Taking Woodstock with Alex Ross Perry

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check The generation began in his backyard

[00:00:35] I suspected you also might have favored a line which jumped out at me as something from the trailer Which is go see what the center of the universe looks like That's what I was thinking of doing

[00:00:45] Arguably the only half way memorable line only because it's in the trailer I would agree with that, it's not listed on the IMDB quotes page and I didn't want to paraphrase it Is there anything listed on the IMDB quotes page? VW guy, like ants making thunder

[00:01:00] That's the Paul Deyno character Of course, yes Eliot finds his father pouring a jug into the freshly filled swimming pool Eliot, dad that's bleach for the laundry Jake, it kills the germs, what's the difference? That line really disturbed me It really freaked me out

[00:01:16] Can people swim in a pool that has bleach in it? Wouldn't that poison them? Yes Because the movie is kind of like what are you going to do? My old Jewish dad in upstate New York pouring bleach in the pool again

[00:01:30] Like, you know, it just retreats like, ah, ah But that's what all these quotes are like Eliot, mom, dad you're like superheroes Sonia, no stuffing in the butchers Butches, bushes So, Eliot where are my arms? What the fuck is this? Who's curating this?

[00:01:47] Do you know in Spain this was called Motel Woodstock? Isn't that weird? That's a better name for it So, I said after this go see what the center of the universe looks like Finds its way under the quotes page

[00:01:58] Someone come on, like, you know, get your act together Clean up the quotes page I mean it's maybe the worst line in the movie But it's also the only line that I remember because I wrote it down And I heard it six times in the trailer

[00:02:10] It's like the only line that has a handle on it You know whether or not it's good, it's like a mug It's at least like something someone would have In the office drinking their Joe out of Everybody this is a blank check with Griffin and David

[00:02:24] My name's Griffin David Sims Newman, I'm Griffin Newman This is a podcast about filmographies Directors who have massive success around their career Were given a series of blank checks to make whatever Crazy far out psychedelic projects they want Baby Oh boy And sometimes those checks clear

[00:02:43] And sometimes they bounce right into the center of the universe They, they, I forget it I was gonna say far out or something It'd be funny This is a main series on the films of Ungly It is called Podback, Mountcast And what's that in the distance

[00:03:01] Boing, boing, boing, boing Oh this is a bouncer This is a bouncer baby It only costs 30 million I mean it bounced you are not wrong And this is like my favorite thing is When people like ask me what directors were getting ready to cover

[00:03:17] And they're like so what else did he do besides like the big ones And I run through stuff There's always the like oh shit I forgot he directed that That's my bread and butter Well no I was gonna say there's another one Alex Pokes his head in

[00:03:29] Right, Insomnia is like an oh shit I forgot he directed that I think this falls into wait that movie happened Ungly made a Woodstock movie Yeah but it's like not about the concert It's about like the planning of the real estate And it's not about that either

[00:03:45] But that is my And it stars Dimitri Martin What? That movie was made? Like that's always the response I get is like that happened That's the episode that's why I claimed this nine months ago You did, you really threw your marker down

[00:03:57] And then even like in one of the other episodes You guys were someone was like oh yeah you guys are taking What are you gonna do about that episode And you're like oh that's the one I haven't seen That's where I wanna come in

[00:04:06] The one I haven't seen The one I haven't seen since it came out The one I forget about The one that was a job for hire I like to you know anything that's like I'd like to be in there for the weirdest most anomalous

[00:04:16] Episode of like every third Every third series Well look you're a fan favorite You're a friend at this point And you have said that you like to When you finish recording an episode Get another episode on the blocks You don't wanna leave this studio until you've

[00:04:30] Staked your claim after your episode You're like me with my friends where When we're saying goodbye to each other At the end of hanging out It's like next Tuesday right We're gonna hang out again like Two weeks from now Okay great Like a dentist or a haircut

[00:04:40] Like I wanna know You operate on a dentist system So yeah like I like to make I'll make my next appointment before I leave I'm remembering that when we did the last one Last shut I wasn't out yet That was like the thing That's crazy

[00:04:51] You had seen it and we had It was so it was right in that week I think it was the day before it came out Yeah Can I just weird axe grind corner over here Our guest today is Alex Rouse Perry by the way

[00:05:01] You're gonna take me down You're coming to me No no no no it's a very different You can't come to me You got a herniated disc You can't come to me I'd run away Breaking news I'm broken Breaking news I have been broken Coming to AMC breaking griff

[00:05:13] Yeah breaking griff Coming to AMC Not You're repeating my joke I was giving it an encore I was echoing it Yeah what's up I wasn't trying to steal it No I know what's up Axe to grind corner I did like the run of a podcast

[00:05:32] Like leading up to the second half Of season one of tech Oh yeah you mean the time You didn't plug this show on comedy Or anything Maybe And there was one guy That was so upsetting for me That I literally had to like turn my

[00:05:45] Foot off and go lie down for a while Ben is shaking is that Anyway go on Have I explained what happened No you have it's fine He went you guys are here to plug the tick of course And then I didn't

[00:05:54] I couldn't figure out how to fit in Cause he just like made it our plug Yeah Imagine if you were wearing the shirt That Ben's wearing while I know it would really help Ben's wearing a beautiful Blank check t-shirt that hopefully Will be available for sale

[00:06:07] At the time you listen to this episode If it isn't Oh no Yeah If there isn't File a lawsuit When I did that run of podcast I did Hollywood Handbook I did a couple others I'm forgetting There was It's seemingly one guy Who like on the subreddits

[00:06:25] On multiple subreddits On the message boards Cause I of course wanted to see How I did on those shows Cause I was a big fan I wanted to see how our episodes Were being received One guy who kept on attacking me In every one of these threads

[00:06:37] Saying like He was unbearable He kept on trying to do all the bits They do on the show It's clear he's a listener It was so frustrating It was like if I was on the show And the guy's complaint was That I knew all the bits too well

[00:06:51] Sure And was playing along with them You're a super fan Right And he was like It pissed me off like Listening to myself on the show It's like how much do you hate yourself Well let's imagine that A lot this could be a good jumping

[00:07:04] On point for a lot of new This episode I think a lot of new people might come This is a huge When they hear you're finally doing The Taking Woodstock episode Yeah stockies You're talking about stockies Yeah And cause like It's a tough one

[00:07:15] Cause like what's left to say About this movie So people are going to be Very like Yeah They're really gonna be looking For that new insight on something That I feel like is pretty well covered Culturally at this point Alex you've been teaching at NYU

[00:07:28] Is it like irritating how many Students come in with papers On taking woodstock Is it like the new fight club Now where it's just like We get it, you're basic We all know that this is an important Cultural landmark movie It's a very good

[00:07:41] It's a very good question I have no idea what's going on I have this question Why isn't it called taking Bethel But I'll just ask that Whenever this is done I also why is it called Taking Woodstock I don't know Something I was trying to look up

[00:07:55] I swear and I found no proof of this The one this movie was announced That had a different title Well that's that possible I don't know when it was announced Cause you find proof of it But it was called like Finding or It was like

[00:08:06] It was some other word Other than taking For the life of me Could not find this And I think I might have imagined it You may have imagined it I remember when it was announced That I thought it was called Talking Woodstock Now that's what this is called

[00:08:19] That's what this is called This is by the way The first episode of Talking Woodstock And that didn't sound good either But I was like The first episode of Talking Taken It sort of I kind of just sounded Like a Harry Nielsen Sorry we're talking Woodstock

[00:08:33] Okay and then I found out It was called Taking Woodstock And I was like Oh so did they like Is it someone who like Pulled some kind of a scheme About what no Or is it like Muppets Take Manhattan Where it's like these people Really took Woodstock

[00:08:45] And by storm And then 11 years later You watched it and found out It actually is just Talking Woodstock Yeah right I mean they talk around it a lot Yeah Alex I have a big I have a big question for you At the day we're recording this

[00:08:59] This will be coming out I guess about a month The six weeks from now Pretty tight by most standards I think Yeah In the grand scheme of things Yes Recent history It'll come out during the same season Correct The same calendar year The day we're recording this

[00:09:16] Is the day of the wide release Of a film that you wrote That's true It's very weird Oh the day we're recording it Yes My rave went up on the Atlantic this morning Hey Let's just take a minute and read it Okay No let's not

[00:09:29] And by the way It's pretty well written By the way Alex Very very kind of you I'm going to give it over to your Disney shells Who of course gave David the payola Because Disney loves paying critics Yeah they were so great

[00:09:40] They asked if there was anybody I knew That wanted some of that payout Who hadn't already gotten it Give me that sweet honey Well because all these poems are graced by Disney baby That's the only reason Disney gets good reviews Not as many on this one

[00:09:50] It seems like they may have cut down Their critic bribing for this movie Based on the embargo lifting last night Well I will say They only had enough to bribe about Apparently like 65% of critics I don't want to talk too much inside baseball

[00:10:04] But it was a thing where I've been very excited For this movie that you worked on Christopher Robin is the movie And then Disney did the thing We were like where's the invite for this And then Yeah the embargo was Thursday night

[00:10:16] Which is usually a sign that a studio Is not very Yeah Like Confident about their movie Yeah I was pretty confused by that I mean I didn't learn that until I asked when the reviews were coming out But the other weird thing is that

[00:10:28] Disney also more and more now Has been doing that just because They don't want the movies getting out Like they do that with like a vendor's shit So they do that with their like crazy Hyper tent poles Where I saw that and was just like

[00:10:39] So are they just applying that to all films now? I don't know I don't know All I'll say is that I saw it And I had a great time And I had a great review Well thank you I'm glad it's out

[00:10:51] By this time it will have been out for a while Sure People maybe have seen it This is my big question for you You are a fellow box office obsessive Love it It's a thing that you and I talk about a lot

[00:11:03] Is how much we sort of love the math A box office right I am too I'm saying fellow with us Okay He speaks for everybody I speak for everyone We the royal we All around this table Especially Ben

[00:11:18] Ben looks nervous that he might get drawn into this somehow Our box office hounds Are you right now getting like Updates from Disney about how it's Performing like hour by hour? You're not getting You know all those jokes And like you know hackney things about

[00:11:33] How unimportant writers are In Hollywood You're back to lay a truth bomb I learned two things One they're not funny Sure And two they're not jokes They're just facts Is that why they're not funny? Well I learned that first It's the opposite of truth and comedy

[00:11:51] I'm sure if I were to be bugging people I could be getting those updates But I'd rather just learn it in real time Than everyone else Well I'll tell you that it got 1.5 million In Thursday night previews Which is similar to what wrinkle in time

[00:12:02] Got wrinkle in time open to 33 million But I'm pretty sure your movie did not cost What wrinkle in time cost I don't know Fair enough Probably not It certainly doesn't seem like it I feel like it's not a Thursday night kind of movie Right right Also true

[00:12:15] I think that's a good number for that film That's actually a good point How many people went to see Christopher Robb In Thursday night Well my dad did Fair enough I would have been Broken as a man Sure I certainly would be a 7 p.m. Thursday night

[00:12:28] Christopher Robbin guy Yeah my dad was one of them David Lowry who is now a fan of the show Because of my recommendation That's very exciting Saw it last night Maybe future guest Winky winky winky I know those are the two people

[00:12:38] I know who saw it last night Okay So the other 1.6 9999 million I can't speak to Sure Fair enough I just remember I have this very distinct memory of When draft day premiered The premiere was on like a Monday And then suddenly my like

[00:12:55] My schedule in LA was filled up With all these general meetings Where they were like You're poppin' in this movie We wanna meet with you People were just like Handing me scripts And going like You're poppin' baby We'd love to get you involved with stuff And then Friday

[00:13:08] Were you only talking to Rob Cordray's character In ballers? Is that everyone in LA? Yeah You're poppin' You're joking but it is everyone Right right Also I went to the pop secret factory But they were just Tell me I was poppin' I handed me all these scripts

[00:13:21] And everything And then Friday my last general meeting Was at Lionsgate Who were releasing draft day And that was the day The movie was coming out And I went in for like A 10 o'clock appointment And they were like Hey we're so happy with your work in the film

[00:13:32] We're really excited about it Box office isn't looking great But we think it's gonna rally We don't think it's a Friday morning movie And it was just like So distinct that like I had walked in And they had started getting The first first numbers Oh wow right

[00:13:46] On Friday morning Cause there was an LA So they had like The New York 11 AM And they had like The first two theater numbers Right and then I like Walked out there And was like Well let me send the follow up E-mails to all the general meeting people

[00:13:57] And suddenly none of them responded Oh wow You were out I was out Did you know that draft day Made less than One million dollars Outside of America Yeah I do know Cause I don't rub it on I had a I mean it's not really surprising

[00:14:09] Cause it's a very American movie Do you know that outside of America The poster was just My face Which I told them Not to do Huge mistake Huge You got a character poster That was actually No it was just me

[00:14:20] And they didn't even put my name on it They just wrote some Jew Draft day What was the like Character quote on your character poster Cause you know how character posters Have that Including the Christopher Robin character Posters It was excuse me sir

[00:14:31] Yeah I wouldn't see that movie Weirdly Garner is actually On the European posters With Costner Yeah cause I think they had to sell it As more of a romance And less of I remember that photo shoot I was there watching in the wings

[00:14:44] I was watching the photo shoot Going like And they don't Want me in there right I'm just double checking They don't want me in the photo To your point Which I feel like It's probably the end of this train Of thought

[00:14:55] I had intended to do that this week And stay in Los Angeles Where I was for the premiere And I was too sad And I didn't feel like going at all And I almost didn't And I left immediately Cause I just didn't feel like Being out there

[00:15:06] And doing what you just described Came right here into the studio I came home Very very late And then woke up the next day Had a little bit of a day Watched taking wood stock And now I'm here And I'm glad that this was planned

[00:15:17] So that I could Cause previously I would have watched it Like you know If this the other time You'd suggest that I would have had To have watched it before I left And I would have forgotten Everything about it by now

[00:15:25] So I'm glad that this movie has been Watched within the last 24 hours I just think that That drop is so It's like the most depressing slap In the face thing When the industry is just like Oh we literally don't care About you anymore

[00:15:38] And it's such a dime turn And especially when you Barely have the currency To begin with Well I'll let you know This is what you're I mean you're saying This is what I'll feel like This is not going to happen to you Alex We'll see I'll call

[00:15:50] I'll like phone in Like a little five minute addendum In the next five weeks That's how you're feeling Do you want to drop it in right here? Well maybe We'll see Well Ben reminded me To call in With this update That I promised when we

[00:16:05] Recorded a month ago And the truth is That nothing really has changed As we predicted Movie has done fairly well As of this calling Made about 90 million dollars But nothing has changed I heard from some people From odd reaches of life Who saw it which was nice

[00:16:27] But as we predicted In the previous bit of conversation You heard nothing really Changed for me yet May still but Griffin was right It doesn't really work out that way Thanks for reminding me to Do this Ben And enjoy the rest of the episode Alright, wow well

[00:16:46] There was the pause for it There was the pause I hope I hope it you know what It's just a cool thing to be released Yeah Were you happy with the phrases On the character posters? Don't remember what they are I think I'll bother probably

[00:17:00] I'll go ahead and say probably I remember them not being very Pony which is good It's not a punny movie No but like a lot of times with animal movies Anything that's animal adjacent They'll just use the like Fast and the furrious I'm seeing no phrases

[00:17:17] It's all image you know I feel like because each of the four You're piglet but it's all like negative space Which I actually kind of like the Negative space poster because I think it draws your eye Usually I feel like at least for those four

[00:17:29] Each one has a catch phrase That would be on there anyway So they don't have to think of some punny line Right, they've long established Sort of bits these guys Who are your guys? Yeah, yours my guy Yours is pretty great

[00:17:43] E. Or got a lot of love at the press Screening at least There was a lot of happiness Was that the character you found easiest to write? No it was Pooh Really? Yeah by far Are you Pooh like, you know do you have that kind of

[00:17:55] I aspire to be You are pantsless right now Yeah Just came in and got comfortable Did you, because you nailed the Englishness This is actual praise for me It's the highest praise Because I was thinking about it When I was watching this movie

[00:18:06] And I was sort of like There aren't any English people involved In the like create Writing and directing of this movie David, I have to remind you We retired this bit You can't talk about this anymore For crying out loud You asked us to retire the bit

[00:18:23] So I don't understand why you keep on trying to We retired the bit But I am still allowed to talk about my life I would even say that you seem like You're more comfortable doing it now knowing that Right But he's done this twice now

[00:18:36] This would have been the ideal time to do that Because you're immediately authenticating The Englishness of something David, you are allowed to talk about your life You're just not allowed to start the bit You can't initiate the bit Because we retired You think a lot about the Englishness

[00:18:50] Like when you were Man, get your cards out They like brought in like a kind of English Expert at some point To sort of like check the The Ps and Qs of the geography In certain names No, I understand that Yeah, of course That's not what I mean

[00:19:08] I don't mean the vibe of like post-war Stressed out English people No, it was just in there It just felt organic I mean, it's sort of, I mean, whatever I don't want to talk about because Fine I'm not talking about taking what stock I know you do

[00:19:23] And I'm not trying to interview you That is fair I just was so happy You know, my dad grew up Post-war England David It's a stressed out time David, you're a little cock No, excuse me I want, I am talking about

[00:19:35] My father is not part of the bit You're allowed to talk about your father Yeah, who is English? David No, no, no, no It's not part of the bit The bit is me, not him I got you You're really splitting the bit here All right, all right

[00:19:49] Much like a man from Taiwan Making a movie about Woodstock I just kind of went with my gut Right That's good Let's hope it pays off better Than taking Woodstock Well, it paid off for a mill to start How many, how many awards

[00:20:03] How many Oscars did she get for this? She got 15 mil plus 40% of first dollar I just need all the money Your character has under the floor Jesus Christ The lady is loaded This is the one right after Les Caution Yeah So he's 2,092 years later

[00:20:19] Right, he's kind of running on Like a big enough blank check That he gets like a second Well, and also my guess is The Hollywood is kind of like Yeah, okay, you made the Asian movie I mean, okay But you want to make a

[00:20:30] Brokeback Mellon II or whatever Make a proper one Oh, it's a gay character in the forest Around lawns? I mean, this is a focus movie Yes So I don't know They have done to Brokeback Right, I'm taking my headphones off Who released, did they not release Les Caution?

[00:20:45] I don't know I can't remember While you're looking that up Let me pause at my theory Dovetailing off of this They did, they distributed it Yeah, sure I felt like watching this That Brokeback Mountain Must have been enough Of a windfall That essentially both Ang Lee

[00:21:02] And James Sheamus got a blank check Ang Lee went home and made Les Caution A two and a half hour long thriller Or whatever Sex thriller Sex thriller Sort of And then James Sheamus used his portion Of the check to make this movie

[00:21:14] I think that's a really good tip I think that's it, yes That's for me very clearly Watching this last night Yeah, yeah I think that's a really good tip This really does feel like Sheamus' passion project Yeah, you kind of feel like He maybe wishes he directed this

[00:21:24] And I've also read a lot of interviews With him where when they go over The career and they ask him Like what happened there What was up with that And he says like I think we just realized People didn't want to see An Ang Lee comedy

[00:21:36] Like they got confused Seeing Ang Lee's name on a comedy Which is a weird theory Which is confusing because there's no jokes In this movie Right, that's the problem It said it's not a comedy And like James You don't write comedies that often Either

[00:21:48] Right, but he would present it As if it was like People saw the trailer And were like, God This looks so funny And then the name Sheamus and Ang Lee camp at the end And they went, well never mind then Like the deterrent was who had made it

[00:22:01] Rather than it not looking funny I think he's also He's kind of fascinated with Like the 60s and counterculture Right, and like Jews and hippies Interacting, I don't know All that stuff But you know, I guess It also makes sense We were talking about before this

[00:22:18] That Ang Lee lives close by to there Sure You know But Brookback was a big Windfall Like I think we don't think about how well that movie performed Especially with the sort of notion of the glass ceiling On gay films up until that point Yeah, it did great

[00:22:37] We talked about it on that episode And that was only a couple years after Crouching Tiger broke like every fucking record So he's in this state now where like Even though Hulk kind of bounced It is like

[00:22:49] I guess it can't predict which Ang Lee movies are going to do well Which is how he achieves weird blank check status Is that it's like every once in a while One of this guy's movies breaks outside the box And super overperforms

[00:23:02] And they aren't the ones that you can predict So I guess he just got to give them the check I mean, that's like you mentioned Cleesewood earlier In terms of other Right It's like the same thing He can release three bad, unsuccessful movies in a row

[00:23:14] And any other movie of his people always be like But that one Right We could have a grand terino on our hands Or whatever American Sniper Or could be Jersey Boys Right Hey Jersey Boys made money Or could be like Hereafter Which like doesn't exist You know

[00:23:29] Much like this movie Yeah Yeah, guys like that is just like a weird filmography It's hard to predict when they're going to connect Yeah But this I don't know I remember This feels like a movie that someone got fired off of

[00:23:44] And he came in at the last minute But it's not It's not which is so strange It also feels like one of those things we're like But it would never work though Because no one would get fired off this movie

[00:23:53] Like adding Andy Shankman doesn't get fired off this movie in the studio It's like Why don't we call Ang Lee and see if he wants to make this Like they wouldn't do it I guess they'd call Andy Shankman

[00:24:01] This feels like one of those things where it's just like Well, there's just kind of not a movie there Like I can see how they'd be like Oh, this story is kind of interesting If someone gives you the five minute version of it

[00:24:11] Isn't it funny how this guy was instrumental In taking Woodstock When it's really in planning Woodstock But then when you actually stretch it out to this distance Like the guy wrote a book about his experience His sort of memoir about the time

[00:24:26] Which a lot of people said was totally full of shit Yeah, and I also can't imagine it being a very engrossing book to read Because this book is, and movie is not about the planning of Woodstock Woodstock is planned off screen and happens off screen

[00:24:38] It's sort of just a bunch of incidents that happen That aren't very It's sort of like Woodstock adjacent kind of And the movie is kind of Housing people who went to Woodstock it could be called The movie is stunningly lacking both dramatic and comedic tension

[00:24:51] Like it could pick a lane so easily and be like The Woodstock's the backdrop for this guy's inner struggle and journey This helping him realize who he is Which the movie kind of pointedly doesn't do Because his memoir is about how he had been in the Stonewall riots

[00:25:05] And they had like sort of awakened him to like being more openly gay And none of, I mean like a lot of this stuff is just sort of like whispered in the movie The movie deals with the sexuality very strangely

[00:25:17] And the other thing is the beginning they're setting up a very conventional like That scene with him and his sister who if this movie was made two years later would have been Jenny Slate And also should have been, felt like a deleted scene

[00:25:28] I love watching movies where there's a deleted scene in the movie Yes, the best They just forgot it But that scene where she's setting up like Oakhears' apartment It's being packed up in boxes He wants to be a designer And like all this stuff, the struggle

[00:25:43] And then he just sort of becomes like a lump for the rest of the movie Until at the end he's like fucking I'm leaving It doesn't really feel like there's any sort of like internal journey in between those two points

[00:25:51] Right because at the end of the movie he's like my parents are idiots and annoying And we're like yeah we know We watch the movie And by the way I feel like considering the movie already starred Dimitri Martin That could have been Jenny

[00:26:02] She could have been in there anyway 100% And then King Lee was hanging out and inviting them up And he was like I got it So in America after Les Couch and I need to go to Rafifi and see who's hot Because I'm casting this movie

[00:26:14] Dimitri Martin, I guess he'd been in The Rocker Can we talk, this is the big thing I want to talk about Because I was die hard Dimitri Martin at the time My fandom for Dimitri Martin I was like not, where were you on that?

[00:26:27] I liked him, I saw him a lot at comedy shows Earlier than this like 2005, 6, 7 And I always was happy to see him But I would never have been like oh he's playing somewhere for $25 I would never have been able to go to that

[00:26:40] This was the tail end of my Dimitri Martin is my guy And you were speaking on behalf of America, the industry and everyone in general Well that's what was weird is that I did feel like I would go to those $25 shows

[00:26:51] I spent my 18th birthday seeing Dimitri Martin with my mom at one of those shows You know I will never forget being in college in another country but still Watching The Daily Show And him doing one of his little, remember he would do those segments

[00:27:06] His first ever segment where he says, he's talking about like the youth And he says to someone like start this sentence and then just stares at them Rather than finish it And us just being like that's the funniest thing we've, like you know

[00:27:18] Him like cracking our brains open So I was all in on him for like one year And then I was just like he just does the same thing over and over again And I got like so sick of him I was out on him very fast

[00:27:28] I think I had four or five years He's cute though Where he was my guy He very much spoke to like teenage Griffin There was a level of like the post-modern sort of like I'm gonna push the boundaries of what this thing is

[00:27:41] The craft that went into it And also just I was super into that kind of earnestness and sincerity He was also one of those people who was deceptively old Like he was already like 37 That was the crazy thing I'd hear about him

[00:27:52] Cause I'd have like older friends like in the comedy scene When I was like the 16 year old like going into the UCB And then I knew the people who were like 30 And they'd be like that guy's like older than me

[00:28:03] And I sat next to him at a bar and he's really weird He's weird And then I remember Marin despised him Correct Like as a concept more than not as a person It's one of the best Marin stories of all time

[00:28:14] The early WTF stories like this fucking guy with his guitar Like you could just tell he hates him He came in with a fucking skateboard No one of my favorite Marin being an asshole stories Is that Dimitri somehow got past at the comedy cellar

[00:28:27] Despite that not being the kind of place that would seem to be welcoming of him Because he was so different There was no one else trying to do anything He would do jokes about like graphs You wouldn't call him I would just make a graph Sure right

[00:28:39] The joke wasn't about the graph The graph was the joke The graph was the joke delivery system It wasn't like you ever noticed when you're looking at a graph That it was more like I'm going to draw a graph

[00:28:48] And if he made a graph joke it would be told using bells It wouldn't be He'd never use a graph for a graph He'd use one medium to tell a different joke But like I just remember his His Comedy Central Presents special was like

[00:28:59] He was the guy who figured out the commercial act breaks So that he made each act of his special very distinct structure And I was just like fuck this is what I want to do And I was like

[00:29:10] This sort of overlapped with me being in denial about wanting to be funny Like wanting to be a comedian You imagine how many comedians like yourself are on their way after watching that To staples to buy a pad of paper 100% me

[00:29:22] Suddenly staples became the hot place for young comics because of Dimitri Martin Office Max is like who are all these losers When I started doing comedy I was so prop heavy in that kind of way with like poster boards And like PowerPoint slides Quick question

[00:29:36] Were you the worst comedian of all time when you were doing that? Would you would you admit argue? No, I was kind of pretty good at that I would say honestly I became the worst comedian of all time after that Okay, fair

[00:29:48] Like I was pretty good at that And then I was like fuck I should try to do traditional stand up And then I was really bad for a while Oh you're a good stand up I'm bad for a while Okay, okay Past tense past tense

[00:29:58] I didn't know you back then probably Right No but I was doing my like Dimitri Martin ripoff stuff And it was working really well for a bit But I did feel that prejudice It is a little limiting Yes it felt a little limiting

[00:30:09] And it was also like I got to show up every night with my like bucket full of glitter and everything Like I just felt like a loser The night where I hit the apex was I Like Andy Kindler seething at you

[00:30:18] Yeah because I used to do this bit that was me doing like myself from the future I had time traveled back to give me my stand up routine For fuck's sake And the stand up routine was all about how I shouldn't do comedy

[00:30:29] And it was like delivered by the heroin addict Like Junkie living in a space car version of myself Who was trying to like rewrite the past So he wouldn't end up so destitute And I had like glitter and a time capsule and all this shit

[00:30:41] And it like did well And my agent was like sending it around to people And he was like great news This like new Comedy Central stand up show They really responded well they want you to do a showcase to maybe be on the show

[00:30:54] And I was like oh shit And I went to this showcase at traditional stand up club And I was like hey I'm at a Which I mostly wasn't doing I was doing like comedy theorist and basement bar somewhere And I was like hey I'm here for the showcase

[00:31:04] And they went you're here for the showcase And I went yeah And they went for the for the Def Jam showcase Oh my god And it was a show called Russell Simmons presents the ruckus That was him trying to do Def Jam at a different network

[00:31:18] Without the Def Jam name And I was the only white comedian Oh no You're the Jim Carrey Everyone else was doing traditional stand up And I was first up with a bucket of glitter How did that go? Horrible Cause what I would have done is quick comedy

[00:31:32] And possibly America Like I would have just fled the country It was so bad that it actually warped the rest of the show Because then every comment I wanted to be like what the fuck was that?

[00:31:42] Yeah because every comic was like this is my chance to get on TV I got a tight five I've been honing for years Right Let me just do the exact jokes I have planned And then they got on stage and had to address glitter for the first 90 seconds

[00:31:51] Cause it was still on the mic It was still on the stage Um let's First of all I don't want to know what the glitter was for I think it's better as a mystery 100% You just have a bucket and somehow it ends up everywhere

[00:32:02] Pointedly haven't told you why Yeah no I think it's better left unsaid Yes But the point is I think can you imagine what a sure thing it was For him being put in this movie Oh 100% Like can you imagine the enthusiasm where it's like You're this alt comic

[00:32:15] You've kind of broken out above a lot of your peers Yes The guy who just won people Oscars for his last American movie Right You're the guy, you're in the movie now Well and you talk about the $25 show thing When I was going to

[00:32:28] Him escalating to playing like rock clubs and things like that Right It was like he feels like he's maybe in the stage That Steve Martin was in right before the jerk Where he's just got such a loyal following for doing this weird post-modern thing

[00:32:41] And the question is like how is he going to translate it And I think he had done the Or he started doing important things Which Well important things like making this movie Important things is 0-9 this year Right Because I know that was like

[00:32:59] They had a great Mulaney wrote them that show There's some really good bits in that show It's not consistent But I think they signed him up for that show in 2006 John Stewart John Benjamin I think Bruno Yes Leo Allen All those guys

[00:33:13] John Stewart like developed like the three or four Daily show spin-offs he wants to do Set up in 2007 maybe And then the show took a long time to actually get made Because he booked this And it put everything on hold But the thing that happened before that

[00:33:28] Was he was going to play the second lead in Moneyball Right In Soderbergh's Moneyball Stephen Soderbergh's Moneyball It was going to be Brad Pitt and Demetri Martin Instead of And like Jonah Hill And then like David Justice was going to be the third lead Right

[00:33:42] Like he had the pitch where like the baseball players could just play themselves And he said there was a character that was like Clippy from MS Word Who was going to explain all the stats on screen He had like real life interviews It sounded insane

[00:33:53] And they pulled the plug in that movie a week before it started filming And it felt like Demetri Martin was in that state Was like okay he's getting a TV show Someone's going to figure out how to make him a movie star

[00:34:03] He had sold like three scripts to DreamWorks That were constantly like in development As of like four years ago Michelle Hasnovichas was going to make one of them with Zach Alifnakis and Paul Rudd Oh interesting He had a high concept movie of all time

[00:34:18] It wasn't the one that actually got made It was a different script that he had sold to DreamWorks And Spielberg was like this is great Pitch me more movies And I think Spielberg bought like three of his pitches

[00:34:28] So it was this notion of like even if he wasn't for everyone Somehow he's got like a youth audience Like 17 year old Griffin Newman in the palm of his hands Right so they knew they could count on you coming to see Any Woodstock movie he was in

[00:34:40] Right then Soderbergh was the guy who was like I'm going to give him a supporting part in a movie That movie falls apart But he had sort of gotten the sheen of like A serious director was going to give him a big role I guess he can act

[00:34:50] People assume So then when he was announced as the lead for this It was wow that's fucking strange But also I guess that means he's really got the goods That's the other Aang Lee thing Like when you hear that you weren't like That seems stupid and stunt casting

[00:35:03] You're just like I guess Yeah I put my faith in He knows what he's doing or whatever I really wanted to find like the you know IMDB trivia list of other actors That were considered I couldn't find anything Well the problem with it is like

[00:35:16] Just everyone's just decided not to care about this movie There's just nothing It's not like people even mean But if you just like If you look at Aang Lee's Wikipedia page It goes like Then he made lust, caution, paragraph And then after taking what's stuck

[00:35:28] He made life a pile Like there's just no acknowledgement of it really This movie is like the 13th floor of the building Where it just goes from 12 to 14 I really wanted to know who else could have been In the mix It's also weird to Jumping around

[00:35:42] But Adam Palley who I know is in this movie And he said something once about another performer And he was like This actor making this movie is like If Jim Carrey went from Living color to the majestic And I was like

[00:35:54] That's a great way to look at the arc of some people's careers And that's exactly what this is like It's like this guy is kind of poppin What should we put him in A super low key drama Instead of something that utilizes Anything people like about him

[00:36:06] It's a very odd situation Now the two things I think of are I think Sheamus said that he was the one Who kind of picked Dimitri Martin Because his daughter to showed him clips of a stand And I know I was in a stage

[00:36:19] Where I was like the annoying like Garden state like listen to this Will change your life person with like Dimitri Martin bits at parties for like An insufferable number of years I really think about somehow good it is That we weren't friends in certain years

[00:36:31] When you would put your headphones on Someone at the party would you describe The chart you were drawing Really coming in at a dude heart No, I agree with you Yeah exactly thank you That kind of person as a nightmare Excuse me

[00:36:40] You have to listen to this comedy bit At a party Excuse me Three comedy points to Alex He made a joke that you guys didn't even hear Because he was so busy dunking on me I'm sorry I'm sorry At the expense of the podcast

[00:36:50] Well this is your, I'm sorry I asked if one Griffin put his headphones on Someone at a party and said listen to this bit He was like now what he's drawing when he says this You can't see it because I recorded this Off of my TV

[00:37:00] But it's really funny he's doing this thing That's like a stick figure but it doesn't really look Like a person He's doing a joke about the shape Of the state of Wyoming For the record it was more me Making people watch YouTube clips Sure

[00:37:14] In the early days of doing that But it felt a little similar to me too I also if I met myself as at that age now I would never want to speak to him ever again Ben's nodding At that period of time

[00:37:27] It felt like he was kind of like where Bobon Burnham was a couple years ago Okay Where he had sort of like evangelical teenagers around him And the question of what he was going to translate it into And people sort of scoffing at the like

[00:37:38] What's the thing he's like cute Like what's the deal here But I want to say something Yeah Dmitri Martin is not Jewish That's shocking Which is crazy He's Greek He's Greek Orthodox I believe Yes I believe that is correct So to me it is It's not offensive

[00:37:53] But it's a little annoying to me In my head the narrative I've constructed Which is D.A. James James's kids show him Dmitri Martin He's like He's got a big nose Happy for the Jewish guy Yeah but he's Jewish though I mean sure Yeah he's obviously not

[00:38:07] He reads all those He reads all those Yeah I do have that thing though Where this came up in the In the subreddit recently With the Ruth Bitter Ginsburg movie Where it's like I like Felicity Jones a lot as an actress She just 100% doesn't read as Jewish

[00:38:22] She is horseshit casting And she might be good She might be good in it But Ruth Bitter Ginsburg feels like such an important Jewish figure I know I feel like her Jewishness Not religiously but culturally Is kind of like key to her existence

[00:38:34] That's where that's how I feel about Felicity Jones You feel like she is Her Jewishness is key to her existence It's key to her existence I see that personal and British skin Going back to David's question earlier About Christopher Robin And I just think Boy look at that

[00:38:47] Look at that Generous Generous is Jewish right I believe so yeah Generous is Jewish Because Mads Mikkelsen seems like he's Jewish too Right Exactly And her awful name was Generous Also first He shortened it when he was acidic And shortened it when he was hiding On that planet

[00:39:03] But I do like as As a big time New York cultural Jew I do have that Big time New York cultural Jew Big time New York cultural Jew I do have that I didn't realize we had Fran Leibowitz Yeah Yeah it's me and Fran Downtown Griffey Noom

[00:39:16] Downtown Griffey Noom I'm hanging out with Fran all the time Fran he leaps I do have that like Ping when someone's on screen And they're not Jewish And they're playing someone Who's like culturally Jewish Like this I noted it Two British actors And one Greek Orthodox guy

[00:39:29] And they're all At least the parents are I got no beef with Stanton And Goodman They're good I think they've done a pretty good impression Of it and they're doing the dialect I mean not the dialect They're doing the fucking accent pretty well

[00:39:40] Dimitri Martins is like selectively going Heavy on the gas With like Come on mom this is a concert here We can't have people And then sometimes it's just doing his normal voice Goodman is Jewish And he is I love him I mean I grew up with

[00:39:55] Oh I didn't know he was actually Jewish Yeah and Melvin Stanton is Irish As fuck Which is kind of funny Because she can kind of do whatever She does work Yeah I'm just happy to see Jewish characters In a movie I don't care who's playing them

[00:40:07] I just think it's cool for a movie To actually commit To be like these are some Jews As opposed to like the They came together joke Where it's like a vaguely Jewish leading man Yeah Like I like that it's just like These are Jews

[00:40:18] There's a random moment of a hate crime That has nothing to do with anything And never comes back It's really not made clear Why these people are Well the good thing that drives me crazy Is something like This is where I leave you Is that what it's called?

[00:40:28] This is where I leave you That's the one that drives me I thought you were about to say Something drives you crazy And just get up and leave You know what? Something drives me crazy This is where I leave you Hey Gord Griffin go

[00:40:37] This is where I leave you So I'm going to run down the cast of This is where I leave you We're almost done I'm sorry How about you I literally thought you were going to say The cast of taking what's that Well we could run down

[00:40:48] It's quite a cast This might be the episode where he bring back The performance review I mean, okay A lot of fails Yeah So the only Jew in the movie Is Corey Stoll Who is not someone you would be like That guy is definitely Jewish

[00:41:03] No I wouldn't fault that He is Jewish Catherine Hahn number two Catherine Hahn number two is not Jewish But is married to a Jew Yeah and kind of plays Jewish Much like Demetri Martin is Jewish Right exactly She's just there

[00:41:14] But Catherine Hahn also is married into the family You're right He's not one of the siblings I'm just going through the cast Right Adam Driver not Jewish But like I'll buy it Whatever But they go like That's literally casting room like What are you talking about

[00:41:28] He's got a lot of face He totally plays Jewish Exactly he's just He's got a lot of features Right it was fucking Then you got Tina Fey Jason Bateman And the other character Timothy Oliphant which is offensive Jane Fonda, Connie Britton, Rose Byrne

[00:41:40] None of these people are Jewish Now I have seen this movie Not all those characters Supposed to play Jewish I understand The ones who were really Supposed to be Jewish Bateman, Fey Fonda, Bateman, Fey Stoll Casting Jane Fonda as a Jew Is outrageous Right and then casting Jason

[00:41:54] Bateman and Tina Fey As her children Is absurd Tina Fey's also Greek So maybe there's some Greek Jew Thing that Hollywood can't figure out The difference between It's like the weird Like 1940s like He plays ethnic Right ethnic white guy Okay you know it could be from Brooklyn

[00:42:08] Well they're not blond So I guess they could be Jewish Put them in that shit pile With the hot dog parts You know like give them one cultural Signifier and suddenly they're Jewish Doesn't matter The cast of taking Woodstock on the other hand So you got Demetri Martin

[00:42:22] M.L.Destantin Coming off an Oscar nomination A couple years earlier 2005 years Yeah she'd done a Potter in between You're right it's four And again like Giving a performance that everyone Was just like this is it This is it You're gonna win something for this You're going

[00:42:37] And then right Right up to that stage For his third lead He picks venerable British theater actor Henry Goodman Yeah Lea Shriver Who comes in late and hot He overshoots the runway one might say Jonathan Groff Well cast Probably the best casting in the movie

[00:42:58] I mean I don't love the performance Yeah it's good But he's pretty good at real gaming I have Lea appearing at 56 minutes Wow That sounds right In a two hour movie I watched this movie in two parts Like a morning evening

[00:43:10] And him entering was when I turned it off You turned it into more of a mini series Yeah exactly And he said this is where I leave you Eugene Levy Who I think is maybe the best performance In the movie I was bummed when he sort of disappears

[00:43:24] When's he bad I know but I really Praying down the house Trailer I haven't seen the movie But he's certainly bad Hey Alex No you're right He tanked it in the trailer Alex you got me straight tripping boo I was waiting Waiting for

[00:43:37] I'm glad someone brought it up You got me straight tripping boo One of the most horrible sentences To ever have been unleashed upon American culture And yet a sense that made You're gonna spend a few cut out me saying When's he bad He's bad all the time

[00:43:49] What am I talking about I can't tell what's worse Do you want to Whatever the line was Do you want to go see What the center of the universe looks like Or you got me straight tripping boo You got me straight tripping boo

[00:43:57] Is the number one worst of all time I believe you're a pizza the second time At the end of the movie When he spun around in a chair You got to have corn roast You got me straight tripping boo Is also the worst line

[00:44:07] To ever make a movie $100 million Which is what that line probably did No it's what I'm saying But like that was 100 mil I was gonna say That's the thing that pushes That movie to 40 opening weekend Is people could not get over You got me straight tripping boo

[00:44:21] Like Spielberg will say like Jaws It's like 50% the score You know he'll like break it down Like that movie's success is like That's stupid line Well you remember Boo Fever I mean kids couldn't stop tripping boo After that movie Jeffrey Dean Morgan Adam Pally Paul Dano Kelly Garner

[00:44:37] Mamie Gummer Dan Fogler Skyler Austin It keeps going Fogler is that far down Because I feel like Fogler is Well but see that Alright Fogler Well we can talk about it Cause on the poster it's Dimitri first and then the rest Of the cast alphabetically

[00:44:50] So Fogler is actually second It's also impossible to read Any credits on the poster Cause it has the tie die Bendy Paul Dano I thought was uncredited And then I realized he's just not In the main credit block Which feels very weird His part is small

[00:45:05] But he was already like a big deal At this point Yeah I think maybe they just thought To have his appearance Be a surprise or something It also feels like a scene that Was added later This movie is so fucking weird

[00:45:16] It's like when there was a whole scene Where nothing happened in the movie It's like a whole scene where It's like oh you don't have a scene Where the main character trips In the Woodstock movie Let's just get a green screen With the sky and then shoot

[00:45:26] Like a 40 minute trip sequence In a van And let's just get the You know Paul's blowing up from there He'll be blood Let's get him to like come over And you know the old axum in Hollywood It's I think Louis B. Mayer Was the one who said this

[00:45:39] Don't have characters trip Have characters trip boo If you want to make 100 million You can play with Alex He's laughing at that No that was good It was great I just wanted to know where It was going cause it was It was gonna be good

[00:45:52] I mean it's coming from The guy who loves Eugene Levy Cause he's never been bad I mean come on David You're over here straight tripping boo And your definitive ranking Of all the Jim's dad performances In every direct to video American pie You're like when's he ever bad

[00:46:04] We've talked about this He brings it You're always when you're watching One of those you're like When's he showing up You know and then he's like It turns out I'm the camp counselor And you're like here he is So it annoys me tremendously That like at this point

[00:46:17] That's what he's doing Yes And then he's like well I'll do This kind of serious muted turn In the Yang Lee picture I'll have a pipe It'll be a very serious I'll have thick coke bottle glasses here It'll be a very serious supporting role

[00:46:28] And I'll really you know Show him that I've still got it And it's just so annoying Because it's just In service of nothing It's annoying cause he could Be doing this all the time And he said he's like I'm the executive director Of The Naked Mile

[00:46:38] Like I'm on the board Here you are in my library You wanna check out the book of love I forgot about that one You better be straight tripping boo I can't believe they didn't make Like 16 directa video Bringing down the house sequels Where he just has to like

[00:46:58] Live with different Bringing down the hotel Like you could just do Like a different place every time Like bringing down the Leisure Center Yeah the Woodstock Hotel He's just kind of bringing that down Eugene Levy is one of those guys Bring it in the cash

[00:47:10] He's one of those guys Where I don't fault him at all For cashing in that hard Because it's like Eugene Levy You're like one of the great underappreciated He only caches in 15 years after SCTV Like he had his More than Yeah exactly More than it's like he's like

[00:47:27] In his late 50s early 60s And suddenly becomes like a bankable guy Where it's like They'll pay you $2 million to show up For two days Right In the Olsen twins movie If you've had that much integrity For that long Why don't you just take that money

[00:47:39] And at least retire comfortably But you know what After the book of love He really throttled down He just doesn't make movies anymore He was in Medea's Witness Protection Right Above the title And then the next movie he made Was Finding Dory

[00:47:52] Which I didn't even know he was in He's Dory's dad And then he was in the Goon sequel But that's just because he's in Goon 1 And now he's in the Shitt's Creek That's his main son's TV show Right which people say is good actually

[00:48:02] Yeah I haven't watched that When you listed the cast Did you list a meal hurch I feel like you I did a list a meal hurch Yes I'm sorry It's a pretty insane cast Of people who obviously just wanted to be In an Ang Lee movie

[00:48:12] After Brokeback Mountain Despite the fact that not a single character Including I would argue the lead character Has any kind of an arc No And every single character you just listed Disappears from the movie With no resolution Yes every character is in it

[00:48:25] Kind of for a chunk enough That you're like Oh this is gonna build to something And then never appears again No Every single one And you kind of wish At a certain point you're like I wish they gave them the pat Shitty screenwriting 101 arc

[00:48:39] Free-shrame on a meal hurch And it's like Then he opened a pancake house And Bethel Not even that I just mean like A meal hurch is introduced as like Okay that's totally A fucked up nom veteran Nom that Right living in the van Humorously named Billy

[00:48:54] Right and you're like Okay what's the catharsis gonna be Is it that You know like Dmitri's gonna help him Like regain his peace Which he kind of does I would argue it's the theater troupe That causes him to regain his Right he's into the theater troupe

[00:49:07] But the character when he's introduced You're like He's just amused by them I feel like Is he gonna be the magical PTSD fairy who like somehow Teaches Dmitri the lessons And then he kind of There's no lessons And they're like What about your mom

[00:49:19] The lesson of this movie Is that Dmitri's mom is like A skin flint And he should leave Like that's the only lesson Well that's The thing we're talking about here is This is one of the Least effective lead performances In major film ever And coming from like

[00:49:34] Feel bad He seems like a nice man He does too And it's one of those things where It's like I'm watching And I'm like I don't know if he's technically Doing anything wrong But it is just so thoroughly Uncompelling It's a horrible performance It's like a void

[00:49:46] It's a void but I'm watching And I'm like trying to figure out What the issue is There's a I mean It's a horribly written character It's not but still I feel bad because He made this movie called Dean a couple years back Which he directed

[00:50:00] She wrote and directed and starred in And it has this sort of Garden Stady vibe Because it's about like His mom dies And his dad has become this kind of Mean jerk He's played by Kevin Klein So obviously he's a mean jerk And like I don't know

[00:50:14] He goes on like an adventure to LA and meets women And it's like a horrible movie That I like completely despise But at the press screening Regular press screening Not festival He was there And like before the movie Started was like Hi, I worked really hard

[00:50:27] In this movie And I'm just so glad You guys are gonna watch it And I felt like so bad He seemed very nice And then I watched it And like hated it Anyway What did he do after this movie? He was in Contagion

[00:50:38] Oh right, so Soderbergh got him Right, Soderbergh like Gave him the like me a cul-p-a-roll I mean he did his TV show, right Right, he did two seasons of that He, yeah, he did He's in Take Me Home Tonight With Dan Fogler Which he's pretty funny in actually

[00:50:51] That movie probably shot closer to this Yeah, that was an old movie That movie shot in 07 That was like Tofer right off of Venom He's in In A World Yes, but she's actually good in I honestly don't remember a minute He's a love interest in that

[00:51:06] I remember that movie being cute He's a love interest in that He's actually charming in that But there's like a, there's gotta be Like a couple year gap there Even between Yes, oh 100% Yeah, In A World is 2013 And the 2011 release Was shot like four years earlier

[00:51:18] I went to A taping of important things Uh-huh Where he was saying Like in between set ups While he was just sort of like Riffing and talking to the audience He was like This show takes so long Because I just like

[00:51:34] I'm obsessed and I have to do everything And he was like on stage Preparing the props and everything And I think there was a part of him Where like doing that show kind of Broke him Because you know the crazy story About him that like

[00:51:50] He hit his like wall with stand up And is like I want to do a show Where like I made every single thing So I have to teach myself how To play guitar, teach myself how to draw And teach myself how to sew

[00:52:01] Because I only want to be wearing clothing That I made myself Which You sound like a nightmare I think it's charming But it's also It's the thing that like Mark Maron said Ben and I are so firmly united against you I know, I know You

[00:52:18] And I don't know Did I know you back then? No, certainly not Good Because you sounded really, really hard to hang out But Mark Maron and other people who were like Friends with him who would go on Mark Maron Would be like, yeah

[00:52:30] Dimitri Martin's one of those guys where we go like Thank God he's not a serial killer Because he's so obsessive and so thorough When he wants to do something That if what he wanted to do wasn't this innocuous It would be a nightmare for us

[00:52:41] The Maron joke which I never got to The best Maron slam of Dimitri Martin all the time Was Dimitri gets passed at the comedy cellar And he walks and carrying the skateboard He used to get there And a guitar and all the graphs

[00:52:51] And Maron just like over his shoulder says Hey, Dimitri You ever try writing jokes? It's just so funny to think of Maron Thinking of this guy as like a sort of Brooklyn carrot top, you know what I mean? The enemy, the enemy This is Gallagher

[00:53:09] This is Indie Gallagher Right But it is just weird Like here's the crazy thing So you were saying Oh, you cast in this movie Guarantee that 18-year-old Griffin Goes to see it, right? Not so fast I skipped this movie After being so excited for it

[00:53:28] Because the reviews were so negative And so critical of him Where I was like This is gonna bum me out to watch this And had avoided watching until last night So no one had seen this? No Yeah, I saw it

[00:53:39] Ben sent a funny email when he watched it We have to give some props to that email Yeah, I sent an email that said Can I give Woodstock back I mean there's no, you've taken it No, I don't want it anymore Well, Ben

[00:53:53] And let's also say the other thing was At first you watched the wrong movie Because you texted us and you said I didn't realize that Angly hit direct at Olympisket Concert Yeah, I got confused You watched Woodstock 99 I'm actually very upset that you mentioned that

[00:54:09] Because we used all of our time Prior to recording to just talk about nothing But I had wanted to set up And I bit that We would only acknowledge Woodstock 94 Oh man And we would say it's worth Yeah, and I forgot Well, no, it's my fault

[00:54:21] I've been thinking of this for weeks And I forgot to say let's You're like this movie is so anachronistic They sent Woodstock Let's 30 years earlier than it actually happened Just to say that there was that one And then one more Right

[00:54:31] It's crazy they only did this one more time I thought that would have been really funny But you've already, now I forgot it And now you're out there with Olympisket Sorry It is kind of astonishing to look At the set lists for 94 and 99 Like the drastic difference

[00:54:44] Like in music between those two Like it's not that long of a time But like Cheryl Crowe And like Metallica and Aerosmith Like you know, and then like it's like Fucking Limpisket And you know there's a whole subsection On the Wikipedia page titled violence I just remember Woodstock 99

[00:55:04] Insane clown posse, corn Yeah I remember, I mean Woodstock 99 was kind of Twisted Quite twisted I do remember the news covering Woodstock 99 as if it was 9-11 Like there were a lot of like They'd play the clips And they'd cut back to the main anchor And he'd go

[00:55:20] Where did we lose our way? And it would be like footage of two guys Like brutally like decking each other In the mud And it was just mud and blood Well like corn was on stage But they're weird And it's not even with complete approval

[00:55:33] Where are you there Ben? Mike Stanton I wasn't, I wanted to go Because it does when you, here it described It does sound like a scheme To exterminate the nation's youth Because it's like you were not to bring in water And water bottles of water cost four dollars

[00:55:47] There's that bit in this movie Where Eugene Levy is like They're charging a dollar to fill up a bottle A dollar for a water That really got my goat I really hated that scene Oh it's terrible I was like, we're doing a bit about how

[00:55:59] Is he gonna talk about like shredded jeans next? Like what is this? Are you telling them water in bottles? Fees on tickets? But one thing that like They think they're the ticket master This movie also tries to like Explain that somehow to meet you Martin

[00:56:14] Accidentally made Woodstock free When like Woodstock was only free Because they were like we can't like Have a ticket guy Like it's too many people That was one of a couple things that like Fundamentally I'd avoided this movie because I So you didn't see it either?

[00:56:28] No, never until last night Wow Because A, I, yeah you called dips on it You were like five months ago That's why, that's why Because I was like this is a great opportunity To see this movie Like I was like that's a reason enough

[00:56:40] Because otherwise it'll never happen It's a great point there was no way I would ever seen this movie Did you buy it on Blu-ray? I signed up for a seven day free trial Of Cinemax to watch this movie Which I better cancel Or also I'll pay ten dollars

[00:56:51] To watch this movie Yeah, I rented it in SD Which I don't regret I rented an HD Some decent transfer It just wasn't worth the extra dollar Because I knew it wouldn't be worth it But I always avoided it Go T.A. Simmons cinematography

[00:57:03] I'm sure it looks slightly better I just avoided it because I hate hippies I hate baby boomers And I hate nostalgia for this era I know how much you hate hippies We've talked about hippies before Why do you hate hippies? For obvious reasons Because all that music sucks

[00:57:17] This entire era is something I hate All that music sucks Yeah, I'm loving this Get out of here No metal, there's no good music there Are you serious? Yeah, I am I thought you'd be on board with this No, it's like the best time for music

[00:57:30] No, it's like a secret hippie It's off by like ten years What? If there was like a Woodstock 79 It would have been like good And 89 would have been my Woodstock Can you guys have a bloodline fight please? Bloodline fight please

[00:57:40] Woodstock 89 would have been nothing but stuff I like Right Unless it was like synthie 80s bands But I just like, I don't You're a metal guy Yeah, and like, you know Punk that would have been forming at this time So I hate this era Yeah, I know

[00:57:54] But see, that was a different time for music Where like, that wouldn't happen Because that was like a That wasn't mainstream music This was a time when mainstream music Was really good Get a job And it wasn't divided like it is now

[00:58:12] Like there were, everyone was going to see Like a guy playing a bongo, a sitar And then like Peter Paul and Mary It was like such a mishmash of different kinds of musicians It was such a cool amazing time I'm honestly shocked that you're so

[00:58:27] I thought you would be like a strict like, you know You're talking about black flag before we started recording I thought you'd be like, yeah all that hippie shit sucks It's not for me Guys, you can cut the tension in this room

[00:58:36] I don't care, I'm very surprised, honestly No, I've always been like Sure, I've had my time where I'm like fuck hippies Me too, I've been living in since I was 12 years old Going on 22 years and feeling that My dad and my mom were hippies They went to Woodstock

[00:58:52] Sure, sure, sure I grew up with that That's so funny because you always describe your dad As this kind of straight lace guy But then you talk about like he does love the sci-fi He's got that sort of edge to him, right?

[00:59:02] Well, he's like, he's just an angry dude He's an angry hippie So yeah, at some point he So when he saw Woodstye99 he's like That's what it should have been Should have been a little bit more anger A little more fighting

[00:59:14] My parents are very adjacent to that too And my dad's always worked in classic rock radio Oh, interesting And that's led to me not liking classic rock Right, right And especially when we were younger Yeah Like that was what owned the classic rock station

[00:59:28] But I think my mom went to Newport But not Woodstock or something like that But yeah, I just I've always hated everything about The nostalgia for this era And I'm glad that after this movie It like disappeared from the culture

[00:59:41] Which I'm very excited to try to figure out I feel like between Forrest Gump and this It was a viable thing you could sell You're right My theory last night was that The failure of Across the Universe in this movie Ended all of that for mass cultural

[00:59:54] Like 16th nostalgia died And then all of a sudden people that age Had to only see movies about people their age Finding love again Alright, I'm pulling at David, Sims Cause I'm realizing that like Eugene Levy Hippies suck, okay A lot of this stuff

[01:00:12] I actually am realizing now kinda sucks But I just have a soft spot for it But do you just think about the fact that The last four acts at Woodstock were Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young The Paul Butterfield blues band Shaanana and then Hendrix

[01:00:27] That's what he's talking about Where it was just like, Shaanana wants Alright, sure, go do an hour, Shaanana And I guess that like even if it's not your kind of movie The like, correlation between The most popular bands Also being the most respected bands

[01:00:43] That they were kind of one in the same Regardless of how they've like aged Was a pretty unique phenomenon And it was like tied into a cultural movement It's like, you know, I don't know If like there were the bands right now

[01:00:58] That were so tied into like hashtag their resistance Which also were going platinum Sure And they all did a festival together It would feel like such an epic thing So I think like in a weird way Also this movie Not like demystifies Woodstock

[01:01:12] But this narrative that is kind of bullshit This movie does nothing Right, no, no, but this is This is kinda my argument Is that You know, it's a narrative That has been sold but this idea like Look how beautiful it was

[01:01:26] Like all these people came from all over Just to feel the music And it was just like the joy and pleasure of it And then this, it's like money guys coming in And helicopters, you know, they're like Right, it was still like some weird money bullshit

[01:01:38] But I think this movie gets it wrong Because Woodstock is weird Because it was a bunch of hippies Who had enough business acumen to be like If we threw a big concert We'd make a ton of money Right And then they made no money Yes

[01:01:50] Because it was a disaster Yes The concert is a disaster All you ever hear about is like It was fucking raining They were shocking each other Everyone's like drowning in mud Like it's terrible And then it is a lifelong cultural event That children still know the name of

[01:02:04] Right All because of a really good movie Mostly Yes Which is how they made all their money We're taking Woodstock by an angling Exactly what we're talking about today And that's how we bring ourselves Prior to this movie It was really like not known

[01:02:15] That Woodstock was a thing Yeah, exactly It's sort of the same thing with CBGB That movie Great two great films People had forgotten about it completely That movie came out And we were like, yes Yes, of course This was such an important time for me

[01:02:28] And then people later were like I always thought that people talked about that But I guess it was just after that movie came out I just remember seeing CBGBs in theater And going, wow I mean, I am seeing the film That is a turning point for a filmmaker

[01:02:40] This director is gonna end up in jail For involuntary manslaughter And I was right I was right I believe he's still serving to this day He's not out My point isn't just that I'm not saying people can't Or shouldn't think that this was like a cool thing

[01:02:54] Or good music My point is Nothing could ever be less for me Than like romanticizing this era And I think it is like Hey, Ness, the way that this has been sold To baby boomers starting with Faris Gunn And I was both incredibly nervous

[01:03:12] And then kind of pleasantly surprised That this movie has no music in it Really, yeah Which is incredible This movie That was when I started feeling like This feels like a movie that they were about to make And then they lost all the rights And then like

[01:03:25] The only rights they could have Was to say the word Woodstock And they couldn't get any music They couldn't get anybody's life rights There was only one real character in it It's also crazy because When the reviews were kind of People were like He avoids the concert

[01:03:38] And it's like There's already like a definitive documentary Of the concert We don't need to see that But this movie borrows That movie's most famous visual thing With a split screen Right, he's replicating the style of the film It's not like they're ignoring the concert Not at all

[01:03:53] But then what I was not prepared for Is how perversely They almost make a bit out of avoiding the concert It's not just like Okay, well the whole movie takes place in the hotel So of course he's not there No, my thing is that I already basically says

[01:04:04] Like they don't just avoid the concert They also avoid the planning of the concert And instead they make a movie about Neither of those things The concert is Wilson on Home Improvement It's just behind that fence That's funny This movie I was going to say is like

[01:04:18] Gareth Edwards Godzilla If there wasn't the Godzilla fight at the end Like the whole movie is him ramping up the tension Of like you're about to see the fight You pull back, you're about to see the fight You pull back So you're ready to explode

[01:04:28] Until when the final fight happens And this movie, the movie just ends Here's the plot of the movie Dimitri Martin is a guy Who lives in Bethel His parents are shitheads They run a hotel He takes what's up and a plot done No, no, he has

[01:04:40] He organizes a shitty music festival Over here so he has a music permit He's the head of the board of commerce But he also has an apartment in New York That he's lost because he's been paying to keep His parents are floating He wants to be interior designer

[01:04:52] He's gay He's not out of the closet But he's not in the closet Sure, a hot hippie played by Jonathan Groff Shows up and says Can we do Woodstock here? In a helicopter And he's like fine And they're like

[01:05:05] Here's a paper bag of money to book the hotel And he's like fine Thus ends any more dramatic stakes For his character I have written down that that character Shows up 28 minutes in Right, right And you know that it's based on the real guy

[01:05:16] Because he has the same vest and hair That you know that guy has Right, right And that's the end of that character's development He just looks like that guy You see him one more time And he seems really stressed out And you're like oh Is something gonna happen?

[01:05:28] It doesn't not He always plays the character Like he knows that this is going to be Woodstock Instead of some guy Who's barely holding a concert together You also skipped over Prior to the 28 minute mark That I noted when he shows up

[01:05:40] That a performance art troupe lives in Dimitri Martin's barn That's correct Led by Dan Fogler And they have a bit Where they all get naked Except for Dan Fogler Who wears a blanket around his midsection Hoitilly doesn't show dong And I was really mad about that

[01:05:52] I wanted to see that dick I really I just thought it was like just Whatever Did he think he was too big To just boy-wang? That's what annoyed me Cause Fogler was kind of at that moment Hollywood was like Well this is definitely gonna happen

[01:06:05] Like he was being put in everything It's true I mean this is the Fogler moment He had like six Kind of like either like Key supporting parts And like big comedy ensembles Balls of fury he was the lead in Ben Ding dong Perfect Ding dong

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[01:06:54] What is it again? I would say My greatest strength Is that I am a grinder I will do the job You hire me to do You know even if it hurts me And my greatest weakness I work a little too hard You know

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[01:10:08] I mean look now we don't even have to close the door Because I swallowed our guest You mean you don't have to reopen the door I'm still here Not anymore You ate the salt Well technically I ate the salt shaker Now I'm eating the salt Can we

[01:10:24] Now that you've eaten By the way that was The stupidest thing we've ever done I don't know what you had planned But Ben saved our lives It is so kind of you To assume That you had something planned Great moment Geez what was that

[01:10:49] In the middle of a Dan Fogler That was almost like a Dan Fogler character over there right That's good because people were just starting to lean in Being like here comes the Fogler files And then they're like I gotta wait

[01:11:01] I'll let me get some Fogler in my car For the rest of that Fogler bit Fogler's been in so many movies that sat on the shelf It's crazy because he was also in fanboys Right like take me home tonight That's an amazing distinction for an actor

[01:11:13] It's like I've actually been in more movies That sat on the shelf than any other actor It makes it look like he had a more dispersed career As a result Can I talk about take me home tonight for one minute Because I find it really fascinating

[01:11:25] I'm a fan of that movie I've never seen it Okay so Topher was in that period where everyone decided He was the next Tom Hanks and was doing round comps He was the first Ingrid company

[01:11:34] Right then he got Venom and they were like oh shit this guy's going to be a big fucking movie star So he went to Revolution which was still Like liquid at the time And was like every generation has their movie You mean that relativity Relativity yeah sorry

[01:11:45] He was like every generation has their movie I want to make American graffiti for the 80s So that was his pitch It was originally shot as Kids in America And it sat on the shelf for four or five years And every time they pushed it back here

[01:11:57] They changed the title to a different song from the 80s And the fact that set in the 80s is completely Irrelevant to the plot of the film Like he was like I want to make American graffiti if it wasn't about what was happening

[01:12:08] Or about to change in the culture And it's just a comedy about a guy pretending that he's rich to get the hot girl And he works at Suncoast Yes, he's a Suncoast guy who pretends that he works at Morgan Stanley

[01:12:18] And then Dimitri Martin's actually a Morgan Stanley guy I remember thinking Dimitri Martin's good in that movie I think he's really good in that movie I think he's actually really funny in that movie playing an asshole Can you remember, can you name the tagline of the film?

[01:12:31] Take me home tonight? Best.night.ever And then Chris Pratt and Anapharis got married Because they met on the set of that movie Right, the other crazy thing with that movie That all worked out Yes, for everyone

[01:12:44] The other crazy thing with that movie was they edited the trailers together To make it look like Anapharis was his best friend character Who you're like oh he's She's the one that he's going to ultimately end up with Not the hot popular girl Theresa Palmer

[01:12:57] And then the movie starts and they're siblings And they had pointedly deceptively cut the trailers to make it look like I can't believe you're going to marry this jerk Right, right, right Like I said you don't really love him That's weird

[01:13:10] Ben looks like no, you've exceeded the minute We're not talking about the movie anymore The other thing would take me home tonight The other thing is that he announced on Kiss FM Toe for Grace That one percent of the film's box office would be donated

[01:13:21] To someone who had just suffered a severe car injury So it's like $70,000 I don't remember where I heard this joke It was a lot I guess I don't remember where I heard this joke But I remember when the movie came out Some website was like

[01:13:36] Take me home tonight fails to make Eddie money at the box office Which I... Whoever came up with that I thought was incredibly funny Great point But around this point in the taking Woodstock I wrote two things Let's run through your notes You probably got better at this

[01:13:53] I just was writing down notes because I kept realizing 15 minutes had passed and I hadn't made a single thought I wrote down three things Town is turning on him Then I wrote quote, what is an Ang Lee movie Why would he make this?

[01:14:05] And then I wrote occasional Hulk-esque split screen Which I crossed out and wrote from the dock I was like, oh that's interesting The first time it happened I thought it was a Hulk thing I was like oh that's cool He's in Ang Lee's into that

[01:14:16] And then I was like oh no right This is from the Woodstock movie I will say it is weird and that's one of those movies That just kind of happens Where it's not like I'm sitting there going like God what the fuck is going on here

[01:14:25] You're just like this is still not a movie But you're just like I guess Like when it does switch between like okay It's two hours of I guess I'm not mad Right, there's one moment I really like in the film Which I think is the long motorcycle sequence

[01:14:40] Of the cop trying to take him closer to the concert I liked that too I liked it more when it was in weekend It is his total rip-off of weekend Right But I think it's pretty well done This should have had a scene though

[01:14:52] Where Demetri Martin eats a sandwich And then like a voiceover talks about Marxism For ten minutes I thought like He really wanted to take the weekend thing all the way I felt like as much as I enjoyed that moment That was like the first of several times

[01:15:03] That I was like this motorcade Is their only set piece in this movie Right, this is where all the money went The only thing they could do with their money Was rent 200 antique cars And then just string them out on the road

[01:15:15] It's just there's so many people in this movie Like so many like fucking bodies In and out In it And you're just like Right, this must have just been like two months There's one of many people in this movie Who I'm like oh I know that person

[01:15:26] I didn't know they were in this movie That I'd never seen I genuinely had no idea she was in it And she's in it for like two minutes But then when I saw her I was like I guess I kind of remember

[01:15:34] Seeing this on her IMDb at some point I mean it's a real movie That came out Yeah, there are a lot of people who like Are in this before Like four or five years before they start to connect And there are a lot of people like

[01:15:45] Amil Hirsch is doing this like essentially Right after Speed Racer So I think they thought like Oh man, this is going to be like getting top gun Tom Cruise And milk and he had just been Oscar No, but he'd been into the wild

[01:15:57] So he's been like critically awarded Right, he was like two massive years And then this is the beginning Of him sort of going off the rails But again you get the sense that it was like Oh supporting Roland and Ang Lee movie This could be big

[01:16:08] This could be it For sure And he's playing a Vietnam vet So maybe it's like right Very tortured or interesting Yeah, remember the scene about According to my notes 45 minutes in after the hippies show up When the mob tries to rub them down for money

[01:16:21] And one of the guys is the editor From House of Cards Then there's two minutes of Henry Goodman Like wailing on them with a bat But not hitting them Like he just sort of swinging wildly It just becomes like you know Punch your own glove for a minute

[01:16:33] Where he's just smashing stuff Right and yeah And that's the completion Of that earlier scene with his sister Where she was like what about that money The mob owes you And it was like the mob owes him For decorating something Come on

[01:16:47] And he's like that's not really the way The mob works when they're paying you For decorating their business Right and he says it like a joke And you're like that's not a I don't care But there is a scene in this movie Where the mob

[01:16:59] That's like one of dozens of things That you're like this probably happened Right It's probably in this guy's book Doesn't mean it's interesting And then they were just like Well we got to get that part In there where like the mob shows up

[01:17:09] And we got to get that part in there Where there's like this guy who was in drag Who was the security guard Right it's that concept of like What a crazy soup this is With like you can believe all the stuff That was happening

[01:17:19] If you were at a And in the backdrop of Woodstock The famous concert with Shana Na playing If you were at a bar with this real guy I just think it would have been great If the only music they did was Shana Na

[01:17:30] I get it you love Shana Na Get a job I refuse I'm on workman's comp my friend Filed the paperwork yesterday I'm broken Thank you If you were at a bar Or like a cocktail party And this guy over drinks told you this story For like 15 minutes

[01:17:50] You'd be like that's crazy You were at the center of all this All these characters If you were telling it just an anecdotal form If you read a review of the book Or a synopsis of the book You'd be like oh shit we should option this

[01:18:00] And I feel like this is one of those things Where like someone optioned it Someone should have just stopped them And been like yeah okay but Demetri Martin You have to imagine him at the center of it And they're like oh not it

[01:18:09] They'd be like oh he's popping That sounds great I'm not even saying that I'm saying I can imagine someone seeing The announcement of this book being released Going like that sounds like a fucking movie Buying the rights Then actually reading the book

[01:18:21] And going oh there's no story here And it feels like it never would have been made into a movie Unless someone at Ang Lee's power was like I think I can do this I'd like to do a comedy Which feels like him kind of going

[01:18:32] I'd like to do a lighter thing maybe And this somehow landing on his sphere I did see some shameless quote where he's like We had done four really dark sad movies in a row We wanted to straighten it up Around this time

[01:18:42] I mean you're really blowing through the plot But you're right there's nothing But like his family's business seems to be failing Right they have this hotel There's the scene at the bank Where the bankers serve alternately Like you guys are so annoying You owe us so much money

[01:18:56] And like I'm sorry I'm trying to help Like there's that They accuse him of anti-Semitism And the hotel should close They play that card a lot And this hotel should close When the health inspector shows up And they're like can you believe this health inspector

[01:19:10] I'm like you poured bleach in the pool Like you're a criminal You don't change the sheets You're a maniac I do like in the first scene When the guy's complaining The guy from Frasier The hoity-toity Englishman You know I like any sign gag

[01:19:26] No towel as he points to the one dollar There was no towel And he points to a sign towel At that point 90 seconds in I was like this is funny Melda's breaking balls Melda's got a sign gag This movie has a lot of promise

[01:19:40] You're thinking like there's going to be more signs And see now There'll be additional signs Which is a very big part He should have been doing the sign gag He should have been making a graph of the signs What if he was like

[01:19:49] I love this good day seven one and thing Can there be a sign gag Where she points to something That comments on what's happening Here's the weird thing On one hand This opening sequence Is maybe the most purely entertaining part Of the movie

[01:20:02] There's like a little comedic juice And a little like fucking spice in it Because I'm least so funny There's a tiny comedic juice In Hussein Oh sure yeah Okay Melda's tiny Yes But on the other hand It kind of breaks the movie Because after that point you're like

[01:20:18] I don't care if this fucking place stays open That asshole's in the business is bad It's funny and like a faulty tower Right on a hotel movie But it doesn't even really Because like I said It kind of breaks the movie That Graf just buys out the hotel

[01:20:32] Yes Because then there's no worry about Like making the hotel nice And it all serves So final twist that she had the money anyway She had the money anyway Which is like hey they don't curve the wind So subtly like

[01:20:42] He just sees her with a pile of money But I'm thinking like Oh is that just the money Graf gave them Right And it's like no she had more money Okay in terms of what it is I mean I thought she was dead I thought she was dead

[01:20:53] What's that She choked on money No because she swam in the bleach pool We'll get to the iconic Emelda Stotton tripping on Pop Brownie's scene When we got there Four That was half the trailer in my memory Right and the line that I remember I just feel like

[01:21:08] There was a point like Where he kind of you know Is like I'm gonna bring this together And then everything kind of seems to be working out There's well we haven't talked about Why I brought in all this chocolate milk For everybody Oh why

[01:21:17] We've been drinking chocolate milk the whole time We've been drinking chocolate milk the whole time Because essentially like It's revealed that the reason Woodstock happened Is because of chocolate milk Yes Right So I brought chocolate milk for everybody Dimitri was originally gonna offer like His parents land

[01:21:31] Which is like a fucking swamp land And there is a good gag where a guy starts walking out into it And then falls into a puddle and disappears He does some really good comic flailing Which I thought was actually very funny It is insane

[01:21:42] Yeah that was kind of funny That this movie though has like Maybe four jokes in total And that's one of them And it's good And then they're like We can't have the concert here This is a swamp And then they think what about Chocolate milk

[01:21:53] Jim's dad is next door And he's organizing the naked mile He's reading the book of love And everyone is like This is good chocolate milk Yeah And they say well they make it next door With these great like you know Upstate cows And this great upstate grass Right

[01:22:05] As long as you're cleaning up And paying me $5,000 And then it's like Okay here's the thing Great The whole movie has no conflict now Then he pulls out And then they just resolve it Well then he just up charges them Right What's interesting about that Is they say $5,000

[01:22:18] And then Dimitri Merton goes home With his bag of cash And he shows his parents He's like we're good And then Eugene Levy calls And he's like I just saw a thing About this concert you're hosting At that point I was like Where? Yeah

[01:22:31] Like where is this guy getting his news? It's the cold spring press Yeah, I just checked Twitter But at that point I was like Oh that's weird They kind of skipped over This important detail About how the word is getting out That Woodstock has changed locations

[01:22:44] To be clear He's asking them for Half a million dollars In like 75 grand then Is like a $500,000 Yeah It's like a lot of money It's a lot of money Can we talk about Let's not bury the lead here Alex Ross Disney Brought the three of us Horizon Organic

[01:23:02] Chocolate Low-Fact Milk A gentleman's drink You're burying the lead To whatever joke this is Comes in with his High class High thread count Soylent chocolate milk No I feel really bad about this Modernist bottle Cause I roasted Alex for this And then I realized

[01:23:18] Like he did go to the effort To get this nice chocolate milk That's good stuff Like I said I didn't bring you who The point is I couldn't find The silk chocolate milk that I like And I've never had Soylent This is undrinkable I've consumed half a glass

[01:23:29] And I'm not going to finish it It's undrinkable but that bottle With the sort of brown and then white You know the two tone Looks very nice Can we spend more time Just scribing I want to talk about the horizon Box because it has a fact about cows

[01:23:44] Did you say the plot or the box Of milk No the box of milk I don't know about your Cow fact But mine says did you know cows Can't walk downstairs Cause their knees don't bend that way Cows don't walk downstairs anyway

[01:23:56] Why would a cow walk down the stairs What if it said you know This is a cool fact too Horizon also makes mac and cheese Yeah I know But I was wondering why all those Boxes have mac and cheese on the back It's probably recommending like

[01:24:07] Make it out of chocolate milk I'll read this now I did text my friend Adam Pally Who's in this movie I said any stories you can have Adam Pally coming blank check And I said how much chocolate milk Did you drink and is it as good

[01:24:22] As they say it is in the movie He said so much that I can't really Think about chocolate milk without Fleming up in the back of my throat Yes it was delicious up there And this is practically ten years ago So the chocolate milk I guess was legit

[01:24:33] But the point is if not for the Chocolate milk then Mitri Martin Wouldn't have known to move Woodstock to Max Beggar's farm Right And that's where Woodstock happened As we all know from this movie Without question the two most Difficult parts of being an actor

[01:24:46] Are eating stuff in multiple takes Just consuming any food or beverage For multiple takes and pretending Like the weather is different Than what it actually is Oh I never thought about that But those are always the two things That fucking get you But it looks disgusting to drink

[01:25:04] That much chocolate milk But they're the little school lunch Size containers They're not the big boys that I brought in Still looks disgusting These are pretty They're tall ones They're small and they're square This is a weird Dimitri performance Thing that I want to discuss

[01:25:18] Is the fact that he just stares Blankly at everyone like he's a Living doll in every single scene Essentially this is the larger Discussion I want to have around that Okay It's also something about his Hair hanging over his head Like he has He looks like a toy

[01:25:34] Correct He looks like a doll Bespoke collectible The informant, the Soderberg movie Everyone in the cast other than Matt Damon, Scott Bakula And Melanie Linsky is a comedian Got Joel McHale and Like Scott Hazard, Tom Papa And like the Smothers Brothers are in it

[01:25:58] It's like weirdly stacked with Comedians from like different time periods And I remember some interview where they said Like why did you put Same year as this movie Yes they said Why did you put so many comedians in the movie And he said with material like this

[01:26:12] Where you want these sort of dry characters To have some life to them I think if you have a comedian And you tell them to play it straight It's still gonna make it a little funnier Then if you have a serious actor

[01:26:24] And tell them to make it a little funny So it isn't boring And that was his whole notion And all the comedians in that movie Are playing it pretty straight Other than maybe McHale Who's playing more of the exasperated guy But like Tommy Smothers plays like a judge

[01:26:35] But it does give The host of the marriage ref Wasn't that one too Tom Papa, I already cited him I just wanted to mention the marriage ref Funny five ref points But it does give the movie A certain like particular energy And you kind of feel like

[01:26:48] That was maybe the thinking here Where it's like Oh this character isn't necessarily funny If we cast a dramatic actor It might be kind of dull If we cast a comedian He'll bring a certain life to it Just by having that comedic energy

[01:26:59] And it feels like to me To mark perversely was like I want to show how much Of a serious actor I am By not even attempting to be funny Because there are moments in this film Where he has what is clearly written To be vaguely a laugh line

[01:27:11] Sure And he completely plays against Any comedic rhythm But he was such a dead He's deadpan anyway Like he that was He wasn't like a goofy comic Agreed but when you watch his stand up Where he's playing things pretty straight And kind of blank like that

[01:27:25] He still does have an understanding Of like timing and inflection To be able to understand What will activate a laugh Whereas in this movie There are lines he has with his sister Where it's like He's playing them way too heavy You're really into that scene

[01:27:39] That scene is so You're describing that scene Like when I would read the first 40 pages of a book And then have to give a book report on it Yeah And all of my thoughts are Everything hinges on this moment No because that scene feels like

[01:27:50] When they're trying to set up the movie And then abandon the rest of it Another weird example That is Jeffrey Dean Morgan Who comes in I mean that stuff is insane Insane You're waiting for it to Pay off in any way In any way He's like

[01:28:01] Fine I'll second the notion To have this thing And not pay off as a plot device But just like What's his function in this movie? He was some guy in the book And they needed to cast the character And in the opening scene They're like

[01:28:11] We knew you only came here To the commerce meeting For your own reasons Okay so they're setting up The character type I said I would come If we stop talking about These crazy schemes and ideas And then they just do And then he's angry Like

[01:28:24] This is the thing It's like Woodstock did happen Right Like there's only so much That's gonna get in the way Yeah They're saying that There's no Right they're mining the book And they're like Oh there was a city council meeting That was contentious They're like

[01:28:38] Alright we're putting it in Like I think they're just Sort of looking What's the Titanic argument? I mean it's like What's the Titanic sink? It was a failure What you don't know Is that there was this theater Group living in the barn You don't know

[01:28:49] And they never factor into The plot in any way They don't have anything to do With Woodstock Except they may have performed Somewhere Yeah Possibly At this point So this is like Halfway through the movie At which point We're just bullshitting Because literally nothing is

[01:29:03] Not about this at all No There's two things that's not happening One, I have no idea how far apart These two places are from each other His hotel and the farm You mentioned the weekend motorcycle thing That's late But that's late But at that point

[01:29:17] He's like it'll take you all afternoon To walk there Let me give you a ride But then every other point in the movie He just walks between the two points Implying it does not take all afternoon But the concert doesn't start Until the last 30 minutes of the movie

[01:29:26] I guess so It's actually kind of unclear When the concert begins At some point you just start hearing The music And there's a fence Wilson asked As you mentioned Woodstock and Wilson are on the other side of Right But like And the other thing is

[01:29:40] You would expect there to be Like three days to show Two days to show Like something that you're just like The stakes are The stakes are And there's nothing like that Because the movie's not about this at all No, it's one of the least

[01:29:51] Propulsive movies I've ever made So we were thought of doing a typewriter Like Fizz I mean only if it said You know, Langley, Virginia That's the only thing that should be It should appear to be a typewriter For Valence Day 9 Yeah, and also it would have to have

[01:30:04] Some Crichton-esque exact time Right Typewriter 904 AM 904 AM Right That I mean otherwise don't use the device And there's like a guy in a snap brim hat Yeah, don't use the device If you're not going to do that But I was like At this point

[01:30:19] Like the movie's half over And you're just like I wrote down here Concert seems to have begun And like that's it It's just at some point I guess And Wilson goes Oh, it started Yeah And you're like Oh my God And also at this point

[01:30:31] The Jonathan Groff laying carrot He hasn't been in the movie in like 40 minutes He just has those early scenes Where he's paying for it And then there's that scene where Dimitri drops in on the office Where they're like organizing The whole thing That's where Pallie and Catherine are

[01:30:44] Right Yeah, where Pallie is And like Which is the screen For no discernible reason whatsoever And Groff seems pretty stressed out Yeah And Dimitri's kind of Just to fly in the ointment And then he leaves And you're kind of like But what was going on there

[01:30:58] In the movies like And then there's the swastika thing That you mentioned Right, the Jewish family gets hate crime Because no one wants the hippies in the town Which I totally relate to This is the most empathetic part of the movie to me Because famously

[01:31:12] The whole reason they did Woodstock Was because Bob Dylan lived in Woodstock And they were like Surely if we do a concert next door He'll show up And instead Bob Dylan was like I hate hippies And all the hippies are here now Fuck you

[01:31:23] Like I'm not doing your dumb concert I'm like going to Britain To yell at people on stage Right And I think you're thinking of Sam Kinnison I think you're confusing them again Mark Mayer did work the door at Woodstock Also David Abins retired

[01:31:38] So please don't mention where he went Shut up And then you've got Liv Shriver drops in Where he's like I'm going to be the bodyguard But I also won't ever go to the concert I'll just be the bodyguard For the hotel Also I was in Korea

[01:31:51] Here's a picture of me And I am wearing drag And I have a gun And here are my underpants I'm a grandfather, JK Except not JK about the last thing He reads like a Wikipedia entry And you can just feel the movie being like Unbelievable

[01:32:05] Like can you believe it? And then that's it That's what the whole movie is like I feel like this movie is sort of Like it's like a 3D movie It's like a magic eye movie Like you know because think about the future Of like I just did VRC

[01:32:20] So it's like It's like a V Oh man I lost my mind Because I had I had a lot of bad shrips We have to talk about acid too Because you're probably Well have you done acid? No I haven't Yeah you're probably the only person You've done acid

[01:32:33] And out on my wife during the Paldano sequence Was like This must be what it's like Yeah What I've always been told is It's like you focus on like A table leg and you're like Isn't that crazy how it makes like A shape here

[01:32:42] I did kind of like that aspect Of that sequence That it's him really honing in On specific parts of the art In their van That is cool That felt kind of Kind of visually But also like I said It does Way later But my point is

[01:32:57] I just wanted to say This is like Using that technology where The main plot of a movie is happening And then you are bored And you walk away from it And you go somewhere else So this movie is like A side mission in Grand Theft Auto

[01:33:11] Like you know Where you're like I'm just going to drive a taxi For a while And they just built this Because they're like If any asshole wanders over here We got to have something happening Right So like at this point There's Nazis And I semi-intimate

[01:33:24] You're saying this movie is about like NPCs in a Woodstock game That they didn't spend a lot of time Building out This movie is kind of like Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead If Rosencrantz and Guildenstern had never met How in the world would that be? Like it's like

[01:33:40] I'm letting them, never heard of them In Skyrim you just like Go to the merchant You're like what do you have And he's like here are my wares And you're like how are you doing He's like here are my wares And I'm like that's it

[01:33:49] That's all they did for him Right Yeah And I'm like at this point Foglers out of the movie Out No more lines Shriver's taking over At this point I wrote down The following disconnected notes Dano shows up Failed Nashville vibe Trip sequence 40 minutes question mark

[01:34:07] And then I wrote 60s peace and love oh hello Wow In reference to definitely one of my favorite Lines in oh hello Right Where they're just doing this Insane 60s pastiche about meeting At the campus of Columbia And this movie feels like 60s peace and love oh hello

[01:34:22] Minus any music The three Sort of a vague guitar feedback score Very unelfman score A weirdly F**king elfin Completely non-elfman sounding score Which is cool The three days of the festival are What the first day is the day where he ends up

[01:34:37] In the van with Paul Dano and Kelly Gardner I feel like that's got to be the second day Because the whole thing is he hasn't gone over yet If it was day one it wouldn't be that interesting So he only goes over twice in the second day

[01:34:46] That's the second day The third day is when he just talks to Mamie Gummer for a little while Right And they're just like remember how there was The electricity thing Yeah She's like people can't even go on right now Yeah

[01:34:57] It's a bummer and he's like oh I guess I'll go back home Then his dad's like thank you for giving me life He looks an empty lawn and says beautiful While Jonathan Groff gets in a helicopter And the movie f**king ends

[01:35:07] During the thank you for giving me life part Anna was like is this about the holocaust Like is that what he's talking about Possibly Because they're very clearly meant to have fled Right You know He talks about Russia Like she has a whole rant

[01:35:21] She says I walked here from Russia Tees off the movie practically There's also the LSD scene with the parents We should They go to the bank to get the loan Right We should remember They accuse the loan I don't think they're getting a loan

[01:35:32] They are in arrears on a loan Oh yes correct It's like the bank is like you know it's like Five grand where's the money They accuse him of anti-Semitism He's like anti-Semitism These are like cat skills What are you talking about He's anti-Semitism

[01:35:43] I am a Nazi propaganda cartoon Look at me I am a rotund Jewish banker Yeah What are you talking about Right And it's like kind of like marginally funny And then the rest of the movie They're up against anti-Semitism Right

[01:35:58] The movie tries to set the concept that she's like Look at how ridiculous she is She's trying to use anti-Semitism as an argument And then they're getting swastikas on their house And not only are they getting Do they get a swastika The perpetrators are across the street

[01:36:08] Learing at them And Demetri Martin's like They'll just do it again if we paint over it And then he says Paint over it before mom sees it Right And then it goes into the diner to ask for the regular And all of them yell at him They're like

[01:36:19] We know we shouldn't let you juice into this town It's a lot Yeah It does feel like again Like well that's part of the story So we have to get that aspect And I'll listen I'll like I'd be in for a movie about like

[01:36:32] The Jewish community and the cat skills And like how that developed over time There are movies within this movie That you would like to watch Right But this movie feels a weird like Obligation to represent everything That happened whether or not it's interesting

[01:36:46] I also just want to point out And even though we will We can go back But the worst worst thing is that the movie Ends with a teaser for Altamont Which is like bizarre Like it's like worse than the post Teasing Watergate And it's gonna be cool

[01:37:00] Nothing's gonna go wrong No one's gonna get hurt Like I've hired these great guys To do security Like such a weird thing Have you heard of them? They're supposed to be angels That is the last line in the movie though He's like That's the last line

[01:37:14] There is no other line after he sets up Altamont It is exactly like the post There's gotta be other examples of something like that Where something ends Or it's like the 9-11 movie with Robert Patton My absolute favorite My absolute favorite is at the end of Fast 5

[01:37:28] Which has now been set up as a prequel To Tokyo Drift It's 6th that's the final one Before Tokyo Drift Right, but it's at the end of 5 When Han's like Maybe we should go to Tokyo They're riding off in the car And Gal Gadot goes

[01:37:41] So what are you thinking of doing now that you got all the money And he goes I'm hearing they're doing some pretty crazy shit in Tokyo And the thought is Oh, he's gonna die in between movies And then he shows up at the beginning at 6 And they go

[01:37:52] What happened to Tokyo? They went out and they're like I want to do another one of these I'll get there I think the line is literally I'll get there eventually They're saying We'll figure out our own chronology when we feel like it I'm now just thinking about

[01:38:04] Ang Lee making taking Altamont And again, no one Certainly that would have been the intention Somehow Right, and it made me gummer at the end Just like Gal Gadot stamped She still has the same hat on She hasn't taken it off in the intervening 6 months

[01:38:17] And like Paul Dano is like now In the Hell's Angels I don't know But the whole movie is just Dimitri Martin having food poisoning While the whole concert's happening It's him balancing his taxes Certainly that was one of the most egregious examples In this movie of just like

[01:38:31] Just so you all know this happened Here's this thing Like we're gonna mention wavy gravy And we're going to mention all this other dumb shit Everyone knows happened We're not gonna have any of it I wrote down here 90 minutes in Still no needle drop

[01:38:42] There has not been like I was really excited for you know All the crappy songs that we've heard a million times But the only song they play is the song from the Volkswagen commercial They play a red telephone In the van tripping sequence

[01:38:55] A love song which is a great song It is not overused But it's not really part of that concert It's a weird choice Should we talk about LSD? Yeah, do we care about the LSD sequence? I mean I'm just curious because It's excruciatingly on fun to watch

[01:39:08] Because it involves characters that you've never seen before And you're certain you will never see again in the movie Right, they're like the Steve's on character In lean-on Pete where it's like In that where they're like Let's just introduce like a meth head And they're like

[01:39:20] Let's just introduce acid people They live in a car He's gonna go in the car He'll leave the car They won't see them outside of the car Are you from here? He's like yeah I'm from here Where are you from? And they're like California Texas Oregon

[01:39:33] And he goes you're from everywhere And she's like we're from everywhere And I'm just like And then they go you're from everywhere too He goes no I'm from here And they go yeah you're really from here Wow, anti-Semitism Yeah You dirty Jew Okay Ben's LSD corner

[01:39:48] I'm gonna pee while you do your LSD corner What? You're gonna miss it You'll never understand So the effects in the movie Are kind of close to what? Really? It sort of feels like it's very melty And yeah the light And that focused in on certain things Yeah

[01:40:04] I do like that when they're changing coverage From like Dmitri's perspective Of the other characters To sort of the like God's eye views That the color palette changes Oh yeah That when it's like just the Establishing shots It's like him in darkness And whenever it goes to him

[01:40:20] Everyone else is like bathed in sunlight But a lot of that looked As with this little part of the sequence Like there was like all the exterior Like they are now at where the concert is Stuff looked really poorly green screen Oh it's very green screen

[01:40:32] It's hugely green screen The end sequence with them With jumping off With trash Yeah you just look at like hair Cause hair is always the give away In green screen things I thought you meant the movie Hair with all the Oh yeah you look at hair

[01:40:42] At this point you just want to Put on hair and keep grooving 100% But anytime they're in front of Like the larger like actual concert area Even if it's in the background It is so poorly green screen Okay so that felt like a Decent visual proxmozic

[01:40:58] Yeah it was okay but Do you think Aang has tripped balls? Do you feel specific enough That he would have to get it from experience? Or do you think he just read books And tried to approximate it? I think that he is a big Sid head For sure

[01:41:15] Definitely Cause I could just kind of tell like his vibe Yeah definitely He definitely seems like that kind of guy Yeah Decided that Aang Lee is like an Aang Lee is like an acid guy Like everything But I did a lot of acid Uh huh And

[01:41:31] How much is a lot? I genuinely want to know Uh over 50 times It's a lot of time Over what period of years Yeah like how often I did it last weekend What's the dance party on Sunday? What's the closest you would space Two trips together though

[01:41:48] Like if you do it you're not like I'm gonna do that again tomorrow Yeah it's good to take a week off Okay It's nice to have a meal in between Yeah right But I only drink some bottled water I've had a lot of fun

[01:41:59] It's a lot of fun That sequence does work for you Yeah That checks out Okay that's kind of cool Yeah Because it's really boring to watch If you're just watching it When you're sitting on your couch But that's the thing It's when you're doing it Everything is heightened

[01:42:12] You're like oh my god This is so amazing And you're literally just like Moving something across the table Well watching people be Nothing stoned is almost always Uncompelling It's excruciating Nothing less interesting Yeah I'm saying that Like when people are drunk They might tell you their secrets

[01:42:27] But when people are stoned They'll act like they're telling you their secrets But they'll just be like I really like you You're really, really hot They'll just kind of touch you Speaking of getting stoned And telling secrets How does the scene where the parent's trip

[01:42:40] Check out for you Because then after he comes back from that They're only on pop brownies They're eating pop brownies And then they pass out They're dancing They dance around And they dig up the money from their floorboards It's very breaking bad He tucks them into

[01:42:52] I mean we're like At the end of the movie now We're like nothing has happened The concert has started And he, oh well you mentioned earlier He like goes on TV for some reason Right he does a press conference And then he smokes weed beforehand

[01:43:04] They're like you should do that You're good at public relations You look good in a suit And he's all nervous This is such a perfect example Of it feeling like Dimitri Martin perversely Wanted to show how much of a serious actor He could be Because it's like

[01:43:16] The set up for the scene Is you got stoned Right before having to speak On cameras And he's straying away From any comedic Angle on the thing He just says free a lot Yeah He's like He just looks nervous It's about freedom It's gonna be fun

[01:43:30] And then it cuts to All these other people Showing up and they're like Did you hear the concert's free Right But that scene's a gimme Like I'm no fan of Like guy gets stoned And then has to hold it together Seen some general Right but I'm like

[01:43:41] Come on have some fun Any background in comedy It's like this is the part Where you get to let loose And at least try some shit Yeah I forgot during the scene That he was supposed to be They're supposed to be Stoned in some capacity But that happens

[01:43:51] Other than that I feel like there are Between these two destinations That could be like Next door They could be three miles apart We don't know I'm gonna put it around One and a half miles Something in between those two You know what It's like a dad movie

[01:44:04] Totally The last kind of those things Where they'd be like Man we used to be cool And then two years later They're just like People our age are finding love For the second time But the problem is that also Like your dad would want to See the music

[01:44:17] Like we read it And we read the review Where's Shana now Where are they That's what's amazing You're really griffing this bit I mean this is a griff level commitment Dude, no I'm not complaining I'm proud of you I truly didn't know Until this movie was almost over

[01:44:30] That like Imagine how disappointing you would be If you'd be like You want to go see the Woodstock movie Yeah we used to love that stuff And then you're just like What's going on here The problem is like Us as Ang Lee fans We read like

[01:44:40] And he doesn't show the concert Where like That's kind of cool Sounds like my kind of movie But the only people who would Enjoy this movie are The people who Adore Woodstock And the mythology of it so much And they would be so frustrated

[01:44:50] By not getting to see Shana Lang planning Woodstock movie No It's like What about the guy who ran The hotel down the road And it's like Well that's I guess The least interesting conceivable take On a culturally significant event Imagineable Like think of anything else That was relevant

[01:45:04] And think of that version of it Where it's It's like Steve Jobs' neighbor Right And not even He sure made a lot of computers It's just like These are the people that run The restaurant down the street From where Apple is And then Apple people come in

[01:45:17] And they're like That computer's we're going to make And they're talking about it And they're trying to To make a sense And see that they're building the cube See that's what I was going to say I like the The Steve Jobs' neighbor thing Because it means

[01:45:27] That it's a guy Just going to work every day And every time he pulls the car In or out of the garage He kind of maybe sees What they're doing for a second And the rest of the movie Is just him being Really an amacromancer And then like

[01:45:37] One Steve Jobs comes over For a barbecue And then they're like What are you working on Something big Wait What if What if You were tucked in your shirt What? It's your jeans It's called A turtle neck The other thing we're not mentioning Is the sort of

[01:45:53] Gay awakening Kind of But you kind of Have the impression He's already a little more It's not like he is repressed He has a phone call with someone Who seems like an ex-boyfriend At the beginning of the film Exactly He doesn't seem out to his parents

[01:46:07] But it also doesn't seem that He's in denial necessarily Or actively hiding it And then he has this crush on Paul Yeah, Terry And they make out He's a carpenter And they sleep together And it's cut past But then also when they make out

[01:46:21] He looks back to see if his father's still there Right, and he's not Yeah, it's glossed over like everything I think this movie could have been cool If it was like three hours long And tripled its commitment to its concept Yeah I also think like It feels like

[01:46:34] Especially coming after Brokeback Mountain His notion was Let's make a movie where the character is gay And it's not about that at all And I can just sort of normalize it But then they Pay so little mind to it That it feels almost like A 1940s studio movie

[01:46:46] Where they're trying to code him as gay Without actually saying that he's gay Safe for like the kiss Sure, no, I don't even It's like they're trying to not even acknowledge it Really But I do want to point out that This film was in competition

[01:46:58] At the Cannes Film Festival It won, right? Yeah, it won It won the Palm Dog? But it was also nominated for Four Four AARP movies for grown-up awards That's one of the few facts on the Wikipedia page Is that it lost best picture At the AARP movies

[01:47:14] You mean it lost best grown-up love story? That award show definitely has like a best Remember that time movie, right? Can you give me the nominees in the category? Of best grown-up love story? Yeah, by the way, who are the grown-ups in love?

[01:47:26] The father at the end going Because I love her So here are the nominees Imelda Stanton and Henry Goodman In Taking What's Stake They list the nominees as the couple? Correct It's gonna take a while Helen Mirren and Christopher Plummer In The Last Station

[01:47:39] Which is mostly just like Tolstoy Yelling at his wife From what I remember Marcia Gay-hearted and Daniel Stern in Whippet Who I remember being sweet They're both good in that movie It's just like the parents in a movie That's not about them Bingo, well but then it's getting

[01:47:54] It's gonna get complicated Cause it's complicated as nominated And Meryl Streep and Malik Baldwin Are nominated So they know It's a duo nominated They ignore Steve Martin Who's the one she actually ends up with In the movie? They uncomplicated We'll get to it's complicated later

[01:48:12] And then Julie and Julia wins For Meryl Streep and Stanley Tucci Which is a fairly nice That's a deserving one Unplug story They fucking that movie Well, the stuff with the parents In this movie is I guess touching But you know That's the other end of the movie

[01:48:26] Is that they do the pop brownies They wake up Imelda Stanton seems dead But she's actually like Put $90,000 worth of cash In the floorboards Yes, that she has been Horting while Demetra Martin's been like Sinking all his life savings Into this shit-hole hotel That should be like condemned

[01:48:43] And they made $5,000 And she has 90 Right And then he's just like And then he's like I'm so mad at you about this And you're like And then Lee cries in the movie ends With him being like I might leave Right And Jonathan Groff being like Check out Ultima

[01:48:56] Then he goes to the field It's all over It's all muddy Everyone's picking up garbage Right, Mamie Gummer's sort of like She references the You know the Mahari Shia Whoever was who spoke Oh and Mamie Gummer says Has a taste for theatrics Like Sioux He also

[01:49:10] Has a card that says Ultima He also says He's like I'm sure we'll all end up Give me a point Sorry, I was wrong He says I'm sure we'll all end up Sewing each other Which is like Well, I guess that probably happened Or else they wouldn't

[01:49:22] Put that dumb line in Right The other thing I wrote down Is recently Bob The Blu-ray has an audio commentary With Ang Lee and James Sheamus I kind of want to listen to it So they stand by it They're not like We don't want to talk about it

[01:49:33] What do you think They're just like This is boring What's the commentary track Is them just They think it's the funniest movie Ever made I was just saying It's just them counting money It's him doing a skit With his two Oscars Or their characters

[01:49:46] That talk to each other Broke and pie Yeah, one pie of the Oscar His two golden lions as well I did one thing That a couple weeks ago My wife and I were at an Outdoor thing And she refused to use a Porto Ponte Real humble break

[01:49:57] Fair question She's now going to walk To a restaurant Fair refusal And while she was in the Restaurant I was looking at The other thing Is that she's like And while she was in the restaurant I was looking at the Porto Ponte And I was like

[01:50:09] Has this technology ever changed That I saw in this movie No, it has not No, it has not Why is that? It's a good point Why is it to use the Seinfeld But you can put a man on the moon But at no point have they done

[01:50:19] Anything to the Porto Ponte Since 1969 Because I've never Stop being the best setup For a completely different Never will be Yeah Until we put a man on Mars Or whatever I used the Porto Ponte Last week And I had the very thought Where I'm like

[01:50:32] Oh yeah, still just a hole Like that That's the idea But the way they show them In here you're like That's just the same thing Right Yeah But then that's the end of the movie And she has all the money And he leaves

[01:50:43] And you're left with this empty Feeling about what you did For two hours And most importantly Literally not one supporting character Comes back in the movie For a curtain call Except for this Altamont Stinger And May Me Cover Right But like A meal herge Dan Fogler Leib Schreiber

[01:50:57] Yeah, you don't see Like a meal herge Like with his arm around Dan Fogler being Like you really help me Through all that You don't see Eugene Leib That's a farm Right That's true He could have that money You want the money

[01:51:09] How will I make my chocolate milk You want the Home Alone ending Where it's on Dmitri Martin's face And you just hear Dan You hear Eugene Leib Jesus, Mary and Joseph You kind of feel like this movie Would be more interesting If it started at the ending

[01:51:20] And it was the fallout Of Woodstock on this town Oh it's like Inmediarist Cleaning up Woodstock Yeah Honestly like these people Being like Taking out the trash at Woodstock This has got out of hand You think this movie Will be better if it was

[01:51:32] Dmitri Martin looking out over And him going Probably wondering how I got here Yes 100% Well let me start earlier And then it's him in the village At Stonewall and he goes No not that early Not interesting And then it's him Decorating the mob Headquarters and he goes

[01:51:46] No not that early And then it's him with his mom And he goes Okay right here And the mobs is like Now listen We at the mob don't pay decorates It's a famous rule It starts with him in the torch At the Statue of Liberty Going Bonjour

[01:52:01] That's still my favorite open That's one of the worst devices In one of the worst movies I think of the 21st century It's astonishing What movie The Walk We may do it on this podcast one day It literally begins with Joseph Gordon Leavitt

[01:52:14] In a turtle neck with a beret Smoking a cigarette doing mine Sitting at the Statue of Liberty Being like Bonjour I didn't see you there Please It's an exchange Like doing like Bonjour Like you know Doing a French This is a man who speaks French

[01:52:29] Doing like a shitty French English accent He's doing like K.R.S. cargo level shit But it's like a crazy like CGI Like rapid fast camera zoom Across the Hudson Into like The Statue of Liberty torch He's standing in the torch And then goes Hello Bonjour

[01:52:47] This is like This is a real movie This is a real movie That people made Made by men who want an Oscar Much like taking a Woodstock I will say like Watching this movie Also made by a man who's won a bunch of Oscars Yes Watching this movie

[01:52:58] And what I said an hour ago Of like That doesn't make you angry Just kind of exist I am now genuinely like furious Like I talked about this movie Are we recording yet? Have we started? Yeah, let's start the episode Can I tell my Okay, we're going

[01:53:09] My Scorsese Woodstock story Sure Is it Marty's stock or me? Possibly This is like The best story I have And you know Why not in this episode When there's nothing else of interest Yeah, well it's I have a big overarching theory I want to propose

[01:53:24] In relation to taking Woodstock So there is one more thing of interest Hopefully Do you want to throw it out now Or do you want to save that? It'll be a good kind of conclusion To the discussion of the movie So this is the best piece of directing

[01:53:33] I've ever seen And when people ask me Like what's the difference What do you see What makes a good director I tell them this story Which is on the vinyl pilot Which was just crazy Exorbitant It was like 20 million dollars 20 million dollars Yeah And

[01:53:48] Almost the cost of taking Woodstock Yes It was shot for two months Right And it was just like An insane thing to be on Where I had nothing to do Right, but I was around a lot That's a long time For not that much money Yeah

[01:53:59] I think it went way over The budget they gave him Was 20 million dollars To deliver a one hour episode And he delivered a two hour I think it ended up costing over 30 A two hour episode In which Andrew Dice Clay's murdered And he was like

[01:54:10] I'm having a hard time Dealing with this limited budget That was his big thing It was one of the most expensive Piles ever made And most of that went to you Most of that went to me I did My quote at that time Was 18 million dollars

[01:54:21] That was that week of draft day Before that week of draft day Before that Friday morning I locked down one deal Where they were Like we got to get him He's popping Because he was like I got eight track calling And the vinyl guy was like Alright, fine

[01:54:33] Sorry At the time the show was called Rock and Roll It was I forgot about that Tom Stopper I don't get it There is a scene In which Bobby Canavalle's birthday party And the whole staff is there And his friends are there And his family is there

[01:54:49] And it's like three overnights At this mansion In Staten Island Right Okay There's like 20 principal actors Maybe even more And you have like Over a hundred 200 background All in this mansion And Scorsese Who likes his seclusion is quiet They like In the living room of the house

[01:55:09] Built like a cardboard fort for him Like his like video village Because he likes to be Totally shut off Was like literally cardboard walls Duck taped together with a door And shit So that he had his space And he's also like Super-asmatic

[01:55:23] And everyone was like smoking on the show Sure So most of the time His first AD communicates And comes in And maybe one side of every five Takes Scorsese comes out And says his stuff Right And he's a man who like doesn't over direct

[01:55:36] Says what he needs to say But his big thing Which I learned doing this was like He really likes to give people the freedom The big thing he wants to do Is use the Flex the fact that he's Martin Scorsese To be like

[01:55:45] They're not gonna shut me down They're not gonna cut me off Are they gonna fire Marty? Right I'm gonna hire good people And I'm gonna give them the space To feel like they can't make any mistakes And then just nudge them a little bit To get options

[01:55:56] Cause he likes when surprises Mistakes happen And all that sort of stuff Right So the scene is Everyone's toasting Bobby Cannavale And Olivia Wilde Whose wife gets up And makes this speech about Like you all know That Richie and I went to Woodstock You sent us there

[01:56:12] What you don't know is what really happened It was our first weekend away After we had had the kid And we went to the hotel room To check in And we ended up Not leaving the bed for the weekend And so she's like Blowing up his spot

[01:56:24] That he never actually attended Woodstock He just got caught in a sex rut For three days Right Sure And Ray Romano Who's his partner at the record label Goes like You kid me All these stories you were telling me They're all lies you made of Ray here

[01:56:39] Ray I mean I'm here in the Ice Age But the line he's supposed to say is All the stories you told us You're Alvin Lee singing I'm going home Get a job Get a job The line The big thing is Alvin Lee I'm going home Right And Romano

[01:56:57] Who I think is a really Fucking good actor Right And watching him work Was on this guy's way What'd you do So much respect for But it was one of those things Where sometimes Like you just get caught up On a fucking line And he couldn't get it

[01:57:09] Right And he would either say Like Alvin Ailey Alvin and the chipmunks Right Or he'd say I'm going home Instead of coming home And like reach for it He couldn't get it Right And they're doing so much Coverage and crane shots And multiple things They haven't gotten to

[01:57:24] Romano's real coverage yet But he hasn't gotten one good Take where it sounds Like he knows what he's talking About So every five takes You know after the AD Which is called What are you doing in the scene Standing Watching the speech And smoking a cigarette

[01:57:39] That's all I'm doing That's griffin 90% of griffins The crane is on you The crane is on you Correct Right So what happened early in the day The still photographer They hired They outfitted her In period appropriate clothes That she could be on camera

[01:57:53] And she kept on pushing me Out of view of the camera Because she thought her job Was more important than mine Which I'm not saying Mine was more important than hers But she said to me This doesn't even matter You're not on camera

[01:58:03] You don't need to be here So I was just like Fuck so I'm just getting Paid to do nothing I'm really not visible You're watching Scris is he work Right Which was Alright Let's wrap this story up Come on, come on It's a good story I'm just saying

[01:58:17] Must I be taking one stock It's full of all these characters Don't really have anything to do With where the story is going And tangents that lead nowhere Get ready This thing's gonna pay off Like a fucking slot machine Fuck Hell Okay I better see some coins

[01:58:30] So every five takes Scris as it comes out Hey what about this Let's try it from this ankle You know maybe Maybe this kind of thing And Ray you know It's alvin Lee You know I'm going No And you go yeah Yeah I know Sorry Marty Alright

[01:58:45] So yeah I know I know I know And they're starting Like Ray's starting to get a little Self-conscious about it Right And now it's like Finally on to Romano's coverage And it's like Four o'clock in the morning And God Right And he still hasn't Got it right once

[01:59:01] And Scris says he comes out And he goes And Ray You know what I'm gonna say And he goes I know And he goes You know It's important though I mean I was there You should have a one man Show this is great Dead silent They're like

[01:59:15] 350 people on set Including like Mick Jagger So that says I was there I was there Dead silent And he looks around And realizes that he's holding court And just starts telling the story about him Working at Woodstock For the sex rep For the sex rep Right

[01:59:29] But like pin drop silent Everyone's there Four o'clock in the morning He goes yeah you know I mean You know I just got an Advantage Like you and Thelma was an editor On the film social You know they need a couple more People with the cameras

[01:59:39] And they said you know Scris says he could You know he's pretty good He can hold a bolex And he starts telling the story About being like the fifth camera guy For the Woodstock documentary And getting in all these details about And you know I just remember

[01:59:52] You know Hendrix was playing And you know there was beautiful Magenta sunrise And I was you know They were saying keep the camera on Hendrix I want to just film the sunrise I thought the sunrise was so beautiful And he's like it's just like this amazing like Sure

[02:00:06] Oh here's like Scris says He master class talking about all this And he goes you know Abby Hoffman you know He gets up on stage During the who I believe Right yeah you know Roger Daltrey You know he takes the mic stand He shoves him in the throat

[02:00:17] And I said why were you so angry I wasn't angry it was just time for me to play You know my fucking concert You know and then we'd gone through this weekend Where we thought we had the dream And then we were going to take over

[02:00:26] And then the dream was dead Then Alvin Lee gets up And he ends off the whole thing singing I'm going home And we all realize no that's what this was This was just a weekend You know it's going to be an important moment

[02:00:36] Historically but it's not going to change anything For the worse or for the better This was just a weekend where all this coalesce And there's just silence And then he turns back to Ramono And he goes so you know Now you know what the line means

[02:00:47] And he walks away And he never fucks up the line again And he knew in that moment It was more valuable to take 15 minutes Without doing a take I'm not clapping To make it land in his mind So that he never fucked the line up again

[02:01:03] Because now it like was tied to an actual memory frame Yeah cause you know like Man what's that cause what it was about Oh you know what I wanted to reference Do you guys remember the May for TV miniseries event The 60s

[02:01:15] I was going to reference that earlier I thought there was way more Because I thought Lea Shriver was in it But it was and it was Jerry O'Connell And was that Julie Stiles Was on the poster She's like a flower child Just this kind of shit was everywhere

[02:01:28] For like 15 years And boy am I glad that it's not anymore And we were already in a post-isle of the 80s culture No not We moved on Not for this movie Not for the 60s Yeah but that sort of era

[02:01:39] That sort of era was kind of the 50th anniversary of things You know for that whole decade Where it'd be like can you believe it Like 50 years ago This should happen But yeah I guess as far as Gumbel would have been like the 25th It was 94

[02:01:51] So like it's just I mean people were just so into Repackaging this shit and selling it To the people who either experienced it Or always regretted missing out But this time they weren't buying it Yeah this was the end Box office Well wait real quick

[02:02:03] Let me pause at one thing Maybe sort of a tangent So like I said I sort of buy this movie Like a Seamus blank check Like as a team they're so powerful He can make his like Upstate baby boomer movie Right so Ang Lee's blank check You're saying

[02:02:16] They got a blank check from Brokeback Brokeback does so well And they're such a team That it's just like Ang Lee's like I'll do less caution It's a blank check that covers two movies Either one of which are huge And they have not collaborated against Since this movie

[02:02:26] I think that's right Is that correct I think this is the last collaboration Seamus obviously directed his own film And then he left focus And then like That's the thing Focus gets sort of totally rejiggered But I'm curious if that's true You're right

[02:02:36] Cause David McGee wrote Life of Pi And some guy wrote Billy Lynn It's too bad cause like Seamus might have done Like a better job with Billy Lynn That kind of feels like A good movie for him No I've never seen it It's such a bad script

[02:02:46] But here's my question Like cause you know I've listened to the series Up until this point Obviously there's some in the middle here That haven't come out yet But like I don't see any Ang Lee in this movie No Sure

[02:02:57] How do you feel about Ang Lee in general I mean so this is my point Like I think Ang Lee is a Good filmmaker Right I think he has made I think he's a good filmmaker Who has made great movies Sure I think he's a good filmmaker

[02:03:08] Who's made masterpieces I don't think a great filmmaker Truly like one of the canon Could make such an anonymous movie Yes And I don't think that I don't think his lows Fit in to the body of work Of a master Interesting In the way that I think

[02:03:23] Even the low Clint Eastwood movies Are clearly of a piece I think that Ang Lee is so much Has some like comparison Of like the kind of other person He is I can't remember right now But it's just like What's the notion That you want someone to fail

[02:03:36] You want them to fail With like a quintet Yeah Rather than taking wood stock Right Yeah and also I think quintets Are good movies Hey That's better than some other Altman movies at that time period But I think But like I just don't think He's

[02:03:51] I mean because he's made Great movies Like I just listened to the Ice Storm episode And it's just like God I love this movie I could watch it anytime Like this is incredible Hulk's an American masterpiece Hulk I have fond memories of

[02:04:01] I saw him do a Q&A for it At Tish when I was in school There's just something about him That's like I think historically He will decrease radically In his importance I think in like 30 or 40 years Interesting It'll be like He made quality films at a time

[02:04:14] That that actually mattered He won a bunch of Oscars But And this is a question For you having like lived in him Like the movies of his I haven't seen I was like I should watch those Before those episodes And then I was just like I don't care

[02:04:29] I'll just listen to the episode Which ones hadn't you seen I mean I hadn't seen The Taiwanese movies And I was like I should watch those And then I just started listening to it And I was like I get it See E-Drink and Wedding banquet

[02:04:40] I would say are wholly worth Check them out I'm sure they are But as soon as I started listening To the episode I was like I get it I've seen this video box A billion times I've seen a trailer Like And I just Like my question

[02:04:53] Listening to this series is like I think over time People will just be like He made really prestigious films He won a bunch of Oscars His movies were occasionally Really great But I don't think I think that I think this becomes the measure Of like what becomes

[02:05:06] Like those directors from Like the 50s and 60s That were clearly very important But have no lasting impact Sure Because if like In 20 years And I think currently I mean he's almost 30-ish Years into a career Yeah No one has ever been Like I mean That's my guy

[02:05:21] Longly is the guy I'm trying to do Interesting Talk about your biggest influence on this movie I really wanted it To be like an Ang Lee movie People would be like What does that mean Right Unless it's just like I made this movie about Like my family's ethnicity

[02:05:33] And like this sort of You know low-key emotional drama But people still They wouldn't be like He's the guy I kind of Want to make movies that are like And this doesn't mean This doesn't mean his movies Are less than great Sure It just means that

[02:05:45] Over the next 30 years I think if that doesn't happen It'll just be like Well he just was part of He was like the end Of that system And he made these Like super prestigious good movies His influence was zero Because like there is No generation of filmmakers

[02:05:57] That are like That's the guy That's the way Scorsese Is to like forget about it Like that's everybody For decades is like I do have a story about Scorsese And Woodstock If you guys want to hear it quickly I will say too But you know what I mean

[02:06:08] Like this is my question Like what's I can't tell if you're doing a bit Yes he's going to tell the story That was a great question Yeah What's your type of This is what I've been thinking About listening to the series And looking at some of the movies

[02:06:18] It's just like What will he be like In 30 years Because I think That's interesting His impact on film culture Since the 90s has been huge Because he's made great movies And won awards Yeah I think his influence on film culture Has been as low as A massively successful

[02:06:33] Important director could be I do think there's kind of A fulcrum point Leading up to Brokeback Where up until that point Almost all the movies Really work around That sense of family Right He makes these movies But that's not so much an influence There's themes to pull out

[02:06:53] Of his work But I'm saying Through the prism of that How he chooses to shoot Those things How he works with actors The tone All of that But then this doesn't really Feel like it has any of that This is a shitty movie Juice But I mean

[02:07:06] Well, it's got juice though But you know, juice But this doesn't This does feel like a movie Like The Ice Storm Or Ride With the Devil Or any of the ori He's like Here's like a moment In American history We're gonna focus on the family

[02:07:19] And the generational divides And the way like Cultural wars are changing But then he This movie's just so shitty And then But then it's like And now like a CGI tiger on a boat Like that's the thing Life of Pi isn't his movie

[02:07:33] Like Life of Pi is developed by Shyamalan Like other people want to make it And then only just comes on board Makes that And it's like My thing now is I make 3D movies And like that's apparently his thing He only wants to make 3D movies He's like

[02:07:47] If I'm making a movie It's 3D high frame rate baby Like we're doing it up I don't think Jon Iman's high frame rate But I believe it is 3D I think it's not high frame rate Because the studio like Shot the high frame rate camera with a gun

[02:07:58] And they were like Never again will we do this horseship We'll talk about this 15 more times But it is insane that like Peter Jackson did it with the hob And everyone was like No way too much And Ang Lee's like The problem was

[02:08:09] It should be twice as much as what Peter Jackson did And a less action packed movie Yes I've never seen that It's crazy It's insane I wanted to see it in high frame rate But it came and went Much like all of his bombs Like this movie

[02:08:21] Like it's very confusing for me To ponder him because he's always been around His movies are important He has two Oscars Which only of his contemporaries Like Clint Eastwood and Spielberg Right But I think that like That's almost proof that like In your arts Right

[02:08:35] That's kind of a motley crew I just think that that's almost proof That like the movie His movies exist in a different form And like they're just like Some of them are quality enough To like kind of hoodwink the Oscars

[02:08:47] Which is of course how you win an Oscar Everybody knows you have to just fool people But then like No one will ever look at Billy Lin's long half time walker life of Pine As like a young person And be like

[02:08:57] Those are the kind of movies I want to make No, there's nothing to extrapolate from Even their failures And that just makes me curious Like who is he as a filmmaker If not someone who makes a bunch of money Wins Oscars And like literally I believe has influenced

[02:09:09] No next generation of successful filmmakers That is interesting And it's very interesting Because a lot of people are like that That doesn't mean that their movies Suffer It just means that like Over the next generation Will become of their reputation In the way that like Norman Jewison

[02:09:23] Someone like that Franklin Schaffner Yes He made Planet of the Apes No one ever thinks about it He made Pat and he won One Best Pepser Oscar, yeah Yeah, I Jewison's a good one Yeah, these are great examples Like Total Pros Yeah

[02:09:36] And this is a movie about a Jew son Yeah Robert Benton There you go Yeah Taylor Hackford He wishes He wishes he wishes That's what he's striving for Yeah, exactly Yeah, I mean like It's just everything else I'm thinking of Is kind of more genre specific

[02:09:51] But it is those kind of like I'm gonna make a comedy then I'm gonna make like A sweeping Best Picture melodrama And then I'm gonna go to some other My home cut It's just like There is no consistency to it In a way that like For some directors

[02:10:02] Is kind of fascinating For Ang Lee I think it's just kind of frustrating Because Yes I feel like you've been frustrated With some of our choices recently In what? In miniseries topics Oh, not at all Well, I mean I know you love this show Which we greatly appreciate

[02:10:14] You feel frustration with the directors Sometimes you're like Their work rather than our coverage When you're thinking about the directors As O'Tooir Well, I'm only thinking about them As good episode Sure Again Thank you for the show That's great On what? Like if you could pick a director

[02:10:28] It's a good question If I had Twitter voted in your bracket Who would be your biggest wish? Like period Yeah Geez, that's a You should have given me time To think about it Well, how about Locked out in the studio Now I'm just thinking about Alex

[02:10:40] Like starting like an edge lord Twitter account Just to vote on brackets I don't know if this is Post-Dank Simpsons Me Yeah, it would just be an egg It'd be the egg logo I don't know if this is something You don't want me to share

[02:10:50] In which case we can cut it out But you told me that Better just test it by putting it On Mike and Kase Right? You told me that Your newest film Is really influenced by Verhoeven Because you were listening to Our Verhoeven episodes were coming out

[02:11:05] When you were prepping the movie So you started planning The whole thing through The prism of what Verhoeven Also because that's a miniseries That's crazy Yeah, that can stay in there But it made him on the dome in your mind The fact that you were listening

[02:11:17] And thinking about those movies Everyway Right, I was just like This is what it's about Like this 12-week conversation Distills the essence of a filmmaker Who I think is very under discussed In the exact right way And Ang Lee is the same

[02:11:30] No one thinks that seriously about him Because they just think He makes successful movies Sure So digging in to garbage like this Or some of his masterpieces Sense and sensibility Is really interesting Because he is such an anomaly There's no one like He doesn't follow any tradition

[02:11:46] Of the industry having Foreign filmmakers Who completely end up making Movies in another country But Verhoeven Yes, as a counterpoint When you were here covering that I think I said in the Hollow Man episode If this is the worst film you make You're a really great filmmaker

[02:12:03] Not because that film is great But because it's so bizarre And esoteric that it's like If this is the most anonymous thing He can do And it still has this much of his DNA That can't be beaten out of it Right This is his paycheck movie

[02:12:16] Yeah, and this feels like that Almost, this feels like The paycheck movie Even though it's not It's totally like the end of a Decades long collaboration And yeah, I mean maybe this will be The bottom of your rankings I'd imagine it will be

[02:12:27] Are you doing a bonus episode on The Hire? I kind of want to We'll talk about that later Box office game Remember The Hire? I do remember The Hire But can we do all of The Hire? Maybe No You have to parse it out

[02:12:39] I don't have an answer for that Ben, if you brought up the bracket I could give you my picks There was some in that bracket I looked at the There was some I was super nervous About potentially having to listen to Don Bluth No, that'd be great

[02:12:50] Don Bluth would rule I thought the Brad Bird series Proved that animation Like you're saying Like it just doesn't get talked about In the same way Sure Whereas certain things are just like Do we need to keep talking about this? I would like to

[02:13:01] Yeah, now I want to know Who you didn't want That's actually I'll bring it up I'll run down I'll I'll just say Just to call a shot on Mike I would like to cover one animation Director per year Just because they generally have Very short filmographies as well

[02:13:15] We can We can talk about that I'm just saying that's the thing I would like And I'm going to let people respond To that all the time When you have your entire Blank Check Podcast network You could just have the animation one Yes The BCN

[02:13:26] Which is an offshoot Of BCP Right Or BCM Blank Check Media Let's do the box office What have we done Like two and a half hours On this fucking movie Yeah We've got the whole episode out then All right Let's do the box office

[02:13:39] Is it really two and a half hours? No What is it Ben? It is 221 But we had a lot of chat A lot of And I'm going to Yeah I want to But see that was part of my goal Is I was like

[02:13:51] You don't want this to be As Griffin has described things to me As one of our least essential episodes Like I was like In best case scenario This conversation can Elevate this movie to the point Where it's like That's worth thinking about I mean that's why you're

[02:14:02] A great guest on Blank Check For these weird One-off failures That's what great directors do You also know that Ben Isn't going to release this episode Instead of releasing this episode He's going to release an episode About someone working on their At their desk in the audio

[02:14:14] Boom office while we record The episode Honestly, that's super funny That's super funny And can I put that out Yes So what I'll do is I'll release this episode But then I'll also Record Rachel Yes My co-worker Just working at her desk And then like at some point

[02:14:28] You just hear the dulcet tones Of the opening And Griffin And she just goes I guess it started Yeah right Okay But then she like Get a really big lunch And she sort of Guys not spoilers You know She just sort of like Takes a nap

[02:14:43] She gets a call from her dad And she's really upset Right She walks in here And all the chocolate milk Is there and she goes I guess I missed it And then the last shot Is her just looking at The chocolate milk And someone says

[02:14:55] Hey we're going to record This Hulk episode next Ben, look me in the eyes Yeah Look for that In your feed this Thursday Okay yes Hells yeah Jesus Christ Alright The box office game This movie premiered At the Cannes Film Festival 2009 I did see a weird thing

[02:15:12] On Wikipedia That it opened on a Wednesday And then went wide on Friday So they didn't even try To platform it That's such a boring attempt At platform Like limited release for two days For 48 hours And you know It opened wide It opened in 1300 screens Like you know

[02:15:25] That's wise for this movie No it is I know But like It's not going to open big If you do that Like it's not going to open big No matter what That's why it's like The whole thing feels like A fucking crap It still opened number 7

[02:15:37] Which is not terrible No no no But it was an August release Which is Made what? Like 3 million dollars It opened to 3.4 It made 7.4 Yeah 9.9 worldwide Eww Didn't crack 10 No Number But it's quite a cool As I love August, October, February box office game Is the best

[02:15:55] Because it's always just The weirdest Give me the weekend again August 28th 2009 Okay I can place myself Congrats What are you doing in 2009 Alex? At that time Yeah my first movie Was like a film festival So I can start dating my life Very easily Because it's like

[02:16:11] Oh yeah I think I had just been to this festival In Australia For like my first Is that Impolex? Yeah 2009 and then yeah I was doing nothing I was staying at home Trying to avoid spending money See this was I was filming Where the guns are during this

[02:16:24] This was like The first movie I'd gotten And I thought Here I am I've made it I've made myself to that Also at that time My friend filmmaker Aaron Katz The only time You know our significant others Worked And what we would do

[02:16:38] Like once or twice a week Would be make a point To go see the most garbage Double feature imaginable The two of you together You would go like No we would go to like A one and a three Cool And like that was our day

[02:16:49] And we had nothing else to do So there's a huge amount Of just trash movies From 2008 and 2009 That I saw double features With Aaron So well alright Okay doldrums August Oh nine Number one opening this weekend Uh huh Is I'm gonna say the fifth In a horror franchise

[02:17:09] Believe No the fourth Oh I don't fucking know What it is It was one of them Is it The final destination Yes it's the final destination Right which is the fourth Because it's not the last one They did one more They did five

[02:17:22] They just did the fifth one And it was final destination five Correct Which really is Weird I thought we're gonna end it And then there was a box off his bump Right on four Which was in 3D This opens to 27.4 million Makes 66 That's a great Solid number

[02:17:36] That's a good number Yeah that franchise is pretty interesting I have seen that one I have seen that either I said solid movies I don't know about four But two and three I revisited last year Two and three are pretty great We're solid two for this

[02:17:46] Revisited and solid three For the first time Which one is the logs Two That's two Yes Three is the roller coaster Yeah that's the amazing part Those are the good ones One's the plan One's not even that good Yeah I sent you the bracket

[02:17:59] Oh I don't have like a way Did you text it to me Yeah you made it Okay I don't have email on my phone So the only way to see it would be to Turn it around I'll swing it around for you

[02:18:07] If you want me to break it down Number one Number one, number two Number two is a best picture nominee This year Huge hit District nine Incorporated bastards Correct District nine is number four though There were two All guest best picture nominees One year that's pretty good

[02:18:22] Incorporated bastards This was the first Expanded field years When you said it's second week August 2009 I was just like Glorious bastard I remember those two I knew they would both be in the five My main memory of that month Was how excited I was for that movie

[02:18:34] Which is a very good move I still think it's maybe his best film It's that with Jackie Brown for me Jackie Brown I go between the two When are you guys going to talk about him Under discussed filmmaker Right The amount of people on Reddit

[02:18:45] Who were like it's weird that they Haven't done Tarantino yet And I'm like it's weird huh Yeah it's weird Number three How to describe this Another horror film Opening this weekend as well Weird the two horror films That go against each other Is it a franchise

[02:18:59] Yeah the second in a rebooted franchise It's not It's not the hell's advice too No but you know It's that kind of thing You're in the right And about that pedigree Higher In terms of name size It's higher than that Higher pedigree yeah Higher pedigree

[02:19:16] I did not see this film I did see I think the first reboot Yeah And it was like the person who Rebooted the movie They liked to take enough That they let him do another one Oh oh oh it's H2 Rob Zombie's Halloween 2 Halloween 2 right Family is forever

[02:19:36] You know we should do Rob Zombie I kind of like Rob Zombie as a film Yeah that would be a great series Devil's rejects is a very good film You know what's interesting about that Is that I've maintained for years I was like on it

[02:19:46] This is a great movie Yeah You'd love it We watch a horror movie every day In October and we watch Two years ago she was like Fine let's finally watch it And then half an hour into it I was like this movie sucks Really?

[02:19:56] Yeah it does not suck That my thing with Rob Zombie is He's not good See I loved it at the time And I even watched it like three years later And I was like no still fucks And I don't think I've seen it in ten years

[02:20:04] I checked it I watched it every once in a while I haven't I haven't He was one of those guys where Like the first couple times You're like I just this is new It's different And then by the time he's making The haunted world of L Super B-STER

[02:20:15] You're like this guy is such a One-Shift Phonist Not even that Like Lords of Salem I think that one's good Really? Lords of Salem is good Yeah I know that one I was bummed to finally convince her To watch Devil's Rejects And she was just like

[02:20:27] I can't believe you think this movie's good And I was like I kind of don't anymore So you're not excited for three from hell I am though I thought 31 was okay too I didn't see 31 Halloween 2 made 33 million On a 15 budget I mean whatever

[02:20:40] But the first one did much better I think yes How many Halloween's have there been This is the fourth time The highest grossing Halloween film I think there are ten in total There's ten in total Resurrection was eight Right And then there are two zombies Correct

[02:20:53] And then David Gordon Green's is going to be the 11 And the none Tell me the highest grossing Halloween movie Two? H2O No it's the Rob Zombie one Oh crazy It made 58 Like this has never been like a cash I know For the first one

[02:21:08] You're not just for inflation Isn't it amazing that they made a Halloween movie 20 years after the first one And they called it H2O Insane Yes it is And that one did There's no water If you would just for inflation That movie did really well

[02:21:21] Yeah I think that's kind of cool That movie did very solid Yeah I think it's really funny when they How they did that H2O It was just because it was wet And it's cool that stuff They should have made Insane resurrection

[02:21:31] The next one should have been called Halloween Fire It's just weird that it's called H2O And that was one of the early ones To ignore sequels Correct And now they're doing it again With Halloween I don't think that one ignored sequels

[02:21:43] I think it just brought Jamie Lee back For the first time No it ignores it It ignores all the bullshit about how Michael Myers is like It's a sequel to Halloween 2 I've only ever seen the original Exactly Yeah So at the end of H2O

[02:21:58] She chops his head off with an axe She chops his head off And looks at his face And then in resurrection They're like, eh it was some other guy What a big up thing And resurrection's Buster Rhymes I believe it's like web streaming Imagine all the things

[02:22:11] I don't remember And don't know And I can instantly recall How she kills Michael Myers At the end of H2O I hate my brain so much Steep-Miner movie Gosh heart and it's in it I believe Michelle Williams Jesus Christ Okay And number four is District 9

[02:22:25] Which we talked about You nailed that Number five? It's the first in a two film franchise Made a fair amount of money Action movie They only made two of them Only made two of them The bad guy is a cool voice I like that

[02:22:50] A lot of people in this movie No good guess though It's not an episode It's gonna make 150 It costs 175 Oh wow Oh oh oh This is of course G.I. Joe Rise of Cobra Correct So Steven Summers film maybe A movie I kinda go to the mat for

[02:23:07] I like Summers I think that's the right level of dumb Summers could be a good series Summers of Love I feel like we talked about Summers on the hollow note Dirk! Didn't we talk about Van Helsing maybe? Yeah right right I will take down the G.I. Joe's

[02:23:20] He's pretty much deep rising right? Oh yeah Megatron! This is just another reason we'll never do Michael Bay We'd have to do that for it He done! We've also got Julie and Julia We've got the Time Traveler's Wife Another famously delayed movie This was kinda big Ram month

[02:23:35] Ramly was really swimming in it this morning That movie made me cry Shorts Oh where is it Shorts That's one of my favorite Movie theater marquees of all time Was when that and Glorious Bastards Were both out at the same time At the Court Street

[02:23:50] The Regal Court Street Had said in Glorious Shorts GeForce I saw that Do you see GeForce? Hamster movie? No Is that Galvanakis? No again what a horrible thing For my brain to have bothered to retain Our all-time worst double features All-time worst was Apple Looza and College

[02:24:09] Oh jeez Wow Alex wow This is what I used to do with my time This is why I'm so happy to have jobs now Cause it saves me from doing stuff like that I remember That was the bottom Apple Looza is bad then

[02:24:22] Apple Looza was really boring college I think I maintained probably the worst movie I've ever seen in my life Wow starring Kevin Covey and the Trick Bell We also saw Lakeview Terrace and Ghost Town This is like how we would spend our time Lakeview Terrace is wild

[02:24:36] I kinda like that one That's a weird movie That's an insane movie These are the kind of movies that I'm the most excited Ghost Town's cute I mean sure Yeah like yeah It's a gentleman's side Yeah these are the kinds of movies I'm the most excited

[02:24:47] When I hear them come up on a box office game Where you're just like Oh wow Lakeview Terrace Lakeview Terrace where it was like What if the guy next door is a cop And he doesn't like you And he has a spotlight Samuel Jackson

[02:25:00] Why is he mad at him? Who's the lead of Lakeview Terrace? It was like Tom Jane Patrick Wilson Is Patrick Wilson Kerry Washington I think live next door to Samuel Jackson And it's a Neil Lebut movie Correct And he's like doing that thing where he's like

[02:25:12] I'm asking questions And we're like you're not asking any questions Neil You're just like What if the guy's black I think Sam Jackson's really good though There's a really good moment He's always good When is he ever bad? That's a real never bad

[02:25:23] I think sometimes he's lazy but he's never bad Sure he might just He's like he's Gene Levy if you will Sometimes he's doing the bare minimum Because he knows his bare minimum You just want me to kind of say what would be cool

[02:25:35] Well first of all I was very happy And excited about Nancy Meyers I will say Yeah I think it's gonna be very cool Yeah I mean a lot of these are like kind of obvious David and Ben are canoodles Yeah they are They're touching each other

[02:25:47] I'm a real touchy guy I think Gorda Rabinski would be cool Yeah Peter Jackson I think would be cool Because I really love and care about All six of his Lord of the Rings movies Disagree Sure I kinda do too So I think that could be very interesting

[02:25:59] I hope you don't ever do Hal Ashby Really I would just be so excruciating Who cares There's nothing left to say Do you hit Hal Ashby Or you just think it's shoot over I think you're right I think you're right

[02:26:09] There's some big talk about him coming up this year Right I think it was a Sundance or something There's just nothing left to say Sure Could you fill up 90 minutes to talk about Harold and Maud Well I despised that movie

[02:26:18] I liked that movie but I would not want to do So on it as much as some of the other movies 8 million ways to die I wanna talk about so much These would be excruciating episodes And you'd have to force people to listen to them

[02:26:27] Yeah well we're never actually doing that I think the thought was that we'd only do the 70s Martin Breast would be very cool Mark Breast would be very cool He'd be fun Gilliam Cool Joe Dante Cool Dante would be great Nora Ephron Ephron would be great

[02:26:39] Sam Rami would be excruciating Really? We might do him I'd love to do him It's just gonna be so boring We've gotten close You don't like Spider-Man? You don't like those? I love those Spider-Man! I really, really love two of his 14 movies

[02:26:52] So you're not an evil dead guy at all No I actually think that I hate those movies Really? It's kind of a hot take My capacity for watching like 80s and 70s Like Underground Horror is literally bottomless

[02:27:04] I think those are some of the worst movies I've ever seen That's insane That's crazy This is all good stuff Yeah Sarah Noski, Cool, Luke Besson That would be excruciating We're good chariots Michael Mann would be great I feel like that came close right? Man, we're gonna do

[02:27:17] I mean I'm just gonna make that happen That just has to happen Oh boy the argument Malik would be interesting The concession you're gonna have to make to me When you agree Oh you mean like you're gonna get

[02:27:28] Man out of me and I'm gonna have to let you do fucking The Casper Spirited Beginning 10 times There's gonna be like a quick That's what we should do for two hundred There's gonna be like a quid pro quo I agree to let you do Man and you agree

[02:27:40] Let me do bread silver like No I think some of these are like Like Elaine Maywein You wanna do Man Those would be cool cause those are short Yes Those would be like Short toys I like to have shorties Man is also short

[02:27:54] Some of them are good shorties Sam is getting long Yeah I don't know Buzz Lerman would be great Lerman I'd love to do He's like one of the most applicable I recently rewatched Romeo and Juliet Which is still his best movie in my opinion

[02:28:07] Yeah there's some good stuff in there I was into the bracket from afar We could do an episode where we do a live commentary At Mulan Rouge on Broadway Oh I'd love to do that Well a live commentary might be poorly received By our receipt man

[02:28:17] Jesus Christ I'm a broken man Give me something Lot of good stuff That's true I never give you anything You never give me anything I meant too many of those You don't give me any He told like a twenty minute story about Martin Scrix Good story

[02:28:29] Pay it off nicely Very nice Look the point is you have lots of good options there And I hope the show runs forever I hope you can do all of those I sure Except for the ones I sent Wait what was the one Didn't I specifically email McTiernan

[02:28:44] That's the one I want Yeah that'd be fun You want to come through for medicine man No basic Oh that is such an Alex Whatever the bombs are The only thing I remember about basic Is that it has a quote unquote Rashomon like structure Right

[02:28:57] It also has like an insane twist But it's not that insane And the trailer has a point The trailer has a point Or John Travolta picks up a chair Turns it around Sits on it backwards Like a cool guy And says let me break it down for you

[02:29:07] Or something like that Much like do you want to see the center of the universe These like trailer lines They just leave splinters in your mind Well that was a duly a point To go back to like when we talked about

[02:29:16] Of course when we talked about like our Mutual trivia time Yeah At one point I signed up to do a guest round Which I never did But my dream was Trailer lines Which is to say like A line from a trailer That you were like

[02:29:27] Oh I remember that Like if you want my blood take my blood Right You're insane You're also brilliant Like these lines that the trailer kind of like Is focused around Do you know what I was thinking David? What? We should maybe see if we could

[02:29:39] If we could do videology trivia one night If they would let us do like a blank check trivia night About the show? Not about the show but about the movies we've covered Because there have been so many of them now I think they'll let us do that

[02:29:50] Like I think we can shoot higher than that But yes let's do it why not Don't say that I'm not dissing them I'm just saying like They'll let us do that Okay so we'll play Carnegie Hall I don't know what you want Well I think

[02:30:00] I was just going to say I feel like both of us Have sort of in the last year Kind of shifted from like Blank check is a thing we love to do To like should we put like a lot of eggs In this basket? Is this the thing?

[02:30:11] We just did our A-Series Round of funding And we raised two billion dollars For blank check media So we're trying to forget how to Spend it now It's like a Brewster's million We're gonna start movie pass too Ben has already spent a million dollars

[02:30:24] By an inventory of blank check fidget spinners I told you I emailed you guys When I was visiting I went to like a guest lecture thing At a university of Bloomington, Indiana And like three people in the film department Confided to me

[02:30:38] Like an hour and a half into this dinner They were like just so you know Like we all love blank check And you're at This was like the week The Hollow Man episode came out And they were like we love the insomnia

[02:30:46] I was like well I got good news for you There's an episode coming on Sunday And then I was like You guys all really love it And then they were telling everyone Else at the table about it Happens all the time I'm always places where people bring up

[02:30:57] That they enjoy these appearances And then I said that you guys should go to Bloomington and do like a Because the head of the department The head of the department was like What's this? This sounds very interesting And I was like yeah bring him out

[02:31:08] Have him like screen movies And talk to people And I think I put that in an email And you guys were like sure Let's do a road show Get on a plane and go to Bloomington And show movies to a bunch of fans

[02:31:17] What if we like make it like a hard fill act Griffin's like what if we ruin it though Is there a way it could be like really annoying? I don't know I could have horns or something Ben's like there'll be a wet room Yeah that's funny

[02:31:32] I have a horny head disk I'm never gonna be able to act again I need to figure something else out That's what I'm saying The eggs are slowly being put into this basket Yeah Into Ben's basket Yeah into Ben's basket Ben's basket boy

[02:31:42] What a great episode it's been Oh great for you You listened to us on Ravel I'm just in pain it's fine Alright Alright Thank you for having me back Oh please thank you for being here What an honor and a privilege

[02:31:52] Go see Christopher Robin for the third time Christopher Robin Fever Yeah Christopher Robin's great And also Which is a serious condition I got When I was working on the movie A lot of British people get that Her smell is gonna be a turn on When this post Right

[02:32:12] We were talking about that As of the recording this is not known As of the release of this episode It's literally playing like right now Right it's at like the Roy Thompson Hall We're all there I've seen it I was a very big fan

[02:32:24] Griffin saw a rough cut I haven't seen it You're a critic so you have to wait I know I'm part of the disgusting press I like the inside Wait I gotta tell you a story but Off me If this were coming out today

[02:32:33] That would be too soon to release But September whatever 9th 10th 10th I believe Yeah it'll be out there Gary for that good picture Good talkie Great Yeah I'm very excited Yes thank you all for listening Please remember to subscribe Thanks to Antford Gooder for our social media

[02:32:50] Joe Bowen and Pat Reynolds for our artwork Laymon coming for our theme song Go to Reddit.blankies.com For some real nerdy shit And as always Sure You got me straight tripping both David David if you're a blankie You probably like watching movies True Right? Yeah

[02:33:21] But have you ever thought about Reading movies? Reading about movies Uh huh Interesting twist right Because you know who our sponsor For today's episode is Tell me Abrams Books They have a new book Called Well this book really ties the films together Uh huh

[02:33:37] It's about the Coen Brothers It's written by Adam Naiman The great Toronto Film Critic Who's a friend and blankie I'm pretty sure Adam's listening right now The dude rules and this book is cool It's like a classy coffee table It could be a little coffee table hunkabook

[02:33:52] But I'll say this I got it right And I was showing it off to my downstairs neighbors And they said like Whoa they sent you that for free That's probably a real expensive book And I looked at the price

[02:34:01] Do you know what the price is in the back? I don't know $40 This is like a good value For a book that's going to make you look So smart and sophisticated It's also just like Not like a hacky coffee table book Where it's all pictures

[02:34:11] Adam's put a lot of work into it He's got like big sort of theories On every Coen movie Go through every one of the movies He breaks into arrows It's very blank checky He's doing the narrative Yeah He is doing the narrative

[02:34:22] He's looking at the career as a whole Yeah But Adam said Pictures in this thing are gorgeous Gorgeous pictures Sometimes you've got a two page spread Oh this two page spreads of the opening title cards Which it's really That's really up Davey's alley Anyway, it's a great book

[02:34:35] Friends to the show And like you know Get out there and pick it up As we always say on the show You gotta open the book And in this case the book is Well it really ties the room together