Sense and Sensibility with Shirley Li

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to express All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check Have you really been to the East Indies, Colonel? I have. What's it like?

[00:00:27] The air is full of podcasts. What is he? I'm sorry, what? What happened at the end? The air is full of podcasts. Is Barry Corbin in town? Okay, so I spent the entire time watching this movie trying to work on my recommend

[00:00:49] because every time he comes on screen it's like, I can do this, right? And that was the result? I realized the only way I can do it... The air is full of spices. I had it a second ago, better.

[00:01:00] The only way I can do recommend is, is recommend under water. Which is? I'm trapped under water. I'm trapped under water. Water, why me stuck under the bath? Rounding Harry Potter. The water is stuck under the bath. He doesn't say Harry then. He says Mr. Potter. Mr. Potter.

[00:01:20] I can't tell you in this movie too. Who the fuck are you talking to? Potter. Expelliarmus. Still waiting on your term paper, Potter. The Dark Lord. I know how I'm losing it. It's so specific. Yeah, you do need to know. I love everybody.

[00:01:40] Did I tell you that kids used to do that to me and say now I couldn't talk? They used to put their hands over my nose. Why? Because Americans talked through their nose. What? What are you talking about? I just want to get that out of the way.

[00:01:54] Out of the way. Got to bump this mic up. Hello everybody, my name is Griffin Newman. I'm David Sims. This is a podcast called Blank Check with Griffin and David. Where we talk about filmography. So massive success early on in their career.

[00:02:10] Given series of Blank checks make whatever crazy passion projects they want. Sometimes they clear and sometimes they bounce. Baby. Potter. Sometimes they bounce. Potter. You really can't handle the R. I can't. You're struggling on the R. Rubob, never rub another man's rubob. Potter. Can you get closer?

[00:02:36] Even closer. How will I just shit my pants? For your guys. It's getting worse. Yeah, it's getting bad. Mr. Potter. Remember. Seeing Damon Wayne's doodras. I don't even know what it is now. Oh god, we're all drinking out of mugs?

[00:02:56] Except for me, I'm drinking out of a plastic bottle. You want a mug? No, I'm fine. We start recording 45 minutes after the schedule time. That's just typical. 20 minutes of that were me having diarrhea. And then there was some heated discussion.

[00:03:10] Although we forgot to discuss the one thing that's now happening. We're recording episodes way in advance. We're banking them up. This is the first we're doing of the Ang Lee mini series. But not the first one you're listening to.

[00:03:20] And we didn't decide what the name of the mini series is. It's Dave and Griffin's. Griffin Dave's podcast time walk. That's what it's called. That sounds like nonsense. Well, he's the one who called a goddamn movie. Billy Lin's long after.

[00:03:34] I don't know if it's because of the way he talks. I don't know if it's because of the way he talks. I don't know if it's because of the way he talks. Billy Lin's long after. That sounds like magnetic fridge poetry. But half time sounds like cast time.

[00:03:46] But half time sounds like cast time. It's sitting right there. It's sitting right there. I mean, what are the sweaty ones? Crouching pod hitting cast. Crouching pod hitting cast. No, that's crappy isn't it? I guess so. Broke pod mount cast. Pot of cast. That's the problem. Remember that.

[00:04:10] What was the... Broke pod mount cast? That's not bad. Eat pod drink cast. No, it's eat drink. Eat drink man woman. So it has to be like eat pod man. Eat podcast man woman. Can't you do... No, this is sweaty too. Ride with the podcast. Potting casts.

[00:04:37] Pod casting. We could go off a whole thing. It could just be called podcast. What if it was eat, drink, pod, cast? There are no commas. Oh fuck, never mind that. You're fucking with another language at this point. I think it's broke pod mount cast.

[00:04:55] What about ride with the podcast? Podcast with the devil? Are you guys doing that one? We're doing them all. We do them all. Academic quotes for that episode. Oh, how have you know that the basement on our episodes is just high enough to validate us being completists? Correct.

[00:05:19] We've tested this because we've done movies that no one should fucking watch. And we've had a breakthrough point now where at least some people listen to the movies that people haven't seen. I listened to Way to Water. I was about to say that's a real perfect example.

[00:05:33] Those are two of the hottest in the game. Hi Karen. Hey Karen. How you doing? I'm eating a gummy bear on mic. It's probably the worst sounding thing I've ever eaten on mic. I like broke pod mount cast. I think that's good. Let's go with that.

[00:05:53] It's broke pod mount cast. And this has been thrilling for people to listen to because they've already known the name of the miniseries for two episodes. It's July right now. Would you want to flip it though? Sounds like you're breaking your pod. Mounting your cast.

[00:06:07] Broke pod mount cast. Well you know what, that's how it works. Flip it. How would you flip it? So pod back. Castain. Castain. Pod back mount cast isn't bad. Pod back mount cast. Should we start over versus broke pod mount cast? Yeah pod back mount cast. Pod back.

[00:06:31] Versus broke pod. Broke back was the thing that everyone said. They shortened it to broke back. So I think back is more important to keep in there. Pod back mount cast. Pod back mount cast Mr. Potter Mr. Potter Um so this of course Going somewhere again.

[00:06:51] Going to pod back mount cast Mr. Potter Am I evil? As we all know this is pod back mount cast. And today we're talking about It's the films of Ang Lee. It's the films of Ang Lee. Two time Academy Award winner. Three time.

[00:07:09] Two. Cause he gets the trophy for foreign film. The country is given the trophy. So it's not his. Two time best director winner. Like Taiwan can let him have it I think. But the trophy is always given to the country not the filmmaker.

[00:07:23] And let me tell you Taiwan lets him have it. I did not get off his case. Like when you know Why don't you write? Why don't you call anymore? When the nomination is it's like It's like Crouching Tiger Jack and Taiwan

[00:07:35] And then they'll be like this is Taiwan's first Oscar The director is always the one who gets to come up on stage. The director gets to come up cause he can't The whole country can't I mean think about it.

[00:07:47] That's some bum fucking deal that you work so hard for this movie And then the country is like but Remember who birthed you I mean Imagine if I won an Oscar and then my dad was like Uh uh uh Remember where you came from

[00:08:01] Give me a piece of that My balls Let's see what you say. And the Oscar goes to My balls My man My balls nothing but respect for My balls Great episode. Ben lets cancel it Let's cancel the whole thing Ben can you just kill us both Right now

[00:08:23] Well after yesterday's recording session I think I might Yesterday's might have been the worst thing we've ever done It was Over three hours with you guys But we were in good moods Yeah Challenge accepted We were charming Um we're not even going to say which episode

[00:08:43] That was so we'll leave it to you guys to guess Yeah it came out either Uh two years ago where we'll come out Five years from now Or I buried it with your bodies Somewhere The raw audio footage

[00:08:57] We've been dead for a decade by the time this episode Comes out We have a great guest who's been doing such a good job speaking Before we introduce you Doing my best I mean we used to work together I don't know You just called me your intern

[00:09:13] Yeah you were an intern I was your direct superhero Unbelievable No I was not your direct superior We worked together Mostly I would just slack you and be like is anyone else in the office And you'd be like no It's just me

[00:09:29] And I'd be like great I'm not coming in Well but then later on I'd be like no come in there's people And you were still not coming in And then they took my desk away They did And then they finally did come in

[00:09:43] And I was like where's my desk Hey listeners Don't say eww When you hear the name of this guest Say EW Cause it's entertainment weekly zone Shirley Lee Don Pardo came back for some Nassim Pedram Melissa Villa Senor I wish she was around to say that name

[00:10:05] He would have made a real album That would have been five minutes Melissa Villa Senor Musical guest Sizzle There's so many things He would have been running wild with Right now God Who was that country guy on recently Where I was like I saw his name

[00:10:30] And I was like is this like a hip hop guy Stapleton? No Chris Stapleton? Is that right? Yeah that sounds right He had like a big beard I never know who the musicians are anymore Do you know? Are you a hip... Remember when Taylor dropped

[00:10:48] 1999 and we spent all day in the office Say 1999 1989 It was hard to shake that one off It was hard to It was hard to shake that one off Merchant Polk No do you remember that And it was piece six The french leak Remember piece six

[00:11:10] We had a good day We had a blast that day This is Shirley Lee Entertainment Weekly I am now, oh by the time this comes out I am a staff writer Special guest Shirley Lee Musical guest They're train smokers No I refuse Imagine dragons

[00:11:34] See that's the thing if part of what I was saying it We really would imagine those dragons We'd be like oh man imagine them When Hammond says it it sounds like A request Imagine dragons John Rodnitzky John No, forget it He's gone What's the new guy? Lucas Neff

[00:11:56] No Neff is Raising Hope Love that guy Do you know he was supposed to be the titular good dinosaur And the good dinosaur Yeah, wasn't good enough They cast a six year old I think that's like literally It's literally like that movie to then just start children

[00:12:14] Shirley, welcome to the podcast Thank you so much for being here Thank you for having me But now you work at EW So I'm no longer working for you And you move out to LA EW is going to Lalo Land We're in Nike Nike land

[00:12:30] But soon it'll be in Lalo Land We gotta sneak you in here Weeho Spa Shirley's moving to Weeho She's a Weeho gal Okay what EWeeho I don't know It will Sounds like something from Avatar Wait a second But how do we hope What

[00:12:52] Hey, when you kill him can you bring him back Kill him again, you know double kill How do we home That's our new bit now If we say something not funny You just add Mr. Potter And you have to just gargle your way through As he's being drowned

[00:13:12] Like that's if Harry went wild He starts killing me You know like that's why that would have gone Can we just have a bottle Of mouthwash in here So anytime I want to do Alan Rickman I can take a swig Sure, great put that on the

[00:13:28] Per diem budget Like Chick has a big per diem budget But we had to sneak you in here You're moving like a week from when we record Yeah, two weeks And also Shirley's got a lot of rivals In the audio boom so you had to sneak her past

[00:13:42] That's true Yeah Shirley's going to Weeho But before she does Wee We have to knock some sense into her Some sense and Sense of ability Your host sense With musical guest Sense of ability That was Some fucking solid gold shit My friends, my god Oh my god

[00:14:10] That was amazing My brother Jamesy and I used to do this bit When my parents went out and they asked Like us to loosely look after Our sister My sister Romley, well because she's She was much younger than us

[00:14:24] And when it wasn't like hey you have to baby sip it 30 minutes can you look after her We would do this bit with the landlines Where we would go into one room and we'd call There were two lines on the phone

[00:14:34] So we'd call the main line off the second line And we knew that Romley would pick up And then we'd pretend to be Don Pardo Did she get that And she'd go Romley It's Don Pardo And she'd be like how

[00:14:48] Clean up your room and she didn't know what it was But she'd go I hate you Don Pardo Stop it Don Pardo You're haunting me Oh well What a class actually is Yeah one of the best in the world Alright Well thank you all for listening

[00:15:06] Please remember to remember to Shut up Mr. Potter The fourth film From Ang Lee Fourth film but first English language film It's actually a film with an amazing Development process I read a lot about it Did you read a lot about it Shirley? I did I studied somewhat

[00:15:26] First screenplay By Emma Thompson Emma T Her name is not that Lindsay Duran Okay had the last name right Colleen Duran is a comic book artist That sounds right I knew that name was familiar Yes She had A kind of miracle around in the 80's

[00:15:48] Really good fucking run as a producer Let me go through some of those Movies that she produced Ferris Bielos Day Off Boom A naked gun Pretty in pink Ghost And then she makes a movie called Dead Again With Emma Thompson And Carol Branagh

[00:16:12] She did on her and she used that For her love actually performance I've been reading the headlines today I knew that already She talked about it Yeah Branagh He left her for her Howard's And castmate Helena Bottom Carter And then Helena Bottom Carter left him For Tim Burton

[00:16:32] Which was kind of like everyone's like He got Branagh Who is he with now Kenny? He's married to the Orient Express He's married to the Orient Express Spouse Lindsay Bronek We're married for 14 years 15 years I'm a team at her Second husband on this film Greg Wise

[00:16:54] Who is Holly She traded up But Branagh But Greg Wise is hotter now because if he has this like soul patch now it's not good Yeah not a good decision And Thompson had sort of come to Hollywood together Because he was this like wonderkin

[00:17:08] Everyone went oh he's the next Orson Welles The next delivery He's directing and starring the Spielberg Spielberg Shakespeare adaptations Steven Spielberg's Give me the gummies back You ate so many They come together You can go To hell I'm going to a wee It's another name for hell Lollaland

[00:17:36] So they land in Hollywood together They make a big splash Jesus Christ Can't you get that one Ben? Do you want to make me drop some audio after that one? That was so good What did you do? C&C Music Factory You suck David Celebrate good times

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[00:21:14] Because Emma Thompson comes to Prominence in the States As this very serious actress In these Tony literary films I'm talking about Emma And the last is that she started out in Sketch comedy She did like almost any bridge She can do it all Hugh Laurie Steven Fry

[00:21:31] Emma Thompson They were treading those boards together In Cambridge Sketches, laughs, make them up Because Cambridge Footlights It's kind of like Harvard lamp here And you know it's like Oh the smart schools got the funny people You know they get to have everything

[00:21:45] But yeah she was very famous I believe they won the Pariette Award I believe they did Which is a big deal So push forward to the 90s She's viewed as a serious actress She's got a couple nominations under her belt She's one best actress She won, yeah In 1992

[00:21:58] I mean for Howard Zinn But while this transition is happening Lindsay Duran Yeah Has started revisiting a promise She made to herself as a young girl If I ever make a career in Hollywood If I'm ever to become a successful producer I want to adapt sense and sensibility

[00:22:17] Her favorite book and you know Austin not in style No Very much not in style Prior to the sort of Austin revival This is the Austin revival Same year as the BBC Pride and Prejudice Which is like both of those sort of Make it cool again

[00:22:32] Ends with Jane Austen's Mafia And Persuasion was also this year With Kieran Hins Yeah He is hot And that Thing Kieran Hine in the story Hello Steppenwolf So She goes It's time I took a day off I took a plane to train a automobile

[00:22:52] It's time for me to finally make Sense and sensibility I'm pretty in pink She's pretty in pink I'm a ghost Okay Jeez, come on No time for bits So She goes Who should I get to write this And she's scanning Looking far and wide for the right

[00:23:08] The right screenwriter When she sees Some of Emma Thompson's old sketches Sure And she goes This is tweaking That era The social moors of the time This is the modern Ben I need on So she goes to her and goes Can you write this? And she goes

[00:23:27] I'm not a screenwriter That's her, she'd never written a screen But eventually kind of chips away at her So she works on it Fine, I'll do it And for years You know like Crap, for years This really comes out in 95 I think she hired her in like 1990 One 1990

[00:23:43] Yeah, it spans the time of She hires her when she's an emerging actress And by the time the film's actually going into production She's won an Oscar Right, which is why she's in the movie Right, because originally she was not planning to be in it

[00:23:53] No, she's horribly miscast She's very good anyway But she's crazy wrong for the whole You know, she wanted it to be The Richardson sisters The Kearnhins Yes, right Yeah, she wanted Kearnhins to play both No, no, she wanted Steppenwolf As one And Kearnhins as the other

[00:24:06] So he would play both Yes But you know, Kearnhins as himself Yeah The younger What if the sequel to Justice League is Steppenwolf starting the Steppenwolf Theatre Company And then also he releases Born to Be Wild Yeah Dark Side, Metron, Orion They all start a theatre company

[00:24:26] Yeah, exactly Graney Goodness Big Barda I could keep going It's like this all the time No, I know Even off-mic Even worse off-mic This is restrained I mean, I was kind of nervous coming into this Because I was like, I'm going to be seeing them in the wild

[00:24:45] Yeah No, I'm getting it Getting in the cage of the lions We hang out all the time, sure You and I hang out, David Griffin, I've only known in like Very serious professional capacity Yes Breaking Big Yeah, Shirley came and did a piece on set of the tick

[00:24:58] And I was breaking big People kept on saying it on set They go, you gotta look at it And I go, you break them back You break them back, alright You break them back I'm gonna break them myself What a disaster Emma Thompson wanted the Richardson sisters

[00:25:11] Yes, she did Jolie and Natasha Right But by the time that the film was actually Getting a green light Emma Thompson was such a big movie star That they said, you gotta be in it Right, but didn't she also say that

[00:25:23] She kind of wanted to do it afterwards Because she was so immersed in the script And this would help her Approach it from an acting perspective Yeah, and it does kind of work Because The character's supposed to be 21 in the book Which if you saw a movie today

[00:25:38] Starting at 21-year-old And they put it on her for her as an old spinster You'd be like, what the fuck is going on It's appropriate in the book, yes Right, there are certain changes they made like that She talked about how she increased The level of their wealth

[00:25:51] So that the drop in lifestyle With the beginning there Easier to understand Yes Certain things she did for the modern prison Yeah, she tweaked things But you know, I've read that book It's a pretty, it's a good adaptation I've never read the book I've read them all

[00:26:05] Humble brag Are you an awesome actress? I am I haven't read them all though I haven't read her posthumous ones Lady Susan Lady Susan Lady Susan A girl who kicked the horn at Snares Yeah, I was on the posthumous one The castle that exploded or whatever

[00:26:22] No, in college I took a Jane Austen class Which in England Not like a particularly radical thing to do Wait, wait, wait You're confusing two stories here So you went to college But also you were in England At a different point in time On a vacation or something

[00:26:38] I thought we got this out of the way How you doing, Ben? I just know, clarify Yeah, we need to revisit it I grew up in England Which included attending university there Oh Newcastle University I believe Claire Lamont was my Jane Austen professor

[00:26:53] And it was if every class at college was 40 people So lectures were 40 And then you'd split up into little groups like five And I was the only boy There's 39 girls and me Wow Yeah That did you feel threatened? Yeah, exactly I felt like they were all ghostbusters

[00:27:11] You know I gotta say that kind of buster makes me feel bad So I read obviously when taking this class I read all of Austen's novels Yeah I'd read a couple of books At night point Claire was like, listen 39 women came up to you and said

[00:27:26] You better get it So lonely Yeah The one boy But it is So it is a pretty good adaptation I think so, yeah I think this is the best Austen film adaptation bar none Like I do think like You know the BBC Pride and Prejudice

[00:27:43] Many series is better But that has the advantage of being six hours long So you can really What do you think, Cheryl? Like I think I mean when I think about Austen adaptations I like the BBC Pride and Prejudice I like the BBC Emma Yeah I like Clueless

[00:27:56] The BBC Emma is good Yeah, yeah Clueless rules are so good Clueless is great You love Clueless It's like the movie I've seen more than any other movie Yeah But this one because it kick started It really I think it does Clueless the same year too

[00:28:07] Clueless the same year too Oh, crazy Yeah It was just kind of a master stroke To bring in someone from a comedy background Well, yes that But then also to bring in a director Who at the I think at this time barely spoke English

[00:28:22] Like certainly didn't know Austen very well No Well he went to school here He went to school here So he went to NYU But he wanted to be an actor at one point And his English wasn't good enough Yeah, interesting Yeah I didn't know that Handsome

[00:28:35] He would have been a nice actor Okay First why did I think that on the set of this He did not speak English very well I read some interview with him It wasn't like he had to speak through a translator He may have been

[00:28:44] He may have been being self-deprecating It's not like John Perrigine when he directed I couldn't communicate with people Alien resurrection literally couldn't speak to the cast I think this with Ang Lee He just didn't feel super comfortable in his English Like it was

[00:28:56] He was directing in a second language And it was very much a second language There's also a cultural There was also a cultural barrier Well right there's this Emma Thompson interview where she talks about how brutal he was Like and like Not you know

[00:29:07] And like I don't think Where he would just come up and be like Can you try and look less old? Yes Which I think is a really funny thing for someone to say to Yeah Or just come up and be like Boring That was boring But he also

[00:29:22] This is boring Boring It's my big note He said that In China the tradition is kind of like That the director is deferred to in all counts Yeah He's from Taiwan Yes The director is deferred to in all counts And so when he was on set

[00:29:40] And like Hugh Grant and Emma Thompson would go like Oh could I do this? He would feel like they were threatening his position Like they were disrespecting him Interesting So this is where he's learning to collaborate to There was a two-way street kind of thing

[00:29:53] Where both sides were like I haven't worked with someone who works like this before Apparently there was also a lot of meditation on set He likes He Wasn't it like he literally was like You need to chill out You seem really anxious

[00:30:05] He put like pillows on the floor And do breathing exercises The two things he said he was like Really big on with this movie were Emma Thompson said she's never worked with a director Who was more attuned to body language And he You know

[00:30:20] Likes a sort of unvarnished acting style And he was very interested in With a lot of classically trained theatrical actors Moving a certain heightened sense of needing to Sort of communicate, project You know not like literally project But Sort of very didactically

[00:30:43] Illustrate what they're feeling at all times That he wanted more behavioral performances Which these actors are not used to giving And also he wanted to break down their movie star personas Like he wanted them to just kind of exist Because Hugh Grant's performance in this is fascinating

[00:30:57] He told him to tone it down Yeah And he was like Tone it down you I mean again I'm sure he was really brutal and direct about it But no also this is the height also of Hugh being like all mannerism

[00:31:09] Like his four weddings is the year before Which is like oh well as you know Tony Gussman used to say You know like just like he takes like 500 years to arrive at a point And he's like the biggest star in the movie at this point

[00:31:19] He's like so hot at this moment That's probably true although you know Emma again Oscar winner blah blah blah And the grand was like just exploding People were all Any Hugh Grant they wanted it Right and it's like he's got a supporting part

[00:31:33] He took a big budget cut And Ang Lee was like also don't do any of your Hugh Grant shit Also Hugh I've got my eye on you Yeah right like watch it Also did you know where Emma Thompson was born? Paddington See I studied I told you Yes

[00:31:46] She grew up in Paddington Which is like now why hasn't she been in Paddington She should be the villain in Paddington Seems like an oversight Also the other thing about this movie is you're like Every like speaking of Alan Rickman

[00:31:57] Like everyone in this movie isn't fucking Harry Potter It's like so funny like even like the bat You know like Cornelius fudges in this movie Like where you're just like Jesus Like that's all Harry Potter was they'd be like

[00:32:08] Put on sensibility I'm sure we'll find another actor in there Let's pluck another one out of here Except for Hugh Grant Hugh Grant pointed the turn down Lockhart He was the first choice And he would have been good Instead they cast Kenneth Brown So they got Kenny

[00:32:21] Who's good? He's a good Lockhart He's funny in that movie He should go by Kenny B You know what You know what you're right He should be, yeah Put in some sex music right there Yeah but I'm thinking about it Ben's back on his phone

[00:32:33] The thing that's funny is when I make a suggestion to Ben And he has this resigned reaction where he's like That's probably good idea And then he actually types it out Yeah but he types it out He pecks it out Hugh Grant

[00:32:46] Yes I have a quote from England I want to read please Can I read it? Yeah please Okay give me a second I lost it Jesus Christ In some ways I probably know that 19th century world better Than English people today

[00:33:00] Because I grew up with one foot still in that feudal society Feudal Not feudal Of course the dry sense of humor The sense of decor And the social code is different But that essence of social repression against free will I grew up with that

[00:33:12] That's saying Lee's take on sense and sense Pretty smart Yeah he's been smart And I also think his sort of like Behavioral humanist style Helps strip this movie of some of the things That can make these films feel distant You know if you get too caught up

[00:33:30] In the sort of trappings of the era Rather than cutting through to the like human struggles Which he understood obviously because he came from A similar type of parallel society What do you think Shirley? I think that's true But I also think it shouldn't all

[00:33:45] You know go to You know the credit shouldn't all go to Ang Lee No It's also Emma's changes I feel like He really helped it And he said like I was a hire Right Like it was you know The movie started with those two The producer and Emma

[00:33:57] This is like a very smart collaboration Between two people who are on orthodox choices Who both brought really interesting things to it It is just crazy though It's like they're like This is kind of a risky movie You know written by a first time writer

[00:34:09] Who should we hire Well there's this like social comedy From Taiwan I liked You know it's like He's not somewhat like He had gotten two consecutive best Foreign film nominations That sounds right So he was like in that state that happened sometimes Yeah people are like

[00:34:22] Someone makes like a big foreign film They're like you want to come to Hollywood Try something out Right but not usually to do a Jane Austen movie Right Like usually a Jane Austen movie will be done by You know You're Michael Apted I know he never did one

[00:34:32] But you know what I mean like You're Mike Newells Right Exactly But even though Emma Thompson Middle of the road sort of British Journey man Director guy TV theater guys Who had sort of risen through their angst Even though Emma Thompson Become such a big movie star

[00:34:45] Everyone was like You can't make a film from a first time screenwriter Sure Like everyone was still holding that against them It also had kind of a big budget 16 million was like a decent size budget And that was because this was post little women That's right

[00:34:58] So they were like Oh good point They was pre-post Alright so now we've oriented ourselves Post little women Right Pre-post This episode is post little women Post post Yeah correct Post post But pre our little women episode Little women episode Who directed that one

[00:35:16] That wasn't Mike Newell right That was someone like that No Oh was it One of you two Oh it directed by a female director Right it's not Gillian Anderson is it No that's an actress I'm sorry but it's Gillian Arms Thank you Sorry Sorry Apology Accept it Okay

[00:35:35] Any Pascal is the one who gets this movie green light Cause she's got some juice at Sony at this time Yes And she goes like we should take the shot on this We should take the swing and it pays off handsome At Columbia yes

[00:35:46] It does pay off handsome movie was a hit And it got Oscar nominations And it sparked an ongoing Jane Austen trend Right That they've done But I feel like fluctuates It does fluctuate It'll come back but then it'll You're right And also then sometimes they're like

[00:36:01] Jane Austen biopic You know it's just like they're sort of out of books So they're like becoming Jane Are you into that And people are like Oh Right And the Jane Austen book club They keep trying like these pride and prejudice And zombies Yeah

[00:36:17] Like there's only one truly great Austen film And it's this one Mafia Oh right Cause then there's like Emma is like pretty good But you could just watch this again The Joe Wright Pride and Prejudice Is kind of I really like that movie

[00:36:32] I really like the Joe Wright one too But I feel like it also takes so many Cues from this one Exactly It's a pretty good movie that's ripping off this movie And then like taking the stuff out of it That's like to Jane Austen Yeah

[00:36:44] It also fucks up the ending in my opinion So extremely But whatever Yeah Is this because It's too like romantic He's like turning it into a Bronte movie When it shouldn't be You know what I mean Like it's too like And it's all orange

[00:36:55] But wasn't that an ending That only some audiences saw I don't know Pride and Prejudice one Yeah I feel like it was supposed to be Is there two endings Or is it like Clue No No no no It's just like the very last thing with Lizzie and Darcy

[00:37:11] Some people didn't see that Really? I could be lying You cut that out? Well it's just some additions were shown Cut it out Interesting Yeah yeah yeah Can you look this up on your laptop In the US release of the film Which is America Big country

[00:37:26] An additional last scene Where all of us grew up Outside of Pemberley happy together Crazy Did not know they didn't So that's even more insulting I was like Well the Americans get that they like each other McFadden's also kind of a web blanket in that movie

[00:37:41] I actually like him in that movie But he's playing that character right I like his sunrise stroll That's all I'll stand at I don't think he's bad The character's a fucking jerk And he's dialed into that Knightley's so good in that though She's good She is

[00:37:56] And I don't hate that movie I think it's a so-so Austin movie If that makes sense It's comforting It is, it's good watch Nice music This was So I was looking at This has some nice music This has some nice music Hello Patrick

[00:38:09] Right which is this is right after he does his Henry score And it kept on sounding like it was about to go into The big It scored though The big trailer music Yeah right yeah It's like constantly like teetering on that

[00:38:22] The thing I was going to say though is There was like a lot of controversy at the time That only didn't get nominated for Best Director Because this movie kind of like got Across the board nominations And he got The Golden Globe nomination And the DGA nomination

[00:38:34] So I was like who did he get replaced by And this is one of those years where All three of those didn't line up at all Because like Ron Howard wins the DGA But doesn't get nominated for the Oscar That is a weird year

[00:38:47] They know they Chris Noonan for Babe And Michael Radford for Il Postino Which is fucking dumb Right and then Figgis And then there's alone Gibson wins And then Figgis is a lone You know Figgis' movie was not a picture Nominee and there's another that was An actress

[00:39:03] There's another that's not a picture nominee An actor It's another actor director Another actor director Oh alright It's Tim Robbins for Deadman Walking Right his first Oscar nomination Yeah it's odd Very odd It's a weird year That to me that's crazy I don't think Noonan

[00:39:19] Is a worthy nominee in a lot of ways I definitely don't think Radford is I put Anglia above both of them Well then the other weird thing with Noonan And I put Ron Howard above Both of them probably Noonan gets nominated It's his first film and then

[00:39:32] In the years afterwards everyone's like George Miller directed a lot of that movie And then Noonan doesn't make another movie For 15 years And when he does it's Mrs. Potter Which sucks Right Going somewhere Mrs. Potter It's Miss Potter And then they did a sequel Peter Rabbit Yes

[00:39:51] In which Rosebeer plays Beatrix Potter I want you to say it She plays Beatrix Potter I don't know what I'm gonna say Beatrix Potter She plays Beatrix Potter And that Rabbit Fox Yes he does It's a rabbit Rabbit who Fox Hot rabbit who Fox Yeah Harf

[00:40:08] So there was like controversy at the time Harf Yeah is it gone? People said it was like discrimination In Hollywood that he hadn't gotten nominated Well sure because also I How many Asian people Had been nominated for Best Director Zero Right Big goosey Little did we know

[00:40:24] He would later go on to win two Those But at this time Hey Cheryl Hey Weeho Hello Spaha At this time Just hot Taiwanese government was getting angry And getting loud about it And he had to go to them And be like please stop complaining about this

[00:40:42] I don't want to make it sound like This is too much of a fuss right Right let's not turn this into a thing Right I want to keep working in Hollywood It was literally like the country was screaming Sometimes you exactly And you listen

[00:40:55] I also think you made a good point about I don't want to be the one person representing Right Emma Won an Oscar Well that too Right But also just the one person You know Emma Won an Oscar for this movie But you're right yes

[00:41:08] No one wants to be like The lone representative And then it's annoying where it's like What we nominated Lee Did we fix everything? We did it I think so good Anyway Mel Gibson wins Best Director Goodbye It is interesting though Mel Gibson He won Best Director

[00:41:26] It is interesting that He was the winner For what movie Braveheart Freedom It is interesting to me The Best Director more so than any other category Of the last 12 years has a greater diversity With the Oscars You mean right because I'm assuming

[00:41:44] This Sunday is going to go a certain way And we're probably going to have four Mexican winners in five years We're on two Interatuz Adel Toro Two Angleys Sure I mean and then there are only a handful of white guys Who actually win Best Director now

[00:41:58] And a lone Bigelow And a lone Biggs A lone Biggs Yeah, a husband of Ishias He won Best Director That guy We did that Yeah, that was a choice Yeah, Ben Affleck didn't even win No Not even Ben Affleck Not even Ben Affleck

[00:42:21] Remember when Angle won for Life of Pi And there was that picture from meeting the In-N-Out Burger with the Oscar That was pretty great He's so great He seems like a very good person My friend Spike used to always say

[00:42:33] That any picture of Angleys looks like he's about to cry Because he's got kind of a red nose And he's always got like a sort of like Whistful smile Right, he's got this sort of one smile A lot of the time Yeah, he just looks like

[00:42:45] Not like he's depressed But like he's touched Like he's constantly going to cry Out of just like gentility I feel like he's just touched to be honored It's like it's delighted to be nominated Overcome by the complexity of the human condition Like I've watched both of his speeches

[00:42:58] And I remember them both being like nice speeches But I don't remember either of them He's like a nice man Right, there's one where he says I just can't quit you And then the other one Where he says I'm the king of the world

[00:43:13] Or he says Mr. Ponte Yeah, of course he went to school Kirstie was buds with Spike Lee I always forget about that He was an Amoree today Ang and Spike Ang and Spike But that's also the big deal They're both my uncles Damn right His three Taiwanese films

[00:43:33] Surely they've got a wild family Yeah, wild His three Taiwanese films were like American productions 2014's Wilds Oh sorry, what? His three Taiwanese films were all like American, like partially American productions And James Seamus is always there with them He has one foot in, one foot out

[00:43:49] Until this movie that like fully brings him over To the cinemas And then he makes two flops And he goes back over Right, but I think his notion was that it was like Okay, I want to be a filmmaker A Taiwanese filmmaker

[00:44:02] Let me go to NYU because that's the best film school And then after I'm done I'll go back to Taiwan And work in that industry But he just couldn't quit America I mean they've got money Yeah For movies Yeah And they want them So The movie

[00:44:17] Sense and sensibility Uh Then what did you think? Then texted us about this film At 2 AM? At last, yeah, at 1.30 I started watching it Yeah What the fuck is going on? What are you? I have no idea What are you confused by? Who are these people?

[00:44:34] You and James What do they want from each other? What's happening? What happened to that guy in his deathbed? He's dying He's dying I don't know It's not clear to me I need some fucking baguettes So you get that Tom Wilkinson's dying He just seems sick 15 comedy points

[00:44:51] Thank you I'm imagining you going to every single movie You watch being like Who the fuck are these people? Make it clear Oh my god I think Tom Wilkinson It would be funny if he's like I am your father of course And I am dying

[00:45:03] I think Tom Wilkinson literally does say I'm dying Yeah Or once I die He's on a deathbed You got that he was on a deathbed Did he close his eyes? Then he needs the hard cut to DURRR And like a coffin sinking into the ground

[00:45:19] It would be helpful You need the scene that you need the cut scene To the funeral Right Where they're standing around At least Someone's like throwing some dirt You know Ashes to ashes Very sad for you Tom too will Even people just leaving

[00:45:32] A cemetery together in the rain That'd be good It would be like it was so sad When Tom Wilkinson died I would have loved that guy He'll be in the full Monty in a couple of years And then Batman begins eventually Batman will begin in due time

[00:45:45] Doctor, doctor, I can't take it I'm going crazy Actually I'm sorry to embarrass you Surely a quick correction Bartman is the one who began Shit that's right That's one of your things Bartman began God One of his things is the nicest way To describe that kind of behavior

[00:45:59] I'm so sorry I shouldn't say it like that We don't know each other well enough That's some of your bullshit To be fair Ben has a point Because we did establish Grandma Verrazi rules on this podcast Where if you don't see the body

[00:46:11] In the coffin and they're not dead Which is why my grandma Verrazi Has been alive for the last 15 years And just not calling me Yeah Right You know every time you bring that up People love it It's huge bombers My grandma's Canada So yeah your grandma's Okay

[00:46:24] I just saw Lupita last night Oh god Nobody cares Jesus Christ Keeping your hands Why don't I check Sharkbeat And see if people care Surely What did she say? Lots of interesting things I loved your greatest showman piece Lupita She didn't need to say that

[00:46:40] She said that with her like eyes And her body language She said it with her body language Anglia proof Yeah Sense and sensibility So Mr. Dashwood The great character that Ben responded to so well Tom Wilkinson He dies He leaves his estate to his son

[00:46:56] Also leaves his mortal coil True Played by James Wilby And he's like Oh I suppose I'll take your estate Right And I'll admit Those for a first senior Like Who fucking cares about this? Little Stodger I'm here for Winslet But he says He's a huge Hevelling Creatures fan

[00:47:15] Look I'm leaving the estate to you I got these two Spincer daughters Your sister They have the gall to be unmarried Yeah one of them is like 27 if Yeah Not even Yeah Or they change your age in this to 27 Yeah Right and the other one is like 17

[00:47:33] Yeah right And they're like Weird honestly Just do me a favor Promise you're gonna take care of them Right And then he goes back to his wife And she's like No no no I like money for me Yeah for my family Yes So Eleanor You got Eleanor

[00:47:50] We love her She's played by Emma T Then you got Mary Ann K-Twin K-W And then you've got Margaret Don't forget about Margaret Played by I forget her name Oh my god Uh oh It is French Emily the She changed her name Emily the français

[00:48:09] She changed her name Wait after this movie We don't have to go into this Emily Francois Yeah she's like an academic now And she Interesting Well she's very cute in this movie But yeah that was it No hiding Huh? Ugh Oh you didn't like me calling her cute

[00:48:26] No She's very cute She is adorable Yeah she's a cute little girl She's cute Adorkable She likes as this is From 1795 or whatever this you know Like Isn't that what it's like It's like the 1790s Wait No Early 1800s No since sensibilities this The 18th century

[00:48:44] It was published It was published later Okay it was published 1811 Published later Whatever But this is set pre-Napolean I'm pretty sure Okay Gonna look it up When's it set Do you know who Who the original edition was credited to? By a lady A lady By a lady

[00:49:02] It was it was anonymously published Yes Are you serious? But I love that they just By a lady Uh When she was like No no no not my name But they were like Come on we want to tell people That a lady wrote it

[00:49:15] So say it's by a lady That's a great impression of Jane Austen Yeah exactly They should have said it was written by Like how do everything around here Say it's by a lady Yeah my fucking back I'm Jane Austen Um They should They should go anytime surely

[00:49:30] If this is uncomfortable Yeah open invitation to leave Um They should have said it was published by A period lady Oh like that was her name Like Lord Alfonzo lady Um anyway She first wrote it In 1795 Published it many years later Okay Um You know

[00:49:53] It's right around the turn of the 19th century essentially Mm-hmm And the idea is that The idea is that England at the time Was this very like Classical obsessed country Everyone wanted to look like a fucking Greek statue They've all got those goddamn curls Ringlet

[00:50:07] So many fucking ringlets Mm-hmm And you know like sort of intelligence and Mm-hmm Poise Poise and calm Like then Ooh I've got my little book here You know right And like Hey Winslet sensibility She's the one who's like You know she's getting ready for the romantic era

[00:50:22] She's like I want like passion And like I'm gonna walk around Once in a while Come on you know Like that's what about to like Passionate behavior in this right She's like I'm going on a walk Mm-hmm See you later And I'm not sitting at my piano forte

[00:50:37] My piano forte Piano forte Anytime they say that I get so jazzed So that's what's happening here Yeah Kind of a crossroads you know And Winslet's 19 in this Like the actress Yes Like how old was she She done Hevelling Creatures And that was it Right

[00:50:55] And you know Angley didn't even want her to audition He didn't like Hevelling Creatures Or he didn't like the performance at least Yeah or at least My understanding of that is kind of like He was like She played like a psycho in that movie

[00:51:04] I don't really see her for this Yeah So they wanted her for Lucy Right and then she walked in And she was like I will be auditioning for Marianne She lies a lot in her auditions I know She's like very Good for cute

[00:51:17] But this was one of those like Stars born performances Where she gets the Oscar Because everyone's like Who the fuck is this Yeah Right She wins the SAG Maybe I can look it up I think she wins either the SAG or the Globe

[00:51:29] But she gets nominated for Best Supporting Actress I mean this to me And it's like burned in my memory I've seen this movie many times But I hadn't seen it in a while Yeah Surely Had you seen it in a while

[00:51:38] Yeah I revisited it a few weeks ago Well for this obviously But I mean But it's just her face When she sees Old Greg Wise with You know that snooty bitch At the party Like he's like burned in my memory Where she's just like Immediately hard

[00:51:54] I remember when I saw it the first time I was like she's This is a star Right it's one of those things Where like you get an Oscar nomination Not because it was like One of the most technically complex performances She won the SAG She won the SAG

[00:52:07] But because it's like Jesus Christ this person's just hit fully form Right And then you know she gets Saitanic after this I think she said gets Saitanic Yeah she gets real Saitanic And then books Saitanic No she lost The Golden Globe Who? 1996 I mean 95 96 Oscars Mercedes rule

[00:52:26] No that's a couple years earlier Oh right that's I always think that movie is later in the 90s than it is No It's kind of one of those ones Where you're like Oh right they won an Oscar Is it Is it Miracirino She's been in the news recently

[00:52:40] Oh No Oh Oh Yeah Which I actually think is A great performance I love her in that movie I've never seen that movie Mighty Aphrodite Have you seen it I actually have it Yeah It's a good movie I mean it's an okay It's an okay movie

[00:52:56] But that is a weird win Yeah it is a little bit But you know Kate was young And they were like We'll get to her She'll make some holocaust movie Like 20 years from now We'll figure it out That's the weird thing is Like Winslet's nominated

[00:53:08] Five times before she hits 30 So by the time she's 35 It feels like she's Geraldine Paid I know she gets to The Debra Cares Zone for sure She's Kate Looslet Oh Oh my God Shirley Hollywood's gonna push back If you come in this hot I'm telling you

[00:53:27] It's a tough town Can you guys leave I'll just do this podcast Shirley's move In Slack Used to be Do you still do this at EW? There's nobody as fun to do it So Shirley's move in Slack Would be to drop a joke like that

[00:53:40] Which is just obviously Like an atomic bomb In Slack And then type the leaves emoji As if she's like dashing out Leaves And it was classic Classic Shirley When you explain it And then she'll come back and be like Ha, weird right? Leaves Hey, leaves

[00:53:56] Like over and over again She's a very like Kinetic slacker That's good Also because we had nothing to do Yeah we didn't have a lot to do That little transition period there Griffin's laughing this I'm lying I think it's funny I think it's a good bit 15 comedy points

[00:54:10] What do you want me to say here Jesus, were you fucking relaxed Have some gummies Shit and bricks over there I had shit and bricks I wish I was shit and bricks I had diarrhea this morning I know Shit and water Not a joke

[00:54:20] Coming up on an hour Remember when we were going to Keep this one short? We got like 10 minutes left Okay I'm wrapping this up We're bringing the train to the station Well it's not It's Okay I mean it is actually a potty movie In terms of like

[00:54:36] Lots of little stuff going on A lot of smooching Basically there A lot of backdoor smooching Well not really You don't see it on screen But it's about secret smooches No, there's no smooches They were gonna They shot a smooch Did they? They did They shot one

[00:54:50] Edward and Eleanor Sure Is there a human ms? Is there actually a single on-screen kiss On this one? I don't think so No It's about like secret engagements Well there's a lot of that Looks And glasses And like sort of loaded conversation Flowers The final Oh no no

[00:55:08] Do they kiss right at the end It's certainly not one of those kisses Where you're like It's like kiss Like that This was just my read of the movie But I feel like it's also Kind of about Sense and sensibility Shut up Fuck

[00:55:22] I should throw this at you The weird little fake iPhone David's become obsessed There's a piece of the desk On the recording studio That comes out so the wires can go through it And David holds it And it looks like a cell phone

[00:55:34] It looks like a cell phone Because it has a circle Like an old home button And when you keep exploring this I'm cutting all of this out We're keeping it all in What is this? You are Keeping it in What is this?

[00:55:44] I think that we were going to cut it out Until you did that Now it's in Alright so The first 20 minutes of the movie Maybe even half an hour Is Elner, Marianne and Margaret And their mom Played by the mom from Mom from Bridget Jones

[00:56:03] And they live in this nice house Very nice Let's also Let's go to New Ireland Park Let's not rush through these first 20 minutes Let's take it slow Let's take it slow Well no, I mean Like all the characters My favorite bully Character name is very important And then

[00:56:17] You know James Willoughby and the wife show up Who plays the wife She's another one of those actors She's like a steady actor She's like a steady actor Yeah yeah yeah She's great Love her She's in Star Wars The Force Awakens

[00:56:29] She plays the doctor who looks after Chewbacca Yeah remember Chewbacca's like Brrrrrrrrrrrrr And she's like very brave Oh yes Remember how Force Awakens about how everyone Wants to fuck Chewbacca Yeah Cause that doctor's digging him He ha Miles Canada's digging him That's it

[00:56:44] Everyone's digging him in that movie All true No, is Willoughby We'll get to Willoughby Is Willoughby the original fuck boy Is my question I think he might be Willoughby Well I guess Great voice It's the first novel So technically He's the OG Right He's the OG fuck boy

[00:57:02] But a bigger fuck boy I guess Wiccom Sure Oh Wow He's like a serial fuck boy I guess it gets into how you define fuck boy Willoughby Like what Do you know what I'm saying Like when I see Willoughby I'm like that's a fuck boy to me

[00:57:17] Yeah he is cause he knows it Well yeah He knows it He knows it He's playing Like Wiccom's just kind of like A fucking moron Yeah he's a cat And a piece of shit Willoughby is like Let me knock you up And then I'm a piece of shit

[00:57:30] I'll leave I'm a piece of shit You know what What seals the deal for me Is the Willoughby speech of Like I have to go to look at it Right It's all The wild flowers is a real move Yeah Oh my god That's like he like Oh

[00:57:44] No I just I've been talking from a field No anyway You're right He's the original fuck boy of literature I guess the OG fuck boy is Adam Right Sure I gotta eat this apple honey I gotta Yeah Wait no No she tells him I don't know my bible

[00:58:02] She eats it Yeah she's the one who brings it to him Have you not read the bible It's progressive So you must be the original fuck boy It's not progressive It's very progressive It tests all of humanity's sins On to women Yeah This is not progressive

[00:58:16] I don't know what I'm talking about I think we've wanted that out That's why the bible's like The bible just starts out And they're like God created the earth And you're like oh this is cool This is chill And then it's like Eve by the way

[00:58:26] All her fucks You're like Read ten pages in already Wait a second Are you saying the bible isn't woke Not woke Someone pointed that out Someone said something like that To me recently I mean the bible is like Really problematic I think about it

[00:58:41] I was like you think the bible Yeah but the bible's cool with gay people Anyway We're not here to trash the bible That's a good book Just cut everything up Sure What this episode becomes The most listened to podcast of all time That's probably gonna happen

[00:59:00] I mean Shirley Shirley Shirley also makes me kind of goofy Cause like I don't know why Now I'm curious I don't know I'm goofy You previously described Shirley to me As human Pikachu As a human Pikachu She just makes me happy Are you becoming a detective?

[00:59:19] What the fuck We have to do a special You guys are doing one right Yeah we have to We have to That's gotta be on the books Do you know the story behind the detective Pikachu movie I got a sidebar here I mean I don't know

[00:59:32] I mean there's a detective Pikachu movie Pokemon goes blowing up right Legendary is like You know what let's pull the trigger Let's get a fucking Pokemon movie Let's hit going And Nintendo has always been This is what I'm saying she's such a cornball She's killing it

[00:59:49] She's killing it Movie time out Legendary is like Let's get a fucking Pokemon movie on the books Right Nintendo has always been very protective of their properties Only now are start to let people adapt things Cause they were so burned by

[01:00:02] This is a Mario movie coming now again After they were burned by Hoskins But also they only co-owned Pokemon With another company called the Pokemon Holding Company They're holding on They're holding on right So Legendary is in like intense negotiations They're taking pitches from different writers

[01:00:19] Max Landis pitches a Pokemon movie In which the characters are children named Red and Blue You get it And they're like so close to sign the deal Everything's great and they're like It's leaking after deadline Legendary is about to announce a Pokemon movie

[01:00:34] They're gonna make a $200 million live action Pokemon movie And the last minute the Pokemon holding company is like We will only let you do detective Pikachu And rather than be like Oh, okay then forget it Then they were like He's a detective? Cause it was a detective

[01:00:51] Wait a second, hold up He's holding mystery? Right, cause it was a Hold on Is he wearing a trench coat? It was at the height of Pokemon Go Mania And they were like We gotta just do it They were like By the way, by the way

[01:01:04] Before you sign It's only the detective You don't get any other characters And it was just in the terms and conditions Yes They didn't even reveal it's after that Yeah right, they didn't even know I just love that That they were like By the way

[01:01:17] You only get detective Pikachu Well that's kind of what happens in sense and sensibility They get this house They move in and By the way Here's the second picture No no no That's how you run with it Yeah, I ran into a wall

[01:01:29] What I like in these early scenes Is how nice Hugh crisis He's a very nice man Oh sweet Well this is what Emma added to this right? Like him playing with Margaret Him having a personality She wanted them there to be a real connection

[01:01:43] Because he would just be like He shows up at the end He's like I will marry you I mean in the book it's just He's a man He's a man Come on, what else do you need? He's fine And I'll tell you He'll be a vicar for you

[01:01:58] A vicar When you take away Or at least tone down Hugh Grant's mannerisms Which I am a fan of his mannerism Me too I like mannered acting I think he does manner better than almost anyone in the game When he's at You know he's got a reputation

[01:02:11] Fighting weight As well for being really really Particular about his lines He memorizes them He like He memorizes all his like physical movements right He's like very very fussy and upset All that stuff that people think are just like Oh he's just like He's doing his bullshit

[01:02:25] Right like he literally writes into his scripts Like Furrard Braal Three blinks Right like he's And he does like a thousand takes to get the timing of those things Really right But when you tone down that stuff He just comes across as very gentle And sincere

[01:02:42] You know because then all the blinking When it's less mannered is just like This guy's really delicate Like he doesn't know how to express himself I just think it's a bomb ass move for him To take the guest room I think that's great I love that

[01:02:54] It's just great She's like get the fuck out of the nice room He Grant has to stay there And he's like there was some oversight Yeah I went in Happy with the shithouse Yeah Yeah Happy to stay in the stables With the horses He's the sweetest

[01:03:07] He's very sweet And so this first 20 minutes you're like Oh is this like a movie about Like a budding romance here You know and there's like Oh he's richer than her So that might be a problem Right And then the mom takes the other mom

[01:03:20] A sign is like PS Not gonna happen No No And rather than be like Gemma Jones Being like that's bullshit Come on they like each other They'll figure it out Gemma Jones is like we have to move out Immediately Her eyes get a little red in that scene

[01:03:35] Yeah She's like on the verge of tears She's a puffy eyed actress At least in this movie Yes So much like Bizarro Jefferson's They start moving on down They really do Yeah I mean like it is just It's like where they just have dinner

[01:03:50] This happens all the time In this movie they just sit down And someone's like I gotta go to London Fuck it now I gotta go What time is it go To town There's not a minute to lose And I'm like It's gonna take you like a day

[01:04:03] Like are people really gonna be like Where were you A day like a week Like they're not gonna be like Oh the train was due in There's no trains Right Just gotta get on his horse There's no trains I tried to get to the 515 horse

[01:04:18] But I got caught in traffic Yeah right And the next horse was until 745 I got caught in traffic On that dirt road That goes to London Four horses This horse No legs I ran into a highway man That was my problem What if the next

[01:04:33] Then would be a highwayman At this time right Is that like a guy Who robs people from the back Stand and deliver mate Yeah Get money in your life Oh I'm sorry It's just the white things guy You're like one of those guys Yeah

[01:04:45] He's like oh how rude You're like taking your jewelry Give me the jewels I know how to use this thing You've got a musket I was gonna say a blunt object Yeah I know how to use this pike I just had a million dollar idea Sure

[01:05:03] For our blank check picture slate Great What if the next Liam Neeson Man under pressure Slash revenge thriller Is a period piece So you go like okay He's taking a plane He's taking the train Taking the carriage Yeah You do a horse and buggy thriller With Liam Neeson

[01:05:22] And he's getting like carrier pigeon notes That are like I'm gonna blow up the horse and buggy Horse and buggy chase It gets intercepted by like a highwayman Like that You know And then they know each other From like doing black ops Back at like Scotland

[01:05:34] They take his wife as collateral This movie is five hours long Yeah exactly That's a good idea Great go pigeon What's the name The buggy man No but it combines because it was like Oh Liam Neeson He used to be this austere kind of Boring like period guy

[01:05:54] And then he becomes like bare-knuckle Brawler thriller and it's like Let's unite the two Neesons Oh unite the seven We gotta unite the seven Remember that Hey Cheryl We stick in stick in with Liam or No no we Great question answer I almost said pride and prejudice

[01:06:10] Sense and sensibility You said pride and prejudice They move They have a budget of only 500 pounds a year So they gotta move to a cottage Owned by two busy buddies Cornelius Fudge and the fat lady From the Gryffindor painting It's true but that's who she plays

[01:06:27] Literally the name of the character Knock on JK Rowling There's a whole conversation about F Mr. F Mr. F Mr. F Right they do that They were like wow it's crazy Charlie's was in She's free of arrest about it Literally right after she won the Oscar Yeah

[01:06:50] Left field We Britain Yeah Mr. F Right that's what's going on They move And guess who lives near here He's got a floppy hat He has anywhere between Two and eight dogs Defending on the scene Yeah He's real stoic I forgot how many dogs there are

[01:07:09] Sometimes he's just like A menagerie of dogs Accompanying him Yeah And then you'll just go on like A day's walk through like the fence With his dogs and his floppy hat And he's like Got a stick that he's swinging around Yep

[01:07:25] He's just thinking about how sad he is This is proof of concept for Brokeback 9 For Sheep Oh god yes I love how this movie looks It's like It's like Shot by Michael Coulter Who I don't know Mike Coulter Yes Shot by Luke Cage Shot by your former castmate

[01:07:45] Mike Coulter I did a pilot with him that didn't go Who at the time Yeah he's It's not like he's like He's just sort of a journeyman I don't know I'm not seeing He did shoot Notting Hill later And Love actually So I guess he's Yeah

[01:07:58] But he likes to shoot He used face He likes to shoot here But I just love how like He likes to have a view to a view He likes to have a view to a view Sure good good How like rich the colors are in this movie

[01:08:12] Like the green is just so like Green without burden Green over baked No exactly it's not It's not like over saturated Like pointedly stylized Alright that color corrected To look like a god damn painting Like it actually looks like a painting It's just a lush movie

[01:08:27] It's a lush fucking Lush fucking movie And I feel like you know how like Romcoms or whatever will like Cut to the dog You know Reacting yeah Anglies like let's just cut to some Sheep running around for a second

[01:08:38] If we need to just chill out for a second There's a story with the sheep Isn't there Yeah cause they When they were shooting this They shot this in the summer But they needed it to look like Winter or whatever So they wouldn't shear the sheep

[01:08:48] And then the sheep got like dehydrated I love that Ang No sheep on me I love that Angly would be like Someone's gonna object to the sheep being sheared So it's gonna be like what a goof And then he was like I'm never working with sheep again

[01:09:03] And then low and behold He makes a whole sheep movie And you know that the sheep are almost entirely CGI in Brokeback Mountain I'm not fucking joking So he was just like I hate sheep You know those like VFX reels That leak out where the

[01:09:15] Like VFX companies showed The before and after The one in Brokeback Mountain is literally No exaggeration The most impressive one I've ever seen Because you're like None of the sheep were real And it's And you just see Heath Ledger Now I know why I was like

[01:09:29] Why would they spend all that money Clearly it was like I've done sheep before Don't make me do it again It's like Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal On an empty mountain And then you just see them Layering in sheep after sheep

[01:09:39] That's why he made a Billy Goats gruff movie later That's also why Brokeback Mountain Costs 200 million dollars Brokeback Mountain was actually a huge flop Because of all the sheep That couldn't make the sheep money back There is so much CGI in Brokeback It's insane

[01:09:53] And it makes you realize how seamless it is Brokeback was a mountain The mountain was CGI Brokeback was fictional Yeah Yeah Also Randy Quaid was CGI He had to be that bad The Bushwhackers No, isn't it the Starfuckers I think he has used both terms

[01:10:06] I think they're two different groups Terrific Both of whom are after him Randy Quaid is Ben's kind of guy No Really? I don't know, he's a conspiracy theorist No, I'm not a conspiracy theorist I'm not like a weirdo Methhead hanging out in a trailer In Canada

[01:10:23] He wasn't that for a lot of his career He was successful And then it caught up with him a little bit You know, he's having a rough bet Yeah But the man was in fucking the last detail Give him some credit

[01:10:35] Alright, I'll give him a little bit of credit You're sitting on SNL one season? He was SNL first season He played Reagan He was the only person to get out of her Oscar And then join the cast of SNL Very weird Alright, I don't know

[01:10:48] Yeah, no come on I'll give him a soft pass These are kind of guy He plays scumboms He has his wife put on a Rupert Murdoch mask And then peg him on camera You know, point Ben stuff He's a little punked right You're right

[01:11:03] What do you think of the cottage, Cheryl? The cottage Yeah, I don't know I actually, I like the way that I already did my Willoughby rant I like the way that they have them Brandon rant Yeah, Brandon's great I like how Kate walks into the cottage

[01:11:18] Like she's like eager to kind of check it out And then her face just kind of falls as she walks This is an eager performance in a way that's pretty impressive Yeah, right Yeah I can talk about Rickman a little Because we almost got into this before recording

[01:11:32] And I wanted to save it for this Okay I have heard women over the year Describe Alan Rickman as very sexy And I was always like, that fucking guy? Like Alan Rickman's one of my favorite character actors Right, really looks like a melting cat though A great loss

[01:11:46] He's a weird guy with a weird voice He has a bit of like a droopy kind of a face When he came on screen in this I was like, oh I fucking get it This is the first time I've seen Rickman on screen Sky Fox Sky Fox

[01:11:57] The Sky Fox This guy's I have confidence to this guy And his hair is fucking Do you think Hux Fox? General Hux Fox Honestly, no You know what I love the guy but I think there's a lot of pent up Too eager

[01:12:16] Ben is staring off into the middle of this With a sense of deep Contemplation Agreed that this guy's Fox The hair in this is something And I also think there's a stillness to him And there's a Remove of a certain

[01:12:33] Alan Rickman usually has this chip on his shoulder He's usually got this like Goddammit Kind of thing And in this he just seems very sweet Like he's odd and he's reserved But he doesn't seem miffed at all I think it's just you know

[01:12:49] Obviously Die Hard casts him as the villain His first fucking movie Is that insane? He's like 40 He's in things like Robin Hood Yes, yes But he had also been in Truly Madly Deeply Which is a lovely movie that he's very charming in So it's not like it obviously

[01:13:05] Was unheard of for him to do a role like this But I feel like after this He doesn't really do it again This type of reserved Yeah, like a war like warm Heart-felt character He rarely plays warm He's not always a villain but he's rarely warm

[01:13:21] I mean on stage and shit he would That's the thing he's reserved here But he's still warm Whereas I feel like we mentioned Matthew McFadden before The problem was he was reserved but very cold He's real stiff, I mean that character is written like A asshole

[01:13:35] But also, anyway That's his failing a little bit In Pride and Pride There's a thing that Rickman Communicates immediately In this performance which is just This guy presumes that no one would want to be with him So he's not even gonna bother Exactly

[01:13:53] In a really not a needy way Not a self-pitying way He's like, look I'm just here Call me if you need help I'm not gonna be in a position But there's also that instant infatuation When he comes and sees her And then he's just sweet to the family

[01:14:09] He's the one who's willing to step aside There's something so gentlemanly about the fact that he's not like Oh god I'm gonna get friend-en-zoned again Mr. Cawthorne And he's also not making moves Right and also he's had this trauma in his past that we learned of

[01:14:23] Where he was in love with another woman And she, you know Let's take an advantage of Yeah, she cocked him She cocked him Yes, and you know, and so like yeah maybe He's just like forget it But then he's been looking after that daughter Daughter Potter

[01:14:41] If you wanna cast, well he's gone now unfortunately But Alan Rickman cornered the market on Someone who secretly Looks after the child of someone who wronged him Right This is a little snappy too Where he's just like I might seem mean But maybe I'm not

[01:14:57] He doesn't seem mean at all Expecto Patronus You're right, he doesn't seem mean He does seem like I just guess like He doesn't seem greasy He doesn't seem mean Like you get why Kate Winslet's like I don't know, he's kind of old I'm not really like

[01:15:15] Words worthy, yeah I wanna go rolling on the hills So She And you know, the whole time Meanwhile Emma Thompson's just kind of sitting there Being polite and nice She already had her heart broken over Hugh Grant She's great in this movie

[01:15:33] She has great reaction shots and she's really good at Like when someone says something to her that they don't realize Is devastated information The entire back out Yeah right, the entire back out of this movie Is like by the way you're not allowed to love

[01:15:45] Right, but she's so good at those tiny little reactions Of just like I'm gonna pretend like I already knew that Yes And it's Internalized And cork on the bottle Stuck off it down She went into an absolute heartbreak And gone And then she has like emotional diarrhea

[01:16:07] But this whole section She's just fucking taking it Like everyone's dishing it out on top of her Putting all their fucking struggles on top of her Acting like she doesn't have anything that's tearing her up inside And fucking old Hugh Grant's just in the fucking rear view

[01:16:19] Well the break, because the first 20 minutes are her heartbreak And now we're on Kate Winslet And Ben, did you watch the whole movie Ben? Producer Ben, did you watch this whole movie? Produer Ben The Ben Deucer Poet Laureate, the Haas Mr. Positive

[01:16:35] The type of guy that you're seeing And he's like Mr. Positive The Tyrick The finest film critic The close personal friend of Dan Lewis Poet Laureate Me lover Graduate to certain tells over the course of different Neaseries such as Kylo Ben Ben producer Ben Kenobi Ben night Shyamalan

[01:17:01] Ben say Ben anything dot dot dot Ailey Ben's with a dollar sign War Haas Ben 19 the Fennel maker Robo Haas Haas cast news Banglish Nice Mr. Ben credible No, I think you got them all Did you finish the movie? No, I did not Fair enough

[01:17:28] I've abandoned this movie I would say half an hour in Ben basically like watching for a bit was like Did that guy die? And then like 10 minutes later he's like That was my process I just also love I got a text

[01:17:44] Ben's text came in the wrong order for me So first I got a text that just said What is happening? I'm so confused What was the exact text? Something like that And then the following text was No idea what's happening And then the following text was just

[01:18:00] A picture of Emma Thompson on a screen She's doing anything No And then it was like from that text it was Is Ben gonna take a picture inside the theater Of the ending of annihilation? Yeah, right Which is Emma Thompson repressing

[01:18:16] And I have no idea what's going on So Then there's a huge action scene In the middle of this movie Kate Winslet goes on a walk with her sister And falls down She literally just sort of trips And falls down one foot away Like, oh god

[01:18:34] I enjoy this entire scene And it's raining and she's like She's probably gonna die She's just like, ow my ankle I like the lead up to it though You know where her sister is like No, no Marion I don't wanna walk anymore And so she starts walking faster

[01:18:52] And then the last bit is just It's like someone going 120 on the road Like slow down, you're going to miss She's like no Except she's just walking briskly On a hill On like a slight incline And she falls over and Greg Wise shows up

[01:19:08] It's all very romantic, that's pretty hot That's pretty hot And he's like Surely that was Maybe being on a horse ride He gives the horse to Marion And he's like I mean not to Marion too, the little one Margaret And he's like, don't worry He's quite safe

[01:19:30] Respect your ankle, like I have permission It's a lot And she's like, yes And he's like, it's not broken Right everyone's just like Woo, woo, right this is hot stuff Hot guy, hot guy He's got sideburns that kind of point at his nose Sideburns, he's got kind eyes

[01:19:48] So Emma Thompson's like He's got sideburns and kind eyes Which is handsome And Emma Thompson by the way Is, she's like I'm gonna do this I'm gonna bark up this But they're on the cracker P.S. I'm the The cracker Why did that feel

[01:20:13] So much creepier when it got caught in your throat If you had said it clearly It would have just been a joke Oh boy, anyway So Willoughby, Kate's Just into this dude And he's into her He's definitely, seems into her Sonnets, takes his sonnet book out

[01:20:31] He recites it And she Corrects him But that just, she likes that No, she's into it Some bands, heavy bands Some sonnet cooking And He's And then finally he's like I don't know She's walking him to his horse or whatever

[01:20:55] And he's like, could I meet with you tomorrow And he's like, would I alone together all the time He's like, oh I have something very important I want to ask you I mean girls, well this is also I just want to go back to When they're like

[01:21:09] They're becoming friends And then it's like It's like late 1700s PDA That entire sequence There's just a familiarity And that's why when he's like Let's just meet in person I also love that he's like Can I meet with you tomorrow

[01:21:29] And she's like, I don't know, let me check my calendar I have a busy waiting Around until someone marries me For the rest of my life I'll be sitting in the front room From a six From sunrise And then after that I go to sleep

[01:21:45] No, then I'll go to the back room for a while I'll maybe read a tiny, tiny little book By candlelight Then the sun will set and it's time to go to bed Right And my cut to some sheep running around It's not like, I don't know

[01:21:59] I just picked up a couple more shifts at the local pub Yeah My sister will probably be looking At her fucking Atlas all day I'm gonna want to go outside And the Thompson will be quietly crying in her room I don't know what that's about

[01:22:13] She seems fine, I shouldn't ask about that She's a trooper My mom will be puffing her eyes Puffing She has a puffer There's a man who shows up and just blows That's the one staff they could retain She replaced her powder With her puffer

[01:22:33] So, and then, but when he's gonna propose Everyone thinks he's gonna propose And Rickman shows up and he's like Where did I be? And they're like, yeah, he's cool right? And he's like, no comment Why not who won't to be? Sorry Wow, surely should be a permanent Puncaster

[01:22:53] Wontabe Okay, yes, he shows up Ben is just Ben's tweeting through it I mean, seriously, we're almost done I mean, this is the thing about this movie It's a lot of little things Wait, Ben just posted a Tumblr manifesto Why I'm giving up on podcasting forever

[01:23:15] He's moving to Devonshire folks No, Willoughby Ghosts Ghosts on her He's gotta go to London He's gotta go to the town Also in between this is also that scene where Alan Rickman's like, let's have a picnic Everyone's invited And this is the most dramatic

[01:23:35] And then everyone's like there for the picnic He's like, everyone's here for the picnic And then someone like fucking Horses up to him and he's like A note! And he's like, I have to go to London Right away goodbye

[01:23:47] I mean, what's your explain? It's to do with his His word, right? I guess it's explained after, yeah It has to do with Beth, renamed from Eliza in the book Willoughby is really like, okay this is my Oscar scene I gotta sell this, right? Oh yeah

[01:24:03] I gotta go to London And they're like, sorry babe But one last week of Doom Loving He's like, actually gotta go look right now The hour is at hand Well, doggastowl And they're like So he pieces the fuck out

[01:24:19] He pieces the F out, so Kate Winslet's sad for a while Mr. F out And but then Right, Mrs. The lady who likes to say F so much Is like, let's go to London Let's go to town, we gotta go to town I'm a fucking mansion in Chelsea

[01:24:35] We can just chill in Hit a couple balls Yeah, I mean, yeah I think that's kind of what you do My favorite part is when they're in London And like they hear someone knocking at a door And they're like, who's that? And they're like, it's next door

[01:24:49] And they're like, next door? It's a foreign concept Wait a second, you tell me people live next to each other Adjacent? Others? Oh boy, that's just a good little detail Yeah, yeah I feel like this, if you were someone Struggling with depression

[01:25:07] In this era, you were just fucked Because it was like, hey no incentive to Never leave your house Can I go outside? And they're like, should I try to get more proactive Like cheer myself up? And they're like, no in this culture you wait for someone

[01:25:21] To save you I'm gonna go on a walk And they're like, you wanna walk? Pretty unbecoming Like, well I wanna go outside Looking desperate How about the piano fortes? I went to the market last week And I bought 100 eggs And there's still rumors flying fast about that one

[01:25:43] That's why picnics matter so much It's the thing where you just have to have a picnic And it's like, no woman can be like Can we have a picnic maybe? It has to be Rickman's picnic You gotta wait for somebody to have a picnic

[01:25:55] Although when he throws his motor, Ricknick Oh my god This is the best we've ever done This is the one we remember Oh my god Ben has opened up a book That he will leave behind after his death With plans of how to murder the two of us

[01:26:16] He's writing the book of Barry Surely, why there is no other option But murdering Griffin and David Yeah, surely has to do it Surely who are your accomplices? Can I pick a knife from your new knife collection? Yes, exactly Was that on the air? Oh crap

[01:26:39] I cut my own hand open on a new knife We talked about knives for Tony Bennett I forgot about that part And I was like, guys, guys, I just want to tell you this story Just got a quick knife story A knife story

[01:26:51] Do you want to hear the worst thing? I asked Ben if he could record an audition with me after this Yes No Ben is just nodding His eyes are cold and dead for what? What can't say? It's July, can you say it? I'm a pretty old baddie person

[01:27:11] Perfect That'll be funny 12 years from now They go to this ball Crucial scene Why is it crucial? Willoughby's there It's also every Jane Austen movie Is mandated to have one of those dances where everyone's like Do you know doing weird line dancing? You meet Image and Stubbs

[01:27:33] Yes, you meet Steele Lucy Steele And you meet Hugh Grant's brother Yes Is that Hugh Grant? I'm a robot I'm a Robbie Real butter face And so he's there But you also see Willoughby and he's with some frosty ass Willoughby and you get I've been sending you 50 notes

[01:27:59] About to be engaged It's her like almost famous scene And you're just like It's pretty brutal And he goes over to the lady And she gives her a little look over her shoulder And then Angley's like Kate, total devastation And action Kate, not sad enough

[01:28:21] Your life is over forever Great, roll it There's that scene of her crying Like into the bed That's right It's actually even before I think that's after he Right When Emma Thompson is trying to console her And it's just like you tile

[01:28:41] And there's still like that sum hope Like oh well when we go to London He's in London But I love that she doesn't play it And you know He doesn't direct it like it's This grand like travesty Like crying to the skies

[01:28:57] It's like embarrassing your friend drunk at a bar Right Like she's like it's not like a big Oscar cry scene It's like a like This is uncomfortable to watch This is a teenager who cannot keep it together I think she wants that where it's like remember these are

[01:29:11] Like this is a teenager Right But then she has that total devastation face Which is like probably that's her Like officially anointed full on star moment Right She rules And then there's of course she tries She decides that she's going to in the rain

[01:29:29] Go to the Willoughby estate Yes, that is because they Right they retreat to that mansion And they mention that his estate Is nearby and you sort of see her gears turning And she's like well I'm off I'll go I just like that Back in those days rain

[01:29:47] Was enough of a dramatic conflict I mean They have something to do but it's raining outside They may face death It's a big wet scene She gets rained on She almost gets rained to death She literally does Literally almost gets rained to death She's like William Henry Harrison

[01:30:07] Damn I did pay $3 To watch 30 minutes of this movie So I said $1 per 10 minutes Well I'll go back because I got the 48 hour rental SD or HD Yeah he just goes SD I'm an HD boy He was on a company He's never done anything wrong

[01:30:31] He's certainly never done anything Definitely not She catches a severe cold And they deal with it appropriately They cut her Well Hulory's there who by the way Well you know It's not like he has a big role It's just like he drops by and is like

[01:30:49] He's like a member of the fashion police He's married to Emile Destanton He hates Emile Destanton And he just doesn't like that Right And she almost is like literally like You're stuck with me She's the Kathy Griffin to his Anderson Cooper Exactly

[01:31:07] She's the on a ferris in this Ang Lee film Yes that's a good point Connections Well I am He cuts her fucking wrist open to cure her for a cold It's just like Blood? It's still the turn of the 19th century Where he's like she's got a cold

[01:31:27] That blood's gotta go Must be the dirty blood Someone get me a porcelain bowl And some liquid soap We gotta replace this blood with something cleaner Oh boy but she makes it She's hardy But in between this is Rickman's other great scene He's stepping up

[01:31:45] He's like I want to help Also He's like I dare say he's A blacked Whoa whoa whoa Colonel Tell them that I just love that where he's like the Blacked That meme where they put Obama's face over the dude who just destroyed the red battle

[01:32:11] Yeah will it be it turns out to be He's like a real shithead He's literally number one where it's Cause he left her, I mean he's Knocking up ladies And then he's gonna go for Winslet But then he leaves her cause his mom is like

[01:32:25] I found out what you did I'm disinheriting you You have no money You gotta get some coin now baby And then he just snags a lady In London And that's what that letter was That's like his mom being like Get the fuck home

[01:32:43] This is a time period where like reputations couldn't catch up with you if you went to a different town Because like gossip traveled by horse They might catch up to you but it'll A solid year So you got a little wiggle room, you know

[01:32:55] You got some wiggle room Go find it, go with prospects And this is when Like in so many an Austin novel And then later like a Dickens novel or whatever It's just sort of like that was a lot of drama Anyway

[01:33:09] Kate Winslet wakes up and decides that Alan Rickman's really nice Then Hugh Grant comes back and he's like Oh cause also Image in Stubbs is revealed to be like A secretly engaged He comes back and he's like I wasn't into her Like we were kids I was young

[01:33:25] I'll be a vicar And I'm a Thompson's like perfect Let me get that dick Well he doesn't decide to be a vicar right away This is another good Rickman I'm trying to give Rickman points to prove why Brandon's like A vicar Parish

[01:33:43] But it turns out that she is in love with the brother anyway She's a bit of a dick She steals the worst She's a pain in the ass And that actress you know I feel like she never Popped She's no Image in Poots Barry And the Grant

[01:34:03] I was gonna try and do an impression of that song But I realized it was just gonna be too hard She is married to Trevor Nunn Oh you don't know that He's like a very famous theater director So she sort of stayed in the theater world

[01:34:15] So what he's doing like Broadway plays and stuff? More Britain hit me he has But how would you know that? British? How would you know We need to talk about it If he's directing theater but it's not here in New York City How would you even

[01:34:31] Because I grew up in Brittany And also you know what I said You know one of his productions that I saw What? Oklahoma in which he cast a young Oh it must have been fun to see Oklahoma in America In the states, the country where Where Oklahoma is

[01:34:47] That's where you saw it. You saw it on Broadway I saw it there too Not with Patrick Wilson, I saw it on the west end Of London London You took a trip just to see the play Yeah I was like this Jackman guy's gonna be good

[01:35:01] He's gonna get Wolverine two years from now I got a feel in my nose nose news Could you imagine if like Tomorrow they were like We found our new Green Lantern It's the guy who played Early in Oklahoma Two years ago on the west end

[01:35:17] On the west end Who equity wouldn't even let come to Broadway So Patrick Wilson had to do it Yeah, right, yeah That's crazy That's the thing where they were like Yeah you can transfer Oklahoma I have never heard of that guy Get Patrick Wilson, you know like

[01:35:35] That was how not famous he was And then he became The Wolverine Yes Wolverine Clamann So we did it No middle initial Wolverine X Clamann I mean it's appropriate Is there stuff we're missing? Yeah, imagine Stubbs is kind of a pain We mentioned you Laurie

[01:35:59] She's kind of basic more than anything else She's a little basic, that's the thing She's just like wide eyed and annoying She's kind of shitty Emma Thompson Aggressively bad He's quite bad, he knows what he's doing We should talk about that final shot You have the wedding

[01:36:15] And then you turn over And you see Willoughby on his horse Watching for session Which I think is a, I guess that's not the final shot There's the money tossing It's like kind of that end illegally blonde Where you find out that her ex-boyfriend

[01:36:29] Didn't even get a job There's a final nice turn I just wanted to I kind of liked what Ang did there Just to tie it all together And it's also very faithful To the book In which like cheaters never prosper And then she also goes into

[01:36:47] Like oh, what happened to Willoughby I like that in that shot You get the sense that it actually has taken a toll on him That he is showing some sort of sense of awareness And guilt And sensibility Also a little

[01:37:01] Right, but otherwise it would have just been like Willoughby rides off and will continue doing this forever Right, because it's like No, Willoughby knows he's kind of fucked He let her get away Everyone knows he's a piece of shit There's also that like crucial transference

[01:37:15] Where it's like Emma's learning to be I'm just using the actor's name, I'm sorry Eleanor is learning to be like A little more like go with your gut Even if you know There's some impropriety Or like his sister's A bit of a BITCH

[01:37:31] A bit of a C next to He didn't And then Mary Ann is like I know Willoughby was dashing, but like Dashing ain't gonna bring home Eggs And bacon Dashing ain't gonna throw a picnic I need a man with two to eight Dogs A hat! Floppy!

[01:37:53] A hat, comma floppy And a ward So the sense and sensibility They've learned lessons from each other They come into the middle They're now the ampersand They both become an ampersand Their little sister I don't know what's up with her Margaret's fine, she has a treehouse

[01:38:13] They get to live with the colonel now This is probably one of those Continuation books that's out there What happened to Margaret? That's the thing about English gentry Where it's like Alan Rickman's got a big house But it would just not be proper for him to be like

[01:38:29] Oh jeez, this kind of is kind of small It just comes with me I have like eight bedrooms Just chill out here, not cool And instead it has to be like Can I fucking inspect your fucking ankle? Read about like Famos who have crazy big houses

[01:38:45] You're like what do you do with all those rooms? Can you hear about like basketball players Where they're like, well yeah, like my whole extended family That's here And there are wings That's the thing, all these people have like Have you guys been following Wolfsmith on Instagram?

[01:38:59] Yes, yes He's got like 15 people who just live with him and he's like This is Terrence What is he allowed to do? Isn't it like Terrence is like his chef or whatever They're like a staff No it's literally Terrence Malick No some of those people are like

[01:39:15] Some of those people are like live in staff And some of those people are like He's like my producing partner or whatever But some of them is just like this is Greg We've been friends for two years Right, right Have you ever listened to

[01:39:29] The Kenya Barris episode of You Made It Weird from a zillion years ago Because Kenya and Pete Holmes worked on I Hate My Teenage Dog And now Kenya Barris is a move You know a fucking TV logo in Pete Holmes as crashing Titans of industry

[01:39:43] Taking a meeting at Will Smith's house And like walking in And Will Smith is like running on a treadmill with like Some like Terminator apparatus On his face where he's just like he walked into the future Where they're like they're like keeping him alive And some

[01:39:57] And a waiter comes up Or a chef and is like what would you like to eat And Kenya Barris is like I don't know Like some eggs I guess and he's like what kind of eggs He's like fried and he's like no From which bird

[01:40:09] And he was like you got like ostrich eggs What do you mean like from a chicken He had to specify Bird I just think about that all the time That's how rich you are where you're like get some duck eggs Keep them in the fridge

[01:40:23] Alright, well let's play the box office game Let's play the box office game This movie opened December 15th 1995 Height of oscarism You'd say that But you look at this box office Does not seem like the height of oscarism Interesting Down below the top five

[01:40:41] There's like some things platforming I mean you know Braveheart's platform Now Braveheart's been out for a long time You know like Othello came out this week The brand He didn't direct it but you know But like apart from that Kenny B Alright so number one Number one

[01:41:01] The box office is a children's movie That was a success But nothing like the success of It's sequel The year is 1995 And you're not being a pussy stress No It is twice worth? No that's number two Oh Which has been out for a month

[01:41:21] And has grossed 100 million dollars Is the highest grossing film of that year I think Oh am I allowed to say it was a gym It's a gym on cheek Hey You know what I was not going to guess That was going to throw me off

[01:41:37] Thing about Jumanji is You know I made 100 million dollars It was a hit It opened to 11 so it's been a multiplier But then welcome to the drunk who got elected president And also like I remember reading these interviews With Jake Kasdan was like

[01:41:51] We really want to honor the original And I'm like you do? Apparently everyone Wait they finally made it Jumanji sequel I'm going eight times I don't get things When we saw Jumanji it was like a packed house Yeah It was like the fucking sex pistols

[01:42:11] And we were like This is the beginning of a moment We're like that's a gentleman's B-mine Yeah we were like I guess let's see Jumanji Like you know I guess it's out We've seen every thing else Jumanji They did pass that bill though where every citizen

[01:42:29] Had to see Jumanji twice Yeah What do you guys think of Jumanji? Yeah I liked it a lot You're younger than I am How old would you have been in 1995 Wow Jesus I was very scared of it when it came out I didn't see it in theaters

[01:42:51] It's scary We also had to see it in school We had When there was nothing to do Why did you have to see it in school? It was just like when there was nothing to do They didn't take you to the theater

[01:43:05] They took us into the assembly room We ran out of history Let's all go The part that's scariest is the beginning Where you get sucked into the game It's genuinely a little nightmarish I think I've told this story I was terrified to go see Austin Powers

[01:43:21] Because the idea of him being frozen really freaked me out Like that where people get trapped in things Really freaked me out as a kid Boy Robin Williams gets sucked into a game Well, Toy Story's number 2 Yeah, the greatest film of all time

[01:43:35] I saw the film in theaters and I had a great time With it, surely I didn't see it in theaters It was a cartoon What's like the first movie, surely saw that In theaters Oh, in theaters Might be Might be Mighty Ducks What? Fine, great movie

[01:43:57] I don't remember a thing about it Someone's turning our lights on Killing our buzz I was gonna say, Toy Story Did you see Toy Story in theaters? You were little I was 6 We already saw my first movie It was Jumanji Re-released in 91 You just said Jumanji

[01:44:17] I'm sorry, jungle block Everything has now been roped into the Jumanji Extended Universe You saw Toy Story? I was seeing movies, I was seeing everything at this age And everything that was GRPJ And I remember seeing the trailer for Toy Story

[01:44:31] And turning my mom going, that's my movie That's mine That's my movie And so I was so amped to go see it And we took my friend Molly who has been invoked in this podcast before And she

[01:44:43] We were in the theater and I was like, we gotta get here early Like I'm so excited for this Like this was my like Star Wars Right? So before the movie started, Molly had to go to the bathroom And because we were all like 6

[01:44:55] We all had to go out to my mom to take her to the bathroom And I missed the beginning of the movie And then I was like so obsessed with it Finally talked my dad and Jamesy into going to see it with me again

[01:45:03] James must have been even smaller Right, James was 3 Yeah, and he had to go to the bathroom The same thing I didn't see the opening of Toy Story until it came out on VHS Which was like a year later It came out like October 2006 1996 1996

[01:45:21] It came out a year later on VHS I didn't know the whole opening sequence of what he played with the toys Which is a good opening sequence Now I know it by heart Number 3 Number 3 Is a new opening this week as well

[01:45:35] So Jumanji was one and this is another One of my favorite movies of the year And Toy Story rises back up to number 1 again after this I think I think it does I have a miracle around number 1 film, 2th in 1985 What I keep on saying 2005

[01:45:49] This is one of my favorite movies Are you having a brain event? Uh-huh It's a crime thriller One of your favorite movies? Certainly this year Is it Heat? Man Have you seen Heat? Of course, Suckin' Rules So good

[01:46:11] I feel like Kilmer in the 90s too is also your vibe Like kind of wild man Kilmer Michael Jumanji We're having fun here Okay, yeah I just love that Kilmer pops up in those movies And he's like, I'm crazy by the way

[01:46:25] It's just that Kilmer looks so bad now It's amazing He kind of looks bad in Heat He's got that crazy like van Halen air Kilmer's also got that weird elbow Which is very visible in Heat Interesting, yeah He's got a very pointy elbow Google Val Kilmer elbow

[01:46:43] I'm not fucking extrapolating here Yeah, he does have a weird elbow I want to see it A lot of pictures that are just like a circle around His pointy elbow Weird He's got like a doomsday elbow Where spikes are growing out of his body

[01:46:59] I was going to say The Saint The Saint feels like a Ben movie I would like to see The Saint Surely, please Give me, give me I'd like to see Here we go Surely Lee It's weird It is weird Number four So that opens to 8.4 million

[01:47:25] Which is the beginning of a not very big It did okay But in classic Michael Mann fashion It was incredibly long and really expensive Growing on our show He was six cuts away from landing On the definitive cut of that movie Number four is a sequel

[01:47:41] To a comedy hit That was a remake Father Bride Part 2 Oh I was still processing Is the father of the Bride movie That I think we've talked about this That I've seen a lot Same here, they played that one on TV a lot more than one

[01:47:59] I've seen the first one like twice And I've seen Father Bride Part 2 like 12 times Yeah, I think I've seen the first one once And the second one like 20 times And he's playing our births And he's like yeah And he's in a lot more of it

[01:48:13] He's like above the title life And also like Seabart and like fucks Diane Keeping the kitchen and knocks her up She's like in her 40's Too late for her And there's the shot of him with the babes Yeah with the babes They also show full penetration

[01:48:29] Which is crazy That movie, yeah It's like Antichrist Number 5 is another remake A very ill advised remake That was a bomb It's also opening this week Sabrina Harrison Ford Sydney Pollock Never remade Hepburn Yeah, wait who's the lady in it It's Julia Ormont

[01:48:55] That's the whole thing, New York Times are at the whole piece of like Here's the next great star Have you read that piece? That is one of the greatest pieces Of entertainment journalism in history Because they had anointed her

[01:49:07] It was what, Legends of the Fall was the one she was in? I don't fucking know And they had all these quotes from all these people Like Steven Spielberg where he was like This is like a once a decade event

[01:49:17] When someone shows up on screen and you realize you're witnessing She's in First Night, I remember that She's a Guinevere But I think Legends of the Fall was the one where she popped And then they said she's gonna play Sabrina And everyone decided she was the thing

[01:49:29] And then she never recovered from that movie She does She was early Gretchen Moll She was, she really was But the piece is fascinating because it's like Talking about the entire machinery around her And her just sort of like being like I like acting

[01:49:43] And the reporter's kind of going like I don't know, I mean it's hard to tell If people are gonna connect or not Good piece, look up Other movies in the top 10, you got GoldenEye You got American President Lovely movie I'm the president I'm gonna get Michael Douglas Casino?

[01:50:03] Maybe we'll do on this podcast one day Far in the future Ace Ventura When Nature Calls Which we're definitely gonna do on this podcast No question And Money Train What are you in Wesley? Act again Subway, good subway movie I used to see The Money Train

[01:50:23] Ben has written down Ben wrote down keep going What if Hangover but Teenagers the Buzz? Now we're done, we're done We are Next is fucking the Ice Storm I can't wait You got a guess for the Ice Storm? Why you wanna come back?

[01:50:43] I need to see the Ice Storm It wasn't very complete as with Ang Lee Classic Shirley where she's like Oh you gotta guess for the Ice Storm I'm like oh I don't know She's like cause I haven't seen it I'll just watch it later

[01:50:57] I'll be back in town soon And I can't hang out with you apparently Shirley, thank you so much For being a guest on this I'm saying this episode You're breaking big I'm sorry I know Ben's throwing a little tantrum But this episode was fucking gold

[01:51:15] Kind of all time This episode was Shirley Bassey This episode was spandau ballet This episode got into a smelting accident Ben This episode was a second generation Pokemon game Are you gonna be this angry when you win the Oscar For this episode?

[01:51:35] Cause you're the producer, if this episode wins Best Picture You get that trophy You represent the entire country And I will be furious You'll get on board and you'll say No one like this What? For this? I do not accept this I don't want this

[01:51:53] We do this podcast Can you believe it? I go to an office and people are like How was that? And what do I say? Great, it was really good Can you believe that you brought us to this company

[01:52:05] You were like well the first thing I need to bring is this Can you believe that people wanna advertise on this show? Absolutely The American Dream I'll cut all that out Oh man you're this podcast's Ang Lee Yeah So who am I? You're the ampersand between the senses

[01:52:27] Here's a big question Do we play Shirley as For this episode at the Oscars Do we play Shirley as leader supporting? I think Shirley might be lead Cause she is the female lead of this episode It's a lot of pressure I also wanna know my competition

[01:52:43] That's true because you need to know Is Viola gonna go leader supporting That's true If she's getting else naughty You can play it by ear Ben just gave me the look of pure hatred People can follow Shirley Shirley Lee on Twitter What's your twitter handle?

[01:53:01] Is it still that funny kind of weird It's at Shirkles XP Oh yeah And I'm never gonna change it It is spelled S-H-I-R-K-L-E-S-X-P If you can't remember that I'm gonna entertain it weekly Easy to find Shirkles in college or something Is that where that comes from?

[01:53:23] Yeah, my software year roommate Called me Shirkles and I was like great And the XP is another story Windows XP, you just love Windows XP so much No, it's partly that And also because And I thought I was being hilarious I know Shirley XP well enough

[01:53:40] Look there weren't that many I didn't have that many pals on Twitter I remember when we hired you at the Atlantic So I knew you were coming aboard But you hadn't joined yet You started faving my tweets and I was like Who the fuck is Shirkles XP

[01:53:54] Then I realized it was Shirley It was a good fun time for everybody Man, I feel like I should And then we were together for the end of the website We were together for the sinking of the ship That's right We watched it go down

[01:54:08] We clung onto a float and then Yoram Griffith pulled us out And I enjoyed, we had like this private slack Griffith was like I'm starting to agree with Ben now There was a slack that was just What was it, cut wire? Downed wire Thank you all for listening

[01:54:24] Please remember to rate, review and subscribe Shout out to you Thanks to Ange for Gouda For our social media Joe Bowen and Pat Reynolds for our artwork Lay Montgomery for our theme song Go to Blankys.Reddit.com And we'll see you next week Bye

[01:55:13] I feel like there's the impression I wanted though Obviously Hello Fanny Do you want to do Alan? Because I'm gonna whiff on that Cause my girlfriend keeps going like he's so hit I mean he's striking Save it for the mic God damn it I gotta talk about it

[01:55:35] Okay, where's this quote That was scary Hello Looking for something No that's not What does he say to Harry? He's like Harry Potter A new Celebrity Is his teeth just constantly clenched when he's done? I think it's like

[01:56:05] Somehow he just makes a word like drip out of his mouth Somehow you know It's his lips It's his lips Oh true Shirley Lee What's your middle name? Shirley actually Okay are you on the quotes page?

[01:56:23] Oh me? I can get on the quotes page if you want me to Want me to get on this quote? Yeah Your iPad is so comically large Compared to your body A normal sized iPad Well cause I dropped one So now I got this heavy duty

[01:56:39] That's like a real heavy duty case Should test it Wow this is rated PG What the fuck is even remotely PG in this movie Alright what do you want? Where is it here? I had it It's all the Rickman Too much Thank you for being on time

[01:56:59] So we're 45 minutes No no This is part of the process It's the one that starts with have you Really been to the East Indies Colonel Sure I see it Am I Margaret? Do you want to do it Shirley? No you go ahead this is fine

[01:57:21] Alright fine are we going?