Suicide Squad

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David

[00:00:05] Blank Check with Griffin and David

[00:00:09] Don't know what to say or to express

[00:00:13] All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check

[00:00:20] Oh, I'm not gonna kill ya.

[00:00:22] I'm just gonna podcast ya.

[00:00:24] Really, really bad.

[00:00:27] Just great. Better than him.

[00:00:29] Better than the real thing.

[00:00:30] I've always said I should have been in the running.

[00:00:32] Even better than the real thing.

[00:00:33] Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Griffin Joker Newman.

[00:00:37] I'm David Enchantress Sims.

[00:00:40] And with us as always is a man who goes by many names.

[00:00:44] Some people call him producer Ben.

[00:00:47] Other people call him slipknot.

[00:00:49] They call him killer croc.

[00:00:51] They call him El Diablo.

[00:00:53] El Diablo.

[00:00:54] Captain Boomerang.

[00:00:55] Sure.

[00:00:56] They call him Rick Flag.

[00:00:57] They call him Amanda the Wall Waller.

[00:00:58] Who calls him Rick Flag?

[00:00:59] Everyone calls him Rick Flag.

[00:01:01] Fools walking down the street.

[00:01:03] Can't stop yelling out, yo Rick!

[00:01:05] I don't appreciate it.

[00:01:07] No.

[00:01:08] Don't call me Rick Flag.

[00:01:10] Do not call him Rick Flag.

[00:01:11] Let me say this.

[00:01:12] He is not Katana.

[00:01:15] No.

[00:01:16] He is Professor Crispy.

[00:01:18] Is he Griggs?

[00:01:20] Who's Griggs?

[00:01:21] Ike Baronholz.

[00:01:22] Oh yeah, he's Griggs.

[00:01:23] Is he GQ Edwards?

[00:01:26] Yeah.

[00:01:27] Scotty Swidge's character.

[00:01:28] Yeah.

[00:01:29] And of course, he's our own Harley Ben.

[00:01:32] Oh yeah.

[00:01:33] Haasley Quinn?

[00:01:34] Haasley Quinn?

[00:01:35] Haasley Quinn is okay.

[00:01:37] Hello everyone.

[00:01:38] Ladies and gentlemen, Ben Haasley.

[00:01:40] Here in the room with the two friends.

[00:01:43] This is where it happens.

[00:01:44] You're here, you're refreshing your podcast page.

[00:01:46] What?

[00:01:47] I thought this was an Elizabeth Town episode.

[00:01:49] What the what?

[00:01:50] Look, desperate times.

[00:01:51] Fucking we all, we had a meeting.

[00:01:54] We, we dialed up the red phone.

[00:01:56] We came to the Oval Office here at the UCB studios at three o'clock in the morning and we said

[00:02:02] we must record Suicide Pod.

[00:02:04] Correct.

[00:02:05] This podcast is called Blank Check.

[00:02:07] It's usually filmographies.

[00:02:08] We go through directors who have had early success and then the way they cash in those

[00:02:13] checks that Hollywood gives them.

[00:02:15] That's the true whatever.

[00:02:16] But sometimes something comes up and God, we'd be foolish if we didn't talk about

[00:02:20] this movie within its four days of relevancy.

[00:02:23] That's the thing.

[00:02:24] Yes.

[00:02:25] That's the thing.

[00:02:26] No one's going to be talking about Suicide Squad two weeks from now.

[00:02:28] Nope.

[00:02:29] We're going to all have Pete's Dragon Fever.

[00:02:31] We're going to be Florence Foster Jenkinsing all over town.

[00:02:38] All the Kubros are going to be out there, you know?

[00:02:40] The people who are fans of Kubo and the Two Strings.

[00:02:42] I hear it's good.

[00:02:43] I hear it's a low key charmer.

[00:02:45] I haven't seen it yet.

[00:02:46] Leica has yet to fail so far.

[00:02:48] Yeah.

[00:02:49] But today we're talking about the 2016 David Iyer motion picture Suicide Squad.

[00:02:56] Now I saw this movie at a press screening.

[00:02:59] Yeah, we're recording right now on Friday, the day that the film technically came out.

[00:03:03] It's out there.

[00:03:04] People are all suiciding all over town.

[00:03:07] You saw it this Monday?

[00:03:08] I saw it this Monday at a press screening and you know, I think I didn't think it

[00:03:12] was going to be great, but I didn't think it was going to be what it was.

[00:03:16] And I came out of there and we were recording a podcast a little while later and I said,

[00:03:20] guys, we got to talk about this movie.

[00:03:22] So we're going to talk about the movie.

[00:03:24] Great story right?

[00:03:25] Yes.

[00:03:26] I've seen some people online accusing us of avoiding Elizabeth Town.

[00:03:29] They go, oh, denim invasion Suicide Squad, you're just pushing off the inevitable.

[00:03:33] Elizabeth Town is in the can baby.

[00:03:35] Yeah, we talked about it weeks ago.

[00:03:36] I was mad.

[00:03:37] Yeah, he hated it.

[00:03:39] We bought a zoo already.

[00:03:42] We're pushing this in because we need to get it out there.

[00:03:46] But don't worry, Elizabeth Town is coming next Monday no matter what.

[00:03:50] No matter what.

[00:03:51] I wonder if there would be, what would cause us such another pod emergency?

[00:03:56] If the cloud collapsed.

[00:03:58] Okay, that would be bad.

[00:03:59] Right?

[00:04:00] I think Florence Foster Jenkins went surprised.

[00:04:02] Is that what it's called?

[00:04:03] Oh, you're saying if we saw another thing in the next week that we had to talk about first?

[00:04:07] Yeah, exactly.

[00:04:08] If there was just something that blew our minds that bad.

[00:04:11] FFJ might do that.

[00:04:14] Florence Podster, Gencast.

[00:04:15] Do you even know what we're talking about?

[00:04:17] Florence Podster, Gencast.

[00:04:21] It is a movie where Meryl Streep plays a lady, a real life person.

[00:04:25] Based on true story.

[00:04:26] Much like Suicide Squad.

[00:04:28] That was based on true story.

[00:04:31] Who was famously bad at singing opera but got to sing an opera?

[00:04:37] She was very wealthy and her husband was very well connected and he supported her in her dream

[00:04:42] of being an opera singer despite the fact that she was objectively horrible.

[00:04:45] And then she became, he would like rant out venues for it and she sort of became this cultural phenomenon

[00:04:50] that people would go to see like she was like the original room.

[00:04:53] You know, she was like the room.

[00:04:55] I mean that sounds like a great underdog story.

[00:04:57] Yeah.

[00:04:58] Exactly, yeah.

[00:04:59] Someone bought her way all the way to Carnegie Hall.

[00:05:02] Yeah.

[00:05:03] It shows you that the little person can make it in this world.

[00:05:07] But I don't like the little guy.

[00:05:09] No, no you like the big guy.

[00:05:11] That's true.

[00:05:12] Yeah, you do like the big guy.

[00:05:13] Were there any big enough guys?

[00:05:14] There was a pretty big guy.

[00:05:15] Oh, there was a big guy.

[00:05:16] We'll talk about the big guy.

[00:05:17] We'll talk about the big guy.

[00:05:18] Okay, so David saw when we were getting ready to record our We Bought a Zoo episode

[00:05:22] he came in and was explaining to us how bad it was.

[00:05:25] I said I can't see it being as...

[00:05:27] And I had read the reviews.

[00:05:29] The reviews had cracked at that point.

[00:05:30] And I was like, see I look at the trailer and it doesn't look that exciting to me.

[00:05:33] But I can't see it being a calamity to the degree that you're explaining.

[00:05:36] The stakes seem so much lower too.

[00:05:38] You know, you got a Batman vs Superman that, you know, you got two very well-known characters.

[00:05:43] You're having them, you know, like you got a lot to do there.

[00:05:46] Aside from the Joker...

[00:05:47] This is like a bunch of people who gives a shit about it.

[00:05:48] ...aside from the Joker and Harley Quinn, you're dealing with characters that like,

[00:05:51] no one's gonna be upset if you fuck them up in the same way.

[00:05:54] And they haven't really been depicted that much popularly, you know?

[00:05:57] So it's like, you know...

[00:05:58] I mean there's some hardcore fans who are gonna be invested in Harley Quinn or whoever,

[00:06:02] but like, you know, I mean, you know.

[00:06:04] Yeah, Joker and Harley Quinn are the main two and the other two, it's a Captain Boomerang.

[00:06:07] Most people, you know, they don't know from Captain Boomerang.

[00:06:10] Yeah, there's so many jokes one could make,

[00:06:12] but the main thing to say about Captain Boomerang is no one's ever heard of him.

[00:06:16] Yeah, yeah.

[00:06:17] So you said that to us, Ben and I went, I guess we gotta see this thing.

[00:06:20] We went last night at the time we were recording this,

[00:06:23] we're like, you know, 14 hours off the film.

[00:06:26] And we saw it with the three hosts of Black Man Can't Jump in Hollywood.

[00:06:30] Great podcast, great friends.

[00:06:32] Yes.

[00:06:33] Two of them have appeared on this podcast.

[00:06:34] We'll get the third one.

[00:06:35] Yeah, we'll get him.

[00:06:36] We'll get him at some point.

[00:06:37] We need to find a movie that he wants to talk about.

[00:06:39] Yeah, there just needs to be.

[00:06:40] It'll be a little, it'll have...

[00:06:41] But we saw it with the three of them, so it was, you know,

[00:06:43] five dudes who on a weekly basis yell about movies on a podcast.

[00:06:47] True, true.

[00:06:48] Seeing this movie together, it's just a pretty good experience.

[00:06:50] And three of whom, and I'm probably gonna lump you in here,

[00:06:53] are really invested in Will Smith's career.

[00:06:55] Yeah, you can lump me in.

[00:06:56] Four people.

[00:06:57] Are you invested?

[00:06:58] How do you feel about Will Smith's career, Ben?

[00:06:59] Yeah, right, so four.

[00:07:01] You like Will Smith, but you don't keep yourself up at night

[00:07:04] worrying about his next choice.

[00:07:05] I do not.

[00:07:06] I think the four of us do.

[00:07:07] I think Drawe, James, John and I.

[00:07:09] Oh, all three of them have J-names.

[00:07:11] It took me that long to realize that.

[00:07:12] Took you that long to realize that?

[00:07:13] Yeah, J. John. Jameson.

[00:07:15] Okay, so we all have now seen the film Suicide Squad.

[00:07:19] Correct.

[00:07:22] Where do I start?

[00:07:23] Did not like, would not watch again.

[00:07:25] Right, F.

[00:07:26] Yeah, F minus.

[00:07:27] F minus.

[00:07:28] Bad.

[00:07:29] But we're not just here to pile up on it because this, you know,

[00:07:31] in the same way our...

[00:07:32] It would be easy to.

[00:07:33] It would be very easy to.

[00:07:34] And we're gonna take some doodoo's on certain elements of this film.

[00:07:38] But I think that...

[00:07:39] Most element.

[00:07:40] The reason we're so fascinated by this and that we want to talk about it,

[00:07:43] even though it doesn't really fit into the narrative of what our show usually is,

[00:07:46] the same reason we want to do this, you know,

[00:07:48] that lost emergency episode for.

[00:07:50] BVS.

[00:07:51] BVS, DOJ in 4DX is because there's never really been anything like the way Warner Brothers

[00:08:01] is going about trying to construct this DC universe, cinematic universe.

[00:08:05] Right.

[00:08:06] And how much they are failing every single step of the way.

[00:08:09] Right.

[00:08:10] And it's kind of like the most high profile, high budget, year's lung calamity

[00:08:16] that has ever happened in the film industry, I would say.

[00:08:19] It could prove to...

[00:08:20] Like, I mean, they make money at least these movies.

[00:08:24] They don't make enough perhaps, but they at least probably earn their money back.

[00:08:30] I mean, I think...

[00:08:31] Like, barely.

[00:08:32] I mean, you know, the thing they threw out for Batman vs Superman was

[00:08:37] it needed to hit $850 million to break even.

[00:08:42] It did.

[00:08:43] I mean, the new...

[00:08:44] I wrote about this for The Atlantic this week.

[00:08:46] I write for The Atlantic dot com.

[00:08:48] The new margin for these things is $1 billion.

[00:08:52] That's like kind of a nice big profitable mark you want to hit.

[00:08:56] But what's insane with these DC movies is not even like,

[00:08:58] oh, that's where we get a big profit.

[00:09:00] It's like that's the point where you get any sort of substantial profit.

[00:09:03] Yeah.

[00:09:04] At $850, they're like cutting their losses, you know?

[00:09:06] At like $900, they'd be like, okay, we're not sweating it.

[00:09:10] And at a billion, they're like, okay, we made some money.

[00:09:13] It takes a billion to make some money for these movies.

[00:09:15] The movies tend to cost...

[00:09:17] I've been looking into this.

[00:09:18] You know, they cost about $350 to $400 million to make and market.

[00:09:23] Right.

[00:09:24] And a studio, you know, you can go by the rule of thumb that they take

[00:09:27] about half of the money a movie makes.

[00:09:29] Yes.

[00:09:30] In China, which is now the second biggest market, they only get 25%.

[00:09:33] That Chinese government.

[00:09:35] But this movie may not even be coming out in China.

[00:09:37] I think this movie was banned.

[00:09:38] China doesn't like suicide.

[00:09:39] I heard that they're not approving the movie.

[00:09:41] They don't like suicide.

[00:09:42] They don't like ghosts.

[00:09:43] Yes.

[00:09:44] So Ghostbusters, Crimson Peak, a lot of movies don't get to make it

[00:09:46] into the Chinese market.

[00:09:47] I read that Warner Brothers changed the title.

[00:09:49] It kind of has a ghost too.

[00:09:50] I mean, Enchantress is sort of ghosty.

[00:09:52] Yeah, and they got a ghost sword.

[00:09:54] And a ghost sword sword with a ghost!

[00:09:56] Yeah.

[00:09:57] Yeah, anyway.

[00:09:58] Whether you'd even pick up on that watching a movie without paying close attention,

[00:10:02] I don't know.

[00:10:03] I don't know.

[00:10:04] It'd be tough to pick up on the scene where he goes,

[00:10:05] this is Katana.

[00:10:06] Her sword captures souls when she cuts them.

[00:10:08] Inside the sword is the soul of her dead husband.

[00:10:11] You might be wondering why she's talking to her sword.

[00:10:14] Well, let me tell you.

[00:10:16] I like that Katana in this movie is kind of just the bowler from Mystery Men.

[00:10:21] Yeah, right.

[00:10:22] What do you mean?

[00:10:24] Mystery Men.

[00:10:25] Good movie.

[00:10:26] That's a good movie.

[00:10:27] Good movie.

[00:10:28] But what I was going to say was, oh, I read today that in submitting the film to the Chinese

[00:10:34] board, a film board, Warner Brothers changed the title because they were like Suicide Squad

[00:10:39] is never going to fly.

[00:10:40] That's a no-go.

[00:10:41] So they're calling it X, question mark, question mark, question mark.

[00:10:44] X, question mark, three question marks.

[00:10:46] I swear to God.

[00:10:47] Because in the film, the technical name for Suicide Squad is Task Force X.

[00:10:51] Yeah, Task Force X.

[00:10:52] And they're calling it X?

[00:10:54] Even Task Force X would be a better title.

[00:10:57] Yeah, but it's X?

[00:10:59] So a little, yeah.

[00:11:01] So as we've been saying, you've got this Marvel movie franchise, Marvel Cinematic Universe.

[00:11:08] It's doing very well for itself.

[00:11:10] It hums along, spitting out a couple movies a year.

[00:11:13] They do well.

[00:11:14] They tend to be well liked by critics.

[00:11:18] You know, there's a spectrum there, but they tend to be pretty hearty thumbs up.

[00:11:24] So then they make The Hermann of Steel with Zack Snyder Superman.

[00:11:28] It doesn't do that well.

[00:11:30] Well, an important thing to throw out is DC at the time that Marvel was clocking away,

[00:11:35] even when not Marvel Studios but just Marvel was licensing out to other studios

[00:11:39] and all those films were doing well, DC only succeeds in getting off the ground

[00:11:44] the three Nolan Batman movies, right?

[00:11:47] And those are great, but Nolan is an artist, you know,

[00:11:49] and he's very controlling over his property

[00:11:52] and he didn't want other heroes coming into it.

[00:11:55] No, that wasn't going to happen.

[00:11:57] Right, they try to do the one off with Green Lantern,

[00:11:59] which was them very much trying to do like an old Marvel movie where just

[00:12:03] here's one hero in his own thing, it's an origin story.

[00:12:06] Didn't work, but they were going by the formula that was tested.

[00:12:11] They just failed at it.

[00:12:13] How did his lantern turn green?

[00:12:15] It was always green.

[00:12:17] What do you think Green Lantern is about?

[00:12:19] That's the color of Will or Hope or whatever.

[00:12:23] Imagination?

[00:12:24] I'm not very good on Green Lantern.

[00:12:26] The concept of the movie is that he gets a Green Lantern,

[00:12:29] not that he's a guy with a lantern that magically turns green.

[00:12:32] That's what I always thought.

[00:12:34] So you think he has a lantern?

[00:12:36] He's just a regular Lantern man.

[00:12:38] He was a Lantern man.

[00:12:40] One day, he was Lantern man green.

[00:12:43] I swear I always thought that.

[00:12:45] No, no. The concept of Green Lantern is an alien lands in his backyard

[00:12:49] and goes, hey you want a present? Here is a Green Lantern.

[00:12:52] Pulling this ring into it.

[00:12:54] He's given the lantern pre-green.

[00:12:57] I'm sorry. I'm glad we clarified.

[00:13:00] But they make Man of Steel, it's not a critical success.

[00:13:03] It doesn't make a ton of money but for whatever reason they decide.

[00:13:06] Dark Knight Rises ended and they were like,

[00:13:09] okay now we get into it, now we're going to do the other ones.

[00:13:11] They also tried to suit my returns and that

[00:13:13] we both agree is a very underrated movie.

[00:13:15] But that's in the middle of the Nolan family.

[00:13:17] But when Man of Steel was set up, it wasn't clear at that point

[00:13:20] that they were going to do an interconnected universe.

[00:13:22] No, no.

[00:13:23] There were some little droppings but it was like

[00:13:26] that's very much a standalone movie with some odd references to other characters.

[00:13:30] So that's right but they decide

[00:13:35] financial sort of success and critical sort of success

[00:13:39] be damned. We're going in on this.

[00:13:41] Well that was by all accounts, they were already sort of prepping

[00:13:45] and breaking story on Man of Steel 2.

[00:13:48] And the movie comes out early or late June.

[00:13:51] By the time Comic Con happens which is a month later,

[00:13:54] the response to the film has been pretty mixed at best.

[00:13:57] Right?

[00:13:58] Yeah.

[00:13:59] And it did well but not like insanely well.

[00:14:01] But now I'm the last people are like,

[00:14:02] well look, it's a franchise era and they're going to make another one.

[00:14:04] I heard that they had the Hail Mary Pass idea

[00:14:06] to do Batman vs Superman five days before Comic Con

[00:14:09] because they wanted to announce it there and get everyone pumped up.

[00:14:12] What were you going to say?

[00:14:13] Well, yeah, it was 2013.

[00:14:15] Yeah, it was a simpler time.

[00:14:16] And the owl they did at Comic Con, apart from I guess talk about Man of Steel

[00:14:20] was Zack Snyder was like,

[00:14:21] and by the way, click, and then just play a video

[00:14:24] that was just the Superman logo and the Batman logo.

[00:14:26] And he was like, we can't talk about anything else right now

[00:14:28] because it's still early stages.

[00:14:29] And the early stages was like in the last 100 hours

[00:14:33] we've decided this is what we're doing.

[00:14:35] Right.

[00:14:37] And then Batman vs Superman comes out and we talked about it

[00:14:41] and you can listen to snippets of that conversation

[00:14:44] in a past episode that were recovered from a mangled core

[00:14:47] by our great producer.

[00:14:48] It's a lost episode but it's a little bit out there.

[00:14:51] We have our thoughts on that but let's move past that.

[00:14:55] But then they also, on the schedule,

[00:14:57] when they planned out this, Batman vs Superman

[00:15:00] they put Suicide Squad on the schedule.

[00:15:02] Very early on which was surprising.

[00:15:04] Very early.

[00:15:05] They were like, and you know what we're also going to have

[00:15:07] is a Suicide Squad.

[00:15:08] Everyone was like, Suicide Squad?

[00:15:09] You're leading with that?

[00:15:10] Curveball.

[00:15:11] Yeah.

[00:15:12] Curveball?

[00:15:13] Because already DC was eschewing the trend,

[00:15:15] or at least the format that Marvel had set up of like

[00:15:18] you're going to set up each of the characters

[00:15:20] in their standalone movie and then you get to the Avengers.

[00:15:22] You know?

[00:15:23] Yeah.

[00:15:24] All in due time, like long game sort of like patient play.

[00:15:27] Marvel was very careful after I would say

[00:15:29] an early misstep in Iron Man 2.

[00:15:31] Yes.

[00:15:32] It seemed like, you know, they were just kind of messing

[00:15:34] with the movie to kind of set things up.

[00:15:35] And then they were like, okay well, you know,

[00:15:37] there'll be Thor and there'll be Captain America.

[00:15:39] You know, you're going to get to know everybody

[00:15:41] and then we'll do it in Avengers

[00:15:42] and then they're all going to be there.

[00:15:43] But let's also say like that was probably

[00:15:45] the biggest gamble in the history of filmmaking.

[00:15:47] Big gamble.

[00:15:48] We talked about it on the BVS.

[00:15:49] Yeah.

[00:15:50] Because Marvel went out on their own,

[00:15:51] went to Merrill Lynch.

[00:15:52] Yeah, we've talked about this.

[00:15:53] Got a two billion dollar loan to self-finance

[00:15:55] our movies.

[00:15:56] And if they had failed,

[00:15:58] if the movies had failed or even like three

[00:16:00] of the five had failed.

[00:16:01] We talked about this exact thing.

[00:16:03] Did it make the Lost Cut episode though?

[00:16:05] Yeah, I think it did.

[00:16:06] Okay, I don't know if it made it.

[00:16:07] I just think it's insane to point out

[00:16:08] that if those movies had failed

[00:16:10] or even a couple of them had failed

[00:16:11] and they had lost money,

[00:16:12] those characters would have defaulted

[00:16:14] to Merrill Lynch.

[00:16:15] Right.

[00:16:16] That was the nature of the deal

[00:16:17] was Merrill Lynch would have gotten control

[00:16:18] of Iron Man Hulk.

[00:16:22] All that stuff.

[00:16:23] Right, which is insane.

[00:16:24] They took a big risk and it paid off,

[00:16:25] like hugely, right?

[00:16:27] And you get to the Avengers

[00:16:28] and it's like, well now we don't have to set up

[00:16:30] each character separately,

[00:16:31] which really ties into what we're talking about here today.

[00:16:33] Indeed.

[00:16:34] You can just make a movie where you hit the ground

[00:16:35] running and it's just about what's it like.

[00:16:36] There's lore.

[00:16:37] We know what the deal is.

[00:16:38] If these characters are together.

[00:16:39] We know who they are individually.

[00:16:40] What's the movie about them being together?

[00:16:43] So, but they put this on the schedule

[00:16:44] and according to recent reporting,

[00:16:46] which you can read in The Hollywood Reporter.

[00:16:48] Uh-huh.

[00:16:49] David Ayer, who had directed,

[00:16:52] like End of Watch,

[00:16:53] he directed the warm movie Fury.

[00:16:55] What else has he done?

[00:16:56] I thought it was called Furry.

[00:16:57] He did Street King.

[00:16:59] He did Street King's a while back.

[00:17:00] Not great.

[00:17:01] Did he do Harsh Times?

[00:17:02] He did Harsh Times as well.

[00:17:03] So he's kind of...

[00:17:04] And Sabotage.

[00:17:05] That movie is fucking weird.

[00:17:08] Yeah, he's a weird filmmaker.

[00:17:09] But he mostly does these very gritty,

[00:17:11] very male films.

[00:17:13] He wrote Training Day.

[00:17:14] Which was his big thing.

[00:17:15] He wrote The Fast and the Furious, my friend.

[00:17:17] Yes.

[00:17:18] He was one of the writers on the original Fast and the Furious.

[00:17:20] Yes.

[00:17:21] He was kind of like,

[00:17:22] he wrote Dark Blue,

[00:17:23] he wrote SWAT,

[00:17:24] he wrote these sort of like gritty crime dramas,

[00:17:26] very like street level LA set stuff.

[00:17:29] He's ex-military.

[00:17:30] Yeah.

[00:17:31] He's very into sort of machismo,

[00:17:32] weaponry and...

[00:17:33] Loves guns.

[00:17:34] Loves guns.

[00:17:35] Dude, fucking loves guns.

[00:17:36] Now, but he's not my favorite filmmaker.

[00:17:38] He's not mine either.

[00:17:39] But I find him to be a very interesting filmmaker.

[00:17:41] Some movies he's made

[00:17:42] have been at least interesting others.

[00:17:45] Like, he has a sense,

[00:17:47] a visual sense at least.

[00:17:48] I am interested by the films of his that I don't like.

[00:17:50] He kind of grosses me out a little bit.

[00:17:51] He does too,

[00:17:52] but it's an interesting voice,

[00:17:53] you know, and he's a particular voice.

[00:17:55] He's tapped as the writer director,

[00:17:57] and he has six weeks to write the script.

[00:17:59] Because they are so strapped for time

[00:18:01] because they put this on the schedule.

[00:18:03] So that's problem A.

[00:18:05] Which maybe...

[00:18:06] That's not great.

[00:18:07] Give him a little time,

[00:18:08] especially as complicated a movie is this.

[00:18:10] Creatively,

[00:18:11] for the sake of your larger universe,

[00:18:12] maybe don't put Suicide Squad before,

[00:18:14] you know, Wonder Woman

[00:18:15] and the Flash and Justice League.

[00:18:17] Like there's this whole thing about this movie

[00:18:19] exists to try to subvert the formula.

[00:18:21] And like when Guardians of the Galaxy...

[00:18:23] Not that the films are too similar, right?

[00:18:25] But the idea that Guardians of the Galaxy...

[00:18:26] No, they are.

[00:18:27] Well, they...

[00:18:28] Guardians of the Galaxy also had the marketing hook of like,

[00:18:30] these are the worst, you know?

[00:18:32] Like these are the worst heroes we got.

[00:18:33] This is a rag-tag group that shouldn't even be together.

[00:18:36] And that was like the 10th Marvel movie at that point.

[00:18:39] Yeah, that was when they did their curveball, essentially.

[00:18:42] So we already like had a formula established to subvert.

[00:18:45] Suicide Squad is subverting something

[00:18:47] that hasn't been established yet.

[00:18:49] It's also making a movie about like how crazy is it

[00:18:51] these villains have to be the good guys

[00:18:53] when we haven't even seen them be bad guys yet.

[00:18:55] That's the other problem.

[00:18:56] Which is such a fundamentally flawed concept.

[00:18:58] The movie keeps having to be like,

[00:18:59] they're the bad guys.

[00:19:00] But to have this movie be the third film.

[00:19:02] Bad!

[00:19:03] And your universe is insane.

[00:19:04] And they don't even seem that bad because

[00:19:06] yeah, like you said, they're just sort of rude.

[00:19:09] They're all rude and they also all like have like

[00:19:11] tragic backstories that make it clear

[00:19:13] why they do what they want to do, you know?

[00:19:15] Or do what they have to do.

[00:19:16] Not Captain Boomerang though.

[00:19:17] Hey, he's pretty tragic.

[00:19:18] He loves unicorns too much.

[00:19:20] What's that?

[00:19:21] I don't know.

[00:19:23] Alright, the unicorn thing bugged me

[00:19:25] because they obviously thought they were being cute

[00:19:27] but it doesn't matter.

[00:19:29] They were trying to get directors

[00:19:31] to come in with interesting takes on DC properties.

[00:19:33] Apparently David Ayer came in,

[00:19:35] had an idea for Suicide Squad.

[00:19:37] They liked it.

[00:19:38] They were like great, let's put it on the schedule.

[00:19:39] Sure, he gave them this pitch.

[00:19:40] They put it on the schedule and also

[00:19:41] I don't think they were near

[00:19:42] being ready for Wonder Woman.

[00:19:44] No.

[00:19:45] So they wanted another movie this year.

[00:19:47] They wanted a second DC movie in 2016, Suicide Squad.

[00:19:50] How are they coming up with the schedule?

[00:19:52] I imagine them in a boardroom throwing darts.

[00:19:55] I think so.

[00:19:56] Well, it's this weird thing where it's like...

[00:19:58] I did that and I think so.

[00:19:59] It's a lot like can we do like June 6th 2017?

[00:20:02] Marvel's already got something there.

[00:20:03] You know, it's a lot of like planting flags

[00:20:06] and then maybe moving flags around

[00:20:08] and then you know filling those gaps up or like...

[00:20:10] But it sounds like a lot more effort went into that

[00:20:12] than making the films?

[00:20:13] Yeah.

[00:20:14] Than writing them at the very least.

[00:20:15] The production seemed difficult,

[00:20:17] but the writing seems to be very quick.

[00:20:19] No, there is this thing now where it's like

[00:20:20] there's like Squatters writes where like all these studios

[00:20:23] like, okay Disney knows they're going to be making

[00:20:25] a Star Wars movie every year for the foreseeable future.

[00:20:28] So they've just planned their flag and been like

[00:20:30] we have December 21st or thereabouts

[00:20:33] every year from here on out.

[00:20:34] Marvel knows they're making at least two movies a year.

[00:20:36] So Marvel has similarly staked out the dates.

[00:20:38] But Marvel's not like putting the cart

[00:20:40] before the horse.

[00:20:41] They're just like we're going to hold this table

[00:20:43] and we'll put something there.

[00:20:44] We have a lot of movies we're developing.

[00:20:46] We'll figure out what we put there later.

[00:20:47] But they have dates into like 2021, right?

[00:20:49] They do.

[00:20:50] And animation they do that with too

[00:20:51] because those films take a while to make.

[00:20:53] But DC was literally just like,

[00:20:55] okay we have no films in pre-production.

[00:20:57] Let's map out dates for the next eight years

[00:21:00] and then come up with films to fill them in.

[00:21:02] Oh good.

[00:21:03] You know?

[00:21:04] That's a smart way to go about that.

[00:21:05] Because they're like you know a couple really coveted

[00:21:07] dates to launch like a big blockbuster

[00:21:09] and they wanted to just get some of them.

[00:21:11] Sure.

[00:21:12] But Suicide Squad got like pushed up

[00:21:14] way early in the production pipeline.

[00:21:16] So he had little time to make it.

[00:21:18] Yeah.

[00:21:19] And then he made it.

[00:21:20] Yeah.

[00:21:21] He gets this big cast for it.

[00:21:22] Little time to write it.

[00:21:23] Little time to write it.

[00:21:24] Then he made it.

[00:21:25] Yeah.

[00:21:26] And just I'm just going to really very rapidly recap

[00:21:28] the supposedly torture production reported

[00:21:31] by The Hollywood Reporter and other sources.

[00:21:33] Yeah.

[00:21:34] He made it and they didn't love his cut.

[00:21:36] They thought it was a little grim.

[00:21:38] Yeah.

[00:21:39] And then there was this trailer

[00:21:40] like a trailer company made that was like all wacky

[00:21:42] with like Queen on the soundtrack.

[00:21:44] And they had like hot topic like flash and visual.

[00:21:46] Yeah.

[00:21:47] Day glow.

[00:21:48] Like tattoos and stuff.

[00:21:49] And they were like ooh we like this.

[00:21:51] Because people liked that trailer.

[00:21:53] They were like that looks fun unlike that

[00:21:55] versus Superman which was so dour.

[00:21:57] Well this is the other thing I think

[00:21:58] Warner's maybe getting a little nervous about

[00:22:00] how grim Batman versus Superman was

[00:22:02] how long that movie was.

[00:22:04] Yes.

[00:22:05] So they go to the trailer company and say

[00:22:06] why don't you make us a cut

[00:22:07] that's maybe a little more peppy

[00:22:09] and they test airs

[00:22:11] and the trailer companies cut simultaneously

[00:22:13] against audiences.

[00:22:15] The trailer cut wins.

[00:22:17] Which is insane.

[00:22:18] By all accounts this is the first time in history

[00:22:20] in Hollywood to do something like that.

[00:22:22] They've asked a marketing company to

[00:22:24] recut a movie to make it more like the marketing.

[00:22:26] But they reportedly they keep air around

[00:22:28] you know they're always abiding by

[00:22:29] DJ rules.

[00:22:30] They're making sure he's the director.

[00:22:32] Yeah.

[00:22:33] You know and he goes along with it

[00:22:34] maybe because he wants to make a

[00:22:35] Suicide Squad 2 I have no idea like you know.

[00:22:37] He's already got his next movie set up at

[00:22:39] Netflix with a hundred million dollar budget

[00:22:41] which is crazy.

[00:22:42] Yeah.

[00:22:43] So and like so a lot but a lot of the

[00:22:45] battles the studio wants.

[00:22:47] So the studio wants exposition leading

[00:22:49] with all these like crazy fun visuals

[00:22:51] you know so that's in there.

[00:22:53] Yeah.

[00:22:54] Like a lot of stuff like file cards

[00:22:55] sort of like flash card kind of like

[00:22:56] quick stat.

[00:22:57] Yeah like you know Killer Croc

[00:22:58] is a crocodile loves to eat fish

[00:23:00] he likes BET blah blah blah blah

[00:23:02] Can I say something?

[00:23:03] Those quick flashes.

[00:23:04] Wiggles.

[00:23:05] Wiggles.

[00:23:06] Those flashers are so quick I couldn't

[00:23:08] read all this shit.

[00:23:09] No you pick up maybe one little joke

[00:23:11] and then maybe.

[00:23:12] They have like 40 things written on

[00:23:13] each still frame.

[00:23:14] Well that it's doing that like more

[00:23:16] is more right just like overload

[00:23:17] overload and so that and then

[00:23:20] it's also this wasn't specific in

[00:23:22] the in the but it's also pretty

[00:23:23] obvious that they were like let's

[00:23:24] file this down as short as we

[00:23:25] can which it shows it's a little

[00:23:29] incoherent.

[00:23:30] And they did a lot of reshoots

[00:23:31] I don't know where they did

[00:23:32] some reshoots we don't know

[00:23:33] it feels ramshackle but it isn't

[00:23:35] because the rumor at the time

[00:23:36] was like oh they're going to add

[00:23:37] in more jokes the movie doesn't

[00:23:38] have any jokes so it doesn't

[00:23:39] feel like they added in a couple

[00:23:40] funny scenes I don't know where

[00:23:41] the reshoots.

[00:23:42] The scenes that have been her

[00:23:43] hearing chatter about it the

[00:23:45] stink of reshoots are like the

[00:23:47] bar scenes which is probably the

[00:23:48] best scene in the movie by

[00:23:49] default.

[00:23:51] Whatever I wasn't a fan of

[00:23:52] that scene but I guess I'm

[00:23:53] not a fan of any scene in the

[00:23:54] movie but I think it's the

[00:23:55] one that comes closest to

[00:23:56] working I think they own

[00:23:57] relative merits I don't know

[00:23:59] I don't know what they

[00:24:00] reshot they certainly added

[00:24:01] stuff in I don't know but

[00:24:03] anyway here it is

[00:24:05] and it's going to make a lot of

[00:24:07] money yes well already last

[00:24:09] night to twenty million dollars

[00:24:10] at the time we're recording

[00:24:11] this it's looking to make about

[00:24:12] a hundred forty million dollars

[00:24:13] opening weekend by the time

[00:24:14] so drops you'll know how much

[00:24:15] it made will be crying

[00:24:16] I'd like to put out a few more

[00:24:18] things to contextualize because

[00:24:19] I think this movie is a weird

[00:24:20] case one is that Suicide Squad

[00:24:22] because I hear a lot of people

[00:24:23] going like well I don't know

[00:24:24] I haven't read the comics

[00:24:25] like what Suicide Squad like

[00:24:26] in the comics Suicide Squad

[00:24:27] was never a big title no but

[00:24:29] it got revamped recently right

[00:24:30] yeah it was created in the

[00:24:32] seventies it was always just

[00:24:33] sort of a great idea which was

[00:24:35] make a dirty dozen with bad guys

[00:24:37] yeah he's kind of like the

[00:24:38] Thunderbolts in Marvel yes yeah

[00:24:40] but it was you know in the

[00:24:41] seventies and eighties it had

[00:24:42] like short runs it was always

[00:24:44] kind of a cult property they

[00:24:45] revived it revived it they

[00:24:47] revived it is captain

[00:24:49] I almost called him captain

[00:24:52] kangaroo captain kangaroo

[00:24:54] Graham they they revived it

[00:24:59] recently in the in the new

[00:25:00] version which now featured

[00:25:01] Harley Quinn was very popular

[00:25:04] this I mean movie A the lineup

[00:25:07] in this film is not reflective

[00:25:08] of any lineup that's ever

[00:25:09] existed in any version of the

[00:25:10] comics is that true I that's

[00:25:12] true they're now doing a new

[00:25:13] sure Suicide Squad run with

[00:25:15] this exact team but a lot of

[00:25:16] these characters have never

[00:25:17] been part of the Suicide

[00:25:18] Squad they certainly not have

[00:25:19] been part have not been part

[00:25:20] of the Suicide Squad at

[00:25:21] the same time but they have

[00:25:23] existed as villains DC their

[00:25:25] various comic book I just

[00:25:27] wanted to clarify that and

[00:25:29] this movie does not in any way

[00:25:31] loosely or you know tightly

[00:25:34] adapt any specific storyline

[00:25:36] from the comic books fair enough

[00:25:38] you know even more so than most

[00:25:40] companies were getting now

[00:25:41] where it's like you know civil

[00:25:42] wars like 25% based on the

[00:25:44] Civil War mini series but

[00:25:45] really they threw some other

[00:25:47] stuff right this movie doesn't

[00:25:48] even have a starting point

[00:25:49] of watch it's riffing off

[00:25:51] of I think you just came in

[00:25:52] with this idea and this is

[00:25:54] the big thing DC the DC

[00:25:57] universe films are so much

[00:25:59] trying to define themselves in

[00:26:01] opposition to what Marvel is

[00:26:02] doing I guess so yeah they

[00:26:04] succeeding in that they are

[00:26:05] defining themselves as bad

[00:26:06] yeah which is the kind of the

[00:26:08] problem and let's make it clear

[00:26:10] like okay so David you and I

[00:26:11] both are Marvel guys I'm more

[00:26:13] when I was a kid we read a

[00:26:15] lot of Marvel comics didn't

[00:26:16] read as many these those are

[00:26:17] the characters we care more

[00:26:18] about that's fair with the

[00:26:19] current you know spat of

[00:26:21] Marvel films I think you and

[00:26:22] I are both kind of mixed on

[00:26:23] them I mean some of them

[00:26:24] we love some of them we

[00:26:25] don't care for at all yeah I

[00:26:27] have a lot of problems with

[00:26:28] what they're doing to the

[00:26:29] film industry at large agreed

[00:26:31] as seen in this film and the

[00:26:32] interconnected universal

[00:26:33] monsters you know like

[00:26:35] cinematic universe and all

[00:26:36] this shit all these Marvel

[00:26:37] universe and I think the

[00:26:38] moral ready for the Lego

[00:26:39] Ninjago movie right I think

[00:26:42] the moral moves are also

[00:26:44] getting to a point where

[00:26:45] they're starting to collapse

[00:26:46] under their own weight I think

[00:26:47] the universe is becoming a

[00:26:48] little too big I mean the

[00:26:49] thing about it is I didn't

[00:26:50] particularly like Captain

[00:26:52] America Civil War we both

[00:26:53] saw it and enjoyed it while

[00:26:54] we were watching it and I

[00:26:55] disliked it more the more I

[00:26:56] think about it I didn't

[00:26:57] particularly like it when I

[00:26:58] saw it we watched it we were

[00:26:59] both like fine with it we

[00:27:00] were fine with it there were

[00:27:01] elements obviously that I

[00:27:02] enjoyed yeah like Spider-Man

[00:27:04] and you know there's good

[00:27:05] stuff good stuff in it yeah

[00:27:06] and yet I didn't really like

[00:27:07] it and yet I got to admit

[00:27:09] certainly one of the better

[00:27:10] blockbusters of the season

[00:27:12] you know certainly one of

[00:27:13] the best I've seen this

[00:27:14] summer by default I mean I

[00:27:15] don't I would put it way

[00:27:16] behind too much of your

[00:27:18] too Ghostbusters and

[00:27:19] Star Trek beyond I haven't

[00:27:21] seen Star Trek beyond yet

[00:27:22] I'm seeing it tomorrow as

[00:27:23] a recording I actually liked

[00:27:25] a lot when yeah I'd say

[00:27:26] Ghostbusters neighbors too

[00:27:27] that's kind of that's

[00:27:28] yeah you're right I probably

[00:27:29] put Ghostbusters and then

[00:27:30] Civil War and Ghostbusters

[00:27:33] even still a movie I have a

[00:27:35] lot of grievances with

[00:27:36] interesting I have like no

[00:27:37] I think I'm like at the

[00:27:38] highest possible I thought

[00:27:39] that was like great I

[00:27:40] liked it a lot I mean I

[00:27:41] just think the one thing

[00:27:42] that no one's really

[00:27:43] talk out with Ghostbusters

[00:27:44] is that the Ghostbusters are

[00:27:45] women which I don't that

[00:27:47] was a problem that was a

[00:27:48] problem you know I the

[00:27:50] whole time usually they're

[00:27:51] men but isn't that weird

[00:27:53] that no one's talking about

[00:27:54] that yeah no in all

[00:27:57] seriously speaking of penises

[00:27:58] oh yeah okay we do a little

[00:28:00] penis report we got it

[00:28:01] okay like so just just some

[00:28:06] set up people know where

[00:28:07] there are people in my life

[00:28:08] who know that I'm talking

[00:28:09] about Cameron Crow movies

[00:28:10] right now there are people

[00:28:11] in your life who know

[00:28:12] that you talk about we

[00:28:13] forced by me about dicks

[00:28:14] I talk about dicks I

[00:28:16] usually initiate the

[00:28:17] conversation and then you

[00:28:18] go along with it yes in

[00:28:19] the podcast I like to talk

[00:28:21] about dicks just fine yeah

[00:28:22] and especially leading men

[00:28:24] showing their dicks because

[00:28:25] we say you know all women

[00:28:26] have to show nudity all

[00:28:27] actresses end up doing

[00:28:28] nude scenes at some point

[00:28:29] or another very very few

[00:28:30] exceptions but men aren't

[00:28:31] showing those wings our

[00:28:32] male movie stars aren't

[00:28:33] showing those wings Orlando

[00:28:34] Bloom oh I haven't seen

[00:28:35] this oh oh then then

[00:28:37] Ben Ben Ben so Orlando Bloom

[00:28:38] was currently dating Katy

[00:28:39] Perry they're on summer

[00:28:40] Mantic getaway and the

[00:28:41] tropics together he is

[00:28:42] a man who's a man who

[00:28:43] is a man who's a man

[00:28:44] who's a man who's a man

[00:28:45] who's a man who's a

[00:28:46] man who's a man who's

[00:28:47] a man who's a man who's

[00:28:48] a man who's a man who's

[00:28:49] a man with a white shirt

[00:28:50] and a black sweater he

[00:28:51] he was caught on the beach

[00:28:54] with a fully clothed

[00:28:55] Katy Perry sure no no she's

[00:28:57] like in a swim suit

[00:28:58] like bikini fully clothes

[00:29:00] that's I mean that's that's

[00:29:02] how dressed up as women get

[00:29:03] right as bikini

[00:29:04] terrible awful the worst

[00:29:06] yeah I know what the

[00:29:07] first they were these

[00:29:08] pictures that of Orlando

[00:29:11] Bloom in the nude

[00:29:13] with a black box over his

[00:29:15] genitals and who knows

[00:29:17] box is indicative, we can't tell how big it is.

[00:29:20] Well also maybe his penis is a black square, we don't know.

[00:29:22] We don't know, we haven't seen it before.

[00:29:24] But then it turned out that it wasn't,

[00:29:26] that he has a pretty regular male organ, sexual organ.

[00:29:30] Now let's say this, the thing we're stumping for

[00:29:32] on this podcast regularly is dicks in movies.

[00:29:36] Yeah no, we like dicks in movies.

[00:29:37] We want movies to show dicks.

[00:29:40] I don't love the idea of a paparazzi sneaking up

[00:29:43] on the beach, getting a picture of a wang

[00:29:44] and exposing it to everybody.

[00:29:45] I think he's being very deliberate.

[00:29:47] I kinda do too.

[00:29:48] For one, I mean, he's literally just like walking around,

[00:29:51] he's like tugging on it, you know.

[00:29:52] He's in like four locations.

[00:29:54] When we say he was paddle boarding,

[00:29:55] he was using that as the oar, it's important to mention.

[00:29:58] But I just wanna get on a soapbox a little bit too

[00:30:01] because I'm tired of pretty penises all the time.

[00:30:03] What about crooked dicks?

[00:30:05] What about chokes?

[00:30:06] Ben you're not gonna be happy with this dick.

[00:30:08] It's quite an attract.

[00:30:09] This is a pretty, that's the problem with Hollywood right?

[00:30:12] You're really seeing an erect, well actually.

[00:30:14] He looks like a semi-flass.

[00:30:16] Ooh, that's a nice big dick.

[00:30:17] That's the thing, it feels like he was kind of batting it

[00:30:19] around a little bit so that it was at 15%.

[00:30:21] Oh I get it though, totally get it.

[00:30:22] I think he was trying, a partial sauce.

[00:30:24] I've heard this batted around on the internet

[00:30:26] that he knew that there were paps around,

[00:30:28] taking pictures of his lady, Katie Perry.

[00:30:30] His career is not at its peak right now,

[00:30:31] he's getting some press.

[00:30:33] Yeah he doesn't have any, what does he even do?

[00:30:35] Is he in movies?

[00:30:36] He rubs his dick in the middle.

[00:30:38] I've seen this theory around that he was like,

[00:30:40] you know what I'm gonna do?

[00:30:41] I'm just gonna whip it out.

[00:30:43] And then they'll leave her alone

[00:30:45] and they'll just be taking pictures of me.

[00:30:46] Oh that's interesting.

[00:30:47] Now that might be.

[00:30:49] I'll get some nice publicity.

[00:30:50] Well that's the other thing,

[00:30:52] he might be thinking like you know what?

[00:30:55] I got a nice looking dick.

[00:30:56] Yeah that's the thing,

[00:30:57] it's pretty inarguable at this point.

[00:30:59] It is a very nice looking dick.

[00:31:01] Anyway so.

[00:31:02] We're talking size, we're talking form,

[00:31:03] we're talking angles.

[00:31:04] The reason we're-

[00:31:05] Is he manscaping?

[00:31:06] Yeah no it's pretty trim.

[00:31:07] It's pretty trim.

[00:31:08] So now the thing is we already have recorded

[00:31:10] the Elizabeth Town episode as we previously mentioned.

[00:31:13] It's coming right in between Denim Invasion and Elizabeth Town.

[00:31:14] Here we go, here we go.

[00:31:15] So it's coming in between the two

[00:31:16] Orlando Bloom Cameron Croger.

[00:31:18] There we go.

[00:31:19] It's okay, Ben is currently looking at the penis.

[00:31:19] There's one.

[00:31:20] And he's nodding, he's nodding solemnly.

[00:31:22] He's got a sly smirk coming across his face.

[00:31:25] But he looks-

[00:31:25] We've got two images out of many.

[00:31:26] Okay shaking his head

[00:31:27] but it looks like he respects the dick.

[00:31:29] I'm gonna say the coloring of it is surprising.

[00:31:32] Well no if you see now you come see the thing.

[00:31:34] It's just his shadow is making it look darker

[00:31:37] than it is.

[00:31:38] If you see it's actually just a regular.

[00:31:40] That's a good looking dick.

[00:31:41] White mans dick.

[00:31:42] I'm not gonna lie.

[00:31:43] We should mention it is a white mans dick

[00:31:44] because we didn't know much like we didn't know

[00:31:46] whether or not his penis was a black box until now.

[00:31:48] We didn't know if his dick was Japanese.

[00:31:51] Who knows?

[00:31:51] If it was Haitian but he does in fact

[00:31:52] have a Caucasian dick.

[00:31:53] He also has a very lame looking circular sort of

[00:31:57] sort of tattoo on right above

[00:32:00] like sort of right next to his treasure trail there.

[00:32:02] Yeah not doing his dick any favors.

[00:32:04] No, no.

[00:32:05] You want clean lions leading to the dick.

[00:32:08] Also-

[00:32:09] Do you know what I'm saying?

[00:32:09] Yeah it's weird.

[00:32:11] You want clean lions drawing your attention

[00:32:13] your eyes to the dick.

[00:32:14] So anyway I think that's enough

[00:32:16] but I think that was a good little digression

[00:32:19] on Orlando Bloom's penis.

[00:32:21] It has nothing to do with Suicide Squad.

[00:32:24] The penis report.

[00:32:25] It's an interesting question

[00:32:26] because you know obviously like people get very worked up

[00:32:29] about like stolen pictures of celebrities

[00:32:31] and you know I don't know it's a weird line

[00:32:33] like can we all just like go have fun looking at his dick?

[00:32:36] I think we can.

[00:32:37] I think the weirder thing,

[00:32:38] this manipulation where celebrities and their publicists

[00:32:42] are like making up stuff.

[00:32:44] Yeah.

[00:32:45] So that then gossip places pick it up and

[00:32:48] like if that is something that he did like purposely

[00:32:52] I mean I'm sure you guys are joking

[00:32:54] but like even they throw around-

[00:32:56] Really it could?

[00:32:57] No I think-

[00:32:57] I'm not really joking.

[00:32:58] I think it's entirely within the wrong possibility.

[00:33:00] Like the Taylor Swift Kim Kardashian thing

[00:33:02] is just a farce

[00:33:04] and like it's just for like press and publicity.

[00:33:07] One element it's a farce.

[00:33:08] Either like she was lying before for publicity

[00:33:11] or this feud now is for publicity

[00:33:14] and the amount of you know I'm not gonna say anything on Mike

[00:33:17] but the amount of couples that I have you know

[00:33:19] as someone on the very, very far out peripheries

[00:33:22] of like the entertainment industry

[00:33:24] the amount of relationships I've had confirmed to me

[00:33:28] were just publicity stuff.

[00:33:29] Just made up.

[00:33:30] Yeah just like very like you know well covered-

[00:33:33] Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson?

[00:33:34] Yes.

[00:33:34] That's crazy.

[00:33:35] Yeah.

[00:33:36] Reagan? Nancy Reagan?

[00:33:39] They just did it for the headlines.

[00:33:40] All these bullshit Hollywood relationships you know?

[00:33:45] Yes.

[00:33:47] Good looking dick though.

[00:33:48] Nice dick.

[00:33:49] Good looking dick.

[00:33:49] Alright suicide squad so the film begins

[00:33:51] with Amanda Waller.

[00:33:54] No it doesn't.

[00:33:54] The film begins with dead shot in prison.

[00:33:57] This is important because they

[00:33:58] introduce dead shot three times in a row.

[00:34:00] They introduce dead shot like eight times

[00:34:02] and they give him a flashback near the beginning

[00:34:05] and they give him another one like in the middle

[00:34:07] of the movie.

[00:34:08] Okay this is what I'm getting to okay?

[00:34:10] So the very opening of the film is dead shot

[00:34:12] in a prison cell.

[00:34:13] Yeah punching bag.

[00:34:14] Right and I believe he's talking to Ike Barenholtz.

[00:34:18] Yeah yeah yeah.

[00:34:19] The great by Ike Barenholtz who I think

[00:34:20] is actually good in this movie.

[00:34:22] He's fine, he's fine.

[00:34:22] He gives some personality which a lot

[00:34:24] of the other actors you know are not able

[00:34:26] to do within the confines of this film.

[00:34:27] Yeah he gives some personality

[00:34:28] and then his character literally disappears.

[00:34:31] Disappears.

[00:34:31] After being ominously threatened-

[00:34:32] After being told like you're in trouble.

[00:34:34] What's it like?

[00:34:35] I know, I know I'm like oh there's gonna be

[00:34:36] some like Joker torture scene with Ike Barenholtz.

[00:34:39] No.

[00:34:40] Well you have the scene where he's rubbing his head

[00:34:42] and then they just cut out of there.

[00:34:43] Yeah yeah no.

[00:34:44] Yeah.

[00:34:44] It doesn't happen.

[00:34:45] Nothing happened.

[00:34:46] Okay Ike Barenholtz and him are talking

[00:34:48] and Will Smith is like well I swear to God

[00:34:50] when I get out of there I'm gonna like

[00:34:51] fucking shoot you and he's like prove it.

[00:34:53] It's like an intimidation scene.

[00:34:55] He's trying to get him to freak out

[00:34:56] and then they show him being pulled

[00:34:57] out of the jail cell and like beaten

[00:34:58] by the guys right?

[00:35:00] Right.

[00:35:00] Then we cut to and what song is playing?

[00:35:02] I don't remember all these fucking music use

[00:35:04] but it's every new character introduction

[00:35:08] comes with like a obnoxious needle drop.

[00:35:11] You know, I mean this is probably-

[00:35:13] So I rarely take notes during movies.

[00:35:16] Oh you took some note.

[00:35:17] I have one thing I want to keep a tally

[00:35:19] of the number of pop songs used in the film.

[00:35:21] There's so many.

[00:35:22] There are 18 used in the film.

[00:35:26] And like let's not even talking about

[00:35:28] the soundtrack for the film which includes

[00:35:30] the cover of Bohemian Rhapsody by Panic at the Disco.

[00:35:34] Are you kidding me?

[00:35:35] I am not kidding you.

[00:35:37] I am not kidding you.

[00:35:38] There are 18 like needle drops in this movie.

[00:35:41] Yeah, like the budget for music rights.

[00:35:43] Cause they're all big songs.

[00:35:45] Yeah, no.

[00:35:45] Of those 18 drops-

[00:35:47] Every single one of them is the song Happy Birthday.

[00:35:49] No, go ahead.

[00:35:51] Of those 18 drops, 10 of them

[00:35:54] are in the first 30 minutes of the movie

[00:35:57] which means you're essentially getting

[00:35:58] a song every three minutes.

[00:35:59] Like one song will play out in its entirety.

[00:36:01] And you're cut off.

[00:36:02] No, no some of them cut off like

[00:36:03] and it's like Harley Quinn.

[00:36:05] They start another song.

[00:36:06] You don't own me.

[00:36:07] That's the second scene we get is Harley Quinn

[00:36:09] in the cell and they're talking to her

[00:36:10] and they're like man you're pretty

[00:36:11] but you're all kinds of fucking crazy inside.

[00:36:14] Right, we get it.

[00:36:15] Right.

[00:36:16] Okay then we cut to Amanda Waller.

[00:36:18] And what feels like it was supposed

[00:36:19] to be the beginning of the movie?

[00:36:22] Maybe, I don't know.

[00:36:24] Or maybe it's gonna be 25 minutes in and one cut.

[00:36:26] Like I don't know.

[00:36:27] My read is they put the Harley Quinn

[00:36:29] and dead shot scenes in before the Amanda Waller stuff

[00:36:33] because they were like the audience is here

[00:36:34] to see Will Smith and Harley Quinn.

[00:36:36] The movie definitely buys into those two characters

[00:36:39] as the stars of the movie.

[00:36:41] Let's give it to them as quickly as possible.

[00:36:42] I would say like the movie had a dollar, right?

[00:36:45] And it spent 45 cents on each of them.

[00:36:48] Tosses like five cents to Viola Davis

[00:36:49] like a couple cents to Rick Flag.

[00:36:51] And then it tries to split the last cent

[00:36:54] between all the other characters.

[00:36:56] It's like, oh we've only got one cent left.

[00:36:57] Like, ah, let's smash it into pieces.

[00:36:59] You posted online that the movie reminds you

[00:37:01] of Mulaney's joke about the birthday sign.

[00:37:03] Which we referenced before in this podcast

[00:37:05] because it's such a good metaphor.

[00:37:05] It's such a good joke.

[00:37:06] Of trying to write a happy birthday sign

[00:37:08] and being a big ass H.

[00:37:10] A big ass A.

[00:37:12] Oh no.

[00:37:14] And then you do the P where one P is under the first P.

[00:37:17] And then you're like,

[00:37:18] you go to the second line and you're like,

[00:37:20] God don't worry man, it'll be fine.

[00:37:21] I haven't learned anything on big ass B.

[00:37:25] Such a good joke.

[00:37:29] That joke is better than Suicide Squad.

[00:37:31] No question.

[00:37:32] I would watch that joke end to end.

[00:37:34] Like, stretched out to the Suicide Squad length

[00:37:37] more than I'd like to watch Suicide Squad again.

[00:37:40] So the first three minutes of this film

[00:37:41] just feel like a montage.

[00:37:42] They feel like a trailer.

[00:37:44] Yeah.

[00:37:45] It's just jumping from one thing to another.

[00:37:46] A lot of quick cut assemblages of different things.

[00:37:48] It's this Lady Amanda Waller played by Viola Davis.

[00:37:50] In the film's best performance.

[00:37:52] I guess so.

[00:37:54] I wouldn't say so.

[00:37:55] I said to Ben the second movie ended,

[00:37:56] I think she's actually good in this movie.

[00:37:58] I don't agree.

[00:37:59] But I think she's actually good in this film.

[00:38:01] Ben also was surprised that I was that effusive.

[00:38:04] I would say Will Smith is easily

[00:38:06] the best performance in the film.

[00:38:07] He's just such a movie star.

[00:38:08] I just think, yeah man.

[00:38:10] I think he's kind of on autopilot

[00:38:13] and I don't say that in a negative way

[00:38:15] because it's just like he so naturally can do these things.

[00:38:18] Not that he's not trying,

[00:38:19] but that it's like it's safe zones for him.

[00:38:22] I thought Harley Quinn,

[00:38:24] I don't know the actresses name.

[00:38:25] Margot Robbie.

[00:38:26] Margot Robbie.

[00:38:27] I thought she was great.

[00:38:28] I thought she was okay.

[00:38:30] I was fairly disappointed by her performance

[00:38:31] because I'm a big fan of hers.

[00:38:33] I like her.

[00:38:34] Of course she and Will Smith were together

[00:38:36] in the film Focus.

[00:38:37] Which she's excellent at.

[00:38:38] Yeah, which is a fun little romp.

[00:38:39] Yeah it's like a movie that's really elevated

[00:38:41] by two insane mega watt movie star performances.

[00:38:44] It's an okay film.

[00:38:45] In an okay little caper.

[00:38:47] It's like an okay little caper

[00:38:48] but you have two movie stars.

[00:38:49] You have one guy who we've known

[00:38:50] as a movie star for 20 years

[00:38:52] and a new exciting player on the scene

[00:38:54] holding her own against Will Smith.

[00:38:57] And also maybe the only major Hollywood film

[00:39:00] to have an interracial romance that isn't the plot point

[00:39:03] and that is that sexualized.

[00:39:04] What about bringing down the house?

[00:39:06] Just joking.

[00:39:07] I just wanted to bring up that movie again.

[00:39:09] I wanted to bring down that movie again.

[00:39:11] Yeah, bring it down.

[00:39:12] You brought down this house in shame.

[00:39:16] This is a very, as Will Smith called it

[00:39:19] on the red carpet, a rainbow cast in Suicide Squad.

[00:39:23] In which everyone plays into the worst stereotypes possible.

[00:39:25] Yes indeed.

[00:39:27] Yep.

[00:39:28] But anyway.

[00:39:29] Oh no but I was just gonna say

[00:39:30] I went into this film thinking

[00:39:32] I don't think I'm going to like it

[00:39:33] but I can't see Margot Robbie not working as Harley Quinn.

[00:39:37] She's a great movie star.

[00:39:39] It's really smart casting.

[00:39:41] There's a lot of excitement about that character.

[00:39:42] They clearly put a lot of attention into it

[00:39:44] and I put a little bit of the blame on her.

[00:39:47] Not blame but I was a little

[00:39:48] under one wide performance.

[00:39:49] A lot of it is I just think

[00:39:50] this movie mishandles the character so greatly.

[00:39:52] Yeah.

[00:39:53] And not just in terms of like fidelity

[00:39:54] to the source material but in terms of functioning

[00:39:56] as a character on its own in this movie.

[00:39:58] Yeah, that's all totally fair.

[00:40:00] I think she's fine.

[00:40:01] She's got some presence.

[00:40:02] Yeah.

[00:40:03] Will Smith's an amazing movie star.

[00:40:05] Vyla Davis I think actually does a good job.

[00:40:07] I don't agree.

[00:40:08] I think Vyla Davis is folding her arms.

[00:40:11] You know, she's fine.

[00:40:12] Oh boy can she fold them now.

[00:40:13] She folds her arms great.

[00:40:14] She's one of the best folds in a bit.

[00:40:14] I would say she's given roughly 20 to 30

[00:40:18] better performances.

[00:40:19] I agree but that's, I think more testament

[00:40:21] to how many good performances she's given.

[00:40:23] I think this is on the low end of her.

[00:40:26] I think she can make really great stuff

[00:40:28] out of bad material such as the film Doubt.

[00:40:31] She's very good then.

[00:40:33] Such as the film The Help.

[00:40:34] Yes, sure.

[00:40:36] Great.

[00:40:37] Great.

[00:40:37] Poop Pie the movie.

[00:40:38] Right.

[00:40:39] But a.

[00:40:40] Poop Pie the picture.

[00:40:41] I would say in this she is very like flinty

[00:40:44] and hard edged and folds her arms.

[00:40:48] And then she does more of that

[00:40:50] and then she's in another scene

[00:40:51] and her arms are folded and she's real mean.

[00:40:53] And then she pops back in for a new scene

[00:40:55] where her arms are folded

[00:40:56] and then she shoots 80 people or whatever for one second.

[00:40:59] Yeah, well let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[00:41:00] So let's go ahead and get ahead of ourselves.

[00:41:01] There's like 20 minutes of the film, 15 minutes or so.

[00:41:04] That's like Vyla Davis at dinner

[00:41:06] eating the shit out of some steak.

[00:41:08] Very nice looking delicious steak.

[00:41:10] In a restaurant that I'm gonna assume she owns.

[00:41:14] I like the idea of her character

[00:41:15] on the side owning a fancy restaurant.

[00:41:17] Because no one else is in the restaurant.

[00:41:18] No one else is in it.

[00:41:19] There are like three scenes in this restaurant.

[00:41:20] The end credit scene happens the same restaurant, right?

[00:41:22] Yeah.

[00:41:23] She's really like ciphering that steak so to speak.

[00:41:27] And she's Joey Pansing that steak.

[00:41:29] It's a handsome steak.

[00:41:29] It's a handsome steak.

[00:41:30] Much like cipher steak.

[00:41:31] Very well photographed, looks delicious.

[00:41:33] She eats it well.

[00:41:33] Maybe most of my compliments for the film.

[00:41:36] Yes.

[00:41:37] Her performance might be the steak eating

[00:41:39] is really exemplary

[00:41:40] and I haven't seen such good staking

[00:41:41] since our boy Joey Pans.

[00:41:42] He put a pair of pants on it.

[00:41:43] No kidding, me too.

[00:41:49] It's always funny.

[00:41:50] Always funny.

[00:41:51] So it's now her sitting with David Harbour,

[00:41:54] the great David Harbour.

[00:41:56] Good actor?

[00:41:56] Wonderful character actor

[00:41:57] and another some men.

[00:42:00] Some military guys.

[00:42:01] They're government officials

[00:42:02] and her opening line is like the world's changed

[00:42:05] and Superman's gone

[00:42:06] and you see a dude selling dead Superman t-shirts

[00:42:09] outside and it's like,

[00:42:10] okay this movie's really in the wake of the last film.

[00:42:12] When Superman died.

[00:42:13] It takes place weeks after the end

[00:42:15] of Batman vs Superman.

[00:42:16] And you all remember

[00:42:17] at the end of Batman vs Superman

[00:42:18] when Superman died and it hit us so hard emotionally

[00:42:21] because we all believe

[00:42:22] that Superman is actually truly dead.

[00:42:24] Even though Henry Cavill is announced

[00:42:26] in the cast of the Justice League movie.

[00:42:28] Yeah, because they're not gonna make a fucking Justice League

[00:42:29] when we're not Superman!

[00:42:30] Wait, Superman isn't dead?

[00:42:32] What the fuck?

[00:42:34] You were so moved when he died.

[00:42:36] When he died did the rumble seats

[00:42:39] like did they like make you cry in somewhere?

[00:42:41] Did they like cut onions for you?

[00:42:42] They stabbed you in the heart.

[00:42:43] Why didn't you...

[00:42:45] They should do some onion chopping.

[00:42:47] You guys should have seen this in the rumble.

[00:42:49] Retzler is called right, 40 years.

[00:42:50] You're right. We should have seen it in the rumble.

[00:42:51] We should have seen this in the rumble.

[00:42:52] It would have been the constant smell of gasoline

[00:42:54] or whatever.

[00:42:55] Or shit!

[00:42:56] Like just fucking diarrhea piped into the theater.

[00:43:00] This movie feels like being in a room filled with diarrhea.

[00:43:03] Really?

[00:43:03] So she's...

[00:43:04] No, gunpowder.

[00:43:05] That would have been perfect for a movie theater.

[00:43:07] Or like fucking used condoms

[00:43:09] because the Suicide Squad's so wicked.

[00:43:11] Yeah, or dead pigs.

[00:43:12] Yeah.

[00:43:13] Okay, so Amanda Waller is in this fucking restaurant

[00:43:17] and she's like the thing...

[00:43:18] I just have to point this out

[00:43:19] because this drives me insane.

[00:43:21] Point it out.

[00:43:22] She goes like, you know,

[00:43:25] Superman's gone, we don't have someone to fight for us.

[00:43:27] We're lucky now that we live in a world with meta humans

[00:43:30] the first big guy we got Superman

[00:43:32] happened to align with our politics.

[00:43:34] But what if the next guy doesn't?

[00:43:35] And she's essentially saying we need to create a backup...

[00:43:38] A deterrent.

[00:43:39] Right.

[00:43:39] Something that is capable of combating someone

[00:43:43] as powerful Superman if they decide to fight against us.

[00:43:45] Right.

[00:43:46] Excuse me, the last two movies were about

[00:43:48] how much the government hated Superman.

[00:43:50] Right.

[00:43:50] But then he sacrificed himself to stop the poop monster.

[00:43:53] But she says like we're lucky

[00:43:55] that his politics aligned with ours.

[00:43:56] The first movie ends with him taking a satellite out of the sky

[00:44:00] and being like I don't fucking work for you.

[00:44:01] Right.

[00:44:02] I'll do what I want to do, fuck you.

[00:44:04] And the second movie is people like vandalizing a statue.

[00:44:07] Yeah, no.

[00:44:08] I mean it's true that I think in retrospect she's like you know what?

[00:44:13] Well, that's the thing.

[00:44:14] She should be like you know what?

[00:44:15] We didn't handle Superman the best.

[00:44:16] That's exactly what she should say.

[00:44:18] In retrospect he was a good guy.

[00:44:20] Next time you know how?

[00:44:22] There's this prison.

[00:44:25] And it's full of jerks.

[00:44:26] Put it in a hole and I threw away the hole,

[00:44:27] which is the dumbest line of dialogue I have ever heard.

[00:44:32] There's so many lines like that

[00:44:33] that I threw away the hole.

[00:44:34] That's like the whole movie is those lines.

[00:44:36] Put him in a hole and I threw away the hole.

[00:44:38] Um, so she's like...

[00:44:40] Who is she fucking to Jeremy the nowhere man from Yellow Submarine?

[00:44:45] Yeah.

[00:44:46] Able to pick up holes and put him in his pocket?

[00:44:48] Maybe she is.

[00:44:49] Is it fucking outcast Blue Mani?

[00:44:51] Was this Road Runner and Wiley Coyote?

[00:44:54] Thank you Benjamin.

[00:44:55] You are welcome.

[00:44:56] Four trillion comedy points.

[00:45:00] So here's my problem.

[00:45:02] She's like yeah well what if the next guy?

[00:45:04] We need to be able to deal with him.

[00:45:05] For example, what if he's vulnerable to boomerangs?

[00:45:08] I got just the guy, Captain Boomerang.

[00:45:10] What if he is in a swamp in Louisiana?

[00:45:14] Killer Crocs on the gate.

[00:45:15] She comes up with the worst list of super villains

[00:45:19] that you could get to combat.

[00:45:20] Well yeah.

[00:45:21] An alien with like omnibrid empowers.

[00:45:23] And the way the scene's constructed is

[00:45:25] for like 10, 15 minutes we're just watching her

[00:45:27] in this restaurant dropping files in front of these people

[00:45:30] and then you cut to a little...

[00:45:31] A big flashy sort of like...

[00:45:33] We get the title card and we get the facts.

[00:45:34] The commercial for a hero.

[00:45:36] It's like a trading card.

[00:45:37] You get a trading card with their stats

[00:45:38] and then you get a little glimpse of what they do.

[00:45:39] It should have been a PowerPoint presentation.

[00:45:41] It should have been a PowerPoint presentation.

[00:45:42] That's what those videos were.

[00:45:43] Show Don't Tell.

[00:45:45] Ben, you like old fashioned technology though

[00:45:48] and this, you know a lot of folders, paper?

[00:45:51] I mean I do, I'm an analog guy.

[00:45:53] I was gonna say.

[00:45:54] Which is why he is the manager

[00:45:55] of a digital podcasting network.

[00:45:59] Where one of the podcasts

[00:46:00] is literally called UCB Digital.

[00:46:03] I would have loved to see her flick on a projector.

[00:46:06] Yeah, an overhead projector.

[00:46:08] Ooh, yeah.

[00:46:09] That kind of sound.

[00:46:09] Slides, yeah.

[00:46:11] She'd be like, killer croc.

[00:46:13] He's a croc.

[00:46:14] So but this is the thing.

[00:46:15] She's like, let me explain all these guys to you.

[00:46:18] Deadshot and then we get this long, you know...

[00:46:20] The second introduction to Deadshot now.

[00:46:22] Where it's like, oh you know,

[00:46:23] the greatest assassin who ever lived.

[00:46:25] Oh he kills only for money.

[00:46:27] You better pay him.

[00:46:27] He's got a daughter though.

[00:46:29] She's nice.

[00:46:29] She knows his bad.

[00:46:30] That comes in the third introduction.

[00:46:32] No, you see her in both the second and third introductions.

[00:46:36] Oh does she call him on the phone?

[00:46:37] Yeah, okay.

[00:46:38] But anyway, I mean we don't have to do everything.

[00:46:39] But then Harley Quinn,

[00:46:41] oh well the deal with Harley Quinn of course is

[00:46:43] that she was made crazy by the Joker.

[00:46:45] Here's the Joker.

[00:46:45] You know, we get this very long sequence

[00:46:48] for each of them.

[00:46:49] And then she's like, Captain Boomerang has a Boomerang.

[00:46:52] Anyway...

[00:46:52] The first time we've ever seen Flash in costume

[00:46:55] in a movie is one second

[00:46:57] and a Captain Boomerang cut away.

[00:46:58] He has a Boomerang and then the Flash caught him

[00:47:00] and there's the Flash catching him.

[00:47:01] He's a drunk Australian, he's crazy.

[00:47:03] And then you've got Killer Croc.

[00:47:06] Well, you know, he's a guy who turned into a crocodile

[00:47:09] and we're like, he did?

[00:47:10] His power is essentially that he looks gross.

[00:47:13] Like he's a garbage pail kid.

[00:47:15] He doesn't seem to necessarily be stronger.

[00:47:17] Yeah, he's not even as big as I thought

[00:47:19] he was gonna be.

[00:47:19] He's played by a very big actor

[00:47:21] and Adoelli, I can't even...

[00:47:22] But you know what I think part of the effect is there?

[00:47:24] He's a very tall man.

[00:47:26] I think the makeup they put on

[00:47:27] and broadens him so much

[00:47:29] that makes him look shorter and squatter.

[00:47:31] He doesn't look as tall, yeah.

[00:47:33] Then there's El Diablo.

[00:47:34] What's El Diablo's deal?

[00:47:36] He has fire, makes fire.

[00:47:37] Anyway, and then there's Enchantress

[00:47:39] and we're like, who the fuck's Enchantress?

[00:47:41] Well, this lady who found an Aztec God

[00:47:44] in a bottle in an excavation

[00:47:45] and the Aztec God took her over

[00:47:47] and you're like, why didn't we hear

[00:47:49] about the Aztec Goddess first?

[00:47:51] That's a cool fucking story too.

[00:47:53] She seems really like all you need.

[00:47:55] I don't know if you need the Boomerang guy.

[00:47:56] He seems like a sea list, you know?

[00:47:58] Like just, just let's work all our efforts

[00:48:01] on Aztec Goddess.

[00:48:01] He has two Boomerangs.

[00:48:04] One is a regular Boomerang.

[00:48:06] And one has like a camera on it.

[00:48:08] So he can look at things.

[00:48:09] And he's basically just like dead shot.

[00:48:11] He's just really good with the Boomerang.

[00:48:13] And also, and I'm gonna borrow this joke

[00:48:15] because I was just listening to Fighting in the War Room,

[00:48:17] another fun podcast.

[00:48:18] Matt Patches said that his power

[00:48:20] is that he can just produce a beer.

[00:48:25] He could just like pop a beer out of nowhere

[00:48:26] for some reason.

[00:48:28] He's just like, oh, I've got a beer,

[00:48:29] I'm gonna get it done, I might.

[00:48:31] Enchantress is a witch who looks like Pig Pan, right?

[00:48:34] Yeah, she's got this sort of ascension cloud of dirt

[00:48:37] that just sort of hovers around her.

[00:48:39] She's a DC character who I'm in my knowledge

[00:48:43] of her wears clothes.

[00:48:45] Correct.

[00:48:46] But this time she's not doing that.

[00:48:47] No, not at all.

[00:48:48] She's got a little bikini.

[00:48:49] Almost a neo Orlando bloom performance here.

[00:48:53] She's blooming it.

[00:48:54] She basically has black boxes floating in front of her.

[00:48:56] Can I tell you just very quickly

[00:48:58] my thing about the Orlando bloom penis?

[00:49:00] I know we got off the subject.

[00:49:03] The dick is great, I'm happy that I've seen it now.

[00:49:07] But like the fact that we got to see it,

[00:49:09] whether or not he constructed the event

[00:49:12] and wanted it to be released for press

[00:49:14] or to deter people away from her or whatever it was.

[00:49:17] I get you.

[00:49:18] I wish it had been in a movie instead.

[00:49:20] And when I'm looking at his penis,

[00:49:21] which I'm now doing on an hourly basis,

[00:49:23] I gotta check in again and see if I still like it.

[00:49:25] What's the background on your phone?

[00:49:27] The first thought that comes into my head is not like this.

[00:49:32] That's an extreme callback guys.

[00:49:34] Not like this.

[00:49:35] Not like this.

[00:49:36] Apoch lights.

[00:49:38] Hey and let us know what dicks you wanna see

[00:49:41] on the big screen guys.

[00:49:42] Hashtag, I wanna see that dick.

[00:49:47] I was gonna say.

[00:49:48] Enchant...

[00:49:49] No, no.

[00:49:50] I was gonna say hashtag dickflixpicks.

[00:49:52] Which dicks do you wanna see in flicks?

[00:49:54] Make your picks.

[00:49:56] Pick flick dicks.

[00:49:58] Flick sticks.

[00:49:58] That's great.

[00:49:59] Netflix, net dicks, picks, tricks.

[00:50:02] So all of that in a hashtag.

[00:50:04] Yeah, so.

[00:50:05] That full sentence.

[00:50:05] Okay, so we get that set up.

[00:50:07] It is a little haphazard.

[00:50:09] But yes, Enchantress is the only one you need.

[00:50:11] Enchantress seems a little more powerful

[00:50:13] than the rest of them.

[00:50:14] Enchantress is a 21 year old doctor.

[00:50:16] Right?

[00:50:17] Who likes to go spelunking.

[00:50:18] Play by Cara Delevingne.

[00:50:20] How do you get Delevingne?

[00:50:20] Yeah, Cara Delevingne.

[00:50:21] Who likes to go spelunking

[00:50:22] and then every once in a while,

[00:50:24] Viola Davis has her heart.

[00:50:26] No, this is the thing.

[00:50:27] Right.

[00:50:28] Okay, so in those cute little flash cards.

[00:50:31] Yeah.

[00:50:32] It says like has an ancient brother called Incubus

[00:50:35] who is a thousand million years old

[00:50:36] and wants to kill everyone.

[00:50:38] And I remember like glimpsing this and being like,

[00:50:41] oh that seems like a problem.

[00:50:42] That's a lot of information.

[00:50:43] So they ask her right, how do you control that?

[00:50:45] And she's like, oh I got a heart.

[00:50:47] Right here.

[00:50:48] Got a heart in a suitcase.

[00:50:48] A suitcase.

[00:50:49] Poke it when I want to.

[00:50:50] Yeah, really efficient measure of control.

[00:50:52] She like pokes it with a chopstick practically.

[00:50:54] Yeah.

[00:50:55] And then they're like, that's all you do to controller?

[00:50:57] And she's like, no I did another thing.

[00:50:59] I teamed her up with a guy to be her security detail

[00:51:01] who I knew would fall in love with her.

[00:51:04] That's like a terrible idea.

[00:51:05] What is that controlling that's adding more chaos?

[00:51:09] And also Amanda, how can you know

[00:51:10] the mysteries of the human heart?

[00:51:11] I mean these things are so unpredictable.

[00:51:13] So she teamed Enchantress up with Rick Flagg.

[00:51:17] The most charismatic and exciting member

[00:51:19] of the Suicide Squad.

[00:51:21] A man with guns and a flat top haircut

[00:51:24] played by Joel Kineman, who's in the military.

[00:51:26] Is a man.

[00:51:27] Yeah.

[00:51:28] Yeah, Joel Kineman is a man.

[00:51:29] He's very good with weapons we're told.

[00:51:31] Because the team was really light on that, you know?

[00:51:34] Not enough weapons training in the team.

[00:51:36] We got that guy who's superpower is Bess of Guns.

[00:51:39] Yeah, shoot guns.

[00:51:40] And the dude whose power is.

[00:51:42] Boom rings.

[00:51:43] Shoot boom rings.

[00:51:45] And we got Harley Quinn who weaponizes her sexuality.

[00:51:48] And has a mallet?

[00:51:49] Yeah, she's got a mallet and a bat.

[00:51:51] She's got both.

[00:51:52] David, she's versatile.

[00:51:53] Yeah, wear something that's like below hot pants

[00:51:56] but above a thong?

[00:51:58] Kind of like a wedged short.

[00:52:01] I don't really know how to describe what she's wearing.

[00:52:03] I just kept on thinking, like watching the movie.

[00:52:05] I was like there definitely was some PA

[00:52:08] who had to in between every take.

[00:52:09] Like wedge it back up into her butt.

[00:52:11] Sorry, Margot.

[00:52:12] You know what I got to do.

[00:52:12] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:52:13] And then they just have to pull, like give her a wedgie.

[00:52:16] Yeah, no, no for sure.

[00:52:17] No question.

[00:52:18] I think our friend Chase Mitchell said that

[00:52:21] he tweeted something along the lines of

[00:52:23] the Hispanic character in this film.

[00:52:25] Oh, Diablo.

[00:52:27] Is a gang banger.

[00:52:28] Correct.

[00:52:29] With tattoos all over his face.

[00:52:30] And the Japanese character in this film, Katana,

[00:52:32] who we'll talk about in a second, is a samurai.

[00:52:35] And if there was a Canadian character in this film

[00:52:37] he would be a bottle of maple syrup.

[00:52:41] Can I add on to that?

[00:52:42] That's a really fucking good joke.

[00:52:43] It's a great joke.

[00:52:44] Well, he's very good at writing jokes, Chase Mitchell.

[00:52:46] Can I add on to that,

[00:52:47] that the Native American character in this film, Slipknot,

[00:52:51] is also killed immediately and his death

[00:52:53] is immediately forgotten?

[00:52:55] So this is, I knew-

[00:52:57] Much like we did.

[00:52:59] True.

[00:53:00] Maybe that's the point.

[00:53:01] No, probably not.

[00:53:02] I knew that Adam Beach was in the film

[00:53:04] because I'd seen him on the posters.

[00:53:05] It's on the posters.

[00:53:06] And then when Amanda makes this presentation,

[00:53:10] oh and by the way, she makes her formal presentation

[00:53:12] at the Pentagon and we get a very useful title card

[00:53:16] saying the Pentagon, Washington DC,

[00:53:19] when the Pentagon comes on screen.

[00:53:21] I don't know if there's another title card in the movie.

[00:53:23] I just, that really made me laugh.

[00:53:25] There are a couple,

[00:53:26] because there was one that said-

[00:53:26] There's Midway City.

[00:53:27] Yeah, no and there's one that said

[00:53:29] Crescer Laboratories, a division of Wayne Enterprises.

[00:53:33] Oh yeah, that's right.

[00:53:34] Which is just like they just wanna make it look like,

[00:53:35] see we not a connect stuff?

[00:53:37] Interconnected.

[00:53:38] Anyway, but she makes the formal presentation.

[00:53:40] But David, that title card was helpful

[00:53:42] because I mean it looked like Washington DC

[00:53:44] but there are so many buildings with five sides on them.

[00:53:48] So many colossal, five sided, like perfect shapes.

[00:53:51] Polygon buildings?

[00:53:52] Yeah.

[00:53:53] Anyway, she makes the presentation,

[00:53:54] mentions all the characters we just mentioned.

[00:53:56] Again.

[00:53:57] And then Adam Beach's head is among the head.

[00:54:00] She does not mention it.

[00:54:01] It doesn't mention him.

[00:54:02] They're definitely with shit cut out.

[00:54:03] No, of course.

[00:54:04] And then he shows up later

[00:54:06] and Ric Flag basically off screen is like,

[00:54:08] this is slipping on his power

[00:54:09] as he can climb anything.

[00:54:11] Now they said his ropes

[00:54:13] can help him get away from any situation.

[00:54:15] And you're like, what?

[00:54:17] And then he's like, then immediately something happens.

[00:54:19] He's like, I'm out of here.

[00:54:21] Like tries to climb away.

[00:54:22] And then they blow up a little bomb in his neck

[00:54:24] and he's dead.

[00:54:25] Yeah, so they, in the comics,

[00:54:26] his whole thing is that he's like created a better rope

[00:54:29] that's like indestructible

[00:54:31] and he can use it to like climb out of situations.

[00:54:33] Good rope.

[00:54:33] In this movie, his ability is pretty much

[00:54:36] that he's got rope guns.

[00:54:38] He's got a rope gun.

[00:54:39] Not even like a grappling gun,

[00:54:41] but he's just got like a gun that shoots rope

[00:54:42] and he ropes from one place to another.

[00:54:44] He ropes from exactly one place to one other place

[00:54:47] before his death.

[00:54:48] And that second place is his death.

[00:54:48] He ropes to his death.

[00:54:51] Slipknot!

[00:54:52] So they're controlling Enchantress

[00:54:54] by poking her heart with chopsticks.

[00:54:56] Everybody else is controlled

[00:54:57] by having a little thingy in their necks

[00:55:00] that could blow up if they disobey.

[00:55:01] They get the gang together.

[00:55:02] It's controlled by an app.

[00:55:03] Yes.

[00:55:04] Which seems, you know,

[00:55:06] a little too easy to counter-vein, I don't know.

[00:55:09] Every character has an on the nose

[00:55:11] pop song played during their flashback introduction

[00:55:13] and also a different on the nose pop song

[00:55:15] played during the recruitment of like Ric Flagg

[00:55:18] meeting everyone one by one.

[00:55:20] And Ric Fragg, oh, he doesn't like these weirdos.

[00:55:22] He doesn't like the job he's been given,

[00:55:24] even though he's in love with an Aztec witch.

[00:55:26] Yeah.

[00:55:27] Like he's like, ah, these fucking freaks.

[00:55:29] Anyway, back to this ancient goddess of death

[00:55:32] who I share a bed with.

[00:55:34] Yeah, right.

[00:55:35] Her name is June Moon.

[00:55:36] Yeah, Dr. June Moon to you.

[00:55:39] The lady that Enchantress is inhabiting.

[00:55:42] So anyway, the film is about them

[00:55:46] trying to be ready to deal with a problem, right?

[00:55:49] After they get the team together,

[00:55:51] they kind of get them all out of prison.

[00:55:53] Immediately, they cause a city destroying problem.

[00:55:56] Correct.

[00:55:57] Because her method of controlling Enchantress, poking heart,

[00:56:01] that goes wrong right away.

[00:56:02] What a surprise.

[00:56:04] Immediately, Enchantress, they send her on submission.

[00:56:06] She's like, actually I don't want to do that.

[00:56:07] I don't want to take over the world by leaves.

[00:56:09] Enchantress is never part of the team.

[00:56:11] She's doing solo missions before they assemble the team.

[00:56:14] And they're going like, once we assemble the team,

[00:56:15] she will be part of it.

[00:56:17] Right.

[00:56:18] And you also think they lock up all these people, right?

[00:56:20] But June Moon's allowed.

[00:56:22] They locked the gates.

[00:56:23] They did lock the gates.

[00:56:24] On all of our favorite characters in this picture.

[00:56:26] Right.

[00:56:27] Right.

[00:56:27] Yes.

[00:56:28] But they're letting June Moon walk around in the world

[00:56:31] and be like part of society.

[00:56:34] But if she, during a dream, happens to say Enchantress.

[00:56:39] She just got whispered, Enchantress.

[00:56:40] And then she loses all control.

[00:56:43] And that's how she gets her brother out.

[00:56:45] She doesn't like it though.

[00:56:46] June Moon doesn't like it.

[00:56:47] June Moon hates it.

[00:56:47] She complains.

[00:56:48] She's like, oh, do I have to become Enchantress again?

[00:56:50] And it would like them to be like, yeah.

[00:56:52] Like he wouldn't be around otherwise.

[00:56:55] Like it's only because of Enchantress.

[00:56:56] Also why?

[00:56:57] We don't need June Moon.

[00:56:58] Yeah.

[00:56:58] The rule at any time when you conjure something

[00:57:01] by saying it is you say it three times.

[00:57:04] Yeah.

[00:57:04] You should have to say it a few times.

[00:57:05] I wanted her to be like Enchantress.

[00:57:06] Enchantress.

[00:57:07] Enchantress.

[00:57:08] Yeah.

[00:57:09] That'd be good.

[00:57:09] She also would have made it better.

[00:57:11] Every time she says it, it's just kind of.

[00:57:12] They could have said something like it's morphin' time,

[00:57:14] you know, and then proceeded to do it.

[00:57:16] Right.

[00:57:17] Like the powering.

[00:57:19] Ooh, I would have liked that.

[00:57:20] Every time she says it, it feels kind of tossed off.

[00:57:22] They don't choose the tortured like, oh god,

[00:57:25] Enchantress or her like, Enchantress.

[00:57:27] It's like, it's kind of like being like, hey,

[00:57:29] could you get me something off that high shelf?

[00:57:31] And she's like, OK.

[00:57:32] Enchantress.

[00:57:34] What a dumb movie.

[00:57:39] So because Amanda Waller creates the problem.

[00:57:41] She immediately creates the problem.

[00:57:43] Not even, there's no time to even have one successful mission.

[00:57:47] This problem immediately.

[00:57:48] Put them through training as a team

[00:57:49] to get to know each other, do some truss falls,

[00:57:51] fucking anything.

[00:57:52] They meet on the job.

[00:57:54] They like bring them all to a camp.

[00:57:56] Scott Eastwood is introduced and not really introduced

[00:57:59] and just does nothing for the entire problem.

[00:58:00] Because I asked Richard, our past guest Richard Lawson,

[00:58:03] when we left the screen, I was like, oh, Scott Eastwood.

[00:58:05] Who is he?

[00:58:05] He's like the ninth build in this film.

[00:58:06] And he's like, oh, he's the guy who like,

[00:58:08] you know, died at the end of the military guy.

[00:58:10] And I was like, oh, that was a character.

[00:58:12] I didn't realize.

[00:58:12] So from what I've heard, he was originally cast

[00:58:15] to play Steve Trevor, who is Wonder Woman's boyfriend.

[00:58:19] OK.

[00:58:20] And the Wonder Woman film, which

[00:58:21] was being made after this as they were locking down

[00:58:23] the script and prepping on that, you know.

[00:58:25] That's in the past.

[00:58:25] Early stages.

[00:58:26] Well, that was the decision.

[00:58:27] So it was originally going to be set in the present.

[00:58:29] So now suddenly they couldn't use Steve Trevor

[00:58:31] because they've established him as being in the 30s or 40s.

[00:58:34] So now they were like, well, we've already signed a contract.

[00:58:38] Well, they gave him a really good name though.

[00:58:40] What's his name?

[00:58:41] Oh, you don't know his name?

[00:58:43] GQ Edwards?

[00:58:44] They never say it.

[00:58:45] And he has lines but all of them.

[00:58:47] You know how people are called GQ all the time?

[00:58:50] That's his name.

[00:58:51] Well, but to be fair, it's initials.

[00:58:53] His real name is Gentleman Quarterly.

[00:58:58] His name's Gentleman Quarterly Edwards.

[00:59:00] That's a normal name.

[00:59:02] He has a ton of screen time.

[00:59:04] And I watched this movie and I was like,

[00:59:05] he must have been on set every day for two months.

[00:59:07] Yeah, in fatigues he probably did all the nonsense,

[00:59:10] like basic training David Ayer probably made him do.

[00:59:12] And when I say that they introduce his character

[00:59:14] at this point.

[00:59:14] Jared Leto probably sent him like a bag of shit or.

[00:59:17] No question.

[00:59:18] Yeah.

[00:59:19] Jared Leto definitely fingered his butthole.

[00:59:23] Jared Leto like murdered his dog.

[00:59:26] He was like, ah, I'm the Joker.

[00:59:27] Yeah, sexually harassed his uncle, you know?

[00:59:31] When I say they introduced him at this point in the film,

[00:59:33] I mean literally at this point in the film

[00:59:35] he walks into the movie.

[00:59:36] But they never like say anything to him.

[00:59:39] He's just sort of a guy around and he's ninth billed.

[00:59:42] Is he really ninth billed?

[00:59:43] I think.

[00:59:44] OK, well he's up there.

[00:59:45] He's in the building.

[00:59:46] I know he gets his own card.

[00:59:47] He's billed above Katana, who's got a blood card.

[00:59:51] Yeah, well she is, it's her first movie,

[00:59:52] so that's probably why.

[00:59:53] But yeah.

[00:59:55] Also, I mean, she doesn't know.

[00:59:56] What's the deal with her sword?

[00:59:58] Oh, well so they all get together.

[01:00:01] So they bring them all to the base camp where you're like,

[01:00:03] now we're gonna get some crazy cool training montage.

[01:00:05] And then immediately there's like a face time

[01:00:07] on an iPad with Amanda Waller.

[01:00:09] And she's like, this is your first mission,

[01:00:11] you gotta retrieve someone, here's the location.

[01:00:14] I trust you.

[01:00:14] They get on the plane.

[01:00:15] That's a Samsung device.

[01:00:17] Oh, I'm sorry, it's a Samsung device.

[01:00:19] They get on a plane and then Rick Flagg's like,

[01:00:23] by the way, this is Katana.

[01:00:25] She like hops on the plane at the last second.

[01:00:26] She's my bodyguard, she's not a criminal.

[01:00:28] I know I say hey, we are supernatural freaks,

[01:00:31] but she's with me.

[01:00:32] This is her sword, it captures souls.

[01:00:34] When she slices through somebody,

[01:00:36] she gets the soul and her sword.

[01:00:37] What does that mean?

[01:00:38] She could cut through all of you like blades of grass.

[01:00:40] Also, her husband died, he's in the sword.

[01:00:43] And then we get a very brief flashback

[01:00:45] where she's like, I will kill you Japanese businessman

[01:00:48] and the Japanese businessman is like,

[01:00:49] no, I don't deserve to die.

[01:00:50] She's like, yes you do.

[01:00:52] You're a gangster and he's like, well maybe I am,

[01:00:54] I don't know and then she kills him.

[01:00:55] And we're like, what was that?

[01:00:57] Who was that?

[01:00:58] Who was all this?

[01:00:59] I'm sorry, what?

[01:01:00] Who, the husband?

[01:01:01] Did I hear something about a husband living in a sword?

[01:01:04] DC does acknowledge that souls exist.

[01:01:08] Oh God, that's why you like these movies.

[01:01:11] Yeah.

[01:01:12] Because you're-

[01:01:12] You believe in the soul?

[01:01:13] He's a big soul truther.

[01:01:14] Yep.

[01:01:15] Is this a new Ben Ben?

[01:01:18] Yeah.

[01:01:18] Yeah, people don't acknowledge this enough.

[01:01:21] The soul taker?

[01:01:22] I've mentioned that it's his nickname every episode.

[01:01:24] Are you serious, you only noticing this now?

[01:01:26] I always call him the soul taker.

[01:01:27] Absolutely not.

[01:01:28] He, Ben believes strongly in the existence of souls

[01:01:32] because he wants to believe that he can collect them all.

[01:01:34] That's right.

[01:01:35] That's why we call him the soul taker.

[01:01:35] Ben wants to have all of humanity's souls

[01:01:37] within the palm of his hand.

[01:01:38] You want to catch them all?

[01:01:39] Into a geode of sorts.

[01:01:41] Yeah.

[01:01:42] Or a crystal.

[01:01:43] Have you ever wondered why Ben wears a baseball cap

[01:01:45] all the time?

[01:01:46] Cause he's got a bunch of souls under there?

[01:01:47] Yeah, underneath his hat he hides a crystal

[01:01:49] that captures the souls of many.

[01:01:52] So that's Katana.

[01:01:54] That and the hearts.

[01:01:54] Good job setting her up.

[01:01:55] And the hearts, he captures hearts.

[01:01:57] Yeah, but it's a different thing that captures the hearts

[01:01:59] if you know what I'm saying.

[01:02:00] It's that.

[01:02:01] Wait, wait, Ben, Ben, Ben.

[01:02:03] We're all over the place guys.

[01:02:04] Guys, please, Ben, please.

[01:02:05] What?

[01:02:06] It's a children's podcast, come on.

[01:02:07] Oh, you're right.

[01:02:08] Excuse me.

[01:02:09] It's for families.

[01:02:10] Like Suicide Squad, which is PG-13.

[01:02:11] It's a family movie.

[01:02:13] I would like to say I support Mike Verbiglia.

[01:02:15] Mention him twice in a row or whatever.

[01:02:17] We're going to mention him in a future episode,

[01:02:18] I guess.

[01:02:19] His crusade about how...

[01:02:20] Don't think twice.

[01:02:21] Don't think twice is rated R for, like,

[01:02:23] I guess they smoke pot?

[01:02:25] I don't even...

[01:02:26] Fuck, like twice?

[01:02:27] Maybe.

[01:02:27] And this movie is rancid.

[01:02:29] This movie is like wall-to-wall violence.

[01:02:32] It contains the Joker, like,

[01:02:34] laughing amid a bed of knives.

[01:02:37] Yeah, he builds a game of thrones on the floor

[01:02:40] and then lies in the middle of it, around him.

[01:02:42] Like it's art.

[01:02:43] It's knives and guns.

[01:02:45] We haven't even talked about him.

[01:02:47] What do we fucking say about it?

[01:02:49] Well-known character, the Joker.

[01:02:51] Yeah, one of the most famous characters of all time.

[01:02:54] Yeah, and here's the thing.

[01:02:55] The last time it was done,

[01:02:56] it was maybe the most iconic and beloved performance

[01:02:59] of the last 15 years.

[01:03:01] Definitely a big deal, yes.

[01:03:02] One, the Oscar.

[01:03:04] The actor died before the film was released,

[01:03:06] which elevated to an even more sort of mythic place.

[01:03:10] Quite sad.

[01:03:11] As if the performance itself wouldn't already become iconic.

[01:03:13] Now it's his final statement.

[01:03:15] Right.

[01:03:16] And it was really such a radical reinterpretation

[01:03:19] of the character.

[01:03:20] It was so different than how it had been played before.

[01:03:22] And they brought the scariness back into it,

[01:03:24] which had been a sort of dormant element,

[01:03:25] because he'd always been played as more theatrical and silly.

[01:03:27] And even the Mark Hamill character,

[01:03:28] which is creepy and unnerving.

[01:03:30] He's very like, oh, well, I'm the Joker.

[01:03:32] Yeah, no, he's more old school.

[01:03:34] Yeah, there's that thing.

[01:03:36] Ledger put a lot of weird, grimy sort of energy into it.

[01:03:41] And it's generally a man-scent character.

[01:03:43] And then now everyone just does fucking Ledger Joker.

[01:03:46] And in the comics,

[01:03:47] the comic version of the Joker

[01:03:49] is so influenced by the Ledger Joker.

[01:03:51] If not literally,

[01:03:51] is that sort of vibe is what they want

[01:03:53] of like the scuzz ball thing?

[01:03:55] You know, the dirty sort of like,

[01:03:57] because the Joker always used to kind of be natty

[01:03:59] and theatrical and dirty.

[01:04:00] No, part of his thing was that he was sort of like well-dressed

[01:04:03] and sort of apportioned.

[01:04:05] And then his sort of psychotic violence

[01:04:07] was sort of in conflict with that presentation kind of.

[01:04:11] I don't know.

[01:04:12] This interpretation of the Joker

[01:04:13] is essentially taking all the Ledger's shit,

[01:04:15] including his voice,

[01:04:16] which is almost identical to Ledger's voice.

[01:04:18] It's similar, although it has no modulation.

[01:04:20] It's basically just one of the things

[01:04:21] that all four voices Ledger does.

[01:04:23] You and I were saying the other day,

[01:04:24] the thing that's interesting about Ledger's Joker

[01:04:25] is he sort of does this Pee Wee Herman thing

[01:04:27] where he's got like three or four voices

[01:04:29] that will cycle out at weird moments.

[01:04:31] You kind of don't know when it's like

[01:04:33] gonna go from this into like this.

[01:04:35] Right, whatever.

[01:04:36] We're combining Pee Wee and Joker.

[01:04:38] The poker.

[01:04:41] The Pawocor.

[01:04:43] He's doing the Ledger voice,

[01:04:45] but then like aesthetically

[01:04:47] the idea is to make him some sort of modern crime lore.

[01:04:51] Like he's sort of got a scar face thing going on.

[01:04:53] Sort of.

[01:04:54] On film spotting,

[01:04:56] a podcast I listen to and love a lot,

[01:04:58] they said today,

[01:05:00] I thought it was pretty smart

[01:05:03] that it feels like it's Ledger's Joker

[01:05:04] combined with Alien from Spring Breakers.

[01:05:08] Okay, sure.

[01:05:09] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:05:10] It's that sort of like weird sexuality

[01:05:12] and that grimy sort of style.

[01:05:14] I would say some,

[01:05:15] yeah, that's pretty good.

[01:05:16] That's a pretty good reason.

[01:05:17] Right? Yeah.

[01:05:18] But I really,

[01:05:19] one, I mean the big problem is obviously

[01:05:21] there's no time spent on the character.

[01:05:23] So we really have very little read

[01:05:25] on like what his deal is.

[01:05:26] I mean, he's got maybe one full scene in the movie

[01:05:29] but all the scenes are kind of like cut off at some point

[01:05:31] and mostly happens in flashback montology stuff.

[01:05:33] Flashback are these sort of choppily edited

[01:05:35] sort of like overexposed,

[01:05:37] like kind of silly looking.

[01:05:39] There's this one scene

[01:05:41] that really sucks.

[01:05:42] Yeah. Where Margot,

[01:05:43] I mean Harley Quinn is dancing

[01:05:45] on a pole in his club.

[01:05:47] He's basically like an LA crime lord.

[01:05:49] Yes.

[01:05:50] A mid-level crime lord in this movie.

[01:05:52] And common rapper, common.

[01:05:53] And he's talking to common,

[01:05:55] a decent actor who's been in bigger projects

[01:05:57] and bigger roles than this one.

[01:05:59] And he's like 10th building this.

[01:06:00] Also has solo card building.

[01:06:02] And he's playing some guy

[01:06:04] and the Joker is- With like a bull nose.

[01:06:05] And this is after Violet Davis,

[01:06:07] Mandelwald has been like,

[01:06:08] you know, don't,

[01:06:09] you don't mess with the Joker

[01:06:11] and you don't disrespect his lady or whatever.

[01:06:13] But the Joker by the way at this point

[01:06:14] in the film has had no presence

[01:06:16] in like a present tense kind of way.

[01:06:18] It's just people talking about the Joker

[01:06:19] and cutting to like montages of stuff.

[01:06:21] But the Joker is not part of the team.

[01:06:23] He's not part of the plot of this film at all.

[01:06:25] Right.

[01:06:26] He's kind of completely superfluous

[01:06:27] to what's going on.

[01:06:29] The only thing that matters

[01:06:31] is that he made Harley Quinn.

[01:06:32] Right. And that Harley is very devoted to him.

[01:06:34] But he-

[01:06:35] She was his psychiatrist

[01:06:36] and he drove her crazy

[01:06:37] and he tortured her

[01:06:38] and she jumped into a vada chemicals

[01:06:40] to turn into a Joker lady.

[01:06:41] Nothing he does in this film

[01:06:43] has any real bearing on the events of the film.

[01:06:45] It just has bearing on Harley.

[01:06:47] It really weirded me out

[01:06:48] because like the idea is like he wants Common

[01:06:50] to have sex with Harley Quinn.

[01:06:53] Yeah. I guess

[01:06:54] and Common's not into it.

[01:06:55] And then we don't even really see what the,

[01:06:58] I guess he shot him, but we don't even see that.

[01:07:00] But I couldn't figure if he shot him

[01:07:01] because Common wouldn't sleep with her

[01:07:03] or if he shot him because he was trying to trick

[01:07:06] Common into sleeping with her

[01:07:07] so that he could have motivation.

[01:07:08] So I guess he's like playing a mind game.

[01:07:10] I just interpret it as like Common had some aside

[01:07:13] like you're a lucky man.

[01:07:14] Basically like establishing

[01:07:16] like you have a very attractive girlfriend

[01:07:18] and then the Joker such a sick freak

[01:07:20] that he didn't appreciate that

[01:07:23] and is gonna fuck with her.

[01:07:24] But that to me seemed so boring

[01:07:27] as the Joker is gonna be like,

[01:07:30] oh, don't look at my girlfriend.

[01:07:33] Like what kind of nonsense is that?

[01:07:34] He's supposed to be weird

[01:07:36] or more unpredictable than that.

[01:07:38] That's the other element to talk about here

[01:07:39] and we're not going to go into it too much

[01:07:41] because everyone's fucking talking about it.

[01:07:42] But Jared Leto's year long campaign

[01:07:45] about how method he went for this movie.

[01:07:47] You know, and sending everyone the shit

[01:07:49] and fingering their assholes with peanut butter

[01:07:51] and like all of that for a performance

[01:07:54] that like he's probably in the film

[01:07:55] for 10 minutes on the nugget.

[01:07:56] Yeah.

[01:07:58] It's mostly seen fragments, like not real scenes.

[01:08:01] So like, you know maybe that helped him flesh it out

[01:08:03] because he didn't have real scenes to play

[01:08:05] so it made it feel like a consistent character.

[01:08:07] But the characterization is so like gimmicky,

[01:08:10] you know and like tiki and there's no there there.

[01:08:14] And like Ledger's Joker part of the interesting thing

[01:08:17] was that he was kind of a mystery

[01:08:19] that we couldn't figure out where he was coming from.

[01:08:20] Right, he's like a, we can't see inside him.

[01:08:22] Like he's like a weird black box

[01:08:24] but not the black box over Orlando Bloomstick.

[01:08:26] Yes, thank you.

[01:08:28] There was a weird inner consistency

[01:08:30] to his inconsistency as a character.

[01:08:33] It felt like the guy was trying

[01:08:34] to keep everyone on his toes.

[01:08:36] This Joker is very one note

[01:08:38] and also very superficial in how he's played.

[01:08:42] It's not a very good performance.

[01:08:44] It's not a terrible performance

[01:08:45] but it's violently uninteresting.

[01:08:48] He's certainly going to be in more of these movies.

[01:08:51] So I think that's why he's in this film there.

[01:08:53] It's setting up so he'll pop up in something else.

[01:08:55] That's so confounding about the way

[01:08:56] they're making these movies is it's like,

[01:08:58] so this is how you're setting up the Joker now

[01:09:01] in like such a piecemeal kind of way

[01:09:03] and then the next movie you have to like factor

[01:09:05] in the responses to what people like after you.

[01:09:08] But before you-

[01:09:09] You just run with this?

[01:09:10] This is what you're gonna run with?

[01:09:11] This?

[01:09:12] Like it'd be weird to change it now

[01:09:14] but also they haven't really done enough with him yet

[01:09:16] that there anything's too locked in

[01:09:18] other than the surface elements.

[01:09:20] I like the tattoos.

[01:09:23] He had a cool tattoo on his forehead.

[01:09:25] It's a damage, you get it?

[01:09:26] Cause he's crazy.

[01:09:28] And then Harley had like cool kind of like

[01:09:31] almost like a stick,

[01:09:33] poke and stick kind of tattoos on our legs.

[01:09:35] Yeah, I like that.

[01:09:36] Those are cool.

[01:09:37] He had a mouth on his hand

[01:09:39] and he would put his hand in front of his mouth

[01:09:40] and it was like he had a different mouth.

[01:09:42] Yeah, you get it cause the Joker smiles.

[01:09:44] I guess.

[01:09:45] Oh, I thought he liked the Rolling Stones.

[01:09:50] No that's Amanda Waller's,

[01:09:51] Ben has, Ben stood up and held both fists in the air.

[01:09:58] Oh my God.

[01:09:59] Good joke, great dick.

[01:10:01] Exactly.

[01:10:02] Good joke, great dick.

[01:10:03] 10 comedy points.

[01:10:04] If not more.

[01:10:05] Hey, you wanna give more?

[01:10:06] Give more.

[01:10:07] Remember, you owe Ben 10 million comedy points.

[01:10:09] Wait, it's 10 million?

[01:10:10] That's our future episode

[01:10:12] so people haven't listened to it.

[01:10:13] Oh right, okay we're getting ahead of ourselves.

[01:10:14] That's a spoiler.

[01:10:15] We're doing things DC universe style.

[01:10:16] We're introducing characters and bits in the wrong order.

[01:10:19] Oh, we should also mention spoiler alert

[01:10:20] for anyone who hasn't seen Suicide Club.

[01:10:22] Suicide Club?

[01:10:25] Oh wait, squat.

[01:10:27] Squat.

[01:10:28] Squat.

[01:10:29] So the reason I think we're now digressing

[01:10:31] into the Joker is after this team is set up

[01:10:34] and Enchantress does a bad thing

[01:10:36] and makes her brother Incubus show up

[01:10:38] and we'll talk about Incubus in a second.

[01:10:40] I think Ben really wants to talk about Incubus.

[01:10:42] Then the rest of the movie is them dealing with that.

[01:10:46] Yes.

[01:10:47] The next hour and a half.

[01:10:49] Well the first mission they're set on turns to be

[01:10:51] getting Amanda Waller from a skyscraper

[01:10:54] and when they show up together,

[01:10:55] which we're not told but then they show up together

[01:10:57] and we think they're showing up to like get Enchantress.

[01:11:00] They walk into the room and she's there

[01:11:02] and she's like what?

[01:11:04] And Brick Flags like they're gonna be really pissed

[01:11:07] and she's like look I had to stay late at work.

[01:11:09] Like that's what it was.

[01:11:10] And then she shoots everyone who she's working with.

[01:11:14] But like dead.

[01:11:15] The explanation is essentially that they have to send them

[01:11:18] out to rescue her because she stayed too late at the office

[01:11:21] and now it's dangerous outside.

[01:11:22] I guess but then they're gonna have to go get Enchantress

[01:11:27] who's like eight blocks that away.

[01:11:30] Are they supposed to just chaperone like Amanda Waller

[01:11:32] home?

[01:11:33] But then she also put her in an Uber?

[01:11:34] I can take care of myself.

[01:11:36] Also people keep getting into helicopters

[01:11:39] and the helicopter will take off and be destroyed

[01:11:42] in some way or another shot down, blown up by monsters.

[01:11:46] Including Joker's helicopter

[01:11:47] which Joker tries to rescue Harley Quinn

[01:11:48] when they're on the rooftop.

[01:11:49] He said he's coming for her and he broke out

[01:11:51] and he's got his men and whatever

[01:11:53] and he gets her in the helicopter.

[01:11:54] She's dangling from a string, from a rope

[01:11:57] and then aren't we all dangling from a string in life?

[01:12:00] Yes.

[01:12:00] And Amanda Waller's like dead shot, take the shot

[01:12:02] and his whole thing is he never misses

[01:12:04] and he misses on purpose and then they shoot

[01:12:07] the helicopter and the helicopter crashes.

[01:12:09] Every time that a helicopter crashes, no one is injured.

[01:12:12] Okay so all the other characters-

[01:12:13] Everyone walks out of the helicopter fine.

[01:12:15] Harley because she's still dangling from the rope

[01:12:16] and has continued dangling in the rope for five minutes

[01:12:19] while the helicopter's moving and not climbing up at all

[01:12:22] gets like falls off or does he push her off the helicopter?

[01:12:25] I don't know.

[01:12:26] I don't know.

[01:12:27] She gets off the helicopter before it blows up

[01:12:29] so she just sees the helicopter crash

[01:12:30] and she thinks everyone dies.

[01:12:31] And once again much like Superman's death

[01:12:34] we go boo hoo hoo, I'm not buying for one fucking

[01:12:37] second that he's dead because they're not gonna

[01:12:39] interest a new Joker and not have him meet Batman.

[01:12:42] Oh yeah, Ben Affleck's also in this movie.

[01:12:44] Yeah, he plays Batman.

[01:12:45] He punches Harley in the face,

[01:12:47] which is one of three moments in the film

[01:12:48] where a man punches a woman in the face

[01:12:50] and it's played as a joke.

[01:12:51] And one time they're like, I don't care if you're a lady

[01:12:53] I'm gonna punch you.

[01:12:54] And one time is one of Slipknot's two lines is

[01:12:58] when he's getting out of the van

[01:12:59] and the woman's saying stuff,

[01:13:00] he punches her on the face.

[01:13:01] He's got like an FBI special ops woman

[01:13:04] who's escorting him out of the van

[01:13:05] and he punches her in the face

[01:13:07] and goes like what?

[01:13:08] She had a mouth on her.

[01:13:09] And then the movie's like, what else are you gonna do?

[01:13:11] This movie also uses the words bitch, hoe, slut

[01:13:15] and pussy a lot.

[01:13:17] Sure. A tremendous amount.

[01:13:19] Yeah well, you know.

[01:13:21] They're bad guys.

[01:13:23] We're bad guys. Yes, all squad.

[01:13:27] Well okay so here's my biggest problem with the movie.

[01:13:30] They're not really bad guys.

[01:13:31] No that's the other problem, they're not really that bad.

[01:13:33] We've never seen them be bad.

[01:13:34] Because we haven't seen them be bad.

[01:13:35] The worst things we've seen them do are...

[01:13:37] They kill people.

[01:13:38] Deadshot kills people, he does it for hire.

[01:13:40] We don't know if the people he's killing

[01:13:41] are good or bad really.

[01:13:43] Like he's like being hired by like mob people

[01:13:45] so there's a good chance that everyone

[01:13:46] he's killing is a criminal.

[01:13:48] There's a flashback scene. No, he's killing a witness

[01:13:50] in one, in his scene.

[01:13:52] He's killing government witnesses.

[01:13:53] I'm not saying anyone should be killed by deadshot.

[01:13:54] I wanna make it clear.

[01:13:55] My political stance is that deadshot

[01:13:57] shouldn't kill anybody.

[01:13:59] Yeah sure. But in a movie and in a movie landscape

[01:14:03] that fetishizes shooting people that much,

[01:14:06] watching someone wantonly shoot a bunch of people

[01:14:09] weirdly doesn't feel that bad if it's removed from context.

[01:14:12] Do you know what I'm saying?

[01:14:13] Yeah, I know, I do.

[01:14:14] And also Batman kills like eight million people

[01:14:18] in Batman vs Superman.

[01:14:19] Yeah thank you.

[01:14:20] He leaves like a wave of death in his wake.

[01:14:23] He's awful.

[01:14:24] Yeah, as a Superman.

[01:14:25] Yes, yeah, does he kill people?

[01:14:27] I don't know.

[01:14:27] More in Man of Steel.

[01:14:28] Yeah.

[01:14:31] But you know Captain Boomerang just like fucking like

[01:14:33] is a petty thief.

[01:14:34] Wait was he in this movie?

[01:14:35] Yeah.

[01:14:36] He's the guy who has Boomerang.

[01:14:38] He had a Boomerang.

[01:14:39] Do you remember that guy with the Boomerang?

[01:14:41] Nope.

[01:14:41] That's good.

[01:14:42] But all of them like, you don't really get a sense

[01:14:44] of like what they've really done.

[01:14:46] No.

[01:14:47] And they don't behave that horribly.

[01:14:48] They're just kind of like all...

[01:14:50] The jerks.

[01:14:50] They're like kinda jerks,

[01:14:51] but they're not even like the worst.

[01:14:53] Kinda funny.

[01:14:54] Mandawaller seems pretty bad.

[01:14:55] Yeah she's the worst one in the film, no question.

[01:14:57] I mean I think that's David Ayer

[01:14:59] trying to be like you know what?

[01:15:00] The government.

[01:15:01] Yeah.

[01:15:02] They're the real criminals.

[01:15:05] But I think this is like

[01:15:07] the biggest issue with the movie, okay?

[01:15:10] I think it's one issue with the movie.

[01:15:11] I'm gonna tell you, I'm leading...

[01:15:12] Using this as a lead up into what I think

[01:15:14] is the biggest issue with the movie.

[01:15:15] And this is my suggestion, Griff's fix.

[01:15:18] This is how I would fix this movie.

[01:15:19] Okay.

[01:15:20] I know they only had six weeks to write the screenplay

[01:15:22] but if you had brought me in

[01:15:23] and showed me the screenplay

[01:15:24] and said how would you fix this?

[01:15:26] This is how I would restructure it

[01:15:27] with all the elements that are already in the movie, okay?

[01:15:30] The biggest problem with this film

[01:15:32] is that Will Smith plays Deadshot.

[01:15:34] Okay.

[01:15:35] Because Will Smith is one of our greatest living movie stars.

[01:15:38] He is an effortlessly charismatic and compelling actor

[01:15:41] and he's like the son.

[01:15:43] Like everything gets drawn into him, right?

[01:15:45] Deadshot is not the leader of the team.

[01:15:48] He's not the worst person on the team.

[01:15:50] He's not the character who has

[01:15:51] the most exciting backstory or anything.

[01:15:53] No.

[01:15:54] But the film has to make him the central focus

[01:15:55] because he's Will Smith

[01:15:56] and you're not gonna pay attention to anyone else.

[01:15:57] Sure.

[01:15:58] Like your eyes are naturally gonna be drawn to Will Smith.

[01:16:01] You need Will Smith or someone of Will Smith equivalency

[01:16:04] playing the Rick Flag character.

[01:16:06] For this movie to work in any sort of proper narrative way.

[01:16:08] That's a fine choice.

[01:16:10] The Rick Flag character needs to work

[01:16:11] and the structure in which this film works in my eyes

[01:16:14] is if the movie is like the fucking Mighty Docs.

[01:16:17] And it's like here's the guy who's being kept,

[01:16:19] like being forced to babysit a bunch of rag tag

[01:16:23] like kids that he hates.

[01:16:25] I don't agree with you.

[01:16:26] You don't agree with me?

[01:16:27] Not at all.

[01:16:28] Why not?

[01:16:29] You can't make a Suicide Squad movie

[01:16:31] and then have Rick Flag be the best character.

[01:16:33] Rick Flag's boring.

[01:16:34] Fuck Rick Flag.

[01:16:35] You make Rick Flag the lead character.

[01:16:37] I disagree.

[01:16:38] Not Joel Kineman.

[01:16:39] I'm saying make Will Smith, Rick Flag.

[01:16:42] Rick Will Smith would never take that role.

[01:16:44] It's so boring.

[01:16:45] Make it better.

[01:16:46] No.

[01:16:47] The main character in Suicide Squad

[01:16:49] needs to be the normal person who is leading the squad.

[01:16:52] Can I tell you why I think this?

[01:16:53] No, that role should be played

[01:16:54] by a great character actor

[01:16:56] who can bring some funny charisma to it

[01:16:59] not be the leader of the movie.

[01:17:01] No one cares about Rick Flag.

[01:17:02] I disagree with you.

[01:17:03] No one's ever gonna care.

[01:17:04] I disagree with you strongly.

[01:17:05] I think Rick Flag needs to be the central character

[01:17:07] because making him the central character

[01:17:08] allows the other characters to be actually bad.

[01:17:13] None of the Suicide Squad members

[01:17:15] can actually be that awful

[01:17:16] because it's an ensemble film

[01:17:18] and they're all supposed to be sympathetic

[01:17:19] and relatable in some way or another.

[01:17:21] So you make Rick Flag the fucking main character.

[01:17:24] When I say Rick Flag,

[01:17:25] Rick Flag is an abstract concept.

[01:17:27] Rick Flag.

[01:17:28] Not Rick Flag as he exists in this movie.

[01:17:30] I'm saying hire someone like Will Smith,

[01:17:32] make Rick Flag an interesting character.

[01:17:34] Make it that he's a military guy

[01:17:35] who has a girlfriend who's possessed by a witch

[01:17:37] and Viola Davis comes to him and says,

[01:17:39] I can fix her if you do this job for me.

[01:17:42] And he goes, what is it?

[01:17:44] And she goes, you gotta be in charge of this team.

[01:17:46] And he's fucking Gordon Bombay.

[01:17:48] He's Emilio Esves.

[01:17:49] He doesn't wanna deal with it.

[01:17:50] He hates them.

[01:17:50] This sounds like an okay movie.

[01:17:52] Thank you.

[01:17:53] But I don't agree with you.

[01:17:53] I don't think you should have made a Suicide Squad movie

[01:17:56] but I think that's the version

[01:17:57] that's the most functional.

[01:17:59] Here's what the movie should be about.

[01:18:01] It should be about the Joker

[01:18:03] who should be the villain of the movie.

[01:18:06] It should be Rick Flag leading a team

[01:18:07] to take down the Joker

[01:18:09] because he has to be established as the big bad.

[01:18:11] It's like, okay, what force is bad enough

[01:18:14] that you need to bring in all the other bad guys

[01:18:15] to take them down?

[01:18:16] The Joker, if you're introducing him in a new universe,

[01:18:18] make it clear he's the top of the pyramid.

[01:18:19] No, I disagree with this joke.

[01:18:21] We're disagreeing on everything.

[01:18:22] The movie, I'm so right about all of this.

[01:18:24] You're not.

[01:18:25] I'm 100% correct.

[01:18:26] The fix, number one fix,

[01:18:28] don't shoot this movie all at night.

[01:18:30] Number two fix, I don't know what the fuck we're doing.

[01:18:33] Katana's not the movie.

[01:18:34] Katana makes no sense.

[01:18:35] Yeah, there's a lot of fix.

[01:18:36] Number three fix, why is the villain

[01:18:38] like a glowing CGI man incubus?

[01:18:42] Like, I don't know.

[01:18:43] But you're focusing on small details.

[01:18:44] I think the very structure of the movie is wrong.

[01:18:48] That was my joke that I was making.

[01:18:49] But no, I think your movie is,

[01:18:52] you've got the Joker, he's out there.

[01:18:55] You've got this, you can still have

[01:18:57] this sort of Amanda Waller misled idea

[01:19:00] of like, oh, we can corral the villains into a team

[01:19:03] and it's gonna work.

[01:19:04] You have the Joker take over the team.

[01:19:07] Like you have Harley Quinn there.

[01:19:08] Like have him fuck up the team.

[01:19:11] Like you need the team.

[01:19:12] I think that's third act twist.

[01:19:12] I think that's third act twist is

[01:19:14] once they get to the Joker,

[01:19:15] they realize that Amanda Waller is the real villain

[01:19:16] and they team up with the Joker

[01:19:17] and Harley to take down Amanda Waller.

[01:19:19] Yeah, I don't know.

[01:19:20] Look, I think Rick Flag has to be

[01:19:22] the audience surrogate character.

[01:19:23] I think that allows the rest of them to be scoundrels.

[01:19:26] You want them to be really bad

[01:19:28] and you want to be a film about him realizing

[01:19:30] that everyone's a human being.

[01:19:32] I think, I don't even know.

[01:19:33] I don't even know if you need a Rick Flag character.

[01:19:34] I think if Rick Flag isn't the audience surrogate character

[01:19:36] then there's no reason for him to be in the movie.

[01:19:38] Yeah, I don't really think you need Rick Flag at all.

[01:19:40] Okay, but I think if Rick Flag isn't in the movie

[01:19:42] then someone like Deadshot needs to be the leader

[01:19:44] of the team which makes him more heroic

[01:19:45] than he should be.

[01:19:47] I don't have a problem with the general idea they have

[01:19:51] which is Amanda Waller is kind of a bad guy almost.

[01:19:53] Right.

[01:19:54] But I think that Rick Flag is a villain

[01:19:57] in that he is an immoral man who murders for money.

[01:20:01] Yeah.

[01:20:02] But he's not deranged.

[01:20:03] He's a murderer with his credit card.

[01:20:04] No, he's not crazy.

[01:20:05] And so if you put him on a team of deranged people,

[01:20:08] now I don't know why you're including

[01:20:09] like Captain Boomerang, these characters

[01:20:11] who have no characterization at all.

[01:20:15] But if you put them on a team

[01:20:16] of genuinely deranged people like your Killer Croc,

[01:20:19] your Enchantress, your Harley Quinn,

[01:20:22] that's all you need.

[01:20:23] He can still be a bad guy who is also like at least sane.

[01:20:29] And that's your audience, sir.

[01:20:30] I think, I disagree.

[01:20:32] I don't think in a movie about villains who kill people,

[01:20:34] the audience is gonna wanna be the surrogate

[01:20:37] of the boring guy who bosses them around.

[01:20:39] That guy sucks.

[01:20:40] Well then my problem is-

[01:20:41] It's about him learning to accept them.

[01:20:41] No!

[01:20:42] He's just a military guy.

[01:20:43] He's boring.

[01:20:44] But he doesn't have to be boring.

[01:20:45] It's about the audience accepting the bad guy.

[01:20:47] Make him, make him a name.

[01:20:49] That's what he functions as the audience surrogate

[01:20:50] because he accepts the bad guys

[01:20:51] and we accept it through him.

[01:20:53] That sounds like fucking hand-holding shit now.

[01:20:55] Yeah, like the Mighty Ducks!

[01:20:56] What if his super name, super hero name is Red Flag?

[01:21:01] Because-

[01:21:02] He's a bad sign of what's to come?

[01:21:04] Yeah.

[01:21:05] I think Rick Flag, the movie starts with Rick Flag,

[01:21:07] his girlfriend gets captured by a witch.

[01:21:09] He's in love with her before she turns into a witch.

[01:21:12] That's such a quick fix, right?

[01:21:15] Don't have Rick Flag!

[01:21:16] Don't have Enchantress be the villain.

[01:21:18] That's a mistake.

[01:21:19] She's not a villain.

[01:21:20] She's on the team.

[01:21:20] Okay?

[01:21:21] He falls in love with her.

[01:21:22] He's a military guy.

[01:21:24] Velodavis wants to assemble this team

[01:21:25] because the Joker's a threat.

[01:21:27] She goes to Rick Flag.

[01:21:28] She's like, I know about your situation with your girlfriend.

[01:21:30] I have the cure but I need you do something for me.

[01:21:32] What is it?

[01:21:33] Assemble this team.

[01:21:33] I fucking hate villains.

[01:21:35] I work for the military.

[01:21:35] I don't want to do it.

[01:21:36] You have to corral them,

[01:21:38] learn them, teach them into something good.

[01:21:40] Whole fucking main thrust of the first act of the movie

[01:21:44] is training.

[01:21:45] They get all of them together.

[01:21:46] You have them bond.

[01:21:47] That would be the classic three-act structure

[01:21:48] certainly is have a training session.

[01:21:50] Right?

[01:21:50] And rather than doing all these fucking flashback things,

[01:21:53] you have them.

[01:21:54] You have another mission.

[01:21:54] But you have them get to actually know each other.

[01:21:57] So they become a dysfunctional family

[01:21:58] rather than this movie where they're all just together.

[01:22:00] They're together for an hour

[01:22:02] and then El Diablo is saying shit like,

[01:22:04] I already lost one family.

[01:22:06] I'm not going to lose this one.

[01:22:07] You're not your family.

[01:22:08] You don't know that you know it from now on.

[01:22:08] You don't like it when you've had no conversations.

[01:22:10] These are some guys that you were hanging out

[01:22:13] with on a helicopter.

[01:22:13] You guys mentioned how he lost his family, right?

[01:22:15] No, we haven't gotten to that yet.

[01:22:16] They mention that after he's had the flame out.

[01:22:19] Yeah, they mentioned that after he's had

[01:22:20] three flame outs and a bunch of shit has happened.

[01:22:23] But before he's turned into a fire Skellington.

[01:22:25] He does turn into a fire Skellington.

[01:22:27] That was a great scene.

[01:22:29] Like an Inca or Aztec fire Skellington.

[01:22:33] He also writes the word by in flames.

[01:22:35] Yeah, and he makes some dancing sexy ladies in flames.

[01:22:38] He's like a Bob Ross of fire.

[01:22:42] He's the worst caretaker.

[01:22:43] I just think this movie is them getting to know each other.

[01:22:45] They're training them in a long-term way

[01:22:47] and then fucking entranced.

[01:22:50] No, Enchanters is part of the team.

[01:22:52] Reluctantly, he's with her.

[01:22:55] Then they go to try to attack the Joker

[01:22:56] and they realize the Joker and Harley Quinn are closer to them

[01:22:59] and then Amanda Waller was really setting it up

[01:23:01] for some other fucking system.

[01:23:03] They were fall guys, whatever it was.

[01:23:04] What if they were teens?

[01:23:06] Well, that's just a different movie.

[01:23:08] Yeah, it's Teen Team Supreme.

[01:23:09] Appreciate it.

[01:23:10] That's just runaways.

[01:23:11] But if they're teens, you know, then it's like...

[01:23:13] If they should make a runaways movie.

[01:23:14] Or if they're babies.

[01:23:16] If you could do it right, it'd be great.

[01:23:17] Baby Suicide Squad.

[01:23:19] Well, Suicide Squad babies would be great.

[01:23:21] It would be great.

[01:23:22] I mean, baby Harley Quinn? Adorable.

[01:23:24] Suddenly the pants make sense.

[01:23:26] Can I tell you a big complaint I have

[01:23:27] with Harley Quinn in this movie?

[01:23:28] I have so many complaints.

[01:23:30] I don't think she's crazy enough.

[01:23:31] Is that insane?

[01:23:32] I think she's just like a little kooky.

[01:23:34] But even within the structure of the teen,

[01:23:35] Captain Boomerang is set up as being crazier.

[01:23:39] But like...

[01:23:40] He behaves in a crazier mood.

[01:23:41] None of them do anything!

[01:23:42] Well, that's my point.

[01:23:43] This is the problem.

[01:23:43] They don't have any...

[01:23:44] We know she's crazy.

[01:23:45] Yeah.

[01:23:46] Because she says things that are in her head

[01:23:49] sometimes, I guess.

[01:23:50] It feels like she's doing a bit.

[01:23:51] It feels like she's fucking Jared Leto bragging

[01:23:53] about how crazy he went for the filming

[01:23:55] of the movie Suicide Squad.

[01:23:56] We don't see her be crazy

[01:23:57] because that would involve her like,

[01:23:59] knifing someone.

[01:24:00] And that would be an issue.

[01:24:01] Why? That's what the movie should fucking be?

[01:24:03] Why would it be an issue?

[01:24:04] Just have a little knife in each other.

[01:24:05] What else?

[01:24:06] Then why make this movie if you don't do that?

[01:24:07] Why make a movie where Harley Quinn's part

[01:24:09] of Suicide Squad if you don't make her freak out?

[01:24:11] Well, but like, Harley Quinn,

[01:24:13] who is not a character I've ever liked.

[01:24:15] And I...

[01:24:16] I look on the animated series.

[01:24:16] I'm not crazy about the modern sort of...

[01:24:18] Yeah, I'm certainly not crazy.

[01:24:19] I've never been a big fan of her,

[01:24:20] but Harley Quinn is defined by the Joker.

[01:24:23] What does Harley Quinn even do on the other?

[01:24:24] She's never quote unquote crazy

[01:24:26] except for she's in love with the Joker,

[01:24:28] which is an objectively crazy thing to be.

[01:24:30] No, I think the idea is that she's as much

[01:24:32] of a loose cannon as the Joker

[01:24:34] and not like she's a crazy,

[01:24:35] like she's Tasmanian devil going like,

[01:24:36] ah!

[01:24:37] But like at any moment she could do anything.

[01:24:39] She could?

[01:24:40] With impunity in the same way.

[01:24:41] You should feel that sense of danger

[01:24:43] of like, I don't know what she's gonna do next.

[01:24:44] Right.

[01:24:45] Captain Boomerang's got a bit of it.

[01:24:46] You don't know if he's gonna pull out

[01:24:47] a unicorn or can a beer.

[01:24:48] You don't know, he's crazy.

[01:24:49] Captain Boomerang repeatedly runs away

[01:24:52] from the action in the film.

[01:24:54] Which makes sense.

[01:24:55] He only has a Boomerang.

[01:24:56] As do most characters.

[01:24:57] El Diablo like ducks out a couple times.

[01:24:59] El Diablo doesn't do anything for most of the movie.

[01:25:02] He's like, I don't do fire stuff anymore.

[01:25:03] There are people shooting each other

[01:25:04] and he's just staying there

[01:25:05] in the middle looking at them solemnly.

[01:25:07] And he could be quite helpful.

[01:25:08] Yeah, and also they could shoot him.

[01:25:10] Like, sure.

[01:25:11] Either one.

[01:25:11] Like he's not fighting and no one's fighting him.

[01:25:14] The villains in this movie,

[01:25:15] the Parfum Enchantress are blob people.

[01:25:18] Let's let Ben talk about Ancubus.

[01:25:20] Yeah, they're people with black tar eyeball bodies.

[01:25:22] Yeah, they're blobs.

[01:25:24] They're blobs.

[01:25:25] Ben, do you wanna talk about Ancubus?

[01:25:26] Sure do.

[01:25:27] Well, all right.

[01:25:28] So we meet the brother, okay?

[01:25:31] He inhabits-

[01:25:32] The brother of Enchantress.

[01:25:34] Right, he inhabits some rando, right?

[01:25:36] Some subway rando.

[01:25:37] We've all been on the subway

[01:25:38] and someone's tried to put an a stick

[01:25:39] God inside of us.

[01:25:40] Yeah, of course.

[01:25:41] Okay, so, right, you're thinking,

[01:25:43] okay, cool, another witch, right?

[01:25:46] A warlock.

[01:25:47] Uh-huh.

[01:25:48] But what is he gonna look like?

[01:25:50] Is he gonna look similar to Enchantress?

[01:25:52] Enchantress, you know, a little lady,

[01:25:53] but she's got a lot of dust.

[01:25:54] Right, but then you get a sense

[01:25:57] of what you're working with.

[01:25:58] You got yourself an ancient God.

[01:26:00] Uh-huh.

[01:26:01] Okay, and he happens to be big.

[01:26:04] Very big.

[01:26:05] Quite big.

[01:26:06] I would put him around 15 feet.

[01:26:08] Yeah, something like that.

[01:26:09] And you're not really sure what he's made of.

[01:26:11] You're not sure of what the people they make,

[01:26:14] the blobby people are made of.

[01:26:16] We don't even see them really being made until later.

[01:26:18] He looks, he's kind of fiery.

[01:26:20] Like, he's like orange glowing.

[01:26:21] He like, you know.

[01:26:22] He kinda looks like a knockoff gods of Egypt character.

[01:26:26] He's sort of like that sort of robo transformer.

[01:26:29] Yeah.

[01:26:30] But like also ancient Egyptian look.

[01:26:31] Yeah, I was gonna say a little destroyer from Thor

[01:26:34] when he lights up from the inside.

[01:26:36] But he's got a human face.

[01:26:38] I would say that the CGI is goofy.

[01:26:41] Yeah, especially on Enchantress.

[01:26:42] Cause like at some point,

[01:26:44] she like hits her like ideal form quote unquote

[01:26:47] and stops being a pig pen

[01:26:48] and then starts just being like a showgirl.

[01:26:50] She's just being like a Vegas showgirl

[01:26:52] and she's doing like the Brittany

[01:26:54] like I'm a slave for you dance.

[01:26:55] But without the snake

[01:26:57] and her whole body appears to be CGI.

[01:27:00] Yeah.

[01:27:01] And she's got the sort of Kate Blanchett

[01:27:04] in Lord of the Rings

[01:27:05] when she's getting really hyped up

[01:27:07] about the ring voice.

[01:27:08] That sort of like,

[01:27:09] I am Enchantress.

[01:27:11] I am Cara D'Alevine.

[01:27:15] She's, I would say that the audience chuckled mostly

[01:27:18] at her appearances.

[01:27:20] Like didn't take her very seriously

[01:27:21] I think is a threatening villain.

[01:27:23] Yeah, can I throw it another complaint

[01:27:24] I had about this movie?

[01:27:25] And about Harley.

[01:27:26] There's so many problems with this movie.

[01:27:27] Harley Quinn in particular.

[01:27:28] None of her jokes land in the film.

[01:27:30] Yeah, what's a Harley Quinn joke?

[01:27:32] There's one where she's just like kill them all.

[01:27:35] Just kidding.

[01:27:36] That's not what the voices in my head said.

[01:27:38] They said something else.

[01:27:39] Like she has like a very long joke

[01:27:41] that's something like that.

[01:27:42] The audience we saw with laughed at a couple points.

[01:27:44] Like genuinely,

[01:27:45] a couple of Will Smith jokes really landed.

[01:27:46] Not like jokes, but like he's got some good one liners

[01:27:48] and some good line deliveries.

[01:27:49] Y'all jokers must be crazy.

[01:27:51] He says that a bunch of times.

[01:27:52] Yeah.

[01:27:53] Some version of that.

[01:27:53] Yeah, and he says welcome to Suicide Squad

[01:27:55] and he punches an alien.

[01:27:57] But there is...

[01:27:59] He doesn't do that.

[01:28:01] Yeah.

[01:28:02] There's also the part where he puts on sunglasses

[01:28:03] and he says you know what the difference between

[01:28:04] you and me is?

[01:28:05] I make this look squad.

[01:28:08] He does say that.

[01:28:09] There's also that part where he says squad robot.

[01:28:12] I, squad bot.

[01:28:14] I did not murder him.

[01:28:17] That's what the robot says in I, robot.

[01:28:18] The pursuit of squadiness.

[01:28:20] He, yeah anyway.

[01:28:24] I Suicide like a butterfly, I squad like a bee.

[01:28:27] Yes, thank you Ben.

[01:28:29] There was no Harley Quinn joke.

[01:28:31] I remember getting a laugh from the audience

[01:28:33] in the theater last night.

[01:28:34] Ben's laughing really hard at his own joke.

[01:28:35] It was pretty good.

[01:28:36] It was pretty good.

[01:28:38] But right, I don't remember them laughing at anything

[01:28:40] and the editing is so bad,

[01:28:42] the timing's so bad they cut off all her jokes

[01:28:44] like prematurely but also like it doesn't work.

[01:28:46] They're badly written and I don't think she...

[01:28:49] I watched this movie and feel her feeling uncomfortable.

[01:28:55] Cause even the accent's a lot more consistent

[01:28:57] in Wolf of Wall Street.

[01:28:58] Yeah, her accent is...

[01:28:59] It's a little in and out in this.

[01:29:00] There are scenes where she sounds totally Australian

[01:29:02] and Wolf of Wall Street, she's pretty immaculate.

[01:29:04] She's got a good accent.

[01:29:05] I'll be cartoonish, pretty immaculate.

[01:29:06] But she's supposed to have,

[01:29:07] Harley Quinn is supposed to have for whatever reason

[01:29:09] this sort of like Brooklyn gal accent,

[01:29:12] you know like, ah, Puddin, like...

[01:29:14] Mr. J.

[01:29:15] Mr. J.

[01:29:17] Yeah.

[01:29:17] Which is what's that voice actress who's great,

[01:29:20] whoever plays her in the animated series,

[01:29:22] I forget it.

[01:29:23] I'll look up her name.

[01:29:24] But there is a thing, I watched this performance

[01:29:26] and it feels like Margot Robbie could not

[01:29:30] find a strong enough handle.

[01:29:32] Arlene Sorkin.

[01:29:33] Arlene Sorkin.

[01:29:33] Could not find a strong enough handle for the character

[01:29:36] and so she's sort of thrown stuff at the wall.

[01:29:38] Will Smith is like such a veteran at this point.

[01:29:42] He can turn straw into gold, like he can do it.

[01:29:45] He can make any character engaging to watch.

[01:29:47] I liked Will Smith in this case.

[01:29:49] Yeah, he is good.

[01:29:49] But I think Margot Robbie,

[01:29:51] while being a great movie star and a very good actress,

[01:29:52] isn't quite at the level that she can put

[01:29:55] as they say in the film,

[01:29:56] like 12 pounds of shit into a 10 pound bag.

[01:29:58] Yeah, but you also, yeah,

[01:30:00] great line in the film, by the way.

[01:30:02] And the bag contains Kilicron.

[01:30:05] You also feel bad because she,

[01:30:07] I feel really bad for her.

[01:30:09] Like you said, she doesn't get the moments

[01:30:12] you kind of want from her.

[01:30:14] Yeah.

[01:30:15] She doesn't get some big quote unquote hero,

[01:30:18] a big villain moment.

[01:30:19] But they give her the final moment

[01:30:20] where she takes down the villain only

[01:30:21] because they were like, oh right,

[01:30:23] we should probably let her do it

[01:30:24] because she's the character that

[01:30:25] the audience likes the most.

[01:30:27] That the one they're most excited to see in the film.

[01:30:30] But it doesn't really make sense that she does that.

[01:30:32] No, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

[01:30:34] Her character makes no sense.

[01:30:35] She just wants to get back to the Joker.

[01:30:36] It's very difficult to make a movie like this work

[01:30:38] where the romance that she's so obsessed with

[01:30:40] happens all in flashbacks.

[01:30:41] In like five minutes.

[01:30:42] Right.

[01:30:43] And he's mostly the Joker being like,

[01:30:45] I'm not gonna kill you.

[01:30:46] I'm just gonna hurt you.

[01:30:47] And we haven't like properly really like

[01:30:49] established the Joker in the film.

[01:30:51] So Harley Quinn doesn't really make any sense

[01:30:53] without a sense of who he is.

[01:30:55] You know, unfortunately that is a character

[01:30:56] that exists only in relation to the Joker.

[01:31:00] And I know people are gonna throw out that like,

[01:31:01] well now in the comics they made her more independent.

[01:31:03] She stands on her own and it's like,

[01:31:04] yeah but that's in the comics.

[01:31:06] The whole point is if you're reading an issue now,

[01:31:08] you know that's coming off of 20 years of past.

[01:31:10] Like, you know each issue is subverting

[01:31:12] the history of what the characters have been.

[01:31:14] This movie feels like that to me a little bit

[01:31:16] where it's like, look at how we're flipping the script.

[01:31:18] But it's like, yeah, but we're not,

[01:31:19] this isn't issue 500.

[01:31:21] Like this is the first issue of all of these characters

[01:31:24] in this movie.

[01:31:25] For the sake of this movie and these actors playing them,

[01:31:28] this is issue one.

[01:31:29] And you're flipping scripts that haven't been written yet.

[01:31:32] You are and yeah.

[01:31:34] Which is why I think make them the mighty ducks,

[01:31:37] just make them really bad,

[01:31:38] treat them like garbage pail kids,

[01:31:40] don't make them all have tragic back stories

[01:31:42] and just make it like Rick Flag has to be in charge

[01:31:44] of like a bunch of fucking crazy weirdos.

[01:31:46] Allow them to be crazy and weird.

[01:31:48] That's what we wanna see.

[01:31:49] We wanna see them be insane.

[01:31:53] They should have done this.

[01:31:55] This should have been the ninth movie.

[01:31:56] Okay, 100%.

[01:31:57] Then you could see it.

[01:31:58] After all of them have been in separate movies.

[01:31:59] At least enough of them had been.

[01:32:01] At least you'd had Deadshot in a movie,

[01:32:03] you'd had Harley Quinn in a movie,

[01:32:05] you'd had maybe Amanda Walsh.

[01:32:06] You can introduce new characters.

[01:32:09] Would it not have been cool if in like five DC movies

[01:32:12] there were villains who at the end of the film

[01:32:14] were defeated but not killed

[01:32:16] and then the ninth movie is

[01:32:17] all those villains together now?

[01:32:19] That would have been cool.

[01:32:20] And we're seeing it from the other perspective.

[01:32:22] But wait, what if it was Who's the Villain in Medus?

[01:32:27] Oh, it's General Zah.

[01:32:28] Zah, Doomsday, Lex Luthor.

[01:32:29] Doomsday, Lex Luthor.

[01:32:30] This is the problem.

[01:32:31] A lot of these villains can't really recur.

[01:32:33] That's what I'm saying.

[01:32:34] If starting now, if Flash had Captain Boomerang

[01:32:37] and whatever, maybe not even as the main villain.

[01:32:39] Who's the villain in The Flash gonna be?

[01:32:41] I have no idea.

[01:32:42] It's probably gonna be some sort of version

[01:32:44] of Reverse Flash, Professor Zoom or something like that.

[01:32:47] I have to imagine.

[01:32:48] I don't think they've announced it yet.

[01:32:50] That movie is a little more encouraging to me

[01:32:53] because I have no idea what pronounce his name,

[01:32:55] but Rick from Famiyuma.

[01:32:57] Who made Dope and Could Be Good.

[01:33:01] But it's another movie where they fire

[01:33:03] the original director

[01:33:04] and I think they're in a bit of a time crunch

[01:33:05] and you wonder like, oh God,

[01:33:07] like is this gonna work out?

[01:33:08] But I think this new director choice

[01:33:09] is a lot better than the original director choice.

[01:33:10] Who was someone who had never directed a movie before.

[01:33:12] It was a perfectly good choice.

[01:33:14] Rick Famiyuma is like a really good stylist

[01:33:16] and what's your name?

[01:33:19] I'm Chrisy Clemens isn't who I really, really like.

[01:33:21] She's great.

[01:33:22] She's a great actor.

[01:33:23] Cyborg though.

[01:33:24] Yeah Ben's all about that cyborg.

[01:33:25] I mean, Cyborg isn't like till like 2020 or something.

[01:33:28] Like it's gonna be a while until we get a cyborg movie.

[01:33:31] I mean how do you become a robot?

[01:33:32] We'll be well.

[01:33:34] And that's how.

[01:33:35] We'll be well into our second Trump term

[01:33:38] when Cyborg comes out.

[01:33:39] Now now, none of that Trump talk.

[01:33:42] Seriously though.

[01:33:43] Well I mean we would if he won I guess.

[01:33:45] Oh god.

[01:33:48] After Suicide Squad makes 140 million

[01:33:50] I have no faith in humanity.

[01:33:52] Amen, Deadpool made 400 million bucks or whatever.

[01:33:55] Deadpool is a movie.

[01:33:57] What?

[01:33:58] I mean Deadpool's a movie that has characters

[01:33:59] and dialogue that implies a history

[01:34:02] and it tells a story and a story concludes itself.

[01:34:05] Like Suicide Squad feels like a two hour trailer to me.

[01:34:08] Not just in the way that it's edited

[01:34:09] but in the fact like the leaps it makes

[01:34:12] that it assumes that you're gonna fill in.

[01:34:14] It uses the shorthand for everything.

[01:34:16] I mean like you have no organic character development.

[01:34:19] You just have scenes where they go like,

[01:34:20] oh by the way I never told you about this.

[01:34:22] I killed my entire family on a fire.

[01:34:24] Now I'm telling you this an hour and 45 minutes after we met

[01:34:26] and then you go into the final battle knowing that.

[01:34:28] Like they just throw shit at you.

[01:34:31] Deadpool and not a movie I love functions as a movie.

[01:34:35] The quality of that movie we can argue over.

[01:34:37] I think the movie is Deadpool.

[01:34:39] It's one of those things where I think it's

[01:34:40] a genuinely awful movie that barely functions

[01:34:43] but certainly in comparison to this,

[01:34:45] yes it has more of a story.

[01:34:47] Yes.

[01:34:48] Yes although.

[01:34:49] There is a narrative to Deadpool.

[01:34:51] Yeah although.

[01:34:52] You cannot like that narrative

[01:34:53] and you can argue it's poorly executed.

[01:34:55] It's the most abored awful flashback I hate about anyway.

[01:34:57] Okay but there is a narrative.

[01:34:58] See a dick in it.

[01:34:59] You see a dick in it.

[01:35:00] Bare briefly.

[01:35:01] But this is like the most like scattered

[01:35:02] flashback like structure.

[01:35:03] No no no.

[01:35:04] But I mean it's obviously.

[01:35:05] It is the most poorly structured film I've ever seen.

[01:35:07] But I mean it just, it reeks of,

[01:35:09] well no we saw Fantastic Four.

[01:35:11] Fantastic Four I like more than this.

[01:35:15] Unquestionably has better moments.

[01:35:16] Batman vs Superman has better elements than this does.

[01:35:19] I like Batman vs Superman way more than this.

[01:35:21] Now this is a question that.

[01:35:22] I don't like Fantastic Four.

[01:35:23] Our blankies have been asked, that's insane.

[01:35:25] This is a question that's insane.

[01:35:27] This is a question our blankies have been asking

[01:35:29] on Twitter and there was a poll, a vote.

[01:35:32] Which movie did you hate watching more?

[01:35:34] Elizabeth Town or Suicide Squad?

[01:35:36] Elizabeth Town.

[01:35:37] Wow.

[01:35:38] Are you kidding me it's not even close.

[01:35:40] That's a fascinating sneak preview for next week's episode.

[01:35:43] Uh huh.

[01:35:44] Okay well. Not even close.

[01:35:46] Elizabeth Town lost me so hard so fast.

[01:35:50] Suicide Squad very quickly I was like,

[01:35:53] oh this is probably gonna be a bad movie.

[01:35:55] The first two. And then it was.

[01:35:56] The first 20 minutes of the film I was like,

[01:35:58] this is bad.

[01:35:59] This is quite bad.

[01:36:00] But it is bad in a different way

[01:36:02] than most movies are bad.

[01:36:03] I'm kinda giving them props

[01:36:05] and then within 45 minutes it just like

[01:36:07] completely collapses.

[01:36:08] And Ben and I were just looking at each other

[01:36:10] and sighing and just like,

[01:36:12] are you fucking kidding me?

[01:36:13] It's not fun to watch.

[01:36:15] It's really gross.

[01:36:16] Like it's just a gross movie.

[01:36:18] It makes you feel spiritual.

[01:36:19] It's quite gross.

[01:36:20] It's dark and men's rights.

[01:36:22] Yeah we should say it's quite sexist.

[01:36:24] There's these extended weird sequences

[01:36:26] where Enchantress shows the characters there

[01:36:30] like Hart's desire.

[01:36:31] And Harley Quinn's desire is to be married

[01:36:34] to Jared Leto.

[01:36:35] Well as seen earlier she goes,

[01:36:37] we're fucked up.

[01:36:38] Like I keep on saying fuck but they don't say fuck

[01:36:39] at all in this movie because it's PG-13.

[01:36:41] But she says like, we're all weirdos.

[01:36:43] We're all broken people.

[01:36:44] Like none of us are normal.

[01:36:45] Life isn't like a washing machine.

[01:36:47] There isn't just a normal setting.

[01:36:48] Like accept it.

[01:36:49] And she's telling everyone just like,

[01:36:50] accept that you're weird.

[01:36:51] Only your weirdness.

[01:36:52] And she goes like, we all might be,

[01:36:54] you know, ugly on the inside

[01:36:56] but we're beautiful on the outside.

[01:36:57] And then she turns the killer crock

[01:36:58] and she goes, except for you,

[01:37:00] you're ugly on the outside.

[01:37:01] And he goes, no way honey, I'm beautiful.

[01:37:03] And she goes, you're right.

[01:37:04] You are beautiful.

[01:37:05] Yeah, that's true.

[01:37:06] That's a whole thing that happened.

[01:37:07] What the fuck is that conversation?

[01:37:08] Are you kidding me?

[01:37:09] But then they have the whole...

[01:37:10] And Chantris makes them see what they want

[01:37:12] in their heart of hearts

[01:37:13] and what she wants is literally

[01:37:15] her pushing the normal button on a washing machine

[01:37:18] and then it's Jared Leto out of makeup

[01:37:19] and they have two babies.

[01:37:20] What does Croc really want?

[01:37:21] Two white babies.

[01:37:22] He wants BET.

[01:37:23] He wants to watch BET.

[01:37:24] Which fuck that.

[01:37:26] Because the actor who plays him is black.

[01:37:28] Yeah.

[01:37:29] So that must be the only channel he wants to watch.

[01:37:31] BET.

[01:37:33] The Black Channel.

[01:37:34] Hey, remember when like two months ago...

[01:37:36] That joke, like there wasn't even a snicker in the audience.

[01:37:39] It landed like with the harshest thud.

[01:37:42] And then I heard someone behind me just lean over me

[01:37:44] and be like, what did he say?

[01:37:46] You can also barely understand what Croc is saying.

[01:37:48] It's hard to tell what he's saying.

[01:37:49] And he's like, BET.

[01:37:51] Like the other person could barely repeat it.

[01:37:53] It does work though when they show him in a cell.

[01:37:55] Watching BET.

[01:37:56] That was a nice climactic emotional fulfillment.

[01:38:00] But it happens two minutes after the original joke.

[01:38:02] Also that actor playing Croc, it's not like a delayed payoff.

[01:38:07] Like it's like we just heard him say he wanted

[01:38:08] and then you just see he got it.

[01:38:11] That actor playing Croc,

[01:38:12] whose name I can't even attempt to pronounce.

[01:38:13] Adewale Akaneweyek Baajay.

[01:38:15] Thank you very much.

[01:38:16] Has been good in a great many things.

[01:38:18] He's Mr. Echo in Lost.

[01:38:19] He was an Oz for a zillion years.

[01:38:21] Fucking phenomenal on those shows.

[01:38:21] He's a very good character, actor.

[01:38:24] He's obviously often called on to play villains

[01:38:26] because he's a big guy with a deep voice.

[01:38:29] His heavy duty in G.I. Joe Rise of Copper.

[01:38:31] He was cursed in a Thor the Dark World.

[01:38:33] Oh right, he was.

[01:38:34] He's been around for a long time.

[01:38:36] This movie, he's just buried under makeup.

[01:38:38] The makeup is itself very, very good.

[01:38:40] Yeah, the makeup's good.

[01:38:41] But it feels like he's doing an acting class exercise

[01:38:44] where it's like, now play a snake.

[01:38:47] And his movements are so exaggerated.

[01:38:48] I always thought the thing that was interesting

[01:38:50] about Killer Croc was that he was a dude

[01:38:52] who looked like a crocodile

[01:38:53] but otherwise kind of functioned like a guy.

[01:38:56] Like he's not literally a crocodile.

[01:38:58] You know what I'm saying?

[01:38:59] And in this movie he like,

[01:39:00] does the most exaggerated walk in the world.

[01:39:03] I mean we were saying after the movie

[01:39:04] when we were talking to the Black Man Can't Jump guys,

[01:39:07] like, he got given props, he did pick something

[01:39:10] and he stuck to it.

[01:39:11] You know it's a consistent characterization

[01:39:14] but it just speaks to the scattershot nature

[01:39:16] of this whole movie which is not aligned with,

[01:39:18] like know what one element is aligned

[01:39:19] with any other element.

[01:39:20] Right.

[01:39:21] This is the last thing I wanna talk about

[01:39:23] because this episode's long.

[01:39:24] But I, fucking this movie.

[01:39:26] But also the Aldi Abla fantasy sequence,

[01:39:29] are you gonna mention that?

[01:39:30] Is that what I was trying to say?

[01:39:31] Is it him with his kids again?

[01:39:31] No, that's the thing.

[01:39:32] We get this whole thing of like,

[01:39:33] oh he's like a gang banger,

[01:39:35] a Latino gang banger with tattoos all over his face.

[01:39:38] Great.

[01:39:39] And then he burned his house down

[01:39:40] and killed his wife and kids in a fit of rage.

[01:39:42] Great.

[01:39:43] And he already had all the tattoos before he did.

[01:39:45] Yeah, that's the thing where he's just like,

[01:39:46] hey what's up?

[01:39:47] And it's like he's got like a skull face.

[01:39:49] He's like otherwise dressed like Brian Cranston

[01:39:51] in Malcolm in the middle.

[01:39:53] Like he's wearing like a polo tucked into like

[01:39:55] dockers but he's got the skull face.

[01:39:57] And we see, and so I'm like, oh great,

[01:40:00] a Latino villain, what a great representation

[01:40:03] of a not very often seen Latino hero.

[01:40:05] I should say, a superhero.

[01:40:06] He's also Skellington but go on.

[01:40:08] He had just turned into a fire Skellington.

[01:40:10] And then in his fantasy sequence,

[01:40:13] much like Harley Quinn wants Joker to just be

[01:40:15] Jared Lido and his American Psycho costume.

[01:40:17] Yeah, right.

[01:40:19] Is that his wife will come to him with a beer

[01:40:22] and kind of like kneel by his legs?

[01:40:23] Oh my God, yes.

[01:40:25] Like what the fuck?

[01:40:26] Oh my God, yes.

[01:40:28] She's gonna put the kids to bed and they're gonna fuck.

[01:40:30] Boom!

[01:40:31] What a great fantasy.

[01:40:33] So here's the thing I want.

[01:40:35] The last thing I think we need to talk about

[01:40:36] is like the entire culture around these DC movies

[01:40:40] and the backlash and everything.

[01:40:42] Because like our friend, recent guest,

[01:40:46] regular guest on the show Richard Lawson.

[01:40:48] I just, I'm throwing this out as a microcosm

[01:40:50] of one incident, right?

[01:40:52] He posted a very bad review of the film.

[01:40:54] He did.

[01:40:55] His job is he is a film critic.

[01:40:57] He sees movies and he writes his opinions on those films.

[01:41:01] He's not the greatest.

[01:41:03] He's saying Ben is the greatest.

[01:41:05] No, you're our greatest film critic, Ben.

[01:41:06] Ben, yes, you are greatest film critic.

[01:41:08] Richard, who is our second greatest film critic,

[01:41:11] Richard Lawson, right?

[01:41:13] Posted his review of Suicide Squad,

[01:41:14] which was his job and he was entitled to hold

[01:41:16] any opinion of that film he wanted.

[01:41:19] Oh, was he?

[01:41:20] Or was he in the pocket of rotten tomatoes?

[01:41:22] Well, that's this fucking thing,

[01:41:23] which rotten tomatoes isn't a company

[01:41:25] that hires those critics.

[01:41:26] They're just a site that aggregates things.

[01:41:28] And people think rotten tomatoes is biased.

[01:41:29] They're also partly owned by Warner Brothers.

[01:41:31] The company that made Suicide Squad,

[01:41:32] if they were biased towards anyone,

[01:41:34] it would be Suicide Squad.

[01:41:37] Oh boy.

[01:41:38] So this dude fucking tweets at Richard Lawson

[01:41:40] and goes, hey, thought you should see this.

[01:41:42] Some of the people are spreading it

[01:41:43] around the Reddit forums.

[01:41:45] And it was Richard Lawson's Twitter to Avatar

[01:41:48] with the word faggot written over it in big letters.

[01:41:50] God, I didn't even see this.

[01:41:52] When did this happen?

[01:41:53] This happened the day the reviews broke,

[01:41:54] the embargo broke on Monday or Tuesday,

[01:41:55] whatever it was.

[01:41:56] I can read it, man.

[01:41:57] Right?

[01:41:58] And then a bunch of emoji middle fingers.

[01:41:59] Okay?

[01:42:00] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:42:01] And Richard goes, wow, thank you.

[01:42:03] Sure, great.

[01:42:04] And he goes, there are a lot more

[01:42:06] that people are spreading around.

[01:42:07] Do you want to see more of them?

[01:42:09] The guy's account name is like DC Movie News

[01:42:11] or something like that, right?

[01:42:12] Right.

[01:42:14] And his real name is listed underneath.

[01:42:16] I'm not going to say it because I'm not an asshole,

[01:42:18] but it ties together into this thing, right?

[01:42:21] And Richard, he goes, do you want to see more?

[01:42:23] He was like, LOL,

[01:42:24] a lot of them being spread around,

[01:42:25] do you want to see more?

[01:42:26] And Richard responds, yeah.

[01:42:29] There's nothing I love more than being called a faggot

[01:42:31] for writing a bad review of a movie.

[01:42:33] And the guy goes, okay, cool.

[01:42:35] And then sends him four more pictures.

[01:42:36] Great, thanks, guy.

[01:42:38] Now the irony of this is that Richard's avatar is-

[01:42:42] It's Neil Hamburger, yes.

[01:42:43] Right.

[01:42:44] And they just thought it was a picture of him.

[01:42:46] So it's like-

[01:42:47] Wait, is that, they're literally-

[01:42:48] They're facing a picture of Neil Hamburger.

[01:42:51] Yeah, there is a weird feedback loop to that

[01:42:53] where like, yeah, I feel like Neil Hamburger,

[01:42:56] what's he's the guy?

[01:42:57] I feel like he would-

[01:42:58] Correct churking tape.

[01:42:59] Yeah, correct churking tape would almost appreciate

[01:43:01] this bizarre irony, yeah.

[01:43:02] 100%.

[01:43:03] But I got into like, you know,

[01:43:05] I started attacking this guy on Twitter.

[01:43:07] Yeah, you sometimes will roll your sleeves up

[01:43:09] and you'll feel the control.

[01:43:10] They call me David Schwimmer because I feed the beast.

[01:43:14] And I rolled up my sleeves and got in with him

[01:43:17] because this is my fucking friend.

[01:43:18] You know, this is-

[01:43:19] No, no, I understand.

[01:43:20] I mean, that's also awful and egregious.

[01:43:22] I didn't know that was happening.

[01:43:23] I have a pretty-

[01:43:24] I mean, I'm not stunj here it was happening, but-

[01:43:26] But I take a pretty firm moral stance on these things

[01:43:29] where I'm not like, oh, I'm just gonna go back

[01:43:30] and like call these other people names.

[01:43:32] I just like try to talk to these people

[01:43:33] and go like, do you realize-

[01:43:34] Yeah, why are you doing this?

[01:43:35] Interacting with a real human being who has feelings

[01:43:38] that you're not just like yelling shit into the ether.

[01:43:40] And that this is like a slur, you know?

[01:43:43] That you're throwing out to a man.

[01:43:45] We understand.

[01:43:45] Yeah, right, okay.

[01:43:47] And he just kept on responding with like,

[01:43:49] what he was asking for it.

[01:43:51] Like literally he literally asked like,

[01:43:55] sure in his sarcastic terms, is that what he means?

[01:43:58] Do you not understand sarcasm?

[01:44:00] Anyway.

[01:44:00] And he was like, well still,

[01:44:01] he didn't have to write that review.

[01:44:02] And I was like, he did because that's his job.

[01:44:04] His job is reviewing it goes,

[01:44:05] well he didn't have to write the review

[01:44:06] and make it that bad.

[01:44:07] And he was like, because he didn't like the movie.

[01:44:09] Have you never not liked a movie before?

[01:44:11] Well, it's-

[01:44:12] That's why I just think he's biased.

[01:44:13] And I said, look, if he had loved the movie,

[01:44:16] would you think he was being paid out by Warner Brothers?

[01:44:18] Right.

[01:44:19] Because if he hates it,

[01:44:20] you think he's being paid out by Marvel.

[01:44:21] And I guarantee you, Marvel doesn't fucking care.

[01:44:23] Warner Brothers doesn't fucking care.

[01:44:25] If they're making money, they don't fucking care.

[01:44:27] They want us to like the movies.

[01:44:28] They want the movies to get good reviews,

[01:44:30] but certainly not something-

[01:44:31] And the Marvel thing is they've constructed

[01:44:33] this kind of like pyramid scheme where like,

[01:44:35] because there's enough general goodwill

[01:44:37] towards the movies that people will go see all of them

[01:44:39] because they liked the last one.

[01:44:40] They want to see how the new characters introduced.

[01:44:42] They buy the merchandise and it makes them read

[01:44:44] more comics and all this sort of stuff.

[01:44:45] But the key to that is that they like

[01:44:47] the characters in the first place.

[01:44:49] And these DC movies are just rushing through

[01:44:51] all these characters and not letting us

[01:44:52] form connections with them.

[01:44:53] And then expecting that we're just gonna go on

[01:44:55] because it's the same ostensible format as these other things.

[01:44:58] But I'm getting to this fight with this guy

[01:44:59] and he was like, what's your problem?

[01:45:01] Why you defend him so much?

[01:45:03] Get a life or whatever.

[01:45:04] And then he was like, what is he?

[01:45:05] Your boyfriend or something?

[01:45:06] And it's like, well great.

[01:45:07] Okay, so now we're in the circular thing.

[01:45:09] This whole thing, fuck you.

[01:45:10] He blocks me of course, right?

[01:45:11] Before I say anything mean to him.

[01:45:13] I'm just trying to reason with him.

[01:45:15] And then this same guy, if I'm not mistaken,

[01:45:17] if I recognize the name is the one who then started

[01:45:20] change.org petition to shut down Rotten Tomatoes

[01:45:24] because the bad reviews are hurting his feelings

[01:45:25] because he wants the movies to be good.

[01:45:28] Look, I mean, I'll admit, like I went on Reddit

[01:45:32] the day the reviews broke.

[01:45:33] Got stare into the sun for a little bit.

[01:45:34] Out of a little perverse fascination,

[01:45:35] I've never really poked around the DC movies forum

[01:45:38] or what I found it.

[01:45:40] And it was interesting, cause obviously

[01:45:41] of course there are the truly harmful nasty people.

[01:45:46] And then there's obviously this like a lot of people

[01:45:48] who are really invested in these movies being good.

[01:45:52] And they're really sad that they know they're not.

[01:45:55] And it's just heartbreaking.

[01:45:58] You can't be that invested.

[01:46:00] You gotta be less invested.

[01:46:02] It's not gonna be good for you.

[01:46:03] You're not gonna feel good.

[01:46:04] They care about those characters

[01:46:05] and they really want them to be good.

[01:46:07] And curing the public side of the mood.

[01:46:08] And you can see them saying like, oh my God,

[01:46:11] I really thought this one was gonna work out.

[01:46:15] I thought suicide score was gonna be a lot better.

[01:46:16] Like seeing the reviews breaking,

[01:46:18] just being like, ah, this is terrible.

[01:46:20] Some people saying things like,

[01:46:21] okay, well let's not go after critics again.

[01:46:24] We've gotten so much hot water last time.

[01:46:26] Look over Batman vs Superman.

[01:46:28] Obviously some people are ignoring such, you know.

[01:46:31] Yeah.

[01:46:32] A lot of them are freaking out

[01:46:33] cause Devon Farachi gave it a positive review

[01:46:35] which like blew their tiny mind to take a paradigm.

[01:46:37] Because they think he's the most biased king of them all.

[01:46:39] They think he's the king of Marvel's roles or whatever.

[01:46:41] Bias king.

[01:46:42] Not bias because they don't even know

[01:46:42] how to fucking conjugate bias.

[01:46:44] All this insanity.

[01:46:46] And that was our burger report.

[01:46:48] God, it's so, just take it easy, guys.

[01:46:53] It's okay.

[01:46:54] But here's this element of it to me.

[01:46:55] Okay, right?

[01:46:56] The Marvel characters, we've gotten such deep bench

[01:46:58] characters portrayed in loving ways at this point.

[01:47:00] No one thought we'd get Black Panther, you know?

[01:47:03] In like, you know, the biggest live action film

[01:47:05] of the year that lovingly introduced and played

[01:47:08] with respect, you know?

[01:47:09] We have fucking Ryan Coogler making a Black Panther movie

[01:47:12] with like five of our best living actors

[01:47:15] and DC people are like,

[01:47:17] we still can't fucking get Wonder Woman working?

[01:47:19] Like what?

[01:47:20] I understand that frustration

[01:47:21] if those are the characters

[01:47:22] that you grew up really loving.

[01:47:23] I love Batman.

[01:47:24] I'm not that attached to that many other DC characters.

[01:47:27] Yeah, no, yeah.

[01:47:28] Batman, we've got enough interpretations of it.

[01:47:30] But if you're a fan of any other DC character,

[01:47:33] you're like kind of out of luck, you know?

[01:47:35] I mean Superman's been like hit and miss

[01:47:37] and the other ones have barely been covered.

[01:47:38] But there's this thing that comes out now

[01:47:40] I think of like the DC characters

[01:47:42] have always been a little more dry.

[01:47:45] You know, they've always been a little more mythical

[01:47:47] whereas the Marvel characters

[01:47:48] were a little more psychologically relatable.

[01:47:49] That was the whole revolution of Stan Lee

[01:47:51] was like making the Marvel characters

[01:47:52] be more like real people

[01:47:54] rather than these sort of demigods.

[01:47:55] And look, pick your choice.

[01:47:57] I'm not gonna argue which is a better approach

[01:47:59] or which isn't.

[01:48:00] But DC's approach to making these movies has been

[01:48:02] we're gonna make these movies

[01:48:03] the gritty, real serious adult minded ones.

[01:48:07] And that comes out of like,

[01:48:08] I think the success of the Nolan Batman movies

[01:48:11] which were that's one character

[01:48:12] that actually can withhold

[01:48:14] that sort of psychological exploration.

[01:48:16] It was done in a patient like probing way.

[01:48:18] And they really dug in.

[01:48:20] It wasn't serious for the sake of being serious.

[01:48:22] And it was also that character

[01:48:23] had been done so many different times before

[01:48:25] that you could take a radical departure to that.

[01:48:27] But I watched something on Suicide Squad

[01:48:29] and I get bummed out about the fact

[01:48:30] that it's like in trying to prove

[01:48:32] that their characters are serious,

[01:48:34] they're making movies that no kid would enjoy.

[01:48:36] And I know we said this

[01:48:37] in our Batman versus Superman episode.

[01:48:39] But like putting aside whether or not it's appropriate,

[01:48:41] I just think these are like unpleasant movies for children.

[01:48:44] And the DC fans are like,

[01:48:46] well the Marvel movies are fucking Disney,

[01:48:47] they're for babies.

[01:48:48] They're too cute, yeah.

[01:48:49] Fine, if you think they're too cute

[01:48:50] you wanna be a little more grounded, that's fine.

[01:48:52] But I think the Marvel movies work

[01:48:53] for multiple age groups.

[01:48:54] And the DC movies are working for one

[01:48:57] like a specific group which is

[01:48:59] who are angry and feel like

[01:49:00] they're being betrayed by the world, right?

[01:49:01] I mean certainly, look,

[01:49:02] we spend a lot of time on the internet.

[01:49:04] We're exposed to the worst of people.

[01:49:06] Yeah.

[01:49:07] And I'm sure there are normal boring people out there

[01:49:10] who like the Suicide Squad.

[01:49:11] We were in the theater last night

[01:49:12] with a bunch of guys wearing DC shirts

[01:49:14] and all of them seemed like totally nice gentlemen.

[01:49:16] Yeah, sure, whatever.

[01:49:17] And I own fucking too many Batman shirts.

[01:49:18] Like you know, I mean I'm a terrible person

[01:49:20] but that's aside.

[01:49:21] You are, you're quite bad.

[01:49:22] I'm quite awful.

[01:49:23] I would say you're quite bad.

[01:49:23] You're Rick Flag theory alone.

[01:49:24] But here's the crux of this thing for me, okay?

[01:49:26] Another time I fed the beast, you know.

[01:49:28] Oh my God, Schwimmer came back.

[01:49:29] Schwimmer came back.

[01:49:32] I went Batman versus Superman came out

[01:49:34] and this guy was like rallying

[01:49:35] against all the critics like that.

[01:49:37] You really shouldn't feed the beast.

[01:49:37] I shouldn't feed the beast.

[01:49:39] I shouldn't.

[01:49:39] Especially once I'm on a Superhero Show.

[01:49:41] And you should stop retreating Scientology

[01:49:42] and once you're on a Superhero.

[01:49:43] I don't know what you're talking about.

[01:49:45] Once I'm on a Superhero Show,

[01:49:46] I have to stop feeding the beast

[01:49:47] because it's gonna be the most hypocritical thing

[01:49:48] in the world if I fucking engage

[01:49:49] with all these people when I want to think

[01:49:51] that they'll probably be angry about.

[01:49:53] But hopefully not August 19th.

[01:49:55] The tech, watch it on Amazon August 19th.

[01:49:59] I went to this guy and I just said,

[01:50:01] hey, I'm just curious,

[01:50:03] did you like Batman versus Superman?

[01:50:05] And he said, I liked it a lot.

[01:50:07] I thought it was great.

[01:50:08] It's the best version of Batman we've gotten so far.

[01:50:11] He would fucking scare the shit out of little kids.

[01:50:14] And I said, are you citing that as a positive thing?

[01:50:16] And he went, yeah.

[01:50:17] And I went, why is it a positive for you

[01:50:19] that Batman would scare children?

[01:50:20] And he said, this character is not meant for kids.

[01:50:23] These characters aren't meant for kids.

[01:50:24] They're grown up characters.

[01:50:26] And the thing is like,

[01:50:29] you know all these characters in comic history,

[01:50:31] there have been adult interpretations

[01:50:32] and there have been kid interpretations

[01:50:33] and there have been interpretations in the middle.

[01:50:35] These characters have exist for decades

[01:50:36] and the whole point is they're open for reinterpretation.

[01:50:39] But the DC, both the fans

[01:50:41] and the creative forces behind these films,

[01:50:43] the thing that seems to be driving them is

[01:50:45] we're gonna make the versions of the movies

[01:50:47] that don't make you feel like a baby

[01:50:48] for liking these characters.

[01:50:50] Because Marvel, you can go like,

[01:50:51] oh, am I infantilizing myself a little bit

[01:50:53] by watching all these movies of people in spandex?

[01:50:55] And the DC movies, it's like,

[01:50:57] no because the fucking badass.

[01:50:58] Yeah, they're trying too hard.

[01:51:01] They're trying too hard to appease

[01:51:03] the insecurities of the worst fans of their properties.

[01:51:07] We should just go make a movie

[01:51:08] for people who love these characters.

[01:51:10] And if it's sometimes they're grim

[01:51:11] and it's sometimes they're realistic

[01:51:13] and it's sometimes they're silly

[01:51:14] and it's sometimes they're broad.

[01:51:15] I get you.

[01:51:16] I just think the palette of like these films

[01:51:18] is so narrow and so disturbing

[01:51:19] and I think it feeds into a gross thing culturally.

[01:51:21] Make America great again?

[01:51:24] Yes.

[01:51:25] Make our superheroes great again.

[01:51:26] Yeah.

[01:51:27] Make our superheroes mean again.

[01:51:28] August 19th, the tech.

[01:51:31] Cutting you off.

[01:51:32] Yeah, we gotta stop.

[01:51:33] It's enough ranting.

[01:51:34] Okay, that's been Suicide Pod.

[01:51:36] That's been Suicide Pod.

[01:51:36] Tune in next week for episode two of Suicide Pod.

[01:51:39] What, Ben?

[01:51:40] I just wanna say one quick thing.

[01:51:41] Please.

[01:51:42] Favorite part of the movie actually for me.

[01:51:45] Sure.

[01:51:45] Hands down.

[01:51:46] Yeah.

[01:51:47] Joker henchman, Pandasuit.

[01:51:49] Yeah.

[01:51:50] David, your favorite part?

[01:51:52] We're all gonna walk out after we say a favorite part.

[01:51:53] Ben is walking out of the studio.

[01:51:54] He took my favorite part.

[01:51:55] Really, that's your favorite part?

[01:51:56] No, no, it's Killer Croc Wiggling

[01:51:58] as he jumps into the...

[01:51:59] Or it's the Joel Kinnerman eating a chicken wing.

[01:52:03] Well.

[01:52:04] That was pretty good.

[01:52:05] Did that get a laugh in your audience?

[01:52:06] It didn't.

[01:52:07] Ben and I laughed, no one else did.

[01:52:08] No, it's Killer Croc Wiggling

[01:52:10] as he dives into a sewer.

[01:52:11] Okay, do you wanna take off your headphones

[01:52:13] and now walk out and give me your favorite moment?

[01:52:14] I'll say what my favorite moment is.

[01:52:15] That's...

[01:52:16] Go ahead and do that.

[01:52:17] And as always, my favorite moment in Suicide Squad

[01:52:21] was that steak!

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