Spanglish with Richard Lawson

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check

[00:00:31] I mean look forgive me it's just that you are drop dead crazy gorgeous so much that I'm actually considering looking at you again before we podcast here God I'm stressed out I just had like an acid flashback thinking about that

[00:00:49] There are a lot of lines I could have done but I wanted to save them for in-depth discussion because there are like seven specific lines of dialogue in this movie that comprise the entire episode if we just analyze them

[00:00:59] We're convening a congressional subcommittee about this movie and we're going to go in-depth on every line I know we're recording these episodes far in advance so I've been holding a hot in hand I have some hot information that isn't public yet at the time of this recording

[00:01:12] by the time the episode comes out it will be public knowledge Once the Trump-Russia collusion investigation is wrapped up Robert Mueller has been assigned to have a special committee to investigate Spanglish

[00:01:25] Oh yeah Spanglish is it's high time that we send everyone responsible for this movie right to jail Right, Spanglish has been legal for far too long and it's because the fat cats up in Capitol Hill are getting rich off of Spanglish

[00:01:40] It's lying in their pockets so they're not willing to say god damn thing The fucking Spanglish lobbyists This movie sold 7 million tickets in the United States That is the final domestic total

[00:01:50] I wanted to look up tickets because I wanted to think about how many people had seen it Right, 7 million 7 million tickets Okay so that was in theaters so since the time it's released has been seen by 7 million and 5 people Yeah cause Adam Sandler does have it on DVD

[00:02:06] Do you know this movie was released on Blu-ray? I was just like this is 100% a movie that will never be released on Blu-ray That's like a format that will never have a complete story Weirdly it was also released on LaserDisc And fucking UHD 4K And Betamax And Minidisc

[00:02:23] Yeah it was released on 8 Minidisc Could you imagine owning Spanglish on Blu-ray? God I've worn that DVD out John Seals lush freins aren't popping the way I need them to John Seals I buy our movies on Blu-ray usually like you know when we're doing a miniserie

[00:02:38] Did you buy Spanglish? No Do you know how much it costs on Amazon? How much? Take a guess cause you've been saying you've been buying them because Blu-rays are so cheap now That's usually a dollar or two more than renting Yeah yeah yeah

[00:02:47] But you're saying how much would it cost to buy the film and own it forever on Amazon I believe I checked it in and it was $24 So worth it Okay great there we go our guest spoke before he was introduced Now we can start the podcast

[00:03:01] Hello everybody my name is Griffin Newman David Sims it's $22.99 right now Okay And that's reduced from $27 so Hot hot In stock Just imagine ordering it and then a robot has to like It's a little arm has to go get it

[00:03:19] And someone's like there's like an old watchman who's like Spanglish The Raiders of the Lost Ark music is playing Like there's like the robot gets it and like dust sort of like Goes everywhere Somewhere taili only just like sits up with us

[00:03:33] I feel like great disturbance in the floor Madam Secretary we can shoot back She's Madam Secretary I forgot about that Oh I love her as Madam Secretary I do too There's a casting crew commentary Sorry director and crew commentary Can I tell people what this podcast is? Yes

[00:03:52] This is Blank Check It's a podcast about filmographies Directors who had massive success early on in their career And are given a series of blank checks to make whatever Crazy passion projects they want Sometimes those checks clear And sometimes they bounce baby True

[00:04:05] This is a main series about the films of James L. Brooks That's right Of course called as pot as a cast No it's not stop doing that bit you bastard David thinks it's called podcast news Which it is Which you confirm to our art guy

[00:04:17] The truth is objective You're the one who sent the email I thought you were gonna make a plus Because I'm a professional Yeah podcast news people It's called podcast news Yes what do you think Richard? I think that's good

[00:04:28] I was trying to come up with one for Spanglish but it doesn't work It's not pot it's pod list Pot it's cash slush Podcast list Our guest today of course One of her favorites One of listeners favorites One of America's favorite Who wrote and shot and edited Spanglish

[00:04:45] He did I did yeah it was I mean Brooks directed But you did a lot of the other stuff I was stuck in a rut with writing my trolls Which was you know I took me 20 years to write that Of course it was a hell

[00:04:58] I put it turn around myself Yeah it was in many turn arounds So as a side project I mean I've had this story Just kind of rattling around Well and this was to be fair You had to wait there's a story in this movie I don't recall

[00:05:09] No no we cut that To be fair Spanglish came out of Aborted subplots for your trolls Right this was like You cut off a limb and then it turned into its only full story There was a troll me My trolls originally the villain was Taylor Oney

[00:05:26] She is the villain of this show But she was too frightening for the trolls right So you had to move her to a PG-13 movie Exactly yeah Our guest today You of course know him best from K19 the Whittle Maker Vanilla Sky True Leading the water

[00:05:43] Leading the water I was gonna say Richard That's sort of like late 90s early 2000s That's a saving private Ryan as well Saving private Ryan That's like the zone you're in Oh I like it Yeah exactly You always gravitate right to that Like doot doot doot

[00:05:57] Like me as a teenager or in college That's where we're at Host the little gold man podcast Writes for Vanty Fair And is now a published novelist At the time this episode's coming out You're at the top of the charts Richard Richard Lawson

[00:06:09] The great Richard Lawson is here with us today It talks in English Oh la Do you get that So I just searched for Spanglish in the MPAA And I got no results Your computer shut down I wanted to see what it was rated PG-134

[00:06:28] Cause I thought that would be amusing No don't you know this is the only movie To be unrated due to lack of interest Rating I don't know Actful that he was like absolutely no And then he died See it if you want to what do I care

[00:06:39] The one movie that is simultaneously Completely inoffensive and totally offensive Yes And that's unratable Yeah it's a war crime So we've been baddened around James L Brooks for a long time We've been baddened around To me this was always the crux Of the Brooks argument This one

[00:06:55] I mean and the next one And the next one Cause the money in it But this one's fascinating This movie has weirdly had A kind of long tail as a punchline Like people always cite this As like a weird like More I think within the arc

[00:07:07] Of the Adam Sandler trying to make his dramatic Or you know Dramediic tragic comic Career happen which has never fully gotten Off the ground And it's a dumb fucking title Spanglish Right but the second we committed To doing it It's named after the famed general

[00:07:25] Spanglish of the Civil War So maybe show some respect Yes Five comedy points Thank you It just sounds like a general's Yes The second we committed to Brooks You threw your hat into the ring Uh huh That you needed to do Spanglish

[00:07:42] Because you believe and will die on this hill That Taylor Loney's performance in Spanglish Is the single bravest performance Ever committed to film Yes and I had not rewatched it And rewatching it I still believe it's brave It's also fucking crazy And she should have left

[00:07:56] Like she should have walked off the set But I agree with Off the country I agree with both Because Taylor Loney's in a different movie Than everyone else Taylor Loney is in a Lars Vantree Around the back Correct I think one of the many problems

[00:08:08] In this movie is everyone's in a different way Agree Agree But yeah you're right Taylor Loney is in The Chloro-Sli-Twinz was like pantomime Very well Yeah But it is There is People talk about quote unquote Brave performances And especially with actresses It's usually a dumb fucking

[00:08:23] It means like Handle They got naked You get naked or you go through a lot of like Abuse or something Or you declam They scrubbed off your makeup You cry a lot It's usually kind of like a loaded Weirdly kind of backhanded thing To say like

[00:08:38] It's brave for you to not be You know But this is actually brave Because she so fully commits To not trying in any way To endear herself to the audience At all Like at all At all And it's a complete immolation Of her kind of persona

[00:08:57] At that time Of her career She puts it all on the line It blows up in her face Catastrophically Right You are watching a career end But I like I so deeply respect it Like I've always loved Taileone She's good She's one of those actresses

[00:09:14] Where I always go like How did that not ever fully happen And then you rewatched Spanglish Well there's this weird thing Where I think She is incredibly beautiful She's a very good actor She has unbelievable comedic time Like she has just incredible Making chops

[00:09:30] She was a great reporter for MSNBC 100% She died Right Shouldn't have gone to that beach With her dad She got in a fucking cave And she had a lot of big films Like she had her run in the 90s Where she was like placed front and center

[00:09:44] And a lot of different things That could make someone a movie star I'm gonna pump the brakes on you For a second I know about a lot, a few But here's what I want to say Sure, sure, sure I think the thing that held her back

[00:09:54] Was there always kind of a prickliness There That made it difficult for middle America To connect with her Not to create a fight The flyover states No, no, no Weird It's not a middle America thing Metropolitan kind of Sure, I can see that She's a skinny blonde lady

[00:10:13] She's, you know Like you said She's always been usually been cast In like the flirting with disaster role Which is sort of like one of her early roles Right as the kind of The business lady In the suit A little brittle Maybe Right Which I like

[00:10:29] I think she knows how to play brittle Better than most people And gets a lot of comedy out She's the love interest in bad boys Which she's good in But then like If you look at her You know Deep impact She's a pain

[00:10:40] She won't stop asking about this asteroid But she's good at her job She's good at her job But like, you know Take it easy, okay He'll tell you about Ellie When he's good and ready Uh-huh Jurassic Park 3 Yeah She's a fucking pain in the ass In that movie

[00:10:53] And she makes them go to the Dino Island To rescue their shit son Sorry, I'm just mad at her character In that movie Family man Family man I have seen that What is she? She's the wife What is she doing in that one? Well, she's

[00:11:07] That's the one where he wakes up And he's not rich anymore He's like a middle-class guy Right, and everyone thought That that was going to be A big thing for her Weirdly Didn't Brett Ratner direct her? Yeah, he did I'd seen that movie

[00:11:19] That was him trying to be Like I'm not just the rush hour guy Right Watch, I'm going to make A nice slice of life Is it literally just that he wakes up In a normal family? Like that's it? No, the plot of the movie is

[00:11:29] That he had a great love When he was young And he broke up with her It's like a sliding doors thing Where it's like, here's your life If you hadn't brought him up It's 20 years later He's wildly successful But his life is hollow And he breaks up

[00:11:40] Santa falls off his roof No, you know who it is It's Don Cheadle as a As a magical Yes, right Don Cheadle is God Right? Or a sort of god-like figure Angel Yeah, he's like Don't mind me I'm just keeping warm over here And he's like

[00:11:57] I'm ignoring you And he's like My grandfather Backer Vance used to say Yeah But I remember there being A lot of hype for her In that where they were like Maybe this is the one That will make her like America sweetheart But I think there was that thing

[00:12:09] Where she always knew how to play And I used this word carefully Strident people very well And she didn't try to Make them likable She played them realistically While bringing other Movie star qualities to it And I think A thing that always handicapped her

[00:12:24] Was that she didn't care about Being likable And that made people Have a hard time to separate I think they didn't care That's the bravery thing They're talking about Right Because in Jurassic Park She doesn't care about being likable But people have a hard time Separating

[00:12:39] In House of D Yes I find this character unlikable From I find this actor Unlikable So I think some people got turned off By her because they were like Oh, she's always so annoying It's like She plays annoying people Very compelling people Well, right I mean because

[00:12:53] James L. Brooks wrote the character And she saw it She read the script And she was like, okay I'm gonna do this And she went full tilt This is my melancholy It's one of them This is my anti-Christ No, but it does feel like

[00:13:04] It feels like one of those Like I've been a big movie star Now I'm gonna work with Like a gritty European o' tour And scrub myself down And give like a very vulnerable performance Except in this like Bizarre fucking sitcom In which almost everyone else Is this angelic

[00:13:17] Very gentle Right Like wise person She's the lone person in the movie Except for maybe Thomas Hades' Or whatever Who like it's just This like black hole of awfulness Who announces yourself that way Immediately But I think it's also It's like James L. Brooks Is you know

[00:13:35] Working with him is a dream At this point You know He'd made one He'd made You know, I'll do anything Was in a hip and apart from that It's like James L. Brooks Of course he'd go work With James L. Brooks And you know

[00:13:46] Taylor only had been on The Naked Truth for a few seasons So she was not Helen Hunt She had been on sitcoms in the 90's And look what that did for Helen Hunt You know So like clearly There was arithmetic to it That made sense

[00:13:57] And here's another thing At this point Going into this movie He has made four movies Of those four movies Three were Oscar winning hits Three of them got Three different actors nominated Yeah, exactly You know No, I'm saying I'll do anything fine But you know

[00:14:12] Even if you're handed Like a 400 page script And the whole script Is just James L. Brooks Being like I feel so guilty And you're like Well, he'll figure it out And you know He always figures it out 100% He always sort of puts it together

[00:14:24] I think there's that kind of feeling And then there's also like Taylor only if she's there And she's trying to find her place To fit in Hollywood It's like who's the right director To work with James L. Brooks Like look at Shirley MacLaine In terms of endearment

[00:14:35] If he can write that role For me I'll finally connect And look at You know Look at Holly Hunter Holly Hunter is a Taylor only Of her day Difficult messy characters Right People who are All parts compelling And revolting But ultimately like So we have now discussed

[00:14:51] Taylor only more than anyone In the history of the planet Right Oh I don't know I mean I've talked a lot To Taylor only in my life Well That's why we brought you here Yeah so this is our new podcast It's called Teya for two Taylor only

[00:15:04] You know after this She was in fun with Dick and Jane Which was a hit Huge hit The movie doesn't exist But it was a hit She did some movies after this Like a ghost town Which is super Underrated I think it's a good movie

[00:15:17] I like ghost town It has one of the best Like line pairing endings Ever where she You know She's like It hurts a smile You know he's a dentist And he's like I can fix that for you And then the movie ends It's so good It's really nice

[00:15:30] She's great in it I think I honestly Maybe gave her a Griffey nom that year Sure She's really fucking good In it And then Tower Heist is the last movie She did essentially Where she played Special Agent Claire Denham And I think she's very good

[00:15:43] And then she was nominated To be secretary of state But yeah Madam secretary She's still serving Bravely Thursdays at 10 But yeah So she did work Sometimes at 10 But like this movie Was a disaster for her Oh for This is The film part to become Spread out Posted it

[00:16:00] And then she Made a movie in five years The film with Dick and Jane Was a movie I think she shot Either before Or around the same time Because that was A movie that took a while To get to theaters That was also supposed To be Cameron Diaz

[00:16:11] Who dropped out Like two weeks before Filming And then suddenly Like Cameron Diaz is out Who your place were with Taillione Like this is huge Sure And I even remember going into She was also like Hollywood ending Let's not forget Right Oh god But I remember before

[00:16:27] This movie came out When no one had seen it But it was like James L. Brooks He's been editing for a year Never count him out It was like The hot tip we hear Is that it's a real showcase For Taillione Look out

[00:16:38] Save a spot and best actress Correct It is a showcase Yeah I mean No I remember hearing Okay so yes I was a big Oscar watcher At the time I'm sure you were In a way Richard Well I was in college You were an Oscar paper Yeah Uh-huh

[00:16:54] Here it comes Because I know someone who was I was like Are you going to do it or not Producer man Hey Ben Dooser Producer Ben Yes Poet Laureate I didn't really watch The Oscars In this time Mr. Positive I still don't Mr. Positive Buckmaster Me lover

[00:17:12] Mr. Positive Yeah Are you Professor Crispy No Can I wish you a hello fennel Sure But do it on the street And then in the sheet That's a whole other thing Okay You second what Not currently Hold on Let me take a sip Okay Oh man Wow

[00:17:29] That's a lot of So now you're wet inside So can Yeah Of course You graduated to certain talks With a course that is for me Series such as Kylo Ben Producer Ben Kenobi Ben I. Chalmalon Haas Producer Bane And B19 The Fennel maker And Robo Haas God Yes

[00:17:50] Hey I You know what Hot take guys I like this movie This is the biggest twist Of the whole pocket Did you know this was coming Did you have a spoiler I knew about this Wow I kind of like this movie I think Tay is great You know

[00:18:04] Oh Tay I know people like this Tay's on days in this movie Tay Tay Tay is on days Spanglish Tay's on day Tay Diggs and Tay Leone That's a hot take Yeah Yeah It just got like 15 degrees warmer in here It did get actually really hot

[00:18:22] It did get hot No I don't know I thought this was kind of fun Maybe the scenes play out a little long A little? You think so? Just a little Do you think there was maybe Not quite enough narrative tissue To this one No it was not enough

[00:18:34] No enough for me But how often does a college admissions essay Have a strong 3x structure You know What is this where they were like Alright here she is She wrote a college admissions essay Do you think they were like Oh so your mom's nice

[00:18:48] And these white people sound awful That's the whole essay Tell me more about this sandwich How did you know all the private conversations That Tay Leone had with her mother Yeah that's true She's in the room More than you see She's keeping

[00:19:05] The essay has a lot of digressions About her grandmother's alcoholism Honestly Or not her grandmother Her mother But on the page Her mom seems fine Yeah Your mother's boss's mother Yeah I mean the first note I'd give is You know stick to your thesis

[00:19:22] This is about how your mother's your hero The salary negotiation scene seems interesting But I'm pretty sure you went school When you wrote this down This old jazz crooner Trying to kick the bottle And that was when Frank Bruni called My mother's boss

[00:19:32] Quite simply the best chef in the world Yeah I like it Ben found this movie I'm a big charmer man Yeah Yeah Ben's into it I really Honestly enjoy it You see a big smile It's not a bit guys Ben liked this movie Totally not a bit

[00:19:48] You ordered the blu-ray I did How did you feel about the fact That it was eight hours long Well here's the thing I felt like after watching it I was like That was a well spent evening Sure And then he looked outside And the sun was rising

[00:20:01] That was the thing about it Yeah I watched it on a Sunday afternoon And I just watched as it got dark And dark red side I was like this is so long I started this at noon God is it long Yeah Boy so yes Well as you were

[00:20:14] As I was saying I was an Oscar watcher It felt like dinner theater for me Because I ate while I was watching it A couple of meals Right I was watching dinner I was watching dinner He made a stew while you were eating this

[00:20:26] You did the full Jimmy Mcmillan While watching this movie Oh my cuckoo van is done now I was just watching dinner A cuckoo van So Oh boy You were an Oscar watcher at the time Yeah I was as well But you were very big

[00:20:41] I was on the forums The message boards You were riding the boards And it's like Trading the boards I should say Yeah I was trading the forums And so like the hot movies in 2004 You had the aviator You had Ray Finding Everland Sideways was a critical Darlin

[00:20:54] Oh yeah, sideways that's right Which I guess took the Spanglish slots Right And you had million dollar baby came in late And you know stole a lot of thunder Spoiler But everyone was like Well keep some room for Spanglish Like James L. Brooks made a movie It's about

[00:21:08] Cloris Leachman hasn't won in decades This is gonna be her comeback role Like people like kept on tipping And there was definitely some talk of like Taillione There was also a lot of like Paz Vega She's the Fiancineu This is gonna be like a supporting actress Contender Yeah

[00:21:24] And then it came out And everyone was like Blah It actually got SAG nomination Cloris Leachman got a SAG nomination Yeah Really? Yeah And I feel like it got one other nomination For best score Hans Zimmer Hans Zimmer It was like weirdly one of

[00:21:42] James L. Brooks' closest collaborators Sure And all the criteria in broadcast news Is like so effusive And like 17 different talking head interviews Talked about how he's like His favorite filmmaker Well the Blah sound effect Was originally in terms of endearment Yes Right Correct I just imagine

[00:22:01] It also was nominated for three AARP movies For grownups This is a movie for grownups Best screenwriter, best actress, Cloris Leachman That's right, actress And AARP, she's an actress They watch at different cut-ins And best intergenerational film That's right Do you want to know who it won? Yeah

[00:22:20] That year 2004 Wait, let me take a guess Imagine losing an AARP Okay, I gotta say I gotta say Best intergenerational film Here are the five nominees This is a great lineup Okay The winner was Miracle Which is fine Fine movie, Kevin O'Connor I guess it's intergenerational

[00:22:35] Because it's like he's the coach And they're the... Yeah Then Badass Remember Badass? By Melvin Van Peebles, Mario Van Peebles Oh yeah, that's a great movie Spanglish, Montseor Ibrahim With fucking Omar Sharif Remember that movie And then The Five Obstructions The Lars von Trier movie

[00:22:53] Those are the five nominees I think that's a great list So a Lars von Trier movie And Spanglish were nominated together Correct Well they originally thought Spanglish was one of the obstructions He was Lars von Trier watched it And he was like, oh god

[00:23:10] Can you imagine Thomas Hayden Church's agent Calling up and going like, Tom, look I know you wrapped on that dumb fucking wine indeed I finally got you a shot at the Oscar You're playing You're gonna back a car The real estate agent Onto a driveway

[00:23:22] Out of a driveway Onto the road That was like my favorite Trailer bit of 2000 And 16 Was after Moonlight had come out Anytime the Collateral Beauty trailer came on And had the moment where Naomi Harris Delivered Sir Big like, but there is collateral beauty All around us

[00:23:42] If you just know where to look I would turn to whoever I was with and go like Naomi, I know you got that dumb fucking Moonlight thing out of your system But it's time for you to get an Oscar now I got collateral beauty right here

[00:23:53] A movie I like I know I land closer to your take than most people I like it a lot less than you do But I think it is not on the book of Henry's scale Of horrificness No, and I think it's trying to do something nice

[00:24:08] It doesn't really work I mean, Spanglish is trying to do something nice as well But it fails spectacularly I think the script for collateral beauty Is kind of a nightmare But I think it's kind of handsomely made And it's got some good performance Beautifully fangirl

[00:24:24] I think it's really well filmed And everyone is pretty good in it And I don't know I don't mind it Because it's so... It's a movie that's easy to be like Stupid and make fun of it It's got some fucked morality Like stretch Right Okay, hold that thought

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[00:28:10] I guess so, I don't know how involved he is with The Simpsons by that point I think he's still very hands on on the show By all accounts? By all accounts? Alright Yes But let's also

[00:28:21] I don't think he's doing much, he also of course famously just takes a long time to write his movies He really attacks them from like all angles Seven years in between each film And he also you know at this point

[00:28:32] Gracie Films has had a couple very successful graduates But he is like I want to nurture voices and let them direct their own screens Like Yardley Smith? Like Yardley Smith Great voice Yes, voices like Hank Azaria No ya fool

[00:28:47] Wes Anderson, you know Bob Rocket and Cameron Crowe would say anything He's now had like a couple protégés who have gone on to like Yeah You know by this point like Wes Anderson's ascended Cameron Crowe's ascended He also works on a, yeah, right German choir Right

[00:29:05] So you know as good as it gets was coming off of a flop A film that had a very belabored production schedule People weren't sure how it was going to turn out And then it's a huge fucking success Wins of Oscars Wins of Bunt of Oscars

[00:29:18] So everyone goes like well yeah I mean never bet against Brooks Takes his time He casts Sandler one of the biggest leading men at this point in time Sure He had done Punch Drunk Love right? Yes, he cast him off of that Okay

[00:29:30] Yes, he liked his performance in Punch Drunk Love He was on a pretty solid run of Sandler comedies at this point in terms of box office In terms of box office? Absolutely Yes In terms of acclaim? No He had done one, he had done one prestigious move

[00:29:44] And he didn't have that kind of mean energy that he developed later Correct You know And all that resentment people have about the shitty Netflix movies And like his weird thing and funny people Like this is like he's still kind of beloved and cozy

[00:29:58] And the sense of him feeling lazy Yeah I mean you know the thing that Paul Thomas Anderson tapped into really well Is the like central anger of Adam Sandler Which is the key to making him work Right And it's what Baumbach uses so well in Myerwit stories

[00:30:16] It's the juxtaposition between his sort of like Oh bashful little boy mumbly kind of like puppy dog thing And then this rage inside And as Rain Over Me showed its best when it's on a segway Yes It's best when playing PlayStation 2 I think shortly after this point

[00:30:36] Sandler crosses a threshold where he becomes a little too old For the man boy thing to be charming Well, after this the next year is the longest yard Which whatever that's just sort of the gimme sports And he does click

[00:30:50] And he does click which is him being like Let me make another big daddy He's a heart string tugger And move into my forties to try to Sure, I'm about growing up And then he does the double whammy of Rain Over Me

[00:31:02] And I now pronounce you Chuck and Larry I now pronounce you Chuck and Larry is a tough one to shake A film written by Alexander Payne and Jim Taylor Yeah, I mean some version of that film was written by them They I believe wrote the original version

[00:31:14] Which I thought was good Yeah, sure, I could buy that it was better Yes Of course they shrunk someone in that movie They did I kept trying to work that in I'm trying to work that in Tiny a little And then Zohan in 08 And bedtime stories Zohan's great

[00:31:31] Bedtime stories a disaster Or Zohan's I've seen it Or what are its politics like? Interesting Weird Weird, weird I mean weird I mean its politics are Nominally like you know that the piece is a good thing And everyone should just be friends But he's like in Mossad

[00:31:49] In the movie Correct Like what's interesting about Zohan is that the politics aren't good And they're not bad You know what I'm saying? There's like elements of both It's actually trying to tackle it Like it's not being lived A studio comedy about Israel is kind of crazy

[00:32:03] It was written by Appetow Smigel and Sandler And I remember reading this long article in the Times About them being like can you write funny jokes About the Israel-Palestine conflict And it was also like they tried to write it When Sandler first got big

[00:32:15] And had his first cold big hits And they were like great Here's our passion project And they were like go fuck yourself Here no It took like ten more years of Sandler Here's my passion project Write no on a piece of paper Right

[00:32:25] Like it was like post big daddy They tried to make this And then ten years later And then Appetow had become bigger They finally like got them It's just It has a lot of weird funny jokes There's something I haven't seen it in a long time

[00:32:36] But I remember But then bedtime stories, grownups That's where That's where he's really slipping into Just like I'll just do a movie Bedtime stories is one with Carrie Russell Yes Yes and Russell Brands in that one Who's the love interest in click Or the wife Beck and sale

[00:32:51] Beck and sale Oh god that's right And grownups it's Hayek Right Chuck and Larry And then you just go with it It's like a sandwich of Nicole Kidman Jennifer Aniston and Brooklyn Decker Or something right Like everyone's throwing themselves Kidman is a rival for Aniston Okay

[00:33:05] Aniston's his fake wife Because Decker is his real girlfriend But he has to seem like he has a family Aniston works for him Promotion Right Just go with it Just go with it That's the other thing The movie's become like He's now insanely wealthy

[00:33:20] He lives a very very luxurious life But is miserable Is mean to everyone around him And dates beautiful beautiful women Who he resents You mean in his movies In the movies And then that becomes like Spanglish weirdly is the beginning But in the middle of all that

[00:33:34] He makes funny people Which is like this confessional Like a great movie Right Anyway Sandler He's a fascinating career Yeah so this movie Like James L. Brooks Clearly sees the like punch drunk love thing Where everyone sort of went like Oh he clearly is like a good actor

[00:33:48] If you know how to use him To frame him in the right way He sees the Albert Brooks in him 100% Yes But then what's weird Is he completely neuters him in this movie He just wants to make him the shy puppy dog

[00:34:01] Then he is so inoffensive in this movie And it's so bizarre because Taillione is so strident And so unlikeable Yeah Everything is her fault And so tone deaf Right And they try to make Sandler totally innocent Like Taillione Not only that Yeah and he is

[00:34:18] He's like a dumb little puppy To the extent that I mean I'm jumping ahead But like in the scene at the end of the restaurant Between him and Paz Vega When they finally express something about their emotions You A have no idea where they came from

[00:34:29] And B it's like two little kids Because they're both so I mean she gets angry No they're infantilized They are totally infantilized by that He seems developmentally disabled in this movie Because of the way the character is written No totally He's look I think

[00:34:43] There's some germ of an idea That he's like It's like oh he's the good cop And she's the bad cop Right That is expressed at the beginning of the movie But he like you said He wrote the Albert Brooks character in Broadcast News

[00:34:54] Like he knows how to find The interesting part of that character Like the The sort of hang dog, nice guy You know And then he just forgot to put it in this character No it's not there In Broadcast News He makes Albert Brooks

[00:35:06] Who's the guy you want to root for Also a piece of shit And say a bunch of really awful stuff And he makes William Hurt Who's the guy who's a piece of shit Who you want to root against Do a lot of very nice things Yeah

[00:35:18] But he doesn't write What he used to get Everyone's a complex Right And in this movie no one is complex And you loved it What do you already thought You're burning up on that mic I just wanted to say I think Sandler's one of the Great comic yellers

[00:35:33] Agreed And they don't use them They only have a couple of moments So I really agree Like I think That's the moment you bottle the rage And then have it like burst out He didn't get to do anything in this movie No Again I do like it though

[00:35:44] I mean it's just like his character I didn't get it I didn't get enough He just seems tired This whole movement Very tired Yeah And he even says at one point Like can't I just get Like he just complains about Everyone kind of bringing their shit to him

[00:35:56] Right And whatever And it's like do you just want to leave the movie Yeah Like he just does Well then I'll say Like a terrible movie that I think he's very good in And you're probably about to get really angry At me Is men, women and children

[00:36:07] That's an awful movie It's an awful movie Fine I think he's very good in it Very good as strong But he's pretty good I'll stand for it I dare you to watch that movie again I never will But I really like his performance in it

[00:36:19] But I think that's one where He doesn't ever blow up But they use the fact That you can see the simmer underneath it Yeah Like on the surface of that performance He also just seems like A totally zoned out Yeah Sort of like hand packed

[00:36:31] Well a lot of times When comedic actors go serious They just turn off all affect And they're just like completely blank Right And I think he does that to some extent But like at his best There is a sort of fluidity There is dimension to it

[00:36:45] But it's not always employed It's kind of like how Mark Wahlberg Can be great if he's in the right thing But like if he's not He's horrible He's terrible in all the money in the world He's terrible Well we had a long talk about it

[00:36:56] The thing with Mark Wahlberg Is he needs to play someone Who has a chip on their shoulder He needs to play a character That has something to prove If you put him in all the money In the world and it's like This guy's got it all figured out

[00:37:04] Trust him He is so boring He's like a comedian going straight Where he loses all his energy Um Pathfaker I don't know Pathfaker No, no, it's just every scene with Sandler Is someone comes Like you say Someone comes into him and is like Blah blah blah blah

[00:37:22] You know like there's some conflict And he's like Okay What's going on? All right It should be a Which is where you kind of want to Infer some autobiography On Brooks' part Because you're like Why else is this this way You know Why is the movie so imbalanced

[00:37:37] Between the two leads I mean I guess Pathfaker is essentially the third lead Right in the movie Sure She's the lead I guess But I mean It's a three-hander But she's so non-human In a way that like She doesn't even register as one of the main characters Correct

[00:37:51] I don't know but like at the same time I don't know David You and I were talking about like Over text a little bit Like is this a movie about James Little Brooks Trying to justify why he wants to fuck his maid Like maybe that was it

[00:37:59] I don't know maybe But like he wasn't really dealing with I think it's a guilty movie It's a guilt There's something guilt I just don't know But I don't mean that That he's guilty of a crime No It's a white guilt movie It's a white guilt movie Yeah

[00:38:11] About like A class guilt Right, a class guilt movie But I can't believe that I employ these like Human beings to do like Bullshit in my house And they're real people And I need to acknowledge that I know that I'm in a bubble Right

[00:38:24] And rather than figure out how to break out of that bubble I'm gonna make a movie about being in the bubble Right But then the movie's just gonna feel like Like told from the like The most far away bubble possible You know what I mean

[00:38:34] So like two years ago I think my family and I went to Thanksgiving dinner with my grandmother Not to throw my grandmother under the boss But I'm about to throw my grandmother under the boss Cause I kept on thinking about this While watching Spanglish And there was like

[00:38:47] We were in Tennessee Where my fucking family goes for the holidays And there was like a A band playing music Right There were a couple guys with like Banjos and stuff And she just turned to me And she went I look at people like that And I wonder

[00:38:59] Who are they? What lives do they live? And I went Probably a musician And then she went Right to the big list Right, like that's what this movie feels like James L. Brooks overheard that conversation Oh fascinating Like he was like Oh I just had a profound thought

[00:39:13] My maid has a life Right My maid has interiority And agency You guys are missing the point There's like a modern Dylan song You know what I mean? Or it's like a Tom Waits song Or something It's like over here you got the maid

[00:39:27] You know she escaped from Mexico With her daughter You know you got like The struggling housewife Maybe she's taking pills and stuff You know over here Here's the chef He's accomplished But you know he's trying to connect with his kids He doesn't get along with his wife

[00:39:40] Here's the factor all You know what I mean? It's like a man I made five stars Best picture I have to apologize to Sony Pictures Home Entertainment Because they're now going to have to Reissue Spanglish with It's like a modern Tom Waits song As the pulled quote

[00:39:55] Well Scarlett Johansson is going to remake it That's what's going to happen Yes, yes Uh, Jesus Three comedy points Um, yes This movie just feels to me Of that sort of bubbly like Faux empathy Of like look at me I want you to know that I'm considering

[00:40:12] Can you believe I figured this out? There, that's a person They have lives Right, right I think that there is something My grandmother's not a nice person Spanglish It's the most insane movie I've ever made But there is something There is a glimmer of an idea there

[00:40:25] That works And I think that when he's trying to articulate like Have you guys seen Dear Evan Hansen? I have, yes Have you? Yes, I have I do not like that musical at all But one thing that gets right Is that awkward social tension of

[00:40:39] The kid wanting to spend more time At the friend's house Because the parents are nicer to him Or they have more shit, whatever Yeah, yeah, yeah And I think that that's a very familiar Sort of like Just kind of course Hitty and just like social angst

[00:40:51] That people have And I think that Spanglish does that Really well in certain moments Of like, tailing you Really only not realizing that like Taking the girl out, you know Is a big deal Or just like the kind of casual approach to money

[00:41:01] Where she's like $50 is a lot of money Yes And so I think if you get stuck on that Those scenes are decent little ideas Like little tiny stories within them The reason why we're covering James L. Brooks Is that even when he whiffs

[00:41:12] There are slivers that are so frustrating Because you're like You're onto something insightful You can't figure out how to articulate it And it's also buried in a pile of bullshit Yeah But I think like You look at terms of endearment Which has a very epic scope to it

[00:41:26] But is a very focused story It's just about the relationship between these two women With a lot of other characters coming in In other lives Broadcast news is about the dynamic of the three of them But it has so much going on

[00:41:37] And then he starts to go like You've said the thing about how you think Some performance is ruin some actors Like Kate Blanchett Doing Streetcar Name Desire On stage she's never been able to totally Drop Blanched Ablaz since then And I feel like similarly

[00:41:53] Broadcast news ruined James L. Brooks And that he keeps on trying to be like You know, the thing I did on broadcast news He becomes self-conscious I'm doing a thousand plot lines I have a hundred characters I'm considering a bunch of different elements

[00:42:06] But broadcast news has the advantage That's set in a new station Where it has like A world he totally understood and spent the time As good as it gets his whole pitch is like What if a guy was an asshole?

[00:42:18] Like that's his whole pitch for as good as it gets Which is as good as it gets A pre-existing script It wasn't his idea I rewatched this again over the holiday And it's still a good movie I like it I'm half and half on it

[00:42:34] People will listen to our episode It's one of those things where it's like Well no, the character is a racist sexist It's just the character But Brooks got away with it And so I think he was like Oh, so like I'm good I've got to figure it out

[00:42:47] And Nicholson also It helps when you have a guy Proving the audience follows him wherever he goes So maybe that kind of emboldened him To be like, okay well now I'm going to tackle this thing I see every day in LA And it's like no but you didn't

[00:42:57] But that's not the same thing Right But I'm right That's true But also as good as it gets The pitch is the guy's an asshole The Spanglish the pitch is nothing There's no pitch This movie doesn't have a story at all And also as you say

[00:43:09] Apart from it's a Tom Waits song And now I understand that And it is a Tom Waits song I think we need to get that on the record But like the whole pitch of the movie Is she moves to Malibu for three months With these people

[00:43:19] Right I guess Which is so Right But as you said Like the daughter angle is the most interesting angle To the movie It's weirdly the superstructure Because of this fucking college essay And the narration But so often she kind of gets lost

[00:43:30] Within the main body of the film Other than as narration Or like a bargaining chip Between these people Sure And I also think that Dynamic is interesting But the way it's so often played is Tailey only cannot stop buying stuff For this girl Like pathologically Cannot stop purchasing

[00:43:47] And she expresses both love And also criticism By buying stuff And that Paz Vega hits money Like I'm saying the reductive way It ends up coming across very often In the movie is just like Paz Vega throws money at the wall Yes it does happen

[00:43:59] Like burns every gift Two times in a row Right Let's get into the story of Spanglish Which I just alleged does not exist Okay so it starts with An envelope being opened And a college admissions board I really wish that was like

[00:44:11] I know it's not that far in the future Because the girl's 12 years old But it was like there were like jet packs And she was like flying cars going by Like it was like Clifford you know Hey man Jim should make a sci-fi movie By Centennial Man

[00:44:24] Is there a reading essay? This is a good one I know he doesn't talk like that Has that ever been A good college admissions essay movie made Because it's a weird well Well I know you want to talk about admission now And also

[00:44:37] I think that's an underrated movie Me and Earl and the dying girl Oh god that's right Which is the same movie Where it's all the super structure of Here's how I learned from other people And I hate that structure where he's like

[00:44:49] And when she died I really learned a lot You know Bates College You know whatever it is I was very close to being the boy in admission And I felt a real missed opportunity Because I read that script and I was like

[00:45:02] Ah fuck this is going to be an Oscar player Oh well it wasn't that It comes out in January Yeah it came out in January Like 18 months later But no I think the device is unfair Because the daughter isn't really a character I mean she is

[00:45:17] But she's just kind of this thing No she's not really She is played by Shelby Bruce And also I know that these are supposed to be Complicated characters and we'll get to it But the decision that Paso Bacchus character Makes at the end vis-a-vis her schooling

[00:45:33] And that to me it's like No just like this is not such a tribal ideology That they will not let them do anything In the sort of white world or whatever Yeah I mean But that is how James Oldbrooks thinks of it

[00:45:46] Because in the beginning of the movie Is what's the daughter's name? Christina Spanglish Yes Christina Spanglish As she tells her story like her mother Immigrated to America It's her hero You have to write a college essay on one year's hero She's writing a mother's hero

[00:46:03] They don't stay in Texas Because it's not Hispanic enough They go to Los Angeles 72% or whatever they say 48 72 96 Yeah exactly 420 Oh come on Come on Just saying numbers And then apparently they live in Los Angeles In like the part where like no white person Is ever missing

[00:46:25] They're like living on Oliver Street basically They live in fucking Diagon Alley Where you have to like tap on the right brick To enter Right she's literally never And then they say like This is why she doesn't speak English I think this is James Oldbrooks's like

[00:46:38] But no matter she learns it three days later Excuse me IMDB Trivia Excuse me The tape that Floor uses to learn English Is a real tape Excuse me Correction That's a piece Floor I'm terrible at rolling my arrows I was trying to do what I can't do Floor

[00:46:53] We're Jews we should be able to do that We should be able to do that Paz Vega Spoke Know English when she was cast in the film Right And they had a translator on set Who had to translate between her and James Oldbrooks For real on the set

[00:47:09] Spanglish And she kept being like But And every time they gave her a paycheck She'd throw it back at James Oldbrooks Walk to the bus I can imagine James Oldbrooks was like This is great it's like Spanglish The trivia You're in Los Angeles which is 48% Hispanic Right

[00:47:29] I think you mean 115 ago It's 187% Why cast a Spanish From Spain actress in this role My guess is that this is just not something That pops into a casting agent's head At this time right I mean they said there were three Heavy contenders for the role

[00:47:49] There was Eva Mendes Right There was Eva Longoria Who was really popping at this moment Desperate Housewives is this year So she had just started She was like a big deal And she had not done an American film But sex and lucha was like this big

[00:48:06] Independent sort of thing Right And she was the surprise winner of the role Despite being the wrong Ethnic Eva Longoria is the only one of the actresses We just named who's Mexican Because Eva Mendes is Cuban And Path Vega is Spanish

[00:48:22] Which and the thing about her being Spanish That's a racial If you want to break it down It's an accent thing Right but it's also She had been in talk to her She's the naked body In the weird short film part of that

[00:48:38] And she's been in this role Is it Teleoni had been? Sandler Right Sarah Steele And she's in Sex and Lucia Which was like this sort of like Racy Spanish movie from like 2000 Which I remember like the fuss that one caused Everyone's uncle couldn't stop raving about it

[00:48:55] She was like the movie that your older relatives Would be like I usually take them to foreign films But he loved this one I just thought it was well shot Right it was the Rochelle Rochelle of its year It's a movie with like on-screen masturbation

[00:49:08] Sure it's one of those But like this Spain makes like 18 of those a year This one pop, people like it But she like And I remember Gael Garcia Bernal Was in Bad Education The Unmolded Armoury movie Like maybe when is that? 2003 or 2004 I think it's 2004

[00:49:26] And like I remember the fuss people made Like he's Mexican Like where they were like you know I knew Spanish people who like really nailed the accent Like it's so hard and he really pulled it off Like what an impressive achievement

[00:49:37] I don't know how she's doing with her accent Because again I'm not, I don't have the ear for this Not Spanish speakers But might not be very good It feels off to me I don't know It feels off but I can't speak for any place of knowledge

[00:49:47] That said I think she's good in the movie Yes she is She's a very charismatic performer Like yeah I think she is good in the movie Her character just doesn't make any sense Most people, most of the actors in this movie

[00:49:59] Are like in a vacuum kind of good Yeah But it's just like I don't know I can't really endorse it Every single character is ill conceived Yeah I mean yeah I guess so Or maybe it's more like a ballad So she's, she moved to LA

[00:50:16] Is this your favorite movie we never covered On the podcast Ben? That's like top 10 Top 10 Ben should do a ranking someday So they moved to LA But then why does she need They have two jobs that amount to this amount Oh they set it up that

[00:50:30] She puts a hand on Christina's ass She's at a dance or something And she sees that and she's like Oh I can't work at night because if I do She's gonna get in trouble Right So she has to have a job that pays At least $450

[00:50:42] Which she works during the day rather than having to work at night And can be home with her So she's super over protective But to be more protective She decides to get a job all the way across the town

[00:50:54] Where she has to take a bus to the other side of town She gets this job because her sister Knows someone or her cousin or something Who functions as a translator Which Taley only thinks that she's interviewing The cousin for the job Until she realizes it

[00:51:08] And not that interview scene is one of the strangest things So bizarre I've seen in a long time It's so Full floppy hats, sunglasses This is where the movie is getting injected into us Like real like It turns into existence at this point

[00:51:23] It's like a thing that's tapped into our spine That we're having to expire We're like Like contact lenses are being put on our eyes It's a squid at this point Right? This movie Yes exactly And it's so unnerving

[00:51:37] Because you're trying to figure out what Taley only is doing Or who she's supposed to be And she just keeps kind of zinging and zagging You're like what is the energy here Simultaneously leechman zinging and zagging So you're like which one am I supposed to be watching

[00:51:49] It's like you're trying to beat up a ball and shell curiously Yeah exactly It's three card monty You're like which one is trying to pay attention Someone's trying to con me here Just don't know who Someone's stealing my money Right

[00:52:01] But it's a very bizarre scene in which Taley only keeps on like Saying kind of offensive things And then over explaining her like shame over what she said Oh and they have the cousin inexplicably walk into a glass Door They've never seen glass before

[00:52:16] Oh no I forgot about that right This kind of seals the interview right away in fact Because the first thing they do is walk into a glass door Because it's too clean or whatever I guess Right and then Taley only tips her $20 for her

[00:52:28] Taley only gives her money She has a little pot She has a coffee cup $50,000 with like four dollar bills And it's like is that a thing I've never seen that before I could imagine a coffee can with loose change in it Right

[00:52:46] But it's like a money clip of 20s are in there Like it's like so much money And it's just like on the counter It's like something a drug dealer Right I mean like my grandparents used to keep like an envelope of cash

[00:52:57] And they're like an underwear drawer for like you know emergencies Right but they were like $2 bills Exactly I have four of them look So we have The cousin's nose is Do you know that Ricky? This is the thing about Spanglish Every scene is like this a brooder film

[00:53:12] Where you want to like slow it down and frame by frame So the cousin's nose is bleeding Because she hit her face on the glass Right Tana Leone is monologuing about three things at once Including that she should have gotten stickers for the glass door

[00:53:24] And she says I'm not mad I'm not mad Which is like her catchphrase I think that's what James L. Brooks started with that And dealt the whole character around it Don't nap me bro I'm not mad and then she like throws money at her And then she's like

[00:53:36] I just did that Was I supposed to do that? Why did I do that? You know she's like questioning her own madness She's got no internal monologue Right And then finally they sit down She realizes she's interviewing this other woman Who doesn't even speak English Yeah

[00:53:48] And a salary negotiation begins And she asks for $1,000 a week And everyone's quiet And then they all start laughing And then like So now they've established like Oh cause that's a big thing The ceiling of the money She can ask for $50,000 a year for that job

[00:54:03] When it's six days a week And it's like morning till night And do whatever the fuck you want Is reasonable Right 100% Right is this movie set in like 1979? Like why is that unreasonable? But also Tana Leone makes her really uncomfortable talking About how beautiful she is Yes

[00:54:18] How beautiful Pat Vegas Right And then the money thing is like So how much do you want? And she's like Whatever you're telling What are you offering? And she's like no, no, no If you ask too little I won't think anything of you

[00:54:30] And if you ask too much Like you're being arrogant Something like that No it's about what she thinks of herself She goes this is a big test If you ask too little I know you don't value yourself And if you ask for too much I'll think you're arrogant

[00:54:39] Which is So it's like What the fuck are you What's sociological experiment is this So she throws out the A thousand ha ha Oh never mind it was a joke Quattro comedy points Right and so they settle on 6.50 Which is about 30 grand a year She signals to the

[00:54:57] Yeah right She goes like 6 Right So then they feel really flush And she takes her daughter out to dinner She's making $200 a week more Than she was So she's happy Right so she takes the daughter out to dinner At a restaurant The darts at sound sees the prices

[00:55:12] Oh wow So she's like And she's like I think that's a cute little Brooks moment It's like these moments where he gets at something And then like These are these Brooks moments though Where the waitress comes over And she's like These guys want to buy you a drink

[00:55:24] And it's like five minutes of this Okay so this is a scene I really want to talk about Okay sure Not for what happens in it But it is a Brooks scene Every screenwriter would tell you We don't need this You can lift this out of the movie

[00:55:36] 100% that's why I want to talk about this scene Because it's not Then saying to stretch it out But he's running too short This scene is somehow a perfect encapsulation Of everything he's getting wrong in this movie As opposed to what he used to do right

[00:55:49] What I find really interesting about Brooks Is that he was a sitcom guy But his sitcoms had this weird Kitchen sink Pay those to them Sure definitely Like they were sitcoms about the types of people That usually weren't starring in sitcoms There was a visual kind of like

[00:56:04] Griminess to them You know there was a grittiness to them It was people you weren't used to seeing Star and TV shows And there was a specificity And emotional and psychological messiness to it But still everyone goes Well you can't make movies It's sitcoms, it's dumb, it's broad

[00:56:19] You won't know how to do it And then he makes movies And everyone goes Wow look at him He's a real filmmaker There's a real humanism here These films have a real look They're not shitty Like multi-camera sitcoms And then over the course of

[00:56:31] I think as good as it gets Is the Falkland point Yeah Starts to look like a sitcom The performances despite being good Are more sitcom-y And then you get to Spanglish And how do you know And everyone is doing Like full multi-camera Broad mugging

[00:56:47] Every moment has to be played As largely as possible Nothing can be subtle If there's a physical moment It has to be an insert shot Up close, underlined And imagine watching an episode of a sitcom For two and a half hours It's so exhausting

[00:57:00] And everything's so brightly lit Regardless of whether they're indoors Outdoors, natural light Sunlight Like everything looks like an episode of Friends Like on fucking crack John Seale baby So this like And he has good collaborators And Hans Zimmer doing a score That's just like infuriating

[00:57:18] It's an annoying score But you watch this scene where it's like Okay he's trying to get out of Certain subtle dynamic Oh we get to dine out But my daughter self-conscious At the price So I want to block her from this But the men here

[00:57:29] I want to shield her from this But everything is cranked up To like a 17 Sure Until it feels like A fucking guitar solo Rather than being like A sort of like little ditty I don't know what Yeah I mean sure What's the point of that scene Richard

[00:57:43] He just talked for 15 minutes Well you think that That what's good I mean maybe this is me Just sort of you know Maybe it's good that he doesn't give you This is you This is you Oh circus musical Um But you think Like I close this here

[00:57:57] I hate that fucking song Hey never enough No never enough I love Never enough From now on we won't talk about it Sorry that was another circus musical reference But you think that this scene Is going to be like They're rude to her Or you know they say

[00:58:11] Yes yes You can't eat here or whatever Which would be hack and stupid It would be hack and stupid But at least it like Fits into the context of the movie Right What is this doing Reaffirming that she's Instead it's like she passes The waitress's test

[00:58:22] Cause the waitress goes like Good yes And it's like Okay so it's proving that She's hot great Right But I think that what it's Really trying to do Is set up this weird Moralistic kind of conservative Bent that she has Sure That's the whole weird thing

[00:58:36] About this character for me Is that he's trying to set her up As this woman of such Unimpeachable values Yeah She knows what she believes in And what she will Take a stand against And she's trying to raise her daughter With very clear lines Yeah

[00:58:49] Of who she needs to be But instead it mostly just comes off As she hates everything Yeah She's very reactionary Very Like in general Like everything is sort of troubling Like you don't really get the sense of Positive lessons that she's teaching Her daughter

[00:59:03] Just what she's telling her daughter Not to do None of it really makes sense Because she takes this job That like is totally upending Now obviously like there's this Economic underpinning to it So fine I mean that's More than enough justification For her to take the damn job

[00:59:17] But like It's weird how bewildered She is by everything Like she's never encountered Like rich people before Well she walked out of the Like this is like Like the 19 I don't know Like early 1900s Like her value system is so She's just horrified by America

[00:59:35] And she's supposed to have lived there For however many years Like this movie is like It's not even like a fish out of water Comedy It's James and Brooks being like Well you know Like you know Right Their culture is more traditional Like it's like

[00:59:46] Right he has every Everything is there But that's the thing And it's so extreme That's not It doesn't play as a fish out of Water comedy It plays like enchanted Where it's like Come from a different dimension Right Like fucking like Like doing It's basically like

[01:00:00] He just said something And then wrote Dash African proverb You know It's so like Novelizing of like Actual people Yes I don't know So I wonder what kind of person that is Well it's yeah Right Here's my impression of Spanglish Because I feel like the first Half hour

[01:00:17] It's like jammed Do your impression of Spanglish Ehh I don't know No the first half hour Is like so much shit And then I feel like The movie just kind of like Dies Tayliona leaves the movie Because she starts having an affair Right and just disappears

[01:00:30] And then like Nothing happens Three scenes together Yes Also is that how affairs work That you just leave the house Fully visible to your mother And daughter Correctly At night time Yeah yeah Thomas had insurance I have to go to a place now Where are you going

[01:00:45] I'll see you later Yeah nothing And so but in this First half hour Like Brooks is ladling On all this info about everyone Right So like we got Clarissa Leachman drinking From her like goblets And she like an old standards crew Yeah she's I don't know

[01:00:58] She's Barbara Cook or something But like lit all the time You know who it was meant to be Right It was meant to be Anne Bancroft The actress Who then got ill And Clarissa Leachman jumped in late It definitely feels like It was written for Anne Bancroft

[01:01:10] It feels like it was written For a very sad You know yes A classy sort of like A husky voice broad And Anne Bancroft But Tayliona is way more plausible As Clarissa Leachman's daughter Agreed And Anne Bancroft as a character type

[01:01:26] Was very good at that sort of like Affected Jewish impression Of waspiness You're just thinking of a You know the graduate I think that was a lot of her Yes Also her vibe you know The Jewish wasp is a very specific Type of person

[01:01:42] And the person who regales you With their greatness And all that sort of stuff She hadn't done a movie since Heartbreakers And she's good in Heartbreakers You know I never saw Heartbreakers Heartbreakers is underhanded Well I went to See it the Halloween In London And where

[01:01:56] Why would you see it in London What were you doing there Vacation or something Yeah maybe who knows And they They cancelled the screening The projector broke Really? So that's why I never saw Heartbreakers I think I saw them twice in theaters And your heart was broken Exactly

[01:02:12] And you walked home in the rain With the double decker buses splashing And they said I'll never see a David Merkin joint again That's right I know the director of Heartbreakers is Congratulations Yeah Oh okay get the door griff Let me get the door

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[01:03:10] And slap the pipe out of your hand Look you mostly squash like mushroom beings and stuff Yeah after going down a pipe I don't understand Alright alright I'm not here to split hairs I fix pipes my way I crouch down I go into them Right

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[01:05:17] And but then you've also got You got Sandler who's like There's these scenes where he's stressing out That he's gonna get a good review In the New York Times In his kitchen Which and it's supposed to prove How Like Noble Noble he is and he just really wants

[01:05:29] Like the simple life You know and it's like But then you see the fucking restaurant And it's like It's like Versailles It's all like fancy and done up It's the restaurant from Chef It's the same fucking place It's not homie at all No

[01:05:40] And who's his top chef in the kitchen Okay so I want to talk about this Phil Rosenthal Co-creator of Everybody Loves Raymond Everybody Loves Raymond's creator is The whatever Sue Chef right The number two guy Then who's the girl I don't know who is it No

[01:05:57] Remember how there's this Martha Kaufman Co-creator of Friends There's this female chef in all those scenes Who's sort of like I agree And you're like Is this character gonna like Have an arc or something She's from Home Alone right She's in Home Alone

[01:06:09] I know her from Jerry Maguire In which she is the one who's crying On the phone going like I hate that they did this to you Jerry And then like Takes the other call and is like Hello Jim this Yes But is she also in

[01:06:22] I want to look her up now I don't know I could be wrong Wait what did you She's in Home Alone you're saying I think she's one of the One of the siblings are one of the I think she's the one Who says Lays in Compiton

[01:06:34] Lays in Compiton It definitely feels in this movie Like they're setting her up to be The protege who is in love With horror mentor And then she just disappears Just manages She is in Home Alone You are correct Congratulations Five Home Alone points

[01:06:48] I am not Lays in Compiton Hey I disagree Wow Fued? Fued Richard and Benny? Well no I was saying about The kitchen dynamic They're showing that She looks up to the chef Right, yes It has nothing to do with romance I mean I've worked in many kitchens

[01:07:07] And you always have sort of like The number two Who is like always looking to Surpass the head chef Sure And then this is the young hungry Just wants to be in his position I'm in kitchen comfort I'm over here

[01:07:19] I never loved you more than I do now So I see it totally different But it's probably because I've worked in restaurant No, you are owning me on this one You have the fucking experience He's got no reservations Look at this guy It's a big night for Benny

[01:07:35] You just got burnt Ran into him I don't know And now we've named all five Oh boy Anyway that's it We're done The thing about The restaurant was like I say Oh, I feel like Brooks is almost Trying to like

[01:07:52] Oh, wouldn't it be interesting to make a movie About the burden of being successful If someone calls you a genius Then it becomes difficult to do the thing You were first good at Which I think certainly is something that Affected James L Brooks' creativity

[01:08:04] But he does not figure out how to attack this With any sort of insight It's a movie that just feels like Why is this guy so upset about getting a great review But maybe that's what James L Brooks is like And that's what he's pouring into this

[01:08:16] Also if you're gonna like I mean I Ben is so frustrated No please Richard If you're gonna Obviously in certain examples Studio 16 The Sunset Trip comes to mind Never show the comedy If you're supposed to be good comedy Don't show it because it's going to be bad

[01:08:29] Totally true But in this instance it's like Well if he's the best chef in the country Could we know a little bit more about the food As you see the sandwich Well the sandwich is amazing Right which was made by someone who works at

[01:08:39] What's it called the laundry Oh French laundry French laundry Interesting So obviously like Because the sandwich is like fourth build In the movie I think Right I mean the sandwich is like Big part of the movie And there was Oscar buzz for the sandwich

[01:08:52] There was the best sandwich Best support you think But then you see him make like Lamb chops one time Yeah And looks fine I mean Yeah it looks totally lamb chop Just a small lamb chop Right yeah But you look at a movie The plating stuff that sequence

[01:09:03] Or at least when he's talking about it That's all pretty legit That's true that's true I just wish I'd seen more in the restaurant It is also weird like And you know Broadcast news sets an unfortunate standard But like Here's a movie about people who are all consumed

[01:09:16] By their career By their chosen Chosen field by their form All this sort of stuff And then like this And how do you know Have people who are like Very obsessed with their work And you get no sense of their relationship to The work Right

[01:09:29] They just complain about stuff And Taylee O'Neill's character is completely Unmoored because we've found out in that first scene That she like recently lost her job But she was a designer or something Yeah they bought the company and she's Like she seems to be like rich but aimless

[01:09:41] Like And she's like I'm not good at being Like a stay home parent You know it's like Go get a fucking job You go fucking chill out I have a huge question And Ben you might be the one to answer this Okay

[01:09:51] Because this is a plot thread that's totally dropped Unless it's just supposed to be like Representational and you don't need to know It's a MacGuffin What's the fucking thing that they're mad at the son about Oh they don't bring that up do they?

[01:10:03] Right because the beginning of the movie Adam Sennlund doesn't enter into 15 minutes The son who is like What's holy shit That kid's got a face Yeah My god Ian Highland is his name But that's the opening of the movie is like Time to start considering waking up

[01:10:17] And then he says dad are you mad at me And he goes no of course not And then Taylor is a breakdown about the fact That they're messaging two different things Good cup Bad cup Bad cup Tries to cup her breast Wrong breast Oh god

[01:10:29] That's a wild scene That's another one The sexuality in the movie is We're getting to that This movie has honestly The most upsetting sex scene I've ever seen In a film Right yes It was choreographed by Ventreer It was But anyone talks about the showgirl sex scene

[01:10:42] But doesn't talk about this They never talk about what the son did Right No he don't I think it's just innocuous I think it's just he's a kid And he acted out It just feels like it's a big enough thing

[01:10:51] For them to have that much of a fight over it It's weird for them not to be like We can't let him slip by cheating on a test Like whatever Yeah right Give me fucking three words They don't mention it Yeah

[01:11:02] And then the boy just disappears from most of the movie He's not in the movie Right And so I was gonna say Right the other thing that happens And this apart from the things we all discussed Is that Taylor Leone buys some clothes For her daughter

[01:11:12] Her daughter is named Bernice Played by Sarah Steele The best performance in the movie Well Sarah Steele is a great actress She's a great actor She's a great actor She's a good actress She saw her in those humans Yes she's wonderful Margaret I re-saw Margaret recently Yes

[01:11:25] She's very good in that She was on The Good Wife for many years And now she's on The Good Fight And his biola accounts a very good person Has been answering her third decade of playing Teenagers because she's one of those actors Me and Esther long ago agreed

[01:11:36] That she would be the star of Esther The Esther Zuckerman story Oh good call Good call That's part of we can announce A blank check picture So our slate where we're gonna develop films Based off of our favorite friends and guests Right So she buys her these clothes

[01:11:51] I wanna be played by Taylor Leone Done Please don't worry The contract's already been drawn Okay No she buys her these clothes And the clothes are too small for her I guess they're size 8 right Right And Taylor Leone She sees the number immediately knows What her mom's doing

[01:12:07] And gets uncomfortable I think genuinely devastating scene I think it's pretty well done And I think it's also like that's pitched Like that I get That's like Taylor Leone being a realistic monster Yes She's like well I mean it said go And she said she went to essentially

[01:12:23] What was like a sample sale And so she's like well they only had They only had 8 or 10 And I'm not gonna get you the bigger one Right Because they were encouraging that But like the way that Sarah Steele Especially pitches that kind of

[01:12:34] That realization of like oh my god This like nice moment Like just became horrible It's so I think so good So good And then Adam Sandler explains all of that Right Yes And Pat's Vega is like horrified She's just standing there And this sort of

[01:12:47] It's not entirely clear how she would know Exactly what was going on Right Takes it home, stays up all night Yeah Like re-stitching these clothes So that they're So that they've Opened up a size Yes Right And then learns from her daughter the phrase Just try it on

[01:13:00] Right Spends the rest of the evening Practicing that one line Right And then the next time we ever see her Interacting with the family Do you know what I mean? Like this is the only time Paz Vega really like does a thing Feels like a human being Yeah

[01:13:12] Like apart from that We don't really see her working that much She's sort of just around You know whatever She's like There's like a thing with the dog Where you can't like play fetch with the dog Which is probably almost definitely something Just from his life Exactly

[01:13:24] But like we don't I think I thought Oh okay well the spine of the movie Will be this It's like Paz Vega Like comes into this neurotic family's life And tries to sort of like Help them out Like Mary Poppins Right but instead it's like

[01:13:35] That happens and then that's that That doesn't come up again Well here's another thing Because Taileoni immediately Just vanished into the movie pretty much Well Brooks also seems a little bit scared To actually show her doing work in the house Like domestic work Sure

[01:13:46] And I'll say the one time You do see her doing work Is kind of like a brutal shot Where like her daughter is hanging out with the family And she's And looking over her shoulder And her mother's like picking up clothes Yeah Yeah Yes There is that thing

[01:14:00] It's mud bound right That I think gets Gets at this Mud bound Right Sure I don't know what you're talking about Am I wrong about this That there's the moment where Mary J. Blige In like the narration has the monologue About her mother Working as a domestic

[01:14:15] When she was growing up And not being present Am I conflating this with something else Yes This is mud bound This is mud bound Right The notion that like Growing up Different thing I don't know Growing up Being angry at your mother For spending all her time

[01:14:29] With a different family Yeah Presenting that And then growing older And coming to realize Oh, she had to be that connected To those children In order to make the money To support me I mean, something Tony Kushner wrote about With Carolyn or change

[01:14:43] I mean from the opposite perspective There is a dynamic there That is interesting Yeah You know Oh, absolutely Especially if you add on the other level of Oh and weirdly the mother of this family Is taking a liking to the daughter Yeah

[01:14:55] And this sort of like two mothers Who are forming relationships With each other's daughters Right And the tension is kind of interesting Yeah This moment with her Doing the thing with the outfit Like that all builds in that And then it just sort of like

[01:15:06] And then that's it It's like The next thing is Adam Sandler Getting a good review And it quickly It quickly gets to a point where Taylione resents her presence in the house Yeah Paz Vega hates I don't know any of these characters' names By the way

[01:15:19] No, it's Flora I know Flora Yeah, Flora Taylione is Deborah Klasky Okay Sure But like And it's like Oh, well why is this still happening And why then Yeah After it's already been kind of awkward Why are we now going to Malibu?

[01:15:34] Right, because I have to get a summer house It's priority We've got to have a summer house They've already had one blow up Oh right, well it's No, I think it's all in Malibu Is it all in Malibu? Because so before they go to Malibu Adam Sandler, John

[01:15:45] This is character's name Gets the good review And Sarah Steele reads it to him While crying Because everyone in this movie has cried Like after 20 minutes of running time Yeah And then Taylione has sex With Adam Sandler They're both closed A heroine scene

[01:16:00] This is a very strange thing She's wearing a sports bra and running shoes Sure Sarah Steele, which like She's good in the scene but like What Kate is doing that for their parents? I have no idea She's a teenager She's not supposed to be like Anyway

[01:16:14] But she's like I wonder what mom's going to say And then we cut to Taylione running up the stairs And her jogging stuff And she's like I read it And then she immediately Like they start doing it It's an aphrodisiac It's the middle of the day

[01:16:25] Is the daughter like out on the stairwell? Like I don't know what's going on And it's so loud Yes, it is loud Yes I mean it's scarring for these children I think that's why the little boy leaves He just gets a little bindle

[01:16:35] And just runs off into the Bell air And she has this very bizarre series of Like I don't even know how to Fucking describe this She's on top of him And she starts just doing shit Right She's just like Yeah And you can't figure out if it's like

[01:16:52] Is what they're trying to play That she's being too performative Or that she is actually this into it And then she sort of breaks down Are they having sex? Yeah Or are they just dry humping? No, I think they're supposed to be having sex

[01:17:05] It looks because of how they're dressed And how they're blocked It's one of those like sex scenes Where no one actually takes all their clothes off Just wearing running shoes On screen You know what I mean Like they just kind of like And like a whole time

[01:17:16] Adamson was going like Whoa He's like I don't even need to do anything He slaps her stomach And he's like Oh mother too Or whatever I can't believe it Right And then she like Is doing this And then she starts to get uncomfortable

[01:17:30] And then you can't tell what's going on And you're like Is she having a breakdown And then she comes Is that where we're supposed to be Yeah, because she does this series Of facial contortions Right And re-watching it I was like That moment where she's doing that

[01:17:42] And you just see all this work And you're like Oh, Taya That's when I was like This performance is like I feel so bad for her Because she Cut your losses Don't give them this much That's true And you can almost see her realizing

[01:17:54] Like I'm going to do it But you know She's like too much of a pro When I used to audition for plays When I was in high school and college And I was not a good actor And you would always choose this As your model Yeah

[01:18:04] This scene from somewhere I'd actually just do the whole movie Yeah That's why I never did That's why you did get the part It was a two hour and 45 minute audition I would look up And the room would be dark And everyone was like Um But

[01:18:16] I remember one in particular Where I really wanted this part And I went in And I just went so full tilt Yeah And I knew Not even 30 seconds in I was like This is going very badly Right here But this was a mistake

[01:18:31] But you can't throw it back And I feel like there is a moment When she's in that orgasm scene The sequence of O-Faces Where you're just like Oh, you can see it She knows it's bad She knows it's bad She just had so many takes

[01:18:42] That's what you have to think about Like he's meticulous He's known for doing like 100 takes of shit They had different angles Over and over again And then Sandler just kind of gets frustrated Like, oh no, don't stop Ah, come on Well, isn't the idea though That she's selfish?

[01:18:56] Yeah Because she only wants to get off herself It's the first sex scene where Like the woman comes and the man doesn't And the man is annoyed about it Yeah, well it happens fast But also like I don't have sex with women But like Cumble break Hey Hey

[01:19:13] Hey Half-faggity fancy Isn't the whole thing Do it at 18, baby Like she could keep going We blew up the levels Yes, she could Well, uh, hmm Yeah, she could Yeah, yeah, yeah Yes Anyway, what doesn't matter Because then she starts crying

[01:19:27] Griffin just went on a whole journey of it I don't know, I'm going through my own Taillione series of facial contortions What if they told me Yeah, wait a second I thought the crying thing was funny I thought that was a funny bit I swear to you

[01:19:41] I laughed at that I thought that was funny Did you watch this movie with Myelin? She liked it She loves this movie Really? In English Yes, my girlfriend loves this movie The Great Molly game, baby I have this vision of Ben watching Spanglish

[01:19:53] While doing the Nelson months in Branson Like when they're going Who are they singing? It's not Neil Diamond But like It's a brother's song Yeah, he's just like so wrapped Yes, yes That's Ben watching the movie Who is it? Is it Hank Williams Jr., I think

[01:20:05] Yeah, he seems moomer In Branson And he goes, bam, second on Banned second on for her Yeah It's such a funny Simpson scene Even Martin's not into it I guess that's what he wrote Did he? No You know what I did find out He wrote, he did write

[01:20:19] You Are A Least Of Simpson Well, that's the That's what I associated with him Is the second season The more emotional You know, sort of Character-focused The least of these episodes Yes, yes I don't know if like By, you know Season 10 he's still like Hey guys, like

[01:20:32] I got some notes Like The Sun Spheres full of wigs Good gag They tell a story on the fucking James L. Brooks American Master Asked documentary they have On the broadcast news criterion About like being in the writers And being like Mr. Bergstrom has to hand

[01:20:52] Lisa something profound Like what is it And they were all like Drafting things And that James L. Brooks Literally wrote down You Are A Least Of Simpson Folded up, put on a piece of paper Amazing And rather than say it out loud Pitch it to them as

[01:21:04] Like the full experience And they were like That's why he's James L. Brooks He's brilliant Or was Yes, something happened So then they moved to Malibu Well, the sex is terrible And yet we still have not gotten To really any articulation of What is wrong with the marriage

[01:21:21] In specific No, it's never specifically It's never specifically articulated Apart from that she seems to be In the grip of a nervous breakdown He's a total wet blanket Like there's nothing more to it But almost immediately after their sex He's freaking out about the review And she's like

[01:21:38] Fuck, but I gotta go Look at summer houses She's just been so turned on by him Even though she's frustrated by him being Too beloved by their children And then goes and meets up with Thomas Hayden church Backing in on that Oscar nomination Thomas Hayden church who, right

[01:21:51] Film this before He executes a reverse around the corner Into, you know, into a... Where I'm like It's one of those shots where you're like A car accident is about to happen Like this is such a complicated driving move

[01:22:04] That we have to be seeing this for some reason We're not seeing it for a reason The horrible car accident in adaptation When it's the flashback No, you're seeing it for a reason The characterization is This guy's a master of cars Because she's sitting in the front seat

[01:22:17] And her hair's blowing in her face And she goes, I guess I'm never going to be one of those girls His hair looks perfect in a Corvette And he does like Jiu-Jitsu Like windows Windows and then put your seat back And then her hair is like

[01:22:29] That scene is bizarre Right And then she looks at him Can you imagine the wind guys After like, oh god She looks at him and goes like Oh, you're trouble And you're like, oh boy What are they teeing up here? Then they don't talk about it again

[01:22:40] For 90 minutes Until she reveals that they've been fucking For those 90 minutes And that's where she's been acting She's been acting in the movie An only chloro-inflation knows about it They treat it like Jeff and Britta In season three of Community Yes, they do That's what they do

[01:22:50] Which is whatever Fine, okay So they go to Malibu Sure She explains And they have to move in now Because the boss is too long It's too long to boss ride Right, Viya, a random guy cleaning his car In a wife beater And that's a... Will you translate?

[01:23:05] For her? Yeah, let me Okay He's got like a sort of a pompadour Go suck into it I'm sorry, that's Ben's favorite character How do you say they should name a gender after you in Spanish? What, sorry? How do you say they should name a gender

[01:23:18] After you in Spanish? We'll get to that We'll get to that So she is essentially... Floor is coerced into moving in to Malibu And the guy who's translating expresses A little dismay when she agrees to do it His face falls a little bit

[01:23:32] Yes, he's actually pretty good at this And it's like why is she coerced? I guess just because of the job But like she reveals that she has a daughter When she hasn't mentioned, Taillione But they've been holding that secret from her Well not Sam, Sam was like

[01:23:45] Hey, there's probably a reason And Taillione was like No, shut up, don't talk to me But this woman who is so fiercely protective Of her daughter's And her privacy Of her daughter's experience in the world They live in this enclave Where whatever

[01:24:01] Why would she agree to do this? That doesn't make any sense to me She's an illegal immigrant Do you know how hard it is to have a job And live in this country? And that's true That's fair I just don't believe that

[01:24:17] I just think the thing with the daughter Is a little bit... It's too neat, it's too convenient I genuinely adore that every single element of this Movie track You know because there are like the movies Where I feel like this

[01:24:28] There are movies I sit there and I watch And I'm like every single piece of this Makes sense, I don't know why everyone else It's hard to complain about Like what you're saying though Because none of that They never dig into any of it It's all so vague

[01:24:39] Because the daughter starts going to private school Is this being... Is she a full scholarship? Who's paying for this? Who did the documentation on this? What's going on there? That line we were talking about earlier Which I do think is kind of nice Where she says

[01:24:51] My concern is that if she goes to that place Either she's gonna be odd Or she's gonna become just like them Right You know, either way It's all very grandly metaphorical Where like the money is actually mentioned We do hear about it Right But like we see no...

[01:25:03] We don't see her life We don't see her house Right We don't see where she used to work Which seemed to be fine Right But like you know to too many hours Or what you know It was overnight She had two jobs so one during the day

[01:25:14] And one at night This is like This is never gonna get the idea for her I feel like this is the good job Right She's landed with a rich family Right This is her opportunity To make some real money Right But she's also fighting against it

[01:25:25] The entire time That's true She's not into it No But you're not to hate your job Agreed Yeah I mean you do Oh come on now You've been producing this podcast Yeah Because you guys I just looked at the Robocop runtime Oh boy Jesus I think though

[01:25:43] I will admit that you're right I'm imbuing a lot of stuff Into the characters And that's the runtime before the ads Right What's that? The Robocop Yes Great Yeah How you doing Richard? I'm good Richard had a really pensive expression I was just thinking

[01:26:01] Like I think you're exactly right But like that her immigration status And we're at a moment right now Where we're seeing a lot of women Who are finally speaking out About horrible working conditions That they were in But they had to stay in Because they needed the job

[01:26:15] And they needed the rest I completely get that I just think that the To use the daughter as this Kind of like tool or pawn I don't know It feels weird narratively Without her actually being A fully fleshed out character If the movie was about her

[01:26:30] I would be fine And I think she's the most Interesting perspective in the movie Where she treated like a real person The position she's in is fascinating Yeah and I think I also think that her That the way that Taylor-oni Just immediately glans onto the daughter

[01:26:45] And just is so Because she's so not her own kid Right Like that's interesting She likes that the daughter Is like I think more conventionally beautiful In a lot of ways Like she can take her out Shopping She's superficial She's a design-y type of person

[01:26:59] Because pretty much the first thing She does after they move to Malibu Is takes the daughter away With like a little note Like hey, I have Florida to Bar your daughter for the day That's her first crisis Right That's where Florida has to Like stand her ground

[01:27:12] And write a whole letter But then there's God no, there is even stuff Like when she brings her To interview at the school And treats it like Oh we were just walking around And we happened to run On to the grounds And then interview

[01:27:22] The first thing she says To the headmaster is like Isn't she beautiful? Yeah Like she fetishizes The daughter in the squares But not sexually But like as this No, no you're right Part of like I like my house I like my drapes And she says something about

[01:27:37] She says to Flora Like You could make Like a fortune Yes Like with like child modeling Or so what is it? As like a You're like a womb Or like Yes a surrogate You can make your first Portunes as a surrogate Which is like Again I get Brooks

[01:27:54] I get that line Because he's making Poking fun at like Rich LAPO Who only think of These things But I guess there is a certain element Also that's interesting About the movie Where They're perhaps saying They're definitely saying Things in front of her That they wouldn't normally

[01:28:10] Because she doesn't speak English Right Which then When she does very conveniently Learn English All that To be fair She learns Spanish Oh thank you Sorry excuse me She learns Spanish When she learns A muzy Chloro-sleashman is great As muzy in this I will say that

[01:28:30] But you know At this point we've announced That as part of the Blank check pictures film slate We're rebooting muzy Into a multimedia franchise It's gonna start Agnes Varda Agnes Varda We're probably We are probably ten days away From someone announcing a CGI Live action muzy hybrid

[01:28:49] Starring Agnes Varda Well I mean it's a real boon For Gorin French Gorins you know Do you know about this the Gorins? You don't know about Gorins No what Do you know about Gorins? Gorins? From the legend of Zelda Oh no Oh there are these little rock

[01:29:06] Yes yes yes yes That's Agnes Varda Yes yes yes She's a Gorin A lovable one Of course of course Oh my god What are we talking about again I don't know Here's like a scene where I can't figure out where Vega stands okay Sandler does the like

[01:29:24] Hey I need all these Each stone So the first blow up is The shopping trip this is The second one He wants the sea glass Sea glass Right And he What's his offer? He goes what a dollar per It can't be a dollar

[01:29:36] It must be more than that It's like it's No because it's It's a dollar for Every piece and then For ones that are bigger Than this it's Five dollars And then once That are not That are Anything but Clear brown or green Right Is then worth more Right

[01:29:52] And so she finds all these Like blue ones Great metaphor for capitalism Sure Right and he sort of makes This offer is a joke Or I guess it's more like His children are lazy So he doesn't really think They're gonna like It's an idle thing He's just like

[01:30:04] Yeah like something to do He wants Something to keep the kids Occupied All his kids do are Like sit on pool noodles He's hoping that His son will be swept out To sea Right It's like give him a task I'll have to pay out Five ten dollars maybe

[01:30:17] Paying Chloris Leachman She would have killed the kids Oh she's gonna be in her She's a stone cold killer Have Thomas Hayden church drive over But then She comes back the next day The daughter Right And is like I'm so sorry I'm so sorry

[01:30:34] I've seen her on the beach I stayed up all night counting Please don't pay me anything And he's like What? Spills it all over How much do I owe you Six hundred forty dollars Well what happens Is she Shows him how much She found on the beach

[01:30:47] He says Oh now I'm broke And she's like Oh you don't have to pay me It's okay No I was joking I'm sorry I'm serious about it Yeah And so it's like Hundreds of dollars That he again just has in cash

[01:30:59] Of course he gets it out of the mug And he gets a tour In a brown paper envelope And then Paz Vega gets furious That she was paid for doing A chance Like it wasn't Like I understand She's like Don't accept money Just wantonly given out Yeah

[01:31:14] Taylor Yoni asked Handing you a twenty to wipe your nose It's so much money Right And then Sandler's like I'm sorry I thought I was gonna Like fifty bucks max I made her promise You know I've made a deal Right he's like

[01:31:25] I'm trying to honor a contract here But he says Like I thought it'd be like fifty bucks And she's like Fifty bucks is a lot of money Like she is trying to Like refocus it But like This man lives He's in a beach house in Malibu

[01:31:36] He has no concept of money Like Man she put a lot of work into that Like she stayed up all night counting it Like it's not like She just like Looking for Like a quick block Like she like did the time On this task she was given

[01:31:48] But still I mean it's an awkward Like look If I had a kid And some parent Like that I knew Who's richer than me Gave my kid like Hundreds of dollars Cause my kid did some bullshit I'd be like You can't do that You know what

[01:32:01] I'm in charge of the money My kid gets Exactly You know what it made me Think about Was a really great scene In the River Wild When it's their birthday For Joseph Mazzello And Kevin Bacon Like gives him this weird Like I don't know Stick that has like

[01:32:14] A hole in it And he takes out of the hole It's And he takes out And it's 200 dollars From the From the cattle option that they robbed Right And he's like You know he's really excited And Meryl's just like No no no you can't

[01:32:26] And both her and David's They're like No we can't accept that And it's really well played Again that sort of social It's a weird dynamic Awkwardness of like Don't give my kid money And I think that That this does it Well too And this is

[01:32:39] It tends to be the center piece Of the film Like this scene This big Kind of like This definition of Both of their kind of ideologies And like you know whatever One of these fights where Adam Sandler is Stark Raven-Colm Yeah As Taley Oni-Lazer

[01:32:53] He's holding a big sandwich for a lot of it He's holding the sandwich This is the scene where he's made the sandwich He's made a what It's like a lardon Or like Like it's a fancy BLT with an egg It's got a fried egg

[01:33:03] Right and there's this scene Where there's a shot of him Separating the sandwich And like the egg goon And he goes like Oh you're a lard good Or whatever Like a big beer and like a nice glass Oh god it does

[01:33:13] And you always say nothing frustrates you more It does frustrate me I was very frustrated Don't eat meals I also really like fried egg sandwiches If you do them right Like like a thousand times more than a scrambled egg sandwich You know what I mean

[01:33:23] It's well known that I hate eggs So when they have the lingering 15 second shot Of the egg running down the side of the sandwich That for me is like the eyeball being slit And then Shanla on the loo I lost my mind Do you know who you have

[01:33:36] What you have that in common with Who? Guy Fieri He's egg Doesn't like an egg We have a lot of things in common Well you have the same hair Right Your sunglasses are on the back of your head right now We both close down large businesses

[01:33:46] In Times Square over New Years You also have a product you call Donkey's Loss Oh boy But you don't want to know what that is No griff, no dough And it was the M&M store that you closed down I did

[01:33:58] You just did that as a public service I did It was March 2020 That was my older business We closed up 10 years Oh man, Mars 2112 I think I had a full week consecutive birthdays Did you know that you had to go to Mars? 25, 26, 27 2112 Anyway

[01:34:15] I went to a birthday at Mars 2112 I remember taking Romley there right before it closed Because she was born after a Tay Day Like she never When I was like You boys used to love that so much You should take Rom there And I took her there

[01:34:28] And they just hadn't done maintenance They knew it was closing It was just like The walls were peeling and shit It was like Troy McClure's apartment Exactly It was a restaurant off of Times Square In York City For those of you who don't know

[01:34:40] Where you would get into like a simulator You had to board a motion They'd go here's your flight Your flight is in five minutes And you'd get an emotion simulator ride That featured almost hitting the World Trade Center And was not updated after 9-11 Oh god

[01:34:54] I definitely went to it before 9-11 Now I remember And it was open for another seven years I think it closed in 2008 And then you'd go into this restaurant There was this huge cavernous recreation It was like the rainforest cafe With the catacombs of Mars Yes, yes

[01:35:07] And your waiters would be dressed up as Martians And they had Martian go-go dancers And like balls suspended from the ceiling I just remember that I went And it was like hockey puck pizza And I got like a space burger And it was like a burger

[01:35:19] I don't know if it was very space They had a great arcade They had a cool arcade I remember that Close in 2012 Yeah, geez So it was just 100 years old They almost made it You were so close They almost made it Jesus Christ Alright So Spanglish

[01:35:39] So this is the Mars 2112 scene They get this big fight And he pulls her out And it's a translated fight Right, the daughter Because this is his thing He never uses subtitles She's trying to find the word for smug Yes But I love that

[01:35:54] That is actually a great brook scene Where she says the word And the daughter's like And Sam is like Oh, that's not going to be a good word Like he sinks into his chair I'm not going to like that one That is funny

[01:36:05] But then he calls her out He's like Well, you changed the clothes of my daughter So how different is that? You're paying her to fucking do that shit What are you talking about, Adam Sadler? Even those moments that are night's ideas Are so underlined And italicized

[01:36:19] And in boldness Like he never lets a moment Just sort of like Happen off-handedly Which is what he used to be so good at Is that paying her though? Well, he's paying her to She's She gets involved in the How would you describe her?

[01:36:37] What is her role in the house? She's like What's the word you would use for her? I guess I would say made She's a maid And like a maid altering a child's clothes Is not that Outside of the purview Did anyone ask her to do it?

[01:36:49] She's not allowed to tab her own initiative She can only do what she's commanded to do I mean, I feel He's saying the dynamics are the same They are not the same That is a weird comparison for him to make Okay, alright

[01:37:00] She's a paid domestic servant for the household But she's trying to help this little girl Is feeling really so proud To just about her weight Yeah, it was a good thing for her to do I guess, alright But he's saying like it's an intrusion

[01:37:10] Like just like how I handed your daughter An envelope of money I agree with Ben that I think it is A wholly nice thing to do But it's only a conflict Because she is so staunchly against Any time that they make a move But almost every time

[01:37:26] The claskies are trying to be nice They hand over money Right You know what I mean? But what I also don't And maybe this is what I felt was weird About the fact that she comes to live In Malibu with the kid does And maybe I wasn't articulating

[01:37:39] And the kid loves it by the way She's so into Malibu Is if that kind of interference Is gonna bother her Why put her in Like what is she gonna do Otherwise sit in that little room for three months Like she's gonna interact with this family

[01:37:52] They're going to interfere In some capacity It's one of those movies where it's like You don't understand why she doesn't quit sooner Or why she quits it all Like it's one of those things where By the end of the movie when she does quit She's already fucked up

[01:38:05] But she needs the job Like Ben said Either you're gonna stick with it Or you're gonna get angry at the first offense And walk out and be lying in the sand There's a weird Obviously what happens between her And Sandler changes Cast the die a bit

[01:38:19] But then it just turns into science fiction Because then after that is when She has this thing where he corrects her And she goes like You're right She concedes the point And there's a detente That's so amazing And it's like the Brooks

[01:38:33] Wouldn't be great if our insecurities were sexy But Richard's right Also Adam Sandler is like a maze That a woman just agreed to something he said And also you think you can do these things Nemo but you can't Yeah, let's do some broke Yeah I know

[01:38:48] Well I mean If you look at the way that he I guess this is the moment when he starts To kind of fall in love with her Here's the first woman who hasn't yelled at me in my life Is like what they're trying to present

[01:38:57] Do you think if we had sex She'd take all of her clothes off And maybe be a mutual experience There would be cleats digging into my sides So the ideal woman is Like Taylor Yone's character is this Harpy nightmare But the other woman in the movie is

[01:39:15] Can't speak English He can't communicate with her She's kind of silent and pretty Which is like the weird little mermaid complex Or the love actually thing Where it's like Colin Farrell I mean Colin Firth I wish it was Colin Firth Oh boy

[01:39:27] Colin Firth falling in love with the Portuguese woman Who can't speak English Which a thing I love about the shape of water Is that the character who has that viewpoint Is the bad guy That Michael Shannon is totally Into fetishizing the way that she can't talk

[01:39:42] Hey bottle rocket Egg Bottle rocket That's part of the movie Yeah Although in that one I think he connects with her In spite of that rather than them That being the attraction Oh you just did the sign language for egg We're in love now Did I really?

[01:39:56] Yeah that's an egg It's just like in shape of water She's like egg He's like egg and she's like Well clearly this is happening I'm throwing down with this fucking sea creature Great movie He knows the word for egg Great movie So now they're like in love

[01:40:11] She decided she wants to learn English Well we know that he has a thing for her But we don't really know about her for him No Really until the end She respects that Don't they have that thing Or does that come later when she says

[01:40:22] That he's more like a Mexican woman That's when they're in the car Yes that's earlier When after Talioni has like Threatened to snap his dick off or whatever Like he drives her I can't, I don't remember what Talioni did But he's in tears

[01:40:34] I go, no it's after Talioni did the clothes thing Right And he's in tears expressing to her Like man she was having such a good day And she was so happy about the present And then to watch her fit Right

[01:40:45] It seemed like all her problems with her mother Were solved And Pazvig is basically like If this person crying I can't deal with this I don't know what he's saying It's like her first day at work Right basically tries to like jump out of the car

[01:40:55] And he's like hey, way, way, way You know and like but yes Then the monologue is like Yes he was more like a woman Yeah That's in the college Tears The idea is that He's like the only man who has ever listened

[01:41:07] And he's in touch with his emotions And he's perceptive And so Pazvig recognizes this like Well Pazvig as a Mexican has never seen a man do this I guess I don't know Right? I don't get it Yeah I don't know But then she learns English

[01:41:22] Then she learns English from Muzzy It's a real tape IMDB trivia real tape I think it's not Muzzy But let's just say it is Muzzy And this is what I'm saying about science fiction Like then the kid gets enrolled in private school Like Okay great

[01:41:38] Can I go to private school? She'd like kid leans on her mother for a while You know Here's an extra backpack Here's an extra backpack She's lying around Taylione rips off the tag What used to be played out in a Brooks Master shot now has to get like

[01:41:51] A fucking punched in close up Just so you don't miss You know? Like no detail unnoticed And now she's going to school And Taylione who's basically not been in the movie Is like How's everyone doing? I'll see you all later Getting into her SUV And Kloris Leachman

[01:42:08] Who has also kind of been quiet for a while Runs up to the car Remember the first 15 minutes I was like flinty And made like a lot of like Weedy I was like rapping grandma And I just threw out these like razor sharp barbs Right yeah

[01:42:19] I was like sort of like laying the groundwork For Betty White's next 10 years Right it was like just a lush and like A fucking She's then And then she just pops up And she's like I know what you're doing You're going to lose your husband Yeah

[01:42:31] And the audience is like This is the best man you've ever known Also I've been sober for 12 weeks No one noticed No one noticed Maybe because I wasn't on screen And She was looking for the sun Yeah But she recognizes Paz Vega and Adam Sandler Hitting it off

[01:42:45] I guess so And is like weirdly permissive Like there's that moment when she Like leaves them And is like Well she's having an affair Right I guess With Thomas and even church She's getting that church Also seems like she hates her daughter Getting that THC

[01:42:57] You know what I'm saying Ben She's got some THC Yeah I know He's got the energy he's got That's the one thing you don't like He's just playing Spanglish in his head right now Yeah he's not listening Well no I Ah yeah I don't know

[01:43:10] Got a little 2018 book I guess Yeah I know I guess positive This is the year of the positive It's just it's like this movie Where I feel like It's just so written by a white guy Who's trying And I'm like part of me is

[01:43:24] Like now as we talk it out Being like That's really generic No fuck no I don't want to ruin this for you You sick with Spanglish No you've kind of ruined it Stay on the train No I'm not even gonna The trip to Spain I don't know

[01:43:35] I didn't even want to open this Can of worms But I had a very similar reaction To how you did watching this movie Watching Downsizing Well I want to talk about Downsizing We'll talk about that in our Blanky Awards Right So let's talk about it another time

[01:43:48] We'll have talked about it in the past But I had that same thing where I was like This is all working for me I get why everyone else hates this Yeah I understand like the fire it's playing with But it's working It's clicking Anyway so now

[01:44:02] What she then Comes to Sandler and opens up about everything Yep I don't even know if there's much connective tissue Between that That's where she confesses to Sandler Right and he says like I'm sleeping with another man I didn't understand I've been seeing another man Right

[01:44:18] She's ranting and raving And he like calms her down to be like Did you sleep with the guy Yeah did you say that Did I miss that part of it He has all these like Brooks lines Where he's like you know The earth is cracked open

[01:44:27] It's so noisy Is there any way I can live without knowing At this point No I think I need to know Right And so yeah Yeah it's just like one Brooksie line After another It is it really is He's suddenly like shooting

[01:44:38] Like the T-shirt got in your ear You know like It's like whoever Wrote the AV club review For Drive Angry Shot in 3D The Nicholas Cage movie I just think of this a lot And apply it to other movies They said the problem with the film

[01:44:50] Is that it's only guitar solos Sure Yeah You know which I like that move Scott Tobias The great Scott Tobias Yes Scott Tobias Was just saying like the problem is If like every move is your special move Then that move doesn't have any power anymore Right exactly

[01:45:03] And Brooks gets to a point Where he wants every line To be like To be Brooksie Yes Bobby Finger and I sometimes like To just make up like movie premises And like cast them and whatever And we were idiots but like

[01:45:14] But we had one that we were like Talking about for a while That was like a James L. Brooks movie And it was set in Silicon Valley With Reese Witherspoon and somebody else I mean I'm on board Yeah me too Is there a title? Oh there was

[01:45:25] I don't remember what it was But anyway We kept writing a little line Like Brooksie Lines back and forth Angel Investor Oh there that's good And it's really hard But it's really fun I like those Brooksies Mine was Reese Witherspoon would say to somebody

[01:45:40] You're the kind of a person Who's the kind of a person That is such a Brooksie Oh my god that's so good Yeah yeah Oh my god Oh yes Oh my god Brooks boys But you can't do that Like you said Every line of a scene Because

[01:45:55] Especially not in your big dramatic scene Because a lot of times with those Brooksie Brooksisms They're not They don't actually mean anything Right But the scene is them But the scene means nothing Like what is being expressed In that scene between When she's

[01:46:08] Right it's like a castle made out of rice paper Yeah you're like what is I don't know And I feel like you look at Broadcast news Not to keep on going back to it But it is the perfect Like fucking You know

[01:46:20] Realization of everything that he's good at They have like A job to do There are stakes within scenes So they have to talk about other things There's like dialogue of substance That is then cut with Like these Brooksie lines Whereas this it's like

[01:46:33] Well he's freaked out about his restaurant But he doesn't really talk about it that much She doesn't have a job But she doesn't really talk about it that much They just talk in these like Brooksie sort of charming like platitudes And our supposedly like

[01:46:45] Stuff is changing and stuff is happening And I just don't feel At all And that's why When you know so Sandler leaves the house And he takes Paz Vega with him And they go to the restaurant And this is the moment When they're gonna kind of

[01:46:58] She says it's like Valhalla right Or no what does she say I hate that scene She loves it The restaurant Where it's just like It looks fine He puts his hand on her back And he can't stop patting it And he makes food Yeah he's like

[01:47:10] The rest of my body feels Like it's falling off a cliff My hand makes sense Yeah exactly And it's like Okay this is There are a lot of these good lines But what is being expressed here Where did this come from Their connection doesn't make sense She says

[01:47:23] I love you to him And it's like Wait what This very principal person But then she puts her feet on the floor Which will then cause the world to explode Looks at her feet and runs away Right But the connection between them is Is insane right

[01:47:37] But what comes before then They're in the kitchen And he's talking about how good looking she is What does he say Please Griffin go ahead They should name a gender after you What the hell does that mean I mean that's Brooks Like trying to write a Brooks line

[01:47:52] But he has like the flu or something You know what I mean Like it went through Google Translate And it came out wrong You know in The Simpsons When they show a picture of James L. Brooks And it's like the long finger Is that hit

[01:48:02] Right it's the long finger nails And the typewriter That's that version of Brooks Writing out like It also is like What a word that is loaded With so much more meaning And like And fucking like gunpowder Today than it was then

[01:48:16] Like that line was wrong headed back then But like hearing it today It feels like a slur You know It does and it's also like What does it mean Yeah right Like what I don't understand how is that That word feels like a slur But in the context

[01:48:29] I think it's just When he's saying is that she's hot I think that's what he's going for Always that what it is He thinks that she's attractive Oh okay And even though he has expressed Almost zero sexuality I mean even in his sex scene

[01:48:39] No he wears like billowy linen shirts He has like a Jew fro He looks like fucking Humpty Dumpty Like I mean The man fundamentally Cannot come You know what I mean this guy can do Is like make lamb chops You know So weird Just like he

[01:48:57] What he does like eight times in the movie Is like collapse into a comfy piece of furniture Like exasperatedly That's like Adam Sandler's whole characters Just like Of course there's an explosive An explosive set piece to end off the film Wait what was that

[01:49:13] No the movie just kind of No no well you're forgetting There's also the scene where Taillione who's made up like She just got shot with like a snot gun Oh right And she's like Well what should I do I should call him I should you know like

[01:49:25] I'll explain everything And Chloris Leachman's like No just say I'm glad you're home I'm glad you came back home Right and they have all these lines together What's the thing You know I know it was a wildly abusive mother Right Brooks is trying to tap into like

[01:49:37] Oh yeah no it's all Chloris Leachman's fault And you're like You mean the sassy broad Who's like everyone's favorite character I don't think I can tap into like Whatever she was like as a monster Like younger woman Maybe Anne Bancroft could Maybe cause Anne Bancroft's more threatening

[01:49:51] I don't know But not Chloris Leachman And so she does say this line Like inherently likable about Chloris Leachman And there's also She's the best Who fucking doesn't like Chloris Leachman There's something very like Of the people about her You know there's nothing distant about her

[01:50:06] There's nothing remote about her Even when she's mean Yeah You know where she's being kind of like body You're just like Yeah I mean she's like She's got good salt in her I think a lot of times in her later career Like when she's in stuff

[01:50:17] It's like she's just an audience member Who just like walked into the scene And it's like What's going on here And it comments on it And I think that that is like A funny thing in general But in this movie It just feels uncomfortable

[01:50:29] Cause it's like just leave Chloris Like you shouldn't be here Right Like go to a different thing Well the only thing I will say That I do like Is that it's unresolved Like we see Sandler come home Teya says the line to him

[01:50:41] He's like I'm gonna sleep on the couch And that's it That's the end of them Right and then Pretty much We have one more scene And Sarah Steele gets no real resolution And one more scene where she takes her daughter away From the family

[01:50:53] And Sarah Steele like gives her a hug Right But like And Sandler tells Sarah Steele How much he loves her Yes And Chloris Leishman says I lived my life for myself You live your life for your daughter None of it works Right Which is like

[01:51:08] There are a lot of good Like interesting lines about parenting Where like Adam Sandler says to her On the beach like You know It's sanity to worry Or whatever he's like You know there's like Some thought about how to parent

[01:51:17] And what the kind of burdens of that are That's not what the movie's about Ultimately so It doesn't really matter No But I think that that last scene when she leaves And it's very like the help We're like walking down the street You know Where

[01:51:29] Whether at the bus stop And she articulates She's like Is who I am so Like do you want to be so different from me The line is I have it here Is what you want for yourself To become someone very different than me Which is actually

[01:51:40] And Paslega delivers it beautifully And that's a really Pretty impactful Interesting tension to explore In a movie I just wish this movie did it You wish retroactively At the utterance of that line That that's what the movie Would have been about Yeah, that would be really interesting

[01:51:51] And that is also something that I believe A kid would write a college essay about 100% And I don't know But that last scene is frustrating Because it is really good And it's like Oh here's the idea of the movie And it's the last scene

[01:52:03] And it's just a pain You know I think I texted you David Something similar I was like There are some good ideas here There are For sure It's just And also for Taylor Only to get absolutely no resolution At the end like that

[01:52:15] After putting in all that crazy work And crying and Yeah, right, yeah This is the line I'm looking at right here Which I'm having like Cornerstone of the trailer Like oh this is going to be Leone's Oscar scene Is you were an alcoholic And wildly promiscuous woman

[01:52:27] During my formative years So that I'm in this fix Because of you it is your fault So that That I'm in this fix Because of you it is your fault And I just need that moment For us to build on And then Cloris Leachman says

[01:52:38] You have a solid point there But right now the lessons of my life Are coming in handy for you Which is like What the fuck What Do I need makeup No what you need right now Is a hose But like it's like What the fuck Sack nominee

[01:52:50] What sack nominee That's crazy Yeah the line about You know your low self esteem Is just starting to be like Common sense right over Right all these things Suddenly she's fucking Don Rickles Like throwing fucking curveballs at you I read A.O. Scott's review of the movie

[01:53:06] Which is really good People should read it He singles out line out of this He's like that's an extraordinarily cruel thing To say to somebody Sure And it's like When she's not a cruel What's she supposed to be Right I've got some news for you guys

[01:53:18] Two new scenes were shot when test audiences Found the ending unsatisfying So whatever the ending used to be Was even more unsatisfying Can I tell you what my guess is It was the opening and the ending I think the college admissions essay thing Was added later Sure

[01:53:35] That's my guess I could see that To put a frame around it Yeah That could be true Also this film was shot in sequence Sarah Steele gained 15 pounds For the role which is fucking bizarre Oh did you say on Mike

[01:53:48] Who or what Sandler turned down to be in this Oh please This is the way you brace yourself He turned down the role of Max Jamie Foxx's part in collateral To be in this Was 100% the choice Everyone wanted him Yeah they were like excited for like

[01:54:04] I mean probably in a similar way After seeing Punch Drunk Love For like dramatic bottled rage Adam Sandler Imagine that movie with those two I think Jamie Foxx is so good in collateral Phenomenal But it's a totally different performance From whatever Sandler would have given Yes

[01:54:19] That Leachman was going to play the cruise role Of course That's what they had She had that hair in Spanglish for the cruise role And Thomas Hayden Church was going to be Jada Pinkett At that point CAA was packaging them together It had to be Leachman and Sandler

[01:54:30] You can find a film, a script that has roles For both of them It's a go picture They were the real party in the call They were the real party in the call They were the real party in the call They were the real party in the call

[01:54:38] They were the real party in the call They were the real party in the call They were the real party in the call Foxx is They just swapped cast Yes Foxx is obviously phenomenal in collateral But he's very much playing against type in that Yes

[01:54:49] Sandler is much more the kind of obvious idea Of who the character is The thing that you would wonder is If he could pull off the transformation by the end Right When he has to kind of walk the walk Right Which Foxx can do because that's closer

[01:55:02] To his normal persona Yeah The more impressive part is him being So sort of stripped down and unassuming For the first two thirds Jamie Foxx can be steely And tough Right Sandler, I don't know if I buy that But anyway And you know I feel like

[01:55:16] This didn't really affect Sandler's career It was kind of value neutral, wasn't it? No one really cared that he Yeah, this was nothing on Sandler He had just put so much less on the line Exactly That Taylor only did He doesn't really He emerges unscathed from the story

[01:55:30] I think it just made people go Like, oh weird Okay, so conclusively People don't go see the Sandler dramedies Right They see the Happy Madison movies But if I plot them into one of these It's not going to be an automatic box of success Sure, that's true

[01:55:44] Although they didn't really advertise it with him But the poster is Do you know what the tagline for this movie is? Every family needs a hero He's the only one who's in focus And it's Adam Sandler above the title What does it mean? Every family needs a hero

[01:55:57] Yeah The poster should have been the sandwich Uh, he is not above the title He's not above the title? No actors are credited above the title The poster is both of them Sort of But it's such a weird poster It looks like the poster for Happy It does

[01:56:10] The weirdest part of the poster is that the Mexican characters Have their backs to the audience So we can't see their faces I don't understand what's weird about them And so you've got Sandler sort of standing here And then Taya's got her floppy hat Yeah

[01:56:25] Sarah Steele sort of awkwardly sandwiched there The final injustice to Taya Leone We're going to put the hat on the poster They're actually all women All the three, like, Steele Leachman and Leonie They're very religious They got the dreamers disease I tweeted something at you guys recently

[01:56:47] Of Tom Cruise and the Bucket Hat And do you have any idea? I was supposed to be writing a rap of the Golden Globe It was like 12.30 I had to find it on Amazon Find the scene and it was loading slowly Just to take a single screenshot

[01:57:00] For a stupid tweet joke I had this word You took a screenshot for that shit? I was like, how do you get this so real? I was going to say, you are better than anyone else, Richard At responding to a tweet with just an image No caption

[01:57:12] And finding just the right screen cap But I didn't realize you put that much effort into actually capping yourself In that instance I did I mean, I have the Mark Rylance Of course, save it on my Easter egg

[01:57:24] So you could shoot it off the hip at any moment Can we tell people what I got you for Christmas My Christmas present to you? Sure You got a Christmas present? I got Richard I got you one too as well I got you Ray, she's from the Resistance

[01:57:36] Oh, I got you Kylo Ren I took him Ray and Ben got a red boy Of course next year Ben's going to get Spanglish on Blu-Ray That's my present for him He's made Christmas a lot easier The price is only going up

[01:57:45] This is like kayak, there's like a graph I'm going to buy you a couple It's a good investment Okay, great One you can play They're like big coins? The other ones you can... What did you get Richard for Christmas? Jesus Christ, we've got to wrap this up

[01:57:57] Spanglish Blu-rays I got Richard for Christmas Richard has been a big, big fan of The one shot of Mark Rylans in the Ready Player One trailer Sure His whole look His whole... His whole demeanor His want of you And so for Christmas

[01:58:12] I made Richard an elf yourself video Where all the faces were Mark Rylans Oh, I saw that Yeah, it was a good Christmas present No, you called Steven Spielberg and asked him to direct an elf yourself video That's right Right, Shaba Yanash Khaminska It was all mocap

[01:58:26] Yeah, it was set to taking care of business And it featured five breakdancing It's really great, it's unnerving It is great And also they're making printers and stuff The toys they're making are very strange They're taking care of business Worth for staples Let's play the box office game

[01:58:41] And then send Richard out of the door Got to go see... Computer? We got to board the train It's Neeson season, baby We're recording this in January Spanglish Open number three at the box office on December 17th This was a big holiday movie It was a Christmas movie

[01:58:57] This Malibu summer movie Was released at Christmas Let's also make it clear Aside from Punch Drunk Love Which people went, okay But that was PTA 2-Artsy And Little Nicky Which was his only real happy mass and pan out at this point Every Sandler movie opens to between 30 and 40

[01:59:13] And ends up over 100 That's true So I think even if they thought Well, it's not going to play as big as a normal Sandler They thought it would lease He's a sure thing It opened to 8.8 million dollars A number three at the box office

[01:59:28] This is 42 on an 80 million dollar budget It made 12 foreign So total 55 So not good Number one was also a new release It's an adaptation of a children's series of books This is 2004 So it's not... Narnia's the following year Not Narnia Is it Chamber of Secrets? No

[01:59:55] Oh, oh, is it a series of unfortunate events? Number one, another somewhat disappointing Christmas release Like it did better than Spanglish Like don't get me wrong, that movie cost a ton of money It made like 150 Also one of the most expensive looking movies of all time

[02:00:09] Doesn't Meryl Streep get eaten by snakes or leeches? She gets eaten by leeches I like that movie I'm not a fan I do not like that TV show I've not watched the show Number two is a sequel That is very strange

[02:00:23] A very strange sequel to a very successful movie K20 The Widowmaker Do you know why I got that? Because I just watched it like three days ago And I couldn't get over how strange it is I hated that movie when I first saw it

[02:00:38] I thought it was so indulgent and it was just like Look at us nearly, but I kind of like it I think the Julia Roberts joke is despicable I love it I love it, but I've always wanted a movie to make that joke That's the thing

[02:00:49] I've always wanted a movie to make that joke But I was sitting there watching it I totally understand why audiences turned against this I can't believe every major critic hated it at the time There was an instant cult status, I would say for that one

[02:01:03] But yes, how much did it make? It was a hit It was a hit made 125 domestic I guess they made the third one 362 worldwide It wasn't like the kind of hit I think they wanted it to be But it was a hit It is such a strange movie

[02:01:17] I love that movie Number four is the real Christmas movie of this year Which has already made $123 million in six weeks So it came out like Thanksgiving time And it is just chugging along 2004 Not natural pressure Oscar winning director

[02:01:34] So you have an Oscar winning director, does it become an Oscar player? No It's not a spiel movie It's a children's film It's a children's film Not spiely 2004, it's a franchise or is it a one-off? One-off based on a book It's a one-off based on a book

[02:01:47] 2004, came around Thanksgiving Chugging away Chugging away I remember Because I'm remembering 2004 Thanksgiving time vividly Chugging away is a clue Polar Express Oh yeah Which opened small Open small and people were like, oh I guess Because it was crazy expensive People went like Dez Adornale

[02:02:03] And then it just kept fucking playing Polar Express baby Train kept chugging Number five is another sequel In a franchise It's a weird sequel It's a weird movie Another weird sequel Forgot this is a... Late Trinity? Yes Wow This season very vividly Jesus, Late Trinity

[02:02:21] Which was kind of a flop Yes Weird movie, Beale, Ryan Reynolds And that was when people were like Ryan Reynolds, ooh Yeah That was supposed to be his big like Coming out as an action star Right Hannibal King And they fight Dracula

[02:02:35] That's the way where Blade finally fights Dracula He's played by Prison Break Went worth Miller No, the other one Oh Big Head Dominic Purcell Correct Yeah, he's got a big old potato head He's not Dracula He plays Dracula Went worth Miller, not bad I can see that

[02:02:49] Dracula's not like a hulking But that movie contains the best Supporting actress performance of 2004 Parker Posey Correct Yeah She's good in it You're a vampire, Blade You like drinking blood So I'm gonna tie you to this chair Until you're so hungry that you need blood

[02:03:09] And you're ready to turn to a vampire And I'm gonna drop a little girl in here And you're gonna eat her, Blade That's the actual monologue she gives That's amazing Great way to end our spang with Shepas It was just two years away from her

[02:03:22] Wonderful supporting turn in Superman Yeah Oh, she's great in that crazy fucking She did a good run of heel turns In 2000s Yeah Josie and the Pussycats She doesn't speak a word Remember that? He's like six-bilt I know, it's crazy Apparently he was like old roommates

[02:03:37] With Brandon and Ralph When they were like getting started And he was like, can we cast Cal Penn He's like, does he want to be a featured extra Yeah, right, does he want to be The henchman who doesn't speak Right, right Anyway, so that's the movie

[02:03:49] The aviator opened that weekend too In 40 screens As did Millie Doll That was all baby in eight screens Yeah, the aviator was ultimately Did pretty well The first Scorsese to crack a honda Did quite well, made 102 Was very expensive But still Scorsese's never been a sentry man

[02:04:06] I know, I remember when that movie came out It did feel like a turnaround after Gaineson, New York Which like the whole narrative Was like cost so much money Didn't even make that much Didn't win any Oscars You know Thank you, Ben Some merchandise spotlight

[02:04:22] I'm gonna buy Ben the Spanglish Blu-ray Yup I love you, Ben What the bleep do we know Has almost hit 10 million dollars That's a weird run that we never talked about We should A Marley Matten vehicle What the bleep do we know

[02:04:35] I always think that GIF of the lady Like thinking of the weird Is from what the bleep do we know But it's not Is it fuck or hell I don't know I think it's supposed to be fuck What the fuck do we know But that's a central question

[02:04:47] Made audiences go back to the theater Over and over again That was revealed in a post-credits tag Didn't they also Where Marley Matlin just comes up and goes Fuck Isn't one of those movies where then it was like Huge on DVD And then they re-edited it

[02:04:59] And put new features onto it And then like did a special edition In theaters that made another couple of million dollars Yeah, sure I don't even know what it's about Yeah, they added in another job a scene I swear to God There's another release of that movie called

[02:05:11] What the bleep do we know Deeper down the rabbit hole And it's like not a sequel It's like an expanded edition That was released in theaters Yeah, I released it Blank check pictures Yeah, yeah Yeah, my troll is your What the bleep do we know

[02:05:26] To be fair, that was Blank Check Classics That was our specialty arm Blank Check Vantage Because the Esther Zolkerman film Is a four quadrant picture for us There is steel you kidding me What's in seats she puts I said unless Disney buys you

[02:05:42] And then they're going to show you down Disney is why we wear Angling for a bio Right, well at this point Disney has bought all major studios I'm assuming this episode is going to come out A little while from now So at this point

[02:05:52] It's just like Disney and like Sony Because Disney is like That works Do you know that Disney owns all I've talked about this with you Disney owns all the characters That were created for the tech cartoon show Oh yes, you have talked about me

[02:06:08] Because the tech cartoon was done for Fox And there were only 12 issues in the comic Before they got the cartoon So they're all these characters That like people constantly ask us If they're going to be on the show But Disney like won't sell the rights Because it's like

[02:06:21] It's not worth getting off the couch for them It's like Come on, 50 bucks A couple Spanglish Blu-rays 50 bucks is a lot of money I keep on sending Bob Iger Like 50 bucks on Venmo And being like just give me sewer urchin That's all I want is sewer urchin Sure

[02:06:36] And they won't do it Do you think they'd notice if you did it If you just be like If you think Disney would sort of be like Hey, that's ours Well that's why the The Warburton show they have Batman well is like

[02:06:47] They came up with all these like Workaround characters Alright, I gotta pee Richard's gotta go We're done Richard your book Out now in Hardback Yeah, all we can do is wait It's called but you don't have to wait anymore Hey Put it in those greasy mitzgas

[02:07:02] Yeah, it's a quick read It's for teenagers Give it to your teen Give it to your teen Have a teen Give it to Sarah Steele Give it to Sarah Steele in 2004 She can pass You're the best Always a pleasure It's a five time It's a five timeers club

[02:07:18] We forgot the ceremony It's a five timer It's a five timer You're wearing a nice sweater Thanks So we'll send the bathrobe To your home We have an engraved Embroidered Who else is in there? Emily By this point, Emily will be in there That's maybe it

[02:07:37] JD's at four I think he's tapping on the door I think it's just you and Emily They're doing my guess Interesting Wow You're gonna shank her at the commuter screening tonight? Yeah, that's right So by the time this airs, I'll be in jail Yes, correct Awesome

[02:07:51] By the time this episode comes out It's 2025 Yeah, exactly Mars, 2025 Mars has reopened Yes We're back baby We're gonna make it this time 2112 Thank you all for listening Please remember to rate, review, subscribe Thanks to Andrew for a good deal For our social media

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