind of more militant like more resorts to open

[01:10:49] violence like easily not like a very warm loving surrogate father exactly so like why not just and

[01:10:56] obvious obviously that's more of a like something that got sanded off like right because they mention

[01:11:01] it and but it doesn't they don't explore it right but i think there must have been a little more

[01:11:05] territory and we've got that speech that got cut out of the trailer where he's like what will you

[01:11:08] become and he has the early timeline haircut exactly because in the present day in the movie

[01:11:13] right he's got real hair he's got big hair he's got in the end in the movie he's got big hair

[01:11:18] yeah but in that speech he's got no hair which is a real haircut i want to make that clear the

[01:11:22] ultimate haircut right where all the hair is cut yeah the greatest of all haircuts um

[01:11:27] i think stupid i think the stupid thing they do by taking away the prickly elements is so prickly

[01:11:33] though you know like i mean there's the emotion stuff is with her dad i guess by trying to sand

[01:11:37] it down she becomes a character so much more defined by her backstory than anything she is in the

[01:11:41] present day like they play up the emotions of her missing her father and all of that sort of stuff

[01:11:46] there are a lot of scenes of her crying in this movie i'm not saying that in a reductive way but it

[01:11:50] just feels like she's mostly defined by her relationship to the father she's not there anymore

[01:11:55] rather than the original strike at this character that sounds like it was more like

[01:11:59] how someone would turn out if they actually were raised in that environment well also i think

[01:12:04] the more important thing in this movie and for me it works but you could even do a little

[01:12:09] more is the idea that she's falling in love with the rebel cause yeah and there's this trope where

[01:12:16] early on in the movie cassian says like well rebellions are built on hope when you know

[01:12:20] and she then parrot that parents that line later when she's trying to rally everyone to

[01:12:25] you know make this big strike to get the death star plans and like you for you sorry keep going

[01:12:30] give us the queue uh do all heroes have to be orphans

[01:12:37] in this universe yes of course okay yeah no problem i just it seems like that keeps happening yeah

[01:12:44] yeah i mean i think uh yeah star wars is is you know it's we talk a lot but it's like star wars

[01:12:50] is more rooted in fantasy and fairy tales and sci-fi tropes very fairy tale and that's a real

[01:12:54] thing of like you know okay the neglected kid the latchkey child left in the woods whatever

[01:13:00] right it's it's capable of greatness gets caught up in a crazy story also parents stink yeah parents

[01:13:06] fucking suck yeah well especially when they build a death star yeah that's the words kids rule yeah

[01:13:11] this is a movie about how kids rule when i've talked in the past like in the early star wars

[01:13:15] episodes a lot about my father's financial troubles i forgot to mention it was because he built a death

[01:13:18] star which was really very uncool of him very uncool and so fucking expensive because it

[01:13:24] always costs more than you think it will also why did he's build it in the south

[01:13:28] yeah that's the dumb thing he built a death star in tenancy all right so um

[01:13:33] so they get throwback no it's a good throwback i just said we should just move on right yeah i don't

[01:13:38] know do you want to do more of it no what i was just gonna say is i think there's there's you look at

[01:13:43] the trailers and it feels like there's a character story set up of this woman who is forced to become

[01:13:47] we make this point yeah seriously independent right okay and and block everyone out and fight for

[01:13:52] herself who then finds a group that she can actually be part of right to stop being so

[01:13:57] solitary and isolated and antagonistic to everyone around her and it feels like now

[01:14:02] she's someone who's just kind of like bumping around and they're like you want to do this and she's

[01:14:06] like yeah i guess i do want to be a rebel okay well no first she's like sure and then the she

[01:14:10] they go to saugurera's house and it's a house it's a house it's like a temple i don't know what it is

[01:14:17] it's some sort of carved in a mountain thingy yeah and she's like look they told me to introduce

[01:14:22] you guys so here i am i'm introducing you guys and i'm done right and then he shows her this

[01:14:26] message from his dad and the dad is saying like i'm sorry jen i'm sorry about you know that whole

[01:14:32] me getting kidnapped in front of you when i was when you were a kid and fucking suck i know

[01:14:36] me a culpa i'm sorry that everyone you know keeps reminding you that i build it like a

[01:14:41] collaborator and i built this death star technically that's not on me i know it triggers bad memories

[01:14:45] but don't blame me for people talking about me i would classify this the the term you guys

[01:14:49] use is pretty sweaty it's a little sweaty yeah and so long this feels like a reshoot thing where

[01:14:54] it was like okay we cut out a bunch of other stuff now maybe yeah mads mickelson speech has to be much

[01:14:59] longer to cover all the other here's the info dump it's a long speech and of course also they are

[01:15:03] trying to make this an emotional instrument because she basically collapses on her knees watching it

[01:15:07] right and so a hologram and uh and it's a hologram i mean look another classic they love to

[01:15:12] fucking yeah throw out a hologram whenever they fucking can't but let's let's bridge the only

[01:15:16] thing that kind of retconning here that like the flaw in the death star that's not just some

[01:15:21] flaw where someone's like oopsie i left a hole here shouldn't shoot anything down that just that

[01:15:26] fly out he was like pss i left a hole here shoot something down because uh i'll blow it'll blow

[01:15:31] the whole damn thing up yeah that's on purpose i think is a fun retcon that's a good retcon i do

[01:15:35] too i like that um but yeah i'm gonna do this whole trick you know that's a nice one to do in

[01:15:40] between these two points because we can cover this quickly the whole gang gets like arrested

[01:15:43] and then they do a jailbreak together right and then they get on a ship so now our separate

[01:15:47] characters who have been existing different planes are now all together they're all together

[01:15:50] we should also say though jeta gets blown up by death star right the city gets blown up it's kind of a

[01:15:56] it's it's kind of a cool you know they can't have the death star blow up a planet yeah because when

[01:16:00] the death star blows up a planet in star wars that's the first time it blew up a planet i guess they

[01:16:04] could have done some trickery to get around that but they decide not to to their credit but

[01:16:07] they're testing out they're going like a tree okay cool let's try a block they could have

[01:16:11] blew up a moon yeah can we do a district they don't blow up any moons they shoot a city

[01:16:15] and it's sort of you know it's like a nuclear attack yeah and it's cool and it's upsetting and

[01:16:20] it's upsetting i think this film deals with the viscerality of war i know this is a thing that people

[01:16:24] have been arguing over of like idiots have been arguing over there was the headline of like this

[01:16:27] is the first star wars movie to really focus on the war time and a future guest yes i mean he

[01:16:31] didn't write the headline but he wrote the piece and whoever you know vox people put headlines

[01:16:35] on it like yeah the headline was something along with it's just the first film that yeah

[01:16:38] really deals with which i think it's i think this is the first movie that makes the war

[01:16:42] feel like a war movie not a space opera yes exactly because we're seeing like on the ground

[01:16:47] battles with characters who might not make it and sure but not only that to me this feels like a

[01:16:52] fucking you know john ford 1940s propaganda movie where you're supposed to watch this and think

[01:16:58] the rebels are the heroes like it's supposed to be about like every man does his part and you

[01:17:04] know you're all cogs in this great important thing and yes of course you know sacrifice must

[01:17:10] be made but you know it's all in the in service of defeating the empire you know i like that and

[01:17:15] that's one of the things i like about the movie no stylistically it's like whipping you up you know

[01:17:20] the movie i would compare it more to is black hawk down or i mean dirty dozen is something i

[01:17:25] thought a grittier version of the visuals are grittier but stylistically in terms of

[01:17:29] storytelling in terms of the sort of immediacy of the war yes you know the ugliness of it

[01:17:35] and and sort of the sensory overload kind of and also that it's kind of a guerrilla war so there's

[01:17:39] a lot of like little skirmishes and yeah it felt like black hawk to me which is also a movie i have

[01:17:43] a hard time engaging with them i love that i know you do and i think that movie technically very well

[01:17:47] executed but i just watch it and go like oh okay yeah war sucks uh they escape they get on the ship

[01:17:53] they go to the hologram you know they get on the ship uh they go to rain planet i forget what

[01:17:59] it's called but there's a rain planet i think it's called rain planet that's correct it's called

[01:18:03] rain planet yeah and that's where the second rain plant we've seen now true true and that's

[01:18:07] where her daddy galen is and he's been making the death star this to me is the sad the saggiest part

[01:18:13] of the movie this feels the most re-shot i would agree not sure what this is how they had to like

[01:18:18] unite the two halves of the movie i guess so yeah you know we can talk about i get we should great

[01:18:23] rainwork the rain's amazing it's good rainwork and they have some really good ponchos all

[01:18:28] them start wearing ponchos oh the ponchos ponchos here's a thing i want to i want to give

[01:18:33] some credit here here's a thing i think rogue one does really well it hits upon what i think is a

[01:18:38] basic fundamental tenet of star wars films yeah that the original trilogy did really well and

[01:18:43] the phantom mass trilogy got away from british people in jackets just some great british people

[01:18:50] in some great jackets and i know castiel andor isn't british but he's got two amazing jackets

[01:18:55] in this he's got a jacket that i would pay top dollar no question but they're just this is

[01:18:59] she's got some nice jackets this is a very jackety movie and it's a lot of brits to get

[01:19:03] so it can fit together better with the original star wars just to point out better men listen to

[01:19:07] australian but uh you know brit brit adjacent he's not wearing a jacket he's wearing like a tunic

[01:19:11] yeah he's a cape actually he's got a pretty sexy wonderful cape nice cape but a lot of like a

[01:19:15] lot of the background rebels on this are just like that's a guy with a good mustache and an

[01:19:19] even better jacket but uh we should also point out that uh almost everyone in this movie is not

[01:19:23] white except for the villains obviously because the empire is always white right uh and then

[01:19:28] i'm the only close to johnson her dad or the only white people yeah you've got yeah a nice colorful

[01:19:35] cast yeah oh there's that weird little uh guy oh yeah the little guys great griffin pumped his

[01:19:41] fist yeah we don't know his name yet although maybe i should fire the trading card game back up

[01:19:45] because that's that's that's how you learn some names i can't get back into that uh yeah i mean

[01:19:50] i'm opposite of ben i like little guys uh and there there's a little yeah it's just like a great

[01:19:55] little creature who's who's sort of trying to get out and get ahead the beginning of the movie i always

[01:19:59] say his name role he looks like uh grotto quado quado i thought you were trying to say waddo

[01:20:06] for a second it's just a river that way but i like that guy because he's like uh like him good

[01:20:13] guy so uh at this rain planet that jen is reunited with her father briefly but he dies

[01:20:20] they're trying to find out orson is there right orson's there and he's trying to find out who

[01:20:26] was trade right betrayed the empire sent uh you know boating the pilot away right and so he's

[01:20:31] got like six guys and he's like someone step forward and galen's like oh fuck i can't let these people

[01:20:37] die so he steps forward and he's like i did it and then he shoots all the guys anyway critics

[01:20:41] like i'm not gonna fucking kill you because i need you but just no you make mistakes like this

[01:20:44] other people die but then they all get blown up by a rebel attack and so mad you know galen dies

[01:20:50] right and orson runs away and and jen holds her father in her arms and gets a second and he convinces

[01:20:56] her like you got to destroy this thing you know you got it it's essentially like blowing up the

[01:21:00] death star is completing her father's work now between the opening of the film which we've

[01:21:04] discussed and this point when orson crick is here all the other scenes of orson crick are

[01:21:08] him on a ship talking to a computer generated peter cushion you're wrong there's one other

[01:21:13] scene what's the other one him talking to darth vader i thought that came after this no it comes right

[01:21:19] before this okay right because this is him no might be i think it's right i can't remember where it is

[01:21:24] because it's him trying to clean up the mess and then he goes to darth vader it doesn't matter

[01:21:27] it doesn't matter when it is it's right around there but anyway peter cushion who died in 1994

[01:21:33] is in this movie and is one of the five or six main characters no he's one of the ten main

[01:21:40] characters i'd say he's six or seven that's not true all he does is stand on the whatever he is on

[01:21:50] star destroyer death star whatever and say like and fire the weapon you know do the thing except for

[01:21:59] for whatever reason they decided to make the sort of conflict they you know the kind of in the

[01:22:05] board room conflict as i previously mentioned between him and orson over like who the death

[01:22:10] star kind of belongs to and or who it gets blamed on yeah they decided to make this like part of orson's

[01:22:16] arc uh huh so you've got him not just saying fire things but also once in a while kind of emoting

[01:22:24] i mean because he wants this he's been working hard he started in the mail room he's worked his

[01:22:28] way all the way up to the you know imperial destroyer and he wants to get the credit for this

[01:22:33] so orson is his orson's idea the death star that's his whole character but of course in star

[01:22:38] wars tarkin appears to be the inventor of the death star the guy who's in charge of the death

[01:22:43] star the guy who takes all the credit for the death so they have to have pitch meetings you think

[01:22:49] so let's spitball on here uh i just want to toss out an idea i just you know had a weird

[01:22:53] dream last night bad first pitch uh like a like a like a killer planet all right uh so they

[01:23:02] they've decided to bridge the gap yeah you know but to explain why one villain

[01:23:08] would not be you know around and the next villain is right in star wars and they decide to do that

[01:23:14] by using re creating yeah go ahead no using the technology that uh david fincher used to

[01:23:19] recreate orville reddenbacher and those creepy cgi commercials they are very weird i think it looks

[01:23:25] exactly like that i think the technology's advanced but it's the same creepy thing where it's like

[01:23:29] this is a specific human being we know what they look like right and they're asking them to do a

[01:23:33] lot of acting now it's not just one shot he's got a lot of dialogue in this one he's got a fair

[01:23:37] amount of dialogue it's all him sort of squabbling with orson basically yes um i'll say a bunch of

[01:23:43] things please one do you know about the slippers no what's the slip okay so in star wars all the

[01:23:49] imperial officers wear these like kind of jack boots you know they wear these sort of fancy

[01:23:53] nazi boots right peter cushing didn't like the boots yeah he asked if he could wear slippers

[01:23:57] instead and they just don't shoot his legs okay george lucas was like sure peter cushing

[01:24:01] that's fine yeah as a result there is no footage of peter cushing's legs in star wars

[01:24:07] as it as grand moff tarkin so apparently the cgi people had the most trouble creating his legs and

[01:24:13] how they move because everything else they're just replicating his performance as best they can

[01:24:19] and it is kind of you know it's got that uncanny valley valley real doll kind of thing where

[01:24:23] he even does this sort of little eye twitches that peter cushing does but obviously it's cgi

[01:24:29] what's like a copy pasted micro expressions from other scenes but they the legs brand new baby

[01:24:36] those are brand new legs and credit recruits do his legs are great in those good legs good legs

[01:24:40] bush better than chris pratt's and passengers not to bring up passenger weird bloated calves it looks

[01:24:46] like he's smuggling oranges at the back of his legs really do you think he was like getting ready for

[01:24:51] guardians or something i don't know something weird so like that his body was in some sort of a

[01:24:55] mid workout kind of like yeah transformative here he looks odd yeah credit recruits do though

[01:25:00] andi garcia is great and passengers oh my god he's so shocked he's so good no spoilers because

[01:25:05] we know our list just haven't listened to it but wait until you see indigresi and passengers

[01:25:08] it's the performance no spoilers but he's fifth build for a reason

[01:25:16] so yeah what do you think so um other thing i did not know about this at all did you know about

[01:25:20] this i knew because after all our critic friends had saw the movie before that no before that no

[01:25:26] i didn't know there was no i then googled around and saw there's actually it's actually been much

[01:25:30] discussed there was one trailer shot where there was from behind what appeared to be tarkin and

[01:25:36] there was an actor they hired to play tarkin revenge of the sith who has main scenes cut out but can

[01:25:40] be seen in the background who they put a distracting amount of makeup on to try to look like peter

[01:25:44] cushion right right it was just a bad makeup job not that that couldn't be done but they did it

[01:25:49] poorly and so i assumed it was like that that someone was playing young tarkin or

[01:25:55] i assumed that you only would see tarkin from behind right i thought very briefly i thought

[01:26:00] they were gonna do that i know he did it a lot and then i was like maybe they haven't

[01:26:04] do one scene no he's got like six or seven some people think this is some kind of a moral outrage

[01:26:08] he's credited in the film as like special thanks to the family of peter cushion yeah uh i don't

[01:26:14] know who did the voice i guess is charles dance it's weird that the voice is uncredited they

[01:26:19] have some credit as his body double but like someone had to write read all that dialogue yes

[01:26:24] i think it was charles dance do you really literally think i do yeah interesting pretty

[01:26:27] sure sounded like him and he's good at it and you know yeah um i don't find it to be a moral

[01:26:34] outrage i do find it to be deeply creepy and unsettling and the thing is charles dance probably

[01:26:40] could have played grand muff tarkin i would have just put a little bit of makeup on charles dance

[01:26:44] and gone this is grand muff tarkin you know george lucas in revenge of the sith there's a tarkin

[01:26:49] he's played by a different actor he just said this oh right you just said it yeah but like

[01:26:53] but he doesn't talk right and i think they shot some stuff of him talking and decided not to

[01:26:58] do was creepy i think this is an interesting direction for movies in general sort of like

[01:27:02] lego movie s thing where you just have a bunch of dead actors and throw them all in something

[01:27:06] together this is the toy box yeah you can you can revive anyone scott humphrey bogar and uh

[01:27:13] uh an alph

[01:27:17] i mean we like sky captain has laurence olivia and he like this is a trick people have been

[01:27:22] trying to pull a while is like a big hologram head like you don't have to have scenes where

[01:27:26] he's interacting with other people as a person you know i'm saying like laurence olivia that

[01:27:30] film is all through archival footage or stuff like that even though they have new dialogue

[01:27:34] for him and they do the same thing with uh brando and superman returns but it's once again

[01:27:38] a big hologram head it's just it's almost like you're just watching a screen right i think to

[01:27:43] put him in a scene like this is weird because ben mendelson who is such a behavioral actor when

[01:27:49] you're cross cutting between a close-up of a cgi peter cushing and ben mendelson it's like oh right

[01:27:54] that's what a performance looks like when it's like someone just making organic choices and

[01:27:58] responding in the moment and then it goes to peter cushing the cgi peter cushing and the

[01:28:02] whole time i'm hey there's not one scene in the film one shot in the film of this character

[01:28:07] where i'm not thinking like i guess it's pretty well done like i'm not engaging with what he's

[01:28:12] saying as much because i'm like oh his mouth looks weird but the eyes are pretty good like i'm just

[01:28:16] kind of judging it at every moment and then the other thing is uh it's just not a real

[01:28:22] performance like they're so no it's not boxed in by trying to reputation it's like a fax yeah

[01:28:28] it's like the fab four like playing beetle songs and you're like oh that guy kind of looks

[01:28:32] like ringo you know yeah um i think it was kind of a bad choice i would have only done it for like

[01:28:37] one scene to bridge the gap i would have had him come in at the very end i think having him interact

[01:28:42] that much with ben mendelson is a big mistake i agree let's move on let's move on darth fader

[01:28:49] it's great in this movie is really really good think he does a good job uh yeah i'm glad they

[01:28:52] gave hayden some work it was nice to see him back be funny if it was actually hayden i wasn't

[01:28:56] really hoping no it's like some tall guy three people are credited with the body of

[01:29:01] obviously james ral jones just tells us the voice yeah someone made a joke recently where

[01:29:05] he was like do you think they just have like locked him in a room and they're just like

[01:29:07] read every word in the dictionary and a bunch of made up ones um odd vodka some interesting

[01:29:14] stuff we learn about darth fader uh he lives in uh mortaur i think yes in in the uh in

[01:29:22] sauron's old tower they uh brought it back yeah he likes to hang out in a milk bath yeah he he sleeps

[01:29:28] actually that was kind of cool i love that yeah he's in his like little uh what's it's kind of like

[01:29:34] the thing luke's in in the empire strikes back the uh what's it called not the back to tank or

[01:29:38] something yeah no that's it back to tank and you see him very very briefly you see his little

[01:29:42] limbless he's got a little arm stubs um i do i thought the implication i got was that

[01:29:48] that tower is on mustafar that was my reading oh it felt kind of mustafar it's a lava planet yeah

[01:29:55] i know from my extensive reading of wikipedia that mustafar is like a lot of dark uh side magic

[01:30:01] there so that he and the emperor like to go there all the time just to chill out uh he's great in

[01:30:05] this movie he's a good he's a good guy i mean he's a good uh he's one of my best friends

[01:30:09] darth vader and i think he did a good job in this film um he gets angry at crinic and he's

[01:30:14] like you know fucking take care of it i'm darth vader i don't have time to fuck around with this

[01:30:18] yeah uh it's a brief appearance but he's good yeah that seems good what do you think of the pun

[01:30:23] be careful not to choke on your ambitions or whatever that's fine jordan hoffman who i love

[01:30:27] good friend uh ran up to me or was he was no he was just running around after the screening

[01:30:32] he was just like that pun what a pun he loved the pun he does a force choke and that's cool

[01:30:36] and that's that's probably my favorite bit of fan service in this movie there's some

[01:30:40] fan service in this movie there's even some easter eggs i mean i don't like the fucking

[01:30:43] shit when they're on uh uh the plan at the beginning and jetta and they run into fucking

[01:30:48] ponda babba and what's his name you didn't like that okay you know what there was the point where

[01:30:53] they bump shoulders and like out of focus in the corner of the frame you could tell it was

[01:30:58] that guy why am i forgetting his name the dude with the weird face i don't like you yeah i don't

[01:31:01] know his name either right remember his name yeah the fucked up face guy i was fine with it

[01:31:06] dr elzar or something like that whatever when i was fine with it when he just walked by in the frame

[01:31:12] and then when they had to cut to him turning around and being like watch yourself then it was

[01:31:15] like too much like i'm fine if he's just kind of in the peripheries but when they cut to

[01:31:19] fucking see 3po and r2d2 being like why doesn't anyone ever tell us anything it's like what the

[01:31:24] point we know they exist at this point you know uh yeah i agree i didn't like that

[01:31:30] yeah uh i think it was fine what did you think of the 3po r2 uh shout out that's what i just said

[01:31:36] but i mean like do you think it's just like they're in everything right is there a thing they haven't

[01:31:41] been in no like they're even in like star wars rebels and like yeah they're not in the ewoks

[01:31:48] cartoon they're not well they're androids because we're two different or maybe they're in ewoks

[01:31:53] i like i'm gonna make a really embarrassing confession i haven't watched all of ewoks

[01:32:00] they're in uh there's dinner parties where i lie and go oh yes episode six of ewoks yes i've seen it

[01:32:06] um do you think it's just some lucas film mandate almost like john ratson burger

[01:32:11] where it's like they gotta be in it that was a you gotta have a 3po joke lucas's original idea was

[01:32:17] that sure that your whole star war story was through their eyes well no his original idea

[01:32:20] was there was the journal of the wills my friends and his second idea was all right how about

[01:32:23] two funny droids his intention with the first movie was we're going to see this nine film saga

[01:32:29] through the eyes of the two lowest status characters yeah and it's a cool idea it's a cool idea and

[01:32:33] it's dropped immediately in empire strikes back they're just part of the journey that film is no

[01:32:37] longer from their eyes well in rogue one what if it was just rogue one was just through their eyes

[01:32:42] in the whole movie it was just them watching some ships leaving like where are they going and then

[01:32:46] that's the end of the movie i'd love it if rogue one was first person through c3po's eyes

[01:32:50] literally it would be funny if even the prequels like lucas just had to labor to have r2 be there

[01:32:56] like while like anakin and padmeer having sex and r2 is just sort of like sitting in the room

[01:33:02] i need to have seen this first hand um otherwise they wouldn't know they wouldn't be able to tell the

[01:33:08] story so is there any other well so then like the streaky stuff now uh there was maybe one

[01:33:15] other one i'm forgetting oh and i really like i actually really like this the inclusion of red

[01:33:20] and gold leader in the final battle oh yeah that's cool that's great i think that's cool

[01:33:25] because one you're not doing any cg id you're just scrubbing images from the old movies and just

[01:33:29] literally cutting to them right i've just like i go this is gold leader you know like love that

[01:33:35] love that because of course they'd be there yeah and i love that red five gets blown up they

[01:33:39] specifically blow up red five so then it's like there's an opening yeah for luc to fill yeah

[01:33:43] you know they're like he's like can i join in they're like oh which oh yeah red five yeah

[01:33:47] sure take red five you're red five uh a little disappointed by the lack of porkens

[01:33:52] once they started cutting in the old x-wing fighters would have been nice for a porken shoutout

[01:33:58] yeah because all we know of porkens is his his failure yes he that like he flies in and he's

[01:34:03] immediately like oh my god and he blows up would have been nice to see porkens do some good work

[01:34:08] it would have been nice if they just like even over like the radio went like porkens come in

[01:34:11] and he's like yeah i'm not on this mission i'm taking lunch uh yeah exactly you see everyone

[01:34:16] running through their fighters and you see him just sitting and he's like where's everyone

[01:34:19] going like and he's got a sub i'm doing a quiz nose run anyone want anything

[01:34:24] he's uh he's still alive william hootkins i believe that'd be a hoot if he is

[01:34:29] boy negative five comedy points still i okay so now the team's like no no he's very dead oh okay

[01:34:36] so the 11 years the opposite of still alive okay very dead interesting it's i saw him on the

[01:34:42] broadway stage or the london stage no he was only 57 when he died don't rip people

[01:34:47] is it possible you saw a ghost treading the boards you saw him in a production of blithe spirits um

[01:34:57] now the team becomes a team and that's what happens and they're like look we know where

[01:35:02] the blueprint already kind of it yeah no right now they're really unified and jinn's like okay

[01:35:06] fuck i'm in right that's jinn's been sold on if they go to yavin uh and that's where jinn

[01:35:12] tries to be like come on guys yeah death star plans you don't want to go get him right let's go to

[01:35:18] scariff right she does like a shittier version of rick maranis's speech from the lil giants

[01:35:23] yeah i think it's about as good as rick maranis's speech from the lil giants

[01:35:26] and lil giants is really good um you've got ian macklehanny who's from game of thrones playing

[01:35:31] general doduna or whatever that guy's name is okay they sub in some actors jan didana or whatever

[01:35:36] jan didana that you know the guy with a big white beard yeah who his role in star wars is

[01:35:40] just like he also is there and looking at the computer screen remember yeah he's just like next

[01:35:45] to leah i understand that peter crushing is very iconic but like why wouldn't you pull him on mothma

[01:35:50] which it's the same thing where that's what i'm arguing here yeah and i know it's like the argument

[01:35:54] is like well this by the end of the movie the last time you see tarkin it's supposed to be like

[01:35:59] you know fucking 12 hours before the start of star wars so like it has to look seamless but

[01:36:03] it's like who gives a shit like doesn't just feel creepy like the it dramatically doesn't work

[01:36:08] anytime he's on screen because you're just going like okay well the head tilt that's interesting

[01:36:12] they got the head tilt right the wrinkles are okay you know you're like checklisting off of what

[01:36:17] those eye twitches yeah his eye really twitches yeah it's just weird and so the rebel alliance we

[01:36:23] see is you know it's not quite it's not quite a lion's sea at this point it's still kind of fudgy

[01:36:29] it's on alliance because i think the point is that it's after the battle you have and

[01:36:34] after this and the battle you have and that's when the rebel alliance is really like oh we can

[01:36:37] we can win this thing like this is for real like you know this is this is we can destroy the empire

[01:36:42] we're seeing the rebel alliance in there praying with anger wide awake phase very true very true

[01:36:48] yeah but harvey wine scene still causing trouble and they're like i don't know if we can

[01:36:52] even give up from planet mirror max right and then and then the the weakness in the death star is

[01:36:59] m knights spec script for six cents and they're like waving it around going like there's a future

[01:37:04] we're gonna make something this is a tough metaphor i think it tracks perfectly so then the yeah

[01:37:09] the second half of the movie is like well not yeah second it is the second half yeah so

[01:37:13] they say no but jinn and uh kassian and a few others you know the team plus more decide fuck it

[01:37:20] we're gonna go anyway get these plans and then the second half is just one big battle

[01:37:25] yeah uh at the planet of scarif right the tropical planet of scarif which i had a hard time

[01:37:31] engaging with i'm so sorry that's fine that's fine i'll be okay and it really does have that

[01:37:36] links in a chain idea where it's like every person has a little thing to do that kind of passes to

[01:37:42] the next thing like a bodie has to transmit this message to take down the take take down

[01:37:49] the shield gate because then we can get you these plans yeah he does it you know he like

[01:37:54] gets this big like wire that he like runs around and he plugs it into something you know

[01:37:59] gives the lives of a lot of wire work in this mode it's some good wire work yeah i mean donny

[01:38:03] yen hey crouching hug your hidden dragon sort of destiny absolutely don't even be a man he wasn't

[01:38:07] in the first one buddy popped up it's um bodie delivers the message literally one second later

[01:38:12] he dies yeah he blows up k2so has to work some console and then he's like he's helping him get

[01:38:19] the plans right that's a that's a decent scene yeah his death like you know i like how

[01:38:25] understated that is almost yeah yeah uh oh that's that's probably my favorite joke in the movie

[01:38:31] is when uh they're fighting in genor so it's just like shooting around and then k2so like

[01:38:37] pops up behind her and she accidentally shoots him in the head and the audience is like oh

[01:38:40] fuck yeah and then he pops up and it was like oh no that was an actual imperial right it's just

[01:38:44] go because the idea of k do we say this the idea of him is a reprogrammed imperial droid

[01:38:48] right which is cool but then but then he's like how did you know that wasn't me

[01:38:52] yeah it's a good joke good job he's funny he's funny i thought he was funny i did too i like him

[01:38:57] ha it worked my evil plan worked uh and uh i like uh shirt m ways uh final stand

[01:39:09] me he does the like that's great i am strong with the force i feel the what was this thing

[01:39:13] he keeps saying i i'm strong with the force the forces with me i'm pretty sure i mean i'm

[01:39:17] the father the son the holy ghost like he's like just repeating it over and over again methodically

[01:39:22] and bays malbis is like are you fucking kidding me like i have one job it's to keep you alive and

[01:39:26] you're literally walking into the line of fire i'm one with the force the forces with me his

[01:39:30] job is yes to throw this switch so that they can send the signal he does it you know successfully

[01:39:35] he dodges all the lasers he does it then he gets you know shot or blown up and there's

[01:39:40] this moment i found kind of touching where bays malbis is like i didn't believe in this

[01:39:44] right it's great one with the force the forces one with me and he's just like

[01:39:48] it's in a time like this you need to believe in something you know you need to believe in

[01:39:52] a higher power like he saw it fail for his friend but like that's why religion exists to

[01:39:56] prevent present a moral compass in times of great moral uncertainty right and to make you

[01:40:02] feel like there is a plan in an otherwise chaotic world and it is chaos i mean this whole

[01:40:07] battle scene is utter chaos yes and i like that the good cat you feel it like you know it

[01:40:12] feels messy and fucked up i like the phone presents the force and the idea of the judge

[01:40:17] is grudging as that kind of thing yeah no i like that a lot because at this point it's like

[01:40:21] you know when we hear about religion today we're like yeah but those guys back in 1800s they

[01:40:26] they claim they were like talking to jesus and shit right and now you don't hear modern

[01:40:30] accounts of that unless it's like you know immediately discounted as like this lady

[01:40:33] thinks her toast is jesus or whatever but in this movie it's like the that one was true

[01:40:37] the toast was jesus the jedi's for them are like that it's like the jedi's are like

[01:40:41] yeah they're these guys like 60 years ago who like seemed really in touch with the right

[01:40:46] right no i mean and the force awakens is playing in that pool as well obviously i just like

[01:40:50] yeah no i mean the the jungwins death scene that you both of their death scenes dunny and

[01:40:55] and jungwins well done they're great yeah and and again you're yeah you're seeing him

[01:41:00] that yeah you see k2so die jinn or so and casian andor are dressed up like imperial officers

[01:41:05] they've snuck on they're going through a computer system it's all true they're in like a giant

[01:41:10] like wi-fi router building yeah and it's sort of like that new thing that a lot of

[01:41:14] best buy stores have uh have you seen this where you just type in like i want a copy of

[01:41:20] have you seen this no there's like the best buy to a best buy in a while the best buy at

[01:41:24] 23rd and six has this where you like search and you're like uh who framed roger rabbit on blu-ray

[01:41:30] and then there's this big wall it's like a giant vending machine oh my god and this robot

[01:41:34] arm like scans across and pulls roger rabbit out so you don't have to like go through

[01:41:38] shelves so it's just a bigger version of like a candy machine yeah it's a huge candy it'd be funny

[01:41:42] if it was a candy machine like if the the drama in rogue one was that like they punch it and then

[01:41:47] they're like the little rings turn but then it's stuck and they have to like bang it it's the size

[01:41:52] of it's like a whole wall and they're doing that they're trying to like locate the thing yeah and

[01:41:57] they do and it's called stardust yeah but i like i like that they can't it's a copy of stardust

[01:42:01] matthew on stardust on dvd absolutely i mean like k2 i saw i mean gail and urso huge fan of

[01:42:06] robert denier was working that way so it's an underrated performance um but yeah so they you know

[01:42:11] they they get this plan they climb up the tower and what orson crinic finds them and he's chasing

[01:42:16] after them he's like you're gonna lose and she's like i'm not gonna lose so and and i don't i will

[01:42:23] say i don't like some of the more video gamey business especially where she's like let's

[01:42:26] transmit the plans and it's like realign satellite dish like this isn't a marvel movie we don't

[01:42:31] need business this movie felt very video gamey tonight map hatches uh former guest was talking

[01:42:37] about that with me as we left he was like this is like star wars battlefront the movie it felt

[01:42:41] like watching someone play battlefront and i'm like these are exquisitely rendered worlds i like the

[01:42:46] conflict within him he's a good action director gareth certainly i mean there are few he's a good

[01:42:51] scale big scale director few people have a better grasp on how to create a sense of scale

[01:42:58] and terror from that than garith edwards i think the sequences are great star wars is one of my

[01:43:02] favorite aesthetic sandboxes in the history of pop culture you know i think this one does a really

[01:43:08] good job of uh approximating the 70s visuals and modernizing them without good nice and dirty

[01:43:13] and acronistic nice and dirty and yeah they get in the uh the weird grainy like uh crt uh video

[01:43:21] you know uh look like the low res like wire frames shit behind them yeah like i like all of that

[01:43:27] and i like the archetypes you know like even far darth vaders fart vader i said it wrong i know

[01:43:34] but darth vaders buttons right it's almost just like cute now for me i'm just like oh that's it's

[01:43:40] cute that's a nice little reminder and i like the darth vaders uh i lenses buttons do

[01:43:46] do they like surf i think it's volume it's just can't hear he has to turn the volume

[01:43:50] and one's a poop button yeah coffee poop volume those are the three switches um i uh i like that his

[01:43:58] lenses were were red in this which they are in the original star wars and they were corrected to

[01:44:02] black after that anyway uh i just i emotionally i felt like watching someone play a video game

[01:44:08] in this movie and i was like this looks like a great fucking game i'd love to play i think

[01:44:11] that's a fair criticism i disagree with you but i like i get it yeah that was but i was

[01:44:16] emotionally involved okay we should also mention too that while this uh the plot is unfolding on the

[01:44:22] planet they're sort of cutting between to the space uh area just above the planet right and there's a

[01:44:29] moment that ben i know you flipped out over where we see a bunch of ships arrive at once from hyperspeed

[01:44:36] oh that was so good it was so well executed it's like they just suddenly like pop in and it's

[01:44:40] like oh all these guys are hyperspeed and at the same time they all just got to their

[01:44:43] destination there's some cool like imperial star destroyer on star destroyer battle i mean all

[01:44:49] the like i love the ship stuff right um it's this is all well executed but at this point i

[01:44:55] i just i wasn't invested you know i was just watching this now it's like like being in this world

[01:45:00] i was invested great cast i would be interested to hear if you do say it again what you make of

[01:45:06] it the second time it's a star wars movie i have to see it again sure but um kassie and endor

[01:45:10] shoots crannock right that which i liked kassie endor you you know you've he crannock shoots so many

[01:45:15] falls down you think always he dead but obviously you're thinking like he's probably not dead right

[01:45:19] although i'll admit you're thinking a little more maybe he is dead because you are at this point

[01:45:23] getting the sense like i don't think anyone's gonna make it right because kushing's on this

[01:45:27] death star above and he's getting ready to blow this whole thing up which i also chilling in a

[01:45:32] milk bath darth fader has been you know they they like called his answering machine and he's

[01:45:36] you know he's like he's getting dressed you know he's on a quiz nose run with pork and

[01:45:40] uh then what are you gonna say and then well uh you know so maybe he but yeah he he pops back up

[01:45:44] he shoots crannock crannock you know falls that's it you know there's not like some gigantic

[01:45:50] climactic battle here no you know it's and and also and i don't think anyone's robbed of a hero

[01:45:55] moment or a villain moment no but i think what's interesting about this film and it only can

[01:45:59] be done in a movie like this that's slotting in between two books on a crowded shelf sure

[01:46:04] is just that like the objective is kind of the character here like the character arc of this

[01:46:11] movie is the plan but i also think the objective is like i said like rebellion right like it's like

[01:46:17] you know we're not just gonna fold because it seems like you guys have all the cards you know

[01:46:22] once all of them are sure you built a death star fine and all our heroes in this movie

[01:46:26] are serving a larger purpose which is like we're almost definitely not going to make it

[01:46:29] out like i said links in a chain baby right we just got to get this thing done we just got

[01:46:33] to get this to the finish line but i also love the idea that they have been so disruptive

[01:46:38] that they are forcing the empire to use its death star on its own base this is an empire base yeah

[01:46:44] with all their fucking archives and shit yeah and i mean you know the the nice little irony is

[01:46:49] orson is done in by his invention that shot of the death star rising over the planet is pretty cool

[01:46:55] yes and then that shot of orson like kind of staring it down as he knows what's about to

[01:46:58] happen and like you know and that's a nice bit of callousness from tarkin where he's like

[01:47:03] looks like this is compromise blow the whole thing up here's another big sacrifice they make by

[01:47:07] blowing it up okay sure originally the clone troopers a lot of different variations colors this and that

[01:47:14] then they start like you know they take on the new storm trooper design they're like

[01:47:17] whole new brand overhaul storm trooper here's what it looks like here's the basic and then here's

[01:47:22] some extended model i see where you're going death troopers scare of sand troopers sand troopers

[01:47:27] and brown stretches of blue and brown all the other variation suits were seemingly on this one

[01:47:32] base they all die so that they wipe them out and then they're like fuck we just now we got to stick

[01:47:36] with the basic white i know that the entry level model i know that with these movies like there's

[01:47:41] always someone who's like well there's toys right there'll be some toys right yeah and so there's

[01:47:47] this half-hearted effort what's it is it a v-wing or a u-wing or something some kind of yeah and

[01:47:51] there's a tie striker there's a tie striker you see like one of these on each side like there's

[01:47:57] like a little bit but like not enough where it would be like then you'd be like hey where did

[01:48:01] the fucking the v-wings go they were useful it's a u-wing yeah where were those you wings at uh when

[01:48:07] you're attacking uh the death star i was like bad news they only made two of them that was the prototype

[01:48:13] and if it went well they were going to make more and then they just very the prototype but so i mean

[01:48:17] i understand again someone out there is just like toys though yeah we need new drooper new ships

[01:48:23] and the death troopers look very cool i like them really like the ss or whatever right too bad

[01:48:27] they don't exist anymore r.i.p all right it's probably good actually i think the death troopers are bad

[01:48:33] uh not like as people yeah i think they're bad people yeah yeah um that was an immersion

[01:48:38] day spotlight sure and uh you know i like this final moment of um jinn and uh casian

[01:48:47] it's great deep impact yeah yeah there's nothing they can do they just stare off into the horizon

[01:48:52] he says like your father would have been proud of you yeah uh they don't kiss they kind of hold each

[01:48:58] other i love the death though because it's like you don't see them get blown up you just see the light

[01:49:03] coming up by light yes very good i agree i like that a lot and then you cut to a pretty in my

[01:49:10] opinion terrific and in your opinion not i really disliked this right uh terrific scene of essentially

[01:49:18] like the last minutes which is like they get the plants they put it on the disk drive there the guys

[01:49:23] with those dorky white hats i liked all of this it was just literally the last moment you didn't

[01:49:27] like leah and i like that they do kind of the um the the setup of what becomes the opening of

[01:49:35] star wars where it's just like darth vaders could do this series of like breaking through doors

[01:49:39] with all the guys standing at the other end right with their guns ready but it's even more

[01:49:44] nightmarish because the lights all go out right and then he ignites his lightsaber he starts just

[01:49:49] tearing into pieces i love how easy it is for him like he's like yeah oh yeah all right sure there

[01:49:54] was a moment where i thought they were gonna end the movie and i like storytelling symmetry right

[01:49:59] there was a moment where i thought they were gonna end the movie literally with the rebel troopers

[01:50:03] waiting with the gun which i thought would have been really cool could have been cool but

[01:50:07] i like all of this stuff though uh and but you know as vaders just murdering these people

[01:50:13] one of them like squeezes through a little crack in the door and like someone else grabs the thing

[01:50:18] they get on a ship the ship blasts out of the bigger ship it's the tantive for love that ship again

[01:50:24] we see that that hot hot white hallway so white and this gets the most important thing we have

[01:50:29] to discuss mr smith yeah i mean he's not on the tantive unfortunately but we have both the

[01:50:35] smith ship and smith yeah and i'll say this movie has great design right yeah but still

[01:50:42] when we get to the interior of that ship yeah i'm like you are the best looking thing in the entire

[01:50:45] movie you're like this david and i it was like we had just both uncorked a bottle of coca-cola

[01:50:54] took a sip and went fizzin all green and blue tantive for tantive for blasts out of there

[01:51:01] someone hands the disc over to leia see leia from reverse and then you see one mostly

[01:51:08] sort of still shot of her you know like her character doesn't move much which is to me

[01:51:12] why the cgi looks better they go what is this and she goes it's hope what are they giving us and she

[01:51:16] says it's hope and then like literally like directed by garith edwards like they you know that's it

[01:51:20] that's the last line there's this idea of it being rushed it's not i think that is very intentional

[01:51:25] like this you know like no i think it's the finally like that you know we've been watching

[01:51:29] like the fuse get lit and finally like it's sort of you know i think it's the right last line

[01:51:33] i wouldn't have showed her face i think the cgi is a lot less unforgiving on her than tarquin

[01:51:38] again because she doesn't move has a bunch of wrinkles so it's easier to like texturize that

[01:51:43] whereas with her they're trying to make it a very young person with a very smooth face

[01:51:47] which makes it look more plasticky and i think they are trying to get a more complicated

[01:51:53] expression out of her even though it's just for one moment sure because all tarkin has to do is

[01:51:57] just kind of like stand there and look disapprovingly like it's his neutral face it's like his

[01:52:01] his resting tarkin face right but this it's like the sly little half smile and i think it looks

[01:52:07] creepy and uncanny i disagree yeah it was cool i think maybe it visually yeah we know right it's

[01:52:14] cgi but it gave me goosebumps right and movies are supposed to make you feel things and i felt good

[01:52:21] the ending itself gave me goosebumps the line itself gave me goosebumps i wish they had

[01:52:26] had her deliver it uh with her back turned to the camera disagree i like to just fine

[01:52:31] okay let's talk about jimmy smiths and now you've been waiting ladies and gentlemen passengers no jimmy

[01:52:38] smiths jimmy smiths in passengers no could have been though maybe his spirit in it right in if you

[01:52:48] found we hid one jimmy smiths in passengers a la wears waldo and if you find it will send you

[01:52:53] a free blank check blanket yeah so jimmy smiths he first shows up at an earlier scene in at

[01:52:59] yavin four right where they're all just talking and then suddenly he just kind of leans in like to the

[01:53:04] to the computer desktop and they're like bailed do you have anything to say and he's like oh no no

[01:53:07] sorry i just want to listen don't go on and the music kind of swells and griffin went like turn

[01:53:11] to me was like and then he then they cut and griffin was like a christmas morning face like i was

[01:53:16] so excited i was like the nintendo 64 kid and then cut away and you went don't worry don't

[01:53:20] worry yeah and you gave me a sort of what the f*** and i sort of gave you a door there's more

[01:53:24] there's more smiths he gets a smiths moment he gets a good scene he gets solo card billing

[01:53:29] he does what was he like probably like nine third tenth bill i think like eight the billing i believe

[01:53:34] was philissey jones dago luna diego luna ben mendelson ben mendelson alan tutik donnie yen oh donnie

[01:53:40] yen then tutik alan tutik then mad no no no mad mickle sin then alan tutik oh interesting

[01:53:45] i'm pretty sure mad was fifth mad's got pretty high billing yeah yeah he did he was in dr strange

[01:53:50] though uh riz akmed yeah with jung wen he got the width yeah and far as Whitaker there's a smiths

[01:53:57] in that smiths smiths i think after riz akmed yes yeah yeah and was there a james old jones

[01:54:03] has the voice of darth vayne and james old jones right he gets a yeah those are the people who get

[01:54:07] their own billing though and then uh and then you've probably some split cards for like jenna

[01:54:10] viva riley yeah she got a split i think she got two or three uh there's you know there's some

[01:54:15] other people now griffin do you remember uh how we we got excited because we thought we had cited a

[01:54:23] favorite character for the prequel oh my god but it the head was a little bit of a different design

[01:54:29] there was a moment in a crowded scene i think when they're on the uh the the planet where they have to

[01:54:34] do the the jail escape where i saw the most lovely taut slender yep protocol droid body

[01:54:42] in sleep silver sure and i i grabbed ben's arm no no no you can fucking do you go fucking do it

[01:54:49] and pans up and it's got this weird oblong head hey man no tc 14 as we know although you will not

[01:54:55] admit it tc 14 perished when the uh trade federation ship was blown up come on didn't happen on screen

[01:55:01] it's not canon i don't care what the fuck you say she's still alive i know it you need a literal

[01:55:06] shot of her going like oh the ship was up around her and i need a doctor checking her pulse and going

[01:55:12] she's a robot she's gone she she doesn't have she could breathe in space or she doesn't have to breathe

[01:55:16] maybe she floated and and made her way home yeah true even the k-t torso even has a joke about that

[01:55:22] she's alive just like both my grandparents they're just taking lung naps in their graves

[01:55:27] i didn't see them die so i just know they're in a box they're just taking a nap in a box

[01:55:30] that's fine people do that we're almost done here yeah let's do a performance review just to

[01:55:35] sort of boost oh no should we do any more smiths talk did the box office yeah it seemed to open well

[01:55:41] on Thursday night i think it's gonna make like 180 yeah yeah i'm gonna do well yeah it's gonna do more

[01:55:44] like big movie well not like force awakens oh my god colossal world stopping event

[01:55:50] world uh smiths is uh really goodness i like his scene he has essentially the scene where

[01:55:55] mom moth takes him to sign she's like you know remember that journey he's like uh yes yeah he

[01:56:00] served me in the clone war and he's like i know exactly where to hide that like i know i know who

[01:56:05] to give it i'll send for him and she's like you gotta trust this person he's like i would trust her

[01:56:09] with my life yeah he gives us sort of a but also he's going to aldaran yes uh to sort of say

[01:56:15] you know and that's too bad he's like all i hand the things over and then i got to take a quick

[01:56:19] vacation in aldaran we know what's gonna happen on aldaran what happens in aldaran gets blown

[01:56:23] up by the death star are you sure it's not just taking a nap in the grave might be we'll see

[01:56:29] so it is i almost wish mom moth was like nah don't go to aldaran he's like you're right

[01:56:34] and when he wasn't dead that'd be great if the movie established that everyone thought

[01:56:38] the bellagona wasn't aldaran and then once it blew up he was like oh this is a chance

[01:56:41] to reinvent myself and she was like just opened a bar don't go there right and then in

[01:56:45] episode eight he's like you have just like incredibly old smiths or he's like hey guys

[01:56:51] i changed my i changed my name to jack smoke

[01:56:55] he's got like a grace you know in a top place yeah an outer rim top of play yeah but he's really

[01:57:02] goodness uh he looks great um it's really interesting because this is like the first time

[01:57:07] they've really embraced uh well i mean it's only the second movie and a cathleen candy thing

[01:57:12] but they're really embracing the prequel stuff not fully but like you know just saying like

[01:57:16] we're not gonna pretend that the guy they're gonna shy away from them you know and this is

[01:57:19] like we got jimmy smith he's dressed the same way we got the kyber crystals and shit like that

[01:57:24] it's all kind of they're tying the room together in that way this movie feels more like a

[01:57:30] statement of intent than a movie in and of itself it's just like get ready

[01:57:33] star wars movies are going to start being different types of things now so here's

[01:57:37] a template for what it could be

[01:57:40] here's some well-realized battles here's some answers to some questions previously

[01:57:44] we're gonna do like a star court movie yeah but i want to give ben his little soapbox just because

[01:57:50] ben loved the movie so much and we've been talking so much okay i and i've been saying a lot of negative

[01:57:54] things or just you know middling things i'd love to let ben argue his case for the movie okay listeners

[01:58:00] guys this is what you you know want from a star wars movie right you want to sort of feel

[01:58:08] like excited for the universe feel like a kid again be immersed in it right and it never

[01:58:12] has looked better than i feel like this movie does i love the the characters uh like just the designs

[01:58:21] i love like getting lost in and and yeah the different planets um i got excited i i got sad

[01:58:30] i didn't feel like i was bogged down by again the mythology the like you know the silliness of

[01:58:36] Han Solo's son and all this other silly crap from Awakens like it was just sort of straightforward

[01:58:42] here's some badass people are gonna do some badass shit well put ben uh i will certainly see this movie

[01:58:49] a second time and i hope i i liked it more now yeah i actually uh this leads me to uh you know my

[01:58:55] classic segment which is on the record with ben your classic yes a classic no but wait i thought

[01:59:00] on the record had to be for when like it's for the future episode well i'm making a prediction

[01:59:04] let's hear what he's gonna say okay i predict griffin's going to see this movie

[01:59:08] probably not even just once but twice okay so at least by the third viewing he's gonna

[01:59:13] fucking be obsessed with this and completely change his mind about it interesting look it's happened

[01:59:18] before oh it's gonna happen again first time i saw ratatouille it was probably my second least

[01:59:24] favorite Pixar movie and now it's it's in the top three for me you know that's crazy why was it

[01:59:30] your least favorite i saw and i was like that's fine when i saw ratatouille i literally burst

[01:59:34] into tears which i don't usually with pixar movie tears what's weird i was i i felt kind of disengaged

[01:59:39] from that movie but cried at the moment when antony goes as he's the best chef in paris because i like

[01:59:43] when people achieve their dreams but then i saw it the second time and i was like oh shit and now

[01:59:48] literally every time i see the movie it gets four times better than it was the previous time

[01:59:51] movies have grown on me especially in franchises or with creators that i'm very connected to

[01:59:56] and their expectations tied to it i don't think i was overloading this movie but i don't

[01:59:59] be able to take a couple times for me to connect maybe it's just not my star wars movie

[02:00:04] i'd like to know that i made a thing david made a really he made like a face that made me look

[02:00:09] stupid it was like a face i can't i don't have to describe it other than it was gonna cut you

[02:00:13] to the core it cut me to the core it cut straight to the bone ben i like that there's no cute

[02:00:20] bullshit in this movie yeah even the little guys are tough yeah they're shooting at stuff

[02:00:26] i keep me you're like yeah there's no cute movie i'll admit when we were exit i mean oh no

[02:00:31] yeah i'll admit it you know i'll say when we're exiting the press screening it was ester and

[02:00:35] richard like they're all dead like and uh after uh some some of my co-workers of the

[02:00:40] alana who have young children who like star wars but are like six or seven yeah we're like can

[02:00:45] can he see roug one and i was kind of like man you know i know they depends on the kid i

[02:00:50] you know depends on the kid like on the one hand like yeah because it's the new star wars so

[02:00:54] they should probably see it because like i feel like everyone's seeing it the other hand like this

[02:00:58] is not really a movie for six year olds so i don't know if they'll love it you know don't

[02:01:02] know if they'll love it although it does have like lasers also it's not for them it's our movie

[02:01:06] no every movie's for everyone no it's not come on stop this is what this is we're gonna get into

[02:01:11] the fucking jar jar if you think that way um Ben is right that this movie was made only for ben

[02:01:16] true it was ben's movie and it does say at the end of the movie dedicated to ben haasley aka the

[02:01:21] which was weird and they knew all by nick names yeah so i guess they really asked i love this podcast

[02:01:26] can he emailed him was just like what are his names get you just write them out for me yeah um they've

[02:01:31] got to add dirt bike benny though because i like that one and i feel like you know maybe when

[02:01:35] they release it physically right which shall add it in for roug too i will say one of my co-workers

[02:01:40] said that his kid was pretty upset because he had recently watched liam nissen die in the phantom

[02:01:44] menace and i was like man if that got to him like i don't know you want to lose 10 friends

[02:01:49] at once all right so performance review you want to i mean i just feel like we're gonna pass everybody

[02:01:54] right you know what let's try it the fans like it let's try it felicity jones i mean you can give her

[02:02:04] a fail i don't think the character works but i i don't want to blame that on her you can blame

[02:02:09] whatever i think she's a good actor she holds a frame well you know i think she's got an amazing

[02:02:14] emotional reserve i heard some people complaining about her performance i just i think

[02:02:18] her character feels the one that was most pass or fail i give her a very very soft fail

[02:02:25] all right i give her a pass tiebreaker of course pass great uh this that's why this will be fun

[02:02:34] diega luna soft pass but once again i think it's the character he was limited in how much he could

[02:02:39] do with it and just to be clear to our listeners pass in this means good they get a passing great

[02:02:45] or a fail we like to make things as confusing as possible diega luna pass alan tutek well ben

[02:02:50] i want to heal me for the tiebreaker you're just okay okay all right right i forgot i'm sorry alan

[02:02:54] tutek a pass definitely definite pass yeah donnie yen a hard pass hard pass again that's why it's

[02:03:01] so weird because that usually means that you're rejected no that's the joke uh jung wen wen jung

[02:03:07] is baze now i mean pass i you know i'm tempted to give him a hard pass just because i like the

[02:03:11] character so much it's not like it's like an amazing performance i think it's a great cool

[02:03:15] fucking guy great gun good jumpsuit i think it's great ben mendelssohn amazing name a hard pass yes

[02:03:21] great actor one of our finest farce woodaker hard pass maybe my favorite performance in the movie

[02:03:25] interesting weird me too but i mean not my favorite but pass reza Ahmed hard pass i read an interview

[02:03:31] with him where he said that he felt like they were asking about developing the character and he

[02:03:35] was like well the character ended up playing was different than what i originally was playing

[02:03:39] it feels like the movie kind of forgets him at a certain point there's more to that character

[02:03:43] more of an arc that doesn't really don't quite get there right but i think he's an excellent actor

[02:03:48] madz michelson uh i give him a huge pass i really love him though he is one of those actors for me

[02:03:54] where he could just read yeah that's i mean i give him a soft pass but it's just a steady hand

[02:03:57] it's a good hands behind the wheel yeah oh who's this this name is interesting to me jimmy smith

[02:04:02] the hardest of passes all right now this is that you forget this is the fun part of the

[02:04:08] performance of you is after okay after the the the rain is gone yeah allister petrie he plays general

[02:04:15] draven he's the the guy who tells uh cassian to kill you know he's kind of like the boss yeah fail

[02:04:23] you're gonna fail him i'm gonna fail him well alie petrie what do you think david i liked him

[02:04:28] ben he was good rebel pass pass okay he was in like the night manager come on come on the night

[02:04:36] manager next next jenny vivo riley pass pass yeah i like her um ben daniels he plays general maric

[02:04:45] is that the mon calamari you know what it is there's a jet black mon kenal marie in this film yeah

[02:04:52] he's kind of like a totally different kind of calamari guy right um so i'm on the record saugarer

[02:04:59] is my favorite performance for swediker this is my favorite character in the world yeah well do you

[02:05:03] have a whole eternity saugarer this guy in bez malibus all right maybe the little guy little guy

[02:05:09] yeah i just don't know little guy's name yet uh yeah i'm not sure we're gonna learn little guy's name

[02:05:14] today yeah uh ian macklehoney general dodona he's he's standing there big beard fail wow

[02:05:21] beard wasn't big enough i'll give him a pass i give everyone a pass then you're right

[02:05:28] i he got me with the beard fail hey james orl jones voice of darth vader uh pass yeah pass yeah he's

[02:05:39] he's really got a grip on that one we've talked about the story where he for the first star wars

[02:05:44] movie they were like uh they needed someone to do voice work because it was really gonna be david

[02:05:48] proud of the voice and they went to him and he was like had a gambling problem and his career hadn't

[02:05:53] taken off and they were like the films like we're he was an oscar nominee right but he wasn't doing

[02:05:58] well yeah at that moment and he was kind of cash strapped and the movie was kind of cash

[02:06:02] strapped they were like we don't have money left over we could only pay you like four thousand

[02:06:06] dollars uh or we can give you one percent of the movie uh and he was like i need four

[02:06:11] thousand dollars in hand james old jones could have made like three hundred million i mean

[02:06:16] i think he's doing fine but he could have been yeah but it's a fun what if valaine cane she plays

[02:06:21] lycea lyra lyra urso jin's mother oh i liked her pass pass good at shooting a gun pass bo gadson

[02:06:31] she plays baby jinn urso she also played young princess margaret this year on the crown is

[02:06:37] that the character is the character named baby jinn urso young jen okay because i was gonna fail

[02:06:41] her if it was a baby because she's older than a baby true if she was attempting to play a baby i was

[02:06:46] gonna give her a fail as it is i think she's a good scared child pass i agree daniel maize who is a

[02:06:53] mike lee veteran he's in tons of mike lee movies he's uh you know he was in tinton oh as a pirate

[02:07:00] oh he's in stuff he is the informant uh tivok uh uh wait who's tivok the informant that uh

[02:07:10] gets shot at the beginning of the movie um okay i mean uh fail i just realized we've been going for a

[02:07:19] while yeah i think that's enough yeah i think that's the end of the in in in conclusion uh the performance

[02:07:26] review went really well and we're definitely gonna keep it in the podcast great uh merchandise spotlight

[02:07:31] 90 of products you will buy in the next month have star wars on them merchandise spotlight you

[02:07:36] could buy literally anything you took a fancy to in this movie like the wall yeah they got the wall

[02:07:42] yeah but also like when my fucking bathroom was broken recently and i had like construction workers

[02:07:46] coming by the other day i found a bunch of empty star wars water bottles in my apartment okay and

[02:07:51] it's not like these guys are star wars fans they just went to a bodega and we're like what's the

[02:07:54] cheapest water you have and it's just got a fucking star wars label on it that's good yeah so have

[02:08:00] fun all the merchandise in the world i looked for anything weird and there's nothing that i couldn't

[02:08:04] find anything super interesting maybe i'll retcon this later david's tired i'm a little tired i'm hungry

[02:08:10] i'm glad i ate before i had some peanut i need to eat now uh thank you all for listening please remember

[02:08:17] to rate review and subscribe yes do do that uh we'll be off for a couple weeks in terms of new

[02:08:23] episodes but we'll be serving you a couple best ofs of the star wars era come january get back

[02:08:28] into those those crazy episodes yeah no we're off for christmas and new years but then we'll

[02:08:33] be back baby we're gonna best us we're gonna split yeah and have the blanky awards yeah but and uh volume

[02:08:40] two and uh pod me if you cast pod me if you cast the films of steven spielberg in the dream works

[02:08:46] era will be starting at the end of january all right guys thanks that was fun rogue one good go see it

[02:08:52] yeah oh and let's do the necessary shout out uh i'm gonna miss pronounce his name but dom

[02:08:57] simicola so yeah absolutely uh who writes a piss magazine and recently named us humble brag

[02:09:03] best movie podcast of the year best movie podcast of 2016 it's a great honor got choked up reading that

[02:09:09] maybe that's why i was less emotionally invested in robed one because i'd already shed all my tears

[02:09:13] of pride correct uh but we're number one baby um i think it all started with a twitter

[02:09:21] exchange wato though okay no wato in this movie all right let's go no wato true he's dead probably

[02:09:32] david i'm not i haven't seen a body that's fair he's alive he's alive in it good i gotta be he's hanging

[02:09:40] out with my grand pa rossie okay and as always this podcast is wise and forever shall be pro smiths

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