[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check
[00:00:20] You were right! I'm a rebel. I am. I just channeled my rebellion into the podcast So we're just looking at the poster and the tagline. And the tagline's very crummy Makes it look like a very stupid movie. But the poster for this movie is so great
[00:00:33] And it makes me miss painted posters Sure, I mean to determine you know the poster right? Yes, of course, iconic Yes But if someone did that today it would be Photoshopped, right? 100%
[00:00:48] I also just don't think there's something like very elegantly simple about like he's just coming in from the other side He's upset then I feel like they just don't do that anymore Yeah, I know you haven't introduced me yet So
[00:01:02] That should talk on mic before we introduce him It's the opposite of your pocket It also is interesting because technically in a movie like Drop Dead Fred or something like that The crazy character would be the one coming in upside down Right
[00:01:16] And yet she is there almost as the grounding centering force and his life has been turned upside down by it Which is interesting Perfect take, thank you all for listening He's in that electric blue suit too Yes
[00:01:31] That is interesting devolution though of like this is painted and then what five or six years later Drop Dead Fred is like clearly a posed photo but you can tell that he is actually hanging upside down on the day Yeah
[00:01:44] The way they're looking at each other it's clear that that was shot for real I don't think so You think this is for real? I think so Do you disagree? Well now I think that's a photo Yeah, the way their hair
[00:01:54] You know what now I sort of layered over As a person who has done an upside down episode of my show It is very difficult to get people's hair to stand up the way that it normally would fall
[00:02:06] When you're filming right side up but then turning it upside down in post Good call And that to me looks like they basically slicked his hair up The titular Drop Dead Fred of course That's kind of the classic Rick Mayall hair height
[00:02:19] That's right he had this sort of bouffant mushroomy Yeah, I gotta say this and it's, this is not the right place to say it but I just want to quickly What do you wanna say it? I've talked On Capitol Hill
[00:02:32] I'd love to say it on Capitol Hill and they will not let me in I'd love to sit down with the group, the McLaughlin group But Group? Not a group, what am I talking about? You're more It's more of a group guys They're not reporting on anything
[00:02:45] They're still going right The McLaughlin Wolf Pack Yeah We've talked in the past about how much Al Pacino and my grandmother now look the same How they have similar sort of levels of fake tan and hair height The hair height Right
[00:03:00] Just sort of like, Pacino does he have the mullet kind of thing going on too these days? Yeah A lot of length in the back And a lot of like layers Sweeping it back right It's a lot of little pieces sticking up
[00:03:09] He almost has the Rachel going on doesn't he He kinda has the Rachel going on and he's got weird highlights like that too Like his hair is like a sort of sandy brown with blonde streaks in it
[00:03:20] The thing that's funny is that De Niro has also favored the long hair now But like he just sort of, you know, he just grew it back Whereas Pacino right, there's something going on Pacino does have the longer in the back than he does on the top
[00:03:33] And this one has a real Lucifer mirror He's got a, yes Okay, I meant De Niro I also feel like Pacino dresses like my grandmother now And then I went to see the Irishman which is the most Pacino has been in a character
[00:03:45] Like giving himself to a character Oh really? In a theatrical film in probably 15 years Where he's really like, yeah right, right Where he's doing the classics No but where he like looks different He's doing a different voice And he's not just relying on all the old mannerism
[00:03:59] And the entire time I couldn't get my grandmother out of my head Like he's Jimmy Hoffa and he's got the slick back hair Yeah, wait until you see the Irishman You're gonna keep on thinking I thought he was in the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
[00:04:10] He was kind of different Oh, he's great in it I was forgetting that that also existed He's really good in it Yeah Yeah, he's having fun again He is having fun I also like that you then see him later Like lumbering around in his home theater
[00:04:24] And you know, seems like he has a nice little life Yeah, he's got an interesting waddle in that He's got a good waddle Because it's the Irishman Do you mean underneath his neck? I mean, there's a little going on there
[00:04:36] That too, but I was also saying he's got a little bit of an Oswald cobble pot Gate Sure In Once Upon a Time in Hollywood He should be in Batman He should Come on He should play, dare I say it The con- The Batman
[00:04:51] What if he were Batman? What if he were Batman? He's one of the best actors of our generation Why should he not play Batman? And that re-used if you ask somebody I'll put you, the guy is an Oscar You see the Godfather, this guy's great
[00:05:04] And when someone has honed their craft into a fine blade Has sent it to the top of the mountain Of the art The reward is The reward is playing Batman You gotta play the Batman I'm looking for clues Who me? Who are? Who me? I'm the Batman
[00:05:25] He could just sort of like sculpt his hair up into ears, I guess Right? You got the height You gotta cut out some holes in this mask Gotta have the hair poking through Oh I thought you meant eye holes I can't see
[00:05:37] I'm trying to figure out your scene They didn't cut eye holes out in the mask And so he goes to the costume designer saying You gotta cut holes in this mask You gotta cut holes I was like, okay, interesting premise I can't breathe He's talking Alfred
[00:05:51] He's talking Alfred He's talking Alfred And then do a swap Make Alfred Oh Robert Pattinson's Robert Pattinson's got that classy British touch Yeah He's a very normal Angler Or make it Radcliffe or someone like that With Pacino This is a dynamite idea for a Batman movie
[00:06:10] I feel kind of bad that we're gonna cost Warner Brothers so much in sunken development right now They're gonna have to just put it in turn right Just gonna hear this in recent one Oh, old Al Of course Of course It is so funny having recently re-watched
[00:06:29] Casino in preparation for the Irishman And I saw Why do you need to watch Casino to prepare for the Irishman? I wanted to re-acclimate with the Scorsese mob patina Also, you went to a casino recently I went to a casino I want to prepare
[00:06:44] Trying to get that juice back How to win money Right I watched the film Casino And only learned how to get murdered Yeah, in a cornfield Yeah, in a cornfield Yes But it's so funny that in Casino Casino Casino? Uh, De Niro's defining characteristic is that he's Jewish
[00:07:04] Right And then the Irishman, his defining characteristic is that he's Irish This guy's so Irish Yeah, and he's like Again, I wish I didn't know that But thank you Well, I'm sorry I'm sorry to connect the dots on the title Well, that I really did Yeah
[00:07:16] You thought it was just like a No, I An ironic nickname I will say that I prefer not knowing anything about any movie Sure And so I was talking to Adam Scott on our REM show The other day about the Irish
[00:07:28] And he was saying how great it was And I was like, yeah, but De Niro Pacino They're not Irish And he goes, and then he told me something about it on air And I was like, well, I wish I didn't know
[00:07:38] And now knowing that De Niro plays the titular Irishman I also wish I didn't know that Yeah, okay Well, I apologize Yeah It's there from the beginning of the movie It's true But they keep on going like This guy's so fucking Irish No, he's not
[00:07:52] Right, and it's like, A, I don't know if it's just because of his cultural position But he looks more Italian than anyone in the world today Does he try an Irish like, hi A, they He does
[00:08:03] I know you say you don't want to know anything else about the movie Does he drink Jameson constantly? He's chewing around a pot of Gold the entire time It's a little offensive When the departed didn't Nicholson try to do the Boston Yeah For like a couple of scenes
[00:08:16] Right He is in and out of that accent So Boston Get me some chowder And then So wicked stupid Robin Williams and Goodwill Hunting also tries And I just wish they didn't People can be from all over Totally You know what I mean?
[00:08:33] You can talk like however you talk from all over the world Because people move to different cities from all over You don't need to like, you know, get into there If you can't nail He doesn't need to be Irish He doesn't need to be like a boss
[00:08:44] That famous and that iconic Right It's like People will go with it You want to take the Sean Connery approach Where it's like, yeah, Sean from Russia Yeah, exactly Clark Gable Yes Kerry Grant Oh, yes But also Clark Gable But also Clark Gable too Just be classy
[00:09:00] Pick a voice Yes Patrick Warburton Yes Just do that Like he can be from wherever I would buy it Yes Yeah Oh I know I had never met him before That was him in Empire Strikes Back Yeah, that's him Yes I love you I know
[00:09:18] Just for that one line he tagged them I know I was trying to do him in that Alamo commercial or whatever But then Henry goes in Hey Patrick, looking good I know But instead I I never met him Because he was the other He's the other tech
[00:09:34] Oh yeah There's some tick rivalry going on Is he the voice of the tick in the cartoon? No No, he was in the live action That sounds like a clone of my friend No, of course I know I forgot Yeah, three different actors have played the role
[00:09:46] But I met him recently doing like a A comic convention And he was like I'm sorry that my voice is so fucked I've been fighting the fires up in the Near my home He's been fighting fighters? He's like running in with like buckets of water?
[00:09:59] I was like how's it been going and he's like Well, my brother-in-law is a firefighter So he came down, he fought it himself And I was like you just Brought in a fireman to like To help out? Wow But also to like just be like
[00:10:12] Take care of my home But also his voice sounded so fucking good Yeah That I was so jealous that that was him being like My voice is gone I can't do an impression On one of my other shows, 3Dem We were talking about these actors
[00:10:26] And they seemed primarily to be around in the 50s And 60s and maybe the 70s Who basically they found a funny way of talking And then their career was set Revered and aired from there And so it's like the guy who talks like this
[00:10:40] Walter Brennan won three Oscars? Four? Four I think he got two I think he won three I believe he has the all-time record But Yeah, but Patrick I was trying to think of a modern equivalent And Patrick Warburton is the modern equivalent
[00:10:56] He found a funny way to talk He did it on Seinfeld He's talked like it ever since And he can coast Just because he figured out that funny way to talk But his voice is his That's his bread and butter
[00:11:08] Right, I mean he must be worried about the fires Yeah, but it still sounded so god damn sure He can insured his voice It has to be His vocal cords Yeah, if J.Lo's blood was his vocal cords He'd have to all insured his vocal cords
[00:11:20] Was her entire butt insured Was like the butthole also insured Or was that a different insured Scott, what a great question And what a great moment to introduce you This is Blank Check It's a podcast about filmographies Directors who have massive success early on in their career
[00:11:34] And give a series of blank checks Make whatever crazy passion projects they want Sometimes those checks clear And sometimes they bounce, baby This is a me-series on the films of Jonathan Demme It's called Stop Making Podcast That's right From Freedom From You Talking You Too To Me
[00:11:48] From Comedy Bang Bang The TV show and the podcast is Scott Ackerman Hi guys, thank you for having me on It was by request What a joy I appreciate it I did not demand, this was not on demand He requested, I heard the episode
[00:12:02] Yes, yes, you did say He didn't like grab you by the lapels Yes, yes I have to imagine the cheeks were insured Yeah, well that's what I'm saying Obviously the cheeks are insured Because that's the thing that makes J.Lo's butt The moneymaker Right We, you know
[00:12:19] That's just the topping on the butthole though Because everyone's butthole is relatively the same I would imagine the diameter of it I mean I've heard some incredible things about her butthole But I do think with J.Lo You're like, well if she lost any mass in the cheeks
[00:12:37] It would affect her performance Yes, that's what I'm saying Is like the butthole I'm sure the inspectors came and said Well you just have a regular butthole We're not going to insure that Because you have the butthole everyone has And if her butthole got damaged
[00:12:49] You know, God forbid Yeah, God forbid, please Let's make sure that we're saying that It would affect her day-to-day living She would have a tough time Sure, she would have to suddenly Sit in seats that have cushions Right Whereas right now she can go
[00:13:05] She basically, she can go on The just most uncomfortable bench In Dodger Stadium Anywhere And just be like, oh my God I could sit here for hours And I know we're inside like Showbiz, Shop Talk But that really is her reputation in Hollywood
[00:13:20] People go like, J.Lo's incredible She's such a pro She can shit anywhere Did you say shit or sit? Both I googled this But I just got to a very weird web So you googled whether her butthole Is insured? No, no, I mean you know Okay
[00:13:34] But here, come on read some of it Read some of the Ben, come on give me this headline It just has the greatest headline Are copper pennies Effective treatment for bee stings I don't know Never knew To rub them Beestings Like if someone beasts you
[00:13:47] Goes in a beast mode I mean I remember hearing that If you put pennies in your mouth When you're drunk driving You can like bypass the breathalyzer Oh yeah, I've heard that before I am so not surprised But I can tell you to die Doesn't work
[00:14:01] I can tell you firsthand Yeah How about this one Asparagus is a cure cancer That's another question People apparently were asking Are these just the results you got? Yeah He's just looking at questions I'm on some website Google questions That purports to answer the J-Lo question
[00:14:16] What's a question? And then it has populated like other Sort of weird questions that people ask The most commonly asked I vividly remember that being A New York post headline probably It was in like 1999 Right, for like five straight days They were just milking that
[00:14:30] Like how much is each cheek worth? Usually you milk up top Whoa! Congratulations So you introduced the podcast, right? I did Okay good I'm Griffin I'm David, I'm sorry That was the only thing I didn't introduce But this is a main series on the films of Jonathan Daman
[00:14:47] Yeah, you said that And a couple weeks ago On Comedy Bang Bang Although by now when this episode comes out It will have been longer Long ago Some random man came on your podcast And chose at the end to promote My Cancelled TV Show and podcast
[00:15:05] And you then offered to him That you would hypothetically Want to be on the Something Wild episode Which thankfully I heard Yes, you're a listener of the show Regular listener Of course Yes, by request And Wanted to do this episode Because I love this movie so much
[00:15:26] So, and who better than I To talk about this movie A man who saw it opening weekend Sure And I said to David I said I think Awkrim maybe wants to do something well And he went that makes so much sense Oh, okay
[00:15:38] It is kind of a movie where I go Of course this is a film you love Like everything I've ever heard you say About your artistic inspirations Your passions at the people Whose work you like the most Everything in your sensibility feels very Like it's all collected
[00:15:53] In this movie in a certain way Yeah, that's interesting And I watched it again Two days ago And I think my perspective on it Has changed a little bit So, but I'm interested In talking about that as well Right Yeah, Jonathan Demme I mean, I also thought
[00:16:10] I think of you as a Talking Heads fan Yes And that was the reason I saw this movie In the first place Because in 1985 I got very into the Talking Heads Because Stop Making Sense had just come out I had obviously heard Burning Down the House Before
[00:16:25] But I had a best friend who Was into a lot of great music Who got me into stuff So we would listen to the Stop Making Sense Soundtrack a lot And I was like I gotta see this movie And it was not playing anywhere Really in Orange County
[00:16:39] At the time For some reason Maybe it had been out too long At that point And I can't recall I think it came out late 1984 Something like that So my friend and I Drove up to Hermosa Beach to see it
[00:16:51] Which was a bit of a trek for us But yeah, it was incredible And I think it was like A Wednesday night or something like that Watching Stop Making Sense And just like dancing around In my seat and all that And you know I'm the type of person
[00:17:06] When I see something I like I then investigate it And then I try to immerse myself In the people's other work as well So not to the extent Where I've really seen any other Jonathan Debbie boys We were talking about this the other night You did shout out
[00:17:20] Mary to the mob as well No, Mary to the mob I basically I dropped off after Philadelphia Yeah, after Philadelphia I think he's We were talking about this Stop making not only sense but movies Sure They became fewer and far between And it feels like the sensibility
[00:17:38] That you respond to most strongly Was this run of like Something while Mary to the mob Stop making sense An arctic kind of comedies Yes, and as much as I like Mary to the mob I think it leans a little too heavily On the cartoonish stuff
[00:17:56] That this film does not I not having seen this film In a couple years Having rewatched Mary to the mob Recently for the show Was surprised Even though I feel like So much of this movie's reputation The way it's cited the most is
[00:18:11] Oh, it's this movie with this incredible Tonal shift I feel like that's the thing Everyone always throws out I had never really seen a movie That had a tonal shift at the time And I think that's I've responded to different things about it
[00:18:23] The few different times I've seen it And I was trying to sort of like Go back in time And think of what I liked about it When I was 16 And watched it opening weekend Because it was Jonathan Demi David Byrne did the The opening song
[00:18:39] I did not know who I don't think I'd seen Purple Rose of Cairo yet So I don't think I knew Who Jeff Daniels was I did not know who Melanie Griffith was I just was in for Jonathan Demi And what I think I responded to it
[00:18:53] The first time I ever saw it Was First of all, I think I identified with The Jeff Daniels character Because I think all movies were sort of Directed at me A middle class white guy And so Both tall men Yeah And his performance was very funny And I
[00:19:14] So I just identified with him And felt like Everything that was happening to him could happen to me And I, you know Pretty straight laced upbringing and stuff But also the tonal shift was the The thing that I had never really seen in a movie like that
[00:19:30] Where it was very funny, very charming Very energetic and quirky And then suddenly got very dramatic and violent Yeah And that it pulled that off That kind of Tied to the success of that shift It immediately made Ray Liotta a star Yes, that's true The buzz is like
[00:19:51] Oh, this guy comes in And he changes the temperature of the movie immediately Yeah Like he takes over the film Yeah And he'd never been in anything Yeah Well, he had been in a soap opera Right, right For a number of years Yeah, and that's not nothing
[00:20:03] I'm so sorry I forgot about that he was on Another World, yes But it made him immediately Joey Perini number two Is how he was credited Oh, okay Do you know that off of this Liotta was Tim Burton's original choice for Batman Yeah
[00:20:16] We think we talked about it on the Batman episode You gotta get Pacino Well, that's like this And he tried But He was in the sea of love Pacino screen tested for Burton He was like too young There's something too vital I mean, if I were making this
[00:20:29] 35 years from now Sure, maybe Happily, yeah So with Liotta was he just like That guy has that kind of like maniac Sort of, you know, energy I think that's the thing I mean, Burton's talked so much about how his whole take On the character was he wanted him
[00:20:41] To be like an insane person Right And like Keaton obviously got to that Sort of like bottled mania But I think he liked how scary Ray Liotta was Liotta's also Did he turn it down Or did the studio say He said he flat out turned it down
[00:20:58] Because he thought it was silly Liotta's one of those guys who is sort of Like, I remember I saw some interview with him Of Field of Dreams He's like, yeah, that movie's stupid though Baseball field Ghosts, ah That stuff Shulish Joe puts some goddamn shoes on
[00:21:12] He just seems oddly dismissive About like a lot of the sort of Highlights of his career I saw him do an interview recently Where he was like That was such a stupid decision on my part Like obviously Not to do Batman?
[00:21:23] I don't know that he would have done Goodfellas If he had been in Batman Probably not And he was like Keaton did a better job Than I could have But it was dumb of me To just miss it out of hand Yeah, well especially when like
[00:21:33] The work dries up And you're doing, you know Those smoking commercials Or whatever he's doing now Chantex works for Ray I like that he keeps Self identifying as Ray In those commercials He's like people come up to me They're like Ray, it's a new Ray Ray, Ray, Ray
[00:21:47] Ray meant Which by the way He is called Ray in this movie Which is so funny I don't have any evidence to this But I almost wonder If it was written as Ray Or whether it was just like He says Ray
[00:22:00] He says his own name in that way So well We just got changed He's a real Ray A lifetime experience Self identifying Ray Ray It's such a good name for this guy He is also like Not to get ahead of the movie But it's, I saw
[00:22:15] Goodfellas on the big screen Recently Of course you watched Casino I know You were steeping yourself I was steeping Steeping like tea But having watched his face A lot in the last couple of weeks He is so fascinating looking Because there is something
[00:22:31] So scary and hard about him And something simultaneously So delicate Well, he's sort of very pale And Ray, he has kind of Mark marks Interesting features Right, but then he's got these Like startling blue eyes And he's like very delicate Eyelashes Yes, he does
[00:22:48] He's got the long eyelashes Yeah And then this sort of like Purseed mouth He like simultaneously looks Like a hooligan Like a male model You know It's crazy he I mean his Introduction into the movie And his final scene in the movie Is almost like
[00:23:04] Look, I'm a movie star Yeah You You know when he does The hair thing essentially It's just basically like There is no purpose for him To do it either time Other than to be like I am effortlessly cool Right And so magnetic
[00:23:20] That this looks amazing when I do it It is this thing I love It is a very rare phenomenon Mostly because most scripts Don't allow for this kind of thing But when an actor Enteres into a movie And becomes a movie star Immediately You know when a
[00:23:36] Especially when you be like This with a narrative Is almost him being like Hey, I'm here And I'm in charge of the movie now Right Exactly halfway through the movie It's basically he Wonders in from the side of the frame And is like Hey, how's it going?
[00:23:48] How are you? Right And then suddenly It's the raleo to film Right But like Jack Black entering The record store for the first time In High Fidelity is like An immediate like That's now he's a movie star Now his quote just went up You know like
[00:24:02] Ed Norton in Primal Fear Like movies where it's like Someone who like Had sort of been percolating Around the sides Or hadn't been doing anything The minions The minions Do you remember when they first Should have been screaming I've never seen that movie And I would
[00:24:16] Who are these guys? Yeah Where have they been? Have I not seen them before? Were they on another world? Did you You saw Donald Trump where he just He sort of pats the head of the minion In Hummel and Two Yeah He just entered
[00:24:29] And was a movie star at that point Immediately Point to the bathroom You're like That guy knows where the bathroom is He takes so many dumps He knows exactly where it is His head is on a swivel When it comes to bathrooms This guy's king of the shits
[00:24:42] So here's my Not to get political Okay But here's my theory about Donald Trump Oh boy So he moved into the White House Remember it was like a big thing Of like Will he move into the White House Or not And then his security detail is like
[00:24:54] I don't know He wants to lock the door And he And then he spends all morning In bed And all that kind of stuff I think he's jacking off constantly Oh wow I think he's got a thing where he's like You can't
[00:25:06] I won't attempt to do with Trump But he's like You can't just wander into my room Whenever you want I'm jacking off in here So he's sort of got a 13-year-old boy Kind of mentality You're saying you think he does Like six-hour straight J.O. sessions Yeah
[00:25:18] It's Jack Off City there In the White House Right And the only time he leaves this room Is when he's like Does anyone have any gold bond? I'm dry Yeah And he's just like Alright, time to do an hour of work And then he goes back in
[00:25:30] You know the crazy thing That's come out Semi-recently Is that apparently why He's like so private about everything And like locks himself in for so long Is that he needs glasses Sure But he doesn't want people to see him He doesn't want people to see him Wearing glasses
[00:25:44] Yeah Right So that's why like no one ever sees him tweet I was holding my phone close to my face I'm realizing That's also why he fucks everything up On the teleprompter Sure That he thinks glasses make him look weak I will say the teleprompter thing
[00:25:56] You know there's that thing Where he basically like If he makes a mistake on the teleprompter He incorporates it Yes Into the sentence Like he meant to say it I mean it's good improv It's like that's 101 kind of stuff It's what I end up doing on
[00:26:07] Every time I read an ad Because I don't want to take another take of it So it's like You just got to incorporate it And work with it You know I respect him for that Something wild Yes It's his follow up to Stop Making Sense
[00:26:24] A mere year after that film Yes It's a Right Or a year and a half Exactly I mean like because he had this So he's this you know Roger Corman filmmaker And then he makes Melvin and Howard Which wins an Oscar And gets a man Yeah
[00:26:40] It becomes the hot new guy Then he makes this movie Swingshift That's this like horrible protracted fight With Goldie Hawn over the cut And they kind of ruined him I would be interested to see that Like what he wanted to do We have it
[00:26:49] And we can slip into it Yeah so Okay it's another movie You're gonna slip to me though I also slip Scott The musical cut of I'll Do Anything Sure Which you have been afraid to watch But you have Don't do it Scott It's awful I mean it's interesting
[00:27:02] But it's not an improvement No I know The Swingship director's cut You're like oh this Oh really You watch the theatrical version And you're like well maybe his version's a little better But there's not a great movie here And then you watch his cut
[00:27:14] And you're like wow editing is crazy Yeah wow okay I've never seen the theatrical so I You don't need to You don't really need to Yeah it's kind of not important But that takes up several years of his life It does And it kills his spirit
[00:27:27] It kills his spirit And he does stop making sense right after that And that experience is sober juvenile to him That he goes this is what I want to do I want this energy I want this collaboration I'm not going to do a movie that isn't fun
[00:27:38] I'm not going to work with people I don't love And so something Wild Mary to the mob Feel very influenced by talking heads In a lot of ways Yes You know they feel like And they both have David Byrne You know collaborating on the music
[00:27:51] And things like that Yes David Byrne's former wife plays The waitress in this Del Lutz who is also in Beetlejuice But yes it I did not know Well yes Johnny And the rest of the talking heads are And somewhat involved Because Jerry Harrison's on the soundtrack as well
[00:28:07] Yeah This and then Tom Tom Club is on The soundtrack of Mary to the mob Yeah But it feels like he kind of takes something from them Of like filmmaking should feel like Collaborative A joyful collaborative It feels like New York City in a way
[00:28:23] This is such a good New York movie Even though it's barely in New York I know I agree with you It's also a great New Jersey movie It is Sure Yeah Even though New Jersey can be very discombobulating Yeah You could end up in a CD hotel Right
[00:28:39] Probably will But this movie becomes the first like Sort of test run of his I'm gonna have fun every time I can't control how the movie's gonna turn out But I'm gonna make sure that making it is on And that tries to translate
[00:28:50] He's gathering all these young actors who are not I don't think like proven names yet Like Jeff Daniels Yes he's done terms of Endearment And Purple Rose of Cairo He's like the one actor who doesn't get an Oscar nomination For terms of Endearment And Purple Rose of Cairo
[00:29:02] Where he's a very late recasting Because that movie was Michael Keaton They shot two or three weeks with Michael Keaton Jeff Daniels could have been Batman I mean Them he and a few things And no The Domino's fall differently Yeah I didn't know that about Michael Keaton Yeah
[00:29:18] It was Michael Keaton There are photos of him doing It's only got two Johnny's here Yeah There are photos of Michael Keaton They said he was just too modern Which kind of makes sense There's something fundamentally very Kind of modern day So when he was like
[00:29:31] You can act you're too modern here Something there Two Johnny's, one Woody I love you Michael But you're too modern I love that your impression is always the I love you It's when he's like apologizing The center I love you The pleading We just Come on
[00:29:48] I know we have to go to therapy But I love you He's so sorry They're walking down the stairs In his apartment or something Maybe he's just He's usually trying to get someone into the bedroom At that point Right Totally above board Yeah Yes Melanie Griffith Yes
[00:30:04] She's a young actress And she's in things like Roar And obviously she's tippy-head and ston-ha I was reading through her Wikipedia And it was crazy how She's like 26 in this movie Is that right? Maybe a little older 27 or 28 But she had already kind of lived Four lifetimes Yeah
[00:30:19] Because she starts acting when she's 13 She's obviously like Second generation Hollywood royalty She starts dating Don Johnson When she's 14 years old And he is 22 Which rules Oh boy A depiction of Don Doris, man Well as I believe I've told you about this
[00:30:37] But Scott have you ever seen Don Johnson Spouse one and spouse two Not named on his Wikipedia page Interesting Very straight He married two unknown women Before he was 22 years old That he does not want to say Or I guess their identities remain A mystery
[00:30:55] And then he married Melanie Griffith twice Yes It tells a whole story An interesting guy And the Melanie Griffith run is crazy Because it's like Her marriage run is like Don Johnson, 79 to 79 Then it's like Stephen Bauer, 79 to 86 Then Don Johnson too, 86 to 80
[00:31:16] Like there's no gap in between She marries and divorces within the same year Every time So it's Johnson Bauer Johnson Banderas And then Banderas Yeah Which always was one of the weirdest Celebrity couples They were together for a very long time But that always felt
[00:31:30] He still loves her Like he's always giving her interviews I've always loved her so much I give her the real use in X, honey I shall bring it in I clear the flam From a third medicine cabinet But she Talk about turning into a star though
[00:31:46] I had never seen her before And from minute one of this movie She also was a star Her only big role I feel like Before this is body double The department That was her breakthrough But she had been in things like night moves
[00:31:57] That was a big movie for her Where she was very young And from the beginning It was very publicly known That she had major addiction problems So I feel like she was one of those actresses Where it was like Here's this up and coming teen
[00:32:09] Who immediately is succumbing To cocaine and alcohol And it's constantly on and off the wagon And she's got the famous mom So that, you know She's got the famous mom She married young Like all of it She was more sort of like In a way
[00:32:22] Before her time tabloid fought her In that sort of sense And then body double Was the one where it was like Oh, this is a real actress And then something wilds the year after that And then working girls the year after something wild Is that correct?
[00:32:36] Or is there two years in between? I feel like working girl is where she finally became The movie star But for me this was it Because I'd never heard of it Totally And what's crazy is I was like, right Working girl is the turning point for her
[00:32:50] She gets the Oscar nominations A huge star And then her 90s suck Yeah Like in a certain way It was these three performances in a row Crystallized Like she worked with three great directors Got three good parts It's so terrible for actresses out there It's fucking awful
[00:33:05] I was working for a company once And we were talking about a script Not my own But someone else's And I was like Don't you think you have to make This female part A little more interesting Like beef it up And strengthen the motivation
[00:33:19] To really attract a good actress And they were like No, any actress wants to do this kind of stuff Like what do you mean? They're like we can get anyone with this Sure enough they did I don't want to say the film
[00:33:30] But they got a major Hollywood star to do it Just the way it was written Because they're so sparse And I can understand Like suddenly your Melanie Griffith You do working girl The whole movie is about you And then another four years goes by
[00:33:45] And there is not a movie about a woman That's what's so nuts I was looking at her 90s And someone else got there Julie Roberts got one But I feel like the legacy was Like from that moment everyone decided She was a major star
[00:33:57] She was like a serious actress To be reckoned with And like a box office force And then you look at her 90s And within two years she's playing Like the wife in thriller Well she's in like She's in Bonfire of the Vanities Which is sort of thriller
[00:34:09] You know which Yeah, sure Right Yeah, Bonfire of the Vanities That's true But you know Survived that movie no problem Yeah, but then she did a terrible accent Her accent She's not great in that movie But it is kind of weird that she's the one
[00:34:22] Who got dinged the most from that In terms of after that Because then it's like Pacific Heights Paradise Milk Money Yesterday nobody's fool She's like the fourth lead or whatever You know And nobody's fool is the best of these movies But her smallest role Moja and Falls
[00:34:38] Remember that one where they're They're all in the hats Yeah They all got hats and guns Where Nick Nolte can't stop fucking women Yeah Well Cecil B Demented is good Cecil B Demented is kind of like Someone remembering that she could be Right
[00:34:52] At that point that's like ten years later And it's doing a John Waters movie Where he's like having to take her To like the outro zones That's the thing is Is there literally A guy can get heat in a movie In an Oscar nomination
[00:35:05] And there are fifty parts That all focused on a white guy Of that age the next year Jeremy Renner suddenly had seven franchises Yeah But for Melanie Griffith it's like Okay I'll play what wife and what You know there's just There aren't the parts out there
[00:35:22] And she has such a specific thing going on You know I mean her voice is like Two specific things Well okay Scott But in this she kinda messes with it And then halfway through She sort of reveals herself More as classic Melanie Griffith Right She has that voice
[00:35:41] That sounds so much like a cartoon animal That there's a natural instinct To put her in sort of the innocent babe in the woods Trying to She has to be like saying things like Oink oink And moo moo Yes Hee haa Hee haa Hee haa
[00:35:58] I know what's interesting I know what I'm saying I know what I'm saying Is this show skip around a lot Is that an audience around Okay so I will say I think she Her look in this movie In the first half of the movie Is so incredible
[00:36:12] And I The bracelets up the arms The bracelets, the dark hair With the bangs And I I realized when I watched this Again I don't know that I ever put this together But I Started dating A woman in 1989 Who was like exactly like this Who has Her look
[00:36:32] And her energy And I think And was very quirky and fun And I I realized when I was like Oh I think I I started being attracted to her Just because of this movie Yeah And halfway through the movie When Melanie Griffith changes her look
[00:36:51] To be more Americana I know at the time I saw it I was like Oh good she's being more normal But this time I was like You don't gotta do that Yeah it's a bummer It's a bummer And it's also when her energy
[00:37:03] Sort of just is depleted after that Like she's not Yeah She doesn't have the same sort of Like to charge Then she becomes the girlfriend Yeah well Ray Liotto's Also becomes the star of the film Of that moment Where she was He mugs Jeff Daniels and Melanie Griffith
[00:37:16] For the movie Yeah I'm gonna be top built Yeah right Yeah As much as I love this movie There are a couple of faults in it I think now with age Me watching it And that is one of them Of the The Jeff Daniels character is the straight
[00:37:33] He says everything is the dorkiest Possibly thing Possible thing that he can say Early on in the movie He is just a complete Dumb idiot Munis But he's Yeah he's talking about munis And she's like what are those Municipal bonds Come on Everything Company plastic
[00:37:50] Everything he says is so lame And yet When I watched it in 1986 It was like Yeah that's me Sure And Melanie Griffith needs Melanie I'm 16 Right and you're like Yeah I'm a company stooge But you know what I mean Of like I was 16
[00:38:07] Didn't know what I was gonna do with my life I'm like yeah maybe Maybe I'll be a huge rich banker Right Those are the options open to me If she's attracted to that But then she One of the faults of the film I think is that
[00:38:20] It is more of a compromise Where he comes closer to her And she comes closer to him But she should not have to come Closer to him Sure It's almost like Hey I'm a white guy Come closer to my world Well this is
[00:38:35] This is my alternative read to that And I had that same sort of irritation The thing I had forgotten Was at the end when he sees her again That she has developed Like a whole new aesthetic persona Sure Yeah what's different about it In that third persona
[00:38:51] She's this weird like old tiny sort of woman I mean she's got this like Old sort of like Studebaker looking Like 40's or 50's car So she's sort of almost like pin up girl Kind of I mean she's It's almost like she's like a Like a debutante
[00:39:07] Yeah I'm trying to find If there's a picture of her Well the second Halfway through the movie When she changes her look Right There is a narrative purpose for it That's the thing This is her at the end Right that's her at the end
[00:39:17] Oh yeah the polka dots Right And the set in gloves And then she's got this Weird old fashioned car Yeah So maybe she's back to quirky there That's the thing Just the mere change of her hair color Is what was annoying to me And style
[00:39:29] On this watch is like Blonde is classic Like that is what is attractive Yeah And so it's her like And the narrative purpose of it in the movie Is for her to like fit into this Americana That's what I was going to say
[00:39:44] Say to her mom and her classmates like I'm doing fine I'm doing fine I'm successful And yet in the movie It serves the purpose a little bit to me Like saying hey Americans Who are going to watch this movie Don't worry she's going to come closer to you
[00:39:58] Than you have to go get closer to her aesthetic Well see if she didn't have the final look I would agree with that But I feel like the fact that they're like No but left her own devices She finds a new quirky persona to adopt
[00:40:11] Is like she's not being cured Quote unquote It is more like It's not like the breakfast club And so much But if he went closer to her aesthetic Yeah And he sort of he does But even if he's wearing the sunglasses
[00:40:22] In the wonderful scene in the convenience store With wearing her sunglasses With the Romanus for lover shirt All that is great By the end of it I will say like He looks so fucking cool Sitting in that window Yeah with a white like members only jacket
[00:40:38] And yeah he's got a He's got a fucked up arm or whatever But he looks like he's in less than zero Or something like He looks so good and he looks so cool But he doesn't look quirky in that moment I think And if he were to stay
[00:40:50] If he were to If he were suddenly to be like Look my life has changed so much That I I think when you When you have a relationship That's a lot of what it is Is like both of you Finding what you love about the other person
[00:41:04] And incorporating that into your life And I don't know that he incorporates As much of her life Into his life As much as he says Like I'll put up with it But you also at that point I wonder how to flock a seagull's hair cut
[00:41:16] That's what would have made this A totally new wave kit You know his suit is like Still very cool looking when he When he gets it Although the white shoes are definitely I will say like I I tried to dress like him
[00:41:30] And Matthew Maudine and Mary to the mob When I was 19 And I had a blue suit And I had white shoes And I had saddle shoes I would buy like you Saddle shoes in a Thrift store And I was basically trying to dress Like those two guys
[00:41:42] And you had a Rube Goldberg type device Around your bed To be able to dress as quickly as possible The socks were positioned at the foot of your... I mean I will admit like Because right It is sort of silly that his big change
[00:41:53] That he puts on a brighter blue suit But I was at a suit shop like a year ago And they were really trying to get me To wear an electric They were like Come on this is popular And you were too scared to do it
[00:42:04] And I was too scared to do it And I was like Well no I mean And I do work everywhere When I was 19 And I wore this like You know blue suit And these white jazzier shoes And I was looked at as quirky So it's like
[00:42:16] But it's the barest You know Most minimal change That a man has to do in order to like For have people looking at him going You're not normal You also go like You don't know exactly how much time has passed Well his arm is healed by the end
[00:42:31] So I think he quits his job When in the immediate aftermath When he realizes I mean I have more to say about The themes of the movie later But I think I think so much time has elapsed By the time they actually get together
[00:42:44] At the end that it's Right I mean you talking about like The way a couple takes things from each other Meets more in the middle And you know sort of shares sensibility And all that He's like kind of one foot in
[00:42:55] One foot out at the end of the movie Because he still kind of is afraid He's never gonna see her again You know Like he's sort of taken slight elements From her And it certainly affected him Yeah But he's still chasing women down alleyways
[00:43:10] Trying to confirm whether or not They're Melanie Griffiths Right I do also to this point about Are they supposed to be with each other And how much Why do they like each other I think that this is all in that That general theme for me
[00:43:27] I do think it's one of the films Slight flaws But thinking about it Yesterday I don't even know if it's a flaw But I just wanted to bring it up Of the fact that There's never a scene in the movie
[00:43:39] That was cut out where the two of them Even get to know that much about each other's lives Right, because the first 45 minutes of this movie There's no conversation It's fucking and it's like excitement Let's do this now And when they talk they're both largely lying
[00:43:55] To each other Yeah And so I never really got a sense of why Why he would fight for her Other than she represents something That he could get from another partner I've been jolted out of my Being asleep in not only my relationship But in society
[00:44:19] And I can go now use those lessons With anyone I meet Why is it her? So much of it I think is just an energy thing Not just the energy between the two of them But the energy each of them puts out And that to some degree
[00:44:33] They represent for each other The things that they are lacking in their life Sure At that moment It's like the catalyst Right, they each represent She's wild and free And so he's sort of fond of that And he's this sort of like normie
[00:44:48] She can sort of correct and mess with But also like they are both Misrepresenting themselves in a way And he actually is wilder than Yes Than what she thinks of him And vice versa Right, exactly And so Demi's whole thing is Like let's peel the image back
[00:45:03] And look at the people underneath as well Sort of like slow the movie down Which I think sometimes You know can sort of baffle people Like well the tonal shift Yeah and thinking about it yesterday When I was thinking about that being a flaw
[00:45:15] I also was thinking you know what It also is a movie where just When I was 16 I was not confused about that And you may say it's because I was 16 And I was identifying with the Jeff Daniels character Because of my position of privilege
[00:45:29] And it's like well sure Yeah of course they would have wanted to And sure of course she would like him Because he's the leading man He's the leading man Jeff Daniels look at that chin But at the same time when I say it's a movie
[00:45:37] I mean it is a visual medium And there just can be unspoken things Maybe they don't need an entire scene Where they say oh the reason you're right for me Is this and the reason I'm right for you is this
[00:45:48] And this run of Demi Kamey's is so much about That sort of aesthetic reality You know through the aesthetics and all of that I also feel like you know to some degree They're representing things You know they're representing ideas But the other thing I think this movie does
[00:46:05] That is really canny And it's striking watching this How many movies have either knowingly Or unknowingly ripped this film off In the preceding 30 years The following 30 years right Where this is like such a well worn Like oh it's like the uptight boring guy
[00:46:21] Who meets like a crazy spontaneous woman She like takes him out of his comfort zone And all the ones that have followed since Have like The manic pixie dream She's like an archetype for something That's not an archetype yet But this movie like kind of creates the archetypes
[00:46:36] And then everyone else sort of reduces them Where both of them are so much more layered And nuanced than that Where it is like The fact that he is lying and trying to pretend That he is more normal Than he is
[00:46:50] And the fact that she seems so crazy and spontaneous But she really wants someone who's normal That she can just kind of fuck with And when she finds out that he is more fucked up Than he's been pretending That's a bummer to her
[00:47:05] And also the standard definition of the manic pixie dream girl Is the like complete lack of interiority She only exists to show up And affect the other person's life This sort of Natalie Portman in Garden State Kirsten Dunst in Elizabeth Town And you're like Finally an interesting woman
[00:47:22] You know all those boring women you know There's boring women, these women But this film not only gives her like So much interiority But also gives her a clear pathology Where you understand why she spends The first 40 minutes of the movie acting like a lunatic
[00:47:39] It's not just because she's a quirky film character It's because this is someone who is like Actively running away from herself And her own life and needs to create personas And live in this sort of impulsive way Well also she got with the bad boy
[00:47:53] Who is like a monument, like a cocaine golem Right, who's just like all energy And she's like Yeah I did that and that was awful So what about like Could I find a normie You know to sort of mess with and corrupt
[00:48:06] But also like that's not going to pull the switchblade Now here's my question I had In the Quikimart I remembered it being this way And then rewatching it It was more unclear to me Do you think she from the moment she sees him In the coffee shop goes
[00:48:21] I need a guy to bring to my reunion This guy is a good model Well I think it's when she sees him You know not pay That must be the one trip service Or do you think it's more in the hotel Right that's the question
[00:48:37] Is she picking up guys Right, because I don't think she has a plan The entire time I think that's a little too Like she becomes an incredible genius At that point of like you know She's got a master plan
[00:48:52] I think she's sort of living by the seat of her pants A little bit away And she has sex with him in the motel And it's good and he has that phone call He has the phone call where he actually proves
[00:49:05] That he you know instead of just going Like get me out of these handcuffs right now You have my boss on the phone He goes along with it And I think she's excited by it But there's a part of me that wonders If that's all testing
[00:49:17] Not to make her sound like a criminal mastermind But she also strikes me as the kind of character Where she unconsciously right Maybe Would never admit this to herself But that's sort of something she's worried about Right, yeah And knows that to some degree
[00:49:31] Whether or not she would ever connect these dots herself That she wants to show up at her reunion With another guy because of the looming threat of Ray Even though she thinks he's still in prison That it's like a risk she doesn't want to
[00:49:43] Well I think part, it's not just Ray though She's this person who's like Like a great demie character, very empathetic And she can read people very easily And she knows what her mom wants her to bring through the door
[00:49:54] What she does not know is that her mom sees right through it Which I love Yeah an amazing moment Because in a normal movie I think Her mom would just be a flat wallpaper character It would be a comedic scene of like
[00:50:05] When is her mom gonna find out the truth And instead her mom knows it from the jump And there's no term to it There's just a cut, they're washing dishes And she goes so you have like a real wife at kids Like that's the entry point
[00:50:16] But I think it also could be That she's on her way out of town And she gets more into this guy The more it goes along And it pops in her head I think the day of going to see the mom of like
[00:50:32] Well why don't I take him You know what I mean I think it's a slow, I think on both of their parts It's a slow like learning to like Other person more and more as they hang out And they're kind of playing chicken too
[00:50:46] She's like well what if we did this And he's like okay, like I do that Like they're all She's like well now you're my husband in front of my mom And he's like okay sure She's just constantly throwing him into the deep end
[00:50:56] What's the name tag line where He's like I never really had a strong opinion about them When the girl is like Right, he's willing to go with stuff He doesn't need to wear his sort of Jeff Daniels label But she is, I mean she's a very scared character
[00:51:11] Despite the film setting up initially as like Whoa what a fearless woman to do anything at any moment She's putting him in handcuffs all that kind of stuff But there's these larger substantial things That she's incredibly terrified of You know her ex husband And maybe her mom too
[00:51:25] Her mom I think too, the way that the people who actually know her Will judge her Her classmates, all sorts of stuff Is she afraid of what they think of her If she moves to New York City and she gets a Louise Brooks Bob
[00:51:35] You know and all the bangles And the crazy car and whatever A ton of bangles I will say also having Here's something that happened at my 10th year reunion Congratulations by the way Yes thank you so much You made it Everyone came in kind of like
[00:51:55] Putting on airs and trying to be the most successful versions Of themselves much like Melanie Griffith does In this movie And I saw someone who was In high school was one of the like Popular girls who never Talked to me and I started talking to her
[00:52:09] I was like so what's going on She's like well I don't have a job I just moved back in with my parents And it was so like she was just so alive In telling the truth That it was like incredible
[00:52:21] I was like this is the most fascinating person here And Melanie Griffith does not Have the courage to do that In this movie Jeff Daniels is more terrified of the little things On a day to day basis And she's more afraid of the bigger things That
[00:52:37] And when you you know anyone who dresses In sort of that outsized way is created that much Of a persona is ultimately Trying to take control You know Much like the way you're dressed today Yes we should mention I'm wearing a zoot suit
[00:52:53] I had feather in your hat You also have a green mask on I don't know exactly what's going on I have a green mask on somebody please stop me You were smoking I can't remember what I recently read the comic All these years later very different
[00:53:09] Something wild comic Yeah it's based on a star comic Oh boy No but I was going to say It's that thing of like You want to control what people think Of you I'm going to establish such a strong persona And such a strong aesthetic
[00:53:27] Totally it's that thing where it's like Whether you like this or not You can go oh wow that girl's wild It's also fun I was a punk I like dressing up It's also a way to sort of signal to other people
[00:53:41] That's the point, it's a signal to see people But you're signaling to people like this is who I am You cannot come to any other conclusion about me You can like me or hate me But I'm showing you exactly who I am
[00:53:51] You can't place a reading on me I will say that I think I wish there was one scene where he It is beautiful the way that she Takes down her walls and gets rid of that Like The distance she puts him at
[00:54:05] But I wish there was maybe one Scene where he got to know her a little bit More other than just All the fake stuff you know what I mean It doesn't really ever slow down in that way This movie The one scene that bums me out
[00:54:19] And I wonder if it's like you could have removed That scene and put this scene in is the one where She gets really angry at him for lying I think we both feel That way about those scenes It's my least favorite type of scene
[00:54:31] Where they suddenly are in a movie I just put one into a movie I directed Look I get it I just I just honestly is what bothers me I want people, movie characters To look me in the eye and tell me the truth No
[00:54:47] But it is always kind of like a frustrating Slow down part of the movie You know Yeah I don't know I'm not putting your scene on No no no but I As someone who just had to do it
[00:55:01] I didn't have to do it as much as you need Characters To be at odds with each other And when you're doing What I did which is a comedy movie Which has like the Mirror Kind of a very threadbare plot Sure
[00:55:19] It is a shorthand a little way to like be able to have Drama and scenes Between characters is like well one of the characters Is lying to the rest of the characters And then You're poking at these conventions A little bit but you also need characters
[00:55:33] To be mad at each other and for the movie That I did we shot several scenes where they're mad For different reasons and that's the one that's stuck You know But I do agree I get a little like okay come on You're not
[00:55:47] But I'm a very logical person too So when I see someone Like her saying like you are lying to me In my head I'm always like Well you are lying too this doesn't make any Logical sense It's very obvious why he was lying to her
[00:56:01] There's a certain sort of psychology That makes sense to her being like I'm the one who lies I feel betrayed Because I picked you because you seemed honest But it is still very hypocritical Of her to have any judgment She drives off and literally stops
[00:56:15] Two seconds later so it's the best version And then throws the gun in slow motion Like there is a weird Reversal to her being angry because she's essentially Saying like I thought I was sleeping With a married man with kids and that was part Of it for me
[00:56:29] Which is really funny Because to a certain degree I wanted to be the one who gets To lie And I thought you were lying about And being exciting while lying Instead you're just lying all the time I think there's a certain security to her being the one
[00:56:43] Who lies and right And putting him in the situation where He has to lie Instead suddenly she's the one who's being Has been manipulated Right, she's been controlling his narrative The other thing is I think she likes The idea of him being A married family man because it
[00:57:01] Puts bumpers on That means that he can't fall for it He has to go back to normal life So we can and Rayliotta shows up And says get the fuck out of here And breaks his nose The easiest thing for him to do at that point
[00:57:15] Is to be like I don't need this I ran into a door honey It's such a good touch I had forgotten all the stuff With his wife and kids in the movie Not having seen it in a handful of years And
[00:57:31] When there are the scenes early on where he Steps away to call his wife Yeah and you hear the busy signal Yeah and I was like what a weird Did they just not remove that from the soundtrack Was it like cause it was a real payphone
[00:57:43] Like I had forgotten that was A pointed plot thing And I thought it was like a film goof Oh one of those film goofs Did you check the IMDb goofs page Flubs and goofs But it is such a good detail that
[00:57:57] At that point you're ostensibly supposed to take him At face value and he's selling That phone call so hard But that's the first time where you're like oh shit Something weird is going on Something wild Something wild And it's just so scary and dangerous Of course yes
[00:58:15] So I will say when If we're talking about theme I think the other thing that Was really hammered home for me this time That I was watching is I'd always known it's about A guy who learns to loosen up or whatever
[00:58:29] And so when I was 16 I was like Yeah Quirkiness is okay embrace it You know and that was sort of where I was But this time I was really Every scene is based On society Not loosening up Every scene is about the conventions That we have in conversation
[00:58:49] In politeness There's a scene in What is it The Daniel Craig movie The serial killer Fincher movie It's called Skyfall No is it When he's a ruthless serial killer I wanted to say Zodiac for some reason I think it's about a lot of times where the killer
[00:59:09] At the end Daniel Craig knows he's the killer And the killer season was like Hey how's it going? And Daniel Craig doesn't want to let On that he knows he's the killer And he's trying to get away and he's like Hey come on inside
[00:59:25] And he comes inside and then gets trapped In the murder room And the killer goes why did you come inside You know that I'm the killer It's just fucking society You have to do something you have to be polite Now I'm gonna murder you
[00:59:39] And that's what this whole movie is Is like society as a construct Has all been built on these agreements Between people Which is that when you See someone you're polite to them And you have a nice conversation With them When Ray Leota comes into the film
[00:59:57] And starts gradually poking That kind of stuff and says like She must be great in bed right And then she puts a stop to it and is like We don't talk about that All the way up to the point where Where Jeff Daniels has just gotten
[01:00:11] The shit beat out of him and he's like Handcuffed to a chair And he says to Ray Leota like Violence isn't the answer Ray And you're gonna find that out sooner or later And he just sounds like you know His parents talking or something Becoming like moralistic
[01:00:27] It's like the end of the G.I. Joe episode Yes, he's moralizing to this guy And was just how every scene is about That is about Society has been built on these Agreements we make with each other That we are not gonna go crazy
[01:00:41] That we're not going to flip out That we're not going to break the rules And every scene is about That until finally The end where he You know, I know he doesn't kill him Intentionally but where he You know realizes that Violence is the answer
[01:00:59] Like what a beautiful Demi touch That it's all faces And that also it's Ray don't He sees him turn around too quickly He knows the knife is out He has no intention of killing this man But I just like that it's all in their faces
[01:01:13] You don't see the knife going in or anything And the only blood you see is When he does the hair The hair model is so fucking cool Roger Cormoran Apparently taught Demi Like with the villains Tell them they're the nice guy Keep telling the actor
[01:01:31] And Demi will keep going up to Leota And be like you're the nicest guy In this scene, trying to pump him up You think you're the hero here That was apparently his big move It worked so well I do think what you're saying is
[01:01:45] That's the larger thing this movie is interested in Is like why does anyone Behave anyway Anyway, why do we do the things we do And then you know This being normal It's sort of cliche that he quits his job But at that point, I think
[01:02:01] Jeff Daniels' character realizes That everything is a sham And everything that he said The entire movie and the character He's been playing to Melanie Griffith To his wife, to everybody To society The characters we all play to each other Are basically just bullshit
[01:02:19] And so why not just be whatever he wants to be I mean they're both people who They really are They're dealing with it in very different ways Which is what I think they Find in each other It's also why they're both attracted to Leota
[01:02:33] Because he is very much like I know exactly who I am And I am in charge of everything He's just a shark, it's so clean Obviously she's afraid of him when he re-enters But Jeff Daniels is attracted to him He wants to hang out with this guy
[01:02:47] And that scene where the cars pull up next to each other And the other Wall Street guy is like And Rio Leone is like Pizza, get out of here By the way, the wife's performance in it She's the lead singer of Suburban Lawn?
[01:03:01] She is so funny in the movie So funny and I went down this rabbit hole Because I was like who is this woman Her energy is so weird So I looked her up and saw that she was The Suburban Lawn singer There's this whole thing online
[01:03:15] About the fact that this is like her last Appearance in anything ever She released no new music after this movie The group had disbanded She had done the one EP The one LP and then had done a solo album This movie and then she disappears
[01:03:29] And there's like vast online Communities of people trying to Figure out what happened to Sue Tissue Because she kind of was The root of it seems to be Their album was years before this movie It's 81 I think This is her last thing And her only acting role
[01:03:47] Was not in big because Demi directed Their first video Which then aired on SNL Back when SNL used to just be kind of A collection pot for like Penn and Tyler can do a routine And play someone else's short film
[01:04:01] Which would be so cool to see come back What were you going to say it's rooted in Well I think what's interesting Is I was reading all these different articles I found like 20 different articles Of people searching for Sue Tissue And all of them come down to
[01:04:15] Searching themselves writing the article Or someone writing about the phenomenon Of how many Facebook groups there are looking for her They all seem to be that she Represented this Kind of Lulu-esque figure For Dorky dudes who saw her Perform or saw her on TV and were like
[01:04:35] This seems like the wild alt girl Of my dreams So she's the manic pixie dream girl For them The sort of like public agreement of You will remain a front facing person You will continue doing art I don't need to know you personally
[01:04:49] But I will continue having a relationship With you through your music And your on camera appearances and whatever The fact that she disappeared And turned her back on all of that Right and none of these guys are coming at it from this possessive angry way
[01:05:01] But it's all clearly rooted in This was my dream girlfriend When I was 17 years old And I have no idea what happened to her And it kind of drives me crazy Maybe she's a teacher Maybe she lives here Maybe she does that
[01:05:17] It's also just hard to not be traceable Well I mean she's using a Pseudonym They know her real name now I mean it's public knowledge And they still haven't been able to find her And even like her bandmates Are like the last time I ever
[01:05:33] Saw her was the day we agreed to break up the band There was no communication Which is a year or two before This movie even Just on her performance I do have to say like it's not The performance a lead singer of a band Would normally do
[01:05:49] It is so underplayed It's so just real in a way It's really an incredible performance Especially for this odd like post punk Like very radical sort of like performance She's just playing such a normal person And it's really wonderful In a movie with lots of
[01:06:05] I mean John Sayles and John John Waters are popping up playing One line And Tracy Walter who's like in most of the Demi movies and is a couple years away From playing Bob the Goon Always plays these kind of like Scummy sort of unsavory types
[01:06:21] He's the chicken guy Who makes her yes And then in this movie he plays like A liquor shop owner who acts like a British Really really He's dubbed in that scene And I can't tell why Like I Because he talks normal when he's on TV He talks
[01:06:41] He does this regular voice when he's on TV But when he's in that scene they Have looped the scene with him Talking British I can't tell if it Why I've got a pipe already They might have to justify the pipe Well I also feel like it was like
[01:06:59] They felt like the scene needed something So they brought him in and they were like Ah yes I do remember that That's the The limit The scene needed something wild He is Also inexplicably like a fifth Build in this movie He gets single solo card
[01:07:19] I think Charles may be our angry chef His fourth build Well this is something we've talked about watching all the Demi movies Is he's one of those directors where Every single actor with more than One line That's great The feelies Sister Carol She's great
[01:07:39] Who is also in Mary to the Mob as well These two movies are quite I failed to put that together Of course Speaking of the casting One other thing that I have Was very inspired by Not this last time I watched it But the time previous to this
[01:07:57] And it sort of ties in The comedy bang bang TV show This is one of the times where this In Pee Wee's play house to me The way that Jonathan Demi Populates the world of The movie Is not the way that directors were doing Yeah
[01:08:15] Back in this time period My wife and I sometimes will be watching movies And like If we see An Asian Background member or person with one line And then 100% of the time They are Asian for a reason Sure Meaning I was watching Smoky and the band
[01:08:35] Recently and we were like one of the truck drivers Was Asian and I was like whoa Asian And then he screams bonsai You know They've never just cast an actor Who happens to be Asian So there is a thing where Back in that Time period
[01:08:53] You felt as a director like you had To explain why There were these reasons Why you would cast a person of color in this And it would be distracting if it wasn't A white person and you felt like you had to Explain so for instance
[01:09:07] Even in quick change like All of the black people in the movie Are there to be intimidating Sure It's code for when they pop up It's like oh we're in a bad part of town You know what I mean So but this is one of those movies Playhouse
[01:09:25] Extra material When the Blu-ray came out It was just something that kind of seeped into my Subconsciousness about how Jonathan Demi Just is not concerned With He's not concerned with like populating the movie With people of color for No reason just to do it
[01:09:43] He's more concerned and this is where It differs from Mary to the mob in my opinion He's concerned with reality Right He wants to make every Every time that you get to a new location There'll be something like the rap group Practicing outside the convenience store
[01:09:59] And he's a director Who lives in New York City and he sees this Kind of stuff and so he's like I think that's fun When I see that on the street So I'm going to put that in front of the convenience store But it also is very real
[01:10:13] Like when Jeff Daniels parks at the church Yeah And the little girl who comes up to him Like he's doing it just to do it It just seems like that It's the most real background casting I've seen in a movie Maybe ever It just feels like life
[01:10:31] Every situation feels very lived in It feels like he was such an appreciator of Cultures And culture at large And he liked being able to put as much in the stew as possible All the music He's using a lot of reggae Latin music The 80s and the 90s
[01:10:49] Especially like the village where he's living Is so much a melting pot of everything Yeah And it really was Something that I was sort of dealing with On the Comedy Bang Bang TV show in a way Of With that show we got to cast whoever we wanted
[01:11:05] We usually didn't audition people that much Unless it was kind of a specialty part Where we needed something specific And we didn't know a UCB person Who could do it In the first year that you sort of find yourself Leaning into your Biases a little bit
[01:11:21] Where people you know best Let me give you an example We had to cast a cop in something And they come To you at a moment Who do you want as a cop in this thing You have to search through your mental roll-a-dex
[01:11:35] Of people you know of who you want as a cop So your automatic thing Especially when you're doing comedy Is to say who is the most Imposing white guy I know Right, who is the guy with a mustache And broad shoulder And then you start going Like
[01:11:53] Well does it have to be that And then you go Well we're doing a comedy scene So If we're doing a comedy scene they're all based on Tropes of previous comedy scenes And society tropes And stuff like that So you find yourself when you're doing comedy
[01:12:11] And you're like Well no we can't have it be a woman Or anything else because Then you would have to explain it too much Right And the joke wouldn't come across That's the excuse you start to give yourself Sure We need to make this as simple as possible
[01:12:29] Yes, right So then the second season I was just like I watched I think it was then that I watched the Peewee's In no way would Larry Fishburne be the obvious choice of life Yes Who's like an old western And what's her name Who's the male person
[01:12:49] Reba, the male lady, Esipatha Yeah, Esipatha, yeah All of that and they were talking in their interviews about I never got the opportunity To play this kind of character Right And so I just basically started saying like Fuck it It never is It's just confusing to an audience
[01:13:09] When I saw something wild I was not confused Of like what are all these people of color doing in these minor roles Yeah And sometimes not minor Like the guy in the convenience store is so funny But And they're not trying to tell me anything other than
[01:13:23] It's just that would be the truth in Virginia Of who was doing these things, you know So I started doing that on the comedy Banking TV show where it was just like No, we'll just we'll cast Whoever we want and no one ever said With anything about it
[01:13:37] Because no one is ever confused by it ever again No, it's like a thing that I think Doesn't get talked enough About with Key and Peele Which especially in the later seasons They felt It seemed like they felt very emboldened to just be like We'll write whatever sketch
[01:13:53] And we'll be the two people in it Whether or not this would be a sketch About two black guys And it goes from being like the first season Which is very much based on like race Because I think that's the Trojan horse they used To sell the show
[01:14:07] Where by later seasons it's like They're playing German Nazis And they're playing like British game hunters Continental breakfast is like all that stuff Right, but there are like certain sketches Where they're like this literally could not Be black men Based on this time and this geographic region
[01:14:23] And the positions they have and all of that And they just were like But it's a fucking sketch And we'll wear the costume and do the access None of it's real Have I talked to you about Armando Inuchis movie
[01:14:35] At the David Copperfield movie that's coming out next year Where he has cast He has gone to the full extreme where Characters of color are Parents to a white child Or vice versa He doesn't care, like there's no effort To sort of have things line up
[01:14:51] Generationally or anything like that He's just like I'm just casting actors who I like and that's it And we were doing that in comedy Bang bang and similarly We were casting Like I want to be very non-specific About stuff because I don't want to necessarily
[01:15:05] Blow up actor spots or whatever like that But we were casting some parts Similarly of The offspring of Someone else and we were like Do we need to explain to the audience Of like that they're a different race Or whatever like that no one ever cares
[01:15:21] Like everyone just season goes Oh adopted or like makes whatever Mental connection they need to make In their mind and no one ever gives a shit And there was one point where a director came up to me Or maybe it was a producer
[01:15:33] Or something and was like do you think we need to explain To the audience why this is happening And I was like no just go away Then you never do I mean it's that thing Like in the Josh Trink Fantastic Four movie Where it's Michael B Jordan
[01:15:47] And Kate Marr siblings And you're like this is cool And you're like totally with it And then there's one moment where they're like They do explain to the movie That's right you don't have to Right and look the movie is not good
[01:16:01] But you're totally accepting the two of them As siblings and you can create whatever backstory You want in your head or not think about it because it's a Fucking made up movie about people who turn to fire Only human tortures A person who turns into fire
[01:16:13] But the second they say Back to Jonathan Demi though I love this movie for that of Just not only does he put A fun aesthetic into every Location where there's an interesting person who You know a lot of times It's John Waters or whomever His buddies
[01:16:31] But it just gets Very real to me And every scene feels very lived in In a way that you would not be able To write into a script I can only imagine The script didn't have Any of these kind of details and that's What a good director does
[01:16:47] A good director comes in and adds A whole aesthetic to the movie Makes it a very fleshed out Lived in world which I really appreciate He is such a great case study What does a director do To a certain degree if someone asked me
[01:17:01] That question I would pick a Demi movie And go like It is so clear what he is contributing Here because certain people Whose thumb prints are More visible It also limits what they Do where it's like well but they're only Picking material that conforms to their
[01:17:19] Sensibility and he was so good at adapting To all of these things He said he was drawn to the script because It had that tonal shift And he's just like no one's handed me A script like this, like I just there's
[01:17:31] No one is doing this right now and this Movie is coming out year after After hours and it's the same year That's the other movie that feels like really Of a piece with But those movies are different But after hours in this both feel like
[01:17:45] They're coming out of the same sort of All escalation, like it's just like things get Crazier and weirder and crazier and weirder And it's all one night and it sort of almost feels Like a dream he's having
[01:17:55] And also the key to after hours is that he's kind of A piece of shit, like the movie doesn't 100% And then Blue Velvet is a little slower And is a little more like right let's take a peek It's sort of the underbelly but that's the same year
[01:18:07] As they are sort of companion movies in a weird Kind of like that fall scene Yeah, Blue Velvet has that tonal shift Mid-scene, which was very Very confusing to me because I saw it the same year 86, yep And I will say I walked in five minutes late
[01:18:21] The first time I saw it was Kind of confused But I was laughing during scenes and I was like Oh this is bad I'm laughing because this is bad And then the second time I saw it I was like Oh no I think I'm laughing because It's intentional
[01:18:37] There's that notorious Roger Ebert review Of Blue Velvet where he's like I can't handle what they're doing to Isabella On board with the tonal shifts He's like I love this person and then you're Torn into her I don't understand why they're applying this craft to making me
[01:18:51] Feel this uncomfortable Which people just sort of had to catch up to He came around on that This isn't as sadistic but like Ray Leata Is Sort of a sadistic character Once he enters the movie everything is Sort of like itchy It is, okay just talking about construction
[01:19:09] Now And in order to get Jeff Daniels to murder Ray Leota Without the audience Turning their back on him It's a delicate construction of something I wonder If there is a version of this movie Where it's not an accident That Ray Leota runs into
[01:19:29] Into the knife would that be interesting I also think the fact that you then Ray Leota basically Escalates His assault on Melanie Griffith Basically he's going to sexually Assault her in that scene And that's why it escalates a little bit I wonder was that necessary
[01:19:47] That's sometimes a crutch for Most types of movies So I wonder if it would have been When I was 16 I maybe wouldn't have liked it If it wasn't an accident It's like a cold blooded murder You took my woman And if that wasn't part of it
[01:20:05] Where he's going in there And saying okay fuck it everything I've said about violence I'm throwing it out the window because she's about to be Raped It's such an interestingly Complex moment too because He's anti-violence But also in this moment
[01:20:23] With the stakes and the danger being this high He does pick up the knife And he holds it out in front of her I think he is not anti-violence anymore He's ended the movie Just realizing that that's something people say He's standing there trying to figure out exactly
[01:20:37] What he's going to do But he's going to use that knife in some way Whether it's just to threaten him Or to try to stab him in a non-lethal way I mean he's choking the guy to death I don't think he's choking him just to knock him out
[01:20:49] You know what I mean Can I read to you a demi quote This is an interesting quote about this He says when he's reading the script There was this theme of the flip side Of putting on your needsuits And committing a certain kind of financial violence
[01:21:03] In a company And the dark side of that guy is Ray Who's more of like a fundamentally violent person Who solves problems With his fists I added the with his fists An interesting question Is like Ray Liotta basically Is out there They're both inflicting financial violence
[01:21:23] They both have financial reasons for doing what they're doing And just Jeff Daniels characters Are socially acceptable Right And that's one thing that he figures out And why he quits his job They don't explain it but probably He's certainly paying for his meals
[01:21:39] By the end of the movie So that's it So he's learned one lesson Can we talk about how funny he is In this movie by the way There are two things When I was 16 and I saw this That me and my friend would do all the time
[01:21:55] Which are When he's on the bed with Melanie Griffith In the Maracas and shakes him And he just suddenly mimes goes And like shakes it I thought that was so funny And then when she says to Melanie Griffith says to her mom That he's handy around the house
[01:22:13] And he mimes a hammer and goes It's like just two parts That made me laugh so hard When I was 16 and Matthew Maudine Has a lot of those types of scenes And there's the scenes in Married to Mom Where they start
[01:22:27] And then they start to bring for Tony the Tiger It's a little extra real To cartoony But it's more the tone of that movie I like that movie a lot I just seeing this Everything is so real in it Other than
[01:22:43] The parts that get married to the mob to me are like John Waters Saying now we talking And stuff like that But I love Married to the Mob too This is so tightly focused to It's really just these two characters
[01:22:55] Married to the mob is more of a big goofy ensemble That people are coming in and out But it's that thing you're saying I'm now just thinking about that Blue Velvet after hours Married to the mob Something wild trifecta Where it is like
[01:23:11] Let's pull back the curtain of normalcy And start acknowledging how weird things are Like how fucking weird people are And all these things we refuse to actually talk about That we're all thinking or feeling or doing Which was an 80s thing
[01:23:23] But because the 70s what were they dealing with They were just dealing with like Everyone drop out of all this bullshit Well also the 70s are the first movies Where they're like yeah society is fucked up The war, mental illness These are the movies where we can finally
[01:23:37] Put this on the screen for the first time The 80s were this weird revival of a certain 50s-esque sensibility Of like we have to Right and that was rather than In the 50s it being like a sense Of traditionalism like this is proper
[01:23:51] In the 80s it was also hidden behind this Sense of like achieve, succeed Like have the status, have the wealth In 1986 when I was seeing this I'm seeing it in Republican Orange County I... hi to the Reagan era Hi to the Reagan era
[01:24:07] I mean everyone involved in this movie From the people on the soundtrack To the director, to the actors are Ostensibly not enjoying What's going on in politics at the time And that is Most movies that were coming out at this time
[01:24:21] One of my favorite movies of all time Back to the future One of the biggest flaws of that movie Is his happy ending as he gets a truck Right And he goes and the music swells And he's like aw man And he's got a nice truck
[01:24:37] And so many movies are about Financial Success And having more than Your neighbor has and all that This is one of those first films I think that I had seen that was About saying like hey no It's not about that He kind of throws it all away
[01:24:57] But not in a weird, triumphant way Where the movie is unambiguously He doesn't have the scene where he Like Kobe Bryant takes off his jersey And throws it Seems thoroughly depressed by the end of the movie But he's got no safety net
[01:25:11] But he's just learned none of that Was actually making me happy But he's president He's bragging about it all the time And he doesn't give a shit And where his after hours ends with him Just showing up at work sitting down in the work day begins
[01:25:25] And that's more the sort of like Well nothing is going to change By the way I like the scene where Jack Gilpin, Betty Gilpin's father Says How do you figure a guy like Ray Such a good line My interpretation of it because Jeff Daniels doesn't
[01:25:41] Really have an answer Well I'm a guy like Ray You know, like I killed Ray And it's society It's acceptable in society The way that it happened but We're no different But it's also that whole, I mean Jack Gilpin's So good in that
[01:25:59] He just looks at Jack Gilpin and he's like Oh you don't get it yet He's got such a face But there's also this whole thing with the Jack Gilpin character Where like You know He's so freaked out that Melanie Griffith is going to Expose him
[01:26:15] To Gilpin which at that point To his boss to everyone But he's so mortally terrified about the fact that Gilpin is there at the reunion He has to see all of this, he can't deny it He can't reframe it And also the fact that
[01:26:29] Gilpin has been talking about him behind his back He doesn't even know that Like he's so obsessed with his image And being like hey vice president everything's cool The fact that Gilpin has been saying behind his back Like oh this guy's destroyed He wants to maintain
[01:26:43] A thing that he doesn't realize this guy Is mocking him for Right and then immediately He's like whoa this guy Right he's so impressed, he's like who fucking knew You know like what a good rea I thought this guy was done
[01:26:57] And throughout the boy that he keeps on like now He's like well let's get breakfast Let's hang out more That's what the great thing is Even that is a sham He's leaving, he's finally You know it's like you've gained my respect again And it's like
[01:27:13] And that guy who attacked you is like so different Than you, how do you figure a crazy Fucking guy like that And it's like well you just don't get it yet You're not maybe ever gonna get it Well the other element too is like
[01:27:25] How do you figure a guy like Ray Is like look that guy's violent and scary And now with the end we came to I know I don't want to be him But also I don't want to be that sort of like Unattached to anyone's expectations
[01:27:39] Or perceptions of you You know how do you get to that point Even if it's to a negative end Where you are living that honest A life where Ray just doesn't give a fuck Yeah he just does what he's gonna do
[01:27:51] He does what he's gonna do at every single moment Another movie this reminds me of In a weird way is A movie that also ends with a bloody Confrontation in a bathroom Which is fatal attraction the next year It's kind of ending it's all like
[01:28:07] Stark white and then blood on the tiles And all that but that's the movie where At the end like and they originally They shot at the Glenclothes killed herself And that was that and everyone was like It's not juicy enough so they have it
[01:28:19] The Ann Archer like shoots her and then We're like back to normal like that Movie is very much the opposite of this Where it's like thank god The mom she's been purged exactly And society is back to where The last shot is like Michael Doug
[01:28:33] Like rests on it and it's like it's okay Like don't worry the monster Yeah if there's a monster in your life You can kill it as well Well that's what I love about the fact that she's Affected a new persona at the end of the movie
[01:28:45] Where it's like he didn't cure her He didn't bring her to a normal state That was more her trying to impress All the people who she actually cares about In terms of judgment I do think the blonde hair I wish she had gone back to the dark
[01:28:57] I agree, I fully agree And that's not for me like going it gives me more I just mean to say that This is just a great look I just mean to say blonde Was code in the 80s For like the blonde cheerleader The all-american dream girl
[01:29:13] The John Hughes like lexicon Visual lexicon very much Right and it is that thing it's like It's the same as the Allie Sheedy thing Where you're like it's kind of annoying that The movie, the breakfast club ends with them being like
[01:29:25] Well but now they like fixed her right It was so easy she could just be But it is thematically appropriate in the breakfast club Because that is what they all Can't I just be normal like oh my god That is what's actually driving Most of those characters
[01:29:39] But it's not a costume for her at the end It's her going like Look guys, that was a phase I've cleaned up But the fact that this movie ends on I feel like this take on the character that is Her real self
[01:29:53] Is the self that is constantly looking For other personas Also it's fun to dress up Yeah of course She looks fucking cool at the end She might change She might change her style five times over the next Five years but that is the real version
[01:30:09] Of herself as the one who is constantly adopting New styles And why shouldn't people Like the cars she drives Her style, she looks fucking cool She should be able to do that That's not her like putting on poses or whatever That's like her knowing how to dress
[01:30:25] And she's like Why wouldn't I do the things that are most fun Why would I worry about the things that feel Realistic or normal or standard Rather than making every scene the most interesting Could be hiring the most interesting people
[01:30:37] Laying in the most interesting song on the soundtrack Colors too, every color feels very vibrant And married to the mob as well Every location Where if they're just going out to dinner It is an interesting location That's so incredible to me Of like
[01:30:53] If you've just made my movie You go out on these location shoots And usually don't have a lot of money And so you're just Like I was watching the scene where the guy pulls up To the where Jeff Daniels is hanging out
[01:31:05] By the pay phone and he pulls up On his motorcycle with the dog in the back Yeah And I'm like Oh, I would They would try to talk me out of that On my last movie because The dog is a lot of money The motorcycle is extra
[01:31:23] All this kind of stuff that Even the car in the Between Two Ferns movie We had to settle for what the car was Because We needed A double for the car In another part of the country And the car we had settled on which was really unique
[01:31:39] And fun, they weren't going to be able to find That car on the other side of the country When we shot over there And they gave me three cars to choose from And we're like We have to pick one of these three
[01:31:51] Because those are the only that we Just getting into those kind of things And watching Demi basically be able to I'm sure it was a discussion But that was important to him And he made sure that the resources Were allocated to make sure that they could
[01:32:05] Get the dog in the motorcycle Because he happened to see that In the credits, I think it's a famous guy With a motorcycle dog or something That he was like, that's awesome Let me put him in the movie And he was in a way of stuff that
[01:32:19] A normal line producer would be like Do you really need this in the movie? And for Demi, it's like, yeah we do I read a review, I think it was maybe a Married to the Mob review I've been reading so many reviews
[01:32:31] From the time for all these movies That I've been watching them And someone referred to him as The great collector of cinematic Brick-a-brack And there is his aesthetic of When you briefly see Mel and the Griff It looks like a tube boots, of course It's like everything
[01:32:49] But even the scenes That take place in relatively normal environments He finds ways to put things Like that in Put different types of people Different energies, different activities Even a scene where he goes and confronts Ray Leota The cops are there That's a way more interesting restaurant
[01:33:07] Than would normally be in that scene And When you're scouting locations like that You are sort of I was very attractive I actually wrote a lot of the Between Two Ferns I wrote it while we were shooting A lot of times and I would write
[01:33:23] A scene because our location manager Eric would bring me A really interesting location So you would write to it In fact, the whole scene on the swans In the swan boat was not written It just was like We had another scene
[01:33:39] That we had to do in that area I said bring me other stuff in that area So we can fill the day And he brought me that lake And I looked at it in the swan boats And I just started imagining a scene
[01:33:51] Of the two of them on this swan boat It's very inspiring That's the cool part about making a movie Sometimes and I think that's what Jonathan Demi seems to have done Is like Just getting inspired by A place that seems real Because when you're writing a script
[01:34:07] And especially back then, everyone who wrote a script With no real Life experience Anytime I read a comedy script nowadays I can always tell it's like A 28 year old Comedy writer who doesn't know anything about life Right? Who's like great at jokes Knows nothing about life
[01:34:25] But when you read a script It's all very much like A writer can't even imagine An Interesting place to put a scene in No, you know what I mean All they've seen are other movies And so they write what has been in other movies
[01:34:41] Which is the diner or whatever it is Don't they often literally say like X place in X movie A lot of times it's like that And so for the Ferns movie What was interesting and I feel like We were doing it sort of like what maybe Demi did
[01:34:55] Is just, I said to our location manager Eric, just bring me interesting places Yeah And then I'll write the script around that Which some of them didn't work out Actually Lauren Lapkus' character's house We had Was so interesting And just the most
[01:35:13] Nuts place we'd ever been to in the middle of nowhere That had Every room was decorated Different and was so crazy And there was a massage chair in one room I was like, okay we're going to do a scene where she's like in a massage chair
[01:35:25] We ended up having to even just cut out The shooting because we were so over budgeted I was like, we don't need anymore in the second act But that's what I see in Demi And he's like I don't know That it's the reverse for him
[01:35:39] Of like, okay we need a restaurant Just find me interesting places As much as he sees places and goes I want to shoot there someday Yeah and I think there's also like the brick-a-rack element Of just him like collecting things I mean it's talked about so much
[01:35:53] That like he was so part of Sort of the Lower East Side Art scene That he was going to all these shows And then the solo-dex is filled with the sort of Yeah, in terms of like Why not have Cecil Carroll be run the diner
[01:36:07] And then sing a song Yeah, sure Which by the way the other recurring element In the movie is the song Wild Thing Which I think is really interesting David Byrne in his opening theme Works it into the song Which sets the scene When they pick up that family
[01:36:25] As they're driving they sing it a few different times In the car and it's all like different cover Different energy, different energies And then she sings this incredible Reggae version at the end Which is not lip syncing Which is great because the version on the soundtrack
[01:36:39] Is actually very different than the one I was trying to find I just have to rip it Oh I have the soundtrack No but I mean the version from the movie From the movie, yeah It's one of those annoying things You never think about how Wild Thing
[01:36:55] The lyrics include the words like Over and over again Like if you slow that song down it sounds very tender It is the theme of the song Wild Thing I think I love you Yeah Thanks for singing that You have a beautiful voice
[01:37:11] Share it with the world more often And that's just to point out The script is basically what you're saying E-Max Frye, he wrote this in film school He was in his 20s And Demi just picks it off a pile And E-Max Frye has a pretty
[01:37:25] He isn't an interesting person He's in the order video He's an artist Originally when I When I watched it a couple of days ago I was like who wrote this? I bet it was A script that was just kind of normal That Jonathan Demi Demi eyes
[01:37:41] But I actually think E-Max Frye is a more Interesting person than that He finally got an Oscar on me for Foxcatcher Which is sort of wild and may have been a situation He wrote on The Alienest and Band of Brothers And the script also might have been like
[01:37:55] He wrote it a long time ago and it got Sort of like picked up and rewritten I remember reading interviews at the time Where they were explaining the process I mean he was trying to make that movie forever But I think Ben and Miller
[01:38:07] He wrote like Palmetto and Wear the Money He wrote these sort of like hard boiled Late 90s movies He also he wrote and directed in Most An Annual I've never seen that Which is one of those things where you're like This premise is so risky
[01:38:21] Is there's kind of something in there Do you know what the premise of Amos and Andrew is? I'm going to show you the poster Amos and Andrew is I'm trying to remember how this is set up exactly Nicholas Cage is like A petty
[01:38:35] Yes, I don't need to see the poster I remember it, I never saw it He's like a petty thief I think he's pretty similar to his like Raising Arizona He's a scumbum But the main crux of the movie He's reaching over to take Samuel Jackson's watch
[01:38:51] Right on the poster The main crux of the movie is that Samuel Jackson lives in a fairly wealthy Suburban neighborhood He's like an intellectual, right? He's like a writer And the next door neighbors who don't know they moved in See him bringing in Their stereo system
[01:39:09] And think that a black man is stealing the stereo system From the next door neighbors And so they call the cops and it becomes a complete Like sudden death swat surrounding The house situation Very funny situation And somehow Nicholas Cage ends up in the house with him
[01:39:25] The entire premise of the movie is that he is actually a criminal And no one thinks he is And Samuel Jackson's in his own home And he's being surrounded by cops The movie is not incredibly elegant An interesting theme
[01:39:37] I don't know if it lends itself to a comedy these days No, not necessarily So yeah, I'd love to know Yeah I feel like what I'm hearing Oh yeah Ben and Miller had been trying to crack FoxKitchen for a long time And couldn't
[01:39:53] And then hired Emax Fry because he was such a big Fan of the Something Wild script To take a pass at it I wonder how much of the script Made it into the movie For this movie or for something Well, I have to think
[01:40:07] I just don't think that Him as a young guy in film school would have written Seem like the one in front of the church Or the little girl comes up and asks if he's okay Or even the convenience store Seem like a lot of it seems very
[01:40:19] The way the convenience store scene That he stays there and it escalates Like maybe you write the beginning of that scene But then Demi's like I feel like here's what I think probably happened Is in the script He goes into a convenience store buys binoculars Right
[01:40:35] And that's about it And instead in directing the film And maybe it's giving Demi too much credit Not enough, but it just seemed very Every scene seems almost heavily improvised In a way Definitely, but the bones of the script are so solid
[01:40:49] I think the movie is so perfect Structurally Even just the fact that it's like I know you were saying that you wish That they revealed a little bit More of themselves to each other But there's something kind of nice to the fact that
[01:41:03] You as the audience member don't know Any more than they know about each other That you have the exact same amount of information That the introduction is Just him trying to Stiff the bill That it's this perfect little tiny meaningless
[01:41:17] Act of rebellion at the beginning of the film That like sets the stage for everything Not being circled back around at the end I wish I knew why she likes him Other than he's revealed him And this is True when two people are honest with each other
[01:41:31] And sort of strip away All the artifice from their life That can get people closer People fuck all the time for no better reason Than they want to fuck each other He's a cutie He and Modine are the two Tall, floppy Golden lab boys
[01:41:49] I mean he, Daniel's really He's such a dog He is one of the funniest actors who's not Iscensibly like a comic actor Well that's what's so funny about Dumb and Dumber Is no one wanted to put him in that movie
[01:42:01] And when I saw Dumb and Dumber I was like Oh he's being funny again finally There's that crazy story where everyone told him Not to do Dumb and Dumber And because he wasn't quote unquote a comedy actor They paid him 50 grand To be in Dumb and Dumber
[01:42:15] You know how Jim Carrey got 7 million Jim Carrey's been doing this for like 5 minutes Doing movies He had two big movies earlier that year The other problem is they I read they never locked in his Dumb and Dumber contract They meant to lock it in
[01:42:29] Before Ace Ventura came out And then They took too long and the Week opening weekend it came out It jumped up And then every weekend after that it kept jumping up a million Until finally they were like okay 7 million But he was supposed to be like 100 grand
[01:42:45] Before Ace Ventura came out Cable guys 95 and that's 20 million That's how quickly that all It's that one year In that one calendar year 3 massive 100 million dollars Ace Ventura was in like spring Dumb and Dumber at the end And it was like yeah The numbers are like
[01:43:07] It goes from him being like 100,000 guy To like a 750 guy to a 7 million Guy or something like that But Jeff Daniels is just like I think I'll be good in this And everyone's like you're not gonna be good in this They're like taxing him
[01:43:21] They wanted him to turn it down That's why they offered him 50 grand They were trying to insult him But he's arguably the best actor He's so funny in that movie That's not the movie where Jim Carrey I mean he's funny but he doesn't leap
[01:43:35] Like I don't remember his parts as much In that movie No and I feel like Jim Carrey has been very open about the Factories like the whole thing was like Daniels and I together Sure Coming off of two movies where it's just like Jim Carrey
[01:43:47] Being Jim Carrey and everyone else Just sort of like talking at him And going oh you're being weird Right, but that movie is so much like It is bizarre watching that movie and remembering When you win scenes of emotion in it Yeah, cable guy is 96
[01:44:01] I just wanted to correct the record I'm sorry because he does the Ace Ventura sequel in 95 It is interesting they don't overdo it though No I think it's like a good balance But you're like Ace Ventura literally has one scene Where he drops the Ace Ventura stuff
[01:44:15] Where like he feels bad about whatever he did to Courtney Cox I don't remember what it was All I remember is he goes Into the room to go like hey And almost to apologize and the Ace Ventura character Is dropped and then she's kidnapped
[01:44:27] And so he doesn't have to do it But it's like a bummer whereas like you have that one Like I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired They always talk about that scene About how everyone wanted that scene cut Yeah
[01:44:39] Jim Carrey and everyone fought for it to be in there Because they said well this is the point of the entire movie Which is interesting The characters are so fucking dumb That you at least need to Like understand what's driving them emotionally Yeah
[01:44:53] And the students make sense on a scene to scene basis Watching this And you know Theatrically released studio comedies are barely a thing anymore Yeah But you're like could you imagine if you went to a theater To see what was ostensibly a mainstream Studio comedy film
[01:45:09] And there was a movie with this much Personality I don't know if anyone I don't I know why I saw it I don't know why anyone in the world would have seen it You know what I mean? It was marketed
[01:45:23] You're right look at the poster it's marketed like Hey this is gonna be a fun time And Married to the Mob was the same thing I feel like he was trying to like make a hit And in both cases they did okay
[01:45:33] And then weirdly did better with critics And he was like no I want to make something mainstream Like I think he felt this pressure to make Something that connected with audiences And yet then he's like He makes a serial killer movie that everyone else is like
[01:45:45] This is too gross and that's the one And then his AIDS drama is a blockbuster Like he makes two on paper Incredibly on commercial films Sure I mean Sounds like Lambs was commercial film I mean that was a big best seller
[01:45:59] But it's so I mean you think about This is too much We would rather watch Silence of the Lambs Than this fun married to the Mob Wait you told me this lady's married to the mob Yeah I'm out Meanwhile should we play the box office game
[01:46:13] I feel like we should wrap up Yeah I feel like is there anything else we want to talk about There's a little moment it's just a tiny thing I want to call out But when Ray Liotta has sort of captured Melanie Griffith and he's driving her into
[01:46:25] The motel they're going to stay at There is literally a garbage fire New Jersey Yeah there's just a That's coding for New Jersey Garbage can on fire and it's such a part of Is there not a pepella group around it? No that's how dire things are
[01:46:41] Not even a doo-wop group will surround this garbage can But honestly that's That's the kind of thing That again back to this point Your line producer would try to talk you out of We need to shoot we don't have time I went to scout this
[01:46:55] Diner and when I went to scout it It was when just the regular People were there and I I saw this woman in a wheelchair there Like an older woman And I and it suddenly brought Back all of my memories of like growing up
[01:47:09] In a place that had a lot of diners Like this and I was like oh that's what This is a place that families go to And this is a place where it's like This gets You know grandma out of the house And
[01:47:23] You know as hard as that is for her This to my Mind shitty diner You know a place that I would never like If you were like hey where do you want to go out to lunch
[01:47:33] I would never even think about but that's the special place for them And so I said you know make a note of it When we shoot here I want to have An older woman in a wheelchair Because that just made it real to me And
[01:47:47] That became a problem They were like there's no need for it In the script Why do you want this It's going to distract It's going to cost this much money Why are you going to watch this And weirdly with the blocking
[01:48:03] The way it ended up being she is not in frame It's such a bummer To me that's the interesting thing Of trying to do that balance of make something Real and make it a fully lived In world that people are going to recognize
[01:48:15] And go like oh I understand why you're shooting here Other than just some place pretty I think that's Well it's also the thing I feel like people who Haven't like you work on One film or one tv show And your Perception immediately shifts from
[01:48:31] Why aren't most things better To how does anything ever end up Good yes and so much of it is In the way that you were saying like They don't want to cast an Asian actor Unless it's explicitly in the script
[01:48:43] That all the things that kind of make a movie transcendent The little unspoken things The things that aren't overstated The details that are unnecessary but build out the world Are things that 15 B encounters come And go we really don't need this It truly is not
[01:48:57] The studio or the producers a lot of times It's time You're fighting against time It's allocation of energy and money And you're thinking about like Sometimes it's like where are we going to find This person like I The guy in Fargo the Asian actor in Fargo
[01:49:13] Was so funny and he's like Speaking in that Minnesota accent And I'm like you know It may have been they just found the right Actor for the role and happened to be Asian Or maybe he was Asian in the script I don't know but I'm imagining
[01:49:27] In the script of being Asian And someone coming to me as a director And saying like I don't know where we're gonna find this person Is just gonna be too hard can we just compromise And make it you know It's so difficult everyone in every position
[01:49:39] Has so many things to think about at any point in time That very often people are trying to find The path of least resistance and want to pick Their battles very sparingly and to have a movie Like this where there's like this much Demi in every single shot
[01:49:51] When there doesn't need to be When there is a very very simple conventional Version of this movie The opposite of it is the opening montage That's the flip side of it The montage is all these New York shots And they are not the pretty
[01:50:05] I was watching kind of going These are not pretty New York shots Like there's that famous Not seen but part of The book about Bonfire of the Vanities Where the second unit guy Goes off and gets a Shot of a plane landing
[01:50:21] And spends like a ton of money on it And they're like what the fuck are you doing This is not even gonna make And he's trying to do it right at sunset He's trying to get the plane landing at sunset And it costs a ton of money
[01:50:33] And they're like this is not even ever gonna make it Into the movie Why are you spending this much money on a plane landing Shot and it's in there for like a quarter of a second Meanwhile like Demi Is doing a montage trying to
[01:50:45] Set the scene of his movie And the shots are not the star The song is the star He's making a music video for this David Byrne song He is and that's what's interesting Is like it's suddenly the shots are Pretty and they're not really
[01:50:59] Interesting shots of New York so you start focusing on What is essentially a theme song To a movie which is something they don't Really do anymore. And he's letting David Byrne Set the tone for the movie that's about to follow About to follow, yeah. I noticed
[01:51:11] So the score for this movie is Laurie Anderson and John Kale. Yes. And John Kale had done the score for Is it K.H.T. It's one of the early Corman movies. Right and Laurie Anderson did Swim to Cambodia Which didn't have that music in The introduction. Right.
[01:51:27] Did they, do we know did they Do it together? I don't know if it was a collaboration. The music is fairly incidental that The score. But once Ray Leota enters The entire score changes The tone, the instrumentation I wondered, I couldn't find
[01:51:41] Answer to it but if it was like You cover the comedy half, you cover this I don't know which one did what or if they were working together And everything. Yeah he uses a lot Of pop music throughout the first half Of the movie and then
[01:51:53] In fact when I saw they had done the score I made a mental note to try to listen to it And I don't remember any of it until really Kind of the final scene It becomes, right that's the scene where it stands at
[01:52:03] The most is in the bathroom but it becomes more Of like a synthy thriller score Yeah. Okay Box office game. Movie, yes, yes Box office game. I think it's a great movie. I think it rules I really love it. It's been so much fun watching these movies
[01:52:15] The 80s output. We haven't Really done the 90s movies yet. I love when A chef runs out that trope Chasing them. That shot also Lasts our friend. Charles Napier. I rate chef that's his credit. That shot lasts so long
[01:52:31] Like you keep on going like wow they're really making Charles Napier run here And he's running for like 45 seconds into Traffic. Yeah. Can I also say that that reminded Me of the fact that the car Shots in this movie are done really Well, I
[01:52:47] Just directed a lot of car stuff And was trying to figure out how to do it In A way that was like aesthetically fit in for Our movie. But on a technical level It is hard. There are only so many places
[01:52:59] There's only so many ways. That's what our script supervisor said To me at a certain point she said Everyone always tries to figure out a new way to do it And then finds out that there is only one way to do it But
[01:53:09] I watched, I had never directed a car scene Before or really anything So I watched a lot of different Ones and the squid in the whale was one that I was trying To sort of base all of our car stuff on. But
[01:53:19] The interesting thing about the car stuff In this movie is it's all real It's all done practically which is very Important to the reality of the movie I personally do not like Car scenes in, they're in big budget Movies now where you can tell it's a green
[01:53:33] Screen. Yeah, looking at the road It's crazy. It affects the performance Not even looking at the road or anything It's like they sacrifice they go We want to, it's usually We want the actors to be able to focus on the Not having to drive around
[01:53:47] A moving car, you know So they usually sacrifice it for there Or for some reason they want the shot to look Prettier. Right. To me it is a bad trade Off. Yeah. The reality of the car Shots in these movies is so great
[01:53:59] You can tell they're there and that scene Where Napier is chasing them is so great It's just, it's a practical shot Of the car Outracing this guy running at him He's running as fast as he can They're driving. You just watch him lose
[01:54:13] Every moment. But the one thing I want to say About the car stuff that I thought was really interesting I had never noticed before is the fact that Demi shoots it From different angles When he first gets into the car and then
[01:54:25] All the way to going to the hotel He shoots the three Parts of that, three different ways Yeah. And so he does French overs the first Thing And then he does close ups From the front To each person and then the next time he does it
[01:54:43] He does the two people in the shot close ups From the front And I think he's doing it Probably to make them not Look samey. He's breaking it up that way But I also wonder if he's doing it intentionally In order, like usually you do a French
[01:54:57] Over because it's like you're Peering in on a Conversation that you, it's a little more You know like oh wow we're going to let you into this Thing that, but it's Interesting. I wonder if he did that intentional Yeah, I mean like
[01:55:11] Sans the Lambs is the most extreme example of it But his coverage always feels so intentional And in a way that you know he had to fight for Because people would be like we don't need this Shot. This isn't an effect This isn't an important thing
[01:55:23] And it's not just him collecting coverage for the sake of having Editing options. It always feels like He has very specific setups that can change Within a scene to reflect The shifts in the dynamic Between the two people talking
[01:55:35] They're doing a car thing and I don't know what tunnel It is but basically they could have gotten away With not shooting in that tunnel You know and probably annoying Probably annoying to everybody but he Knew he needed To feel like this character Is leaving his world
[01:55:51] It can't be A CGI thing or it can't just be like Oh we'll shoot it inside the car. It doesn't matter You need that energy at that point in the movie What a good fucking director Last thought Ray's apartment reminded me of
[01:56:03] A lot of the kind of houses That I hung out in Growing up and it was like I don't know It was just weird to see it on the screen And thinking about her character And escaping the hometown stuff I was like
[01:56:19] I was kind of happy that I'm in New York City And have moved on with my life Seeing that It is interesting I could tell this time That That's a set and also the hotel where they first Hook up. That's a set as well You know
[01:56:35] So much of it is so real The part where Jeff Daniels is looking at Going not much of a view and she comes over to kiss And he like Shuts the curtains then it turns into a set Which is like great But
[01:56:49] Yeah. So you're saying directing a film Is ruined movies for you essentially? No I mean everywhere I would talk to some of my crew people About what they focus on when they watch movies Our script supervisor is like Are you just looking for flubs the entire movie
[01:57:03] And she's like yeah a little bit One thing that in our movie I kind of Because of the way we were shooting it was like We cannot pay attention to continuity You know He shot a Peter Dinklage Interview in the afternoon And then everyone changed clothes
[01:57:21] Because they're getting on the road Also knowing your priorities where it's like You're not going to throw out a take Especially if there's this much improv Involved where something magical happened Continuity that's the Like watching Goodfellas I watched it three times that summer
[01:57:37] And the third time I watched it I was like Oh shit this is a continuity nightmare But he just doesn't care Cigars go in and out of Cervino's mouth From behind like he'll have one in his mouth On his close up and then it cuts to behind
[01:57:51] And it's gone I was in the pilot for vinyl The worst thing Scorsese ever directed Oh yeah that was pretty bad What were you doing again? I think that is a through A phenomenal career That might be the worst thing he's ever put his name on
[01:58:07] Put his name on right But he was great So you know I watched it it was bad And he just he sort of openly said he's like You know I'm so jealous of these people Can keep track of that kind of stuff You're paying someone to do it
[01:58:21] Yeah I don't know how to do it It stresses me out too much I'm not the guy who's going to pick the takes I want But he would like talk about that He doesn't really care though And then he'll throw in continuity errors
[01:58:33] He said that even about spatial geography He was like standing in a corner And he was like pointing his fingers at different things Speilberg is notoriously the guy Who walks onto a set and he's like Of course the cameras will be here
[01:58:45] And Kanavali was like what are you doing And he's like I can't figure it out And he was like you can't figure it out And he's like I'm no good at it And I don't know I don't know That thing never makes sense to me
[01:58:59] It's kind of incredible how Martin Scorsese Go like I don't understand the 180 rule Yeah I was trying to figure it out on my movie And you know I'm so happy That Megan Rutledge who is my script supervisor And my DP Ben Kosolki And my first AD Kazi Lehmann
[01:59:15] They all like sort of helped me every scene And they were trying to say like Well normally you would do it this way But once I would be like I just see I see it being over here And they would go well that breaks the line
[01:59:27] And I would go I don't know I just see it And there's stuff in the movie I'm not saying like I'm a visionary They don't know what they're talking about But they did say to me like Well if you see it like who gives a shit
[01:59:39] Let's do it and there are scenes in the movie That technically break the line I think But they're really Vital to the movie It's also like if you're making a comedy The angle that will make it funniest Should trump Sometimes I don't even do it that way though
[01:59:55] They're just like interesting angles That I'm like I feel like we should get it from over here And I think I was wrong a couple of times Because there is one shot of Zach In Will Ferrell's office that was like
[02:00:07] I need this to feel like a bigger space Can't we back up And we only use it for literally like A second and a half Because I don't think it fits with the rest of the coverage You know so I'm probably wrong and I wasted time doing it
[02:00:19] But anyway Alright so the box office game I'm gonna look at the top 5 for 19 November 7th, 1986 I tried to guess the box office because I'm a weird person with a broken bearing This movie opened at number 7 1.8 million dollars Kind of unlucky number 7 Of course like 8 million dollars
[02:00:39] It was not a big hit And it got some golden globe nominations And nothing else It got actor, actress, supporting At the golden globes Ray Liotta feels like he should have been a slam dunk Oh yeah I think when I watched it
[02:00:53] Because the LA Times talked about him so much That's how I knew about any movie Or album was the LA Times They talked about how he's like Suddenly makes this big splash I was expecting him to win the Oscar But it is that crazy thing as you said
[02:01:07] This is the only demi movie between 1980 and 1993 To not at least get an acting nomination 1997 Beloved is the next one Everything between Philadelphia and Melbourne and Howard including those two The supporting actors that year were Michael Cain For Hannah and her sisters who won
[02:01:25] The two platoon guys, Barenger and Defoe Dennis Hopper for Hoosiers Which is sort of like a double num with Makeup for Blueville And then Deadly, Elliott and Remerie of You Which is sort of the weird one But I think that's like oh well
[02:01:39] Great old guy we love him Alright so number one of the box office Seven weeks in The most successful film of the year, Bar Top Gun So it's the second highest grossing film of the year Remember a couple episodes back
[02:01:51] When you told me that Top Gun didn't do well In theaters? You don't have to go back to that No but I want to draw you a little bit here David argued that Top Gun didn't do well In theaters and only connected on VHS
[02:02:03] I was swapping it with another thing Risky business Pretty risky move I remember my health teacher I had a student TA Period so I was like back in the Teacher's lounge for a period And I remember my health teacher Wanting to know what kind of movies I liked
[02:02:21] And he's like have you seen Top Gun I'm like I'm not gonna see Top Gun He was like what are you like I was like I like something wild And there were certain movies back then That I intentionally did not see
[02:02:31] That I still have not seen to this day Top Gun is one pretty woman Like all these films that I was like Everyone talks about how much they love it The Avengers of their day Pretty women I do want to see Top Gun eventually Especially before the sequel
[02:02:47] Should I see Godfather? Yeah check it out Good boy watch it What was the second most successful film of 1996 That's what I'm trying to think Of the year I believe it's been number one for like seven weeks It's a pretty cool movie I guess Ben likes it
[02:03:05] No that's the next year I believe That's a seven? No Beverly Hills Cop was Beverly Hills Cop is like 84 Yeah That's Murphy right after he left SNL Beverly Hills Cop is the first post SNL thing Yeah But that's not the movie we're talking about It's 1986 it's a comedy
[02:03:25] It's the second highest grossing film of the year It gets an Oscar nomination it's a total out of nowhere hit If I save a thing that it is It gets one nomination It's a real strong character type It's a really strong character Like an archetype
[02:03:41] It's a crocodile dundee And it gets nominated for best screenplay Did you see crocodile dundee the other sort of As a student of comedy I think I did I know I had it on tape I feel like I caught up with it on cable
[02:03:53] And taped it on cable It's a real quotable movie Give us one That's not a knife I like how you started your impression On the second knife That's not a knife This is annoying That is such a weird fucking phenomenon It is it's crazy
[02:04:15] I also love how like Australians Were like yeah he's like not a big deal Here I remember watching the Paul Hogan show on Channel KCOP In LA Because there were It was very weird there were a couple of shows that were like Export or imports rather
[02:04:31] From other countries that would show Titties or something on local television Which no one was really checking in It was very weird Whenever my parents would leave My brother and I alone In the house And this is like in the early 80s
[02:04:47] So the Paul Hogan show was one of those Just assumed he was like King shit in Australia That was the thing everyone was like He must be their chief export They're giving us their finest And they were like no he's like He's one of the guys
[02:05:03] He's like the Wayne's brothers For us Number two it's an Oscar winner It's a major director who we talked about on this episode I feel like When this is coming out It's kind of slumming it for everybody But this movie is great
[02:05:19] Now you watch this movie I feel like you have a great time It's not Scorsese It is Scorsese It's after hours It's a little bit him I think being like I need to make a hit It's a sequel Oh color of money
[02:05:35] It's in the way that you use it I like that movie I'll tell you what he said to me about that movie I didn't realize you could make money making pictures Sure that's the first one Yeah someone came up to me and said
[02:05:47] Marty you can get paid for doing this The third one is Number three is a comedy that I feel like I've seen is sort of like An ultimate example of Hollywood defensiveness Oh it's not It's not soul man
[02:06:01] I don't know what anyone else would say about that movie Yeah it's the one that people can't believe Actually exists In the 80s They were doing it There's a little bit of Well no we're commenting Number four is much like The color of money
[02:06:19] A major director being like Crowd pleasing Is it a copula? Is it Peggy Sue got married? Which has a young Nick Cage From Amos And Jim Carrey Nick Cage is so fucking good in that movie Yes he's incredible in that movie
[02:06:37] Number five this is the one I did not know It's like A drama like an adventure movie made In China like made in China Filmed in China starring white guys You know like Some kind of Period Adventure movie I've never heard of this movie
[02:06:55] It's based on a book I've never heard of it It's a Dilarentis production It was like incredibly controversial At the time I think it's fairly racist I think the Chinese government completely objected to it Ting Kong? Match most of the clues he just gave Fair enough Who's the
[02:07:17] Jesus Christ I think I know What movie you're talking about now I'm trying to remember the name of it Scott do you know this movie? Oh no Wow jeez tell me the title Tai Pan I was just looking at it I was like
[02:07:33] There's no way these guys know what this is But it was popular that year? No it was a bomb This is its first week and it came out the week It's number five Everything else? So it made more money than something
[02:07:45] It did and it never heard of it And Jumping Jack Flash is number six Hey whoopee But thank you for coming in Yeah thanks I really love this movie I've loved it now for almost 35 years Yeah 35th year anniversary will be In a couple years Yeah so
[02:08:07] I enjoyed watching it again I enjoyed examining what makes it work And Thank you for having me on What a pleasure We've talked a lot about How much Unconsciously we started out Ripping off everything from you Cause you were kind of like the ur text
[02:08:27] In terms of funny podcasting I think for both David and I Almost everything that's good about the show is some distillation Of something we ripped off from you And almost everything bad about the show Well sure At the end of the day We're just ripping off Jackpaw
[02:08:43] Yeah we're all just ripping off Adam or Steve And watch The Between Two Ferns movie on Netflix Yeah if you want to see a movie Where obviously I don't know what I'm doing Go ahead and watch it And County Bang Bang and I don't know anything else
[02:09:03] You'd want to plug You're touring right now but I guess That'll be over with you Cool And freedom I love freedom It's out on Thursdays probably now while you're listening To it for free There is a scene in Between Two Ferns The movie that I find so funny
[02:09:23] That I find the scene itself funny but the thing I find Funniest is knowing how much Time and energy and money You must have put into it It's the end effect of the McConaughey Oh yeah a lot of Right where I think what's actually
[02:09:39] Happening on screen is funny But thinking about The logistics of planning that You know we built A fake set That we shot most of the public access stuff And that is the fake fake set We built a second hallway for that stuff It's incredible On an angle
[02:09:59] That's nuts So we rebuilt that set on an angle So that the title wave could Look better and they could Flow down that hallway It's not When he floats by the window Yes that's another part that I have a video I want to put it out with Ryan
[02:10:17] Gull who plays Cam in it I've talked about it on his episode of Comedy Bang Bang Where we talked about the movie about how he could Not stay underwater longer than five seconds So there's a shot of him floating Dead underwater and
[02:10:29] We have used as much of it As we can but I have a video of the Thing where he gets pulled down by the divers And then Like opens his mouth And then immediately like swims up to The surface But yeah a lot
[02:10:45] I mean it's pretty crazy what I was allowed to do On this movie and where all the money went I cannot believe they allowed him To do this It's a blank check Sort of it was Yeah I'm not receiving another one But come on
[02:11:01] Well thank you all for listening Please remember to rate, review, subscribe Thanks to Andrew for good for our social media Joe Bowen and Pat Rounds for artwork Leymont coming for our theme song Go to Tee Public for some real nerdy shirts Next week we have
[02:11:15] Remind me of the chronology here Star Wars Episode 9 Oh boy Yeah I mean Christmas next week's Christmas Next week's Christmas and a merry one To all of you a Skywalker will rise So Nice. Get ready for that. Yeah and then get ready For 2020 as we continue to
[02:11:33] Toggle Jonathon Demi for several more months Sounds like Lam's good movies coming up Good movies, good episodes in the bank So stay tuned For that And as always You guys don't have a sign off? You may have something on every time
[02:11:55] I try to think of the opposite of what you do Except you crowdsource it Which makes it easier and as always what's up hot dog That's right I was trying to find the longer version When he starts talking about That rebellious act of financial Maneuvership he did
[02:12:15] What is it? Come on Rather be a live dog Than a dead podcast That was the other one I was thinking of I don't even know the first one That you said It's when he's in the car and she's been pegging him
[02:12:29] As a rebel and he owns up to it She's pegging him. It's after that long Like 45 minute pegging scene Yeah And he goes I'm forgetting the term he uses but he's like Everyone told me not to sell this thing and I went out and I sold it
[02:12:43] Oh yeah, right It's some stocker bond I was trying to find that longer one I think that's such unis Right and he says it so casually like she knows what he's talking about