Something's Gotta Give with Bobby Finger

[00:00:00] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David, Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check I podcast, yeah

[00:00:22] Well, I podcast you too. If that's what you said, I don't know if it ends in a, yeah, it's a true I podcast you Great. You're not like anybody Yeah, what's a Keanu line? Uh, I recommend it If you can walk up the stairs, you can make love

[00:00:43] This is your best work yet Don't you love being with a man who isn't intimidated by your brilliance? This is good Right, Mike? Do the set up, the line where he's like, it appears I've been set up, stood up or something It appears I've been set up

[00:00:59] Because I think people make him too, too spacey No, he's not spacey Keanu impressions usually make him sound dumb He's extremely, extremely relaxed And he's varied, there's a solidness to him He's very centered

[00:01:13] It seems like Jack Nicholson could like pull a gun on him and he just sort of be like, well, I don't know Right, because people like overdo the woe when they do Keanu's but it's like Sure, woe And they go like, whoa, like, you know

[00:01:25] That's not him, but especially in this, he's tempering it with a medical degree Hello, I'm a doctor I'm 36 He's 36 I'm realizing I'm good at this because the other impression I'm weirdly good at that no one does is my Joseph Gordon Levitt I think they're kind of similar

[00:01:39] Do him now Yeah He's in this movie This is a totem My totem is a loaded die, only I know the precise weight and shape of my die Is it just like a five? It's really good

[00:01:51] Is that what it is though? Like when he rolls that die, it's like five, great Not treatment That's how I know I'm not in a dream Get record, Joe She has the pawn, she makes a pawn and she knocks it over

[00:02:03] I'm like, that's your totem, you just knock the pawn over Little basic Right, I don't know, I feel like I can fake that I would make like a transformer Where it's like a real complicated process You know what I'm saying? It's not just like does it fall over

[00:02:15] And it's like, have that gravity, there are other factors here Transformers like only I know the precise way that Bumblebee turns into a Camaro Soundwave Yeah Soundwave and his tiny cassette friend, Frenzy Great, that's the nerdiest thing I've done in this episode So far Yep

[00:02:32] Hello everybody, my name is Griffin Newman I'm David Sims It's a blank check with Griffin and David, it's a podcast about filmographies Directors who have master's success are rolling on their career In a given series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want

[00:02:45] And sometimes those checks clear And sometimes, something's gotta give Baby Yeah This is the blank check I am This is the first Yes, 100% And you watch it now and you're like, oh it is crazy they let her make this For 80 million dollars She got two really big stars

[00:03:02] Which is why Someone else's she just made a huge hit Like yeah, the biggest hit But I just read this on the I&B trivia Fox turned this down because they said the leads were tool So even you have Jack Nicholson who up until this point

[00:03:16] Is still consistent fucking money in the bank You have someone who just directed the highest grossing romantic comedy of all time to that point And they still were like, I don't know but they're 60 Well I'm gonna dispute you on Jack being money in the bank

[00:03:31] Because his only hit of the last 10 years is as good as it gets Ingram management too much Yes, but that came out the same year as this Would not have been that came out this year Like when they're going into production that and also I mean

[00:03:46] I would file a bouch mitt as a hit Yeah, about Schmidt was an Oscar movie that did really well It did 80 million dollars 65 Alexander okay that's a good fucking number for that movie I just yeah but also he had made the pledge Blood and wine the evening star

[00:04:00] The crossing guard That's a bad run That's a margin tax before that Yeah Mars attacks is in there which even Mars attacks didn't do that well He also took some time off he didn't make movies for a couple years

[00:04:10] Between 97 and oh but after as good as it gets he takes time off Right, right He said he was a little in the right in the twilight I think after crossing guard the pledge he felt a little burnout

[00:04:21] Because he was proud of those two movies and people didn't see them Proud of those performances He took time off and they said after September 11th He only wanted to make fun movies But how did how did you say that? I only want to make fun movies Sure

[00:04:37] My Nicholson I sometimes have it it flies away from me But so he was like I only want to make comedies I want to make people laugh Billy Yeah He was saying this to Billy Crystal during an Oscar telecast

[00:04:49] And Billy was like please someone's trying to present best sound mixing But so that was his big thing he came back with anger management Something's got to give He was like I'm gonna do an Ham's Sailing movie I'm gonna do a rom-com I want to be light

[00:04:59] And they were hits And they were big hits Two hits So even if he was off a bad box office run He's still a legend Certainly a legend Do you think he saw me at the parents and was like I can do that too?

[00:05:09] You think there was a parallel? 100% Yeah, because that's right like that's what these movies They're aimed at the same viewer And Nicholson had always been funnier than De Niro Like even in his dramas he was always funny That's true

[00:05:23] So it's like well it's not like I'd be reinventing myself to be in a comedy I'm just putting myself in a different broadness of comedy Well no one else is gonna be the star of this movie right? Like this movie is kind of Nancy Meyers writing a script

[00:05:34] That's like what's the deal with Jack Nicholson? She wrote it for the two of them It begins with them sitting him down at dinner and being like What is it with you? Why do you do that? She wrote it for the two of them

[00:05:45] I don't think she would have made it without the two of them It's very much a deconstruction of his star persona Jack and Diane Right, yeah They made it like can you believe they'd never been together before I mean they were like in reds together

[00:05:57] They were in reds together But not like you know The idea of making a movie that's top line by the two of them It's pretty much like that I mean it's also Nancy Meyers saying what would it be like if I dated Jack Nicholson That's the other thing

[00:06:08] Is that Diane Keaton is like her perfect representation on screen And when you look at pictures of Nancy Meyers She looks like Diane Keaton in this movie Down to the Turtle Next Which she has not gotten rid of She hasn't cut those up yet

[00:06:22] She had written The Father of the Bride movie She had written Baby Boom It's clear that she liked Diane Keaton And they had a you know somewhat symbiotic relationship In terms of sensibilities And this just feels like cool I'm gonna have you play me

[00:06:34] Just literally play everything in my brain Is that okay? And I'm gonna dress you like me They already look fairly similar Forget about that I just wanted to offer a bit of a warning Before I introduce you Oh sure, sure, sure Okay

[00:06:50] Because of course this is a main series on the films of Nancy Meyers We've gotten to the first blank check film We've gotten to the namesake of the miniseries Something's podcast It's podcast, right? I'll get that up there We're bringing back guests who's a favorite

[00:07:01] And someone we haven't had on way too fucking long Look at that turtle neck She looks exactly like her, right? But this is like she's in black So she's like Dark Nancy She's the Black Stone Do you think she like comes out of the

[00:07:13] Like onto the set in the morning And everyone's like oh black Dark Nancy today I think I imagine that's her I'm sorry Ben, can you say that again on Mike? Goth Nancy? Thank you producer Ben Enke The band do the sir

[00:07:24] Michael Myers and no one would call her Dark Nancy I'm like a K-V Not Professor Crispy This Has graduated to certain titles with a course of different music Such as Kylo Benpris, Ben Kenobi, Ben Aitraml on Benz You can talk over him too

[00:07:43] Say Benny Benz, got that, got that Ailey Benz with the dollar sign War, Hawes, Purdue or Bane Just looking at some great pictures Yeah who was she? Ben 19, the Fennel maker She was good, that was a good little scene She's in private practice Okay Mr. Ben Credible

[00:07:56] Oh yeah And you drink Ben Hossley Hell yeah Yeah, I'm right Our guest Our guest today is one of our favorite people Yep We both say that he's one of the finest people we've ever known And we both know a lot of professional comedians

[00:08:10] Which is 100% meant as a backhanded compliment To every comedian I've ever known It's both a compliment to Bobby And a backhanded compliment to him Well just slow down your roll Oh sorry Listener to be prepared before we introduce him Because ladies and gentlemen

[00:08:24] You're about to get a white one FINGER I knew it FINGER There it is There it is Thank you From my weekly Bobby Fingers back on the show Ladies and gentlemen Hi everyone, thanks for having me again Oh what a pleasure

[00:08:37] The moment I heard you were doing this Or that it was in contention I was just Well, I mean When Nancy came When she curled up to Ben And I was just thinking Oh I hope We'll wake up the call I believe we just

[00:08:49] It was like Bobby picks first There was like actually no hesitation We wanted the twins for the parent trap That was a big idea Because they're twins But apart from that I think And Richard Made clear what he wanted to do Yes, he wanted to go home again

[00:09:06] Oh home again as part of this Oh yes Oh yes Oh my god But we I feel like we Actually waited a while to officially ask you Because from the moment we thought she might win We were just like Well obviously Bobby's going to do one

[00:09:20] Like it just seemed like such a foregone conclusion That we forgot to loop you into it Right man, what if Bobby had been like Fuck no I hate Nancy Meyers It was a hack It was really thrilling to get The actual question And this is what I wanted

[00:09:32] I mean I love the parent trap It was like pick what you want Parent trap is taken Which I understand And that was Monny's backup With something that's got to give So I was like If for some reason Bobby picks that Then we would have the twins do

[00:09:44] Parent trap is the closest to my heart But something's got to give is I mean it's her best movie I also just know like It's her best movie I've talked about before I'll talk about it again when we get to the episode But I interned

[00:09:55] I auditioned for the intern like 17 times And the second I got the script I immediately just emailed it to you Yeah I might not have even asked do you want No it just came in the mail Yeah I was so excited I just eared it directly

[00:10:08] It was so excited And sort of how casually you sent it to me Like oh I auditioned for this I think you'd like it I felt like I mean it felt like I had gotten the Pentagon papers I didn't tell anyone I was just so excited

[00:10:21] Maybe I told someone but weeks later It was like You needed that to yourself for a while It came up in conversation Like Nancy's new movie or whatever This movie is still being made And I was like well I've read it And I was just so proud

[00:10:34] And even to this day Like it's I remember that moment very fondly It was like It was so special That movie was very special It's one of the only times I've slipped a script to someone in that way And it was like A script?

[00:10:46] Well my few script slips And I let my slip script get fingered One script slip That you also sent me Which wasn't even a full script I think it was just a camera photo Of a title page For National Treasure 3 Oh okay yes Yes Which never

[00:11:03] I sent you that as well That never went right Derek Simon My oldest friend Future guest He and I are obsessed with the National Treasure movies Interesting to bring that up Because I'm going to actually draw a big National Treasure parallel In this episode

[00:11:16] To something that's got to give I have one in the hopper But we were obsessed with National Treasure And were always Frustrated with the fact they weren't making a third one And the big thing that Fucked the third one Imagine being frustrated So frustrated

[00:11:29] Because the end of two is such a tee-up And also I feel like It was Nicholas Cage's last tether to reality You know what I mean Like it was his final studio thing Wait how does two end? Two ends with When he was trying to find the document

[00:11:44] But there's that book that he needs To find the map of where the thing is hidden The Book of Secrets Right the Book of Secrets And when he kidnaps President Bruce Greenwood In the tunnels of the Underground Railroad Right? Bruce Greenwood says like

[00:11:57] He tells him where the book is And how to find it Isn't that movie about him proving that his like Great great grandpa didn't shoot Abraham Correct Correct Because Ed Harris has proof or something? Right because Ed Harris's grandfather Always got blamed for Something

[00:12:14] Should we like do special We all 100% Ed Harris's grandfather and his family lineage Has been cursed with this notion of them Like abolitionist you know Like turncodes Slave love and bullshit And he's like not me You And he puts it on the Gates family

[00:12:30] And Cage has to like clear the names And the only way to do that somehow Is to kidnap the president of the United States And he takes him into the tunnel and Bruce Greenwood It's like the information you're looking for Is in the Book of Secrets

[00:12:42] It's in the library here It's on this shelf You'll only have eight minutes They'll try to catch ya And then he's like Okay thank you Mr. President And he goes by the way If you get the chance Look at page 37 Something I think you might find interesting there

[00:12:55] Oh my god sounds like a joker And then the end of the movie When like the president parted to him Like crying out loud It comes to the hanger and it's like I got this under control Because they were like about to arrest all 27 characters

[00:13:07] Who were part of the team at this point And the president's like Did you get a chance to look at page 27 He's like yeah Pretty interesting He's like I thought you'd have some notions And I forget how they say it But they imply that page 27

[00:13:19] Is about the Kennedy assassination Isn't that how the Rock ends? Yes So there are two fucking Nick Cage and Harris movies In which there's a secret document That reveals Wanna know who killed Kennedy? Isn't that the Rock ends? Twice! It ends with Nick Cage going and finding

[00:13:34] The microfilm that Connery left in the church In the church leg In the Pule Yes And then the end of natural treasure 2 Is once again Ed Harris has led him to The page with the Kennedy assassination So we were just furious That we weren't getting this third movie

[00:13:48] And our friend's friend Was working at Jerry Brockheimer production The movie got slowed down because Sorcerer's Apprentice Which they prioritized And then it was like Oh my god Brockheimer Turtle Top Cage We can't do that again But they had this script That was pretty ready to go

[00:14:04] And someone was like Literally carrying the script Through the office And a couple of the pages fell off And this friend Like ran into like a closet And took photos of the first three pages And was like I'm gonna have to give these back I'm getting like

[00:14:18] This is some like Pentagon paper shit It felt like Is your friend Matthew Reese? I'm not gonna name them Because I don't want Matthew Reese admitted It was Reese It was But the first three pages are amazing Which I sent to you as well And it once again

[00:14:31] Involves the family lineage Which all good National Treasure movies should Well maybe Turtle Top Might have a bit of a bun check After the Meg The Meg hit The Meg hit Cage has some legitimacy again Well yeah but I don't think Disney's like Mandy really convinced us

[00:14:44] That National Treasure 3 is a good play But he's less of a joke Which I'm happy about It's always nice when he Right when he gives a real performance And everyone you know Chips the cat I also just dislike people acting like They are more in on the joke

[00:14:57] Than Nicholas Cage's No one is more aware Of how ridiculous Nicholas Cage is than Nicholas Cage So to be like Oh my god he's like out of control He doesn't even know what he's doing And it's like He's trying to produce that result

[00:15:10] Whether or not you like it My prediction is That in the next six months They announce for the Disney streaming service That they do a National Treasure reboot That's more focused on their child Right Where Cage will now be playing The John Voity type And he'll be there

[00:15:25] They'll fuck with the timeline And they'll have like a 17 year old son And it'll be like your Brandon That sounds shitty though right Cause then you gotta bring in Fweights or whoever It's gonna be a Thweights Or whoever the new Who's the new Thweights

[00:15:36] Bobby as the host of Who Weekly I gotta ask Who's the new Thweights Brandon Thweights is an undeniable Who Right I mean he never graduated beyond Yeah no No no no no And I don't think he ever will Who is Like KJ Oppa No it's like Noah Centino

[00:15:50] Yeah it's no oh fuck it's Centino Noah Centino Let me ask you Point of distinction Do you think Centino Stops being a Who because he's become such a darling Even if it's in a small circle No Although like fucking big like blog posts Love letters to him

[00:16:06] He would need to he still is Yeah he was like hot shit for three weeks You need more than that Oh yeah I mean it's a classic And it doesn't even have some stuff Some stuff brewing He has He's got a little stuff brewing

[00:16:16] He might have a little stuff brewing Yeah he might have a little stuff brewing Is this in on the record No I don't know I don't know Doesn't he have some stuff brewing I feel like the profiles of him were like Sort of hinting at a darker side

[00:16:28] I'm not saying anything like nasty Yeah Just some you know Well he's He would like to have some stuff brewing Oh yeah You know I also think anytime You get one person is the subject of Seventeen Blank is the new woke bay They're just destined for a downfall

[00:16:46] Oh yeah You know it's like the It's the What's his name Ken Bone It's like we rise someone up We rise someone up Right To the Holy Raph Yeah I forgot about Ken Bone He was great He's back He's one of my favorites He's probably not back

[00:17:03] Was he a who I mean he's like I don't think it counts It doesn't count because he's not an entertainer He's not a performer And also it was sort of just like a Kind of just like a viral A moment of virality Yes Doesn't necessarily make it

[00:17:14] Although he was a meme We did record We did record an episode That's I guess tomorrow's episode Gritty is a who now Gritty is officially a who So I guess I just contradicted myself Interesting Gritty is great Gritty is great I think I'm into gritty You're into gritty

[00:17:29] I'll show you Ben I give gritty a sub-scrup I don't like Ken Bone was too political Too political I don't like making Political viral moments Who's Sure Yeah I agree with that You're Joe the plumber He's the new mascot for the Fili The Filiers Gritty's great He's

[00:17:46] He looks fun Yeah He's weird He's a googly-eyed Monster Can I say that? Gritty His hands squeak His stomach squeaks Oh, that's lovely His eyes are googly You sort of barrel-shaped But once again you're saying Okay, so he became me But he is an artist

[00:18:01] And he's a performer He's a performer He's an act That's the big difference Between him and Ken Bone Ken Bone was discovered But someone like It's an accident Rita Ora who's kind of The ultimate who Right Gritty is intentional Gritty was made to Draw internet attention Rita Ora

[00:18:17] Gritty is going to comment On gritty Right There'll be a photo Of Gritty and Chrissy D Where does the Chrissy Tygen Recognition, acknowledgement Land in sort of the The arc Of a who Do you think that's the moment They've made it Or the moment that they're

[00:18:35] Starting to fall They've hit the peak I think it's the moment They made it But also she's so early So it's the moment They made it Right, it's the moment They're on the wider radar And I'm not even sure If that counts anymore Because she's so prolific

[00:18:47] At this point In terms of like Tweeting about everything Like a sword on each shoulder Yeah Go you're a who She legitimizes things Right, because before that Maybe you're a what You're a what? What? Huh? Where? Yeah, like Gritty We introduced Bobby, right? We introduced Bobby

[00:19:06] Okay, I forgot to introduce Yeah, the audience got finger That was nice Welcome National treasure I'm just looking at the tabs I opened While we were Oh Brenton Thwaites Yeah, he had He had four hacks And missed with all of them Hacks at the tree

[00:19:20] He did a pirate, right? What were the four? Maleficent The giver The giver Gods of Egypt Yeah And then pirates Five? That meant tell no ten You know Salazar's just been He was the son He was Orlando Bloom's son Yes, Henry Turner Okay, okay And Kaia Skolodaro Yes

[00:19:37] How do you say her name? She was the The loving truce But didn't that movie Still make You know hundreds of millions Of dollars? Wasn't it still sort of Even by the standards Of the low, low standards Acquired of a pirates movie It was a huge flop Okay

[00:19:52] Like it did badly It sort of falls into The Transformers category Where like four was like It made like $700 million Worldwide but it cost Like 250 to make it You know Disney broke even Like the first three Transformers all do really Well then the fourth one

[00:20:09] Is like wow that's a big dip But these are still profitable And then five lost a ton Of money Okay They're kind of on the four Where it's like Worth the rush holdie And if they went back to the well One more time they'd probably lose

[00:20:20] And then Bumblebee is next Yes How will Bumblebee do? You know people say Bumblebee is charming Right I have heard similar buzz I just don't know why Audiences are here Bumblebee is it Is it PG? Is it like fully A family film Maybe It looks very iron gianty

[00:20:37] Okay I like that it seems very small I don't know if you guys saw The new trailer that came out No, it's fine There's a new one this week But a thing I like is All the Transformers in it Have the fucking classic designs

[00:20:47] And I'm not like one of those assholes That like they shouldn't have changed it But when you see a CG version Of the old blocky Optimus Prime You're like that is just a better design That's a better piece of graphic iconography Than the weird flame like

[00:21:01] Boomed rounded edge kind of dude You know So this one's for the fans This one's for the fans And it's for the families It feels a little like that But when I was watching it I love Hailey Steinfeld Yeah And I find her charming

[00:21:13] And she's charming in the trailer But the trailer is basically like What if like a kid Found a fucking Transformer in their garage And I'm like We have absolutely already done this Like I don't know if this is new enough Well the big move is

[00:21:24] The first movie that's the first 30 minutes And then there's like a war And they were like What if we kept it there Yeah but there's still The trailer's still full of Robots playing each other You know And they go to some fucking You know Transformer planning Optimus Prime

[00:21:37] Is there and he's like I am president He says some Transformer planners If he doesn't know That they go to Cybertron I genuinely You know that they go to Cybertron I don't I've only seen the first one I haven't seen any of the other ones Yeah

[00:21:50] I mean three is a masterpiece Three is the good one Three is the good one Apart from one One and three are good That's the good card Okay Two and four are reprehensible And five is mostly reprehensible With some things Is five Mark Wahlberg Five is the one

[00:22:03] And four Four and five are Wahlberg Five is the one with Cogman With Cogman Our favorite actor The cougman The sociopathic robot butler I kind of I turn myself off When Transformers come I think America too Yeah I'm gonna I have a perfect segue

[00:22:21] But I just want to say Transformers five features Cogman Who is a robot Who self identifies as A psychopath He says I am a bit psychopathic Yes Who doesn't transform Who's the voice What's the butler from Downton Abbey Yes Okay He doesn't transform

[00:22:38] Jim Carter is that his name I don't know the name He's the butler from Downton Abbey I do Transforms into no vehicle No He doesn't turn into anything He's just like a clockwork man He doesn't turn into like a car at any point Literally nothing

[00:22:49] He's a steampunky butler Who's just a little bit taller than a human Is a psychopath And likes playing dramatic music I mean the best part of The whole movie and maybe of all movies They do it twice Is right when like Anthony Hopkins Is giving some exposition

[00:23:04] Where he's telling the history And there's like opera music playing And then you realize that it's just Cogman When he's singing He's like in the after seeing the opera music He's hitting the organ He's hitting the organ It's really good And Cogman won best supporting actor

[00:23:17] So the thing I was going to say Is that Transformers 3 Dark of the Moon Shares an actor with this film Francis McDormand That's true The villain in that Sure Is she the main villain I think she ends up being the main villain Her and John Benjamin

[00:23:32] Clearly I don't remember it that well Right In the voice of Reason here Yes But She was in the Israeli military She was in the Israeli military Yeah This movie does the exact same thing That it's complicated does Which we'll get to soon

[00:23:44] Where she's in the first 30 minutes A lot Uh-huh And then really kind of disappears She pops back up like one more time One more time But the first 30 minutes You're just like great We're going to have her as the voice of Reason The comedic like Grace No

[00:23:57] Right, this is a four person movie Yeah, it's a square Yeah, you got Keaton, Jack, McDormand, Pete They're all going to be at the house together For one weekend They'll all be bouncing off each other This doesn't end, you know, 36 months at all

[00:24:08] Right, it's a colleague American movie This is going to grow a Tolstoy-esque beard In the middle of this movie This is one of the movies I love Where it spends so much time on the first hour That these people are together

[00:24:20] And then so much time on the first day And then the first week And then it just jumps six months It's very, it's very Jerry Maguire In that, right, it's a five act movie With sort of surprising time jumps About people who fall in love

[00:24:32] And figure it out a lot longer Like it takes them a while to figure it out And this is where I really think you start to see The auteurist of, okay, this is Nancy Meyers Storytelling style And it's distinctly different than the Meyers Shire collaborations

[00:24:46] Because those movies kind of just run like clockwork They're really good, like glossy Studio comedies, adult studio comedies Right? But this is like Okay, there's no 3x structure here This is just a series of movements that happen And every time you watch

[00:25:02] Every time I would get to a scene where I was like Okay, this is the point in another movie Like you have them only realize they're in love With each other at the 85 minute point Then they get in a fight and then 10 minutes later They come back together

[00:25:14] And this movie has them realize they like each other An hour in and there's an hour 54 minutes and I think it's like 54 55 minutes there and left But you just expect the normal version of this movie Is 30 minutes where they fight 30 minutes where they start to connect

[00:25:27] Then they realize they're in love He hurts her, they break up They come back together And that last part takes 10 minutes In total 90 to 100 minute movie And this movie has an hour of her Trying to make sense of what happened And him doing the same Yeah, kind of

[00:25:40] Except he mostly does it offscreen Right, but then he has his like fill in the blanks No, he's got some stuff Yeah David Hey Griffin David, you know I'm moving You are moving, that's true Yes You got a new place I got a new place

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[00:28:54] These really are the best sheets ever Bobby Nancy Meyers I want to ask about your relationship with Nancy Okay When did you come to Nancy first? Or when did she come to me? Like were you seeing her in theaters? Like you know The parent trapeze

[00:29:10] I guess the first Nancy Meyers movie that I saw in theaters Because it's weird People do as like an outspoken fan of Nancy Meyers I wouldn't call myself like a fanatic But I am a huge fan of Nancy Meyers

[00:29:23] It's sort of become a thing that my friends have known me for So if it comes up it's like What's your favorite Nancy Meyers movie? And I don't know how to answer that Because it's like what do you mean by Nancy Meyers movie

[00:29:34] And so I will always have to be like If we're picking from the entire filmography That she has written Written and directed Written and or directed Written and or directed Written and or directed I would probably go with You know

[00:29:47] I would jump back and forth between parent trap And baby boom Wow And then if you asked me You know what's my favorite Nancy Meyers directorial effort I would say parent trap or something's got to give So I think the number one answer that I was parent trap

[00:30:01] That's kind of easy Because it's just It's one of those movies that you see when you're 12 And it does something to you And I will just never I will never lose my love for that I also think there's a distinction of like

[00:30:15] Oh parent trap might be your favorite movie that she directed But something's got to give is the Nancy Meyers movie I think some of the way that like Parent trap is very anomalous Like in the grand scheme of her career

[00:30:26] So like I get that it doesn't really count But my connection The first Nancy Meyers movie that I saw In theaters is one of the movies she directed And it was father of the bride part two Which I saw She didn't direct She didn't direct Yeah, that's true

[00:30:42] That I saw as a double feature with Toy Story Which is a really lovely Like it was a really lovely movie going day That's really nice I mean we've talked about our love for father of the bride part two

[00:30:54] And we've never talked about Toy Story on this podcast It's so good, we never right now That one doesn't come up I also love father of the bride part two As a kid obviously I had no idea

[00:31:02] Who I guess I probably just thought of it as a Steve Martin movie But yes it was very important to me And the rest of my connection I don't know I Baby Boom was one of those movies In as a child of the 80s and the 90s

[00:31:19] So only 80s and 90s kids will understand that Sort of your taste gets influenced by a wide variety of things But I think one of those things that is a loss now Is that your taste has sort of decided for you Based on what channels you had

[00:31:34] And so like we didn't have a huge cable packet But we had TBS and TNT and guess what Baby Boom was on all the time And that was one of And of course like some people would have seen Baby Boom and skipped it

[00:31:44] I happened to be like I'm interested So you know what does that say about me But Baby Boom was one that I watched a lot that I taped And so I watched Baby Boom a lot My mom liked Private Benjamin So I watched Private Benjamin

[00:31:57] I feel like I was similarly shaped by the Disney Channel Which at that point had very little original programming And didn't have access to most Disney movies But they played Parent Trap all the time And they also played before that Father of the Bride part 2 a lot

[00:32:11] They never played part 1 I've probably seen part 2 like 10 times It's the same, I've seen part 1 maybe twice Part 2 I've seen so many times And I saw part 2 first for sure It always felt like Disney Channel only got the sequels to things Like I'd see Short Circuit 2 so much

[00:32:27] Oh me too I've seen the first one once and I love the second one Yeah, I think I love it I loved it a lot growing up It's just baked into the personality when you're that young I feel like And what's another one?

[00:32:38] Jump and Jack Flash I had a weird relationship with And the reason I watched it And I remember why I watched it was because The TV guide and like the San Antonio newspaper Had, you know, they had the star ratings pulled in from something

[00:32:54] I think it was probably like Leonard Moulton's star ratings Or like an all movies guide that they hadn't accessed to And it was one of the few ones that I noticed being on a lot As like, you know, in the early 90s And it had one star

[00:33:06] And I thought it was one of the movies that was one star only I had to watch this bad movie And I ended up liking it It's our rated movie But rated, but edited for television That's like basically a heist movie for kids

[00:33:20] It's like a spy movie for children When you cut out the language It's a children's movie And like Whoopi Goldberg is having the time of her life in that movie And that was always fun And it has like a weird computer angle to it too

[00:33:32] I thought that was fun I weirdly watched a Ciskel and Ebert recently Where they were just railing against I guess Jumping Jack Flash and Burglar came out back to back Okay, I've never seen Burglar And they were like, Whoopi's got to stop making these dumb action movies

[00:33:47] This was right after The Color Purple Right, they were like, she's clearly one of the best actors But she keeps on making these movies where she rides a motorcycle And wears black What was Nancy's pen name for Jumping Jack Flash?

[00:33:58] I don't know why I don't know that off the top of my head David, have you seen Baby Boom? No, should we do a bonus? Well, I don't know if we should add another one to the docker To save it for the Trollshire mini-series

[00:34:10] That is, we could do Shire It is one that has continually come up When I see people writing about us getting ready to cover Nancy Of I hope they do Baby Boom And it feels like of the Shire, Meyers collaborations

[00:34:23] That's the one that sort of got her voice the most And people love it And it's fucking Harold Ramis We talk about loving whenever he acts on a movie And who's the vet? Oh God Wait, in the movie Sam Wannamaker Oh yeah, Sam Wannamaker

[00:34:41] Well, Sam Shepard is also in it I have a soft spot for every Trollshire movie that I've seen Which is Father the Bride Father the Bride Part 2 And I Love Trouble I Love Trouble is very popular in my family for some reason That is weird

[00:34:58] It's like those, I don't know how to categorize those things But they exist It's like I don't know why I Love Trouble is part of my life But it is Real video store movies You know the poster was up Julia Roberts and Nick Nolte

[00:35:11] I don't know, they love Trouble Watch out Mike Ryan Past Future Guest friend of the show Once, I try to remember who it was Or just some director as the 3 star general That's pretty good Which I feel like is what you could call Trollshire

[00:35:26] Which is like, if you popped into a blockbuster And you rented a Shire, that's 3 stars You just have a nice time You know? 3 Star General The only Shep's running The only Shire film that... Well, Alfie's weird actually Alfie's weird I've never seen Alfie Alfie's weird Weird movie

[00:35:44] The Affair of the Necklace I have not seen That was an outflop It was also him going way out of his comfort zone With a star who is also way out of her comfort zone Right, it's like 2 out of comfort zone people

[00:35:54] And him I think trying to figure out what his identity is Without Nancy I mean that's what that really felt like to me You know? But we're not here to talk Shire We're not, we're here to talk Something's gotta give Yeah, something's gotta give

[00:36:05] Did you see it in theaters? Did you see it? I did, I saw it No one was there The Saturday it opened with my sister And we were very excited I saw it with my mom and brother The whole family went to something's guy

[00:36:15] My head might have got like It was definitely like a family outing To see something's gotta give I watched it on VHS with my mom And we both didn't like it I didn't like it either Yeah I loved it I was a big Oscar watcher

[00:36:29] This movie came out in 03 I knew it was an Oscar tipped film With the Keaton thing There was so much buzz from the get-go Just like And there was, for the 2000s especially It would feel like every year would come down to

[00:36:44] Here's a veteran actress getting the best role Of the latter half of her career Versus here's a young ingenue Turning serious for the first time And you'd have your like Sissy Spacic Versus Halle Berry Sure Your like double Annette Bennings Versus Hillary Swanks Right

[00:37:01] And then this year was the like Theron Keaton thing And it was like Are they gonna give her the second Oscar For getting him back Or are they gonna crown Theron the new person But it felt like a two-horse race The entire fall Like Keaton coulda won

[00:37:14] I think she had a shot But she like The other person you mentioned just now Sissy Spacic Yes Was eventually undone by the fact that she has an Oscar Yeah And yeah So whatever Charlize took it Halle took it Two years in a row Those are back-to-back years

[00:37:31] And then you have the Swanks around them There was a year in between them Right It was 2002 Someone's 2002 Was Kidman Kidman That was a weird one Cause that was the two-horse race Was kind of Kidman Moore Who were contemporaries Yeah Yeah And Kidman just had the big movie

[00:37:47] And the DeGlam And she won by a nose Oh, shit Do you remember he said that? Of course I do Who was the Denzel Oh Denzel Yeah By a nose That was the other one I think that was Yeah That was the Chicago year Catherine Zaire Jones wins

[00:38:02] Best Supporting Actress And Sean Connery presents it And you cannot make out what he's saying Alright I remember being at a party Where we were like Queen Latifah just win Cause she went And the winner is Catherine Oh yes, yes, that's right He just said her first name

[00:38:16] And it sounded like a sneeze He's Scottish, she's Welsh She was a sort of Winner is Catherine I believe she was the first award Of the night The winner is There was Yeah, a moment though You know when they have the five Like the And then they'll have

[00:38:30] The zoom in on the one who's won It's the five sort of close ups Yeah Right Latifah and Zaire Jones were right next to each other And the camera started zooming And it looked like it was Latifah And I was at like an Oscar party with my parents

[00:38:45] And everyone started screaming Because for half a second We were like Queen Latifah just won the Academy Award For Best Supporting Actress And we were all so excited She didn't win She did Catherine Zaire Jones There's also some Oscars right around them That opened With like

[00:39:01] Probably a month No, I think it literally opens With Sean Connery coming out And going like The movie We all love them They're so good Like Just some bullshit model And he's like The movie And then he's like Please enjoy And they just showed up montage of movies

[00:39:16] I like It might have been like the 70th Might have been some milestone Oscars I like that your Sean Connery impression sounds Like Muppet Baby Sean Connery The movie I love the movie so much The movie The movie I wish I could find it I'll try it

[00:39:33] I'll call for those movies montages The like Me too Like last year We're just like Let's come from like boys in the hood to Ben her People at the Oscar party Maybe half of them were like Why are we doing this And half of them were like

[00:39:45] I really like this I think we all agree on this Give me three minutes of this We never want The idea that the Oscars should be short Is sort of That's deranged I'm going to broach a difficult subject Because I think we're the kind of big dummies

[00:39:58] Who love those montages Who watch five million of them If they made them their own night We would watch it and tape it and rewatch it But when Dummies Dummies Baby wants his bottle But when they say like Oh we want the telecast to be shorter

[00:40:16] And we're going to cut out a bunch of the Below the line awards I'm just like Then cut the fucking montages Like I love the montages But it feels more disrespectful To cut those from the ceremony When we know that's what pads out the show Yeah but honestly

[00:40:30] They want to cut eight awards Fuck that There's not enough time in the montages For them to save But they're going to cut so many I remember 2009 They literally did a montage For each different genre They were like here's our tribute to Horde Here's our tribute to this

[00:40:44] And then that was the John Hughes year Where they also had a John Hughes Specific montage And had McCauley-Cawkin And Judd Nelson And Emilio Estevez All like give testimonies And I was like Fucking what are you doing I don't know I don't know why they do the montages

[00:40:59] I think that was the year that I'm Schenkman produced I got no beef with montages I love them I mean was Schenkman the one who introduced The weird panel of like former winners Who was like When did that start? You were so good They did it two years

[00:41:11] I think it was then That was the year before But they did it twice Yes And then they had to have like The people on stage Remember that The nominees I'm going to offer my correction Well they did that one time 2008 was past winners

[00:41:22] Where it was like Heath Ledger Quote unquote got his Oscar from Kevin Klein, Joel Gray Each nominee was given a speech by It wasn't even the way Like right Because I remember Keegan and Junior talking to Robert Downey Junior Angry that he was stealing roles from the brothers

[00:41:34] Yes But then 2009 It wasn't past winners It was people they had worked with It was just pals Right Because it was Colin Farrell talking about The high drinks that he and Jeremy Renner Got into during SWAT Yes that's right That's right Jeremy Remember SWAT I don't remember Yeah

[00:41:52] God the Oscars They're so good The movies The movies The movies You're like one of the first people I mean this is the cornerstone of My friendship with David and this podcast Existing But Bobby you're like one of the first people

[00:42:06] Where like our friends like set us up And were like you guys should hang out Yeah we had a real friend Dave We talked about this in the first place We talked about this on blind chat But we like went to a bar and talked For six hours

[00:42:15] Yes six hours Because we got so into talking about The marginalia of movie culture Like the montages and shit It was very pleasant And I also feel like you're kind of I feel like there's a lot more internet Love for Nancy Meyers now

[00:42:28] I see a lot more people doing like The Diane crying at the computer gift There was a meme thing last year Where people were like cast your own holiday remake Look who are your four actors I feel like you were the

[00:42:39] One of the first people I saw on the internet In a very funny way Sort of like Making your fandom of rom-coms And like studios 90s Like comedies Feel like Like fucking Star Wars fandom or something Well I think I mean certainly among my friends

[00:42:59] It didn't feel like I was any sort of Anomaly or Outlier But I think that might have to do with Earnestness and like Guilty pleasures are sort of Invoked now because it's like we Let's just be honest with ourselves With what we like

[00:43:16] Let's try not to be too Kind of sending towards these things That maybe we feel guilty about liking And so it's like you know what I do like it when the holiday is on I do like it when something's got to give us on Yeah

[00:43:27] And maybe it was easy to look down on those movies At the time and I think that might I mean that doesn't really count here But I think that might explain Why there's been more Nancy Love And also the narrative around The intern really Really helped her

[00:43:43] That was the one that turned me She never really had the opportunity To tell her story And she was so open about how hard it was To make that movie And how much of a triumph that was For her personally just as As a director

[00:43:55] As like a woman in the industry And when people heard that framing I think it gave them permission To revisit all of her movies with that Eye and say like it's kind of Astounding that she made Any of these movies And especially this one Right, especially the

[00:44:11] And also as time has gone on We've gotten less and less of this kind of movie So we're nostalgic for it So you go like the intern There are a couple things that happen A, she's telling the story B, the movie doesn't have the same kind of

[00:44:22] Success for earlier films Although it did alright And then you go like Okay but this kind of feels like A death knelt to this type of film Which was already pretty much dying off We don't get them theatrically anymore Then you have the rise of the conversation

[00:44:35] About the lack of female directors In Hollywood where people are like Maybe we didn't appreciate her when we had her Maybe we didn't appreciate this genre The style of filmmaking These souffle comedies While we still had them We wrote them off as being like

[00:44:46] Oh you know it's like a fun rainy day movie But it's like not good Like I feel like she's one of those filmmakers Where even the people who liked her movies So often had to couch it in like I know it's not a good movie

[00:44:55] But like it makes me feel good And now we're more comfortable saying It's a good movie Right, I think you're just And I'm not saying you're the first person To do this but I just feel like And part of what I have to do with the fact

[00:45:04] That you're funny and you always were able To make good content about it But that you were just like I'm gonna have no shame about these movies Like be very honest in my love for them And talk about how deeply I think about them

[00:45:15] The same way that people think about Like all the background aliens At the Star Wars cantina And I like think about you doing your video That was for Albert Nob's Where you did the video of Glenn Close losing another Oscar And you compiled all the footage of her

[00:45:31] Being hearing that someone else had won And very graciously like nodding And you caught it like a James Bond trailer Oh my god I completely forgot And I used the iMovie template Right and then you said Glenn Close is gonna lose again this year

[00:45:47] And I remember being like Wow someone else thinks that much about this Cause I knew like the day that The academy started putting up all the old clips On YouTube I would just compulsively rewatch Every acting winner And watch all five of their faces

[00:46:03] Be like this time I'm just gonna focus On how Meryl's reacting And you just like I don't know I just think it's all tied to This sort of cultural shift The guy should have been on the boards with me

[00:46:15] Cause I was doing that shit my whole teenage life I was on the right boards Yeah you weren't on my Oscar boards Like cause on the Oscar boards it was Literally like well there's four acknowledged Factions Nicole Kidman, Julianne Moore Cape Lanshit

[00:46:30] And then there was a fourth one There were four actresses who had such intense Fan bases that they would like Do battle on the boards And Nicole and Julianne were queens And Kate was seen as the Like if you were a Kate fan it was like

[00:46:45] Sorry about Veronica Garan Sweet Like you know Kate was like the lame one Cause she doesn't bounce back until She wins the Oscar That's when she starts getting like really plum rolls Before then she was kind of doing stuff like the missing

[00:46:58] I also think she wasn't seen as cool for a while Which is ironic because now she seems like the coolest one But they were like oh she's like a good respectable actor Who's the fourth though? Who's the fourth other obvious sort of like Neysel Wigger

[00:47:10] That is insane as that sounds And like so you I was not on these boards to stand for an actress But I would watch this sort of like Maelstrom happen every year Anyway I remember 04 was like the one year where I would Lurk

[00:47:27] And I would feel like every Which boards? Kind of be boards or Well no I'm trying to think This was when all the sites still had Oscar in their name The Oscars League of the Tracks I think I would lurk on Oscar watch Right

[00:47:42] I didn't do the awards boards I was a very active poster On the old original Rotten Tomatoes boards Interesting And they're all gone The archives are all white They're just literally vanished And it was like 2002 to like 2005 or 2006 What was your username? That I was like very

[00:48:00] I cannot reveal it just in case it wasn't Because I'm sure I'm just like I'm very worried that those still exist There's nothing embarrassing It's just like oh There's nothing offensive You don't want it to be offensive Oh I spent I would spend hours Hours a day

[00:48:12] On like Photoshop contests Yes Like where it's like oh I can't even get into it It's really humiliating I would do stuff like that I love the boards I was gonna say and I think this movie was One of the few successful versions of this phenomenon

[00:48:24] But there was always a thing If there was like a big glossy Somewhat adult oriented Studio comedy coming out in like October, November, December And it would get lumped into the awards conversation Because they'd be like well if they're releasing it In the fall

[00:48:38] And then it would come out and be like No this isn't an Oscar movie And this is one of the few times where like It did actually result in like a major Candidate And it was just she got the nomination But he didn't

[00:48:49] He only got the Golden Globe He got the Golden Globe Yeah I mean she deserved it Yeah and he's like doing Jack in this He's doing Jack No that's why he was penalized We're watching the movie how much his performance

[00:49:00] Feels like someone doing an impression of Jack Nicholson I think he's amazing I don't think it feels hollow He's good But also you know he had three other versions I think he's playing all the beats so hard Which is what the moves ask him to do

[00:49:10] All those hospital scenes are so good Very good He's so good at nose I mean as we've talked about on the terms of Endearment episode He's so good at letting himself be like Vulnerable and like foolish Like There's a lack of vanity He'll go for it

[00:49:26] Which is rare for guys Male leading men who become that successful And become sex symbols even on you know Surprising terms He always sort of yeah There's something about the way he carries His sexiness Yeah In a way that like he's surprised by it

[00:49:41] You know like he's very He's humble I mean that's why He owns his pot belly He owns his hairline Like all that stuff When the movie starts and they send him down Like what's your deal He's just like I don't know I'm gonna shrug Ding dong Ding dong

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[00:53:12] Now let's kick this handsome fox out of here Because I'm not going to be able to focus Some things that I give Every time I've seen it And like I said the first time I saw it I didn't like it Every single time I've watched

[00:53:22] It's been a really good idea since I've liked it more It wasn't until maybe the third or fourth time That I was fully in its Fully in its corner But every single time I watch it I'm surprised by Butterfly Butterfly always is a gut pun

[00:53:35] As those Oscars that I don't remember The specific era began with Sean Connery going The movies This begins with Jack Neal Just being like ladies Yeah gotta love them Like while Butterfly plays A bunch of random ladies walk around Like a New York City block

[00:53:51] And dresses and heels I don't know what I was thinking It is a crazy open I found I was like I'm just going to look I'm going to see if I can find a PDF of this script Somewhere online Usually this is pretty easy to do

[00:54:03] And I found one written in 2002 And I saw I just wanted to see how she Envisioned the opening And she includes a song choice Really And it's not Butterfly Really It is It's Nancy Meyers Oh we know what it is Do you know what it is?

[00:54:17] Drowning pool at the Bys of the floor Close She wrote Nancy Meyers Pinned the words Jaw rule Living it up Wow That's how she envisioned That movie to start What have been better? What have been better I think Butterfly Maybe was kind of a terrible choice

[00:54:33] Maybe Jaw rule was more expensive But also like Because it was really She envisioned a very contemporary song And that was like She had heard on the radio And was like You know what? Like Halle turned it on But like Butterfly is like

[00:54:44] Sort of like way past its prime At this point already Cause what? Orange County is 02 That sounds right And Orange County makes the running joke Of everyone's listening to Butterfly And Colin Hanks is irritated by it And they played the song like Five times in the movie

[00:54:55] This movie came out And it had been around long enough That it was a joke fight again This movie came out I mean this song came out in 2000 Right Like it's Insane Inspired And it sounded like Crazy Town Had then stuck around And everyone was like

[00:55:07] Ah the classics You know I love Crazy Town Imagine if Crazy Town had stuck around That's what's crazy Is this movie opens with Butterfly by Crazy Town Yes A montage of hotties Walking around And then Nicholson just says that he likes I own a rap label

[00:55:20] And you're just like Wait a second And the last And the song on the credits is Love Ian Rose Yes And then there's another weird Does she play like a Maroon 5 song? There's another weird modern pop song in it That feels very innocuous It's not this love

[00:55:32] It's the other Maroon 5 song Sunday morning But then no Then we cut from that to right like Nicholson and Pete In the most insane green screened Car journey Yes And they're discussing their trip To the Hamptons I guess And you're just like What is this movie? Right

[00:55:48] And he says Also a great moment of Nancy Meyers Almost being self aware But not quite crossing the finish line Where he's like Oh so your mom's rich And Amanda Pete's like No And Jack Nicholson's like Well no she is And Amanda Pete's like

[00:56:04] Well whatever I don't know Yeah that's good though And then Niola's No she just wrote a few plays She's right And he's like If she lives here she's rich Which I do like that If she lives within two zip codes of here Whatever he says She's like 200 miles

[00:56:17] Like she's in the Hamptons Like she is rich Right I do like that note Like Amanda Pete is so used to Exorbitant wealth That she doesn't have an understanding Of what money is anymore She think that's baseline Neutral Money, time, anything And Is Amanda Pete's character the doctor?

[00:56:36] Is he doctor who flying through space and time? She says Her marriage and her pregnancy Make no sense at the end of the movie The doctor has a little Has a little more grace under pressure Than Amanda Pete Who freaks out when her many years divorce father

[00:56:48] Decides to date a woman Which also feels very tied to It's complicated And feels very hally Where it's like I think Nancy Meyers' Perception of how children process a divorce Is entirely based on her children Right Because it's complicated Which we will get to Right

[00:57:05] Basically the kids are like It's been 15 years But we're not over it Very specific So surprising They're all like their own career kids In their California King Underneath the comforter Yes Sobbing We can't I mean It's complicated It's really It's complicated It's complicated

[00:57:22] So they're going to the Hamptons Which is a three hour drive from New York City But clearly they've done that They decided to drive Right So you don't want to take the jitney They went there They've gone there to have sex Which they have not yet done

[00:57:36] So weird They're so excited to have sex in the Hamptons It's very crucial to this movie That they never have sex Now do you think that's just because Myers makes that clear three times in the movie Oh yeah But it feels very odd that

[00:57:48] I think she just knows the audience would not Get on board Right, I think that's why Right But it does feel odd for the Jack Nicholson character To be committing to going to the Hamptons To say at her mom's place That they haven't slept together yet

[00:57:59] And they're referring to each other As like boyfriend and girlfriend You know But he's sort of supposed to be Because like So Myers makes a lot of movies As we talked about in What Moon and Want About this like kind of sleazy guy But like where she's like

[00:58:13] But I get the appeal of this guy Baldwin Gibson And Nicholson are a trifecta And then Daniro is a different kind But also where she's still sort of doing this thing Like you know Whatever happened to the old gentleman The classic man You know like yeah

[00:58:27] And like I think she's like This guy likes to sleep with younger ladies Or whatever You know he likes to be youthful Right But he still has that sort of like classy guy vibe Like whatever you want And he'll like buy you champagne

[00:58:41] There's something old school about him He's sort of rap-packy Like with all this sort of nastiness More like rap-packy He's got a rap label Do they ever say the name of his label? Yeah it's Drive By Drive By Records Which Hello Written by Nancy Myers Yeah

[00:58:59] We'll talk about her bun spots right At some point I've never really been bothered By the fact that they hadn't had sex yet No it doesn't really bother me And like he said it really does I just feel like she wants us to know Yes You sort of

[00:59:14] You sort of You get it You get his character So like it's like Oh no I'm gonna give her this Yeah I think it's also just a line she knows They can't cross and come back from Right Where were we? Well so they arrive at the Hamptons

[00:59:31] They're gonna bone In the least sexy like I think there's literally like an Ooh baby Yeah cause she's like Put on a swimsuit right Yeah she unzips She's gonna go get changed And he's like I'm gonna take off my pants And go into the kitchen

[00:59:46] He takes off his pants and checks out the fridge His loose fitting Oxford shirt Uh huh And Diane walks in with Francis McDormand And they have a knife And they call the cops What a great I love that You see some tush You see some old man tush

[01:00:03] Yeah They're flipping out Francis McDormand was in the Israeli military I think that has never brought up again Uh huh Yes yes she's a lesbian feminist studies professor From Columbia Did you see that on Wikipedia A lesbian women's studies professor They never call her a lesbian

[01:00:24] But Wikipedia is like a lesbian And it's like Interesting She has the one allusion to What the fuck did it Where she's like I mean he's not for me Right where she's sort of is a winking Like it's a 1930s like A's code movie

[01:00:41] That can only talk around it Zoey And uh Zoey And then I guess they're all just like Well we're grown up so we can all just stay in this Giant house together Yeah what a concept I love it

[01:00:55] Right cause Keaton and McDormand are saying they want to leave Also you can have it And they say you know what let's all have it Also the misunderstanding is ridiculous cause Pete's like I thought you weren't gonna be here cause you said you were writing

[01:01:07] And Keaton's like well I was gonna write here And I'm like a phone call is all this takes At her big writing desk Where all of her writing material is Clearly she wants to write in the Hamptons In a movie that's very into both texting and AIM

[01:01:21] That's true Like they're shrugging multiple forms of communication They don't check in with each other at all They don't check in Just five more minutes of work on the misunderstanding Nancy that's all I want For Pete and Nicholson this is like a teen comedy

[01:01:33] Where it's like we're gonna go to her parents' cabin this weekend I think this is the night that we're finally gonna do it Right but the idea of like Saturday Finally it's sex night Then they get there Sex afternoon

[01:01:44] Right and they are like no it's fine you can stay Then go into the bedroom and they're like Well let's continue with our plans Let's turn on Marvin Gaye Almost immediately in the daylight Just after arriving And having his wiener scene by two other women

[01:01:59] He's got the underwear on in that scene I thought they saw some wiener No no no When did they see the tush? When he's in the hospital I thought you saw a double tush in this picture He's got boxers on in the He's got boxers on

[01:02:10] Okay fair enough Nancy doesn't want to So they saw his gams Yeah they do They saw his sticks His pegs And they're all in the house together And I guess they just have dinner Because it's really just the crucial scene is that They have dinner

[01:02:24] They have a beautiful dinner A beautiful spaghetti They serve it in the big beautiful bowl And the dinner is essentially like So what the fuck Jack Nicholson Like you never been married You're dating my daughter Well McDormitt realizes that she's read this profile on him

[01:02:39] Right he's escaped the news New York Magazine I love a New York Magazine reference Like a cause that happens in Winner and Mazzalli too It's like oh I read in New York Magazine While like the white people in New York Eating dinner together

[01:02:53] It's like okay we have to add in What did you read in New York Magazine Oh you read about him Okay great He's a womanizer He's a womanizer Famous womanizer And he's responding to every question with Like what are you gonna do

[01:03:05] But that's one of the things I love about that scene It's not No one is Everyone is aware of how weird it is But everyone's approaching it Like kind of like humorously They're like this is weird Let's all recognize that this is weird

[01:03:18] And I like that the movie allows that And then when they tiptoe up to like conflict They'll kind of then tiptoe away Like you know Nicholson will be like Alright And he's like no no I'm sorry I'm sorry you know like they all

[01:03:30] There is that sort of veneer politeness That even though we get the idea that Erica Diane Keaton is You know a blunt person in some ways That she knows she can't just literally be like You're not allowed to sleep with my daughter She should probably clean playwright

[01:03:45] And also this happens and it's complicated too But it's Nancy likes She likes Peppering in a little like Progressive ideas and progressive thoughts About like relationships and sex But then she never quite crosses the finish line Like she introduces that like These are some liberal people

[01:04:05] And these are people who have like Very open-minded feelings about sex But at the end of the day like She could never handle her daughter Fucking the same guy she did She could never handle these things Like she could never handle the thought of

[01:04:16] Red lines she still has And this happens and it's complicated too And yeah so She wants to be an independent woman But she also so yearns to have This sort of like normal monogamous domestic bliss Of Nicholson the second they sleep together

[01:04:30] You know we're talking about the dinner Spaghetti and a bowl, then a diamond This feels like a good time to cut to our Remote correspondent Oh sure My sister Romley Newman A long time sister of mine Nancy Meyers fan food expert Does a segment once per episode

[01:04:47] Called Romley's Kitchen Corner So we're going to cut over live to her now Welcome to Romley's Kitchen Corner And here is your host Miss Romley Newman in her kitchen Oh hello I'm just slicing some onions in my kitchen This is my favourite Nancy Meyers kitchen by far

[01:05:05] Just because I think it looks like What Nancy Meyers kitchen probably looks like But also this is the most Kitchen heavy movie out of Any Nancy Meyers movie Probably any movie ever There's a lot of time spent in that kitchen There's an amazing Viking range Huge island

[01:05:23] A lot of fruit and bowls A lot of fresh cut flowers I mean this is what I dream of at night But it's a really good kitchen It's a really good design kitchen And two sinks A lot of cookbooks You know Diane Keenan's cooking in this kitchen

[01:05:38] Oh man that made me hungry Yep thank you Romley Thanks Romley So then they go to play Marvin Gaye and fuck While McDormand and Keetan are still at the table Talking about them fucking Can you believe like they're fucking right now They're Marvin Gaye

[01:05:54] Also McDormand has her big monologue Where she like unpacks She's a women's studies professor at Columbia Yeah I know which is a little like You're just realising Whatever it doesn't matter She has her big thesis statementy kind of monologue And France I think McDormand's great in this movie

[01:06:11] She's really funny in it She so rarely plays just like a person And she's basically playing just a normal person Who you can imagine like going to a restaurant And like eating some food It did make me wish she would do more movies like this

[01:06:23] Like not at the exclusion of other films But it'd be nice if like McDormand did like a big comedy Once every three years It's a very friends with money performance But without like the darkness Because Francis McDormand has a few lines

[01:06:34] Where she can have a lot of fun But then it's like oh this is a little too real Like I can't fully embrace this Representation I just like I feel like the Oscar season last year Turned Francis McDormand into like an elemental In my eyes now

[01:06:48] Like I just can't think of friends Inclusion is a regular person Yes I do love her though And then he has a heart attack He has a heart attack Yes A real heart attack A real heart attack At first they think And he looks like shit

[01:07:01] The screams are screams of joy And pleasure and ecstasy And then they realise Oh in fact a man has passed out Right And Diane delivers the immortal line You fucking man Which I love Yeah That's when the movie basically like It's like fast and furious

[01:07:16] Like we've kicked into five Like the fifth gear They've hit the nars I'm so happy When she says you fucking man And then he goes to the hospital And who's there but Keanu Reeves Oh my god It was so fucking hot in this movie Alright so I

[01:07:30] Yes go on Bobby sorry No I'm just agreeing Keanu Reeves is so fucking hot in this movie When he shows up in this movie It's a little alarming Yeah Who's this alabaster God And like maybe the best hair Anyone has ever had Incredible It's one of his best

[01:07:44] It's one of his best looks Yeah Except that weird suit that he wears to the The date that he gets stood up in Yes A strange very pastel suit That's quite suit That's true he's like Went into his sims wardrobe and picked like casual Or whatever

[01:07:58] But like if you like cut to a full shot of him In his feet were like one two inches off the ground You know he was just like hovering a little bit Right he's some sort of like angel Is this a remake of Michael? Now that's Norah Afron

[01:08:12] I know the head hair dresser on the tech is Keanu's like go to hair person And I just always had to hold back from being like What does it feel like Like I'd ask her questions about Keanu I'll say this because Does she like Keanu

[01:08:27] This is a platform I would love to use to shout this to the rafters Every story I have heard from everyone who has worked with Keanu In any capacity that's the fucking greatest guy Like there is no one kinder I have heard similar things

[01:08:40] More collaborative he looks out for fucking everyone on set He takes such good care of everybody I've only ever heard good things about him also He likes movies and watches lots of them A lot and he really supports people He like you know

[01:08:53] He runs a set like a president In terms of being like I will not let anyone suffer Well not like you know The current president Not like our cartoon president Wait Bobby what were you going to say What was I going to say about Keanu Reems

[01:09:08] I guess nothing Are you a Reeves fan? Yeah I am I like him a lot I haven't seen Destination Wedding but I will Oh yes I mean I will see that As it deserves to be seen like on Amazon Prime I tried to watch it at VOD

[01:09:23] In a country house upstate with my mother And I was just like I can't do this because she's going to scoff at it Like I need to watch this I'm going to watch it in a church space Because I'm going to love it

[01:09:34] So I do have a slight read on this movie That it is about like essentially Jack Nicholson Like having a heavenly experience After possibly dying or at least You know flat lining Look I had the notion watching it Rewatching it this morning that

[01:09:52] There are very few movies that commit so hard To their color palette being white Right it's the whiteness And not even creating or beige It's really white And when they're on the beach they're both wearing white The sand looks white The sky looks white

[01:10:08] It looks like a heaven set movie It looks like defending your life or something The plot is at this point it's like Well you can't go anywhere you've got to recuperate So the only place you can be is this Hampton's home With Diane alone

[01:10:20] And she's going to be all in white And everything's going to be white And you're kind of going to be trapped In a weird sort of misery Yeah exactly where it's like It's almost like your spiritual rebirth begins here Jack like you know like You can't leave and

[01:10:36] But the cinematography literally looks Leached Well that's where she starts her look This is where she starts her look And as Ron talked about the kitchen This is the first real kitchen I wanted to ask you You too about this I feel like I don't have a

[01:10:54] My eye might not be as trained as it could be But how much of those beach scenes Were On the beach And how many of them were like weird composites Some of them look really weird Because a lot of them are like oh they're on the beach

[01:11:08] But then some of them are like I think you might be On the beach but the sky is fake The sky looks so strange And sometimes it's like I think you are in a sound stage In Greenpoint Is a lot of weird CGI in this

[01:11:20] She uses a lot of CGI In the episode But I heard from reliable sources That the holiday cost a hundred million dollars And 20 plus were CGI She's like I think to some degree I think it's the control thing I don't think we really talk about this

[01:11:38] In this miniseries but She does have a reputation from everyone I know who's worked with her talking again about Reputations from crews and stuff right Of just being an insane perfectionist Huge micromanager Makes your fucking time To a David Fincher Kubrick degree

[01:11:54] But whereas those guys are allotted for Like here it takes them like 20 days to shoot one page Because every detail matters Most of the crew guys I talked to Were like yeah that chick can make up a fucking mind And it's like but you like

[01:12:08] When it's like blood spatter on a wall And you don't like it because You think it's a turtleneck and it doesn't matter She's picking between 18 different white Turtlenecks or whatever To some degree I think her Use of CGI backgrounds

[01:12:22] Isn't like well they couldn't go and film in that place I think it's more that she's like That guy has to look like that You know? It might be some combination Of touching up the image they actually created Because there are so many moments

[01:12:34] I mean the car feels like okay They didn't want to shoot in a moving vehicle That's fine they CGI the background in the car But then there's so many other moments where they like Step out of a door and you're like That block looks like Flubber That's impergatory

[01:12:48] Yes right Anyway I like this theory But also if it's the only way to Explain just the strangeness of Nancy Meyers Is universe really I think it's just the entire universe is like It's not ours They're like Twilight Zone episodes where people have like tests

[01:13:04] Of their moral integrity Because just because it's literally about Like Jack Nicholson Entering this situation and everyone being like You ever wanted to not do this though I never thought about it Well only Jack very famously like Womanizer you know like the Great American lover of the 70s

[01:13:22] And the 80s Angelica Hewson was the person who it seemed Like oh he might actually settle down with her They were together for a long time and then he got another woman pregnant And that's the only time he's ever been married

[01:13:32] And he had two kids with her I think Rebecca Broussard yes Lorraine And Raymond and of course Amy Nicholson Is his daughter as previously established on her episode Uh huh That marriage lasted Uh for five years Okay But that really felt like it was a

[01:13:50] I want the children to have a proper I don't want to project but by all appearances It felt like it was like He got someone pregnant in an affair Outside of his long time relationship with Angelica Hewson And wanted the kids to be in a stable home

[01:14:02] And hasn't remarried since then Diane Keaton is more of the Nicholson in this case than she is Never been married I'm not sure she is actually the lifelong bachelor Right and like 20 plus years ago She was like I'm just going to adopt kids

[01:14:16] I don't ever want to have a husband I just want to raise kids on my own and she did It's interesting that I feel like their reputations Are kind of flipped in terms of the public perception Because she's another person who had

[01:14:28] Like all these super famous long term relationships With collaborators Well she dated Woody Allen, Lauren Beatty Al Pacino right those are the three big ones And she dated each of them for a long time And then we've heard that she apparently

[01:14:40] Did Keanu Reeves after this movie which is insane Oh really I didn't know that We have been told that We've been told that it will come later episode It's corroborated but yes I think for a little brief Like a summer romance Something just had to give apparently

[01:14:56] Another reason to like Keanu Reeves I know But I'm sure you guys read Like the couple interviews Nicholson's done The last couple of years where he talks about Like yeah I wonder if I fucked it up And he's like

[01:15:10] You know I'm like 80 years old and I sleep alone In a bed and I wonder if I Had too much fun at the expense Of ever actually building a life for myself I'll say like when you watch him in this movie Like doing the more vulnerable stuff

[01:15:22] Like where he's sort of hobbling around At the hospital and afterwards and stuff Like when he falls over In the parking lot outside the hospital I'm thinking like God I want him to do Like that Tony Urban remake or something

[01:15:34] Like I want Jack to do like one more thing Well and you like you compare Like him to Beatty Right? And those were like the two major Hollywood Lovers at that time And then Beatty like settles down hard With Annette Benning and he was just like

[01:15:48] Yeah you know I was like old I'm not gonna like do this all the time I met a woman I loved we had a bunch of kids I'm really happy and Nicholson just never Slowed down like like I think His date to the premiere of this movie

[01:16:00] Was Paz de la Huerta Really? It was either this one or the one Paz de la Huerta would have been a teenage Maybe it was the departed Paz de la Huerta went to my high school graduate before I got there And it was either the departed Or this

[01:16:16] I remember the uh She would have been 19 when this movie came out So that would have been a major play by Nicholson I think it was the departed maybe she was 21 But it was like everyone at school was like

[01:16:26] Did you see who Nicholson brought to the fucking red carpet last night It was either 06 or 04 This is 03 Oh right so it was 06 or 03 She's either 19 or she's 22 Yes 06, seeing pictures of his kids at the premiere Picture of him with a cigarette in his mouth Uh Amanda Pete

[01:16:42] That's like When's the last time he did like the thing where he sits at the front of the Oscars With the sunglasses I think it was the last crystal one Is the last crystal one? No you know what it was the last time was uh

[01:16:54] He's the one who announces Crash Right But then 2000 I think 2006 Was a crystal I remember the year where he Also uh came out and his head was Totally shaved and everyone's freaked out By an internet was for the bucket list

[01:17:12] That's the last time I remember him at the Oscars Which would be around then because bucket list is 07 So it was an 06 yeah I mean the point is just after he's made this movie that's sort of about The Jack Nicholson type reckoning With the lack of substance

[01:17:24] To his like ripping through ladies lifestyle He still continues to take 21 year olds And 22 year olds as his date The premiere of movies about the fact that he should have Settled down Because he didn't take Nancy Meyers seriously I know like he should have rewatched it later on

[01:17:38] Maybe this movie was an intervention for him In this movie he's like 40% Of the way to his departed performance Like there are moments of mania I mean I love his departed performance I think it is underrated When you're staring down the bullet of a gun

[01:17:52] Those scenes of the departed where he's just sitting at that glass table And he like picks up a severed hand That's in a bag for some reason Like those scenes are amazing But that was another one where people kind of punched him

[01:18:02] Because they were like I don't know it's Jack doing Jack Right they were just like yeah and he did This is Jack being crazy, didn't get the Oscar nomination Right, like the only modern one He gets the nomination for is about Schmidt

[01:18:12] Because he played so thoroughly against type And my dad seeing them being like it's weird He never turns into Jack Like I sat there the whole time waiting for the scene Where he's going to Jack out Like when he gets to the wedding he's going to lose it

[01:18:24] Right And he's restrained the whole time Yeah The Tony Erdman, I mean it's like That is the one way that movie being Remade was exciting No I know, I want them to remake Tony Erdman Is it going to be remake? It seems like he dropped out

[01:18:40] It was going to happen with him and Kristen Wig Right and um And Lena Dunham was writing it With Jenny Connor but then they dropped out But now kids are all right supposed to direct it I think when she got attached Cholodenko It was noted that Nicholson

[01:18:56] Was no longer attached So they hired Cholodenko after Nicholson dropping out So Maybe she could lure him back Because to me he's kind of the appeal of doing that movie Because who else could do that Where it would work and it would mix Kill Murray, I guess

[01:19:12] But like even who else from that generation Or surrounding that I mean look if Warren Beatty wants to do it Redford That'd be great if he unretired Six months But I'm only going to wear the weird furry monster suit The whole time

[01:19:28] Or they just make it another Kevin Hart movie Yeah right, it's just uh Eddie Murphy God I love Eddie Murphy I'm trying to think of people who are just kind of like Adrift right now They announced he's going to make a grumpy old men remake

[01:19:42] And I was like is that one of those things where old people looked older back then I think it is Like he's literally 17 years younger Oh oh Than the younger of the two was Than Lemon was Yeah he's not old enough yet

[01:19:56] I just assumed that was the case and I didn't even look it up I was like oh that's weird We felt like he was so old but Jack Lemon was actually just 60 Yeah it's like when you look up like The Golden Girls were 36 when they started this show

[01:20:06] Like Estelle Getty was so young Jack Lemon was born in 1925 Yes And Eddie Murphy was born in 61 Longer Eddie You're only 57 years old and not that old And Jack Lemon was I believe like 72 in that first one And that was mid 70s He's an old man

[01:20:26] He is and Margaret God Firecracker that one So what happens if something's got to give Go on He's been hospitalized they say He's got to stay rested He's got to stay planted And Pete doesn't want to stay put there No she's got auctions to hold

[01:20:46] She's so busy at Christie's Christie's Rockefeller Center Zoe has to re-enlist As a misage Zoe has to be part of like operation Sworn vengeance So Keaton's like oh you expect me to be In the house with him Which does sound like a very broad comedy premise

[01:21:04] Which is like two people couldn't see more different stuff In a house together The first five minutes of this you're like oh it's a broad comedy because John Fevro is there The lady assistant Who has one line But a very high billed John Fevro with less than

[01:21:16] 15 words of dialogue But he's got that scene where he like is crying Almost like and is happy that he's still alive But then they're like anyway we gotta go So then it is the two of them You're like okay culture clash in a house

[01:21:28] It's just gonna be them arguing and they only fall in love at the end And she's writing and he wants to Smoke cigars and listen to rap music Right what else Be on the phone and just be on the phone One thing I didn't That cigar scene

[01:21:42] I mean and I've seen this movie a million times And I had still forgotten I was like what is she doing with this glass And it's like how did he know that that's what she wanted from him To drop the cigar in the glass Yeah it's just like

[01:21:54] It's like a fully like a barely smoked cigar Yeah it's like not this intuitive thing Anytime I watch it and it's like oh okay I guess that makes sense He could just put it out like a normal person Also if you notice there's

[01:22:06] A little bit of I don't know if it's Food or just cigar ash on the On the bed as he's lying there On the phone with whoever And it's like I wonder how tough that was For Nancy or if it like

[01:22:18] Knowing what I know now about like how much of a perfectionist That she is like it's like How much ash did she think was okay Like how much is too much how much how little is too little I'll tell you like the Extreme endpoint of the

[01:22:30] Perfectionism I've heard Is that like her movies all go Way over schedule way over budget right? Sure So like the intern apparently went like Two full months over schedule And they had all these insert shots They had to shoot with a second unit

[01:22:45] And they were like Nancy you cannot be On set like we need to just Get these done this has to be a succinct day And she insisted on Sending her assistant over To set with an iPad and she facetimed In to approve every detail

[01:22:59] On the insert shot like they wouldn't allow Her on set and she was like I'm not going To insert shots that don't fit into my aesthetic of the world I respect it I love it Yeah I love it So how do they get to like each other

[01:23:13] I guess she just sort of realizes he's like a real person They go shopping and they talk about rap music And it's sort of implied that he never has These sorts of conversations with women He never really has connections with people That are more than superficial

[01:23:28] So it's like if he If this kind of womanizer asshole man Just gives a woman a chance like he'll change He'll change And she seems to have a pretty small isolated circle She spends a lot of time writing in the house by herself

[01:23:42] Her biggest creative partner is her ex-husband Her best friend is her sister And her other best friend is her daughter Right we should say her husband is played by Starsky Yes Not Hutch Starsky who also directed Kazam True Paul Microglazer who is playing a guy that like

[01:23:58] I'd love to be Yes When I'm 55 or whatever Your collar's up Yeah my collar's up My sunglasses attached A little croaky Around the neck You know I look like pretty good Like I've got a trainer or something Like you know I'm trying to keep

[01:24:11] But you don't go too many days a week No it's I'm pretty chill about it And yeah I like try and keep in touch with what the kids listen to But like you know I know I'm an older guy

[01:24:20] I don't know it's just like that specific kind of LA Jewish guy Like who's just like at the bar mitzvahs and stuff And he's got his like LaCoste shirt Just a breezy life Like Jack's dad is cool Yeah right And even Jack Sims dad

[01:24:34] Yeah I'm like hey you guys want pizza He's always got pizza So he's sort of floating around What is he, what is he? An agent He's her director He's the director Right She writes the plays he directs them She married him because her life is so small

[01:24:49] The only man she ever loved was the one Man who directed the plays Which is again like That must be a Charles Shire It's Nancy I mean this feels very Nancy And it's also one of the reasons that it works Is that she doesn't have

[01:25:04] The movies that are her biggest failures Don't have a Nancy parallel And so in terms of the directorial efforts Like the holiday really doesn't have one Yeah I think that's why the holiday feels untethered Suffers The holiday doesn't really have one What women want doesn't have one

[01:25:19] Helen Hunt is not Nancy Meyers at all No she's a fascinating character But she's definitely not a Nancy Except for like the divorce I guess And the intern I think there's some The intern it's like they're both Nancy They're both their Nancy split in two That's the key

[01:25:32] Is that like Hathaway is like the adventures of young Nancy Yeah the intern is a triumph Yeah Not the intern That was the quote on the VHS box right A triumph Credit to you This one is just Nancy This is her purest Nancy This is right

[01:25:45] And again it makes sense for her first Like pure Nancy written and directed by Nancy movie Would be like her really wrestling with like Nancy It's her using very openly using herself as the Parallel and very openly using Jack Nicholson as Jack Nicholson too Yeah

[01:26:03] Like we were talking about it earlier But the call out to what is his line You are a What is the woman like You're a woman to love You're a woman to love It must have been a reference to You make me want to be a better man

[01:26:14] Which had become one of his like most iconic lines Where she sort of swept up in it And then she's like What does that mean And there's that seam right goes Where does he get all those wonderful toys And then he calls her Batman while they're fucking

[01:26:27] That's a quote back to some of his earlier work Like five easy pieces Oh yeah right What I was gonna say is Cause you guys are asking like wait So how do they start to like each other The big thing that jumped out to me was

[01:26:39] I mean just like They aim Right They hop on aim They hop on aim There's a little chemistry even in that first bedroom scene When he Yeah that's true And it's just like These two haven't had these conversations before It's the big thing It's July Yeah Why Turtleman

[01:26:55] They don't talk like this to anyone else Well the thing that jumped out to me I was watching the movie with A lot of times I would watch movies at home I like to watch them with subtitles Yeah sure You know cause you never know

[01:27:04] What kind of sounds are gonna happen Sometimes it's also nice to Visually see the writing No I understand And a thing that popped out to me was How many times in this movie they say Me too And it popped out to me because

[01:27:15] Me too is now like a phrase With a lot of weight behind it Sure But I just realized how often In this movie with the two of them together One of them says something And the other one goes Huh me too And it's this notion that like

[01:27:26] They've never talked to someone else Who has the same perspective on certain things Even though they seem so different on the surface Things like them not sleeping There's so much of them mirroring each other In surprise in that kind of way And you go like

[01:27:39] Okay Keaton's life is this tiny little bubble The only man she ever loved Is the man that she worked with And she still works with the only man she ever loved And Kea, Nicholson's the opposite Where it's like He's got so many people, none of them really matter

[01:27:51] Well right, because you see him throw that party later Which is Another scene where you're like Right But right Where he's sort of a drift He can't relate to these women he's dating And in his work you can't imagine He can relate to the rappers he represents

[01:28:04] The idea though Is that like They're both masters of their domain And so putting them together Right, they're both a little unmoored Because they're like I'm usually the boss of everything Like who are you to tell me To put my cigar

[01:28:14] One second I am, get together someone's gotta get And that's But that's also another He's out He's out Shut up Taking a hammer to the studio Another thing that's great about this Is that it's like the full It's the full story of a romance

[01:28:31] In a way that she never really gets So like in Parent Trap you have A romance that already existed Like you have all these romance That are pre-existing romances And like it's complicated in this And the holiday doesn't really It ends with them kind of getting together

[01:28:44] For the first time And this is a romance from start to finish In a way that she'd never really done before And the fact that the second hour of the movie Is them processing the one week That it really is just them going like Ever have that chance

[01:28:57] It's true, it's true Because they have one in super intense week They have like the best sex of their lives Right I guess I do like sex That scene is also so fucking hot It's hot Just in terms of Him cutting off the turtleneck is really hot

[01:29:13] I was watching and I was like this is a lot broader We're forgetting the nudity We're forgetting that Oh right, that happens Because that's when they sort of start bonding Is them trying to make jokes about it And I always found it kind of offensive

[01:29:25] That this movie got a PG-13 Because the implication always seemed to be Like well no one would find that sexy It's shadowy, it's very brief That's why You're allowed to do brief non-sexual nudity But don't you think there's the element of like Two fucks

[01:29:39] I'm saying she's dancing around that R line Non-sexual fuck She's dancing But she's also nancing She is nancing in this one I just like, I forgot I mean of course I remembered the You know Oh, like the covering their eyes Which they like crystal-carrotied at the Oscars

[01:29:54] Right, right, right Showing us more than we ever want to see Very true But that is, I forgot that then He's like I didn't see anything Just your tits Which I think is a really funny line Nancy is a little dirtier

[01:30:08] Than you remember anytime you watch these movies Like and it's one of her best qualities Like she's When her characters actually have sex The way the people talk about sex is really honest And the way that's kind of surprising For these types of films

[01:30:23] And right, so then they have The iceberg or joke around the nudity They go shopping They start finding more and more of their connections And then she kisses him Right And they have this amazing sex Which Keanu had told him

[01:30:34] He could only have sex after he is able to climb They take the blood pressure Right And a lot of the blood pressure monitor Flying through the air And again, in another movie That would have been, you know, 80 minutes in When he finally can climb the stairs

[01:30:46] That would have been 40 minutes in This would be a comedy of manners That ends with them getting together there And happy Right, happy ending But I think A thing she's really fucking good at Is getting what the actual exciting Intimacy of these situations Is the feeling comfortable enough

[01:31:04] To do things you haven't felt Comfortable enough to do around other people More than the sex itself The things like the loss of the turtle neck Which is very, very like Underlined, highlighted, emboldened With the scissors and everything But the blood pressure and all that

[01:31:18] They're both like owning who they are Yeah And I think, you know, Nora Ephron Wrote the famous, like, I hate my neck thing And I think that became the sort of con card For women of a certain age That becomes a big point of insecurity for them

[01:31:32] Like they feel like they see the aging On their neck and their hands And those are two things they try to hide And Nancy always wears fucking turtle necks And it just feels like a very honest thing To be like this is the thing she never

[01:31:43] Would feel comfortable showing Even to her sister and her daughter And then for the rest of the movie She's wearing v-neck The v-neck, yeah Her neck is always on display There's a transformation And it's one of those subtle story telling things Where every scene when you establish her

[01:31:57] A new outfit, it has an emotional ping to it Because you're like, she's still showing her neck And I think that's one of the reasons that This movie was a slow burn for me Not only because I saw it when I was a teenager

[01:32:09] And I didn't really care about appreciating it That was my thing And then I watched it Yeah, and I watched it again as an adult And I was like, why did I not give this The time of day? Because I always wrote it off Yeah

[01:32:20] And it has aged so much better Than it's complicated And I don't want to keep harping on it's complicated But specifically because I recently watched both of them It's just like this movie This is everything And when people Not to offend anyone in the room

[01:32:37] But it's like when people place It's complicated over something's got to give I just want to scream at them Like watch it again Like you're not really paying attention To something's got to give Or you're misremembering it The heroic Baldwin is like one tenth of Nicholson Right, yeah

[01:32:51] Like I mean now It's complicated feels like the sketch comedy version Of this and has the moment to pay those But the thing that's surprising is just How fucking deep Diane Keat Goes into this thing Right You know and with Keat With Nicholson it

[01:33:05] There was more to lose in him Examining his own persona in this way Because Baldwin at that point Doing it complicated Like it's complicated had just become Oh he used to be hot Now he's fat and he does comedies It's not sort of like cutting

[01:33:19] In the same sort of way And her crying after they have sex I mean all that kind of stuff is just like Fuck, like this feels extreme Watching this in a movie feels like Watching like a brutal fight scene or something Like you don't see things that feel

[01:33:35] This kind of visceral and messy So after they bow Yes, they take a one way to take it Well in town They part ways basically right He gets to go home He can leave Right because he can walk up the stairs

[01:33:47] Well they're gonna sleep in the same bed together And she starts asking about the trip to Paris And immediately the monogamous thing Comes in and freaks him out Although he can't do this She's like right She rolls home and I'm home So what do you do?

[01:34:01] And then he comes back in And realizes like he's gonna give it a shot And for the first time ever Eight hours of sleep baby Right because they both only sleep four hours And when they mention Paris It's done still sort of platonically It's like Oh right

[01:34:15] She just go and celebrate her birthdays together Her favorite restaurant, best roast chicken Yeah the best roast chicken Okay Nancy the best roast chicken And it's like well we have left over Cacovan and I can make pancakes His choice is pancake He wants pancake

[01:34:30] And then yeah so he goes off And Amanda Pete has a goddamn meltdown Because her dad is marrying someone that's like her age Yeah just mom can you please drive three hours Into the city Right In the middle of traffic I think the Pete character is fine

[01:34:44] In the first part of this movie She's a little tougher to take in this chunk You know because it just She seems like she should be a little more Like Should be a little girl High schooler Sure But she's very quickly Supportive of the relationship

[01:35:00] Like she doesn't act as a roadblock Yeah had she acted as a roadblock It would have been more frustrating If she had gone full it's complicated I think it would have been tougher to like her Right I mean yes there's more grace in this

[01:35:12] Her versus like the Lake Bell character Which obviously has to do with the fact That she's also a daughter In addition to being the romantic rival To some extent But earlier than this You forget that Pete calls Says she's met another guy

[01:35:26] Comes up tries to break up with Nicholson And realizes that he dumped her first Right Oh yeah I love that And they start that's when she says to Keaton Like what about the two of you together And she makes it clear like we never had sex Right

[01:35:39] That's in the is that in the grocery store Yes Okay And Keanu's been hovering all this time Keanu's hovering because when he meets Erika He's like I'm such a fan Yeah I've read all your plays Do you kind of wonder Let's just speculate about this universe

[01:35:55] Do you think that That Erika would have agreed to start dating This younger doctor had she not met Jack Nicholson No right isn't that sort of the implication here No way Keanu opened up her life In more ways than one Right

[01:36:12] And he's making such pervasive argument for like Why not have fun Right That I think she Because she's so resistant to Keanu Even when this guy's got everything going for him And is a fan of her work and all of that Because it's just like

[01:36:23] I don't want to be the fucking person who dates younger people Yeah and she's It's just ridiculous She just thinks it's ridiculous Like it would just be ridiculous for her to do that And also there's that thing right at the start

[01:36:32] Where she's like I'm working on my new play And they're like what's it about And she's like Oh this like completely uptight annoying divorced woman But she's fun And everyone's like Oh is she and she's like Well I'm trying to figure that out Right

[01:36:43] And then Nicholson helps her figure that out Yeah I also love I've always wanted to write up A play that ends in Paris Which is more like Do you see what I'm doing? Is she like a terrible play right? I think so When you see her play

[01:36:54] Reminds me a lot of Emma Stone's One Woman Show in La La Land Where she's like kind of like a mirror And then she's like you know Hey multiple Hitting some cymbals together Multiple dancing Jack Nicholson That's one of my One of my questions in my notes is

[01:37:07] Question Is her play good? I think at best Because they talk about her It's like she's such a The greatest female playwright since Fucking I forget what name they draw I'm trying to even think Who she's sort of presenting Neil Simon Kind of

[01:37:21] It's like a Neil Simon thing Because the way that like Keanu talks about her Like oh is she like Wendy Wasserstein And then you see her play This looks really borshy Right she's broad Like she writes plays for people To go like Oh like that Old Jew comedies

[01:37:33] Yeah And I say with complete kindness She is like a female Neil Simon Old Jew comedies She's my best read on the situation She's like a female Neil Simon She's like a female I'm my best read on the situation And the play thing is another way

[01:37:46] That I think you get I hate to be going back to this But like another window into Nancy That you don't get in her other movies Where she's specifically talking about herself Right this is a creative person Yeah and she says It's when they talk about Paris

[01:37:58] And how unbelievable it is And she says something like If I don't give it to the audience If I don't give them this fantasy Then who will And it's sort of like That's really how Nancy sees herself That's her mission statement So it's sort of

[01:38:11] It gives credence to the I mean I don't know To the It gives a new level to her Or it gives context to her perfectionism In that like She's not doing it for her She's doing it because she feels Like she has to Like she's doing this thing

[01:38:25] That the public deserves Because they're not getting it anywhere else It's the same thing that Like a Grand Budapest Haudel does Like it has Like the Ray Fiennes character Explained to the audience Why Wes Anderson is so fussy About these things Cause he's trying to like

[01:38:38] Create a world that he misses And she wants to like Create a fantasy that people can escape to And part of that's the apartment porn And the outfits And the gauziness I mean the thing I was going to say The connection to the National Treasure thing

[01:38:50] Is I was watching one of these video interviews That GQ's been doing the things Where they have the actor Like go over all their roles Which those videos are really fucking enjoyable That's kind of nasty essentially They have that like studio Where they do all this stuff

[01:39:03] Cause they've also like The reaching into the box The Vanity Fair has Right Where you like look up Google terms All those things But this one is just specifically Breaks down the most iconic role Yes And the Nicholas Cage one is incredible It's very cool

[01:39:14] A fan like me He's really sort of sober And wise about the history of his work And saying what he likes And what he was trying to do And all of this But he talks about the National Treasure movies And he says

[01:39:24] None of us thought that was going to be a hit It looked really embarrassing The thing that The moment where I thought it might work Was John Voight came up to me on set And he says This turtle top guy is good And he was like

[01:39:36] Yeah, I mean he's like You know John Voight said to him No the thing you don't understand is He's making a souffle It seems really light and airy But if he gets one element wrong The whole thing is going to deflate Right And movies like that

[01:39:48] That people are like Yeah it's like dump fun Right It's really hard to be dump fun Versus this movie sucks And it's boring And I don't want to watch it Or the logic makes so little sense That I check out And I feel like Nancy is

[01:39:59] Like a souffle filmmaker Where there's like a lot of care And artistry into trying to make this Thing that's like feather light Where it's like rich people Like having blown up drama Around tiny problems In lives that feel perfect Feel enjoyable without becoming Like irritating or meandering

[01:40:17] You know Especially because her films Do have these like 17 act structures That is sort of like the artistry Of what she does And it makes sense that she's that Obsessed about like I mean we found it in It's complicated episode that she made Like Steve Martin do like

[01:40:31] 10 makeup tests Like that's what they do with like Killer croc and suicide squad And she was like No the foundation isn't right And it's like it's Steve Martin He looks the same in every movie But she just has this notion of The world that she wants to create

[01:40:44] And the weird thing with this movie Is it's like Diane Keaton is trying to make A Nancy Meyers movie out of her life But she's trying to make like The Nancy Meyers Charles Shire movie Yeah And what she's living is a lot messier It's complicated

[01:41:00] And this is Nancy like Separating herself from the Shire Filmography and being like I'm gonna go deeper Like it's still gonna have this Vanir and this Sheen And this intoxicating world And the movie stars and all of that But I'm gonna do the scenes

[01:41:14] That everyone else cuts out And I'm gonna have it take place At different points And I'm gonna show an hour of them Thinking about that week I love that half the movie Is an hour of them thinking about the week Pretty much

[01:41:25] That's the thing that really sells me On this movie To make it special Movies along Yeah And I'm gonna go to New York To see Cadice Strickland Right Whatever That's irrelevant It's really, that's just a device For her to see Nicholson On a date

[01:41:39] Well, because at this point Yeah, Nicholson went back And he was like Look, I gotta go on with my life And we knew there was no hope Between her and the divorce And the ex husband Right Oh, it was never possible No, that doesn't seem like

[01:41:50] An open door But because she's in this restaurant Meeting the husband's new beau Yeah She sees Nicholson With a short haired woman A Marley Shelton type Uh-huh And is She lives Is mortified She falls apart I think she doesn't realize How emotionally attached She was until she sees

[01:42:09] Somebody in this situation Right, and so she sort of Drags him out of there And yells at him on the street For ten minutes Like a full ten minutes Right Right, there's like Fourteen different lines In that scene Yes Like Nancy Sort of like haymakers Ding dong

[01:42:24] Ding dong Ding dong That bells ringing a lot Ding dong Okay, okay, get the bell Someone's Let me get the door Ah My God, his hands are in his pockets How is he bringing the door back? Oh no I know who this is He's back

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[01:45:52] So yeah He leaves her outside the restaurant Uh huh Or she leaves him outside the restaurant She gets in a cab That's been parked That's in the whole time She just gets in it Classic movie And then he thinks he's having another heart attack

[01:46:06] This is one Rachel Tocotin comes in Yeah, Dr. Rachel Tocotin Absolutely just takes the movie Just suplexes it It's just incredible Yeah, she gets bucked She just runs with this movie Her scene is really good Yeah When she says Well, while I found your diagnosis Interesting Right

[01:46:25] She essentially is like Will you fucking calm down? You're so stressed out With the hip and the hop Why are you going on dates? You had a heart attack you maniac Oh yeah That's also the scene where she says It was a week ago

[01:46:38] And you realize it was a week ago It was a week ago And he's already dressed up Like some mobster And he's getting his pasta primavera And like She's like Why aren't you in a like a sofa Watching movies She looks like a Dick Tracy

[01:46:54] Go turn on DCM you weirdo Meanwhile Diane Keaton's like I'd turn off my turtle next for this And then now she can't stop writing And can't stop crying Yes, and then we have the crying montage The crying montage is so funny Yeah And it's so good

[01:47:11] It shouldn't work It shouldn't work It goes on so long It's the reason it works It's just so long It's like the peeing gag And Austin Powers It's so funny And she really does Like she does so many different types of cries It really is like

[01:47:24] It's a real showcase It's great If you have the read in this movie That this has all been in Nicholson's head After he has a heart attack And like it seems like he's spiritually healed But then he like Goes off And then like it hasn't worked

[01:47:36] And then the angel is so upset That there's this like cosmic crack Right Like she goes back to her weird little Like way station But all she can do is cry Right, like Claraball can't get its wings And then yeah

[01:47:49] She writes a play about what a jerk he is And Keanu thinks it's the best thing she's written Because Because he wants to sleep with her Franny McDormand sees him picking out an apple At the old fruit stand And brings him over Gives it a second shock

[01:48:05] I forgot about that, right He brings the flowers This is so fucking charming When he says like When she brings you to give to me When I forgive you And I'm like just fuck me Keanu fuck me Come into my home Take me any way you want Outrageous

[01:48:18] You own my body Keanu The only thing that you would be worried about Is like you seem like you might be a spy Or something, you're too perfect Like if I sleep with you Do you like somehow Like is this compromise Is this his character from the watcher

[01:48:30] Is this some sort of like bait and switch Oh boy But so charming Now he's reading the play He's loving it They're kind of hitting it off I like the butts You got this scene with butts Bobby do you have a thought No I'm processing something

[01:48:47] I'm trying to think of something But no, no, keep going Something's bubbling away Something's bubbling But then it's like We don't need to talk about this The last scene before the six months later Is their big fight in the You know on the stage With the butts Right

[01:49:01] Where she's like I'm trying to decide whether or not To kill your character Yes And he's like well fuck you Maybe he doesn't Right and does he literally He literally just like walks past the theater And sees the posters and everything Right Cause then he just walks in

[01:49:14] No he does that That's later Later was the player Actually And I watched this with Joey Simms Past and Future Guys Hummelbrang And he works in theater And I was like you can't just like do that Right You can't just like walk up to a show

[01:49:26] After an hour Like and just open the door And he was like no Otherwise that's how everyone would see Hamilton Just go just wait five minutes Don't buy a ticket stand in the back It's literally the major conflict Of Spider-Man 2 Right of course

[01:49:39] Is that you can't enter a Broadway show After it started But Spider-Man 2 comes year after So it's a corrective That's true And you know what Maybe you can walk into a play Musicals, no Do you think Sam Raimi like walked into like Alvin Sargent's office

[01:49:52] And was like we gotta throw out everything We have so far I just got out of something Gotta give And we need to offer a corrective Oh boy Right He goes in there and then six months later He just goes to see He just goes to see her

[01:50:07] He hears about the play I don't know What is this? Yeah what does it call It doesn't matter I don't even remember her asking Keanu out On a date that she then stands some up on Like when you cut to Keanu With a restaurant Oh right

[01:50:19] Did they make plans? I don't think that's ever established I think it's just We're only supposed to know it Because he's sitting alone You never see the date get scheduled And then he orders a martini And then she gets a martini

[01:50:31] She has that line at the dinner where she goes You forget how quickly these just slipped down Which is a weird thing to say So now he sees the play It's about me No it's someone like you And then it's like literally everything's being

[01:50:46] Recreated and restaged around him And no one knows that it's him Because when he goes and visits Amanda Pete And the new boyfriend That's six months later That's six months later So we might as well We get a six months later cut It's snowing

[01:50:59] Jack Nicholson has a beard He has one of the To show that time The biggest beard I've ever seen And also It literally looks like a stage beard I would say it's like bad glue I think it's one of the best fake beards I've ever seen

[01:51:11] You like the beard? I'll tell you why Because fake beards are so bad That they always look bad And this one at least has A little bit of character to it This beard sucks Fake beards are so bad They never look good on anyone They never pass

[01:51:25] But what about the good beards That we don't know about Like the we just assume are real Like do they exist? I challenge you to find one I don't know He's got a ridiculous beard A metapede has been In a loving relationship for years somehow

[01:51:39] This is the clearest argument For my theory Because a metapede seems to have lived a life Or my theory that she's the doctor Because she in the six months in between Has met a man, married him And is now three months pregnant

[01:51:52] I think the only reason for this Is because Nancy had a final line In mind and she needed to work Her way into that final line Which is like four and a half Or whatever it is Like she wanted it in with the baby

[01:52:02] And the only way she could end with the baby Is to have Amanda Pete suddenly meet a guy And explain it away by saying Like I live in Manhattan I meet a million people a day She called up Amy Pascal and she was like

[01:52:13] I got a three point joke from mid-court If you green light it I'll figure out the rest of the movie It's Nicholson, Keaton, Pete A baby and a man And they go four and a half And she's like yeah done Hundred million dollars

[01:52:25] Come back when you got a script Ridiculous And she wrote it in the weekend She wrote it in the weekend She wrote it in the weekend She was crying the whole time Right looking out at the sound One hand was typing The other hand was cutting up turtle

[01:52:36] Next with gold scissors Yeah so he first surprises I guess he sees the play From the backs Like a sneak sand And he kind of like smiles Smiles he's like I sure fucked her He's embarrassing He's embarrassed but he gets it Yeah then he goes to see Pete

[01:52:55] And Pete's like oh me? Who me? Like here's my husband Like and here's my bump And he's the most domestic man In the history of cinema Right exactly like I just Literally pulled at the wallpaper And this guy came out of it Yeah And then Nicholson makes

[01:53:11] My name is Mr. Stable Good Person Which is yeah but which is Nancy saying Halley this is the sort of man I want you to end up with Halley is a nice doctor You can go on a date with Nicholson Yeah You gotta marry this librarian

[01:53:22] You gotta marry this librarian Or something right And then and he makes the very Sound decision to fly to Paris And go to this restaurant That she said she liked one time Right What was that shot in Paris do we think No The shot when he steps out

[01:53:35] In the Eiffel Tower is behind him Is one of the ones that looks like Ratatouille The music also sounds like Ratatouille It looks as good as Ratatouille Hans Zimmer again Nancy's reliable Sweeping score And I think yeah And this is the movie speaking Of the score

[01:53:51] This is where her like you know Her like delicate like Spanish guitar Comes in for the first time Like this is this is where it begins Everything about all of those Specific aesthetics begins here It's like the music in the waiting room Of your massage pulverizing

[01:54:03] It's like that's that's the score for Her films she hands those CDs She goes to the receptionist and goes Can you give me the name of the track Sends it to Hans Zimmer and says Replicate this for 90 minutes I also I'm sorry to go back on

[01:54:16] This but I'm thinking about what you said Again about the perfectionist stuff And it and there was an interview I read with her I think it was the one that was In New York magazine and someone asked Her about was for the you know

[01:54:24] The intern the the famed intern Promo cycle and she someone asked her About you know like her aesthetic And her aesthetic and her houses And the houses and the houses and she Is a little annoyed by the question And this happened a few times during

[01:54:37] That promo cycle and she was like I don't know why people are asking me This suddenly she's like I like Interior design I like houses I keep a Pinterest board and she's Just like sure that's not it just Seems so obvious to her it's like

[01:54:47] Why wouldn't I have a beautiful house Like why wouldn't I make the most Of this and make everything look good The other thing I remember her Saying in that press tour just came back It's a little absurd of her to do that It's a little absurd but she

[01:54:57] Made a whole movie about a kitchen She gets she gets she gets over it By the end of that like by the end Of that cycle she's used to it Yes but I think again it was Suddenly people cared about her And people were asking about the

[01:55:08] They were analyzing her work They whispered about it Right as no tour But they never approached her about it Yeah right they were putting all The films together as like a body That the other thing I remember Her saying in that press cycle Was someone once again said

[01:55:21] Like why are you so meticulous But all these details And she said I think a Which sweater a character wears Can say as much if you choose it Correctly as any other element of a film And people think I get caught up In these superficial details

[01:55:34] But they do inform character And it's like that's those are The colors on her palette Like that's how she knows how to Characterize you know And like fill these words She's like I'm a director Right yeah And I'll say like you know Romley you know doing these

[01:55:49] Kitchen corners like for someone Like my sister who understands Kitchen layout and the actual Like appliances in there Like they all check out In terms of like yeah that is The exact kitchen that person would have Right she's never like oh this kitchen

[01:56:05] Makes no sense in terms of like Where everything is like yeah Right this is totally designed by Productions that are never made The houses all that stuff Right it's just like you do Get a sense of a world Entering her movies that is Fully realized

[01:56:17] And there are any All you need They really are all you need Yeah so he's in Paris And he shows up at the restaurant She's just so like loose and happy Now you know what I mean She's so chill She's so and I do love that

[01:56:31] She's so chill even though Keanu Secretly like in another room Like in the bathroom or something Polishing his engagement Right yeah Yeah Keanu is playing A very strange person in this movie Because when he comes back Yeah He's like rather than be like Anyway nice to see you

[01:56:47] Say He stays with them And then takes out the engagement ring Like I know he doesn't open it But he like takes out the box So if your read is that Nicholson is dead And Keaton is an angel My read is that Keanu is an alien

[01:57:01] In this film Because he's like a star man I like having sex with you Nicholson has like broken Keanu is also an angel Obviously right And Nicholson has like broken something And now the angels are like Getting together Like rather than just helping The dead like through their

[01:57:18] Maybe Keanu never has never left the Hamptons You know like Keanu went to like Hamptons medical school Like just like Hamptons everything It really does feel that way right He was born in Sag Harbor Right yeah Maybe he took a few trips into the city

[01:57:31] To see one of her plays His favorite NBA team is the Hampton Seashells That's my joke for the episode Thank you very much He's a strange guy But I You look past it Cause it's like I know I see what you're doing here Nancy

[01:57:46] Like I see what you're doing with the younger guy So I'm just going to choose to ignore Everything that is like completely bizarre And unbelievable about this person Yes yes I agree with that He starts the big monologue On making amends with all the women in his life

[01:58:00] After Keanu comes back to the table Right Which he cut back to A lot of calls Right so what have you been doing for the last six months He sold everything He gave it all up He ditched Favreau And his townhouse rap parties For Aruba

[01:58:17] Where is he going Somewhere in Bahamas Yeah I don't remember one of those And he said he was there for five minutes And realized it was wrong Which I love I love that cut to him Where did they film that See the thing is

[01:58:28] That shot looks like it was filmed It was certainly on a beach I mean yeah But I love that cut to him Where he's like I'm not gonna do this He throws his like You know Goes back home Opens the drawer Finds all his little black books

[01:58:41] And starts going back to like Every woman he ever Right this is the thing This feels like Right he's come out of heaven He's back He's got a second chance In real life Cause that's the other read Is that this is real Diane Keaton I guess

[01:58:55] I don't fucking know it doesn't matter Anyway because like right He does have this weird AA Kind of like He's gotta make amends He apologizes for being such a creep Yes And there's that You don't see anyone tell him That he's a creep You just see a montage

[01:59:08] Of someone silently telling him What a jerky is While he like not And that's the thing It's not even that he goes to apologize For being a creep He goes to find out how They think of him And then realizes how destructive He's been to all these people

[01:59:20] It's like Which is an even bigger fantasy He doesn't have the self awareness yet He just knows he needs to do it To get you know Clear the decks in his mind And then starts Taking account of how much damage He's caused to generations of women

[01:59:35] Who then like In a very Nancy Meyers touch It's like I actually somehow was able To give them closure Like at the end of the day this was productive It wasn't just a self servicing thing For me to do To make myself feel better

[01:59:47] I help them come to terms with these relationships I do like that you see like 22 year old women And you see women who are like 50 Like they pointedly put in A couple women with gray hair He's had a while Right and it was like

[01:59:58] Okay so that was like an early one Where they were maybe only Five years apart in age You know And now he realizes that he Yeah he loves Erica And then what three months Three months go by Well first thing you know She's got a let down

[02:00:13] Keanu down easy Which again Nancy doesn't show Nancy doesn't show the tough stuff See that's where I think He gives that whole speech before Keanu comes back Cause then he kind of says I love you and then Keanu shows up

[02:00:22] And he's like what the fuck's going on here Keanu also just gets it Where we sort of are supposed to see Right he just sort of sees What's going on and he gets it Well no cause first he takes out the right He does take out the box

[02:00:31] But then he's looking at them And he's sort of got this dawning Right yeah Right And then Nicholson leaves And Diane comes after Chases him on the bridge Right on the fake bridge Yeah and then we cut to Right I don't four and a half months later

[02:00:43] I don't fucking know Four and a half months later And it's the funniest joke of all time Do you think it's the funniest joke of all time? I think it's the number one funny joke What about I would have done it in July It's number two

[02:00:55] Oh JD's envelope bit is number one Then four and a half months later Then I would have done it in July Yeah do we need that scene No I'm happy with them Like the dinner scene I'm happy with them in Paris kissing Vien

[02:01:09] I don't think we need it I think Nancy needs it Nancy needs it I think Nancy has She likes the happy family You have to end up big family You have to end up on like a family That has accepted this person And there is something almost jarring

[02:01:20] About seeing Nicholson in that scene Very weird Where you're like oh I guess he just right He just hangs out with these guys You get a completely different style of suit He's a right He bought a brand new wardrobe It feels like Roger Rabbit

[02:01:30] It's like people in cartoons Interacting like him holding a baby And being paternal towards it Feels very odd within his star persona Yeah but I think of Nancy Meyers Like Nancy Meyers You need the family approval for something Like had the family not approved

[02:01:45] Of had Amanda Pete's character Not approved of this relationship It never would have happened It wasn't gonna happen I had a warning as she could have been For Jack Nicholson like it never would have happened It would not have been a happy ending

[02:01:53] And so I think that's just like A Nancy requirement Yeah I agree Now this movie had a very weird Box office performance Cause this was a crazy multiplier It was a Christmas movie So that's part of the reason I think But it did open to 16 million

[02:02:08] And finish at 124 Which is very good obviously A very, very good multiplier December 12th, 2003 Something had to give It opened number one 16 million 16 low one A lot of times the weekend right before Christmas Isn't that big because they're holding all the huge releases For the 25th

[02:02:32] Well Lord of the Rings return to the king Comes out the next week But some of these guys give makes 11 That we you know barely It just kept, yeah Okay so number one someone's gotta get Number two is in a period Epic

[02:02:48] That I think was trying to be an Oscar player It wasn't really got some nominations But it's like a big period action epic With like a huge star Is that Troy? Not Troy great guess That was the following summer Is it that kind of Not that old?

[02:03:06] Like not that far back Not too many movies are set in Oh was it the picture Cold Mountain? No That did come out the next weekend? It comes out like Christmas day Right, right, right But is that closer? Sure It's a period action epic with a big star

[02:03:24] I saw it in theaters It's bad Interesting I love the actor but it's bad It's not one of his better performances Probably one of his worst performances Really? 2003 Does he have to do an accent? No, no He's out of place He's a fish out of water

[02:03:47] Within the premise of the film? Yeah I was gonna say kingdom of heaven But that's not right When did that come out? Oh, oh, oh I know what movie it is Tom Cruise and the Last Samurai The Last Samurai Oh my god Tom Cruise Edzwick Ken Watanabe

[02:04:02] A movie that had also Timothy Spall Underperformed opening weekend Then kind of multiplied pretty well Yeah, it made 111 It was not a huge hit It cost more than it made in domestically But it did really well overseas Like it was, you know It was a hit Suck it

[02:04:17] Watches Watanabe's Marysonger What's number three? What's number three? What's number three? What's number three? Give me number three What's number three? Big broad comedy High concept Two big stars How high? Pretty high No, that was my guess How high? No, it's not how high There's like one concept

[02:04:36] There's one concept The concept is like What if two people were this? And then like that's the movies Just sort of like That's what we had for you That was our idea What if two people were this? Oh, I know what it is It is Stuck on You

[02:04:49] Stuck on You What if they were Stuck Stuck It's Damon and Greg Keneer And Meryl Streep And Cher Yup And like isn't the premise of the movie Just like what if people were like Conjoined twins? Yeah But then they fall in love There's something to do with like

[02:05:04] What if they It had some of you with a romance It's like what happens if they fall in love With the same person maybe? I feel like all those Fairly Brothers movies though Which is them walking in They'd be like get this Oh, it's the Fairly Brothers

[02:05:15] Masters of the gross out comedy Conjoined twins It's called Stuck on You Do you know what their premise was? No Because they announced this like Right after something about Meryl And it was like oh my god What taboo aren't they afraid to have?

[02:05:26] But shallow how is in between those two But they wanted to make this first They couldn't make it forever And their premise was Get two radically different actors And stick them together And so their pitch was It's Woody Allen, Leonardo DiCaprio And their Conjoined twins

[02:05:37] That's a terrible pitch And then it kept on being like Oh maybe it's going to be Steve Martin And James Van Der Beek Or whatever it was And then it ended up being Keneer and Damon who are kind of similar Steve Martin and James Van Der Beek

[02:05:46] Yeah, it's weird Because they're almost They're close enough in age Where you're like I guess I could see it And they're not drastic enough Both kind of like dad hands on Yeah Flopping hands Flopping haircuts Do you know who loves that movie? Who? Academy Award nominee Jesse Eisenberg

[02:06:01] Great It's like always vouching It's a big fan For stuck on him Anyway Number four is another new entry this week So they opened three comedies In the same week Wow Really dumb This is like a teen comedy Starring two musicians Or what is Well Dumb costume thing

[02:06:19] Yeah, exactly Isn't it Canada Musician first He did He's a rapper right He did a little bit of everything Christina Milian Yeah That was Keenan's return to the big screen And it was right when he Had gotten back on SNL Keenan had sort of disappeared

[02:06:32] For a couple years Cal Penn Cal Penn, isn't that wild? Steve Harvey I know nothing about this movie Steve Harvey has a big scene Where he tells Nick Cannon How to fuck on a water run Yeah There's a Nemo joke in there Number five is also a comedy

[02:06:43] Oh, he goes flopping around On land like Nemo Actually, you know what Almost every movie in this top 10 Is a comedy Number five is a comedy Last Samurai Yeah, not Last Samurai Okay, it's also a comedy Big Disney, like big budget comedy With a big star That sucks

[02:07:01] That's a O3 Disney But do I like it? Maybe You probably do I probably do Is it like an effects-driven comedy? Yes It does Based on a ride Oh, no, I don't like it Correct The haunted mansion Yeah, I mean you don't like it I don't know

[02:07:19] But you know, I could I've never seen it I've never seen it I like it That's pretty close to this version Who has some dumb argument For why it's actually secretly subversive Can I tell the really embarrassing thing About haunted mansion? It better be quick It is

[02:07:33] I went to see that movie Opening day with my friend Out of school Instead of something's got a gift Well, I guess it wasn't Out of range Yeah, this has been in theaters Three weeks And I got a phone call And it was my parents calling

[02:07:47] Because it was my dad's Birthday And I had forgotten to show up to dinner So I only ever saw half of that movie Before I had to run out Oh, no But when I have to remember my dad's birthday

[02:07:58] I look up what day the haunted mansion came out Because I know like when it vaguely is But I'm always like, what's the exact date? No, but over 26 And now you're never going to learn it Because your brain knows That you'll always just look up What a mansion

[02:08:10] I'm like, I know it's 25, 26 or 27 What was the day that haunted mansion came out? That's my father's birthday So some other movies in the top 10 Are Elf, Bad Santa and the Cat in the Hell But there's also a movie that I think Bobby and I both have

[02:08:20] A little bit of affection for Which is about a woman who teaches Hip-Hop down at the center A master piece A movie that you have affection for? I told you I trekked through a snowstorm To go see that movie up at night I fucking love that movie

[02:08:31] You sound like some dad from like the 30s We used to have to walk 30 miles To see Honey in theaters I love Honey Don't fucking come out here saying I don't like Honey I think Bobby and I just tweeted at each other But I did it

[02:08:43] You're like, honey No, I'm not a big Honey person Why did I say it? Because I remember I said like I'm not a big Honey person And then you responded with I think a quote from Honey That went over my head Because again, I'm not a Honey person

[02:08:55] What did she do? She teaches Hip-Hop down at the center The center? It's like the funniest trailer That's the line from the trailer The center The center I owned a boot like DVD of Honey Because I couldn't wait for it to come out legally

[02:09:07] And there was a 10 minute section Where it just turned to black and white And my joke with my friends was always That like the guy got a little like creative That's intentional, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah In the mix and he was like

[02:09:18] I think he seemed to work better with like a Starker contrast between the colors Did it work? Like how did it work? It played, it was like the big dance sequence In the middle was black and white Yeah, it was like a Honey From the director of Glitter

[02:09:29] I think he went on to it The director of Glitter Who, no, Glitter before Glitter just doesn't want it Glitter was like the 9-11 movie, right? Didn't Glitter come out like 9-10? No, 9-14 Didn't Vondie Curtis Hall Yeah, you're right Vondie Curtis Hall made Glitter

[02:09:41] Billy Woodruff did something Billy Woodruff made Glitter Billy Woodruff did Beauty Shop Your favorite movie which comes out after this Billy Woodruff also did all the Directive Video Honey Sequels Of which there are four He also did like 14 million Music videos of the 90s Yeah

[02:09:54] He was like just like a key music Yeah, you're right Vondie Curtis Hall made Glitter Thank you They take it back September 21st, 2001 You're right though He made Honey 2 He made Honey 3 dare to dance And he made Honey 4 rise up and dance

[02:10:05] Which is sort of a little too similar At the title, but whatever Yeah Okay Rise up and dance Rise up and dance That is a crazy top ten though I know Weird Couple Christmas plays And then Lord of the Rings comes Maybe it was people who were just

[02:10:20] Afraid of Lord of the Rings Like they were keeping the action movies away Except for the last time, right? That's sort of what I remember But then there was like the Peter Pan Cheaper by the Dozen There were like a lot of big Christmas day releases Yeah

[02:10:36] Cheaper by the Dozen did really well Didn't really fucking know Yeah Cause this was like this weird second wave Of Steve Martin that and bringing down the house Which was the next year, right? Yeah Was it 2004? No that was the year before That's 02 Okay Yeah that was 02

[02:10:51] Oh my god Yeah, come on Bobby You have me straight tripping No it's 03 It's the same year Geez, yeah that was a huge year for him Cause suddenly it was like wait is 68 year old Steve Martin One of the ten hottest movie stars in Hollywood And he was

[02:11:05] He was And I like loved him and I was like I guess I'm happy he's back Like I didn't like the movie I'm thinking I'm back He says that Yeah Bobby's probably the Dozen Yeah She goes we're not gonna have any more kids right And he goes

[02:11:17] Yeah I'm thinking I'm back Yeah Alright Bobby you gotta go I mean yeah Are you doing okay or I'm doing okay we don't have to rush No yeah we gotta Ben's reminding you that you have to go Oh I've gotta go I've gotta go But are there any

[02:11:30] I mean it's such a good movie I gotta be in the Hamptons in about 30 minutes So I'm gonna cop in the car now And see where it takes me This movie makes me very happy I laugh uproariously throughout it Really

[02:11:39] There are so many scenes where I'm just like I can't believe it I love it so much I wanna make a gif of you watching something's gotta give On your laptop Laughing the same way that she's crying Yes that's what I'm like And I also love this one

[02:11:52] I love that it's the two of them together Jack and Diane So much of it Yeah Because her other movies And again it's complicated Marilyn and Alec are not together much in that movie No And especially not alone together And this movie is Jack and Diane alone together

[02:12:06] For a lot of movie In a house on the beach With the stones And it's just great The stones A silly device Ben did you watch this movie? No We are recording a lot this week Just wondering We're recording a lot this week No it's fine

[02:12:21] You don't have to watch all the movies Yeah I can't do it Ben's back baby Ben is back Ben is back He's doing his own movie right now Yeah making my own movie Yeah he sure is Do you approve of Lucas Hedges playing you

[02:12:34] In the upcoming film Ben is back No I want the laundry guy Oh kill the laundry guy Okay the laundry guy Yeah Ben is back sort of turns into a heist movie By the end of it right Does it Well they have to go get a dog back

[02:12:47] For a lot of the final happenings I have not seen Ben is back yet That sounds insane I'm gonna see it soon I think For some reason I have no interest in Ben is back Except for Julia I was gonna make

[02:12:59] I was gonna say I think you're thinking of Ben is jumping back flash Bobby thank you so much for making it out of me It's sad to find the episode on the worst joke ever made It just feels weird I'm listening to I'm just like

[02:13:13] Going over this episode in my head and like Was I just love this movie so much that I feel like maybe I wasn't I feel like I wasn't funny No Bobby But you know what I'm saying like And that's okay not being funny Cause I'm no comedian

[02:13:29] But I'm just sort of reevaluating It's been a long time since I've had like a serious discussion about Nancy Meyers And it's like it's I take it so seriously It's like such a larger part of myself Every time I like Actually start thinking about it

[02:13:44] I'm like oh this is much more special to me Than I thought even yesterday Or like the day before that Yeah And it's nice to know And it's nice to know that other people agree Everyone loves her That's a beautiful way to end the episode

[02:13:58] You know the last episode you were on too was Cloud Atlas Which you also like unabashedly love I do really love that I mean nothing like this No I know but if you want to have We probably want to come back for like some movie

[02:14:07] You want to dump all over That's fine Just let me just like peek in during home again And just like smile And shut the door That movie is insane I have not seen it You haven't seen it? No You think it's ghost directed? I think she was there

[02:14:23] Like now you're doing the iPad story She was either on an iPad She is a very hands-on director And she did a lot of press for that movie And made it clear how much she was And that movie has I'm excited to see what you think

[02:14:36] About the lighting in that movie Interesting That is another movie I read the script for Because I auditioned for every young role in that movie Yeah There's a lot of them A lot of boys One of the boys Home again it's about What if boys were good?

[02:14:50] It is interesting What if boys What if having three young men You've never met before In your house And not be worried at all What if you were worried at all Was fine Right What if they were good It is interesting that I keep on

[02:15:03] Additioning so many times for Myers movies Because it has become so clear I do not fit into that universe at all Like all parties are like Yeah this wouldn't match right? Does he fit in the universe David? Now that you're the expert on the dream universe

[02:15:17] He doesn't fit in it You could get in there You could sneak in there You could What's it? Nat Wolf? Who's the one in? Nat Wolf John Renitski Or Renitski of course Isn't there another wolf? Well there's Alex Wolf There's Alex Wolf Who's Dark Wolf He's a Redditor

[02:15:33] He's a Redditor He's so good in both of those Yeah He is I'm gonna remake the Wolfman with Nat Wolf But it's like Nat Wolf turns into Alex Wolf Right that's the bit That's fun And it's the Wolfman with two Fs Thank you all for listening

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