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[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check Hi! I've got a podcast I want to play

[00:00:29] Everyone is trying to get to the pod The name of the pod The pod is called Blank Check Oh Blank Check Blank Check is a place A place where nothing, nothing ever happens I didn't change any of the words for that part No, but it's true Yeah

[00:01:06] On target Very, very pointy I also said it's a place Thank you for sending me a podcast Blank Check is a pod I was like, nah, I can't do pod again and I can't do podcat You know what? Of course We all know As Thor told us

[00:01:23] Oh Blank Check is a people not a podcats I don't even know what you're saying When Asgard was a people not a place Then right I was like, too many Thor quotes Blank Check is a place not a podcast That's my fuzzy math Yeah I think that's stupid

[00:01:38] I think Blank Check is a feeling I think it's a feeling Yeah, okay, okay I'm on you with that Yes For me Blank Check is a question posed at the listener How much of this shit can you take? A new answer right now I couldn't disagree more

[00:01:56] Well, you know It's funny to bring that up because We threw open to our listeners A challenge A vote To name this miniseries Yeah We're discussing the films of Jonathan Demmey Blank Check is a podcast about Filmography He's a director of Master of Success

[00:02:12] Early on in their career You seem so exhausted of this Blank checks make whatever crazy Passion products they want And sometimes those checks clear And sometimes they bounce baby And this is a miniseries On the films of Jonathan Demmey Of course And we're whimsical fellows

[00:02:25] And we like to take one of the movies The director made And change the title So it has the word podcast Yeah Yeah, we're whimsical And we said Which of these should we pick And with a resounding Yeah, with some majority Yes Stop making podcasts

[00:02:41] Which felt a little bit Little pointed Little pointed Oh great So this is the titular episode That's true I'm surprised it's not pod making Cast Would have been nicer Kind of would have been nicer Less rude Pod making checks Right

[00:02:55] To be fair we did give them the option Okay Right We gave them a lot of options You should never give your audience An option to stop making podcast No And also I mean like The silence of the podcast Would have been mean in its own way

[00:03:06] I suppose That's what you did the smart thing Which was just Decide to stop making podcast Yeah, I kind of went There's no end to this What if I just choose it Yeah Well too bad because now you're a permanent guest On this podcast Alright

[00:03:21] Then lock the doors Hit the button Lock the gates Lock the gates That's fair This is a mystery on the films of Jonathan Deming It's called Stop Making Podcast And today we're talking about Stop Making Sense A movie Which spurred me to text David At 11.30 last night

[00:03:40] Is this the most perfect movie ever made? It's so good There's kind of an Pretty unambiguously perfect movie Right Or it's a perfect thing Perfect anything Are you guys covering all of his documentaries? We are not No Okay Because that would take very long time Yes it would

[00:03:55] He made five Neil Young movies Alone Sure Today And he's not even alive anymore No he's not It's just going to constant and thinking I gotta do something with all this footage I took from the audience Yeah no Because he made one, two, three, four Nine documentaries total

[00:04:13] Including this one This is... and ten if you include Swimming to Cambodia Which is sort of like And I don't There you go That's why we put it behind the paywall Yeah So this is I suppose This is us acknowledging His nonfiction work Yes Right

[00:04:29] Which unfortunately we just Do not have the time to Like Completely cover Yes You should cover his TV work as well The pilot of a gifted man Yeah that Patrick Wilson show Is that him? Yeah I think he directed Three episodes of SNL Right The killing

[00:04:43] He directed an episode of the killing Oh that one Seven seconds on Netflix Which was released after he died Oh weird That's right Oh my god It's a show about the death Of Jonathan Demi No one knows who I'm telling the truth or not

[00:04:57] Because I don't think anyone No one's ever heard of that show No Roy Shire plays Jonathan Demi Yeah what if Netflix just starts Announcing like Yeah we're uh I don't know We're rebooting Jaws and Zacy Beatz is in it You can call us on it

[00:05:10] Try and find it You know what I would love It's up there right now Try and find it You know the way that Netflix just bought You from Lifetime And then was like It's an Netflix original Yeah They bought David Sims of course In an overall deal

[00:05:21] But they also bought the pen badsly star You Which had air You've spoken about this on the podcast This is a new idea Your bugbear This is a new joke I'm gonna make Okay great Aired on Lifetime and its totality Four people watched it Right

[00:05:34] Nine months later Netflix stamps an original On the title And it becomes their fourth most watched Show in history or whatever Sure Eight trillion people watch it Yeah For the recent data What if they just started doing that With other pre-existing things Yeah Like they took 75s Jaws

[00:05:51] And were like It's a Netflix original Yeah right They could very well do that They could do that We made this Yeah Steven Spielberg He's what Call him Like anything with strange in the title Don't mean Yeah Also directed Colombo episode Did he

[00:06:09] Well that must have been early Right Last year we made Well we made early It was just a fake idea He was like I know it's done But I have an idea for Colombo You guys don't remember Colombo 2017 I would genuinely watch Oh no I wouldn't

[00:06:26] I was gonna say Genuinely watch a new Colombo But I'm like I don't have the time I would love for someone else To make a Colombo And for me to go Damn this sounds pretty nice You know it's the one I saw Floated on Netflix

[00:06:39] That's a really good idea You just described TV development In this decade Netflix please get in contact I have an idea Skip the thing you just heard I'll tell you about it in person The thing I saw Floated on Netflix Sorry Netflix on the brain

[00:06:52] The thing I saw people Float on Twitter That is a genuinely good idea Is Mark Ruffalo doing Colombo Yeah Yeah That's good You need like a squinty guy like that A rumpled man If we can't get Mark Ruffalo And it's gotta be a squinty guy

[00:07:11] I think French Stuart is available Come on French Stuart Colombo One last question Gilbert Gottfried is gonna be the new Colombo I think he did it He is rumpful Has any man looked more like Laundry than Gilbert Gottfried That's what I'm saying

[00:07:29] It looks like you just enrolled him Just a small bag of Laundry Yeah A little pint-sized bag of Laundry Interesting I guess we've got a mystery on our hands What's he doing right now Gilbert Gottfried Yeah, Gilbert Having a nice sandwich in the park

[00:07:44] He's like touring like a fiend Guys, that's cool I realize this today Just shortly before coming here Today, the day we're recording this Is the 35th anniversary of Stop Making Sense This is blood day Gilbert Gottfried stuff Yeah, Gilbert Gottfried Stop Making Sense Yeah

[00:08:01] He's sitting in a park to commemorate You are absolutely right This film came out 35 years ago 1984 This very night On this very October 18th In the United States The release date that matters Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah It got a theatrical release 100% It did?

[00:08:22] They raised the budget for it Which was $1.2 million By themselves and it made 5.1 million dollars Holy shit And also played in West Germany Cool It won a bunch of awards It came in third place In the National Board of Reviews Best film of the year

[00:08:40] Along with winning best documentary I know they say Jonathan Demi Got Best Director for Silence of the Lambs But it's right Who knows for this, right? Yeah, it's a make up for this I mean, we're gonna do it again When Demi was... So Jonathan Demi I'm David Sims

[00:08:57] We should introduce our guests Griffin Demi, our guest today Of course My fan demand Returning Hashtag Demi on Demi I kind of did also demand myself I was just like hey, I'll do this It was a fine demand But look, we were very surprised By Demi winning

[00:09:11] He was in our bracket as you know And he was plowing through big names He was knocking them aside But I think a lot of the reason was A couple friends of the show Such as yourself Vouching for him and saying I would cover this

[00:09:25] We saw a big Adija Webe bump We did Well, it's a famous bump It's a big bump I start talking People are like, I guess we gotta do that Colombo series now But Emily Vanderwerf coming up on this miniseries Bobby Finger, Lindsay Webber Coming up on this miniseries

[00:09:41] People who said like Here's my case for Demi This is the episode I would want to do And people got excited At the prospect of those episodes And this was a big We've had people for the last nine months saying Demi is coming on, right? People, yeah

[00:09:53] People have asked me like Are you still gonna do Stop Making Sense? I'm like, yes You sort of booked a trip around this I did We've been talking for like nine months And we were like Let's just figure out roughly The time that it makes sense

[00:10:04] For you to come to New York I was like, look I like New York I'll probably be Have something to do around there Later And I didn't But then I was like I'd like to take a vacation Around New England You were in upstate New York

[00:10:16] I saw on Instagram Yeah, a very nice time Went to Albany and drove around That's not important here Well, you've been going through You know, it's a problem You've been going through something Of a creative reset That I have very much envied Sure

[00:10:29] It's like at the end of Mad Men Yes When he invents the coke ad I'm hoping I drive around New England Right, come up with the coke ad And then I just get Ding Interior I don't have it yet But it's gonna be Colombo

[00:10:43] It's definitely gonna start indoors though Yeah Shit could be outdoors Fuck, fuck, fuck The only way you could pitch The best way to pitch Colombo To Netflix or whatever Would be to go in Pitch like six just bullshit ideas And they're like What? I thought we were

[00:10:58] You're like, okay I mean, it was nice to meet you And you're like great Nice to meet you too You walk out and then you're like One more thing though Yeah You go right there And you're like Your long coat To reveal A full pitch deck for Colombo

[00:11:11] And it's like Wait, this was the thing the whole time? Correct And they're like Well, universalize the rights to those And you're like Oh, okay, I'll see you later One more thing And then you plug your USB drive Into their projector One second It's one of these folders

[00:11:27] God, windows Oh boy Wait, but you Photoshopped a deck For Perfect or Strangers for nothing Perfect or Strangers They should make Perfect Stranger things Yeah They should Right, that's a thing I don't know, I could probably sell that They're both in the 80s That's all you need

[00:11:42] Sounds good I mean, isn't this now it's just Stranger things? They're like We all love Clueless And I'm like We do And they're like What if? And I'm like I don't know And they're like It's like a drama And it's like There's weird mystery And maybe something supernatural

[00:11:59] And I'm like Oh cool The opposite of what I like about Clueless Literally the upside down to the Clueless I like Now the breakfast club What if Okay We actually have a breakfast Okay Here's the thing Having breakfast Sounds good And then one of them gets murdered What?

[00:12:16] Yeah No, but you love the breakfast club, right? You kids ain't leaving attention until you figure out Who murdered this one Yeah Can Colombo be on the case? Okay Let's just every single pop call All of it It's like that Game Master Anthony Guy of

[00:12:30] Reference for no one in the room That's fine So the thing about Stop making sense Yes I have a confession to make This is the only Jonathan Demi movie I've ever seen Wow You've never seen The Silence of Yon Lams? I have not seen The Silence of Lams

[00:12:45] Or Philadelphia Or even, despite being me, Ricky And The Flash Yes And I'm ashamed It's got balls for the price of life I know, I've seen one Yeah I've not seen The Flash That's crazy You never saw Rachel Geitmeri No I was invited But couldn't make it

[00:13:02] I never saw Did you get a plus one? You never swam to Cambodia No, that's why I didn't go Gotcha You never heard the truth about Charlie I'm running out of it You are still unmarried to the mob, right? Correct I know Melvin Don't know Howard very well

[00:13:16] What else? What else is? Seven seconds Well you watched that obviously I went through his Wikipedia And I was like I've got to have seen some Oh nothing, none of it Well One, I would say Check him out, he's good He's cool dude

[00:13:32] He made a movie you like Well A lot of people made movies I like Right, but I'm going to watch their work Yeah But number two As Demi was sort of You know Gaining steam in the bracket And some people were sort of Like

[00:13:46] Oh Demi like does he have a thing? Like He's kind of a You know every man Or kind of a like Motley sort of You know weird filmography And it's like Yeah, yeah, yeah But one Sounds the lambs obviously Hugely influential One of the most important movies

[00:14:00] Ever made Right and two He basically invented And then perfected the concert movie And has never been beaten With it Well, here's what's interesting So there's on the Blu-ray they have They did like an hour long press Conference At the San Francisco film festival maybe

[00:14:18] It was the 50th anniversary I believe that's where they Debuted It was the 50th anniversary Of where the film had Premiered originally Yeah, no, it was San Francisco Yeah, they had done A remaster of the soundtrack This was the first Digital audio film Yes, that's right

[00:14:34] Yes, yes, yes Yes, so they had remastered The soundtrack and re-released it In 1999 And they did this hour long press Conference that was the first time The band had been reunited In a decade Sure Maybe a little less And was until they did The Hall of Fame induction

[00:14:52] In 2002 Yeah Because they were one of those Bands that like had a somewhat Acrimonious split But also weren't assholes To each other Yeah Like that thing where they all seemed To be fairly civil with each other And when there was a reason to come together

[00:15:07] Didn't let their egos overrun that Yeah But they did this press conference together And they were talking about how Because I think of it as Oh, right, this is the movie That crystallizes the concert film Perfects it, what have you And they were like

[00:15:20] It kind of feels like This was the last concert film Like they go a little out of vogue After this Sure And a reason they said was They financed this film themselves 1.7 million But after this The music video really takes off Right, right

[00:15:36] This is right around the same time That MTV is launching And they would rather spend that money Per music video And make multiple music videos Right Where no one wants to do this And Demi continues to make A lot of concert films Yeah But they become knee-shir things

[00:15:49] His last movie ever Is him doing a Justin Timberlake Concert movie for You guessed it Some say that's what killed him Netflix Yes It's true Can I call a time out real quick Sure This is going to get very confusing We keep going I know

[00:16:04] Can I change my name For the sake of this pod 100% What would you like to be called? I don't know Dave Cool Wait a second That's David Let's do David It's cleaner Okay Cause he's David You're David, right? Yeah What do you want to go by? Maybe Demi

[00:16:21] You're right I'll go by Jonathan Great Right Oh there we go Okay Perfect Oh boy We were talking about Demi Yes Music videos Concert movies I guess that makes sense But also doesn't it feel like You should stop making sense Huh? You should stop making sense

[00:16:38] If it's making sense You should stop that Some say I never started It also feels like the concert film Doesn't have a profitable avenue In theaters anymore Like what's the What hit concert movies Apart from stop making things Well there was You like music

[00:16:53] Beyonce's homecoming is truly like That's what I was going to say Yes Right but that becomes Right like an HBO thing Or like Never Say Never The Bieber one Well that's what I was going to say There was like Katy Perry's part of it

[00:17:03] There was that 3D thing That was the That was the Puerh Put out a bunch Those are great Real crowd pleasers Love Guar There is the period that starts with The Hannah Montana 3D concert Oh yeah Which because that tour was Selling out so crazy

[00:17:18] They were like we should film it So people who can't get into the tour Can see it This was to be like a One week theatrical run And it ended up grossing Like 80 million dollars And then that became like Bieber does it twice Katy Perry does it

[00:17:30] The Jonas Brothers do it One Direction does it Like it becomes like Big pop acts do it Here are the top 10 Music Top 10 highest grossing Music concert films of all time Number one Michael Jackson this is it No That is number two Bieber has him beat

[00:17:45] By about a million dollars For Never Say Never Yes exactly Which is Finally children get their revenge Never say never is a great film Have you folks seen it No I have not I had it I will never say never to see it

[00:17:56] Never say never to see it For a period of time And I don't remember why But I also did not watch it Never say never Never say never But this is the other distinction Never say never is half documentary About the Justin Bieber phenomenon Half concert film

[00:18:11] And the stuff about the phenomenon Is incredible Like it's actually pretty Sort of cutting John Chu Crazy Rich Asians director Is the filmmaker behind Never Say Never So it's about Bieber mania As much as it's a concert film And there was yes There was this is it

[00:18:27] Which a perfect film He came out after he died Is that right Holds up perfectly A thing will definitely be discussing soon Yes it came out after he died It is that was the tour He was supposed to do Right It's the behind the scenes

[00:18:38] Footage of the rehearsals For the concert Right No one ever talked about that dude again Right Everyone was like Michael Jackson Book closed Don put it back up on the shelf Keep it there forever Number This is it is really weird And really morbid And it's also like

[00:18:54] They they right They post converted it to 3D Because some of the concert Was going to be in 3D or whatever But it's so like They hyped up so much It's like this is his final statement And then you watch it And you're like

[00:19:05] This is two hours of a sick man Doing half energy rehearsals Right Right I forgot I had all that Like footage of him getting ready for Right But it is it's just him Like running shit In like a unfinished stage Yeah It's cool Gross Number three

[00:19:23] Really Cyrus Best of both worlds concert tour Uh huh So I guess she like switches wigs right She does She does half Hannah half my way How far down the list is Bohemian Rhapsody No Cause that really feels like I was there Right

[00:19:38] Wait is that not a documentary It is Right That thing was fact for fact Pure realism You know what I love all the real singing In that thing too You're just watching a man open his mouth And that voice coming out The wildest thing

[00:19:50] And I may have brought this up before Is the scene where he is just at the piano And I think just singing happy birthday And even that is like Like they've just taken Freddie Mercury singing And like dubbed it over Yeah

[00:20:02] It's like it sounds like he's in like a recording booth When he's just like at his family home Going like happy birthday That's how good he was That's true It's true he was always professional Yeah Number four One Direction Mm-hmm Number five Katy Perry One Direction directed by

[00:20:15] I don't know Fucking Jonathan Demi John Chute Morgan Spurlock What Of course Oh boy How weird is everything As we go down this list Isn't everything strange? One for him One for the studios So you got Katy Perry You got the Jonas Brothers

[00:20:33] These are all in the same like five years The Katy Perry one's kind of fascinating Because it's half about her divorce to Russell Brown Right And then you have 91's Madonna Truth or Dare Which was more of a classic concert movie Right

[00:20:46] But also a little more of a like On the road with Madonna Yeah Right Like the poster's like her in bed Yeah It's gonna be intimate The fact that this movie has nothing but the concert Well that's why one of the billion reasons it's so perfect

[00:21:01] Is that there's not some fucking Behind-the-scenes like handheld camera And like David Burns like Ooh let's get ready Talking heads Talking heads Yeah There's no pretense of like This is what they really like It's like okay We know this is like fake and constructed This is a performance

[00:21:18] Right They're going to give you the fucking show your life Yeah And it's right Just to finish this up Glee the 3D concert movie Oh right Which I directed actually Of course Yeah for a full Number nine is U2 3D Which I think was pretty recent Yeah

[00:21:35] And then number ten is Rattlin' Hum The old YouTube movie That kind of tanked their careers for a second Where like Yeah Uh, Bono is like The devil Uh, yeah Yes, no no that's later No, where Bono is like Charles Manson took Hilda Skeltra from the Beals

[00:21:51] And we're taking it back You know he's like Just full like ego mode What a guy Where he's like play the blues Edge Play the blues Yeah No? No one around? No, yeah I'm not saying it I said yeah So yeah that's the

[00:22:05] The concert movie Boom really was just For a few years there That 3D run for like 2008 to 2011 Yeah Apart from that I mean there's the cloud Yeah there was a prince On this side of the times Right Last Waltz I mean Woodstock You have a lot of festival

[00:22:22] Monterey Pop Right Yeah sure One that stuck out to me I remember the Carter It was about little Wayne He tried fighting it Because The filmmakers left in scenes Of when he's all messed up On liquid Cody In front of his daughter Right

[00:22:38] It's really not a good look Yeah It's super dark But it's also that thing Of Riga Contract Wasn't there a Ron Howard Jay-Z movie? What? I swear to God there was a movie Called Fade to Black That was When Jay-Z said he was retired Directed by Ron Howard

[00:22:55] It's called Made in America Oh my god Actually but yes Is there not a movie Called Fade to Black? I don't fucking know I'm gonna look this up I think Ron Howard directed The one that Ron Howard directed is called Made in America Okay You definitely just like

[00:23:09] Made some like execs Go like Wait a minute And like they're calling Both Jay-Z and Ron Howard tonight The one you're talking about Is a different director Okay Not Ron Howard Yes Okay so there are two different Jay-Z movies This fucking movie Well here's the thing

[00:23:25] Okay so you're saying like It's weird that this is The only demi I've seen And in many directors' careers That would be like Well then you haven't really Seen their movies I mean the Concert or Documentary they're directed That's not like Really one of their films

[00:23:39] Whereas this is one of his Major films 100% It's also like one of The performance thing Directed in a way where I can Tell like the director's influence Right they didn't just Like turn the cameras on And point it at the stage Or just go like

[00:23:51] Okay well we'll edit this Like it feels like There are times where he's like Well this one's going to be Present entirely in close-ups We're going to like Shoot just on David Byrne For this like dancing Sequence and things And I'm like how much

[00:24:02] I wonder how much input He had just even into like Choreography or in the movie Like we want to follow Like the crew coming On to stage with them Yes of course Right I mean this is This is one of the few Documentaries by a largely Fiction filmmaker

[00:24:17] Where you can observe Everything that makes them Important as a filmmaker Within this film You know this can be The only John the Demi film You've seen and you have a sense Of who he was as a person And as a filmmaker Everyone is screaming No Watch others

[00:24:31] I mean you should watch others You should Good movies Can't believe me ever saw Some songs on the lambs I just feel like that's a movie People are forced to see At some point Yeah that's so crazy David I'm not going to go to school I really should

[00:24:42] I'm sure But I don't know It's one of those things that Like I don't know There are so many big movies Where it's like I can't believe I haven't seen That yet Yes I want to be near Top that list Although that's because We just recently rewatched

[00:24:54] And are jamming on it So fucking hard We are jamming on it hard That episode is coming up soon But it is great It is one of those movies I worry that like If you see it for the first Time now you're like Because it's so invented

[00:25:06] That's sort of like You know crimes Sort of the master psychopath type Right like that Like it'll feel like Oh well I've seen this Right because it's I think it is so absorbed That you're Yeah you're like Oh this is why everyone else Does this

[00:25:20] Because this is the time It was done perfectly Right The Talking Heads Wanted to do A concert film Sure By all accounts They thought it was like The next step They were obviously A very conceptual band I mean if we want To go back further Talking heads are

[00:25:36] That fascinating Subgenre of like Art projects that Become legitimate bands You know groups that start Like Divo and Guar As sort of more like Conceptual like performance pieces Or projects And then end up becoming Like actual hit bands They were a RISD Yes Really

[00:25:58] Right they came out of Rhode Island School of Design I did not know that Butchabuds Well except for Except for Jerry Harrison Right he comes in a little Later right Was in the modern lover Harbour band with Jonathan Richmond Which is a great great band But they're like

[00:26:11] Is a band that like Everyone in it Went on to do something else Amazing but they broke up Before they even released Their first album And their first album is perfect Yeah They're on the album But they go from being A RISD band to then

[00:26:23] Being one of the bands In like the first major CBGBs wave Right Right And where everyone else In CBGBs is like Their first gig was Opening for the Ramones Yeah Like the crazy The juxtaposition of Their first performance And the fact that they held Their own

[00:26:39] When their reputation At the time was They are the only band That is not very Performancey Like everyone else Is making such a theatrical Experience in terms of energy Or dancing Or aggression Or whatever it is Transgression Or a look or a sound Totally and the talking heads

[00:26:54] Their reputation In the CBGBs days Was they just get up on stage And they do really good music Like they captivate people Because the music is so good They let speak for themselves But they kind of had Like a clean cut Sort of look right

[00:27:05] Kind of like dorks Punky Right But they're also not making it Sort of like This is our brand We're dorks They look like Art school kids And they would just get up And perform Like pretty perfectly crafted Songs Immaculately Well the songwriting was dark Yes

[00:27:21] You know and like Of the time Yeah That first album I mean as a debut Is so fucking good I thought Tell me what do you think Of the talking heads I love them I am like So unfamiliar with like Earlier aspects Of the work But I

[00:27:36] I distinctly remember Getting to talking heads Because I was friends With someone in college And they had There's this song by this band Friendly Fires Called In The Hospital And I played it for a friend One She was like Seems like a rip off of that song

[00:27:48] Cross-eyed and painless But I never heard But I listened to it And I was like Oh I guess it is a rip off And then like She introduced me to Radiohead And then told me that Radiohead got their name From the talking head Song Radiohead

[00:27:59] And I was just kind of Like oh weird This band's coming up a lot And then we watched And I think that's one of My favorite albums ever And I just Like I love them so much And they have this like I don't know

[00:28:10] It's very weird that they Like started as not a very Performance The band Because to me like They're so intrinsically linked With like this sort of Like visual weirdness Of course Yeah like true stories And the fucking like Music video for once In a lifetime That's just

[00:28:26] David Byrne being I'm just like True stories Which is basically like The blank check he gets To cash off of this I mean that thing is so special In its own way Yeah we should do true stories I mean She would kill us

[00:28:38] If we did it without her But we're getting increasingly Into this idea of One movie blank check directors Oh yeah Just like weird little projects That happened Yeah Robert De Niro's He did too Oh he's got two Bronx Tale Good Shepherd I'd do it

[00:28:53] I like both those movies I know you do Who else has directed one movie Tom Green We recently We're on a real Like run about this Yeah There's a lot of weird ones Is that Night of the Hunter Yeah Night of the Hunter Which is the best

[00:29:05] We did text her with her Friend Alex Ross Perry A lot of actors Who only did one Right Like Lea Shriver Doing everything is illuminated Still so weird Remember everything is Illuminated that book Didn't know he directed That Sure Okay Didn't know But Mr. Vindy's only directed

[00:29:24] One feature film He did the feature Multifacial Trace Yeah right Multifacial was the short It's so like I remember watching Multifacial in college I mean like The Fast and Furious guy did this Yeah So weird And played a con And Steven Spielberg discovered him Yeah

[00:29:40] And he's a crazy movie star And the story So going back to Your point about Radiohead I thought watching this again I've seen Radiohead a bunch of times I mean this feels like Such an influence on their live act With the video screens And just sort of like

[00:29:58] Really showing Just like Even like Thinking about John and Greenwood plugging in All these like analog plugs Into a big synth Like I love how this movie Really shows you How these musicians contribute To the sound Like with having them come in And different layers It's so effective

[00:30:16] And it makes you really concentrate Every, you know With the introduction of every person Unlike what they're bringing musically To the song It's beautiful It's fucking beautiful The rules And this is a band with An extremely dynamic showman Who is putting on this Incredibly athletic

[00:30:33] Sort of like involving performance God, I was worried for him When you're like Jesus He's shaking He's just starts doing laps around But you're doing this now Just to show He's in a suit Like he's not like an athletic wear And at the same time

[00:30:47] He's like just like I feel like there's so much care In highlighting everyone else who's performing Totally Yeah Totally I mean and that is the beauty of the way To film these blanks a little here I read this I went on a rabbit hole Last night this morning

[00:31:01] I was reading things about the talking heads And there was a New Yorker piece About fear of music That has this This little graph That I found really Really spot on In the late 1970s In primordial downtown Manhattan The band sonified not just Lunging and regret

[00:31:21] Most great musicians do that But also dread Some do that And then This is what made them really special Mingled the feelings into single songs Sounds and even couplets While never letting listeners forget They knew what they were doing That is like the weird magic trick of them

[00:31:37] Of like something about them feels very light But also very haunted They're very earnest But there's also something very sarcastic About them And the actual craftsmanship Is pretty perfect While feeling mostly emotional I mean the thing about their songs Is unlike a lot of conceptual bands

[00:31:54] Almost all their songs work On some pure emotional level It's just a pop song Of the music and of the lyrics And like heaven Which is one of my 10 favorite songs of all time If not one of my 5 favorite songs of all time People have endlessly debated

[00:32:09] What that song is about He sometimes offers explanations But that's sometimes There are legends that's like Oh it's about a gay bar He went to one time That he felt was this safe haven That he called heaven And sometimes it's not about a specific place

[00:32:23] It's about a feeling And sometimes it's about You know a specific time in his life That then he relates to heaven And sometimes it's people saying That that's what they heard And sometimes it's him saying a thing Then denying another thing But it is just like

[00:32:35] The song is so simple Yeah But feels so honest And deeply felt that it can mean Any of those things I feel like Like I have a weird Usually when I listen to music It feels like it's been weird for me To focus so much on the lyrics

[00:32:51] That I sort of let the meaning Ruin like the music for me Sure But talking heads I've always just kind of been like I don't know what so many of these songs mean And I'm just kind of Whatever This music rules Yeah Interesting thing is

[00:33:04] David Byrne a lot of times improvised lyrics Like he didn't write songs sometimes They would just go in the studio Kind of have like a sense of like Kind of the structure of a song And he would just make up lyrics

[00:33:16] It feels like a lot of the time Yeah But I don't know There are certain songs where it's like This must be the place And I'm like well I can tell This is clearly like a love song But I couldn't tell you like distinct

[00:33:27] Things about the words he's saying Or anything But like It's also impressive I feel like their music also just If things had gone differently I could see them being like A very good like children's band Totally Just like the instrumentation is so Like specific and strange

[00:33:41] And like he's got this He's this weird front man Where I'm just like If they were just like If they really want money They could very well be like On a show with puppets or some shit And just I don't know You were saying

[00:33:52] Your introduction was watching this film After people bringing Talking heads up to you You watched this movie before You were really listening to the album Yes but I had also I think in the same like span of time I had also heard burning down the house

[00:34:03] And this must be the place A lot around But I wasn't like Super into talking heads I pretty much had the same thing I mean I saw this young Because my dad was obsessed with this movie I also saw it fairly young the first time

[00:34:13] I was about to say This is a movie that's relatively appealing To a kid Yeah The part at the end Where you see like the kid On his dad's shoulder Like the unicorn Of course it's yeah My dad had the albums

[00:34:25] And the covers and the titles of the albums Were so striking And so different That I would ask him about them a lot And then he finally like I think they When they re-released it With that remaster in 99 He took me to see it at the film forum

[00:34:40] And it is one of those things where like I was sort of Anytime my parents tried to take me to a documentary It felt like vegetables Sure And there were like Once every couple of years in New York State There'd be one where it's like

[00:34:52] This is a documentary that's good for kids Right My parents would try to sell me on a being excited And I'd be like Where's the narrative baby You know I like Act three of them Right And so I was like Such a story kid That I was like

[00:35:04] I don't know about a concert documentary But there are these things I mean there is Without it being a Broadway musical Which I feel like A lot of concerts turn into these days Yeah There is this sort of narrative Build to it Not just with the introduction

[00:35:18] Of each band member one at a time Which I could really latch on to And go like Okay there's a progression here There's something happening It's not just a series of songs But that each song has its own Little kind of universe to it Demi said that that's

[00:35:31] What he responded to I mean they, right So they do this weird Like reverse arc of like Conceptual project, RISD band People actually like the music They come to New York They are in the sort of Punk scene New wave though Like they're in their own lane

[00:35:46] But you know I feel like initially Right that they're more playing with Like they're doing Their new wave in punk clubs And they're sort of bridging the two But then as they become bigger And they start producing albums Then the sort of Conceptual art brains

[00:36:00] Of four RISD students Or three RISD students And a member of the modern romance Flowers Flowers Sorry Okay Karen and Karen I apologize Jonathan That starts coming back in And then it starts to be that Intentionality of what are we wearing What are we projecting behind us

[00:36:17] And how do we sort of Make an arc to a show Similarly though also to the clash If you think about later clash stuff When they started to incorporate World music sounds Electronic sounds I see a similar trajectory With the talking heads Of really expanding their sound

[00:36:32] Bringing in more elements I feel like that was so hot in the 80s Like Alzheimer's All of that But like of those three examples World music They're not the only ones Well I remember David Byrne wrote a piece That was like the front page of the arts

[00:36:46] And leisure section In The New York Times like 20 years ago That was Why I Hate World Music Sure And it was the purposefully Insidiary headline But he meant like the genre It is gross that we consider Everything that is not American Record rack To be world

[00:37:02] And was just sort of breaking down How distinct in different You know these different regions And the genres within each region All of that And as opposed to the other examples You're throwing out The way the talking heads Use the music of other cultures

[00:37:15] Feels the least like appropriation To me Because whereas something like Graceland is like a great album In which Paul Simon was just like Oh ladies make that black man bazo Rule If I just put him on an album That will sound great Which is correct

[00:37:29] He was proven correct But this feels more like Them actually digging into the elements Of what makes different cultural Music's resonate And reusing those pieces in their own way That doesn't sound like anything else Yeah It doesn't sound like they're just going

[00:37:44] Like oh we should use this instrument From a different culture Totally Yeah It really feels like You know or the way that The Clash used Breguet or anything It really feels like They're making something entirely new Just with a broader reference You've been looking Tom Tom Club Right

[00:38:00] Out of Tina and Chris's side project That's all dance hall music Yeah But it's named after a dance hall In the Bahamas Where they were practicing once Before a concert I think that's what the Tom Tom Club And they would record in the Bahamas A lot

[00:38:14] But there's something playful about it It's not I feel like it also Is just the success of that song I think it's been one of the most Sampled songs of all time Yeah Which is so weird that That's like the spin-off concept Within a concept Yeah Band

[00:38:30] You know But it gets that thing of like Right Why it appeals to people as a child While this Why this movie works for people Who wouldn't necessarily even enter As Talking Heads fans Is that Aside from them being like You know Consummit performers With great music

[00:38:46] Directed perfectly You know by a really smart filmmaker There is something so playful about them And they have this weird balance Of being incredibly conceptual And unpretentious There is something very unpretentious about them Despite them On their face Doing the most pretentious shit in the world

[00:39:02] Which is a wild thing to say Because they do seem so pretentious They seem so pretentious And like that interlude in the middle Where it's like you know like Salad Pig I don't, I forget what the word is But you know like You know what I mean Right

[00:39:14] And you're like you know Facts machine That should be so easy to satirize And of course the bikini That's like a purity of an installation piece But like I don't know For this You're right It does feel like this incredibly sincere And lovely Like performance And goofy

[00:39:27] There's something about them Owning their goofiness I mean I was thinking a lot about Because I knew you were coming in here But you and your work And how much you've talked about like That you have all these sort of very Sincere ambitions

[00:39:41] And what you want to do In different mediums Right And you've become this kind of comedy person And you're always trying to figure out How to also be able to make Your non-comedic works Right And not have the two contrasts And like talking heads

[00:39:54] Or an example of a band With a really good sense of humor That never feel like a joke band Yeah, totally I think they I think one of the things that Really makes that come across In the performance one-on Is how so much of it is clearly

[00:40:07] Like choreographed But the moments that you feel like Oh holy shit this band Like loves each other And is like great collaborators Or the parts where it's like They're dancing on stage In a way that seems like It's clearly just of the moment Or like

[00:40:18] That's the demi-shit too That he caught all of that stuff He's a very empathetic filmmaker He's very good at Like making a person feel like A human on screen in like five seconds So they wanted to do a concert film Because they felt like In their constant expansion

[00:40:31] Of let's find new ways to express ourselves It seemed like the move This is the one that comes out Right before speaking in tongues Right after speaking in tongues Right after, okay Yeah, this is them on that tour Right But they David Byrne just liked

[00:40:47] Demi's movies a lot Which at this point is the demi-comedies But it makes sense I mean you have not seen them yet But like something wild feels Like a talking head song Right, which is Visually Something wild comes right after this Right This comes in between

[00:41:01] Mob and something wild No, no, no, no It's been between Melvin and Howard And something wild Rear Mob is post something wild That's late 80s So those are the two That feel very talking headsies So there's some act maybe There's a little bit of a handoff

[00:41:14] Between the two groups Between Demi and the talking head Taking his hands And sort of having them It's kind of a handoff It's the opposite of a handoff actually It's hands passing each other I also feel like in terms of concerts Right, we're still at this stage

[00:41:27] Where like the sort of expensive arena Show is not Is like Nasin That hasn't happened yet Right, like I love you too Look Even though Bono sang the blues And Like this is pre-YouTube Evolving into the like Right, our shows are like these 360 degree still Incredibly expensive Loud

[00:41:47] With like lots of video screens And you can like show it to like 60,000 people It's not their fault But they kind of break something They do Once they do that That becomes a thing that other people go like Well if we're not doing that

[00:41:58] We look like pieces of shit It's also just like the money You can make doing something like that If you're big enough Is just sort of Comparable What was that tour called? Something TV Well there's zoo TV That's that Come on He calls the president Orders a pizza

[00:42:12] It's bad He has like six bits that he does He has all these characters Is that a character reel? Yeah Great I mean Come over to my house We'll watch the zoo TV tour It's fun It's great You'll love it Ben is shaking his head, no

[00:42:25] You like it Bono he has all these characters He's got like an American preacher character You don't want to see that I do want to see Bono do an American accent It is Bono's mad TV audition To use my oft used phrase

[00:42:36] For a certain type of character performance Him going like If this YouTube thing doesn't work out I could do something with Miss Swan Yeah It feels like it's very Miss Swan adjacent In terms of energy He's tiptoeing around Stewart That whole concert Zoo TV was the first one

[00:42:53] And then there's I believe I want to It's the Pop-Mark tour Is the one where you two Descended on stage in a giant lemon Yeah You know about that And sometimes it would break And it would sort of like stall And they'd have to be like

[00:43:06] You know just sort of standing there In the lemon and then the lemon Would keep me I mean these things that cost Anyway this is not that This is so stripped down It's so simple And it's like You know we're not yet at that thing

[00:43:16] Where they're just trying to overwhelm you With production value But at the time this must have seemed Like oh wow they're doing more Than most people do in concerts Yeah yeah Right But it's mostly just the intentionality of it There's nothing crazy happening There's no crazy pyrotechnics

[00:43:31] That's what I mean They're not wasting teams In a sort of like Although I do wonder Because I'm like In like 1983 is it crazy To go to a concert where they're like Projecting stuff on the walls I think it's probably pretty nice Maybe a little bit right

[00:43:45] Yeah maybe that's still like The most It feels modest They went through some lamps Yeah The lamp budget on this thing Is in the hundreds I feel like there was like That tradition of like The guys who would put like Colored oil You know what I mean

[00:43:58] And project like Oh yes The kaleidoscope I love a kaleidoscope guy Operator Who's that guy But that was like A separate member of the band Yeah This is our like spin art guy I do miss that era Like I wish we'd grown up Where we're like

[00:44:12] See these colors There's like five of them You know what I mean When people are like That's pretty cool I could live in that for an hour Right I was watching this being like Fuck this looks like it Like this is the thing that makes it so

[00:44:23] Seems so fun to like Be in a band before on stage one Like they're chemistry with each other And I was like What would I be in the band I'm like I'm gonna be the art guy Yeah Like wait you want to see some blue For this one

[00:44:34] Bam Everyone in the back You're the gels guy Yeah We're taking requests Orange Well by all accounts Demi went to see this show Okay And said This makes sense to me There's like an arc built into this I see the way it kind of plays Like a story

[00:44:52] Right And started playing out with them He shot four or five different concerts I think five, yeah Because he didn't want the cameras To be obtrusive Right So he would shoot one night And it would just be Back of the venue Wide shots only Yeah

[00:45:08] And then the next night He would only shoot one side of the stage And the next night He would only shoot the other side of the stage And the following night He would get like close ups or whatever Which is crazy Because it does not feel stitched together

[00:45:19] No, it really doesn't Which I think is just a note On how good the choreography is For a lot of this Yes Considering how even in the moments Where it's clearly not choreographed It goes from like wide to Not wider Like it just cuts between

[00:45:31] Different angles and what not And you're like Well they're still doing these things Like it's so A lot of this film does feel Like it's made in the editing In a very strange way Where it's like Oh, he wants you to see this thing

[00:45:42] But he knows that if you cut to this Different angle at this right time You won't see that thing That just happened naturally On night number one So he's going to show you This other fun thing That's also happening on this side Of the stage

[00:45:51] And it's like so many of like The other like Bernie Worrell And Alex Weir and Steve Ske Like all of the members That sort of joined the band For this performance Are clearly having the fucking Time of their life There's two backup singers There are so many moments

[00:46:05] The neighbor and the neighbor and the holes Yeah And it touches them It's a shot that is like You know burn in the foreground Sweating his eyes out and whatever And then you see Still in focus over his shoulder The two of them

[00:46:16] And in the middle of singing backup They'll like look at each other And giggle Yeah And it's like one of the only Performance films I've ever seen That does capture that Exuberance Right So many performance films It's more like It's trying to communicate Like this is fucking hard

[00:46:32] They're sweating this out This is like they are Like sort of men at work Right And this is like Bernie Warrell especially Like he's just so happy Yeah And it's a difference between Like oh this makes me wish I could be a rock star

[00:46:46] Versus this makes me wish I was in a band Yeah Because this movie makes Being in a band look So satisfying Like the chemistry And the energy being exchanged Between everyone on that stage Yeah It makes the collaboration aspect Of performance seem like

[00:47:00] Just the best thing in the world Where it's like yeah You can perform That's fun and whatnot But like there's one moment During burning down the house When he and out like David Byrne and Alex We were start doing this Sort of just like weird

[00:47:11] Like running in place thing And it feels so like both I'm like I can't tell if it's Natural or choreographed But they're like both doing it And beaming and it feels like David Byrne's not supposed To be smiling but he's like I can't not and they're just

[00:47:23] Like strumming and like Running in place and it's Clearly just It's one of those things That felt iconic to me Like the first time I watched Even where I'm just kind of Like this is an incredible Thing to see at a concert Like it feels like

[00:47:33] They're having fun And just it's so electric Like you feel that sort of like Feeling of like doing something I think it's also the same way I felt when like I started Hearing this must be the place A lot where you're just like

[00:47:46] In a room where it comes on Everyone's just like it's fucking It's time you're just hanging Out with friends and it's like This is the most fun thing In the world and but it's that On a stage I don't know Yeah I mean Byrne talks a

[00:47:55] Lot about how like you know I think when they started Performing they were sort of In more eggheading In more egghead mode I mean when they were in like The New York scene and they felt Like they couldn't compete With these other bands that had

[00:48:11] Obvious rock star energy or some Sense of like aggression Like badass edginess A routine, a routine You're talking about a routine A routine, a sour lemon face But then what he ended up Embracing was sort of just His genuine feeling you know Because the thing that watching

[00:48:32] This kept reminding me of And it's like the only other thing That seems to kind of capture this energy The best song of the 2010s Which is Future Islands on David Letterman Oh yeah Sure This like perfect object that is just What's going on here

[00:48:46] These people are jamming on something And feeling it so deeply With so little self awareness The best performance on Letterman In the 2010s is when the Green Goblin guy Sing his song A freak like me A freak like me A freak like me Getting Joaquin going on

[00:49:02] Okay these are the three best performances Those are the top three Take your pick Letterman kind of killed the 2010s Well especially because Letterman in all those Is like what's going on Like he's just kind of like Leading on his chance But that's one of the things about

[00:49:13] The Future Island performance Is he comes out at the end and goes like Whoa nearly Like whatever weird expression he uses I'll never forget him asking Are those your drums Yes His two best songs Post music performance are Are those your drums

[00:49:28] You know picking any piece of equipment Is that your xylophone And also the I'll take as much of that as you got When he goes Paul I'll take as much of that as they got It's wild that Letterman is now Basically on a constant press tour

[00:49:40] Where he's like I literally did that show Ten years too long I know Because like that's kind of true And at the same time it's like I don't know It's kind of weird having you It was nice like a grand old dad Yeah right It was so consistent

[00:49:53] But it also felt like there was a time At which he stopped caring And because of that the show changed But still was good in a way It became this sort of very cynical show In a funny way Yeah what's your fucking thing And you're like

[00:50:05] I like this guy Paul Rudd on Hot Ones I just watched it I have not seen it Just watched it But he talks about Letterman Even big cauliflower I didn't realize Paul Rudd was a vegetarian Yeah yeah he was eating Big colleagues Hot sauce cauliflower Yeah

[00:50:19] But he said like it is the weird thing Where there's the point you can tell That David Letterman's over it And the show weirdly becomes better And he becomes funny Occasionally like Regis would show up Or whatever and Letterman would be like Here a piece of shit

[00:50:31] And Regis would be like I know haha And you'd be like This is kind of edgy Like they're kind of night for each other They would do the bit where Regis would come dressed up as a character From a currently running Broadway musical And Regis was like

[00:50:44] I'm working with the show I'm doing the bit And Letterman would just be like This is so fucking embarrassing This is terrible Take that off me What are we doing And there's the one night He came on dressed as Shrek From the musical

[00:50:54] So he's in like two hours Of makeup in the suit And Letterman just dunks on For 30 seconds And Regis is like I don't need this And he walked off It's one of the best things It's just a genuinely pissed Regis Philbin in Shrek makeup Going like

[00:51:09] I don't need to be here I'm doing you a favor I have to wake up at 5am Do you know I host a morning show Okay since we're talking about Regis One of my favorite Ramones appearances Is they go on Regis and Kathy And Regis loves

[00:51:23] Dee Dee Ramone Just look this up He loves Dee Dee He thinks he's so funny and cool Like they just connect In such a great way It's amazing That's so great I gotta watch that I will queue up that That video is available

[00:51:37] If you Google Regis Dee Dee Ramone I just think that was a Like Because that era Where it's like Letterman And then you cut to Craig Ferguson Who is basically playing Who I loved so much And I used to like Watch every night Playing to like

[00:51:51] A tiny audience Doing weird bits And like No one gave a shit about that show So he was kind of Just doing whatever he wanted Like it's a underrated era Well it feels like Letterman grandfathered himself In as like this guy That everyone loved and Depended on

[00:52:04] So when he started doing Whatever he wanted It was just kind of like The audience going Well I love this man So I'll change He basically like Trojan Horst himself Is being like I'm the late night guy That you love And then he's just I'm fucking hate this

[00:52:17] And he's like Well you gotta love me But I'm still fucking over This right And he created so much Of the comedy vernacular The modern comedy vernacular To begin with That everyone's contract With Letterman was like I'll go where you're going Like if you're a Letterman fan

[00:52:31] He was always kind of Uncharted territory In some way or another Anyway that future Eyelid thing There is that feeling That thing that was like Hard to bottle of like Every movement this guy Is making is so specific Yet it doesn't feel like Anything someone would Consciously choreograph

[00:52:49] And it is clearly Like there's intentionality behind it But it also just feels like He is somehow finding some physical expression Of how this song makes him feel And David Byrne talks about that Where he's like People ask me if it's hard

[00:53:02] To get into the emotion of each song And it's the opposite for me Like if I'm singing a song Then I feel the emotions of it It like very quickly unlocks for me And my breakthrough In performing on stage Was just not holding back

[00:53:14] Was just letting my body Do what the music made me feel And you know I think with larger concepts Like what if I made a big suit What if I danced with a light Like obviously this stuff isn't improvised But I think it's honed out of

[00:53:28] Him sort of organically Finding the movement that matches each thing And then he would sort of perfect it But it doesn't feel like Like you're saying It's all very controlled But it also doesn't feel like Oh this is a routine Right Yeah It's playful It's so playful Yeah

[00:53:47] It's such a hard balance to strike Because it would be easy to be like You know like I guess right Like that's what he's fighting against But like look at like Jokes' position between this and zooTV He ostensibly does do I'll stick up for zooTV goddammit

[00:54:00] They called someone rusty It was hot shit You know come on guys He ostensibly does ten different characters in this Yes Except they're very subtle shifts Yeah You know when he goes into once in a lifetime And he puts on the glasses He's kind of doing some like

[00:54:16] Like preacher characters Right I mean he's sort of Sermonizing the Clark Kent thing And then you told me You watched this movie twice yesterday Yeah I did I watched it in the morning Had a great time And then Joanna came home And I was like

[00:54:30] I'm putting this on You haven't seen it I'm just gonna put it on And she's like tired You know she's like I'm okay whatever And I'm like Dude it's just a concert movie Like you don't have to think about the plot

[00:54:40] Or you know just when putting it on And like three songs in She's like this is kind of This is kind of great Yeah And I was just like One very happy Two very moved I was just like Yeah this is like so universally appealing

[00:54:52] And I could watch that movie every day I'm trying to find where How you phrased it last night You said Uh I literally Griffin I genuinely watched it twice today Literally just because I enjoy Being happy and watching good things Like why not Yeah So I after

[00:55:12] I watched it last night I woke up I wanted to watch some of the special features And then I was like Let me watch a little more of the movie again So I restarted the movie again And having recently watched it And then going back to the beginning

[00:55:26] He is so sweaty Right And he is so like It does feel like He's been sermonizing for two hours Like the shifts he's gone through By the end of the concert That then resetting back to the beginning When he comes out and is like

[00:55:38] His hair is parted in the middle Looks like Buddy Holly He's doing this like Weird like neck jutting thing You know it feels so much more Like consciously goofy But Ernest It's like he goes through this whole character arc Over the course of the movie

[00:55:55] It's just funny to think of what I think of talking had to a fairly cerebral Cerebral band That was weirdly hard to say And yet he is like Basically like doing like Jim Carrey shit Like he's like using the human body In a thousand funny ways Right

[00:56:12] And like I don't know I love that I think I also The very first song where he does Psycho Killer alone And has like the recording of the 808 Right the drum machine Like almost every concert movie ever Starts with the person backstage Getting ready to go on stage

[00:56:28] Or the audience lining up Or people getting their seats Or some sort of preamble like that And this is like Okay you start on a white background But with some weird details Some weird texture And the titles are happening over that Cool font Right Man in black font

[00:56:43] Really good Titles is not Love it And then you realize that the white you've been looking at Is actually the beam of light On the black stage His shoes walking out The crowd It's already this weird disorienting thing of Like you're watching a very intimate thing

[00:57:00] Of just like a man's clean white sneakers On a completely empty black stage With the audience applauding Feels odd because he is Bringing you into such an intimate point Right Not showing you the audience So rarely shows you the audience He doesn't really show you the audience

[00:57:13] So right at the end And then it's like this joyous explosion Of he keeps cutting to the audience Yeah I love that so much Just feeling like The audience is sort of invisible And all this Except for certain moments Where you can kind of see them

[00:57:24] Like the back of their heads Through like burn dancing But he doesn't do that thing Where you're cutting to like Someone just going like No I love that Because at the end It feels like there's this sort of Like a mix of These people are exhausted

[00:57:35] But still like having the time of their lives And you can see like the different Like walks of life That everyone in the audience from Mostly dorky white guys But yes Yes I was like oh yep No this is what I thought The audience was looking for

[00:57:46] But it's also like black women Who are having the time of their life Totally There's this one shot of like A woman just like doing some weird moves And I was just kind of like This feels like I didn't expect to see that And then like

[00:57:56] The shot of the kid And then even like Of the like sound guy Sort of like hugging it out At like we did a good job But still kind of feel on the music And I'm like yeah This is a exuberant expression Of joy

[00:58:06] It feels like people were just at Like a three hour like river tent revival You know Like that's what's crazy about it The sound guys killed this Like this sounds so good for life It sounds incredible It's crazy It sounds so good I have the live

[00:58:20] Like this live album Of Stopping Scents downloaded And I listen to it more often Like any other album Especially because their version of What a day that was Is one of my favorite talking head songs And I didn't know that it was like

[00:58:30] Oh just the thing he wrote for a movie Or like a Like some art project or something Cause I'm just like It's an incredible song And it feels like a talking heads thing But now they just turn it into Greatness But that like That opening which

[00:58:44] Feels like a joke of him Like placing the Boombox down And saying like I want to play a tape for you The only thing they faked What do you mean? That shot Oh that shot was shot later Okay That was everything Demi said he wanted to do

[00:58:58] Some sound stage recreation stuff So he could get specific shots They just literally Couldn't figure out a way to shoot That opening shot a lot Like they did so Like that's the only thing that's like Done later But they shot down the rest of it

[00:59:09] Cause they were like We're so much running off the energy Of the audience We're not going to be able to do it Without a crowd there Right Like we're not like Sort of that type of performer Whereas like the last waltz Has like half sound stage stuff

[00:59:21] Because Squire says he wanted to do Like crazy camera movements Even like Harry Nielsen Or Nelson whatever He did a really famous BBC Live concert But had no audience Well I think for him He just doesn't like performing live Right He's the opposite He's like incredibly

[00:59:37] He was self conscious Guys what do you do Like say you're David Burr Yeah It's like 3pm Right you're going to go on stage at 8 What do you do Like eat bananas Like what The whole time I just sort of get where I'm like

[00:59:49] Does he need to go to the bathroom Like is he sleepy I'm backstage yelling The suit must be bigger Like what's your routine Before you do Cause I assume then you're done at 12 You're the most empty you've ever been But it's in a white room Eating cottage cheese

[01:00:02] That's what I envision Right like is that the vibe I imagine he's got some sort of like Energy drip And he's like if I don't move Like you are literally like recharging your batteries And then like As soon as 8 o'clock strikes He gets up and walks out

[01:00:14] And he's like in full power There's that weird robot quality To David Burr Yeah Like something about him feels Like very very advanced AI And part of it is the weird calm He has always But even his way of speaking Sounds like Siri or something You know

[01:00:30] It's hard to imagine being like I'm gonna go get some bagels Like David what do you want And he'd be like Can I get like a bacon egg and cheese Like you know it just doesn't Like a bacon egg and cheese Yeah right exactly And I'd be like

[01:00:39] Okay sure I don't taste sesame with butter You're like you sort of stop me in my tracks Right I'd like a coffee with two sugars Do they still do the shamrock shake I love those rainbow bagels Right like there's that weird thing To where it's like

[01:00:54] You don't feel like I don't know it's odd You feel like this guy needs to perform Sure Because this is all the stuff inside of him That he can't really express Otherwise Otherwise it's this very sort of still water When I was 11 for some reason

[01:01:14] I owned the solo album Feelings By David Byrne And I don't know if you guys know The cover is him It's an action figure I know this cover very well For that reason And my brain thus From young age I always sort of thought of him

[01:01:26] As like a weird sort of plastic man That was his kind of I often can Not anymore But for the longest time I confused David Byrne and David Lynch And I feel like they Same era Same Crowd in a weird sort of way

[01:01:41] And not in the same control soup Yeah And then David Lynch doing music Really fucked up the whole thing for me But like they both have this sort of Weird sense about them Where I'm like you are a very serious man And your work is like

[01:01:52] And enjoyed by all these people Who think of you as a very specific type Of person But then it's like they're weirdly goofy sometimes In a way that sometimes feels like disarming But also just feels like No, that's because they're geniuses In this specific craft

[01:02:05] And you like it's no fun to be a genius If you're just like I'm very serious about what I do Leave me alone, don't look at me And there's nothing like metropolitan Or urban about either one of them Which is rare with artists like that

[01:02:17] You know, especially very like Heady, like fringy artist But think about the medium that they're Working in Whereas if visual art It's you have to be so self serious I think there's something about the fact That they came up as RISD students

[01:02:32] But then put all that energy into music But like pop music, right? But it's also it's one of those things where you're like Well of course their music was successful You listen to it Like anyone could jam on this But also it feels like

[01:02:47] Music that they never expected would cross over You know there is nothing strategic About these songs in terms of like You know it's weird that they were a huge deal Yeah If you just sort of Like they're played on classic rock radio Yeah Like right now Sure

[01:03:03] That's a weird band They're weird They're very weird Something about the tape thing at the beginning Also makes it feel so intimate Like this guy is sharing something private with you You know Which plays into his weird character of like The blinkness of David Byrne

[01:03:24] It feels like he's showing you something That's a little too personal And potentially a little bit embarrassing Well and I mean The vulnerability of walking out on this gigantic stage Empties alone Right Acoustically And then playing your first hit by yourself By yourself Right just tapping your foot

[01:03:42] Just that idea of And he's so compelling But like it's right Like people literally have nothing else to concentrate on Right now Literally everyone is looking right at you But he's got that weird thing I always think about I forget who wrote it

[01:03:53] But it was the New York magazine review Of You Don't Mess With the Zohan And they're talking about how weird that movie is And the last It was Jerry Saltz Right Probably Yeah because it wasn't a film review It was an art review Well it's fucking art Yeah

[01:04:09] Maybe it was Edelstein Probably But the final paragraph He I'll see if you can find it Because I maybe don't want to paraphrase it Because David Edelstein And this is a long review Go to the final paragraph What's the thing about Dennis Duganosa's way around Shin Wacking Slapstick

[01:04:26] That's true And Sandler is mesmerizing Some performers become stars Because we can read them instantly Right And I know what he's saying Others Like Sandler Because we never tire Of trying to get a fix on them We can only be sure That with Sandler's fan base

[01:04:43] There will be many more Mad narcissistic fantasies To come That has stuck in my craw For the last decade We're trying to get a fix on them Is that David Byrne thing Where some people become stars In any medium Because there is a thing

[01:04:59] That is so clear and so accessible Yes And some people like Adam Sandler or David Byrne The reason why he can totally captivate When he walks on stage With white tennis shoes And a guitar And sings his biggest song By himself acoustic Is because you go

[01:05:14] What's going on here? I can tell there's a lot And there's a lot of feeling To latch onto But I can't decipher it And you never can It's very interesting that you draw This comparison as well Because obviously this is sort Of what Demi is seeing in Byrne

[01:05:28] And then that's what Paul Tom Is Anderson Demi's greatest sort of acolyte Is seeing in Adam Sandler Yes Which, that's his movie That feels most like a Demi movie too Yes But that weird Interesting Yeah Sure That weird quality that some people just have This ineffable thing of

[01:05:48] There's a whole storm going on inside there Yeah And I can't crack it Have I said my favorite joke from Murder Mystery on Air? I told it to you, but I didn't say it on air You can say it on air Did you see Adam Sandler's Murder Mystery?

[01:06:00] I have not Apparently you're the only person on the globe Because it was watched by Let me check this I know they greenlit Murder Mystery too Four gazillion Martians Have watched it apparently It's hard for me to pitch My Murder Mystery ideas Well, here's What if Colombo...

[01:06:15] What if we don't see I mean In the beginning It was Colombo Oh, Colombo Close the murderer? Yes That's like Where it's like a strip No, it's nothing Okay, fine, I'm sorry We have to bleep that out We have to bleep that out To retire bit

[01:06:31] At the end of Colombo You see that he His two friends become roommates And it's perfect strange And one more thing I'm guilty Lock me up and throw away the key It was me, I did it Throw it in you It's the knife I did it No

[01:06:49] In Murder Mystery Adam Sandler plays an ordinary Shlove from New Jersey Who gets wrapped up in a Murder Mystery Good movie Or whatever I enjoyed watching it I mean, your big line was It is the first movie That you can quote unquote Watch

[01:07:06] While never looking up from your phone And get every single detail It's not a joke, it's not a plot point There's an element you don't miss It is chemically It is a mystery Who cares And one of the men You never have to look at the screen

[01:07:19] All kinds of actors They're playing the sort of colorful characters That maybe did the Murder Mystery Murder Murder did the murder in the mystery One of them is Luke Evans And some man, right And throughout the movie Sandler's kind of obsessed with Luke Evans

[01:07:31] Because he's like this masculine ideal Good looking gang Exactly, exactly And then late in the movie The character's character is wearing Luke Evans' tuxedo The character's tuxedo I'm laughing at his impression of this This is like at the end of the movie It's a big showdown scene

[01:07:48] Like he's in this tuxedo And they're like where'd you get this tuxedo He's like ah, I got it from Luke Evans He doesn't say Luke Evans I wish he did And then he goes like Ah, you know, it's a little loose in the crotch

[01:07:58] And just kidding, he's got me beat He's got me beat I'm just kidding He's got me beat It's so perfectly worth it Tight in the crotch, I'm loose in the crotch Yeah, yeah, yeah But he makes the dick joke And then immediately is like

[01:08:11] Nah, he's got me beat It's such good Sandler Where you're like You know what Sandler is only obsessed with How big everyone's penis is Yeah, there are those weird Right, as much people say Like Sandler is like crass and obvious There's weird subtext That always gets danced around

[01:08:27] With Sandler's persona Because there's that That Aputao story too Where Aputao, he kept saying Aputao Like let me see your dick Come on, I just want to see it Which he puts in funny people Right Where he keeps on asking to see stuff

[01:08:37] And then finally one day Aputao Was at a urinal And then he saw that Sandler Was just next to the urinal Looking and he was like Alright, alright He's just looking at it He's like alright What? Yeah, now I know The story Yes, so Adam Sandler

[01:08:50] Is the David Bruner part time I didn't know if I should say it No, why he's captivating As one personal loan on stage It's the same thing as that Sandler thing Where you're like What's going on with this guy Yeah And have you guys seen that

[01:09:03] Video that's the like David Brun interviews David Brun Which was done to promote this No A must view It is on the Blu-ray But it's also on YouTube And it's an incredible thing But it was this weird promo video They made for Stop making sense That is

[01:09:18] David Brun being interviewed by A rotating group of characters Played by David Brun And it's full zoo TV Him in costume Him with voices And he plays like An old southern man And a lady And all these different You know, whatever Sounds a lot like zoo TV

[01:09:35] It's very zoo TV But his characters are very bizarre And the bit is That it's not about the characters being weird It's that he is constantly Weirder than the characters So his answers they go like David, how did you come up With the giant suit? And he goes

[01:09:50] Well, I wanted to come up With a way to make my head look smaller And making my body bigger Seemed like the best approach Like everything is like These weirdly oblique Sort of like overly glib answers Delivered by a Rubbit man But there is that thing of

[01:10:08] Just like you watch him play All these characters and you're like Oh, he had it in him This weird theatricality Like totally removed from himself I was just about to say It's so weird to imagine him Playing characters because I just can't imagine him

[01:10:21] Even getting into a head space Of someone But I guess it's also like Is he constantly so blank That he's able to very easily Like, alright I'm a different person Is he Peter Sellers? Right Because you watch him and he's like He's not like a sketch comedian

[01:10:34] But he like makes distinct Different characters with different voices And different physicality And you like believe each one Is a separate person But whatever he's doing on stage Is just something that's kind of like Unsolvable And then yeah, right You go from psycho killer to heaven

[01:10:49] Which is when I just text you With tears in my eyes And say like I think this is the most perfect movie Ever made The only reason The only thing you could hold against This movie is if you don't like their music

[01:11:00] If that was just a stumbling block To getting into the show Sure And even then you'd be like I can't argue This is really well done This is the best anyone could direct a concert Right But something about the heaven number With bringing Antina Waymyth

[01:11:15] Like the introduction of Oh we're gonna build a band One by one Really spotlight each person But also the fact that he has The backup singers Harmonizing with him off stage Not to be like a literal dummy about it But there was something I found so emotional

[01:11:29] About it feeling like It is literally like the heavens singing with him That they are unseen It's spooky It's spooky It's spooky It's these angelic voices But also you're I feel like I'm paying attention to the bass In ways that like You know the bass line

[01:11:45] That you might not If you're just watching a band perform Right And it's still like Just like crushingly intimate Just the two of them up there And it's a very Naked and emotional song And weird Forces you to recognize that Tina Is an amazing bass player

[01:12:00] Heaven is a place No, sorry, Kieran Place for nothing Never happens I also love that during that performance They start like setting up Like they bring out like Is it Jerry on the drums or Chris? I think Chris It's Chris on the drums Like on that platform

[01:12:14] And like he chooses to sort of Like let you see the stage Hands like moving in Which I love I love it so much And I feel like it's such a I keep thinking of it as a strange choice Given the song And how intimate that feels

[01:12:27] With just two people But it's like I don't know It's weirdly cool to just Have it be like This is an intimate performance But you should get the same experience That they're getting Of having this sort of Almost interrupted by stage hands

[01:12:41] Or like they cut away from that Just to follow the stage hands And they're all in black And I'm like well can you see them If you're in the audience Or like how does the lighting work But it's just all The fact that the Stage is coming together

[01:12:51] As well as the band coming together That you start with it being Just like a completely vacant Like warehouse-y space The weird like guts of a theater That you never see Where you're like oh it's just Like a poorly painted brick wall And like ladders and stuff

[01:13:04] And then you slowly like bring on The separate band members And you bring down the backdrop You know you bring in The drum platform I love that when he walks out You can see all the marks You know for what's going to happen Like there's this weird blueprint

[01:13:18] For like what's you know going to happen Whereas an audience member wouldn't get Because I like the idea of a concert film That's giving you something a little different Than what you would have experienced As an audience member This is a concert film that certainly

[01:13:29] Makes you feel like you're at this concert But it also right it has That kind of magic quality That a lot of them don't It makes you feel like how It would feel to watch this concert Not what watching the concert looks like

[01:13:40] It is not didactic in terms of Sort of like all those 3D concert documentaries We were talking about which is just like Get the cleanest coverage And you do it in 3D And it feels like you're there in the audience And this is giving you like intimacy

[01:13:51] That replaces the energy You would feel from being in that room You know he's making strong choices To try to capture In a sort of subjective way The feeling of a live performance And all those captured moments Of just the people jamming together You know?

[01:14:11] Love it love it Feeling each other I mean I was like thinking after Sort of like looking and just like Reminding myself of all these people's backgrounds It's crazy to think once you get everyone on stage The influence on culture of all of these people

[01:14:26] Like modern lovers, Tom Tom Club Bernie Worrell who we haven't talked about Organist founding member of Parliament Funkadelic I mean that is I mean It's just it's amazing to think of How much influence all of these different People have had It's just great to see them then

[01:14:45] On stage together playing together And it feels like they don't Like maybe it's just because it's so early Not early in their career but like It's so maybe not far enough That they just have like a jaded sense About who they are, like the music they make

[01:14:59] But it does feel like that's why The moments where they like break And are smiling at each other Like you see Jerry Harrison trying to play And like dance along with the backup singers He's kind of off and you're like This seems so fun and how like

[01:15:12] It's so lunchy and like Just sort of like truly I don't even know it's like You can tell that they're enjoying That they have for each other is real And it's like they're not just like Yeah we're all just getting together

[01:15:23] We're really good, we're going to do a job It's like we all fucking enjoy this Still in like our truly experiencing it Every night It's like Voltron Yes it's exactly like Voltron No Gallagher to bring up Hot Once Again Was recently on Hot Once

[01:15:36] It was a great fucking appearance No Gallagher one of the great people To give interviews And he talks about how like He has a great line where he says My youngest son who's either Seven or nine He's incredible And Sean Evans goes He's not eight and he goes

[01:15:50] Definitely not Well maybe eight And there's a bunch of things he talks about One thing he talks about is like You know Sean Evans brings up the Nebworth concert Which is this very famous British concert Where he's just played to like 130,000 people and it's just insane

[01:16:04] And he's like Yeah that was crazy and also I remember and this sounds like Such an old man yells a cloud thing But like no cell phone It's like no one was holding up cell phone Which now is like this Ubiquitous concert experience

[01:16:16] Which you sort of think about with this too But then the other thing he brings up is like Right I could have stayed with Oasis And like so many bands like that That have been doing it for a long time We would have shown up

[01:16:27] We'd have done the concert We would have left and not talked to each other And gone our separate ways And he's like so many of the bands That are still touring That's what they do They don't hang out Like they're not really friends anymore How could you be

[01:16:38] Like you know it's so many years And they all feel like friends in the talking heads Totally and even though They like split up in everything They seem to be on fairly good terms The rare occasions they are together And they never made an embarrassing album

[01:16:49] Well Tina what they did that is true Tina Waymyth does talk about how She's like close with Chris Obviously Chris Chris Married to Chris Yeah and Jerry but says that like David Byrne is like Incapable of friendship And like has never loved them Which it's like

[01:17:05] That's heartbreaking to hear It is yeah I mean it also It's not the most shocking thing in the world Cause he seems like a weird guy Yeah he's eating cottage cheese In a room somewhere right as we speak He's actually right over there

[01:17:18] I'm sorry I didn't mean to point him out I imagine him with like a coffee IV Jorep Interesting What should we talk about Anytime that David leaves the room I want to talk about something We can't talk about with him here

[01:17:29] What is he what does he hate talking about Oh god what does he hate talking about He hates bits He hates bits He hates planes Did you take a plane here I did Well I did Yes but I saw you taking some trains as well Right

[01:17:40] I took a plane to train in an automobile Oh boy Just to get in this damn room You did the full hues Full hues A lot of people will do You know one or two Plane in an automobile Yeah No I had to get a train in there

[01:17:51] Almost took a boat But Wasn't feeling it Sure Just I was like It's the three You two sucks right We can just say that with David out of the room You two is one of the worst Yeah Bands ever Yeah Right Come on Man This is a controversial

[01:18:11] It was great Oh wait Demi No you okay It's a retired bit You haven't heard the episode yet But it's a retired bit We have to bleep that out What's the retired bit I'm not going to say it Because it's retired Okay I'm saying the It was good

[01:18:24] Demi Oh okay Well I'm sorry that I'm making a lot of work for you He's too twisted We have to He's Okay you don't want to Look up there in the rafters Yeah you don't want to I don't I get that

[01:18:35] I don't want to get smacked in the face with a fish And the fish is wearing makeup Fish is wearing makeup It's the kind of thing you would do He's talking for it You can fucking do that And I don't even want to say who I'll say it

[01:18:44] I'm not afraid of him Now I am I was going to say it and then I thought about the fish again And I don't want to I feel like Bono made people think like When celebrities take on like causes

[01:18:56] I feel like he made it where people were like Oh matey with the sunglasses Is trying to do something I feel like there's something about the trajectory of people feeling like Oh my god I think it's Oh cool Another Hollywood elite trying to help the world out

[01:19:11] I think it's a double-edged sword It's a sunglass It's a sunglass And the sanctimoniousness of it And the iPods Dather you The iPod thing Deliver Your album I didn't ask for it Oh that too I just meant the fact that he was like It's a red iPod

[01:19:28] And that's charity Yeah Remember when that was the thing where it's like And now the iPod is in red And the money is like It will give like one dollar to a charity And it was the only other color for the first ten years of the iPod's existence

[01:19:43] If you wanted anything other than the white iPod He had to be like it's the Bono one You know like I kept on being like Aesthetically I would want a non-white iPod Yeah But I don't want the red one I'm very fascinated The article that was written

[01:19:59] Now I'm forgetting what outlet it was But about you a couple months ago Me? Yes When you were talking about leaving Punch up the jam Oh the ringer And going to New Zealand Yes the ringer piece which is incredible Thank you I wrote it About yourself

[01:20:14] You're an even better writer than I thought you were No but you know I have long been a fan of yours Thank you Not yours Our friendship has come out of me just being a massive fan of yours For years and years and years

[01:20:26] I think you're one of the best comedy brains on the planet Among other things But you in that article talked about This feeling of Unease in a way Is that fair to say? With like sort of this career You've made for yourself doing things

[01:20:43] That aren't what you thought you were ultimately Working towards doing As much as you enjoy them Yeah I feel like it's sort of like I do so many different things And then get known as the blank guy And it's like that's not the fault of anyone

[01:20:58] And it's like obviously if someone was like familiar with my work Through like Gilmore guys They'd be like it's the Gilmore guy guy Or what like it's not wrong in any way But then I start feeling like What if I'm not ever able to do

[01:21:08] The things that I set out to do What if I get tagged What if one of these sticks And I become the novelty of that And not even necessarily it's like one of these sticks And because of that I become this guy

[01:21:18] But it's just like what if I'm never Able to do the things And I'm like well these are my goals And then it's like well These things that I kind of do Are just for fun or because they like come up as ideas

[01:21:26] In my head or like the only thing I'm ever able to create And they're like not super creatively fulfilling Although they are like very fun And often come out of me just being like Oh that's funny or like having an idea

[01:21:36] That sticks in my head over and over And just like being like I'm gonna do it And it's like sometimes they also feel like Distractions from like real work Like finishing something I'm supposed to be writing Or like and I just kind of get the sense of like

[01:21:46] These are so much easier for me Than the things I feel like are my real goals And like the like outlet where I'm like No this is what I when I've done it I will be like I am as like good

[01:21:57] Or successful or whatever people want to call me As I like as people want to say But then I'm just kind of like If these are easier and I only end up doing this Than what am I? Well right you're a person with very broad Creative aspirations

[01:22:13] And I feel like if you're someone who has in your head The things that you've been like I want to do this someday I want to make a thing that feels like this Or something with this kind of shape Since you were like a child

[01:22:22] You don't feel like you're doing what you were meant to be doing Until you're doing that work Even if you are making a career for yourself Or getting attention or getting positive notice For doing other things Totally Even if you enjoy those things

[01:22:35] And they've been helpful in getting me closer and closer But I just keep being like I'm not doing the thing yet Which is like such I think it's just a damaging way to think about anything But it's also like kind of

[01:22:45] I feel like also it doesn't help that I sort of get described in ways that like People who like are almost unanimously Like hated on the internet or where it's like people are like This content creator like Vine star And I'm just kind of like

[01:22:56] I put on the music I don't write any of those things that are sort of reductive Right Well yeah, because I mean I became a fan of yours through Vine And the thing that was so infectious about your stuff on Vine Was just like

[01:23:06] This feels like this guy is making it Because he thinks it's funny Without any thought towards whether or not This will be funny to anyone else I'm not gonna lie to you It was all for the money Okay never mind

[01:23:17] It was all for those sweet sweet Vine dollars But there was that sort of like It felt like very earnest expression Of like weird things you think to yourself That make yourself laugh Combined with always the knowledge Of how much work you were putting into everything

[01:23:31] There was always a unnecessary amount of technical complication To any seven minute video you did That made it funnier I feel like that's always for me been like one of the things I'm like that's kind of the joke Is like when people are just kind of like

[01:23:43] You have too much time on your hands I'm like yeah That's good figure here So you're supposed to be like why the fuck did he do this But even like the succession song that you did That's like your most recent at the time

[01:23:53] Of our recording thing to sort of like Yeah two months from now I got What's out this Christmas Frozen musical That's not the one that you saw on Broadway A whole three hour musical Yes I got what else is happening Oh you know we can Star Wars

[01:24:08] What else have we got going on Spies in disguise We're doing stores Guys you're gonna do a Spies in Disguise No I can't Old hat, Will Smith shit Old hat But DJ Khaled is in the cast I don't care Old hat He was in Aladdin too

[01:24:22] He's a bird not a hat I just want to make this clear Old bird He's an old pigeon Okay I just feel like Like this succession video for example right A lot of people if they had that idea

[01:24:35] And know that succession is on the tip of everyone's tongue Right now it's the ith thing Would try to figure out how to put together The best quality production So they could make it like in theory Totally primed for virality Right We hired a good crew

[01:24:50] And I spent twenty thousand dollars to do a two day shoot For a thing that might just The fucking disappear on the internet And you do neither which is You don't just record yourself singing And put it out there But you don't spend too much money

[01:25:04] And too much energy doing it You spend the weirdest amount of energy doing it Which is each separate voice Being in its own box As separate video and audio tracks Well for that I had originally done it As like one of my credits videos

[01:25:19] And been like it had lyrics and the push a t thing Happened and I was just kind of like What's another way to do this And I had been like seeing that song Just to my girlfriend and to friends for ages

[01:25:28] And they were just going to do something with this And I was like I'll eventually do it And then the finale was happening I was like I guess I gotta do it now Before everyone's like what the fuck a succession And then I was just kind of like

[01:25:38] I don't know it's got this weird like Feel like those acapella videos you see Of people like filming themselves singing And then they started recording it So I mean do you feel that conflict I mean I'm trying to sort of like

[01:25:50] This is also sort of all the stuff we're talking about With the ineffable power of the talking heads Nice segue, thank you But do you feel like there's the conflict of When you have an idea like that Do you go like should I really do this one

[01:26:08] Does it have to be something like really special For me to commit to doing it Rather than trying to focus my time on Writing my screenplay or whatever the bigger project is So the thing with me is like There's always something where I'm like

[01:26:20] Oh that's funny and I'll take notes on it And if I keep coming back to it I'm like Okay shit maybe I should do this But then there are also times where it's like I've fully written a thing and then just been like

[01:26:29] Ah the time has passed, I really Like it's irresponsible of me to focus on this right now So it's like if I have something that like Is an active project that I'm like I need to be on a deadline for this

[01:26:41] And then I have this other idea and I'm just like I guess it'll fall by the wayside There's an entire Lion King song I wrote as Donald Glover that I'm like I just didn't put it out cause I was like Well it went away and Yeah

[01:26:54] But I want to hear that I keep thinking like when's the DVD coming out Maybe then But Ben went to the bathroom so now we have to talk about Something we can only talk about when Ben is coming Oh sure yeah did you pull that one

[01:27:04] War is weird, it's so weird War is weird Fucking strange Oh wait no that's you How can you not like Bono, all my chips are on him The iPods were red They were red David David you fucked it up Now Jonathan knows

[01:27:17] Okay well that's what we talked about when you And you know what one thing I didn't say Why don't they do the charity songs anymore With the superstars Oh you mean like doing Oh It's Christmas Yeah That would be fun Like get them all in a room

[01:27:30] Film it I One of them is like trying too hard One of them is clearly hung over and has like sunglasses on One of them is like trying to get into every single shot I mean this seems like something DJ Khaled would organize now

[01:27:43] That's like his job right he's basically a wedding planner Like you know he has like a clipboard His phone number He gets a producer credit on songs and it's just kind of like What'd you do it's like I put him in a group chat

[01:27:56] Man he is so good at threading people together in one after This guy is a master of whatsapp Have you seen his slack It is insane Here's the thing I want to go back to What you were talking about When you didn't have phones everywhere Yeah

[01:28:11] When we could just have a conversation with each other You wanted to poke someone you had to do it with your finger Yeah and the cops would look the other way Yeah it was a pretty bird Wasn't giving you a thumbs up Only tweeting you heard

[01:28:24] It's a robin up in a tree Yeah Back to Robin are we That's what he wanted to go back to maybe Yeah maybe I think that conversation was off Mike It'll make no sense to people We were talking about Robin okay We lost track of everything

[01:28:38] This is what I wanted to say Jonathan You were talking about Yeah I'm sorry the amazing Jonathan The amazing Jonathan documentary yes that's my name The amazing Jonathan documentary Sims Wait can I do something that I know Ben will hate Please He won't like that

[01:29:00] Alright you were saying I have a lot of respect for you if you're doing that You were talking David God damn it For fuck's sake Jonathan Amazing Jonathan documentary Sims You were talking about I can't wait to go to the bathroom when he gets back I'm not gonna

[01:29:15] You were talking about how The shift to concerts being that looks difficult Sure right right right This is crazy this is right The one-offsmanship of how much money are you spending on the thing How many people are on stage How much technology is there How much physically

[01:29:33] Costume changes are there Obviously talking you know it's not making sense One of the most famous costume changes of all time But it's just one Just one And otherwise he's removing items of clothing Because he's too hot Well there are times where it's like

[01:29:46] You see his hair is suddenly slipped back At first I'm just kind of like Oh is it because they shot across four different nights And then it's like no these are like conscious decisions To be like well this is a different persona

[01:29:55] He has the glasses that he puts on at one point Yes the red hat He's got the full he straight up looks like Trump Like the big fuck It's crazy the oversized slacks and the red hat It's hilarious to see now

[01:30:05] It's so insane the Trump ruined red baseball cap I know You never would have seen that coming I was sitting on the subway on the way here And I'm just kind of like oh red hat And then I'm like I was like

[01:30:13] I gotta get a look at the front And I was like oh no some gold logo And I just felt weird about like Why has he done this Ben forwarded me this website That was selling reproductions of the production hats The crew hats for midnight run

[01:30:25] And I was like oh I want one of these And I ordered the midnight run hat and it arrived And it is red with midnight run and white font And I just looked at it and I went oh I can never wear this Sure

[01:30:35] I can't I can't wear this Even though it's like the graffiti logo I was like it's He's wearing a red hat with nothing on it Yeah That color of that hat Is no ruin He looks more like well Does Ness have a red hat No way to know

[01:30:51] Anyway Ness No it Is it blue Is it blue or is it red It's blue I feel like it's a two tone It's red Oh with a blue Yeah blue bill Blue bill that's what I knew there was a blue bill

[01:31:03] Yeah that's what keeps him from being a maga stand You know the other person who had a famous This guy fucks Oh please That is a child Jonathan He fucks Jonathan Yeah Is there anything less surprising and more unbranded That Ness is my go to and smash brothers

[01:31:18] Oh my god it's so annoying Cause it's like oh what if I was in this fight What about you Demi do you play smash brothers Oh I do I'm a toon link man Which is also you're like yeah that's not surprising Makes a ton of sense

[01:31:31] Yeah cause I'm tiny and I run around and go Eek Got a lot of heart though Got a lot of heart At least three I need him to live Who do you play as Jonathan Regular link is a fave of mine I like the sword boys

[01:31:44] Give me a pit You are a regular version of me Yeah I'd say Right I have like a slightly more deep throated Yeah Yeah Yeah I like link I like Marth Give me some Marth Marth? Yeah Marth I Marth it up Who's Marth? He's got a sword

[01:32:03] He's like the Fire Emblem boys Wait wait wait It's Marth And then I love Roy Yeah Roy is another one The thing is I know that these are real characters It just sounds insane I love Roy Roy rules Logan Yeah Yeah I went to school with Logan

[01:32:20] And now he's in a game It's so great to see his game Lawrence Thompson He's from the HR department as a Nintendo You can unlock him and he just It is weird when they started being like I don't know the Wii Fit trainer And people are like What?

[01:32:33] And they're like Yeah sure The Game and Watch stick figure That could be a character right But they were in early I feel like they were in the first Yeah Wii Fit's a funny one They got weird with it early enough That they could be like

[01:32:44] Okay well you like that weird You can head a literally anything Yeah I like Mega Man I like Mega Man Do you know what I'm waiting for in Smash Brothers? I want them to make the physical consoles playable

[01:32:56] I want you to be able to play as an N64 Give me a virtual boy Kind of waddles around like Codsworth Can like give people epilepsy Oh god My friend Pat Who will be on the show at some point Pat May one of the best people I know

[01:33:10] One of the finest people I know We did a road trip to Toronto And we went to a vintage video game store And they were like We have to warn you People think this is a cute thing to do Legally if you want to buy it

[01:33:22] We cannot refuse to sell it to you But it will make you sick We don't want you to buy this And he was like I got it And they were like We really advise Are you gonna put it in the case And he was like

[01:33:35] No I'm gonna play it And they were like We really Don't play it And then he proceeded to Play it in the car ride back The virtual boy Which has like a little C stand Is supposed to be placed on a desk He put on his lap

[01:33:49] With headphones And was playing it in the back Of a moving vehicle Did he barf? He's dead How's it gonna be on the pod? Some day when we do a stay on episode Exactly No he's a great man And his brain is broken Because he played virtual boy

[01:34:03] It is just crazy to imagine That Nintendo was like Okay look We spent a lot of money on this thing And I was like Uh huh Games are cool It's crazy But it's not an issue Uh if you play it at all

[01:34:14] You throw up and have a headache Yeah Like fuck How do we get around Like they wait all the way To making it And then they were like We can't get around this It is the worst thing to do Problem There was more vetting

[01:34:25] At a vintage game store Trying to buy A virtual boy 20 years later Than people have buying a gun In the United States of America There was like They need to improve paper Show responsibility It feels like There was a guy Who was in charge of like

[01:34:39] Just checking the systems And he got blind at one point Like I can't lose this job And I was like Uh it works great It works great I love the games Perfect The difficulty of concerts Right People need to do the Sort of like One-up design

[01:34:56] Yeah but I remember When the Ashley Simpson thing Happened on SNL Sure And a bunch of people came To their defense To her defense And said like Well I mean look That's what the industry is now Like people want these big Concerts where someone does 18,000 costume changes

[01:35:10] And they're flying on the stage So the last thing they can worry about Is actually singing Like that's impossible It's physically impossible to hit those notes When you're that out of breath And you're doing that much Night after night Right So I'm sorry

[01:35:24] This is what you've asked for And now of course Ashley Simpson Is going to lip sync Even when she goes on SNL Because that's what people get used to With the live performance Yeah And like this is like This is watching this film You're like this is

[01:35:36] Why you would want to go see a concert 100% The most a concert could be While still feeling truthful to The idea of seeing live music This is when rock music Was still mainstream music Yeah I would argue I mean obviously there Is like some popular bands

[01:35:51] That I don't pay attention to That are out there but I don't think there's like Very many cool Mainstream rock bands I would argue Greta Van Fleet No you know what I would argue What I'm like Yeah Yeah that's a A person and or band

[01:36:06] Like what's the three sisters Hi Hi The band I would argue Oh that's what I meant Yeah The band I would argue Just in type of thing I'm not talking in terms of quality Although I do like them But the band who I think comes

[01:36:21] Closest to doing the type of thing Talking heads used to do In terms of the energy Of their concerts Their actual size In terms of like Record sales and everything And the sort of like Conceptual aspect to their other Works is arcade fire Like arcade fire

[01:36:36] Does a little bit of that Where it's like We're gonna perform at a church We're gonna do a music video That's interactive We're gonna do this We're gonna do that That dance album was pretty rough It's not very good Oh yeah that's sucked

[01:36:46] And right they released that single And everyone was like Cool new direction Oh this is fun And then the album came out And it blew Was not good I didn't know what album you're talking about It's called Already for good Everything now Oh yeah Yes Cause you know

[01:37:01] We got everything now But the song is called chemistry Wait you're not into this No Yeah sorry The single is good It is that thing though Of like you're watching this man on stage Like Everything short of bleeding for you By the end of it

[01:37:17] He is sweating so much right It does feel like someone just like Performed an exorcism on him When you look at like The husk of his like Tired body at the end of it But it doesn't feel like He's doing that For the sake of

[01:37:29] Look how hard he's working It feels like he is just So committed to what he's doing Yeah That he is feeling it so deeply You know that it's taking Everything out of him And I don't know I just feel like it's gotten

[01:37:44] Replaced by that other type of showmanship That is more You know how you like me now Kind of I feel like there are so many smaller bands Who have to rely on the showmanship Cause they don't Are not Actually yeah the showmanship Because they don't really have like

[01:37:59] The money to like put on like Incredible performances With like technological Set changes or whatever And that's where so much of that energy lives But it's also just like The crowd is giving you the same energy As the people on stage So it's like

[01:38:10] I don't know it just feels like This sort of feedback loop of Like that's when they're still enjoying it But then I wonder if like those bands As they slowly get bigger Start to have to rely on other things Where it's like

[01:38:21] Oh the energy of that performance doesn't Like no one gives a shit When you're like performing on I was gonna say Leno And then I was like Let's pretend we're not 75 For sure Who's on TV now? On Logan Paul You got right yeah 100% On late night with

[01:38:38] Jacob Sartorius Yes of course And it's like I think that like They start thinking about What's more important in performance And how you have to like plan for it As a visual thing Past just being in like this one room Right With this concert film

[01:38:55] You can sort of feel that it's like They were caring about both But in a way where They could kind of just focus on What works in the room And like Just work on like the angles And how to like sort of

[01:39:06] Make each thing feel different in a way That so they don't have to just go Like well if it's gonna be a visual medium We gotta think of it in a different way And we gotta have David Byrne Like talking backstage About like the things he's gonna do

[01:39:17] Or like show him getting into the big stage It's so great that they don't explain anything Now maybe that type of live performance though Too is it comes down to Most people are seeing them on a big screen Yeah Because they're playing these huge venues Right

[01:39:29] So it's like it's gotta have more than just A band playing music Yeah In order for you to stay engaged Cause you're basically you just see ants So it's like there's gotta be visuals There's gotta be gimmicks Right but when things get that complex

[01:39:41] A they have to be so carefully And tightly worked out That they start to become a little Sort of hermetic Yeah You know and like airless Because it's very specific The cables have to be in this moment At this whatever And also people are gonna be watching them

[01:39:57] On a giant screen So you have to be hitting very specific Marks for framing And that makes it so that any concert You were seeing in any city Would 95% be the same And any filmed performance of it Would be 95% the same As watching any live performance Yeah

[01:40:14] And this feels like despite it being Stitched together from a couple different shows This feels like you're watching something Very unique being captured in a bottle You know Yeah that's It feels like there is like sort of this Through line of how the concert's supposed to go

[01:40:27] And it's just kind of like This is We have things planned at every point But there's like small moments where Like goes a little to the left And they lean back into the middle And it's like those small moments where it

[01:40:37] Just, I mean I've said this like 20 times now But it just feels real and like They're enjoying each other's company That make it feel like This is why this documentary Works so well Totally He words things differently on some of the songs Yeah

[01:40:48] And you can't tell if he's getting the words wrong Or if he's just feeling different That way or whatever Yeah It's strange There's, I forget one The line in heaven where he totally swaps out Three words in a row Sure Yeah

[01:40:59] Or he says blank check instead of heaven He does It was very much like the opening of this episode Just as good He talked about Robin too He did talk about Robin off mic I keep thinking about The Beyonce documentary Homecoming

[01:41:12] And how like there's one moment that feels so impressive Where they cut between the nights And it's like so tightly choreographed That like everyone is in like yellow And they have this wide shot And they cut to the other night And they're all in pink

[01:41:25] And you're just kind of like Holy shit Everything is like right on the money And that's so impressive But at the same time There is this sort of like Realness and like Sort of like Relateability and enjoyment That you are missing from this performance

[01:41:40] Because it's so clearly like Right, that's more like Theatrical This is perfectly choreographed It's not a living thing In the same way I mean that's what I texted David It's athletic Like the Beyonce And it's like super Like I'm not trying to knock on anything It's super impressive

[01:41:54] But I think like the lack of that Is why so many concert films Now will just have to be like We need like a backstage moment Where you can feel the realness And it's like The ones in the Beyonce documentary Don't feel more real But I mean

[01:42:05] We're never going to get that with Beyonce We just kind of have to accept that But it is just like It's still an impressive thing But you can't like exchange it fully For the things that you get And the performance that It almost just feels like

[01:42:17] They kind of were just like Oh, we're just happening to capture this Concert The thing I texted Amazing Jonathan documentary Sims last night Still Sims Yeah, of course Family name, no disrespect But when I was like There's an argument for this Being the most perfect movie ever made

[01:42:36] And I was like It's just pure creativity Like you were just watching Pure creativity and craft On stage And you kind of can't argue with that You know there's nothing in it That you could find objectionable There's nothing What kind of jerk would you be if you're like

[01:42:51] Eh, what's this thing with the glasses What is a nerd now I don't like that part Everything's sort of just the right amount And also just ambiguous enough That you can sort of find your own meaning In it Your own feeling in it What's your guys' favorite bit?

[01:43:07] Favorite song From this? Yeah You had to pick I love In This Must Be The Place Where he's dancing with the lamp Like he has this weird smile Where he's like falling over the lamp And then like picks it back up Like he's like

[01:43:20] I wasn't supposed to go that far And then he's just like He lands back into place And he's like I know it's just so like Anytime David burns smiles I feel like it's this weird thing He's not supposed to do Because he Again, just like he's been eating

[01:43:31] Cottage cheese And had no emotions for years That it's like Oh, he's real And it's just seen There's a spontaneity to it Yeah And also You just think of yourself And like What if I was fucking around with a lamp Yeah And also just

[01:43:44] That's definitely the kind of thing That if I were Had watched this when I was a kid I'd do it in my living room And just share the fucking lamp Right He, in that video That's him interviewing himself One of the characters asks him

[01:43:53] Well, would you ever write a love song, David? And he goes like I don't know Love is pretty big I tend to Prefer songs about little things Like animals Or food Or buildings I did write one love song though But it's about a lamp And that's his explanation

[01:44:10] I Again, well that's cool Yeah I like just the idea Like you're watching a lamp dance And a lamp is not a human thing And it can't dance And like that he's showing you Like the sort of like You ever seen any Pixar opening? That's true I'm sorry

[01:44:25] You ever seen that brave little toaster As a lamp in that one? Fucking lampist You know, right Like that he's bringing personality To something inanimate And it does feel like Like he's You know, doing a Fred Astaire routine With a lamp But that thing also with like

[01:44:40] Most sort of like On-the-edge new I'm saying he wants to fuck a lamp Of course We had to Yeah, a hot lamp A hot lamp In 2019 Most like really sort of cutting New wave artists always incorporate Things, very classical things from the past Sure

[01:44:57] So there's something about watching this New wave rocker Sort of doing a Fred Astaire routine Right So sort of earnestly And then with the big suit He's being inspired by like Ancient Japanese performance Right You know, like That was on his mind

[01:45:12] Right, he was talking about the theatricality of Japanese theater And how big everything was And how he wanted to apply that to sort of All the weird emptiness of like American culture that their songs are about It looks so like very like

[01:45:24] Klaus know me with the big shoulder pads And what not too And it's this incredible It's got that weird expression I mean you can project so many metaphors Onto the big suit but like You write that idea of like Sort of getting lost in Superstardom

[01:45:35] And performance and like your Trumps America Yeah, I think He's trying to talk about Trump's America And the clowns in Congress Yeah, I think Coming Yeah, exactly You know big fashion Or bigness in fashion Yeah, we need a fashion corner here Was like a thing

[01:45:49] I would say like last year There was a few designers Were there making those Giant ass puffy jackets Lenny Kravitz with the scarf Well, I mean that's just That's just a really cool look Lenny Kravitz with his peanuts The thing about It's oversized

[01:46:03] So I got an inflatable Minions costume last year Big Fashion Big I love Minions I do Ben has decided that he's You know what I'm saying? Ben has decided that he's Now gonna get into Minions With absolutely like Sincere and Ironic appreciates The Minions on Dead

[01:46:21] He's not supposed that he's Gonna start watching the movies And getting into Minion memes My dad is an earnest Fan of the Minions Of course he is Always, dads love Animated films More than they should But But is that mostly like Does he like the Minions on Facebook

[01:46:34] Or does he like the films or both Oh, the films Okay I don't think he has Facebook But like I remember At Universal Studios And they had like The Minions singing YMCA And he's like Ah, that's Stuart singing YMCA And I was just like

[01:46:45] He knew it's one of those He didn't say Minions He said That's Stuart singing YMCA Your dad and Nick Weiger Should host a Minion podcast Oh, my dad would Hate the podcast thing But he's like Yeah, I'll talk to your friend About Minions

[01:46:59] Just tell him it's a series Of phone calls That you're recording Once a week you're gonna Talk to this guy for 45 minutes about Minions Oh, and I get money Yeah Well We'll see about that He will probably believe Weiger Is his own age

[01:47:11] Like oh, this is a contemporary of yours He is also a man who's settled down He's gonna be crying I'm gonna have to like catfish him And be like I need to hire like an older guy To like pretend to be Nick Weiger Hold up a photo Yeah

[01:47:23] Nick's voice will match that Ugh Ugh, what a great podcast Ben produced David Burn David Burn Is that what we're talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah Stop making sense There's the This sort of meme now Of like, oh, David Burn Predicted everything Where people take elements Like his work

[01:47:38] Or lyrics from songs or whatever Yeah, and then we said our president's crazy It's her Like how could he know? Right That line where he said hashtag dump Trump He did say it Let's call him Trump He said it early He said that too

[01:47:54] Maybe this should be your next concept album It's just David Burn Same as about the Trump administration There was this interview I was trying to find again I kept on finding other quotes Like adjacent to it But like from him in the 80s Talking about technology

[01:48:08] And the early days of like Computers and automation Like he was freaked out by ATMs Sure And was like, I can see where this is going People want to avoid interaction with other humans Everything's going to be convenience Which like he was pretty on the money about

[01:48:22] But there's this one quote On the money Like me ATMs I should put him on the money And we should That'd be fine That'd be weird Yeah, it would be weird The big boxy suit Of all the people I'm a $6 bill There's this one interview

[01:48:38] I found with him A couple months ago That I couldn't find to read today Where he talked about How he perceived the future was going to be Our personal information Would be the ultimate currency That we would be given almost everything We wanted at great convenience

[01:48:54] If we were willing to give up Some of our privacy And he just like He fucking hit it on the head Now I'm just imagining someone being like Please, I'll show you my dick Just give me the fucking money I just need two dollars off this coffee

[01:49:09] I'll give you one ball You want both balls? And you go find Adam Sandler Here you go My penis You're right I know what you're waiting for Should we play the box office game? I think we should Yeah, are there any final thoughts? I mean I hope

[01:49:27] This encourages you to watch Some more Jonathan Demme films I'll watch some more This Jonathan Demme film Okay And then we're gonna move on to Philadelphia Here that's a fun one Set in Philadelphia It is Great city Philadelphia set in Philadelphia? Mm-hmm

[01:49:41] Well shit, you guys should have told me that I don't know I just, I was like No, they're trying to get to Philadelphia For sure Right, yeah, it's a Road to movie Yeah I know this is a stand up joke That everyone made in the 90s

[01:49:51] But it is kind of crazy That movie's called Philadelphia Of course, right Because it's like If you made a cancer movie And called it New York It's very, I don't know why There's the brotherly love thing I think that's the reasoning And it is where it's set Yes

[01:50:05] But it's also It'd be weird if it wasn't set there Maybe it was just like they eat cream cheese At one point They're like, mm Although we recently learned on Dubois To follow off your cream cheese Not for Philadelphia Sure Everything I know is a lie I know

[01:50:17] Where's it from? I think like Delaware I don't know Jesus Christ This is a sham Yeah, anyway, box house game Oh okay, sure Okay, so this movie came out On October As we already said 18th, 1984 The very day we're recording Yeah 35 years ago It opened in 7 theaters

[01:50:36] It made $40,000 It's gonna go on to make a few million dollars As you say Yeah, big success Benzion and Sorry, avatar level Avatar levels Just for inflation This would make 700 million to best That's right Okay Number one At the box office And this is

[01:50:52] This is a 1984 box office So there are some movies here Where I'm like Some real 84s Wait, this is October 94? October 84 That's right 1984 box office Sounds like an Orwellian nightmare Oh Oh Do you know what I'm saying? I do Not real Johnny Number one Has been number one

[01:51:11] This is its third week Okay It appears to be quite a hit It's a comedy drama Not what I thought How to describe it It's a profession The title is a profession Yes A relatively normal profession Like a Ghostbusters No No, not that one What? Ten comedy points 100%

[01:51:39] The answer of course is Gretlunds No I've never seen this film I know nothing about it Except that it's about Being this It's singular or plural Having this job It's plural It's plural So no definite article It's an occupation that's Blank's been mistreated For many years Sure

[01:52:00] Underpaid undervalued Okay, Jews They made a good movie in 1984 What'd you say? I said Jews He just said Jews He said we're tired of it Timmy had a good joke I know but it's retired He's gotta believe it out Ah, okay He's too He's too comedy

[01:52:17] Kind of the same joke Yeah Sure No Tell me about the stars of this picture We got Wait, is it a the? Nope, one word It's plural We've got one of these I mean at the time I would imagine it's kind of young Earlier in his career

[01:52:34] A grizzled man now You love doing an impression of him You do a great impression Nolty That's right Okay, so it's a nolty Then we have a guy who You know You said Jews He's a famous Jew Really? Oh yeah Oh boy Big time Yeah Think about it

[01:52:54] Dryfus No Hmm In 1984 Big old Jew Just a honkin' Jew He's still around He's still bucking Jew roles to this day It's not Hoffman It's Elie Wiesel Gold? No, but now you're close I mean that sort of territory You're in that sort of just like hairy character actor

[01:53:15] I was gonna say shoulder hair Richard kind You're swerving over there Come on One of the kind nolty comedies, right? Yeah Come on Now I want you to just get this Jew Oh no, why is that being isolated In Jewish To be clear I was literally like

[01:53:33] I need someone to say that they're Jewish I'm Jewish We're There's some Jews in here Come on Okay One of your favorite sitcoms he's in Jud Hirsch There you go, Jud Hirsch So he's in it Nolty Jud and nolty One of the younger people in this movie

[01:53:52] Is played by Ralph Maggio I must not know this movie No, there's no answer I never respected these people Is it called Cops? Is the movie of the Teachers There we go Teachers It's been purely straight for groups Cops and teachers

[01:54:09] Cops are just teachers for the city, man From the second fan site that I knew I had a 50-50 chance again Right, and the time is your teacher's It's Cops or Teacher Yeah, it's from Arthur Hiller The director of many movies

[01:54:18] Is the poster like an apple with a It's an apple with a wick that's sparking I know If I made a movie called Teacher Cop Would you hate it a lot or kind of like it Because it's both What, is he busting teachers?

[01:54:30] I haven't figured it out yet I got a, you know If it was like a horror film In which that was the slasher Then would probably love it Because it would replicate his inner workings Well, I'm not saying I'm trying to murder anybody

[01:54:42] No, I'm saying they were trying to murder you Oh, okay You would like, like finally people Understand how dangerous these cop teachers are Yeah Joe Beth Williams is also in it That time the cops go after a white man for once He's trying to get commentary now Teacher?

[01:54:58] Apparently Morgan Freeman in a minor role Yeah, Morgan Freeman And it was number one These are all famous teachers Weeks in a row Made $27 million domestic Okay Number two Is the best actress winner I had no idea who was in that movie Best actress winner of the year

[01:55:14] Sort of a notorious Oscar win Natory Because of the speech My cousin Vinny No, no It's not Marley Matlin Oh wait, Sally Field In Norma Ray That's the first one What's the second one That's right You really like me Sally Field her first Oscar for Norma Ray

[01:55:34] In my opinion highly deserved It's a wonderful movie And she's incredible And then her set And then a few years later She wins for places in the heart Which is It's a Robert Benton movie It's sort of like a family drama Said in the what? Depression Right, yeah

[01:55:47] Right And that's when she goes on stage And she says You really like me I didn't realize that was her second Oscar That was the whole point Which she was like The first time I thought okay But this time now I realize You like me

[01:56:00] You really like me That was the sort of sentiment You have proven your love to me By giving me the second Oscar Which is really truly The only way to prove Your love to anyone That's true Give them two Okay number three And then box up

[01:56:13] So that was a big box off his head Yeah solid Solid Weird Can't be the teacher That's true Number three is a movie I'm gonna have to look up I'm gonna have to look this one up Let's see So you have no knowledge Of what this is

[01:56:28] Brings a very vague bell Now this is an occupation It's not technically occupation But I do think it's very cool Ben probably thinks this title is cool No women It's illegal I think that's cool I like I don't know I'm like What? Is it like miniature?

[01:56:47] I'll give you the tagline Okay Ben thinks it's cool and it's illegal Those are the hands we got Ben thinks it's cool and it's illegal I'm gonna actually have to zoom in To see this The tagline Wait, it's an occupation? No I mean It could be

[01:57:03] If you're good at it Here we go Here's the tagline Okay He stole her diaries Into her dreams And became her desires Is there a movie based on Elle Scorcho? It's a movie about a burglar Who steals a diary And gets infatuated with the woman Whose

[01:57:24] Like whose diary it was And begins to like sort of Stalk her to like Is it that fucking Phil Collins movie? No Tarzan? There's a romcom starring Phil Collins Where he plays a burglar And I'm forgetting what it's called This is no romcom This is an erotic drama

[01:57:43] Wow It's produced by Bruchheimer and Simpson Early in their careers How? I've never heard of it It was nominated for a couple of Razzie awards It stars Stephen Bauer I'm just gonna give you the title Yeah, give me the title Thief of Hearts

[01:57:56] Yeah, would never have gotten that But it Not a bad title Correct, it sounds like The kind of thing Ben would like Ben just flashed a peace sign I think it's I like that premise so much That I'm like, ooh, pretty good I kinda wanna watch that

[01:58:08] But now I'm like, damn it It's bad Buy the remake, guys I think this is so great I will buy the remake for it So that is new this week It made three million dollars this week Hot IP, hot IP Number four

[01:58:18] Now I wanna make sure about this Yes, okay, alright So It's based on a novel Okay Which, and it was recently remade Again as a miniseries Recently Recently, but this is Right when the novels come out It's got a big female star Flowers in the attic No

[01:58:35] Good guess Okay Castle Rock Yeah, yeah, it's about a castle on a rock No, it's like Again, it's sort of like Ben saying like thief of hearts Not actually an occupation But sort of a title Two Brokerles Big fat liar Two Brokerles was a long miniseries Very long

[01:58:55] Very long No, it's like It's like describing what she is I don't know how to do this Okay, okay, wait The sinner These are all TV shows from now It's a famous holiday song That's true Like a Christian Simply having a wonderful Christmas song

[01:59:15] So it's a Christmas song It was a book George Roy Hill picture An Oscar winner at this point She'd already won Famous lady, yes Fonda? Yes, yes, no No, think Kukier Think Kukier I'm Fonda her Keaton, Diane Diane But one of those Diane Keaton movies

[01:59:33] Lost to memory, I feel like And is this a darker one for her? Yes, yes This is like a serious sort of spy drama Diane Keaton's spy thriller You're describing them all in ways where I'm like Good movie Sounds good Apparently according to Wikipedia Divided reviews

[01:59:50] Klaus Kinski is apparently in this What? Sounds cool How big was the TV adaptation recently? Not that big But pretty well reviewed It was from like a cool foreign director Seven seconds God damn it, you won't convince me that thing is real Alright It's seven pounds

[02:00:09] Alright I'm gonna give it to you Okay The little drama girl That's right I did not know there was a previous film Who made the Park Chan Wook The director of Old Boy And lots of cool things A rally nightmare Number five

[02:00:24] And this is the only one you guys might get Is a great comedy starring One of the great comedy stars That we all probably love I know you love him I guess as you might also love him Who's like a comedian Airheads You know

[02:00:41] Big comedy stars of the decade It's not Ghostbusters No it's not Ghostbusters Ghostbusters number eight Is this person still alive? Okay so it's not always Are they still making movies? I mean he'll show up in a movie these days But he's ramped down I mean his

[02:00:57] It's not Steve Martin It is Steve Martin It's 1984 Is it Roxanne? No that's later Curly Sue Curly Sue Is he not in that? That's right Belouche Steve Martin 1984 The jerk is 80 or 81 I love this movie Don't you like this movie? I've never seen it

[02:01:18] It's not the lonely guy Life Is it All of Me? Correct There we go All of me is Lily Tomlin Who dies And ends up in Steve Martin's body Yes Oh And he has So it's like RIPD kinda But he's got both inside of him

[02:01:41] Very much like RIPD It's pretty much identical to RIPD You know he won He won like the New York film Critic Circle best actor that you know That was sort of an incredible performance This is a great actor As well as like a great comic

[02:01:52] It's an incredible performance It's a pretty good movie The performance is amazing Yeah And she's amazing too She rolls Yeah So some other movies you got Razor's Edge The Bill Murray drama Someone who would be Like they're the kind of star where it's like

[02:02:05] I'll do it for like an hour Someone where it's like you can get rid of them early Sure Bruce Willis In Tiffany Haddish's body Yeah Right So Tiffany Haddish just turns into A stone-faced grump for half the movie Yeah Tiffany Haddish doesn't want to act

[02:02:20] Who keeps asking for more money In a bigger trailer Just keep saying I've done enough takes You got what you need You want me to put on makeup to look He should put on makeup to look like me Yeah You've also got Soldier's Story Great drama

[02:02:35] You got Ghostbusters So Ghostbusters is number eight And Razor's Edge is where? Six Wow So you got a lot of Murray You got this movie Purple Rain Yeah I don't know if you guys have heard of it Because I think that The story with Razor's Edge

[02:02:47] Is that he had made it No one wanted to release it They wanted him for Ghostbusters He agreed to do Ghostbusters If they released Razor's Edge Sure Right Ghostbusters was still whooping ass Sure At this point six months after its release That's right

[02:03:02] Ghostbusters has been in theaters for 20 weeks And it's made 211 million dollars Crazy And now like right months in The Bill Murray drama comes out And people are like no collective pass Right And Bill Murray runs away to France And doesn't make another movie for five years

[02:03:14] So what you do? Weird guy Study at the Sorbonne Is Gremlin still up there? No no Gremlin Really? I wonder if Gremlin's got re-released for Christmas No You've got the karate kids still in there Ninja 3 Which is Ninja 3 Ninja 3 the domination The third Ninja Fall Oh yeah

[02:03:33] That year you have That year's Best Picture winner, Amadeus And previously there was Ninja 2 And I think it was Ninja 1 Like they were calling their shot No I think they said Ninja 1 I would love to make a movie With a title having a one

[02:03:48] And I'd just be like Fucking call me on my bluff mother fucker That's Pokemon the first movie Which is like a threat Or Doug's first movie was the same thing Oh boy that one didn't work out That was congy I'm gonna pitch Colombo season 1 Yes

[02:04:05] David you said earlier in this episode That you had something you wanted to reveal about Zero Dark 30 Oh no that was part That was just a bad joke I stumbled with You were gonna pretend that You hadn't seen it

[02:04:16] But that is actually funny cause last time you were on Zero Dark 30 was the only big one movie You said you were gonna be in town for these days I said we're doing Big Low You said the only one I've seen is Zero Dark

[02:04:27] I keep coming back to the pod for the only movie I've ever seen of a person's filmography So what should we do next? Um Oh I've only seen one Hugh Grant movie My favorite O'Toole Which is it He is Is that the only film?

[02:04:42] I was looking through his filmography And I was just like this is upsetting That's crazy you've literally never seen another Hugh Grant movie Not once Cause I'm like I know him so quick Of course he's a type onto himself

[02:04:54] I think there are so many people who have permeated The public consciousness that I just don't know them And I just never There was a time up until when did the Force Awakens come out 2015 I'd never seen another Star Wars movie before that Wow

[02:05:07] I also didn't get into movies until college So I was just like my parents didn't show me movies as a kid I didn't have any Other than click Well they didn't show me that I saw the poster and was like well this is the film I watch

[02:05:19] My mother take me to the cinema And I left that theater a man Speaking of Sandler That was your Bar Mitzvah That was my Bar Mitzvah Not Jewish Still got a dick cut that day That's not how Bar Mitzvah's work I learned how to cut a dick

[02:05:34] As soon as I said it I was like Is anyone going to call me on this? I was like everything I just said should be cut Let me cut your penis buddy Not a Not an intentional Boy I'd love to see Sandler make a mole movie

[02:05:47] Well because Zohan was the same thing Where they wrote Zohan in like 97 And the studios were like Get the fuck out of here What are you talking about And it took like 10 hits in a row For them to be like Jesus Christ

[02:06:00] Make your Middle East Conflict Hairdresser movie It doesn't hit right? Yeah made 100 million dollars I don't think it made quite that It made 100 I'm looking it up Because his 100 track record Of Happy Madison comedies Only got disrupted by Jack and Jill Just made 100 But it made 100

[02:06:21] Jack and Jill was the one that like slipped Very quickly Could I just add to something I don't know if you guys know David Byrne is putting on a show Yeah American Utopia I really wanted to go and see it Because like I was just like

[02:06:35] Well I love David Byrne And he's been doing the show for a while And apparently it's great And he like took it to festivals and whatnot But just there's gotta be something different About singing on Broadway But I'm like It's got a similar vibe to this

[02:06:48] Like they're all sort of wearing like Just gray suits They're not wearing shoes It's like a 12 piece sort of like band But they're moving around on stage And it's like choreographed in ways where It's like they'll be all in the line And then someone will step forward

[02:07:00] And someone will step backwards And then like move to this It's all just like seems very theatrical Right That seems cool Yeah But wasn't he doing like What's it called? Not Color Force Yeah the I know it's your It's like a flag sort of It's like a

[02:07:15] Not color guard Yes color guard That's what it was He was doing color guard shows He had a name for it that had color in it As well and now I'm just Yeah But it was out of that tradition I believe it was called Contemporary Color That's it

[02:07:26] There we go But in this Vogue article It's quoted here It's part rock concert Part theatrical spectacle And part intimate exploration Of a major artist's career Wow So I don't know Can we say one Check it out One final thing about David Byrne Has that guy worn

[02:07:42] His hair going white well Yeah Like he makes me want to lose all the color in my hair I can't wait Another thing that just makes the Fucking David Lynch thing harder Totally He's actually gotten more lynchy and right Yeah, because they both have The hair swoop Yeah

[02:07:58] Damn it DJ Webe We're giving you back your name Thank you I thought it was fine Okay I thought it was fine We didn't need to comment on it It was fine Okay fine But I don't know If you have anything you want to plug

[02:08:12] You're in a transitional period Yeah By the time this comes out I might have done nothing Cool Or Or Might have done something fucking wild Great This is coming out December 8th To be clear That's Nothing notable to me We should mention You did direct the Goldfinch

[02:08:31] Which would be out on most platforms Oh okay I'll cut that out Okay Cut that out I think it's time people know Some other old guys getting credit And I just I don't know Goldfinch You were the one behind the camera being More boring No, no, no, boringer

[02:08:47] I did stop and say Ansel you are a little too captivating right now I want you to fucking less engage I'm interested right now Not working for me Let's choose Take your foot off the pedal And somehow you like

[02:09:01] Went into the editing room with a two hour cut And you're like Can we stretch this out somehow You beefed it up It is the first movie that is just played at Half speed Yeah I did some reshoots And we were kind of like

[02:09:12] No, the people in this Test screening are still awake Exactly It's experimental I'm doing like a reverse angly Yeah So Goldfinch available now In prime video probably Sure You're lucky Yeah Crackle You're the best in the biz Thank you Electrolamen You are We always talk about

[02:09:34] When the September video came out It came out when we were recording here Yeah And we just watched it Like he's the funniest person on the planet Thank you Truly I'll hit a cap with that At some point where I'm just like I can't do anymore It's done

[02:09:47] But I don't know what that'll be For the time being I mean anytime you release anything I am constantly In all of your brain Well thank you You should put up You should make it a theatrical experience The September Ooh A pop-up shop where people come

[02:10:01] And experience me dancing around And then another group of people Comes in and I'm just fucking Tired by the end of the day You should reach out to David Brang Oh I should Maybe he's seen him I could get a big suit You could get a big

[02:10:12] You would wear a big suit well You mess with suits before I have messed with suits before For those videos Yeah I ended up in between two friends Cause Zac Alvinak has seen those videos There you go Alright And he told me that

[02:10:23] He has talked to Maurice Bailey You show up as one of the viral people In the beginning Yes Or no I'm at the end As the DJ Of course I haven't even seen the movies But people have told me Yes You are his DJ

[02:10:35] When he gets his big time Hollywood talk show Yeah So you can Watch that Is itonia stone hulu Sure Watch that Big Itonia fan You really are the biggest Itonia fan Eight times Eight theaters or in total Maybe foreign theaters We're letterboxed friends Every year you have

[02:10:54] The movie where you're like Yep this is my year It's parasite for me this year Well good choice Yeah But I also Speaking of letterboxed Let's not I don't Danny There's too many people in your comments So watch that happen But I'm also just

[02:11:09] I think a lot of people think of me As someone where it's like This guy knows movies Sure I haven't seen any of the other John and the Demi movies Sure I don't know a god damn thing About anything But you know what you like

[02:11:20] I know what I like Yeah And I like Itonia I know what I like And it's I She does three spins in the sky That's right I skates Thank y'all for listening Please remember to rate, review, subscribe Thanks to Andrew for good For our social media

[02:11:33] Lane Montgomery for our theme song Especially today Jubbo and Pat Rounds for our artwork Go to T-Public for some nerdy shirts Go to Patreon Where we're closing out What are we coming up on that Performance review Yeah in a couple days We're gonna have Oh swimming to Cambodia

[02:11:49] Oh perfect timing With our special guest Peter Newman My father Seriously watch out for that one It's an amazing episode It's a burn burner Yep And as always I like losing in the sky I haven't seen it That's my Completely fucked up That's my crazy opinion

[02:12:07] That's my opinion this year I gotta have some crazy opinion about him I think it's a low key kind of good I just am sitting on a Matt Lauer joke So of course Oh jeez Today I'm sitting on it But you said You said that you had it

[02:12:36] And that's bad It is just as bad I didn't have it I said I was sitting on it Okay well I didn't place it on this chair It was placed like a whoopee cushion This joke I sat on it to suppress it

[02:12:47] That's not what you do with a whoopee cushion You do No you sit on it to let it out If you're sitting on the joke This analogy doesn't work You're suppressing the whoopee cushion Which releases the fart What? No no if you sat on the chair

[02:13:01] And there was whoopee cushion on it Then you know That's how it works The whoopee cushion is gonna do its thing What you do is you stand up And you avoid sitting on it Right maybe you could sort of perch Yeah Okay so maybe what I'm doing

[02:13:11] Is just closer to like Steve Rogers Jumping on the grenade You know Okay Where it's like I'm gonna sit on it So that no one else has to And then we didn't know the grenade was there But you're like Guys just want you to know

[02:13:22] I have a grenade That was a terrible 5 minute digression I want a little credit I want a little credit I'm a hero Fair I'm a hero I'm a very stable genius