Starman with Katey Rich

[00:00:00] Blank Check with Griffin and David Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect Blank Check He has traveled from a galaxy far beyond our own. He is 100,000 years ahead of us. He has powers we cannot comprehend.

[00:00:32] He is about to face the one force in the universe. He is yet to conquer. Podcasts! What's the real love? Love, not kissing? He does conquer kissing. Can I read the other taglines for this movie because they're fucking good? You can. They're good.

[00:00:53] I guess there's just one other. The other two posters have the other tagline which is, In 1777 Voyager 2 was launched into space, inviting all life forms in the universe to visit our planet. Get ready. Company's coming. That makes it sound like a much wackier movie, right?

[00:01:11] That makes it sound like a weird family is en route or when I'm like, Uh, get ready for Starman and Star wife and Star child. Yeah. Right. So there are two posters that have that tagline.

[00:01:24] One of them is like them holding hands and the star in their hand. And the other one is sort of the classic teaser poster where it is just John Carpenter, Starman. The logo is the falling comet.

[00:01:36] And then the sort of like, uh, I don't know, the night sky? The house off in the distance? With the one house with the lights on. It's snazzy. It's a fairly snazzy poster. It's a compelling image. They had a good little, um, you know, like you said,

[00:01:52] the comet logos, that's pretty, that's pretty snazzy. It's good. I don't know. I do, but it does feel like they're straining a little bit to explain what, what's good, what to be excited for, right? Right. We're going to talk about it.

[00:02:04] The one that read that I read, I think is good. I think does a good job of that, but it also looks like they took the iconography of the other poster and they just kind of like poorly photoshopped in bridges and Alan because

[00:02:19] they needed to put some faces on the poster. Like they want to show the hotties. They don't look great, although they are hotties and they're hotties. We do have to acknowledge that and I am looking respectfully, but, um, you know, also the blues, the lights, the

[00:02:35] ET comparison is right there. ET also has, you know, this, this movie is just, it's just struggling to be like, well, this one's about love. It's about like grown up love, you know, it's, that's what I feel like they're trying to do, trying to get out

[00:02:49] of the ET shadow. Yes. Um, the, uh, what should I call it? The image that has been used for most home video releases of the movie or at least modern home video releases, like the DVD and the Blu-ray is so aggressively bad where

[00:03:01] it's like just a Jeff Bridges head, headshot, but then there's like red lines going through his face and it has a logo that makes it look like it's a Glenn Larson TV show and then there's sort of a silhouette of him running out of the fire.

[00:03:15] Like it makes it look like such a junkie action. It looks like even six million dollar man or whatever. Yes. Sure. Like even with the title too, it just seems like a bootleg almost like a bad translation of another movie.

[00:03:28] My Blu-ray has, Griff, I don't know if you have this Blu-ray that, you know, it's just like a sort of silhouette and he's in front of a planet. Right. That's the shadow factory one. Yeah. Which is a little better, although still like a little

[00:03:40] dorky looking, but you know, it's fine. It's a dorky movie. In that, in that Blu-ray one, he's got this smirk on his face that like makes it look like he like set the fire that he's walking Karen out. Yes, it does.

[00:03:50] He looks a little malevolent is what you're, you know, yes. It's kind of indicative of his performance, which we'll talk about where like that is kind of a face he would make in the movie, but it makes no sense in the context of this bad Blu-ray poster.

[00:04:01] The red makes no sense. Red is not really a color in this movie. No. It's very, it's like an American flag kind of vibe. It's weird. You say that David, but you're in front of a bright one from this movie. That's true.

[00:04:13] Well, that's true right at the end. Yeah. No, that's true. That's true. It's a lot of blue, but yeah. Yeah. You're right. You're right. You're right. He's got that red hat. He's got that hat. He does have that red hat. He wants to make America great again.

[00:04:26] He wants to make Earth great again. Oh no. Red car. He does want to make America and Earth great again for the right reasons. We're talking about the star man. That's what we're talking about because this is a blank check with Griffin and David. I'm Griffin. I'm David.

[00:04:41] I'm David. I'm David. I'm David. I am David. I am David. It's like the... Yeah, you got to be really nuncy. You got to chew on those words. And his mouth moves too much when he's speaking. It's like he's talking, but his tongue isn't moving somehow.

[00:04:55] It's just his lips are moving over his teeth or whatever. It's the exact opposite of like a modern Billy Coke gruff Jeff Bridges where every line sounds like he's chewing on a tin can. Right. You're under arrest. Yes. What a guy. What a guy. He's still out there.

[00:05:11] I guess he hasn't made a movie in a few years, but he's still out there. He's been fighting cancer unfortunately. Yeah, David, wait to bring the mood down. Wait to bring the mood down. Sorry. I know. The last... You want to come in and drag Jeff Bridges for

[00:05:24] taking some time off from work in order to take care of his health. I'm not dragging him. I'm just happy he's still... I mean, you're not dragging him on hand. I'm just... I mean, his last performance was Bad Times of the El Royale, which he's great in. Yeah.

[00:05:41] He's really good in. Correct. And that was just a couple... Yeah, yeah, Jeff Bridges. He's just still giving us... He'll come back. Anyway. I believe in him. He was also working so much. He was in four... Well, no, I guess it's three movies in 2017

[00:05:55] and then a documentary where he did the narration. He was looking a lot first. He was putting in the post Iron Man and then obviously he wins the Oscar right after Run There, where he... The Grizzled Bridges run is like a good solid 10 years.

[00:06:10] Well, he has that amazing moment in 2010 where Jeff Bridges in the fourth decade of movie stardom suddenly has the number one and two movie at the box office over Christmas. Like he's like a Mr. Blockbuster. And everyone was like, wow, Jeff Bridges has got

[00:06:26] a Mr. Statesman role in Tron Legacy. And then it's like, he's the thing that everyone likes in Tron Legacy and then Trugrit outgrows his Tron Legacy. Yeah, Trugrit makes like $150 million. $170. Crazy. It fucking cleaned up. That movie is so fucking good. So good. I've seen it five times.

[00:06:47] It's better every time. It's one of those movies where it's just... If any other director had made it, it might be one of their best movies. And then someone's made it and you're like, is it top five for them? I'm not even sure. You know, like...

[00:06:59] And it's so good, but we're not here to talk about it. Do you just remember that fucking Tron Legacy is like so hyped up, so expensive. And then instead it gets fucking suplexed at the box office by a different Bridges. Two good movies.

[00:07:14] What has two Bridges is in Tron Legacy and then the third Bridges comes in to sweep it all under the table. There are three Bridges at the top two of the box office in December 2010. We didn't know how good we had it.

[00:07:25] Then he had a run obviously of like RIPD and The Giver and Seven Sun and all these kind of like failed blockbuster cash in movies. And then he fucking comes back with Hell or High Water and everyone's like, oh right, our favorite actor. Have another Oscar now.

[00:07:40] Have another one. Casually another one. Six or seven? How many is he up to at this point? I think he has... I got it pulled up. Seven. Seven nominations and one win. He's got his third, right? It's his third and it's 10 plus years into his career.

[00:08:00] And it's the one where he's like, I finally felt like I belonged in Hollywood. I'm like, oh, NOM3 is where you really settled down. Child of... Not best type of Bridges. Lloyd Bridges didn't make it happen. He's like, I was Lloyd Bridges' kid.

[00:08:15] Like I was in my head about that. But like that's why I was a success. Right. It was like I was a handsome kid and I was given shots because my dad put me on the TV shows and I don't really know if I'm actually good

[00:08:26] or it's just like, hey man, I don't know. Didn't he reference like Sea Hunt in his Oscar speech? Like I remember him making the joke about being on that show a lot in that Oscar season. Yes, he definitely did. Sea Hunt. Yes.

[00:08:41] I should mention this is a podcast about filmography's directors who have massive success early on in their careers or given a series of blank checks to make it over crazy passion products they want and sometimes those checks clear. And sometimes they crash in a hollow comet.

[00:08:54] Baby, this is a mini series on the films of John Carpenter. We're talking Starman. John Carpenter's Starman yet another movie that is marketed as John Carpenter's blank is crazy how early that became a thing in his career and how long it retained.

[00:09:11] Yeah, I think we say on the Escape from New York episode that that was the first time and it's the third time. Like, yeah, Halloween is the first time anywhere. The thing I just vividly remember is that Escape from New York has it in the opening credits.

[00:09:26] Like that's the title card. Yeah. And Starman definitely has that too. It does. It becomes his brand. And it's the font. Like it's the same font as all the other ones, right? Yeah. And there's like the anecdote that's interesting that our researchers, JJ and Nick, pulled up

[00:09:46] that they were like worried about putting John Carpenter's before this movie because they thought it would give people the wrong idea that they would think it was too much of a horror movie or an action movie or what have you.

[00:09:57] And they did market research and overwhelmingly people were like, no, that just makes me think it's going to be a good movie. I have no specific genre associations. It seems like a stamp of quality. And Carpenter was like, that's like, that was the most validating thing I'd heard

[00:10:10] my career up until that point. That's pretty cool. Because he's really, I mean, it's a good movie. It's a good movie. It is a good movie. It's a great movie. It's a good movie. I think it's, I hope I'm not misattributing this,

[00:10:24] but I feel like one of the many pieces that Drew McQueenie has written about Carpenter and his love of Carpenter is friendship with him or whatever. The first time he met him and was like falling to him and Carpenter said, what's your favorite movie of mine?

[00:10:38] And McQueenie said, Starman and Carpenter smiled and said, ah, a romantic. And I always think about that. It's such a sweet little anecdote, but this idea that Carpenter sort of like tests his fans to be like, are you a softy? Like, do you like Starman?

[00:10:53] Right, because he probably gets a lot of a thing in Halloween in this case in New York. Right. Our guest today, a superstar, a heavyweight, a star woman of blank check from Vanity Fair and little gold man, Katie Rich, back on the show. Hi guys. To everyone's delight.

[00:11:12] Hey, Katie. What's this? You're one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Seven. Wow. You just had that right ready. I'm so honored. You got the, you're at your Bridges number. You and Bridges are tied Oscar nominations and blank check appearances. I do consider myself in a similar company

[00:11:31] with Jeff Bridges. Well, I'm just constantly in competition with Richard Lawson, who I think is always a little bit ahead of me, but you know, we have to keep that rivalry going to keep our podcast going. And we're going to have a little break

[00:11:41] and then we'll be back in a couple of minutes. So thank you for joining me. Griff, there's a blank check Wikipedia page for the five timers club, which is a seven person list. I just closed my eyes. Imagine the burnished wood, the burgundy robes, Paul Simon serving drinks.

[00:11:57] Okay, go on. Name the people, the members and attendance. Emily, Emily, Richard Lawson, JD Amato, Katie Rich, Joe Reed, David Erlich and I just on the show. Two actors have appeared in five or more films covered by the podcast. Okay. And those are the most frequent?

[00:12:16] This is what you're about to read. That's what, I mean, that's what, I'm just going by the blank check Wiki. Catherine Hahn and Billy Crudup are in the five time actors club for this podcast, apparently. That can't make them the most frequent though.

[00:12:32] Look, I don't, because you think, because there's like sequels and things like that. I know. I don't understand this list because there has to be others, right? Like Johnny Depp alone and... Johnny Depp, right? Kurt Russell by the end of this. You guys are just thinking about,

[00:12:46] well, Depp is like, people were just like, oh, he's talking with Johnny Depp again. Where did these come up in other directors too? But even like... I'm seeing, this is citing a Reddit post that was noting that Crudup and Hahn had just, oh no, here's what it is.

[00:13:00] Five different mini series. Okay. There you go. That makes sense. That's tricky. That's a good stat. Hahn, she was in, how do you know? Brooke? I know because I watched the movie. Okay. Tomorrowland, Bird. I forgot she's in that one. Hotel Transylvania III. Of course. Of course classic.

[00:13:21] Not a mini series, but I guess you put it into the standalone series. Or Tartotowski. Whatever. We'll do more talk. The holiday. Oh, right. Right. And the visit, Shaman. Right. And then Crudup you've got... Well, let me, okay. Crudup's almost famous. Yup. Big fish. Or... Public enemies. Man.

[00:13:41] And then the other... The two are tricky. Yeah, this is hard. One's a voice role. One's a voice role. It's a voice role. A dubbed voice role. That's a hint. Oh, he's in one of the Miyazaki's. He's in Princess Mononoke. Okay. Right. And then the other is not,

[00:13:57] you know, it's a, it's not a director. It's a, you know, another kind of mini series we've done. But it's main, main feed, but he's not... You'll never remember that he's in this movie. No one remembers the movie. No. No one remembers that he's in this movie.

[00:14:11] I mean, he's like the 50th person in this movie. Sure. I can't even remember. It's Justice League. I do remember who he played. He's in Justice League. Right. And, and he's a Patreon Mission Impossible. Am I three? Yeah. That's an interesting, that's an interesting stat.

[00:14:26] Do you make this, he's in the Snyder Cut, right? He's, he is in the Snyder Cut. Oh yeah, even more. He's seen the Snyder Cut and he showed up in it. And I did not know he was going to be in it. And it took me my surprise.

[00:14:38] But he's not in Flash. He's not in the Flash movie? It's Ron Livingston is replacing him. Oh, they replaced him. Why? Because he was unavailable, they say. Hmm. I mean, they do, they do look unethical like. I think you can get away with that.

[00:14:53] There's a similar winsome charm. Yeah. Can I tell you guys something I'm learning from this page though on Wikipedia? I think maybe Rich is the only member of the club who has never appeared on a blank, blank check special features episode.

[00:15:05] Yeah, you don't live in New York City. Come through. I gotta come to you. Are you guys still doing those only in person? Trying to do them more in person. We've been doing them in person again because we can do them. But yeah, you know, yeah.

[00:15:21] The other thing is I will say we have increasingly gone into the past. We can do them in person. And I think we're going to be so much more more, you know, more of a guest list on those like because it just, you know,

[00:15:35] it felt like people like we have guests almost every episode on main feed. They ask for the classic. Right. Right. And next time I come to your apartment, David, I am just going to start monoling about a movie and you have to record it.

[00:15:47] I'm just going to force my way on there. Please. Well, there's also, I feel like we have internally pitched. I mean, I'm not sure if it's a movie that he picked. I thought you guys are going to road trip down here and you reached it on my.

[00:15:59] That was the plan. One of so many things. There was this pandemic caused by the novel coronavirus. But Katie, if we did a commentary episode, a Charlie's choice with Charlie, how many, how long would he make it? I mean, there's a reason I'm pitching commentary rather than

[00:16:15] classic format because I imagine they're watching a movie. Right. But like, could he, could he make it? He would definitely sit through it. I don't know if he would talk much because he usually sits and watches movies and kind of like wrap silent. Respectful. I was,

[00:16:31] I was coming ready with some mind blowing information for the long time listeners who are members of Charlie appearing on the Titanic episode. He started kindergarten last week guys. Sure did. It brings me no pleasure to report. I know it is wild. That is,

[00:16:46] that is some wild passage of time. I'm not sure if it really is. Cause you were saying right before we recorded that this is your third pandemic episode, which is its own kind of scary passage of time thing. But to think about him being an infant.

[00:17:01] In that studio. Yeah. He was younger than my daughter is now. He was only like four months old. Like three months, three months old. Yeah. Really, really tiny. No, he, he's got his spot reserved. I gotta,

[00:17:15] I'm just going to keep you guys posted on when I feel like I'm going to be in a moment and get on down here. I asked David for the, for the update every once in a while, but I want to ask you directly if asked tomorrow,

[00:17:25] what do you think his pick would be? I mean we just picked Coco back up like after a long time. Like we, we watched it like every day when he was little, like two and then we hadn't watched it in ages

[00:17:36] and he like picked it to watch himself the other day and we watched the entire thing and like I cried at the end and I was like telling him where I like it. And so like, I feel like tomorrow it would be Coco next week.

[00:17:46] It could be an episode of octanauts. I don't know if you guys accept that as a, as an entry for, not accepted. I'm not dealing with a fucking octanaut. Cannot log it. Not going to happen. This is a conversation I've been having with David. Like David,

[00:17:58] do you realize you're in your final stretch of not having to give a shit about like Paw Patrol and stuff? And he's like, well maybe I avoid Paw Patrol. And I'm like, you avoid Paw Patrol, you get PJ Masks. It's not, No, you get,

[00:18:09] you get the Netflix ecosystem where it's like dubbed French Canadian like shows that barely exists. Some of which are not so bad. I will say, and David knows about this, that we went through a strong detective Pikachu phase earlier this year. So I feel like we could,

[00:18:22] Yeah, you did. And it's, it's treasured. So I feel like we could pull that off if we, if we played our cards. Okay. Yeah. I just know he goes through, he goes through obsessive phases that he'll like rewatch a movie compulsively for a month or so. Yeah.

[00:18:36] So I'm always interested in what the movie of the month is. Yeah. He went through like a big soul thing too. Right? We got really into soul for a long while around the neck amount. I mean, sing was huge.

[00:18:46] I'm worried about the seismic impact sing to is going to have on our lives. Does he know about sing to like, Yeah, He knows that Bono plays a lion and he gets the hand in the billing. Yeah. No. And then that is an original song and it's probably

[00:18:59] going to go win an Oscar for it. So we're ready. We've prepared on it. Bono is waiting for that Oscar. Bono keeps plugging away. He's going to win two Oscars this year. He's going to win supporting actor and original song. Wait,

[00:19:12] supporting actor for saying he's going to be the first voice actor to win an Oscar. Correct. He's ready. I just love like they're sort of like gauntlet throw of and Bono where you're like, Whoa, wait a second. I didn't even realize that was part of the equation.

[00:19:28] And they're singing. I still have a phone I'm looking for in the trailer. So it's like here's old Bono and new Bono. And he's doing like a real voice. He's doing like a zoo TV. Like he, but that's the thing. Bono loves to do a character.

[00:19:41] He'll do a bit. Yeah. Clay Calloway. This is character name. Does Sam, Katie has another son. Oh, does Sam, is he as movie centric as Charlie? Cause I feel like Charlie right. Charlie really likes movies. Not at all. He'll watch like two things on Netflix and

[00:19:58] then otherwise we'll like go do whatever he wants. But Sam seems like a more physical, more physical, more interested in like doing whatever else. But because of sing, Elton John's I'm Still Standing has been like in the rotation for years. And now that is Sam's favorite song,

[00:20:13] even though he's like not really seen sing, but he just knows the song. So like we're on like your three of I'm Still Standing just like on a loop all the time. But he has watched Rocket Man, right? That's the other thing.

[00:20:23] I've shown them the end of Rocket Man. You love Taren. Yeah, no, well, Taren's a voice and sing. That's how it all ties back together. He sings I'm Still Standing. So yeah, so have me on the sing Patriot episode. I think is what I'm going to wait for.

[00:20:34] Sing three so we can do that. Did someone real make sing? Yeah, that's the things. Garth Jennings, Hammer and Tongues. Yeah. Yeah, you like wonder about like, oh, what happened to that guy? And then it's like he's just collecting money. He is incredibly wealthy.

[00:20:49] He's hanging out with Bono. We'll get thanked in Bono's Oscar Spanish. Here's another weird factor than I swear we'll talk about John Carpenter, Starman, but Garth Jennings is very good friends with Wes Anderson and Wes Anderson has a voice role in sing. Are you kidding me?

[00:21:04] I mean, I respect that. Do you think Wes Anderson, does he have kids? What does Wes Anderson have kids? Yes, he does. Maybe like one of his kids loves, when love sing. Wes Anderson plays Daniel, a giraffe who auditions with the song Ben. Uh huh. Yeah.

[00:21:18] That sounds great. Yep. I know that giraffe. I cannot believe I never knew that. Edgar Wright plays a goat. Yeah. The amount of times I have seen sing is incalculable and I can't believe I didn't know that. This is changing everything.

[00:21:30] So this is what I'm in for, Katie. Most likely, right? I gotta go rewatch it. Yeah. No, you're in for it. Um, today we're talking about, uh, Starman, which is certainly a big, I don't know if it's a turning point in Carpenter's career, but it's a real shift

[00:21:46] for him. Uh, not a permanent shift, but like, I mean he was in an interesting spot because his movies had been sort of going up and up and up and up until the thing when he finally gets his blank check and it like implodes like the Challenger launch.

[00:22:02] Uh, people chase him out of Hollywood with pitchforks and then Christine is kind of like a rebound movie, right? Like Christine is like, I gotta do something that's going to work. And more, right, like I'll do a familiar territory. I'll do a horror movie.

[00:22:19] Like I'll do what people want from John Carpenter. And Stephen King is kind of like a proven franchise in and of himself at that point. Especially at that point. Right. Is it a one for them? Like were they like, yeah, he'll do it or what did he feel?

[00:22:33] I haven't, you got this Christine episode has not come out yet. So I don't know what you guys said about it. I don't know. I mean, I think the whole thing was like he was the pick to make Christine. Like they wanted him.

[00:22:46] He was the first pick, but then classically much, you know, much like Stephen King. Oh, Stephen King eventually sort of turned on him because Stephen King just gets in these really grumpy about these movies, like these adaptations where I feel like he's often enthusiastic

[00:23:00] for a while and then he's like, you know, whatever. I hate what they did. He famously thought he could beat Stanley Kubrick in a reputation off about the shining. Absolutely. Yeah. I think, you know, Carpenter, like his his ones for them have always been him

[00:23:16] picking the most strategically sound movie that he actually wants to do. You know, I don't think he has ever done something purely as a career calculation. Yeah. And he's good at avoiding projects that don't suit him, especially in this first half of his career.

[00:23:30] I think perhaps he might not have made that movie if the thing had been a hit, you know, he might have followed like a wilder passion project and that was a little bit safer, but I think a thing he really wanted to do

[00:23:42] and prove that he could like deliver on budget on time and whatever. And then that movie is a hit. It's a big hit. People like it. So Columbia is like Carpenter baby. Come on, make yourself comfortable, you know? Right. You're your Columbia Pictures boy now.

[00:23:56] Starman is a script that has been percolating for years. The famous thing about this movie is that Columbia Pictures had two scripts, one of them Starman, the other one called Night Skies. Both of them were about friendly aliens who land on Earth and befriend lonely people.

[00:24:14] They did extensive focus groups on the two films at the script stage to see which concepts seem to have more broad commercial appeal. It was Starman Hands Down. So they let go of Night Skies and let Universal acquire it and turn around.

[00:24:31] And that movie became E.T. the highest grossing film in history. So Starman got tagged with this reputation of like, well, A, now we look stupid because we let E.T. go in favor of this thing that we still haven't made.

[00:24:46] B, we're now scared that this is too similar to E.T. And people will think it's a ripoff. And C, I think there was just kind of like bad juju around the whole thing for a while. Right, that's exactly bad vibes because it's right.

[00:25:01] Like this is the, you pick wrong most like, but even though Starman is good. And they didn't make it, like they went through a bunch of different directors and all this prize. Like why didn't they make it before E.T.

[00:25:12] just because they couldn't decide what they wanted to do with it? I think that was a part of it and the directors, right? Yeah, and also I think the script wasn't that good. Michael Douglas project, even though he's not credited, is he credited as an executive producer?

[00:25:25] Yeah, he's credit. But not as a main producer. But you know, but this was a project he shepherded and there's this script, the script that the script is credited to Bruce Evans and Reynolds Gideon and that was the script.

[00:25:39] But of course, like Dean Reisner is the actual writer of the movie we saw basically, like he did a massive rewrite then that's what brought the script to our board. That's the period of time where for years, new directors are coming on board and leaving

[00:25:51] redeveloping it and then Columbia in between will hire new writers to try to change it to come up with what is the right take for this movie. But so right. So first it's John Badham who had done Saturday Night Fever and Dracula.

[00:26:04] So he was like, you know, he was hot shit and he does war games instead. Yeah. And I think E.T. just got there faster that when E.T. comes out and blows up, Badham quits because he's just like, I don't want to have to follow that.

[00:26:20] So then it goes to Adrian Lyon. Adrian Lyon, right. And Adrian Lyon wants to do the movie partly because he wants to break into Hollywood and he thinks he made this piece of shit movie that no one's going to like. And then Flashdance is a colossal hit

[00:26:34] and he's like, fuck you. I can go make whatever I want now. Like I'll see you later. Right. I'm going back to England. I don't need this shit anymore. And that begins the crazy Adrian Lyon thing where like every movie he makes after his hits

[00:26:48] is a huge flop. And then he's like, fine, fine. I guess it'll make fatal attraction. And then it's a huge hit. Okay. I want to make Jacob's ladder. It's a bomb. Okay. Well, go make, go make indecent proposal. This thing sounds like a piece of shit.

[00:26:59] It's a hit, you know, like it's over and over again. Lyon Scott, a wild career. It would be so good. It would be such a good filmography. It would be our horniest miniseries ever. We should tie it to that Ben Affleck movie. God knows whenever it,

[00:27:12] that thing is getting dumped in like January or whatever. I cannot wait to see it. We were supposed to have a sexy ass press tour with those two and then they broke up and then Jennifer Lopez shows up and Jennifer Lopez is seemingly buried deep water.

[00:27:26] Fuck it's Affleck and Armist. It was one of those publicity romances that then seem to kind of be real for a bit. And then obviously disintegrated, right? Yeah. Like I was like, this all called J. Lo up. Stealer away from Arod or whatever it is he's done.

[00:27:43] It's a gift he gave us to be clear. He's just sitting on his like throne surrounded by like crushed Duncan cups dragging on his vape and being like, I don't know, does J. Lo want to go out with me? I just think it's incredible that like,

[00:27:55] I've read all these dumb fucking articles about how like Will Smith is revolutionizing Hollywood and he's got this fucking company of like social media branding and he's like other stars hire him to do what he did for himself and all this shit.

[00:28:11] And I'm like Affleck is getting no credit for being like the great American meme creator. Every fucking thing he does not only like goes viral but becomes like some sort of like spirit animal for a different type of mood. Exactly.

[00:28:27] He's like this walking avatar of America in COVID or whatever it was when he's up, when he's down, when he's happy, when he's horny, when he's angry, when he's drunk, when he's sober, it's all like all of it hits.

[00:28:40] He and Keanu Reeves are just, he's like both like either side of a coin like we can't erase everything you see of him. It's just like what a gift what an angel from God has been Affleck is like Earth as hell.

[00:28:50] And you're like, yeah, I get that too. The whole thing with Affleck, I mean, I think I've done this dream before but like we're basically he's basically gearing up for his third comeback. He's had a comeback within playing Batman. Batman where he, he guts the Batman role

[00:29:05] at the height of his second comeback. Nobody likes the Batman movie and now everyone's sort of like he was a good Batman and I'm like, what's he? Are we sure? Like, you know, he should come back as Batman. I'm like, he never left. He's still Batman.

[00:29:21] But he's like Keanu and that way too, where it's just like every seven years it's like done, cooked over, never coming back. Exactly. The enough from this guy. I don't want to hear about it. He's like, I guess I'll like make a movie that is good.

[00:29:35] I'll just direct it and like I'll do three of those and win best picture. Incredible, incredible, incredible. What was the thing I was going to say about Affleck? I don't fucking remember. But don't forget he's got the last duel coming at Venice

[00:29:48] like within a matter of days as we record this. So like that could ruin it all. No, it could increase it. No telling. It's gonna roll. It's wild that those like the paparazzi photos came out when they were filming the movie and it was like,

[00:30:01] these haircuts are disaster. How's anyone going to take this movie seriously? And then you watch the trailer and you're like, haircuts pretty good. It is such a clear like, oh right, like directing and framing and lighting matters. Yeah, I can't wait for the last duel.

[00:30:15] God, what a thing. Those, those dopes, those Boston dopes will never be rid of them. I mean Ridley Scott's about to run circles around everybody all fall. He's 82 years old. I mean you guys, I know you've talked about doing

[00:30:28] Ridley Scott a million times, but like good Lord that man. Do it tomorrow. I mean, do an episode of day. He's made, he's made 45 movies. Like some 45 masterpieces. So rest of your life. I don't think it's 45. He's made like 25. It's a lot. Something like that.

[00:30:42] It's also wild that unlike Soda Berg where the joke is like, oh, he made like five movies while we were having this conversation, but they're all on an iPhone. Ridley Scott's like, no, they're like humongous $200 million productions. Yeah. Shot in foreign countries with expansive cast.

[00:30:55] Huge original movies for grownups coming out within like fucking days of each other. Both shot during a pandemic. Both starring Adam Driver, America's favorite giant weirdo. Like it's going to rule. It's going to be great. God, I know last year was supposed to come out last

[00:31:16] year, so it's not quite, but still, you know, still, but it was, it was supposed to come out last year when they thought they were going to be able to complete filming. They started filming that movie like a week before

[00:31:26] everything shut down and then it was down for 10 months. Ridley Scott probably like got COVID five times. He probably has it right now. Yeah, exactly. I think COVID got Ridley Scott. You know what I'm saying? What if I just do Chuck Norris bits? What about Ridley Scott?

[00:31:45] It's like we're doing Ridley Scott back. Yeah. Starman. Okay. So then it goes to ironically enough, Segway, it goes to Tony Scott. Tony Scott wants to make it full sort of genre, hyper stylized. What have you. And this is right before Top Gun.

[00:32:05] So it's like post the hunger or whatever. Right. When he's like a very stylish filmmaker. So everyone who touched this movie, like then made a gigantic hit or was about to make a title. Yeah. That's true. Didn't make sense. What's the secret to my success?

[00:32:20] I turned down Starman. Then it goes to Mark Raidell who I, I guess left this to do on Golden Pond. I guess so. Does that match the pattern? No, I'm going to put on is 81. So my guess is it's right after. Yes.

[00:32:36] And so he goes on to do the river, which is that movie with Mel Gibson and Sissy Spacak. Right. What if there was a river? I've never seen it, but it was like, you know, like space like an Oscar nom for that. Oh yeah.

[00:32:48] That was in the Starman Oscar season. It came out the same year. It was a movie. Yeah. If there was a fucking river. So he kind of breaks the trend a little bit, although it gets by four kind of awards and one honorary win. An honor or whatever.

[00:33:04] It won a special achievement in sound effects editing. Mark Raidell, I think was when they start to skew it more towards what if we do the more humanist performance based emotional movie, not try to lean into the genre elements. And then when Raidell leaves, that's sort of the

[00:33:21] script that comes across his desk. And it's exciting to him because he's like, they're never going to let me do a romantic comedy or drama. But here is a movie that on its face looks like a sci-fi movie, which they will hire me to do.

[00:33:35] Assume that I'll be more interested in the genre elements, but really this is my sneaky way to let them, let get them to let me make a grown up romance. Yeah. Yeah. And he basically says the original draft, well what Carpenter says is the original draft

[00:33:53] quote ends with Starman blowing up the government with his ray gun. I don't really know how that works, but The entire US government? The whole government with his ray gun. And he says this Dean Reiser rewrite is the total humanization right, you know,

[00:34:10] makes changes, makes the character less hostile. It's all the dialogue. It's the script that he signed on to and then they assumed that he would split screenplay credit because the WGA, you know, gives tremendous weight to whoever originally started a script even if almost nothing is left.

[00:34:27] And instead they just give full credit to the original guys. And this is an odd movie that is dedicated to the man who wrote the screenplay who is still alive but couldn't get a credit on the movie otherwise. Dean Reiser who also I encourage everyone

[00:34:43] to look up on Wikipedia because his picture is him as a child actor. He's was a child actor named Dinky Dean. What? And so if you Google Dean Reisner, you can see a little picture of a cute four-year-old boy from the 1920s who was

[00:35:01] in like a Charlie Chaplin movie. And then I guess as he grew up, he became like a famous rewrite guy in Hollywood which. Wrote a 1939 Ronald Reagan movie called Code of the Secret Service. His most notable role was in Charlie Chaplin's short film The Pilgrim. Pretty cool.

[00:35:19] Dinky Dean. He's cute. He's really cute. He won an Oscar for directing Bill and Koo in 1948 at feature film with a cast of real birds costumed as humans acting on the world's smallest film set. I'm sorry. He won an honorary Academy Award.

[00:35:36] Are you seeing what it's for David? I want to read it. Can I please read it? Can I please read it? Yes. Well, yes. I'm sorry. It's an honorary Academy Award for Bill and Koo in which quote, Artistry and patience blended in a

[00:35:49] novel and entertaining use of the medium of motion pictures. I like the very pointed use of the word patience there because people were clear just like how do you fucking film these birds? You gotta wait. They're not gonna do anything you ask. You gotta wait for them.

[00:36:07] Artistry and patience. Also married Vampira, the famous 50s campy TV hostess whose real name was Malia Nermy. And I don't think they were married for that long. They divorced in the 50s. Vampire, by the way. Vampire. Vampires. What did I say? Vampire? Weird. Wow.

[00:36:30] Star of course of play nine for outer space. What a life. This is incredible. Dinky Dean. This is what I'm saying. Dinky Dean. He gets a screenplay credit on Dirty Harry, but then most and what's the other one play Missy for me.

[00:36:45] But then most of his work is uncredited rewrite work. High playing strifter, the enforcer, rich man, poor man, Godfather Part Three. He's one of those famous like you don't know, you know, Dean Reisner that's the guy you need. Like he rewrites everything in the 80s. Yeah.

[00:37:05] But hey, Dinky Dean. Dinky. We love him. We stan him and carpenter very much is like that's the script his script is the script I found, which is cool. And it's a good script. Yeah. Yeah. And he sort of got first crack at it.

[00:37:23] Like the rewrite was done in between directors. They bring it to him. He goes like, I love this. I'd make this right away. And so they do. Michael Douglas was the one who originally developed this movie because he wants a star in it and

[00:37:36] that would have been a disaster. There is no form of this movie. Obviously, it's impossible to imagine him being in this carpenter movie with this draft. But I don't even think he would work in a more action oriented version of this movie.

[00:37:50] This is what a year or two before Wall Street or whatever. It's not like this is a time in his career where he played softer characters like the guy same year as romancing the stone, right? The guy excelled at CAD and slime ball. That was his slain.

[00:38:08] He would just seem so hostile in this movie. He would be like, get away from this guy. He's hiding something. He's obviously trying to blow up the earth. With this ray gun, he's going to kill the government. He's going to kill the whole damn government.

[00:38:20] I will say also, Michael Douglas very much seems like he is from Earth to a fault. Yeah. You know, like I'm like, yeah, that is a human. Absolutely. Like Ben F like his paparazzi photo, seeing bodies all of our horses. Right. I mean, we've talked about this

[00:38:37] with Douglas, but like Douglas was like the dark id of the American 80s, you know? Absolutely. Yes. Bridges, he's a surprising choice though. He is. Well, have you guys, have you guys done bridges on this show? Have we done bridges ever? Have we ever crossed a bridge?

[00:38:56] Probably not this early. Have you ever driven across a bridge? Hasn't he been in a Marvel movie? We did Iron Man. Oh, crap. Sure. We talked about that and that's actually a great performance and we do stand it. And obviously we're going to do

[00:39:09] Barbara Streisand at some point so we'll do the mirror has two faces. You know, we're going to do He feels inevitable. I mean, we have to. Yeah, he doesn't have a huge role in that, but that would be great. But no, I don't think we've

[00:39:21] ever really talked about one of my all time favorite actors, the star of my mother's favorite, my mother's second favorite movie. Yeah, which is. Yes. I know what it is. Second big Lebowski. No, although she I think she kind of like the big Lebowski

[00:39:39] been laughing at his own joke without his opinion. My mother's favorite movie is Pal and Pressburgers. I know where I'm going. My mother's second favorite movie is the fabulous Baker Boys, the Steve Close which is a wonderful move. And I've seen it many times

[00:39:56] because my mother loves it so much. And he is so good in it. It's funny, like a carpenter also, I just remember, I forget what it was, but like walking by some not why I say carpenter bridges, walking by some poster for a

[00:40:12] Bridges movie when I was a little kid or maybe it was they played a trailer before whatever dumb kids movie my dad was taking me to see. And my dad just turned me and going, he's like one of the best actors alive. He might be my favorite actor.

[00:40:25] I have this very distinct memory of my dad just being like he's like the best. Anointing him, like pointing at that guy. I'm trying to remember what the first bridge is like because he's a real grown-up actor. Apart from Tron, he doesn't do a lot of kids movies.

[00:40:40] We did White Squall which I never saw but I remember that movie being everywhere. But I only remember the kids of Matt. Yeah, that's a lot of kids. It might have been something like fucking Arlington Road. Yeah, I think the first movie I saw him

[00:40:55] in was The Contender. Yeah. Which he is unbelievable. It's such a good performance in a mediocre movie. Have you seen The Contender, Katie? Griffin, I assume you've seen it. In 2000. Like right after. It's been a very long time, yeah. And I remember Rod Lurie who used

[00:41:10] to be a film critic and becomes this director and he's made, he wrote this giant diary about making The Contender. There was an empire magazine. And I read it so many times because he just makes Jeff Bridges sound like the coolest motherfucker alive. Yeah.

[00:41:27] There's some moment where Bridges is all dressed up and he's coming out of the makeup room and he's like, the dude is the president. And stuff like that. Bridges would take all these pictures on set. Oh, he's like a big vintage camera guy.

[00:41:42] They've been both published of all his on set photos but then also just photos of him walking around various cities and countryside and stuff. What a fucking rad. Any time he's on like a, you know, podcaster, he's doing an interview, he seems so friendly,

[00:42:00] so relaxed, so happy to talk about what, you know, whatever you want to talk about, right? Like, you know, go anywhere. And I would argue one of the least pretentious actors of that stature. Like on screen or off or both? Both. Oh, that's and it's why people

[00:42:20] undervalue him to this day even though obviously he's very famous and very beloved. Like, right? Yes, yes, absolutely. He is one of these guys and I think it is emblematic of dudes who grew up with dads who were just kind of working actors, right?

[00:42:40] Who are like never big stars and it was like, it's a job. I'm in the studio system. I'm doing 10 pictures a week. I'm doing 80 episodes of a fucking like daytime TV show, like whatever it is. Like it's a job. It's a craft, right? Like they're taught these things

[00:42:55] like it is carpentry, no pun intended. I feel like like Brian Cranston talks about it the same way where he's like my dad was like a marginally successful actor who was never famous and I just kind of learned discipline from him and I never

[00:43:09] viewed all the trappings of the other shit, you know? And I feel like bridges unlike a lot of guys of his class and his stature who will brag about the sort of extremes they went to to transform themselves for performances and all their method acting shit, you hear

[00:43:29] these stories about things that bridges did for movies and then he kind of like shrugs them all. He's just quietly doing it. Right. Like this is a movie where he famously worked with dance instructors to unlearn all of his body language. Right.

[00:43:45] He was like make me a blank slate, like take everything out of my system. Yeah. I mean there's that story I remember when he won the Oscar and I think Michelle Pfeiffer was presenting and she told the story about fabulous Baker boys.

[00:44:00] He had the makeup people paint broken capillaries onto his nose to like belied the characters passes an alcoholic and she was like that doesn't read on camera and he was like yeah but it helps me, you know? I was like.

[00:44:13] Was that one of the years that they had all the previous co-stars come up? That was around when they were doing that. The best. I fucking hated that shit. It was good. I know. I am the rare Oscar super fan who hated that because most

[00:44:28] Oscar super fans I know that. I want an Oscar clip. That's what I want. Well, let me see a clip of the performance and then at the end Sissy Space it goes everything. She smashed the plate and you're like what the fuck is that movie?

[00:44:43] She smashed the plate. I got to see this thing. Yeah, that was there's a very specific thing that I think the three of us share which is like watching the Oscars when you're eight and there's a movie that is like you're never going to be allowed

[00:44:56] to watch and also you know you'd probably be bored by it but you watch the clip and you're like, huh, that's great act. Like I guess that's right. Now I know. The first movie for me was the crying game

[00:45:07] when I watched the Oscars when I was like six years old and there was a movie called the crying game and I'm like that sounds like the most grown-up movie of all time. So fucking serious. What does that mean? And then you see like, you know this poster

[00:45:21] with Miranda Richardson's got this, you know wig on and you're like what is this about? What is a crying game? Right. That's an English patient for me. Like it took me years into adulthood to actually be like what is the English patient about

[00:45:33] because it was just like this is a very serious movie for adults who has an airplane in it. There's a desert and an airplane and it's sad. That was definitely the first Oscars I watched as well so I remember that sticking out.

[00:45:44] What was the thing I was going to say? The one I always think of is Fernanda Montenegro in Central Station where her clip was like so quiet and understated. It was like someone talking to her in close-up and her listening and everyone was like, oh so good.

[00:46:01] Like I was at some party with my parents and their friends and the clip played and everyone was like, God what a good performance. And I was like what's going on? Like how do you... I want to be a grown-up so I can say... I wasn't crying.

[00:46:13] I'm just going to nod along with it. But I was like that's aspirational. Everyone's looking at a woman listen in a foreign language and they're like, God amazing performance right? We did the 2001 Oscars on Little Gold Men very recently and Joe Reed

[00:46:28] all of our friend had the video clip of it because you know when you watch clips of Oscars and you cut movie clips and you don't have the right. So if you get some like weird ass pirated thing

[00:46:37] with half of the Barbara Walters special in front of it you get to actually see. So she's basically throwing the dishes. It was that year and I was just like... I remember those things where we knew that was the clip and it was like

[00:46:47] are they going to get cheeky with us and do some other clip? Because you know she's got other good clips in that movie and they were like, no, no, no. We're hitting you in the face with this and then she didn't win.

[00:46:56] But then Halle Berry's Monsters Ball clip is her at the hospital pounding and screaming and you're like, whoa! This is high octane. And then Nicole Kidman's from Moulin Rouge is her like trying to vamp in front of the bad guy and it's so silly. It's so great.

[00:47:11] Like it's a flex. We got to do Lermin too. I've been thinking about Lermin a lot because I just watched the fucking Girl Boss Cinderella movie which is Rancid and it's going to set women back 100 years. And it's trying... It is weird that the official title is

[00:47:25] The Fucking Girl Boss Cinderella movie that is Rancid and going to set women back 100 years. And it's trying to do the Moulin Rouge thing. Yeah, the Amazon original. Private videos is never third. It's trying to do the Moulin Rouge thing of like,

[00:47:39] oh, it's like a jukebox musical where we just like picked songs we like. You know, where it's like, you know, oh, the Prince sings Somebody to Love because he wants somebody to love. And it's like... That's not what Moulin Rouge is. That is misunderstanding. No, it is.

[00:47:51] Of course, but you know what I'm saying? Moulin Rouge is a grab. Exactly. And I'm like, wow, Moulin Rouge! A lot harder to pull off then maybe, you know. Yeah. Such a good movie. Well, you'll do your like 15th Tom Hanks movie with his Elvis...

[00:48:07] When's that coming out? I don't know. It's the movie they gave Tom Hanks COVID. It's like kind of... Right, that's another one where it like shot for like five days and then COVID happened and it was shut down for like 10 months. And then Tom Hanks got COVID.

[00:48:20] Right, the crazy one is The Card Counter because I think The Card Counter filmed all but one day. Correct. And they had to shut down maybe two or something like that. It was the opposite. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then like they finally resumed production

[00:48:34] like five months later and they'd like finished whatever they needed to finish. Well, and the story is that like, of course fucking Schrader was like... Schrader was like, come on. March 15th, just let me go and shut! He's like, I don't know how much longer I got.

[00:48:50] Let's just finish The Card Counter at Barry Lee's. Look, let me on shut! I'm not, you know, I don't have a ton of time on my hands right now. I'll bring a lot of God and I'll shoot COVID if I have to.

[00:49:04] Yeah, I'm matching it with a big fan just being like, I keep it in a way. It's fine. Yeah, we should do... My Polish Schrader impression. We're like five movies. My Polish Schrader impression is just... It's like, we're just narrative. Well, between Paul Schrader and Ridley Scott

[00:49:21] like the series of directors physically going to war with COVID. You guys got to keep this going. Who else? Lerman is six movies. Like, what's Lerman on things doing Lerman? It's so easy. Yeah. If you do Lerman, I got to get Australia.

[00:49:35] I'm putting that on the record as fast as I can. Sure, take it. I saw the movie twice in theaters and I haven't seen it since but I'm just going to say it holds up. This is an interesting question. I know this is a big tanginy episode

[00:49:47] but we're talking about things that I think people will be interested by. It was supposed to come out this year when Warner Brothers made the HBO and Max day-in-date announcement. Elvis was on the slate and then they announced it was getting pushed six months of 2022.

[00:50:02] Do you think that is? Boz Lerman always taking four times longer to make a movie and finish a movie than he tells people he will. He is notorious for doing that. Or do you think he was like, this is playing in a fucking theater, you assholes?

[00:50:17] But like if Dylan and Vanilla Nov couldn't do it, are they going to let Boz Lerman do it? I feel like they weren't giving directors that choice. They weren't but I can also see Boz Lerman being like, I have to do more reshoots and they're like, oh Boz!

[00:50:30] Yeah, I also think Boz always has bizarre contracts. He just always has absurd levels of autonomy and freedom within the studio. I love him. Oh God. You know, Mullen Rush isn't even my favorite. Romeo and Juliet, that movie is perfect. It's one of my 20 favorite movies.

[00:50:51] I fucking love that movie so much. And I love Mullen Rush. I love Boz Lerman. Yeah, watching those Oscars and watching Katherine Martin win her, she won two Oscars for costumes and production design. It was glorious. Love her. Happy to see her Boz cheering for in the audience.

[00:51:06] Also that movie is crazy and it came out in American May and it like, in one of the most loaded Oscar years ever and it fucking got nominations. Yeah, and it kind of underperformed at the box office as a summer movie, then 9-11 happens

[00:51:19] and it comes back around and people are like, is this going to win best picture? Amen. It's crazy that the last movie Boz Lerman made is Great Gatsby which probably, like true great, made $170 million, like some insane hit for what it was. Yeah, yeah. Good movie.

[00:51:33] And that was in 2013. Yeah, it takes a long time. I saw him walking up for Ben Planned at once. I saw it in 3D. I was super stoned. What? What's that? You saw him? No, I was just going to say, I saw him walking up for Ben Planned

[00:51:43] at the comic book store and by a Wonder Woman umbrella. Really? That's good. That's good. That's a good detail. It's a good answer. And it was a thing? It's not a comic, it's an umbrella. He bought a Wonder Woman umbrella. I'm imagining Boz Lerman like,

[00:51:57] it starts to rain. He's on the corner of like Broadway in 13 and he's like, he sees like a normal umbrella store and he sees a forbidden plan and he's like, you know, I bet you forbidden plan has a fun. David, David, those were the exact circumstances

[00:52:10] and he walked around the store for like 20 minutes looking at comic books like he was Starman, like tilting his entire head. You know, like not touching anything but just looking at like, what is this? He's defined Batman. Hanchoi's Rocket Raccoon and then he just bought his Wonder Woman

[00:52:29] umbrella and left back it to the rain. What a fucking legend that we got to do him. It's in June, we can do him. Let's do him. Let's sneak in. Well, maybe we should do him in July. Let's sneak him. Okay. Starman. The film Starman. Michael Douglas.

[00:52:45] Michael Douglas. Douglas wants to be in it and he moves on. Michael Douglas is kind of the king of getting locked in permanently as producer on movies he ends up not starring in. Like he has a fucking producer credit on Face Off

[00:53:01] because he was at one point going to do it with Harrison Ford and I think he still is grandfathered into the new Face Off they're doing. Oh yeah, good for Michael Douglas. I would have watched that Face Off.

[00:53:12] Michael Douglas and Harrison Ford would have been a cool Face Off. But what if it was the exact same movie with those two guys? I don't know. I imagine like Michael Douglas. Right, who's who? I guess Douglas has to be right, Douglas has to be the villain. Right.

[00:53:31] Ford is casted right. Well see the thing with Face Off is they actually kind of play both characters. It's very confusing. Yeah, it's confusing. I think you, I guess you cast Michael Douglas as Caster Troy at the beginning. Right, at the beginning.

[00:53:45] Which that means you have Harrison Ford playing that for the rest of the movie. Which would have been interesting. Yeah. Okay, let's do it. Let's watch it. It's not too late. This remains the only Academy Award nomination that any Carpenter movie has gotten. Is that true?

[00:54:00] Not even a technon for any of the other ones? Correct. That is bananas. That's so, I'm, that's crazy. That is crazy. Carpenter is obviously like, you know, ghettoized a little bit into the genre thing, but like Bridges is very respected. And I think that's a lot of it.

[00:54:24] This movie like underperformed a little bit, but I think people just sort of thought this performance was so undeniable. But it's also kind of surprising that this movie didn't get other nominations. You'd think it would get a visual effects nomination or whatever. That's all.

[00:54:39] Or you could absolutely see this being a screenplay nom, even with the mis-trivetation. Right. I think Karen Allen absolutely should have been nominated. Right. But she's, that's the kind of thing they ignore. Cause they're like, are you a suffering wife in a period drama? No.

[00:54:55] But wait, who are the visual effects nominees? Cause now I got a set. That's what I'm looking at right now too. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, Ghostbusters in 2010. Those are three good looking movies. I mean, that's fine. I can't really argue with that.

[00:55:07] You know, the problem with these tech nods that we're like, I can't believe it's like, well they only did three nods, you know, for visual effects from makeup. So, and the sound ones don't even totally exist. You know, so yeah.

[00:55:18] And when you look at something getting snubbed in the 1980s and you were like, how is that possible? You look at the three things that were nominated and you're like, oh, three revolutionary films that are historic. Right. Cool looking movies.

[00:55:29] So, but yeah, Karen Allen is so good at this movie. Obviously Bridges has the showy performance. It's a great performance. I love Jeff Bridges. She is incredible in this, but yeah, it doesn't work without her like and. Yeah. And what's the Karen Allen?

[00:55:47] So like it's, this is two years after Raiders, but like what, what's going on for her? Cause I don't know much about her non-Indiana Jones career. The thing that Nick and JJ pulled up is that A, she was kind of,

[00:55:59] you know, notable at that time, especially cause it's like her first movie is Animal House, right? Like her first film is this seismic thing. And then a couple years later she's in Raiders, which is like the biggest fucking blockbuster and she becomes this like this

[00:56:16] character and performance that everyone tries to copy for decades. But she was I think kind of uninterested in playing the movie star game and would like at her peak go like, no, I'm going to go do a play and would just go back to theater.

[00:56:31] They had to like talk her into this movie. And she obviously like thinks fondly of this movie. These interviews they found where like, you know, she likes the role. She likes the challenge of the movie or whatever, but she read

[00:56:46] the script and she liked the script so she decided to do it. But the way she talks about it is that like every other script she was reading, she was saying no and they must have been big scripts. The other thing is she said she read the script.

[00:57:00] She likes carpenter. She likes bridges. She thinks the script's great and she's like, I don't think I can do this. And they were like you like it. And she was like, this is going to be really difficult to pull off.

[00:57:10] And she like had her whole logic that was sound of like, this movie is going to be really hard to execute if you just have a human actor, not a robot or a puppet or makeup right? A guy who looks like a guy playing an alien.

[00:57:22] It's going to be goofy. It's going to be hard for that performance to work. This character is this woman who's in like catatonic shock the entire movie. She like pointedly has to spend 75% of the running time having no chemistry with the only person she's there scenes with.

[00:57:37] Like she knew the movie was going to be hard to pull off and it was going to be a hard performance to pull off and they sort of had to talk her into like, come on, like take the risk. Yeah. Good call. It's a huge risk. Yeah.

[00:57:49] Have you ever seen the glass menagerie that Paul Newman did that she's in? No. But I feel like I really should. Yeah, like I love glass menagerie and she feels like very interesting Laura casting. Is it like a like a film stage play basically or is

[00:58:10] it more cinematic? It wasn't, but I think it's a little stagey by reputation. I mean it's weird because no one ever talks about it and you're like, it feels like a glass menagerie movie with Johan Woodward directed by Paul Newman should be somewhat legendary

[00:58:27] unless it's a with John Malkovich as Tom. Yes. That's that's right. It's like so either that movie is great or it's a disaster and people are like, it's okay. Yeah. I'm learning from Karen Allen's Wikipedia page that her son won a chopped competition in 2016.

[00:58:44] She's got a handsome son who looks a lot like Karen Allen. It is a show. Good jeans. Who's her? Who's her husband? Her husband, Kale Brown. I see. She married Kale Brown. He was a soap opera actor, I think primarily. Yeah.

[00:58:58] I mean her it's not like she stopped ever stopped doing movies. Hell, she's in the bedroom in which Sissy's Basics famously stands to play. Sissy's Basics throwing those dishes is everywhere we look. But I also think I think she's someone who

[00:59:11] doesn't work for the sake of working and she's pretty comfortable like taking years off. She does theater. I know she taught acting for a long time and I'm forgetting at which college. Bard? Maybe she taught at Bard? That sounds like something, that sounds like her vibe. Yeah. Right?

[00:59:30] Like this kind of let's see. Let's see. She knows she. Wikipedia says she's taught at Bard. Yep. I mean you think about like a woman who like breaks out in Raiders which is a movie that's going to be famous for Harrison Ford.

[00:59:42] Like she's like, breaks out as the woman in the movie opposite of man. Like I'm thinking about Kathleen Turner breaking out in like Romance and the Stone Around the Time. I think Kathleen Turner has a more of a star career but like there's not a lot of

[00:59:52] routes to take at that time. No, I mean yes it's like an unfortunate reality but it is particularly bizarre only because everyone was like oh Marion Ravenwood is now the ideal. That's the archetype for all of these movies. That's the performance that everyone's trying to emulate.

[01:00:11] That's the writing of the character that everyone's trying to emulate. I think to some degree she felt a little bit like Raiders was overshadowing her career. I mean there's a quote they pulled up here where she just sort of said like

[01:00:24] I think this role is as good as Raiders. I wish it would have as much of an impact on my career. I mean agreed. Right, I wish it wasn't that one role and that one character. So it's like on one hand guess like what were her opportunities?

[01:00:40] What was she being offered at this point in time? What were people going to let her do? But on the other hand I bet she turned down like four obvious kind of Raider ripoff roles. That but also feel like she must have turned down like comedies because she

[01:00:54] does none. Right, until Scrooge. Until Scrooge and animal behavior which is right like clearly it takes her a long time like you'd think someone would want to put her in like a rom-com or something. She starts out with Animal House and she starts out with the most

[01:01:09] successful comedies ever. I think she just does shit her own way. Like she just kind of doesn't care. Was there ever a time where she was going to be in another Indiana Jones until Crystal Skull or was it always just like that this is serial you're out?

[01:01:24] It's weird that she's not in Last Crusade. Yeah. You know doing the prequel route. I was thinking she was somehow. Her Temple of Doom you know was the choice they made and like you know there's logic to that but like it's a little weird.

[01:01:37] But wasn't the prequel decision also based on him not wanting to do Nazis again or is that apocrophal? I can't remember when it is he doesn't want to do Nazis again. There is some point where he doesn't want to do Nazis again.

[01:01:47] He's gone through a couple phases of not wanting to do Nazis again. Right. Because then he obviously doubles back on that with Last Crusade. Is she in the new Indiana Jones? I guess she's not. She can't be right because then you'd have to bring in fucking mud again.

[01:02:02] Right but it's also like. They really saddled her with mud. I know, I know you could just ignore him. Where's mud? I don't know. It is weird that the fourth one. He's an adult he can live his life in. Inns with like all the pomp and

[01:02:14] circumstance of their wedding and I am dreading the new movie starting with like we will ever since Mary and past and him like tearfully stroking the frame photo. Like I just don't want to see that. I don't want to see that either but that does seem pretty plausible.

[01:02:29] Karen Allen was interested in reprising her role as Mary and Ravenwood noting that Jones and Mary and were married in the previous film so it would be difficult, I think, to move forward without her and they never reach out. They don't clarify, right? Yeah.

[01:02:41] Anyway, she's great in King of the Hill. People haven't seen that sort of movie. She's great in The Perfect Storm which I love the Perfect Storm is kind of you know it has her and Mary Elizabeth master Antonio on like you know like

[01:02:54] sort of and Cherry Jones like it's got these these kind of flinty ladies sort of mixed in I really like that. I like her when she shows up in something is what I'm saying but this is sort of her last I guess. Yeah, but she's not like on

[01:03:10] the poster you know that's a filmery movie. Not a super exciting role but she is the sucky role. Yeah. But yeah this is a vehicle for her even as much as it is for Jeff. Yeah, it's not more. She's got the showier part but

[01:03:23] it's really her movie in so many ways you know I mean it's certainly her story. David you saw who nearly played this role for Carpenter right? Wait remind me because I'm another actor you love who I think would have been fundamentally wrong for this Kevin Bacon.

[01:03:42] Oh for Starman sorry I thought we were on camera. No, I did see that. I think he would be great in this movie and I do love Kevin Bacon and I understand why they wanted him because at that point we're only a few years

[01:03:55] from like Footloose and stuff. Carpenter wanted him for Christine and he chose Footloose instead and then Footloose makes him a movie star so then Carpenter wanted him for this and he almost did it. How old is Kevin Bacon at this point though? When the movie yeah he would

[01:04:11] have been like 28 or whatever not a baby but you know but maybe 26. He's pretty young but he's so beautiful like especially back then he was just this incredibly beautiful looking person and I feel like that's part of what Carpenter's probably thinking of it's like you wanted

[01:04:30] this guy to kind of look like a baby right? Even though he's her husband and all that he also is brand new and so he should be kind of shiny and perfect looking and Bridges is great you know they came to a great actor for it because he's

[01:04:45] got the angles to the face he's very very clean looking they obviously you know they style him just right but I get the Bacon thing I get it. But that's part of it like Bacon is so much more extreme looking that I think he reads more

[01:04:59] obviously alien where there's very gentle about Bridges handsomeness in a somewhat unassuming way you know and you need him to look like a guy who lived in the woods of Wisconsin you know like he's an alien but he's in this human body.

[01:05:13] Oh right you need you know the shoulders you need some. He's got to wear that that chick plaid. It's also just like it's you know Jeff Bridges miracle shit where you're like the most valuable part of his casting is how quickly the clips you're seeing projected

[01:05:30] from the home video footage she has of him sets up who this guy was that you're not going to really get to spend any time with the real dude and you need like sort of fly on the wall photography in the background that immediately gives you a sense

[01:05:44] of the dude with Bridges is just so direct you know and unfussy and natural unpretentious. Yes yes you know I saw who also was up for this is or at least Carpenter talk to Tom Cruise. That makes a lot of that Tom Cruise ended up doing legend.

[01:06:03] Now here's the thing about Tom Cruise he would have been great because he is an alien that's just on our planet. Yeah so it would have been like you know method acting for him if anything Tom Cruise might have been too good like it might

[01:06:18] have unbalanced the movie. But what once again though Tom Cruise at this point he's still pretty young little alien looking like you say he's being a baby you know like you said you know Bridges again you know yeah you can see that guy saw on a log.

[01:06:34] And I don't mean sleeping I don't mean snoring. Honk shoe. What are they doing in the bay are they fishing in those videos like they're out like at a campsite or something. He's playing folk songs on a fucking acoustic guitar all of it

[01:06:48] like he just he sells that stuff so much whereas with Tom Cruise you'd be like he won't be able to pull off that. Yeah he will pull off being an alien and understand how people were. But the fact that Bridges is able to do both so economically is

[01:07:03] what is so effective here. You know that we act it's like hard not to just repeat ourselves here but there's something about just like how fucking classical and patient Carpenters film making is you know like just the way he lets things play out in his comfort with silence

[01:07:23] and you know slow camera movements and shit that like really sets up this movie beautifully where after you have your like you know prolonged Carpenter credit roll out you just have a woman in like you know a pretty dull state of grief

[01:07:41] which we talked about in our thing episode how like there are very few horror movies that feature that little screaming where people do not like yell in terror when scary things happen and this similarly is a movie where like here's a woman who is in intense

[01:07:57] levels of grief who then goes into like a very terrifying high-stakes situation that she cannot comprehend and he does not ever reduce her to histrionics you know yeah she goes into shock but in a very like in a very realistic way you know relatable exactly

[01:08:17] right there's something even just the fact that you know there isn't a being ten minutes in where she goes so you're an alien like you just he avoids all those tropes of people overreacting to things understanding things too quickly the whole way it all plays out for her

[01:08:33] even just that moment where she says I'm gonna fuck up the exact line but she goes like you idiot like don't stay up watching this uh-huh go do this to yourself right it's like such a an actual realistic moment of a person talking to themselves which is usually

[01:08:51] such a storytelling device in movies that reads as a device right and it's like that's the way that people actually talk to themselves especially if you're secluded in a cabin in the middle of the woods like grieving a loss

[01:09:05] trying to stay sane you just go like you fucking idiot don't keep doing this you know but don't forget it opens with the uh all the voyager stuff right before you get to that I don't know if we're going in

[01:09:15] carolins border but there's like some real like show coffee outer space stuff before you get there which I was curious for you guys put me in the context of like what's carpenters doing at this point with effects because like obviously

[01:09:25] the big effects come pretty soon after that but it's very like whoo space before you get to her people also so pumped up about voyager two back then like still I feel this is my other question is like is voyager two just like the hottest

[01:09:39] shit in the planet still in 84 pretty cool it's got a fucking golden disk on I don't know if you know that but also by 19 you know by 1984 when this movie is coming out it hasn't even reached Neptune yet like voyager two still you know shooting through

[01:09:55] the solar system it's gone past Jupiter and Saturn or whatever but like you know it's it's it's an active thing voyager two was having the best week ever that's what you're trying to say wait where is it now now it is I believe it is

[01:10:11] slightly because voyager one but it's beyond the termination shock you know it's beyond our solar system what's up termination shock Ben looks like he just met the love of his life except it was a term the termination shock which is

[01:10:31] the kind of term that feels like some band should be using as a name is like the scientific term for when solar wind like is no longer like what you know like when you're beyond our solar system basically yeah you know we had our longest

[01:10:49] radio silence with voyager two in 30 years in 2020 like and then it cut off communication with voyager two in March 2020 I'm not saying that it caused anything bad to happen but maybe it did don't like it what do you have to voyager two but yeah Ben it's just

[01:11:05] it's just fucking out there shooting into nowhere basically and it's going to it's gonna die pretty soon I think I think it has a sad it has a few years left of power but I do think eventually you know it will because it's but yeah it's way out

[01:11:25] there pretty cool huh someone will find it maybe it's got a disc on it got a cool and that's what you know when when star man arrives he starts just reciting things from the disc he does the Kurt H. and he you know like he's just

[01:11:39] he's just repeating our words back to us yep this is one of the carpenters movies that he did not score you have this score that is a lot more emotional than most of his it's good score it is very 80s it's very 80s it's very 80s

[01:11:57] sort of synthy theme but I think he is so smart about when he uses it and using it pretty sparingly and not over playing it and this whole extended sequence of the star man transforming you know him scanning the apartment all that stuff the fact

[01:12:17] that it plays in such an eerie silence I mean because you have you know you're grounding yourself in the emotionality of this character you're setting up the challenger the Voyager 2 stuff rather not the challenger stuff then I think you know you're going to go to

[01:12:35] the sort of star man POV sequence right which goes on for a while the point of view is trying to say that it's energy right yeah it's never kind of clear but the form is essentially just energy yeah it's not like any kind of physical shape

[01:12:53] I don't think because the movement is weird too and hard to define he is a non corporeal being as far as right he carries those balls with him somehow the silver silver ball and yeah and he's a little bibi when he comes out and he's freaky looking

[01:13:15] yeah and I don't like it it's bizarre oh my god it's like a bad trip that's like too much acid right there yeah it's like a very it's an example of the limitations of the special effects technology at the time helping the movie right

[01:13:33] like it adds to the weird alien otherworldly factor I my zoom background is I will make sure that Marie post this on social media an auction from six years ago where they auctioned off the original baby prop where all of the skin has

[01:13:49] rotted off it it's worse for wear it looks like a fucking yonce fankmeyer nightmare it is so bizarre yeah well David we've talked about a net a bunch and baby in that and how horrifying it is there were some real baby and net vibes in that transformation sequence

[01:14:07] baby I mean baby and net who we stand obviously baby a net great great musician yes that's the first movie I saw coming back from paternity leave so for like first day back at work I went to see a net at a screening

[01:14:21] and I really really unsettled me this did not settle me as much because you see the baby for a second and I'm like and then you know then it's a face that's sort of going like the weirdness of the way the baby turns its head

[01:14:35] and like makes direct eye contact with her and they give the baby these like intense piercing eyes it's upsetting yes and then right then it then it turns into like blobby right yes and then it's like a boy oh there's that shot yes

[01:14:51] which is very like American werewolf in where the body is stretching out yeah right you know to sort of to sort of you know get the effect it's I remember noticing in the credits like there's like three big names credit for visual effects

[01:15:07] and I don't remember which ones they were uh yeah San Winston Rick Baker and Dick Smith yeah three big boys that's what I say it's like yeah it's like the three like wise men of visual effects of the 80s right and it's carpenter being like look

[01:15:23] Columbia is giving me 20 million dollars like I'm gonna hire the best people right but you also have to imagine like here's a guy who's like made himself you know one of the premiere sort of visual effects directors of his generation and then now he's

[01:15:39] making this alien movie those three names are attached to it and in the first like 10 minutes you have uh the Voyager 2 uh you know these shots of space at the beginning of the film and in this wild transformation and the rest of the movie is

[01:15:53] like so terrestrial by and large you know yeah like the visual effects are much more sparing I mean there's you know stuff he uses his glowing balls and you know well he's like he's gonna he's he's gonna make the creature and he's gonna film a monument valley and

[01:16:07] then that's the budget like anything else is great apart from that it's a road trip movie there's a whole like 20 minutes of the diner you know like that was his whole thing was he was like I want to make it happens one night that's the thing

[01:16:19] that's appealing to me in this script is that's two people in a car getting to know each other yeah it's got the it happened one night thing where like the people he meets along the way like there are characters there are lives

[01:16:29] that they are interacting with and like it was about what I was thinking about something wild a while ago yeah just like like there's a world like the guy who um Jeff Bridges hits his ride with like yeah I'm done it's going to college

[01:16:43] cost an arm and a leg like there's a whole thing that's going to happen in that one conversation that really takes the time for it I think you also with no disrespect to them all the people we listed have made

[01:16:53] movies that I like but I think you go through that list of the other directors who considered making this movie and I think a lot of them would have turned a lot of the people they meet along the way into more kind of like comedic

[01:17:05] archetypes yeah or villainous straight villainous or whatever right would have been right there there is kind of a quiet humanity that someone is given in this film you know and even the the fucking venison guy who tries to beat up Jeff Bridges is not played as like

[01:17:21] a buffoon yeah I mean that guy has some legitimate concerns such as where did my dear go and Jeff Bridges he shot that deer fair square no it's gone even the tar heels causing a ruckus at the motel like you know they won the game you get it

[01:17:39] uh and I think it helps the movie a lot because you're you're sort of seeing everyone they meet through the star man's eyes where he's just so fascinated by all human behavior you know and what I like about him is he course he's childlike in that

[01:17:55] he doesn't know anything and he's learning right but like he's not innocent or he's not like completely benevolent and he doesn't think well of everyone yeah he's just sort of neutral he's just kind of interested to see what everyone's going to do next like

[01:18:11] and there is a slight edge to him where you're like maybe he is going to pull a trigger when he has the gun you know what I mean like you don't entirely he's not like this like sweet entirely sweet childlike figure which is no but that's a balance

[01:18:25] inherent in Bridges that I think with like cruiser bacon it could have swayed too much in one direction or the other and I also think those guys being like 10 years younger than Bridges the fact that Bridges is more adult man acting like a baby

[01:18:39] gives the movie a lot of power I just want to say just fucking Bridges performance like there's something about his lack of vanity and how comfortable he is with the goofiness required in this role without playing it for laughs it's like what Karen Allen said

[01:18:55] where it's like how was any actor going to pull this off it's going to make them look so fucking silly and Bridges is just sort of so unselfconscious in like all of the weirdness of this guy you know moving like a baby but also like a robot

[01:19:09] you know and then he becomes sexy at a point in the movie where like the fact that there's a sex scene is like there's a definitely a part of me that's like is this the right thing to do like is this a good idea for anybody involved

[01:19:21] but also like it's Jeff Bridges he's hot enough that it works he made a face at me during the sex scene being like you know basically as like really and I'm like it's her husband like yeah yeah she wants

[01:19:33] to be with him like you know beyond the connection she's formed with this new being and all that like it's her fucking husband is living and breathing like it's sort of she there's a temptation there I will say I think it's maybe a

[01:19:47] mild failing of the movie that I don't think they the way the sex scene plays out feels a little more standard off the rack a little 80s and it also makes it feel like especially the build up to it happening

[01:20:05] of just like oh we're on this train we're too close to each other we're looking at each other all this sort of shit it feels like you lose the star man in it a little bit I kind of feel like her obviously you keep the emotional context

[01:20:19] in mind of this is her husband it's one last chance this and that but it does feel like that scene is a little divorced from that emotional pitch I don't know it's pretty clinical yeah and it's sort of like isn't the Terminator the Terminator

[01:20:35] is this year that's a movie where it's like when the sex scene kicks off you're like am I watching the same movie you know this is just kind of straight out of skin and max or whatever you know it's just kind of like a bog standard

[01:20:45] right it's not as bad as that but this feels like it's from a different film and there is a version of this in which the sex scene is the most emotionally devastating scene in the movie right you would because there's a

[01:20:59] right it's a loaded thing that's going on there's a lot of potency there and it just sort of feels like well how do you shoot a love scene with two pretty people fucking in a bail of hay in a train car like some hobos empty train

[01:21:11] car except for conveniently placed bail but it happened one night bail of hay scene in the middle of the movie so it's a maybe it's an homage sure I'm sure that was that was a conscious homage yeah that's like the 12 foot club or something

[01:21:25] right and then put on a pale of hay something there's something there there's something there Ben you have tried to talk about having sex on a train on this podcast multiple times you try to you try to get yeah to coin the mile high club

[01:21:43] essentially version you won't drop this yeah yeah you won't drop refuse straw style yeah so it's the 12 it's the 12 foot club straw style almost sounds like a waffle house order it's like it's like what is this pepper and pepper's in ham anyway star man

[01:22:13] star man the transformation sequence I know we're jumping all around but the transformation sequence is so indebted to American well in so many ways which was obviously this you know you're not cutting around you're showing these things that people thought you could never show on screen before through

[01:22:29] like clever editing and different practical devices and all this sort of shit and there's an interview that bridges did where he said like this scene is going to blow people's minds you watch a baby turn into like an adult me and it's all in one unbroken

[01:22:41] shot and I don't know if he misunderstood or that was their plan and it could not be executed but I do think it is so smart that they keep on cutting back to like the back of the head her reactions grounding it not having anything too absurd

[01:22:59] happen letting it play out fairly slowly you know and silently like she's completely silent the silent sort of shock that she's in this whole movie yeah and I right especially for like the first 40 minutes this movie when she's really right like it would be if he just gracefully

[01:23:19] you know turned into like a beam of light and then just sort of took form right or whatever you know like you can imagine much more sort of sanitary versions of this transformation the whole movie doesn't make sense anymore like needs to be a little

[01:23:35] freaky and a little kind of like not like not like he's stealing the body but like you know it just needs to be kind of physical and gross for yes it's like an invasion of privacy in so many ways yeah he's not like an astral projection

[01:23:51] he is like a like DNA flesh and blood it's kind of crucial it feels like a carpenter thing although maybe it was in the script I don't know but yeah but also just the fact that it's like okay here's this woman in this like catatonic state of grief

[01:24:07] then suddenly she walks into her living room and there's like a baby with adult eyes staring into her soul right what the fuck is this then she watches it grow and transform which is already going to be the freakiest shit she's ever witnessed in her life and then

[01:24:23] it turns into her dead husband like just sort of like the absolute insanity of what she is witnessing you know then it talks in an alien language which I really think is great and subtle too but like yeah how are you gonna react like

[01:24:41] you're in a total shock you must be in total fucking shock right and she's in like the shock phase of her grief as well like she's just like you have to imagine to some degree she questions whether she's having a mental breakdown or something oh yeah yeah

[01:24:59] I mean she wakes up from initially and it's like that was the weirdest dream I mean classic classic reaction but I understand it I want to point out something that interests me that I was in the dossier this movie is shot by Donald Morgan who shot

[01:25:17] Christine it is not shot by Dean Cundey I do think this movie would be better if it was shot by Dean Cundey just because I think it would be better absolutely fucking rip this thing off he would like he would just and I this is the same year

[01:25:31] that Cundey does romancing the stone this is now he's in bed with Zemeckis and that's going to take him through better part of it he needs to do big trouble in little china but oh I forgot he does do that but this is a very interesting

[01:25:45] little tip a salty little quote from John Carpenter who by and large all of the quotes J.J. and Nick found him talking about this movie he's very very pleasant about it he seems to have really enjoyed making it he seems very proud of it

[01:25:59] they ask him why no Dean Cundey and he says we've had a parting of the ways it may only be temporary but we've had a few problems however Dean's work is excellent there's no doubt about that we make a good

[01:26:09] team the look of my pictures from Halloween through the thing is beautiful he did a terrific job shooting romancing the stone last year but before we could ever work together again we would have to clear up some attitude problems yeah you know fucking John Carpenter the angry none

[01:26:25] rapping Dean Cundey on the rule that me the knuckles with the ruler I don't know so clearly a little salty yeah yeah I don't know I wonder I wonder yeah that's just it's just because this movie looks great it's a good looking movie like but I just

[01:26:41] he it's so Dean Cundey it's so ready for him you know that sort of sentimentality and like all the lights and the blues and that you know it would be great okay Cundey also just looks so cuddly you imagine him being such a sweetheart and then Carpenter's

[01:26:59] like this squiggly guy he's like smoking and he's like he's got attitude problems but I did I mean I will say I don't want to speak at a school but I did hear there were similar problems sort of attitude issues between him and Garfield

[01:27:13] which is why he didn't come back for tale of two kitties he shot the first Garfield movie is that yeah I guess that's only funny if you have that as top of your noggin which speaks to the way my brain works

[01:27:27] where I'm like yeah everyone knows that Dean Cundey shot Garfield the movie but not the sequel it's Todd in film school it is Todd in film school the Griff films go on so they go on a road trip I love road trips guys

[01:27:41] I love a road trip movie I love you know the sort of damp American you know Midwest like I love just like the atmosphere yeah I've never been to a truck stop that have like booths and pies and I got

[01:27:59] part of me feels like they don't exist and part of me feels like I'm just taking the wrong road trips oh no they exist I've been to some truck stops in my day they got casinos KD they got fucking everything man oh I've seen some video poker

[01:28:11] I know I know my way around those you know the ones with the showers and everything but like that dutch apple pie have video games there where you can drive a truck just while you're or you can watch I roast ice road trucker you could do either of

[01:28:27] those things while at the truck stop it's pretty cool just Karen Allen crushes that diner order what does she get him she gets herself a burger and you know she gets two malton milkshakes or whatever dutch apple pie

[01:28:41] she gets two slices of apple pie forget what she gets him now I'm trying to devil the eggs sandwich devil eggs sandwich what the hell is that I have no idea that sounds great I mean it's a it's devil eggs musher sandwich or like egg salad

[01:28:55] but with mustard in it and paprika I'm into what I'm into it I know griffin's not into it but what amount of paprika on the sandwich it should have a little shit these are devil eggs David that is a sandwich that has paprika on it

[01:29:13] yeah that was the joke I was making yeah have you realized that yes I realized it that's why I said it then swing it in 10 seconds later and then he asked why you can't eat the apple pie first and he's right

[01:29:31] explaining that he can't eat the pie first and then he's like you know he let him eat the pie damn man I don't know that's just the way things are done like I love that kind of thing but it's like I'm sure

[01:29:45] Katie you've experienced this a thousand times now but I feel like I had that conversation with my parents all the time where I'd be like why and they'd be like I don't know just do it that way there's so many like raising small children things in this

[01:29:57] and like you're like it's not like he's child like it's just like kind of like stating the playing question and you're just like I didn't really think about it that way I guess that's how this works and then they both eat the pie it looks like it's terrific

[01:30:09] I just want to read this Karen Allen quote I know I was talking before about her hesitation signing onto the movie but she said I thought Starman was also extremely risky professionally and creatively the idea of it being a human being

[01:30:21] as opposed to a muppet or a mechanical creature playing an alien trying to do it realistically as opposed to one of those science fiction spoofs where it's just a monster walking around or you've got a man working some strange puppet

[01:30:31] to keep that reality going for the both of us to be able to play it all the way through a four month shoot and to do it well and believably was quite a challenge which when you think about it it does make you realize how much

[01:30:43] of a challenge that is for her as well to constantly play all of those scenes where he's behaving so oddly and almost everyone else they experience has a clear role to play which is just be like you sir are a weird fella and she has to be like

[01:30:57] playing on four different levels at the same time you know because you settle into like if you're on a road trip like that like she's going to get bored of his shtick like she's going to have to fall asleep and eventually she's just going to treat him

[01:31:09] like he's part of her background even though it's a crazy situation that she said and she plays that so there's that but then there's also this emotionally charged situation of he looks like my dead husband this is putting me through a bunch of shtick

[01:31:23] this isn't him it's reminding me of all these things and then the third level is my life at stake I'm being kidnapped and held hostage at gunpoint and then the guy sitting next to was going like blah blah blah blah blah it's like a very challenging

[01:31:39] two-hander you know and she said like I didn't really feel like I was acting with him in a lot of ways because like I'm not looking at him for the whole first half of the movie you know there's like a lack of chemistry by design you know

[01:31:55] you're not really engaging he was so in his thing it was I didn't really feel like his personality was coming through and they must have filmed it to some extent in order because it's a road trip like they have to get from location location

[01:32:07] I don't know how much they did though I read that bridges like went through the script and came up with levels of modulation like his script was like noted to death and the marrogan so that he could go back to a scene and be able to chart

[01:32:21] exactly where he would be in his development oh yeah right he had to keep track of it because they didn't shoot in sequence unsurprisingly because it's all over the fucking place this movie but you know that's the kind of shit

[01:32:35] Jeff Bridges does because he's got a crazy heart and he'll you know he'll never fall in the door in the floor I really was really really David I don't remember why this came up in some recent episode but we talked about

[01:32:51] the fact that none of us could remember what the song was called in Crazy Heart for how big a deal it was and at winning the Oscar and everything we did that like two episodes ago and I already can't remember that fucking

[01:33:01] song as well it's the weary kind right even when he's the weary kind he shows up to set ready to work yes and you know I like when he's kind of he looks tired at a certain point and that's the first time you clock like oh

[01:33:17] he is not an alien he must obey human rules like he's fucking tired but like the fact that he's not playing it by like like hunched over coughing like he just avoids every obvious trap of this and sometimes he goes smaller

[01:33:33] than you expect and sometimes he goes bigger than you expect like he takes really big risks in this performance I also just like lines like I have a great emptiness or this body has a great emptiness to describe hunger yeah you know what

[01:33:47] I'm realizing it's funny that Jeff Bridges is in K-Packs of course you know one of the 10 most influential movies ever made and not something that doesn't exist in which he plays a guy trying to get inside of the head of a guy who's like I'm an alien

[01:34:01] you're not an alien man right that's all just weird that's another thing about Bridges talking like versus bacon or Douglas or cruise or whatever where like Bridges has that voice that almost sounds like it's modulated like his voice was so deep even from a young

[01:34:23] age well now it's like absurd it's crazy right but like even you watch Last Picture show and you're like that's like an odd voice to be coming out of a 16 year old you know and then he's got that like sort of folksy draw

[01:34:35] on top of it but it does it you know it lends a quiet eeriness especially in the first chunk when he's saying so little yeah and then when he's like you know turning into more of a human you get why people would like go on a car

[01:34:49] ride with him be like yeah okay that's a person I believe that he's also just so fucking handsome so handsome well yeah David you were telling me that after I was texting you about watching Witness for the first time about Harrison Ford Katie likes hunks from the 80s

[01:35:05] then we'll talk about how hot hot Jeff Regis is so I feel like we should dig into that that's very weird and unique Katie that you like the best looking men ever to be in movies Katie's got this curious taste Harrison Ford David I'm Bridges

[01:35:21] I'm making fun of you David for texting you as if that's like huh no no I'd like there's something about having been born in the 80s I was born in was just like there was a couple of places where you could live in the 80s and then

[01:35:37] you know the old days you know when the first thing comes out where you grow up with like the dude you grow up with Harrison Ford in Air Force One who's like so very good looking man there's something about going back and seeing these people you have grown

[01:35:51] up with as like grown people and being like oh my God that's what you look like in the mid 80s like you rediscover them I think like babyface bridges, great. A very, a very cute guy. Right. So they're two babyface nominations, both of which he's this hot shot

[01:36:07] sort of like shitty eating grin young kid. Okay. And honestly that last picture show nomination is surprising. You'd think I guess he bottoms might have campaigned as a lead or something, but like, he has a lot more weight in that movie

[01:36:20] and like Jeff Bridges is playing the dopey guy. He's so good. That is the kind of Oscar nomination that used to happen where Hollywood would just be like, well, this person's undeniably a movie star. This is the guy. Right. It's not like an Oscar role or performance

[01:36:34] other than that this guy is on fucking fire. I mean, he also talks about like that was pre Oscar campaign. So he just woke up in the morning and was like, what happened? Hey, yeah, one of the five. He knew that like that movie was designed

[01:36:47] to win Ben Johnson and Oscar. And he was just like, no one had even thrown out the possibility that I would get nominated for this fucking thing. Then you got 80s Bridges, so Cutter's Way, which is he's so hot. This jagged edge. Against all odds. Like again,

[01:37:07] let's, those movies. Tron is sort of, he's still kind of baby facing Tron, but Tron I guess. But so that just grown up, handsome man Jeff, then we've got 90s Bridges. This is like dad handsome. For right. Right. Starting with Baker Boys

[01:37:24] and then you got like Fisher King blown away, right? Fearless white squall where his hair is longer. Yeah. Right. Maybe he's got a little, a little beard or something. Playing a couple of scrumbums in this era. Like sometimes plays a, yeah, a more, a more conflicted character.

[01:37:41] Very intense. Takes a lot of intense roles. Then 2000s we've got, Well, you skip Lebowski. Lebowski is kind of the entry to the next phase, right? Where it's like, you know, he's sort of an elder statesman by this point. This is the weird thing about Lebowski is like,

[01:37:59] Lebowski comes out, no one gives a shit about it. It's a weird one-off performance for him. It was the, the Coen brothers fall up to Fargo and everyone was like, what the fuck is this? He goes back to like the previous Bridges mode, like K-Packs, Arlington Road,

[01:38:14] fucking Contender, Seabiscuit. Those all sort of fall into what you're talking about. And then around like 2005, everyone's like, oh, Lebowski is the best shit ever. We should have him play that all the time. So now everyone starts asking him to do that.

[01:38:28] Right. And the other thing is people realize that he is the dude kind of like the Coen brothers are like, yeah, we cast him because that's like what he's like. Like, do you guys not know that about Jeff Bridges? Right. So then you have-

[01:38:42] Right. Like Doran the floor is like sad dude. Right? Then Tide Land is like way too much dude. Yes. Right. And then I mean, is Crazy Heart the beginning of the next phase? I guess it is. Crazy Heart is beginning a marble mouth phase.

[01:38:57] Iron Man is the end of the last phase. Like Iron Man and he's playing like fake Graden Carter in the same year as Iron Man, which is like an interesting combo. But yeah, Crazy Heart then like it all like coalesces finally.

[01:39:12] He made a father son road trip movie with Justin Timberlake. What's it called? The open road. Oh, the same year as Crazy Heart. You gotta get on the, I remember this poster. Geez. Timberlake, one of his worst looks. Yeah. Jesus. And I see that- Yeah, it's bad.

[01:39:32] It's like a really in between phase. Both playing baseball players. What is this fucking movie? I don't know. It got released like Labor Day weekend 2009. So like two months before Crazy Heart. And like when I feel like with Crazy Heart,

[01:39:44] it's not like anyone had ever given up on Jeff Bridges, right? It's been a few years since he'd had a successful film excluding Iron Man, which was not a Bridges vehicle. Iron Man teased it up, right? Like Iron Man you're like, hey.

[01:39:57] But there was that thing with Crazy Heart where it was like, that's it. He's winning. It was like that movie was like completely off the radar. It plays at Toronto and it doesn't have distribution. And then Fox buys it and they're like, we're putting this in theaters tomorrow.

[01:40:13] He's gonna win the Oscar. Because like he's up against Clooney and up in the air. Now Clooney is probably not gonna win again, but that's a big performance from a big love actor. Firth and a single man who usually will be walking away

[01:40:25] with it because that's the kind of shit they love, right? Morgan Freeman playing Nelson Mandela, which felt like the biggest slam dunk of all time. Right. And then Jeremy Renner in the Hurt Locker, which is like sort of like, it's like, well,

[01:40:36] if we're gonna give this best picture, how do we not give this guy the best actor? Like he's so much of the movie. And they're like, no, shut up. I don't want to hear it. We've whiffed on bridges six times already or whatever. Like we're not whiffing again.

[01:40:49] And then he's like, fine, but what if I did two more performances that would make sense as my Oscar? My like legacy Oscar. The other thing is that like crazy heart, what is it? I mean, True Grit's only a year after Crazy Heart.

[01:41:04] I just remember like when he's on the Crazy Heart Oscar trail being like, he's doing true grit with the Coen brothers next. Don't you think we should wait a year? Does anyone doubt that's gonna be a better performance? Give it to Firth this year.

[01:41:18] And then instead Firth wins in 2010 for King's Speech. Like they should have swapped Oscar years. Well, right, but also like, you know, Jared Tessie Eisenberg should probably winning that year, but look, there's a lot going on. There's a lot going on. Well, the other thing is though,

[01:41:33] he's playing a role that had won another guy, a legacy Oscar in True Grit. So it's like, surely we're not gonna do that again. But they could have done it. Yeah, but Crazy Heart is also- Could have been like Joker. Crazy Heart is like him?

[01:41:46] Yeah, right, Joker at the only- You wanna win an Oscar? Play either Joker or Rooster Cogburn. Right, no, I mean, what? It's Joker and Elizabeth II, I think are the only two characters that- Is that right? Different actors have won Oscars for playing. Am I wrong about that?

[01:42:01] You know, I think you might, I mean, I don't know off the top. I was gonna say Vida Corleone, but of course, no yes, Vida Corleone. Oh, yeah, right. For Vida Corleone is the other one. Those are the three. What was I gonna say about Bridges?

[01:42:12] Oh, Crazy Heart's also kind of just him doing tender mercies though. Yeah, it is and it's a worse version and I don't really like that movie, although he's good obviously. Yeah, he's undeniably good in that movie. That movie is just-

[01:42:25] I just remember that movie being kind of annoying. It's just one of those movies where you're like looking at your watch like, when's he gonna fuck up? Like when's it gonna happen? You know, like when's the turn coming where he's gonna, you know,

[01:42:38] oh, he's the sweetheart and he's gonna do something stupid. When she leaves him with a kid, I just was like, I don't wanna fucking watch this. What are you doing? Yeah, yeah. Forgotten thing about that Oscar race

[01:42:46] that like I feel like was too obvious to say at the time but now you don't remember. The guy who wrote those song, the weird kind, Ryan Bingham, who's like in the movie as a musician, that is the name of George Clooney's character and up in the air.

[01:42:58] It's so weird. It's just so bizarre coincidence and- No, he was called Mr. Air. So I don't know what you're talking about. Who is up in Mr. Air? Is that Vera Farmiga, the title actually? Yeah, she was all up in his air. He was the titular role.

[01:43:18] Did you have Oscar facts? Katie, didn't you say you had Oscar facts about him? Yeah, I'm holding a big Oscar book. Wait, are we done talking about Starman? So are we gonna jump back to this? No, but let's just- I don't know. We don't wanna forget.

[01:43:29] We're just talking. Never forget. So like, so this is about on the day this year, this is the year where there were three different movies about women in Dust Bowl who all got nominated, Sally Field, Who Went to Places in the Heart.

[01:43:41] And then I'm gonna like look through this book and fail to remember. I think Jessica Lang and Country- Jessica Lang and Country for The River. And Sissy Spacek. It doesn't say much about Jeff Bridges at all. I kind of see like the vibe from this book.

[01:43:51] The book that I'm holding is called Inside Oscar, the unofficial history of the Academy Awards by Mason Wiley and Damien Bono, which is really great for just like remembering all of the buzz stuff that is completely easy to forget. So it doesn't talk about Jeff Bridges much.

[01:44:03] It seems like it was just like, there's four people and then Jeff Bridges showed up and hey, everybody likes him. It feels like a little bit of a surprise nomination though just because it is genre thing. It wasn't a huge hit.

[01:44:14] And then you also look and he like didn't win critics awards. He won the Saturn Award. He got a Golden Globe nomination and then got the Oscar. Well, and the person who spot he took, and Griffin you might be able to guess this,

[01:44:27] they were, there was like a widely expected person who was going to get in for Best Actor who won New York Film Critics Circle but didn't get nominated. 1984, I know. 1984, it's definitely one of your guys. It's a comic performance. It's maybe this guy's best movie performance.

[01:44:51] And Rex Reed famously dissed him after the New York Film Critics Circle. Weird. I'm getting caught up on, I know in 88, New York Film Critics gives Best Actor to Keaton for Beetlejuice and Clean and Sober which is one of my favorite things ever. Pretty cool.

[01:45:07] So I'm trying to think like 84. Who's another comedian, can make actor that you love? Is it Steve Martin performance? Steve Martin performance. Is it, I'm getting my ears wrong here. It's not Roxanne, is it? Nope. No. Dirty Rhymes Countries? Nope. What's his performance?

[01:45:26] Like a movie where he's really giving a performance. The comic, it's like kind of a big performance. All of me? All of me. All of me. Cool. Yeah. It's pretty cool, right? And he got the Globe Nom. So he was definitely in there. Yeah, interesting.

[01:45:42] I don't love that movie but that's sort of like an undeniable skill piece. Right. That's the thing. He's acting. Like you know, but the nominees are the two Amadeus guys. Right. Albert Finney and Under the Volcano, which is where at this point, with a great performance

[01:46:02] and at this point it's like every time they're passing on a legend, right? You know, he's, you know, and they pass again, like and whatever. And then he passed away. He did, I mean many years ago. And Sam Waterson in the killing fields,

[01:46:15] which is actually like not a particularly good performance but it's fine. And I guess it was just sort of like, he was so big and everyone thought he was going to be like the next serious leading man. And he had such like fucking public theater bonafides. Right, exactly.

[01:46:29] And so it's sort of a, you know, and so yeah, it does feel like Bridges kind of snuck in there even though when you look at these five actors, the only guy who's more of a Titan than Bridges is Finney.

[01:46:40] Like, you know, no offense to F. Murray Abraham and Tom Hall's the end. Offense taken. Sam Waterson, who I love. Well, I love him all. To go back to Steve Martin for a second so at the New York Film Critics Circle Awards,

[01:46:51] he comes up and accepts his award. He says, so Rex Reed had written his column. I'm still in shock over that one about Steve Martin winning. And so then Steve Martin shows up at the awards. He says, it is a great honor to have been given this award

[01:47:01] by so many distinguished critics and Rex Reed. Hell yeah. Cool. Take that Rex. Way harsh. Yeah. So at these Oscars themselves, the big scandal that I was kind of astonished by is that Amy Irving was going to present and she is pregnant and has been,

[01:47:16] is with Steven Spielberg but they are not married. And there was bunch of discussion backstage where whether or not an unwed pregnant woman should be allowed to present at the Oscars. Wow. So that was their final. 1985. 1985. This is also the Oscars where Prince shows up

[01:47:33] at the red carpet with 20 uniformed escorts on motorcycles around his purple limousine that the paint was still wet on and he wore a purple hood sequined hood cape. And then... Wins best picture. Wins best song. Wins an Oscar. Best song and song score.

[01:47:49] I think he won both, yeah. And then the... No, he didn't win best song. He lost but he wasn't even nominated for best song. Weird. Anyway, carry on. The last thing was excited at the after party

[01:47:58] is that Jeff Bridges mother made her way over to one of her son's former co-stars Sam Waterston to tell him we rooted for Jeff but we rooted for you too. I just thought that was nice. He brought it to the Oscars. Yeah. That is nice.

[01:48:09] Yeah. This seemed like a wild Oscars honestly. It's just funny because when you look... It's one of those things where you look at the Golden Globes and they nominated all five. Their actor and a drama nomination is the same as the Oscar.

[01:48:22] But then in comedy, you have Martin and all of me. You have Bill Murray and Ghostbusters. You have Eddie Murphy and Beverly Hills Cop. You have these like titanic kind of performances that are all deserving of Oscar attention. You've also got Robin Williams and Moscow on the Hudson,

[01:48:37] which is, you know, a broad performer. Playing Yelkoff-Smearnoff. I mean Yelkoff-Smearnoff has like shit on that performance for years being like, he stole my bit. And then they all lost to fucking Dudley Moore in some Blake Edwards piece of shit called Mickey and Ma. Are you kidding me?

[01:48:55] Which like, isn't that insane? Like the Globes where you're like, ah, the Globes kind of got it right. And they're like, no, no, no, shut up. Shut up, Dudley Moore to the stage. Not only that, it's like... Time to win your sixth globe.

[01:49:08] I know Dudley Moore had a real hot run there, but you're like talking about arguably the two... Four biggest male comedy stars of the last 25 years. Right? It's like, yeah, I mean, certainly of the 80s. Like that is... No, Martin Williams, Murphy and fucking Murray. And Murray.

[01:49:32] Bill fucking Murray in Ghostbusters. In Ghostbusters, he busted ghosts. It's also... Did that count for nothing? Nothing. He wasn't afraid of them. It's also just absurd that like Beverly Hills Cop gets a best screenplay Oscar nomination. And it's like, Eddie Murphy wrote that whole movie. Yeah.

[01:49:52] Like you should give him a best actor nomination if you like that film. He just made it up. It's just funny to look back. But, uh... Dudley Moore. Starman. Starman. Are there starman scenes? We want to... The diner scene is so big for me.

[01:50:09] The diner scene is so big. What do we want to ask? Indigene, the cops who were chasing them down from the motel, did you guys recognize who we're looking at? No. So, Dirk Blocker, who plays Hitchcock on The Nine-Nine, looks exactly the same.

[01:50:25] Just exactly the same in this movie as he does on The Nine-Nine. I recognized the other guy. It's MC Ganey. It's MC Ganey. Yeah. Wow. Mr. Beard from Law, some of these and lots of things, obviously. You famously see his penis in sideways, a plastic moment.

[01:50:40] That was not what I was thinking of, but that... That's what I was thinking of. Oh, and then I finally found the notes that I was talking about before we started recording. And I'm not trying to diss this or anybody else was saying this,

[01:50:49] but there's like a proto-forest gum vibe in this performance. In the hat and in the check shirt and in the strange speaking and in the man who is not quite a person, there's some link between those two there. Yes, yes.

[01:51:03] I mean, look, it is a very fine line he's walking. Right? Because it can very easily read as like cognitively impaired. And you also don't want scenes of everyone treating him like he's a child. It's why it's crucial, right? That again, he is not exactly an innocent.

[01:51:26] Like, because if he was then again, it would be like, oh, he has the mind and the spirit of a child. We must look at earth through a child's eyes or whatever, you know what I mean? It's not quite that...

[01:51:38] I mean, look, we're curious about like what a good actor he is and what a sort of hardworking actor he is and all the things he contributes to this performance. But when you talk about just like, you know, fundamental qualities that help a performance

[01:51:51] like casting, you know, things that you can't sort of manufacture, it does help that he's got an old man's eyes. Like even when you watch Last Picture Show, there is that weird thing where even at his like most youthful and as you said, sort of like baby face,

[01:52:10] he's got like somewhat weary eyes. He's the weary kind. He's the weary kind. Becay to be me too. He ain't no place for the weary kind. I don't remember the lyrics to that song. What else? There's that... I do like him walking out of the fire

[01:52:27] with the weird force field. Yeah, that shot that's on the DVD cover. There are some really great dad jokes. Like, there's, you know, some dad energy in this movie and the one I love is the gas station where ZZ Top, one of the band members,

[01:52:45] shows up in a cameo and he says something about her character being the women's restroom and he goes gas. And he goes, yeah, I get it. You know, which is a subtle fart joke. That's someone in ZZ Top? Mm-hmm. Wow.

[01:53:01] I did not know that and I love ZZ Top. It's Billy Gibbons or whatever. It's Billy Gibbons? Wow. It's incredible. Love it. We love Billy Gibbons. We love ZZ Top. Ben once made fun of me for liking ZZ Top, but he's wrong. OK, we'll leave it at that.

[01:53:17] The yellow light joke where he almost the hay truck flips over and he's like, I was paying very close attention to you. Red is stop, green is go, yellow is drive faster. Yep. Like some great fucking stuff, man. They're so good stuff. Yeah.

[01:53:35] Quiet, like because if it was too jokey, like you guys were saying, you would get you would really lose, like, you know, the emotional attachment you're building with the character. But that stuff plays really well. Also a lot of hay in this movie.

[01:53:50] Now I'm real, two different sequence. I also think this movie threads the needle really well in terms of the logic of obviously like he's an advance being. He can learn very quickly, right? But filling in the gaps of like what he understands

[01:54:07] and what he doesn't understand, where it's like they don't speed things up too much where it becomes unnatural. But it's also not just frustrating where you're forty five minutes in. And it's like, you still don't understand like prepositions. Come on, you know, like.

[01:54:23] But they always find even the smoking kind of comes later in the movie. Yeah. Where he smokes a sig and just like, like, I mean, you were expecting it to happen again. Like it kind of plays like just like a quiet, funny moment where he

[01:54:35] just has like a coughing fit afterwards. Such a good coughing fit. He plays that beautifully. Yeah. Like generally surprised, like what is happening to my body? I don't mean this as like a full criticism and I hope it doesn't come out

[01:54:52] as such, but I want I want to throw a topic out in the table for discussion. I don't know if it's the performance or the writing of the character but the Charles Martin Smith role is always hits me a little strange.

[01:55:07] I always feel like I can't totally figure out what they're going for with this guy. This is the scientist who decides that he wants to help him in the main. Yes, yes. He's the more benevolent of the chasers essentially, you know. And I like Charles Martin Smith.

[01:55:22] I do too. I do too. American graffiti, obviously we enjoy, you know, the untouchables. Yes. He was the most touchable of the untouchables. And then becomes like America's preeminent animal director. He does airbud and the Dolphin Tale movies. Wow. This is almost as good a transition as Dinky.

[01:55:44] Oh my God, Dinky Dave, Dinky. Dinky Dean. Dinky Dean. Dinky. Yeah, this also this is the stuff that you remember that movie Midnight Special, which like what? What's up with Jeff Nichols? What's he doing now? Is he making like a quiet place movie or something?

[01:55:59] But like and everyone was like, oh, this movie is so Spielberg-y. And I'm really, I'm like, it's very starman. So star man. Yes. And the Adam Driver role is sort of the right like the sort of benevolent government agent role works a lot better in that movie.

[01:56:15] Yes, because I think with driver A, you're playing that tension of is this guy a menace or is he on the right side? You know, there's that. I don't know. There's that juice to it. And I think you buy both sides of it from him.

[01:56:31] And with Charles Martin Smith, it feels like they can't pick which type of guy he is because it's sort of like, oh, he's like Ernest Dork, but then he's also kind of an asshole. There's the cigar thing, which is bizarre.

[01:56:44] Like sometimes he's big dogging people and other times he's like very like, come on, it's science. Yeah. You know? And I like him a lot. And I always feel like I like the role this character plays in the movie. I've seen this movie.

[01:56:59] I guess this was maybe my third time. And I always think like, oh, I'm going to get his performance this time. I'm going to figure it out. And I just kind of can't get my head around this guy.

[01:57:10] The movie kind of just sort of slows down on those scenes. Like I really just kind of want to be with them. Like I don't I just don't care as much about that stuff. So yeah. But as you said, in relation with Midnight Special cuts to Adam Driver,

[01:57:22] you're on the edge of your seat. You're like, what the fuck's going on here? Well, I'm driver is America's favorite big weirdo. So, you know, that's a good point. The scene that he has with them, though, in that like round

[01:57:35] like Navajo diner, I guess, basically is really good, though. Like when he finally gets to them, it's like it was worth the time to spend with him sort of to have like the sheer wonder in his eyes when Jeff Bridges starts talking.

[01:57:47] Yeah, I just kind of, I guess, wish he had picked a lane earlier than that. It's worth it. But I just feel like the character feels a little unfocused to me. I also just want to fail in because I was trying to remember, of course,

[01:57:59] the other thing that Jeff Nichols has been working on recently, David, five episodes of the scripted Children's podcast, Hank the Cowdog, of course, starring Matthew McConaughey as Hank the Cowdog. I'm subscribing right now. Hank the Cowdog. We love it.

[01:58:14] Kirsten Dunst as Sally May, Jesse Plemins as Drowver, Joel Edgerton as Rip, Michael Shannon as Sinister. What? Cynthia Arrivo as Madame Moonshine. Leslie Jordan as Pete the Barncat. What is this? Is this like a fucking, you know, some kind of weird shell thing?

[01:58:32] Like it's like they're moving money through this podcast. Check out the link in the episode notes. Absolutely. Like subscribe. Yeah. Hank the Cowdog, the self-declared head of ranch security, finds himself smack dab in the middle of a host of tangled mysteries

[01:58:48] and capers that span the universe of the Texas panhandle cattle ranch that Hank calls home. Well, I'm sold. Well, you might be interested in hearing that Hank is joined on these tail wagging tons. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No, I have David.

[01:59:04] I won't read the whole thing, but I have to get this one sentence out. Hank is joined on these tail wagging tongue slobbering adventures by a motley assemblage of characters, not leech of which is the less than trusty sidekick drover, a small but uncorrigous mutt.

[01:59:23] Wow. You know how we were talking about new zoom features before? I wish there was a zoom feature where prison bars just came down on quick screen. And it was like locked in. I've subscribed. I have pulled it up. I subscribe. I'm going to report back.

[01:59:45] OK, OK. Find out what Jeff's been up to. I hope Charlie next week is doing a cow dog recap podcast. We're going to make millions on this. The only big thing we haven't talked about is just that. Yeah, that he gives her a baby and then he leaves.

[02:00:03] Well, the ending. We've got to talk about the ending. It's incredible. The Barencher crater is so cool, obviously. He's got this great line, I think right before they get to the crater that I wrote down just in terms like talking about his language,

[02:00:16] where he just says, I will miss the cooks and the singing and the dancing and the eating, which is such a good like that's that's planet Earth right there. Right. And then and then she like looks at him and he says like and the other things. Yeah.

[02:00:29] Like she gives him the look of like. Remember we we fucking joined the the 10 inch high club or whatever the fuck Ben called it. 12 inch Ben Ben 12 foot. Sorry. Um, the way I yeah, just his whole thing.

[02:00:47] Like, you know, there's again, the easier way of doing the aliens. Like, you know, you are a primitive species, but, you know, you only you understand love. He doesn't ever say anything like that. Right. But I do like the way he talks about his civilization

[02:01:00] where he's like, look, we've nailed it. Obviously we live in this like utopian civilization. We're very smart and every, you know, but like we are kind of missing something. I do kind of like the, you know, the danger of this place. Yeah. That's the Dutch apple pie.

[02:01:16] Yeah. Then just the whole like the like red lighting that David, you have as you zoom background and like the intensity of that ending and how he disappears. And it's just her face that gives you the special effect of seeing whatever it's like when he goes up.

[02:01:30] It's really beautiful. What a freckle face. What a face. What a freckle face. She's kind of one of the ultimate freckle faces in cinema history. Oh for sure. Yes. Yeah. Love care now. I think she's my winner this year. Let me see. I think she's interesting.

[02:01:45] My actress winner. Yeah. Well, weren't you guys talking on something else in the carpentry series by ending on a face about carpenter like an end on the close of somebody's face? Because this one definitely does. And I felt like it jogged memory made it.

[02:01:57] Yeah. I already forget it, but I think that is the case. I mean, I know she's my winner. Yeah. It's it's a fucking incredible performance. Do you folks know about the Starman TV show? Yeah. OK, so we have to talk about it for a second.

[02:02:13] For a second. Just for a second. Just because the concept of it is insane. Here's the thing. Yeah. Here's the thing. The concept logical, of course, because this movie does end with him giving her one of his little silver

[02:02:25] balls and being like my son will know what to do with it. I gave you a baby man. So OK, but this show, which aired in 1986, just two years later is set 15 years in the future because it's about his son. We don't want to be about a toddler.

[02:02:43] It's at 15 years in the future. Starman comes back to Earth. Karen Allen is missing. He and his son have to go on the run to find the missing. It's like the incredible Hulk, like every episode. They're in some new town and Starman is going to be weird.

[02:03:01] And the sun's going to be like, dad, you have to figure it out. And then they'll do some magic shit. Robert Hayes of Airplane plays Starman. And I'm forgetting the actor's name now, but the actor who plays the star boy is Christopher Daniel Barnes,

[02:03:18] who is Prince Eric is Prince Eric and also is Greg Brady in the Brady Punch move. Wow. That's right. He is right. We talked about him on The Little Mermaid. And so he's not pretending to be Jeff Ridges character. He's like, come back.

[02:03:30] Starman has come back in a different human body is the idea. No, he's he's the same. No, no, he's he's supposed to be the same person. Back then they didn't fucking give a shit. They're just like, he's Jeff Ridges and whatever. There's it is wild.

[02:03:43] Like I because I feel like I know, I know that in the season finale, they find the mom, they find Jenny. And then I think whatever ABC was like enough of this and they canceled it. I don't know where it was going to go.

[02:03:56] Right? Like how much more could there be? It just played on the fucking sci-fi channel for a decade. Like, oh, fuck, I was hoping it would be a Star Trek rerun and it's Star Man. Lame. That sucked ass.

[02:04:11] It's it's it's just like, yes, OK, he does sort of set up a future there at the end of the movie. This is not a movie that screams TV spin off. No, no, but but it is bizarre. Like because now, you know, every time there's some new

[02:04:25] deadline headline about like some overqualified person is going to adapt some movie as a prestige streaming show or whatever and you're like, come the fuck on. And then you look at TV in the 80s and 70s and the amount of TV TV shows that were based off of

[02:04:40] middle, middle successful movies. That just ran for a day. Yeah, a couple years ago. Right. And it's just and then network TV is like, OK, but how can it be like about a mystery of the week or whatever?

[02:04:53] Right? Like how can it be like the most procedural shit possible? Right. But then also like the amount of like beloved movies that became like real boilerplate sitcoms. It's it's just bizarre, you know? Yeah, guys. Remember John from Cincinnati? Yeah, of course. Yeah.

[02:05:10] Hey, I was a lot to this. Oh, so he comes and visits and he's mysterious and he's weird and he saws everybody's. OK, OK, OK, OK. Well, and also anything that said to him, he just replied. I don't know Dickie instead. There's the first episode.

[02:05:25] All he says is I don't know Dickie instead. Like, you know, because that's what someone said to him. I love John from Cincinnati. Wow. Because, you know, the John from Cincinnati, the first six episodes, he's just parroting dialogue that everyone else has around him.

[02:05:37] And then this incredible sixth episode, he brings all the characters together and mirrors all this dialogue at them and helps them realize all these emotional truths. And you're like, this show is fucking incredible. And then it kind of just keeps going

[02:05:49] and you're sort of like, I don't know, I think they might have. They should have just kind of ended it there. Like they kind of just had something there. And then it's like what is still about weird surfers and like a levitating alien guy.

[02:05:59] You know, like it doesn't have anything anywhere more to go. It missed the limited series. Such a cool thing. Yes, absolutely. Do you remember when we threatened that that was going to be like our third mini series that we were like, we're going to do Shyamalan to Wachowskis

[02:06:12] and then just do episode by episode John from Cincinnati? It was my because it is such a blank check that David Miltress like HBO fucks me around too much on Deadwood. I'm going to cancel Deadwood and do this surfer alien show.

[02:06:28] It's going to air out of the Sopranos finale that just like shattered America. They're going to be like, anyway, and now here's John from Cincinnati. Like, you know, that was its first episode. It is such a blank check thing. It's so cool.

[02:06:43] Cast that show is so fucking wild too. It's it's loaded out of control. Oh, it's so good. Good show. I learned from Wikipedia that in 2016, Sean Levy was planning to direct and produce a remake of Starman. Correct. My bloodless was on board. Kind of amazing.

[02:07:03] No one has remade Starman actually. Yeah, it is kind of just sitting there. Levy seems like the exact guy who would want to jump on that. And I hope it never happens. It's been five years and there doesn't seem to be another word on it.

[02:07:14] So I'm not too worried. I'm checking to see if it's on his IMDB still. Well, America has free guy fever. I mean, he's never going to make a movie that doesn't have Ryan Reynolds in it again. I mean, America loves free guy.

[02:07:25] Let's play speaking of free guy fever, the box office game for Starman Griffin. This film came out December 14th, 1984. Yeah. It opened number six. It's not in the top five. No, I found I found some quotes from a piece about the holiday season box office in 84,

[02:07:46] projecting what they thought the big hits of the season would be. And there was a quote that was just stunning. That was like Columbia's hoping for at least a five million opening for Starman, which would bode well for the movie's chances to join the hundred million dollar club.

[02:08:03] Isn't it? Is it was a different world back then? Right. Right. You're just like if a movie can open with five million in December on like a thousand screens, then you might leg it out to a hundred million dollars eleven months later.

[02:08:18] But but they thought this was going to be a huge, huge hit. And it did OK. It's OK. It made twenty twenty nine million dollars like it. But it very much, yeah, like, you know, did OK.

[02:08:30] Were they right to think it was going to be a huge hit? Like movies were different in the 80s. So that's like this doesn't scream next to you to me. I this is the thing. I think when you describe the basic premise of this movie and we're joking

[02:08:41] about like how bizarre all the poster tagline and images are. But there is like a very clean pitch for this movie that sounds like such a fucking emotionally potent thing where it's just like an alien lands on earth and takes the body of a woman's dead husband.

[02:08:59] Right. You're just like fuck, I could see that movie being emotionally devastating in like a very accessible way. And it's like fantasy and it's romance and sci fi. It's venture and like all this sort of shit. And I think, you know, one of the reasons this film has

[02:09:19] you know, lasted well and I think all of Carpenter's can in his age particularly well is that he is an aggressively unsanimental filmmaker who has not cut up in the trends of the time. And I think he didn't make the version of this movie

[02:09:32] that would have been a colossal sort of like officer and a gentleman style like romance hit, you know. But he gets his just as sort of decades later when people still love his movies. Yeah. I think he made a movie with

[02:09:48] that's a lot more interested in the sort of bottled emotions and that lack of like huge catharsis probably cost it tens of millions of. Yeah, this movie doesn't have like these sort of holy shit sequences made his his birth, you know, aside that would have audiences

[02:10:06] whatever like buzzing and wanting more. I don't know. It's such a good movie though. So whatever rules, you know, like you said, Carpenter gets to eat up. But this is number six. OK. Number one, Griffin, it's a huge hit. We just mentioned it. It's a comedy.

[02:10:21] It's helping to launch a superstar. It never really helps this point. Beverly Hills Cop. I'd say this is the superstar mom. This is when he's gone. This is the right to a superstar. Yeah. Yeah. He is so good in that good movie.

[02:10:38] The highest grossing film of that year. Think Ghostbusters is. I always forget which was one and which was two because they were the tops. It's I do think it's Ghostbusters. It's maybe it's Beverly Hills Cop is set to worldwide or whatever according to a box office mojo.

[02:10:53] Oh, no, sorry. No, it's it's count. It's doing that thing where it's like calendar. It's like a mojo is terrible. Yeah, it is terrible. Sorry. Beverly Hills Cop is number one. Defund box office mojo cannot be reformed at this point.

[02:11:06] Beverly Hills Cop was down was down the list because it opened in December, which is a bullshit metric. Yes. Sorry. I fixed it. Right. That's it. It was number one. It was number one. It's they're very close to those two.

[02:11:16] Ghostbusters is still in the box office in its 28th week. While number two, number two is a massive famous failure. Famous blank check has nothing to do with a massive sci-fi movie that's coming out this year. Pretty much, you know, do it's David Lynch's doing

[02:11:39] opening at number two to six million dollars, a huge disappointment. Yeah. They thought it was going to be the Star Wars. They were ready. They like Lynch was writing the sequel. Like they were ready to keep going.

[02:11:53] And they had fucking coloring books on shelves and all the shit. Like they were just they were already. Yep. Dune number two. So could not dethrone Beverly Hills Cop. Number three is a buddy cop movie. OK. Sorry. Buddy crime movie. These guys are my attention are crimeies.

[02:12:12] OK, one of them is, I don't know, two huge actors. I guess by the 80s there, but they're huge. Is this the Clint Burt Reynolds movie? It is. What's it called? Fucking called. I always get this confused with the fortune by Richard Benjamin.

[02:12:29] It's right. That's a fair confusion because the fortune because they're both like period pieces. Fortune is is Mike Nichols, though, right? Yeah. Right. And that's Nicholson and Beatty. Yeah. OK. And this is fuck. Is it what's it called? It's called City Heat. Oh, yeah.

[02:12:48] I don't know. Like this poster looks pretty good. They're in raincoats. They got guns. They were old friends. It's nice that they finally did a movie together. Never seen it. It was not a huge hit by any means.

[02:13:03] You folks know the incredible story of like Eastwood and Reynolds going in for like the general meeting or the screen test at the studio, right? No. So they're like their buddies and they came up together and like their careers were very parallel for a while

[02:13:19] until they went off in obviously very different directions. They go in for a meeting with some like studio executive or screen test or whatever where they're in that era where they're just like, if you're a man and your shoulders are broad enough

[02:13:29] and your handsome enough, we'll just give you a 10 picture deal and we'll figure out where to put you later. Right? And the two of them walk in and this guy just like rips them both to shreds and he's just like, I mean, you're miserable. There's nothing here.

[02:13:40] Reynolds, you can't act. You have no charisma. You cannot deliver lines. You have no integrity or intelligence on screen. You're like a limp fish. Eastwood, you're like the weirdest looking guy I've ever seen. Like you can't open your eyes

[02:13:54] and you have this horrible Adam's apple and like all this shit. Can't talk above a whisper, all this stuff. And they walk out and like Reynolds has this big shit eating grin on his face. And Eastwood's like, why are you laughing?

[02:14:06] That guy just like ripped both of us to shreds. Everyone else is like, yeah, but I can learn how to act. What are you going to do with that fucking Adam's apple? I did not know that story. It's a great story. It's like, that's fine.

[02:14:24] I'll go to some classes or something. Because if someone teaches acting around here. Yeah, I'm handsome. Number four at the box office is another sequel. Why am I saying another sequel? It's a sequel. It's a sequel. One of the strangest sequels to ever exist.

[02:14:43] It is a sequel to a canonical masterpiece. Yes. It is coming 16 years later. Is it the sting to? No. It's not a call. Masterpiece. Oh, oh, oh. One of the five best films ever made if you'd like fucking did a family feud of film critics or whatever.

[02:15:02] Why am I not thinking it's not the two Jakes? No. Is it a sequel that does not retain the stars of the first movie? It sure doesn't, although I believe I believe one of the stars does a little a little cameo. No, different director, different stars.

[02:15:20] It's a space movie. It's a 2010. 2010, the year we make contact directed by Peter Himes. How many years later did you say 16 years later? Oh, I heard six. That's why I wasn't guessing it. Oh, well, 16. Yeah, 2010. Bizarre, bizarre.

[02:15:39] They just they were like, you know what, let's do a sequel to that movie that definitely is not setting up a sequel. Right. And also I don't think we need to bring Kubrick back. Right. He wasn't the key to success on that one. Right.

[02:15:53] Yeah, what did he really have to offer? Not a bad movie. I've seen it. It's fun. Peter Himes. Peter Himes, another person who almost directed Starman. Yeah. Yeah. Number five at the box office. This is a box office of flops like you got Beverly Hills Cop on top.

[02:16:11] Yeah. But then all these weird fucking movies. This is a huge epic movie from one of the most famous directors alive. It's a massive blank check for him. It's a giant bomb. Is it a vintage crime drama? No, no.

[02:16:25] It's one of those movies that this direct this director is still kicking around. He actually had some news about him today and he, you know, cotton club has reedited it. Yes, it's the cotton club. Copa played in New York Film Festival like two years ago, right?

[02:16:40] Beyond the big reed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. God fucking that that megalopolis news. It's I'm all for it. It's the long game. He's like, yeah, you thought I sold out selling wine 20 years ago. It was all to make of my movie. It's unbelieveable. Catch it in.

[02:16:59] Yeah. And I just love it. I'm selling the vineyards. Look, I built this fucking vineyard. It's worth a hundred million dollars. I'm going to die. I'll just sell it and make my fucking utopia movie and hope the kids listen. I'm all for it.

[02:17:11] But Francis, do it right now. Right now. You're not a young man. Time is of the essence. You got to go. Is it a blank check if it's your own money? Does that count? Yes. OK, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely.

[02:17:24] Absolutely. I mean, and to be clear, his quote was like, I'm hoping I'll get the financing together. If I can't get all the money together, I'll match it and put up half of the money. If no one gives me any money,

[02:17:36] I'll just pay for the whole fucking thing. I don't give a shit. I'm just going to do it. I will say. Exactly. Don't say that in public. I heard you could just do it on wine alone. Why am I giving you any money? I'm so amped.

[02:17:54] It's like the best news I've heard in so long. It really is. It really is. And it makes him going back and re-editing like everything over the last 10 years make more sense, where it's just like, I'm going to put all of that to bed.

[02:18:07] I'm going to make my final fucking movie and then drop a wine bottle on the floor and peace out. Say Rose, but I'm not saying it's true. Boy, Starman. We're done. We're done. We're done. We're done. We're done. We're done.

[02:18:21] There's one person that we forgot to shout out. OK, OK. The original Starman. So Ben, he changed his background to David Bowling. I've had that song. So I'm a star man waiting in the sky. Yeah. Ever since you guys asked me to do this,

[02:18:39] I've had that song stuck in my head. I know me too. It's which that song is what it's like the early 70s. That song's been around. Yeah, I guess they're doing. Do you think they had to talk to David Bowie before they called this movie Starman?

[02:18:52] I don't know. David Bowie would have been a good star man. He seems like an alien. Well, he already did. Yeah, Mansafel to Earth. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, fuck. Have you seen that movie, Ben? Very Ben movie. Very Ben. Oh, no. I don't know. I don't know.

[02:19:08] No, you probably haven't seen it. Yeah, you would remember if you'd seen it. Yeah, it's pretty memorable. It's good. You'd like it. Yeah. All right. Put it on the list. Put it on the list. Part of me was waiting for it to like the Starman song

[02:19:22] to be in the credits. I guess it's not really that kind of movie, but it was like, but it's just right there. It would be funny though, if it's just like this emotional ending and it's like, all right, Frank, the guitar is a star man.

[02:19:34] And then waiting in the sky. Isn't it in the Martian though? That's where it shows up eventually. I think it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. The Martian had all the, what was it, Abba? Or it had like, right? He's always listening to disco or something.

[02:19:49] What was your question, Katie? Yeah. I feel like the Martian uses... I feel like it uses two David Bowie songs. It uses Starman in like another one or like uses, can't use Rocket Man too, can it? Round control to figure out Tom. I'm only seeing Starman listed here,

[02:20:07] but it says the soundtrack includes and it's not. Let's, I don't know. Look, I don't know. I don't know. I can't figure this out right now. Is the end credit song for the Martian? I will survive. It should be. Could be. What a great movie.

[02:20:21] It has some joke, like needle drop over the end credits that I'm forgetting and I think that's what it is. This article from Billboard says that I will survive is on the soundtrack as is Abba's Waterloo, as is Don Summer's Hot Stuff.

[02:20:35] So yeah, more disco than I was remembering. It's because the whole point is that he, remember it's like that one of the people liked disco, right? And it's all he can listen to. And he's like, ah, damn it. Sebastian Stan, you love disco or whatever person.

[02:20:50] One of the characters. Remembering Sebastian Stan was an immersion. That's a big, that's a good poll. That's a great poll. It's a, yeah, Sebastian Stan. He's in that movie. It's Jessica Chastain's character who loves disco. Great movie, great comedy has been pointed out.

[02:21:05] Winner of the Golden Globe for Best Comedy. So funny. Yep. So funny. It is funny movie. It's a good movie. It's directed by Ridley Scott, who's a nice guy. I like the jokes and the comedy in it. Ridley Scott, who in this, in his Wikipedia picture,

[02:21:18] looks like someone like an angry person that like Grover is waiting on in Sesame Street and then we'll send a picture now. Look at him. Look at this. Just look at this. David that. Look at the link. I put it in the chat.

[02:21:31] David, that joke was such fucking griff bait. It was. It was a real good one. He's such a grouch. That's the face of a man who is not getting COVID. He's going to say, fuck you moving on. Not going to do it. Not going to do it.

[02:21:51] Katie, you're the best. It's always a pleasure. What a delight you guys. Katie, thanks for listening to me for the last year as I became a father and was very anxious about it. Oh, it's been so fun.

[02:22:03] I mean, I feel like as I speak for everyone who knows you, which is that this has been long in the works and you as a father is perfect. Hell, yeah. Yeah. Hell, yeah. You can't use that kind of language around your daughter. David.

[02:22:17] She's not going to repeat you yet, but she'll start. All right. Listen to little gold man read. Oh, yeah. Oh, wait, no. And every time David Orlik's on the show, he doesn't mention fighting in the war room. The podcast I do with him.

[02:22:29] And I give him shit about it. So fighting in the war rooms. That's why I do that too. We've been around for like this is our 10th year, which is bananas. So if you think if people like blank check for its longevity, come come find us.

[02:22:42] We've been around even longer. If they like blank check, but wish I'd been going on for three years more than fighting in the war room gets my highest recommendation. Talk about time warp. It's a fact that seven years of blank check is that what you're telling me?

[02:22:54] Coming up. Coming up. Six years coming up, right? This is our sixth year. This is our sixth year. March will be seven. It. Yeah. Well, you know, it does flip me out. It's a great month to have like an anniversary. Good thing happened in March.

[02:23:13] Yeah, I love March. You love March. Is there a joke I'm not getting here? Do you just love? Covid started. Oh, well, OK, enough. Enough. Enough. Thank you all for listening. Please remember to rate, review and subscribe. Thanks to Marie Barty for her social media

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[02:23:45] Thank you to J.J. Birch and Nicolay Rihanna for our research. I am losing my place in the chronology. But next week we have Big Trouble in Little China. That's right. Big movie. Big movie. Big. Yes. Big episode. Great guess. Great guess.

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[02:24:24] Staying a legend. And then blank is that right. I'm going to come for some real nerdy shit. That's that's that's what I have to say. OK. And as always, listen in as Hank, the cow dog always claims to know the answer is the last to realize he doesn't.

[02:24:43] But is the first to run headlong into tales of courage, loyalty and friendship? David, did you realize that there's a sandwich in this movie has paprika on it? Fuck you. Fuck you. Take a look at me now. I'm Jeff Bridges. I'm hot.