Sense8

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David

[00:00:05] Blank Check with Tisado to Expert

[00:00:13] All you need in the show is Blank Check

[00:00:36] Hi everybody, my name is Griffin Newman

[00:00:48] I'm David Sims

[00:00:49] This is a podcast called Blank Check with Griffin and David

[00:00:56] Okay

[00:00:57] Colin the Podchowski Castors

[00:01:01] This is a movie podcast

[00:01:03] We talk about directors

[00:01:04] Movies

[00:01:05] They've been given Blank Checks to make crazy projects because of early successes

[00:01:11] Yes

[00:01:12] And we chart that whole fucking filmography

[00:01:14] Pre-Blank Check, The Blank Check, Post-Blank Check

[00:01:18] And we're in post now

[00:01:19] We're at the last project

[00:01:20] This is a Blank Check project for sure

[00:01:23] No question

[00:01:24] We're gonna do a bonus episode

[00:01:25] But this is the last Wachowski project

[00:01:27] This is the most recent Wachowski project to date

[00:01:29] That's what we're talking about

[00:01:30] Wachowskies

[00:01:31] Yeah, this is called the Podchowski Castors

[00:01:33] Yeah, in case you didn't get the title

[00:01:35] I did say that

[00:01:36] Oh you did, I forgot

[00:01:37] I'm so tired from this show

[00:01:38] We're both tired

[00:01:39] Okay, so David and I both crammed this show in

[00:01:43] We both stayed up late last night

[00:01:45] Do you wanna know what

[00:01:46] The show is called Sense8

[00:01:48] Yes, it's a 12 episode Netflix drama

[00:01:51] I'm sorry, a Netflix original drama

[00:01:54] Netflix original series

[00:01:55] It's a drama, 12 episode, first season

[00:01:58] It's what we're talking about today

[00:02:00] Each episode is a give or take an hour long

[00:02:03] Most of them a little bit over

[00:02:05] Oh yeah

[00:02:06] Both of us sort of got cocky

[00:02:07] I think in our ability to finish this

[00:02:09] We did, I finished it

[00:02:10] Finish it this morning

[00:02:11] We did finish it

[00:02:12] But I'm saying we lost a lot of sleep

[00:02:13] Finishing it in time for this episode

[00:02:15] Here's what I did

[00:02:16] Because I'm an idiot

[00:02:17] This was my strategy

[00:02:18] You're an idiot

[00:02:19] I'm an idiot

[00:02:20] My strategy was

[00:02:21] Watch an episode

[00:02:22] And take like a 20 minute nap

[00:02:25] And watch another episode

[00:02:26] That's a weird strategy

[00:02:27] I didn't sleep last night

[00:02:28] I just took a little mini naps in between episode

[00:02:31] I don't know what to say about this

[00:02:33] I do too, okay

[00:02:34] So

[00:02:35] Hi guys

[00:02:36] Hi guys, how are you doing?

[00:02:37] I hope you're all doing well

[00:02:38] Yes, yes

[00:02:39] Nice to

[00:02:40] I was gonna say see you again

[00:02:41] We're not seeing you

[00:02:42] Nice to talk to you

[00:02:43] Nice to talk to you again

[00:02:44] It's a privilege, I'm not an inner privilege

[00:02:46] We, you know last week

[00:02:48] Covered the film

[00:02:49] Jupiter Ascending

[00:02:51] That film is

[00:02:53] Two hours

[00:02:54] And seven minutes long

[00:02:55] Yeah, right

[00:02:56] Nice length for a film

[00:02:57] Our episode on that film was

[00:02:59] Two hours and seven minutes long

[00:03:01] Very good

[00:03:02] A friend of the podcast Lex

[00:03:03] Pointed out that it was

[00:03:05] The exact same runtime

[00:03:06] Which was, she was like

[00:03:08] Was that intentional?

[00:03:09] And I was like no

[00:03:10] We just were very indulgent

[00:03:11] We really were

[00:03:12] Really were

[00:03:13] But the point is

[00:03:14] Today we're covering Sense8

[00:03:16] Which is a combined

[00:03:17] 13 hours long

[00:03:19] It's probably not that long

[00:03:21] It's like 12 hours long

[00:03:22] 12.30

[00:03:23] A tight 12.30

[00:03:24] It's long

[00:03:25] We're covering the whole season

[00:03:27] We basically watched six movies

[00:03:29] In a week

[00:03:30] That's what I was saying to Griffin

[00:03:31] Before we started this

[00:03:33] Now David, you've worked as a TV critic before

[00:03:35] Yeah, uh, yeah

[00:03:36] I am a, yeah

[00:03:37] I've done a lot of TV criticism

[00:03:39] Over the years

[00:03:40] You've had experience binging shows

[00:03:42] Yeah, this, I mean people

[00:03:43] This is the thing

[00:03:44] It's like we're like

[00:03:45] Oh my god

[00:03:46] We watched a whole show in a week

[00:03:47] And so many people

[00:03:49] I think are like

[00:03:50] I do that all the time

[00:03:51] Like I binge a show all the time

[00:03:52] I never binge

[00:03:53] Yeah, I don't either

[00:03:55] Once in a while

[00:03:56] Maybe a comedy show

[00:03:57] Like when Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt

[00:03:59] Pops out

[00:04:00] I'll watch that

[00:04:01] Pretty fast

[00:04:02] Probably within a week

[00:04:03] But not like

[00:04:04] In a day

[00:04:05] Or you know

[00:04:06] In a couple in a weekend or whatever

[00:04:07] See I'm a meticulous watcher

[00:04:08] I like to watch an episode

[00:04:09] And pour myself a cup of tea

[00:04:11] Process it, you know

[00:04:13] When I was in college

[00:04:15] I would binge

[00:04:16] A lot of stuff

[00:04:17] There's one time

[00:04:18] I remember like really

[00:04:19] I, two times I believe

[00:04:20] I've really full-forced

[00:04:21] Binge the show

[00:04:22] One was

[00:04:23] Sensei

[00:04:24] Well now

[00:04:25] This is the third one

[00:04:26] One was

[00:04:27] My roommates had watched

[00:04:28] All but the last episode

[00:04:30] Of The Jynx

[00:04:31] Mm-hmm

[00:04:32] That was just six episodes

[00:04:34] Right, but when the finale

[00:04:35] Of The Jynx was airing

[00:04:36] They were like, Griff

[00:04:37] You gotta watch this thing

[00:04:38] Before the finale

[00:04:39] Or because the ending's crazy

[00:04:40] And I didn't want to be spoiled

[00:04:41] Or they had watched all of it

[00:04:42] And the next morning

[00:04:43] They were like

[00:04:44] Watched before anyone spoiled it

[00:04:45] Because I watched all six

[00:04:46] Episodes in one day

[00:04:47] Once again, like six episodes

[00:04:48] And very gripping

[00:04:49] Very gripping

[00:04:50] Very gripping

[00:04:51] I was very depressed alone

[00:04:53] In a hotel room

[00:04:54] In a town where I didn't know anybody

[00:04:55] And I watched all of the Netflix

[00:04:56] The rest of the development season

[00:04:57] Like straight through

[00:04:58] Sorry

[00:04:59] Which was tough

[00:05:00] Sorry about it

[00:05:01] But both of those were like

[00:05:02] Weird conditions

[00:05:03] And this was also a weird condition

[00:05:04] Yeah

[00:05:05] I definitely, now having watched it

[00:05:07] Like ideally would

[00:05:08] Watch an episode of this show

[00:05:10] Wait maybe a couple of weeks

[00:05:12] Watch another one

[00:05:13] Yeah, I actually try not to ever

[00:05:16] Watch back-to-back episodes

[00:05:18] Of these hour long

[00:05:19] I have a lot of thoughts on

[00:05:21] Quote-unquote like peak TV

[00:05:23] And all this stuff

[00:05:24] And I do think this show is emblematic

[00:05:26] In every way of the indulgences

[00:05:29] Of that phenomenon

[00:05:32] Of what's happening in the world of television

[00:05:34] I agree

[00:05:35] Here's something I think is

[00:05:37] I liked the show

[00:05:38] I actually did

[00:05:39] I do too

[00:05:40] I appreciated it

[00:05:41] And I think it occupies

[00:05:42] A wonderful spot

[00:05:44] In pop culture

[00:05:46] That is like pretty under

[00:05:48] You know, represented

[00:05:49] I mean here's my capsule review of it

[00:05:51] Okay, before we like

[00:05:52] It's exhausting

[00:05:53] It's an exhausting show

[00:05:54] My point is this isn't going to be

[00:05:55] That much of a recap episode

[00:05:56] Because A, it's not really a show

[00:05:57] You can recap

[00:05:58] We usually recap plots

[00:05:59] Of the movies we're talking about

[00:06:00] I think we could genuinely recap it

[00:06:03] In like 20 minutes

[00:06:04] Okay

[00:06:05] I mean at least very broad-screw

[00:06:06] But go on

[00:06:07] Yeah

[00:06:08] And then

[00:06:09] So I think it might be

[00:06:11] Talking more general

[00:06:12] Here's my capsule thought in the show

[00:06:13] Okay

[00:06:14] I think what the show does well

[00:06:16] It not only does better than any other show

[00:06:18] But is aiming to do things differently

[00:06:20] Than any other show has ever done

[00:06:22] Mmm

[00:06:23] You know?

[00:06:24] Mmm-hmm

[00:06:25] So I like give it big gold star for that

[00:06:27] Much like any Wachowski project

[00:06:29] It is overreaching

[00:06:31] And you applaud it's overreaching

[00:06:33] And I think it's the least well executed

[00:06:35] Of anything they've ever made

[00:06:37] Yeah, I think it has a lot of the growing pains

[00:06:39] That probably comes with

[00:06:41] A switch to a different format

[00:06:43] Yeah, yeah

[00:06:44] And the lack of control

[00:06:47] I think that is evident

[00:06:48] In all of these Netflix shows

[00:06:50] Yeah

[00:06:51] Where Netflix is kind of

[00:06:52] Very indulgent of their creators

[00:06:54] Which is you know good and bad

[00:06:55] And they're just like

[00:06:56] You know make the thing you want to make

[00:06:59] And so

[00:07:00] They give you your release

[00:07:01] And you can hang yourself by it

[00:07:02] If you want

[00:07:03] And the Wachowskis are great filmmakers

[00:07:05] But TV is a very different medium than film

[00:07:07] Yeah

[00:07:08] And certain people are suited for it

[00:07:09] And other people are not

[00:07:11] And like some of their strength

[00:07:12] Shined through in this

[00:07:13] But in some ways this medium

[00:07:15] Is tough for them

[00:07:17] I mean I was reading a lot of

[00:07:19] Jupiter sending pieces in the last week

[00:07:20] Since we were recording our episode

[00:07:21] Sure, sure

[00:07:22] And I read a long one

[00:07:23] A listener tweeted at us

[00:07:25] About the chase sequence

[00:07:27] Yeah, I read it too

[00:07:28] Where they shot in six minute increments

[00:07:30] That like that big

[00:07:31] That big chase sequence that we said

[00:07:32] Took six months

[00:07:33] It was like they liked the sunrise

[00:07:35] Yeah, so they shot this six minutes

[00:07:37] Every day of when this

[00:07:39] When the light was right

[00:07:40] When the light was right

[00:07:41] So they did like six minutes of that scene per day

[00:07:43] So it was correct

[00:07:44] They did it for six months

[00:07:45] Yeah, it just wasn't six months straight

[00:07:46] But like okay

[00:07:48] So you look at that type of thing

[00:07:49] And then you also look at

[00:07:51] Talk at Jupiter sending

[00:07:52] They were like have this idea come about

[00:07:53] And they were like well

[00:07:55] It was an interview they had done

[00:07:56] And they were like

[00:07:57] Well we had this idea before Cloud Atlas

[00:07:59] And then after Cloud Atlas was done

[00:08:01] We really got serious about it

[00:08:03] But like the first two years

[00:08:05] When we had the idea before Cloud Atlas

[00:08:06] We were really just doing design work

[00:08:08] Right

[00:08:09] Like we did two years of just

[00:08:10] Design work trying to figure out

[00:08:11] The look of the thing before we even wrote it

[00:08:13] And it's like okay that's the meticulousness

[00:08:15] With which the Wachowski's

[00:08:17] Like to craft stuff

[00:08:18] Sure

[00:08:19] If you're making 12 plus hours of content

[00:08:21] You can't be that precious about it

[00:08:23] Because you have to make a lot more

[00:08:25] Yeah, I guess so

[00:08:26] But they're not

[00:08:27] That's not how they think about this at all

[00:08:29] No but I think

[00:08:30] I mean here's the thing

[00:08:31] It's not that I think they were like

[00:08:32] Okay we'll lose some battles

[00:08:34] We don't care

[00:08:35] But I do think having worked a lot

[00:08:37] In TV right

[00:08:38] Mm-hmm

[00:08:39] Um, there is

[00:08:43] Working in TV

[00:08:45] Has made me understand

[00:08:47] Why some TV feels really sloppy

[00:08:49] Uh-huh

[00:08:50] Because it is this like

[00:08:52] Speeding train medium

[00:08:54] Right

[00:08:55] You have one episode

[00:08:57] That you have to finish by a certain day

[00:08:58] Right

[00:08:59] Because the next episode has to start up

[00:09:01] Right after that

[00:09:02] And you have a different director

[00:09:03] Doing the next episode

[00:09:04] They did seven out of twelve

[00:09:05] Yeah this is I would say

[00:09:07] I think everything you're saying is true

[00:09:08] But also this did not obey the traditional formulas

[00:09:10] Of production

[00:09:11] I know, I know

[00:09:12] And that's you know

[00:09:13] It's not completely beholden to that

[00:09:15] No

[00:09:16] But I do see a bit of that

[00:09:17] Where there are like certain sequences

[00:09:19] I think it's less visually ambitious

[00:09:20] Than they usually are

[00:09:21] Yes

[00:09:22] Because they don't have the time to shoot

[00:09:24] Six minutes a day for six months

[00:09:25] Okay but it is visually ambitious

[00:09:27] In another way

[00:09:28] That's unprecedented for TV

[00:09:29] Which is that it's shot all over the world

[00:09:31] Which is crazy

[00:09:32] And I don't know how they accomplish it

[00:09:33] I don't either

[00:09:34] But I think that's

[00:09:35] They made that decision

[00:09:36] Which is huge

[00:09:37] And gives the show a lot of power

[00:09:38] Yeah

[00:09:39] And I think in like in

[00:09:41] In making that decision

[00:09:42] They lost another battle

[00:09:43] Which is like

[00:09:44] Some of these scenes feel like one takers

[00:09:46] Oh that's possible

[00:09:48] Do you know what I'm saying

[00:09:49] Well let's get into this show

[00:09:50] Okay let's get into this show

[00:09:51] Because I feel like now we're just getting into

[00:09:52] Nitty gritty without

[00:09:53] Actually talking about this show

[00:09:54] But there's another guy I want to bring

[00:09:55] Into our discussion

[00:09:56] Right now with this very dry discussion

[00:09:57] Yeah, yeah let's get out of the dry

[00:09:58] Come on, come on

[00:09:59] Yeah we gotta get some bits in here

[00:10:00] Just one thing

[00:10:01] This show was ordered for ten

[00:10:02] And they convinced Netflix

[00:10:04] To give them two extra episodes

[00:10:05] Okay well fuck that

[00:10:06] Because I lost two hours of sleep last night

[00:10:08] It's not like they had to fill

[00:10:11] Like they had so much they wanted to do

[00:10:13] That they pushed it out

[00:10:15] Which once you watch the show

[00:10:17] The show has a lot of stuff

[00:10:20] That is not propulsive in terms of plot

[00:10:23] I guess is the best way to say it

[00:10:26] I feel like it could have been

[00:10:27] Six or eight episodes

[00:10:28] I think this could have been

[00:10:29] Very easily a two and a half hour film

[00:10:31] I do too

[00:10:32] Yeah

[00:10:33] 100%

[00:10:34] I read an interview where

[00:10:35] They said that they like when

[00:10:36] They came to Strasinski

[00:10:37] Because Strasinski wrote every episode

[00:10:39] Of Babylon 5

[00:10:40] Right

[00:10:41] Yeah he's a psychopath

[00:10:42] Right so the three of them

[00:10:43] Wrote the whole season together

[00:10:44] They went to him because they were like

[00:10:45] We don't have experience in TV

[00:10:46] And writing this much this fast

[00:10:48] You know can you help us with this

[00:10:50] And he said that they apparently pitched him

[00:10:52] A five season arc

[00:10:54] Well yeah well also you know

[00:10:55] Babylon 5 was the same

[00:10:56] Babylon 5 was literally he wrote

[00:10:58] Like five seasons and he was like

[00:11:00] It ends after five seasons

[00:11:01] No questions asked

[00:11:02] Now what's weird is that this

[00:11:04] Show feels like it could be a tight movie

[00:11:06] He wrote 92 out of 110 episodes

[00:11:08] Sorry

[00:11:09] Okay

[00:11:10] For the record

[00:11:11] Oh Babylon 5

[00:11:12] Watching the series you're like

[00:11:14] I mean it's his you know

[00:11:15] Yeah the first seven episodes are

[00:11:17] So slow in so many ways that you're like

[00:11:19] Okay but when this thing comes together

[00:11:20] It's gonna really pop

[00:11:21] And then the way the season ends is

[00:11:23] Just sort of like well that's the end

[00:11:24] Of that season

[00:11:25] Yep more to come

[00:11:26] Right

[00:11:27] This show should have ended with

[00:11:29] Episode 10

[00:11:30] Alright you want to introduce the producer Ben

[00:11:32] Spoiler alert

[00:11:33] Yeah producer Ben that's his name

[00:11:35] Ben Hosley

[00:11:36] Hello

[00:11:37] The end the book closes

[00:11:38] Wow Griffin is giving me as close to

[00:11:40] An angry look as I've ever seen him give me

[00:11:42] It's more of like just a look

[00:11:44] But it's from for Griffin is pretty angry

[00:11:46] Cause I'm usually ear to ear grinning

[00:11:49] Hey fennel friends

[00:11:50] How's everybody doing

[00:11:54] So this is Ben Hosley he's our producer

[00:11:56] Yeah

[00:11:57] He has a couple other names

[00:11:58] You can call him producer Ben

[00:11:59] Yep

[00:12:00] That is a tight right

[00:12:01] I mean that's not

[00:12:02] I'm not stepping out of line

[00:12:03] If I say you can call him producer Ben

[00:12:04] You said he's our producer

[00:12:05] And his name is Ben

[00:12:06] That's not being silly right

[00:12:07] Yes and I'm fine with that

[00:12:09] I don't like professor crispy

[00:12:11] Well no of course not

[00:12:12] I just want to say that

[00:12:13] I think logically you could also call him

[00:12:15] The Ben Deucer

[00:12:16] Cause that's just a nice poor Manteau

[00:12:17] Of his two

[00:12:18] His title and his name right

[00:12:19] True very true

[00:12:20] And the producer Ben was maybe

[00:12:21] A typo that he made once

[00:12:22] So we ran with him

[00:12:23] No you I think you invented that

[00:12:24] But I can't

[00:12:25] No that was back from talking TCGS

[00:12:27] Okay

[00:12:28] He emailed us and said

[00:12:29] Preduer Ben

[00:12:30] And we made fun of him

[00:12:31] Well no it was in the credits

[00:12:32] It was in the credits

[00:12:33] Yeah of the Chris Gethard show

[00:12:34] Right that's what it was

[00:12:36] JD typed his name and wrong on the

[00:12:38] Creds of the Chris Gethard show

[00:12:39] And called him Preduer Ben

[00:12:40] And then JD defended it

[00:12:42] By saying that

[00:12:43] That was intentional because he's a pro doer

[00:12:45] Yes

[00:12:47] So that's of course though

[00:12:48] I could call him those three names

[00:12:49] Right that's not

[00:12:50] That's not annoying you

[00:12:51] To call me on those three names

[00:12:52] Not at all

[00:12:54] You could also call him

[00:12:55] The tiebreaker

[00:12:56] Birthday Benny

[00:12:57] Mr. Positive

[00:12:58] The poet laureate

[00:12:59] The fuck master

[00:13:00] Not Professor Crispy as we cleanly

[00:13:02] Stated

[00:13:03] He already you know said a

[00:13:05] Shout out to his fennel friends

[00:13:06] But you could call him

[00:13:07] Shout out a hello fennel

[00:13:09] When you see him on the streets

[00:13:11] Yes

[00:13:12] Or see him in the sheets

[00:13:13] Oh boy

[00:13:14] You know when we go through

[00:13:16] A mini series he graduates

[00:13:17] To a different title

[00:13:19] Oh right we're going to debut

[00:13:21] The new title

[00:13:23] Are we for this mini series

[00:13:24] Benny Shyamalan

[00:13:25] That field one

[00:13:27] Producer Ben Kenobi

[00:13:29] Yeah

[00:13:30] Sure

[00:13:31] Kylo Ben

[00:13:32] Yes

[00:13:33] And I think by popular demand

[00:13:34] We accepted a lot of suggestions

[00:13:36] From our Twitter followers

[00:13:37] I think the one that went

[00:13:39] I'm so tired

[00:13:40] I think the one

[00:13:42] That one

[00:13:44] Is

[00:13:45] The Merovinge Ben

[00:13:48] Merovinge Ben or Benavigene

[00:13:50] We're going to have to put this

[00:13:51] To the crowd

[00:13:52] We have a bonus episode coming up

[00:13:54] That's true

[00:13:55] There's not enough definitive

[00:13:56] I don't

[00:13:57] I will also say this bit is

[00:13:59] You know it's really building out names

[00:14:01] I don't know if that one rolls off the tongue

[00:14:03] It's going to be kind of tough

[00:14:04] Benavigene

[00:14:05] Benavigene

[00:14:06] I'll say this though

[00:14:07] Our poll did end today

[00:14:08] For our next mini series

[00:14:10] Yeah I'm actually I've got it right here

[00:14:11] But

[00:14:12] You know I don't think this poll is binding

[00:14:14] That's all I'm going to say

[00:14:16] But I will read out the results

[00:14:17] Okay

[00:14:18] Interesting

[00:14:19] Just because it's kind of close

[00:14:20] Yeah

[00:14:21] You know so

[00:14:22] Bring up the rear

[00:14:23] How many votes did we get in total?

[00:14:24] 314

[00:14:25] Okay

[00:14:26] A gentleman's 314

[00:14:27] Oh okay

[00:14:28] This is to

[00:14:29] We're all over the place in this episode

[00:14:31] Yeah no you guys should get into it

[00:14:32] I just want to say to the listeners though

[00:14:34] I did not watch any more than the first episode

[00:14:37] So you

[00:14:38] Only watched the first episode

[00:14:40] But you developed your theories of what you assumed

[00:14:42] Would happen in the rest of the season

[00:14:43] Yes

[00:14:44] I do have

[00:14:45] I wrote down some predictions

[00:14:47] And so we could later in the episode

[00:14:49] We'll check then on those

[00:14:51] But I think yeah let's just jump in on that

[00:14:53] So you're not trying to be funny here

[00:14:54] You wrote them down

[00:14:55] They're locked in

[00:14:56] They're locked in

[00:14:57] PricewaterhouseCoopers has them

[00:14:58] Let's not do a Neil Patrick Harris here

[00:15:00] Let's not put it in a glass box on the stage

[00:15:02] Or whatever

[00:15:03] We got it

[00:15:04] They'll make some predictions

[00:15:05] It's an Oplexa glass box

[00:15:06] And he'll make some predictions

[00:15:07] Okay

[00:15:08] Results

[00:15:09] Oh yeah so

[00:15:10] We'll you know

[00:15:11] We're almost done with the Wachowskis

[00:15:12] We're going to do another filmmaker next

[00:15:14] We're going to do lots of filmmakers guys

[00:15:16] Yeah okay so people are suggesting

[00:15:17] So don't fret

[00:15:18] There's a thing that I've seen a lot of on Twitter

[00:15:20] In the last week

[00:15:21] Why wasn't this person including the poll?

[00:15:22] We got a long list

[00:15:23] Don't worry about it

[00:15:24] They've occurred to us

[00:15:25] There are very few people that have been suggested

[00:15:27] That we haven't thought of because

[00:15:28] We're playing this out

[00:15:29] This is a fucking evergreen franchise

[00:15:31] We're not doing Peter Jackson

[00:15:33] Why not?

[00:15:34] For a long time

[00:15:35] Because we'd have to watch three

[00:15:36] Hobbit movies

[00:15:38] Yeah but I kind of love that idea

[00:15:39] I kind of love that idea

[00:15:40] But I don't know that our viewer

[00:15:42] Listeners are going to love that idea

[00:15:44] I don't know

[00:15:45] I think people want

[00:15:46] They need a cathartic

[00:15:47] An exorcism of those films

[00:15:49] I don't know

[00:15:50] We'll do them at some point

[00:15:51] Potter or Jack Cast

[00:15:54] That's an even greater reason

[00:15:56] Not to do them

[00:15:57] Potter or Castzen

[00:15:58] The podcast of the rings

[00:16:03] Or whatever

[00:16:04] Yeah

[00:16:05] Okay so bringing up the rear

[00:16:06] In our poll was Catherine Bigelow

[00:16:08] Which you spelt wrong by the way

[00:16:09] I know I fucking

[00:16:10] Good job

[00:16:11] I'm sorry

[00:16:12] 16% of the vote

[00:16:13] Yeah classic patriarchy

[00:16:15] I misspelled her name

[00:16:16] And no one voted for her

[00:16:17] Number three, Shane Black

[00:16:19] With 18% of the vote

[00:16:21] I'm surprised Black beat Bigelow

[00:16:23] I thought Bigelow was going to come in third

[00:16:24] It's a little rude

[00:16:25] Yeah because Black's a bit of a

[00:16:26] Strange suggestion

[00:16:27] Even though I love it

[00:16:28] Yeah but that was an odd ball

[00:16:29] Number two was Cameron Crowe

[00:16:32] With 30% of the vote

[00:16:34] I mean that's the guy we were

[00:16:35] Pushing for

[00:16:36] I think in our hearts

[00:16:37] And then number one is James Cameron

[00:16:39] With 36% of the vote

[00:16:40] I guess we shouldn't be surprised

[00:16:41] No I say we do Cameron Crowe

[00:16:43] That's Mike

[00:16:44] We can talk about it

[00:16:45] And then Cameron

[00:16:47] Look I'd say

[00:16:49] Lock it down in your books

[00:16:50] Our next two mini series are going to be

[00:16:51] Cameron and Cameron

[00:16:53] Cameron and Cameron

[00:16:54] Order to be decided later

[00:16:55] I agree

[00:16:56] We're going to do the two Cameron's

[00:16:57] What are we going to call them

[00:16:59] Cameron and Cameron

[00:17:00] We are the two friends

[00:17:01] We're the two friends

[00:17:02] We forgot to mention that

[00:17:03] You know what's the thing

[00:17:04] I want to start doing

[00:17:07] I feel like

[00:17:08] Because I was looking at

[00:17:09] Like all our candidates of like

[00:17:11] The these potential

[00:17:14] Podcast topics

[00:17:16] And most of them don't have a clean name

[00:17:19] Like Pachowski caspers

[00:17:21] You know that you can work in with their name

[00:17:22] It's true it's true yeah

[00:17:23] So I think what we might have to start doing

[00:17:24] Is like making the mini series title

[00:17:27] A like podcastification of

[00:17:30] Like a famous quote from one of their movies

[00:17:33] Or like the title of one of the

[00:17:34] Do you know what I'm saying

[00:17:35] Yeah I do

[00:17:36] We might have to do like

[00:17:37] Pod the cast of the world

[00:17:38] Or something you know

[00:17:40] Not that though

[00:17:41] Pod the king of the cast

[00:17:43] Not that either

[00:17:45] Podcast me at hello

[00:17:46] Sure you had me at podcast

[00:17:49] Pod me the cast

[00:17:51] You had me at podcasting

[00:17:52] You had me at podcasting

[00:17:53] Show me the podcast

[00:17:54] Show me the podcast

[00:17:57] Show me the podcast

[00:18:00] Oh my god senseate

[00:18:02] Okay right okay so fucking

[00:18:03] That's the original series

[00:18:04] So I'm going to sum it up

[00:18:06] I'm going to do it real fast

[00:18:07] Okay great

[00:18:08] Just listen to me

[00:18:09] Okay I'm listening

[00:18:10] I'm going to drink some water while you're talking

[00:18:12] Senseate is about eight different people

[00:18:15] Around the world

[00:18:16] Who are all born at the exact same moment

[00:18:18] And are mentally linked

[00:18:20] Through some sort of supernatural

[00:18:23] Or evolutionary power in their brains

[00:18:26] And these people are

[00:18:28] A depressed Icelandic DJ

[00:18:32] A Chicago cop

[00:18:34] A Korean businesswoman

[00:18:38] Businesswoman slash underground kickboxer

[00:18:41] A Kenyan bus driver

[00:18:46] A Berlin lock

[00:18:50] Like you know like safecracker

[00:18:52] Like a diamond thief

[00:18:53] Yeah

[00:18:54] A Indian like graduate student

[00:18:59] Or like lab worker

[00:19:01] No she works at the company

[00:19:02] Yeah right

[00:19:03] What company

[00:19:05] Indian

[00:19:06] Yeah

[00:19:07] Her fiance's company

[00:19:09] No I don't think so

[00:19:10] Isn't that where they met

[00:19:11] Doesn't she say that

[00:19:12] I thought they met at school but I can't remember

[00:19:13] She's like a scientist or some sort

[00:19:15] Who is getting married to somebody

[00:19:17] She's engaged to a man

[00:19:19] Very wealthy man

[00:19:20] Yeah

[00:19:21] A Mexican actor

[00:19:23] Who lives in the closet

[00:19:25] But is like a sort of a male hunk star

[00:19:28] This sex symbol to women

[00:19:30] They don't know that he likes

[00:19:32] One man in particular

[00:19:33] His love of his life

[00:19:34] Yes

[00:19:35] And a trans woman hacktivist

[00:19:38] Who lives in San Francisco

[00:19:40] Yeah

[00:19:41] With her girlfriend

[00:19:42] Yeah

[00:19:43] Those are the eight people

[00:19:45] Who are all linked

[00:19:46] They are all sensates

[00:19:47] Yeah

[00:19:48] They are all part of a cluster

[00:19:49] That like so many things in life

[00:19:51] Was activated by the suicide of Daryl Hanna

[00:19:54] Can we talk about like a cushy job

[00:19:58] Daryl Hanna is like

[00:20:00] Technically a regular on this show

[00:20:02] Predated in every episode

[00:20:03] She's barely in this show

[00:20:04] But that means that she gets paid for every episode

[00:20:06] I assume so

[00:20:07] That's how that works

[00:20:08] That's usually how it works

[00:20:10] So she's got one really tough scene

[00:20:12] She's got this opening scene

[00:20:13] Where she kills herself

[00:20:14] It's very sad

[00:20:15] That's tough and it probably took her a couple days

[00:20:16] You know sleep that one off

[00:20:18] But then she just got 12 episodes of pain

[00:20:21] She pops up literally silently

[00:20:23] In some episodes

[00:20:25] But like I mean I don't know that she says another word

[00:20:28] That's a really good joke

[00:20:29] I'm sorry I didn't laugh harder

[00:20:30] I'm just

[00:20:31] Oh my Daryl Hanna joke

[00:20:32] Yeah I'm so tired

[00:20:33] No I think it's really funny now

[00:20:35] I'm just too tired to laugh

[00:20:36] You know it's just like that classic thing

[00:20:38] It's like how'd you get your job

[00:20:39] Well Daryl Hanna committed suicide

[00:20:41] I feel like

[00:20:43] Did I already say this

[00:20:44] I feel like we crammed for a test

[00:20:46] Yeah you said that on Twitter

[00:20:47] And I think that's fair

[00:20:48] Yeah it feels like finals

[00:20:49] Alright so it's interesting

[00:20:50] I'm actually I think I'm way more balanced

[00:20:52] I watched about two episodes a night

[00:20:53] Of this show

[00:20:54] Right

[00:20:55] So I actually

[00:20:56] Even though I

[00:20:57] You know it was a slog

[00:20:58] Like a little bit of a slog

[00:20:59] I don't think I was quite as worn out as you

[00:21:01] You're literally like your eyes are twitching

[00:21:03] At me right now

[00:21:04] Yeah I'm not doing great

[00:21:06] So the thing about the show

[00:21:08] Is I just told you what the show is about

[00:21:10] It's about these eight people who are linked

[00:21:12] They've all got plots

[00:21:14] That are kind of spinning the whole time

[00:21:17] Some of them are a little more specific

[00:21:20] Like a couple of these characters

[00:21:21] Are sort of mixed up with a criminal underworld

[00:21:25] You know there's some really soapy

[00:21:26] Kind of crazy stuff in another couple of you know

[00:21:29] Then some of them don't really do a ton at all

[00:21:32] But they're just kind of hanging out

[00:21:34] And they all begin to like visit each other

[00:21:36] In each other's brains

[00:21:38] And share each other's memories

[00:21:40] And they can share each other's skills

[00:21:42] And they can help each other out

[00:21:44] They've all got kind of like a special gift

[00:21:46] Like one of them can crack a safe

[00:21:48] One of them is a kickboxer

[00:21:49] One of them is a hacker

[00:21:50] You know like they've all got these

[00:21:52] One of them is an actor

[00:21:53] He's good at pretending

[00:21:54] Yeah David's gesturing to me

[00:21:56] I guess I am yeah

[00:21:58] One of them is a cop you know

[00:22:00] And he can pick a handcuff like

[00:22:02] It's like what if Ocean's 11 was since 8

[00:22:04] And they could all become one person

[00:22:06] With all those skills in one person

[00:22:08] And Naveen Andrews

[00:22:10] A wonderful actor who I adore

[00:22:12] Is kind of their Yoda

[00:22:14] He's someone from another cluster

[00:22:15] Who for some reason is in all their heads

[00:22:18] I guess because they all saw him

[00:22:19] Because he was with Daryl Hannah

[00:22:21] I don't know

[00:22:22] Yeah

[00:22:23] And so he's kind of trying to nudge them along

[00:22:25] Into figuring out how to use their powers

[00:22:27] But here's

[00:22:28] I was talking to my friend Todd Van der Werf

[00:22:30] Who is my former colleague at the AV club

[00:22:32] When we wrote about TV together

[00:22:34] And now he works at Vox

[00:22:35] About this show and we were saying

[00:22:37] Did he cover the show?

[00:22:38] He's seen it

[00:22:39] I think he wrote about it

[00:22:40] Yeah

[00:22:41] And we were saying what worked about it

[00:22:42] And what didn't

[00:22:43] And he was like the show should be

[00:22:45] Like every episode is like

[00:22:47] Oh no a problem

[00:22:49] I'm 8 people

[00:22:50] And then like they deal with that

[00:22:51] And cool

[00:22:52] Agreed

[00:22:53] You know how to deal with this problem

[00:22:55] Is that I'm 8 people

[00:22:56] And whoa that's crazy

[00:22:57] What you want to see is

[00:22:59] The adult version of Voltron

[00:23:01] You're stepping on Ben's toes there

[00:23:04] Oh my god

[00:23:05] Really?

[00:23:06] Yeah of course

[00:23:07] I was like

[00:23:08] Maybe they all come together into one big person

[00:23:11] Like Voltron

[00:23:13] So we've already hit one of my points

[00:23:15] Ben, great minds, think, alike

[00:23:18] Are you guys sensates?

[00:23:19] Maybe

[00:23:20] Oh god

[00:23:22] So the show doesn't do much of that

[00:23:24] It does a little of that

[00:23:25] But it doesn't

[00:23:26] That's not the core premise of the show

[00:23:28] There's like one moment of that per episode

[00:23:29] Here's what the show is about

[00:23:30] Yeah

[00:23:31] We should all be nice to each other

[00:23:33] And empathetic because we like

[00:23:36] Are a collective being

[00:23:38] And like humanity should

[00:23:40] It's not good to be nice to each other

[00:23:41] Right

[00:23:42] Which is the overarching thesis

[00:23:43] Of all Wachowski stuff

[00:23:45] And so like watching them hit

[00:23:47] The same point again on this one

[00:23:48] Even though they hit it from some different angles

[00:23:50] And it's kind of an inverse

[00:23:51] Of the cloud atlas thing

[00:23:53] Where it's like what if each actor is six people

[00:23:55] Right

[00:23:56] It's like what if each actor is one part of

[00:23:59] One eighth of a person

[00:24:00] Right, exactly

[00:24:01] Um

[00:24:02] But they are all their own people

[00:24:04] They're all their own people

[00:24:05] When it's stressed out

[00:24:06] When it's stretched out this long

[00:24:08] It's 12 episodes

[00:24:09] You sort of go like

[00:24:10] Yeah I've seen the other Wachowski movies

[00:24:11] I get the point here

[00:24:12] There's this thing that Roger Ebert used to say

[00:24:14] That he thinks

[00:24:15] He thought, he thought because he's dead now

[00:24:17] He thought that the most

[00:24:18] Like David's making his frowning face

[00:24:20] Good man, dead man

[00:24:22] He would argue that

[00:24:24] Like the most powerful

[00:24:26] Use of cinema

[00:24:28] As an art form

[00:24:29] Was as like an empathy machine

[00:24:31] Yeah

[00:24:32] He was like that's this amazing thing that movies can do

[00:24:33] Is they can put you in someone else's shoes

[00:24:35] And someone else's head

[00:24:36] And their emotions

[00:24:37] For like two hours

[00:24:39] You know give or take

[00:24:40] And that's what films can do

[00:24:41] And I feel like the Wachowskis

[00:24:42] Really take that to heart

[00:24:44] And this whole like

[00:24:45] We're all connected

[00:24:46] Thing that they've been getting at

[00:24:47] I think it's less about like

[00:24:49] Hey, it doesn't matter

[00:24:50] We're all the same person

[00:24:51] Like it's not about wiping out

[00:24:53] Our cultures

[00:24:54] Our backgrounds

[00:24:55] Our races

[00:24:56] Our genders

[00:24:57] But it's about like

[00:24:58] You know

[00:24:59] You don't know what it's like to be another person

[00:25:01] But you should empathize with every other person's struggles

[00:25:03] Because we're all human

[00:25:04] And we all feel whatever we're feeling

[00:25:06] Right?

[00:25:07] Yeah

[00:25:08] Which this film

[00:25:09] This film

[00:25:10] This show hits it really hard

[00:25:11] Part of that is because

[00:25:13] It is

[00:25:15] It doesn't have the same sort of blockbuster constraints

[00:25:17] That all their other work does

[00:25:19] Usually working in like

[00:25:21] Big hundred million dollar plus

[00:25:23] Films

[00:25:24] That need to play in a certain way

[00:25:26] Yeah

[00:25:27] Although Cloud Atlas

[00:25:28] Not so much

[00:25:29] Doesn't play in a certain way

[00:25:30] They still wanted that movie to do well

[00:25:32] No I know

[00:25:33] I know it just

[00:25:34] Cloud Atlas doesn't have like

[00:25:35] Action sequences quite as frequently or whatever

[00:25:37] But go on, Carrie

[00:25:38] I mean the whole Neosoul sequence is pretty action

[00:25:40] Yeah but that's one sequence

[00:25:41] Well yeah

[00:25:42] And the other thing is

[00:25:43] When you look at Cloud Atlas

[00:25:44] And it's like six stories

[00:25:45] And they got it done in three hours

[00:25:46] Sure

[00:25:47] Right

[00:25:48] And the movie feels pretty brisk after watching this show

[00:25:50] Yes it does

[00:25:52] Because it's like six

[00:25:53] Six in three

[00:25:54] So you go like eight

[00:25:55] Maybe get it done in four

[00:25:56] And they're like nope

[00:25:57] Twelve

[00:25:58] The thing is

[00:25:59] The show is not as sci-fi

[00:26:01] As it sounds

[00:26:02] It's really not

[00:26:03] No

[00:26:04] It's more of a soapy melodrama

[00:26:06] Like just a straight up

[00:26:08] It's funny because Strzeginski

[00:26:10] He writes a lot of stuff

[00:26:11] Like obviously he's worked in many genres

[00:26:13] But he's a sci-fi guy

[00:26:14] Like he's like

[00:26:15] And he even like wrote comics for a while

[00:26:17] Like he's been a fighter man for a while

[00:26:18] Like he works in like high genre

[00:26:21] And this is just not that at all

[00:26:23] No

[00:26:24] It's really not

[00:26:25] The only sci-fi concept

[00:26:26] Is this idea of sort of sharing each other's brains

[00:26:29] Which is very vague

[00:26:31] And like not explained

[00:26:32] Like the specifics of it are kept pretty low

[00:26:35] Like they don't

[00:26:36] It feels like that's like 10% of each episode

[00:26:38] Until the last three

[00:26:39] Where it becomes the overarching thing

[00:26:41] So I mean I have a problem with peak TV

[00:26:43] Okay get into it

[00:26:45] I'm like a TV critic

[00:26:46] I've been a TV critic for almost 10 years

[00:26:48] Congratulations

[00:26:49] Happy anniversary

[00:26:50] Longer than 10 years

[00:26:51] What am I saying

[00:26:52] Jesus I'm so old

[00:26:53] And I've been writing about TV for a long time

[00:26:56] And I think that now you know

[00:26:58] Anyone it's boring to note

[00:27:00] You know there's literally three times as many

[00:27:02] Scripted shows as the word

[00:27:03] Like when I started doing it

[00:27:04] There's so much original TV

[00:27:07] And there's all these networks

[00:27:08] Where you can do anything you want

[00:27:10] Like Amazon

[00:27:11] You know with the tick

[00:27:12] Premiering in August on Amazon

[00:27:13] Exactly

[00:27:14] And so it's encouraged this like

[00:27:18] Incredibly slow brand of storytelling

[00:27:22] That I understand it's like

[00:27:24] An interesting thing

[00:27:26] I don't know

[00:27:27] I'm not gonna really defend it

[00:27:28] It drives me crazy

[00:27:29] Okay so I

[00:27:30] I've written like whole articles about this

[00:27:32] Like The Path

[00:27:33] Which was a recent Hulu drama

[00:27:35] Was the most recent example of this

[00:27:38] Really pissing me off

[00:27:39] Where I watched the pilot

[00:27:40] And I was like

[00:27:41] I feel like I just watched

[00:27:42] 10 minutes of a pilot

[00:27:43] But it was an hour

[00:27:44] Yeah

[00:27:45] You know like

[00:27:46] Do this faster

[00:27:47] Like we know what's gonna happen

[00:27:49] I agree 100%

[00:27:51] I'm getting to a point here

[00:27:53] I'm gonna restate some obvious stuff

[00:27:54] But in the name of making

[00:27:56] A larger point here okay

[00:27:58] Used to be TV was a thing

[00:28:01] Where if you weren't sitting on your couch

[00:28:03] The time the thing aired

[00:28:04] You missed it

[00:28:05] True

[00:28:06] So TV by design had to be

[00:28:08] Loose enough

[00:28:10] That you could like

[00:28:11] Catch up

[00:28:12] Maybe you wouldn't have to watch six seasons

[00:28:14] Of something just to understand

[00:28:15] What was going on

[00:28:16] Right

[00:28:17] So the design of TV was

[00:28:18] Make every episode as interesting as it can be

[00:28:20] Sure but also pretty contained

[00:28:22] Right but that was the thing

[00:28:23] It was like each episode should work

[00:28:24] As its own thing

[00:28:25] So that's the only episode you ever see

[00:28:26] Maybe it'll be a little lost

[00:28:28] But you'll enjoy the ride

[00:28:30] Like what's this show Law and Order

[00:28:31] Okay I get it

[00:28:32] Law and Order

[00:28:34] Ben Hosley

[00:28:36] I mean you know

[00:28:37] But then they added criminal intent

[00:28:38] And the special

[00:28:39] Alright

[00:28:40] That's a little more complicated

[00:28:41] You know what I'm saying

[00:28:42] But you know

[00:28:43] But you know

[00:28:44] They started adding

[00:28:45] There's obviously long been

[00:28:47] Soapier shows

[00:28:48] Like Dallas or you know

[00:28:49] Sci-Fi shows

[00:28:50] Things like you know

[00:28:51] They have a running story

[00:28:52] Agreed and the gamut of those shows

[00:28:54] Was can we make an appointment television

[00:28:56] Where they have to watch it every week

[00:28:57] But the show still had to be designed

[00:28:58] Where each episode worked on its own

[00:29:01] Even if there was a larger narrative

[00:29:03] Each episode worked on its own

[00:29:05] Right

[00:29:06] You're making one episode at a time

[00:29:07] I get what you're saying

[00:29:09] Then you look at like peak TV

[00:29:11] And it's not my favorite show

[00:29:12] But it's obviously like throwing out a lot of the platonic ideal

[00:29:14] Of like modern television

[00:29:15] You look at Breaking Bad right

[00:29:17] And I think the great success of Breaking Bad is like

[00:29:19] Okay the larger narrative

[00:29:21] Over the course of all those seasons

[00:29:23] Is great

[00:29:24] Each season has its own sort of mini narrative

[00:29:26] What's focused on

[00:29:27] That's great

[00:29:28] But also each episode works on its own

[00:29:30] Yeah well I would say that

[00:29:31] Breaking Bad is a pre peak TV show

[00:29:33] I would say it's more indebted to what

[00:29:35] We've all dubbed the

[00:29:37] Golden Age of television

[00:29:38] Which obeyed the structures that you are

[00:29:40] Referring to

[00:29:41] Right and I think

[00:29:42] Which is like self contained

[00:29:43] Big season arcs that work

[00:29:45] I think it's just

[00:29:46] I'm very nerdy about this

[00:29:47] I think it's something that Joss Whedon

[00:29:49] Pioneered

[00:29:50] Working from the serial

[00:29:52] Structures of shows like The X-Files

[00:29:54] But The X-Files is still mostly not serial

[00:29:56] Like most episodes are their own thing

[00:29:57] Yeah

[00:29:58] Whereas like Joss Whedon was like

[00:29:59] We're gonna have a running story

[00:30:00] In every season

[00:30:01] There's gonna be a big thing at the end

[00:30:02] It's gonna be connected

[00:30:04] Right

[00:30:05] Little more loosely in each episode

[00:30:06] It's just its own thing like you say

[00:30:07] Yeah

[00:30:08] And Breaking Bad does that too

[00:30:09] And a million other shows do it

[00:30:10] Each season is a volume

[00:30:11] Right

[00:30:12] And each episode is a chapter

[00:30:13] Right

[00:30:14] And they're all part of a larger series

[00:30:15] And this is I feel like what governs

[00:30:17] Like so many of the shows that have

[00:30:19] Sparks this new movement

[00:30:21] So like the show's like

[00:30:22] The Sopranos

[00:30:23] Like fucking you know

[00:30:25] Mad Men

[00:30:26] I don't know

[00:30:27] Like all these shows

[00:30:28] The Wire is the one that

[00:30:29] You know

[00:30:30] And then people

[00:30:31] Netflix comes around

[00:30:33] DVRs come around

[00:30:35] And people start watching them

[00:30:37] Kind of in these big chunks

[00:30:38] Right

[00:30:39] You know

[00:30:40] Ooh

[00:30:41] All of a sudden it's like

[00:30:42] Don't have to watch it when it airs

[00:30:43] Lost is a great example

[00:30:45] And people start writing to that

[00:30:46] With the assumption that like

[00:30:47] You can go back and rewind

[00:30:49] Where's the money

[00:30:50] But yes

[00:30:51] But also that like

[00:30:52] You know when

[00:30:54] You're on episode 8

[00:30:56] You won't have a hard time remembering

[00:30:57] What happened episode 1

[00:30:58] Because it wasn't 8 weeks ago

[00:30:59] It was 7 hours ago

[00:31:01] You just can't watch it

[00:31:02] Right

[00:31:03] You know

[00:31:04] I think Breaking Bad is a

[00:31:06] Better example of that than that

[00:31:07] Because like you say

[00:31:08] Breaking Bad

[00:31:09] You know

[00:31:10] Make sure that the episode

[00:31:11] Has some fun

[00:31:12] Yeah

[00:31:13] Like within

[00:31:14] Yeah

[00:31:15] This show I think

[00:31:17] Succeeds on a macro level

[00:31:20] And fails on a micro level

[00:31:22] Yeah

[00:31:23] Like having watched the whole season

[00:31:24] I really appreciate this series

[00:31:26] That I've been said

[00:31:27] I don't think any one episode

[00:31:29] Of this show functions very well

[00:31:30] As an episode of television

[00:31:32] I mean

[00:31:33] Not really

[00:31:34] I don't

[00:31:35] Not really

[00:31:36] These episodes don't have like

[00:31:37] Real arcs in and of themselves

[00:31:39] There's just like a collection of scenes

[00:31:40] And it starts at one point

[00:31:41] And it ends at another point

[00:31:42] Then the next episode starts up

[00:31:44] You know

[00:31:45] They sometimes will have an ending

[00:31:46] That's shocking

[00:31:47] Like it'll be like

[00:31:48] Oh my god

[00:31:49] Caught two credits

[00:31:50] The dad got stabbed

[00:31:52] Which feels like a cliffhanger

[00:31:53] Just to get you to press play

[00:31:54] On the next episode immediately

[00:31:55] Yes

[00:31:56] Which I think is something Neff looks like

[00:31:57] Out of this show

[00:31:58] Yes

[00:31:59] 100%

[00:32:00] But like you could go with this format

[00:32:01] Knowing that people are going to binge it

[00:32:02] And also the idea of this show

[00:32:03] You could see them being like

[00:32:05] Sense 8

[00:32:06] Each episode is focused on one person

[00:32:08] Sure

[00:32:09] Sort of a lost strategy

[00:32:10] Or skins

[00:32:11] A lot of shows that you see

[00:32:12] Right

[00:32:13] Each episode will be about one character

[00:32:14] Or even like

[00:32:15] Cloud Atlas

[00:32:16] If the idea is like

[00:32:17] These characters are going through

[00:32:18] Similar struggles in their life

[00:32:19] Each episode is

[00:32:20] All eight characters dealing with

[00:32:22] Their parents

[00:32:23] Sure

[00:32:24] And the next episode's

[00:32:25] All eight characters dealing with

[00:32:26] You're moving forward in time

[00:32:27] Thematic

[00:32:28] But it's these sort of thematic links

[00:32:29] Or whatever

[00:32:30] You know

[00:32:31] Yeah, Sense 8 doesn't really do that at all

[00:32:32] No

[00:32:33] And there's even this thing

[00:32:34] I mean I was impressed at the beginning of the episode

[00:32:35] When you very quickly stated

[00:32:36] I know you were reading off your Wikipedia

[00:32:37] But you very quickly stated

[00:32:38] All eight people

[00:32:39] Sure

[00:32:40] And what their basic conflicts were

[00:32:41] Because there was a game

[00:32:42] I was playing with myself while watching a show

[00:32:43] And I want to restate

[00:32:44] I like this series

[00:32:45] But I find it frustrating

[00:32:46] In a lot of ways

[00:32:47] Right

[00:32:49] There were a lot of times

[00:32:50] David's giving a big thumbs up

[00:32:51] He wants to reassert

[00:32:52] That he also likes the show

[00:32:54] Then only watched one episode

[00:32:56] I mean it was okay

[00:32:59] There were a bunch of points in the show

[00:33:01] Where I was watching an episode

[00:33:02] And I would just stop and go

[00:33:03] Okay, speed round

[00:33:05] Can you name the other seven characters

[00:33:07] And I couldn't do it

[00:33:09] Like when I was on a scene

[00:33:11] I would go like fuck

[00:33:12] Okay, and I remember four right off the top of my head

[00:33:14] But like some episodes doing a base

[00:33:16] In two shots

[00:33:17] No, yeah for sure

[00:33:18] You know like some episodes characters

[00:33:19] Aren't covered at all

[00:33:20] And it doesn't feel like

[00:33:22] It feels arbitrary which character

[00:33:24] It's totally arbitrary

[00:33:25] There's no thematic

[00:33:26] It's not like the episode will open

[00:33:27] On Wolfgang

[00:33:28] And you're like oh this is going to be a Wolfgang episode

[00:33:30] You might get ten minutes of him

[00:33:32] And then he's kind of not in the rest of the episode

[00:33:34] Like they'll kind of pop in and out

[00:33:36] Yeah, and you also have

[00:33:38] This idea that all these like

[00:33:40] Sensates are being activated

[00:33:42] Their bond, their cluster bond

[00:33:44] Is starting to really activate at this point

[00:33:46] But some of them like

[00:33:48] Nomi's arc is all about her coming to terms with

[00:33:50] Being a sensei

[00:33:52] With these sort of evil forces

[00:33:54] Trying to kick it out of her mind

[00:33:56] Yeah, Nomi's arc is resolved by

[00:33:58] The episode four or something

[00:34:00] Which is crazy

[00:34:01] I'd say six maybe

[00:34:02] Whatever but like this that yeah

[00:34:03] Like some of them

[00:34:04] Nomi has basically gone through the major thing

[00:34:07] Halfway through the show

[00:34:09] Whereas Riley, a Tuppence Middleton's character

[00:34:11] Doesn't do anything

[00:34:13] No

[00:34:14] For ten episodes

[00:34:15] She witnesses a murder in episode one

[00:34:17] She witnesses a murder in episode one

[00:34:18] But after that

[00:34:19] She literally sits in coffee shops

[00:34:21] Looking to press saying almost nothing

[00:34:23] Right and then like

[00:34:26] And then a lot of shit happens all of a sudden

[00:34:28] Doing a Bayes character

[00:34:30] Doesn't even go to jail until episode seven

[00:34:32] She doesn't even kick box until episode three

[00:34:34] She's just a businesswoman in the first two episodes

[00:34:36] And you're just like

[00:34:37] Okay, well why are we cutting to her

[00:34:38] Like what's her deal gonna be

[00:34:40] There's stuff like that

[00:34:41] And watching this made me

[00:34:42] Respect Cloud Atlas even more

[00:34:44] Because like you have wildly different

[00:34:46] Plotlines in that movie right

[00:34:48] And some of them the stakes are a lot higher than others

[00:34:51] Like the Neo Soul plotline is like

[00:34:53] Or die, right

[00:34:54] Whereas like the Timothy Cavendish plotline

[00:34:56] Is like I hope he gets out

[00:34:58] Don't really care

[00:34:59] You know but it's like it's a goofy fun

[00:35:00] But like that movie works of like

[00:35:02] Just the way they weave all the stories together

[00:35:04] In a propulsive way

[00:35:06] And they have these sort of echoes

[00:35:07] And these handshakes

[00:35:08] But they're also sort of like rhythmically

[00:35:10] Like here's three chases going on at the same time

[00:35:13] So the propulsiveness of one chase

[00:35:15] Carries over to the other

[00:35:17] There's a problem in this

[00:35:18] Did you see

[00:35:19] It was fucking one of the best documentary short

[00:35:22] The nominees last year

[00:35:23] Probably not

[00:35:24] Which was a Claude Landisman

[00:35:26] Shadow of Shoah

[00:35:27] No I didn't see that

[00:35:28] I mean I've heard about it

[00:35:29] So it's a 40 minute short documentary

[00:35:31] About Claude Landisman

[00:35:33] The documentary filmmaker

[00:35:35] Making Shoah the documentary

[00:35:37] So it's already a documentary

[00:35:38] About a documentary right

[00:35:40] Shoah of course is this eight hour

[00:35:42] If not longer

[00:35:43] Right like probing like

[00:35:45] Sort of super complete

[00:35:47] Yeah devastating film about

[00:35:50] About the Holocaust

[00:35:52] And this is a 40 minute movie

[00:35:53] About him talking about how difficult it was

[00:35:55] To make Shoah

[00:35:56] And I like hate this movie

[00:35:58] Right

[00:35:59] You hate the documentary

[00:36:00] The documentary

[00:36:01] Yeah Shoah great

[00:36:02] Good work love it

[00:36:03] Hate the Holocaust love Shoah

[00:36:05] Right

[00:36:06] Okay

[00:36:07] The shadows of Shoah movie

[00:36:08] I kept on getting so fucking irritating

[00:36:10] Watching it

[00:36:11] Because

[00:36:12] There are all these scenes where Claude Landisman is like

[00:36:14] It was a very tough day

[00:36:16] From that day

[00:36:17] We lost an entire roll of footage

[00:36:19] And it's like yeah but that footage was about the Holocaust

[00:36:22] Like perspective man you know

[00:36:24] And I'm not saying that like everyone's struggles

[00:36:26] Aren't important and tough

[00:36:28] When you're dealing with them

[00:36:30] But in this movie that's cutting between

[00:36:32] The footage of Shoah

[00:36:33] Where it's people talking about the concentration camps

[00:36:35] And Claude Landisman being like

[00:36:37] And then a light bro

[00:36:38] You're just sort of like get over it dude

[00:36:40] Alright

[00:36:41] And I think Sense8 has a little bit of this problem

[00:36:43] Oh well where we're cutting from

[00:36:45] Like someone's got a gun to their head

[00:36:46] And then it'll cut to like I don't know

[00:36:48] Traffic

[00:36:49] Yeah like you know sometimes it does that

[00:36:52] And that's like part of like these stories being stretched

[00:36:54] Over 12 hours and there being a lot of filler

[00:36:56] It feels like

[00:36:57] It feels like they decided in advance

[00:36:59] Like this is what the arc of the season is

[00:37:01] Let's make it 12 episodes

[00:37:03] And then they worked really slowly

[00:37:05] To get to that end point

[00:37:07] I guess so

[00:37:08] But

[00:37:09] Yeah I don't know

[00:37:10] I mean there are entire things that characters go through

[00:37:12] That could be removed from the season

[00:37:13] That would have no bearing on the story

[00:37:15] You know it's like

[00:37:16] They want to happen

[00:37:17] They want to happen

[00:37:18] I know and they want the polite of scopic

[00:37:20] This is so much about experiences I guess

[00:37:22] And like you know

[00:37:23] I mean

[00:37:24] Yeah

[00:37:25] I mean I can't argue with you

[00:37:26] The funny

[00:37:27] I watched this whole season this week

[00:37:29] I watched

[00:37:31] This is an interesting

[00:37:33] It's almost an interesting sort of experiment

[00:37:35] Because

[00:37:36] Through just random fact that I needed to have this shit on a lot

[00:37:39] In my home

[00:37:41] I watched episode 4

[00:37:43] Which is called What's Going On

[00:37:44] And it's my favorite episode of the show

[00:37:46] I mean I can hardly differentiate

[00:37:48] You'll know what I'm talking about in a second

[00:37:50] With my roommate Molly

[00:37:51] And then later

[00:37:52] I watched episode 9

[00:37:54] Which is called Death Doesn't Let You Say Goodbye

[00:37:56] It might be my least favorite episode

[00:37:58] With my girlfriend

[00:38:00] And like they did not see

[00:38:03] Any other part of the show

[00:38:05] And so episode 4

[00:38:06] What's going on

[00:38:07] Which I think is

[00:38:08] It's definitely where the show kind of clicks

[00:38:10] Or at least you feel

[00:38:12] I mean this is my other objection

[00:38:13] To these drawn out things

[00:38:14] It's like you've invested so much time

[00:38:15] That when something works

[00:38:16] You feel such a payoff

[00:38:18] Cause you're just like oh good

[00:38:19] Like they're good

[00:38:20] That's the one that ends with them listening to

[00:38:23] All

[00:38:24] With Tuppin's listening to

[00:38:25] What's Up by 4-9-1

[00:38:27] And then they all sing it

[00:38:28] And it's wonderful

[00:38:30] It's this thing where

[00:38:31] And it's also

[00:38:32] You've been waiting for them all

[00:38:34] To link up a little more

[00:38:35] Like they've only been sort of visiting each other

[00:38:37] Like one at a time

[00:38:38] And it's the first time

[00:38:39] That gives you a sense

[00:38:40] That they're all connected

[00:38:41] And it's obviously

[00:38:42] It's just a very good idea

[00:38:43] It's just them all singing this song

[00:38:45] And a couple of them start dancing with each other

[00:38:47] In each other's brains

[00:38:48] And also like it's more literal

[00:38:50] A more literal version of this

[00:38:52] Because they are legitimately connected

[00:38:55] So they're all hearing the song

[00:38:56] In their heads at the same time

[00:38:57] Because Tuppin Spindleson is listening to it

[00:38:59] Yes

[00:39:00] But it gets to this thing

[00:39:01] That Wachowski's also hit really hard

[00:39:02] In a lot of their work

[00:39:03] And especially in this show

[00:39:04] It comes up like

[00:39:05] In four different ways

[00:39:06] As far as I'm concerned

[00:39:07] Which is like the importance of art

[00:39:10] They're like always arguing for art

[00:39:12] As this unifying force

[00:39:14] It brings us together

[00:39:15] It gives us meaning

[00:39:16] Like movies aren't frivolous

[00:39:18] And speed racers are all about how movies

[00:39:19] Aren't frivolous

[00:39:20] Right?

[00:39:21] Racing is important to people

[00:39:22] And this you have

[00:39:23] Like how much John Claib Van Damme

[00:39:25] Means to

[00:39:26] You have means to

[00:39:27] Kyphus, Cyphus

[00:39:29] I just call him Van Damme

[00:39:30] Yeah, Kyphus

[00:39:31] But he's the van driver

[00:39:33] The Van Damme driver

[00:39:34] Right, that's the thing

[00:39:35] He calls his van Van Damme

[00:39:36] In Nairobi

[00:39:37] You see the rival van

[00:39:39] It's called Bat Van

[00:39:40] The idea is that all the vans

[00:39:41] Sort of have like catchy names

[00:39:42] To make them more appealing

[00:39:43] Yeah, so if they're called Matatus

[00:39:44] They're like

[00:39:45] It's like a common form

[00:39:46] Of transportation in Kenya

[00:39:48] And it's like they're all branded

[00:39:49] They'll do this thing

[00:39:50] Where they kind of try to attract

[00:39:51] Turn a van into the city

[00:39:52] Yeah, and they brand to make theirs

[00:39:53] Look like snappier or whatever

[00:39:54] And he

[00:39:55] It's not just oh Van Damme's a catchy thing

[00:39:56] He's watching Van Damme

[00:39:57] Always all the time

[00:39:58] He looks at Van Damme for inspiration

[00:39:59] How he can overcome anything

[00:40:01] A focus he has

[00:40:02] Van Damme is like his guy

[00:40:04] And then in the German

[00:40:05] Safecracker plot

[00:40:06] They view Conan the Barbarian

[00:40:07] The exact same way he views Van Damme

[00:40:09] Yep

[00:40:10] And then there's another one

[00:40:11] What is it?

[00:40:12] There's so many, dude

[00:40:13] Yeah, I mean there's the song

[00:40:14] Connecting them all there

[00:40:15] Well, I'll say in the ninth episode

[00:40:17] Yeah

[00:40:18] Which is

[00:40:19] So I know, I think Molly

[00:40:20] Although she was completely baffled

[00:40:21] By whatever the fuck the show was

[00:40:23] Oh, sorry to interrupt

[00:40:24] Just before I forget

[00:40:25] The other one is how everyone else

[00:40:26] In the Lido storyline

[00:40:27] Talks about how much

[00:40:28] His movies influence them

[00:40:29] That he feels like the movies

[00:40:31] He's making are silly

[00:40:32] And people come back to him

[00:40:33] Oh sure, yay that's true

[00:40:34] That's true

[00:40:35] Lines from his movies

[00:40:36] Thank you

[00:40:38] You're welcome

[00:40:39] The fourth episode was resting enough

[00:40:40] That I feel like my roommate

[00:40:41] Was kind of like

[00:40:42] Yeah, especially that ending

[00:40:43] Is like really transcendent

[00:40:44] So good

[00:40:45] The ninth episode is the one

[00:40:47] Where everything grinds to a halt

[00:40:50] Like if you thought the show was slow before

[00:40:52] It gets super slow

[00:40:54] It's when Lido is depressed

[00:40:56] About his boyfriend leaving him

[00:40:59] Oh you mean when he loses a sandal

[00:41:00] In the pool

[00:41:01] In the bathtub

[00:41:02] That's right

[00:41:03] And like there's a whole scene

[00:41:05] Where he talks to Nomi

[00:41:07] In the Diego Rivera museum in Mexico City

[00:41:09] Oh my

[00:41:10] And they're beholding a giant Diego Rivera painting

[00:41:12] And that's the art thing that I was bringing

[00:41:14] You know, like they're talking about the importance of that

[00:41:16] Which is an interesting little exchange

[00:41:18] But it is molasses slow

[00:41:20] Yeah, it's like a 15 minute exchange

[00:41:22] And like she's sharing these like

[00:41:24] Haunting memories of being bullied

[00:41:26] As a teen

[00:41:27] Like and like by boys in the shower

[00:41:29] Because like she was different

[00:41:31] You know like all this stuff

[00:41:32] And you're just like

[00:41:33] Isn't this

[00:41:34] Aren't they being like hunted by a corporation

[00:41:36] Like you just

[00:41:38] You get so lost in all these feelings

[00:41:40] And Joanna was similarly like

[00:41:42] I don't know what the fuck this is

[00:41:44] And she kept asking like

[00:41:45] Why are they all speaking English

[00:41:46] Which was a good question

[00:41:47] Yeah, oh I want to grind about this for a second

[00:41:50] But then she was

[00:41:52] And then her reaction was essentially what I said

[00:41:54] She's like

[00:41:55] So this show's just about like

[00:41:56] You should just care about people right

[00:41:58] Like that's what the show is

[00:41:59] Yeah, we all get it

[00:42:00] Yeah

[00:42:01] Can we talk about the language thing for a second

[00:42:03] Because this show is incredibly diverse

[00:42:05] Yeah

[00:42:06] And it takes place in like

[00:42:08] Five different countries

[00:42:09] More six

[00:42:10] Yeah

[00:42:11] Well two take place in America

[00:42:12] Yeah

[00:42:13] Right, okay yeah

[00:42:14] So it takes place in six different countries

[00:42:16] It takes place in America, Iceland

[00:42:18] With a stop in London

[00:42:19] But mostly Iceland

[00:42:21] First half's in London

[00:42:22] Yeah but she's just sitting in cafes

[00:42:24] The action's in Iceland

[00:42:25] Okay

[00:42:26] America, Iceland

[00:42:27] Korea

[00:42:28] Kenya

[00:42:30] Germany

[00:42:32] India

[00:42:33] Mexico

[00:42:34] Seven countries

[00:42:35] Seven countries

[00:42:36] So it takes place in seven countries

[00:42:37] Which is really impressive

[00:42:38] And they shot in all those places

[00:42:39] And eight if you include London

[00:42:41] Which is a little bit of London

[00:42:42] And you have this genuinely multinational cast

[00:42:45] Yep

[00:42:46] And everyone speaks in English

[00:42:47] Now there are things where within

[00:42:49] Once in a while they'll speak in their own languages

[00:42:51] Which drives me crazy

[00:42:52] Because there will be these moments

[00:42:54] Like the first couple moments

[00:42:55] When two characters are connecting in the early episodes

[00:42:58] And they'll show up in the same place

[00:42:59] And then one of them will be speaking

[00:43:01] In their language

[00:43:02] And the other one will be speaking in their language

[00:43:03] And it'll be subtitled

[00:43:05] In English

[00:43:06] And they'll be like wait do you speak English

[00:43:07] And they'll be like yeah I speak English too

[00:43:08] Let's speak English together

[00:43:10] There's one scene where that happens

[00:43:12] There's one scene I believe with Lido

[00:43:15] And with Duna Bay's character

[00:43:16] Where they see each other in the mirror

[00:43:18] I don't remember that

[00:43:19] And he says in Spanish who are you

[00:43:21] And she says in Korean who are you

[00:43:23] But to me the device the show is using

[00:43:26] Is that English

[00:43:27] They talk in English when they can understand each other

[00:43:29] They're not actually speaking

[00:43:30] But they also talk in English in their respective things

[00:43:32] Yeah no but that's the thing

[00:43:34] Yeah that's what Joanna kept that

[00:43:35] She was like but what do you mean

[00:43:36] He should be talking Korean right now

[00:43:37] I don't like that as a device

[00:43:39] I know it's a device

[00:43:40] I don't like it as a device

[00:43:41] Well I know the idea is we're hearing it

[00:43:43] In our language

[00:43:44] But as much as I understand what you're saying

[00:43:47] There's no way you could do the show

[00:43:49] Any other way

[00:43:50] I disagree

[00:43:51] Do you want to know what I throw out as an example

[00:43:53] All the time

[00:43:54] I thought it was going to be like

[00:43:55] Game changer and it didn't fucking do shit

[00:43:57] And Glorious Bastards is like 70% subtitle

[00:44:00] That movie's like 70% foreign languages

[00:44:03] That film takes place in German

[00:44:05] Yeah no I don't know what you're saying

[00:44:06] English and French

[00:44:07] Yeah yeah

[00:44:08] And the scenes that take place in the languages

[00:44:09] Where the characters wouldn't be speaking English

[00:44:11] The whole first 20 minutes of

[00:44:13] And Glorious Bastards are not in English

[00:44:14] But it wouldn't make any sense

[00:44:16] Because then they would be speaking English to each other

[00:44:18] You can't have them speaking in different languages

[00:44:20] To each other

[00:44:21] And they speak so much to each other

[00:44:22] So I think the show just has to

[00:44:24] Set this thing of like they've got to all speak English

[00:44:26] Because you can't have two actors talking to each other

[00:44:28] In two languages they don't understand

[00:44:30] Because they can't act off of each other

[00:44:32] I think they speak in English to each other

[00:44:34] And then the respective plot lines they speak in their native language

[00:44:36] That's how I would do

[00:44:37] That doesn't work because too often in this show

[00:44:40] When they're in their respective plot lines

[00:44:41] Someone's hanging out behind them

[00:44:43] Talking in English

[00:44:44] Okay but there's a moment

[00:44:45] Yeah there's a couple moments

[00:44:47] But I totally

[00:44:48] There's a moment where Caifes talks to

[00:44:50] I think Tupin's Middleton

[00:44:51] And he like says whatever

[00:44:52] And she's like what I don't speak your language

[00:44:54] And he's like oh do you speak English

[00:44:55] I'll speak English with you

[00:44:56] Like he says that literally

[00:44:58] That's not what happens

[00:44:59] I remember this scene very precisely

[00:45:01] She says you speak English

[00:45:03] And he says yeah I speak English very well

[00:45:05] You speak Swahili

[00:45:07] Because he thinks she speaks Swahili

[00:45:09] And she's like no

[00:45:10] And it's just they're trying to

[00:45:12] Get you to understand that like

[00:45:13] These guys can understand each other

[00:45:14] On a deeper level beyond their languages

[00:45:16] So like don't worry about the languages

[00:45:18] It's you know

[00:45:20] It's a tough sell

[00:45:21] I don't deny it

[00:45:22] What can you do?

[00:45:23] It drives me a little crazy

[00:45:25] And like especially when you get to

[00:45:27] The Duna Bay sequence

[00:45:28] When she goes to prison right

[00:45:30] I think what we should

[00:45:32] Do is maybe tackle character by character

[00:45:34] Because it's so weird

[00:45:35] It's so weird

[00:45:36] It's so hard to talk about that

[00:45:37] I'm gonna do it character by character

[00:45:39] Alright so I'll give you

[00:45:40] We can start with Duna Bay

[00:45:41] Who I think again

[00:45:42] Wonderful actors

[00:45:43] What a great actress

[00:45:44] I think she gives the best performance in the show

[00:45:46] I'd say she gives the second best performance

[00:45:48] Who do you like better

[00:45:49] I think Tuppence Middleton's really good

[00:45:51] And a character that's really under it

[00:45:53] She's, I like Tuppence

[00:45:54] I think she's a good actress

[00:45:55] But I do not agree

[00:45:56] I think she gives a great performance

[00:45:57] Especially considering how

[00:45:58] She's good

[00:45:59] Slight her material is

[00:46:00] Real slight

[00:46:01] Yeah I think her and Duna Bay are close

[00:46:03] No I think that in that scene

[00:46:05] In episode 10

[00:46:06] Which is where the show should end

[00:46:08] Where this show builds to

[00:46:10] This great climactic concert scene

[00:46:13] Where they're all like mentally

[00:46:15] In a concert hall watching

[00:46:16] Tuppence Middleton's dad

[00:46:18] On ecstasy

[00:46:19] And he's on ecstasy

[00:46:20] And they all imagine their births

[00:46:23] They all recall their births

[00:46:25] Like one by one by one

[00:46:26] Yeah we see a lot of prosthetic vaginas

[00:46:29] Yeah we do we see a lot of

[00:46:31] Can I say this

[00:46:32] Some crazy births

[00:46:34] Can I say this

[00:46:35] So like we all you know

[00:46:36] You get a health class

[00:46:38] They play you miracle life

[00:46:39] Or some video like that

[00:46:40] And they give you the like indoctrination

[00:46:41] They're like hey this is what it looks like

[00:46:42] When a birth happens

[00:46:43] And there's the thing where you're 10

[00:46:44] And you go gross right

[00:46:47] At the UCB famously if your show goes over time

[00:46:50] Shannon Neal artistic director will play

[00:46:52] A video of a birth right

[00:46:53] I've seen birth videos a number of times

[00:46:55] I don't get grossed out by them anymore

[00:46:57] Miracle of life it's beautiful right

[00:46:59] I got so grossed out during the sequence

[00:47:01] Because they're all fake

[00:47:02] Like there was something really grossed me out

[00:47:04] These prosthetic bellies

[00:47:05] I admired

[00:47:06] And these prosthetic like

[00:47:07] Burden canal

[00:47:08] What am I supposed to do

[00:47:09] I admired the effort of like

[00:47:10] Actually showing it rather than the classic

[00:47:12] Like you know

[00:47:13] I'm not criticizing Hollywood like

[00:47:14] Oh look a baby that's obviously a month old

[00:47:17] I'm not criticizing the show for this

[00:47:19] I may be criticizing myself

[00:47:20] I'm saying for whatever reason

[00:47:21] I have a weird picadillo about prosthetic births

[00:47:24] But it's like when you see like

[00:47:25] A rubber baby head coming out of a rubber vagina

[00:47:28] Out of like a rubber belly

[00:47:30] And there's like a real actress there

[00:47:32] Boy I was making a whole point

[00:47:33] Okay make a point

[00:47:34] I was just saying there's this big concert scene

[00:47:35] Where they're all

[00:47:36] Burst me out I don't know why

[00:47:37] They're all listening

[00:47:38] They're all experiencing their births

[00:47:39] Yeah

[00:47:40] And they're like crying

[00:47:41] Or having emotional reactions to it

[00:47:43] Duna Bay in that scene to me

[00:47:46] I'm like oh look look there's

[00:47:48] There she is she's kicking ass

[00:47:49] And everyone else is just pretty good at

[00:47:50] Going like you know

[00:47:52] Well Duna Bay is a remarkably understated actress

[00:47:55] Good face actress

[00:47:56] She's very still but she does very little

[00:47:58] You know I mean she

[00:47:59] She just has a really strong command

[00:48:04] Of her physicality

[00:48:06] And she's very expressive

[00:48:07] And they convey a lot through

[00:48:08] Yeah but while being very still

[00:48:10] And being very minimal

[00:48:11] She's an incredible actress

[00:48:12] I agree 100%

[00:48:13] Her plot line takes seven episodes to go anywhere

[00:48:16] Oh totally

[00:48:18] So let's do her one at a time

[00:48:19] So Duna Bay in literally the first two episodes

[00:48:22] She's just a Korean business woman

[00:48:24] There appears to be some sort of

[00:48:26] Like tension with her dad

[00:48:28] Who is also works at the company

[00:48:30] But there's like nothing

[00:48:31] And you get maybe two scenes across

[00:48:33] The first two episodes

[00:48:34] Very little Duna Bay

[00:48:35] And you're like

[00:48:36] Yeah barely in them

[00:48:37] And then the third scene

[00:48:38] It's like oh well also

[00:48:39] She's got like a master splinter type sense

[00:48:41] Who is training her to be like an elite

[00:48:43] Underground kickboxer

[00:48:45] Right and you're like what's going on here

[00:48:46] And it all plays into

[00:48:48] You kind of need someone who's going to do

[00:48:50] Like real sort of kick ass action shit

[00:48:52] Later in the show

[00:48:53] So that's kind of what it's there for

[00:48:55] That's her Ocean's Eleven skill

[00:48:56] But it's honestly not remarked on much

[00:48:58] In terms of like what drives her

[00:49:00] Whatever

[00:49:01] She doesn't really go like

[00:49:02] And you know I became a kickboxer

[00:49:03] Because blah blah blah

[00:49:05] No it would make more sense

[00:49:07] Character-wise for

[00:49:09] Wolfie to become a kickboxer

[00:49:11] You know what I'm saying

[00:49:12] Like in a traditional dramatic way

[00:49:14] Like he was beaten as a child

[00:49:15] So he learned to fight

[00:49:16] So he could defend himself

[00:49:17] Duna Bay just likes punching people

[00:49:19] Which is fine

[00:49:20] I mean I'm fine with that

[00:49:21] And she's kickass action lady

[00:49:23] And it's great

[00:49:24] I'm not criticizing that

[00:49:25] It's just

[00:49:26] It kind of comes out of nowhere

[00:49:27] And you're like

[00:49:28] Oh okay I guess we're going to

[00:49:29] She's going to be a kickboxer

[00:49:30] Right

[00:49:31] And then like two episodes later

[00:49:32] It's like

[00:49:33] By the way your brother

[00:49:34] Who you have like this weird

[00:49:36] Sort of like

[00:49:38] You know need to defend and protect

[00:49:40] Because of your mother

[00:49:41] Dying at a certain age

[00:49:42] The other thing the show does

[00:49:43] Is it keeps flashing back

[00:49:44] Yeah

[00:49:45] And you're like

[00:49:46] Wait is this a memory

[00:49:47] Like you know because the show

[00:49:48] Does so many other visual tricks

[00:49:50] Because you have characters flashing

[00:49:51] Into each other's lives

[00:49:52] Like the language of how

[00:49:53] The sense is

[00:49:54] The sense hates like

[00:49:55] Communicate with each other

[00:49:56] Is just that like

[00:49:57] Duna Bay will be dealing with

[00:49:59] Whatever in Korea

[00:50:00] And then suddenly

[00:50:01] Like Tuppence Middleton

[00:50:02] Will be over her shoulder

[00:50:03] Right

[00:50:04] Or in her place

[00:50:05] Or sitting next to her

[00:50:06] Or like Duna Bay will be having

[00:50:08] Her side of the conversation

[00:50:09] Next to Tumpence Middleton

[00:50:10] In a cafe in London

[00:50:11] Right

[00:50:12] They'll use the locations

[00:50:13] They'll cut between them

[00:50:14] Which is where being able to film

[00:50:15] In all these places is impressive

[00:50:16] It's impressive

[00:50:17] Because you're able to within a cut

[00:50:18] Do this sort of like

[00:50:19] Sherlock Junior thing

[00:50:20] Where they're like

[00:50:21] Transporting across worlds

[00:50:22] It's crazy you'll see like

[00:50:23] They'll be talking in Kenya

[00:50:24] And then you literally cut

[00:50:25] For one reverse shot

[00:50:27] To Iceland

[00:50:28] And then right back to

[00:50:29] And you're just like

[00:50:30] Alright guys like

[00:50:31] We get it's cool

[00:50:32] Like you know

[00:50:33] Which as an actor that must be

[00:50:34] So difficult

[00:50:35] Like you're shooting your scene

[00:50:36] In Kenya

[00:50:37] You fly him and then

[00:50:38] A week later

[00:50:39] They're like

[00:50:40] Remember that one line

[00:50:41] Just remember the one reaction

[00:50:42] You were doing in between

[00:50:43] These two lines

[00:50:44] And now let's do it in Reykjavik

[00:50:45] On top of a mountain

[00:50:46] Oh my god

[00:50:47] I mean it's sort of impossible

[00:50:48] To imagine it

[00:50:49] Anyway

[00:50:50] So Duna Bay has this

[00:50:51] Connection to her brother

[00:50:52] Who's been embezzling money

[00:50:53] She takes the fall for him

[00:50:55] And goes to prison

[00:50:56] This is all like real sudden

[00:50:57] Yeah

[00:50:58] And this comes in episode 6

[00:50:59] And you're just like

[00:51:00] Huh?

[00:51:01] Yeah

[00:51:02] And then the latter half

[00:51:03] You know you've got the idea

[00:51:04] That her brother don't really

[00:51:05] Respect her

[00:51:06] That her mother's dead

[00:51:07] That she's constantly trying

[00:51:08] To win them over

[00:51:09] You know she has this

[00:51:10] Out relationship

[00:51:11] And then they just drop on you

[00:51:12] Her brother's a fucking piece

[00:51:13] Of shit

[00:51:14] He's gonna go to jail

[00:51:15] And they're like

[00:51:16] You fucking disgrace me

[00:51:17] And she volunteers herself

[00:51:18] Yeah

[00:51:19] She's like

[00:51:20] I got no record

[00:51:21] I could take the fall for this

[00:51:22] I get off easy

[00:51:23] I go to jail

[00:51:24] But I get off easy

[00:51:25] And you're just like

[00:51:26] Why would you do that

[00:51:27] Like don't

[00:51:28] Don't do it

[00:51:29] I don't know

[00:51:30] And like this is the thing

[00:51:31] As much as we're complaining

[00:51:32] About this show being long

[00:51:33] Sometimes things will come

[00:51:34] Right out of nowhere

[00:51:35] And be justified

[00:51:36] Maybe with one little flashback

[00:51:37] You know

[00:51:38] And you're like

[00:51:39] Oh give me a little more

[00:51:40] To this make to make sense

[00:51:41] Because I don't have the time

[00:51:42] To flesh out each story

[00:51:43] For how complicated

[00:51:44] They're trying to make each story

[00:51:45] But each story

[00:51:46] Like they're trying to

[00:51:47] Complicated in a way where

[00:51:48] It's like

[00:51:49] Breaking bad would have off

[00:51:50] Episodes that weren't about

[00:51:51] Him selling drugs

[00:51:52] That were about something else

[00:51:53] You know

[00:51:54] Yeah

[00:51:55] And if that episode was like

[00:51:56] Fully sort of painted

[00:51:57] It didn't feel like

[00:51:58] It was like

[00:51:59] Oh they're just killing

[00:52:00] Time it would feel like

[00:52:01] This is a sort of

[00:52:02] A bad world

[00:52:03] But this show when you do

[00:52:04] Like here's another side element

[00:52:05] Of doing a bae's world

[00:52:06] It's like

[00:52:07] Well that's gonna get

[00:52:08] Two minutes of screen time

[00:52:09] Well this is the thing

[00:52:10] She goes to prison

[00:52:11] Yeah

[00:52:12] And then like

[00:52:13] You know we get like

[00:52:14] A couple little scenes of her

[00:52:15] In prison like kind of

[00:52:16] Learning the life of a

[00:52:17] Korean women's prison

[00:52:18] Yeah

[00:52:19] But like

[00:52:20] It's inconsequential

[00:52:21] To say the least

[00:52:22] Like she gets in a fight

[00:52:23] She makes a friend

[00:52:24] Right

[00:52:25] But then that's kind of

[00:52:26] It and then

[00:52:27] In like the last episode

[00:52:28] Or maybe the penultimate

[00:52:29] Second to last

[00:52:30] Her brother shows up

[00:52:31] P.S.

[00:52:32] I killed our dad

[00:52:33] Cause he was

[00:52:34] He's like dad killed himself

[00:52:35] And she's like

[00:52:36] Fuck you

[00:52:37] You killed our dad

[00:52:38] And then punches the shit out of him

[00:52:39] Which is fine

[00:52:40] But it all

[00:52:41] Again it's all just

[00:52:42] And so that's her story

[00:52:43] Yeah

[00:52:44] And so she's like

[00:52:45] I'm gonna get revenge on you

[00:52:46] For killing our dad

[00:52:47] The dad was maybe gonna

[00:52:48] Reveal the whole flimflam

[00:52:49] Where she's in prison

[00:52:50] And the other isn't

[00:52:51] He was

[00:52:52] The lawyer said

[00:52:53] Like he done it

[00:52:54] It's happening

[00:52:55] And she said

[00:52:56] What's gonna happen to my brother

[00:52:57] And he said

[00:52:58] If I was him I'd get in a plane

[00:52:59] Right away

[00:53:00] That's the story

[00:53:01] So this is the thing

[00:53:02] If you just heard that story

[00:53:03] And you're thinking

[00:53:04] That seems a little unsatisfying

[00:53:06] For a 12 episode arc

[00:53:08] Tiz

[00:53:09] Yeah, you're right

[00:53:10] And so that's where

[00:53:11] And the show is compensating

[00:53:12] By having her have these relationships

[00:53:14] With the other sensates

[00:53:15] And that's all well and good

[00:53:17] Although she's one of the less connected ones

[00:53:20] She doesn't have a specific buddy

[00:53:22] Some of them have more

[00:53:23] Of a specific buddy

[00:53:24] The last five episodes

[00:53:25] She's essentially sitting in a jail cell

[00:53:26] By herself

[00:53:27] And at certain moments

[00:53:28] One of the senses go

[00:53:29] Like, can I tag you in

[00:53:30] And then she punches them a lot

[00:53:31] And then she's like

[00:53:32] I'm gonna go back to the jail cell

[00:53:33] And they're like cool, see you later

[00:53:34] Yeah, she's very helpful

[00:53:35] From an action perspective

[00:53:36] But that's all she really does

[00:53:37] She doesn't seem to have a strong bond

[00:53:38] To any one of them

[00:53:39] No, and she doesn't have a romantic connection

[00:53:41] When they need to punch

[00:53:42] This is this other thing

[00:53:43] With the show though

[00:53:44] Is like

[00:53:45] As you said

[00:53:46] I mean it resolved by like

[00:53:47] Episode six or seven

[00:53:48] Essentially

[00:53:49] And then she just becomes

[00:53:50] Like this sort of like

[00:53:51] Plot driver

[00:53:52] But Nomi's plotline

[00:53:53] Is all about her

[00:53:54] Trying to understand

[00:53:55] This sensate thing

[00:53:56] Right

[00:53:57] Well do you want to do

[00:53:58] Nomi next

[00:53:59] As they put it

[00:54:00] Nomi is the nexus

[00:54:01] And that's why they made her

[00:54:02] A hacker

[00:54:03] Because she's like

[00:54:04] She's in them

[00:54:05] If there's any sensate

[00:54:06] That's in the middle of everyone

[00:54:07] It's her

[00:54:08] Yeah, my point was just gonna be

[00:54:09] That like a lot of the characters

[00:54:10] They just start communicating

[00:54:11] With people in different parts

[00:54:12] Of the world

[00:54:13] And they're just like

[00:54:14] Oh okay

[00:54:15] Hi, how you doing

[00:54:16] Yeah, hey what's going on

[00:54:17] And it doesn't feel like

[00:54:18] They've been living with this

[00:54:19] Their whole lives

[00:54:20] They're all being activated

[00:54:21] At the same moment

[00:54:22] Yeah, I mean

[00:54:23] The show has to eventually

[00:54:24] Stop them being like

[00:54:25] Huh?

[00:54:26] What?

[00:54:27] Whatever

[00:54:28] So they keep punching and kicking

[00:54:29] Yeah, some of that

[00:54:30] Yeah, regular Duna Bay here

[00:54:32] Some of them

[00:54:33] The realization has no impact

[00:54:35] Whatsoever

[00:54:36] And I don't need to see

[00:54:37] Eight different people go like

[00:54:38] What's happening

[00:54:39] But I also like

[00:54:40] You could go like

[00:54:41] Oh crazy

[00:54:42] This must be like

[00:54:43] Like there's

[00:54:44] Some of them are just like

[00:54:45] Oh hey do you come here a lot

[00:54:46] No I live in Iceland

[00:54:47] I'm there right now

[00:54:48] Oh cool

[00:54:49] So what are you doing later today

[00:54:50] You know

[00:54:51] Yeah, it's really like that

[00:54:52] Yeah

[00:54:53] Okay so

[00:54:54] We can do Nomi

[00:54:55] Nomi played by Jamie Clayton

[00:54:56] She's a woman

[00:54:57] Actor

[00:54:58] And that's terrific

[00:54:59] And like

[00:55:00] This is a story that has

[00:55:02] So much right at the start

[00:55:05] And then it's done

[00:55:08] And then she's around

[00:55:09] But more just to provide information

[00:55:11] Help out like

[00:55:12] Do hacker stuff

[00:55:13] Yeah

[00:55:14] The first

[00:55:15] Oh can I ask something

[00:55:16] Yeah, Ben Theory

[00:55:17] Uh well

[00:55:18] I mean

[00:55:20] Okay

[00:55:21] I love good hacker

[00:55:23] Right

[00:55:24] Yeah sure

[00:55:25] Good hacker

[00:55:26] But I feel like typing is like

[00:55:28] Been so done

[00:55:29] Uh huh

[00:55:30] Are we talking mouse work

[00:55:31] What do you mean are we talking mouse

[00:55:34] Like when she's hacking

[00:55:35] Are we seeing her click on that mouse

[00:55:37] Not really

[00:55:39] It's too a lot of typing

[00:55:40] I'm sorry Ben

[00:55:41] Ah damn it

[00:55:42] You're pro mouse

[00:55:44] I like to see the hand

[00:55:46] Move around a little wrist work

[00:55:47] Yeah cause she's got the thumb on the pad

[00:55:50] Yeah

[00:55:51] Thumb on the you know

[00:55:52] Yeah she's got track pad

[00:55:53] This is a new shade of Ben

[00:55:54] The mouse works out much

[00:55:55] Yeah oh mouse work guy

[00:55:57] So know me

[00:55:58] Lives in San Francisco

[00:56:00] Yeah

[00:56:01] She's got a girlfriend

[00:56:02] Amonita who's played by

[00:56:03] Frima Agamon

[00:56:05] I think Agamon

[00:56:06] Yeah who's great from Dr. Hill

[00:56:07] Great actress

[00:56:08] And they are in a nice relationship

[00:56:11] Martha Jones was that her name

[00:56:12] Yeah

[00:56:13] And they

[00:56:15] Like literally in like the second episode

[00:56:16] She just like writes out like

[00:56:18] This is why I go to pride

[00:56:19] Like she writes this sort of like

[00:56:20] You know and again you're kind of like

[00:56:22] Is this show like about anything in particular

[00:56:24] Or is it just sort of going to be

[00:56:25] Like random stuff like this

[00:56:27] Which is the problem is like

[00:56:28] If the show is dressed like

[00:56:29] Here are eight different lives

[00:56:30] Let's live in them

[00:56:31] Right

[00:56:32] That's fine

[00:56:33] But this show is like eight different lives

[00:56:34] Let's live in them with this looming

[00:56:36] Like threat of like bad shit's going to happen

[00:56:38] There's sort of a conspiracy against them as well

[00:56:40] And so anytime you're living in the lives

[00:56:42] You're like shouldn't they be worried

[00:56:43] I'm worried

[00:56:44] Is someone going to kill them

[00:56:45] With eye contact

[00:56:47] But at the start it's

[00:56:49] I just also want to quickly point out

[00:56:50] I'm sorry

[00:56:51] Prima has

[00:56:53] Lana Wachowski here

[00:56:54] Yeah totally

[00:56:55] Totally

[00:56:56] Which Junabay had in Jupiter

[00:56:57] Send it

[00:56:58] Yeah

[00:56:59] She looks great

[00:57:00] Herds are like blue in this

[00:57:01] But she's definitely got the

[00:57:02] She's got the look

[00:57:03] Yeah okay anyway

[00:57:04] She looks great

[00:57:05] She's a hacktivist

[00:57:06] I guess

[00:57:07] She seems to have some sort of a criminal past

[00:57:09] Being a hacker

[00:57:11] And like really early on

[00:57:13] She gets

[00:57:14] Hospitalized

[00:57:16] She's the only one who really goes through anything

[00:57:18] For having the visions

[00:57:19] Toppins

[00:57:21] Toppins

[00:57:23] Yeah

[00:57:24] That's she

[00:57:25] I guess right

[00:57:26] Toppins right at the end

[00:57:27] Toppins Middleton

[00:57:29] This is good

[00:57:30] Toppins

[00:57:31] I'm just going to keep singing songs about actresses

[00:57:34] I like

[00:57:36] But she gets like handcuffed to a bed

[00:57:39] And she's going to get lobotomized

[00:57:40] By like a sadistic doctor

[00:57:42] Episode two

[00:57:43] Man speed and train

[00:57:44] We're going places

[00:57:45] You're like oh okay okay

[00:57:46] And there's like a lot of

[00:57:48] Like I think worthy and affecting parallels to like

[00:57:51] You know the lives of trans people

[00:57:53] And people who are like you know

[00:57:55] Hospitalized against their will

[00:57:57] Because they're like quote unquote mentally ill

[00:57:59] Or what you know

[00:58:00] I think that they're trying to invest

[00:58:02] That in this story

[00:58:04] And I think the scenes with her mother

[00:58:06] In the hospital are really good

[00:58:07] Obviously right that's

[00:58:08] Then that's part of it of course

[00:58:09] Is her mother is there

[00:58:10] Her mother and sister are calling her Michael

[00:58:12] And like

[00:58:13] Won't like sort of digna

[00:58:14] And it's basically like

[00:58:15] You're just going crazy

[00:58:16] Because you took all these hormones

[00:58:17] You know won't dignify her transition

[00:58:19] With any kind of appropriateness

[00:58:21] She wants up calling a Michael

[00:58:23] And I think this show oscillates

[00:58:25] Between scenes that are like

[00:58:26] Really sharp like that

[00:58:28] You know sharp concise portrayals

[00:58:30] Of a life struggle

[00:58:32] A different life struggle

[00:58:33] You know it's like

[00:58:34] Oh that's what this person is going on

[00:58:35] Sure and then it's part of the whole

[00:58:36] Deeper empathy conversation

[00:58:38] And scenes that are so violently

[00:58:40] Inelegant

[00:58:41] Like I'll get to one later

[00:58:42] When we cover that plot line

[00:58:43] But there are scenes in this

[00:58:44] That are just so

[00:58:45] So muddled and so ham-fisted

[00:58:47] And I think back to this

[00:58:49] I know we're trying to talk about noise specifically

[00:58:51] But I'm just free associating

[00:58:52] His thoughts come to me

[00:58:54] You look at the family scenes

[00:58:56] In Jupiter right

[00:58:57] Oh my god

[00:58:59] Yeah alright go ahead

[00:59:00] And we talked about how they're like

[00:59:01] Cartoonish and broad

[00:59:02] But that's like a tone

[00:59:03] That the Wachowski's play in a lot

[00:59:05] And this is trying to be

[00:59:07] A little more like kitchen sink drama

[00:59:09] Like for a sci-fi show

[00:59:11] Pretty grounded

[00:59:12] Yeah but it switches between tones a lot

[00:59:14] There are scenes where they have that sort of

[00:59:16] Like short hand writing

[00:59:17] But the actors are playing it kind of straight

[00:59:19] And it just feels ridiculous

[00:59:20] If it's not in a cartoonier world

[00:59:22] We'll get to whatever you're thinking about

[00:59:24] Let's not talk about Jupiter ascending

[00:59:26] I love Jupiter ascending

[00:59:27] It's a good movie

[00:59:28] So anyway she gets

[00:59:30] Then she escapes from the hospital

[00:59:31] I feel like that's the first major

[00:59:32] Where she uses the

[00:59:34] Handcuff picking skill

[00:59:36] Of another sensate to get out of the hospital

[00:59:38] Uh Wolfie

[00:59:39] No not Wolfie

[00:59:40] Well Will sorry

[00:59:41] I keep on confusing Will and Wolf

[00:59:42] Well they're like handsome man

[00:59:43] And they're best friends

[00:59:45] Uh and

[00:59:46] Oh no Will wait Will's the cop

[00:59:47] What the fuck are you talking about

[00:59:48] I'm sorry

[00:59:49] My god Jesus

[00:59:51] Will's the cop Wolfie

[00:59:52] Yes

[00:59:53] Wolfie's the locksmith

[00:59:54] Yes and then she's out

[00:59:56] And that's it

[00:59:58] That's your story

[00:59:59] Yeah and then the rest of the like

[01:00:01] Her plot line is her like teaming up with Will

[01:00:03] To try to like make sure the rest of them

[01:00:05] Are gonna be okay

[01:00:06] Yeah

[01:00:07] But like the way she does that

[01:00:08] Is mostly just by checking in with them

[01:00:09] And being like you okay

[01:00:10] And doing hacker stuff where she's like

[01:00:12] It's okay you're safe because I hacked into the main frame

[01:00:15] And now your identity is protected or something

[01:00:17] I don't know like

[01:00:18] But in a very inactive way because they'll just be like

[01:00:20] Oh shit someone's gonna go wrong

[01:00:21] And she's like no I did it four hours ago

[01:00:23] Don't worry about it

[01:00:24] She does have the first major encounter with the villain

[01:00:26] Mr. Whispers

[01:00:28] I think they just call him Whispers

[01:00:30] Mr. Whispers

[01:00:31] Uh

[01:00:32] Mr. Whispers

[01:00:34] Uh but which is an exciting action scene

[01:00:36] Where she's like getting chased by like a zombie

[01:00:39] And there's like a zombie man

[01:00:41] It's a guy who had the surgery they were threatening to do on her

[01:00:44] He's this big lug of a man

[01:00:46] And she's like what's this guy doing up and around

[01:00:48] He was like lobotomized

[01:00:49] And then after he shoots a bunch of other people

[01:00:51] Who go stands in a mirror

[01:00:52] He stands, looks in a mirror

[01:00:54] Puts a gun in his mouth

[01:00:55] And she sees in the reflection that he is in fact Whispers

[01:00:57] He's a different person

[01:00:58] Who's taking over this body

[01:00:59] Yeah

[01:01:00] He's sensating in a wrong way

[01:01:01] Right so the surgery they're gonna do on her

[01:01:03] Which I guess is the conspiracy of the first season

[01:01:05] Is like oh they find these sensates

[01:01:07] They do the surgery and then they're basically these mindless soldiers

[01:01:10] Who can be controlled mentally

[01:01:12] Yeah so like the people who have sensate abilities

[01:01:14] Can just use them as vessels

[01:01:16] Yeah so they can harvest human beings

[01:01:19] Yeah which is another Wachowski thing

[01:01:21] They hit that less hard in this one than the others

[01:01:23] But it is

[01:01:24] It's happening

[01:01:25] People dehumanizing

[01:01:26] Using bodies for their own

[01:01:28] Okay so number three

[01:01:30] Uh let's do uh Riley

[01:01:33] Uh

[01:01:34] Goonar's daughter

[01:01:36] Alright I think it's a terrible plotline and amazing performance

[01:01:38] Terrence Middleton

[01:01:39] Terrence Middleton

[01:01:40] Terrence Stank

[01:01:41] I love Toppins Middleton

[01:01:42] Toppins Middleton great actors

[01:01:43] I agree with you that it's a very good performance

[01:01:44] But as we said

[01:01:45] It's super inert

[01:01:46] She's a DJ

[01:01:47] She gets like caught up in some sort of drug deal

[01:01:50] Yeah

[01:01:51] In the first episode that she's just kind of not even involved

[01:01:53] She just sort of witnesses it happen

[01:01:54] And it goes down

[01:01:55] That's episode one

[01:01:56] She's like a drug addict DJ

[01:01:58] Who witnesses a murder

[01:01:59] And now people are gunning after her for the money

[01:02:01] Like a little bit

[01:02:02] They're gunning after her a little bit

[01:02:04] Like they come back once

[01:02:05] Four episodes later and then the stakes are really high

[01:02:07] And they just resolve themselves

[01:02:09] She goes to Iceland no one ever looks forever

[01:02:11] And here's what she does the rest of the time

[01:02:12] Sits around drinking tea

[01:02:14] And like looking sad

[01:02:16] And then all the way

[01:02:18] You know go ahead

[01:02:19] No it's a perfect microcosm in this show

[01:02:21] Where there's both too much

[01:02:22] And not enough going on at the same time

[01:02:24] Like she's got way too many plotlines

[01:02:26] But on a day to day basis

[01:02:27] Nothing's going on in her life

[01:02:29] Except for like two days

[01:02:30] You know

[01:02:31] Um

[01:02:32] Yes

[01:02:33] Uh

[01:02:35] Eventually

[01:02:36] She

[01:02:37] Is revealed to have this sort of sad path

[01:02:40] Like she goes to Iceland to reconnect

[01:02:42] With her family

[01:02:43] And it's like oh

[01:02:45] Yeah

[01:02:46] She had a husband

[01:02:47] And a baby

[01:02:48] And a baby

[01:02:49] And they both died in a car crash

[01:02:51] Where she gave birth to the baby

[01:02:53] And then was abandoned on an Icelandic mountain

[01:02:55] Right so that's like hinted at

[01:02:57] In episode eight

[01:02:58] And isn't fully revealed to us in episode twelve

[01:03:00] I.e. the last episode

[01:03:02] And that's why she's so bummed out

[01:03:04] And you're like

[01:03:05] Get it

[01:03:06] Sad

[01:03:07] Yeah would've loved to have known that from the get go

[01:03:10] So those scenes of her sitting around

[01:03:11] Had any sort of emotional import

[01:03:13] And so the triumph of the first season

[01:03:15] Is almost her getting past this

[01:03:17] Because she needs to help Brian

[01:03:18] One of the other sensates

[01:03:20] And like not give up on life

[01:03:22] Which is nice

[01:03:23] But they get to that so late

[01:03:25] They get to it real late

[01:03:26] Yeah

[01:03:27] Toppings is good though

[01:03:28] But it's what I talked about before

[01:03:29] In this podcast

[01:03:30] It's Andrew Stanton Rule

[01:03:31] Like the first scene defining Nemo

[01:03:33] Watching the guy lose his wife

[01:03:35] So that the rest of the movie you understand

[01:03:37] Is that really the Andrew Stanton Rule?

[01:03:39] Yeah because he does the opposite of it

[01:03:40] In John Carter

[01:03:41] That's why I call it the Andrew Stanton Rule

[01:03:42] Because in John Carter

[01:03:43] They spend an hour and a half being like

[01:03:45] I don't know why John Carter is so sad

[01:03:46] And then they show you that his wife died

[01:03:48] And it's like

[01:03:49] I assumed it but I didn't feel it

[01:03:50] Because I didn't see it

[01:03:51] John Carter is not a good movie

[01:03:53] It's not but it's not a terrible movie

[01:03:55] No

[01:03:56] It's an okay movie

[01:03:57] I think it's almost overrated at this point

[01:03:59] I do too

[01:04:00] But I think it is okay

[01:04:02] It's not horrific

[01:04:03] Okay so next is

[01:04:04] And I want to talk about this guy

[01:04:06] And as much as he's just like a white dude

[01:04:08] He might be one of my favorite characters

[01:04:10] Oh god

[01:04:11] I don't know

[01:04:12] Will Gorski

[01:04:13] You like this character for one reason

[01:04:15] Yeah

[01:04:16] He's played by Brian J. Smith

[01:04:17] Who is not an actor I particularly know

[01:04:19] I don't know if you know him

[01:04:21] He's very cute

[01:04:22] Yeah he's a cutie patootie

[01:04:24] His character is kind of bland

[01:04:25] He's just sort of the cop

[01:04:26] So he figures stuff out

[01:04:27] Yeah he figures stuff out

[01:04:28] The first few episodes

[01:04:29] Again all this business in like

[01:04:31] Shy rack

[01:04:32] You know in like the worst parts of Chicago

[01:04:34] And he like rescues a kid

[01:04:36] Who got shot takes him to the hospital

[01:04:38] Interacts with some gangs

[01:04:40] Oh shit

[01:04:41] This is the scene that I was going to say

[01:04:42] Is the most in elegant

[01:04:43] When he's carrying

[01:04:44] He was on Stargate Universe

[01:04:45] Oh of course

[01:04:46] Right

[01:04:47] Who do you play?

[01:04:48] Stargate

[01:04:49] Oh he played the Stargate

[01:04:50] He played the universe

[01:04:51] Okay cool

[01:04:52] There's the scene where he goes to the hospital

[01:04:54] With this like 10, 12 year old boy

[01:04:56] In his arms

[01:04:57] The kid's covered in blood

[01:04:58] It's the most blood I've ever seen in here

[01:05:00] The nurse is basically just like

[01:05:01] Why you bring him here

[01:05:02] Like we don't do gunshots

[01:05:04] Get him out of here

[01:05:05] But here's the thing

[01:05:06] She's not even that big with it

[01:05:07] She just very directly says like

[01:05:08] Oh come on

[01:05:09] You know you can't bring him here

[01:05:10] And he's like this kid's dying right now

[01:05:13] And she's like yeah

[01:05:15] You have to bring him to the other hospital

[01:05:16] Don't you know that

[01:05:17] You're a cop or you knew

[01:05:18] And he's like the kid's fucking dying

[01:05:20] Weeding out

[01:05:21] Yeah and she's like look

[01:05:23] Our hospital's been a lot better

[01:05:24] Since we stopped accepting kids like him in here

[01:05:26] And it's like the kid's there

[01:05:27] He can hear you

[01:05:28] Like I don't believe the nurse would be like

[01:05:30] No I don't know

[01:05:31] Would in front of the kid be like

[01:05:33] I don't care if this kid dies

[01:05:34] Maybe this is based on some real riff

[01:05:36] From the headlines thing or something

[01:05:37] I have no idea

[01:05:38] It would never play out like this

[01:05:39] Even if this exchange happened

[01:05:41] It doesn't like

[01:05:42] Never play out like this

[01:05:43] So this is the thing

[01:05:44] I think you probably think of where

[01:05:45] It's kind of hitting us over the head

[01:05:46] Right yeah totally

[01:05:47] Devaluing human lives

[01:05:48] The Chicago gangland stuff

[01:05:50] Yeah this is the scene I hate most

[01:05:51] In the entire show

[01:05:52] Is that scene with the nurse in the hospital

[01:05:54] But you know what happens to the Chicago gangland

[01:05:56] Pop line?

[01:05:57] Pop line here

[01:05:58] Yeah just literally vanishes after a few episodes

[01:06:01] He's got all this business where it's like

[01:06:03] Oh he has to like talk to the gangsters

[01:06:06] Cause they witnessed something in a church

[01:06:08] Where Daryl Hannah was

[01:06:10] And then it's like

[01:06:11] You know what

[01:06:12] Forget about it

[01:06:13] Okay but here's

[01:06:14] I don't know if I just was like

[01:06:15] Going punch drunk watching the show

[01:06:17] And losing sleep or whatever

[01:06:18] Did they ever explain cause there's like

[01:06:20] So okay this is the thing you like

[01:06:22] About this plot line

[01:06:23] His dad is Joey Panteliano

[01:06:25] In two out of twelve episodes

[01:06:27] Okay but like they set up pants early

[01:06:30] Very early on

[01:06:31] They hold up a nicely ironed pair of Italian

[01:06:34] Right they hang it up

[01:06:36] But he's got a poop on the clothesline

[01:06:38] He's got a poop thing

[01:06:39] He's got a clostomy bag

[01:06:40] Yeah

[01:06:41] Right and they hang it up on the clothesline

[01:06:43] And then they hang a bag of poop up on the clothesline next to it

[01:06:45] And you go

[01:06:46] Ooh right

[01:06:47] No kidding me too

[01:06:48] Yeah

[01:06:49] And then he disappears for nine episodes

[01:06:51] Yeah

[01:06:52] And then comes back at the very end

[01:06:54] And gives a great speech

[01:06:56] And he's like

[01:06:57] You bring the brat

[01:06:58] You bring the brat first

[01:06:59] That's great

[01:07:00] But there's the thing

[01:07:01] Early on

[01:07:02] I love him so much he's so little

[01:07:03] He's so great

[01:07:04] He looks great in this

[01:07:05] He's got like a beard

[01:07:06] He looks great

[01:07:07] I don't know if I just missed this

[01:07:09] Early on

[01:07:10] He's only two episodes

[01:07:11] Yeah thank you

[01:07:12] Early on when he goes to the bar

[01:07:14] When Will goes to the bar

[01:07:15] And meets up with his dad

[01:07:16] Where's my daddy

[01:07:17] He's like passed out in the corner

[01:07:18] And his dad's like drunk

[01:07:19] And he takes the gun off the dad

[01:07:20] And it's like

[01:07:21] Okay interesting relationship here

[01:07:22] This building

[01:07:23] This could be something good

[01:07:24] I hope this is a through line

[01:07:25] Throughout the season

[01:07:26] Especially since I love wearing pants

[01:07:27] Right

[01:07:28] And then they're like

[01:07:30] Ah your son

[01:07:31] Why you still talked to him

[01:07:32] I wouldn't talk to him

[01:07:33] After what he did to you

[01:07:34] Do they ever fucking explain

[01:07:35] What that is

[01:07:36] No he kept saying

[01:07:37] That he could hear

[01:07:38] This dead girl in his brain

[01:07:40] I think it's gonna

[01:07:42] Play into season two or something

[01:07:44] I know it's not good

[01:07:45] They set up this relationship

[01:07:46] That's like so rife

[01:07:47] And it's like

[01:07:48] He's the sort of disgraced cop

[01:07:49] His dad's in shambles now

[01:07:51] He's like legacy Chicago police

[01:07:53] I know they set this all up

[01:07:54] And then they don't

[01:07:55] They don't explain it

[01:07:56] Because he gets a lot of screen time

[01:07:57] In the first couple episodes

[01:07:58] That's like his own shit

[01:07:59] Yeah

[01:08:00] And after that he just kind of

[01:08:01] Becomes the mediator

[01:08:02] Like he's the moderator

[01:08:03] Of the Sense 8 convention

[01:08:04] But you know he's real cute

[01:08:05] He is real

[01:08:06] Real cute

[01:08:07] He's real cute

[01:08:08] And you know who

[01:08:09] You know who his dad is

[01:08:10] Joey Pants

[01:08:11] The cutest guy in the world

[01:08:12] No kidding me though

[01:08:13] No kidding me though

[01:08:14] Joey Pants on Twitter

[01:08:15] Is NKMeToo

[01:08:16] Just if you want to follow him

[01:08:18] Can I marry Joey Pants?

[01:08:19] Yes you can

[01:08:20] Okay thank you

[01:08:21] Thank you for approving him for marriage

[01:08:22] Ben will you officiate?

[01:08:23] Absolutely

[01:08:24] So Will has a relationship

[01:08:26] With Tuppence

[01:08:28] A mental relationship

[01:08:29] There are a couple couples

[01:08:30] They're so cute together

[01:08:31] Within the Sense 8

[01:08:32] They're very cute together

[01:08:33] She's so pretty

[01:08:34] She's very pretty

[01:08:35] He's also very pretty

[01:08:36] Yeah they're pretty people

[01:08:37] Okay so

[01:08:38] Let's move on to

[01:08:40] Kifas who might be the least

[01:08:42] Oh I'm sorry

[01:08:43] There's one more point

[01:08:44] I want to make about Will

[01:08:45] There's a scene in the Will plotline

[01:08:47] You've never seen in any film

[01:08:49] Or TV show before

[01:08:51] He's with his partner

[01:08:53] They're in their car

[01:08:54] Talking about how tough Chicago is

[01:08:56] And as they're driving

[01:08:57] It's just a two shot right

[01:08:59] They're clearly driving a real car

[01:09:01] It's not like a fucking phony

[01:09:02] Baloney thing

[01:09:03] It's a two shot from the side

[01:09:04] From the passenger window

[01:09:06] Of both of them

[01:09:07] And as they're driving

[01:09:08] They go under a bridge

[01:09:11] That is an elevated train

[01:09:12] Right the L train

[01:09:13] Right in Chicago

[01:09:15] And they hold for sound

[01:09:17] Oh that's funny

[01:09:18] Because it's a wonder

[01:09:19] Because they don't cut to coverage

[01:09:21] They're like talking

[01:09:22] And then the train comes

[01:09:23] And they just don't talk for 15 seconds

[01:09:26] They clearly wait for the train

[01:09:27] To stop going

[01:09:28] And then they just pick up

[01:09:29] The conversation again

[01:09:30] And I kind of loved it

[01:09:31] Cause like I know it was

[01:09:32] A technical thing cause like

[01:09:34] When you're filming shit

[01:09:35] And there's a plane or a train

[01:09:36] They go like hold for sound

[01:09:37] It's not even worth recording

[01:09:38] Because we won't be able

[01:09:39] To get this

[01:09:40] And they go like pick it up

[01:09:41] Again after this

[01:09:42] But in this it also kind of worked

[01:09:44] Cause it's like when I'm with a friend

[01:09:45] And we're at the subway station

[01:09:46] The train pulls in

[01:09:47] Yeah you might stop talking

[01:09:48] I stopped talking until the train stopped

[01:09:49] Cause I know I won't be heard

[01:09:50] Yeah

[01:09:51] Love that

[01:09:52] It's my favorite moment of the entire series

[01:09:53] Sense8

[01:09:54] Emmy

[01:09:55] Emmy

[01:09:56] For best holding for sound

[01:09:57] So Amal Amin

[01:09:59] Amal Amin

[01:10:00] Ascalfus

[01:10:01] A great actor

[01:10:02] Who is a Kenyan

[01:10:03] Good actor

[01:10:04] Has been let go for season two

[01:10:06] Was fired

[01:10:07] Yes

[01:10:08] And I think deadline

[01:10:10] Was a little

[01:10:13] Sensitive about describing that

[01:10:14] He had left the show

[01:10:16] But it's very obvious that he was fired

[01:10:18] He got fired after like

[01:10:20] Clashing

[01:10:21] Yes after filming a couple episodes

[01:10:22] Of season two

[01:10:23] And clashing with

[01:10:24] Lily Wachowski

[01:10:25] I think Erlana Wachowski

[01:10:27] Which one

[01:10:28] Lily is not

[01:10:30] Working on season two

[01:10:32] Season two is just going to be Lana

[01:10:34] I think Lily is

[01:10:35] Lily's had a lot of shit go down

[01:10:37] Recently

[01:10:38] So she's going to take over

[01:10:39] Take over

[01:10:40] Yeah

[01:10:41] But I know from experience

[01:10:44] I once was

[01:10:46] We talked about this briefly

[01:10:48] In a previous episode

[01:10:50] But I was almost recast

[01:10:52] On a show that was

[01:10:54] Partially through its season

[01:10:56] And they were unhappy with the actor

[01:10:58] Oh yeah, sure

[01:10:59] You mean you were almost the

[01:11:01] Actor they replaced him with

[01:11:02] I was almost the replacement

[01:11:03] Yeah

[01:11:04] And they were like

[01:11:05] Midstream

[01:11:06] There were maybe like three episodes in

[01:11:07] I had been like

[01:11:08] A runner up

[01:11:09] Before

[01:11:10] You know originally for the pilot

[01:11:12] And then they said

[01:11:13] Like we're not happy with this actor

[01:11:14] We're going to bring you in

[01:11:15] For the executives

[01:11:16] And do a final audition

[01:11:17] And then

[01:11:18] The conversation after that was

[01:11:20] They want to recast

[01:11:21] The guy they have with you

[01:11:23] But they're breaking down

[01:11:24] The numbers of how much it would cost

[01:11:26] To not only

[01:11:28] Reshoot all the scenes from

[01:11:30] The last three episodes with you

[01:11:32] Which will get us behind schedule

[01:11:33] Because we're already on episode four

[01:11:35] And contractually

[01:11:37] They had to pay him

[01:11:38] For all the episodes he wasn't in

[01:11:39] So all I'm saying here is

[01:11:41] To fire someone after shooting two episodes

[01:11:44] Is not a decision you make lightly

[01:11:46] No

[01:11:47] Because it's a lot of money

[01:11:48] And it fucks up your schedule like crazy

[01:11:50] Yup

[01:11:52] He is a great actor

[01:11:54] His performance is very endearing

[01:11:57] I think he's good in the show

[01:11:58] Although I do think his character

[01:11:59] Is maybe the least

[01:12:01] Like sort of

[01:12:03] Like he has the least bearing

[01:12:05] On the overall plot

[01:12:06] On the cosmic sort of

[01:12:08] I agree but I weirdly think

[01:12:10] His plot line is the best

[01:12:12] On its own

[01:12:13] It's not bad

[01:12:14] Alright anyway

[01:12:16] You know what I'm saying?

[01:12:17] Like removed from the larger narrative

[01:12:18] I think his plot line is the most

[01:12:19] Individually compelling

[01:12:21] Okay

[01:12:22] I think a lot of that's his performance

[01:12:24] He's a very endearing guy

[01:12:25] He's very kind-hearted and open

[01:12:27] Yeah

[01:12:28] So it's hard to like

[01:12:29] Imagine what happened

[01:12:30] I know

[01:12:32] On Twitter

[01:12:33] When they announced the new actor playing it

[01:12:35] Jamie Clayton tweeted like

[01:12:37] Congratulations!

[01:12:38] So excited about this

[01:12:39] Good news all around

[01:12:40] And people were like

[01:12:41] Oh throw in shade, throw in shade

[01:12:42] And then her Twitter feed was like

[01:12:43] A thousand people asking her

[01:12:45] Is it true that he got fired

[01:12:47] For transphobic remarks

[01:12:49] That he didn't get along with them

[01:12:50] And she kept on being like

[01:12:51] No it's not that

[01:12:52] It's not that I want to deny that

[01:12:53] But clearly there was some tension

[01:12:55] And it was not insignificant

[01:12:57] Because he is gone

[01:12:58] I think he's quite winning on this show

[01:13:00] Yeah

[01:13:01] I like the Van Damme thing

[01:13:02] I think they play it well

[01:13:03] Whereas the Conan thing

[01:13:04] That gets brought into the German plot line

[01:13:06] Later feels very shoehorned in

[01:13:08] Van Damme is there for episode one

[01:13:10] And I love the idea that like

[01:13:11] This guy

[01:13:12] He loves Jean-Claude Van Damme

[01:13:13] But the same way that

[01:13:14] What's her name

[01:13:15] The woman to be married

[01:13:16] In the Indian plot line

[01:13:18] Keeps on

[01:13:19] She looks up to

[01:13:21] Ganesh, the elephant god

[01:13:22] Right?

[01:13:23] Yeah

[01:13:24] Like he looks up to

[01:13:25] Jean-Claude Van Damme

[01:13:26] In this like religious way

[01:13:28] Yeah

[01:13:29] And I like that

[01:13:30] I think it's funny

[01:13:31] I think it's cute

[01:13:32] I think it's fine

[01:13:33] I think this plot line

[01:13:34] Is fine

[01:13:35] I feel like I've seen a lot of

[01:13:37] Hollywood work about

[01:13:39] Africa

[01:13:40] That is about someone who

[01:13:42] Has AIDS

[01:13:43] And someone who is like

[01:13:45] Gets caught up with gangsters

[01:13:47] With machetes

[01:13:48] Right, so the plot line is

[01:13:49] Which both of these things are

[01:13:50] His mom has AIDS

[01:13:51] Yeah

[01:13:52] And he gets caught up with gangsters

[01:13:53] With machetes

[01:13:54] Who are willing to pay him

[01:13:55] In AIDS medication

[01:13:56] They make it clear

[01:13:57] It's hard to get AIDS medication

[01:13:58] Not only it's expensive

[01:13:59] But a lot of it's fake

[01:14:00] Phony, yeah

[01:14:01] And you see that actually

[01:14:02] That's one thing I wish they did more of

[01:14:04] The scene where you see

[01:14:06] I don't know if it's at school

[01:14:07] Or if it's at work

[01:14:08] But in the In-Im plot line

[01:14:09] The engaged couple

[01:14:11] Yeah

[01:14:12] They're at a meeting

[01:14:13] Where they're talking about

[01:14:14] Counterfeit drugs

[01:14:15] I think they work for

[01:14:16] A pharmaceutical company

[01:14:17] Yeah, they do

[01:14:18] She's like a pharmacist

[01:14:19] Or some sort

[01:14:20] And that's a little bit of

[01:14:21] Like the handshaking

[01:14:22] That I miss from Cloud Atlas

[01:14:23] They don't have much of it

[01:14:24] No, very little

[01:14:25] But so he's got to do

[01:14:26] This job to get this drugs

[01:14:27] To save his mother

[01:14:29] His father's already dead

[01:14:30] He becomes a runner

[01:14:31] For this businessman

[01:14:33] Who is a great father

[01:14:34] And a terrible human being

[01:14:35] Otherwise

[01:14:36] He loves his daughter

[01:14:37] His daughter has leukemia

[01:14:38] So he's paying this guy

[01:14:41] In AIDS medication

[01:14:43] To do illegal runs

[01:14:45] Of his daughter

[01:14:46] To the Leukemia Treatment Center

[01:14:48] Guys, it's all pretty fucking complicated

[01:14:50] They chop off a lot of hands

[01:14:52] There's some hands chopped off

[01:14:53] And then they'd all

[01:14:54] Descend into this cacophony of violence

[01:14:56] Where he like takes down

[01:14:58] 20 machete-wielding gangsters

[01:15:01] In like a bus stop

[01:15:03] Or bus station

[01:15:04] Like a warehouse or something

[01:15:05] It's pretty well

[01:15:06] It's pretty good action

[01:15:07] But you talk about

[01:15:08] I mean like probably my third favorite scene

[01:15:09] I'm talking a holy trinity of scenes

[01:15:10] Along with holding for sound

[01:15:12] And the what's up

[01:15:13] Four non-blans sing along, right?

[01:15:15] Yeah

[01:15:16] The other scene I love

[01:15:17] Is the one where he's like

[01:15:18] Face to face with these guys

[01:15:20] Who took his bag

[01:15:21] With the AIDS medication in it

[01:15:23] He just spent all his money on that

[01:15:24] And he's not gonna lose it

[01:15:25] So he chases them down

[01:15:27] And then fucking doonabay tags in

[01:15:29] And like kickboxes these guys

[01:15:31] And everyone's like

[01:15:32] Oh my god, he's Jean-Claude Van Damme

[01:15:34] And he becomes this sort of like

[01:15:36] Folk hero

[01:15:37] Yeah kind of

[01:15:38] Before he becomes a drug runner

[01:15:39] And then the whole plot line goes away

[01:15:40] Right, then they just immediately drop that

[01:15:42] And then they're like

[01:15:43] So hi I'm a gangster

[01:15:44] Can you like have my daughter on the bus?

[01:15:46] But I love that section

[01:15:47] Where it's like now the van's doing super well

[01:15:49] Because everyone looks at him

[01:15:50] And it's like this superhero

[01:15:51] But didn't they drop it like right away

[01:15:52] And they drop it

[01:15:53] It drives me crazy

[01:15:54] Cause I wanted to see the whole season

[01:15:55] His arc be about that

[01:15:56] But my point was more

[01:15:58] Like you know I guess his skill is literally

[01:16:00] Just being a sweetheart

[01:16:01] And a driver he tags in at one point

[01:16:03] When he needs to drive

[01:16:04] Tell me no one point to drive

[01:16:06] But like other ones it's like

[01:16:08] You know she's a hacker

[01:16:09] He can use a gun

[01:16:10] He can pick a handcuff

[01:16:11] Like you know

[01:16:12] But Lito's strength is he's a good liar

[01:16:14] Yeah but he's that's pretty good

[01:16:15] They use that really well

[01:16:16] Actually like that the most

[01:16:18] That's a good scene

[01:16:19] Yeah Lito can act

[01:16:21] You know Kala the

[01:16:23] Indian pharmacist

[01:16:25] She can do like science stuff

[01:16:27] Yeah

[01:16:28] Yeah what does she really do it?

[01:16:30] Well she doesn't do a lot until the last episode

[01:16:32] Yeah

[01:16:33] Where she whizzes up like a science bomb

[01:16:35] Right

[01:16:36] But anyway but he doesn't yeah

[01:16:38] Driving that's his skill

[01:16:39] Yeah

[01:16:40] Drug

[01:16:41] Alright

[01:16:42] I like him

[01:16:43] I think he's a nice guy

[01:16:44] Max Reimelt as Wolfgang Bogdano

[01:16:48] I'd say this is probably my least favorite

[01:16:50] It's just dull

[01:16:51] He's a German safe cracker

[01:16:53] He's got a friend who literally looks like a rat

[01:16:55] Yeah I love that guy's face

[01:16:57] He's a great

[01:16:58] A great character actor

[01:16:59] Quite a face

[01:17:00] I think he must have been in something else

[01:17:01] Cause he's sort of recognizable to me

[01:17:03] But he's got this like really ratty face

[01:17:05] Yeah

[01:17:06] Yeah and he like cracks a safe

[01:17:08] It's really hard to crack

[01:17:09] His dad couldn't crack it

[01:17:11] He's got daddy issues

[01:17:12] There's gangsters

[01:17:13] They steal some diamonds

[01:17:14] Well that was that

[01:17:15] It's stupid I hate this one

[01:17:16] He steals it before his fucking

[01:17:18] Like cousin was gonna steal it

[01:17:20] Yeah

[01:17:21] And his cousin's a fucking dickhead

[01:17:22] And they're like let's steal it

[01:17:23] Cause we're better and our cousin fucking sucks

[01:17:26] And then the uncle is like fuck you guys

[01:17:29] And tries to kill them all

[01:17:30] He has an abusive dad

[01:17:31] He's afraid to sing in public

[01:17:33] Cause his dad laughed at him once

[01:17:34] When he was doing a course recital

[01:17:36] It is boring

[01:17:38] And it's really hackneyed

[01:17:39] It's like so cliched

[01:17:41] And like there's an episode where they

[01:17:43] Start spending money all over town

[01:17:44] Cause they stole some diamonds

[01:17:46] And you're like

[01:17:47] Guys like have you not seen any crime movie?

[01:17:49] Like don't do that

[01:17:50] Yeah we've seen this a thousand times

[01:17:52] And yet it still takes like seven episodes

[01:17:54] Before Raf Face gets shotgunned in the chest

[01:17:56] More

[01:17:57] I think that happens episode 809

[01:17:59] But there's one thing about Max Remelt's character

[01:18:02] That really works

[01:18:03] And I love it

[01:18:05] Is Wiener

[01:18:06] Yeah he's got a beautiful penis

[01:18:07] Yeah

[01:18:08] And there's

[01:18:09] He has a crossover relationship

[01:18:11] That is what you were gonna say right?

[01:18:12] Yeah we're on the same page

[01:18:13] We're not making a joke

[01:18:14] No

[01:18:15] It's a plot point

[01:18:16] Yeah it is

[01:18:17] That he's got a great look in there

[01:18:18] He's got a nice looking penis

[01:18:19] And I've been

[01:18:20] We've both been outspoken

[01:18:21] We want more dicks on camera

[01:18:23] Yeah have you seen Popstar

[01:18:25] Never Stop Never Stopping?

[01:18:26] No I'm gonna see it tonight

[01:18:27] Good penis scene in that one

[01:18:28] Good penis?

[01:18:29] I still haven't seen Bigger Splash too

[01:18:30] Which I know you told me has some quality weighing in that

[01:18:32] Yeah it's got

[01:18:33] That's got some more of the

[01:18:34] Dramatic sort of vulnerable penis

[01:18:36] Yeah

[01:18:37] Where it's like

[01:18:38] From the penis?

[01:18:39] No

[01:18:40] While the penis is out

[01:18:42] They're sort of more like

[01:18:43] Anger and rage and stuff

[01:18:45] Am I

[01:18:46] I'm interested

[01:18:47] Am I allowed to say your review

[01:18:48] Of Bigger Splash?

[01:18:49] No okay I won't say it

[01:18:50] But it's a good show

[01:18:51] I mean movie

[01:18:52] Yeah I'll say it

[01:18:53] I would have been happy

[01:18:54] If it had been a show

[01:18:56] Good no he wouldn't have been a good show

[01:18:57] Yeah okay anyway

[01:18:58] No he's got a romance with Kala

[01:19:01] Who is the Indian lady

[01:19:04] Who is maybe about to get married

[01:19:05] And is worried about it

[01:19:06] And they immediately form like

[01:19:07] So this guy who's very desirable

[01:19:08] But she's not in love with him

[01:19:09] Very desirable and sweet

[01:19:10] But she's not into him

[01:19:11] And whatever

[01:19:12] When it's not right

[01:19:13] It's not right

[01:19:14] He's just not that into you

[01:19:15] Yeah

[01:19:16] I made it up trademark

[01:19:17] Just not that into you

[01:19:18] trademark

[01:19:19] Um

[01:19:20] But so there's this scene where

[01:19:22] She's about to get married

[01:19:23] And then

[01:19:24] And she crosses over to him

[01:19:25] And they've already been kind of

[01:19:26] Mind flirting and dancing together

[01:19:28] And they're looking at the guest

[01:19:29] Lesson they're going

[01:19:30] Okay ant ant Patricia here

[01:19:32] My college roommate Doris here

[01:19:34] Dick who invited the dick here

[01:19:36] And she and he's getting out of

[01:19:37] The bath

[01:19:38] The the the bathing hall

[01:19:40] And so she's like

[01:19:42] Literally getting married

[01:19:44] There's a lot of bathing in this show

[01:19:45] Just gotta take a bath

[01:19:47] But multiple characters

[01:19:48] Gotta take a bath

[01:19:49] A lot of characters, man

[01:19:51] Not a lot of shower scenes

[01:19:52] A lot of bathing

[01:19:53] Um and she

[01:19:55] But this is the only incident

[01:19:56] Of like serious nudity

[01:19:58] I guess in the beginning

[01:19:59] You see um

[01:20:00] No me and uh

[01:20:02] I'm gonna need a having sex

[01:20:03] But like there's not a lot of

[01:20:04] You they have two sex scenes

[01:20:06] I guess so

[01:20:07] There's not a ton of nudity

[01:20:08] And you see her

[01:20:09] You see her accomplice in a bath once

[01:20:10] Sure

[01:20:11] But some of these Netflix shows

[01:20:12] You know they're really like

[01:20:13] Ehhhh

[01:20:14] He has a booby

[01:20:15] You're getting a booby

[01:20:16] Um but anyway

[01:20:17] And she's getting married

[01:20:18] And she just

[01:20:19] He pops into her brain

[01:20:20] And she literally just like

[01:20:22] Takes a shocked look

[01:20:24] At his

[01:20:26] Flaccid wiener

[01:20:27] They cut from her

[01:20:28] Shocked face straight to

[01:20:30] Single close up

[01:20:32] Of a wiener

[01:20:33] Yes

[01:20:34] And then from the wiener

[01:20:35] The camera slowly

[01:20:36] Back

[01:20:37] Tilts up to his face

[01:20:38] And then you're like

[01:20:39] Oh that's who's wiener it is

[01:20:40] Right

[01:20:41] But it's one of the few times

[01:20:42] I've seen like

[01:20:43] Not for joke purposes

[01:20:44] Just like

[01:20:45] Here's a clean shot

[01:20:46] Of a wiener

[01:20:47] And then she feints

[01:20:48] Yeah

[01:20:49] She does feints

[01:20:50] Interrupting the wedding

[01:20:51] And then he does say

[01:20:52] Like you were looking at my dick

[01:20:53] Later and she's like

[01:20:54] I was not

[01:20:55] But she was

[01:20:56] She was looking at his dick

[01:20:57] We all saw it

[01:20:58] So that's his

[01:20:59] That's his major contribution

[01:21:00] I feel like

[01:21:01] Quality dawn

[01:21:02] He helps Lito

[01:21:03] Like fight some gangsters

[01:21:05] At one point

[01:21:07] Later on

[01:21:08] Yeah

[01:21:09] Cause

[01:21:10] Black male

[01:21:11] And not a gangster

[01:21:12] Yeah anyway

[01:21:13] So Kala will just wrap her up

[01:21:15] She's got a really frustrating plotline

[01:21:17] I feel like

[01:21:18] The Indian woman

[01:21:19] Like there's this whole idea

[01:21:20] That she's religious

[01:21:21] And she's also a woman of science

[01:21:25] And she's an independent woman

[01:21:26] In like

[01:21:27] You know

[01:21:28] A still very stratified society

[01:21:29] In a very strict society

[01:21:30] And these two things can exist independently

[01:21:32] And she's got this lovely dad

[01:21:34] Who's a cook

[01:21:35] Who's played by Anubhav Kher

[01:21:36] Anubhav Kher

[01:21:37] Who's this like amazing

[01:21:38] Amazing Indian actor

[01:21:39] He's great

[01:21:40] He's in Bendit like Beckham

[01:21:41] He's been

[01:21:42] He's been in a few American movies

[01:21:43] And he's always great

[01:21:44] But I think he's like a legend

[01:21:45] Of Indian cinema

[01:21:46] And he's so good

[01:21:47] And he's just like

[01:21:48] I love you

[01:21:49] Do whatever you want to do

[01:21:50] I'm happy you're getting married

[01:21:51] So here's my problem

[01:21:52] Why is she getting married?

[01:21:54] Cause the whole thing is like

[01:21:55] The whole season is her deciding

[01:21:57] Whether or not she's going to get married

[01:21:59] Even though you know

[01:22:01] She doesn't love this guy

[01:22:02] See this is why not

[01:22:03] Oh, Penis Man says

[01:22:04] You don't love him

[01:22:05] When she's saying

[01:22:06] And she's like yeah I don't

[01:22:07] She doesn't love him

[01:22:08] He's a nice guy

[01:22:09] I don't love him

[01:22:10] I mean I get that

[01:22:11] But a lot of money's been spent

[01:22:12] On this wedding

[01:22:13] And he's very nice

[01:22:14] Like he's a sweetheart

[01:22:15] This rich husband

[01:22:17] Of fiance at first

[01:22:18] This is when the Claude Landisman

[01:22:20] Like shout out to the show

[01:22:21] I think hits hard for me

[01:22:22] Is like if you go from

[01:22:23] Like someone with a gun to their head

[01:22:25] To her

[01:22:26] When she already has decided

[01:22:27] Episode one

[01:22:28] Like she doesn't change her mind at all

[01:22:30] Episode one

[01:22:31] She's like I'm not in love with him

[01:22:32] I shouldn't marry him

[01:22:33] And then proceeds to for 12 episodes

[01:22:34] Not do anything about it

[01:22:35] Yeah

[01:22:36] Perceed with the wedding

[01:22:37] Even though she knows

[01:22:38] She doesn't want to

[01:22:39] I think guys

[01:22:40] It's like a cultural thing

[01:22:41] I mean like in you know

[01:22:43] Doury and what not

[01:22:44] I feel like it's just

[01:22:45] That's part of the culture there

[01:22:47] No but there even is this thing

[01:22:49] Where like

[01:22:50] Ben it gets to later in the season

[01:22:51] That the father doesn't

[01:22:52] Like neither parent

[01:22:53] Wants them to get married

[01:22:54] Oh that's just dumb

[01:22:55] Yeah his dad doesn't like her

[01:22:57] And then later in the season

[01:22:59] Her dad is like

[01:23:00] I know you're not in love with him

[01:23:01] You have to make the tough choice

[01:23:02] Like I know it's difficult

[01:23:03] But I know you'll do the right thing

[01:23:04] So it's like no one's forcing them

[01:23:06] To get married

[01:23:07] It's true people are almost saying

[01:23:08] They shouldn't

[01:23:09] But then every time she's like

[01:23:10] Maybe I don't want to get married

[01:23:11] The fiance is just like

[01:23:13] I understand

[01:23:14] Like it's okay

[01:23:15] He's a very nice guy

[01:23:16] But she just doesn't love him

[01:23:17] And there's even like the first episode

[01:23:19] One of her friends is like

[01:23:20] If you don't marry him I will

[01:23:22] So it's like so her friends

[01:23:23] Even know that she's like

[01:23:24] On the fence

[01:23:25] Everyone's just like

[01:23:26] Look if you don't want to marry him

[01:23:27] It's fine

[01:23:28] She's a very internal character

[01:23:29] Which is fine

[01:23:30] And it's fun to see her

[01:23:31] Occasionally get drawn out

[01:23:32] With the senseates

[01:23:33] Like when she's talking in her head

[01:23:34] Yeah

[01:23:35] That's fine

[01:23:36] And the scenes with her and

[01:23:37] Max

[01:23:38] Our Max penis are great

[01:23:39] Like Max and Wolfie are the two

[01:23:40] I'm confused

[01:23:41] Not Will and Wolfie

[01:23:42] I keep on thinking Max's name

[01:23:43] Wolfie is the

[01:23:44] Max and Wolfie's rat face

[01:23:45] No Max is the actor

[01:23:46] Wolfie is the character

[01:23:47] Oh okay

[01:23:48] I'm calling

[01:23:49] They're all one person

[01:23:50] You drive me crazy

[01:23:51] Sorry buddy

[01:23:52] We're all one person

[01:23:53] Max penis

[01:23:54] So she doesn't do anything

[01:23:55] For 12 hours so it's

[01:23:56] Moving on

[01:23:57] She does look at that dick

[01:23:58] Yeah

[01:23:59] But she makes a science bomb

[01:24:00] In episode 12

[01:24:01] And we do too

[01:24:02] Which is nice because

[01:24:03] We can relate to her

[01:24:04] We're all looking at that dick

[01:24:05] The final character

[01:24:06] That we haven't discussed

[01:24:07] Leto Rodriguez

[01:24:08] Played by Miguel Angel Silvestre

[01:24:10] A Bask background

[01:24:14] Mexican actor

[01:24:16] Bask?

[01:24:17] What's Bask?

[01:24:18] He's Bask

[01:24:19] It's a region of Spain

[01:24:20] Oh gosh I thought it was

[01:24:21] An acting style

[01:24:22] They ask him

[01:24:23] He's like I'm from the

[01:24:24] Bow originally

[01:24:25] Okay

[01:24:26] You know

[01:24:27] It doesn't really come up

[01:24:28] Um

[01:24:29] It's cute

[01:24:30] Yeah

[01:24:31] Cute plotline

[01:24:32] So it's like kind of

[01:24:33] An old fashioned plotline

[01:24:34] Which they save

[01:24:35] By setting in in Mexico

[01:24:36] Like his career would be over

[01:24:38] It's a comedy of manners

[01:24:39] This is sort of the equivalent

[01:24:40] Of the Timothy Cavendish plotline

[01:24:42] And there definitely are points

[01:24:43] Where like they're playing

[01:24:44] Jonte music during this

[01:24:45] Where it's like

[01:24:46] Oh how goofy this plotline is

[01:24:48] And it's kind of cute

[01:24:49] Because it's like he's got

[01:24:50] A nice boyfriend

[01:24:51] They love each other

[01:24:52] Never in question

[01:24:53] He's got this beard girlfriend

[01:24:54] Who basically just like

[01:24:55] Becomes their best pal

[01:24:56] And they all hang out together

[01:24:57] And like sit around

[01:24:58] In their underwear

[01:24:59] When she finds out

[01:25:00] That he's gay

[01:25:01] Rather than blowing

[01:25:02] Everything like

[01:25:03] They think she will

[01:25:04] She's just like

[01:25:05] This is great

[01:25:06] I love it

[01:25:07] I love gay men

[01:25:08] I want to live with you

[01:25:09] I want to be your live in

[01:25:10] Beard

[01:25:11] And she masturbates

[01:25:12] While watching them fuck

[01:25:13] Yep

[01:25:14] Yep

[01:25:15] Yep that's true

[01:25:16] That's a scene

[01:25:17] Which is like

[01:25:18] That's where

[01:25:19] Sensei is kind of important

[01:25:20] Because it's like

[01:25:21] No other TV shows doing that

[01:25:22] This is true

[01:25:23] This is like complicated

[01:25:24] Sexuality

[01:25:25] There's a lot of

[01:25:26] Great fucking

[01:25:27] Yeah

[01:25:28] That's what she's into

[01:25:30] She's into watching

[01:25:31] You know what

[01:25:32] This is a 12 episode show

[01:25:34] What's your point?

[01:25:35] I don't know

[01:25:36] That's the whole plot

[01:25:37] Yeah

[01:25:38] You know and then in episode 9

[01:25:39] She gets into some trouble

[01:25:41] And the boyfriend breaks up

[01:25:42] With Lito because he's like

[01:25:44] You know

[01:25:45] Your closeted nature is just putting

[01:25:47] We should talk about this a little bit

[01:25:48] So the other reason why

[01:25:49] She wants to live with them

[01:25:50] In addition to loving

[01:25:51] Seeing that dude undid sex

[01:25:52] She's got like an abusive

[01:25:53] Former boyfriend or boyfriend

[01:25:54] Right

[01:25:55] This like drug lord kind of guy

[01:25:56] Who wanted her

[01:25:57] There's so many drug lords

[01:25:58] Yeah there's a lot of drugs

[01:25:59] In this show

[01:26:00] Yeah

[01:26:01] He wanted her

[01:26:02] And she was like

[01:26:03] No

[01:26:04] And now he's angry

[01:26:05] Because he can't have her

[01:26:06] He's possessive

[01:26:07] And he's a abuser

[01:26:08] He's a physical abuser

[01:26:09] So you know

[01:26:10] She

[01:26:11] Yeah

[01:26:12] He beats her up

[01:26:13] Because he steals her

[01:26:14] Can we just be over

[01:26:16] Can we be done

[01:26:17] Can we just be done with this

[01:26:18] There's the scene

[01:26:19] Where he shows up at the house

[01:26:21] And they're like

[01:26:22] What are you doing here

[01:26:23] He's wearing a luchador mask

[01:26:24] He's broken into their home

[01:26:25] They've gone out

[01:26:26] And the boyfriend's

[01:26:27] Pretended to be a bodyguard

[01:26:29] And it's like

[01:26:30] Oh look at us

[01:26:31] Fun

[01:26:32] Where it's like Jules and Jim

[01:26:33] It's this sort of like three way relationship

[01:26:34] Right

[01:26:35] Yeah

[01:26:36] And then he's like

[01:26:37] Hello there

[01:26:38] Wearing the luchador mask

[01:26:39] They're like

[01:26:40] What the fuck are you doing here

[01:26:41] He's like

[01:26:42] I want to watch you fuck her

[01:26:43] And they're like

[01:26:44] What

[01:26:45] And he's like

[01:26:46] I'll learn from the best

[01:26:47] You want to play football

[01:26:48] You watch the best footballers

[01:26:49] And they're like

[01:26:50] Get the fuck out of here

[01:26:51] So you think there's going to be a scene

[01:26:52] Where he forces him

[01:26:53] To fuck a woman at gunpoint

[01:26:54] Which then doesn't happen

[01:26:55] But then it turns out

[01:26:56] An episode later

[01:26:57] That he stole her phone

[01:26:59] Which has all these pictures of them fucking

[01:27:01] Because she likes that

[01:27:02] Dude this sucks

[01:27:03] So he's going to blackmail them

[01:27:04] I mean this is all crappy plot

[01:27:06] It's really bad

[01:27:07] There was one moment I liked it

[01:27:09] Okay what was the moment you liked

[01:27:10] Um

[01:27:11] I liked this scene

[01:27:13] I think they did a good job

[01:27:15] Of showing the sort of pathological

[01:27:18] Justification of physical abusers

[01:27:21] That's fine

[01:27:22] That I agree with you

[01:27:23] It just

[01:27:24] Like a lot of this stuff

[01:27:25] Comes right out of nowhere

[01:27:26] Yeah I agree

[01:27:27] And then suddenly there's like a lot of it

[01:27:29] But there is that line where she says

[01:27:31] Like you used to beat the shit out of me

[01:27:32] And he's like

[01:27:33] I'm Mexican this is

[01:27:34] You have to understand it

[01:27:35] Absolutely absolutely

[01:27:36] And it's like that kind of insipid

[01:27:37] Like I'm not wrong

[01:27:38] You don't understand how the world works

[01:27:40] Yeah he's just like

[01:27:41] This is how it is

[01:27:42] Right right

[01:27:43] And it's like

[01:27:44] You know

[01:27:45] Because a lot of things

[01:27:46] Look

[01:27:47] Beating people

[01:27:48] Terrible

[01:27:49] The absolute

[01:27:50] Worse

[01:27:51] Don't do it

[01:27:52] But a lot of shows

[01:27:53] Will like just be like

[01:27:54] Guys a monster

[01:27:55] Yes I agree with that

[01:27:56] But a lot of monsters justify

[01:27:57] Why they're not monsters in their head

[01:27:59] And I think that's a very Wachowski touch

[01:28:01] I like that one moment

[01:28:02] Here's my counter

[01:28:03] The guy is 100% a monster

[01:28:05] With no character resistance

[01:28:06] Agreed 100%

[01:28:07] So that one line is out of line

[01:28:09] With the rest of what's going on

[01:28:10] Doesn't really work

[01:28:11] Because it's just like

[01:28:12] He's just a demon they need to defeat

[01:28:14] And they do with violence

[01:28:16] Yeah I just thought that was a good piece of dialogue

[01:28:17] That didn't sync up

[01:28:18] With the rest of the character

[01:28:19] Yeah it is

[01:28:20] Cause he also like

[01:28:21] F***ing

[01:28:22] Like sticks a knife to Lido's throat

[01:28:24] During like a brunch

[01:28:25] No that's what I'm saying

[01:28:26] I'm saying that's out of whack

[01:28:27] Cause he like clearly is just a monster

[01:28:29] He's a mustache twirling monster

[01:28:31] You know what they do

[01:28:32] They solve it all

[01:28:33] And they get her out of there

[01:28:34] And they reunite

[01:28:35] And they're happy

[01:28:37] But like half of these plot lines are solved

[01:28:38] And he uses his acting skills

[01:28:40] To help people break into things

[01:28:42] Wolfie won't stand up to his uncle

[01:28:44] Because like

[01:28:45] That's a pretty good scene

[01:28:46] That's a good scene

[01:28:47] Wolfie won't stand up to his uncle

[01:28:49] Because he reminds him of his father

[01:28:51] And he can't talk back to his father

[01:28:53] And Lido's like

[01:28:54] I'll do it

[01:28:55] Tag in

[01:28:56] And then gives like the f***ing best performance

[01:28:58] Yeah those scenes are fun

[01:28:59] Yeah

[01:29:01] Half the eight are like

[01:29:03] Resolved way too neatly

[01:29:04] And the other half are not resolved at all

[01:29:06] Yeah

[01:29:07] And it's like

[01:29:08] Here's chapter one of five

[01:29:09] And this is the thing

[01:29:10] This show is kind of like

[01:29:11] Well don't worry about it

[01:29:12] There'll be more

[01:29:13] Okay

[01:29:14] We just got a lot

[01:29:16] We got a lot

[01:29:17] It's like

[01:29:18] Make each hour of television

[01:29:20] I watch interesting on its own

[01:29:21] Make each season interesting on its own

[01:29:23] Don't make me have to watch five seasons

[01:29:24] For this whole thing to fit together

[01:29:26] And there's these moments that are great

[01:29:28] Like the four non-blond scene

[01:29:29] Or the birth scene

[01:29:30] You know like these sort of

[01:29:32] Collective moments are very cool

[01:29:33] And even just this world view

[01:29:35] Some of the action is really cool

[01:29:36] And it's inclusiveness

[01:29:37] The action is great

[01:29:38] And it's just like

[01:29:39] This

[01:29:40] I mean someone tweeted when this show came out

[01:29:41] Like this is essentially diversity

[01:29:43] The show

[01:29:44] Yeah

[01:29:45] Like this is a show with no barriers

[01:29:46] In who it covers

[01:29:47] And how it covers them

[01:29:48] Sure

[01:29:49] And sort of

[01:29:50] Aside from the villain characters

[01:29:51] Who are very one dimensional

[01:29:52] The heroes of our show are all portrayed with

[01:29:54] No judgment

[01:29:55] Yeah

[01:29:56] And there's the sort of thing

[01:29:57] There's this sex scene

[01:29:58] Where like two of the couples are fucking

[01:30:00] And then

[01:30:01] Like simultaneously

[01:30:02] Four other characters feel like they're being fucked

[01:30:05] And you have this orgy scene

[01:30:07] In like the public bath

[01:30:08] That Will goes to

[01:30:09] Yeah

[01:30:10] Where they're all sort of fucking each other

[01:30:11] And then episode 12

[01:30:12] When was Lido and Will meet for the first time

[01:30:15] And he's like

[01:30:16] Oh I fucked you

[01:30:17] Tight ass right

[01:30:18] Yeah

[01:30:19] And Will isn't like

[01:30:20] What do you get the fuck out of here

[01:30:21] They're like yeah we did all fuck

[01:30:22] You know

[01:30:23] Like this show has like a very unsurprising

[01:30:25] A very inclusive sense of sexuality

[01:30:27] Where it's like

[01:30:28] Which is all great

[01:30:29] If you want to be straight

[01:30:30] But masturbate to two gay guys fucking

[01:30:32] Do that

[01:30:33] You know

[01:30:34] It's not a

[01:30:35] If you want to be a transgender lesbian

[01:30:36] If you want to have straight up

[01:30:37] Normie hetero missionary sex

[01:30:39] You just look at each other

[01:30:40] And hold hands

[01:30:41] Yeah

[01:30:42] Go for it

[01:30:43] If you want to brain fuck everybody

[01:30:44] If you want to kiss on a mountain

[01:30:45] You can do whatever you want

[01:30:47] But

[01:30:48] Just

[01:30:49] Give me some pot

[01:30:50] You know to hang that all on you know

[01:30:52] Philosophically I adore this show