Terminator 2: Judgement Day with Sam Rogal

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David

[00:00:09] Don't know what to say or to express

[00:00:13] All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check

[00:00:20] Okay ready?

[00:00:21] Yeah

[00:00:22] I thought it was me more complicated than I thought it was

[00:00:24] But it's really simple

[00:00:25] Now you're gonna be angry at me when you hear how simple it is

[00:00:29] I now know why you podcast

[00:00:33] I'm not angry, I'm thrilled

[00:00:35] Come with me if you want to podcast

[00:00:37] Yeah that's what I thought you were gonna do

[00:00:39] Podcast Lovey's the baby

[00:00:42] Hosta la podcast baby

[00:00:44] That was almost the title for this miniseries

[00:00:46] Hosta la podcast baby or podcast lovey's the baby

[00:00:48] I think we're talking about podsta lovey's cast

[00:00:52] That was a close contender was podsta lovey's cast

[00:00:56] Oh god

[00:00:57] We were like five minutes before starting an episode

[00:01:00] Just like oh what the fuck are we gonna call it

[00:01:02] And just started yelling lines at each other

[00:01:04] Did Planet Hollywood ever have a dish called podsta lovey's?

[00:01:08] They might

[00:01:09] They probably did

[00:01:10] I'm gonna look it up

[00:01:11] Hey everybody my name is Griffin

[00:01:12] I'm David Sims

[00:01:13] This is a podcast called Blank Check with Griffin and David

[00:01:16] Yes

[00:01:17] You don't have to explain who the Griffin and David are

[00:01:18] Cause we just did that

[00:01:19] Those are our names

[00:01:20] We go through director

[00:01:23] We have early success

[00:01:24] There's a food truck called podsta lovey's the baby

[00:01:27] With no affiliation to Arnold to the guvinator

[00:01:30] Specializing in traditional and authentic Italian cuisine

[00:01:33] From salads to sandwiches and of course podsta baby

[00:01:37] That's what the website says

[00:01:40] I was doing a very formal introduction

[00:01:42] Yeah Blank checks and they bounce

[00:01:44] Yeah Jim Cameron

[00:01:45] Well you skipped a couple steps there

[00:01:47] People won't understand that won't track

[00:01:48] Yeah definitely

[00:01:49] Early success

[00:01:50] Get Blank checks and make crazy movies

[00:01:52] Sure

[00:01:53] We do mini series

[00:01:55] Different director

[00:01:56] We're currently under James Cameron May series

[00:01:58] Which is not titled podsta lovey's cast

[00:02:01] No it's got a great title that everyone loves

[00:02:05] Podinator colon judgment cast

[00:02:08] You can't even get through it without laughing

[00:02:10] Cause I'm having a fun time I'm going

[00:02:12] Exactly

[00:02:13] What a fun time

[00:02:15] One of my good friends Alex Perlin

[00:02:17] I made a joke that he stole to this day

[00:02:20] Says is the funniest thing I will ever say

[00:02:22] Sure

[00:02:23] I'll be the judge of that

[00:02:25] Get ready to laugh

[00:02:26] We were walking by playing a Hollywood in Times Square

[00:02:29] And they had a Freddie vs Jason promotion

[00:02:32] Sure

[00:02:33] And he was like what is a Freddie vs Jason promotion

[00:02:37] Jason

[00:02:38] What is a Freddie vs I have to nail this joke

[00:02:40] Go ahead

[00:02:41] What is a Freddie vs Jason promotion entail

[00:02:44] And I went I don't know spaghetti vs lobster

[00:02:48] What is happening

[00:02:50] Spaghetti vs lobster

[00:02:54] I swear to God

[00:02:55] One of those antagonistic entrees

[00:02:58] When a battle is waged on your plate

[00:03:02] Whoever wins you're full

[00:03:05] Alright that was funny

[00:03:09] I like that

[00:03:11] Today we're talking about the podsta lovey's cast itself

[00:03:16] We're talking about the titular

[00:03:18] The film of our mini series

[00:03:20] Terminator 2 judgment cast

[00:03:21] This is the big day

[00:03:22] This is always the lunar eclipse of our podcasses

[00:03:25] When we get to the titular film

[00:03:28] And oh boy, wonelli

[00:03:30] Wonelli

[00:03:31] I mean you know in anyone else's career

[00:03:33] This would be the biggest film they had ever made

[00:03:35] I mean yeah for sure

[00:03:37] It's still one of the biggest films ever made

[00:03:40] But dude just kept on top of himself off

[00:03:42] We have very special guest

[00:03:44] Here to talk with us about the movie

[00:03:46] Yes we do

[00:03:47] He's one of my oldest friends

[00:03:49] One of my best friends

[00:03:50] He's an improviser comedian

[00:03:52] Of many sorts

[00:03:53] All around New York City

[00:03:55] Performs regularly with the team metalboy

[00:03:57] At the magnet theater

[00:03:58] That's sort of the big house

[00:04:00] Yeah

[00:04:01] Wait a metalboy

[00:04:02] Metalboy

[00:04:03] And this movie is about a metal man

[00:04:04] It's true

[00:04:05] Two metal men

[00:04:06] Yup

[00:04:07] Yup

[00:04:08] Alright

[00:04:09] Now you know why I'm here

[00:04:11] Now you know why we cry

[00:04:14] But here's the biggest credit

[00:04:16] And I don't want to bury this

[00:04:18] Oh okay

[00:04:19] He is part of the original

[00:04:23] Four person consortium

[00:04:25] That created

[00:04:26] Oh it's true

[00:04:27] The parameters

[00:04:28] Yup

[00:04:29] And the rules

[00:04:30] Yup

[00:04:31] For comedy points

[00:04:32] Yeah the founding fathers

[00:04:33] The founding fathers

[00:04:34] You know since I've been listening to the podcast

[00:04:35] Yeah

[00:04:36] And hear you guys talk about comedy points

[00:04:37] I've tried to remember its inception

[00:04:39] Okay so we're gonna get into this

[00:04:40] I'm gonna introduce you and then we're gonna get into it

[00:04:41] Okay yeah yeah

[00:04:42] Because this is very important

[00:04:43] Okay

[00:04:44] So he's part of the original Mount Points more

[00:04:45] Yeah

[00:04:46] Myself

[00:04:47] Patrick May

[00:04:48] And I'm a real hunter Kalini

[00:04:49] And our very special guest today

[00:04:51] Sam Rogal

[00:04:52] Hey thank you for having me

[00:04:53] Thank you so much for being here

[00:04:54] Very excited

[00:04:55] This is one of my favorite movies of all time

[00:04:56] Yeah it's a good one

[00:04:57] It's a great picture

[00:04:58] Yeah it's one of the best talkies we've ever gotten

[00:05:00] Absolutely

[00:05:01] Now I don't remember the exact moment

[00:05:02] We did an annual trip every year

[00:05:05] To visit friends of ours in Toronto

[00:05:07] That we called Man Party

[00:05:08] Do you still do that or do you not anymore

[00:05:11] It's been hard

[00:05:12] Schedules have been tough

[00:05:13] It's a development hell

[00:05:14] I remember Griffin tweeting from a man party

[00:05:16] Recently-ish like a couple years ago

[00:05:18] We didn't do one this year

[00:05:19] No I think it was

[00:05:20] 15 was the last one

[00:05:21] And it seemed like a disaster

[00:05:23] Well it always is

[00:05:24] I mean that's kind of the bit of man party

[00:05:25] Is that we tweet about like getting ready for it

[00:05:28] Yeah

[00:05:29] As if it's gonna be this like huge fucking like Coachella

[00:05:32] Kind of awesome

[00:05:33] Kind of love in kind of thing

[00:05:34] And then it's always just within like 12 hours

[00:05:37] Of us landing

[00:05:38] Us tweeting about being miserable

[00:05:40] I would say it's like a blank check film

[00:05:42] 100%

[00:05:43] With just like a lot of money goes in

[00:05:44] A lot of money

[00:05:45] They get more expensive every year

[00:05:48] It's true

[00:05:49] We always did talk about it as a franchise

[00:05:52] Yeah

[00:05:53] Yeah

[00:05:54] And trying to branch out

[00:05:55] Cause we did a couple spin-on

[00:05:56] I mean we did Manmarica

[00:05:57] There was Manifornia

[00:05:59] Which was I was not part of

[00:06:00] It was just me and Ale

[00:06:01] Right

[00:06:02] But that was kind of like the Kardashian mother ship

[00:06:03] Which then has like Chloe

[00:06:04] And Courtney Go-West or whatever those

[00:06:07] Guys

[00:06:08] This is all great

[00:06:09] But let's never speak of it again

[00:06:10] So let's talk about the important thing here

[00:06:11] Which is comedy

[00:06:12] For fuck's sake

[00:06:13] Okay so in one of the rides up

[00:06:15] Somehow that came up

[00:06:16] I think

[00:06:17] All I remember

[00:06:18] Yeah

[00:06:19] All I can take credit for

[00:06:20] Is I was definitely the one who came up with it

[00:06:22] The rules

[00:06:23] Yeah

[00:06:24] Here's the thing

[00:06:25] Isn't the rule basically like you can't

[00:06:27] You can't keep track

[00:06:28] There are more

[00:06:29] Cause we play pretty fast and loose here

[00:06:30] You guys don't play about the rules

[00:06:31] On the show

[00:06:32] But Sam is a very organized person

[00:06:34] Yeah

[00:06:35] Sam believes in structure

[00:06:36] He's the James Cameron of ManParty

[00:06:38] Sure

[00:06:39] And he established the rules

[00:06:40] It was like

[00:06:41] It's four comedians in like a 12 hour car ride

[00:06:43] And a lot of fucking jokes are happening

[00:06:45] Everyone's trying to one up each other

[00:06:46] And it sort of got to this point where it was like

[00:06:48] Rather than laughing

[00:06:49] Cause we might not have the energy to laugh

[00:06:50] Or we're hungover

[00:06:51] Whatever the fuck it is

[00:06:52] You can hand someone a comedy point

[00:06:53] Yeah I get that

[00:06:54] It's like a fave

[00:06:55] Right

[00:06:56] And then the rules were established that you could

[00:06:57] You could give between one and three

[00:06:59] Comedy points

[00:07:00] Is that correct

[00:07:01] But Pat May

[00:07:02] The fourth member of Mount Pointsmore

[00:07:04] Was the only one who could give more than three

[00:07:07] He could give five

[00:07:08] Yeah

[00:07:09] Since then I mean the rules have gone at the window

[00:07:10] It's anyone can get anything

[00:07:11] But then the other key rule was of course

[00:07:12] You cannot keep track

[00:07:13] If you know how many comedy points you have

[00:07:15] That seems very crucial

[00:07:16] Right

[00:07:17] Yeah

[00:07:18] The whole thing falls

[00:07:19] Yeah it doesn't work

[00:07:20] Now later we got into the point of being able to

[00:07:22] Tax people comedy points for a bad bit

[00:07:24] But that was always very hotly contested

[00:07:26] Yeah because then where are they going

[00:07:27] Right

[00:07:28] That's what taxing is

[00:07:29] Is you're collecting it somewhere

[00:07:30] Right

[00:07:31] But then it became like

[00:07:32] You couldn't subtract comedy points

[00:07:33] But you could give someone

[00:07:34] Negative comedy points

[00:07:35] Something like that

[00:07:36] So did you know that on cable television

[00:07:38] He was given comedy points

[00:07:39] You told me about this

[00:07:41] And it made me so happy

[00:07:43] And it was my fault

[00:07:45] I didn't even know that I was interfering

[00:07:47] In Mount Pointsmore or whatever

[00:07:49] I mean it's amazing

[00:07:50] It was incredible

[00:07:51] He gave you too many though

[00:07:52] How many did he give you?

[00:07:53] He gave you five

[00:07:54] I think he gave me five and he's not fat

[00:07:56] I think I told him to give you ten

[00:07:58] But I may have just

[00:07:59] Maybe he gave me ten

[00:08:00] I'm gonna check my DMs right now

[00:08:01] Yeah slide into those DMs

[00:08:02] Slide into the DMs with Andy Lee

[00:08:05] The other

[00:08:06] I mean there was always this gray area

[00:08:07] About weather

[00:08:08] I said ten

[00:08:09] If he gave you less

[00:08:10] Then he was really

[00:08:11] He was really fucking with you

[00:08:12] Then you didn't do a richer

[00:08:13] I didn't deserve more honestly

[00:08:14] There was also the thing

[00:08:15] With comedy points about

[00:08:16] Whether you could

[00:08:17] You could dab someone some points

[00:08:18] Cause the thing was always

[00:08:19] A comedy point would happen

[00:08:20] With a handshake

[00:08:21] I mean we made rules

[00:08:22] And they were all meant to be broken

[00:08:23] But it was always

[00:08:24] The handshake was

[00:08:25] The transfer of the comedy points

[00:08:26] And then the dapping

[00:08:27] Was sort of equivalent to a credit card

[00:08:28] Yeah

[00:08:29] If you didn't want to reach out the hand

[00:08:30] You could dab someone

[00:08:31] Some points

[00:08:32] You know

[00:08:33] For later

[00:08:34] I really I just

[00:08:35] Pray to God that we

[00:08:36] Don't speak of this anymore

[00:08:37] I just pray

[00:08:38] Pray to the Almighty God

[00:08:39] I have a question

[00:08:40] Who's this?

[00:08:41] Oh my god

[00:08:42] Wait a second hold on

[00:08:43] It's Ben, hi

[00:08:44] It's Ben, hi

[00:08:45] Yeah

[00:08:46] Ben Hosley

[00:08:47] Yeah hey

[00:08:48] Producer Ben

[00:08:49] That's right

[00:08:50] Ben Dooser

[00:08:51] Yeah

[00:08:52] Mr. Hositive

[00:08:53] The Poet Laureate

[00:08:54] I will I was gonna

[00:08:55] The fuckmaster

[00:08:56] I just

[00:08:57] Birthday Benny

[00:08:58] I could I

[00:08:59] The tiebreaker

[00:09:00] Yeah

[00:09:01] You're not Professor Crispy

[00:09:02] Right

[00:09:03] White Hot Benny

[00:09:04] No, no

[00:09:05] You are White Hot Benny though

[00:09:06] Yeah sure

[00:09:07] That's a new one

[00:09:08] And how do we say hi to you

[00:09:09] What would be a hello fennel

[00:09:10] What would be a salutation

[00:09:11] Yeah

[00:09:12] A hearty hello fennel

[00:09:13] Are you

[00:09:14] Our finest film critic

[00:09:15] You guys seem to think so

[00:09:17] I mean sure

[00:09:18] No I've heard a rumor

[00:09:19] Yeah

[00:09:20] I need to run this by you

[00:09:21] If you can confirm or deny

[00:09:23] That you have graduated

[00:09:24] To certain titles

[00:09:25] As a result of different miniseries

[00:09:26] Okay yeah

[00:09:27] I can do that

[00:09:28] That is true

[00:09:29] No

[00:09:30] Yeah it's true and I can do it

[00:09:31] Let me run a couple by you

[00:09:32] And see if they're real

[00:09:33] Okay

[00:09:34] Producer Ben Kanove

[00:09:35] That's because that's a base

[00:09:36] Around we did Star Wars miniseries

[00:09:38] Kylo Bell

[00:09:39] Don't drag this out

[00:09:40] Right and that's the new

[00:09:41] Star Wars movie

[00:09:42] Ben Knight Shyamalan

[00:09:43] Yeah cause we did something about

[00:09:44] M. Knight Shyamalan

[00:09:45] Ben C

[00:09:46] Right and that's the Wachowski

[00:09:47] Series

[00:09:48] Right Benny Lane or say Benny

[00:09:50] You know we should settle this

[00:09:52] Benny Lane is out say Benny

[00:09:54] Say Benny

[00:09:55] Wait it's happening

[00:09:56] Let's still

[00:09:57] Breaking news

[00:09:58] Breaking news

[00:09:59] Let's just do it

[00:10:00] You know what

[00:10:01] We ignored the fans before

[00:10:02] We could do it again

[00:10:03] We can't acknowledge this

[00:10:04] Podcast which we are going to

[00:10:05] Record tomorrow

[00:10:06] Okay good

[00:10:07] We can't do it

[00:10:08] Okay

[00:10:09] The surprises for this podcast

[00:10:10] So when you listen to this podcast

[00:10:12] Then go back and listen to the

[00:10:13] Abyss episode and be blown away

[00:10:15] By the quality of our performances

[00:10:16] Oh god

[00:10:17] What Chris back then

[00:10:18] Cause we're gonna act

[00:10:19] Hey

[00:10:20] You sound like you're fishing to

[00:10:22] Be Professor Crispy

[00:10:23] But a line like that

[00:10:25] Say Benny thing

[00:10:26] Hey what's up Ben Haasler

[00:10:28] Yeah

[00:10:29] He's here

[00:10:30] I guess we need to think of a

[00:10:31] Camera name for him soon

[00:10:32] I already forgot

[00:10:33] What was your question

[00:10:35] How do you feel about

[00:10:37] Chris Hardwick

[00:10:38] Sort of

[00:10:39] Points

[00:10:40] Yeah moving into that real state

[00:10:42] We were 100% before that

[00:10:44] I'm not gonna say he stole it from us

[00:10:47] Because I have no evidence of that

[00:10:48] And it's almost impossible that

[00:10:49] That is true

[00:10:50] But we did come up with this

[00:10:51] Concept before

[00:10:52] But you didn't come up with

[00:10:53] The concept of points

[00:10:55] Like

[00:10:56] No just saying

[00:10:57] He's not giving comedy points

[00:10:59] He's giving points

[00:11:00] And he's giving points for comedy

[00:11:02] That's the gray area

[00:11:03] Yeah it's not a gray area

[00:11:04] It's very different

[00:11:05] It's very different

[00:11:06] I just think that specificity

[00:11:07] Is the key of all great comedy

[00:11:09] Here's what I'm mad about

[00:11:10] Okay

[00:11:11] The nightly show with Larry Wilmore

[00:11:12] Was canceled

[00:11:13] I was a big fan of that show

[00:11:14] They did not keep it 100

[00:11:16] Comedy Central did not keep it 100

[00:11:18] But that means for a while

[00:11:21] Comedy Central moved at midnight

[00:11:23] To the 1130s

[00:11:24] Yeah

[00:11:25] What

[00:11:26] At midnight

[00:11:27] Why call it at midnight

[00:11:28] It's in the name

[00:11:29] Why shackle yourself to that

[00:11:30] That was actually a weird choice

[00:11:31] Really?

[00:11:32] Yeah

[00:11:33] They should have just called it at night

[00:11:34] There was that thing before

[00:11:35] Huh?

[00:11:36] Yes

[00:11:37] When Colbert left before the nightly show

[00:11:39] Happened they were talking about moving it

[00:11:41] To 1130 and they were like

[00:11:42] But we can't do that

[00:11:43] It's at midnight

[00:11:44] Also

[00:11:46] The fact that it was called the nightly show

[00:11:47] Was weird

[00:11:48] I mean it was going to be called the minority

[00:11:49] Report

[00:11:50] And then they were going to get sued

[00:11:51] By Fox or whatever

[00:11:52] Right

[00:11:53] But I don't like that there's a daily show

[00:11:55] Immediately followed by a nightly show

[00:11:57] That feels weird

[00:11:58] It was 1130 a.m.

[00:12:00] And then noon

[00:12:02] Maybe you could convince me

[00:12:03] Some other time

[00:12:04] Some other forum

[00:12:05] We're going to have to discuss in length

[00:12:07] Like there will be an epic tome

[00:12:09] Written some day about how badly

[00:12:11] Comedy Central managed

[00:12:13] Replacing the daily show

[00:12:15] Yeah that's true

[00:12:16] They'll be like a Bill Carter

[00:12:18] Ask late shift

[00:12:20] I love that movie

[00:12:22] Hey treat Williams

[00:12:23] We talked about him

[00:12:24] A couple weeks ago

[00:12:25] You haven't probably listened to

[00:12:26] You told me where you're at

[00:12:27] I don't think you got to our

[00:12:29] Discussion of treat Williams' performance

[00:12:30] Of Michael Ovitz

[00:12:31] In the movie The Late Shift

[00:12:32] It's great

[00:12:33] I think they should do the second book

[00:12:35] And have someone play Conan

[00:12:36] Who would play Conan?

[00:12:37] Well the joke's still the swing

[00:12:38] The real answer is probably

[00:12:40] Heights important

[00:12:42] Vince Vaughn

[00:12:44] No

[00:12:45] Come on

[00:12:46] I'm trying to think of guys who are

[00:12:48] Over six feet tall

[00:12:50] And then

[00:12:51] You could trick that a little

[00:12:52] You know who's over six feet

[00:12:54] I got a good answer

[00:12:55] Zach Woods

[00:12:56] Oh he might be good

[00:12:58] I mean you got to get the coloring

[00:13:00] You know the hair

[00:13:01] He's got the pale nose

[00:13:02] And I think he's got a similar

[00:13:04] Energy and lengthiness

[00:13:05] He could be really good

[00:13:06] Just put a green skullcap on him

[00:13:07] And digitize that hair

[00:13:08] You know who else is

[00:13:09] Over six feet tall

[00:13:10] Yes

[00:13:11] You know who else is

[00:13:12] Over six feet tall

[00:13:13] Pierce, I found out

[00:13:14] True

[00:13:15] Congratulations on the ticket

[00:13:16] I think I know

[00:13:17] That's great news

[00:13:18] Oh I know where this is going

[00:13:19] I know where this is going

[00:13:20] Arnold Schwarzenegger

[00:13:21] Yeah

[00:13:22] A star of Terminator 2

[00:13:24] Judgment day

[00:13:25] Great

[00:13:26] Can I tell you where I thought this was going

[00:13:27] Where'd you think it was going

[00:13:28] David Elson

[00:13:29] I am over six feet tall

[00:13:30] This is true

[00:13:31] In fact, Arnold Schwarzenegger's height

[00:13:33] Who wants the hazard again

[00:13:35] I think he's only like six two

[00:13:38] Yeah I don't think he's super tall

[00:13:40] Six one

[00:13:41] Bingo, six two

[00:13:42] He's listed at six two

[00:13:43] I am six three

[00:13:44] I am taller than Arnold Schwarzenegger

[00:13:46] You could beat him in a fight

[00:13:47] Dwayne Johnson, six four

[00:13:48] Which is for some reason

[00:13:49] Comes up when I Google his height

[00:13:51] Also told me of Dwayne Johnson

[00:13:53] Is the modern replacement

[00:13:55] He is but it's not

[00:13:57] It's very different

[00:13:58] It's a sign of how culture has changed

[00:14:00] But he is filling that slot

[00:14:03] That Schwarzenegger used to fill

[00:14:05] He is

[00:14:06] And I feel like when 2000-ish rolled around

[00:14:08] People started asking that question

[00:14:10] Like who's the next Arnie

[00:14:11] And the answer was like

[00:14:12] Well, there's not really going to be a next Arnie

[00:14:14] Yeah

[00:14:15] But there's going to be people like him

[00:14:16] Arnie was a time and a place thing

[00:14:17] And I think you'd look at like

[00:14:19] How much more like

[00:14:21] Dwayne Johnson has to do

[00:14:23] Equal the sort of cultural impact

[00:14:25] Of Schwarzenegger

[00:14:26] Where it was like

[00:14:27] Schwarzenegger would have a movie

[00:14:28] Like every other year

[00:14:29] And it was a fucking event

[00:14:30] In fact

[00:14:31] In fact

[00:14:32] I'm going to talk to you about

[00:14:33] So we talked

[00:14:34] Schwarzenegger and I would have done ballers

[00:14:36] Is the big point

[00:14:37] Probably not

[00:14:38] You know

[00:14:39] Well, it's weird that he does ballers

[00:14:40] It's even in the weird

[00:14:41] Even in this day and age

[00:14:43] Of TV everywhere

[00:14:45] And people doing all kinds of shit

[00:14:47] It's odd that he does ballers

[00:14:49] Which is a creepy show

[00:14:52] Really creepy

[00:14:53] It's like entourage but football

[00:14:54] Right, I've never seen an episode

[00:14:55] It's like toxic masculinity

[00:14:56] Like in define

[00:14:58] At least in entourage

[00:14:59] They were making fun of

[00:15:01] Well

[00:15:02] Entourage is pretty indepensible

[00:15:04] It's like HBO

[00:15:05] Had a meeting with their executives

[00:15:07] And went like

[00:15:08] Could we come up with a version

[00:15:09] Of entourage that Griffin would like

[00:15:11] Even less

[00:15:12] And they were like sports

[00:15:13] Yeah, it's very true

[00:15:14] That's the only thing we had them on board with

[00:15:16] Yeah

[00:15:17] This great thing is really taken off

[00:15:20] What do you think guys?

[00:15:22] It's great, this is great

[00:15:24] I'm so glad we had Rachel on the Terminator episode

[00:15:26] To slap us down once in a while

[00:15:28] We got some good slapping going on

[00:15:30] So I'm just gonna give you

[00:15:31] We talked about the Terminator on this podcast

[00:15:33] On this pod

[00:15:34] You might call it

[00:15:35] I did skip ahead and listen to that episode

[00:15:36] Oh, fair enough

[00:15:37] Just to get some context

[00:15:38] And you rewatched the Terminator

[00:15:39] And I rewatched one and two

[00:15:40] In preparation for this

[00:15:41] Fair call

[00:15:42] Okay, so

[00:15:43] Did you like Terminator 1?

[00:15:44] Good move

[00:15:45] I like Terminator 1

[00:15:46] Because Griffin and I were talking a little bit before

[00:15:48] It's very much a product

[00:15:50] Of the 80s

[00:15:51] Sure

[00:15:52] And it feels like an 80s sci-fi whore

[00:15:55] It feels like a very good one

[00:15:56] It does, it does

[00:15:57] But it feels a little

[00:15:58] Yeah

[00:15:59] And it feels small

[00:16:00] Like when you watch T2

[00:16:01] T2 is huge

[00:16:02] It's very big

[00:16:03] It feels fucking big

[00:16:05] And here's the thing

[00:16:06] Even when I like it

[00:16:07] I was waiting for Ben

[00:16:09] Well my other question is

[00:16:10] Are you guys doing T2 3D either or I?

[00:16:13] No

[00:16:14] We can't

[00:16:15] We can't watch it

[00:16:16] Yeah

[00:16:17] There's like versions on YouTube

[00:16:18] But they are completely inscrutable

[00:16:20] Because I just want to tell Ben

[00:16:21] I don't know, Ben

[00:16:22] Have you ever seen T2 3D the ride?

[00:16:24] Voyage Across Time?

[00:16:25] No

[00:16:26] It features

[00:16:27] Battle Across Time

[00:16:28] Oh

[00:16:29] It features

[00:16:30] The T1 million

[00:16:31] Yeah, which is stupid

[00:16:32] Which is a huge

[00:16:33] That's a lot of numbers

[00:16:35] It's stupid

[00:16:36] It's fucking stupid

[00:16:37] Well Robert Patrick plays the T1000

[00:16:39] Yeah

[00:16:40] Arnold Schwarzenegger

[00:16:41] That's the T101

[00:16:43] No, he's the 800

[00:16:45] 800?

[00:16:46] Not to get your nerd

[00:16:47] Terminator

[00:16:48] The first one

[00:16:49] The first one is the T101

[00:16:50] That's the 100

[00:16:51] I believe it's 101

[00:16:52] Okay, 101

[00:16:53] I can't remember for it

[00:16:54] And then in 2 he's the T800

[00:16:55] He's a slightly better version

[00:16:56] Which I guess is just designed to explain

[00:16:57] Why he doesn't look like a wax mold

[00:16:59] When he like

[00:17:00] You know, takes his eye out

[00:17:01] Or whatever

[00:17:02] And then Terminator 3

[00:17:03] He's the T850

[00:17:04] Which is that upgrade

[00:17:05] Where they just added like 15 years

[00:17:07] And what is she?

[00:17:08] And what is she?

[00:17:09] The TX

[00:17:11] Oh, she's the T1000

[00:17:12] No, because

[00:17:13] Oh right

[00:17:14] Patrick's the T1000

[00:17:15] She's the TX

[00:17:16] Okay

[00:17:17] It makes no sense

[00:17:18] I don't want to talk about anything past that

[00:17:19] I'm sorry

[00:17:20] I have to get this right

[00:17:21] Because it's actually crazy

[00:17:22] Okay

[00:17:23] He is Model 101

[00:17:25] And I assume that refers to

[00:17:27] The Arnold skin

[00:17:29] Right

[00:17:30] Is the Model 101

[00:17:31] Okay

[00:17:32] He is in Terminator 2

[00:17:33] 800

[00:17:34] Right

[00:17:35] He's a T800

[00:17:36] Model 101

[00:17:38] Version 2.4

[00:17:39] But let's not

[00:17:40] I don't think they say that in a

[00:17:43] Sorry

[00:17:45] I'm gonna look up what he is in

[00:17:47] In the Terminator

[00:17:48] The original Terminator

[00:17:49] Look, I'm on the Terminator Wiki

[00:17:51] But the grander point

[00:17:53] Is that the T1 million in the ride

[00:17:55] Is like the biggest

[00:17:56] He's like a huge spider

[00:17:58] He's a metal spider then

[00:17:59] Yeah

[00:18:00] And it's huge

[00:18:01] That's the whole point

[00:18:02] It's like the biggest Terminator

[00:18:03] In 3D

[00:18:04] Yeah

[00:18:05] That's, I mean, a spider

[00:18:06] Is it still playing?

[00:18:07] No

[00:18:08] At Orlando, I think it maybe is

[00:18:10] Done in Hollywood

[00:18:11] I think it's done in both

[00:18:12] Cause I went to Hollywood recently

[00:18:13] And was so excited to ride it

[00:18:14] And had been replaced by

[00:18:15] I erroneously said it had been

[00:18:17] Replaced by Shrek 4D

[00:18:18] Which I will say

[00:18:19] As I said before, is a shitty movie

[00:18:21] It was actually replaced by the Minions ride

[00:18:23] I think it's been replaced by the Minions in both

[00:18:24] Guys, we've talked about this already on the podcast

[00:18:26] It doesn't matter

[00:18:27] It's the second best Terminator film

[00:18:29] Okay

[00:18:30] In my opinion

[00:18:31] Okay, so

[00:18:32] I love it

[00:18:33] I think it's better than T1

[00:18:34] The YouTube videos that are available

[00:18:35] Are literally someone filming the screen

[00:18:37] So it's the blurry 3D thing

[00:18:39] And also part of that thing is

[00:18:41] The real stunt people

[00:18:43] On stage interacting with the movie

[00:18:45] So you can't fucking watch

[00:18:46] Also the whole thing where you're waiting

[00:18:48] To go in and they play that movie with Shack

[00:18:50] Which is so amazing

[00:18:52] I guess we'll just have to go to Universal Studios

[00:18:54] The boys are going to Universal

[00:18:56] I'd do it

[00:18:57] Okay, so he's a T800 in both

[00:19:00] But the model is 101

[00:19:02] Let's never speak of this again

[00:19:04] Alright, so Arnold Schwarzenegger

[00:19:06] In 84, him and Jimmy C

[00:19:08] They make Terminator, does well

[00:19:10] Great movie

[00:19:11] Jimmy C goes on and makes Aliens

[00:19:13] Big Hit

[00:19:14] He makes the Abyss, oh no

[00:19:16] No, no, no

[00:19:17] Doesn't do well

[00:19:18] Doesn't do well

[00:19:19] I think most people who worked on that show

[00:19:21] Actively spoke of wanting to murder him

[00:19:24] For making him

[00:19:25] I mean, worked on that movie

[00:19:26] It was a

[00:19:27] Hey, that's Paul Linga

[00:19:29] And Harris literally said

[00:19:30] I will never talk about that movie again

[00:19:32] Like it was like

[00:19:33] It's not bad

[00:19:34] It's watchable

[00:19:35] No, no, I mean the experience making it

[00:19:37] It was drowned the cast

[00:19:39] It was notably like one of the tensest

[00:19:41] You know, sort of productions

[00:19:43] Well they're in water the whole time

[00:19:45] And it was like uncharted technology

[00:19:47] And he was drowning everybody

[00:19:48] He was drowning everybody

[00:19:49] And you have like famous hothead Ed Harris

[00:19:51] Like well known as one of the most

[00:19:53] Like a rassable actors around

[00:19:55] In a room like underwater

[00:19:58] With James Cameron who demands like excellence from everybody

[00:20:01] His head's so hot

[00:20:03] He burned all his hair off

[00:20:05] It's gone

[00:20:06] Three comedy plays

[00:20:07] Alright

[00:20:08] That undeserving

[00:20:09] I just want you to know that we're shaking hands

[00:20:10] When we're doing this

[00:20:11] I know it's weird

[00:20:12] Because we're going by the old official assessment

[00:20:13] Oh, I see

[00:20:14] But what if you're

[00:20:15] Who's someone's driving

[00:20:16] If you have to like reach over

[00:20:17] Well that's when you would dab it

[00:20:18] If you couldn't transfer a handshake

[00:20:19] I don't know why I brought this up

[00:20:20] I don't know why I wanted to talk about it

[00:20:21] We'd be adab

[00:20:22] We talked about the abeth

[00:20:24] We talked about the abeth

[00:20:25] Yeah

[00:20:26] But so, Arnie

[00:20:27] So Jimmy C. I feel like he's

[00:20:29] A little bit of a

[00:20:31] Lois he ever gets in his career

[00:20:33] Yeah

[00:20:34] This is only like sort of missed that

[00:20:35] So it makes a lot of sense that he's like

[00:20:37] Let me, you know

[00:20:38] Let me go back to the juice

[00:20:39] Go back to safe territory

[00:20:40] T2

[00:20:41] Right

[00:20:42] Go back to the juice

[00:20:43] Even though we're going to

[00:20:44] We'll talk about that in a second

[00:20:45] He got like so much money for this movie

[00:20:46] And it was a risk in and of itself

[00:20:48] But Arnie

[00:20:49] Yeah

[00:20:50] Arnie

[00:20:51] Commando

[00:20:52] Right

[00:20:53] He plays John Matrix

[00:20:55] Right

[00:20:56] That happens the year after Terminator 1

[00:20:57] That's 85

[00:20:58] Yeah

[00:20:59] And that is a really good movie

[00:21:00] Is that the one where he kills someone

[00:21:01] With a pipe and says blow off some steam

[00:21:03] I think so, yes

[00:21:04] I believe so

[00:21:05] John Matrix is my favorite

[00:21:07] Arnie name

[00:21:08] They gave him these names that are like

[00:21:10] So American

[00:21:11] Who the fuck would ever be called

[00:21:12] John Matrix

[00:21:14] Well that's the thing

[00:21:15] That's the thing

[00:21:17] Of the Winchester Matrix

[00:21:19] Like imagine that being

[00:21:21] Ellis Island

[00:21:22] Wachowski

[00:21:23] What do you want to change your name to?

[00:21:25] Matrix

[00:21:27] And like also yeah

[00:21:28] It's 85

[00:21:29] Those are the days when

[00:21:30] He's really pushing

[00:21:31] Like the boundaries of his speech

[00:21:33] Yeah

[00:21:34] He makes Raw Deal

[00:21:36] What's Raw Deal?

[00:21:37] You know it's the

[00:21:38] We, you know

[00:21:39] They remade it recently

[00:21:40] It's like

[00:21:41] A bunch of

[00:21:43] Fucking no

[00:21:47] No I'm convin-

[00:21:48] Oh sorry I was confusing with Red Dawn

[00:21:49] Oh oh oh oh

[00:21:50] Raw deal is like

[00:21:51] They gave him a raw deal

[00:21:52] And now he's gonna give it back to him

[00:21:54] I don't really?

[00:21:55] Yeah yeah

[00:21:56] That sounds great

[00:21:57] He's like an informant

[00:21:58] Or something

[00:21:59] Okay

[00:22:00] And like the FBI fucks him over

[00:22:01] Something that's like

[00:22:02] Kill a bunch of mafia people

[00:22:03] I haven't

[00:22:04] If I've seen it

[00:22:05] I don't remember

[00:22:06] Okay so that's 86

[00:22:07] That's 86

[00:22:08] 87 Predator

[00:22:09] Where he plays

[00:22:10] Alan Dutch Shaffer

[00:22:12] Yeah

[00:22:13] Again

[00:22:14] Cause you know

[00:22:15] Love it

[00:22:16] A guy with an Austrian accent

[00:22:17] You call him Dutch

[00:22:18] He's so cool

[00:22:19] Not so funny

[00:22:20] Get to the shop

[00:22:21] All that stuff

[00:22:22] Predator

[00:22:23] It's a fucking master piece

[00:22:24] Fucking rules

[00:22:25] Really great movie

[00:22:26] Two future governors are in that movie

[00:22:27] Yes Jesse Ventura is in that movie

[00:22:28] Yeah

[00:22:29] It's the only movie to feature

[00:22:30] The ones who went on to be governors

[00:22:31] Is that true?

[00:22:32] Hey

[00:22:33] Good stat

[00:22:34] Also the Running Man in 87

[00:22:35] Okay

[00:22:36] Which is a cool movie

[00:22:37] Although it's not as big a hit

[00:22:38] Directed by Starsky I believe

[00:22:39] Of Starsky and Hodge

[00:22:41] Uh yes

[00:22:42] Yeah

[00:22:43] Paul Michael Glazer

[00:22:44] Yeah

[00:22:45] Alright and then Red Heat

[00:22:46] In 88 the comedy with

[00:22:47] Blue Sheet

[00:22:48] Finally

[00:22:49] Our two Titans of cinema

[00:22:50] At the point they went

[00:22:51] Let's get Schwartz

[00:22:52] And the Belouche

[00:22:53] It's just funny year

[00:22:54] Cause Twins is 88

[00:22:55] Twins is a huge hit

[00:22:56] He's getting a little funny that year

[00:22:58] I think within those movies

[00:22:59] People forget

[00:23:00] Twins made $215 million

[00:23:01] Oh it was humongous

[00:23:02] In 1988

[00:23:03] It was a

[00:23:04] Yeah

[00:23:05] Colossal

[00:23:06] And I think like within these movies

[00:23:07] You're talking about

[00:23:08] He is figuring out more and more

[00:23:09] How to be a leading man

[00:23:11] Very much

[00:23:12] He's the auteur of these movies

[00:23:13] Yeah and how to do comedy

[00:23:14] Effectively

[00:23:15] Because Intermediator 2

[00:23:16] He's a really funny character

[00:23:18] It's so funny

[00:23:19] It's such a funny movie

[00:23:20] Well we're almost there

[00:23:21] Sorry

[00:23:22] The key to Schwartz and Edgar

[00:23:23] Is that he

[00:23:24] Over the course of these films

[00:23:25] In between Terminator 1

[00:23:26] And Terminator 2

[00:23:27] Twins is his idea

[00:23:28] Like very much

[00:23:29] A lot of people in the middle

[00:23:30] Yeah no really

[00:23:31] It's a great idea

[00:23:32] Yeah

[00:23:33] Um it is

[00:23:34] It's limited

[00:23:35] Yeah

[00:23:36] I mean like today

[00:23:37] The movie is not good

[00:23:38] Yeah

[00:23:39] Here's the thing

[00:23:40] The movie is so high concept

[00:23:41] That is insane

[00:23:42] If he pitched up a movie today

[00:23:43] They'd be like

[00:23:44] That's a great funnier die short

[00:23:45] Aren't they making

[00:23:46] Triplets

[00:23:47] No

[00:23:48] They are not making Triplets

[00:23:49] I hope they make Triplets

[00:23:50] Eddie Murphy who has like

[00:23:51] Delivered one joke in the last

[00:23:52] Five years

[00:23:53] Like Eddie

[00:23:54] What had happened to him

[00:23:55] We should do a whole

[00:23:56] Eddie Murphy movie

[00:23:57] I mean you know I'm

[00:23:58] The distinguished podcast

[00:23:59] Sorry that's

[00:24:00] For reference to one of the most

[00:24:02] Obscurity Murphy comics

[00:24:04] Um

[00:24:06] Josh Gad

[00:24:08] Uh huh

[00:24:09] Wrote

[00:24:10] He's a comedy legend

[00:24:11] They hired Josh Gad

[00:24:12] Comedy legend

[00:24:13] To write Triplets

[00:24:14] They were like

[00:24:15] How do we beat twins

[00:24:16] A legendary comedy movie

[00:24:17] Get a comedy legend

[00:24:18] In here Josh Gad

[00:24:19] Well they went

[00:24:20] We should get a comedian

[00:24:21] To do this

[00:24:22] And they went to Billy Crystal

[00:24:23] First and he passed

[00:24:24] They went who's the other one

[00:24:25] Josh Gad

[00:24:26] Sorry I'm carrying on

[00:24:28] Billy Crystal passed on writing Triplets

[00:24:29] Oh so they just went to the other

[00:24:30] Comedian

[00:24:31] That's the joke I was making

[00:24:32] They showed the comedians

[00:24:33] That's the joke I was making

[00:24:34] I thought you were being serious

[00:24:35] I was like

[00:24:36] I could see them running on Triplets

[00:24:37] By Billy Crystal

[00:24:38] That's Chris Bacting

[00:24:39] Sold my job

[00:24:40] Yeah very Chris

[00:24:41] Yeah

[00:24:42] From now on we can only

[00:24:43] Describe good acting as Chris

[00:24:45] Chris

[00:24:46] That's Chris

[00:24:47] Uh what the Hamilton's

[00:24:48] Really fucking crispy in this movie

[00:24:49] Very crispy

[00:24:50] What I was gonna say

[00:24:51] Is in this period of time

[00:24:52] Between Terminator 1 and Terminator 2

[00:24:53] And twins is a great example

[00:24:54] Of this

[00:24:55] He becomes like

[00:24:56] Whereas some people you see them

[00:24:57] Develop their skills as an actor

[00:24:58] Like someone like Trang Tatum

[00:24:59] Who had charisma

[00:25:00] Sure

[00:25:01] And a look before he really

[00:25:02] Developed serious chops

[00:25:03] Yeah

[00:25:04] You see him getting better

[00:25:05] And better more sort of

[00:25:06] Lived in and specific

[00:25:07] As an actor right

[00:25:09] Schwarzenegger

[00:25:10] In this period of time

[00:25:11] Between when he becomes

[00:25:12] A movie star

[00:25:13] Sort of like a leading man

[00:25:14] And it becomes

[00:25:15] Like a monolith kind of thing

[00:25:17] He just becomes

[00:25:19] Like starts obsessively

[00:25:20] Studying how he plays on camera

[00:25:22] Yeah

[00:25:23] Just becomes so hyper aware

[00:25:24] Of everything he's putting out there

[00:25:26] Everything innate to his vibe

[00:25:28] His appearance

[00:25:29] His voice

[00:25:30] How people perceive him

[00:25:31] And he just becomes like

[00:25:33] This is like a piece of machinery

[00:25:34] That I know how to operate perfectly

[00:25:36] I'm Schwarzenegger

[00:25:37] Literally

[00:25:38] This is my vehicle

[00:25:39] You know

[00:25:40] Yeah

[00:25:41] Can I finish this career

[00:25:42] 1990

[00:25:43] My favorite Arnold Schwarzenegger movie

[00:25:45] Aside from this one

[00:25:46] Total recall

[00:25:47] Total recall

[00:25:48] With Paul Verhoeven

[00:25:49] That movie is fucking out of its mind

[00:25:50] It's great

[00:25:51] Love that movie

[00:25:52] Also kindergarten cop

[00:25:53] Just great

[00:25:54] With Reitman

[00:25:55] No it's not

[00:25:56] It's bad

[00:25:57] I love kindergarten cop

[00:25:58] Oh

[00:25:59] Piece of shit

[00:26:01] I love it

[00:26:02] But that's interesting

[00:26:03] That he's now done too

[00:26:04] Kindergarten cop also makes like

[00:26:05] $200 million dollars to box

[00:26:06] That movie opens with Arnold Schwarzenegger

[00:26:08] Killing a bunch of

[00:26:09] Drug dealers with a shotgun

[00:26:11] Correct

[00:26:12] It is 1990

[00:26:13] It's about him befriending

[00:26:14] A group of kindergarteners

[00:26:15] It is

[00:26:16] It's not a tumor

[00:26:17] It is not a tumor

[00:26:18] They did prove that

[00:26:20] That is

[00:26:21] The second time

[00:26:22] He does one of these weird

[00:26:23] Like Spielberg type years

[00:26:24] Where he shows two sides in one year

[00:26:26] Yeah

[00:26:27] So you're saying kindergarten cop

[00:26:28] Is the Schindler's List

[00:26:30] Yes

[00:26:31] I'm saying you do the thing where you do

[00:26:32] Like Spielberg would always do

[00:26:33] The two for one

[00:26:34] Where you do like high brow low brow

[00:26:35] In one year

[00:26:36] Schindler's List

[00:26:37] Oh my god

[00:26:38] I'm freaking out

[00:26:39] Kindergarten cop is the Amistad

[00:26:40] And

[00:26:41] Yes

[00:26:42] And

[00:26:43] Total recall is the Lost World

[00:26:44] Yes

[00:26:45] It's the joke I'm making

[00:26:46] You don't like that I'm explaining your jokes

[00:26:48] What's kind of the antithesis

[00:26:49] Of comedy points

[00:26:50] The whole point is

[00:26:51] You're not looking for comedy points

[00:26:52] I'm a rebel

[00:26:53] I'm a renegade

[00:26:54] And you move on

[00:26:55] I'm regarded by everyone

[00:26:56] I think in the world of podcasting

[00:26:58] In the community of podcasting

[00:26:59] Is a notorious renegade

[00:27:00] That is true

[00:27:01] And I cannot contest that

[00:27:02] You are known as the Bad Boy

[00:27:03] A podcast

[00:27:04] It's very true

[00:27:05] I'm the Bad Boy podcasting

[00:27:06] So

[00:27:07] I just think it's interesting

[00:27:08] That twice he's like

[00:27:09] I'm gonna give you a classic

[00:27:10] Quarzenegger

[00:27:11] And give you a Laffer

[00:27:12] I'm gonna like play

[00:27:13] Give me some cheese

[00:27:14] But some sausage

[00:27:15] I'm gonna play the hits

[00:27:16] And make fun of myself

[00:27:17] Sure

[00:27:18] So you know like

[00:27:19] He's so self-aware

[00:27:20] I think what Sam's putting out right here

[00:27:23] Is sort of what I'm about

[00:27:24] I think we agree

[00:27:25] Even though we disagree

[00:27:26] You're looking at each other

[00:27:27] You're both

[00:27:28] I think we're like

[00:27:29] Twins is great fun

[00:27:30] kindergarten cop

[00:27:31] Like the incoguity

[00:27:33] Of like you know

[00:27:34] He's a cop who shoots drug dealers

[00:27:36] And like a whimsical

[00:27:37] Interactive

[00:27:38] It doesn't land for me

[00:27:40] That movie is kind of odd

[00:27:41] Well for me

[00:27:42] I think that these movies

[00:27:43] And probably especially

[00:27:44] Kindergarten cop

[00:27:45] Also gave him this appeal

[00:27:47] To families

[00:27:48] He's very conscious of it

[00:27:51] Families and that

[00:27:52] Changed his career

[00:27:53] 100%

[00:27:54] We are little boys

[00:27:55] Now you guys are probably

[00:27:56] Very little

[00:27:57] Well I'm actually in between

[00:27:58] Your two ages

[00:27:59] I see

[00:28:00] So

[00:28:01] And also

[00:28:02] Because this movie Terminator 2

[00:28:03] Was really

[00:28:04] The reason I love it

[00:28:05] Is because I watch it as a kid

[00:28:07] So many times

[00:28:08] It was huge with my family

[00:28:09] It's weirdly like

[00:28:10] The most kid-friendly

[00:28:11] R rated film ever made

[00:28:12] Is it R rated?

[00:28:13] Yeah

[00:28:14] Which is very interesting

[00:28:15] But it like always

[00:28:16] Was like

[00:28:17] From the moment it came out

[00:28:18] It had like fucking bubble gum

[00:28:19] And like action figures

[00:28:20] And video games

[00:28:21] But it was R rated

[00:28:22] A gambit that worked

[00:28:23] I think

[00:28:24] Which is like

[00:28:25] We're just gonna promote

[00:28:26] And sort of release this film

[00:28:27] As if it's like a big

[00:28:28] Buckle

[00:28:29] This is a movie for kids

[00:28:30] With cool parents

[00:28:31] Well I was also

[00:28:32] It held all those

[00:28:33] R rating

[00:28:34] Records for like

[00:28:35] A decade

[00:28:36] Before a scary movie came along

[00:28:37] And knocked them all down

[00:28:38] And then now it's

[00:28:39] Passion the Christ

[00:28:40] Passion the Christ

[00:28:41] Is a lot of them

[00:28:42] Deadpool

[00:28:43] Got a lot of them

[00:28:44] Yeah

[00:28:45] I watched this movie

[00:28:46] Reminding me of this

[00:28:47] I used to watch this a lot

[00:28:48] With my family

[00:28:49] And there were two scenes

[00:28:51] That my mother

[00:28:52] Always covered my eyes

[00:28:53] During

[00:28:54] Cause I was the youngest

[00:28:55] Member of my family

[00:28:56] So I was the one who

[00:28:57] Snuck underneath

[00:28:58] And the two of them

[00:28:59] That I didn't see

[00:29:00] Until I was a teenager

[00:29:01] Were Sarah Connor

[00:29:02] Burning to death

[00:29:03] In her dream

[00:29:04] Which is fucked up

[00:29:05] Which is a serious

[00:29:06] Not something you

[00:29:07] Wanted to see

[00:29:08] And Arnold Schwarzenegger

[00:29:09] Ripping the skin

[00:29:10] Off his arm

[00:29:11] Oh awesome

[00:29:12] I fucking love that

[00:29:13] It's great

[00:29:14] Instead of

[00:29:15] The ripping the skin off

[00:29:16] Although that's also

[00:29:17] Very nightmarish

[00:29:18] Is the blade

[00:29:19] Through the mouth

[00:29:20] Oh yeah

[00:29:21] No

[00:29:22] Which is pretty brutal

[00:29:23] And the pokey eye

[00:29:25] Pokey eyes intense

[00:29:26] Those are intense

[00:29:27] But the pokey eye

[00:29:28] Is kind of quick

[00:29:29] It is

[00:29:30] But then I do

[00:29:31] Thing through the mouth

[00:29:32] It's gross

[00:29:33] Here's the thing

[00:29:34] About the pokey eye though

[00:29:35] It's quick in terms

[00:29:36] Of what you see

[00:29:37] That's graphic

[00:29:38] But they also cut

[00:29:39] To this angle

[00:29:40] Where you see

[00:29:41] Him kind of fishing around

[00:29:42] And the sound

[00:29:43] Is a lot of viscera

[00:29:44] But like you're seeing

[00:29:45] The thing

[00:29:46] You're seeing a guy's brain

[00:29:47] Get like mangled

[00:29:48] How good are those twins though?

[00:29:50] Oh love them

[00:29:51] Great job twins

[00:29:52] Those guys

[00:29:53] So they were like

[00:29:54] The go to guys

[00:29:55] If you needed like two or something

[00:29:56] Right

[00:29:57] And Joe Dante

[00:29:58] Used them all the time

[00:29:59] And they're in

[00:30:00] Looney Tunes Back in Action

[00:30:01] Which I think is

[00:30:02] An underrated masterpiece

[00:30:03] Playing the Warner Brothers

[00:30:04] And they're fucking

[00:30:05] Great in it

[00:30:06] Hey now speaking

[00:30:07] Of twins

[00:30:08] Is it true that

[00:30:09] Linda Hamilton

[00:30:10] Has an identical twin

[00:30:11] She does

[00:30:12] A little bit of work

[00:30:13] In this movie

[00:30:14] Well get to that scene

[00:30:15] Because it's

[00:30:16] She's the mirror

[00:30:17] She's the mirror

[00:30:18] Alright but anyway

[00:30:19] Just to finish

[00:30:20] My little treatise on Arnie

[00:30:21] What's interesting is

[00:30:22] This movie hits

[00:30:23] And it's the biggest

[00:30:24] Fucking thing that ever

[00:30:25] Happened

[00:30:26] And it just confirms

[00:30:27] His status is like king

[00:30:28] And then he never

[00:30:29] Makes a hit movie

[00:30:30] Ever again

[00:30:31] Basically

[00:30:32] He makes movies that do

[00:30:33] Fine

[00:30:34] No film lands

[00:30:35] Not the same

[00:30:36] I'm sorry

[00:30:37] I'm forgetting true lies

[00:30:38] True lies is a huge hit

[00:30:39] So I'm wrong

[00:30:40] I'm wrong

[00:30:41] This is a total number one

[00:30:42] I totally forgot about true lies

[00:30:43] But I'm just thinking of like

[00:30:44] It goes like

[00:30:45] Last action hero

[00:30:46] Junior

[00:30:47] Eraser

[00:30:48] Jingle all the way

[00:30:49] Batman and Robin

[00:30:50] These movies that are

[00:30:51] Bad

[00:30:52] They do okay

[00:30:54] Maybe

[00:30:55] I mean last action hero

[00:30:56] Is like a real bomb

[00:30:57] But you know

[00:30:58] He doesn't have an

[00:30:59] Unqualified smash again

[00:31:00] Like it does well

[00:31:01] Apart from true lies

[00:31:02] Apart from true lies

[00:31:03] Batman and Robin

[00:31:04] Made money but was despised

[00:31:05] They made like

[00:31:06] A hundred mil which was

[00:31:07] Like pretty bad

[00:31:08] And I'll say this

[00:31:09] About true lies too

[00:31:10] Like

[00:31:11] Realized too

[00:31:12] Oh my god

[00:31:13] Advisory

[00:31:14] I don't want to start rumors

[00:31:15] I'll say this about true lies as well

[00:31:17] Very successful

[00:31:18] Well liked

[00:31:19] Didn't have the same level

[00:31:21] Cultural impact

[00:31:22] As Terminator 2

[00:31:23] Especially coming off of like

[00:31:24] This is the next Cameron

[00:31:25] Schwarzenegger thing

[00:31:26] That is true

[00:31:27] By the very high bar

[00:31:28] Of Terminator 2

[00:31:29] It maybe doesn't clear it

[00:31:31] But apart from that

[00:31:32] It's a huge, huge hit

[00:31:33] It was a very profitable movie

[00:31:34] But was far and away

[00:31:35] The most expensive movie

[00:31:36] Ever made at that time

[00:31:37] So it was less profitable

[00:31:38] Than Terminator 2

[00:31:39] Was because it like

[00:31:40] Made less and cost more

[00:31:41] But that's

[00:31:42] But we're not

[00:31:43] I'm talking about

[00:31:44] Public, you know

[00:31:45] That's a very minor

[00:31:47] Asterix on the film

[00:31:48] But it is just interesting

[00:31:49] Like even though

[00:31:50] I feel like we grew up in the 90s

[00:31:52] Like Arnie was such a

[00:31:53] Huge

[00:31:54] Like ever present figure

[00:31:55] In the 90s

[00:31:56] But he doesn't actually

[00:31:57] Make a lot of big movies

[00:31:58] After T2 that work

[00:31:59] He makes a lot of big

[00:32:00] You know

[00:32:01] Because like a racer

[00:32:02] Was a big disappointment

[00:32:03] Batman and Robin

[00:32:04] Big money

[00:32:05] Like a racer

[00:32:06] Eraser feels like

[00:32:07] One of his 80s movies

[00:32:08] Remember when a racer

[00:32:09] Was coming out

[00:32:10] People being like

[00:32:11] This is him getting back

[00:32:12] In the zone

[00:32:13] Like a racer had a lot of

[00:32:14] Hype because it was like

[00:32:15] This is him doing a more

[00:32:16] Serious minded

[00:32:17] Like adult action movie

[00:32:18] And then it like did alright

[00:32:19] That also like collateral

[00:32:20] Damage which was like

[00:32:21] A little later

[00:32:22] Well that's what we get

[00:32:23] In the 2000s

[00:32:24] You have like the

[00:32:25] Six day collateral damage

[00:32:26] Fuck I mean

[00:32:27] What's the hell

[00:32:28] One end of days

[00:32:29] Yeah if you want me

[00:32:30] To go keep going

[00:32:31] Jingle the way

[00:32:32] Batman and Robin

[00:32:33] End of Days

[00:32:34] Which is the hell

[00:32:35] One Gabriel Byrne

[00:32:36] Got the six day with clones

[00:32:37] Yeah Bobby D

[00:32:38] I think Bobby D is cloning him

[00:32:39] I almost gave him

[00:32:40] Doctor Doodle 2

[00:32:41] But that's an uncredited voice role

[00:32:43] Sorry collateral damage

[00:32:44] Then Terminator 3

[00:32:45] Where he's trying

[00:32:46] Like oh come on

[00:32:47] Let's go back to that

[00:32:48] And then he

[00:32:49] Runs for governor

[00:32:50] And that's it

[00:32:51] I'm sorry you're forgetting

[00:32:52] Around the world in 80s

[00:32:53] Yeah I am not forgetting it

[00:32:54] But I don't want to speak about it

[00:32:56] Where he plays a very

[00:32:57] Horny King

[00:32:58] He does

[00:32:59] That is fascinating

[00:33:00] I didn't realize yeah

[00:33:01] Yeah and then

[00:33:02] He basically doesn't come

[00:33:03] Back until the last stand

[00:33:05] Right

[00:33:06] He makes like

[00:33:07] The Expendables movies for like

[00:33:08] A second but you know

[00:33:09] That's just

[00:33:10] That's him

[00:33:11] Like being

[00:33:12] Like I'm not the governor anymore

[00:33:13] Let me make some movies

[00:33:14] Yeah and

[00:33:15] Now he's making all kinds of

[00:33:16] Weird movies

[00:33:17] But that's what's weird

[00:33:18] Is when he comes back

[00:33:19] You go like

[00:33:20] Okay there's an opportunity

[00:33:21] Here for him to have

[00:33:22] Like a huge comeback

[00:33:23] And do some with a lot of force

[00:33:24] And he just does

[00:33:25] Like a 20 million

[00:33:26] Dollar Lionsgate movie

[00:33:27] You know

[00:33:28] Like he just comes back

[00:33:29] And does some programmers

[00:33:30] What's the movie where

[00:33:31] He plays a DEA agent

[00:33:32] With Joe

[00:33:33] Mangley

[00:33:34] Sabotage

[00:33:35] And the director of Suicide

[00:33:36] And then he did a zombie movie

[00:33:37] Called Maggie

[00:33:38] Which is like

[00:33:39] Okay

[00:33:40] It's not that good

[00:33:41] But he's pretty good in it

[00:33:42] He determinated Genesis

[00:33:43] Which was a nightmare

[00:33:44] A scape plan was Stallone

[00:33:45] This scape plan was Stallone

[00:33:46] Which like barely got released

[00:33:47] Right

[00:33:48] You know

[00:33:49] He's making something now

[00:33:50] Called Why We're Killing

[00:33:52] Gunther

[00:33:53] Which is Terran Killers movie

[00:33:54] And directed by Terran Killers

[00:33:55] Which is like

[00:33:56] He lets us in out

[00:33:57] Yeah

[00:33:58] No seriously

[00:33:59] It might be good

[00:34:00] Who knows

[00:34:01] But it's not gonna be a hit

[00:34:02] I don't know

[00:34:03] It might be good

[00:34:04] To some nünüz

[00:34:06] pró jeito

[00:34:08] It feels weird

[00:34:10] Yeah

[00:34:11] But it's

[00:34:11] Oh

[00:34:13] It's a real chill

[00:34:13] Yeah

[00:34:14] TalHO

[00:34:25] T primera

[00:34:28] For璃

[00:34:29] TalHO

[00:34:32] A

[00:34:33] you know and then it's like down.

[00:34:35] Yeah, it's really fascinating.

[00:34:37] That is fascinating.

[00:34:38] So, but Jimmy C.

[00:34:40] Yes.

[00:34:41] You know, the abyss cost a lot of money

[00:34:43] and didn't make much money

[00:34:44] and was a nightmare to make.

[00:34:46] And I feel like, you know,

[00:34:47] these are all bad things to happen to a director.

[00:34:49] You don't wanna get this reputation as like,

[00:34:52] oh God, it's just a real, it's torturous.

[00:34:54] And it was like a borderline Heavens gate type of thing

[00:34:57] where there was a lot of press

[00:34:58] about how poorly it was going.

[00:34:59] It got the Oscar for visual effects.

[00:35:01] And everyone was like, well that part definitely worked.

[00:35:03] Hey, sure, CGI tentacle.

[00:35:05] Everyone was like, that worked.

[00:35:06] The rest of the movie, yeah.

[00:35:07] And then years later kind of was sort of,

[00:35:09] you know, reevaluated.

[00:35:11] I mean, it has its, you know, supporters certainly.

[00:35:13] It does, it does.

[00:35:14] And he's obviously tinkered with it.

[00:35:15] The director's caught like definitely helped

[00:35:17] with his reputation in the movie.

[00:35:18] The movie basically came out without an ending

[00:35:20] and he then tried to fix that.

[00:35:21] But anyway, we'll get, or we will have gotten to that.

[00:35:24] Sorry.

[00:35:25] The Terminator 2 though.

[00:35:27] So the Terminator came out.

[00:35:29] And then the company that owned it went bankrupt.

[00:35:33] So the rights to a sequel were like always hard

[00:35:36] to figure out anyway.

[00:35:37] I think that was...

[00:35:38] Which is this fascinating thing about the Terminator franchise

[00:35:39] is it's like the village bicycle.

[00:35:41] Like it's this thing.

[00:35:42] The rights are like a mummy's curse.

[00:35:45] It really is, it's crazy.

[00:35:47] Remember that moment where Joss Whedon

[00:35:48] went like the rights were up for grabs?

[00:35:50] And he wanted to buy it.

[00:35:51] He was like, I'll buy it, I'll do something cool.

[00:35:53] I don't know, just let me have it.

[00:35:54] Like it could've been.

[00:35:55] And that was two years before The Avengers.

[00:35:58] Everyone was like, yeah but no one would let Joss Whedon

[00:36:00] take over a big franchise.

[00:36:02] I remember that being the sentiment.

[00:36:03] Like it's like he's a TV guy.

[00:36:04] They're not gonna let him do big Hollywood franchise.

[00:36:06] It's true.

[00:36:07] And he said they may terminate our genesis.

[00:36:09] Yeah.

[00:36:10] Eventually, somebody bought the rights and...

[00:36:12] It was from that auction.

[00:36:13] I think that...

[00:36:14] David Ellison wrote it, right?

[00:36:16] Bottom.

[00:36:17] It's Meg Ellison.

[00:36:18] Yeah, the Annapurna.

[00:36:19] Right, bought the rights and it was like,

[00:36:20] oh that's weird, she's like a highbrow

[00:36:22] like art house woman.

[00:36:23] It was like, oh she's gonna get this big franchise

[00:36:25] to sort of bankroll her passion project.

[00:36:27] And then she sold it off to her brother, David Ellison,

[00:36:30] who like has a lot less creative control

[00:36:32] and just sort of is like a fund for like Paramount,

[00:36:35] Tom Cruise movies and stuff.

[00:36:36] Well all three movies that follow this one

[00:36:40] are completely differently toned disasters.

[00:36:43] This is true.

[00:36:44] Like each of them try to take a new direction.

[00:36:46] Each choice is terrible and all those things are bad.

[00:36:47] Yeah, like T3's trying...

[00:36:49] I like T3.

[00:36:50] I've defended T3's silly.

[00:36:50] T3's silly.

[00:36:51] T3's so interesting.

[00:36:52] I'm at this point now.

[00:36:54] You are a silly boy.

[00:36:54] I almost wanna talk about it but...

[00:36:56] Well I like Genesis more than most people do.

[00:37:00] Okay, so we've gotten into this a lot.

[00:37:02] I can't say in Genesis.

[00:37:03] Well you and I watch Genesis together.

[00:37:04] I like Genesis more than he does.

[00:37:05] Yeah, we watch it together.

[00:37:06] Yeah.

[00:37:07] But an important thing about our watching Genesis

[00:37:10] was right before that.

[00:37:11] Oh my God David, you don't know this.

[00:37:14] We tried to watch Mordecai?

[00:37:15] We tried to watch Mordecai.

[00:37:16] No!

[00:37:17] Don't get angry at me for trying to watch Mordecai.

[00:37:19] It'll be fun to sit here and make fun of Mordecai.

[00:37:21] Mordecai is actually unwatchable.

[00:37:22] Yeah.

[00:37:23] Like how far did you get in?

[00:37:25] We had to skip around and even that was murderous.

[00:37:27] 10 minutes in we were like,

[00:37:28] how much time is left in this movie?

[00:37:30] And we thought we were 45 minutes in.

[00:37:31] It's terrible.

[00:37:32] No joke, 10 minutes in we thought

[00:37:33] we were halfway through the movie.

[00:37:34] We gotta watch Mordecai.

[00:37:35] It's sold.

[00:37:36] It's settled.

[00:37:37] We have to do it, sounds great.

[00:37:37] If you get through it, you guys deserve an award.

[00:37:40] So it's terrible.

[00:37:41] It's like a real...

[00:37:42] It's like a real...

[00:37:43] It's a test.

[00:37:44] It definitely is a test.

[00:37:44] We are watching it on Hulu and so when we were fast forwarding

[00:37:47] you could sort of see the preview box image

[00:37:48] of what we're fast forwarding past.

[00:37:50] And we'd run across an image where I was like,

[00:37:52] wait, that looks crazy.

[00:37:53] We have to stop and we'd stop

[00:37:54] and it'd be like, this part's gonna be fun to watch

[00:37:56] and then it would be unwatchable.

[00:37:57] Like immediately our brains would start leaking

[00:38:00] out of our ears.

[00:38:01] And then we watched Genesis and I was like,

[00:38:02] this is great.

[00:38:03] Sure, so you're saying maybe you were colored by...

[00:38:05] It was maybe tainted but I think it's better than

[00:38:08] Mordecai?

[00:38:09] Yeah, I think it's better than Mordecai.

[00:38:10] I think it's better than people give it credit for it.

[00:38:11] I think Genesis is worse than I remember it

[00:38:14] and I didn't like it, but it did have Arnie in it.

[00:38:16] And I do like Arnie.

[00:38:17] He's in this film as well.

[00:38:18] The film we're talking about today.

[00:38:19] Terminator 2.

[00:38:21] Okay, can I just say one thing about Mordecai

[00:38:22] and then I'm gonna get into Terminator 2.

[00:38:23] Colon Judgment Day.

[00:38:25] One thing about Mordecai.

[00:38:26] What?

[00:38:27] You know how everyone was making fun of

[00:38:29] like the mustache thing in Mordecai?

[00:38:31] Cause they were like, this is so silly

[00:38:32] the fucking mustache, the posters.

[00:38:34] As two people who have watched that movie

[00:38:37] in sort of like a fly by way,

[00:38:38] that movie is actually 90% mustache.

[00:38:40] I'd say 70% of the dialogue involves

[00:38:43] this mustache in some way.

[00:38:44] It's not even that the mustache

[00:38:45] is like the MacGuffin of the movie,

[00:38:47] it's actually the plot driver.

[00:38:48] Yeah, it kind of is what that movie is about.

[00:38:49] Yeah, every scene is focused on as a mustache.

[00:38:52] I've talked about how the way I saw Terminator 2

[00:38:54] for the first time.

[00:38:55] No!

[00:38:57] David showed me a picture of Mordecai.

[00:39:00] This guy's such a rogue.

[00:39:02] Oh boy.

[00:39:03] It always gets you.

[00:39:04] It always gets you.

[00:39:05] It always gets you.

[00:39:06] He's on the hood of a car

[00:39:07] but he's such a cat, David.

[00:39:09] It looks alarmed.

[00:39:11] It looks alarmed.

[00:39:12] We tried to watch that scene

[00:39:13] and even that scene I couldn't figure out

[00:39:14] what the fuck is going on.

[00:39:15] That movie's only funny and stills.

[00:39:18] They should have released it as a flip book.

[00:39:21] Mordecai should have been the first movie

[00:39:22] that went straight to Viewmaster Real.

[00:39:24] Should have been a coffee table book.

[00:39:26] Enough about Mordecai.

[00:39:27] This is what I want to say about Terminator 2.

[00:39:30] And now we're gonna talk about-

[00:39:31] I'd love to talk about Terminator 2 Judgment Day.

[00:39:32] I don't know why you keep on derailing me.

[00:39:34] I would love to talk about Terminator 2 Judgment Day, okay?

[00:39:36] Yeah.

[00:39:37] I've talked about how the way I saw the movie

[00:39:38] for the first time was my dad got sent

[00:39:40] this DVD of Terminator 2.

[00:39:41] Yeah, and you talked about it.

[00:39:43] You wanted to watch number one first

[00:39:45] and then you watched it.

[00:39:46] And so before I had convinced my mom

[00:39:48] to let me watch it,

[00:39:49] I'd have this DVD and I covered it with two discs.

[00:39:51] Ooh, look at this.

[00:39:52] And there was a really thick booklet.

[00:39:54] Sure.

[00:39:55] You know, it had like a real kind of thick liner notes booklet

[00:39:57] that explained the whole production history

[00:39:59] and development of the film.

[00:40:01] That was written by PR people.

[00:40:03] So it was like they were making it seem

[00:40:04] like it was the fucking 10 commandments.

[00:40:06] You did write it.

[00:40:07] But you were working PR for

[00:40:08] Artisan Home Entertainment at the time.

[00:40:10] Correct.

[00:40:11] I was the one who told them to buy Blair Wishpocket.

[00:40:13] Which was a good call.

[00:40:13] It didn't give me any credit for that.

[00:40:14] They don't give you any credit for that.

[00:40:15] That was actually a really good call.

[00:40:18] They talked a lot in this booklet

[00:40:20] about how the thing was like the movie comes out.

[00:40:22] It's a big hit.

[00:40:23] And then in the seven years between Terminator 1

[00:40:25] and Terminator 2, it just grew and grew and grew.

[00:40:27] As Arnold got bigger with successive hits,

[00:40:30] people went back and watched that.

[00:40:31] Sure, right.

[00:40:32] And these are the days of huge VHS.

[00:40:34] Huge VHS.

[00:40:35] Yeah, those were the 80s.

[00:40:36] People wanted to watch movies again.

[00:40:38] So it become colossal.

[00:40:39] It become this big cultural.

[00:40:41] Not colossus, the metal man from X-Men.

[00:40:42] It did not.

[00:40:43] And that's, people get confused on that point a lot.

[00:40:45] They do because they're both metal men.

[00:40:46] Yes, but we let some of this go on some trouble.

[00:40:48] And not colossal the N-Hathaway Godzilla movie

[00:40:50] that apparently everyone either loves or hates.

[00:40:51] Yes, that is true.

[00:40:52] Everyone either loves or hates it.

[00:40:54] All right, carry on.

[00:40:55] I'm sorry, I keep derailing you.

[00:40:56] They said like, it became this thing where it was like,

[00:40:58] everyone was like, he's got to make a Terminator 2.

[00:41:00] You've got to make a Terminator 2.

[00:41:02] The point ends at Sarah Connor,

[00:41:03] you want to see what happens next, this and that.

[00:41:06] And so it got to this point,

[00:41:07] I think especially after the abyss

[00:41:08] when he had a failure where it was like,

[00:41:09] there's a demand.

[00:41:10] I should figure out how to make this.

[00:41:12] But they say in this booklet that the question was,

[00:41:15] how do you do Terminator 2 now?

[00:41:17] The first Terminator is so violent,

[00:41:20] like so unsparingly violent.

[00:41:22] It's true.

[00:41:23] And dark and now Arnold has become a family guy.

[00:41:25] Yeah, I mean he still makes your commandos,

[00:41:29] your predators, your violent films.

[00:41:31] But even at that point,

[00:41:32] that was in the rear view for him a couple years.

[00:41:34] That total recall is just a year before Terminator

[00:41:35] in that movie.

[00:41:36] He's fucking insane.

[00:41:38] He shoots Sharon Stowe to the head.

[00:41:40] It's insane.

[00:41:41] And he says consider that a divorce.

[00:41:43] It's insane, but here's the thing.

[00:41:46] Arnold does two things.

[00:41:48] One is,

[00:41:50] he does a lot of family comedies that cut the intensity.

[00:41:53] Some family comedies.

[00:41:54] He's deflating his own sort of balloon.

[00:41:56] A little bit and line people know that.

[00:41:58] I mean underdog.

[00:41:59] And then the second thing that happens is

[00:42:01] he makes a hard move into sci-fi.

[00:42:04] And Terminator is a sci-fi film

[00:42:05] but on an aesthetic level for most of the movie

[00:42:07] you're just looking at two guys

[00:42:09] in close shooting at each other.

[00:42:10] But then you get to total recall

[00:42:12] which is so fantastical.

[00:42:12] Very high sci-fi, Mars and implanted memories

[00:42:16] and all this nonsense.

[00:42:17] It's an R rated movie, it's a hard R

[00:42:18] but when things are happening in that movie

[00:42:20] they're so sort of ridiculous and big

[00:42:21] and outside the realm of human possibilities, right?

[00:42:24] So the idea of just having-

[00:42:26] What a fucking wonderland you're describing, I love it.

[00:42:28] The idea of having Arnold just shoot someone point blank.

[00:42:31] Sure.

[00:42:32] The way he does in Terminator one

[00:42:33] or even would do in like Commando.

[00:42:35] I get what you're saying.

[00:42:36] So that was the question.

[00:42:37] He's like how do you make Terminator two

[00:42:38] knowing that America wants to love

[00:42:41] or are you just gonna end this with

[00:42:42] so they decided to make him a good guy?

[00:42:44] Fucking brilliant.

[00:42:45] It is brilliant.

[00:42:46] It's unbelievable.

[00:42:47] I know, it seems so-

[00:42:49] I remember when I was a kid I was like,

[00:42:50] oh you know, I don't know if you know this

[00:42:52] but like Hollywood's real cheesy

[00:42:53] and like they couldn't let him be bad anymore.

[00:42:55] He had to be good, he had to be like the man.

[00:42:57] Like no, it's a brilliant idea.

[00:42:58] What's incredible about it is-

[00:42:59] Fuck you 11 year old David.

[00:43:01] On its face it sounds like

[00:43:03] the worst studio note in the world.

[00:43:05] It does, it does.

[00:43:06] Could the bad guy be a good guy this time?

[00:43:08] Arnie's real famous, I don't know.

[00:43:10] And he just like, it's like he weaponizes it

[00:43:12] into like the only story he could have told.

[00:43:15] I will also, I'll go even a step further

[00:43:17] because this is something Alayna,

[00:43:19] a wonderful girlfriend pointed out in that-

[00:43:22] Humblebrag.

[00:43:23] They also make this effort in Terminator two

[00:43:27] specifically when John Connors like

[00:43:29] I don't want you to kill people.

[00:43:30] Yup.

[00:43:31] That's such a big part in the fact that-

[00:43:32] It's huge.

[00:43:33] The Terminator-

[00:43:34] And then he just shoots people in the knees.

[00:43:36] Yeah, he just-

[00:43:37] Which probably destroys people's knees.

[00:43:38] Which seems very painful.

[00:43:39] And does like mess people up.

[00:43:41] But he's actually not trying to kill people.

[00:43:44] He isn't.

[00:43:45] Linda Hamilton kills a lot of people in this movie.

[00:43:47] Which is what I love about this.

[00:43:48] She becomes the quasi-villain or the anti-hero.

[00:43:52] And she's not a villain, no.

[00:43:53] She's kind of the lead of this movie.

[00:43:55] Yeah, yes.

[00:43:56] I mean whatever.

[00:43:57] She and Arnie are co-leads.

[00:43:58] But the movie kind of passes up because

[00:44:00] she's not majorly involved after the Dyson attack.

[00:44:03] Sure.

[00:44:04] In the movie.

[00:44:05] After that point it's more his movie.

[00:44:06] Yes, sure.

[00:44:07] I think it's a very good point.

[00:44:08] I think the other thing they even do beyond that is

[00:44:11] you have the thing the first time he's shooting at guys

[00:44:14] where John Connor's like, what the fuck?

[00:44:15] You can't do that.

[00:44:16] And he's like, I do what you tell me to do.

[00:44:18] And it's like, okay, so not only are you having

[00:44:21] another character be like the little guardian angel

[00:44:23] over his shoulder being like, don't do that.

[00:44:25] You're also establishing which the first movie doesn't

[00:44:28] because it's just like he's this unstoppable force.

[00:44:30] This movie kind of sets it up that he's a child.

[00:44:33] Yeah, sure.

[00:44:33] That he doesn't know his own power.

[00:44:35] Right, and so when he does something

[00:44:37] that's kind of cool and like badass

[00:44:39] in an action movie way, it's like, ah, it didn't mean it.

[00:44:42] Yeah.

[00:44:43] You know when they can immediately

[00:44:44] kind of scrub it out.

[00:44:45] That scene where he is about to execute that guy

[00:44:49] and it's like he's completely bored.

[00:44:51] He's just cocking his gun in literally.

[00:44:53] It's great.

[00:44:54] I love that.

[00:44:54] You're talking about the scene

[00:44:55] where John Connor tells him that.

[00:44:57] I also think that scene, those are the characters

[00:45:00] I feel the most pity for in this movie.

[00:45:02] No question.

[00:45:03] Are those characters that go over to help a boy

[00:45:06] who they see being attacked by a giant Austrian man

[00:45:09] and a leather jacket?

[00:45:10] And then the boy is like, well fuck you guys.

[00:45:12] And they're like kind of rude I guess.

[00:45:14] The boy's also got a bit of a toot.

[00:45:16] Yeah, oh, John Connor's got a rude toot.

[00:45:18] That's actually, if we wanna like really get into this,

[00:45:21] something I'm curious about from you two,

[00:45:23] do we think Edward Furlong is good in this movie?

[00:45:25] This is, I mean, we could talk about this

[00:45:27] for second episodes.

[00:45:28] I already got in a huge fight with Esther about it.

[00:45:30] Esther's like when we were in previous episodes

[00:45:31] on the show where she said,

[00:45:32] Edward Furlong is bad in the movie

[00:45:33] and I said, no, you are wrong, he is good.

[00:45:35] So I'm glad we've settled that, great.

[00:45:38] Thanks, I'm gonna leave.

[00:45:39] I think he's great to be here.

[00:45:41] Are you gonna do anything?

[00:45:44] I think objectively it's not a great piece of acting.

[00:45:47] That had been said, I think it's-

[00:45:49] Piece of acting, what is this fucking?

[00:45:51] I don't think it's as crisp as it could be.

[00:45:52] The Pulitzer board over here.

[00:45:55] I do think it's the perfect performance for the movie.

[00:45:56] Exactly.

[00:45:57] I think it's what the movie needs.

[00:45:58] I think it's what the movie needs.

[00:45:59] Yeah, I think the character fits the movie.

[00:46:00] I think he's a little,

[00:46:02] the screaming, this viewing.

[00:46:04] Love it.

[00:46:05] Got to me a little bit.

[00:46:06] Now you guys know he redubbed the entire performance, right?

[00:46:09] Yes.

[00:46:10] You can tell that in some parts.

[00:46:11] You can see it.

[00:46:12] It's the magic, it's the voice broke.

[00:46:13] His voice broke and they had to keep it at one level

[00:46:15] because the production was so long

[00:46:16] and he was like right in the midst of puberty.

[00:46:18] If you see his like, there are scenes

[00:46:21] like the dirt bike chase, he looks really young.

[00:46:23] And then you get to other stuff

[00:46:24] like at different points in the movie

[00:46:26] where he looks like, okay, puberty started

[00:46:28] to kick in, his face shape is like changing a little bit

[00:46:31] and his voice was so all over the place

[00:46:33] that they had to redub it and be like,

[00:46:34] let's just pick one pitch.

[00:46:36] And that's what it is now.

[00:46:38] I will definitely say it's the best

[00:46:40] John Connor performance in film.

[00:46:43] No question.

[00:46:44] Yeah, you know like Nick Stahl?

[00:46:46] I like him.

[00:46:47] I think he's okay.

[00:46:47] I think this is a better performance.

[00:46:48] Nick Stahl is kind of all over the place.

[00:46:50] Yeah, I think he's actually quite good at moving.

[00:46:52] Nick Stahl feels like he's doing,

[00:46:54] he's trying to sort of do Edward for a long,

[00:46:57] you know, like he's trying to hug.

[00:46:58] The third movie feels like it's hugging

[00:47:00] the second movie more and then of course-

[00:47:01] You know, and then the other two obviously don't care at all.

[00:47:04] Well, here's the other thing.

[00:47:05] Jason Clark is kind of okay in Terminator Genesis

[00:47:08] but it's just the character makes no sense

[00:47:10] and then he turns into like a nanobots or whatever.

[00:47:12] So it's all bullshit.

[00:47:13] I think Jason Clark's a wonderful actor

[00:47:14] and I don't think he's ever given a bad performance.

[00:47:17] I think that character is so thankless.

[00:47:19] You can't do anything with it.

[00:47:20] And in terms of, he's such a device in that movie.

[00:47:23] Literally.

[00:47:24] But I also think that-

[00:47:25] Boy.

[00:47:26] I mean this is the problem with all the other attempts

[00:47:28] to make Terminator sequels

[00:47:29] is like the fact that Cameron flipped it

[00:47:31] and made him the good guy

[00:47:32] and now it's two Terminators.

[00:47:33] And like, now it's this and it's the judgment day.

[00:47:36] Sets it up so like these two movies are adeptic.

[00:47:39] Like they're mirrors of each other.

[00:47:41] Which is great.

[00:47:42] And especially those early scenes

[00:47:43] where he's like sort of mimicking his behavior

[00:47:46] from the first movie

[00:47:47] and you can get why she's so terrified of him.

[00:47:49] But you can only mirror something one time.

[00:47:51] Like it's not like here's the next chapter.

[00:47:53] The movie is so much about its relationship

[00:47:56] to the first one.

[00:47:57] In terms of flipping expectations and everything.

[00:47:59] At least in the first hour.

[00:48:01] Yeah.

[00:48:02] That like you can't really do a third.

[00:48:03] And then the other thing is,

[00:48:05] and this is certainly the Terminator salvation problem,

[00:48:08] is like the future war is so cool

[00:48:11] because we barely see it.

[00:48:12] You know?

[00:48:13] And John Connor is such a mythic figure

[00:48:15] because we never have to see someone be John Connor

[00:48:18] because he will never live up to the expectations

[00:48:20] of how the film speaks of him.

[00:48:21] In terms of like literally this guy's Jesus

[00:48:24] against the robots.

[00:48:25] He's the one person who can motivate everyone to do this.

[00:48:28] And there's no performance that can live up to that.

[00:48:30] When you see the dude at the beginning of Terminator 2

[00:48:31] with the star in his face and you're like,

[00:48:33] that's all you need to see.

[00:48:34] It's just a guy who looks stoic.

[00:48:35] So grounded by robots.

[00:48:36] Yeah, that's fine.

[00:48:37] That's John Connor performance.

[00:48:38] But nonetheless.

[00:48:39] Nonetheless.

[00:48:41] I think Furlong works because he's so far away

[00:48:43] from being the John Connor we talked about.

[00:48:45] But I like the idea that there's like little hints

[00:48:48] of like even in this like,

[00:48:49] Rude Toot kid, he's got a Rude Toot.

[00:48:51] The Toot is rude.

[00:48:51] But he's so strong minded.

[00:48:52] It's fine but it's a Rude Toot.

[00:48:53] It's a Rude Toot.

[00:48:54] But he's so strong minded.

[00:48:55] He's got like a like innate morality

[00:48:56] that can't be like shaken out of him.

[00:48:58] He's been by his like fucking psychotic mother

[00:49:00] and you know, Leigh, Xander Berkeley

[00:49:02] and whatever crappy foster parents

[00:49:05] and public enemy T-shirt that he wears

[00:49:07] because he's so cool.

[00:49:08] He's so cool.

[00:49:09] I would also argue that culturally

[00:49:11] he had a big influence on our generation

[00:49:14] of like how to sort of like be like a bratty kid.

[00:49:17] Oh no, yeah.

[00:49:18] Like I know watching that now

[00:49:20] I sort of it reminded me of how big of a jerk I was

[00:49:25] in high school and middle school

[00:49:26] to my parents and friends.

[00:49:28] I was that kid.

[00:49:29] I was definitely like, fuck everybody.

[00:49:31] No one gets me man.

[00:49:32] Did you ever have a dirt bike then?

[00:49:34] I did.

[00:49:35] Did you really?

[00:49:36] Of course I used to ride on jumps with my friends.

[00:49:38] He's dirt bike Benny?

[00:49:39] He's Benny and he's from Jersey.

[00:49:41] Come on it makes so much sense.

[00:49:42] I'm just picturing Ben now

[00:49:44] with like the Edward Furlong flip on a dirt bike.

[00:49:47] I had long hair.

[00:49:49] I used to wear army jackets.

[00:49:51] So you just wore John Cahn.

[00:49:52] Sort of.

[00:49:53] I had combat boots.

[00:49:56] Were you friends with Buttneck?

[00:49:58] Fuck, I wish I was.

[00:49:59] Did you have one of those computers

[00:50:01] that could hack an ATM machine?

[00:50:03] No, but I used to steal stuff all the time from the whiz.

[00:50:08] Oh shit.

[00:50:09] You know their tagline was nobody beats the whiz.

[00:50:12] Well, yeah.

[00:50:15] And just to clarify,

[00:50:16] when Ben says he used to steal stuff from the whiz

[00:50:18] he means the Broadway revival of the whiz

[00:50:20] he would sneak in backstage

[00:50:21] and steal props and costume pieces.

[00:50:22] That's correct.

[00:50:23] And nobody beat them.

[00:50:24] Yeah, and they're per DM pay.

[00:50:25] Yeah.

[00:50:26] Can we talk about Buttneck really quickly?

[00:50:28] Yes.

[00:50:29] We spend five seconds.

[00:50:29] Five seconds.

[00:50:30] Fine, but let's get to the movies.

[00:50:32] Two quick things about Buttneck.

[00:50:32] Same as Buttneck corner.

[00:50:33] One thing.

[00:50:36] That actor attended Bucks Rock.

[00:50:37] December Camp Griffin and I met at,

[00:50:39] yes years and years when he was very young.

[00:50:41] Two, I want you to notice

[00:50:43] he is literally shoved out of this movie.

[00:50:47] That is true.

[00:50:48] He gets shoved away by the T-1000

[00:50:51] and is gone from the movie and gone from Hollywood.

[00:50:54] He was shoved into obscurity by Robert Patrick.

[00:50:57] Yeah, this is undeniable.

[00:50:58] It's literally like if you held up

[00:51:00] the celluloid strip of that scene

[00:51:01] you see him like fly out into the real world

[00:51:04] from that shot.

[00:51:06] What I was gonna say about Furlong

[00:51:07] and this is me commending the performance

[00:51:10] and why I think it works so well

[00:51:11] is to have him be a little boy so far away

[00:51:13] from having to be what he needs to be

[00:51:15] in order to lead the humans

[00:51:16] and have the glimpses

[00:51:18] is the best way he could ever be portrayed on screen.

[00:51:20] Yeah, that's why Stahl's performance suffers.

[00:51:22] I think Stahl's...

[00:51:22] But this guy is supposed to be a fucking...

[00:51:24] Stahl's like weirdly the opposite.

[00:51:25] We're like, I think objectively it's a good performance

[00:51:27] but it doesn't really work for the movie

[00:51:29] because you need him to be a little more powerful

[00:51:31] at that point in his life.

[00:51:32] Yeah.

[00:51:33] You know?

[00:51:34] Cale's gonna say we wanna talk about

[00:51:35] just the beginning of this movie

[00:51:37] because it's something you guys talk about a lot

[00:51:38] with high concept movies that you've done

[00:51:41] of the explaining to the audience

[00:51:44] what's going on as quickly as possible.

[00:51:46] And I think this movie and Terminator 1

[00:51:48] do it really quickly, really well and cleanly.

[00:51:52] Like I was a child watching this movie

[00:51:55] who had no idea Terminator 1 existed

[00:51:57] and from the first...

[00:51:58] Yeah right, but you got it.

[00:51:59] From that opening Linda Hamilton like three sentences...

[00:52:01] It's amazing.

[00:52:02] Totally get it.

[00:52:03] Totally get everything that's going on.

[00:52:04] Should we talk about Linda Hamilton?

[00:52:06] Let's go through, I mean the movie into this

[00:52:08] because this is what I love is like

[00:52:09] he gets the exposition shit out of the way

[00:52:11] so early on, literally in the opening credits scenes, right?

[00:52:14] Like before the credits entering

[00:52:16] is like that's all this shit.

[00:52:17] And opening with traffic too,

[00:52:19] that first shot of the traffic is so great.

[00:52:21] Yeah it goes from like the endoskeleton's head

[00:52:24] to then it looks like shutters

[00:52:25] and then it's like oh no this is the great of a truck.

[00:52:27] Yeah, just like a fucking elegant filmmaking.

[00:52:30] But this movie is so operatic

[00:52:34] and there's this thing I love

[00:52:36] because we were saying right before we recorded

[00:52:38] like once Cameron makes aliens

[00:52:40] he goes big and he never goes home.

[00:52:42] Like every film is done on sort of

[00:52:44] this epic operatic scale

[00:52:45] and there's like a confidence, you know

[00:52:47] which is tied to like Cameron's notorious like arrogance

[00:52:50] and single-mindedness and getting done what he wants

[00:52:53] the way he wants it.

[00:52:55] That like the movie just starts

[00:52:57] and it's like fucking trust me I know where we're going.

[00:52:59] Yeah, yeah.

[00:53:00] I'm not gonna ask for directions, I know where I'm going

[00:53:01] because it takes an hour for fucking John Connor,

[00:53:05] Sarah Connor and the Terminator be in the same room

[00:53:07] and there's very little exposition there

[00:53:09] because they've set up the world building stuff.

[00:53:10] It's like he wants to put all the pieces on the board

[00:53:13] in terms of. Yeah he's introducing all three.

[00:53:14] Story elements, emotionally what's at play

[00:53:17] you know the stakes like all of this

[00:53:19] it takes fucking forever but you're watching it wrapped

[00:53:22] because every scene is innately dramatic

[00:53:24] you know intriguing.

[00:53:25] Bad to the bone.

[00:53:26] Really bad to the bone.

[00:53:28] Yeah we don't even have that much action until like

[00:53:30] I mean when the two of them come face to face

[00:53:31] at like 40 minutes in.

[00:53:33] You're talking about the short snagering.

[00:53:35] The two Terminators.

[00:53:36] Yeah.

[00:53:36] Yeah.

[00:53:37] It's like 37 I guess.

[00:53:38] But they're setting up like kind of four characters

[00:53:40] simultaneously that all get into the same space

[00:53:43] at the hour mark.

[00:53:45] Yeah.

[00:53:46] And like you look at something like you know

[00:53:48] I mean I love Inception but Inception has to spend

[00:53:51] that hour setting up the rules of the universe.

[00:53:53] Yeah.

[00:53:54] Before it can have fun for the next hour and a half.

[00:53:55] But an issue I have with Inception is that

[00:53:57] I think it over explains what is happening.

[00:54:00] I think so too.

[00:54:01] I agree with it.

[00:54:02] That movie is not as complicated as the movie thinks it is.

[00:54:04] I think they could have cut it by 25%.

[00:54:06] But I don't think this, I think even like

[00:54:08] a good example of what I'm talking about

[00:54:09] in this in Terminator 2 is.

[00:54:11] Yeah.

[00:54:13] He is able to show the powers, the abilities of the term,

[00:54:17] of both Terminators separately quickly

[00:54:20] and without the Terminator.

[00:54:22] Sure don't tell.

[00:54:22] Yeah.

[00:54:23] There's so little exposition in this way.

[00:54:24] I mean once you get past the opening it really is like

[00:54:27] it's taking a while to set up because it's good storytelling.

[00:54:30] Like he's telling you a story

[00:54:31] and all of these elements are important

[00:54:33] and he's showing them to you.

[00:54:35] But like it isn't really until you get to like

[00:54:37] the Dyson ship where it starts having

[00:54:39] to explain shit again.

[00:54:40] Yeah.

[00:54:41] The universe are so cleanly established.

[00:54:43] Whether or not you've seen the first one.

[00:54:45] Okay, so fucking opening, future war,

[00:54:47] Sarah Connor voiceover sets it up.

[00:54:49] Future war looks fucking unbelievable here.

[00:54:51] This time they really went all out.

[00:54:53] You see some extra, some extra frogs getting this.

[00:54:55] The lights go down, try start pictures.

[00:54:58] Here comes the Pegasus

[00:55:00] and then Cameron Unzips flying takes out his dick

[00:55:02] and he's like I got $88 million.

[00:55:04] And now we have fucking hunter killers flying in the sky

[00:55:07] and you know as opposed to like

[00:55:09] the beautiful stop motion, herky jerky

[00:55:12] and the skeleton.

[00:55:12] Which I like as well.

[00:55:13] I love to and then you have the rod puppet

[00:55:15] when it's only the upper body.

[00:55:16] Now you have this unbelievable shot

[00:55:18] where it's like stomping on the skull, skull crushed

[00:55:21] and then like fucking tilt up

[00:55:23] and here's this fucking terminator

[00:55:25] that's actually like moving and giving a performance.

[00:55:28] You know?

[00:55:29] Yeah.

[00:55:29] It's like tilting his head and has like character.

[00:55:31] A weird grin.

[00:55:32] Yeah.

[00:55:32] A weird.

[00:55:34] Right, so he's just letting you know like,

[00:55:36] okay next level.

[00:55:37] Yeah.

[00:55:38] We're going here.

[00:55:39] Yeah.

[00:55:40] And then you go into like fucking fire,

[00:55:42] opening credits under and over fire

[00:55:45] and then just the skull slowly coming closer and closer.

[00:55:47] So great.

[00:55:48] And it's just a promise that's like,

[00:55:49] hold on I'm gonna get you there.

[00:55:51] And then we just go to a truck

[00:55:52] and the movie just like takes its time

[00:55:54] putting the pieces in place.

[00:55:55] Yes.

[00:55:56] Here's the thing we've seen before.

[00:55:57] Naked buff guy lands in a parking lot.

[00:55:59] But still looks good.

[00:56:01] What are you gonna say?

[00:56:02] I was gonna say that I think a good effect

[00:56:04] and you see this in the,

[00:56:05] even from the opening bar scene

[00:56:07] where he has that fight,

[00:56:08] the effect of one person not grimacing

[00:56:13] during a fight scene,

[00:56:14] really you immediately go,

[00:56:16] oh this feels different.

[00:56:17] Yeah.

[00:56:18] Like the way even like him like when he like sits up.

[00:56:21] Oh I get what you're saying.

[00:56:22] Yeah he doesn't like, he's like,

[00:56:24] ugh, like you see so often.

[00:56:26] That's why he's so good.

[00:56:26] Movie fights, he's like,

[00:56:27] I mean.

[00:56:28] Well and that's the key to like the strength

[00:56:29] of Arnold Schwarzenegger is that he is

[00:56:31] not innately an actor.

[00:56:33] You know that he is a physical presence.

[00:56:35] Yeah.

[00:56:36] That he is like an athlete.

[00:56:37] You know what I'm saying?

[00:56:38] I know what you're saying.

[00:56:38] And the way he tackles scenes is like an athlete,

[00:56:40] like objective of like what do I need to do here?

[00:56:42] I guess so.

[00:56:43] So like if you're an actor and you come from like

[00:56:44] a psychological mindset of trying to explore your character

[00:56:46] it's very hard to be like how do I not grimace here

[00:56:48] because I'm trying to play it real and be organic.

[00:56:50] But where's what Schwarzenegger?

[00:56:51] Where's what's real and say I'm not grimacing.

[00:56:52] Exactly.

[00:56:53] Yeah.

[00:56:54] But I'm saying it's,

[00:56:55] he's perfect in this because it's like,

[00:56:57] hey just sit up and don't grimace.

[00:56:58] And I was like okay I got it.

[00:56:59] You know?

[00:57:00] Yeah.

[00:57:01] I think Arnold's a better actor

[00:57:01] than you're giving him credit for.

[00:57:03] But I think the physical presencing is important

[00:57:05] because we buy that he doesn't grimace.

[00:57:06] It's more where he doesn't look like he'd need to grimace.

[00:57:10] Yeah.

[00:57:10] If it was Michael Bean,

[00:57:12] we might not buy it like when a knife goes in his flesh

[00:57:15] that he wouldn't like have some reaction.

[00:57:17] I watched this movie with my beloved Amazon X-ray

[00:57:20] and there was a trivia fact that I hadn't heard before.

[00:57:23] Go ahead.

[00:57:24] When they did his makeup,

[00:57:25] not even like the special effects makeup

[00:57:27] before he's damaged at all, Schwarzenegger.

[00:57:29] I think they did this for our Patrick Tube

[00:57:30] but definitely for Schwarzenegger

[00:57:31] especially you can see it in the opening scene

[00:57:33] where he's like totally naked.

[00:57:35] Just his basic like foundation kind of makeup.

[00:57:38] They mixed KY jelly into the makeup

[00:57:41] so he has this weird sheen.

[00:57:43] He's got this kind of rubbery thing going on.

[00:57:46] He really does look like very mint, you know?

[00:57:50] And we talked about like,

[00:57:51] we talked about in our Terminator episode

[00:57:53] this weird thing where like

[00:57:54] all Schwarzenegger is kind of the least sexual person

[00:57:56] in the world is objectively just a beautiful object.

[00:58:00] And especially in this scene, the bar when it's like,

[00:58:02] okay, they got a budget now.

[00:58:03] They have a hair guy, his hair is immaculate.

[00:58:05] They got the makeup on him.

[00:58:07] Yeah, he looks better in this movie.

[00:58:08] The angles of him are just insane.

[00:58:10] The sunglasses are perfect.

[00:58:11] He looks like sharp and square and robotic.

[00:58:14] Yeah, it's immaculate.

[00:58:15] I mean like that poster is, you know, it's undeniable.

[00:58:19] Like, I mean, yeah.

[00:58:20] Every accessory he gets, everything is perfect.

[00:58:23] That poster, we're looking at just the classic

[00:58:25] like the leather machine.

[00:58:27] The guy who's wearing him on the motorcycle

[00:58:29] with the shotgun gets at my favorite thing

[00:58:31] I've ever heard anyone say about Arnold,

[00:58:33] which is like he's the only actor

[00:58:35] whose name could actually fill a poster.

[00:58:37] Right.

[00:58:38] It felt so important when there was a movie

[00:58:40] and it was just Schwarzenegger.

[00:58:41] And it was like, they had to take four,

[00:58:44] like shots at the poster before

[00:58:45] they could format the full name in there.

[00:58:48] But yeah, he just looks incredible.

[00:58:50] Yeah.

[00:58:51] And he's just still focused, minimal.

[00:58:54] I love the detail of like the guy

[00:58:56] he steals the biker clothes from.

[00:58:58] They're not, like they look kind of loose and shitty on him.

[00:59:01] Right, right.

[00:59:02] But they tailored it perfectly to Arnold's body.

[00:59:04] So when it's on the guy, it just looks like

[00:59:06] that's just some fucking sleazy biker.

[00:59:08] And then because the guy's smaller than him,

[00:59:10] it makes him look unbelievable when he puts it on.

[00:59:13] He looks great.

[00:59:13] Yeah.

[00:59:16] One complaint I've heard about this movie.

[00:59:18] Okay.

[00:59:18] Which I hear it, but it doesn't hurt the film for me.

[00:59:21] Sure.

[00:59:22] Jesse Vandenberg, friend.

[00:59:24] Okay.

[00:59:26] Says that he likes Terminator one more.

[00:59:28] Not just because of this.

[00:59:29] Get to the criticism.

[00:59:30] This is one thing he likes more about Terminator one

[00:59:32] is that the badass look is developed organically,

[00:59:35] story point by story point.

[00:59:37] This is a silly criticism.

[00:59:38] I just miss it.

[00:59:39] The hair gets burned off.

[00:59:40] That's why it's spiky.

[00:59:41] Why is he wearing the sunglasses?

[00:59:42] Because the eye's damaged.

[00:59:43] The leather jacket's a place for the Technoir thing.

[00:59:46] Whereas this movie, he enters

[00:59:47] and he looks like badass Terminator 2.

[00:59:49] The Terminator one is about

[00:59:51] a unfeeling kind of like roadblock of a thing

[00:59:54] that's just sort of moving through scenes.

[00:59:55] Terminator 2, the idea is that he's a developing organism.

[00:59:59] Like as he tells John, you know.

[01:00:02] So it's like he wants to put on the sunglasses.

[01:00:04] Why does he want to put on the sunglasses?

[01:00:06] I don't know.

[01:00:06] But there's like weird little hints of personality to him.

[01:00:09] Also, here's my kind of argument.

[01:00:12] It looks fucking cool.

[01:00:13] Here's my kind of argument.

[01:00:14] Stop being a fucking dork.

[01:00:16] Hey, hey!

[01:00:17] Jesse should stop being a dork.

[01:00:18] He should stop being a dork.

[01:00:20] Anyway, Terminator 2.

[01:00:22] So we have Arnie.

[01:00:23] We've introduced the T-800.

[01:00:24] Okay, that piece is on the game board.

[01:00:26] Boop!

[01:00:27] John Connor.

[01:00:29] Edward Furlough.

[01:00:30] Does he come in before the T-1000?

[01:00:31] I can't remember.

[01:00:31] Can you guys remember?

[01:00:33] I just fucking watched it.

[01:00:34] I just watched this yesterday.

[01:00:35] It's hard to remember because we've seen it so many times.

[01:00:37] We just know all the scenes.

[01:00:39] I can't remember.

[01:00:39] All right, well, we can talk about the T-1000 though.

[01:00:41] We talked about John Connor.

[01:00:42] So John Connor, we get that this is John Connor.

[01:00:46] If we've seen Terminator,

[01:00:47] we get that he's some sort of messiah figure.

[01:00:48] But he's angry.

[01:00:50] Angry little boy.

[01:00:50] He's got a little scooter.

[01:00:52] Foster parents.

[01:00:53] He hacks into ATMs.

[01:00:54] Play by Vasquez.

[01:00:56] In one of the coolest-

[01:00:57] Oh yeah, Vasquez plays his foster mom.

[01:00:59] Right.

[01:01:00] Which I always love because it's like here she's playing more

[01:01:02] like who she is in real life.

[01:01:04] Like Vasquez was such a weird,

[01:01:05] like Lon Chani transformative performance

[01:01:08] that you can't even register that this is the same actress

[01:01:12] because if you've seen Aliens first,

[01:01:14] you'd be like, well, that just must be who she is.

[01:01:16] They just found Vasquez.

[01:01:19] But no, it's Jeanette Goldstein.

[01:01:21] We talked about her last week.

[01:01:22] She's amazing.

[01:01:23] She's a big bra store and she's great.

[01:01:24] Jeanette Bra.

[01:01:25] Jeanette Bra.

[01:01:26] Alphabet starts at D.

[01:01:27] So are we talking about Robert Patrick?

[01:01:28] So, okay, so we have John, blah, blah, blah.

[01:01:30] We got him right.

[01:01:31] Robert Patrick.

[01:01:32] He's a brat.

[01:01:33] He's fucking badass.

[01:01:34] I was him for Halloween one year.

[01:01:36] They established that in the film.

[01:01:37] You'd be great.

[01:01:38] They established that.

[01:01:39] I remember that.

[01:01:40] You used to have that same public anime t-shirt.

[01:01:42] I still do.

[01:01:42] Yeah, I remember that.

[01:01:44] Yeah, Army Jack.

[01:01:45] Did you buy it for the costume or did you just have it?

[01:01:48] I bought it for the costume but it was a dual purpose.

[01:01:50] I mean, I was like really into public anime

[01:01:52] and I love Terminator 2 so I was like,

[01:01:54] oh, I'll buy this costume and then I'll wear it all the time.

[01:01:55] And I wore it all the time.

[01:01:57] Yeah.

[01:01:57] Yeah, I mean all the elements I bought

[01:02:00] from my John Connor costume,

[01:02:01] I just wore every day in different configurations.

[01:02:03] I did the Army Jacket for a long fucking time.

[01:02:05] I remember that too.

[01:02:06] Like I just, and I had long hair.

[01:02:07] It was not good but I like did the fucking flip whatever.

[01:02:12] My like curly haired version of that.

[01:02:15] He's like, I was just like fucking,

[01:02:16] I was like kid, I was just like this guy rules.

[01:02:18] Like, and the thing I love about him.

[01:02:20] Sorry, you need him and that's why,

[01:02:22] another reason Furlong is so good.

[01:02:23] This is gonna be a movie that's more appealing to teenagers.

[01:02:26] Oh yeah.

[01:02:27] And he's your way in if you're a teenager.

[01:02:28] And the relatable thing is that he's so fucking anxious.

[01:02:30] And it's like, what if you had a Terminator?

[01:02:32] Right, right, which is every kid's dream.

[01:02:34] That'd be cool.

[01:02:35] But it's also he's so angry and bratty

[01:02:37] because like the world has handed him

[01:02:39] like a bad deck of cards.

[01:02:41] But also as a kid you're just like,

[01:02:42] well I feel this way because I got hormones.

[01:02:44] Like I'm as angry as John Connor is.

[01:02:45] But I do like the idea where he's like,

[01:02:47] well, you know, I used to think my mom was,

[01:02:49] I guess right about the end of the world

[01:02:50] because I was grown up, you know,

[01:02:52] told that the world is ending

[01:02:54] and like that I needed to train for it.

[01:02:55] And then someone told me she's crazy.

[01:02:58] So I guess she's crazy.

[01:02:59] I mean, I think about like Luke Skywalker, right?

[01:03:02] He's annoying.

[01:03:03] Who?

[01:03:04] Luke Skywalker.

[01:03:05] Luke Skywalker.

[01:03:06] He fucked that guy, you know?

[01:03:07] Like he's so-

[01:03:08] Wow, wow, wow, wow.

[01:03:09] He's coming to get you.

[01:03:10] So obnoxious initially.

[01:03:12] I don't know, I feel like there was something

[01:03:13] about this character that I like instantly related to.

[01:03:17] I think it's of the time

[01:03:19] and like of the tone of the era.

[01:03:21] Yeah, yeah.

[01:03:22] And it's dramatic irony too of being like,

[01:03:24] this is the most noble man,

[01:03:25] the most selfless man,

[01:03:26] the man who leads humanity.

[01:03:27] Then you're introduced to him

[01:03:28] and he's like, yeah, yeah.

[01:03:29] Like he's like a little Bart Simpson, you know?

[01:03:31] He's very Bart Simpson.

[01:03:33] He says no problemo.

[01:03:35] I had a slingshot.

[01:03:36] Go on.

[01:03:38] Did you really?

[01:03:39] Of course I did.

[01:03:40] Oh God, can we sell an animated series about Little Ben?

[01:03:43] I'm trying.

[01:03:44] Yeah, Little Ben.

[01:03:44] Little Ben.

[01:03:45] I'm trying to find the quote where he talks about his mom

[01:03:49] because there's something about the way he said,

[01:03:51] I can't find it.

[01:03:52] What's when he's hacking the ATM?

[01:03:53] And it's like, where do you learn how to do that?

[01:03:54] It's like for my mom.

[01:03:56] And he's like, yeah, she taught me to do all this stuff.

[01:03:57] And it's like, oh, she sounds pretty cool.

[01:03:59] And he's like, no, she's a fucking nutcase.

[01:04:00] Yeah, exactly.

[01:04:01] Exactly.

[01:04:02] Like she was a little cool

[01:04:03] until she wouldn't stop talking about Rubits.

[01:04:04] And well, yeah, she talked a lot about Rubits.

[01:04:07] And then we'll get to this later

[01:04:09] but I love that when they link back up,

[01:04:11] he's like the only person who can reach her at all.

[01:04:14] And even then, only halfway.

[01:04:16] She's been trained to not trust anybody.

[01:04:17] Right, and he'll be like,

[01:04:19] we gotta be more constructive or whatever.

[01:04:21] Blow her up or whatever.

[01:04:23] Anyway, we'll get to her.

[01:04:24] No, yeah, I don't, not to jump the gun

[01:04:26] but I think this is an incredible Mother Sun movie.

[01:04:28] Oh, yeah.

[01:04:29] Which there aren't enough of,

[01:04:30] there are some, but like.

[01:04:32] Most of them made by James Cameron.

[01:04:33] Yeah.

[01:04:34] But to Robert Patrick, who we now see.

[01:04:37] The T-1000.

[01:04:38] The T-1000, I think,

[01:04:40] I feel bad for Robert Patrick watching this.

[01:04:43] Because I think the other,

[01:04:44] especially Hamilton Schwarzenegger performances

[01:04:46] are remembered so much from this.

[01:04:48] Robert Patrick is great.

[01:04:50] Incredible.

[01:04:51] I might, I just want,

[01:04:52] he's pretty well remembered for this movie.

[01:04:53] I feel like it's his,

[01:04:54] like the thing he's remembered for.

[01:04:55] But no, I mean.

[01:04:56] Yes, yes.

[01:04:57] I think I,

[01:04:58] I get what you're saying that he didn't necessarily have,

[01:05:02] it didn't give him the career boost it should've.

[01:05:04] Yeah, this is the thing he's most famous for.

[01:05:06] Yeah.

[01:05:07] It's not playing dogged on season eight of the X-Files.

[01:05:10] You know?

[01:05:11] Well, what's weird is.

[01:05:11] He's great, I love dogged.

[01:05:13] Not knocking dogged.

[01:05:14] Right, no one's knocking dogged.

[01:05:16] Let's be clear.

[01:05:17] He's in the CBS show The Unit.

[01:05:18] Oh yeah?

[01:05:19] Now he's in the CBS show Scorpion.

[01:05:22] It is kind of a thing where like,

[01:05:25] and I think actually the same thing happened

[01:05:26] at Jeanette Goldstein with Aliens.

[01:05:28] I was listening to,

[01:05:29] a lot of our fans also listened to the,

[01:05:30] I was there too.

[01:05:31] I told you it was amazing.

[01:05:32] That's a great episode.

[01:05:33] Yes.

[01:05:34] But it kind of hurt her that she

[01:05:37] isolated this whole so well.

[01:05:40] Where like Schwarzenegger

[01:05:42] somehow figured out how to turn the Terminator

[01:05:44] into like a movie star and apply that persona

[01:05:46] into different characters, right?

[01:05:48] But Robert Patrick like wasn't an action star.

[01:05:50] He was like a character actor.

[01:05:52] And he like absorbed this role so well.

[01:05:56] And then like to the detriment of I think to a degree,

[01:05:58] like you never stopped working,

[01:06:00] but he always just kind of became like a guy

[01:06:02] because it was like, well,

[01:06:04] how do you do that in something else?

[01:06:05] Yeah.

[01:06:06] You know, and it was just like,

[01:06:07] cause he's a good actor.

[01:06:08] If you give him anything,

[01:06:09] he'll figure out how to do it.

[01:06:10] He made a lot of shitty movies.

[01:06:11] He just made broken fire in this guy.

[01:06:14] Double dragon, striptease, zero tolerance.

[01:06:18] He might just sort of cashed out.

[01:06:20] He might just sort of take the money.

[01:06:21] I think he's a heavy.

[01:06:22] He's a great heavy.

[01:06:23] He was like a heavy through the 90s.

[01:06:25] But this is such a precise like

[01:06:26] in this movie he looks like a Cadillac.

[01:06:30] Which is how Cameron described the Terminator, right?

[01:06:32] Like Schwarzenegger's a tank.

[01:06:33] This guy's a Cadillac.

[01:06:35] And then he's aged and he kind of looks weird now.

[01:06:38] Like a grizzled old guy.

[01:06:40] You know what he's incredible in is the Sopranos.

[01:06:42] He had like a three episode guest card.

[01:06:44] He's fucking fantastic in that.

[01:06:46] It's basically someone who goes in deep depth

[01:06:48] and Tony just blows out his business,

[01:06:51] just ruins him and he's just there

[01:06:54] as it's all happening.

[01:06:55] It's great.

[01:06:55] I'm always happy to see him.

[01:06:56] It's just like he was so good in this

[01:06:57] and there was no way to translate this

[01:06:59] to another performance in a way, you know?

[01:07:02] I also think when you watch T1

[01:07:04] and you see Schwarzenegger's performance in that,

[01:07:05] which is great, but he's very cold, short,

[01:07:09] as the bad guy.

[01:07:10] And this and also making him a cop is so fucking brilliant.

[01:07:13] Well, hey, good job T1000.

[01:07:16] You should credit where it's due.

[01:07:17] The T1000 had that idea.

[01:07:20] But like that scene where he talks

[01:07:22] to John Connors Foster parents.

[01:07:24] John, I wish I could do his voice.

[01:07:26] Have you seen this boy?

[01:07:28] But it's also like he's kind of like he's not cold.

[01:07:30] He doesn't come off as a villain.

[01:07:31] I would trust that guy if that guy has a cop.

[01:07:34] Although the audience is like, yeah, go ahead.

[01:07:36] I mean, yeah, that guy has a cop showed up

[01:07:38] and asked me where my foster son was.

[01:07:39] I wouldn't be like, this guy's in a cop.

[01:07:40] He's a robot from the future.

[01:07:42] Well, the trick of the movie is like

[01:07:45] until the moment where Arnie says get down

[01:07:48] and then he shoots him.

[01:07:50] The movie is presenting it as like,

[01:07:52] it's like, uh-oh, here's Arnie again,

[01:07:54] bad guy, out to get John.

[01:07:56] Yeah, and the opening voiceover.

[01:07:58] Yeah, and then you see Robert Patrick

[01:07:59] and he's a cop and he's looking for John.

[01:08:01] You're like, oh, this is the good one.

[01:08:03] Now they ruin that in the marketing,

[01:08:04] so it's forcing me.

[01:08:06] But it is such a fun trick that the movie plays.

[01:08:09] It's fun watching it play it.

[01:08:10] But even in the opening narration that Sarah Connor does,

[01:08:14] she said like, you know, the first attack happened

[01:08:16] when I was pregnant, the second attack happened

[01:08:18] when my son was whatever.

[01:08:19] They sent two terminators back that time,

[01:08:21] one to protect, one to-

[01:08:22] Two people, right?

[01:08:23] Right, two things.

[01:08:25] Right, and she said the question was

[01:08:26] which one would get to him first.

[01:08:27] So you're already from the voiceover establishment.

[01:08:29] You're primed for the same journey.

[01:08:31] Correct me if I'm wrong,

[01:08:32] but wasn't this movie shot during the Rodney King?

[01:08:37] Yeah, probably, yeah.

[01:08:38] I think it was shot literally,

[01:08:39] they said one of their shooting locations wasn't far-

[01:08:41] It's the biker bar.

[01:08:42] Is the biker bar?

[01:08:43] The biker bar was right where the beating happened

[01:08:45] on the night that it was happening.

[01:08:47] So by the time this came out,

[01:08:48] especially in Los Angeles,

[01:08:50] cop trust was at a low.

[01:08:52] Right, sure.

[01:08:53] But as it's today.

[01:08:56] But there's this beautiful thing that like,

[01:08:59] the T1000 is more advanced as a program,

[01:09:02] not just because it can do the liquid metal ship,

[01:09:03] but it's a better actor.

[01:09:05] Yeah, like it's more able to fit into normal society.

[01:09:09] And it's scarier.

[01:09:10] It makes Robert Patrick scarier, you know?

[01:09:13] But it has emotional range that can play things.

[01:09:15] I mean what's beautiful about his performance is

[01:09:17] he's like almost human.

[01:09:20] Like when he's in the scenes

[01:09:21] as a cop interviewing people and whatever,

[01:09:23] it's like he's acting friendly

[01:09:25] but there's something a little bit off,

[01:09:26] there's a little unnerving,

[01:09:27] but he's not like-

[01:09:28] Where'd she get that bike?

[01:09:29] Yeah, that thing.

[01:09:30] Yeah, it's sort of like-

[01:09:31] But it doesn't feel like you be like,

[01:09:32] wait this guy's a fucking robot.

[01:09:33] I get what you guys are saying.

[01:09:34] Yeah, because the Terminator you're like-

[01:09:36] It's Robbit by the way.

[01:09:37] I'm sorry, Robbit.

[01:09:38] And even when he has to,

[01:09:39] obviously he plays other people a lot,

[01:09:43] more than, I mean the Terminator,

[01:09:45] I think in Terminator 1 has one scene

[01:09:47] where he does the voice copying on the phone,

[01:09:49] the T1000 legitimately like-

[01:09:51] Turns into people.

[01:09:51] Turns into people, he's chopping salary.

[01:09:54] That's my favorite scene is that

[01:09:56] the T1000 has to cut salary

[01:09:58] and pretend to be a mom for God knows how long.

[01:10:02] God knows how long he's-

[01:10:02] Waiting for the phone ring or whatever.

[01:10:04] And Jeanette Goldstein talks about in that podcast episode

[01:10:07] that she like worked with Robert Patrick.

[01:10:09] And I think he did that with every other actor

[01:10:11] who had to play a version of him

[01:10:13] where he was like, this is what I'm doing.

[01:10:14] Here's how I figured it out.

[01:10:16] These are my tricks.

[01:10:17] So everyone, it is a very cohesive performance

[01:10:20] across all the other versions-

[01:10:22] I know, the one whenever he shifts into another body,

[01:10:24] yeah they do, they match.

[01:10:25] Yeah.

[01:10:26] It's nice.

[01:10:27] And just sort of the very slight,

[01:10:28] and he has such control of movement in that part.

[01:10:31] Oh, fingers on the ring.

[01:10:32] But the way he brings it up, he's like-

[01:10:34] Yeah.

[01:10:35] It's Belletic, it's very-

[01:10:36] Very Belletic.

[01:10:37] Terrifying.

[01:10:38] Terrifying.

[01:10:39] A terrifying villain.

[01:10:40] It's one of the best villains.

[01:10:40] Yeah.

[01:10:42] Oh God, this fucking movie.

[01:10:43] Okay, so that's him.

[01:10:44] Then there's Sarah Connor.

[01:10:45] Oh, my favorite.

[01:10:46] Linda Hamilton in the role of-

[01:10:48] Now in between The Terminator and Terminator 2,

[01:10:53] Linda Hamilton had been on the show Beauty and the Beast.

[01:10:55] With Ron Perlman.

[01:10:56] With Ron Perlman.

[01:10:57] Written by George R.R. Martin.

[01:10:58] Hey! Among other people.

[01:10:59] Yeah.

[01:11:00] Having some nice sewer love.

[01:11:02] Yeah, she got a couple Emmy nominations,

[01:11:04] but it was always a cult show.

[01:11:06] Yeah.

[01:11:08] You know, that's kind of it.

[01:11:09] Like, she wasn't a star at all.

[01:11:11] Yeah.

[01:11:11] I also looked up after this,

[01:11:13] because I watched this movie again, I'm like-

[01:11:14] She makes one hit movie after every one big movie ever.

[01:11:17] It's such a good fucking performance.

[01:11:18] Was it the volcano?

[01:11:19] Dungeons Peak.

[01:11:20] Dungeons Peak.

[01:11:21] And she's also in what's that terrible Jim Belushi movie

[01:11:24] where he goes back in time.

[01:11:26] Oh, Mr. Wonderful.

[01:11:27] Mr. Destiny.

[01:11:28] Mr. Destiny.

[01:11:29] Mr. Destiny, yeah.

[01:11:30] But I was like, how could she have not translated this?

[01:11:34] It's insane.

[01:11:35] Into something.

[01:11:36] She's a tough one, I don't know.

[01:11:38] I don't know, it's an interesting question.

[01:11:39] It's such a good performance.

[01:11:40] Well you feel like-

[01:11:41] I think she had a lot of drama in her life.

[01:11:43] And so that was part of it.

[01:11:44] And she was on a show, so shows are time consuming.

[01:11:46] So she got kind of sucked into the show.

[01:11:48] But after this, you feel like, you know,

[01:11:50] she should've gotten some sort of

[01:11:53] Sigourney post-aliens boost.

[01:11:55] Yeah.

[01:11:57] But Sigourney was already famous.

[01:11:58] That's what I'm saying.

[01:11:59] Same boost, because Sigourney already had the look, Mark.

[01:12:02] Yeah, like, yeah.

[01:12:03] But imagine that she would've-

[01:12:05] And it's weird that in Dante's peak,

[01:12:06] she's not the badass.

[01:12:10] You know what I'm saying?

[01:12:11] No, she's kind of just a person.

[01:12:13] Like Sigourney didn't play a badass every time.

[01:12:15] She's in a pantsuit.

[01:12:16] Right, after aliens, but it was like,

[01:12:17] they never let her do anything like this ever again.

[01:12:20] And it's incredible.

[01:12:21] Like you watch this and it's even just,

[01:12:23] there's the moment when she's sort of

[01:12:25] planning her breakout from the hospital,

[01:12:29] the psychiatric hospital.

[01:12:30] And there's like the night stick on the ground.

[01:12:33] And the way she just sort of like picks it up

[01:12:35] and tucks into her arm without missing a beat,

[01:12:37] you know, just moving forward,

[01:12:39] she's like a fucking like black ops agent.

[01:12:42] She's also in incredible shape.

[01:12:44] Unbelievable.

[01:12:45] Yeah.

[01:12:46] Like looks very athletic.

[01:12:47] But then it is like a human performance, you know?

[01:12:49] It's like she has her moments of vulnerability,

[01:12:51] her moments of warmth.

[01:12:52] I mean, it's an amazing like-

[01:12:55] I agree.

[01:12:55] I'm just reading about her career, her life and stuff.

[01:12:58] She has like bipolar disorder.

[01:13:00] She broke up.

[01:13:01] I mean, we talked about Bruce Abbott

[01:13:02] and the guy who left her and then she moved in

[01:13:04] with Jim's Cameron and they had a child

[01:13:06] but then they broke up as well, you know?

[01:13:09] Didn't get married until years later

[01:13:10] and then he left her when she was pregnant

[01:13:11] with the other girl.

[01:13:12] She got 50 million bucks in the divorce.

[01:13:14] Good job on that.

[01:13:14] Well, hey, that sounds bad.

[01:13:15] Well, you know, maybe not.

[01:13:17] And everyone's gonna be a movie star forever.

[01:13:18] But the most interesting detail is,

[01:13:22] Hamilton has described herself as a Democrat

[01:13:24] but she did vote for Arnold Schwarzenegger

[01:13:27] in the government.

[01:13:27] I mean, who can blame her?

[01:13:29] Oh boy.

[01:13:30] Hey, if I had lived in California, I might have.

[01:13:31] I would have voted for him twice.

[01:13:32] You should have voted for him the first time.

[01:13:33] I mean, voted against him the first time

[01:13:35] and for him the second time,

[01:13:37] mirroring the Terminator arc.

[01:13:39] You know, there's-

[01:13:40] Will you allow me?

[01:13:41] Yeah.

[01:13:42] Five comedy points, David.

[01:13:42] I know Pat's not here and we're trying to play.

[01:13:44] Do you remember when there was that

[01:13:46] really brief period of time

[01:13:47] after he got elected governor where they were like,

[01:13:49] is there gonna be a constitutional amendment

[01:13:52] to allow him to run for president?

[01:13:54] There was like a few weeks

[01:13:56] where we thought about doing that hardcore.

[01:13:58] But then we didn't and it was a great decision.

[01:13:59] It was a great decision.

[01:14:01] In fact, if anything,

[01:14:02] we maybe should have made it harder to run for president.

[01:14:05] I think that's what we're learning right now.

[01:14:06] That's true.

[01:14:07] But getting back to Terminator 2,

[01:14:10] even that first shot in the insane asylum of her

[01:14:13] is like so, you're already so into this character.

[01:14:16] Is the first shot of her doing chin ups?

[01:14:18] So did you guys watch the director's cut or the regular?

[01:14:21] I watched the director.

[01:14:21] I've always-

[01:14:22] I think I watched the regular one.

[01:14:23] Did it have the cut or not?

[01:14:25] It did have the cut.

[01:14:26] That's the director's cut.

[01:14:27] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:14:28] The first thing is-

[01:14:28] The original cut is kind of hard to come across at this.

[01:14:30] I think they want you to see the director.

[01:14:32] Yeah, it's the pull ups and then you don't see her face

[01:14:34] until she spins around and just how's your leg

[01:14:36] or whatever that line is.

[01:14:37] The whole mental hospital part of it

[01:14:41] is so fucking good.

[01:14:42] Like all the details, like, you know,

[01:14:45] the way she's been-

[01:14:46] They take their time.

[01:14:47] That's what I'm saying.

[01:14:48] Like if they lay it all out for you,

[01:14:50] the way that guard clangs his night stick along the wall,

[01:14:54] like all these things burned in my brain.

[01:14:56] The interview scene?

[01:14:57] The interview scene is so good.

[01:14:58] Where she's trying where she's like,

[01:14:59] well you said that if I did this,

[01:15:01] that I would be able to-

[01:15:02] You're like, you know she's just boiling.

[01:15:05] Well the fact that it's Dr. Silverman again is incredible.

[01:15:08] Because he so easily made it a new doctor,

[01:15:11] but the fact that there's that amazing moment

[01:15:13] in the first term-

[01:15:14] She's like fucking meal ticket.

[01:15:15] Look at this crazy person.

[01:15:17] And that he's just sort of tracked her down

[01:15:18] and it's like, okay yes,

[01:15:19] of course they would want to institutionalize her

[01:15:21] because she was like trying to blow up computer companies.

[01:15:23] Yeah.

[01:15:24] And she like is talking about future robots.

[01:15:26] But I also love the idea that he was like,

[01:15:27] I'm not letting her get away.

[01:15:29] If someone's institutionalizing her,

[01:15:31] it's me because she's the one I've been looking for.

[01:15:33] And how satisfying is that moment

[01:15:36] when Robert Patrick walks through the bars

[01:15:38] and the doctor sees it

[01:15:39] and the cigarette falls out of his mouth?

[01:15:40] No, it's-

[01:15:41] And you're like, that is so-

[01:15:43] Especially watching T1 right before it,

[01:15:45] you're like, that's so fucking satisfying.

[01:15:46] But here's the thing.

[01:15:47] Fuck you.

[01:15:47] In James Cameron movies, everything matters.

[01:15:50] Everything's very satisfying.

[01:15:52] Everything is except for in the abyss,

[01:15:54] which is what's so crazy about the abyss.

[01:15:56] But like everything's building to satisfying payoffs.

[01:15:59] Like even like little mini payoffs like that one,

[01:16:01] which is so good.

[01:16:03] And that's his last shot in the movie.

[01:16:04] Yeah, I think so.

[01:16:05] He's in T3 right?

[01:16:07] Yes, he's really good in that.

[01:16:08] Yeah, I'm trying to-

[01:16:08] Because he's like crazy in T3 right?

[01:16:10] Yeah.

[01:16:11] It's been-

[01:16:12] Chris Harvick's in T3.

[01:16:13] Correct.

[01:16:13] Yeah, points.

[01:16:15] No comedy points but points.

[01:16:17] Yeah, just points.

[01:16:17] There is just like a thing where I was watching this

[01:16:19] and I was like, you know any other director,

[01:16:21] especially doing a sequel where it's like,

[01:16:23] I got the audience in the pocket.

[01:16:24] They just want me to play the hits, right?

[01:16:26] Because that camera gets ambitious with his sequels,

[01:16:28] whether it's his own film he's sequelizing or someone else's.

[01:16:30] He gets ambitious.

[01:16:31] He moves laterally.

[01:16:32] He throws it off the hump, you know?

[01:16:35] It doesn't just give people the same thing again.

[01:16:38] When he parallels stuff,

[01:16:40] it's sort of to get at a larger point

[01:16:42] to connect the films even with their disparate elements.

[01:16:45] And I was just like, anyone else making this kind of movie

[01:16:48] would have had one two-minute scene

[01:16:51] in the insane asylum before the Terminator show.

[01:16:54] Before, yeah, he breaks her out or whatever.

[01:16:55] And you get like six of them where it's like,

[01:16:57] you just flash in,

[01:16:59] like especially in the director's cut

[01:17:00] where you have the Kyle Reese thing

[01:17:01] and it's like, okay, she still is human, you know?

[01:17:03] Which is honestly, yeah.

[01:17:04] It's an interesting, it's not the most necessary scene.

[01:17:07] I think it's a little clunky.

[01:17:08] You can see why they cut it.

[01:17:08] It's a little clunky just because

[01:17:10] you're so into what's happening in the thing.

[01:17:12] Like you barely even need to be reminded of Kyle Reese.

[01:17:15] You know what I mean?

[01:17:16] Like you're like...

[01:17:16] Yeah, the weird thing is...

[01:17:17] He was never really her equal anyway.

[01:17:19] No, of course not.

[01:17:20] And we're already like, great, Sarah Connor's the best.

[01:17:22] I love this.

[01:17:23] Yeah.

[01:17:24] I kind of prefer watching the theatrical edition

[01:17:26] and knowing that that scene exists in the back of my mind.

[01:17:29] You know what I'm saying?

[01:17:29] So I have that for the additional color,

[01:17:31] but I don't really love the scene in and of itself.

[01:17:33] That was, is that Michael Bean's last work

[01:17:35] with James Cameron?

[01:17:36] Yes it is.

[01:17:37] Poor guy.

[01:17:38] I also just forgot how dream heavy

[01:17:40] both these movies are.

[01:17:41] Well, her big dream.

[01:17:43] Yeah, the nuclear.

[01:17:44] The nuke dream, that's so cool.

[01:17:45] Yeah, yeah.

[01:17:46] But you get like all of that and you see,

[01:17:49] it's so good.

[01:17:50] I mean, and here's the thing, okay?

[01:17:52] In terms of like shit matters in James Cameron movies,

[01:17:55] like things pay off.

[01:17:57] He also just understands cinematic language so much,

[01:18:00] but also the language of storytelling

[01:18:02] and expectations

[01:18:04] and how people process things

[01:18:05] when they're watching them.

[01:18:06] And you look at like,

[01:18:08] okay, he's gonna have the creepy guard

[01:18:10] who already has been proven to be a piece of shit.

[01:18:13] Lick her face because he thinks she's catatonic

[01:18:15] and that's how much of a creep he is.

[01:18:17] And that's because he wants to have a scene

[01:18:20] where the two terminators come in

[01:18:22] and they have to knock guys down

[01:18:23] and you don't feel bad for the guys.

[01:18:25] Yes, that is true.

[01:18:27] Because we've already had the thing in the parking lot

[01:18:28] where the two guys are like trying to break up the fight

[01:18:31] and you feel bad for those guys.

[01:18:32] And that works in the movie.

[01:18:33] I don't feel bad for them.

[01:18:35] Fuck those guys.

[01:18:36] They didn't do anything wrong.

[01:18:37] All lives matter.

[01:18:38] No.

[01:18:39] Oh God.

[01:18:40] That's not funny.

[01:18:41] That was like a double reverse joke.

[01:18:43] That was like a double reverse joke.

[01:18:45] You receive no comedy point.

[01:18:46] That's fine.

[01:18:47] All right, let's pick up like that didn't happen.

[01:18:49] But Ben, can you copy, paste that

[01:18:51] and play it two times in a row?

[01:18:53] Sure, no problem.

[01:18:53] Thank you.

[01:18:54] And we're back.

[01:18:56] I just think about always as the counterpoint.

[01:18:58] The- Ben, don't do it.

[01:19:00] The fucking thing with the ass- Ben do it.

[01:19:02] The thing with the assistant,

[01:19:03] hashtag Ben lives matter.

[01:19:05] The thing-

[01:19:05] Oh, oh.

[01:19:06] Play that twice.

[01:19:07] The thing with the assistant-

[01:19:09] And we're back.

[01:19:10] How are your father's finances?

[01:19:11] Great.

[01:19:11] They've leveled out after I gave him a major loan.

[01:19:15] The thing-

[01:19:16] Ben, keep that in.

[01:19:16] Yeah.

[01:19:17] Ben, play it three times.

[01:19:18] Okay.

[01:19:19] Play it again, Sam.

[01:19:20] Play it again, Ben.

[01:19:21] All right.

[01:19:22] Okay.

[01:19:23] And we're back.

[01:19:23] The thing-

[01:19:24] The thing in Jurassic World with the fucking assistant.

[01:19:28] Right?

[01:19:29] Oh God.

[01:19:29] Where she's like made a rag doll of

[01:19:31] with the fucking-

[01:19:32] Yeah, yeah.

[01:19:33] Paradactyl or a pterodactyl

[01:19:34] or a pterodactyl Jesus Christ.

[01:19:36] Pterodactyl and everything.

[01:19:37] Turric the first flight.

[01:19:38] Turric the first flight.

[01:19:40] Never forget.

[01:19:41] I'm so loopy.

[01:19:42] The thing-

[01:19:45] When Colin at Trevor O had to defend that

[01:19:48] in interviews people were like,

[01:19:49] why did he fucking-

[01:19:51] Why did she get a viscerate that hard?

[01:19:52] He was like, well, I like playing with the expectations

[01:19:54] because we're used to like if there's a bad guy

[01:19:56] he's gonna get it really bad

[01:19:57] and if someone knew a sin.

[01:19:58] Okay, sure, Colin.

[01:19:59] Okay.

[01:20:00] You know, I get the trope you're talking about.

[01:20:03] But if you're making a movie

[01:20:04] that's painting in such broad strokes-

[01:20:05] Yeah, it's a fucking trope movie.

[01:20:06] It's not some person movie.

[01:20:08] It's called Jurassic World.

[01:20:10] The messaging you're giving us is

[01:20:11] she's a shitty person, she deserves to die.

[01:20:14] If you didn't think she was bad-

[01:20:15] It's a hardwood movie.

[01:20:16] I'm telling you that she was bad.

[01:20:17] Like if you wanna fuck with the thing

[01:20:19] then set the whole movie in the control room.

[01:20:20] We never see a dinosaur.

[01:20:22] They're just flashing dots on a screen.

[01:20:24] That would be a Jurassic Park movie.

[01:20:26] Jake Johnson and Laura Lapkus, Lauren Rapkus freaking out.

[01:20:30] And Vincent Duffere comes in and he's like,

[01:20:32] what's going on in here?

[01:20:32] And then he leaves.

[01:20:33] That is the only moment I like in that film

[01:20:35] which has been confirmed was

[01:20:37] an improvisation by Jake Johnson.

[01:20:39] It was written differently.

[01:20:40] Is the scene where he has the romantic speech

[01:20:42] to learn Lapkus and tries to kiss her?

[01:20:44] That's the only interesting concept in that movie is,

[01:20:46] oh, what if everyone in this situation

[01:20:48] thinks they're the lead of a Jurassic Park movie?

[01:20:50] Sure, right, right, right.

[01:20:51] You know, like the guy in the tech room

[01:20:52] thinks that he's Alan Grant.

[01:20:54] Vincent Duffere thinks that he's Alan Grant.

[01:20:56] Right.

[01:20:57] Yeah.

[01:20:58] Vincent Duffere doesn't ever-

[01:20:58] Yeah.

[01:20:59] But I just look like he just understands like

[01:21:02] this film it's a theme park, right?

[01:21:04] It's a roller coaster ride.

[01:21:05] There are dips and turns

[01:21:06] but he wants you to know like,

[01:21:07] I know what I'm doing.

[01:21:10] I'm not gonna lead you astray.

[01:21:11] Follow the straight line.

[01:21:12] Yeah.

[01:21:13] You know?

[01:21:14] But you also want Sarah to really whack that guy

[01:21:15] with a knife stick and it just like two pops out.

[01:21:17] But that's the thing,

[01:21:18] because he's like, I'm gonna make it clear

[01:21:21] that this guy deserves what he's got.

[01:21:21] No, I know, I get what you're saying.

[01:21:23] All right.

[01:21:24] We're like in like the first 20 minutes of the movie.

[01:21:25] We've been talking for an hour and a half.

[01:21:27] This happens an hour.

[01:21:27] That's the thing, it does, yeah.

[01:21:29] Like we said, it's deliberate.

[01:21:30] Yeah.

[01:21:31] It's very deliberate.

[01:21:32] And well, it's just so well-paced.

[01:21:34] It's very well-paced.

[01:21:34] I love her move of taking like the Drano

[01:21:38] out in the syringe and then sticking it in his neck

[01:21:42] and then walking.

[01:21:43] It makes her walking him feel much more precarious

[01:21:46] because she's like,

[01:21:46] I don't wanna see that thing like snap off in his neck.

[01:21:48] I don't like-

[01:21:49] It's rules.

[01:21:50] You also understand.

[01:21:51] It's one of those things where like,

[01:21:51] well what would happen if she plunged him?

[01:21:54] Sure.

[01:21:55] Right, yeah exactly.

[01:21:56] What would he die immediately?

[01:21:57] Yeah, would he like start vomiting?

[01:21:58] Would he die immediately?

[01:21:59] Like what?

[01:22:00] Like it just, oh it's so good.

[01:22:01] And then in her big escape scene

[01:22:03] which she's been planning for forever, right?

[01:22:05] And we're really into it.

[01:22:07] What I love is she is so on

[01:22:09] and then she just runs into Arnold Schwarzenegger

[01:22:11] and she just collapses on the floor basically.

[01:22:13] It starts running-

[01:22:14] It's the best.

[01:22:15] And he starts running back into the asylum.

[01:22:18] She's like sliding.

[01:22:19] She's like, you know what you were right at.

[01:22:21] I'm crazy, let me get back in.

[01:22:22] She has like a Bugs Bunny like nevermind.

[01:22:24] And then the movie deploys its quote unquote twist

[01:22:28] which we know I guess-

[01:22:29] Come with me if you want the loop.

[01:22:30] And then he's like the thing where he just,

[01:22:33] I mean, I guess he shoots him up

[01:22:34] but the shot where he shoots him

[01:22:36] in the elevator and the head splits open.

[01:22:39] I used to like watch that frame by frame

[01:22:41] because it was like, I couldn't even believe it

[01:22:43] when I was a kid.

[01:22:44] And there is that great thing where the shot

[01:22:46] when they cut to the back of his head-

[01:22:47] You can see it's about to pop up.

[01:22:49] It's not a properly formed head.

[01:22:50] You know, it's not a real person's head.

[01:22:53] They don't shoot it.

[01:22:54] It's movie magic.

[01:22:55] I will say for a movie that was made 25 years ago

[01:22:57] the effects in this movie look fucking great.

[01:23:00] Well yeah, and so much of that has to do with

[01:23:02] how well thought out everything yet.

[01:23:05] Yeah, I mean like here's, look, you know

[01:23:08] this was the most expensive movie ever made at the time.

[01:23:10] I just crazed your hand accidentally

[01:23:11] but we're also friends and we can do that.

[01:23:12] The film cost 102-

[01:23:16] Dollars?

[01:23:17] Mill.

[01:23:18] Oh yeah.

[01:23:19] Millions.

[01:23:20] You were a little off on that one.

[01:23:22] 3.5 times the cost of the average film

[01:23:24] at the time says Wikipedia.

[01:23:25] And there was even a thing where like,

[01:23:27] you know it was gonna be like 75

[01:23:29] and then they were like 88

[01:23:30] and it kept on creeping up

[01:23:31] and everyone was like freaking out about it.

[01:23:33] Like that's, you can't make a movie for that much money.

[01:23:35] But also, especially an R rated movie,

[01:23:37] a sequel to a weird like quite popular

[01:23:41] but not blockbuster film.

[01:23:43] Oh yeah.

[01:23:44] I mean it is blocked, but you know what I mean.

[01:23:44] And then you cut to 16 years later

[01:23:46] and how do you know cost 120 million dollars?

[01:23:48] Well look, how do you know

[01:23:49] it's always gonna be a weird footnote

[01:23:50] in everything but yes.

[01:23:51] Well how do you know that?

[01:23:53] But also every dollar of that's on this.

[01:23:55] David's really angry.

[01:23:57] I was like so happy until this moment.

[01:23:59] Every dollar of that is on the screen.

[01:24:01] All those stunts are real.

[01:24:03] The helicopter, even the helicopter under the bridge.

[01:24:06] Guys according to Wikipedia

[01:24:08] there was an 11 million dollar Gulfstream jet

[01:24:10] that was given to Arnold Schwarzenegger

[01:24:11] and that is not on the screen.

[01:24:13] No it's not.

[01:24:14] But that's implied in his performance

[01:24:15] that he's relaxed.

[01:24:16] He's relaxed.

[01:24:16] He's relaxed.

[01:24:17] He can go anywhere in his jet.

[01:24:19] You're right, I take it back.

[01:24:19] Every night he was able to take the jet back home

[01:24:21] from sets and self reported.

[01:24:22] He's self reported with the Gulfstream jet.

[01:24:25] What I was gonna say is what I love

[01:24:28] about this movie is most expensive movie ever made

[01:24:30] like groundbreaking use of CGI.

[01:24:32] And this is the first time out of three

[01:24:35] that he's gonna pull the trick

[01:24:36] of making the most expensive movie ever made.

[01:24:38] Yes, he does it again with.

[01:24:41] They've never disclosed the Avatar budget

[01:24:43] but there's no way it wasn't the most expensive movie ever made.

[01:24:44] True Lies was also the most expensive movie ever made.

[01:24:45] Oh right and True Lies I keep forgetting

[01:24:47] about True Lies sorry True Lies.

[01:24:48] So four times.

[01:24:49] Four times he made it.

[01:24:50] True Lies Titanic and Avatar

[01:24:52] were all the most expensive movies ever made.

[01:24:53] Every time he makes a movie

[01:24:54] he makes the most expensive movie ever made.

[01:24:56] It's ever made.

[01:24:58] All the prosthetic stuff is amazing.

[01:25:00] The amortaric stuff and the makeup effects

[01:25:01] and whatever but it's like the most effective

[01:25:04] Team 1000 thing for me and it's the simplest.

[01:25:07] And it's like fucking like you could do it

[01:25:08] in a student film is the splatters on his shirt

[01:25:13] when Arnold shoots him.

[01:25:14] And that's literally just like, you know, he's walking.

[01:25:17] They cut to Arnold shooting the gun

[01:25:19] and the next cut he's got the thing on him.

[01:25:21] It's not animated, it's not moving.

[01:25:23] They're just in between takes like putting

[01:25:25] taping a thing to his chest.

[01:25:26] And you could see behind the screen

[01:25:28] behind the scenes shots of him wearing that jacket.

[01:25:30] And you're like, oh, that looks shitty.

[01:25:32] Yeah.

[01:25:33] When you see it, but in the movie it looks great.

[01:25:34] He knows like what's the angle?

[01:25:36] What's the lighting?

[01:25:37] How quickly is it on screen?

[01:25:38] You know, like that thing.

[01:25:39] It's like, it's a quick flash.

[01:25:40] All you just need to see is like the splash.

[01:25:43] Oh, this movie rolls.

[01:25:44] So then everyone links up.

[01:25:46] Yeah.

[01:25:47] Let's just move the pot long a little bit.

[01:25:49] And they go to Mexico.

[01:25:50] Then they go to Mexico.

[01:25:51] Well there's the chase scene

[01:25:52] and then they go to Mexico.

[01:25:52] Chase scene's very cool where,

[01:25:53] no, the chase scene is really the idea

[01:25:56] that Robert Patrick looks like he's running faster

[01:25:58] than he is.

[01:25:59] That's so funny.

[01:26:00] It is very cool.

[01:26:00] Yeah, the way he just like picks up speed

[01:26:03] even though like of course he can't like in real, it works.

[01:26:06] It also brings up an argument that I've had

[01:26:07] with a lot of people and this can also be applied

[01:26:10] to later in the, when he gets shattered

[01:26:13] of the idea behind the metal man.

[01:26:16] And if, does he need all of his metal all the time?

[01:26:20] Like remember when he has that little bit

[01:26:22] that gets absorbed into his face?

[01:26:23] Like, could he be okay without that?

[01:26:26] What if John Connor had kept that?

[01:26:29] Is Robert Patrick a little smaller?

[01:26:32] Because you'd have to put it in a jar.

[01:26:34] If you put it in a jar.

[01:26:35] But he'd probably be able to get out.

[01:26:36] It would just turn itself into like a little spike.

[01:26:39] It would turn into a little mini.

[01:26:41] Little mini Robert Patrick.

[01:26:42] No the real question is if a piece of Robert Patrick

[01:26:45] breaks off does that piece have its own consciousness?

[01:26:48] That's, I mean yes.

[01:26:49] Okay here's what I-

[01:26:50] But I think no.

[01:26:51] I think you need all the code together

[01:26:52] and that's why it has to join back together.

[01:26:54] And that's yeah.

[01:26:55] There is that great scene where like,

[01:26:57] John is asking him all the questions about like

[01:26:59] why wouldn't he turn into a bomb?

[01:27:01] Can't be complex machinery.

[01:27:03] It's like what about weapons?

[01:27:04] And it's like spiky things.

[01:27:05] And it's like okay this is getting out

[01:27:07] all the rules of the character,

[01:27:08] the things that the audience are wondering right now.

[01:27:11] But he also still makes a character development

[01:27:13] because it's like, oh he's a 12 year old boy.

[01:27:15] Of course like he's gonna ask

[01:27:16] all these weird silly questions.

[01:27:17] Yeah it works.

[01:27:18] It works.

[01:27:19] And I love that he's like,

[01:27:20] Skynet begins to learn exponentially.

[01:27:22] You know he has all,

[01:27:23] it's all like he's like a Wikipedia entry.

[01:27:25] Just he just shoots it out of his brain.

[01:27:27] I was gonna say with the exception of the tech

[01:27:30] just because I took it so seriously

[01:27:32] didn't wanna fuck around at all.

[01:27:33] Anytime I have to run on screen

[01:27:35] and I'm shooting something right now

[01:27:36] as we're recording at this very moment.

[01:27:40] But where I've had to do some running scenes

[01:27:42] I always do the T1000 run.

[01:27:44] I always do the fucking black hands.

[01:27:46] I think it's so fucking funny.

[01:27:48] And it also does make you look faster.

[01:27:50] Yeah it does because it looks streamlined.

[01:27:52] Right.

[01:27:52] A, it makes me look like I'm better at running than I am

[01:27:54] and B, I just always think it's the funniest thing to do

[01:27:57] to run like you're the T1000.

[01:27:58] But no, there's also,

[01:27:59] there's the scene where they,

[01:28:01] where Linda Hamilton chooses not to destroy him

[01:28:03] where they take the chip out of his brain

[01:28:05] Oh sure.

[01:28:06] To upgrade him.

[01:28:07] Which is good.

[01:28:08] It just shows that Linda Hamilton's on board

[01:28:09] and then they go to Mexico.

[01:28:10] And this is the moment where

[01:28:12] Linda Hamilton's twin comes into play

[01:28:14] because the way they were able to do that scene

[01:28:17] this is like fucking the best movie shit ever.

[01:28:20] So the way that set was set up, right?

[01:28:23] You have a fake dummy of Arnold Schwarzenegger's head

[01:28:27] and shoulders like a bust of him

[01:28:30] that she's able to reach into and pull stuff out of.

[01:28:34] Standing next to that doing the work

[01:28:38] is Linda Hamilton's sister, her twin sister.

[01:28:42] And then the mirror is actually an open frame

[01:28:45] on the other side of that

[01:28:46] is the real Arnold Schwarzenegger

[01:28:48] and the real Linda Hamilton mirroring.

[01:28:50] That's pretty cool.

[01:28:51] That's amazing.

[01:28:52] Fucking amazing.

[01:28:53] And that's a thing for how much money it costs.

[01:28:54] There's a lot of just smart like,

[01:28:55] oh we can just put like a-

[01:28:56] Yeah sure.

[01:28:57] It is funny anytime.

[01:28:58] She's got a twin, it's a mirror.

[01:28:59] Yeah they're like, oh there's another one of her.

[01:29:00] Great, that'll save some money.

[01:29:01] I just love that like he spends more money

[01:29:04] than anyone else but also if he can do something simply

[01:29:07] that was like the big thing.

[01:29:08] It's hard to know with him.

[01:29:09] Like yeah, you said the money,

[01:29:11] as you say the money is all on screen.

[01:29:13] I can't deny that.

[01:29:13] In Avatar there's that one moment

[01:29:15] when Jake Sully is like wearing shorts

[01:29:18] and he gets in the wheelchair

[01:29:19] and he's got-

[01:29:20] He's got the weird crippled feet.

[01:29:21] Right, and they're like sort of malnourished

[01:29:23] like no muscles or whatever

[01:29:25] and everyone was like, oh that's really unsettling.

[01:29:27] The CGI on that's amazing

[01:29:28] and he's like, no we put fucking Sam Worthington

[01:29:32] in a chair that was cut out

[01:29:33] and his legs were hidden underneath

[01:29:34] and we had rubbered legs in front of them.

[01:29:36] Yeah, like he was literally doing

[01:29:37] like a fucking Wienerville trick.

[01:29:38] You know?

[01:29:40] Yeah it's Wienerville trick.

[01:29:41] Well he was a consultant on Wienerville.

[01:29:43] Yeah, well Cameron was gonna do Wienerville at first

[01:29:46] and then he left to do True Lies and Mark Wiener took over.

[01:29:49] But I think in the Mexico scenes

[01:29:52] this is where I had this thought of

[01:29:54] I think you get a lot of character development.

[01:29:57] It's like a little bit of like a slow down.

[01:29:59] Let's like develop some characters

[01:30:03] especially with Schwarzenegger and John Connor.

[01:30:06] That's where like the Ocelotista baby stuff comes in.

[01:30:09] The smile scene which is my favorite fucking scene

[01:30:11] in the movie.

[01:30:12] Him attempting to smile is so funny.

[01:30:14] I think I saved a picture here.

[01:30:15] It's so funny.

[01:30:16] It's great work from Arnie.

[01:30:18] I was like, I think that if Arnold did this performance today

[01:30:22] he'd have a shot at an Oscar nomination.

[01:30:24] Yeah. Maybe.

[01:30:25] Also fucking Linda Hamilton should have been the winner.

[01:30:27] Linda Hamilton would.

[01:30:28] Okay. I don't know that Arnie would.

[01:30:29] I think they just can't take that kind of thing.

[01:30:31] You guys, cause I looked this up

[01:30:33] cause I figured he would be best supporting.

[01:30:36] Arnold? Arnie? No.

[01:30:37] What are you crazy?

[01:30:38] You think he'd be lead?

[01:30:39] He was so big at the time

[01:30:40] there was no way they would make him support him.

[01:30:41] Wait a second.

[01:30:42] There's no question he wouldn't be lead.

[01:30:43] Are you fucking crazy?

[01:30:44] I don't know.

[01:30:45] Who is he to lead?

[01:30:46] Hey, hey, Sam was our guest.

[01:30:47] Jesus Christ, he made it in the most screen time

[01:30:48] in the movie.

[01:30:49] Sam was our guest.

[01:30:50] Sorry, I got very mad.

[01:30:51] I get very mad about categories.

[01:30:52] Well I think maybe he'd be lead.

[01:30:54] He'd definitely be lead.

[01:30:55] See, I think they would have done a tricky thing

[01:30:56] in Made Linda Hamilton support act.

[01:30:58] No, they campaigned her actively for lead.

[01:31:00] They really tried to get her nomination.

[01:31:01] She's very much a lead actor.

[01:31:02] Do you know who the other?

[01:31:03] I thought they would have tricked it.

[01:31:04] I wrote this down.

[01:31:05] Okay.

[01:31:06] Do you know who the other lead actors

[01:31:07] were who were nominated that year?

[01:31:08] In 1991?

[01:31:11] Yeah, 64th Oscars, 92.

[01:31:12] Anthony Hopkins?

[01:31:13] That he won for Zanzibar.

[01:31:15] Right.

[01:31:16] For like 18 minutes of screen time.

[01:31:18] Yeah, which is insane.

[01:31:19] Totally deserved.

[01:31:19] Insane, but also a great performance.

[01:31:21] No, it's lead performance and it's totally deserved.

[01:31:23] There's no question.

[01:31:24] He is the lead of the movie.

[01:31:25] That movie's a great movie.

[01:31:26] Yeah, you watch it and the math doesn't check out.

[01:31:28] Like you can stop watching and still like,

[01:31:29] no, but he's in all of this.

[01:31:30] Exactly.

[01:31:31] It feels like he's in every scene.

[01:31:32] He's not, it's not a supporting performance.

[01:31:34] It just isn't.

[01:31:35] You can be timing it and be like,

[01:31:36] okay, 1754 and then the second the movie ends,

[01:31:38] it goes up to an hour and 20 minutes.

[01:31:40] Yeah.

[01:31:41] Yeah.

[01:31:42] Love him in that movie.

[01:31:43] Okay, 1992.

[01:31:45] These are hard.

[01:31:46] I would say these are kinda hard.

[01:31:47] Okay.

[01:31:49] Is, geez, do you have any guesses, David?

[01:31:52] Oh, sorry, I wasn't really thinking about it.

[01:31:53] 92 best actor.

[01:31:56] Is that JFK year?

[01:31:58] Yes.

[01:31:59] So Costner's not nominated?

[01:32:00] No, he's not nominated.

[01:32:01] He even made me Joneses for supporting.

[01:32:02] Right.

[01:32:04] Weird.

[01:32:05] I just forget that he wasn't nominated.

[01:32:06] Yeah.

[01:32:07] Who were the other guys?

[01:32:08] I just didn't have a, no.

[01:32:11] Okay, oh, Jesus.

[01:32:12] It's the Bugsie year, right?

[01:32:13] Warren Beatty for Bugsie.

[01:32:14] It's a deniro for Cape Fear.

[01:32:17] Sorry, I'm just kicking into trivia mode right now.

[01:32:19] You were looking up the picture

[01:32:20] and now you're immediately recalling the other.

[01:32:22] I can't find the picture either.

[01:32:23] It's really annoying.

[01:32:24] Okay.

[01:32:26] Nick Nolte, Prince of Tides

[01:32:27] and Robin Williams for Pischer Game.

[01:32:29] Stone Cold.

[01:32:30] We got Stone Cold.

[01:32:31] Stone Cold.

[01:32:33] Which like, I think Schwarzenegger.

[01:32:34] Sorry, that was like, me sure.

[01:32:35] We used to call David Stone Cold, Samson.

[01:32:36] I'm not saying that,

[01:32:37] you know, I haven't seen Bugsie.

[01:32:39] Yeah.

[01:32:40] I'm not saying that.

[01:32:41] I didn't find the picture

[01:32:43] but I did find my favorite poster of the year,

[01:32:46] which I say,

[01:32:47] Halloween.

[01:32:48] It's Tyler Perry's boo of my day.

[01:32:51] It's so good.

[01:32:52] It's so good.

[01:32:53] Halloween.

[01:32:56] Sorry, carry on.

[01:32:57] My point is, good afternoon.

[01:32:58] So you think, where would you put Arnie?

[01:33:00] I would put, I would maybe, I mean like, I didn't,

[01:33:03] I don't love.

[01:33:04] You're gonna fuck over Nolte?

[01:33:04] I don't love Robin Williams and Pischer Game.

[01:33:06] I like that performance.

[01:33:07] Nolte's really good in Prince of Tyre.

[01:33:09] He is.

[01:33:10] He's the best thing in a really shape.

[01:33:11] I've never seen Bugsie so I can't speak to Warren Beatty.

[01:33:13] Beatty's good in Bugsie.

[01:33:15] De Niro's good.

[01:33:15] I might lose Beatty.

[01:33:17] De Niro's good.

[01:33:18] De Niro's good in Cape Fear and it's De Niro.

[01:33:20] So it's, no, he's, he's, he's definitely good.

[01:33:21] I would have lost Beatty.

[01:33:22] I would have lost Beatty

[01:33:23] and then best actress for 1992.

[01:33:25] I don't look that up.

[01:33:26] Jody Foster wins.

[01:33:28] Gina Davis for Thingy Majig, Thelma,

[01:33:31] you know, Gina and Susan.

[01:33:32] Okay, and it's so serene.

[01:33:32] And they're gonna be in there.

[01:33:34] Right.

[01:33:35] Who are the other two that we can vote?

[01:33:36] Well, I'm gonna have to look at it.

[01:33:38] Okay.

[01:33:39] You've got Laura Dernan in Rambling Rose,

[01:33:41] which is a very well deserved nomination

[01:33:44] for like an up and coming.

[01:33:45] Yeah.

[01:33:46] But I mean, like, I think if Schwarzenegger

[01:33:49] was ever gonna have a performance

[01:33:50] that could have got nominated,

[01:33:51] it was this one this year.

[01:33:52] Well, this is on Quest Play's best performance.

[01:33:53] Yes.

[01:33:54] It's amazing.

[01:33:55] It's the movie that weaponizes all of his strengths

[01:33:56] and weaknesses and makes them all intentional.

[01:33:58] If nominee is Bette Midler and For The Boys.

[01:34:00] Oh, get that the fuck out of here.

[01:34:01] I know.

[01:34:02] I love you, I love you.

[01:34:04] I love Bette Midler.

[01:34:05] But I mean, she'd already been nominated for the Rose.

[01:34:07] Like, I think I'm pretty sure she was.

[01:34:09] Like, I don't think you really...

[01:34:10] Yeah, she was nominated for the Rose.

[01:34:11] I don't think you need to give her.

[01:34:12] No, we can get that the fuck out of there.

[01:34:14] Look, Divine Miss M, we appreciate all you've given us

[01:34:19] over the years.

[01:34:20] Linda's great.

[01:34:21] Yeah.

[01:34:22] And his Oscar clip should have been

[01:34:24] John Connor asked him to smile.

[01:34:29] Yeah, T2, I mean it was nominated for six Oscars

[01:34:31] and won four.

[01:34:33] But all visual stuff, right?

[01:34:34] Visual sound.

[01:34:35] Symmetography, editing.

[01:34:36] It didn't win cinematography.

[01:34:37] Right, but it got nominated for those two.

[01:34:39] So those are like big boy categories.

[01:34:40] Yeah.

[01:34:42] But yeah, it should have been in there.

[01:34:44] That was especially...

[01:34:45] Back in the day they really segregated out

[01:34:47] like this sort of big sci-fi movie.

[01:34:49] That's why I think today he would have had a better film.

[01:34:51] Yeah.

[01:34:52] He might have.

[01:34:53] But that is why the aliens...

[01:34:54] They didn't take him seriously.

[01:34:55] Best actress nomination is so like...

[01:34:57] Yeah, it's awesome.

[01:34:58] It's amazing.

[01:34:59] It just doesn't make sense that they'd be cool enough

[01:35:00] to do that in that moment.

[01:35:02] Every once in a while they'll have a really cool nomination.

[01:35:04] But you also go, well they'll never win.

[01:35:06] Yeah.

[01:35:07] The nomination's great, but it's like they will never

[01:35:10] have the balls to give the Oscar to someone

[01:35:12] like Melissa McCarthy for Pridesmaids.

[01:35:14] Right.

[01:35:14] Well and here's like...

[01:35:16] This is another one I think about all the time.

[01:35:17] At the time, Johnny Depp being nominated

[01:35:20] for the first part of the Caribbean was so fucking cool.

[01:35:22] Yeah.

[01:35:23] And now it feels annoying because he's done it seven more

[01:35:25] times to the managing result.

[01:35:26] You know?

[01:35:27] Like...

[01:35:27] But at the time it was like...

[01:35:29] No, he should have won that.

[01:35:29] That's an amazing performance.

[01:35:31] I feel like he almost got close.

[01:35:32] He won the Saga War.

[01:35:33] Who won the Bill Murray was.

[01:35:35] It was the Pen Bill Murray split.

[01:35:36] Oh, he won.

[01:35:37] And he was sort of the outside.

[01:35:38] But Depp won best actor at SAG.

[01:35:41] Well, Shumpen won for...

[01:35:42] You sure about that?

[01:35:43] Yes, I guarantee you 100%.

[01:35:45] You might be right.

[01:35:46] I'm looking at it up.

[01:35:48] There was this thing where Pen and Murray

[01:35:50] were splitting each other so much

[01:35:51] that it was like Depp could maybe sneak in.

[01:35:54] Hmm.

[01:35:55] Yeah, he won.

[01:35:56] Yeah.

[01:35:56] For him.

[01:35:57] He should have won that year even though now

[01:35:59] it seems like he's maybe a terrible person

[01:36:01] and that sucks or something.

[01:36:02] I don't know.

[01:36:03] It's bad.

[01:36:04] Well, yeah, it's very hard to watch those

[01:36:05] performances now knowing Depp.

[01:36:06] Yeah, knowing what we know which is that...

[01:36:08] I'm talking about Griffin Newman.

[01:36:09] Yeah.

[01:36:10] Thank you.

[01:36:11] Five comedy points.

[01:36:11] No.

[01:36:12] It's difficult to watch, you know,

[01:36:15] those performances now knowing

[01:36:17] as we do present day that, you know,

[01:36:20] he of course would go on to make

[01:36:21] Alice through the looking glass.

[01:36:23] But...

[01:36:24] I think I made that joke before on this podcast.

[01:36:28] Oh boy.

[01:36:29] To go back to Schwarzenegger's performance.

[01:36:32] The other great moment he has, I think,

[01:36:34] is towards the end when they're in the steel mill.

[01:36:36] Trying to have some piece of shit.

[01:36:37] Yeah.

[01:36:37] Yeah.

[01:36:38] Yeah.

[01:36:39] Yes.

[01:36:39] Yeah.

[01:36:39] Yeah.

[01:36:40] Five truth points.

[01:36:41] Yeah.

[01:36:43] He's in the steel mill

[01:36:44] and he's trying to tell John to run away.

[01:36:47] And throughout the movie he has always spoken...

[01:36:49] He's still spoken monotone

[01:36:51] but he's like learned some,

[01:36:53] you know, he's been a little smart alecky.

[01:36:55] When he says,

[01:36:56] John, you've got to go now.

[01:36:57] He says it with a force that hasn't happened yet.

[01:37:00] Yeah.

[01:37:01] Like that we haven't seen that character do.

[01:37:03] I agree.

[01:37:04] And an emphasis in speaking, you know?

[01:37:07] Well, that's...

[01:37:07] Look, I mean this film works so well

[01:37:10] around the confines of what he can do

[01:37:12] because it's like the most human he can be

[01:37:15] is robot who's just started to become human.

[01:37:17] Yeah.

[01:37:17] The most human he can be is kind of robot

[01:37:19] who's like maybe a little John Connery.

[01:37:21] Right.

[01:37:21] Like you know, got a little John Connery in him.

[01:37:22] Yeah.

[01:37:23] He gets that tood.

[01:37:24] That rude tood.

[01:37:25] A little bit of a rude tood.

[01:37:26] A scape plan which is by and large

[01:37:28] a pretty uninteresting movie.

[01:37:29] Sure.

[01:37:30] Has this scene in it...

[01:37:31] With John Conner?

[01:37:32] With John Conner

[01:37:33] where Schwarzenegger needs to distract a guard.

[01:37:36] So he starts speaking in his native language

[01:37:39] pretending to have a mental breakdown.

[01:37:40] It's the only good scene in the movie.

[01:37:41] He's amazing in it.

[01:37:42] And you go like, wait a second.

[01:37:44] We always make fun of the fact that he's wooden

[01:37:45] and he uses it to his advantage.

[01:37:46] Right, but now you're seeing him in his natural language.

[01:37:48] He gives us great naturalistic performance

[01:37:50] in this one scene of like a man fighting mania

[01:37:52] and you're like,

[01:37:53] oh, he just never got over the language barrier.

[01:37:55] Like it's very hard to act in another language.

[01:37:57] Yeah, right.

[01:37:58] He never feels like a human being.

[01:38:00] He always feels like a weird heightened thing.

[01:38:02] Yes.

[01:38:03] I mean, it doesn't help that he also made a ton of movies

[01:38:05] where he is a weird heightened thing in the movie.

[01:38:07] Right.

[01:38:08] And he made a lot of really bad career decisions.

[01:38:09] 100%.

[01:38:10] And then he was the governor of California

[01:38:12] which was a terrible career decision.

[01:38:13] It really hurt his movie career.

[01:38:15] It really fucked with it.

[01:38:16] You know, he didn't make a lot of movies.