Signs with Murf Meyer and Diana Kolsky

[00:00:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin

[00:00:10] [SPEAKER_00]: What to say or to expect?

[00:00:14] [SPEAKER_00]: All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check

[00:00:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Daddy there's a podcast at my window. Can I have a glass of podcast?

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Isn't it at my bed or door?

[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I think window right?

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey everybody I'm Griffin!

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm David Sims

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Griffin Newman is the name

[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_04]: David Sims is the name of the other person I host the show with

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I forgot to put my fucking phone on airplane mode for the second time

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Even for you this is a bad opening

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_04]: This is the worst one yet

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_04]: But this is the best podcast ever

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_04]: It's called Blank Check with Griffin and David

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_04]: This is a mini series, we do mini series

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_04]: We're like cereal

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And we don't dip back into the old school

[00:00:56] [SPEAKER_08]: We might do that one day who knows

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah we probably will but for now

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Cereal spamming my feed with season one again? I didn't like that

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_08]: I kinda like it

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Can I throw out a hot take?

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Audenon did it?

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_04]: No we established that episode one of this podcast

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_04]: We were very clear, we wanted to make it clear that people didn't need to list a cereal anymore

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Because we told everyone that Audenon did it

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_04]: What's your hot take?

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Hot take I think season two is really good and people don't like it or poopy diaper babies

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_08]: I agree, cereal season two is great

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_08]: It's great, so that's a shout out

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Love cereal season two

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Poopy diaper babies

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And K-Nig, get on this podcast

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_04]: This podcast, mini series

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Investigative mini series

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_04]: About passion projects

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_04]: When filmmakers are given a blank check

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_04]: To do whatever they want

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes someone has a big hit

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_04]: You give them one shot

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_04]: You set a mic at your amino, heavens gate

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_04]: You get one shot, free rain

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes someone makes such a big splash early on

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Hollywood just keeps saying

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Do it again

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_04]: They keep swinging one could say

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_08]: They swing away

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_04]: The problem is they swing every time

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Even as the

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Flops pile up, Hollywood's like

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_08]: This time you're going to get it right

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Really honing the

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_04]: To paraphrase the immortal

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Michael Showalter, never stop swinging

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_08]: And he's in this movie

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Sorry, sorry

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Apology accepted

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_04]: So this podcast, this mini series

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Is called

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Podknight Shyamacast

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Podknight Shyamacast which beat out my choice

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Which was P-Cast Shyamalan

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_04]: We don't need to talk about it every week

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I had a lot of people come to me on the street

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And say they would have voted for mine if they hadn't been bullied

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Former guest Katie Rich called it your name

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_08]: By mistake when she plugged us on her podcast

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Take it where I can get

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_04]: We have two guests

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Today

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Much more professional podcast than this one

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_04]: We talk a lot about our home base here

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_04]: At the UCB Comedy Network with our old buddy

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Producer Benjamin

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Ben Hosley, the Hoss

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Poet Laureate

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Ben Ducer, Perdure Ben

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_04]: The Peeper, Poet Laureate

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Mr Positive

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Kylo Ben, Hello Fennel

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_04]: The Tiebreaker

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Birthday Benny

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Professor Crispy

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Which you tried to name him last week

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm very clear on that

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_04]: That's not his nickname, we're not going to call him that

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll announce every episode that is not his nickname

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_04]: His name is Benjamin Hosley

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And in an ongoing series of twists

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Every week we think we know what our relationship is to him

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_04]: In this new mini series

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Changes again

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_04]: One week he's in the studio with us on mic

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Another week he's in the booth but we can hear him

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_04]: One week he's got a fucking intern

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And then he doesn't have an intern

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Today we have a walkie talkie on a table

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Because we have

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_04]: We have two guests

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_04]: We have two guests on one episode

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_08]: And that has displaced Ben

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_08]: And he's the lowest on the list

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_08]: That relegates him out of the league basically

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_04]: So we have a walkie talkie but we turn the walkie talkie off

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_04]: So if Ben has an emergency he's got to storm in here dramatically

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's listening to us right now

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah that's the best part

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And he can't say anything

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, if you hear a door slam open dramatically

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Then the next thing that happens

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_04]: One of us will pass over a microphone

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And Ben will be able to announce something

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Two guests, and they are

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_04]: One could say cousins

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Within our UCB Comedy

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Podcasting Network family

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, brethren

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_04]: They host a podcast that both of us have been on

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And here's a twist

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Not just podcast co-hosts

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_04]: They're co-hosts in life and in matrimony

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Because they're

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_04]: The sexiest fucking couple I know

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Ladies and gentlemen

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Murph Meyer

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Danikolsky of the Menage Toi

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Podcasts

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Thanks for coming guys

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought you were saying we were cousins

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I thought that's where that was going too

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought a blood test had been done

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_06]: And I was like Jesus, let us

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Spill that on our own show

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Rather than that breaking news

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_06]: On someone else's show that we are cousins

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_04]: We're the twist corner over here

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_04]: We're sort of the twistiest podcast

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_04]: This has been such a twisty podcast so far

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Can I also say the peeper is my favorite name for Haas

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Sometimes he's peeping in

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Sometimes he peeps

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Ben is also your producer

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well the first time

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_03]: When we busted out the walkie talkie in our podcast

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I laughed for like four hours

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_06]: It's a good bit

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_03]: He was like screaming at an intern through a wall

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_06]: That was a fire sale at Radio Shack

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a baby monitor

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Reference

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Diana, see

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_04]: These people, you can tell

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_04]: We're dealing with pro podcasters here

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Because that was a perfect segue into the movie

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_04]: That we're talking about today

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Which is Signs

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Signs

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_04]: The fifth film by M. Night Shyamalan

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_04]: The third M. Night Shyamalan film

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Quote unquote

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Once he rebranded himself as the master of suspense

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_04]: But this is the fifth

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Major Russian picture that M. Night Shyamalan directed

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And we're going through

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_04]: All of them one by one

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Now I guess, you know, let's

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Just to remind everyone

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Praying With Anger, student film barely released

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Wide awake, kept on the shelf

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Released years later

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, wasn't happy with the results

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Six cents, humongous

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_04]: You might have heard of that one

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I have not

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_06]: It was big at the MTV Movie Awards that year

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Best scared as shit performance

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_04]: That was a category for a while

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_04]: They weirdly qualified

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_04]: They nominated

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Misha Barton

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Barfing on Haley D'Lazmin

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_04]: As Best Kiss

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_04]: No they did not

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_04]: They did, apparently the people who worked for MTV didn't know what a kiss was

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Most of their staff is 10

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_06]: They were like, when I think about girls or boys

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_06]: I puke

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Kissing is when a boy and a girl do a thing with a mouth

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_04]: You're like, well did she open her mouth and things?

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_03]: That was like Munchausen by Proxy

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Kiss?

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_03]: That was a very dark vomit kiss

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Even darker than Just Being Barfed On

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Didn't win, went to Cruel Intentions instead

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Tell Me A Blair

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Speaking of a little incestual

[00:06:55] Anyway

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Six cents is huge

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_04]: One of the 10 highest grossing films of all time

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_04]: It got nominated for like 8 Academy Awards

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Huge

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Comes back the next year with Unbreakable

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_04]: A film that I adore, you like, love

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_04]: You like it

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_04]: But it was a big

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Didn't lose money but it was a huge financial disappointment

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_04]: In the wake of Six Cents

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Topped out at under $100 million

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And didn't get any Oscar attention

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I think has grown in esteem since then

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_04]: But at the time was viewed as like maybe he was a one hit wonder

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_04]: It was viewed as a

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Classic sophomore slump

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_04]: The classic fourth film sophomore slump

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And then, no I know what you're saying though

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I know, we talked about it last week

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I wasn't making fun of you, I love you David

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh I forgot to say, we're the two friends

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, we are hashtag the two friends

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_04]: We're trying to get that going in terms of branding

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_04]: We think that's a hook that other podcasts don't have

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Because like, you folks, you're a couple, you're a married couple

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_08]: You're not friends

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_08]: And you're not there to make friends

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_04]: We're the two friends

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you know what I'm saying? We're not here to make friends either

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_04]: We only invite people who are already friends with to be in the podcast

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_04]: But we think like, people are like

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_04]: What podcast do I listen to? And if they hear like

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh this podcast has two friends on it

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Two friends, one and two

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_08]: It's very inclusive too

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_08]: A lot of people have been in that situation where they've been

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_08]: The two friends

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think most people can relate to being a person and having a friend

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Anyways

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's universal, where the two friends are fans are called blankies

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Signs comes out

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Two years after Unbreakable

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Because Unbreakable comes out 15 months after Sixth Sense

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_08]: That's right, Signs comes out August

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_08]: 2002

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_04]: So not a huge gap, but there's a little time to sort of reset

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_04]: The public now has sort of like gone back to like

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, we don't know, M.I. Chameleon is not going to

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Pull out of Sixth Sense every time

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Expectations are more reasonable

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_08]: A little bit, but also Chameleon is like alright

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Unbreakable was a little too moody, a little too slow

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Not a big twist

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Not like a big action-y

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Suspense-y stuff

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going populous this time

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Right, let's make a big, blown-out

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Suspense film, like a fun

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Thriller

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I believe this movie comes out the first

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Weekend of August, which we've referred to

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_04]: As the one sort of

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Weekend in the summer, the one weekend in August

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_04]: You can release a film and still have it look

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Legitimate. You get later into August

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_04]: You look a little gamey

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_04]: That's true

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Early August you can sneak in there

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And if you're good

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_04]: You play through August and September

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Yep. Yeah, he came out the week

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Before Austin Members

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Gold Member had just come out the week

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Before. Okay, so the dethroned

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Gold Member. So Signs knocked that off

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Was Gold Member, was that three? Was that the third one?

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_04]: That's the third one. And then Triple X comes out the following weekend

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_08]: I believe. You may be right

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Gold Member opened to 73 million

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Dollars, wow. People were really hyped for

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, in 2002. For the third Austin

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Powers. For Austin Powers and Gold Member

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Clamoring for it. Yeah, Triple

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_08]: X is the next week. This is a stat I love

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Just a little box off a sidebar

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you know that

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Austin Powers in

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_04]: The Spy Who Shagged Me

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Is one of only two sequels in history

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_04]: To outgross the first

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Film in the opening weekend alone

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, wow. Wow. Okay

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_04]: So Austin Powers, International

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Man of Mystery I think made 50 million dollars

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_08]: It was a sort of middling to nothing hit

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Spy Who Shagged Me did 54 opening weekend

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_04]: In 1999 which means it would almost be

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_04]: 100 million today. Wow. People were really

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Intossed in Austin Powers, including me. I was really

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Intossed in Austin Powers. And then the only other one is Pitch Perfect 2

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_04]: There you go

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's 60 million total

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_04]: First movie, second movie did 68 opening

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Weekend. Wow. Nuts, right?

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_06]: One fucking weekend. One weekend.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Why are we not walking around, I mean I haven't seen

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Pitch Perfect 2 but what's the

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Behave?

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Society was walking around

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_06]: For months only communicating and fucking

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, in powers

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_06]: The equivalent is for Pitch Perfect 2. I've gotten really into

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if this is gonna stick but I've been trying to sneak

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_04]: This in socially. I've been trying to use

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Shagadelic as part of my

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_04]: My main vocabulary

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Might be time. But not do Austin Powers

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Impressions. Right. Just be like, Murph, that's a very

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Shagadelic shirt you're wearing

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's really funny. I don't know if it's gonna

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Stick. Well, but I think Murph is right

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Cause he's like kinda like. Murph is right. He's a very Shagadelic man

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_08]: It is a very Shagadelic shirt

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_08]: But like he was like

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Borat was eventually the Austin Powers but

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Who replaced Borat? Who is it now?

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Who? Is it

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_08]: What do we got? What's the minions? Is it the minions?

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_08]: I think it is. Yeah, you know

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_04]: You always know like drunk uncles show up at parties going like

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, ba-da-ba-da-da-da

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Whoa! Drunk uncle

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_04]: That sounds like a good character. I said drunk uncles. I know

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I have an accident. You should flush that out

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I was trying to think of who quotes the big comedy movie

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And makes it uncool. It's your uncle

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_04]: It's always the uncle. Not my uncle

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_04]: My uncle's very sophisticated

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_04]: But minions you can't really quote cause there's

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_04]: What? Banana!

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_04]: That's I think

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_08]: I just wanna give you the

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Top 5 films

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_08]: When Signs is opening weekend

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Just to give you a sense of 2002

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Can I try to guess? You're not gonna guess

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_08]: I wanna see if I can. Alright well number 1 is Signs

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_08]: It opened to 60 mil

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Great, great powerhouse opening weekend

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Which I adjusted for inflation last night would be

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_04]: 90 mil today. Good job

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Huge for an original film

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_04]: For an original film. Humongous! Right?

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And Gibson is top of the world, I'm sure we're gonna talk about Gibson a lot, but Gibson is top of the world at the time of this release.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Are there things to say about Mel Gibson?

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_04]: 2000, which was two years earlier than this film.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I believe he had 400 million dollar grocers in one year.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I was just gonna say he must account for at least a third of the grocers in this film.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Just him being in it.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_08]: No, he only had two.

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_04]: He had three if you include Chicken Run.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I include the fuck out of Chicken Run, David.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_04]: He's Rocky, the flying rooster!

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I know, I get you.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Above the title, they pushed him hard.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe the best performance of his career.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely not.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Chicken Run, though.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a good movie.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Chicken Run Doll.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Chicken Run, the Patriot, What Women Want.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_08]: And then in 02 he had Signs and he had We Were Soldiers.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I do? No.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought you did.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_04]: You guys drink a lot?

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_08]: You're not a What Women Want fan.

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm aware that it exists.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Who likes What Women Want?

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Nancy Meyer.

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a creepy movie.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_08]: It's very creepy.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Can I ask you a question?

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_08]: What if Mel Gibson could read minds? That's not like women's minds.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_08]: No.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Dana, you can ask any question you want.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_03]: What is the M for an M Night Shyamalan?

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Minaj.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Minaj.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Minaj Atua Radio every Wednesday.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_04]: His first name is M-A-N-O-J.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_01]: That's how we spell it too.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Minaj Atua.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_07]: Have you had Shyamalan on your podcast yet?

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_07]: We have.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_04]: He seems like he'd be very open about his sexuality.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_04]: That guy seems very comfortable.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_04]: There's always a twist to him.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_04]: In his dick, he's got a kinky dick.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's the twist.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_06]: He literally has a kink in it.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_06]: It's like one of those duck dicks.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a corkscrew fan.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_04]: One of them duck dicks.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Hi, wife.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Duck dicks.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I'm going to guess top five 2002.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Number one, signs.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Number two, awesome powers in gold memory.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Number three, my Big Fat Creek wedding.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_04]: It's number nine.

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_04]: It's number nine?

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_04]: At this point, yeah.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh wow.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so let me see.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_08]: It's going to come back, I think, because it only has 40 in the bank.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_08]: And I think it made like $300 million.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_08]: It only has 40 in the bank at that point?

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so it's going to just keep rolling on.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Because this is what I know.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_08]: The Windex and the...

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I looked ahead.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_08]: 2002, guys.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_08]: What a year.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Triple X comes out the next weekend.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_04]: It's number one for two weeks, and then signs comes back and is number one for the following three weeks.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Which doesn't happen that often.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_04]: You lose one, you come back.

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_04]: That's crazy, actually.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_04]: You're not going to get number three.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Stuart Little Two?

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_08]: No, that's number six.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_08]: You're doing pretty well getting like the general.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm in the ten.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, 2002.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_08]: You're not going to get it.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Blue Crush comes out the next weekend.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Fuck.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Men in Black Two?

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_08]: No, that's number seven.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm pretty good getting things in the ten.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I give up.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_08]: You know the Summer of 02.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_08]: The Master of Disguise with Dana Carvey.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_08]: You remember that movie?

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_08]: He played a turtle man.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Certainly do, but I never knew it was in the top box office.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Opened at number three, 12 mil.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Not a bad number, actually.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_08]: I think it might have...

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_08]: It did.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_08]: I think it ended up at 13 million.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_06]: What a fucking talented dude to make that movie.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I know.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And that was a passion project for him.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_08]: At number four, which is why I wanted to do this, is Martin Lawrence's live comedy film Run Tell That.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Run Tell That?

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_08]: So it was a weird time for you guys.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_08]: I want to get that one.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_08]: And what's number five?

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Road to Perdition.

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Classic summer movie.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Mobsters, rain.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Darkness.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Murdered, wife murder, child murder.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_08]: The kids just...

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_08]: The kids got another couple of weeks before they got to go back to school.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's get this out in July!

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_04]: We need people to see this in July!

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you remember how overwhelming the merchandising blitz was for Road to Perdition?

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, the tie-ins were out of control.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I remember I was at summer camp and every kid...

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Get your life-size trench coats.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_04]: You Tommy Guns.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_04]: You go to Burger King, they of course had the Burger King tie-in.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And at Burger King, instead of like the paper crown, they had paper fedoras.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Every kid had a paper fedora.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_08]: And it was one of those weird things...

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_08]: And they had a murder camera for the Jude Laws character.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_08]: It squirted water.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Those plush Paul Newman's that were going around in the Happy Meals.

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Wrinkled face.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Authentic wrinkled face.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_04]: It's nice to cuddle with wrinkles, you know?

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_04]: It adds some sort of kick to your playtime, to your snuggle time.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so Signs opens, huge.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Big hit.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Plays big at the summer.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_04]: It ends up 240, 238, something like that.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Wow, Griffin, you're really good.

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_08]: 227, 400 mil worldwide.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_04]: A just-for-implation I looked last night would have been 340 today.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Great job, Signs.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_06]: What's the...just out of curiosity, what's the formula for...

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_06]: ...for the inflation?

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_06]: You seem to have it right at the tip of your...

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I checked it last night.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Box Office Mojo has a little thing you can use.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And what they do is they adjust it by what the average ticket price was then and what it is now.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what they do.

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's not an exact science because it's an average.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_04]: But it would make something like 340 million dollars.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_04]: A huge, monstrous hit.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_04]: The second biggest moment in his career still.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think at the time its release was one of the top 20 movies.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe release a bullet point.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't answer those questions for you.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_04]: But Time Magazine puts him on the cover, we've referenced this cover before.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Have you guys seen this cover?

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_04]: The next Spielberg they say.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_04]: The next Spielberg.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's got one hand on his hip and the other hand is pushing aside.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's wearing...

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_06]: At this point Spielberg is still making motion pictures.

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Still making movies.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, he just made like Minority Report, you know, he was...

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Catch Me If You Can.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_04]: He has two films in one year.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Box A.

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_06]: And he's in the crops, he's knee deep in the crops.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_08]: He's wearing like a ropey necklace, sort of like a baseball player necklace.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it looks a little less...

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_08]: It wasn't Time Magazine, it was Newsweek.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_04]: It looks a little less like a Newsweek cover and a little more like a billabong.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say he looks like a mall rat to me.

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, right.

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Hanging out in like Quicksilver.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_06]: It's that crossover from the 90s to the early 2000s where the fashion was still kind of stuck in some sort of mid...

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Is there a jungle behind him too?

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_06]: No, that's the cornfields.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I see.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_04]: No, Minaj was really... he was trying to get like a sponsorship deal with Life Is Good at the time.

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Anyway, yeah.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Good job, Minaj.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Cover a Newsweek.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I think this movie...

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Or Time.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_08]: No, it was Newsweek, you were right.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_08]: You were wrong.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I remember after...

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Griffin was wrong.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I was wrong.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I remember I was a huge M. Night fan.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I loved White Awake, I loved Six Sons, I loved Unbreakable, right?

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Sure.

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And Unbreakable, you know, was seen as a disappointment.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I felt like the bloom was off the roads.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like maybe this guy is not going to hit every time.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe his name doesn't have that much box office value anymore, you know?

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Just like Spielberg.

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly right.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_04]: The bloom was off the roads of that guy.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_04]: The bloom was off the roads of that guy.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's why they said he was the next Spielberg.

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_04]: They meant the next guy to direct 1941.

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_04]: But this week came out and did a huge business opening weekend.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, the trailers were very vague.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_04]: It was a very basic premise.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Farm, Crop Circle Show Up isn't an alien invasion movie.

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, the posters just crop circles.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Mel Gibson's face wasn't even on it?

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_08]: No, you got his name, but it's just, whoa, what if there were crop circles, guys?

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And we got Mel, and Mel in a certain way, this is maybe the height of Mel's box office powers.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he's been a huge star for like 15 years at this point.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I think this might have been his biggest film as a leading actor,

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_04]: and this is also the last film he makes before he takes an eight year retirement.

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, this is the last film he makes, I think, before he goes off to do Passion of the Christ.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And then he does Apocalypto, and he doesn't appear in movies again.

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_04]: But that's also when he starts running his mouth.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_06]: This is where that Vatican II came back hard for Mel.

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think he headlines another film until 2009?

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Are you mean Edge of Darkness?

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I think that was 2009.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_08]: That's correct, 2010.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_04]: So he takes an eight year break.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, directs two movies, one of which is Humongous.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And one of which is really good.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but he kind of goes out on top. Apocalypto's a rad movie.

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Apocalypto's so good.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_04]: It's too bad there's no way I've made my anti-Semite.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Religious agenda.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Weirdly, yeah, it's kind of an interesting...

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's a former priest in this movie, or minister or whatever.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_03]: He plays a man who's lost the faith.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Right, and I think Mel Gibson's life, he's from Australia...

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_08]: That explains it all.

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_08]: And that's it.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_08]: No, no, you know, I think he was raised religiously.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_08]: His dad, I think, is crazy.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_08]: That was kind of a lunatic, yeah.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, big fan of white people, not so much other people.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Not so much anyone else.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Not the Aborigines?

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, nope.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_08]: No.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_08]: But this is the thing, it's like, at this point I feel like Mel Gibson, he's the guy

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_08]: who made Braveheart and shit, but he's also like, he's the prankster.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Remember that used to be, he's like, he smokes cigars, and oh, don't you...

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_08]: He's always making pranks.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_08]: The Wile Eazi.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, right.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, it's kind of interesting because...

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_08]: And then he was slipping into being like, I think that gay sex is wrong.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_08]: And he starts saying stuff like...

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_01]: He's still holding a cigar though.

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Right?

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Right?

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Wait a minute.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_04]: What's interesting, Lethal Weapon is the thing that really puts him over the edge.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_04]: What a performance though.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I was going to say, that's his best performance.

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_06]: That's his fucking best performance.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_08]: And also The Year of Living Dangerously, he's made so many good movies.

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_04]: But this is what I was going to say, he's made a lot of great films.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the interesting thing for me about film history is that your legacy, I feel

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_04]: like as a movie star, is more determined by whether or not you were lucky enough

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_04]: to appear in good films and the quality of your work.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, there are a ton of mediocre actors who will always be on that painted mural

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_04]: at the AMC theater because they were in three movies that will be watched forever.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Whereas I was listening to...

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Mickey Rourke was on Alec Baldwin's podcast, which I perversely love.

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, those two.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Alec Baldwin's podcast is great if you want to hear Alec Baldwin tell every guest

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_04]: he has on that he was the first choice for whatever job they had.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And not just when it's actors.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, he had like Matt Lauer on the show and he was like,

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Matt, I don't think I told you this.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I was the first choice for today's show.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_04]: They called me up and they said, Alec, we need you to.

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, everything is just...

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Yikes.

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I turned it down.

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a great podcast.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I love it.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_03]: That reminds me, I know this isn't a sports podcast, but we were just talking

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_03]: about this.

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_04]: It's very much not a sports podcast, but it continues.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_03]: But like, how good of an athlete you are to how many championships you have.

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, how many rings you've got.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not necessarily individual ability.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Same with a big movie.

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's the exact same thing.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I was listening to Alec Baldwin's Mickey Rourke episode and he was talking about

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_04]: how Mickey Rourke, the whole arc of Mickey Rourke, that he was like the great

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_04]: American leading man and then he self-destructed, destroyed himself, came back

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_04]: with a wrestler and then immediately wasted it all to do fucking direct-to-video

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_04]: tax shelter action films where he plays the mentor in one scene and gets

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_04]: $7 million probably of illegal money, of blood money.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_04]: But I was listening to Baldwin go through all the great Mickey Rourke performances

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_04]: and it was like, oh yeah, but none of these movies have really stuck around.

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, oh, Mickey Rourke in the 80s.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Barfly.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, they were like, he was the most exciting leading man.

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_04]: You're the dragon.

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And what was the other one?

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Johnny Handsome.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_08]: But you're saying Gibson, he was in the right movies.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_04]: He's got Mad Max, he's got Lethal Weapon, two huge franchises.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_04]: He's got Braveheart so he directs, wins Best Picture, wins Best Director,

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_04]: signs he's in a huge M. Night Shyamalan movie that whether or not it's a huge

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_04]: classic in its own right, M. Night is an important enough part of film history

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_04]: that film will always be remembered and watched.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And Chicken Run, obviously, Chicken Run, which is the best performance

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_04]: of the best film he was ever in.

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_08]: I just want to tell you one of the things, he's had so many bad things.

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_08]: I've just been scrolling through his Wikipedia page and all the many bad things

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_08]: he's said over his career.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And before you say this, I just want to go on record as saying this is a

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_04]: pro Mel Gibson podcast and we endorse everything he has ever said.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_04]: But now please, David, read this quote.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_08]: This is my favorite one.

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_08]: In a 90s, I mean obviously we know he's been very anti-Semitic.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_08]: He's been racist, he's been abusive towards his girlfriend.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_08]: He's been anti, he's been homophobic.

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but on the other hand, he smokes cigars, David.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_08]: He does smoke cigars and he's a bit of a prankster.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_08]: He's a likely one.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_08]: In July 1995, 95, so this is like Braveheart year.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Interview with Playboy.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Gibson said Bill Clinton was a quote low-level opportunist and that someone

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_08]: was quote telling him what to do.

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_08]: He said the Rhodes Scholarship was established for young men and women to

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_08]: strive for a quote new world order and it was a campaign for Marxism.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So he's doing like a lizard people thing.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_06]: He's already slipping into full on insanity.

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I love how witty that is because people think of him as going crazy in his later years.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_03]: He's always been a little nuts, I think.

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And he was raised, you know, I think, a little nuts.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I'd like to throw out a little theory right now.

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe Mel Gibson didn't lose his marbles.

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_04]: The internet just didn't really exist until the 2000s.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, no one was recording his rants.

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe these quotes didn't circulate.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_04]: He didn't have to talk as much if he did a Playboy magazine.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_04]: There was no internet.

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_04]: You jerk off, you read the Playboy interview on the toilet once,

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_04]: you throw it out.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_06]: You skim through it.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_06]: You're like oh there's the cigar smoking.

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Marxism.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Lethal weapons.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_04]: You might not even read the whole thing because a couple pages might be stuck together.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_06]: You can't even get to the whole interview.

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Because of jizz.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Because of jism, I say.

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Teenage jism.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_04]: But I was going to say what I think is interesting, the weirdest guy,

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_04]: what I think is interesting about Mel Gibson is Mad Max big cult franchise.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_08]: And a lot of good Australian like Gallipoli.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Peter Weir.

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Peter Weir movies.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_04]: You're living dangerously.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And then Lethal Weapons The Breakout.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_04]: It's his franchise.

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_04]: It's an action movie.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Overnight, huge star.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_04]: They make four of them and he becomes one of the guys.

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And a huge action star and a heartthrob and all of that.

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah and he's in like, let's see you know, some you know, Tequila Sunrise.

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Bird on a Wine.

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Air America.

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Bird on a Wine.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_08]: And you know, and Hamlet, remember his Hamlet?

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah conspiracy theory.

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Forever Young.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah the man with no face.

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Maverick.

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Which is fun.

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Maverick was a fun man.

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Fun shit.

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Maverick though.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Jimmy Garner and Jodie Foster was fun in there.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Jodie Foster was fun in there.

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_03]: She and Jodie are close.

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_03]: They love each other.

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_08]: They're still pals.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_06]: They're like because he was in The Beaver.

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_06]: That chemistry was palpable in Maverick.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_08]: And then yeah, and then he makes Braveheart.

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_08]: He wins Oscars.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_08]: And then makes a shit ton of money.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_08]: He makes Ransom which is a huge hit.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh give me back my son.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Give me back my son.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_08]: He makes Conspiracy Theory which is you know fun.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_06]: It should have been better than it was because I wanted to like it.

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Fun 90's movie.

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Like in retrospect very fun in 90's.

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_08]: He makes Payback which is a little grim and gross.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_08]: And then he's got Your Chicken Run, Your Patriot, Your What Women Want, Your We

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Were Soldiers these sort of stirring action movies.

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_04]: So he doesn't make a film in 2001.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_04]: He makes three in 2000.

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_08]: No, he makes The Million Dollar Hotel which we're not going to talk about.

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Of the newer NAMM movies I thought We Were Soldiers I thought was one of those better

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_06]: of the newer NAMM's.

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I've never seen that one.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_08]: I've never seen We Were Soldiers.

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_06]: It's actually it's about the first original boots on the ground kind of thing.

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_08]: I remember Sam Elliott in the trailer saying Custer was a pussy.

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Remember that?

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_08]: That's a great line.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Well We Were Soldiers is our Murph Pick of the Week.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Hey!

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_08]: We Were Soldiers.

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_08]: I watched the making of documentaries I was telling you guys off mic.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_08]: And apparently he was about he had made We Were Soldiers right when he came to sign.

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_08]: So he was in this We Were Soldiers mode Shyamalan says and he was like showing it

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_08]: around like the White House into like you know USO shows or whatever.

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_08]: So he was in like Patriot mode.

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_08]: And I think Shyamalan was obviously very intimidated by Mel Gibson like before

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_08]: the movie started.

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Because you know he'd been making movies with Bruce Willis.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_04]: It seemed like that was his guy.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_04]: He was on to go.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_08]: But here he's going in a new direction.

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I heard I don't know if I'm misremembering this but I believe this is correct.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And I wrote the part for Clint Eastwood originally.

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_04]: That would have been good.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_04]: He's a little old.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's why.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_04]: It was already hard to believe that they were brothers.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Because he was like 95 years apart.

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_04]: He's 19 years older.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah it's crazy.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's why they didn't cast Clint Eastwood.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_04]: But in his mind he was like that's the American archetype the stoic.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_08]: How's Clint Eastwood going to have an Abigail Breslin sized daughter?

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's why.

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Get off my lawn to the aliens.

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_08]: That would be good.

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Get off my corn.

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Crops.

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Get off my corn.

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's why he wasn't cast.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Sure.

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Gibson also strikes me as like he's kind of A-list star who if you can get him you're going to at this point in time do it.

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_04]: One of those great all American Australians.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_04]: It's true.

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_04]: He's technically American.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I think so.

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_04]: He was born in like upstate New York and then moved to Australia when he was like.

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_04]: So he could be president.

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_04]: He could be president.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay I just want to make it very clear.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Mervin Diane did not just high five.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_04]: They each took out two fingers and then just smack the two fingers together.

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what we do.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Cool.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_04]: It was like they were doing the Hunger Games salute.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_04]: It was.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_04]: With fours but it made no sound.

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's really interesting to hear about all the box office stuff in the lead up because I was never aware of signs and didn't really even know it existed except for very abstractly until I was asked to be on this podcast.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_03]: You had not seen it.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And last night I watched it.

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_03]: So hearing how this is interesting.

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Have you seen other Shamone movies?

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Like have you seen The Sixth Sense?

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Sure.

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And only in theaters.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Wow.

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_08]: And then after that he just he left you know you and he parted ways.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Honestly I was stoned at a party once and the happening was on and people were just falling out of windows or the sky or something.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_03]: That sounds bad.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_03]: We were just laughing.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Because that movie was such a joke.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_03]: People were so horrified though.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think I just had this vague idea that M. Night Shyamalan just kind of fell off but I didn't I had no actual evidence of that.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_08]: This is his last movie where he is like it hasn't been shattered yet.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Like the bubble is still pretty solid around him.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah I think so.

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_08]: We can say sure Unbreakable was a little bit of a dip for him or whatever.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_08]: But time has been kind.

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I almost knocked over a mic.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_08]: But like and this movie was a huge hit and he was still just like seen as like oh yeah the master of suspense.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Now what this movie doesn't really have is a twist.

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what though?

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it would because of Sixth Sense the whole time we were watching it last night.

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_03]: People were going in I think.

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_03]: He's dead.

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_03]: He's not alive.

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_08]: He's an alien.

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Everyone is dead.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_08]: I said it was a video game like five times.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Well it's a little video gamey at the end there.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Well good to that.

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I also thought there was going to be a twist.

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I just want to remember what the Mel Gibson point I was trying to build up to.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I saw this movie with a girl.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey congratulations.

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_08]: I was 16 years old.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I saw this movie with a lady too.

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Any Didlin?

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Her name was Antonia Doe and she was my mommy.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh boy.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_04]: No Didlin.

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Twist.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_04]: That was the twist.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_04]: That was the twist.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Mel Gibson point I was building up to that I forgot to say.

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_04]: The thing I find interesting about his career is lethal weapon for lack of a better term weaponizes the sort of repressed insanity with him as a man.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a guy who's suicidal.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And the whole point of that movie, the hook to lethal weapon is like the one guy might be crazy.

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Got nothing to lose.

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And then other than that most Mel Gibson movie star movies don't let him be kind of unhinged.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Like Mad Max was mad.

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Lethal weapon he was crazy.

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And then he starts to like over the years become a little more and more stoic and signs he is very stoic.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_04]: What they're asking him to do is be like a rock.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Which is not quite in his wheelhouse.

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_06]: I'd say the casting is interesting for this.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I thought he was terrible in this.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_03]: You thought he was terrible?

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_03]: It felt like over acting to me.

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I saw this last night for the first time.

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Every look he gives is like this is a podcast.

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it feels like everything is overdone.

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_03]: That was like a great eye roll and facial contortion.

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_08]: He's got these like real wrinkledness for it and he's like you know really working them every time the camera is on his face.

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_08]: What were you going to say Griffin?

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_04]: No he does have like old leather purse face right now but it looks kind of great and dignified.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I was saying I mean this is what I'm finding difficult to decide okay.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I saw it at the time.

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought he was good in it.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Sure you weren't walking out being like Mel Gibson.

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Right but I think I said Mel Gibson.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Good job but I wasn't a particularly big Mel fan outside of Chicken Run so I think I like him more.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Griffin do you like Chicken Run?

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah I like Chicken Run.

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_04]: You're obsessed with it.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Well no we all it's a movie.

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I've never seen it.

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_04]: It's good.

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a good fucking movie.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I haven't seen it in years.

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I cannot recommend it enough.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_06]: It's better than Signs I'll say that.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_04]: No question.

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_03]: So you're leave and you feel fine about Mel.

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Good performance good enough.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I loved Bruce Willis after seeing him in the two Shamla movies.

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't really have much exposure to Bruce before that became converted after that got deep into his filmography.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Lethal Weapon before they came to these like quote unquote artsy films for them.

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It's true he dips into the 80s action.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll say this I walk out of Sixth Sense and Unbreakable and I go I got to find out what Bruce Willis is about dip into Die Hard right.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I walk out of Signs I don't think I saw Lethal Weapon until years after that.

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh really?

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't feel a need to go into his thing I went oh that's Rocky the Rooster he's obviously one of my best friends but he's okay in this right.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_08]: The first Lethal Weapon film I saw was Lethal Weapon 4 so I was already intimately acquainted with.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_08]: I saw that before the other three Lethal Weapons.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_08]: That's interesting.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Because I was just a huge Chris Rock fan.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Rock and Pesci off the rails.

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I was just like this cast is loaded gently Chris Rock we're going to see this.

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_04]: My favorite scene in Lethal Weapon 4 is when there's some conversation happening between Pesci Glover and Gibson and they're just talking about the case or whatever.

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And then Chris Rock walks by in the background hitting a cell phone and he's like man I can't get these cell phones to work.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And they're like really?

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And then he just does fucking Chris Rock's 4 minutes on cell phones.

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Well I mean I think that was when they were just like this Chris Rock guy is everywhere we've got to just get him in the movie.

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_08]: That was the excess of the 90s.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_08]: It was just kind of like hey.

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Well it was also back when comedians would make poor choices and their agents would be like it's a million bucks you're just going to do 10 minutes.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_08]: You're just going to go do 10 minutes on the set.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you remember how the Lethal Weapon 4 trailer ended?

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_04]: You mean him running around in his underwear?

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_04]: So there was only one trailer for Lethal Weapon 4.

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_04]: He had been running around in their underwear.

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Warner Brothers didn't have a big blockbuster that year it was 1998 for the summer so they rushed into production and they were like filming it until like a month before it came out.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_04]: So that's all they had?

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_04]: One set piece which they showed which was like Gibson convincing Glover to go out in his underwear.

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_04]: And at the end of the trailer after they like threw out all the names it was just a shot of Chris Rock direct addressing the camera and he just goes it's me Mel Gibson.

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I might look different but it's still me good old Mel Gibson.

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And I remember at the time being like is this movie that meta?

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah right and it's not.

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_04]: No it's not it was that they literally only had two minutes of footage at that point so they were like Chris say something.

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's get Chris to say your Mel and people will love it.

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_04]: In theaters July 17th.

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_06]: This is a photo I grabbed of the Lethal Weapon 3 pinball game.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Now the artist did some great work on Renee Russo and Mel and Glover.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_06]: But take a push in on Pesci.

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_06]: The artist either ran out of time they got a different diet and they have someone else do it or he's got an axe to grind because that's like Pesci's cousin with Down syndrome.

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh my god he looks like King Koopa from Super Mario Brothers or something.

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes that's a bad.

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Like a burn victim.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a bad portrayal of Pesci.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Anyway so that was our take on Lethal Weapon.

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_08]: It's Lethal Weapon 4's commercial and the pinball machine from Lethal Weapon 4.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Now Diana I find what you said about Mel Gibson's performance very interesting that he felt like he was over acting.

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I did as well.

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_04]: He's doing a lot of fucking eye work.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So much eye work.

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of eye bug and a lot of crazy eyebrows.

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_03]: But do you think that was that Mel was miscast or do you think that Shyamalan pushed Mel really far or do you think that Mel is just not that great of an actor and has been in great movies?

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_08]: I think Mel is a great actor but he's an over actor.

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_08]: He always has been.

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_06]: And in this kind of intimate setting where it's basically it's all chops because it's like it's Independence Day but from one family's perspective in a farmhouse.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Because we talked about this like Joaquim is in the same movie with the same director and you don't walk away being like what the hell was he doing?

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_03]: He's great.

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_06]: So is one of those Colkins and Breslin?

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_06]: The children had more to do.

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Abigail Breslin is phenomenal in this movie.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_08]: What is she four years old?

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_08]: I have to talk about that because we'll talk about it later but the making of scene has this great moment about Abigail Breslin.

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_04]: This is sort of the structure how you're doing these episodes.

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_04]: We talk about the performances then we get onto the movie.

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_04]: But Gibson I was watching it last night and going I feel like he's really bad in this.

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like he's pushing it too much.

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_04]: He's pulling like crazy faces.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_04]: What's going on here?

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Am I now viewing it through the prism of knowing everything we know about Mel Gibson looking for signs that he's losing it?

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Looking for signs.

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Looking for signs.

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Are there any crops or what's in those wrinkles?

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that I was though because that to me feels very far away like his rant and also I just had I felt very separate.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_03]: We like hit the vaporizer and just watched this movie.

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I felt like I was in a vacuum.

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't think like I went in wanting to hate Mel at all.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I actually wanted him to be more subtle and then that's why it kept bothering me that he was like I felt like he was just giving too much.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_08]: He's unsubtle but I.

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Every other actor in this film is on the exact same wavelength though which makes it kind of tough.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_06]: I was Mel apologizing a little bit after we watched.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_06]: The cop was amazing.

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm with Murph.

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_03]: All of her things she says are like mini monologues and the first one I thought was awkward because the movie is like purposely a little awkward and sterile.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I love her.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_04]: She's like a great theater actress.

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_04]: She plays Meryl Streep's role in Doubt.

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_04]: She won the Tony for that.

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_04]: She's won an Emmy for 24.

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_03]: The way she delivered the news about the wife.

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_03]: It was incredible.

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_03]: How do you even say that line was the most ridiculous line I've ever heard.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_03]: With the pins line?

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah she's alive when she shouldn't be.

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_08]: She kills that scene.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And you know what I would actually say that's the one scene I think Mel really kills because his weird like conflicting bottled emotions actually work well for that.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I agree.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's great.

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_04]: When he says the line.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_08]: I think the line this is the last conversation I'm going to have my wife is great.

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_08]: He delivers the shit out of her.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Because it is such a silly line but at the same time like you know.

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know there's a weird plausibility to the fact that he'd say like I get what you're saying.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_08]: I need to say it out loud.

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_08]: I agree.

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_08]: I think every other scene.

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_08]: I agree with Diana but still like them.

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Every other I don't think he's bad in it but every scene it feels like is he about to crack.

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Well that doesn't feel like that's what the movie's about.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Now this ties into this point.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_03]: If he had played it straighter I think that kind of like dry subtle humor that they have throughout would have hit so much.

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I think when he was winking to me like.

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_08]: The movie has this goofiness.

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_06]: That totally it's that throws it off a little bit.

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Especially the town scenes like when they go to town.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_08]: And Merritt Weaver a young Merritt Weaver is the drugstore employee who's like confessing to him.

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_08]: And Showalter as we said before.

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_06]: What the hell was Showalter.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I forgot he was fucking in that movie.

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_03]: The army dude was a David Lynch character.

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_04]: That guy was crazy.

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_04]: That was so out of place.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_04]: He's got that great line where he goes you should be somewhere getting your toes licked by a beautiful woman.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I wrote that down in my notes.

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_08]: It's crazy.

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Who is that guy.

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's find that man.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_04]: That guy's fifth build in the movie.

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Which makes sense because there aren't that many I mean you go Mel walk and then Jerry Jones.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_04]: The kids are real low.

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And then I think split.

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_08]: His name is Ted Sutton.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's then split card between Abigail Breslin and the wife and then he split with someone else.

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_04]: OK.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_03]: The wife was split in half.

[00:38:52] Hey.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_06]: The wife's lower quarters were played by someone else.

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I would like to award you seven comedy points.

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_04]: This movie is not a twist movie as you said.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_04]: You go into this film six cents very much a twist movie.

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Wide awake fucking twist movie unbreakable.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_04]: You know it's got an ending that surprising the whole structure of the film was sort of twisty.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_04]: This film is very straight down the middle.

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Twistless.

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes it is.

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_08]: And as you say it is it's kind of like a weird like Independence Day but on one farm like you know a lot of shit is clearly happening in the world in this movie.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_08]: But we're not seeing that.

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Very very small.

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_03]: More of a thriller.

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah it was definitely more.

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_06]: It was it was yeah Hitchcock and kind of even Spielberg.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Since he is the next Spielberg.

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Poltergeist in a lot of ways where the creepy moments are there but they they really slow burn it.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a family drama and a lot of this sort of like odd energy scenes where it's like what's going on here.

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_04]: But I do think I had not seen this since I saw when it came out in theaters.

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe opening weekend second weekend.

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And I remember the first time my viewing was OK where's the twist going to be.

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_04]: So you're looking at all these different elements you're looking at things like that Mel looks like he's a little unhinged you know.

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_04]: You're looking at things like the water glasses and the asthma.

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_04]: All these details he's calling attention to.

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_03]: The dog murder that no one cared about.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_03]: That seems literally no one ever spoke of it again.

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_06]: No it was just yeah I had to kill his dog and we're moving on all these little details.

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going OK so what's the what am I supposed to be keeping track of you know because like Sixth Sense became such a big thing after the time.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh if you see the color red that means there's a ghost.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like look at the visual language is like what's he setting up here.

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And then the twist is almost that there isn't a twist like he's sort of doing this meta commentary on like meh is he.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Well I don't think he is.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_03]: But you're right though they were like are there aliens.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Yep yeah yeah it's exactly like you think this might be a hoax and then like about like an hour and he's like definitely not.

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_08]: It's not a hoax.

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_06]: There's that world thing happening where you know the TV we hear a lot of and then there's the water.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Which I guess is that considered a twist some people said that was a twist.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Well if you're going to call something a twist I guess it's that they're vulnerable to water.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I remember watching it the first time and being a little annoyed and I don't think I was able to verbalize that this is what it was at the moment as a 13 year old or something.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_04]: You know I just had six pubes I couldn't formulate the thoughts.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow congrats.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_04]: You know pubes are where ideas come from.

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Half a dozen.

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_04]: But I remember feeling like where's this water thing going.

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Where's this water thing going.

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh the water thing is there so that they have water glasses that they can knock over to hit the alien.

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_04]: That feels a little convenient.

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Well but the whole point of the movie.

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Abigail was a genius and she knew to like fake her water issue.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_03]: But that was the rewatch this time.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_08]: The whole point of the movie is that God is present in this man's life.

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And when Mel is chanting holding his dead son before he comes back to life your lungs were closed.

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_03]: That's why you have asthma.

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like give us a little fucking credit.

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_08]: That's the problem with the movie.

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_06]: It gives us no credit.

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Well he's a bad writer I think we can say.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_06]: He's an amazing visual director.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_06]: I feel like his scripts are pretty dog dick.

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's another thing why I'm apologizing for Mel because it's hard with some of these fucking lines.

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't disagree with you.

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Please stop calling me father.

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't hear my children.

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's like terrible writing.

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of stuff like that.

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_08]: I think this movie and Unbreakable had a little of this and this has a lot of this.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Everything is serious.

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Which movie?

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Unbreakable.

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Everything is serious.

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Everything is delivered like a pitch down the middle right to the camera.

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_08]: But then sometimes it's like melancholy obvious.

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes Mel and Walker are like fucking dumb and dumber.

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Like they got these scenes where they're like let's run around scream and the whole scene is supposed to be like oh we're laughing at these goofballs being goofy.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I love when they run around the house.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_06]: I laughed at that.

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_04]: When he goes we're going to whoop your ass.

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah he's trying to tough talk.

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_08]: I like that scene where Joaquin piles all the bags to block the coal thing and then he puts the can on top.

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_04]: My point was that all these elements that you're looking at being like where's the twist what's this building up to are in fact just transparent like dramatic devices right.

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_04]: The bat on the wall like all these things and the point the movie is making is like oh this isn't a formulaic like super like crafted movie.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_04]: This is a movie about how some higher powers putting all the pieces in place so that everything can work out.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Someone's watching.

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_08]: I am night Shyamalan M. God.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah and if you're unaware of the theme just you don't even need to watch the movie just read the script the pages where he first has that conversation with Joaquin.

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah and it's very clear as to what all that is because he lays it out in a way that right.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Pretty good.

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Not only shows it to us which is the cool part in the visual story telling but he then feels like you know what in case you didn't pick up on it I'm just going to have Mel Gibson flat out.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_08]: You have those yeah those ping pong dialogue scenes that are really yeah just not natural.

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_08]: They're a manifest nothing in the movie is natural.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm okay with because at least nothing in the movie.

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_03]: More like storytelling and less like reality which I'm fine with but I still think a little subtlety goes a long way.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I thought I would hate this and I kind of liked it but every time especially towards the end.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I think we picked up someone else's turn that shit off.

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_03]: My god it's the aliens.

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_08]: The aliens because yeah there's the baby monitor scene.

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I was just going to say every time I wanted them to pull back like five percent he like laid on ten percent.

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And that just makes you like walk away being like nope.

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_06]: We talked about the one visual in particular earlier about the cross no longer being on the wall.

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_06]: How much mud M. Night Shyamalan had them sling at that to be like yeah we see.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_04]: To make sure there used to be a cross on the wall.

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Look at this one clean spot.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_06]: And I tried to be like oh man you know those farms in Pennsylvania they get a little dusty you know it might just be.

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah that was like sharp.

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_04]: It just drew an outline around it.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_08]: We should talk about like this is the fourth movie he's made now.

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Where about a person who's grappling with a crisis of faith.

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes. And like it's like just like wide awake it is a movie that's very specifically about someone who has lost their Christian faith.

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_08]: And then he's a Hindu man who grew up going to Catholic schools I think is very important.

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_08]: And at the end of this movie like his faith is rewarded like explicitly it's like God like exists and it has a hand in.

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_08]: And is a fan of yours yeah.

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Because actually you're one of the chosen.

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_04]: He's rooting for you and I am God M. Night Shyamalan.

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_04]: But like and in this movie in wide awake this movie is very wide awakey.

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Very. In wide awake it's this little boy.

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_08]: There's that scene where Mel is brushing his teeth and he's asleep.

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a scene.

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a wide awake reference.

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_08]: In wide awake the kid lost his grandpa.

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes. In this movie he lost his wife but he's blaming all like God is responsible or not.

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_08]: It's more like when he lost his wife he's like oh like you know there's no higher power here something that's terrible this bizarre to have happened like how could this you know how could there possibly be a divine presence in the world right.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Like that's the inciting incident for this whole movie.

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. And then at the end he's like yeah no it turns out I put the collar back on.

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_08]: You know what I don't get about it though.

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_03]: This is probably me like knowing nothing about religion but I feel like if you were that deep into your Christian faith that you were a minister that like your wife dying would be horrible but wouldn't make you question your faith because the only thing you preach all day long is like God has a plan and the good comes with the bad.

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think that's where he's.

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_03]: But if you still have two children you love and like I just I don't know to me like even though that's horrendous I'm like then what's the point.

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_06]: I almost think it makes it more of a more of a monumental break from the faith though if you are someone who was that.

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I believe there's a plan but if somebody dying though makes you question it you shouldn't be a minister because you're dealing with people who have that should happen every day.

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah this is so the pivotal scene in this movie in my opinion is the scene where he eats the mashed potatoes and he cries.

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes. Yeah. That is the best scene. I mean Diane is making a face right now where she's just like what is the matter with David right now.

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_08]: No that was that was a scene that but like right. That's the scene where it's like this whole movie it looks like he's about to just snap like snap.

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_08]: He's going to start killing people he's going to scream at his kids. Yeah and then he's like look we're going to fucking eat everyone's going to eat their favorite food right.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_08]: So I can't even remember one of them wants mashed potatoes and french toast.

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Wok wants spaghetti.

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Abigail Breslin wants spaghetti. Wok wants teriyaki chicken.

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Chicken teriyaki.

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Chicken teriyaki.

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_06]: He lives in Bucks County Pennsylvania.

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_08]: You're not going to get any good chicken teriyaki.

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_08]: And I can't remember does he want like a steak or something what does Gibson want.

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Cheeseburger with bacon extra bacon.

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Without going to the store though he just had all of that.

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah all the ingredients.

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_08]: He's prepared yeah the teriyaki is the one that's a real stretch.

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_08]: I can see spaghetti french toast potatoes sure fine.

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_04]: They do hard cut from everyone naming their order which I almost thought was a joke seen as like in The Sixth Sense when Tony Collette's like and then I won the lottery.

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_04]: The joke is like we can't eat anything so let's pretend what we would have in a perfect world.

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And then it cuts to like shot of teriyaki bottle on the counter.

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I wish there was a shot of Gibson making french toast.

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes a little montage even would have went a long way.

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_04]: But it cuts instead to a montage of the ingredients splayed on the table post cook.

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_08]: So anyway he's doing this insane thing.

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_08]: He's making them eat their favorite food to distract from the fact that aliens have been paid to be here.

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like the last meal reference though I think.

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_08]: I think that's sort of the idea right.

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_08]: And then he screams at Culkin is that he screams at his son.

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_08]: And his son basically is blaming him.

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_08]: He said I hate you.

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_08]: I hate you from the mother's death and then he like breaks down and he just drags them all into his center.

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_08]: See that's another joke that's another Shyamalan little winky joke.

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_08]: But before he breaks down he's like eating and crying.

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Which I'll say the making of I really am into this making of documentary that I watch.

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_08]: And Shyamalan says like it's really hard for someone when they're acting to eat and cry.

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_08]: And I didn't realize that when I wrote the script.

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_08]: It's two different things that you have to do.

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_08]: So he was very impressed with Gibson for getting that down.

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_08]: He eats and cries.

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like a lot of people do that all the time though.

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Eat and cry? I feel like if I start crying like he's crying I'm like alright let's I'll get to this food in one second.

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Right yeah why would you actually continue to shovel bites into your mouth.

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_04]: My tears are the appetizer this is the main course all in due time.

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_08]: So that was where I was watching this movie and I was like yeah this movie's really goofy and it's like super unrealistic.

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_08]: And it's sort of like and then that scene really got me and I thought it was great.

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_08]: And I was like yeah this is what this movie this movie's about this emotional breakthrough that he has to make right.

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_08]: About his wife being dead.

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_08]: And then there's like a lot more movie and there's like an ending that's bad.

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Well let's go back to the beginning let's track this movie a little bit.

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Do we need to track it?

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I kind of yeah it won't take a lot of time because this movie is kind of like.

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_04]: It's very straightforward.

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_04]: But I know Diana has a lot of notes about the very beginning of the film.

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay the opening credits I thought were garbage.

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_04]: So you've worked let's just for our listeners Diana you've worked in graphic design.

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_04]: You've done book covers posters illustration.

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_04]: This is an expertise of yours.

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Right so I feel like they were trying to mimic the like telescope kind of thing but they came in so soft with a vignette that it looked like an old movie.

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_03]: The beginning of this felt like a romantic movie from like the 1940s.

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_03]: It was so unfitting.

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And they're so blue.

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Color scheme than the rest of the film.

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And there's the Sarah font which feels very old timey and classic and like romantic.

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So to me it was very it just was a bad match.

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_04]: The music's kind of Hitchcock.

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Well at first the letters are sort of fading on screen and then they start like going like smashing onto the screen later.

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Like it's like the music builds to more tension.

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And M. Night Shyamalan's film is like M. Night Shyamalan film and then when they get the credits it's like Mel Gibson Rory Culkin.

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Like they're like yelling them at you.

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It's true.

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_08]: So you didn't like those I agree with you also there's a powder blue background to them.

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_03]: That's just distracting it doesn't have to be great but if you're going so far genre why not match the genre.

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it pissed me off.

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Also the color palette of this movie is like the greens and browns.

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a very autumnal sort of American movie like yeah.

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Amber waves of green.

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Also the time period with which it was set was I would say early 90s does that feel right.

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_06]: When is this movie set?

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a fair question.

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But they have VHS, they have radios.

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_06]: The town that they're in is real old timey.

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_06]: I've been there it's probably 10 years behind.

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_06]: You're a Pennsylvanian right.

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_08]: We're getting Pennsylvanian guests I like that.

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was like 90s.

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Because it was pre internet.

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_03]: They're watching everything on the news.

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Well Michael Showalter so it must have been that character must have been he just got off the state.

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_04]: He's playing Michael Showalter in the film.

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_04]: He started playing Showalter.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_04]: The character's name is Michael Showalter.

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Go get a fucking failed CBS special.

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_08]: His name is actually Lionel Pritchard.

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Well he's the guy that they keep on saying I think it's Lionel Pritchard and his boys.

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes they think he's the one.

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't put that together.

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_08]: So he's playing like the bad boy.

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_08]: He's playing like the sort of rough element.

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_08]: You also got the strikeout record.

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I also wrote down Bad Children of the Corn.

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_03]: But that was in like the first 10 minutes.

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Well that's when the kids have gone missing in the corn field.

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Another thing that really bothered me is there was a path in the corn but instead of using the path they kept just running through the corn.

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_04]: They run fast.

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I want to say something I really like about this movie.

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_04]: It just gets straight to the point.

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_08]: It does.

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_08]: What I like about the movie is he wakes up and he's like something fucked up has happened.

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_08]: That's like the first scene in the movie.

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_04]: There's no dialogue for the first four minutes.

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_04]: He wakes up, he goes, he sees the kids.

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Then it cuts to Wok sitting up in bed.

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Wokamole.

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's like looking and he's freaked out too.

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Then they both run out.

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_04]: He's living in sort of the bar next door.

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Mel Gibson runs out of the house.

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_04]: They meet in the lawn.

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_04]: They're looking, they're like where are the kids?

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_04]: What's going on?

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_04]: They run out to the fields.

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Directly through the corn.

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_04]: But the opening of the movie is just like they feel it in their bones something's weird.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_08]: And it's Culkin has to be like check it out buddy.

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh yeah.

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Look over here.

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Because they're both out there right?

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what it is.

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_04]: They look in the rooms the kids aren't there.

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Which is another creepy children in the corn kind of thing where the two kids are just silently staring.

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And they were like trance like.

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_03]: They were like there's something in my bed I need water.

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Like it felt like they were under sort of spell.

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_04]: So that's like a minute four or five and then Sherry Jones comes in and the next scene is like how did this happen?

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's just the two of them trying to figure it out.

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_08]: And they're like oh is it the bad boy?

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Is it Lionel?

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah is that Showalter kid?

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Did he do a type five?

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll tell you I mean I was so I still am but was so obsessed with What Hot American Summer at the time that this film came out.

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_04]: It was like so my like secret movie because I had to like show it to friends because no one had heard of it.

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_04]: That I was so thrilled when Michael Showalter came on screen that I think I probably had a tough time paying attention to the rest of the movie.

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah it was jarring to me this time around when I saw it.

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_06]: It's crazy that he's in it.

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_07]: He's pretty good.

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh yeah.

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean but he's silly.

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Joes that scene where Joaquin kind of flexes at him and Showalter is like you know.

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_08]: We all just flinched.

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_04]: It is weird because he didn't really do any dramatic acting other than this.

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Like it's not like he was one of those guys where it's like oh before he was a comedian he showed up in a lot of movies playing like you know.

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh it's like Margaret Cho in Face Off.

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_04]: You know it's not like that.

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah Margaret Cho in Face Off.

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Great performance.

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_04]: But it is like you watch him in this and you're like this is a total one off of him being in a movie like this.

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_08]: It's true I can't find many other examples.

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_08]: But he's like he grew his like.

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Did he ever even do like a law and order earlier in his career.

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Well he was in Of Sex In The City.

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh right.

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_08]: He's in Kissing Jessica Stein but that's.

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah that's a small part too.

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's a comedy.

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Let it not be unsaid very handsome in this film.

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Handsome dude.

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Handsome guy.

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_03]: He just looks goofy to me but I think it's because I just saw this last night for the first time.

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm just sitting there thinking like comedian.

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_03]: When he popped on screen I was like what the.

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_04]: He's also he's no Murph Meier.

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean let's call it.

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Who is.

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_04]: There's only one.

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_03]: No he has like that big hair and it's the same scene with the insane army recruiter guy.

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes that was also hard to get your bearings in that scene.

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought the movie had just taken a total left hand turn at that point.

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_06]: You were stunned at the when that.

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_03]: The cadence with which that guy talked was insane.

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And that scene is bizarre.

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Your cross cutting between that scene and Merritt Weaver having the emotional breakdown at the pharmacy.

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Three really high jinxing not high jinxing.

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_04]: They are.

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Culkin in the bookstore and the guys like so bad.

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_04]: It's all about soda.

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_04]: That character are very like that was real and heightened.

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_03]: The one where he goes 13 and she has.

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So.

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I was laughing.

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It was actually a crazy conspiracy.

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_06]: I wish they pushed further in that direction.

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_06]: That could have been that's the twist.

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_03]: That was very funny.

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_08]: One thing that's weird is that Rory Culkin checks out a book about aliens and that the book seems to contain all knowledge of what the actual alien invasion is.

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_06]: I said I was like now OK so aliens everyone agrees this is a real thing this is happening.

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure.

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Now every quack who wrote a fucking alien book is now just.

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_08]: And he's right.

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_08]: He's basically like aliens could be peaceful or they could be hostile.

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Well let's just say in the time between the scene where Cherry Jones comes and is like.

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_04]: They're not broken.

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_04]: No machine could do this and the stuff we're talking about where they go into town and they have their three silly side adventures.

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Essentially what happens in the 30 to 25 minutes in between is just the kids are like think something weird is going on here and Mel tries to rationalize.

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah and he's like don't watch TV don't listen to the radio.

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Watching it for the first time in theaters I was like I don't know what's going on.

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's not going to make it aliens.

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_04]: He never shoots that straight. It's going to be some wacky turn.

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Not a twist.

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_04]: He's going to go in an unexpected direction.

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's like he's going to be like what's going on.

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_04]: What is it.

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Watching it again now I was really bored through this section before they go back into town.

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_04]: A little bit.

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Except that they're aliens Mel.

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Like Mel and Walker just like no it has to be something else.

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_04]: That's like well fucking blue leg.

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_04]: You saw the blue leg.

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_04]: You were in a cornfield and like it was a lady in a fucking like old Looney Tunes cartoon trying to get a guy pick up on the side of the road.

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like one leg sticking out like a nice game.

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Nice little game.

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_04]: We were around that.

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_06]: We had a 10 minute conversation about that game.

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_03]: But it was very human looking which was my issue.

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_06]: But they just blew.

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_06]: The foot is like a web situation.

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah but Murph was like that.

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't like a tentacle.

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_06]: No no no it was human enough to turn you on.

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_06]: But then when you actually get into it.

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Amazing form like really strong muscle definition.

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Like a runner.

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_03]: It was like a runner's leg painted turquoise.

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah it was like incredible.

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Two things why does the lady know exactly where that book is in the bookshelf store.

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_03]: She's like third shelf second book.

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_08]: That's movie logic for her.

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_08]: That's a guy hailing a cab when he gets out of a bank.

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_03]: But that was very I felt like that was a joke.

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_03]: She also has a huge bookstore and she like knows the exact quadrants.

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Then I want to remind town small towns they go do you have any books on aliens.

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_04]: And the guys like no.

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_04]: And then she's like wait there is that one book they shipped it to us by mistake but we never sent it back.

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And I know exactly where you don't need to justify having that book.

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I think there's something over there.

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Check in that section instead.

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Like it's the mythical faded book.

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_04]: But there's also in the book of course there's this fucking picture that they look at like they're going through all the different.

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_04]: That was creepy.

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_04]: The picture is exactly like their house.

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And then on the lawn outside are an adult man and two children on fire.

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Weren't they on fire.

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_04]: The people are dead the house is on fire.

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_01]: The second thing.

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Like it's like he doesn't have like a big reaction to it.

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And Abigail Breslin goes those are our windows.

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Like she notices the windows.

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry the second thing is when the cop is like talking about women in the Olympics for like an hour.

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Love it.

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_08]: That's yeah.

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Well Mel Gibson's like well no human could run this fast and she's like you know women Olympics they run that fast in the Olympics.

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_08]: He's like well he jumped.

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Long jump.

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Scandinavian I believe she calls that Scandinavian Olympic.

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like after a while Mel Gibson's like OK well barring an Olympic athlete.

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Like last line her like closer her button on the dialogue before they cut to a new scene is like just saying got to keep all possibilities open.

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Which makes you think like the movie's going to explain why it's not aliens and instead it's like it's going to be no it's just aliens.

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_04]: That section I found a little tedious to watch.

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a craft on display but it's like we know we.

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_04]: OK but then let's push through.

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_04]: That's something they go into town.

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_04]: They get the book.

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Lockheed Phoenix thinks about signing up for the military.

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_08]: The town is exposition time.

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Everybody gets some filled in stuff.

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_03]: You see Shyamalan scurry away.

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh right he makes eye contact.

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_08]: M. Night Shyamalan plays Ray Ready in this movie which is the person who fell asleep at the wheel and killed Mel Gibson's wife.

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_06]: This is one of the two things I think that keeps this movie from being an A in my book.

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_06]: I certainly do not disagree with you.

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_06]: He's not helping matters.

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_06]: He's fucking terrible and this is a meat.

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_06]: This is a role.

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_06]: It's a good role.

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Think about this.

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_06]: And this is the moment where you could see Gibson trying.

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Where they have their interaction finally where you're just like this character needs.

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_06]: This is not a throwaway.

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_06]: There's a lot of cameos you could have in this movie.

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_06]: This doesn't need to be one of them.

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a huge thing where Gibson goes to his house.

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_08]: And he gets a phone call.

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_04]: He goes father and he goes Ray and he hangs up and then he starts to think maybe Ray's responsible for these hijinks that have been happening around because he still thinks it's hooligans.

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah sure.

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Hooligans, crop circles.

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_08]: And yeah he goes to Ray's house.

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Ray's outside.

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a veterinarian which is weird too because they've already set up all the animals are turning on people so you expect that and then there's nothing about that.

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_04]: There are a lot of breadcrumbs in this movie that you think are going to like.

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_04]: No bread.

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_06]: No bread.

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Breadcrumbs to just an empty.

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Very well put.

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_04]: He goes to the house.

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Ray Reddy is sitting in his car.

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_04]: He's been attacked.

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_04]: He's got a small wound on his side.

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's like he got a far off look in his eye.

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And yeah and he's still he's just burdened with guilt.

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Now in Praying With Anger, M. Night Shyamalan's first film, M. Night plays a young man with an anger problem from Philadelphia who sent off to try to reconnect with his heritage in India and study there right.

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And they keep on going this kid's got a temper he's got a bad problem he used to get in fights.

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_04]: And he has the scene where he gives explanation of like it's not true there was just one time this guy was getting my face and I pushed him and he happened to fall down the stairs and he got really injured.

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's like a freak occurrence.

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I didn't mess him up that badly.

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Luck was so made the accident look worse than it was.

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_04]: And I feel like the speech he gives when Al Gibson where he's like saying like never fall asleep at the wheel.

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I think if it had been a second earlier I just would have hit a car like a tree.

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_04]: The only reason my life was saved was because she was walking by at that moment.

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_04]: It's sort of a weird inverse of that Praying With Anger speech where he's like robbing himself of any culpability and he's also saying like look at Destiny how it like.

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_08]: That's the thing it's a scene that's about like yeah you know all these things are weird and connected and like there is some.

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_03]: It should have been played by an actor.

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes that's the thing because it could be a dynamo scene.

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Just thinking about the table is set for the stakes emotionally of this moment where this man confronts and all this other shit's going on.

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_06]: The world's crumbling around him there's aliens now everything is fucking.

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_08]: So in the making up.

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_08]: M. Night says this is very important to him that he played this character.

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_08]: And he wanted to.

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Why come?

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_08]: All he really says is like it's just he really well he was really interested in like going further you know and doing more.

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_08]: As an actor?

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Acting you know I'm an A plus director A plus writer A plus producer.

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_08]: I gotta try acting and he says that in that scene when they were setting up the shot Mel Gibson was like oh you're in this?

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_08]: And Night was like yeah yeah I hope that's okay like he was like a little nervous.

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_08]: He also says a bunch of sad stuff about like his grandfather had just died so he was trying to like channel those emotions and stuff like you know.

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Well and good but somebody's gotta say no I mean this speaks to the blank check of your podcast.

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_08]: This is the thing no one can say no to this.

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_08]: But this arc of him using himself in films.

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_07]: But I just love the idea of Gibson being like oh you're in this you're this guy.

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_06]: It probably was like the line of logic too he's probably like oh that's weird though he's a pretty big name director he's standing in for the actor that's odd he's gonna stand in for him oh that's a good guy.

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Is he the same height as the guy or is he gonna fuck up the lighting?

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_04]: First film he is the lead right Praying with Anger he plays.

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Sure but that's explained away you know come on.

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_04]: But I'm just looking at the arc of this right okay it's your first film you have a little interesting acting you want to test it out it's cheaper you make yourself five jobs in one.

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_06]: You don't trust other people with your material I kind of know what the fuck this needs to be.

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_04]: It was very autobiographical all that makes sense.

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Wide Awake he is not in at all.

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Six Sense he has one solid scene where he plays a doctor.

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's perfectly fine.

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes that's the kind of director cameo if you want it that's the one you go for.

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_04]: He's mostly delivering exposition he's playing a guy who's straight business straight talk.

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Alright let's not go too deep into his doctor.

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay but I think he does good work.

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Unbreakable silent role.

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_04]: You said that in behind the scenes like you read some interview with him where he said that he regretted.

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_04]: It was an homage to his parents oh yeah and then he regretted.

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_04]: That he cast himself as a doctor because his parents were doctors and it was a reference to that but that he regretted casting himself in the film because he thought it was distracting.

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_04]: So then the next film smaller role okay unbreakable.

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Silent role.

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_04]: He sees the guy he goes excuse me sir he gives him a pat down he goes I was wrong right he thinks the guy has a gun.

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_04]: That's that's the scene right it's like half a second it's a nice little hat tip to us.

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Nighters.

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_04]: The Knights of Shyamalan.

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Right okay and then this film he's like you know what I think it's time to give myself.

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_04]: He's the sixth lead.

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes yeah and it's a family than Cherry Jones than him.

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Again why I want to apologize for Mel because here's a moment and it's every fucking thing is just about walking away from movie to movie I was in another movie about aliens but the moments that could have been there that could have been an interesting.

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_06]: We're like Mel what do you what have you got you're facing this guy I feel like Mel tried but what he looks he looks non plus he was still waiting for the actor to show up the whole time he's doing that.

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Character actor in that weird role would have just been would have been great.

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Michael show.

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Would have been really good at night be the tough be the tough guy the town bully rascal who everyone thinks is to blame for these crop circles but don't be the guy who.

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_04]: That is great that the film presents like the two crazy guys these hooligans well known like rebel rousers in town who might be causing trouble are Michael show Walter and night Shyamalan.

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah they're just like this this town is really rough.

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_04]: The bad boys of cinema.

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So they're eating at the diner and they look out and they see him like sheepishly get into his car.

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Right yeah.

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_03]: That was like the first hint of that guy.

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Then he gets the call so he like goes to Cherry Jones and is like what's up with Ray Radish I don't know goes to his house he's bloody.

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm an alien.

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Well then he's managed to get it in the locked in the cupboard.

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_04]: He goes whatever you do don't open the pantry don't open the pantry.

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like why are you telling him what to do why is he going into your house.

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Why would you assume he's just going yeah exactly.

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Gibson's like a cop.

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Mel does proceed to go in the house.

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah goes in the house pretends to be a cop one of the more effective.

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I think this is a great scene.

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And this is a great use of film language.

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_04]: It's all about he gets a big knife and he's trying to use the reflection of the knife under the door to see it.

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_04]: And so you're only seeing what he sees in the reflection and the cameras just covering it's really fucking well done.

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_08]: It's so good and and he does I like the comedy of where he's pretending to be a cop briefly and he's like making faces while he's like I'll get the paddy wagon.

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_08]: And he keeps on going and then walking away and coming back.

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_03]: After he says paddy wagon he mouths paddy wagon.

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a perfect instance of just how like a look would be better.

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I agree.

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Of him like rolling his eyes at himself.

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_04]: You know another moment I find supremely effective although at the time of seeing it I was like that's the scariest thing I've ever seen in a movie and watching it this time I was like that's good.

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Which is?

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_04]: The Mexican birthday party.

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I love that scene still.

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I do too but I used to cite that as the number one scariest scene in all of cinema.

[01:07:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Because I had seen seven movies at that point you know.

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_08]: But I think that scene is really cool because it's set up with like this footage is disturbing and so you're like oh is there going to be a dead kid.

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_08]: You know you're thinking the expectations are so high.

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_06]: It's also before a lot of those you know before Blair Witch yes.

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_06]: No it's after.

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_06]: But before that found footage wave came of all that shit.

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_04]: There haven't been many copycats because even Blair Witch 2 was not found footage and then found footage as a genre didn't really pick up again until Cloverfield.

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Cloverfield yeah.

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_06]: But it had that effect.

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's the thing I like about it a lot.

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_04]: It's building up all this tension you see the kids faces they're looking over the window they're all looking at something they're reacting to somebody are screaming.

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Spanish you don't know what they're saying right.

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Portuguese they presented it as being frightening.

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_04]: All the all this stuff is going on and then the kids go.

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And they run over a different direction the camera moves over and you're like what's going on what's going to go.

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Something scary going to happen.

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_04]: They're looking you see across the street and then the speed at which the alien walks by.

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah the obvious thing to do would be to have the alien run by really quickly.

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_04]: No but it just sidles by.

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_04]: It can also go really slowly and start creeping towards the camera it just walks by at a casual pace.

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Very casual.

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_04]: It's very blurry very out of focus and somehow the scariest of all reality.

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah well I think it was an important moment for me the first time seeing it because it's after that gam after we get a peek at that you're wondering would I lay down with these aliens.

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_06]: The first time you now know for certain I wouldn't fuck these aliens.

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_05]: They are.

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Because you see them in full body and I mean it's just not for me.

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_08]: They're kind of CGI blurs they're not like there's not a lot of definition to like.

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_04]: He tries to cut it both ways because on one hand he like made these aliens CGI the CGI don't think exactly where it was where they needed it.

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_04]: It's fucking bad.

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_04]: It's really fucking bad I even remember it being bad at the time it's not going to age poorly.

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Jar Jar Binks is better than this shit.

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_02]: That should have been a puppet.

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what we said that was the second thing that ruined this fucking movie for me.

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: It's so human-ish that they didn't need to be CGI.

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why they're not puppets.

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Most of the time he's showing them in shadows in silhouette.

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Even there's one clear shot right yes reflections.

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_08]: The TV reflection is a really good thing.

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_04]: It's so good but there's like the one clear shot where you see him staying there holding he could be she look at me being heteronormative over here.

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_04]: But there's this.

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_04]: The lifeless kind of body.

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_04]: The lifeless Kieran Culkin in his arms and that one shot you sort of get a full body.

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_04]: But other than that even after that reveal they keep on going back to you're seeing them through the window.

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_04]: You're seeing reflection.

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_04]: The aliens out of focus in the background.

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like well if you're not going to show it in that great detail especially now rewatching it like because the first time you're watching it you don't know if it's going to be aliens or not or whatever.

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_04]: But even when the first at the beginning of the movie when you see the alien up on the roof and it's in silhouette I'm like yes I can tell that's a computer silhouette.

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And why not just put a guy in it.

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_06]: It's like you're really good with your camera man like fucking you're a good visual director just get a practical thing up there to shoot.

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm sure you can light it well and I'm sure you can shoot it well.

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_04]: And if you even need to for one shot CGI up the fucking actor's face to make it look more alien or whatever.

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Here's why they didn't do it.

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Because it's camouflaged and because they have that scene where at the end where his skin is matching.

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Now I'm not saying this was a good decision but I think they were like well we have this one set piece where the alien is in full view and it needs to change color and shit.

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what I thought at the end was they had that great scene where they're like oh the ships are still here.

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_03]: They're just invisible now because the bird had died.

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_03]: So when I was only seeing him in reflections and never seeing it in I thought for a second it was invisible and they just saw the sun like levitated and they knew they haven't really left because they were like they left they left.

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like that's so slick if we can only see him vampire style like reverse.

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_03]: But then you just see him standing in the living room and it's like this terrible shitty CGI.

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_03]: He like sprays him he does a bunch of business.

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_06]: And then once again they need to they need to insult our intelligence or even just the attention span to go.

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_06]: I was insulted.

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_06]: They show the fingers cut and we're like yeah that's the same alien we get it.

[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh no wait now we got a flashback to showing him cut the fucking finger.

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_06]: And that was 20 minutes ago.

[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_06]: That wasn't even that long ago.

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't even think it mattered that it was the same alien.

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Make it a cool little thing where you'd be like oh if you notice the fingers and you go it's the same alien but yeah otherwise what's the.

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_03]: But to me what's scary is aliens taking over everything.

[01:11:53] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not that one that you met a couple days ago.

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_08]: I think he wants it to be like there's only one alien.

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_08]: This is so small.

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_04]: They say in the news report that the aliens had some sort of toxic gas that people in small towns have found some solution some way to fight them but they don't know what it is yet.

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_04]: The news is going hey apparently there's a really easy way that people with no means have found to kill the aliens we don't know what it is.

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_06]: They're going to come at eight o'clock.

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly and then they say it seems most of them have left although they have left behind some of their injured right on this planet.

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I think the idea is because this guy's missing two fingers but he can't give the shocker anymore they had to leave him on earth.

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_06]: They're running a tight ship up there.

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_04]: He's still going to stick two in the pink you need that one in the stink so badly come on.

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_04]: We I think you just did a sham on we got it when you said he can't do the shocker.

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going method.

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_08]: I wanted to say another wide away connection is that Joaquin Phoenix watches TV under the stairs just like in wide awake the kids under the stairs.

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Why does Joaquin Phoenix go into the TV.

[01:12:56] [SPEAKER_03]: To keep the kids from watching the news because it was upsetting.

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh of course right.

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a scene where Mel Gibson opens the closet and grabs his coat out like it's a normal closet and then later Joaquin puts his head out and you're like he's still in the closet guys.

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_08]: And I do like I do and the making of Shyamalan said like most of the you know because I think the reason the scene we were talking about the TV scene works is not just that it's really cool but then Joaquin like reacts like really strong goes way into the coat goes into the coats.

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_08]: And apparently he did lots of reactions and eventually Shyamalan was like go into the coats go all the way back and Joaquin was like really like you want me but it's good works it's good you would have that reaction it would be that freaky.

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you know Mark Ruffalo is supposed to play this part.

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Joaquin's great too though.

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Mark Ruffalo should have played all of these parts.

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Shyamalan's part.

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_04]: He had like a tumor and he sort of didn't do movies for like two years.

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_08]: This was right after he had been like in You Can Count Me and was like a new star and then yeah he vanished.

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_04]: He was about to be the guy disappeared for a couple years and he later revealed that he had he said at the time it was an ear infection but it was in fact a tumor and that's why he's got the sort of Stallone mouth right now because they severed some of the blood.

[01:14:06] [SPEAKER_04]: The muscles and part of his face removing it which I think has only made him more interesting as an actor.

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I love Ruffalo.

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_04]: He's great but Ruffalo is great he would be great in these parts he always is but I think Joaquin was actually really really good casting for this.

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I think the size his ability to be understated and to go big on certain moments like that.

[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Because he can be a good ham.

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Is the right pitch.

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And you know this is Joaquin's weird period like post Oscar nom post gladiator.

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_08]: But like it's when he's making like ladder 49 you know he's making these like kind of bad movies for no good reason.

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_04]: He's like a leading man but like of no distinction.

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_08]: But they don't know what to do with him.

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_08]: So it's before Walk the Line which I feel like Walk the Line cements him in his new status which is like this is like one of our premier actors right like and he does art movies.

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_08]: But before you know those like six years he was and he's in two Shyamalan movies.

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Ladder 49.

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_01]: What is ladder 49?

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_04]: With John Travolta.

[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Or as I like to call him John Travolta because he was the voice of Bolt in Disney's Bolt.

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow.

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Bolt.

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Stinks in here.

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah it's no chicken run I don't like it.

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I like Bolt.

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh come on.

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_04]: It's okay.

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_04]: David come on.

[01:15:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah but he's in Buffalo Soldiers he's in Hotel Rwanda.

[01:15:22] [SPEAKER_04]: He's got a weirdly small part in Hotel Rwanda.

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_04]: He's a cameraman in that right.

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah he's a voice in Brother Bear.

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_04]: He was the lead voice in Brother Bear David.

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway.

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_04]: He plays the titular bear who.

[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Sure is a brother to another bear.

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe his little brother is the titular bear.

[01:15:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway.

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_08]: So I think the denouement of this movie is pretty fun.

[01:15:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Right do we agree the suspense stuff.

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Are we still talking about signs?

[01:15:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean like we like the knife scene.

[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Agreed.

[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_08]: That's pretty cool.

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Also Shyamalan was making a stew before he left because there's like every kind of cut up vegetable and none of them have been eaten or used.

[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_03]: That is true.

[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_03]: He overstages things too though.

[01:16:06] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like a very visual it's pretty but it's weird sometimes.

[01:16:09] Yeah.

[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I like people going for it.

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_03]: No one eats that many vegetables.

[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_03]: No no no.

[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Living alone.

[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Well he was cooking for two that night I think.

[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_06]: I think he had a friend over and his friend just lashed out.

[01:16:20] [SPEAKER_06]: That's the other thing Gibson tries to talk through.

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_06]: This is what's interesting which is probably a bigger theme but I think so the aliens can't communicate with us.

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_06]: They could read our mind potentially.

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_08]: They click at us.

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_08]: They're like Africans.

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_08]: You see them like summon images out of people's brains.

[01:16:36] [SPEAKER_06]: But as far as what they know other than watching the news and Joaquin kind of went into a rabbit hole it seemed like he was up all night watching being like here's what they.

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_06]: But I feel like there's are we just to believe that that they're definitely here not as friends that they're here just to take over the planet.

[01:16:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:16:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Well they throw out conflicting thoughts on what it is if they're trying to take over our planet if they're trying to harvest the resources.

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah or the humans.

[01:16:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Do they want our place our home or do they want us as.

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_04]: The movie does not want to go into detail.

[01:17:05] [SPEAKER_03]: They kept saying harvest us but what does that mean like organs.

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_03]: They want to eat us they want to use us for batteries.

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_04]: They're just into protein goop.

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_04]: They're just into like Jupiter sending.

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I we got we got to talk about the kids a little bit because he's got to talk about the kids really fucking good.

[01:17:20] [SPEAKER_04]: They asked a lot of them and they delivered.

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Shamelin once again puts a lot on his kids he always has kid actors.

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_08]: You've got Rory Culkin.

[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_08]: The third Culkin.

[01:17:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Is he the third Culkin.

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah I think there's maybe an oldest one who doesn't.

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Well I mean you know it's probably Ben Kier and then Rory.

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes correct.

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Rory was great.

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_08]: And this is after he done You Can Count on Me which is wonderful.

[01:17:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes a great movie.

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_08]: And it is before he's done Mean Creek which is also wonderful.

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Can I tell a quick little side story.

[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I went to the same school as Rory Culkin but the year after he left and he was like a little guy who was pale and like movies I guess.

[01:18:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And so for my first six months of being there they just called me Rory.

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_04]: They were like your replacement Rory.

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And my one friend Jack used to be like man he even smells like Rory.

[01:18:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Which I thought was such a weird comment but he said it like multiple times over the course of that year.

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_04]: So I apparently smell like Rory Culkin.

[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if that's still the case.

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Smelled like yeah maybe I smell the same.

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_04]: He went and put on some fancy.

[01:18:23] [SPEAKER_08]: He had only been in Richie Rich where he played young Richie Rich.

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Very young Richie Rich.

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_08]: And then You Can Count on Me.

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_08]: I think he plays literally baby Richie Rich.

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_08]: I believe you.

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean it's 94.

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_08]: He was born in 1980.

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh so he was probably a toddler.

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_08]: I just know there's a baby at the game.

[01:18:41] [SPEAKER_08]: But anyway so he's great.

[01:18:43] [SPEAKER_08]: I think he's good.

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_08]: I think Abigail Brazlin is amazing.

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like hard.

[01:18:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And what she's for.

[01:18:49] [SPEAKER_08]: I think she's five.

[01:18:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Nuts.

[01:18:52] [SPEAKER_03]: That scene where he wants to record over her ballet.

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's just between them.

[01:18:56] [SPEAKER_08]: And she's like my ballet recital.

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_08]: She won't back down.

[01:19:01] [SPEAKER_08]: And Mel Gibson is like get another tape.

[01:19:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Go get another tape.

[01:19:05] [SPEAKER_06]: I like that you made the comment too that they kind of feel like there's parts of that movie where the two children are almost the adults.

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Where it seems like Gibson and Blackeen are just dumbfounded.

[01:19:14] [SPEAKER_08]: These two zombified parents who don't know what to do.

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_08]: And a common theme in Shamblin by the way.

[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Willis in Unbreakable and in Sixth Sense is this sort of zombie guy who's like walking through life.

[01:19:25] [SPEAKER_08]: And one of them.

[01:19:25] [SPEAKER_04]: These kids always seem to be more perceptive than the adults in Shaamalan movies.

[01:19:29] [SPEAKER_04]: They're always more aware of what's going on.

[01:19:31] [SPEAKER_03]: They're explaining the logic to everyone.

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_03]: They know what to do.

[01:19:35] [SPEAKER_04]: The kids in Shaamalan movies always feel tapped into some bigger thing.

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Whether it's literally like in Sixth Sense he's tapped into the ghost world.

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_04]: In Unbreakable the kid keeps on telling him like dad you're supposed to be a superhero.

[01:19:43] [SPEAKER_04]: You're supposed to be a superhero.

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's like no I'm not. No I'm not.

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And this the kids are talking about the alien thing.

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_04]: There's so much more focus on them in this than there was in Unbreakable.

[01:19:52] [SPEAKER_04]: You know where.

[01:19:55] [SPEAKER_04]: The alien thing is.

[01:19:55] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like a secondary character.

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_04]: But it kept on feeling to him or watching it being like these kids are so smart and there's something so eerie and haunted to them which I guess watching it now as a quote unquote grown up is like oh well their mom just died.

[01:20:07] [SPEAKER_04]: They're just kind of you know.

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Haunted right.

[01:20:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Their mom died pretty recently with a dad who's kind of a shell of a man.

[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Like they're they're haunted.

[01:20:14] [SPEAKER_03]: But I kept on Jesse moved in upstairs.

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Weirdo.

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I just want to hold that these two performances are so good because it makes you feel like there's something more to the kids.

[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_04]: You know you're like these kids are so fucking like electric.

[01:20:34] [SPEAKER_04]: There has to be some explanation for what's going on with them how they tie into this even at the end when they're like taking Karen Culkin's Rory Culkin's body.

[01:20:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like is he the key to something.

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. Is he the chosen one.

[01:20:47] [SPEAKER_04]: He's just a kid.

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_03]: You know you keep waiting for the scene I loved.

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry with the kids that was like a good long cut at the end of the scene was the one with the walkie talkie baby monitor in the car and they all it's when they're like having fun.

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Well the adults kind of get on board and get on top of the car and they all help and he tells her not to get up Abigail and she does anyway and then he helps Bo or whatever her name is.

[01:21:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And then when when the sound goes deaf it's like one long shot of them all in a diagonal line the whole family and then she slides back down the windshield like disappointed.

[01:21:20] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a really good scene.

[01:21:22] [SPEAKER_08]: It's like not cheesy it's just I agree and they have a lot of chemistry as a family.

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah they do never feels like she's like hamming it up or doing no kid acting but everything she does is adorable.

[01:21:32] [SPEAKER_08]: I was also she has a crying scene at the table nails and another tidbit I have for you guys.

[01:21:38] [SPEAKER_08]: They shot that in pieces obviously and they were like let's do Abigail first because she's you know we're going to lose her.

[01:21:45] [SPEAKER_08]: She's little and she just instantly just started like sobbing and like everyone else at the table was just like oh my god like I couldn't follow her because she's like move to kiss and that gets everybody else in the gut and then they start crazy.

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Isn't that crazy.

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I had heard that from people who have worked with her I'd say like before she was like 10 you know like Luma Sunshine and before.

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_04]: People who worked with her like I worked with crew guys and stuff who always said like she has the most astonishing emotional reserve or even just as a kid it didn't feel like oh she's been coached.

[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_04]: It didn't feel like oh this is a fucked up abuse kid who somehow is like they just go like so Abigail in this scene you're crying because your mom said she'd be like okay and then she'd just do it.

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Like she was just some miraculous like wonder child.

[01:22:25] [SPEAKER_08]: I think that she hasn't turned into like a bigger adults you know like like Chloe Moretz or Dakota Fanning or whoever you know.

[01:22:31] [SPEAKER_04]: This performance which I think is pretty astonishing.

[01:22:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if any of you have ever seen Keen the Lodge Carrigan movie.

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Which is a great movie with Damien Lewis later of Homeland and he plays a man who's searching for his missing daughter and as the film goes on you start to realize oh he might not be mentally all together he might not have a daughter how long has it been since the daughter.

[01:22:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Is he haunted by this trauma was there ever all this sort of stuff and Abigail Breslin plays a girl in the last third of the movie it becomes pretty much about the two of them.

[01:23:01] [SPEAKER_04]: The first two thirds is just this guy walking around it's all from his perspective and the last third of the movie is he sort of almost abducts this girl.

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean it feels like he's trying to fill that void and she's astonishing in it.

[01:23:14] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just her and like a real deal grown up actor and she has like a crying scene.

[01:23:20] [SPEAKER_04]: She likes this man who's nice to her and then there's a scene where she starts to realize oh no maybe this is the kind of stranger that my parents tell me not to go with.

[01:23:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe I'm not ever going to see my mom again and she like breaks down in a similar way.

[01:23:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I just never seen this being like oh this is the fucking next grade actress.

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah and it really stands out because a lot of times with the kids it's just deliver your lines not sing song.

[01:23:37] [SPEAKER_06]: It's basically all they ask and they ask a lot of emotional weight out of both of those kids in this one.

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_04]: She destroys it and then she does Loma Sunshine shortly after that.

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_04]: She has an Oscar nomination at like nine.

[01:23:46] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a huge film.

[01:23:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I think you know that's the weakest of these three performances but she's really charming in it and she's the center character.

[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_04]: You know but I think the other two movies she's got more heavy duty stuff to do and then I guess she's still good and stuff.

[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_04]: What is she in now?

[01:23:59] [SPEAKER_04]: She's on that show Screen Queens now on Fox.

[01:24:02] [SPEAKER_04]: She was in New Year's Eve.

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean I feel like she's also not doing stuff.

[01:24:06] [SPEAKER_04]: She's doing stuff. I don't know.

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just waiting for another knockout performance from her.

[01:24:11] [SPEAKER_04]: She needs a dramatic role then.

[01:24:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:24:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah she's been doing a lot of fluff stuff.

[01:24:17] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm a big fan. Thumbs up.

[01:24:19] [SPEAKER_08]: So but I think we're almost done here but I do think have we done everything in the end of the movie?

[01:24:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Well we haven't like it like talked about how everything lines up perfectly.

[01:24:27] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like the bat, the water, the asthma.

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_04]: We talked about the asthma.

[01:24:33] [SPEAKER_04]: The asthma is always yeah.

[01:24:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Where he whispers I hate you in the kids ear but to God.

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Very weird.

[01:24:39] [SPEAKER_06]: But it's just yeah he's clutching him and there's that I hate you.

[01:24:41] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the last thing that kid was ever going to do.

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_04]: What if that was the last thing that kid would do?

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Why is he saying that out loud to his child?

[01:24:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah and the thing that the wife's last words.

[01:24:53] [SPEAKER_08]: She told him to see.

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's like he needs to recognize the signs.

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_08]: I assume so and then he needs to swing away.

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Well earlier in the film.

[01:25:02] [SPEAKER_08]: You couldn't even say that with a straight face.

[01:25:04] [SPEAKER_04]: They don't show you the scene with the wife until after the alien attack.

[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_08]: She said those were her last words.

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes Mel tells him that.

[01:25:11] [SPEAKER_08]: I do actually like how the movie peppers in like these flashback moments and then like near the end as the movie's reaching its emotional climax we're like alright we're going to see this now.

[01:25:22] [SPEAKER_08]: The first film, the first shot of the movie.

[01:25:24] [SPEAKER_08]: The first thing they shot was the death scene of the wife.

[01:25:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Really?

[01:25:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah Mel Gibson came on set that was the first day.

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_08]: You have your story about from the making of Die Hard.

[01:25:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh yeah they held a, this is crazy.

[01:25:33] [SPEAKER_08]: They held a candlelight vigil for the dead wife.

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_08]: There's a picture.

[01:25:38] [SPEAKER_08]: The character?

[01:25:39] [SPEAKER_08]: The whole crew holding up candles before they shot this scene and Shyamalan puts it like we were all crying you know before we even started.

[01:25:46] [SPEAKER_03]: They were crying for him.

[01:25:49] [SPEAKER_03]: No for the dead lady who is dead.

[01:25:50] [SPEAKER_03]: No but I think they were crying so that he would see that they were taking his movie seriously.

[01:25:54] [SPEAKER_03]: It seems like one of those things where like the boss is here crying.

[01:25:57] [SPEAKER_03]: You got to imagine.

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Because no one was actually crying.

[01:26:00] [SPEAKER_08]: How can you hold a candlelight vigil for a fictionally dead fictional person.

[01:26:05] [SPEAKER_08]: That's an emotionally unstable crew.

[01:26:07] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean the surrogate for that dead person is right there.

[01:26:10] [SPEAKER_08]: He had a picture of this candlelight vigil that you see in the documentary and that he then used as emotional like support for his acting scenes.

[01:26:18] [SPEAKER_03]: For Ray Reddy?

[01:26:19] [SPEAKER_03]: When he walks by him in like slow mo and he's like on the ground.

[01:26:22] [SPEAKER_03]: That was, oh my god.

[01:26:23] [SPEAKER_04]: When he's looking down at his shoes he's actually looking down at a picture of the fake vigil he held for a woman who is still alive.

[01:26:28] [SPEAKER_08]: But it is interesting that they were like Gibson's coming you know and the first thing we're going to do we're going to just like plunge him into the water.

[01:26:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Well that was one of the better.

[01:26:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah and that was the better of the scene.

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_06]: That's the best thing.

[01:26:41] [SPEAKER_03]: He was probably drunk for that.

[01:26:43] [SPEAKER_06]: He showed up drunk and just slowly dried out throughout the film.

[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_04]: It feels like he is one in the bag during every scene of this movie.

[01:26:53] [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of movies make this mistake where there's like they save the flashback for later like it's a big twist reveal of what happened.

[01:26:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And what I like this film does is they pretty much tell you everything that happened in the moment but they spare you the emotion of actually watching it.

[01:27:04] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's not like it's like oh what happened to his wife.

[01:27:07] [SPEAKER_04]: They pretty quickly on tell you what was wife's last words.

[01:27:10] [SPEAKER_04]: He tells Walking Phoenix early on her last words when she said swing away and he cites that as that's why I knew.

[01:27:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah her brain was just firing.

[01:27:16] [SPEAKER_04]: The last thing she said to me was swing away.

[01:27:18] [SPEAKER_04]: She thought she was at one of your baseball games or something.

[01:27:20] [SPEAKER_04]: It didn't make any sense.

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And they save once he sees the alien holding Rory Culkin in the arms they flashback and they show you the scene for the first time.

[01:27:27] [SPEAKER_04]: It lands with full emotion before that they show the scene where he has Cherry Jones tell him what's going to happen.

[01:27:32] [SPEAKER_04]: They don't show the wife conversation until then and then the swing away thing suddenly like as a different weight to it.

[01:27:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Right where it's like yo that bat on the wall maybe use it to hit the guy.

[01:27:42] [SPEAKER_07]: But without this if your wife hadn't died and said these supernatural things you would never have thought like oh a bat is an effective weapon.

[01:27:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Well and that brings up a point that I was also curious about as a farmer.

[01:27:53] [SPEAKER_06]: You know he's a priest fine but Bucks County Pennsylvania somebody's got guns there's no guns in this movie.

[01:27:57] [SPEAKER_04]: There's guns in that house.

[01:27:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Merck was like where are the firearms.

[01:28:02] [SPEAKER_06]: It's a movie only it's all knives and bats which I get because you're like well we need the back is if he has a gun you just shoot the alien.

[01:28:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah well I thought the reason they weren't moving is they were scared to like hit him because what's he going to do disappear with the kid.

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like the unknown enemy right.

[01:28:14] [SPEAKER_03]: But if the simple answer is just find something to hit him with that literally could have been a chair and throw glasses of good thing.

[01:28:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And see he's like I see the alien holding my son.

[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah he is.

[01:28:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Come on.

[01:28:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey I think Ben do you want this episode to end.

[01:28:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah I do very much so.

[01:28:34] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah yeah yeah I was going to we're wrapping up.

[01:28:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Well maybe get on the mic to say there.

[01:28:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah Ben gave me a sheet of paper with some notes that I was holding tight if Ben wants to share.

[01:28:47] [SPEAKER_05]: So to add at this point you guys are just left off with where's the president.

[01:28:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Where's the fucking president.

[01:28:54] [SPEAKER_08]: You just want him to appear on screen being like.

[01:28:56] [SPEAKER_08]: It's just news.

[01:28:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Americans aliens are allergic to water.

[01:28:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Who would you want to play the president in this movie.

[01:29:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh I don't know.

[01:29:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes it's President Francis Reddy Ray Reddy's brother.

[01:29:09] [SPEAKER_03]: He's 18 he looks 18 which makes his character unrealistic.

[01:29:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Got where's the fucking president.

[01:29:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay check it off the list.

[01:29:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I wish that this movie was just the end the twist was that it was actually Mel Gostin just losing his mind.

[01:29:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah that would be a fine twist.

[01:29:27] [SPEAKER_04]: But it felt like it was going in that direction.

[01:29:28] [SPEAKER_08]: But then I think Sean Mullen was like no no no no not doing that again.

[01:29:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Straight down the middle.

[01:29:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And I have a theory that this movie gave Mel an idea of how to end Apokalypto.

[01:29:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Which is just to tie in religion Christianity saving the day.

[01:29:44] [SPEAKER_05]: So anyway let's wrap this up.

[01:29:45] [SPEAKER_08]: You have now referenced the ending of Apokalypto twice on this podcast.

[01:29:48] [SPEAKER_08]: I was going to say yes.

[01:29:49] [SPEAKER_08]: I believe you referenced it last week.

[01:29:52] [SPEAKER_04]: The twist of this movie is that there's no twist and the ending says like all those things that look like coincidences are coincidences that I'm using to pay off this ending.

[01:30:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Well and maybe God is real.

[01:30:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And maybe I'm God because I'm the one who designed this scene where everything worked out perfectly.

[01:30:05] [SPEAKER_08]: The twist is he puts the collar back on.

[01:30:07] [SPEAKER_06]: I know he becomes a priest.

[01:30:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I did not like the religious undertones of this film.

[01:30:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't like that last shot it just feels so sudden because it's like it's all in that world the whole movie is taking place within like three days.

[01:30:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And then it cuts this one like the wall they pan across the wall and then it's winter and he puts his collar on and the movie is over.

[01:30:24] [SPEAKER_04]: You're supposed to be like well now it's all great as long as he's back to the old job.

[01:30:27] [SPEAKER_04]: No one will ever die again.

[01:30:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I know it is yeah it is weird.

[01:30:30] [SPEAKER_04]: But there's no sort of emotional resolution it's just like oh he's back to work.

[01:30:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And every M.I. movie at this point has been like I mean they're all crisis of faith movies right.

[01:30:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And usually are you know.

[01:30:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Resolved with faith winning out.

[01:30:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly. They're always about sort of like emotionally distant men who have a hard time relating to their family.

[01:30:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Dennis Leary and Wide Awake Bruce Willis and his two Mel Gibson and this.

[01:30:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's always these kids who seem tied into some deeper sort of like who have some sort of supernatural right.

[01:30:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Right if not literally they just seem perceptive to wisdom beyond their years.

[01:31:04] [SPEAKER_06]: He's just been working it out with Papa Shyamalan for years and years.

[01:31:08] [SPEAKER_06]: That's what he's trying to work through.

[01:31:09] [SPEAKER_08]: And that's what he's very is very Spielberg about him because like Spielberg it's like.

[01:31:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Daddy movies movies about you know why doesn't daddy love me or whatever.

[01:31:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I made John.

[01:31:19] [SPEAKER_04]: He had two doctor parents you know.

[01:31:21] [SPEAKER_04]: His parents were very doting and support.

[01:31:23] [SPEAKER_04]: It sounds like he had supportive parents but he also had doctor parents and maybe they're working crazy.

[01:31:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe he also just saw a lot of.

[01:31:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Catholic right but he went to Catholic school I think to some degree he was like oh white people love this Catholic shit.

[01:31:33] [SPEAKER_06]: I was just gonna say an Indian in in Bucks County or at least in the parts of he grew up I think in the suburbs of Philadelphia.

[01:31:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah yeah.

[01:31:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I think he was just sort of trying to figure out like how to make movies appeal to the widest like Swann with mainstream America.

[01:31:47] [SPEAKER_04]: But I also think this movie is interesting because he's been hanging this things of these guys who can't connect with their wives right.

[01:31:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Six sense that's because she's a ghost and break well because he's fucked it up you know.

[01:31:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah sure.

[01:31:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Like all these things and then this one it's like the wife is dead.

[01:31:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's always like oh the guy's talking to focusing too much on his career and not enough on his family.

[01:32:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's like given up his career entirely to focus on the family.

[01:32:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Distance him from his family.

[01:32:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And then the movie is like now you got to go do that job too it's like you got to do both things.

[01:32:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Sure I guess so.

[01:32:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know it's an interesting movie I mean it's like.

[01:32:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I kind of like it.

[01:32:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of do too yeah.

[01:32:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I liked it a little because I thought I was going to hate it.

[01:32:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:32:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And some of it was kind of cool so then I was like.

[01:32:24] [SPEAKER_06]: I think slightly above average I think it's it's Shyamalan's cameo and doing an alien CGI not practical.

[01:32:30] [SPEAKER_06]: They could have done a little CGI for the camouflage if they needed to but.

[01:32:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I think anytime it was in the shadows it's sort of been a guy in the suit.

[01:32:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Because you're not going to see details anyway.

[01:32:38] [SPEAKER_08]: You guys have to remember the complaints at the time like why would aliens who are allergic to water come to a planet where it rains.

[01:32:43] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't give a shit about that at all.

[01:32:46] [SPEAKER_04]: You don't care at all.

[01:32:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't care at all about that.

[01:32:48] [SPEAKER_08]: I wouldn't care if it literally isn't like some water a dribble of water spills on him and he starts bleeding.

[01:32:56] [SPEAKER_08]: It's just so dorky.

[01:32:58] [SPEAKER_06]: They didn't do their research on this planet.

[01:33:00] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a scene that's very like very specifically art directed of a of a seating arrangement outside of their farmhouse and it's all Adirondack chairs which are very.

[01:33:09] [SPEAKER_06]: New England. Yeah.

[01:33:10] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like Cape Cod so that like that's such a specific chair to use and like the butt fuck Pennsylvania.

[01:33:17] [SPEAKER_03]: It bothered me a lot.

[01:33:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Because that's a specific choice.

[01:33:21] [SPEAKER_03]: It isn't like oh they had one of those.

[01:33:22] [SPEAKER_03]: They have like four in their pristine.

[01:33:24] [SPEAKER_08]: They want this movie to look like like yeah like what's who's who's the painter.

[01:33:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Nice painter who makes Thomas Kinkade Master of Light.

[01:33:33] [SPEAKER_08]: No not Thomas.

[01:33:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Norman Rockwell.

[01:33:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Like they wanted to look all American I agree with you there's no character to like Pence.

[01:33:40] [SPEAKER_08]: This is Bucks County.

[01:33:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Should be a little more specific.

[01:33:44] [SPEAKER_01]: How much people live in Bucks County.

[01:33:46] [SPEAKER_06]: They're Lancaster County more but it's yeah but there's there'd be a little more rugged elements to these.

[01:33:52] [SPEAKER_03]: The house is very pristine.

[01:33:54] [SPEAKER_06]: There'd be one shot.

[01:33:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Especially if mom's dead that house should have gone to shit.

[01:33:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:33:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Quick sorry because I don't even know what I take away from this attack.

[01:34:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Fujimoto shot this film as well.

[01:34:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah he had shot the six sense and he shot songs of the lambs and there's one scene that employs tack and Jonathan Demme's big trick that they love doing which is the characters staring straight down the barrel of the lens you're doing a conversation between two characters in coverage but they're both addressing the camera.

[01:34:22] [SPEAKER_04]: It seems like to make the audience feel uncomfortable.

[01:34:25] [SPEAKER_04]: They use a lot in songs of the lambs during interrogation scene.

[01:34:28] [SPEAKER_04]: It's the one where I forget which speeches but it's one of the ones that Terry Terry Jones comes over to talk to Mel Gibson and it's the one that Abigail Breslin keeps on interrupting with the TV stuff.

[01:34:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah right.

[01:34:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And the eye line is always straight with the audience.

[01:34:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Abigail Breslin comes in and then it breaks and then it goes to a side shot and it is successful because it's like that is unnerving.

[01:34:45] [SPEAKER_04]: It always is unnerving to watch a movie and feel like the characters talking to you.

[01:34:49] [SPEAKER_04]: But I can't for the love of me figure out why they did it there.

[01:34:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Cool shot.

[01:34:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I was tired.

[01:34:53] [SPEAKER_04]: It looks cool but he's also usually pretty tight about his language.

[01:34:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah it's I don't know very strange.

[01:34:58] [SPEAKER_04]: This movie is a little less though.

[01:35:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes it feels like he was playing it a little more safe.

[01:35:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And he was a little more calculative like I'm going to make it very religious so it can appeal to like homeland America because I'm breakable I clearly went chew up my butt with the artsy fartsy stuff that only Griffin's going to like sad little 10 year old Griffin.

[01:35:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Those are the notes in the script where Griffin's going to love this.

[01:35:17] [SPEAKER_04]: None of this Griffin fart stuff.

[01:35:19] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think it's a you know a film made by someone who knows how to make movies they're masterful sequences.

[01:35:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I agree.

[01:35:25] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's above average.

[01:35:26] [SPEAKER_08]: I would put it slightly above average.

[01:35:28] [SPEAKER_08]: And it's him making a Hitchcock movie.

[01:35:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Whatever with Spielberg he's supernatural overtones but he's like I'm making a film that's going to have scenes of well executed suspense layered over with it.

[01:35:40] [SPEAKER_06]: When they heard the aliens scream after his fingers cut off those birds went wild.

[01:35:44] [SPEAKER_04]: But we should wrap up.

[01:35:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes and this is kind of the last pure Shyamalan film.

[01:35:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean after this things get really interesting in the career.

[01:35:49] [SPEAKER_04]: The next movie is to me the linchpin of everything.

[01:35:52] [SPEAKER_04]: He goes double artsy.

[01:35:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Next movie is my favorite Shyamalan and I'm very excited to talk about it but it's also where the wheels come off.

[01:36:00] [SPEAKER_04]: What's it called?

[01:36:01] [SPEAKER_08]: The village.

[01:36:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Le Village.

[01:36:03] [SPEAKER_06]: I remember seeing that.

[01:36:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Le Village.

[01:36:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Murfindayan thank you so much for being on the show.

[01:36:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks guys.

[01:36:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks for getting us.

[01:36:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Coming into this hot room that you know well.

[01:36:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I know this hot box.

[01:36:13] [SPEAKER_04]: You know should be said first of all I think you folks are the ones who coined the Haas so credit there you know.

[01:36:19] [SPEAKER_04]: If you're a blankie and you're not listening to Minaj you got it all wrong because first of all as we said their podcast and the man who we're studying this miniseries share a name.

[01:36:29] [SPEAKER_04]: So there's a lot of overlap but also if you like the Haas as a nickname you'll love Minaj Atua that's all you need to know.

[01:36:35] [SPEAKER_04]: You've had some great guests on the show.

[01:36:36] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a great podcast.

[01:36:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks man.

[01:36:38] [SPEAKER_04]: We've both been on if you're looking for an entry point.

[01:36:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Please do.

[01:36:42] [SPEAKER_04]: We both cite Winona Ryder as our all time crush.

[01:36:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes it's a double Ryder.

[01:36:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I believe I have an improv scene with Jeff Bulbul in my episode.

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow.

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I think so.

[01:36:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I talk about Tangled a lot in my episode.

[01:36:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And Iced Tea I talk about Iced Tea.

[01:36:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I tell a good story about working on Law and Order SV if you want to listen to that.

[01:37:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Great podcast and both of you are involved with Chris Gatheard's show.

[01:37:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Yep.

[01:37:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Which is coming back to Fusion.

[01:37:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Season 2.

[01:37:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Season 2.

[01:37:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Outlawing Eps.

[01:37:12] [SPEAKER_04]: No official date yet but very soon within the next couple months.

[01:37:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I think so.

[01:37:16] [SPEAKER_04]: It will be back.

[01:37:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Spring 2016.

[01:37:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Spring 16.

[01:37:20] [SPEAKER_04]: So definitely watch the shit out of that but also if for any reason you listen to this podcast and you haven't watched the Chris Gatheard show what's the matter with you?

[01:37:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah that actually is weird.

[01:37:28] [SPEAKER_04]: You guys should get on that.

[01:37:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Perhaps maybe it's blind person.

[01:37:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe it's a blind person.

[01:37:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay but listen.

[01:37:35] [SPEAKER_08]: If you've got sight.

[01:37:36] [SPEAKER_03]: They have it as a podcast.

[01:37:37] [SPEAKER_08]: You can download it to your thing.

[01:37:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Don't yell at them.

[01:37:40] [SPEAKER_04]: You know guys check out the Chris Gatheard show.

[01:37:42] [SPEAKER_04]: It's wonderful.

[01:37:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe my first episode.

[01:37:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe my favorite episode of television ever is the Chris Gatheard episode First Times which features a very big moment between the two of you.

[01:37:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Great episode.

[01:37:53] [SPEAKER_04]: You might be able to guess where it's going but I don't want to spoil it because the episode plays out so perfectly.

[01:37:58] [SPEAKER_04]: They give each other shockers.

[01:38:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Because they each got five curly fingers.

[01:38:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Griffin.

[01:38:03] [SPEAKER_08]: I swear to God.

[01:38:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for listening.

[01:38:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I just want to do one quick plug.

[01:38:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I last night stayed up very late.

[01:38:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course we have to talk about this.

[01:38:12] [SPEAKER_04]: We got to talk about this.

[01:38:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I established.

[01:38:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I decided twenty sixteen.

[01:38:16] [SPEAKER_08]: You've already been talking about this privately.

[01:38:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And I've been working a couple different angles but I decided this is the year of no regrets.

[01:38:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I want to put it all out on the table and try for everything you know that I dream of and live my life to the fullest.

[01:38:29] [SPEAKER_04]: You know like the secret.

[01:38:30] [SPEAKER_04]: So I talked to my agents my professional representation about this.

[01:38:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I had a sort of personal side in with some of the producers was trying to like work that angle and last night was like you know what.

[01:38:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Fuck it.

[01:38:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm working any angle.

[01:38:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Go viral baby.

[01:38:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's go viral.

[01:38:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I started a change.

[01:38:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Org petition.

[01:38:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Address to Comcast.

[01:38:49] [SPEAKER_04]: And President Obama and President Obama.

[01:38:52] [SPEAKER_04]: To cast me in the film fast eight the film in the fast and furious.

[01:38:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes right.

[01:38:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Being shot in New York.

[01:38:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Yep.

[01:38:58] [SPEAKER_04]: It's right here on our doorstep.

[01:39:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Casting directors the guy who did draft day he's hired me before.

[01:39:02] [SPEAKER_04]: You might go great then it's a lot.

[01:39:04] [SPEAKER_04]: No it's not.

[01:39:05] [SPEAKER_04]: We need we need all the support we can get.

[01:39:06] [SPEAKER_08]: So we got it.

[01:39:07] [SPEAKER_08]: We got a rally of troops.

[01:39:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Everybody get on that.

[01:39:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Everyone get on that as of the time of our recording I posted it last night at like midnight or 1 a.m.

[01:39:15] [SPEAKER_04]: As of the time that we started recording this I had over a thousand views to the petition.

[01:39:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Cool change good start.

[01:39:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Change.

[01:39:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Signatures.

[01:39:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Fucking 84 you assholes if you click on the page just sign.

[01:39:28] [SPEAKER_03]: How many do you think you need to get into fast eight.

[01:39:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I think I think if I get five thousand it will catch their attention.

[01:39:36] [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm saying.

[01:39:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I think if I have five thousand signatures there's no way I don't get an audition.

[01:39:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I think they'd at least get you in that room for sure.

[01:39:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah I think we need to get you a million.

[01:39:45] [SPEAKER_06]: I think a million they write a character for you.

[01:39:47] [SPEAKER_04]: We're gunning for a million.

[01:39:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Because that's the kind of movie you can just write a character into last fucking minute.

[01:39:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Look I'm proud of my full write up on the petition.

[01:39:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I suggest you check it out a bit dot L Y.

[01:39:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I create a bit dot L Y a link that's easy to remember so it's bit HGTP colon backslash backslash bit dot L Y backslash fast Griff furious.

[01:40:09] [SPEAKER_04]: There you go.

[01:40:10] [SPEAKER_04]: That's the link.

[01:40:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I wrote up a whole thing.

[01:40:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I explain my history why it means a lot to me.

[01:40:15] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a great essay you guys should read it.

[01:40:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I would work for the sag you know minimum scale local hire so they'd save money on transportation because I could self commute but subway.

[01:40:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't need a lot of craft services because that could be distributed amongst the rest of the crew.

[01:40:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I also give them a few pitches on different types of characters I can play one is you know a main entry.

[01:40:33] [SPEAKER_04]: No no they can read it.

[01:40:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they have any budget restrictions on that film.

[01:40:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I know that's why I'm saying like I'll save you a couple bucks.

[01:40:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Happy to be part of the family happy to have one line let's get that going please.

[01:40:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I'm going to go sign right now.

[01:40:46] [SPEAKER_04]: That's how you should be doing it people.

[01:40:48] [SPEAKER_04]: If you're going to read it sign it.

[01:40:48] [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of blankies already signing I recognize the names I really appreciate it so please check that out.

[01:40:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Keep listening to this podcast.

[01:40:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah we'll be back next week we're probably talking the village.

[01:40:56] [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to be talking L'Valage with.

[01:40:59] [SPEAKER_04]: David Ehrlich.

[01:41:01] [SPEAKER_08]: 99 percent like where he'll be here.

[01:41:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Rolling Stone.

[01:41:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Stone writer one of my favorite guys.

[01:41:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Time out New York Little White Lies he's one of the finest.

[01:41:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks again for being here.

[01:41:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

[01:41:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

[01:41:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Ben I miss you on the other side of this wall.

[01:41:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And as always you need five fingers for a shock.

[01:41:26] [SPEAKER_08]: You got it.

[01:41:29] [SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't have the power unless there's two you aren't using.

[01:41:32] [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm saying.

[01:41:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:41:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Perfect as fuck.