Split

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David Blank Check with Griffin

[00:00:07] What to say or to express All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check

[00:00:20] Kevin has 23 distinct podcasts. The 24th is about to be podcasted.

[00:00:27] Here, that's right.

[00:00:30] Hello everybody. Nice to meet you. My name is Griffin Newman.

[00:00:35] David's.

[00:00:36] This is a podcast called Blank Check with Griffin and David.

[00:00:39] We are hashtag the two friends. Two friends, we host a podcast together. That's an important detail.

[00:00:45] Sure. We don't post separate podcasts.

[00:00:48] No, at one point we did.

[00:00:49] I suppose that's true, but I mean that's the past.

[00:00:52] That's the past.

[00:00:53] Yeah.

[00:00:54] Why Del?

[00:00:55] I mean it's a bad way to start a new episode, that's for sure.

[00:00:57] Probably the worst way to start a new episode.

[00:00:59] Who are we now? What are we doing?

[00:01:01] We're doing a mini series, we're doing a podcast that's usually comprised of mini series about director.

[00:01:08] We pick directors and we go through their filmographies.

[00:01:10] One film at a time, people who had massive success early on and were granted a series of blank checks by Hollywood

[00:01:15] to make their own crazy dreams, print them onto celluloid and project them into our hearts.

[00:01:22] Sometimes those checks cleared, sometimes they bounced baby.

[00:01:26] And we made a promise.

[00:01:29] We did, and this is the first time we've had to deliver on that promise, right?

[00:01:32] Yes, yes it is. We made a promise that any time a director we had previously covered a mini series, you know,

[00:01:38] book closed, put it on the shelf, mini series done.

[00:01:42] Right.

[00:01:43] Well, their careers are still going on and if they came out with a new movie, we would delve back into the pool.

[00:01:50] Drove into the pool.

[00:01:51] I'm saying delve a lot this episode.

[00:01:53] We dip our toes back into the pool.

[00:01:55] Yeah.

[00:01:56] So although next week we will be starting our next film on mini series called Pod Me If You Cast,

[00:02:01] the films of Steven Spielberg, The Dreamworks Gears.

[00:02:04] Yeah.

[00:02:05] We are now going back to our original blank checks up there.

[00:02:09] Pod Night Shyamalan.

[00:02:10] Yes.

[00:02:11] And Night Shyamalan himself and his new film Split.

[00:02:15] Split.

[00:02:16] We are recording this on January 20th, 2017, AKA the last day.

[00:02:22] Yep.

[00:02:23] It's a bummer of a day.

[00:02:25] Probably the worst one.

[00:02:27] Yeah.

[00:02:28] Of course.

[00:02:29] No jokes.

[00:02:30] No, no jokes.

[00:02:31] Woke up feeling very jittery.

[00:02:33] Yep.

[00:02:34] I've just been sort of, I don't know, very preoccupied the whole day even though I'm not doing anything with myself.

[00:02:39] Barely slept last night and before we beat around the bush, I mean we're not going to make any jokes,

[00:02:42] but let's acknowledge what happened today.

[00:02:44] I left my wallet.

[00:02:45] It was bad.

[00:02:46] It was bad.

[00:02:47] And David and I both had a feeling that was going to happen.

[00:02:49] We were restless at night.

[00:02:51] We were jittery now.

[00:02:52] We were too busy.

[00:02:53] Also, a Nazi is being sworn in for us.

[00:02:57] All right.

[00:02:58] All right.

[00:02:59] You want me to cut that out?

[00:03:01] No.

[00:03:02] Put it in and double it.

[00:03:04] Really?

[00:03:05] Yeah.

[00:03:06] That of course is the voice of...

[00:03:08] You know what I'm going to try to do actually?

[00:03:10] What are you going to try?

[00:03:11] Are we going to hit the buttons out?

[00:03:12] Don't get the buttons out.

[00:03:13] Oh god.

[00:03:14] You don't want me to...

[00:03:16] This is a spoiler for three months from now.

[00:03:20] But we got some producer Ben...

[00:03:22] We'll start to a podcast.

[00:03:23] Buttons of his nicknames and I'm going to try in the order of the buttons randomly.

[00:03:30] Yay, yay, yay.

[00:03:32] Mr. Positive?

[00:03:33] Yeah.

[00:03:34] Not Professor Crispy?

[00:03:36] Nope.

[00:03:37] Say Ben anything?

[00:03:39] Put that there and ask him if that's also...

[00:03:41] Right.

[00:03:42] Ben Night Shyamalan?

[00:03:44] Hey, there you go.

[00:03:46] Oh, I like he wrote Ben Night like it was a night, like a night of shining armor.

[00:03:50] Oh really?

[00:03:51] Yeah.

[00:03:52] Derpyk Fanny, producer Ben Kanove, producer Ben...

[00:03:56] This is not popping.

[00:03:57] Hello, Fennel.

[00:03:58] You know what?

[00:03:59] Yeah, that's fine.

[00:04:00] He's got a bunch of names.

[00:04:01] We're done with the names.

[00:04:02] He's got names.

[00:04:03] We've got buttons.

[00:04:04] And I'm here and I saw the movie too and hello.

[00:04:06] Hi.

[00:04:07] So this is, yeah, we're talking about split.

[00:04:08] That was the worst bit we've ever done.

[00:04:10] Yeah, that's actually the number one worst bit we've ever done.

[00:04:12] Yeah, fail.

[00:04:13] I didn't think it was a good idea when you started it, but it was worse than I thought it was going to be.

[00:04:17] Yeah.

[00:04:18] Well, I'll actually cut it out so no one will know what we're talking about.

[00:04:20] No, keep it in and double it.

[00:04:21] Yeah, keep it in, triple it, quadruple the...

[00:04:24] In honor of Kevin, do it 24 times.

[00:04:28] Split.

[00:04:29] Split.

[00:04:30] So M Night Shyamalan, we talked about all his movies last year and we talked about his final movie, The Visit,

[00:04:36] which came out in 2015,

[00:04:38] but we knew even at the time he was working on another movie called Split.

[00:04:42] Yes.

[00:04:43] About a guy.

[00:04:45] Well, at the time we were recorded, we had no idea what Split was about.

[00:04:48] I guess we just knew it was called Split.

[00:04:50] We knew it starred James McAvoy.

[00:04:51] And Anna Taylor Joy.

[00:04:53] And Anna Taylor Joy.

[00:04:54] And I believe we...

[00:04:56] Because you were going through how promising...

[00:04:58] I don't remember if this was on mic or off mic.

[00:05:00] We knew that it had the cinematographer from it follows.

[00:05:02] That was the thing.

[00:05:03] You were going through what promising was and you were like, oh, and it's got the...

[00:05:06] Like Jacoulas.

[00:05:07] Right.

[00:05:08] It's got the production designer, True Detective.

[00:05:09] It had all these people who were just coming off of hot, cool work and Sterling K. Brown,

[00:05:15] who has now been cut entirely out of the movie.

[00:05:17] Yeah, I wonder what he was.

[00:05:18] I heard.

[00:05:19] I'll tell you when we get to it.

[00:05:21] Cool.

[00:05:22] But it was a promising project.

[00:05:23] James McAvoy, who I think is one of our kind of underappreciated actors.

[00:05:28] I feel like we kind of take him for granted.

[00:05:30] We take him for granted because he makes a lot of mediocre to bad stuff.

[00:05:34] Yes.

[00:05:35] That doesn't mean he's not an exceptionally talented actor.

[00:05:38] He has been for a very long time.

[00:05:40] Yeah.

[00:05:41] And I grew up in Britain.

[00:05:43] I watched the month TV and things like Shameless and State of Play before he hit it big.

[00:05:48] Now, he played the Emmy Rossum role on Shameless?

[00:05:51] No, no.

[00:05:52] He played the Justin Chatman role.

[00:05:54] Okay, there we go.

[00:05:56] And then he was in whatever, the last thing in Scotland, I guess, is sort of where

[00:06:01] he started.

[00:06:02] Oh, he's in Narnia.

[00:06:03] He's in Tom Ness.

[00:06:04] He fucking owned that shit.

[00:06:06] He's great in that dog ship movie.

[00:06:08] Tom Ness is great.

[00:06:09] Yeah, they're two good performances in that movie.

[00:06:11] There are three good performances that made the rest of the movie suck.

[00:06:13] I assume Tilda's one and what's the third?

[00:06:15] Yeah, Liam Neeson has the voice of an Aslan the Lion.

[00:06:17] Yeah, I think that's bad.

[00:06:19] Neeson's good.

[00:06:20] Neeson phones in those things.

[00:06:21] Monster calls.

[00:06:22] It's the same fucking thing.

[00:06:24] Anyway.

[00:06:25] Anyway.

[00:06:26] We're like a monster.

[00:06:28] It sucks.

[00:06:29] Anyway, James McAvoy, I remember seeing Narnia and going like,

[00:06:32] who the fuck is this guy?

[00:06:33] This fawn is popping.

[00:06:35] Love this fawn.

[00:06:36] Popping off the screen.

[00:06:37] I knew the fawn.

[00:06:38] I was like, James McAvoy, I know about that guy.

[00:06:40] You couldn't be here.

[00:06:41] Following year, he plays the lead in Last King of Scotland.

[00:06:44] Sure, sure.

[00:06:45] But forced with a current of supporting performance,

[00:06:48] somewhat akin to Hannibal Lecter just sort of fucking takes over the movie.

[00:06:52] They're both leads.

[00:06:53] I mean, I mean, James McAvoy's playing the audience surrogate.

[00:06:57] Sort of the person that the movie is.

[00:07:00] The protagonist, but obviously, yeah, he is not the most interesting character in that movie.

[00:07:06] Idi Amin is the most interesting character.

[00:07:08] I mean, it's forced with her giving the performance of a lifetime

[00:07:10] and one of the most fascinating human beings who's ever existed.

[00:07:13] So it just kind of takes over the movie.

[00:07:14] And I feel like McAvoy's on track because everyone sees that movie,

[00:07:18] but he's kind of overshadowed within that film doing really solid work.

[00:07:21] But then the next year, I mean, he clocks out.

[00:07:23] He's clocking out little British things like The Coming Jane

[00:07:25] or Starter for Ten.

[00:07:26] But then the next year, he's in Atonement.

[00:07:28] Right.

[00:07:29] Then the year after that, he's in Wanted, which is a big hit.

[00:07:31] Now, that's the big one to punch because Atonement, it was like,

[00:07:34] okay, here we go, like fucking, what's his name?

[00:07:38] Joe Wright sort of felt like a guy in the up and up.

[00:07:41] Now this is his big play, big book.

[00:07:44] And it felt like it was going to be kind of an anointment for him.

[00:07:46] I feel like he gets within shooting range of a Best Act nomination.

[00:07:49] He gets a Golden Globe nod.

[00:07:51] He gets some attention.

[00:07:52] And he's good in it.

[00:07:53] I think he's very good in it.

[00:07:55] Yeah.

[00:07:56] Movie doesn't connect as well as they thought it would.

[00:07:58] It's a bunch of Oscar nominations, though, whatever.

[00:08:00] It's a well-remembered movie.

[00:08:01] And then Wanted is like...

[00:08:03] Wanted is the surprise hit.

[00:08:04] Yeah.

[00:08:05] Again, of course Angelina is kind of like the star in the advertising

[00:08:10] and maybe the most memorable thing.

[00:08:11] They push for the first.

[00:08:12] But she's definitely a supporting character in that.

[00:08:13] He is quite good in that movie.

[00:08:15] He is really going for it.

[00:08:16] Yeah.

[00:08:17] Now that's the thing I want to say about him.

[00:08:18] It's not a good movie.

[00:08:19] No, it's not a good movie.

[00:08:20] That's the thing I really respect about James McEnvoy

[00:08:23] is I don't think I've ever seen him not go for it.

[00:08:26] Right.

[00:08:27] And I think he's an actor with tremendous range.

[00:08:29] He's great.

[00:08:30] But the thing is...

[00:08:31] He's got certain movie star qualities,

[00:08:32] he's got certain character actor qualities.

[00:08:33] He's handsome.

[00:08:34] He's got character actor qualities.

[00:08:35] He's tough to slot into stuff.

[00:08:37] Very much so.

[00:08:38] He's tough.

[00:08:39] He's tough.

[00:08:40] Very much so because I don't know if there is...

[00:08:42] He's got character actor qualities,

[00:08:44] but he's not a chameleon, right?

[00:08:46] Yeah.

[00:08:47] He changes a lot for the role,

[00:08:48] but he's not someone who totally disappears.

[00:08:49] You're always aware you're watching James McEnvoy.

[00:08:51] That had been said.

[00:08:52] I don't know if there is a defining James McEnvoy

[00:08:55] star element.

[00:08:57] He's a charming little shit.

[00:08:59] Right.

[00:09:00] I mean that's how I would put him.

[00:09:02] But sometimes he plays on the softer side of that,

[00:09:05] and sometimes he plays much harder than that.

[00:09:07] But I feel like he's always doing good work.

[00:09:09] Yeah.

[00:09:10] He is.

[00:09:11] I mean obviously he gets the X-Men role,

[00:09:13] so he did three of those.

[00:09:15] I don't think anyone would claim he's the most memorable element

[00:09:19] of those movies, but he's pretty good.

[00:09:21] I will say something interesting though,

[00:09:23] because it's...

[00:09:24] That's a lot.

[00:09:25] Yeah, you're doing...

[00:09:26] David for the listener at home is doing the Professor X

[00:09:28] Hands on the Temple.

[00:09:29] Hands on the Temple.

[00:09:30] Hard thinking phase.

[00:09:31] I think he's good at those movies.

[00:09:32] He certainly doesn't break out of them.

[00:09:35] Yeah, and apart from that,

[00:09:36] he's made a lot of bad decisions.

[00:09:38] Yes, well like Victor Frankenstein and fucking...

[00:09:40] Victor Frankenstein, Trance, Filth.

[00:09:42] Yeah.

[00:09:43] Nomeo and Juliet.

[00:09:44] Yeah.

[00:09:45] Arthur Christmas.

[00:09:46] Yeah.

[00:09:47] What else he got?

[00:09:48] The conspirator.

[00:09:49] I'll say I've seen most of those that you've listed,

[00:09:52] not all of them,

[00:09:53] and I still have yet to see him be bad.

[00:09:55] I got no beef with him.

[00:09:57] I just...

[00:09:58] I like him a lot,

[00:10:00] but I went to...

[00:10:02] Bragg, Bragg,

[00:10:04] the premiere of Two X Menago.

[00:10:07] I went to the Days of Future Past premiere.

[00:10:10] And I got to go to the after party

[00:10:12] and then I went to the after party and...

[00:10:14] Right?

[00:10:15] But I was in this room.

[00:10:16] I spent most of the night in rooms with the entire cast

[00:10:19] of Days of Future Past,

[00:10:20] which is like one of the craziest casts of all time.

[00:10:22] Big cast, big cast.

[00:10:23] And ended up at the New York apartment,

[00:10:26] a large New York apartment,

[00:10:27] but not like a party space,

[00:10:28] a New York apartment where the after-party was happening.

[00:10:30] Uh huh.

[00:10:31] And rode in an elevator with James McAvoy

[00:10:33] and Michael Fassbender.

[00:10:34] And Michael Fassbender, who has always,

[00:10:36] for like the last decade, been tapped as like,

[00:10:38] this is the guy,

[00:10:40] this is the guy,

[00:10:41] he's got the thing.

[00:10:42] Yep, an Irishman.

[00:10:43] Right.

[00:10:45] And, uh,

[00:10:46] McAvoy Scottish.

[00:10:47] I was in the elevator with the two of them

[00:10:50] and Fassbender was just sort of standing there

[00:10:52] and I was like,

[00:10:53] good looking guy,

[00:10:54] good actor, whatever.

[00:10:55] But McAvoy was just like the most magnetic.

[00:10:58] He's very lovely.

[00:11:00] And then I was like,

[00:11:01] in this party with my dad

[00:11:03] and we kept on walking around

[00:11:04] and being like,

[00:11:05] that McAvoy guy,

[00:11:06] there's just like something about...

[00:11:07] We didn't talk to him the whole night,

[00:11:08] but in this room we're like,

[00:11:10] you know, fucking Jennifer Lawrence

[00:11:11] and like whoever we're all walking around.

[00:11:13] McAvoy was the guy who was like shining the brightest

[00:11:16] and it was like, there's something to this guy.

[00:11:18] Okay, all right, I'm shutting you off.

[00:11:19] There's some fact,

[00:11:20] that's the last thing I want to say about him.

[00:11:21] Okay, okay.

[00:11:22] This film was originally announced with Joaquin Phoenix in the lead.

[00:11:24] That would have been a different movie.

[00:11:26] Yep.

[00:11:27] But yes, of course Joaquin,

[00:11:28] who worked with M. Night on Signs

[00:11:30] and The Village.

[00:11:31] Correct.

[00:11:32] So they had a history.

[00:11:33] At one point seemed to be his guy.

[00:11:34] And you know,

[00:11:35] Joaquin these days doesn't make a lot of movies.

[00:11:37] He mostly works with very serious auteur

[00:11:39] so it might have been interesting to see him

[00:11:41] because you know, in my opinion Joaquin is like a super hammy actor.

[00:11:44] You think he's a ham sandwich?

[00:11:46] He's the king of ham sandwiches

[00:11:47] and it might have been interesting to see him go play

[00:11:51] a very hammy role in a very schlocky movie

[00:11:54] with an old director he knows.

[00:11:57] He didn't do it.

[00:12:00] He drops out late.

[00:12:01] Do we know why?

[00:12:02] Was he making another movie?

[00:12:03] So I watched an interview with Shyamalan last night

[00:12:06] that revealed a lot of the questions

[00:12:07] I think we're going to have

[00:12:08] but one of the things he said was that

[00:12:10] he wrote this script, delivered it

[00:12:13] I think to Jason Blum at Blumhouse

[00:12:15] who also produced the visit.

[00:12:16] Yes, who is Shyamalan's new buddy.

[00:12:18] Right.

[00:12:19] And said like, I want to make this.

[00:12:20] It's a small budget.

[00:12:21] It's only $10 million.

[00:12:22] And the movie was set up

[00:12:23] and they were going to start filming in like three months.

[00:12:26] He said it was like 12 or 15 weeks before

[00:12:28] between when he delivered the script

[00:12:30] and when they started filming.

[00:12:31] And so at the moment he had the script

[00:12:33] and he went to Joaquin Phoenix.

[00:12:34] Joaquin Phoenix was down

[00:12:36] and then another movie that Joaquin Phoenix was a part of

[00:12:39] got delayed or pushed up or whatever it was.

[00:12:41] And so they had a very limited window to find someone

[00:12:44] and James McAvoy had previously been unavailable

[00:12:46] and now was available.

[00:12:47] Well, Joaquin Phoenix is new.

[00:12:50] Two features this year coming up.

[00:12:52] He's making a movie with Lynn Ramsey

[00:12:54] which is very exciting.

[00:12:56] Really exciting.

[00:12:57] You were never really here

[00:12:58] based on a Jonathan Ames novella.

[00:13:00] Okay.

[00:13:01] With Alessandro Nebola.

[00:13:03] Who knows?

[00:13:04] Who knows with that?

[00:13:05] But Lynn Ramsey is always an exciting director.

[00:13:06] Yeah.

[00:13:07] And he's making a Mary Magdalene biopic

[00:13:10] with Garth Davis, the director of Lines.

[00:13:12] Oh, and Rooney Mara.

[00:13:13] Starring Rooney Mara as Mary Magdalene

[00:13:15] and he is playing Jesus Christ.

[00:13:17] Yeah.

[00:13:18] So here's a fun thing.

[00:13:19] Jesus Christ.

[00:13:20] Have you heard that apparently...

[00:13:21] She would tell Egeophore?

[00:13:22] Peter.

[00:13:23] Have you heard that apparently

[00:13:24] Rooney Mara and Joaquin Phoenix are dating now?

[00:13:26] Yeah, I heard that they were like

[00:13:28] hanging out in like a colonic clinic or something.

[00:13:31] Like they're getting their butts evacuated together.

[00:13:33] After they met playing Jesus and Mary Magdalene.

[00:13:35] Pretty weird.

[00:13:36] Yep.

[00:13:37] Anyhow.

[00:13:38] So Joaquin, so long Joaquin.

[00:13:40] So long.

[00:13:41] Here comes...

[00:13:42] Mechavoy.

[00:13:43] Strangely charismatic James McEvoy.

[00:13:46] And let's just get ready in this movie.

[00:13:49] Okay, so we're going to talk

[00:13:50] fucking spoilers like crazy.

[00:13:52] Yeah, we're going to spoil this movie

[00:13:54] and I want to be very clear to everyone listening

[00:13:56] if you have any interest in seeing Split,

[00:13:59] go see Split because the twists

[00:14:02] are genuinely worth experiencing on Split.

[00:14:05] I would say, I mean even if you're someone

[00:14:07] who thinks you like spoilers...

[00:14:09] You don't trust me.

[00:14:10] Put it this way, if you really are into

[00:14:12] M. Night Shyamalan's Uvra,

[00:14:14] go see this movie without having spoiled.

[00:14:17] That's all.

[00:14:18] I'm wrestling with this movie in a major way.

[00:14:20] Okay?

[00:14:21] But one thing I can say without any qualification

[00:14:24] and I give the movie credit for this

[00:14:27] is I had no idea where it was going.

[00:14:30] Same.

[00:14:31] I was sitting there in the theater

[00:14:32] and I went this is kind of thrilling

[00:14:34] that I don't feel like I can call this movie shots.

[00:14:36] Interesting.

[00:14:37] And sometimes even I'm watching the movie

[00:14:38] and I'm going, okay, either this or this is going to happen.

[00:14:40] Like it's clear one of two things is going to happen.

[00:14:42] I was watching it with no sense of a roadmap.

[00:14:45] The trailers even only really show you stuff

[00:14:48] in the first 30 minutes.

[00:14:49] Basically, yeah, very much so.

[00:14:51] And just the whole way the film is plotted

[00:14:53] it's very...

[00:14:55] It's unexpected in its construction

[00:14:58] and its events.

[00:15:00] Totally agreed.

[00:15:02] So seriously ding ding ding

[00:15:04] we're going to talk about spoilers

[00:15:06] maybe not like the second after I finish the sentence

[00:15:08] but just if you want to see the movie

[00:15:11] go see the movie.

[00:15:12] It's in theaters.

[00:15:13] Okay, it's a sequel to Unbreakable.

[00:15:14] So what the fuck?

[00:15:22] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:15:24] It's a sequel to the film Unbreakable.

[00:15:28] Unbreakable.

[00:15:31] You got that, Benny?

[00:15:33] Yeah, Unbreakable.

[00:15:35] Yeah, I got it.

[00:15:36] I'm glad we called that back.

[00:15:38] You have to dig that midi up.

[00:15:41] Finger.

[00:15:42] What?

[00:15:43] Alright, let's...

[00:15:44] Finger.

[00:15:45] Let's get back to the movie.

[00:15:47] So let's start from the beginning

[00:15:49] and I'll talk about the Unbreakable stuff until we get to it.

[00:15:51] Okay.

[00:15:52] Sorry.

[00:15:53] So, so, I, you know,

[00:15:55] huge asterisk we need to talk about

[00:15:57] before we dig into the film proper

[00:15:59] because I was certainly watching it through this prism, okay?

[00:16:02] What prism?

[00:16:03] There's been a lot of hanging ringing about whether or not

[00:16:05] this movie is offensive.

[00:16:06] Yeah, whether or not it is hashtag

[00:16:08] problematic.

[00:16:09] Right.

[00:16:10] Does it depict mental illness

[00:16:12] in a good way or a bad way?

[00:16:14] Right.

[00:16:15] You might detect a hint of sarcasm

[00:16:18] or cynicism to my tone here.

[00:16:20] Right, so here's the quick answer.

[00:16:21] Bad way.

[00:16:22] So what?

[00:16:23] It's a schlocky genre movie.

[00:16:26] Anyone who's coming in here thinking this is an

[00:16:28] accurate portrayal of disassociative identity disorder,

[00:16:32] I don't know what to tell you.

[00:16:34] You probably already thought that that's what this was like.

[00:16:37] Right?

[00:16:38] I mean, yeah, yeah, okay.

[00:16:40] Come on man, come on.

[00:16:42] This is the second in what appears to be a trilogy

[00:16:45] of M. Night Shyamalan making low budget horror films about...

[00:16:48] Low budget horror films about

[00:16:49] invented mental illnesses essentially.

[00:16:51] Right, like he's taking...

[00:16:53] Like, where he's taking some germ of a real mental illness?

[00:16:55] Right.

[00:16:56] Maybe, but then completely inventing whole cloth symptoms

[00:17:00] and behaviors that don't exist.

[00:17:02] Heightening it to some insane degree.

[00:17:04] Yeah, it's interesting that that might happen in like...

[00:17:07] I mean, we used to talk about M. Night Shyamalan

[00:17:09] claiming he made B movies, you know,

[00:17:11] and we were like, what the fuck are you talking about?

[00:17:12] He's actually making B movies.

[00:17:13] But now he is making B movies.

[00:17:15] He's making movies for small budgets with Jason Blum,

[00:17:17] the king of the small budget horror movie.

[00:17:19] Yeah.

[00:17:20] And you know, yeah, he is now officially playing in that pool.

[00:17:24] Like a movie like Signs that costs 80 million bucks

[00:17:26] and is, you know, a thoughtful meditation on Catholicism.

[00:17:30] That's not a B movie, my friend.

[00:17:31] No, absolutely not.

[00:17:32] But nor is the sixth sense.

[00:17:34] It's a small ghost story maybe, but it's not a B movie.

[00:17:36] And he's dropped his A movie pretensions,

[00:17:38] which I wholeheartedly admire and respect.

[00:17:42] I agree.

[00:17:43] What he hasn't dropped, however,

[00:17:45] is his senses of visual storyteller

[00:17:47] and his like, you know, next level grasp of cinema

[00:17:52] that is often missing from say, a Blum House movie.

[00:17:55] No offense to the Blum House movies.

[00:17:58] But a lot of times these things look like, you know,

[00:18:00] disturbed videos, you know, and like this doesn't.

[00:18:03] I mean at the day that we are recording this,

[00:18:05] January 20th, America's death,

[00:18:07] we have pretty much finished,

[00:18:12] I mean, we're three movies away,

[00:18:13] I think, from finishing our Steven Spielberg many series.

[00:18:15] Uh-huh.

[00:18:16] We had to bank it up in advance,

[00:18:18] which is gonna be a lot of fun for you folks

[00:18:19] to listen to because it's wildly out of order.

[00:18:22] But we had to back it up in advance before I start filming

[00:18:25] in the spring so that the show can continue

[00:18:27] without interruption.

[00:18:28] Humble break.

[00:18:29] Humble break.

[00:18:30] But a thing that we've been talking about a lot

[00:18:31] is that like, no one is more effective

[00:18:34] at using the camera to make you feel

[00:18:36] what he wants you to feel than Steven Spielberg.

[00:18:38] He's good at it.

[00:18:39] Now Shyamalan is not...

[00:18:41] A devotee of Spielberg.

[00:18:42] Uh-huh.

[00:18:43] You know, as he would, I'm sure, say.

[00:18:44] Right.

[00:18:45] At his best has similar strengths.

[00:18:47] That's what really put him on the map is like,

[00:18:49] oh, this guy has a really expressive camera,

[00:18:51] a really expressive visual sense.

[00:18:53] He can create these moments of tension better than anyone.

[00:18:55] You know, he can ratchet it up.

[00:18:56] Yeah.

[00:18:57] And for a while, he was muddying those abilities

[00:19:02] in like, pretensions and loftier sort of like, you know...

[00:19:08] He wasn't giving us a straight shot.

[00:19:10] Right.

[00:19:12] And now he's back to like,

[00:19:14] I want to make the audience feel shit.

[00:19:15] Right.

[00:19:16] And part of that is, he's a schlockmeister now

[00:19:18] and he wants to make them, I think, feel uneasy,

[00:19:21] not just in terms of tension,

[00:19:23] but also in terms of the subject matter that he's playing with.

[00:19:25] Yeah.

[00:19:26] I mean, he's playing with fire in this movie.

[00:19:29] Now, DID is like this hotly contested issue

[00:19:33] within psychiatric convenience.

[00:19:34] The very idea of it is contested.

[00:19:36] Like, the very idea that it exists is contested.

[00:19:38] You know, or like how it manifests

[00:19:40] or what it means or whether it's its own disorder

[00:19:44] or it's like other disorders sort of collected together or...

[00:19:47] That's the thing.

[00:19:48] It's sort of this umbrella

[00:19:49] and the cases don't really line up with each other,

[00:19:52] the causes, the reaction.

[00:19:53] I mean, I'm not going to do WebMD here.

[00:19:57] But like, the point is,

[00:19:59] it's a gray area within like the psychiatric community

[00:20:03] to begin with.

[00:20:04] Right.

[00:20:05] And then M. Night is taking...

[00:20:06] Like...

[00:20:07] M. Night is taking Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

[00:20:08] Yes.

[00:20:09] M. Night is taking the long-standing gothic

[00:20:11] slash genre slash fantasy obsession with multiple personalities.

[00:20:16] Sure.

[00:20:17] And, you know, whatever, inflating it, you know, right?

[00:20:20] I mean...

[00:20:21] But...

[00:20:22] Yes.

[00:20:23] He's also doing a movie in which they reference

[00:20:25] disassociative identity disorder a lot,

[00:20:27] talk about it as an actual diagnosable condition.

[00:20:30] In the same way that in the visit,

[00:20:32] they talk about sundowning as if it's like a real thing

[00:20:35] that happens in this way.

[00:20:37] But this movie even more so.

[00:20:38] In the second lead of the movie,

[00:20:39] the third lead of the movie is his therapist.

[00:20:41] Yeah.

[00:20:42] And there are a lot of scenes of her on her own

[00:20:44] trying to figure out his condition.

[00:20:45] Although two...

[00:20:46] And they use the proper name.

[00:20:47] To the movie's credit,

[00:20:48] the therapist is in the movie presented as

[00:20:52] not well respected by her colleagues.

[00:20:55] No, everyone questions her.

[00:20:56] Everyone questions her.

[00:20:57] She like, you know, she can't get like a panel discussion

[00:21:00] at the, you know, conferences about, you know,

[00:21:05] mental health and things like that.

[00:21:06] Sure.

[00:21:07] She's basically regarded as sort of like a...

[00:21:10] an outside the, you know,

[00:21:12] like sort of like a theoretician at best.

[00:21:14] You know, like someone who they ask questions of,

[00:21:16] but they do not allow to present.

[00:21:18] And for a psychological condition

[00:21:20] that is already a bit of a moving target,

[00:21:23] she's presenting theories that are far outside

[00:21:25] of the range of where anyone else is shooting.

[00:21:27] And they keep on saying like,

[00:21:28] there's no precedent for that.

[00:21:29] There's no proof of that.

[00:21:30] Where's your evidence?

[00:21:31] And she's like dog, dog.

[00:21:32] And they're like, okay, okay.

[00:21:34] I was watching this and it does, you know,

[00:21:36] like the thing this is closest to is like, you know,

[00:21:39] Samuel Fuller or like Brian De Palma.

[00:21:41] Sure, exactly.

[00:21:42] Brian De Palma is a good example.

[00:21:43] With like really, it's like Tempest in a teapot.

[00:21:46] Like let's fucking rile them up.

[00:21:48] I mean, you see a movie like Dress to Kill.

[00:21:50] Yes.

[00:21:51] And, you know, now you watch that movie

[00:21:53] and you're like, oh, this is horrifyingly offensive.

[00:21:55] Right.

[00:21:56] Even at the time, I think people were like,

[00:21:58] oh, you know, come on.

[00:21:59] But he's just borrowing from Hitchcock

[00:22:01] and people like that who again,

[00:22:03] they would take some germ of realism.

[00:22:06] Right.

[00:22:07] And like, oh, you know, he's a cross-dressing

[00:22:09] because he's obsessed with his mother.

[00:22:11] That's why, you know, it's like,

[00:22:12] it's all narrative fiction imposed on like one little bit.

[00:22:16] You know, like Alfred Hitchcock who'd edgine

[00:22:18] like who'd skin people and turns that into psycho,

[00:22:21] which has nothing to do with edgine.

[00:22:22] But you know, it like, they can then say,

[00:22:24] oh, it's based in real, in real fact.

[00:22:26] But there's a difference between loosely basing something

[00:22:29] off of a person and their actions

[00:22:32] versus basing something off of a condition.

[00:22:35] Okay, all right.

[00:22:36] And it's psychiatric like, you know,

[00:22:38] classification for a type of person.

[00:22:41] But it's...

[00:22:42] No, because I think this is all important to talk about.

[00:22:44] I mean, we're not going to be able to talk about the movie

[00:22:46] without talking about this.

[00:22:47] I was sitting there the whole time and I'm thinking like,

[00:22:51] how would I respond to this movie if I was watching it

[00:22:53] and someone was like, hey, you want to see this crazy movie

[00:22:55] that was made in 1982?

[00:22:57] Yeah, sure.

[00:22:58] You know, if it was like...

[00:22:59] You were seeing Sisters by the Bullfile or whatever.

[00:23:01] Right, and I'd be like, this is insane.

[00:23:03] This is obviously offensive.

[00:23:05] This movie feels irresponsible.

[00:23:07] You could never make this today.

[00:23:08] You have to view it for what it is, right?

[00:23:11] But watching it today in 2017, when I feel like as a country,

[00:23:16] I mean the world at large, but also especially our country,

[00:23:18] which has always been so sort of puritanical,

[00:23:20] is finally having, like starting to have

[00:23:23] a progressive productive conversation about mental illness.

[00:23:28] It's made me a little uncomfortable

[00:23:30] watching this fucking movie.

[00:23:32] It made me uncomfortable just because they keep on using

[00:23:35] the real name of a real disorder,

[00:23:37] and it's not like that's a disorder.

[00:23:39] They use the real name.

[00:23:40] They're not just saying like, this guy has 24 personalities.

[00:23:43] They're going like, DID, DID, DID, DID.

[00:23:46] Which it's like, well it's not like there are

[00:23:49] other positive representations of DID in the media.

[00:23:51] There was three seasons of United States of Tara.

[00:23:53] There was, right?

[00:23:54] And this, like that's it.

[00:23:56] So you just imagine like, you know...

[00:23:58] Oh, also multiplicity.

[00:24:00] And multiplicity, right.

[00:24:01] That was cloning my friends.

[00:24:03] Oh, okay.

[00:24:04] Not the same.

[00:24:05] Not the same.

[00:24:07] I kept on watching this movie and because he plays so fast

[00:24:10] and loose with what this guy is...

[00:24:13] Yeah, this is science fiction.

[00:24:15] This film is science fiction.

[00:24:16] Right.

[00:24:17] I kept on, and because the doctor is portrayed...

[00:24:19] And like, I mean that literally.

[00:24:20] It is science fiction.

[00:24:21] Yes, it is.

[00:24:22] It takes bits of science and yeah,

[00:24:24] makes up fantasy about it.

[00:24:25] Yeah.

[00:24:26] Because the doctor is portrayed as being kind of a quack.

[00:24:29] Yeah, I mean, my thing was my brother...

[00:24:31] I'm not telling you about this, put it in the

[00:24:33] classic genre of all horror movies where it's like,

[00:24:35] you meet the doctor or the expert and they're smoking a pipe

[00:24:38] and they're like, yes no, it's very interesting

[00:24:40] his condition.

[00:24:41] I've decided to do nothing about it

[00:24:43] and see what happens.

[00:24:44] You know, that's sort of like,

[00:24:45] hmm, yes, yes, yes.

[00:24:46] Well, you know, the interesting thing about him

[00:24:48] is he may go mad, but I'm waiting

[00:24:50] and seeing on this one.

[00:24:51] Yeah, I mean...

[00:24:52] And then six scenes later there's a knife

[00:24:54] in the air back or whatever.

[00:24:55] Good joke, five comedy points for Joey.

[00:24:57] Uh-huh.

[00:24:58] It's definitely in that tradition

[00:25:00] because she sort of seems unreliable

[00:25:04] because everyone around her in the community

[00:25:06] is saying like, this is impossible.

[00:25:08] Right, right, right.

[00:25:09] I was waiting for the movie, knowing it's

[00:25:11] Shyamalan...

[00:25:12] You thought the movie was going to then double

[00:25:13] back around and be like, yeah,

[00:25:15] like that's not what this is.

[00:25:16] Yeah.

[00:25:17] Uh-huh.

[00:25:18] Yes, I thought the movie was going to reveal

[00:25:19] itself to be about a misdiagnosis.

[00:25:22] Yeah, well here's where...

[00:25:24] So basically, I'm being a bit of a snark right now

[00:25:27] but I was with you in a lot of ways.

[00:25:30] And I'll say I was hoping for that.

[00:25:31] Like, I wanted that.

[00:25:33] I didn't really care.

[00:25:34] But I mean, I was more just sort of thinking

[00:25:36] like, this is classic Shyamalan

[00:25:38] and I remind you again,

[00:25:39] like Psycho literally ends with

[00:25:41] a psychiatrist delivering like a monologue

[00:25:43] about like what happened.

[00:25:44] Right, and this movie is like an

[00:25:46] that monologue stretched out to two.

[00:25:48] Right, they kind of just parcel that

[00:25:50] out through the movie.

[00:25:51] But of course what the movie is really doing

[00:25:53] is like, it's world building.

[00:25:55] It's like establishing the weird parameters

[00:25:57] of this, you know, this guy.

[00:25:59] Like, he's got 23 personalities.

[00:26:02] Like, one is dominant and like a couple

[00:26:04] are very bad and like they're sort

[00:26:06] of been exiled and like there's

[00:26:08] this idea of holding the light.

[00:26:09] You know, people like, you know,

[00:26:10] one personality at a time but they're

[00:26:12] all conferencing with each other.

[00:26:13] This is all right.

[00:26:14] All this info is being parceled out.

[00:26:16] Yeah.

[00:26:17] And then, you know, at the end

[00:26:18] of the movie, I realized like this 24th

[00:26:20] personality is just animals.

[00:26:22] Is every animal and one at the same time?

[00:26:24] Okay.

[00:26:25] And I'm just going to skip right ahead.

[00:26:29] We can talk about the movie, but I'm going

[00:26:31] to skip right ahead to the end because

[00:26:32] that's what this conversation we're

[00:26:34] having is about.

[00:26:35] Sure, because it totally

[00:26:36] recontextualizes the whole movie.

[00:26:38] That's what I'm getting to.

[00:26:39] Okay, so you know, so the first

[00:26:41] twist which involves on

[00:26:43] Neatay LeJoy's character and the fact

[00:26:44] that she suffered abuse and is

[00:26:46] in her own way, mentally ill.

[00:26:48] You know, she...

[00:26:49] You don't want to go through the movie

[00:26:50] and get to this?

[00:26:51] No, I'm getting this now and then

[00:26:52] we'll get to that.

[00:26:53] Okay.

[00:26:54] No, but you're talking about the

[00:26:55] problematic elements of this movie

[00:26:56] and this is where it is problematic.

[00:26:57] I agree.

[00:26:58] In my opinion, it's not the DID

[00:26:59] stuff, it's that part.

[00:27:00] I think both are problematic.

[00:27:01] Sure, fine, but like that's where

[00:27:02] I was like, you know, I had been

[00:27:04] warned by people who'd seen the

[00:27:06] movie already like, ah, there is

[00:27:08] this one twist at the end that

[00:27:10] is kind of offensive.

[00:27:11] And I was like about the DID,

[00:27:13] you know, about the multiple

[00:27:14] personalities and they were like,

[00:27:15] no.

[00:27:16] You know, and I was like, oh.

[00:27:17] He's bringing other stuff into the

[00:27:18] timeline.

[00:27:19] Right, I see this and I believe

[00:27:20] I put it on Twitter.

[00:27:21] It's a little too much paprika in

[00:27:22] the sandwich to reference the

[00:27:24] movie split in which he puts a

[00:27:26] lot of paprika in the sandwich.

[00:27:27] Sure, that'll add it.

[00:27:29] Yeah, okay.

[00:27:30] Exactly.

[00:27:31] You know, you're like, you know,

[00:27:32] classic Shaman.

[00:27:33] He's gone a little too far.

[00:27:34] This is...

[00:27:35] He's tying it up too neatly.

[00:27:36] This doesn't totally track for

[00:27:38] me.

[00:27:39] You know, the thing where the

[00:27:40] beast is like, ah, you're like

[00:27:41] me.

[00:27:42] Yeah.

[00:27:43] You know, we're the real ones and

[00:27:44] ah, you know, and you're like,

[00:27:45] okay.

[00:27:46] And then comes the twist we

[00:27:47] discussed.

[00:27:48] Right.

[00:27:49] This is a sequel to Unbreakable.

[00:27:51] And this is a comic book and he's

[00:27:53] a comic book villain.

[00:27:54] Right.

[00:27:55] And then I'm like, I love this

[00:27:56] movie!

[00:27:57] And I'm walking out and saying

[00:27:58] this is the best and I'm so

[00:27:59] happy because that's a fucking

[00:28:00] comic book villain.

[00:28:01] Correct.

[00:28:02] That's what that is.

[00:28:03] Correct.

[00:28:04] Where it's like they have weird

[00:28:05] rules and they have some bizarre

[00:28:06] like, you know, you know,

[00:28:07] you know, you know, you know

[00:28:08] you're like, oh, okay.

[00:28:09] And then comes the twist we

[00:28:10] discussed.

[00:28:11] Right.

[00:28:12] And then comes the twist we

[00:28:13] discussed.

[00:28:14] Like, you know, Unitary Goal and

[00:28:16] his rules are as dumb as any

[00:28:18] other comic book villain rules.

[00:28:19] He's like Ultron or whatever.

[00:28:20] It's a fucking hilarious

[00:28:22] comic book villain.

[00:28:24] Right.

[00:28:25] And most comic book villains

[00:28:27] are mentally ill.

[00:28:28] Yes!

[00:28:29] Indeed.

[00:28:30] In actual diagnosis.

[00:28:31] Well, often they do have one

[00:28:32] especially these days.

[00:28:33] Yeah, yeah.

[00:28:34] I mean, very often they're

[00:28:35] either a doctor who went mad

[00:28:36] or a petition who got powerful.

[00:28:37] There's a lot of people who

[00:28:38] are quote unquote mad in

[00:28:40] comic books.

[00:28:41] Now it's like they're whatever,

[00:28:43] you know, they're mentally ill.

[00:28:44] Yeah.

[00:28:45] Back in the day it was more

[00:28:46] just like he's mad, he's a mad

[00:28:47] scientist, he's a mad professor,

[00:28:48] whatever.

[00:28:49] Right.

[00:28:50] And so then I'm like, oh, okay,

[00:28:52] okay, okay.

[00:28:53] And I bought in, I guess, is the

[00:28:55] way to put it.

[00:28:57] I mean, it left me with a lot

[00:28:58] more questions.

[00:28:59] Let's go through the part of

[00:29:00] film and we'll get to it.

[00:29:01] All right.

[00:29:02] Okay.

[00:29:03] Great movie.

[00:29:04] Forgetting this stuff, I

[00:29:05] mean, I just mean like,

[00:29:06] yeah, the movie in general as

[00:29:07] it goes along, especially

[00:29:08] those opening scenes and, you

[00:29:10] know, whatever.

[00:29:11] I mean, I walked out of the

[00:29:12] movie, Ben and I talked about it

[00:29:13] for like 45 minutes.

[00:29:14] I had a really hard time like

[00:29:16] untangling it.

[00:29:17] Ben, I think is it fair to say

[00:29:19] I was kind of manic after the

[00:29:21] movie ended?

[00:29:22] Yeah, you made extremely manic

[00:29:24] too.

[00:29:25] You made me stay with you in

[00:29:26] the theater like for a while.

[00:29:28] Yeah, I like couldn't move.

[00:29:29] I was uncomfortable.

[00:29:30] I was like just trying to

[00:29:31] untangle everything I had

[00:29:32] watched.

[00:29:33] Meanwhile, there's like the

[00:29:34] movie theater employees like

[00:29:35] cleaning up around us.

[00:29:37] Yeah.

[00:29:38] Oh, you like didn't even

[00:29:39] leave the theater.

[00:29:40] No.

[00:29:41] Wow.

[00:29:42] And then once we left, I like

[00:29:43] was like, I could get on the

[00:29:44] train right here on the corner.

[00:29:45] I could walk for another 20

[00:29:46] blocks and we walked for 20

[00:29:48] blocks to like two stations

[00:29:50] away just talking about it.

[00:29:52] And then I went, I saw John

[00:29:55] Trowbridge, a past guest of the

[00:29:57] show.

[00:29:58] Past guest?

[00:29:59] Friend of the show.

[00:30:00] Yes.

[00:30:01] From the Dena invasion

[00:30:02] episode who listens to

[00:30:03] podcast and knows how first

[00:30:04] we are in Shyamalan and

[00:30:05] all of it.

[00:30:06] Right.

[00:30:07] I had got and a couple

[00:30:08] of people who had seen it

[00:30:09] being very excited for you guys

[00:30:10] to see this.

[00:30:11] Yes.

[00:30:12] Right.

[00:30:13] So I was supposed to do his

[00:30:15] stand-up show last night and

[00:30:16] then the show ended early and I

[00:30:18] ran late because of post-split

[00:30:19] talk.

[00:30:20] It was a perfect storm of the

[00:30:21] two things.

[00:30:22] So I got there after the show

[00:30:23] would end it and I just

[00:30:24] talking to him for a little

[00:30:25] bit.

[00:30:26] And he was like, what?

[00:30:27] You went to see a movie

[00:30:28] tonight, right?

[00:30:29] What did you see?

[00:30:30] And I was like, I saw

[00:30:31] the new Shyamalan.

[00:30:32] He was like, oh man, I

[00:30:33] can't wait to hear what you

[00:30:34] think.

[00:30:35] And I was like, I actually

[00:30:36] don't know.

[00:30:37] I can't remember the last time

[00:30:38] I was this uncertain how I

[00:30:40] felt about a movie.

[00:30:41] That's so interesting because

[00:30:42] for me, it's the first time

[00:30:44] for sure that I have seen a

[00:30:46] Shyamalan movie where the

[00:30:48] twist sold me on the movie.

[00:30:51] Like without a doubt, that's

[00:30:53] the first time that's ever

[00:30:54] happened.

[00:30:55] There's no Shyamalan twist

[00:30:56] that ever sold me on the

[00:30:57] movie before.

[00:30:58] The only like Shyamalan

[00:30:59] twist I really love apart from

[00:31:00] this one is the sixth

[00:31:02] sense and that doesn't like

[00:31:04] I'm already into the movie.

[00:31:05] You know.

[00:31:06] Yeah, it makes the movie better.

[00:31:07] It does, but it's not like where

[00:31:08] I was kind of like, I'm not

[00:31:10] sure how I feel about this and

[00:31:11] then I see the twist and I'm

[00:31:12] like, oh, it makes sense.

[00:31:13] Great.

[00:31:14] You know, like.

[00:31:15] And also, yeah, like the sixth

[00:31:16] sense is already like a three,

[00:31:17] three and a half star movie

[00:31:18] even if you cut the twist

[00:31:19] ending up.

[00:31:20] If it just ends with

[00:31:21] he's helped the boy, the

[00:31:22] boy's happy now.

[00:31:23] You know?

[00:31:24] Yeah.

[00:31:25] If sixth sense ends with the

[00:31:26] scene in the car with Tony

[00:31:27] Collette.

[00:31:28] Right.

[00:31:29] That movie still.

[00:31:30] You're like, good.

[00:31:31] That was an interesting little

[00:31:32] ghost story about a boy who

[00:31:33] could talk to ghosts.

[00:31:34] Right.

[00:31:35] Question though.

[00:31:36] This movie, I don't feel like

[00:31:38] it's it's like sixth sense

[00:31:40] in that you need to rewatch it

[00:31:42] and have like a new perspective

[00:31:43] on it necessarily.

[00:31:44] No, because the twist is

[00:31:47] more thematic than it is about

[00:31:49] the plot that you've been

[00:31:50] watching.

[00:31:51] Right.

[00:31:52] Although I think if you

[00:31:53] rewatch it, you would notice

[00:31:54] little things like he talks

[00:31:55] about how many teeth tigers

[00:31:56] have and like things like

[00:31:57] that.

[00:31:58] Little clues about like where

[00:31:59] they are and you know

[00:32:00] what what his past is.

[00:32:01] Yes.

[00:32:02] And sixth sense is a magic trick

[00:32:03] movie.

[00:32:04] So then part of.

[00:32:05] Right.

[00:32:06] Proud are we watching the sixth

[00:32:07] sense is just watching the

[00:32:08] magic.

[00:32:09] The artistry is just seeing how

[00:32:10] they pulled it over on you.

[00:32:11] You can now see the lines,

[00:32:12] you know, the blocking tape

[00:32:13] on the on the stage,

[00:32:14] but you're kind of amazed

[00:32:15] that it's all that it all

[00:32:16] worked.

[00:32:17] It's the montage where

[00:32:18] they explain how the heist

[00:32:19] happened after the fact.

[00:32:20] And so like that's the

[00:32:21] thrill of watching sixth

[00:32:22] sense is this high wire act

[00:32:23] and being like, oh man,

[00:32:24] he didn't fuck it up.

[00:32:25] It actually all tracks.

[00:32:26] This movie, I certainly

[00:32:28] feel the need to see a

[00:32:29] second time just to reconcile

[00:32:30] with what the fuck it is.

[00:32:33] But OK, let's let's let's

[00:32:35] let's just try to fucking go

[00:32:36] through this thing.

[00:32:37] Sure.

[00:32:38] Split begins with three kids

[00:32:41] played by Ani Taylor Joy

[00:32:43] as Casey.

[00:32:45] Haley Lou Richardson, who is

[00:32:46] great in the age of 17 last

[00:32:48] year is Claire.

[00:32:49] And I believe I've already

[00:32:50] said should be cast as siblings

[00:32:51] with Zoe Deutsch in a movie.

[00:32:52] The two of them look similar.

[00:32:53] OK.

[00:32:54] Someone writes something.

[00:32:55] I don't know.

[00:32:56] White Girls the movie Jessica

[00:32:57] Sula as Marcia.

[00:32:58] It was from Skins.

[00:32:59] She was in a late season

[00:33:01] of the British

[00:33:02] generation.

[00:33:03] Yeah, like season seven of

[00:33:04] Skins.

[00:33:05] Right.

[00:33:06] I didn't last that long.

[00:33:07] Me neither.

[00:33:08] But and the idea is that

[00:33:11] Marcia and Claire

[00:33:13] are the cool kids.

[00:33:15] Correct.

[00:33:16] They had like Claire had

[00:33:17] like a birthday party and they

[00:33:18] had to invite Casey because

[00:33:19] like you want to invite

[00:33:20] everybody.

[00:33:21] Exactly.

[00:33:22] Neil Huff, the dad is saying

[00:33:23] like I said he wanted to

[00:33:24] invite everybody.

[00:33:25] And but Casey's good actor.

[00:33:26] Love it.

[00:33:27] Neil Huff.

[00:33:28] Love it.

[00:33:29] Neil Huff.

[00:33:30] Me neither.

[00:33:31] Starring Hank Azaria from like

[00:33:32] 2000 and the late great Antonia

[00:33:33] Elkin.

[00:33:34] Thanks for bringing me down.

[00:33:36] We thought he'd be the first

[00:33:37] one to die from the cast of

[00:33:38] Huff.

[00:33:39] This is terrible.

[00:33:40] You're saying you you bet on

[00:33:41] Plattenstadt.

[00:33:42] I'm trying to think of who

[00:33:43] else is in Huff.

[00:33:44] But anyway, play thinner.

[00:33:45] I'll have had your bruster

[00:33:47] had your bruster.

[00:33:48] Hank Azaria and the late

[00:33:49] great Antonia.

[00:33:50] Anyway, all right.

[00:33:51] P Antonia Elkin.

[00:33:52] You're great.

[00:33:53] Not on Huff but that wasn't

[00:33:54] your fault.

[00:33:55] Admit here.

[00:33:56] Sure.

[00:33:57] Casey is the weird kid.

[00:33:58] They obviously they think

[00:33:59] she's weird.

[00:34:00] But the dad's like look.

[00:34:02] Fucking deal with it.

[00:34:04] And that's the opening

[00:34:05] of the movie is watching her

[00:34:06] isolated looking out a window

[00:34:08] on herself on like a fucking

[00:34:11] like Hitchcock Dolly Zoom.

[00:34:13] Sure.

[00:34:14] And over that you're hearing

[00:34:15] the two kids talk about

[00:34:16] how weird he is.

[00:34:17] He's so weird.

[00:34:18] Why does she behave this

[00:34:19] way?

[00:34:20] And of course, again, if

[00:34:22] you rewatch the movie,

[00:34:23] you'd pick up on this more.

[00:34:24] The idea is she's not one

[00:34:26] of the people that James

[00:34:28] McAvoy was watching.

[00:34:29] He wanted the two girls.

[00:34:31] He didn't want on you.

[00:34:32] Taylor Joy didn't know about

[00:34:33] her.

[00:34:34] She's not interested.

[00:34:35] No.

[00:34:36] So she's kind of a spare,

[00:34:37] you know.

[00:34:38] Correct.

[00:34:39] You get what I'm saying

[00:34:40] because he keeps talking about

[00:34:41] like he wants.

[00:34:42] Yes, I do.

[00:34:43] I mean, yes, these are all

[00:34:44] massive questions I had that

[00:34:45] I was going through a

[00:34:46] psychological tailspin with

[00:34:47] Ben last night.

[00:34:48] So they get in the car.

[00:34:49] You know, I would say

[00:34:51] incredibly effective creepy

[00:34:53] scene.

[00:34:54] I think probably the best

[00:34:55] piece of filmmaking in this

[00:34:56] one.

[00:34:57] I was watching it and I sort of

[00:34:58] like Ben turned to me and he

[00:34:59] went like, wow, right into

[00:35:01] And to me, this is a movie.

[00:35:03] Shyamalan is making like, you

[00:35:04] know, this is definitely like

[00:35:05] like, like and it follows,

[00:35:07] which this movie has the same

[00:35:08] cinematographer.

[00:35:09] And there's that one very

[00:35:11] similar shot that comes to

[00:35:12] the game.

[00:35:13] The sequence where the two

[00:35:14] girls and the dad packing

[00:35:15] stuff into the car.

[00:35:16] Let's just set up her

[00:35:18] relative has not come to pick

[00:35:20] her up from the birthday

[00:35:21] party.

[00:35:22] So they go like, let's give

[00:35:23] you a ride home.

[00:35:24] They don't really want to

[00:35:25] do it.

[00:35:26] So three of them are going to

[00:35:27] go in the car with the dad and

[00:35:28] they're going to drop her off

[00:35:29] at home.

[00:35:30] And that's the basic setup

[00:35:31] right.

[00:35:32] Instead, McAvoy gets in the

[00:35:33] car and chloroforms them with

[00:35:34] like a spray.

[00:35:35] And they do they do the

[00:35:37] and follow it.

[00:35:38] They do the it follows

[00:35:40] shots where the camera is

[00:35:42] functioning as McAvoy

[00:35:44] slowly moving towards them as

[00:35:45] they're packing the car

[00:35:46] and you get the unease of

[00:35:48] like, oh shit, this isn't

[00:35:50] me watching this as a viewer.

[00:35:51] This is me feeling a force

[00:35:52] coming towards them.

[00:35:53] Right.

[00:35:54] I mean the mind of the

[00:35:55] villain, whatever.

[00:35:56] Right.

[00:35:57] But this is a movie like it

[00:35:59] follows like lots of horror

[00:36:00] movies about like the like

[00:36:03] gossamer thin veneer of

[00:36:06] safety that comes with like a

[00:36:08] nice landed suburban middle

[00:36:10] class life.

[00:36:11] Sure.

[00:36:12] Like these girls when

[00:36:13] McAvoy gets in the car don't

[00:36:14] even react with horror.

[00:36:16] They're like excuse me or

[00:36:18] you're in the wrong car.

[00:36:19] They act like he's a dork.

[00:36:20] They're like, oh you fucking

[00:36:22] idiot.

[00:36:23] This isn't your car.

[00:36:24] This is an actively odd looking

[00:36:26] bald guy like just gets in

[00:36:28] the car with like total ease.

[00:36:29] But strangely magnetic.

[00:36:30] Like if you were stuck in an

[00:36:32] elevator with him after the

[00:36:33] premiere of Days of Future

[00:36:34] Past, you'd be like something

[00:36:35] about this guy is just kind

[00:36:37] of popping.

[00:36:38] Absolutely.

[00:36:39] And your dad would agree.

[00:36:40] And you know and he's going

[00:36:41] to reinforce this throughout

[00:36:42] the movie by the fact that

[00:36:43] the you know Claire and

[00:36:44] Marcia are barely wearing

[00:36:46] any clothes whereas

[00:36:48] Oni Taylor-Joy's character

[00:36:49] is like bundled up with

[00:36:50] like layer upon layer.

[00:36:51] Yes.

[00:36:52] You know and things like

[00:36:53] and you know this is all in

[00:36:54] service of the hashtag

[00:36:56] problematic point that he is

[00:36:57] making.

[00:36:58] Yes.

[00:36:59] But I do like that more

[00:37:01] classic like oh like

[00:37:03] you know these fucking kids

[00:37:04] they're idiots.

[00:37:05] They don't know anything.

[00:37:06] Like the classic slasher

[00:37:08] horror genre

[00:37:10] of like you know

[00:37:12] the suburbs they're so safe

[00:37:14] like and thus like so

[00:37:16] unsafe like so easy to

[00:37:18] disturb.

[00:37:19] Yeah I just love the fucking

[00:37:21] the like fucking like

[00:37:23] cinematic like reps

[00:37:25] he's doing in this scene.

[00:37:26] Like it's just like at the gym

[00:37:28] fucking showing off.

[00:37:29] I mean the shot of Oni Taylor-Joy

[00:37:32] like the way she reacts and how

[00:37:33] different it is.

[00:37:34] Yes.

[00:37:35] And how he lingers on it

[00:37:36] and slows it all the way down

[00:37:37] so you can really start to

[00:37:39] wonder like what is going on

[00:37:41] in her brain that she reacts

[00:37:42] this way to this.

[00:37:43] Right.

[00:37:44] Oh and it's also you know

[00:37:46] when you're watching the

[00:37:47] conversations between James

[00:37:49] McAvoy and the two girls in the

[00:37:50] back it's kind of third person.

[00:37:52] But when James McAvoy and

[00:37:53] Oni Taylor-Joy or are

[00:37:55] locked in any sort of way

[00:37:57] it's kind of first person POV camera.

[00:37:59] You know it looks like

[00:38:01] you're looking at them

[00:38:02] they're looking at you.

[00:38:03] She's got a great face

[00:38:05] for that.

[00:38:06] She's extremely good I mean

[00:38:07] we should you know she was in

[00:38:08] The Witch last year

[00:38:09] which is terrific and she was

[00:38:10] in Morgan which I did not

[00:38:11] see but was another like

[00:38:12] creepy girl movie.

[00:38:13] But I certainly had this

[00:38:14] feeling not-

[00:38:15] She was in Barry which she's

[00:38:16] loved by the way she's

[00:38:17] in Barry which she's

[00:38:18] lovely in.

[00:38:19] Oh really?

[00:38:20] Yeah she's Barack Obama's

[00:38:21] girlfriend.

[00:38:22] Michelle Obama?

[00:38:23] Not that one.

[00:38:24] His white girlfriend from

[00:38:26] you know she didn't play

[00:38:27] Michelle Obama.

[00:38:28] Thank God.

[00:38:29] No from because it's set

[00:38:30] in Columbia it's like when

[00:38:31] he was in college

[00:38:32] you know Barry.

[00:38:33] Yeah no I know

[00:38:34] I haven't seen that I know

[00:38:35] you liked it right.

[00:38:36] Yeah I liked it you know

[00:38:37] three stars yeah it's

[00:38:38] it's it's it's there's

[00:38:39] things there.

[00:38:40] Okay so it's more of a

[00:38:41] hotel translovenia two than

[00:38:42] a hotel translovenia one.

[00:38:43] Okay bingo you nailed it

[00:38:44] bingo bingo you know

[00:38:45] three stars it's got a

[00:38:46] five star master piece.

[00:38:47] Yeah it's a hotel translovenia

[00:38:48] two.

[00:38:49] Okay the I saw The Witch I

[00:38:53] thought she was very good in

[00:38:54] it.

[00:38:55] The Vitch.

[00:38:56] The Vitch but also that

[00:38:57] movie is so stylized.

[00:38:58] Of course so yeah you

[00:38:59] don't know right.

[00:39:00] She's not an actress that

[00:39:01] it was like one of those

[00:39:02] things where it's like this

[00:39:03] might be a great director

[00:39:04] who cast someone perfectly

[00:39:05] exactly got the good face

[00:39:06] got the good look got the

[00:39:07] right person.

[00:39:08] So much of it is her face

[00:39:09] her looks and presence

[00:39:10] she's really good at

[00:39:12] reacting to shit.

[00:39:13] Yeah no you never know

[00:39:14] but I think she's proving

[00:39:15] herself a very right she's got

[00:39:16] the good she's clearly she

[00:39:17] knows what she's doing.

[00:39:18] She's a really fucking good

[00:39:19] act.

[00:39:20] Yeah and this is a tough

[00:39:23] part a tough tough part I

[00:39:24] would argue almost an unfair

[00:39:25] part to give to anybody.

[00:39:27] Hey man she does a good job

[00:39:28] and she handles it really

[00:39:29] well but this opening is

[00:39:30] great.

[00:39:31] I mean you see just even

[00:39:32] just the fucking camera

[00:39:33] moves in this I mean there's

[00:39:34] the great thing where she's

[00:39:35] sitting shotgun and the camera

[00:39:36] keeps on kind of bananaing

[00:39:37] around the car so you see

[00:39:38] the body of someone who

[00:39:39] is like a real good

[00:39:40] actor.

[00:39:41] So she's like a real good

[00:39:42] actor.

[00:39:43] She's like a real good

[00:39:44] actor.

[00:39:45] She's like a real good actor.

[00:39:46] So I mean she's got the body

[00:39:47] of someone closing the

[00:39:49] trunk yes walking to the

[00:39:50] door walking back.

[00:39:51] We the audience know

[00:39:52] something is up but we

[00:39:53] don't hear a noise.

[00:39:54] Right we don't hear that

[00:39:55] because that I where we as

[00:39:56] we quickly learn the dad

[00:39:58] just gets chloroform too so

[00:39:59] there's no like right

[00:40:00] violence struggle you

[00:40:01] don't see any of it you

[00:40:02] don't see anything that

[00:40:03] you just hear the thing

[00:40:04] close immediately shaman

[00:40:05] showing this is a movie with

[00:40:06] no jumps none at all.

[00:40:07] No I'd say one maybe

[00:40:08] one sort of one in the

[00:40:09] last 10 minutes of the

[00:40:10] move but I mean you know

[00:40:11] like this is a movie where

[00:40:12] I would and this is what

[00:40:13] I'm talking about when I say Blumhouse. Yeah, and their ilk all the horror movies

[00:40:16] It would be all jumps, you know it'd be like, you know

[00:40:20] Pan and then whoo, you know like he's in the seat next to you

[00:40:23] I don't know like or like the music box really really slowly until it stops and then

[00:40:32] Which is like that is what I mean

[00:40:34] I

[00:40:36] Don't know who gives a shit. It's such a cheap boring trick

[00:40:40] Yeah, and like I guess audience is kind of like it because you go to see one of those movies in the audience is sure

[00:40:45] You know jumping and laughing and like it's like a roller coaster or whatever

[00:40:48] But like you get so inured to it it gets so like here we go

[00:40:52] You know even when you watch a trailer for one of these movies

[00:40:55] You're like alright in like 20 seconds

[00:40:57] It's gonna do exactly what you just said or someone's gonna be looking in a mirror or

[00:41:02] They'll be like looking at a picture like an old picture and they're like what is this and suddenly like the monster

[00:41:11] Turn the volume down on this Benny. Um guys don't screen directly in the microphone. He's the one doing it

[00:41:24] Anyway, ah damn it

[00:41:27] No one's gonna enjoy that no, it's a terrible podcast so

[00:41:31] But but this seriously Ben you can you could tone those all the way down and also delete everything we're starting over

[00:41:37] There I was looking at just the fucking car sequence, right and it's like there are two shots

[00:41:44] That are amongst the scariest things that happen in this movie

[00:41:47] The slow track into the back of the car from McEvoy's perspective

[00:41:52] And that weird bananaing from Anna Taylor joy side where she's not seeing what's going on

[00:41:57] And both of those cases nothing scary is happening on screen

[00:42:00] No, but he's creating dread just and how he menace the fucking camera. Yes

[00:42:05] Great nothing. I mean hey man a lot of people can put a scary image on screen

[00:42:09] That's what I'm saying

[00:42:10] This is next level and some people can put a scary image on screen and shoot it in a scary way right very few people

[00:42:17] Can shoot nothing and make it scare

[00:42:20] Jason Blum Academy Award nominee

[00:42:23] For what?

[00:42:26] So

[00:42:27] The he kidnaps them it kind of happens in slow motion

[00:42:30] She sees them on your Taylor joy reaction happens like he chloroforms them and then you cut to slow motion

[00:42:35] I think of her like where she's like what do I do?

[00:42:39] What do I do?

[00:42:39] What do I do and then she finally tries to open the door really really slowly?

[00:42:43] And that's just right. Yeah, and then yeah because the car engines on right and then he

[00:42:49] He looks at her and again

[00:42:51] You're like you're like it's a shaman movie you're hunting for the twist, right?

[00:42:55] So you're like why isn't he gassing her right away something weird's going on?

[00:42:58] Yeah, you know like they in cahoots does she know him somehow like you know, what's this gonna be and her reaction is so

[00:43:05] It's so peculiar. It's it's hard to describe

[00:43:09] She certainly looked scared but not right. It's whatever. Yeah, it's like it's there's a practice quality to it

[00:43:17] Like it looks like she's been here before yeah

[00:43:19] And it's just you you assume he gasses the two of them in such a quick succession

[00:43:22] He's gonna move over to her

[00:43:23] But then when he doesn't you're like does he not even notice that she's there when I eyes it takes while for him to act

[00:43:28] Yeah, even when she opens the door and he sees she's trying to get away

[00:43:31] He doesn't react with violence per se. He just reacts again with this

[00:43:35] He puts his mask on and he anyway, so then they wake up. They're in

[00:43:39] Cellar with it with a bathroom

[00:43:42] It's very ten cloverfield Lane. I was gonna say

[00:43:46] Although I would you know, I love the way that he shoots them on these two beds

[00:43:50] He's got on a tailor drawing on one and the other two girls in the other

[00:43:54] There's this wooden beam on the wall between them like in case we didn't get it almost looks like they're in different rooms

[00:43:59] And there's like an invisible wall

[00:44:05] I was almost screened the mic but then I decided that wouldn't be funny

[00:44:08] And and now it's the movie is still scary obviously

[00:44:16] But it is shifting into what a lot of these movies have to do which is like now for the rules

[00:44:22] Right like now for the rules of the movie the rules of the world, right?

[00:44:25] And and as we've all seen the trailer as we know he's gonna come in

[00:44:29] He's Dennis. He's got glasses. He's got this sort of like a tightly buttoned shirt. Uh-huh

[00:44:35] He's a neat freak. He has this kind of voice. Yeah, oh CD

[00:44:39] Right and he's like

[00:44:41] And then he comes in and he's a Patricia

[00:44:44] They hear through the keyhole hear him talking to a woman, right?

[00:44:48] And they're like this one can help us and she's like this isn't good you must do right there

[00:44:52] And they're like okay here we go here we go opens the door

[00:44:55] It's him in like a red turtleneck and and shummel on fucking waits a while before he cuts to see him

[00:45:00] Right like we hear the voice we see the door opening and then we see the reactions of the two of them as he starts speaking

[00:45:05] It's just good fucking film. It's fun stuff before you see wait. What's going on here? He's a lady

[00:45:12] Was he talking to himself?

[00:45:15] Yeah, and she's Patricia is like, you know don't worry. You won't be hurt

[00:45:21] Everything's fine. He knows not to touch you. Yes. Yes tough but fair right great facial gestures for the character

[00:45:29] He was so good extremely good job. Yeah, you're so good for an inquiry you're telling you're saying on your Taylor joy is a hard roll

[00:45:36] Yes, most that's the tough fucking role for all my misgivings

[00:45:39] With this movie right like all my my hurdles. I'm still trying to clear

[00:45:45] in in my enjoyment of this film or

[00:45:50] If I can enjoy it

[00:45:52] That performance fucking work. Hmm and the movie falls apart if you don't have someone that committed going for it that part

[00:45:58] Yeah, and that able to create

[00:46:02] Such fully realized

[00:46:05] Personalities not without self-awareness not without humor. He knows what movies in it's a very funny performance

[00:46:11] It's also equally terrifying. It's it's very very good

[00:46:15] And it doesn't do any of the tricks. I was afraid it would do which is essentially when he's like

[00:46:21] No, I'm a nice lady and then someone's like but and then he like switches and he's like

[00:46:25] I'm the crazy one now. You know like he doesn't do any of that right and much more as you learn like it's much more of a rigorous thing

[00:46:33] his his personalities and how they move he's kind of in one when he's in one right and

[00:46:40] It's like a process for another one to take the light

[00:46:43] Correct, so this is talking about rules that this movie sets up one of the things you hear early on is okay

[00:46:49] Who has the light? I have the light yeah

[00:46:51] So it's sort of clear that this internal battle being waged within him right because pretty early on you also meet head wig

[00:46:57] Who's the little boy?

[00:46:59] Right, right and he's the one who's talking a lot about the light and like he's the one who's more talking about the rules of the personalities

[00:47:06] Mm-hmm

[00:47:07] You're like stifling a yawn yeah, I didn't sleep and one thing. I'm sorry

[00:47:12] And one thing Claire the Haley Richardson character keeps saying is like this is unacceptable

[00:47:18] We have to fight back and ask Ante androi

[00:47:22] I need to help her joy like we got a rush this guy like why aren't you freaking out right?

[00:47:26] Yeah, and she's just it's that she on his other joy is more in this sort of locked in where she's like

[00:47:31] We shouldn't do anything that doesn't make any sense. We'll do something when it makes sense like right now

[00:47:36] He's not hurting us. Let's just let's just so these are things I

[00:47:40] Wanted to say because after the movie last night couldn't tell if I was overthinking this stuff or

[00:47:46] Because they I mean he sets up these breadcrumbs on the first girl. What's your name?

[00:47:52] Kula oh

[00:47:53] Jessica Sula just Marcia. Sorry Jessica Sula is the first girl who gets sort of he grabs her pulls her out

[00:48:00] But right before he does and we hear her like screaming right before he does on a Taylor joy says pee yourself

[00:48:06] yeah, and

[00:48:07] Then she goes out into the room to hear the screaming and surprisingly quickly the door is open and she's thrown back

[00:48:13] And he's like yeah, and she's now peed herself and she says he just wanted to dance with me

[00:48:18] He wanted me to take off my clothes. Yeah, yeah

[00:48:20] So you're like all of this is weird sure that's weird that like on your Taylor joy was that quick that

[00:48:26] Solution right, you know here's how you save yourself some time right not save yourself time

[00:48:32] No, you're so sometime

[00:48:34] and then there's the thing that

[00:48:37] Haley Lou Richardson says to her where she says like oh

[00:48:40] No, don't do this not now. This isn't the time to do that right

[00:48:44] Which is in response to her sort of sitting calmly in the room going off into her own world. Yes

[00:48:49] Yeah, that's what she's talking about 100%

[00:48:52] She's talking about the behavior that they were remarking on in the in the first scene with the birthday party when she's essentially

[00:48:58] Yeah, exactly this girl is a fucking alien like you know, she's like a Martian she doesn't write

[00:49:02] She's angry with it. Exactly. She's not reacting with right

[00:49:06] She's locking down essentially in the same way that she seems to do all the time

[00:49:10] And then she says that thing of when I hear something that makes sense

[00:49:13] I'll tell you yeah, but they seem to defer to her on that they like well because she I mean

[00:49:17] I mean

[00:49:18] I don't know if it's anything more than like when someone is the commas in a crisis situation sure

[00:49:22] You know they sort of immediately attract your attention throwing stupid plans out at her and she's explained why they won't work

[00:49:28] And she's very

[00:49:29] Reason right. She's not like just being like a fucking

[00:49:33] Shut up. Fuck you guys. No, she's like no

[00:49:36] But you're not thinking about this. This is gonna right and also she just gets like this guy is physically stronger than he looks

[00:49:42] You know, he he can overpower. Yeah, we can't just overpower right, right

[00:49:48] Yeah, that's the big thing she saw is I saw him carry your body in here

[00:49:51] This is nothing this guy. We're not gonna be able to physically right

[00:49:55] And she also gets that he's OCD because he's he's weird. He's weird about the bathroom

[00:50:00] Sure, he's giving them all these rules about cleanliness right the blue bottle the pink bottle this is for ceramics

[00:50:06] This is for Kyle, right?

[00:50:08] Okay, so I think the first Betty Buckley soon happens pretty yeah

[00:50:12] So, you know me and Joe I saw this my brother and I think we thought you know Betty Buckley was gonna have maybe a happening style role

[00:50:18] Where it's like one big chunk where finally you meet Betty Buckley and she's like well

[00:50:23] Here's the deal with him and she explained no Betty Buckley is you know

[00:50:26] She has there are two storylines and she's one of them is just about her

[00:50:29] Yeah, I'd say this movie has three lead characters and she is one of Betty Buckley who's in the happening

[00:50:34] But she's in lots of she plays a crazy lady who shoots Spence Breslin in the face in the happening

[00:50:39] Poor Breslin. I forgot I forgot that he gets it in the face. He gets it in the face. Yeah

[00:50:43] and

[00:50:45] She is

[00:50:47] Kevin's

[00:50:48] psychiatrist Kevin Allen crumb Wendell when Kevin Wendell crumb about his name is not revealed to right at the end

[00:50:55] Sure and Kevin Kevin is the body I guess that houses all these personnel. Yes, and she's

[00:51:03] She knows about this and she's I guess whatever she sort of helps maintain

[00:51:09] Normalcy for him right like she's developed a system where one of the personalities kind of in charge

[00:51:14] He goes to work. He's like relatively normal like you know, he doesn't get in trouble anymore

[00:51:19] Whatever he's super into fashion. Yeah, it's the it's the the swishy

[00:51:24] Brooklyn II kind of I'd say he wasn't swishy. I mean, I'd say to Shyamalan's credit

[00:51:29] He's played as kind of a blue collar fashion bro. Sure, but he's he's extroverted. I guess she says

[00:51:36] I don't know. He's got like sort of a lilting voice and come on my favorite personality. Yeah

[00:51:41] I was gonna say I mean he's like then he's getting into fashion

[00:51:43] But of course what's interesting about it is we quickly realize that's an impersonation of that right right

[00:51:49] And perhaps it's a little too on the nose. We do see that character for real briefly at the end

[00:51:53] but

[00:51:55] Gone, but he buckley gets this email from from him right saying I need to see but it's it's from

[00:52:02] Emails written from Barry s I believe so. Yeah, which is the name of the fashion guy. Yeah, okay?

[00:52:08] He's the main one who emails her yeah

[00:52:11] And then he shows up he shows up and he's like I'm sorry, you know, it's no big deal

[00:52:16] Like I was just a little scared, but I'm fine

[00:52:19] She's like really seems like

[00:52:21] Email made a time sensitive. What's going on? What's going on? And I get like you know just like what she's realizing eventually is that

[00:52:30] While Dennis who she's only heard about but never met like one of the bad personalities is taking control

[00:52:36] When he's asleep quote unquote or whatever the other personalities can like seize control the body briefly and send a frantic email before

[00:52:43] They're like kicked out again

[00:52:44] And so that's what's happening and Dennis is trying to just smooth it over by

[00:52:48] Showing up every day at her at her office and being like no no nothing to worry about I just got a little anxious

[00:52:53] This movie treats this associative identity disorder like it's the Eddie Murphy movie meet date

[00:52:58] No, it treats it like the like being John Malcolm. It's like they're wrestling for control of one body

[00:53:04] Like you know, it's like they're all housed but they're all fighting for control

[00:53:09] I haven't seen meat day the plot of me Dave was more like Herman's head or whatever. No, okay, okay

[00:53:16] No, the original title of me Dave was

[00:53:18] spaceship Dave

[00:53:20] Remember that it is about was it Starship Dave? Yes, I'm sorry. It is about a tiny alien race

[00:53:27] Who all decide to live in a human-sized robot that looks like Eddie Murphy?

[00:53:34] So he's got a full staff inside of him that are like pulling the lever right right

[00:53:38] I was like Herman said like one person does the mouth

[00:53:43] Does the eyes? No, it's like they're at a control center. Yeah, right?

[00:53:47] There's no what Herman said is Herman's head is like inside out. Yeah, Herman says like inside out right yeah

[00:53:53] But it's not his feelings there like he's not a real person. He's like a vehicle all right

[00:53:58] And starship well, I'm a bit of a vehicle you think about it

[00:54:00] Well, whatever

[00:54:01] The point is it's like different people wrestling control the steering wheel

[00:54:05] Why do they think meat Dave was gonna be a more powerful title?

[00:54:08] Yeah, you know what title works Starship David

[00:54:10] It's better than meet Dave. Here's Dave. He is himself a Starship. Yeah meet Dave

[00:54:15] Okay, nice to meet you who else is at this party Dave doesn't seem that interesting to me

[00:54:21] Thousand words

[00:54:22] Yeah, that was this was his a Brian Robbins drill it. Yeah, he did three he did meet Dave

[00:54:27] Norbit a thousand words orbits orbits a fascinating move and then he retired from movies

[00:54:32] Well, no cuz he made Mr. Church though. Yeah, Mr. Church though. Mr. Church

[00:54:36] Mr. Church

[00:54:37] Wadah Wadah

[00:54:39] I saw that you pinned the wadah tweet. Yeah the original one

[00:54:43] Wadah fever

[00:54:45] Yeah, so please feel free to go to twitter.com back slash griff lightning and pave that pinned

[00:54:52] Wadah

[00:54:53] Tweet, you know the mr. Church begins with an open opening title that says inspired by a true friendship

[00:54:57] Oh fuck you

[00:55:00] Are you kidding me? I am not kidding

[00:55:08] Have you seen mr. Church no you just heard that

[00:55:14] I mean it's not something you forget

[00:55:17] Do you know how badly I want Eddie Murphy to have a comeback and to see him do shit like that

[00:55:22] I don't think any Murphy could have a comeback. He wants to make a movie based on a true friendship

[00:55:27] What if someone made a movie about our podcast they could say it was based on a true friendship

[00:55:32] No, they'd say it's based on a to friendship hashtag two friends

[00:55:36] Graduates I set it up. You knocked it out hashtag two friends space

[00:55:42] hip

[00:55:44] All right

[00:55:51] So

[00:55:54] This movie is like broken me well

[00:55:56] So yeah, so then we're learning the rules in both both storylines in Betty Buckley's we're seeing yeah like how

[00:56:04] He functions and how he's sort of like whatever how they created a life for him together and

[00:56:11] In the basement storyline. We're seeing how obviously it's come apart and how the little boy head wig

[00:56:18] Yeah made some alliance with the more villainous

[00:56:22] personalities right Dennis and

[00:56:25] Patricia, okay, so this takes control you reminded me of the thing I want to say sure I want to talk

[00:56:31] He's playing real fast and loose with this right real fast and okay

[00:56:37] My

[00:56:39] By not well, I'm not I'm not gonna get into that yet. I will build up to that

[00:56:43] But but this is the more immediate thing I want to say

[00:56:47] He is treating it

[00:56:50] like

[00:56:51] By all accounts what in a highly contested condition the very nature of disassociative identity disorder

[00:56:59] Which is an extension of disassociation as a psychological condition coping through trauma

[00:57:04] Yeah, is that people create alternate personalities right specifically to help them work through these things right and they are triggered by

[00:57:11] You know whatever instances of right well

[00:57:14] This is not a movie where people trick he's triggered but yes, but but in a way. Yes

[00:57:19] I mean they talk a lot about this is entirely a byproduct of his offering that well

[00:57:24] They talk about that would yes and especially with Dennis Dennis is a reaction to his mother's like obsessive cleanliness

[00:57:30] She would have like hit the kid or whatever she was a physically abusive mother if if the kid if things were at a place

[00:57:35] Or whatever so like that's what Dennis is like that's right. His father left him and his mother be

[00:57:42] Whether or not he had a chemical imbalance to begin with who knows but certainly these

[00:57:49] personalities were created as a coping mechanism

[00:57:53] Sure in response to the well at least that one was when we know him there's 20 fucking three personalities

[00:57:58] We don't mean them all she kind no we don't

[00:58:00] She kind of I forget the exact line, but she seems to imply like she's at one point

[00:58:05] Like I understand why this personality exists you need him to deal with that

[00:58:08] Well, right, but what she's trying to do in those scenes is appeal to Dennis's ego

[00:58:13] Like because she's trying to get Dennis to admit. Yes. This is me. It's not

[00:58:18] Right and she says, you know, I understand

[00:58:22] Yeah, I

[00:58:24] Once again watch this interview with an inch on the lawn where he said that he and McAvoy worked on

[00:58:31] Understanding even if film doesn't explain it right

[00:58:34] What all the personalities reflect right and what what they are response to okay?

[00:58:39] I'm sure that's true

[00:58:40] But at the same time I wonder if they put equal thought into every one

[00:58:45] No, I mean like there are a couple you see in the video diaries at the end that are like

[00:58:48] Okay

[00:58:49] That's that's like an improv scene where they're playing ding and it's like you have to come with another one

[00:58:53] You have to come with another one

[00:58:55] Which we will reflect at the end of this episode in a very special surprise for all of you

[00:58:59] but

[00:59:01] This the reason I bring up the fucking meet Dave analogy is that this movie treats it like

[00:59:06] Rather than just being like sides of him that come out

[00:59:09] You know personas that come out response to things that it's literally like someone being like hey

[00:59:14] Do you mind if I get the wheel for like a second and then one of the personalities just literally goes to sleep

[00:59:20] It's like they're all in an apartment and they go to sleep and the other one way saying it's like science fiction

[00:59:25] This is science fiction. It is right

[00:59:27] It has its own weird logic and rules, but then we have a therapist who is constantly

[00:59:31] Lying everything he's saying to real psychiatric study. Okay, you've made your point on that case

[00:59:36] I mean right. I mean is there more to say yes

[00:59:39] They use the real name of a disorder a very hotly debated disorder

[00:59:43] But but keep me some people don't think even exist

[00:59:46] I should point some people a lot a lot that guy just I think are very

[00:59:51] They don't think it's like it's really a disorder as more as it's like sort of variations on other disorders

[00:59:57] Some people think it's up to matter people some people think it's therapist created sure some people think it like through act

[01:00:02] out and like in therapy sessions, right

[01:00:06] In the same way people sort of some people are very suspicious of like regression therapy and hypnotic, you know

[01:00:12] Recalling a buried memory like that. I I don't subscribe to that

[01:00:16] Like I'm not a truth or who believes it doesn't exist sure sure I do believe it's something that exists in a very

[01:00:23] Nebulous form right and maybe in fact a last-wing of several different things together

[01:00:29] It's not a bunch of people live in one memory palace

[01:00:33] Like okay, I have four to six thirty then you're gonna take but in this movie

[01:00:38] This comic book movie, right?

[01:00:41] That's how it works. So I'm watching it and I'm going she set up as kind of an unreliable narrator

[01:00:45] There's for sure scene of her with her not that she's the narrator

[01:00:48] But you know I'm saying as

[01:00:50] She's the one who's giving us the medical back

[01:00:52] She's the one I mean it's like any of these legs genre like a lot of genre movies

[01:00:57] She's like this the scientists who's like no no no it all makes sense. Don't worry

[01:01:01] I've created safeguards like I know exactly how this works and nothing's gonna. I promise you like I

[01:01:09] Nothing's gonna go wrong, you know sure she's in the in in the nuclear power plant being like it's not the China syndrome

[01:01:16] Don't worry. It's just it's just a faulty little tap here like it's fine. I'm gonna fix it, you know, right?

[01:01:21] Yeah, you know because she

[01:01:23] She's so resolute in her belief that like it's gonna be okay

[01:01:27] And she gets how to deal with this guy that she goes into his his death basement with him

[01:01:33] And only like halfway through realize like I may not have total control of this situation, right?

[01:01:38] Which made me think while watching it well

[01:01:41] She's clearly wrong the arc they're setting up here clearly is that she's wrong and not just that she's wrong

[01:01:46] And that you trust them too much and it's gonna lead to her death

[01:01:49] But that she's wrong in a sense. She's totally

[01:01:53] You know mistygnosed who he is and what he is

[01:01:58] Which is where in the sort of comic book II tradition? I thought they were gonna reveal

[01:02:02] Oh, no, he's not someone with disassociated identity disorder

[01:02:05] He is someone who experienced this and this is his brain evolved to this point. Well, that's kind of what it is

[01:02:11] Yeah, well the thing is she doesn't believe in the beast

[01:02:15] No, and the reason that we learned that this is all happening is that Dennis and Patricia

[01:02:20] Believe that this new personality the beast right is coming and he's going to whatever take over the body

[01:02:26] and in their opinion like improve it and

[01:02:29] To her life as a mental health professional

[01:02:34] However, you might want to put it

[01:02:36] She's like no. No, that's just

[01:02:38] You know, that's your worst fears. That's your nightmare. That's just scary stories and that's what these

[01:02:44] More aggressive personalized are you just using as an excuse to you know to take over right?

[01:02:49] And she's like, you know how you know the beast isn't real

[01:02:50] He's not in there with you exactly like we saw him at a train station and she's like yeah, but your train station

[01:02:55] That's where your father left place. Yes. That's the trigger place. So that's that's just you

[01:03:01] You know thinking the worst essentially right? Yeah, but then the other thing she gets to hear is that or that the movie gets to here is

[01:03:09] That the beast represents a physiological when she asked him what the beast looks like because and I bigger

[01:03:16] Right much bigger than I am taller. I'm the wall. Yeah, I think they say is long hair long fingers

[01:03:22] Okay, right. Yeah, I don't think anything about hair the long fingers muscular can climb the wall right

[01:03:27] Use it and she says have been very detailed

[01:03:30] But like you know micro abrasions in the walls like somehow can cling to them like sure and

[01:03:36] Someone's done this before right?

[01:03:38] While crawling super freak no, no, but you know what I mean like one of these things where it's like

[01:03:44] Someone explains how it all works before it happens

[01:03:49] This is pseudo science is essentially is what I'm trying. I'm trying to think now have to think through his

[01:03:53] I mean doesn't the visit kind of do that with the visit kind of does it? Yeah, but then of course in the visit turns out

[01:03:59] Yeah, there is not that right

[01:04:01] You know they are

[01:04:03] Yeah, they're just crazy people from the I mean this is a thing

[01:04:06] Yes, this is a thing that I like when movies do when they when they sort of give you the

[01:04:13] Guideline they explain to you how it's gonna go down so that when the thing goes down it can exist in purely visual

[01:04:19] I'm a fan of me too. That's right, and that's what I'm trying to figure out if you pulled that trip before

[01:04:24] I feel he did but I can't think about yeah, what is it? I mean, I guess

[01:04:28] Breakable kind of does

[01:04:33] Yes, it's right

[01:04:34] Scrot breakable

[01:04:36] So there the other thing that's happening here. Well, we may be going out of order a little bit

[01:04:41] There's the scene where Betty Buckley talks to her next or name. Yeah, that's that's pretty early in the movie

[01:04:46] I would say that's probably after the first meeting with Kevin

[01:04:49] I think it might be this second

[01:04:50] It's the first of the second what have you and I was already kind of impressed by the movie just because like

[01:04:55] You know especially seeing some like ten chlorophyll Lane

[01:04:57] You know three girls wake up underground in a bunker in a locked room

[01:05:01] Here's a dude with a great sweater collection and 23 personalities, right?

[01:05:05] Hey, man

[01:05:05] And you expect that the rest of the movie is gonna be like bottle movie in

[01:05:09] Torture is a statement psychological torture, right?

[01:05:11] And then like ten minutes later he leaves goes outside gets a cab goes to his therapist

[01:05:16] He's in a different setting. Yeah, like he's going about his day, right and that's

[01:05:20] Already I was like interesting interesting move Shyamalan soon, right? He's throwing this movie off the hump

[01:05:25] Yeah, so to speak

[01:05:27] He goes has a couple therapy sessions with her where he's like yeah disregard that email disregard that right and by the second one

[01:05:34] She's she's on to her sure, right and she

[01:05:38] Goes to see her friend next door

[01:05:41] No, well, okay fine. Go ahead. What what about the next door neighbor which oh by the way

[01:05:46] Sterling K. Brown's role was going to be that he was

[01:05:50] who

[01:05:51] He was another psychiatrist who lived next door

[01:05:54] That's what I figured that he was gonna be some kind of a fellow mental health professional who may be disagreed with her

[01:05:59] Yes, that's what it was gonna be

[01:06:00] But then there was also a sense of romantic attachment to him that he wanted to counterpoint

[01:06:06] To show how lonely Betty Buckley's character was by showing her lusting after a character

[01:06:10] She couldn't be with but then also the intellectual battle between the two of them, right?

[01:06:15] He said when he said the first couple movies three hours long

[01:06:18] There was like 30 minutes of Sterling K. Brown that they cut out entirely because he was just like I shouldn't have written this

[01:06:23] This is a track and from what's actually going on in the movie

[01:06:25] The movies two hours long in my opinion. It's too long

[01:06:28] I agree, you know just with a kind of movie like this

[01:06:31] It really should just be 90 minutes a hundred tops like you know they these movies should be as short as possible

[01:06:35] Like I agree. It's just a little too long. I mean it didn't really hurt the movie for me

[01:06:40] I was

[01:06:41] On board the whole time and pretty tense the whole time like it's not but it's it's long

[01:06:45] It's longer than a movie like this usually is so she's like the fucking conjuring two is two and a half hours long

[01:06:51] And country one like yeah, some of these movies can really live in it and this movie is basically

[01:06:56] Successful not to go into conjuring cyber

[01:06:58] But I think the difference between the conjuring movies and something like this is that the conjuring movies to their credit

[01:07:03] Want to have full emotional character arcs for

[01:07:07] For the ghostbusters and the villain and the haunted it essentially is like get you a movie that can do both like it's there

[01:07:14] The struggles of maintaining a good marriage movies and horror movies

[01:07:18] So it kind of needs two hours to be able to run both no beef. No beef

[01:07:22] Split the scene with the next door neighbor. Mm-hmm. She goes to talk to who's a woman who can't stop ordering stuff online

[01:07:28] Yeah, bad old Lee right

[01:07:31] And she's like why do you believe in these people? You know what why do you put in the time that guy seems on the whatever I?

[01:07:37] Think that's when this idea is introduced Betty Buckley is

[01:07:42] Starts tiptoeing around this thing where she's like

[01:07:45] What if they're not the broken people like we look at them functioning differently than us and we think they're a broken version of what

[01:07:51] They're supposed to be right. What if they're actually an evolution, right?

[01:07:54] What if they're the next step forward you're like, huh interesting?

[01:07:59] This makes me think that he is not what she's saying he is that he's some other thing

[01:08:04] Right, and I couldn't put my finger on it

[01:08:06] I was like I don't think I'm gonna make him an alien or something

[01:08:09] But maybe it's like

[01:08:11] Cuz it's a little neat to be like his mom beat him and now he has 23 personalities

[01:08:15] But one of them is a monster man sure, you know, yeah

[01:08:17] So I was like me a radioactive waste like I was thinking like it's gonna go into some comic booky territory

[01:08:23] Where there's some weird science fiction explanation for it that isn't psychological trauma

[01:08:28] He does no but he is going with that idea right that he does

[01:08:33] exist in that sort of vein without

[01:08:36] While having a very straightforward backstory that would result in that kind of condition now

[01:08:40] I don't think the movie thinks that he is the next step in human evolution

[01:08:45] But the movie thinks he thinks it and the she thinks it how's the movie not think that when the movie is gonna go kill

[01:08:50] Right because he is an unbreakable and not an unbreakable in the sense that he's unbreakable

[01:08:56] But that he's one of these oh you're saying well Bruce will this is on the well

[01:09:00] I guess I put it this way doesn't think it's a good thing. That's more what I know

[01:09:03] It doesn't mean it's a good thing no 100% not but I she kind of thinks it might be a good sure

[01:09:08] But it is definitely a thing

[01:09:10] I think the movie is arguing that the broken people are actually not broken. They're super power sure, you know yeah

[01:09:19] Forged in trauma much like Bruce Willis is well except he's forged in physical crime. Thank you and also

[01:09:26] He had it from birth

[01:09:28] Yeah

[01:09:29] Is it birth implication unbreakable is that he didn't realize he had it until he survived the car crash

[01:09:35] But after the car crash he psychosomatically told himself that he had broken his back

[01:09:39] Right, but the car crashes when he's a teenager. Anyway, it doesn't

[01:09:43] Unbreakable

[01:09:45] He's never been sick the only time he ever had it was drowning in the pool when he was kids

[01:09:49] So he had it from the beginning and same with mr. Glass who had it from the beginning and then this movie comes out

[01:09:55] Absolutely opposite track

[01:09:57] When I breakable both the good guy and the bad guy are presented as some people are physically born in a weird way

[01:10:02] Okay, well, it's good. Here's no here's my counter to you. Yeah, maybe not

[01:10:07] Go on like, you know

[01:10:10] Yes, he suffered, you know at the hands of his mother, right? You know, but is that a coincidence you're saying?

[01:10:17] Maybe that's what made things bad for him. But like maybe he already

[01:10:21] Was someone who had a weird memory palace that a bunch of things could live in and like, you know

[01:10:27] Eventually like if he hung out with animals too much that they would start to live there, too

[01:10:31] Maybe he's some sort of like an empath or a you know, you know what I'm saying like like a memory sponge

[01:10:37] Whatever someone who can like absorb because like look right at the end of the movie

[01:10:41] They drop this idea that the beast is an amalgamation of all the animals near him

[01:10:46] Which comes out of fucking nowhere

[01:10:47] Well, yes and no and but like so then it's like that is sort of the rewriting of

[01:10:53] The rules where it's like, oh no, this isn't like exactly

[01:10:57] Forged by psychiatric trauma. This seems to be like a power

[01:11:01] Right, right. Oh god. We will get back into the plot of the movie

[01:11:05] I mean, well, I mean it's kind of just survival at that point

[01:11:08] I mean let's say the one major hook of the movie which is like the best hook the movie has is

[01:11:12] I

[01:11:14] It's a joy figures out that she might be able to use some of the personalities to help her against the personality

[01:11:19] So for her right that it's like she starts to make friends with Hedwig the little boy, right?

[01:11:24] And

[01:11:25] Hedwig helps her understand certain things and eventually like she's still walkie-talking for him

[01:11:30] You know this that stuff

[01:11:31] But can she negotiate with the personalities and can this one human body

[01:11:35] That kidnapped her help her and yeah, exactly

[01:11:38] That's the biggest hook the movie has that kind of ends up not really being with the movies about no

[01:11:44] But it is the tension I guess of the middle third especially the movie sure

[01:11:49] But but it's also a way for us to learn more about how everything works

[01:11:53] Right now the other big thing because that we got a big thing flashbacks, right? Okay, so there's flashbacks. I mean again

[01:11:59] Look props to M night. They're beautifully done. They're so menacing and odd. Yeah, they're really well done

[01:12:05] You got Brad Henke as well uncle

[01:12:08] I'm drafted first. We all remember him as a

[01:12:11] Tony bagel and draft a

[01:12:15] Yeah, bagel I think his name is like Tony big Ali, but they call my Tony bagel bagel big Ali

[01:12:21] Who's the dad?

[01:12:23] Sebastian I didn't recognize him our

[01:12:25] Ariequilis I

[01:12:27] Bagley recognized him. He's in house of cards. I see all right. All right. He was in a couple leftovers

[01:12:32] Yeah, all right. He's been so all the flashbacks

[01:12:37] Save for the last one all take place within one day of her life

[01:12:40] It seems yeah one traumatizing day of her life that starts with they're on a camping trip

[01:12:45] Right dad and her uncle and it's her getting lunch with the uncle and the dad and she's learning how to hunt

[01:12:51] It's set up in a very creepy way

[01:12:52] He's kind of using the Jonathan Demi tons of the lambs like staring down the lens the uncle shots are weird

[01:12:59] It's like this wide-angle lens and he looks kind of distorted. It looks gorgeous, too

[01:13:03] It's like this like really bright oranges in the you know

[01:13:07] Yeah, and it just it looks like a dream is the best way to put it

[01:13:12] It's hyper real and Bradley Henke's a big guy. I mean he's well cast

[01:13:16] That's kind of role Brad William. Hunky's always played

[01:13:20] Gentle giants or scary giants and in the opening scene he set up as sort of this funny uncle

[01:13:26] The dad's taking the piss out of him talking about shitting on him for his hunting thing

[01:13:30] This is clear hunting trip or the dad's trying to get the daughter and I would say at least initially

[01:13:34] I'm like, oh, are we gonna learn that there's something like that the daughter is some kind of a I don't know

[01:13:40] That's what I thought as well expert hunter

[01:13:43] Crazy like that they get she has her own psychosis

[01:13:46] That's not what I not what it turns out to be but I was thinking along the same line as we said

[01:13:52] You know both of us essentially that is she like a psychopath, you know, right something like that

[01:13:56] Yes, because we sat there watching this movie. I think both of us as you said we were not together no rejected me. I

[01:14:02] Didn't reject you. I was Benny

[01:14:05] Okay

[01:14:06] Doing so rejected me because I thought it would be fun to watch Ben's reaction and in reality

[01:14:12] I think it ended up being been watching my react. Yeah, it was still the whole movie

[01:14:15] It's definitely the other way around I was sort of just like that's usually like a pretty still

[01:14:19] Watcher of things thinking about the great picture that I took of him at to Rook the first slide

[01:14:24] Sure, he's thoughtful, but then rogue one. He was like pumpin. That's your rogue one. He was he was all the way in yeah

[01:14:29] I was a pump. I was excited. I was doing well leave any alone. I knew that you see yeah

[01:14:34] I know that's we're gonna go with Joe and Joe you went with your brother and Joe read Joe read was there Richard Lawson

[01:14:39] Was there right? I didn't want to make Ben have to see split alone

[01:14:43] No, I appreciate that hey anytime by that's what made sense, but I wanted to get it

[01:14:47] I know right here for the calls. It's fine

[01:14:49] Yeah, and then with these flashbacks we learn

[01:14:53] That it's no the it's the uncle was abusing her

[01:14:56] You know right and so all the flashbacks are to this one day when they went on this hunting trip

[01:15:01] And the uncle sort of started grooming her

[01:15:04] Leading to this moment that is so upsetting and so disturbing and again very well done by Shyamalan

[01:15:09] You know look I certainly am fighting over whether or not

[01:15:12] I think it was the right move for him to do as a storyteller

[01:15:14] In terms of execution of what he intended to do exactly it's beautifully executed

[01:15:19] The uncle is hiding behind a rock. He's naked. Yeah, and he's like let's be animals

[01:15:24] animals don't wear clothes while you're wearing clothes and it's like without

[01:15:28] Showing anything it tells you everything and it hit your stomach, but I will me

[01:15:32] I'm so this is where I'm like I just have that Shyamalan dread

[01:15:36] You know that I've had with so many news movies where I'm like yeah too much paprika

[01:15:40] He's yeah, this is I don't know if he can pull this off. This is really difficult stuff and

[01:15:45] He's you know, he's being Shyamalan about it

[01:15:50] Stop using fucking rape and

[01:15:53] I don't disagree with you

[01:15:55] But at the same time like this is a schlocky be horror movie and of course like those are such core tenets

[01:16:01] You know, I but I get both sides

[01:16:05] Like I've always been like

[01:16:07] You know, I don't think you can blame

[01:16:09] The artist for how people could misinterpret the message, right?

[01:16:14] If you're playing with fire

[01:16:16] depiction does not equal endorsement exactly which I think is a conversation that doesn't happen enough in

[01:16:21] Our culture today if something bad happens on screen people assume that the person likes that thing right and it drives me fucking

[01:16:27] insane movies should be allowed to be

[01:16:30] muddied and complicated and exist in gray areas. Yeah, and

[01:16:34] If you're fucking a literate person you can sit there and probably parse out the intent and

[01:16:40] You know, you can't really say anything of any value without actually delving into the dark side. Right? I think I agree

[01:16:50] but

[01:16:51] This gets into the sort of flockmeister thing of just like using pushing buttons for the sake of just like

[01:16:58] Playing the same thing, you know, you got to hit every key on the piano

[01:17:05] Especially when you're dealing with child sexual abuse, you know, amen and when

[01:17:10] You're waiting for like, okay, but this is M night. Is there some puzzle piece?

[01:17:15] Is there some reason why this experience is going to align?

[01:17:20] Perfectly with everything the movie was doing so that it results in an ending that couldn't have happened if this wasn't the case and

[01:17:27] Not really kind of you know

[01:17:29] I mean, he was always going to have her be traumatized in some way because the point of the ending is that in her

[01:17:36] The Beast sees a kindred spirit rather than something to go there. I don't know. I mean, that's where he went, you know

[01:17:43] So you're I mean, I'm not someone who watches a movie and says like I mean, this is a joke

[01:17:47] It's an old Scott Ackerman joke, but I feel like we've made it on the back as before it's like

[01:17:51] You know, you there's some detail about the movie

[01:17:53] You don't like so you're like, I like West Side Story, but like they have to dance all the time, you know whatever

[01:18:00] You know that's what's in the movie and I in general I agree

[01:18:05] That the shits a crutch a lot of the time your procedural TV shows your crime shows and especially your whatever. Yeah

[01:18:13] We're so often it's just sort of this tossed up excuse or whatever right? You know what I mean like oh

[01:18:19] And you know the reason this guy was is because blah and like you get one minute of time to

[01:18:24] Well, of course we all agree that's bad sure right, you know, it's like we all agree. That's bad and it's in a way to immediately register

[01:18:32] sympathy and empathy for a character and

[01:18:35] Also raise the stakes and like deep in the dramatic investment because now everyone's uneasy

[01:18:40] Yeah, it always gets you fucking emotionally ralda

[01:18:45] It's true or another that happens and that's a you know, yeah, right

[01:18:48] You're pushing a big red button and of course right. I'm not gonna you know be like oh

[01:18:52] Fuck her, you know, like yeah, it's like it's too easy either

[01:18:55] It's gonna get the response they want out of you or you're gonna be angry that they used it in abusive way

[01:19:00] You know in a cheap way either way no one sits there and goes like oh

[01:19:03] You know it's like it's always so I would say yeah

[01:19:06] This is the end this is the thing but then the unbreakable twist

[01:19:09] Again because I realized we were just playing in a different pool. I was like oh, okay

[01:19:14] And maybe I'm a big asshole for being like here's a big scene. I want to talk about okay

[01:19:20] I know we're jumping around but well, I mean movies done pretty much just survival

[01:19:23] I mean it's her trying to get out and she there's some great

[01:19:27] Miniature scenes, but we can't do them all like you know, but there's lots of good scenes and Maccabees always great

[01:19:32] You know, if you listen this podcast you saw this movie this weekend

[01:19:35] You don't need us to fucking do this not so let's keep on talking about these things, right?

[01:19:38] Okay

[01:19:39] So the scene for me all these flashbacks happen on the same then the flashback that happens. I think right after she gets out

[01:19:46] Right she watches the video of his video diaries you see bits of some of the other personalities. She's smart

[01:19:52] Oh, she sees the keys. She finds it

[01:19:54] He's turned into the beast at this point

[01:19:56] He goes to the train station with the flowers which is what he's trying to reenact his father

[01:20:01] Yeah, and then once on that's what activates this final transfer right and he's on the abandoned train

[01:20:07] And then he takes a train and his muscles get he sort of grows like he's mostly

[01:20:14] Just acting I would say there's not too much embellishment. I agree. They CGI like veins on the CGI some blue veins

[01:20:20] But I mean apart from that he doesn't really actually look that different. It's not like he hulks up

[01:20:25] No, yeah, I could have used the horn or two

[01:20:30] Alright one

[01:20:32] Or two

[01:20:34] He comes back now he's the beast and now he's climbing the walls that's a pretty good image agreed pretty fucking scary

[01:20:41] Also, he eats people's time. He eats their tummies up

[01:20:46] Yum yum yum. Okay, so I have a lot of things to say delicious tummy. Do you think that he eats their personalities? Thank you

[01:20:52] Yeah, isn't that the idea that's okay. Does he yes?

[01:20:56] He says that multiple times like that the week will be more personalities for him

[01:21:00] So do you think that that is all he has ever been I don't know

[01:21:05] I mean like is this like a siler in the heroes where he had to eat their brains to get their powers

[01:21:11] Yes, I don't know like you think like is he not someone with disassociative identity disorder

[01:21:15] But someone is he essentially the cannibal version of rogue. I don't think so

[01:21:18] I think that I think that you know what I mean by the cannibal version of rogue

[01:21:22] I do know what you mean by the cannibal version of road

[01:21:24] Usually she did not retain the powers only Miss Marvel she held on to one

[01:21:29] But I remember that time I was talking to you about Dark Phoenix Aga. Yeah, and that's what I know

[01:21:34] It's a story really quick. I think you've told it on this podcast before have I really yeah, I'm pretty sure

[01:21:38] About Malani I got fired off Malani the sick

[01:21:41] I'm pretty sure you've told this David Texanine said how are you feeling and I said well when the show wasn't picked up

[01:21:46] It felt like I was psyched pops and the show was Jean Grey and my girlfriend died

[01:21:50] And now it feels like the dark penis saga where my girlfriend's come back to life

[01:21:53] She wants to kill me and you said

[01:21:58] We should be we should this is why we should be this is why we should be

[01:22:02] You can drop that reference and I'm obviously completely understand

[01:22:07] We don't know how once before that we don't know at the one time

[01:22:11] Los dos amigos

[01:22:14] So split but

[01:22:16] No, the way and I only saw the movie once and I saw it a few days ago

[01:22:20] But I'm pretty sure that the logic of the film is the beasts whole

[01:22:27] What's the word

[01:22:29] Position I'm looking at platform. Okay is we need more personnel also person

[01:22:35] Of course he's running on a person it's platform. We should mention that if only we had a person

[01:22:42] We do not yeah, no bets. This is gonna be a no-bits present

[01:22:45] I'm sorry you were saying the beast yeah is that we need more personalities

[01:22:48] The idea and we and we hear overheard that he has been stalking these women for weeks

[01:22:54] Claire and he was like blank vassals. He needs that yeah

[01:22:56] He wants essentially who he thinks are it's like he there's a word he uses work

[01:23:00] Yeah, but I mean, but it's there's another like less where it's like the unclean the untainted or I don't know like yeah

[01:23:07] There are a lot of like there's a lot of

[01:23:10] Cavulery in this way the horde is a thing that he's brought up the horde is like okay

[01:23:14] That's shorthand super villain name. Yeah, well becomes a super villain

[01:23:18] But early in the film you're first like the horde are all fighting over this

[01:23:21] It's like okay. That's what he calls the Starship Dave inside of them. Yeah

[01:23:25] But you know, it's the idea it's feeding into the thing that I was already talking about that sort of like

[01:23:30] You know these these people in there pathetic suburban middle-class lives, you know

[01:23:36] There nothing to him. He might you know like that's right

[01:23:39] He's the next step in evolution so he's just gonna you know use them as

[01:23:43] Personality food so the personalities he has up until now are actual I believe so right there they are

[01:23:50] You know personas that he built

[01:23:53] In response to his traumatic childhood

[01:23:56] As a coping mechanism, but now from here on out his personalities are gonna be

[01:24:01] Souls he eats rich sacrifice. I don't know it's like it's it's but they're like sacrifices

[01:24:06] They're like food like I don't know if they're gonna then hang out in his brain

[01:24:09] I don't that's what I'm asking look. He doesn't say he's too busy being like

[01:24:13] Doesn't the movie drops a lot of shit eat some time in like that. Yeah, it's some tummies now

[01:24:18] We see a very brief shot of a tummulous corpse. I believe it's

[01:24:24] Right who's white? It's the other one but then Jessica Sula Jessica Sula, but then

[01:24:29] I'd say the one jump scare in the movie is

[01:24:32] She opens the door and hail Lou Richardson's lying on the ground

[01:24:35] She goes come on white we need to leave right now, and then there's a get pulled she gets yoink

[01:24:39] But it's sort of a mild jump, but yeah

[01:24:42] Yeah, but it's the closest thing to like a conventional jump, but it's not like one of those jump those those kinds of jumps that you see in the movies

[01:24:48] Where they get pulled back by a super like you know they get like whisked back with super net like it just seems like she's getting pulled back by a person

[01:24:57] So

[01:25:05] He waited for me to put my headphones. Yeah, I

[01:25:09] So so everything is going to shit. She's the one who survives

[01:25:14] He's chasing her she ends up in a cage

[01:25:18] She thinks he's about to

[01:25:20] Yeah, she's got a shotgun. She shoots at him. Okay. Well, wait a second

[01:25:24] Eddie Buckley comes down there right Betty Buckley comes down there in an attempt to

[01:25:29] Fix this problem. She's developing right so she's talking to Dennis and

[01:25:34] About halfway through her conversation with Dennis she realizes like this be shit is for real and how does she figure out that that?

[01:25:41] The other guy is actually Dennis playing the fashion guy. Um, well there's

[01:25:46] We almost forgot about it. I mean can't believe we almost forgot about yeah, you remember now which thing

[01:25:53] M night

[01:25:56] He was so funny cameo

[01:25:58] He's done a true friendship

[01:26:01] As I believe he's called Hooters lover in the credit his character name is Jai comma Hooters love

[01:26:09] Yeah

[01:26:10] Where she looks at the surveillance footage afterwards of him leaving her office with Jai who is yeah

[01:26:18] Pizza delivery guy or something. I can't remember. Maybe he's like super and but he loves hooters

[01:26:23] They talk about Hooters

[01:26:24] And she sees him walk straight through the garbage and she realizes like there's some overturned. Oh, she's like

[01:26:30] Oh, that's too cute like people would walk around garbage. He's trying to act like he doesn't care

[01:26:35] Yes, and it's too obvious

[01:26:38] Quite a clever little yes. Yeah

[01:26:42] But yeah, no, and then she figures out it Dennis and she talks to Dennis in her office

[01:26:46] He admits by flattering him

[01:26:48] That's when he tells him the beast thing all of that

[01:26:49] You know the idea we begin to realize is that Patricia the nicer one is kind of like a fanatic like she's sort of almost like a

[01:26:55] Religious type. She's a zealot exactly and so she believes in the beast as well just sort of in a sort of a different way

[01:27:00] Sure, and yeah, somebody buckley goes down there realizes that he is he is kidnapped people right and

[01:27:08] Starts a plead with him like this is no good. Yeah, and then tries to get out of there stuffs a handkerchief

[01:27:14] Into a door so the door can be open the lock will never activate

[01:27:17] And and then he just grabs her and put her around to know he kills her

[01:27:23] And grabs her and he squeezes her. Oh, right. Yes. Yes. That moment's actually very good very effective

[01:27:28] Very very good death scene. Yes, but that's after she sees yeah, she opens the door

[01:27:33] She's seen the time right she tries to get him out. Um

[01:27:37] Boy, but yeah, and so yeah, but at that point

[01:27:42] Briefly after that that causes oh

[01:27:44] Well, she writes his real name down

[01:27:47] Say his name right and she so annie Taylor joy says his name which is learned earlier is like a way to essentially just sort of

[01:27:53] Set off chaos, right? It's weirdly it's bye-bye man

[01:27:59] And so that was a topical joke for you. Thank you. Yeah really top. So do I get any points? Yeah, you get five topical points

[01:28:07] It wasn't fun. Bye. Bye. Yeah. Bye. Bye Benny. So so

[01:28:12] Barry briefly emerges the real Barry and just says to annie Taylor joy he sees like the Betty buckley's dad

[01:28:18] Yes, and says just kill me. Just just kill me. There's a shotgun here

[01:28:22] Just kill and he goes it's still like November 2014, right? And she's like no and he's like okay

[01:28:26] I haven't been controlling a long time

[01:28:27] I don't know what the fuck's going on, but I know it can't be good kill me right the fuck now

[01:28:31] Yeah, and so she gets the shotgun in this showdown where he is the beast and he's chasing her around

[01:28:37] She shoots him it doesn't kill him

[01:28:40] No, and you think he's like he comes up to the cage and he's like prying the bars open

[01:28:45] He's there all bloody now I have to pause I have to pause there a few things we have to talk about

[01:28:50] Before gang to this moment because they're things the films have set things that the film all right what what?

[01:28:56] Okay, one is that scene where he's saying please shoot me please shoot me plays like a fucking wolf man scene, right?

[01:29:02] It's that sort of horrible. Yeah, right. I can't believe it. I've done these things. Yeah, right

[01:29:06] I have no control over this. I know I can't control this you have to take me out

[01:29:11] Which then gets into kind of a dark Phoenix?

[01:29:13] Yes, kill me Scott and that's why we're friends

[01:29:16] and

[01:29:18] David just a lovingly smile

[01:29:20] But I could barely see the smile from behind the microphone

[01:29:25] It's playing with this being more of a sort of possession

[01:29:29] Than a mental illness well because well, but it's well Dennis and

[01:29:34] Patricia they're not good right right, but it's like if he hasn't been in his own brain in two to three years

[01:29:41] You know this goes beyond

[01:29:43] This is when I thought that we're gonna make it very clear that like okay that diagnosis was a hundred percent wrong

[01:29:47] This woman's a quack and we had the same previously of her Skyping into the psychiatric conference

[01:29:51] Everyone being like what's your proof and she's like dogs react differently

[01:29:54] Yeah, she gives this sort of thing or it's like well

[01:29:56] Some people did like one of their personalities has diabetes in the other well

[01:30:00] That's actually in the movie

[01:30:01] But like one of their personalities has like high blood pressure and the other does not you know

[01:30:04] Right, how do you explain that?

[01:30:05] And it's that thing he's doing like in the visit where he's taken no get a science and you know

[01:30:11] Spun it into an extreme version right so like he's trying I feel like have his cake and eat it too. Oh

[01:30:17] Oh my god, David's showing me the panels from the dark. He's trying to have his cake needed too because it's like if you're gonna play

[01:30:24] This fast and lose them

[01:30:25] Why don't you just explain that that isn't what is going on here that that it was a misinterpretation

[01:30:29] Any way that this track with the idea if you want more exploration. Yeah, all right. Okay. Yeah, that's fair

[01:30:35] I mean yeah, you have to sort of pick up on the world building at this point

[01:30:39] Yeah, no one sits down and says I wasn't well

[01:30:41] Hey, I got a question. How is he getting away with living in a zoo?

[01:30:45] Well, he works there's the maintenance guy and they just don't check the basement at all

[01:30:48] Why would you check that basement with flame? Okay, so wait, that's the okay fine

[01:30:53] This is the other important thing I need to bring into the picture

[01:30:56] Before we talk about the last five minutes of this movie. Okay, the final two flashbacks

[01:31:02] All the flashbacks have taken place within the one day within the camping trip

[01:31:05] the second to last flashback is

[01:31:09] Taking out a shotgun pointing it at

[01:31:11] Yeah, and not firing right but he takes it back. He takes grabs it from right

[01:31:16] You go like that's kind of weird. That's kind of ominous. Now suddenly there's a shotgun

[01:31:22] Well, they've been a shotgun in every other scene. There's I mean a weapon hunting right now

[01:31:26] I'm saying now suddenly back in the main time line. Okay. Okay. Okay. She said the name he goes

[01:31:31] Please kill me. There's the shotgun. She has the shotgun and you're like what was the mirror?

[01:31:35] Okay, what is he setting up here? Oh, is your twist hunting?

[01:31:38] You're okay, and then what happens carry on carry out. She shoots them twice. Yeah, and then okay

[01:31:43] Why what why was the final? Why was that flashback in there just to show that she knows how to work a shotgun?

[01:31:48] No, my guess is yes, and that it's also a trigger

[01:31:51] Because she does load and unload the shotgun with ease but no

[01:31:55] You know the end of the movie is that she's going to finally tell the police what her uncle's doing

[01:32:01] And so my guess is that this is where you know

[01:32:04] She now finally has the courage to defend herself

[01:32:07] That she couldn't have done when she was younger because like my

[01:32:10] Interpretation of the final shot of her that I don't think is a wrong interpret like I don't think it's like a wacky

[01:32:15] Interpretation building up the courage to say because the cops say your uncle's here

[01:32:18] Do you want to go? You know do you want to go get it?

[01:32:21] You know like which and she just doesn't say anything freezes looks at the cop and the cops sort of like hovers with

[01:32:26] Like a concerned look on their face and you're you know

[01:32:29] She's going to say I'm like I'm not safe with him

[01:32:32] Okay

[01:32:32] So at this point in the film James McAvoy has been trying to chase her down and biting her leg

[01:32:37] Ripped off her clothes so that many of the various layers. He is wearing have been revealed

[01:32:42] Well also now we should say Dennis's whole thing throughout the movie has been like if something gets dirty take it off

[01:32:48] Yes, so Haley Richardson has to take off her sweater. She's wearing nothing but a bra underneath her sweater, right? Jessica

[01:32:56] Sula has to take off her

[01:32:58] Her skirt and so she's just wearing like underwear like you know both of them are lightly, you know

[01:33:05] Lightly clothed which is the first time and it's sort of like you know girl in a basement trope ship

[01:33:10] But I was credit does not do any of the you know gross torture porny stuff for a guy who's known as a horror filmmaker

[01:33:16] He is never before he's never been a sexploitative

[01:33:20] Director not even that the most basic trope which is like, you know crazy monster or person

[01:33:26] Yeah chasing scantily girls and they're unaware

[01:33:29] Dusty corridors, you know dark granny whatever final girls

[01:33:33] He's never been doing final girl shit

[01:33:34] And this movie definitely gets to this like kind of final girl showdown right where now her layers have been ripped off

[01:33:40] And you see for the first time he looks and there's a dramatic sort of

[01:33:44] She's taken off a lot of her clothes right throughout the movie

[01:33:48] But always to reveal that she has like another shirt on another shirt on below that like she's got a lot of layers

[01:33:54] So now we see that she has scarring all over

[01:33:57] On her tummy and on her shoulder and on her shoulder in several spots. She has pretty deep scar

[01:34:03] self-harm's okay

[01:34:07] Upsetting sure, you know

[01:34:10] Upsetting because that's upsetting if people do that, you know when people do that

[01:34:14] It's right feel for them

[01:34:15] Yeah, also upsetting because you're like you really need to play that card right now

[01:34:19] But that's the visual the idea is that that trips for him a recognition like oh you're not

[01:34:26] Whatever category those other girls were you know, like you are you're like me

[01:34:30] You're you've suffered so that makes you pure the only good people are the people who have experienced severe trauma. Yeah, right

[01:34:37] Okay, so he's a villain who doesn't like people who right haven't lived through terrible things

[01:34:43] Right, but people who have lived through terrible things right they were like gonna be in his army of the future

[01:34:49] Does she have any powers? No, you think definitively not yeah

[01:34:56] His reactions to her so strange throughout the movie even the way he just kind of doesn't notice her even in the immediate abduction felt like there was some

[01:35:04] Things she was putting out like the reason I noticed her is because he was stalking those two girls

[01:35:09] That's all I took from but then why

[01:35:13] She's like an unplanned variable for him

[01:35:15] He didn't really think about her like he wants those two girls right he'd been stalking them for weeks

[01:35:20] And the third one he just doesn't even care about it's just like well as the extra yeah, she just wasn't his plan. You know that I

[01:35:28] Felt like with the final reveal there was there's not there's no superpower here

[01:35:33] That's just his worldview. He's a supervillain. He's explaining his worldview. Okay, so yeah

[01:35:39] He's like Magneto. Well, that's but that's what Ben and I were saying after

[01:35:44] He's professor X in another movie

[01:35:47] No that he that he's like Magneto

[01:35:48] Yeah, that he's this purist who believes that only his species to survive and she is of his species

[01:35:54] Yeah in the sense that she is

[01:35:57] Traumatized right would he not

[01:36:01] Think that Bruce Willis should survive even though Bruce Wallace is also an evolutionary

[01:36:05] Well, this is superhero he's gonna stop him because he kills people

[01:36:09] Okay, but what about mr. Glass? What about mr. Glass?

[01:36:12] Would he not like mr. Glass because mr. Glass wasn't physically or sexually abused the best of our knowledge

[01:36:18] No, I have no idea mr. Glass doesn't come into it mr. Glass is another supervillain

[01:36:22] This isn't a world about his

[01:36:25] Supervillainy it's a world that supervillains exist in like just because Magneto exists in the world

[01:36:30] Magneto and apocalypse don't have any

[01:36:33] Similar world views they just are villains in the same way

[01:36:35] I think what Griffin's asking is it's nature versus nurture so in like the Marvel Universe

[01:36:40] You have like people who are born mutants

[01:36:42] And then you also have sort of like older characters that like were exposed to radiation or space or spiritual

[01:36:49] Or you just have characters who are bastards who made a robot arm for himself exactly

[01:36:54] Right, so the two the two super characters and I'm breakable are born that way sure

[01:37:00] And the one character in

[01:37:03] Split who definitively has powers is sort of made that way sure whatever yeah

[01:37:08] He got his powers differently right, but she isn't even though she sort of had the same circumstance

[01:37:13] He doesn't have any superpowers. That's what I'm saying. So why so she doesn't have powers

[01:37:17] What's the movie fucking saying is he a dude who was born as some weird evolutionary?

[01:37:23] Super villain origin story he is unleashed and one hopes in unbreakable to he will do battle

[01:37:31] With David Dunn did he get that power because his mom beat I don't know that's not what I'm interested in that's what I'm interested in

[01:37:38] Okay, I was asking a lot of fucking big questions out there tying her into the unbreakable universe

[01:37:42] Which has one very clear way that these fucking people exist no

[01:37:47] Born this way no in unbreakable the idea that's so amazing and fascinating about unbreakable

[01:37:52] Uh-huh, which is a different movie. Yes, is it Samuel L. Jackson has decided

[01:37:57] That this whoever this person is whoever you'll find right would be his polar opposite right because he he's decided that all

[01:38:04] Superheroes super villains it's all duality right and like yeah if there's an unbreakable

[01:38:08] If I'm the most breakable man then there must be an unbreakable man

[01:38:11] Right and that person would be my super villain, but Samuel L. Jackson is not super powered

[01:38:16] He has a real condition and he's just a crazy person in a wheelchair and the movie ends

[01:38:22] With that statement because he you know Bruce Willis is walking away from this guy being like oh

[01:38:27] No, what a bad person right right, but that movie, but he's like a Lex Luthor

[01:38:33] Yes, this is not a Lex Luthor

[01:38:36] No, this is a super kind of super person right but that movie presupposes that

[01:38:41] I just what do you a comic book universes can have all kinds of different origins and behaviors and you know powers

[01:38:50] You can have people who don't have powers but want to be villains anyway

[01:38:53] Or yes, they can let's talk about the weird unauthor or orthodox construction of this universe

[01:38:58] Okay, he makes them we for Disney in 2000. Yeah, it's viewed as maybe a double at the box office

[01:39:04] Makes a hundred mil these days and probably be viewed as more successful back at the time expectations

[01:39:09] For the hype of the sixth sense it suffers right, but then quickly

[01:39:13] Revaluated well liked film right it grows in hype

[01:39:16] Yeah, you know it gets a kind of cult following that grows and grows and grows especially as his career kind of

[01:39:22] Nose dives people start to go like oh, maybe that was the best one. You know that was the one we kind of slept on

[01:39:27] Absolutely, I think yes

[01:39:28] Yeah, and then for years people keep on going like hey, why don't you make a breakable sequel?

[01:39:33] Want you to make and he always says I'd love to and Bruce wants like there that's always the line

[01:39:37] Okay, now four or five years ago

[01:39:39] He starts saying like you know

[01:39:41] I might do something but if I were gonna make it on the breakable sequel it would be an unconventional sequel sure you start saying that a lot right

[01:39:47] He at Universal in

[01:39:50] The late 2000s when he made devil that was part of a shingle he had set up called the night crime

[01:39:55] Yeah, that was going to be him coming up with ideas that other people direct right horror movies

[01:40:00] Produced sort of like a twilight zone in cinema form

[01:40:03] He'd give them the logline you go here you go and then other people would write it up you would direct it

[01:40:07] He'd produce it and it was okay tails from amni Sean Lanz mine

[01:40:10] He at that time said that he was going to devil was viewed as a disappointment his name drew such derision

[01:40:17] Okay, Karen. What is all important?

[01:40:19] What did he say they canceled the rest of that deal

[01:40:21] But he had said that one of the films he was gonna make under the night Chronicles was

[01:40:25] What was originally his idea for unbreakable two that he had now turned into its own

[01:40:30] That must be this one assume has to be this because what he has now said never say has to be but go on

[01:40:36] I went down the rabbit hole deep left him

[01:40:39] He has said that he came up with this idea 15 years ago

[01:40:43] In an interview where he didn't spoil the unbreakable thing. Yeah, this is the longest idea

[01:40:47] Sure, sure, I had this idea for this character as a supervillain who would be the supervillain in unbreakable two

[01:40:52] And then when I thought I'm breakable to wasn't gonna happen

[01:40:55] I toyed around with why like this character

[01:40:57] Set up so what if it's now the girls in the basement? What if it's not about Bruce Willis stopping him?

[01:41:01] What if it's that as a horror movie from the perspective of the cap?

[01:41:04] Yeah, yeah, and that's that's the movie he made. Yeah, okay

[01:41:07] Right and has sold it as not being a sequel to unbreakable right which now is retconned into being

[01:41:13] It was always a sequel to unbreakable baby

[01:41:16] I know it always was but you watch the movie not knowing that until the right until the music

[01:41:21] You do know at which point my brain fucking flipped out

[01:41:23] I know that we should say the James Newton Howard score to unbreakable starts to play over he escapes

[01:41:30] Yes, and you see a TV report. That's like he's got multiple personalities before that

[01:41:34] He's in the mirror and he looks at the wounds on his chest

[01:41:37] Yeah, well it wounds right and he goes like they hit me but it didn't go through right stronger

[01:41:41] It works and at that moment

[01:41:43] He's giving this kind of evil villain speech like Samuel Jackson at the end of unbreakable James Newton Howard's theme plays

[01:41:48] I turned to ban I like my my brain starts like yeah catching on fire

[01:41:53] I mean it's literally like a robot. I am less familiar

[01:41:56] I guess with the score than you because the minute the score started

[01:41:59] I immediately was like wait a second

[01:42:01] I know this music and was sort of racking my brain like the fuck is this music?

[01:42:05] This is a song I know and then five seconds later. I'm like this is the unbreakable me right

[01:42:11] That's like square from breakable is probably in my like 25 on I could I listen to it a lot

[01:42:15] So I recognize it immediately and I turned to Ben and I was like shaking and my head was spinning

[01:42:20] But I was like so doh, and I was just like this is the score from breakable. What the fuck is he doing?

[01:42:25] What the fuck is he doing? What the fuck is this is the score from breakable?

[01:42:28] And that was what and I was like I guarantee you this is the score from breakable

[01:42:33] Then the movie ends it says split mm-hmm you go weird ending mm-hmm, okay

[01:42:40] You're surprised. I mean I was surprised that he escaped. Yeah, she was gonna kill right

[01:42:44] So it's like okay, so just ends with him looking and like there's also that scene like we say where it turns out

[01:42:49] They're in the zoo and she gets rescued by the cops in the cops. I want to talk about that once

[01:42:53] I'm gonna loop back around because that's my biggest gripe at the movie, okay

[01:42:59] Says split and then we cut to a diner where there's a news broadcast

[01:43:03] Talking about this man, and now suddenly they're talking about him in very straightforward superhero villain terms right where it's like

[01:43:09] 23 personalities in that 24th that is supposedly an amalgam of the animals in the zoo

[01:43:13] Yeah, they call him the horde right so he's essentially animal man sure but a crazy version of animal man

[01:43:19] Sure, DC Comics, right?

[01:43:20] Right is animal man as a super villain who is he's also like Legion who is right the classic version of the

[01:43:26] Quote-unquote multiple personalities that multiple powers whatever which is about to be a show on FX indeed

[01:43:32] Which is gonna be interesting to see is a counterpoint to this movie

[01:43:35] Don't say that how much of it if you watch

[01:43:38] You also didn't like Fargo. Okay, so I don't like this. I'll take that with fucking 15 grains of salt

[01:43:44] Fargo is so good. Yeah, one of my favorite TV shows of the decade

[01:43:48] Way worse than Fargo

[01:43:50] Okay, then maybe it will be

[01:43:52] One of my 20 favorite shows of the dead. It's really bad. It is to me what this move what you think this movie

[01:43:58] Yeah, don't don't do that. You don't like Fargo though. I'm taking with a grain of salt

[01:44:03] You're wrong and dumb dumb poop dumb fart fart diarrhea dumb

[01:44:07] I'm not wrong people will figure that out pretty quickly never diarrhea far break

[01:44:11] um

[01:44:12] diner

[01:44:14] This man who calls himself the horde zoo animals this and that and some ladies like that sounds like that guy in a wheelchair

[01:44:20] 15 years ago remember that movie that touchstone pictures release. I think it grows like 98.7 domestic

[01:44:28] But what did he call himself he gave himself a weird name. Oh, Karen pans over who's there?

[01:44:33] David Dunn our old buddy Bryce Willis reprising the role of David Dunn

[01:44:37] You know, he's David Dunn because he's wearing a shirt that says done on it. He's wearing his like his blue collar uniform

[01:44:43] Yeah

[01:44:44] Not the poncho. Nobody's wearing like his security guard uniform sure and he says mr.

[01:44:49] They called him mr. They called it mr. Class

[01:44:52] Now I love him break was you know

[01:44:55] One of my favorite movies I spent years hoping he would make a sequel before I got to the point where I went like

[01:45:01] You know what I don't trust em night the movies better as it is left alone

[01:45:06] Like the movie with him fighting mr. Glass could never be as good as the implication

[01:45:10] The idea that's presented at the end of the movie, you know

[01:45:13] Don't make it don't touch it and then now he's done this backdoor thing which is like oh here's an unbreakable cinematic universe

[01:45:20] Here's a character I sit up in his own independent movie his own unbreakable with the promise of I guess

[01:45:24] I could then make a movie where the two of them cross paths

[01:45:26] Does em night just keep making movies introducing new characters on breakable versus split so my question to you is

[01:45:35] Because there was a film that em night said he was going to make they announced with Bruce Willis a

[01:45:40] Routime with Bruce Willis of which very little was known and that sounded like it was gonna be his next movie

[01:45:45] And then that got pushed back for split sure do you think that movies unbreakable? Yes, two in disguise

[01:45:50] Here's my thing what I think he's doing here. I'm not Shyamalan is no doubt a

[01:45:55] Man who is very interesting in the marketing and selling of his movies

[01:45:59] He's always been from the beginning and takes a vest from the get go takes a very vested in the advertising

[01:46:05] In the box office returns, you know blah blah blah blah and my guess is he realized here's how you do it

[01:46:12] You plant the seed with this movie see if you get you know the reaction you're looking for which is essentially people being like oh

[01:46:19] Shit, you know I definitely watch that or I loved unbreakable or whatever, you know

[01:46:24] Okay, and then with that freight train of hype plus the hype that I'm not Shyamalan is used to generating with his twists

[01:46:31] You can be like well here it is folks Bruce Willis and me back together again fighting James McAvoy

[01:46:38] There you go. Okay unbreakable versus the horde so film nerd question for you that has no bearing on the quality of the film itself

[01:46:44] But I think is worth discussing. Uh-huh

[01:46:47] In that situation if that's his plan that this was to test the waters and see how people reacted to it, right?

[01:46:52] Yeah, and when I was talking about the movie to

[01:46:56] John Trowbridge yesterday. I said it's weird because

[01:47:01] It actually it's a different type of twist ending than I've ever seen a movie have totally

[01:47:06] I've never seen a movie do this before a movie that's done something like this word essentially in the last scene

[01:47:12] Announces you that it's part of another cinematic universe, right?

[01:47:15] So you now have to review the film through the prism of knowing what you know about that previous movie

[01:47:20] Not that it changes the events of it, but it changes the meaning of the events in a way, which is very interesting

[01:47:25] I mean, it's it's it is audacious bold audacious

[01:47:29] And I will say it's a thing

[01:47:31] I used to fantasize about as a kid like I'd sit around and be like

[01:47:33] What are cool things you could do in a movie that no one's ever done before?

[01:47:36] Yeah

[01:47:37] And one of them was like what if you made a movie that was secretly a sequel to something else

[01:47:40] You didn't know until the movie. Yes. I always thought that was a cool idea

[01:47:45] I'm

[01:47:47] Conflicted about what it means for the movie

[01:47:50] Now

[01:47:51] Like I will certainly say I was very excited by the end

[01:47:55] Mm-hmm. I don't know if it strengthens them movie. I think it totally strengthens movie

[01:47:59] I was before then I was basically like look love Shyamalan's again visual storytelling

[01:48:05] Wouldn't arresting movies sure a lot of interesting elements

[01:48:09] What a good performance from McEvoy and Taylor joy and Taylor joy and everyone really does a good job

[01:48:14] But the two of them are especially they are and like I'm you know and then oh

[01:48:18] I don't know about that twist it feels a little too on the nose

[01:48:20] It feels a little silly for the subject matter weird that this is ending in such a pat way yeah

[01:48:27] You know I saw that happening. I'm not so shocked that he would do something sure um and like but I'm like

[01:48:34] Essentially, I'm thinking like okay

[01:48:36] You know I've maybe you don't feel about quite as passionate as I did about the visit right but uh in general

[01:48:42] I still think like good Shyamalan's kind of found his mojo again with this sort of it

[01:48:47] I like the visit a lot. I mean I like to visit more than this one. It's right just that okay

[01:48:51] I thought you said I maybe I don't feel as passionate about it as the visit I

[01:48:55] Thought you said you don't maybe you don't feel as passionate about it. So anyway go on. I'm sorry

[01:48:59] No, you know but in general and then the twist happens and I love all the implications

[01:49:04] I love all of the audacity of it. It helps me deal with some of the more

[01:49:10] Problematic elements of the movie because I'm like oh, I see we are in a very heightened world here

[01:49:15] Sure, but then the hand wave that makes the problematic stuff more palpable is just going like well

[01:49:20] He's using tropes of a world where yes, they don't care about things and nothing really means anything. So who cares? Yeah, I

[01:49:26] Don't know if I'm cool with that all right. I am it's 2017 like I don't know if I'm it's 2017

[01:49:32] That's your excuse. That's your argument here. Yeah, I just think I'm not a cultural responsibility

[01:49:37] And representing anything on screen now, you know and I think you're like I am very suspicious of that argument that there is

[01:49:45] You're suspicious of that as an argument in what way?

[01:49:49] That every movie needs to be a perfect depiction. I don't think that I don't think that visit

[01:49:55] Here's the thing. I don't think that I don't think every movie needs to be a perfect

[01:49:58] Has always had schlock that confronts issues in gross or unprofessional or weird ways

[01:50:03] Yeah, and you know all kinds of people find all kinds of comfort in that like you know like there's always been genre

[01:50:11] There's always been a spectrum of taste and like there's always going to be movies on extreme ends of that taste

[01:50:16] I mean fucking L man like there's all kinds of movies that came out this year that do not depict these things with a

[01:50:23] sensitivity or grace or you know

[01:50:27] What's the word scientific?

[01:50:30] Full scientific understanding right you know argue that L is

[01:50:34] Trying to wrestle with those issues in a way that you can find problematic

[01:50:37] That's fine rather than this movie which is using them as a plot device. If you don't like that, that's fine

[01:50:43] But I just don't think every movie needs to obey some sort of laws

[01:50:47] I don't I don't I don't think that right but I do think I don't think every movie has

[01:50:52] Responsibility to represent everything in the most humane balance way, right?

[01:50:57] I think you're allowed to show people being bad. I think you're allowed to show people being bad and not

[01:51:02] Take that to mean that it is symbolic

[01:51:07] People like this are like this person right right yeah like dumb and dumb and doesn't argue that all white men are dumb

[01:51:13] I don't know I might argue that but well

[01:51:17] Independently, I think all white men are dumb especially the two of us Ben smart. He's our finest home career, right?

[01:51:22] Who's dumber? Oh?

[01:51:24] Me no absolutely no question you came out fucking idiot. I'm the dumbest person in the world

[01:51:30] Yeah, but but the difference is that there are five bazillion movies yeah about

[01:51:38] People like Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels so you don't view that in a microcosm

[01:51:41] You're like well these are the only what you're saying 30 something white guys have ever seen the movie

[01:51:45] So I don't think that all white guys are dumb right

[01:51:48] But you go like DID is not a thing that's in fucking movies

[01:51:51] Unless it's in this situation unless it's like fucking raising can whatever what about fuck of the United States of Tara

[01:51:57] One other no there's others with multiple personalities

[01:52:01] That's like people will play to that dirty pool forever and the

[01:52:05] Happening since before DID was a diagnosis the point is that the pool is always dirty

[01:52:10] That is always either played as a joke look how crazy they are. There's a horror movie. Look at how scary they are right

[01:52:16] Yeah, I'm sorry

[01:52:19] Let's start home. I'm holding my hands up and go and come on look

[01:52:21] I don't want to be too mean on this podcast

[01:52:24] So I'm not gonna really go further on this but sure there are groups that are

[01:52:29] Representational like you know that you have to think about in a really serious way, but DID is a really obscure odd

[01:52:36] Thing like it's not like there's

[01:52:38] You know that makes it all the more because it is so obscure to the argument is fair

[01:52:44] I

[01:52:46] Just be like like I just think of someone having DID now and being like like I remember being okay

[01:52:51] Go ahead. Yeah, I remember being in college

[01:52:53] Uh-huh and in a class our teacher saying that he you know was on the autistic background

[01:52:59] Sure, and someone in class went like oh like Rain Man

[01:53:03] And he like threw his book down and he was like not like fucking Rain Man it sucks

[01:53:07] You know born in 1980 do you understand? I mean especially with something like that

[01:53:11] Sucks when there is a definitive cinematic. Yes version yes of your illness right which split now is

[01:53:22] Dr. Jekyll and mr. Hi there are so many

[01:53:25] Dr. Jekyll and mr. Hi is about someone drinking a potion

[01:53:27] I'm aware that that's what it's about that doesn't mean I've got some movies to throw at you guys

[01:53:32] Please go ahead myself and Irene yeah, I mean Jesus Christ

[01:53:36] There's so I think false this is the category of what I'm talking about yes

[01:53:38] But like I'm just saying you're saying this is some

[01:53:41] Fight club yes, there's so many versions of this in movies. It's a fucking

[01:53:47] Choke in the world

[01:53:49] Or it's a fucking joke right but you're you're nailing split to the wall and like I think that's

[01:53:55] Because it's the most reason one and I wonder we should know better at this. Oh, I would say also TV show

[01:54:01] Mr.. Robot this is this robot which did this fucking bullshit last year drove me crazy

[01:54:07] But it drove me crazy because it was lazy story

[01:54:09] Yeah, yeah, because it was I mean it was so lazy that they pretended to know that they were just doing fight club again

[01:54:15] And I was even more mad because they played fucking wears my mind, you know

[01:54:21] I know mr. Robot when they reveal the twist twist they literally do what I didn't see it

[01:54:26] You didn't see mr. Robot. Well, I haven't seen the second season yet

[01:54:28] The first happens in the first season when they reveal the twist they which is the fight club twist

[01:54:33] They literally play wears my mind well fuck that's so hard exactly fuck that so incredibly hard

[01:54:38] Can I throw up my final thing about them? I don't think your thing is what you're saying is like out of out of line

[01:54:43] I'm more just we're not I mean look, you know, we're spirited people you and I I we're not actually fighting

[01:54:49] And these are fucking arguments like these are arguments interesting arguments

[01:54:52] I am more on going this way. I am much more distressed by the depiction of you know a sufferer of child abuse

[01:55:00] Okay, so that's the final point I want to get to.

[01:55:02] Then I am by you know a more nebulous sort of like you know there are a lot of people who might see split

[01:55:08] Who have suffered abuse at the hands of a parent and might find that the film is a little flip to use

[01:55:13] Flip in how it deals with them right but these are also people who have watched a lot of things that are flipping about

[01:55:19] Yeah, I'm not saying splits

[01:55:21] Absolved but it's not an uncommon truth. I don't know if there's a lot of people who have

[01:55:25] Disassociative identity disorder who are gonna go see split

[01:55:28] But when you're saying the like a lot of you know a lot of people who have seen things like this being flip about stuff

[01:55:34] Right, that's where I brought my opening point of like if someone showed this to me on a VHS and said

[01:55:37] This is a weird move. I get your point in 19 right right it would it's I go like well

[01:55:41] We shouldn't make that today, but obviously for what it is. I guess it's well done right

[01:55:46] But today it's just like well at what point do we say you can keep on doing this just because a lot of people have

[01:55:51] Done it and it's already been done. I don't know probably forever

[01:55:54] People are always gonna they're gonna try and find new angles on the old shit right? I don't know yeah

[01:55:59] I mean that's what he's doing look if if they had explained that James McAvoy drank a magic potion

[01:56:04] I'll adopt your Jekyll mr. Hyde. I mean that's all they go halfway to explaining that way

[01:56:09] And I thought they were gonna go there and if they went there I would have gone awesome cool thumbs up

[01:56:13] So wait, but you're down with that section. All right. Yeah, what do you say?

[01:56:20] It doesn't matter your only problem with split seems to be that it is problematic

[01:56:23] No, that's not my only problem. Okay. I it's your only argument

[01:56:27] You've been making the whole pack because I think that's the most pertinent thing to talk about

[01:56:31] But but what else?

[01:56:33] I mean look a lot of is I need to see it a second time you do because I was so thrown off by

[01:56:39] How differently it played out than I thought it would right and I was

[01:56:44] Leaning forward my chair the whole time trying to figure out like where the fuck is this going?

[01:56:47] Where's the twist gonna be? What's he gonna do? How's he gonna pull the wool over my eyes? Yes

[01:56:50] Where the misdirect I want to watch it now knowing everything. Yeah, there were some stories on things

[01:56:55] I came and verbalized where I was like that's sort of an odd choice. I

[01:56:59] Think I mean Joe Reed was sort of vaguely seemed to be talking about this as well

[01:57:03] I although we didn't talk enough for me to get his whole opinion on it

[01:57:07] No, I said I can't verbalize because it wasn't like I was watching a scene and going like ding ding ding

[01:57:10] This doesn't work

[01:57:11] But I was watching and just going like somehow it feels like the gears aren't totally click here's click for me

[01:57:16] Sometimes they did clickity-click sometimes they did

[01:57:20] Here's my final point I want to make

[01:57:22] Uh-huh and this was the moment in the movie that kind of ticked me off the most

[01:57:27] The final flashback as I have been hinting at okay

[01:57:31] All the other flashbacks to place one day the one camping trip

[01:57:35] The final flashback takes place at funeral or father's funeral

[01:57:40] Presumably sometime later. Yeah, the father has died

[01:57:42] Yeah, oh, this is that thing and a heart condition runs in the family. What can you do about it?

[01:57:47] Well now you get to come live with me and you're gonna be a nice girl, aren't you?

[01:57:50] And from there on out the movie not makes it clear. Oh, this is not someone who was sexually abused

[01:57:55] Right, who is continuing to suffer abuse. Yes

[01:57:58] Feels incredibly cruel to put that on the fucking character when the movie functions just as well

[01:58:04] You know I get what you're saying if it hasn't been systematic

[01:58:06] But I mean I think like I say I think the arc he's decided to tell here is you know that this is the transformative

[01:58:12] Experience for her to break loose right so he makes a

[01:58:16] Bargain with the devil essentially yeah, which is in order to get the payoff where the girl gets to finally take control and

[01:58:21] Fight the demon head-on. Yeah, I can't make it that for the last 12 years

[01:58:26] Whatever it's been 10 years. Let's say 8 to 10 years. Yeah, I know I don't I don't disagree with you

[01:58:33] It's I mean talk about a cat like you know trying to cash a check that bounces and again for me if I was someone who yeah, I mean

[01:58:41] Yeah, I think I would find that a tough pill to swap feels like a mean thing to do to your character

[01:58:48] Amen only so that you can be like ah, but look at how it all comes full circle. It's true

[01:58:52] Let me make it in the last five minutes right?

[01:58:55] Let me suddenly reveal this character has suffered a thousand times more than you already thought he had

[01:59:01] He's he's not he likes this

[01:59:03] I know I mean lady in the water acute children's fantasy is about a man whose whole family was murder in front of which is crazy

[01:59:12] A career being a doctor because you could never recover. This is something he does over and over again

[01:59:17] Like I mean even signs like even the more muted versions of the trauma

[01:59:23] He can't get over it. They always have a thing they can't fucking why wide awake

[01:59:29] Like even though that's just a grandfather

[01:59:32] Every one of his movies has something that someone I'm trying to think I mean I guess the last airbender

[01:59:37] Apart from that. Yeah, he can't get over the fact that he he's the last airbender

[01:59:41] Yeah, and that he's not gonna have a he does it like a skull house. He was like frozen forever

[01:59:46] He doesn't know anyone anymore. That's his trauma. Yeah, so I don't disagree with you that yeah, it's it's it's brutal and

[01:59:54] Look too much for peeking the same

[01:59:57] Yeah, I think that's a very kind of way of putting it

[02:00:01] Okay, well that has been in my trouble in split he really I wish he made a movie every week that we could talk about I did too

[02:00:07] I mean really cold for a few filmmakers more fascinating to delve into them. Yeah, and he lays it all out on the table

[02:00:15] You know yes. Yes good and bad. It's all sort of there. There's a lot to pick at and

[02:00:22] You certainly never watch one of his movies and don't think about him

[02:00:25] Um, yeah much like Hitchcock you feel like okay this guy's his hands around my shoulders

[02:00:32] Yeah, you know I'm aware of who's making this film

[02:00:35] And what agreed which I love. Yeah, I do too. Yeah

[02:00:38] Look, I'd rather watch a bad a night shaman movie than a good

[02:00:43] fucking

[02:00:44] You know

[02:00:45] What's his name? I'm trying to think of any number of indispensable directors are not dispensable disposable directors

[02:00:53] I was gonna say John Walls

[02:00:57] Damn John Wells is really he's crying that guy's a TV director

[02:01:01] He does what I'm saying like a a

[02:01:05] Totally got your mean and of course I agree with you

[02:01:07] I'm always ten times more fascinated to see a witch house ski movie or a shaman movie

[02:01:12] Even if it's a failure or a mixed bag like this is then I am to see a really well done

[02:01:19] I'm trying to think of the perfect example

[02:01:22] I was gonna a Lassie house room joint. I don't know that's to be too bad

[02:01:27] Yeah, well and also dogs purpose is turning out to be its own

[02:01:30] Happening with dogs purpose man. They were drowning dogs. Can I throw out?

[02:01:35] Can I throw out a potentially controversial opinion very quickly sure?

[02:01:40] After I was the controversy I know I need to balance the skills a little bit

[02:01:44] That scene where they drown the dog and dogs purpose which for those of you don't know dogs purpose a bullshit movie

[02:01:50] That's coming out and like some dog in a week about a dog keeps on dying game regurgent carnated is a different dog

[02:01:55] But always sounds like Josh Gad and Tyrion monologue

[02:01:59] Footage leaked out from the set of the movie where they were trying to make the dog swim in fake rapids and

[02:02:04] And and the dog looked terrified. They essentially drowned the dog in order to get the shot and

[02:02:09] The dog went underwater and they had to swim in and catch it

[02:02:11] It was like it horrible traumatizing footage, right? They didn't kill the dog

[02:02:14] No, no, they didn't but they they put the dog

[02:02:18] No, they were inhumane in their treatment of the dog to try to get a shot of the dog looking like it was in danger

[02:02:23] Fucked. Yep, it's fucked. It's fucked and scary to watch. Okay, I only got revealed because of this viral leak

[02:02:28] Okay, so this is my potentially

[02:02:31] Too hot to handle take do you know when that was shot?

[02:02:35] October 2015 who's this fucking good Samaritan whistleblower who filmed that on the day and decided to wait until now to release it

[02:02:43] I don't know man, and maybe he knew it pop

[02:02:45] You know a week before release. Yeah, isn't that a little bit fucking opportunistic to be like when can I get the most press traction rather than like

[02:02:52] Hey, how do I make sure that the people but it cuz for the last fucking year and a half?

[02:02:55] Yeah, this company that does that's fair stage animal argument is your right

[02:03:01] You're not stopping anything in the bud. You're just penalizing the box office receipts of this movie

[02:03:06] Which is sure penalize this movie. I don't fucking give a shit

[02:03:09] But also what's the actual problem here shitty dog trainers stop them immediately

[02:03:14] I

[02:03:15] Agree, but at the same time we live in a viral era

[02:03:18] I agree whoever leaked the video fuck you for doing it now

[02:03:22] You're a shitty person

[02:03:22] Don't think you're a fucking hero if you were a hero you would have released it a year and a half ago

[02:03:26] I hope are one of our listeners writes in and reveals that they were the one who leaked the video

[02:03:32] Well everybody this has been our very heated episode

[02:03:37] Yeah, it made two million yesterday pretty good. It's pretty good, and I think triple X

[02:03:43] Return of Xander cage did 1.2 it did

[02:03:46] Hearing a lot of things about that one some people are going with the no no no real fun Donnie Yen crazy stunts like what a blast

[02:03:54] And then other people like what no these are shit like huh like

[02:03:58] I'm gonna see this weekend

[02:04:00] I'm sort of excited to see it like after real

[02:04:04] Dip in interest. I rebounded a little bit. I'm like, yeah, sure. Why not give me a give me a go around with old

[02:04:09] Xander cage

[02:04:10] I like the Vin does these where the world franchises that it's unified don't disagree with that don't disagree with that

[02:04:15] I think that's true. I mean even like spectrums of sexuality, you know, yeah, he's got Ruby Rosen there

[02:04:21] Yeah, I love it for sure. I like Vin

[02:04:23] I'm gonna see this weekend a box office game here. Let's play it reverse. Here's my prediction. I think split does

[02:04:30] 28 million this weekend

[02:04:34] Right 25 or somewhere and I think the returns into cages 19

[02:04:39] Yeah, I was happy to see that ice cube return. Yeah me too

[02:04:44] And I think I think hidden figure has a good hold that'll make like 17 that that movie is a goddamn freight train

[02:04:50] Yeah, I think hidden figures and triple X are gonna be neck-and-neck. La la Land will make like 13

[02:04:55] Yeah, that one will make like nine or ten, you know, right?

[02:04:59] It's getting close to dethroning dark night as the I think the sixth highest person

[02:05:03] It's already dethroned finding Dory which everyone forgets is one of the ten highest grossing films ever made ever made

[02:05:10] ever ever made it's crazy that finding Dory came and

[02:05:15] Everyone saw it literally everyone everyone met in a big meeting room. I was there you were there

[02:05:20] We all went and we said let's never discuss finding Dory again ever. Let's never talk about no one invited me

[02:05:25] No, you weren't there. Yeah, you were sick that day. I

[02:05:28] Like finding Dory more than most people and I never think about finding my bro. Is that a fish movie?

[02:05:33] It is yeah, my problem with finding Dorian Astazio directed it

[02:05:37] That's what you mean. Yeah, my problem finding Dorie is that the ending did not work for me and I was so hyped for it

[02:05:42] I like the very ending

[02:05:44] I like the last line the last shot, but I think the final the I mean stuff escape stuff. Yeah

[02:05:51] I think it's all though. I give it like a second point five seven

[02:05:54] Right, I can well three definitely helps if you're rolling. I bet right yeah

[02:05:59] Yeah, well you gotta drop drop your being there. It'd be fucking you gotta drop your being

[02:06:03] Yeah, I got that being get some boo balls

[02:06:06] Oh, it's so good

[02:06:09] I don't know how I so happy he made it. I'm so happy

[02:06:13] He's

[02:06:14] Good again. I mean like you know what I mean? Yeah, I like fucking last airbender and after earth look like shit

[02:06:20] That's the thing. I'm just happy makes movies that look good like

[02:06:23] So much shit. I'm happy about um

[02:06:26] Just stop putting yourself into that and that interview with after earth

[02:06:30] I think it's Mike Ryan where Mike Ryan says like, you know as their views and he says are people digging it

[02:06:36] And your heart just kind of breaks for the guy. Yeah, even though you're like I mad at him for making a movie

[02:06:41] God

[02:06:43] I'm yes, I'm happy. He's back and look dude's got amazing crap, right? And it's exciting just to see him

[02:06:51] Get back to basics crafty crafty focus up, you know, I think he's better when he's pulpy

[02:06:59] I think he's best as sort of a beef filmmaker and

[02:07:04] Brings me to a quote. I want to read

[02:07:07] To conclude this episode please an interview that Evan sat off at birth movies death did with Shyamalan back at

[02:07:14] Fantastic Fest when we first screened which let me just say hey good job those guys not revealing this Swiss

[02:07:19] Yeah, because they all saw it in fucking September. No one revealed it

[02:07:25] Real kudos, yeah

[02:07:27] He said it slightly a topic

[02:07:29] But it was also cool

[02:07:30] So you do found footage in the visit this point your career price makes it different and nail it was exciting for a lot of

[02:07:34] His fans to see and Shyamalan's responses. I love it

[02:07:38] I'm so weird that way the bigger the movie the more money you spend you just start to lose your

[02:07:42] Dot dot dot there are so many directors who are so good at that like Spielberg and Cameron

[02:07:46] Obviously Cameron's the king of what can you do if you have more for me? It's always the reverse

[02:07:51] What can you do when it's just you and me in this hotel room?

[02:07:53] And it turned out this is the opening scene of a movie and something goes on and you and I figure it out

[02:07:57] Right, right now we did this mini series on him with this thesis of kind of like this guy got doomed by feeling the need to live

[02:08:04] Up to the expectations of what an M night Shyamalan movie was make them bigger and bigger and bigger

[02:08:07] And so often gotten his own heck. Yeah, and so often I feel like people we cover on this podcast

[02:08:13] We're either gonna be people like Spielberg or Cameron who are masters of the craft and their peaks and valleys

[02:08:19] But they kind of stay at a similar status and they're all yeah

[02:08:21] They want to have the biggest projects available to them right making yeah or people who kind of knows dive at some point

[02:08:27] Whether it's the Wachowskis and they know dive in terms of commercial viability

[02:08:30] Even if the films are still good Cameron Crowe where it's both. Yeah, where Shyamalan where it was like kind of back and forth on the

[02:08:36] two

[02:08:36] It's rare

[02:08:38] Although we always want the uplift at the end to see someone get it back

[02:08:42] It's rare that that happens and the reason at the time we were like such a weird odd duck movie

[02:08:46] It's found maybe it's anomaly. Maybe he's not back

[02:08:49] It's one of those things where you're like, yeah

[02:08:50] Are we just judging this on a different scale and it does you know

[02:08:53] It just looks better by comparison or whatever. Yeah, whether or not I like

[02:08:57] Split and I really don't know yet four stars number one of the year so far

[02:09:02] It's the second best movie I've seen what's the other one bright lights starring Carrie Fisher and Debbie Reynolds

[02:09:07] I count as a movie. That's my number one splits number two though

[02:09:10] Right now my inclination is it's right in the middle of my pack and my Shyamalan rating. That's probably

[02:09:15] Well, yeah, it's probably the same for me. It's below the big three for me. Yeah, that's where that's where it is below the big three

[02:09:22] Yeah, you know what the big three

[02:09:24] Lady in the water no

[02:09:26] Six cents the village and the visit. Yeah

[02:09:31] Yeah, no six cents on breakable on the bill. Oh, I thought you liked a breakable last night

[02:09:34] I think I like a lesson you but I still think it's a good move. Yeah, I mean I'm breakable six cents

[02:09:39] village visit

[02:09:41] Lady in the water I

[02:09:43] Probably like wide awake more than I like this

[02:09:49] I'm a sap. I'm a goofball and I'm a contrarian throwing everything in the garbage

[02:09:54] Hell's yeah, I have pinion. Yeah

[02:09:58] It's nice to see him kind of get his group back. Yeah, where even if I promise with this movie

[02:10:03] I do think it is the type of movie you should be making

[02:10:07] you know and

[02:10:09] It feels like you know, he's gonna continue on that track

[02:10:12] So it's it's a nice, you know who says in her second line acts an American good for you M night or just a night night

[02:10:20] Well, you know get on that reddit someone already started a thread of her blanky

[02:10:26] reactions to split

[02:10:28] I'm sure it's gonna be popping the next couple days. The hot spot on the internet is gonna be the blankies

[02:10:33] Oh god, we gotta wrap this up. We've been going for way too long go there

[02:10:37] Right there next week review subscribe next week pop me if you cast we finally the last new mini pod

[02:10:44] Jurassic cast it's happening. Yes an episode recorded months ago. God. When did we even I don't even remember it was so long ago

[02:10:51] Forever ago, but I'm excited to hear it me too

[02:10:54] But yeah get ready for that we got a whole miniseries pretty much in the can

[02:10:58] It's coming at you and you're gonna get blank check without interruption despite the fact that I'm gonna be

[02:11:03] Work only boy interrupted. I'm gonna be boy interrupts. You get movies that fucking you bullshit job of

[02:11:10] Precuring mental illness. I've never seen it

[02:11:12] Never seen it

[02:11:14] Thank you

[02:11:17] Oh my god, you already said that shit goodbye and as always oh

[02:11:21] And as always and as always we have a very special treat for our listener

[02:11:25] Oh, yeah, and as always here we go Ben

[02:11:28] Ben Hosley had not seen the trailer for split for seeing the movie hadn't seen anything knew nothing other than it was multiple personalities

[02:11:35] You saw the post 23 personalities about 24 and then two days ago

[02:11:40] Record a very special segment of on the record

[02:11:43] What he tried to predict all?

[02:11:46] 24 person it's long we're laughing through most of it

[02:11:54] Hey everybody

[02:11:56] Yeah, that's not good intro. I don't know

[02:12:01] Perfect this will be hilarious to drop in damn it. Hey everybody

[02:12:04] This is time for the part where Ben makes predictions on the film split right so we're cutting to this

[02:12:11] Yeah, we're gonna drop this in it is Wednesday

[02:12:14] January 18 holding up a newspaper

[02:12:17] Yeah, can you hear it?

[02:12:20] And that's the newspaper Wednesday January 18 now David has seen the movie split

[02:12:26] I did I saw it last night Ben and I will be seeing it about 24 hours

[02:12:29] hence correct we'll be recording the episode two days from now and

[02:12:33] Ben has not even seen the trailer for the movie all he knows right he hasn't even seen the

[02:12:37] Seen the trailer because the trailer gives away at least three of the personality 24 personalities

[02:12:43] It's about a man who has 23

[02:12:46] In one body because he has a totally real disorder that is not fake and

[02:12:52] The 24th is about to be unleashed now Ben what are some predictions that you have for you don't have to do all 23

[02:12:59] But some of the let's let's try to get 20 just gonna throw out some of the choice or

[02:13:03] Prediction okay, and I guess I'll make a noise and I'm gonna make a noise if he's closer far

[02:13:09] So right off the top of course you're gonna have a little baby boy

[02:13:13] Oh

[02:13:14] Okay, then you got southern effeminate gentlemen just like oh child. Let me tell you gonna be just fine

[02:13:21] He can't get you to great angry young man. Oh fuck no one gets it three

[02:13:27] All right excited creep. Hey girls. How you doing?

[02:13:31] For okay very lonely

[02:13:37] Sounds like

[02:13:43] For David burn this is not my beautiful house

[02:13:47] Not my beautiful wife. All right closing argument lawyer now you see

[02:13:52] That's why I kidnapped you

[02:13:55] seven dog

[02:13:56] root

[02:13:58] Wet hippie

[02:14:04] Soup Nazi no soup for you bro

[02:14:13] Tom waits

[02:14:19] Great well slam poet

[02:14:30] The thing is that you are now my

[02:14:34] girls

[02:14:37] I can't hear you

[02:14:41] Post game interview

[02:14:43] Yeah, but the thing was I was really like just working up a sweat out there. I was trying to do my best for you

[02:14:48] I hope you like this caged-in room you live in now

[02:14:53] Personality is a state

[02:14:56] post-game interview

[02:15:02] That's 15 15 well I say oh well I say now fagal, you know fuck horn leg horn

[02:15:07] Right just fuck horn like 16. Oh, I'm done. That's it. No, you don't got more come on

[02:15:12] Been giving up on a bit. That's a classic

[02:15:15] Closer to 16. I know there is all right fine. Oh fuck

[02:15:20] I'll give you a hand. You've only gotten like one

[02:15:26] Maybe think a little more basic

[02:15:29] Oh, man, I'm fine like you know, maybe he's like sort of cranky. He's like but I don't wanna

[02:15:34] All right

[02:15:37] Great

[02:15:40] It didn't run again the cats like fell out of the car all at the same time

[02:15:47] the car exploded

[02:15:50] Everyone inside is dead

[02:15:53] Come on then six more God. All right fine. This is a catastrophe 24 is a gimme

[02:16:00] Six more

[02:16:02] All right

[02:16:04] Well, hey, I'm

[02:16:07] Just looking for my mama. No, that's like the baby boy

[02:16:11] Is even going on too long on this podcast nothing can be short

[02:16:15] That was 18 Ben come on. Okay fine. How I'm a Native American

[02:16:29] Thank God there is no characters like a black guy or whatever

[02:16:37] Okay, I

[02:16:39] Like that doesn't happen and four more or more. Okay, you can use I caramba if you want. Yeah, oh

[02:16:47] So out of breath

[02:16:49] Running funny great

[02:17:00] Okay, and then lastly, ah wow what a restful day I've had 21 you have two more

[02:17:07] Just do two more just do two impressions, okay, do your best impressions do my best impressions. Oh or she a great big person

[02:17:20] Buffalo Bill right one more your second best impression

[02:17:25] Fuck I don't have a come on you got I got something I got something

[02:17:31] Take his face off

[02:17:34] It's it's Nicholas just the 25th and and then the beast do the beast and the beast is like

[02:17:41] You know, he's like hey, what's up on the beast cool great. Wow. No that has been Benny on the record

[02:17:48] Wow, I can't believe this. What was that 25 minutes? That was a long six minutes

[02:17:55] Boy try cut that one down if you can I think so I think I'm gonna lose a few of them

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