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[00:00:34] We are two friends who host a podcast together

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[00:00:39] And sometimes one of the friends is late because of the subway

[00:00:43] And so we get through the introduction really quickly

[00:00:45] Yeah, yeah

[00:00:46] Also let's put some blame on my landlord

[00:00:48] Let's not just the subway

[00:00:49] Subway's landlords, New York City guys

[00:00:51] New York City problems

[00:00:53] Three things delayed me today

[00:00:55] The subway, my landlord

[00:00:58] And a nice street hot dog

[00:01:00] You know what I'm saying

[00:01:01] Did you get a street hot dog?

[00:01:02] No, I was just trying to think of a third New York thing

[00:01:04] I don't know

[00:01:05] Sure

[00:01:06] And Slimer driving my cat

[00:01:07] There we go

[00:01:08] That's why we brought this man in on the show today

[00:01:10] This is the 80s New York guys, hi, it's Jake and Amir

[00:01:13] It's Jake and Amir

[00:01:16] This is Blank Check

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[00:01:29] Oh good, this is a place on earth more awesome than anywhere in space

[00:01:32] So you know deep below the blue surface there lies a place no one's ever dreamed of

[00:01:35] No he was looking for the tag lines first

[00:01:37] I just found a couple more

[00:01:38] That's a really good one

[00:01:39] And there's also believe your eyes

[00:01:41] I just wanted to throw that out

[00:01:42] Jesus, Craig, there are a lot

[00:01:43] Believe a lot

[00:01:44] Everyone believes their eyes in this movie

[00:01:46] Yeah, there's no disbelief

[00:01:48] People who don't believe are the people who haven't seen it

[00:01:50] Once they see it they're like yeah, yeah, I know you were right

[00:01:52] Yeah, for sure

[00:01:53] Yeah, inarguably those are netties

[00:01:55] What's the tag line you can you read your one that you love

[00:01:59] He made your heart pound with the Terminator

[00:02:01] Then he stopped it with aliens

[00:02:03] And then now James Cameron presents the summer's most original adventure

[00:02:07] The Abyss

[00:02:08] So

[00:02:09] He didn't stop our heart with aliens

[00:02:11] He made it pound with aliens

[00:02:12] And with the Terminator

[00:02:13] My heart grew when when fucking Ripley takes Newton her arms

[00:02:16] My heart grew Grinch style, you know

[00:02:18] I think that movie is heartwarming

[00:02:19] Bishop, not bad

[00:02:21] For a rub it

[00:02:22] All good

[00:02:23] Yeah

[00:02:24] We're referencing last week's episode

[00:02:25] Isn't this a book written by his name is in John Mark Carr

[00:02:29] You mean Orson Scott Carr?

[00:02:31] He wrote a novelization

[00:02:32] Whoever killed John Benny Ramsey didn't write the Abyss

[00:02:34] But John Mark Carr

[00:02:35] We don't know who killed Robert

[00:02:37] That's true

[00:02:38] Orson Scott Carr

[00:02:39] Who is an absolute lunatic

[00:02:42] Yeah, he's a famed homophobe

[00:02:43] And the author of Ender's Game

[00:02:45] Whoa

[00:02:46] Which is a great book

[00:02:47] Harrison Ford's Ender's Game

[00:02:48] Yes

[00:02:49] Exactly

[00:02:50] So Hailey Steinfeld's Ender's Game

[00:02:52] Yeah

[00:02:53] Yep, 100%

[00:02:55] I saw it

[00:02:56] Hailey Joe Steinfeld, wasn't that?

[00:02:57] Yes, Hailey Joe Steinfeld

[00:02:59] I swang down Bible

[00:03:01] I can't even

[00:03:03] He's crazy

[00:03:05] He's crazy in like eight different ways

[00:03:07] Right Orson Scott Carr

[00:03:08] Yeah, a bunch of ways

[00:03:10] He's a Mormon

[00:03:11] He hates the gays very actively

[00:03:12] It's not just like, well, I'm not crazy about him

[00:03:13] He goes out of his way to let everyone know

[00:03:15] But isn't he also thinks we should all live on an island in the moon

[00:03:18] I feel like he's one of those guys who throws you a curveball

[00:03:22] Yeah

[00:03:23] Along with the traditional shit

[00:03:24] We're getting ahead of ourselves here

[00:03:26] This is a podcast called Blank Check

[00:03:28] We go through filmographies and directors who have big success early on

[00:03:30] They get a series of blank checks to make their own crazy projects

[00:03:32] Sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce

[00:03:34] You've gone down, you're an actor

[00:03:36] You can learn lines, it's great

[00:03:38] I mean, I could never do that

[00:03:39] When you just did

[00:03:40] 75 episodes and I got it

[00:03:42] That's the reason they call me 75 Take Newman

[00:03:44] Because the 75th time is word perfect

[00:03:47] We're currently, we do miniseries

[00:03:49] And the filmmaker we're currently talking about in this miniseries

[00:03:52] Is one slick Jimmy Cameron

[00:03:54] Yep, slippery Jimmy

[00:03:56] Slippery Jimmy

[00:03:57] Wet Jim, wet Jim

[00:03:58] Well that sounds second

[00:03:59] But he is soaking wet

[00:04:00] Dripping wet Jim

[00:04:01] Dripping wet Jim

[00:04:02] This miniseries is called Pottonator-Colon-Judgment-Cast

[00:04:06] Correct, you nailed it

[00:04:07] That's what it's called

[00:04:08] You nailed it

[00:04:09] And today we're talking about The Abyss

[00:04:11] The abuse

[00:04:12] It's, well

[00:04:13] That's what the crew members call this movie

[00:04:15] Well, really that's funny

[00:04:16] Oh yeah

[00:04:17] They printed out t-shirts that said

[00:04:18] Life's abuse and then you die

[00:04:20] That's really funny

[00:04:21] Yeah, they didn't like making this movie

[00:04:23] It's a good joke, five comedy points

[00:04:24] Dude, the crew of The Abyss, 1989

[00:04:26] That's the film we're talking about

[00:04:28] And we have a very special guest here today

[00:04:30] Oh yeah, oh, oh, there's someone else in the room

[00:04:33] This guy can throw a slimer reference like no other

[00:04:36] Uh oh

[00:04:37] Ed Harris

[00:04:39] Came up with the ranks with Jake and Amir

[00:04:41] He did

[00:04:42] He was a college humor guy

[00:04:44] Yeah

[00:04:45] And he currently has a podcast on the Head Gum Network

[00:04:47] Yeah

[00:04:48] Called The Mine House Podcast

[00:04:49] And he's a phenomenal actor and director

[00:04:52] He's alright

[00:04:53] And a friend of mine, we've known each other for a long time

[00:04:55] We've known each other for a bit

[00:04:56] Yes, it's me, Josh Cameron

[00:04:58] And I'm really excited to be here

[00:05:00] It's James Cameron's son

[00:05:01] Josh

[00:05:02] Joshy

[00:05:03] Josh Predtron

[00:05:04] Ruben Cannon

[00:05:05] I call my mother Linda

[00:05:07] I don't call her mom

[00:05:09] Oh wow, that's a deep cut, I like that

[00:05:11] Well, I want to get back around to the horse

[00:05:12] Did Gailen heard Heavenly Kids?

[00:05:13] Okay, yeah, sure

[00:05:14] Talk about it

[00:05:15] She had kids with Brian De Palma

[00:05:17] I don't think she had kids

[00:05:18] What a fucking time those 80s directors had

[00:05:21] Just swapping wives and abandoning children

[00:05:24] God

[00:05:25] You know what Brian De Palma's daughter

[00:05:27] With Gailen Hurt is named, right?

[00:05:29] Oh no

[00:05:30] Are you ready for your skin to crawl?

[00:05:32] Yeah, sure

[00:05:33] So just think

[00:05:34] Oh no, I know what it is

[00:05:35] It's Brian De Palma

[00:05:36] He's not doing this by accident

[00:05:37] Oh it's no good

[00:05:38] His daughter's name is Lolita

[00:05:40] Oh god

[00:05:41] Oh no

[00:05:42] Yup

[00:05:43] Oh Brian De Palma

[00:05:45] Have you seen De Palma?

[00:05:46] Transgressive to the end

[00:05:47] Did you see De Palma at the documentary?

[00:05:49] No I haven't seen it

[00:05:50] It's so fucking good and you should watch it

[00:05:52] I will hate it

[00:05:53] It's so good and he has this thing where he doesn't swear

[00:05:55] And he just keeps going like

[00:05:56] Oh holy mackerel

[00:05:58] And by the tenth time he does it

[00:06:00] My theater was just in hysterics

[00:06:02] Holy mackerel, can you choose her on action again?

[00:06:05] Exactly, I mean he's telling us like

[00:06:07] And then we put Michael Cain in the wig

[00:06:09] And holy, you know it's anyway

[00:06:11] He's not the most obscene human being in the world

[00:06:13] But he doesn't believe in having a potty mouth

[00:06:15] The opening state guys, 12 minute one take

[00:06:16] Holy moly

[00:06:18] So, the abyss

[00:06:19] You want to talk about Orson Scott Card?

[00:06:21] He just wrote the novelization

[00:06:22] Yeah okay so James Cameron wrote the screenplay

[00:06:25] And then I looked up today because

[00:06:27] This film is very hard to watch now

[00:06:29] I had to borrow Josh's DVD

[00:06:30] Josh, thankfully

[00:06:31] There is a 4K version of it

[00:06:33] Supposedly coming out next year

[00:06:35] Like Cameron supposedly tinkering away at some

[00:06:38] Ray of it, you know

[00:06:39] But it's currently not on any streaming platform

[00:06:41] It's fucking impossible to find

[00:06:42] It's not on, but it's not on iTunes

[00:06:44] That's the only thing, you can't rent it from money

[00:06:46] You can't buy this movie online

[00:06:47] Which you can buy fucking anything

[00:06:48] It literally only exists legally on physical media

[00:06:50] It's not available in any sort of digital form

[00:06:53] Why do you think that is

[00:06:54] It's on laser desk

[00:06:55] An Academy Award winning

[00:06:57] Yeah, Josh is holding up his copy of the DVD

[00:06:59] Which has a sleeve around it

[00:07:01] That's gold

[00:07:02] That says Academy Award winner visual effects

[00:07:04] Yeah, it did win one Academy Award

[00:07:06] I think because we had some chat about this on Twitter

[00:07:08] I think it's just Cameron is

[00:07:10] He's not going to put something else half ass

[00:07:12] Out half ass

[00:07:13] He likes to put out these very curated special editions

[00:07:16] I think that's the thing

[00:07:17] Because I remember

[00:07:18] He just wants to fix it up

[00:07:19] You know, and God knows he's going to

[00:07:20] Change the ending again or something

[00:07:22] I mean who knows

[00:07:23] I remember at times over the last like

[00:07:25] Five or six years seeing it on like

[00:07:27] Your Netflix as your HBO goes

[00:07:29] I think it was still in circulation

[00:07:30] Up until pretty recently

[00:07:31] I think because he's close to finishing this remaster

[00:07:34] He has the power and the sway certainly

[00:07:36] Within Fox to be like nope

[00:07:38] I don't want anyone watching it until I have

[00:07:40] My better version out there

[00:07:41] It's a fox joint

[00:07:42] It's a fox joint

[00:07:43] This was the beginning of

[00:07:44] Oh no, well I'll get to this

[00:07:46] This is an interesting detail

[00:07:47] No, because Aliens is Fox

[00:07:48] Right

[00:07:49] But he starts a deal right after

[00:07:51] Terminator 2

[00:07:52] His Lightstorm deal

[00:07:53] Oh yeah

[00:07:54] Is that

[00:07:55] I get Final Cut on everything

[00:07:56] It's the deal that gives him

[00:07:58] 500 million dollars

[00:07:59] That's what the deal is

[00:08:00] To work with him

[00:08:01] He makes a deal after Terminator 2

[00:08:03] That's for five years and 500 million dollars

[00:08:05] And part of that deal is

[00:08:07] He gets an additional half a million dollars

[00:08:09] To finish the abyss four years later

[00:08:11] Yeah, he fixed the abyss with that deal

[00:08:13] Yeah, so theatrical is 1989

[00:08:15] And then they re-release it in 93

[00:08:17] Because after Terminator 2 in 91

[00:08:19] He's like give me half a million

[00:08:21] I'm bringing ILM back full force

[00:08:23] He's like

[00:08:24] Patrick Bigelow gets to make strange days

[00:08:26] You know, he does all kinds of stuff

[00:08:28] And I just love that it's like

[00:08:29] Five years, 500 million dollars

[00:08:31] He makes two movies

[00:08:33] One of them costs $115 million

[00:08:35] The other one costs like

[00:08:37] 250 million dollars

[00:08:39] One movie called Titanic

[00:08:41] Yeah

[00:08:42] Alright, the abyss

[00:08:43] But yes, Josh and I are currently

[00:08:45] Working on something together

[00:08:46] We're sharing something together

[00:08:47] And thankfully, you know

[00:08:49] We've been talking about Cameron on set

[00:08:51] And talking about the abyss

[00:08:52] And then I was like

[00:08:53] Oh, of course we should have you on

[00:08:54] And realize it's unwatchable

[00:08:55] I'm seeing you every day

[00:08:56] So you're able to bring in the thing

[00:08:57] But the other thing is

[00:08:58] We are currently working with

[00:08:59] A cast member of the abyss

[00:09:01] Oh my God, Chris Elliott

[00:09:03] Chris Elliott is in this show

[00:09:04] And me and Josh are talking about this

[00:09:05] Off-Ming

[00:09:06] Uh-huh

[00:09:07] About how he's not in

[00:09:09] He wasn't in the nightmare part of the shoot

[00:09:11] Right, because he's up on the boat up top

[00:09:12] I think he got pretty clean

[00:09:13] He didn't have to go underwater

[00:09:15] He's in one location the whole time

[00:09:17] On the boat

[00:09:18] They probably shot him for like four days

[00:09:19] He sits in a chair

[00:09:20] But apparently they still did

[00:09:21] I didn't get to ask him about this

[00:09:23] But apparently they still made him do

[00:09:25] 30 takes, you know

[00:09:27] Whatever

[00:09:28] I'm sure

[00:09:29] I don't even remember a fucking thing he does

[00:09:30] Except look at a control panel

[00:09:32] He's very charming in it

[00:09:34] Oh yeah

[00:09:35] It's like one of those great like

[00:09:36] He's well cast

[00:09:37] He gets his moment

[00:09:38] He plays Bendix

[00:09:39] But that's the thing

[00:09:40] Like in a movie like this

[00:09:41] Where you have a lot of people

[00:09:42] Looking at screens and delivering information

[00:09:44] What you want is an actor

[00:09:46] Like Chris Elliott

[00:09:47] Who's always gonna make it

[00:09:48] A little more interesting than it's written

[00:09:49] A little nuance

[00:09:50] Yeah, there's just some weird stuff going on

[00:09:52] Like he's not going full get-of-life

[00:09:53] But he's doing like some weird character stuff

[00:09:55] There's an eye twitch in there

[00:09:56] He has a hive, you know

[00:09:58] What?

[00:09:59] That's just something about Mary Watt

[00:10:00] Did you?

[00:10:01] Uh, Woogie

[00:10:02] Five funny points

[00:10:03] Yeah, Woogie

[00:10:04] Did you hear

[00:10:06] Bridey was telling the story about

[00:10:08] I think she was telling it

[00:10:09] And then when he walked in

[00:10:10] She stopped telling it

[00:10:11] We should say Bridey Elliott

[00:10:12] Bridey Elliott who is also the daughter

[00:10:13] So what we're gonna show right now

[00:10:14] Is a club Thanksgiving

[00:10:15] In which Chris Elliott plays our father

[00:10:17] And we are two of six siblings

[00:10:19] Including Bridey

[00:10:20] Chris's real daughter

[00:10:22] Six people who look identical

[00:10:25] Did you?

[00:10:26] Oh, all of us

[00:10:27] We cut from the same cloth

[00:10:29] Commitically

[00:10:30] And did she tell you

[00:10:32] Was it the one about the laughing

[00:10:34] The person's encounter thing?

[00:10:35] Yeah

[00:10:36] Okay

[00:10:37] She was telling it and then when he walked in

[00:10:38] She sort of stopped the story

[00:10:39] Like I think it was like

[00:10:40] Because then we were talking about the business

[00:10:41] We were holding up the DVD

[00:10:42] And he was walking in like the room

[00:10:44] And I could tell he was like

[00:10:45] Are they gonna fucking like

[00:10:46] Big time me was like

[00:10:47] Are they doing something?

[00:10:48] Make me big time them

[00:10:49] Yeah, he's a great guy

[00:10:50] But I could tell the unease of like

[00:10:52] Are they doing this on purpose?

[00:10:54] Are they doing this on purpose?

[00:10:55] They're just gonna ask me to sign that gold sleeve

[00:10:57] That was the thing I was literally holding up

[00:10:58] A gold sleeve DVD

[00:10:59] And like gesturing and stuff

[00:11:00] So you didn't talk to Chris Elliott

[00:11:01] About the abyss

[00:11:02] We didn't

[00:11:03] But Bridey his daughter

[00:11:04] Bridey his daughter

[00:11:05] Was like oh my dad has a really funny story

[00:11:06] About the abyss

[00:11:07] And we were like why is it

[00:11:08] And it's like there's the moment where

[00:11:09] He's like sort of laughing hysterically

[00:11:10] I think when they sort of like

[00:11:11] Pull it off

[00:11:12] Yeah

[00:11:13] And the thing comes up

[00:11:14] And he said he did that take as a goof

[00:11:16] He was parodying

[00:11:18] What's your name?

[00:11:19] Melinda Dillon

[00:11:20] In close encounters

[00:11:21] For the third time

[00:11:22] And he was doing his impression

[00:11:23] Like this take I'm gonna do my Melinda Dillon thing

[00:11:24] And that's the take they use

[00:11:25] Hey

[00:11:26] Which is kind of funny

[00:11:27] It doesn't stand out

[00:11:28] Like it works

[00:11:29] He's a good actor

[00:11:30] I mean he was doing an impression

[00:11:31] But he did it realistically

[00:11:32] He did it ensemble

[00:11:33] I mean I just

[00:11:34] Yeah exactly

[00:11:35] They all are celebrating

[00:11:36] You know for one scene think like

[00:11:37] What the fuck's Chris Elliott doing

[00:11:38] Yeah why is he

[00:11:39] Oh you know

[00:11:40] No it works

[00:11:41] It works

[00:11:42] It definitely works

[00:11:43] It's probably the best moment of the movie

[00:11:44] Now that we're thinking

[00:11:45] Talk about it

[00:11:46] It's probably what it's all building toward

[00:11:47] But this is the thing

[00:11:48] I find very interesting about this movie

[00:11:49] And I realized

[00:11:50] I was like

[00:11:51] Going into watching this time

[00:11:52] Have I ever seen this

[00:11:53] Because there was a period in high school

[00:11:54] Where I would just like

[00:11:55] Whenever I had to fucking do homework

[00:11:56] I'd put a movie on

[00:11:57] You know

[00:11:58] Sure

[00:11:59] Like there was a lot of

[00:12:00] Whatever was on TV I'd watch in the background

[00:12:01] Sometimes depending on how hard

[00:12:02] The homework was or how

[00:12:03] Rebellious I was feeling

[00:12:04] I'd watch it more or less closely

[00:12:05] It's like I think I've seen it

[00:12:06] But maybe like half watched it

[00:12:07] Or whatever

[00:12:08] Watching it I was like

[00:12:09] No I think I've only seen pieces

[00:12:10] Of this

[00:12:11] Same

[00:12:12] And the interesting thing is

[00:12:13] Like I realized how little

[00:12:14] I knew about it but you have

[00:12:15] Like your core trifecta

[00:12:17] Ed Harris

[00:12:18] Mary Elizabeth Mastroontana

[00:12:20] And Michael Bean

[00:12:21] Mastro Antonio

[00:12:22] Mastro Antonio

[00:12:23] Michael Bay

[00:12:24] Yeah I mean like they were the

[00:12:25] What the three biggest stars of the 80s

[00:12:27] Right?

[00:12:28] Harris, Elizabeth Mastroontano

[00:12:29] And Bean

[00:12:30] They were the three musketeers

[00:12:31] Of Hollywood

[00:12:32] Exactly

[00:12:33] Right

[00:12:34] Then they went

[00:12:35] They're the three amigos

[00:12:36] Right

[00:12:37] In the movie three amigos

[00:12:38] Yes 100%

[00:12:39] And then Chris Hallit was the dritannian

[00:12:40] He was sort of the boy

[00:12:41] Yeah of course

[00:12:42] No but I was like

[00:12:43] So surprised watching this

[00:12:44] Like you're used to movies like this

[00:12:45] Especially like James Cameron movies

[00:12:46] Where you look at the supporting cast

[00:12:47] Of like the grunts and you're like

[00:12:48] Oh that's that guy before

[00:12:49] He became that thing

[00:12:50] Oh you're going to make a point that I

[00:12:52] Made was going to make as well

[00:12:53] It's really interesting that like

[00:12:54] All the actors in this just sort of

[00:12:56] They're nobody

[00:12:57] They were like good solid character actors

[00:12:59] The Hammer Punch dude

[00:13:00] What's his name like Captain in real life

[00:13:03] One of the guys killed himself a year later

[00:13:05] And apparently he was like the only

[00:13:06] Certified diver

[00:13:07] Yeah and the dude with the mouse

[00:13:09] I want to look that up

[00:13:10] The dude with the mouse is Todd Graff

[00:13:11] Who directed a camp

[00:13:13] Oh really?

[00:13:14] Anakendrick movie

[00:13:15] Okay

[00:13:16] And he did two other films

[00:13:17] Oh yeah look at him

[00:13:18] He's bald now

[00:13:19] His Wikipedia picture has him hugging

[00:13:21] The actress Kiki Palmer

[00:13:23] Oh that's nice

[00:13:24] But yeah like you know

[00:13:26] It's weird that all of them sort of like

[00:13:28] You know you keep on going like

[00:13:30] Someone's going to pop up in the background

[00:13:31] Yeah

[00:13:32] He wrote and directed camp

[00:13:33] Yeah

[00:13:34] No I know

[00:13:35] I felt the exact same way

[00:13:36] He's got these weird

[00:13:37] Like I don't know

[00:13:39] This weird skill for picking actors

[00:13:41] You never see again

[00:13:42] Right

[00:13:43] I guess in this movie

[00:13:44] I'm trying to think if it's true

[00:13:45] Of other movies

[00:13:46] It's not so much

[00:13:47] It's like okay like

[00:13:48] You guys mostly pop up in other stuff

[00:13:49] I don't feel like I've seen Sam Worthington since Avatar

[00:13:51] Well that is true

[00:13:52] Yeah

[00:13:53] Well he was put in

[00:13:54] He was you know

[00:13:55] He's still on Pandora

[00:13:56] Well the crazy thing

[00:13:57] He is still stuck on Pandora

[00:13:58] The crazy thing is you saw Sam Worthington

[00:13:59] So much before Avatar

[00:14:01] Like they did the bed

[00:14:02] Sure because he'd made Avatar

[00:14:04] And then he goes and makes Terminator Salvation

[00:14:06] There were so much post

[00:14:07] And he makes that movie where he's like on a ledge

[00:14:09] Right I think Clash of the Tides came out

[00:14:11] Clash of the Titans

[00:14:12] I think he came out like two months after Avatar

[00:14:13] Yeah

[00:14:14] Like he had like five

[00:14:15] It was all lined up

[00:14:16] Yeah

[00:14:18] He's in a

[00:14:19] Little bit of a Jim Caviesel

[00:14:20] He'll pop up doing a Man of Interest

[00:14:22] Yes

[00:14:23] Not person but

[00:14:24] No no no man

[00:14:25] Yeah

[00:14:26] Let's be clear

[00:14:27] Yeah it's the MRA version

[00:14:28] Of people of person of interest

[00:14:30] It's a lot more specific

[00:14:31] But there's like he kept on looking

[00:14:32] So it's like you know

[00:14:33] Paxton was like not really a big deal before Aliens

[00:14:35] You know and he obviously became a much bigger actor

[00:14:37] Yeah no you're right

[00:14:38] This isn't incongruous

[00:14:39] And then someone like Jeanette Goldstein

[00:14:40] Who never got huge

[00:14:41] But it's like character actors

[00:14:42] Who worked in a lot of big movies

[00:14:43] Mostly camera movies

[00:14:44] Yeah

[00:14:45] Like Michael Bean is the king

[00:14:46] Of these people

[00:14:47] Because he's just in James Cameron movies

[00:14:49] I know he's in like the rock

[00:14:50] He's in a couple things

[00:14:51] But this is it right

[00:14:53] This is pretty much the last we hear of Michael Bean

[00:14:55] It's weird that yes

[00:14:56] And it's weird that Bean is the only one

[00:14:58] Like he might as well have like

[00:14:59] Popped under the ocean

[00:15:01] Correct

[00:15:02] Like a balloon

[00:15:03] Correct I agree

[00:15:04] It's weird that Bean is the only one

[00:15:05] Of the usual Cameron regulars in this movie

[00:15:07] Cause he usually has like

[00:15:08] He's gonna give Goldstein something

[00:15:10] Paxton's in most of them

[00:15:11] You know

[00:15:12] Like he's got a circulation

[00:15:14] Of the same actors sort of over and over again

[00:15:16] And in this it's like

[00:15:17] Just Bean

[00:15:18] And then Chris Elliott feels like

[00:15:20] That's the kind of personality

[00:15:21] You would want like on the actual ship

[00:15:24] Yeah

[00:15:25] Let's make the tech talk funny

[00:15:26] Right instead he's like the point guy

[00:15:27] You know

[00:15:28] He's like in the first five minutes

[00:15:30] In the last ten

[00:15:31] Like he's not really in the movie at all

[00:15:32] But he's kind of the actor

[00:15:33] The type of actor

[00:15:34] He's the fourth one you remember

[00:15:35] Yeah

[00:15:36] He is

[00:15:37] He absolutely is the only other person

[00:15:38] In this movie I've ever heard of

[00:15:39] But even like picking like

[00:15:40] Riser right after diner

[00:15:41] You know

[00:15:42] It's like you kind of expect

[00:15:43] All the other people to be

[00:15:44] Populated, the cast who populated

[00:15:45] And it's like

[00:15:46] Well also I mean

[00:15:47] As Ben and I were talking

[00:15:49] He's like who's that woman

[00:15:51] Like Mary Elizabeth Mastro Antonio

[00:15:53] Was like the hottest ingenue right now

[00:15:55] It's crazy

[00:15:56] For like ten years she was humongous

[00:15:57] I mean to look at her Wikipedia

[00:15:58] I don't think she's made a movie

[00:15:59] Did she stop after Perfect Storm?

[00:16:01] Like basically

[00:16:02] Basically

[00:16:03] Her last movie was 2002

[00:16:04] Is that right?

[00:16:05] No her last movie is the Perfect Storm

[00:16:06] Maybe she's like Ellen Barkin

[00:16:07] And married like you know

[00:16:09] The heir to Maybelline or something

[00:16:10] She's married to a much older director

[00:16:11] Who directed her and stuff

[00:16:12] She's married to Pat O'Connor

[00:16:13] An Irish director who made movies like

[00:16:16] Dancing at Lufthnazza

[00:16:18] Circle of Friends

[00:16:19] You know not like a big director

[00:16:22] So she's done like TV since then

[00:16:24] But hasn't done a movie since

[00:16:25] She did a movie called Tabloid in 2001

[00:16:27] I've never heard of

[00:16:28] But it was pretty much Perfect Storm

[00:16:29] But you look at her career right

[00:16:31] So it's like okay

[00:16:32] Uncredited Extra in King Comedy

[00:16:33] That doesn't count

[00:16:34] No it doesn't

[00:16:35] Then her first movie is Scarface

[00:16:36] Right where she's the sister

[00:16:37] Okay

[00:16:38] Then her second movie is Color of Money

[00:16:39] For which she gets an Oscar nominate

[00:16:41] Okay then Slam Dance

[00:16:43] Then the Abyss

[00:16:45] Then January Man

[00:16:46] Where she meets her husband

[00:16:47] Then Fools of Fortune

[00:16:48] With Kevin Kline

[00:16:49] It's not a bad movie

[00:16:50] Then Fools of Fortune

[00:16:51] Then Robin Hood

[00:16:52] Prince of Thieves

[00:16:53] And then that's it

[00:16:54] Oh she was made Marian

[00:16:55] Oh yeah

[00:16:56] And then it like stops

[00:16:57] Like then she like

[00:16:58] Still works but in stuff

[00:16:59] That doesn't really get released

[00:17:00] And they're more and more spread out

[00:17:02] And then like there's nothing big

[00:17:04] In between Robin Hood Prince of Thieves

[00:17:06] She's very good in them

[00:17:07] And Perfect Storm

[00:17:08] She's very good in Limbo

[00:17:09] Which is basically unseen movie

[00:17:11] The John Sales movie with David Strather

[00:17:13] That's a good movie

[00:17:15] That was almost The River Wild

[00:17:17] But not

[00:17:18] It has a weird twist

[00:17:19] It's a good movie

[00:17:20] And she's good in the Perfect Storm

[00:17:22] But it's a not a big role

[00:17:24] It's mostly just her yelling on her movie

[00:17:26] Her on a walkie

[00:17:27] Come back here

[00:17:28] Georgie

[00:17:29] Come back here

[00:17:30] I remember seeing like four year consideration ads for that

[00:17:32] I mean I think it was a little half hearted

[00:17:33] But one of those made like half an attempt

[00:17:34] To be like that's a good supporting performance

[00:17:36] Did you know that studio really pushed

[00:17:37] To have Michael Bean get an Academy Award

[00:17:40] They apparently put a lot of money into that

[00:17:42] That was a misguided

[00:17:43] He's very good in this

[00:17:44] But there was no way he was ever going to get

[00:17:46] A Oscar nomination

[00:17:47] If he was in the whole movie

[00:17:49] Doing what he's doing in the movie

[00:17:51] Cutting his arm under the table

[00:17:52] But like when he cuts his arm under the table

[00:17:54] You're like, whoa how crazy is this guy

[00:17:56] I thought he was just a little mean

[00:17:58] Right

[00:17:59] Anyway we'll get this one

[00:18:00] There's essentially like he's fine

[00:18:01] One ten minute stretch where he's really playing the mania

[00:18:03] Very well

[00:18:04] And then that dissolves into

[00:18:05] Big fights

[00:18:06] Like that dissolves into big fights

[00:18:08] And then it dissolves into crashing submarines into each other

[00:18:10] Right before that he's just kind of like a grunt

[00:18:12] Can I do some setup

[00:18:14] Yes, let's do some setup

[00:18:15] We love context on this show

[00:18:17] Josh I know you love context

[00:18:19] We're fucking connoisseurs of context

[00:18:21] Slimer is driving my cab

[00:18:23] See that's the context you need

[00:18:24] Because otherwise you wouldn't understand

[00:18:25] Why the cab was so crazy

[00:18:27] D-d-d-don't nap-dain it

[00:18:29] Why does this cab smell like hot dogs

[00:18:31] Oh context, slimer is driving the cab

[00:18:33] Of course it is slimer driving the cab

[00:18:35] Slimer driving the cab

[00:18:37] That's a great slimer

[00:18:38] Cascmating devil

[00:18:39] Alright, okay

[00:18:41] James Cameron he makes aliens

[00:18:43] He's on top of the world

[00:18:45] He's married to Gail Ann Hurt

[00:18:47] It's producer on the Terminator

[00:18:49] Does she make, does she produce aliens?

[00:18:51] Yeah she does

[00:18:52] He reads about deep-sea divers

[00:18:54] In national geographic

[00:18:56] And he's like you know him

[00:18:58] He loves water

[00:18:59] Okay

[00:19:00] He's into water

[00:19:01] But this was the start of his deep dive

[00:19:02] This is the start of him I think just exploring

[00:19:04] Water in sort of an abstract way

[00:19:06] And then it became a real life

[00:19:08] He saw water and he goes I want to put actors in that

[00:19:10] Wait a second

[00:19:12] He writes a script that's very obviously

[00:19:15] Based on where Mary Elizabeth

[00:19:17] Master Antonio is playing his wife

[00:19:19] And Ed Harris is him

[00:19:21] It's so obvious

[00:19:22] They are married

[00:19:23] While he's writing the script

[00:19:25] They split up

[00:19:26] While the movie is going into pre-production

[00:19:27] They are divorced by the time the movie comes out

[00:19:29] Wow

[00:19:30] This movie is certainly

[00:19:31] She remains as producer

[00:19:32] In a submarine together

[00:19:33] Having to work together

[00:19:34] Despite being at wit's end

[00:19:35] Well she produces T2

[00:19:37] But that's it

[00:19:38] That's the end of their relationship

[00:19:39] I was like she produced it

[00:19:40] No she produced it for sure

[00:19:41] Oh yeah

[00:19:42] And I think T2 is probably

[00:19:44] Contractual because she did the first one

[00:19:45] No of course

[00:19:46] But like it is fascinating to imagine

[00:19:47] Like this movie is playing out

[00:19:49] It's the worst shoot

[00:19:50] I'll get to that in a second

[00:19:51] And pretty much in recorded Hollywood history

[00:19:53] Along with like the Revenant

[00:19:54] And like I don't know days of heaven

[00:19:55] I mean not days of heaven

[00:19:56] Heaven's Gate

[00:19:57] Heaven's Gate

[00:19:58] You know

[00:19:59] Waterworld

[00:20:00] It's like the big ones they always talk about

[00:20:01] And like yeah

[00:20:02] They're not married

[00:20:03] Like they're breaking up

[00:20:05] And the movie's about

[00:20:06] Like a broken up couple

[00:20:07] Who they figure it out

[00:20:08] They get back together

[00:20:09] They love each other

[00:20:10] He's got the big ring

[00:20:11] But I knew that's crazy

[00:20:12] You have to wonder if there was some sort of

[00:20:14] Like attempt at self-actualization there

[00:20:17] Yeah no for sure

[00:20:18] I don't know

[00:20:19] He's romanticizing shit so much

[00:20:21] Right

[00:20:22] With this

[00:20:23] They divorce after the movie comes out

[00:20:24] Sorry after the movie finishes shooting

[00:20:26] Okay

[00:20:27] They're like very divorced

[00:20:28] By the time the movie comes out

[00:20:29] Yeah

[00:20:30] Okay

[00:20:31] The movie

[00:20:32] We just got

[00:20:33] It's set mostly underwater

[00:20:34] 40% of the photography in this movie is underwater

[00:20:37] Right

[00:20:38] They had to build special cameras to shoot underwater

[00:20:40] Yeah

[00:20:41] They had to build two tanks

[00:20:42] Because there was no tank in existence

[00:20:44] That was large enough to shoot in

[00:20:46] So they built two tanks

[00:20:48] That are like a gazelle

[00:20:49] Sorry

[00:20:50] I've got it right here

[00:20:51] 7.5 million gallons of water in these tanks

[00:20:54] 55 feet deep

[00:20:55] And the homophobic capital of the world too

[00:20:57] In the Cayman Islands

[00:20:59] Right

[00:21:00] It's in South Carolina

[00:21:02] I'm sorry

[00:21:03] Just before I forget

[00:21:04] Sidebar because we already

[00:21:05] They still got some problems over there

[00:21:06] There were so great whites there

[00:21:07] And I'm not talking about the sharks

[00:21:08] Great Caucasians

[00:21:10] Unbelievable Caucasians in that time

[00:21:12] Just before I forget

[00:21:13] Because it triggered

[00:21:14] And we already opened this can of worms

[00:21:15] The Orson Scott card thing

[00:21:16] Because someone throughout

[00:21:17] Like do you think the reason the movie isn't available

[00:21:19] Is because there was a big sort of Orson Scott

[00:21:21] Card backlash in the last couple of years

[00:21:23] And there's always a bit of confusion

[00:21:25] As to whether or not he was instrumental

[00:21:27] In the writing of the film

[00:21:28] Sure

[00:21:29] Cameron wrote the script

[00:21:30] Then gave it to Orson Scott Card

[00:21:31] Like before they were filming

[00:21:33] To do novelization

[00:21:34] And can you deepen it

[00:21:35] Sure

[00:21:36] And give more backstory to the characters

[00:21:37] For the actors to use

[00:21:39] So it wasn't just like broaden it for the audience

[00:21:41] I got you

[00:21:42] That was a big thing was like

[00:21:43] Orson Scott Card was writing additional backstory

[00:21:45] For being Master Antonio, Ed Harris

[00:21:47] That all of them were like using

[00:21:48] Like they were accepting the details

[00:21:50] That he was writing as

[00:21:51] He wrote their character diary

[00:21:53] Yeah, exactly

[00:21:54] Yeah

[00:21:55] But has no official credit on the film

[00:21:57] They covered this tank with a tarp

[00:22:00] Also as a homophobe

[00:22:01] It needed to be dark

[00:22:02] So that they could light the movie

[00:22:04] So just imagine you're Ed Harris

[00:22:06] You have to get in a 55-foot-deep tank

[00:22:10] Of water in a fucking submarine

[00:22:12] You have no idea you're going to be doing

[00:22:13] HBO's Westworld

[00:22:14] You're not thinking about that

[00:22:15] You have no idea

[00:22:16] I'm going to go limmer in his eye

[00:22:17] You liked Westworld

[00:22:19] The movie

[00:22:20] You don't know

[00:22:21] Well, no he knew

[00:22:22] That one he did

[00:22:23] He knew that for a long time

[00:22:24] Always the hours

[00:22:25] That was my friend Nicole

[00:22:27] But then like

[00:22:28] And then they're like

[00:22:29] Great, you're underwater

[00:22:30] Let's put the tarp over

[00:22:31] So it's total darkness

[00:22:33] And can we go one step further?

[00:22:35] How fucking depressing is this?

[00:22:36] We go one step further

[00:22:37] For a 15-minute set piece in the movie

[00:22:39] We will drown you

[00:22:40] You're in the tank with the tarp

[00:22:42] And your helmet is also filled with water

[00:22:44] So you're double submerged

[00:22:47] And the water in the movie

[00:22:48] Is going to be like experimental water

[00:22:50] You can breathe

[00:22:51] But in real life, it's just water

[00:22:52] We made pink

[00:22:54] And you just have to hold your breath

[00:22:55] So wait a minute

[00:22:56] This fluorocarbonated

[00:22:58] Fluoro oxygenated carbon water

[00:23:00] Whatever it is

[00:23:01] They really did put their heads in this water

[00:23:04] So they were breathing

[00:23:06] Quote unquote this water

[00:23:07] Probably like fucking yeah

[00:23:08] For months

[00:23:09] For like 40 seconds at a time

[00:23:10] Or whatever

[00:23:12] You look at how much screen time

[00:23:14] He has with that helmet on

[00:23:16] I mean

[00:23:17] It's a nightmare

[00:23:18] There must have been some shots

[00:23:19] They did where there was some kind of

[00:23:21] Like screen between him

[00:23:22] In what?

[00:23:23] Like a goldfish

[00:23:24] But there are scenes that he was submerged

[00:23:25] His face was submerged in water

[00:23:27] Because they have to

[00:23:28] You know

[00:23:29] The physics of just how his face is sort of like

[00:23:30] Swelling at everything

[00:23:31] You can tell

[00:23:32] Even just the way it's moving in there

[00:23:34] You also have to think like

[00:23:35] Okay, so there's maybe like

[00:23:37] I don't know what the longest single shot

[00:23:39] Without an edit of him in the thing is

[00:23:40] Right

[00:23:41] But even if you go like

[00:23:42] Okay, Ed Harris can only hold his breath

[00:23:43] For like 30 seconds to a minute

[00:23:45] So we can only shoot that much at a time

[00:23:47] That means that it probably took like

[00:23:49] Two weeks to shoot all of that shit

[00:23:51] Because he's probably got a solid 10 minutes

[00:23:54] The movie took

[00:23:55] The movie would shoot

[00:23:56] For the movie shot for six months

[00:23:58] Seventy hours a week

[00:24:00] Six days a week

[00:24:02] On an isolated set

[00:24:03] That's mostly underwater

[00:24:05] On their day off they all cried

[00:24:07] Well, here

[00:24:08] I want to lay this all out

[00:24:09] Right now

[00:24:10] Just so then we can talk about

[00:24:11] The movie with just all that in mind

[00:24:13] You know

[00:24:14] When the rat breathes the water

[00:24:15] That's the actual

[00:24:16] Yeah

[00:24:17] Experimental water

[00:24:18] It's actually breathing

[00:24:19] And that scene is not in the British release

[00:24:20] Of the abyss

[00:24:21] Because it was seen as cruel to animal

[00:24:22] Wow

[00:24:24] Mary Elizabeth Master Antonio

[00:24:25] David grew up in England

[00:24:26] I did

[00:24:27] He drops it a lot

[00:24:28] Mary Elizabeth Master Antonio

[00:24:29] Literally freaked out

[00:24:31] When they were shooting the scene

[00:24:32] Where she's getting revived

[00:24:33] Because they ran out of film

[00:24:35] On one take

[00:24:36] While he's like

[00:24:37] Wacking her chest

[00:24:38] Oh my god

[00:24:39] She's topless

[00:24:40] He still slapped her in the face

[00:24:41] And she walked in

[00:24:42] And so apparently she screamed

[00:24:43] Animals and refused to shoot anymore

[00:24:45] So all the shit of Ed Harris yelling

[00:24:47] Is to nothing

[00:24:48] He had to react off of nothing

[00:24:49] Wait so the film ran out

[00:24:51] And Ed Harris as a

[00:24:52] I assumed the explanation was that

[00:24:55] Like he's a method actor

[00:24:56] He was in the moment

[00:24:57] I don't know

[00:24:58] He's just still wailing at her

[00:24:59] I don't know

[00:25:00] Insisted on continuing to hit her

[00:25:02] No, I don't know about that

[00:25:03] Josh is just saying that

[00:25:04] He's just making that up

[00:25:06] He really did slap her in the face

[00:25:08] Oh no

[00:25:09] Yeah, he sure slapped her in the face

[00:25:10] For takes

[00:25:11] And then the camera ran out

[00:25:13] And Cameron didn't stop it

[00:25:15] And then she kept going

[00:25:17] That's insane

[00:25:18] So she refused to like

[00:25:19] Ed Harris said that

[00:25:20] That's not even the worst it had

[00:25:21] Ed Harris said at one point

[00:25:22] He was driving home

[00:25:23] And he just burst into spontaneous

[00:25:25] Like sobbing and like couldn't stop

[00:25:27] And he had to like pull over

[00:25:28] And just like sob for like

[00:25:30] Half an hour or whatever

[00:25:31] And look, not to talk at a school

[00:25:33] But Ed Harris is known as being

[00:25:35] One of the worst temperaments in Hollywood

[00:25:36] Yeah, he's a grumpy man

[00:25:37] I have a lot of friends

[00:25:39] Who have worked with him

[00:25:40] In different capacities over the years

[00:25:41] Like, you know, at different set positions

[00:25:44] And even on just like

[00:25:46] A nice little movie

[00:25:47] That's like swimming along

[00:25:48] They're like that guy

[00:25:49] That's the toughest actor I've ever come across

[00:25:52] Like he's just really particular

[00:25:54] Yeah

[00:25:55] And real hair trigger

[00:25:56] Is he a giving actor?

[00:25:57] Like if you're good

[00:25:58] Is he gonna

[00:25:59] I imagine him being very present with you

[00:26:01] He's such a good actor

[00:26:02] He's such a good actor

[00:26:03] I do think there's probably

[00:26:05] A bit of a thing

[00:26:06] Like what are you

[00:26:07] How do you set him off?

[00:26:08] How do you bug Ed Harris?

[00:26:09] If you're making the hours

[00:26:10] Where all he has to do is sit on the window

[00:26:11] And also did him and Vigo just

[00:26:13] Lock horns

[00:26:14] I mean, because come on

[00:26:15] That's the thing

[00:26:16] I would imagine he's kind of one of those guys

[00:26:18] Where he gives a lot to his actors

[00:26:20] If he feels like they're challenging him

[00:26:22] Like he doesn't work in a

[00:26:24] Like

[00:26:25] Gentle collaborative way

[00:26:26] It's like we have to

[00:26:27] Fuck in like lock horns

[00:26:29] And push each other harder and harder

[00:26:30] He wants to

[00:26:31] Yeah, sure

[00:26:32] He's

[00:26:33] He's antagonistic

[00:26:34] He's like Pollock

[00:26:35] I mean that's why he

[00:26:36] Like he always wanted to make a movie

[00:26:37] About Jackson Pollock

[00:26:38] He was like the most gigantic fucking

[00:26:40] Shit asshole in the whole universe

[00:26:42] And he was like this is the guy

[00:26:43] I need to play

[00:26:44] And that's also like

[00:26:45] What makes him a good actor

[00:26:46] Like that's the very quality

[00:26:48] That he brings across

[00:26:49] In his performances

[00:26:50] Where it's like

[00:26:51] Ed Harris just seems so serious

[00:26:52] Minded about everything he's doing

[00:26:53] I had like a friend

[00:26:54] Who was like a first team PA

[00:26:55] On a movie he worked on

[00:26:56] And that position is literally

[00:26:58] Your job is to get the actors

[00:26:59] And be like hey they need you on set now

[00:27:00] And you go to hair and makeup

[00:27:01] And he just said

[00:27:02] Every interaction that was just him

[00:27:03] Doing like my job is to say like

[00:27:05] Ed hey they need you in hair and makeup

[00:27:07] Was just like

[00:27:09] I mean it's just

[00:27:10] How was the movie?

[00:27:11] I don't remember what movie it was

[00:27:12] It was a smaller thing

[00:27:13] In like the last 10 years

[00:27:14] It was like an independent film

[00:27:15] So just I just want to wrap all this up

[00:27:16] There was a lightning storm

[00:27:17] That tore the tarp to pieces

[00:27:19] So they then had to shoot only at night

[00:27:23] And some of the divers

[00:27:25] Some of the divers

[00:27:27] Skin was burned

[00:27:29] And their hair turned white

[00:27:30] Because they were under the water so much

[00:27:32] It was still chlorinated

[00:27:34] Yeah right

[00:27:35] And uh

[00:27:36] Jesus Christ

[00:27:38] Michael Bean says he was on set

[00:27:40] For like 5 months and acted for 3 weeks

[00:27:43] So there's a lot of also just like

[00:27:45] Waiting and sitting and like doing nothing

[00:27:47] The movie cost about 70 million dollars to make

[00:27:50] The original budget was 43

[00:27:53] Ed Harris will never speak about it

[00:27:55] He says I'm never talking about it

[00:27:57] And I never will

[00:27:59] He's cool about the movie

[00:28:01] There was a documentary called

[00:28:03] The Abyss

[00:28:05] The Abyss was a lot of things

[00:28:07] Fun to make was not one of them

[00:28:09] That's all

[00:28:10] That's all I got for you

[00:28:11] I just wanted to give you guys

[00:28:13] That happened to a pretty good movie

[00:28:15] Yeah decent movie

[00:28:16] I don't know but it's like

[00:28:17] It's interesting

[00:28:18] You know you hear about what a nightmare

[00:28:19] Titanic was to make or whatever

[00:28:20] Like this one

[00:28:21] And like you're like well you know what

[00:28:23] Like they got a fucking movie

[00:28:24] Everyone remembers out of it

[00:28:25] Like the Abyss isn't quite that

[00:28:27] Uh I agree with you

[00:28:29] But I also think

[00:28:30] Like is the Abyss one of the first

[00:28:32] Best movies that Harris ever made?

[00:28:34] No

[00:28:35] No National Treasure 2 book of secrets

[00:28:37] I wish I had four more right off the dome

[00:28:39] Um no what I was going to say is though

[00:28:41] I think the difference between this

[00:28:42] And Titanic is Titanic is like

[00:28:43] That was complicated

[00:28:44] But boy they made this transcendent

[00:28:45] Thing that connected with everybody

[00:28:47] Broke all the rules and whatever

[00:28:49] This movie gained some power from

[00:28:51] How burnout everyone

[00:28:53] Well it's kind of Revenant-esque

[00:28:54] Although I think this movie is better than the Revenant

[00:28:56] I think inarguably

[00:28:57] But I think it's kind of a good movie

[00:28:59] But I think it's kind of a good movie

[00:29:01] Inarguably infinitely better

[00:29:03] But I think there is something where like

[00:29:05] This movie is A it's the saddest movie

[00:29:07] Cameron's ever made

[00:29:08] Yeah

[00:29:09] I think it's got this

[00:29:10] It's very haunted but then

[00:29:11] But then it ends happy

[00:29:13] Which doesn't work

[00:29:14] Which feels a little jarring

[00:29:15] And I think that's probably

[00:29:17] Where I didn't know the

[00:29:19] Context of the divorce happening

[00:29:20] While this movie's happening

[00:29:21] Maybe he's trying to fix things

[00:29:22] Yeah

[00:29:23] Because I think the better version

[00:29:24] Of this movie ends with them split up

[00:29:26] No the better version of this movie

[00:29:28] Ends with him at the fucking bottom of the ocean

[00:29:30] With the aliens

[00:29:31] And he stays down there and she thinks he's dead

[00:29:32] And she goes on with her life

[00:29:33] Sure

[00:29:34] Because that's

[00:29:35] The only version I feel like

[00:29:37] I remember is

[00:29:38] We should say this movie

[00:29:39] Kindling at the top

[00:29:40] Yeah

[00:29:41] So that's what everybody in the world

[00:29:42] We're saying that's the idealized version

[00:29:43] Of the movie that doesn't exist

[00:29:45] There's a version

[00:29:46] Wait a minute

[00:29:47] This was not shot

[00:29:48] This is awesome

[00:29:49] He's saying he wants it to be

[00:29:50] That's what I want it to be

[00:29:52] There is indeed a better

[00:29:54] Because the two fake outs they do

[00:29:55] With the deaths in the movie

[00:29:57] Spoiler alert where each one

[00:29:58] Has the near death experience

[00:29:59] You guys spoiler alert

[00:30:01] We're gonna spoil the abyss

[00:30:02] 1989's abyss

[00:30:04] Both times that happened

[00:30:06] I was like

[00:30:07] I'm gonna give this movie a lot of credit

[00:30:08] If they kill one of them off

[00:30:09] Because there are a couple that shouldn't be together

[00:30:11] And they're both married to their work

[00:30:13] And it makes sense for one of them

[00:30:14] To have to make the sacrifice

[00:30:15] You know

[00:30:16] Yeah

[00:30:17] And then

[00:30:18] I mean if you want to talk about

[00:30:19] Like the most autobiographical version

[00:30:21] Of this film in Heidzitz 2020

[00:30:23] Probably didn't have the self-awareness

[00:30:24] To do this at the time

[00:30:25] Is like she goes up to land

[00:30:27] And goes on with her life

[00:30:28] And James Cameron stays at the bottom of the ocean

[00:30:30] Just being happy

[00:30:31] Right

[00:30:32] That's where he wants to be

[00:30:33] Like he doesn't really understand human

[00:30:34] The aliens are the worst part of the movie

[00:30:36] Like in terms of their

[00:30:38] Like their purpose in the plot

[00:30:40] A little liquid butterfly

[00:30:41] Come on

[00:30:42] That same thing later went on

[00:30:44] To control the body in Independence Day

[00:30:46] It does kinda look like that thing

[00:30:48] In Independence Day

[00:30:49] And ILM made both movies

[00:30:51] And here's another crazy thing

[00:30:52] That same thing

[00:30:53] They might have been like

[00:30:54] Let's just like put some goo

[00:30:55] On the abyss alien

[00:30:56] Come on

[00:30:57] I know that

[00:30:58] But those same things

[00:30:59] They were in the abyss

[00:31:01] They were the same things in Independence Day

[00:31:03] And they also wrote

[00:31:04] Things to do in Denver when you're dead

[00:31:05] Great

[00:31:06] They did a great job

[00:31:07] They did a great job

[00:31:08] Solid scrub

[00:31:09] Is that the movie with Christopher Walken and Andy Garcia?

[00:31:11] Yeah

[00:31:12] When he goes

[00:31:13] Well you can suck my dead dick

[00:31:15] Yeah

[00:31:16] That's pretty good

[00:31:17] Oh Josh is like a master impressionist

[00:31:18] I don't know if he knows

[00:31:19] He's lost it out

[00:31:20] He's lost it out

[00:31:21] Three impressions

[00:31:22] That's the only thing I remember about things to do

[00:31:24] In Denver when you're dead

[00:31:25] Not him

[00:31:26] It has

[00:31:28] Buscemi is Mr. Sh

[00:31:30] Right

[00:31:31] Like he's like an assassin called Mr. Sh

[00:31:32] It was like

[00:31:33] That movie

[00:31:34] Things to do in Denver when you're dead

[00:31:35] Is like the ultimate like

[00:31:36] Post-Sarantino

[00:31:37] Tarantino Giz movie

[00:31:38] Where they're just like

[00:31:39] Gangsters

[00:31:40] Everyone's got a weird name

[00:31:41] This is good right

[00:31:42] He will just eat his own shit

[00:31:43] And he talked about it being spongy

[00:31:45] Yeah

[00:31:46] Like that kid

[00:31:47] Do you have an Ed Harris?

[00:31:48] Have you ever done it?

[00:31:49] No

[00:31:50] But I bet it'd be something close to the

[00:31:52] Like

[00:31:53] No

[00:31:54] You're within range

[00:31:55] You're in your 80s Harris right now

[00:31:57] Now I was just watching Westworld this week

[00:31:59] And he's now just

[00:32:00] He's so gravelly

[00:32:01] He's so far down the register

[00:32:03] Got him in a fucking

[00:32:06] A history of violence

[00:32:07] So

[00:32:08] Is the best

[00:32:09] That's what he's

[00:32:10] Fulgrity

[00:32:11] That's what you want from him now

[00:32:12] He's just a man who walks into a room

[00:32:14] And everyone's like

[00:32:15] I don't want to

[00:32:16] I don't want to even

[00:32:17] To dig for this guy

[00:32:18] Didn't he just very quickly get shot in the head

[00:32:19] And then it was about William Hurt

[00:32:21] And then

[00:32:22] He gets killed like the halfway point

[00:32:23] But the first half he's in a lot

[00:32:25] He's in a lot

[00:32:26] Cause he's one of the like

[00:32:27] Shows up to the diner

[00:32:28] He's like

[00:32:29] I heard you killed a bunch of guys

[00:32:31] You're sure nice

[00:32:32] Vigo

[00:32:33] I just remember he says Fulgrity so much in that movie

[00:32:35] Cause he's trying to call Vigo

[00:32:37] He goes here's what's bugging me

[00:32:38] I'm thinking about this guy

[00:32:39] Fulgrity

[00:32:40] He just keeps saying Fulgrity

[00:32:41] Fulgrity

[00:32:42] I think he like dies

[00:32:43] Like right at the halfway point

[00:32:44] Maybe it's a little past halfway

[00:32:46] I need to watch that movie again

[00:32:48] It's on the lawn

[00:32:49] Oh yeah it's great

[00:32:50] Yeah

[00:32:51] Cause then

[00:32:52] Is it then he has the rough sex with Maria Bellow on the stairs

[00:32:55] Yes after that

[00:32:56] And then

[00:32:57] And then

[00:32:58] I mean cause like the last part of that movie

[00:33:00] William Hurt

[00:33:01] Yeah the big hurt comes in and he lays it down

[00:33:03] Yeah

[00:33:04] I mean here's the thing

[00:33:05] BigHurt is so incredible in that movie

[00:33:06] It's one of those perfect

[00:33:07] Did he get an Academy Award nomination?

[00:33:08] Yes 100%

[00:33:09] He got an Academy Award nomination

[00:33:10] And they campaigned Harris harder

[00:33:13] Right that's what I was gonna say

[00:33:14] And he won some critics awards

[00:33:15] Like he's also good in the movie

[00:33:16] Right

[00:33:17] And then but no

[00:33:18] Harris got a little fucked over

[00:33:19] Cause I think he would have gotten nominated

[00:33:21] If William Hurt

[00:33:22] If anyone else had played the William Hurt role

[00:33:24] I think Ed Harris would have gotten a best supporting actor nomination

[00:33:26] What the fuck

[00:33:27] Cause I like see it in the end

[00:33:28] The first half of the movie you're watching

[00:33:30] Harris and you're like this is unbelievable

[00:33:32] And then when Hurt comes on screen

[00:33:34] It's hard to remember the rest of the movie

[00:33:36] Joey what the fuck

[00:33:37] Or what the fuck Joey

[00:33:38] Yeah

[00:33:39] Rohim

[00:33:40] Rohim

[00:33:41] Rohim listen

[00:33:42] That was fucked with me

[00:33:44] We were also ready for William Hurt

[00:33:45] To just like own shit for another 10 years

[00:33:48] And he kinda didn't

[00:33:49] He kinda did

[00:33:50] Yeah then he did Stephen King's dreamscape

[00:33:53] Nightmares scapes anyway

[00:33:54] Nightmares and dreamscapes

[00:33:55] It was really odd

[00:33:56] Cause it was like that was such a good

[00:33:58] Like kinda comeback performance

[00:33:59] Yeah

[00:34:00] Especially Barry deep in the movie

[00:34:02] So Eddie Harris

[00:34:03] Eddie Harris

[00:34:04] Can I say something about Ed Harris

[00:34:05] Hey guess who it is

[00:34:06] I was waiting for you to come in Benny

[00:34:08] This is a wet movie for ya

[00:34:09] Oh I love it

[00:34:10] Soak and wet

[00:34:11] This of course

[00:34:12] The man who loves him wet

[00:34:14] And loves him big

[00:34:15] I've said that on the podcast before

[00:34:17] It's true

[00:34:18] Pretty sure about it

[00:34:19] Ben Hosley

[00:34:20] Ben Dusser

[00:34:21] Uh huh

[00:34:22] Produer Ben

[00:34:23] Birthday Benny

[00:34:24] Tiebreaker

[00:34:25] It's all true

[00:34:26] Poet Laureate

[00:34:27] Our finest film critic

[00:34:28] White Hot Benny

[00:34:29] The fuck master

[00:34:30] He is not Professor Crispy

[00:34:32] No

[00:34:33] Despite the fact that his audio is crisp

[00:34:34] And we've had some people recently

[00:34:36] In reviews on iTunes

[00:34:38] Say that it's very hard for them to

[00:34:40] Not call him Professor Crispy

[00:34:42] Because they notice how crisp the audio is

[00:34:44] It's crisp

[00:34:45] And I understand the struggle

[00:34:46] The struggle is real but you have to

[00:34:47] Fucking hold back

[00:34:48] Do it please

[00:34:50] Green with a hello fennel

[00:34:52] Yeah you can do that

[00:34:53] Call him Mr. Hositive

[00:34:55] You want to portmanteau it

[00:34:57] Yeah that's cool

[00:34:58] He has of course

[00:34:59] Graduates to different titles

[00:35:00] Over the course of different miniseries

[00:35:02] Prusa Ben Kenove

[00:35:03] Kyloban

[00:35:04] Ben Aitramalan

[00:35:06] Ben Sey

[00:35:07] And of course

[00:35:09] Regrettably Benny Lane

[00:35:12] Yeah not a fan

[00:35:14] But hey whatever

[00:35:15] The fans that's what they want

[00:35:16] Benny Lane that's his name

[00:35:18] Hello

[00:35:19] Yeah

[00:35:20] Benny Lane

[00:35:21] The thing about this intro

[00:35:23] As it gets longer and longer

[00:35:25] The comment that I'm about to make is so stupid

[00:35:27] And it really builds up

[00:35:28] I know to me that's the funny thing

[00:35:30] You're like hey I just wanted to say one thing

[00:35:31] And we're like oh it's Ben

[00:35:33] He's gonna say something

[00:35:35] Well

[00:35:36] And I want to research that he is our finest

[00:35:37] Film critic

[00:35:38] I am

[00:35:39] I'm really good with that stuff

[00:35:42] How many apples do you give it?

[00:35:44] I give it

[00:35:46] I'm a Rosen scale

[00:35:48] Yeah I'm gonna give it

[00:35:49] Neil Rosen

[00:35:50] I'm gonna give it two and a half

[00:35:53] Oh damn

[00:35:54] I got chomped in apple

[00:35:55] Are those

[00:35:56] Are the apples wormy

[00:35:57] Or are they maintained pure apples

[00:35:59] Good call

[00:36:00] Good call

[00:36:01] I'll say

[00:36:02] I'll say one's wormy

[00:36:03] Okay

[00:36:04] And one is non-organic

[00:36:06] Oh interesting

[00:36:07] We're talking Granny Smith, Macintosh

[00:36:09] Yeah I'm gonna go with Granny Smith

[00:36:10] Cause this leaves a little bit of a tart

[00:36:12] I'm gonna taste it in my mouth

[00:36:14] Did you have a point to make Ben?

[00:36:16] The Mealy Apple's a Macintosh

[00:36:18] It's a Mealy Apple

[00:36:20] And then the half eaten one

[00:36:22] Let's say is a Pink Lady

[00:36:24] A Pink Lady

[00:36:25] Oh yeah

[00:36:26] Those are really good

[00:36:27] They're from Australia

[00:36:28] Yeah

[00:36:29] Ben what was your point you wanted to make

[00:36:30] Oh yeah

[00:36:31] As a bald man

[00:36:32] Ed Harris is looking real fine

[00:36:35] I think I'm gonna go for an Ed Harris kinda look

[00:36:38] Has Ed Harris

[00:36:39] You should go for Ed Harris

[00:36:40] He's still got that ha-colored hair

[00:36:42] Like you got the horseshoe but it's got

[00:36:44] It's like ha-colored

[00:36:45] I did have that thought watching this

[00:36:47] Where like

[00:36:48] Did Ed Harris ever have a full head of hair on film

[00:36:50] Or did he pretty much hit like already

[00:36:52] I don't think I ever remember that

[00:36:54] And I was watching him in this

[00:36:56] And I was like

[00:36:57] He would actually look bad with hair

[00:36:59] I think he's one of the few

[00:37:01] His head is so perfectly shaped

[00:37:03] And I think his face would look small

[00:37:05] If he had hair

[00:37:06] Yeah he does have a tiny little lemon face

[00:37:08] He's got a tiny little lemon face

[00:37:10] Lemon face Harris

[00:37:12] What did Ed Harris do before this

[00:37:14] What was like the direct lead up into this

[00:37:16] Movie for him

[00:37:17] Well I was about to give you some Harris

[00:37:19] I was gonna get

[00:37:20] So he's

[00:37:21] That's Antonio's on a roll

[00:37:22] Bean is Cameron's guy

[00:37:23] You know so he's in some stuff

[00:37:25] And then I feel he's in like

[00:37:26] Night Riders and like weird shit in the

[00:37:28] Early 80s

[00:37:29] Then he's in The Right Stuff

[00:37:30] Which he's fantastic

[00:37:31] Oh right

[00:37:32] That's 83

[00:37:33] As John Glenn

[00:37:34] Yeah

[00:37:35] And then

[00:37:36] He has again that movie was notably a big flop

[00:37:38] But he's phenomenal

[00:37:39] Big flop but

[00:37:40] He didn't get an Oscar nomination did he

[00:37:42] But he really deserved it

[00:37:43] I think Sam Shepard's the only one who got the nomination

[00:37:45] But you know whatever

[00:37:46] Then he's in

[00:37:47] He's in Swing Shift

[00:37:48] He's in Places in the Heart

[00:37:49] That's like a big roll

[00:37:50] With Sally Field

[00:37:51] Yeah

[00:37:52] And she wins an Oscar

[00:37:53] He's kinda not

[00:37:55] He's kinda just coming up

[00:37:56] But this is

[00:37:57] I mean this is a big

[00:37:58] He's in that movie that Alex Cox movie

[00:38:00] Walker

[00:38:01] Oh right

[00:38:02] Which is a cult hit

[00:38:03] But certainly not a big

[00:38:04] He's in Jackknife with the

[00:38:05] Oh yeah

[00:38:06] Bobby D

[00:38:07] He's like the second lead in that

[00:38:09] The sort of Vietnam

[00:38:10] The angry Vietnam vet movie

[00:38:11] But this was definitely a big step to make him

[00:38:13] The lead of a sci-fi temple

[00:38:15] Like that was an unconventional choice

[00:38:17] Glenn Gary Glenn Ross

[00:38:19] That is that

[00:38:20] Was he in Glenn Gary?

[00:38:21] I think that's the year after

[00:38:22] He is in it

[00:38:23] But I think that's the year after

[00:38:24] Right

[00:38:25] Glenn Gary Glenn Ross is 92

[00:38:26] Oh no he's not the boss

[00:38:27] Kevin Spaces the boss who gets pissed on

[00:38:29] Yeah he's the hothead

[00:38:30] He's the Ed Harris type

[00:38:31] And Glenn Gary Glenn Ross

[00:38:32] Yeah

[00:38:33] After this he's in like state of grace

[00:38:35] Then he's in Glenn Gary Glenn Ross

[00:38:36] He's in the firm

[00:38:37] He gets fucking four Academy Award nominations

[00:38:40] Hidalgo

[00:38:41] Well that's a lot later

[00:38:43] Hidalgo

[00:38:44] Josh was just doing the math in his head

[00:38:46] To double check that he was correct

[00:38:47] Bones Tom Hawk Hidalgo

[00:38:49] I don't even know if he was in Bones Tom Hawk

[00:38:51] Apollo 13 is when he

[00:38:52] I feel like is just cemented as like

[00:38:54] What's that about

[00:38:55] One of our finest heroes

[00:38:57] So good in there

[00:38:58] Have you seen the first 12 Apollo's?

[00:39:00] No

[00:39:01] Yeah it was a sequel to that

[00:39:02] Oh okay

[00:39:04] That's his first nomination

[00:39:06] Right

[00:39:07] That is his

[00:39:08] I think his first Oscar nomination

[00:39:10] He's nominated for that Truman Show

[00:39:12] The Hours

[00:39:13] Right

[00:39:14] And I feel like there's another one

[00:39:15] I think there's a fourth one

[00:39:16] But I'm forgetting what it is

[00:39:18] Did you say Pollock?

[00:39:20] Oh he's not my best actor from Pollock

[00:39:22] From Pollock that's right

[00:39:23] Yes he's nominated for best actor

[00:39:24] Yeah but that's it

[00:39:25] Apollo 13 set in space

[00:39:27] So you know how they do that with franchises

[00:39:29] They eventually put them in space

[00:39:30] Yeah the 13th one they finally go to space

[00:39:32] It was Apollo 1 teen

[00:39:34] Apollo preteen

[00:39:35] Apollo Pantene

[00:39:37] I got Apollo trustees

[00:39:39] Five hundred points

[00:39:41] Out of a loop

[00:39:42] Yeah but he's never won an Oscar

[00:39:44] Which is a crying shame

[00:39:46] And it's also interesting

[00:39:47] He should have won for Apollo 13

[00:39:48] It's interesting that he had a good run

[00:39:49] Of stuff in the 80s right

[00:39:50] Yeah

[00:39:51] And he's done good work since then

[00:39:52] But he has four nominations all within

[00:39:54] Like 1991 to 2000

[00:39:56] 2003 is his last one

[00:39:58] Or 2002

[00:39:59] 1995 to 2002 are his four

[00:40:01] Oh he never won

[00:40:02] Okay never won

[00:40:03] So it's less than 10 years

[00:40:04] He gets four nominations

[00:40:05] Sure

[00:40:06] And he could get another one

[00:40:08] I feel like he's

[00:40:09] I think if they do an Apollo Ovalteen

[00:40:10] I think he might actually

[00:40:11] That's the one

[00:40:12] I think Apollo Ovalteen

[00:40:14] He's just won

[00:40:15] Oh boy

[00:40:17] I think that's a must have

[00:40:18] He's settled into a bit of a boring groove

[00:40:21] Yeah

[00:40:22] Like you know like

[00:40:24] He's great in Snowpiercer

[00:40:26] Sure

[00:40:27] But like and he's really good in Westworld

[00:40:29] Which is out right now

[00:40:30] And like he you know

[00:40:31] But it's all these sort of like

[00:40:33] I don't know

[00:40:34] Reserved kind of old guys

[00:40:36] Who are haunted

[00:40:37] And they only have like a couple big scenes

[00:40:39] You know I don't know

[00:40:41] Controllers

[00:40:42] You know all that shit

[00:40:43] Yeah let's put Ed in a corner

[00:40:44] Shoot him out in two days

[00:40:45] And have the least amount of yelling

[00:40:47] I think is how they look at it

[00:40:49] I do think

[00:40:50] That's what they do with these older guys

[00:40:51] Oh yeah

[00:40:52] That's what they do with

[00:40:53] I worked with John Hurd

[00:40:54] That's what you do with John Hurd now

[00:40:55] Not that he's anywhere close to Harris

[00:40:57] But you put old grumpy dudes in a corner

[00:40:59] Shoot them out

[00:41:00] Shoot him out

[00:41:01] You put him one location

[00:41:02] Ah do I get to wear a cool wig?

[00:41:04] I do think there's something where like

[00:41:06] He's one of those guys

[00:41:07] And this happens to a lot of characters

[00:41:08] Like that where they'll get like

[00:41:09] A stack up of a bunch of Oscar donations

[00:41:11] A short period of time

[00:41:12] Yeah

[00:41:13] Never happens again right

[00:41:14] They like never get the eventual win

[00:41:16] And the nominations stop happening

[00:41:17] And I think he is

[00:41:19] So consistent

[00:41:21] That we really do like kind of take him for granted

[00:41:23] Like you look at something like Snowpiercer

[00:41:25] And it's like well that's had Harris

[00:41:26] Of course had Harris is great

[00:41:27] He's doing the thing he does well

[00:41:28] He's good, he's a good actor

[00:41:29] Yeah

[00:41:30] But if that was like a performance

[00:41:31] From a guy you hadn't seen

[00:41:32] Before he'd be like

[00:41:33] Who the fuck is this guy?

[00:41:35] Like if you know

[00:41:36] Yeah that's for sure

[00:41:37] Or if it was even coming from

[00:41:38] Like an actor you hadn't seen do that before

[00:41:41] But I think like

[00:41:42] He's never really given a bad performance

[00:41:44] No

[00:41:45] And even when he does

[00:41:46] He does a lot of paycheck stuff

[00:41:47] You know he'll be the heavy

[00:41:48] And a lot of shit

[00:41:49] You know

[00:41:50] He'll be a heavy

[00:41:51] He's happy to do

[00:41:52] He's like fucking great in

[00:41:53] You know but it's just like

[00:41:54] Well they should

[00:41:55] It showed up

[00:41:56] They paid him five million dollars

[00:41:57] He did his work

[00:41:58] They shot him out

[00:41:59] He's in pain and gain

[00:42:00] I barely even remember him himself

[00:42:01] He's like really good in all these movies

[00:42:02] But he does a lot of movies

[00:42:03] That aren't as good as he is

[00:42:04] You know

[00:42:05] Yeah

[00:42:06] And he does good work in them

[00:42:07] He should direct another movie

[00:42:08] Pollock is good

[00:42:09] Yeah he did a Beethoven movie

[00:42:11] I think

[00:42:12] That barely got released

[00:42:13] And he like

[00:42:14] Went on a whole public tirade

[00:42:15] About like United artists

[00:42:16] Have fucked them over

[00:42:17] On the movie

[00:42:18] Oh yeah copying Beethoven

[00:42:19] Yeah

[00:42:20] But he didn't direct that

[00:42:21] Oh he didn't?

[00:42:22] No

[00:42:23] I think he directed one other movie

[00:42:24] After Pollock

[00:42:25] Am I wrong about that?

[00:42:26] The postman always rings twice

[00:42:28] No that was

[00:42:29] That's the niggle some money

[00:42:30] He did postman always rings thrice

[00:42:31] That's right

[00:42:32] Because I thought he also did

[00:42:34] The postman always things mice

[00:42:36] And I know it doesn't make sense

[00:42:38] But I know he tried to get off the ground

[00:42:40] It was

[00:42:41] Yes it was sort of

[00:42:42] A more of a non-narrative

[00:42:43] Impressionistic version

[00:42:44] Right

[00:42:45] He did direct another movie

[00:42:46] Okay

[00:42:47] He directed

[00:42:48] Apollosa

[00:42:49] Apollosa

[00:42:50] That's what you were thinking

[00:42:51] How many apples do you think that got?

[00:42:52] Apollosa

[00:42:53] Apollosa was probably like

[00:42:54] Three out of four

[00:42:55] That's like an open range

[00:42:56] I just want to say

[00:42:57] That has Vigo in it as well

[00:42:59] Right

[00:43:00] Who I feel like he loves Vigo

[00:43:01] I think they are both sort of

[00:43:03] Like erasable

[00:43:04] Like give it all

[00:43:05] Hyper masculine

[00:43:06] It also has

[00:43:07] I have to look up Hidalgo

[00:43:08] Because I don't know where that came from

[00:43:10] I think he's in Hidalgo

[00:43:12] I think you're right about that

[00:43:13] Vigo Mortensen is

[00:43:14] Is the lead

[00:43:15] I think Harris is a supporting

[00:43:17] Antagonist in that

[00:43:18] Oh, Mar-Sharif is in that

[00:43:20] I think it's just similar

[00:43:21] Because Vigo is in it and it's a western

[00:43:23] Oh Hidalgo?

[00:43:24] Are you talking about Hidalgo right now?

[00:43:25] Yeah

[00:43:26] Is that Harrison Hidalgo?

[00:43:27] Oh I don't know if he's in it

[00:43:28] No he's not

[00:43:29] Fuck

[00:43:30] But he saw it

[00:43:31] He did see it

[00:43:32] But he's in Apollosa with Vigo

[00:43:33] That's why he didn't

[00:43:34] Hidalgo was Vigo's big star movie

[00:43:36] After Lord of the Rings

[00:43:37] Right

[00:43:38] Kind of

[00:43:39] You know

[00:43:40] Did okay

[00:43:41] It was like a hundred million dollars of Johnson

[00:43:42] Big fucking crazy movie

[00:43:43] Anyway

[00:43:44] Can I just say something before we get off

[00:43:45] The subject of Apollosa

[00:43:46] Sure

[00:43:47] I get bummed out when I see movies that are that

[00:43:51] Transparently just begging for apples from

[00:43:53] Neil Rosen

[00:43:54] You know what I'm saying

[00:43:55] Like if you're fucking modifying your title

[00:43:57] Just to get a good Apple score

[00:43:59] That's a little sad

[00:44:01] Indeed

[00:44:04] So the abyss came out in 1989

[00:44:06] He was the voice in gravity

[00:44:08] Right, oh yeah

[00:44:09] Yeah well that's like a little Apollo 13 joke

[00:44:11] But the film is not successful

[00:44:13] It does I think 90 million worldwide on

[00:44:15] 70 million dollar budget

[00:44:17] Was released in the middle of the summer

[00:44:18] They thought it was going to be a big

[00:44:20] Blockbuster and it opened at number two

[00:44:21] It was released in August

[00:44:22] Which is the later end of the summer

[00:44:24] So maybe they had some inkling like

[00:44:26] Okay we shouldn't put this up against the

[00:44:27] Biggest players

[00:44:28] But I'll say August is also historically

[00:44:31] Auggie doggy is when you release

[00:44:33] Like kind of your more like serious minded

[00:44:35] I suppose

[00:44:36] Adult blockbuster

[00:44:37] You know it's that you're sophisticated

[00:44:38] You're sort of

[00:44:39] You're green grasses

[00:44:40] You've tipped your hat three times

[00:44:41] You've tipped your imagination

[00:44:42] You've tipped your imagination

[00:44:43] Three times

[00:44:44] It's a born in October

[00:44:46] I mean he made

[00:44:47] Aliens like yeah

[00:44:48] He's making a big sci-fi movie again

[00:44:50] Like of course they thought it was going to be

[00:44:52] I mean yes the actors are not

[00:44:54] But Mary Elizabeth master Antonio was pretty big

[00:44:56] Yes

[00:44:57] Most of all

[00:44:58] Yeah no she's a pretty slight one

[00:45:00] I want to work with Ed Harris now

[00:45:05] My heart is not big enough for my body

[00:45:07] Mary can you

[00:45:08] Mary action

[00:45:09] Hi how are you

[00:45:10] She's completely changed

[00:45:12] She's Ant-Man

[00:45:15] But the heart just doesn't change shape

[00:45:17] My heart just doesn't change shape

[00:45:18] She's the opposite of the grandmothers

[00:45:20] I do think you know

[00:45:23] The other thing with the August is like this

[00:45:25] This movie is very much a movie for grownups

[00:45:28] Like this is not a movie a kid would ever want to watch

[00:45:31] It's not R rated

[00:45:33] But it should be

[00:45:34] It's what divorce dads took their daughters to

[00:45:37] This is a movie about getting divorced

[00:45:40] Hey Amy you want to go see a bite

[00:45:43] So get your cherry soda

[00:45:45] It's a real dad movie too

[00:45:47] Total fucking dad

[00:45:49] You know it's like John Q second grace

[00:45:51] That guy loved Abyss

[00:45:53] That character you're probably

[00:45:55] In that widely seen film

[00:45:58] John Q Zach in Grace loved the Abyss

[00:46:01] That's the only divorced father character

[00:46:03] Isn't he a widower?

[00:46:05] Divorced by death

[00:46:07] The greatest divorce of all

[00:46:08] Coming at CW 11

[00:46:11] Cause for divorce Grim Reaper

[00:46:14] Just Patrick Warburton shrugging

[00:46:16] She was divorced from this mortal plane

[00:46:18] Patrick Warburton placed the Grim Reaper

[00:46:20] With a suit that's just shrugging

[00:46:22] I don't know

[00:46:23] We're going so deep up our asses on this one

[00:46:25] It's fine

[00:46:26] Like the Abyss we're doing in Deep Dive

[00:46:28] I just think yeah this is a movie that like

[00:46:30] Is very

[00:46:32] I think it's interesting that James Cameron

[00:46:34] Only gets broader after this film

[00:46:37] This is like his most sort of mature

[00:46:39] Serious minded movie

[00:46:41] You know

[00:46:42] It's very long

[00:46:43] It's very obsessed with process

[00:46:45] It's about characters who cannot express their own emotions

[00:46:47] It is

[00:46:48] It's also like angry at like the state of the world

[00:46:52] But in a sort of undirected way

[00:46:54] That's not like

[00:46:55] It doesn't clearly really express it

[00:46:57] Except for very like basic

[00:46:59] We should all not

[00:47:01] Nuke each other

[00:47:02] Sort of I guess

[00:47:03] Which you know I agree with

[00:47:04] Sure

[00:47:05] Yeah good point Jim

[00:47:06] I guess so

[00:47:07] Yeah I agree

[00:47:08] Good job

[00:47:09] So the cold war in the Russians

[00:47:11] The first hour of this movie is the really haunted hour

[00:47:14] Where like it has that whole long sequence

[00:47:16] Where they're exploring the crash sub

[00:47:17] And there's all the corpses floating around

[00:47:19] It's just so grim

[00:47:20] This movie just has this pallor over it

[00:47:22] Where you can see how Fox was like

[00:47:23] Okay this is a big blockbuster

[00:47:24] Sure

[00:47:25] But this is an adult play

[00:47:26] Like this isn't like a family

[00:47:27] Like have fun at the summer blockbuster

[00:47:29] Sort of multiplex kind of movie

[00:47:31] This is like we're going to engage the minds

[00:47:34] Of like sort of turned on grownups

[00:47:36] On action a crab will crawl out of your mouth underwater

[00:47:38] Actor number three

[00:47:39] Right

[00:47:40] You know this is like

[00:47:41] You know that's what it is

[00:47:42] And it takes a long time for like

[00:47:43] Sort of the big flashy like

[00:47:45] Popcorn visuals to happen

[00:47:47] And even when they do they're sad

[00:47:49] Like it's a sad

[00:47:50] But it was a better payoff than contact

[00:47:52] Like at least you got a glowing butterfly alien

[00:47:54] Out of it not David Morse

[00:47:55] Like I think

[00:47:56] Yeah

[00:47:57] At least there was a little bit more

[00:47:58] I agree

[00:47:59] And they typed to each other

[00:48:00] Which was a thing

[00:48:01] And the effects on David Morse were really bad

[00:48:02] They hadn't perfected David Morse yet

[00:48:03] So he didn't quite look photorealistic

[00:48:05] Right right right

[00:48:06] They didn't quite Simone David Morse yet

[00:48:08] Because there are a couple scenes where it's clearly

[00:48:09] Like a stop motion puppet

[00:48:10] And there's an animatronic

[00:48:12] In fact this is a clip from the original screen test

[00:48:14] For four contact with David Morse

[00:48:17] Halle Jolly Flaster

[00:48:18] Halle Jolly Flaster

[00:48:20] Halle Jolly Flaster

[00:48:21] Okay we have to shut it off

[00:48:22] They couldn't get him to learn a character's name

[00:48:24] That was the biggest problem was

[00:48:25] He kept on referring to the actors by name

[00:48:27] Well the facial recognition was

[00:48:28] I have to call her by her real name

[00:48:29] Because he had seen the accused

[00:48:30] Of course he knew Jodie Foster

[00:48:31] He'd already seen Mel

[00:48:33] And he had to call her real name

[00:48:35] I ducked out and I don't know what's happening

[00:48:37] Identified Jodie Flaster

[00:48:39] Actress

[00:48:40] I like contacts

[00:48:41] And we're back

[00:48:42] I dug that clip up for you guys

[00:48:43] Thank you

[00:48:44] You like contacts?

[00:48:45] I like contact too

[00:48:46] I like both of these movies

[00:48:47] I think they're very similar

[00:48:48] I saw Arrival the same day

[00:48:50] That I saw this movie

[00:48:52] Which is excellent

[00:48:53] Arrival is good

[00:48:54] But it's very similar to this movie

[00:48:57] In theme not in presentation

[00:48:59] That's Dennis Villanuele anything?

[00:49:00] Dennis Villanuele

[00:49:02] I like that guy

[00:49:03] I love him

[00:49:04] I didn't see the anime

[00:49:05] But I heard about this guy

[00:49:06] You would love him

[00:49:07] I like that guy

[00:49:09] And I think this movie is me

[00:49:11] Thinking alright

[00:49:12] He's got the goods

[00:49:13] Before then I'd always been like

[00:49:14] Oh I like your style

[00:49:15] Arrival is satisfying

[00:49:17] It's satisfying

[00:49:18] It's very sad

[00:49:20] That's what I like to hear

[00:49:22] I like my sci-fi

[00:49:23] Because they sacrifice a goat

[00:49:25] To a hand or whatever

[00:49:26] To a hand alien

[00:49:29] Yes

[00:49:31] There's a thing

[00:49:32] This and contact are very similar movies

[00:49:34] In that they were like directors

[00:49:35] Coming off a huge mainstream

[00:49:37] For quadrant successes

[00:49:39] Doing serious mindings

[00:49:41] Time to do my talkie

[00:49:42] Right and it's like this is my

[00:49:43] Serious technical sci-fi movie

[00:49:46] Even when aliens come in to both films

[00:49:48] It's not very fantastical

[00:49:50] The abyss gets there

[00:49:52] In the last 10 minutes

[00:49:54] And I guess contact does at the beach

[00:49:56] But other than that it's like

[00:49:57] World hard sci-fi sort of stuff

[00:49:59] Serious minded actors

[00:50:01] And this is honestly barely a sci-fi movie

[00:50:04] Because the sci-fi part of it is like

[00:50:06] Well there's some aliens

[00:50:08] And they don't really

[00:50:09] Oh they must have to live underwater

[00:50:10] Like on their planet

[00:50:12] Are you guys privy to this longer cut

[00:50:14] Where the aliens were more malevolent

[00:50:15] And controlling the waves

[00:50:17] And we're gonna flood us all

[00:50:18] I didn't even put that together

[00:50:20] That's on the cvd

[00:50:21] That's the cut that I watched

[00:50:23] I didn't even put that together

[00:50:24] I guess I just never saw that version

[00:50:26] I think it's like a cut

[00:50:27] Which is like half an hour longer

[00:50:28] Also includes at the beginning

[00:50:29] A lot more talk about like the Soviets

[00:50:31] Right at the end of the world

[00:50:33] Just to sort of set that up

[00:50:36] That was all cut out of the shorter

[00:50:38] He only had final cut on this movie

[00:50:40] If it was 2 hours and 15 minutes long

[00:50:42] That's why

[00:50:43] Anyway, Jesus

[00:50:44] But I do think like you look at this

[00:50:46] In contact and both films were like

[00:50:48] Very hyped up

[00:50:49] Kind of met with like

[00:50:51] Yeah it's pretty good from the critics

[00:50:53] Didn't really do that well financially

[00:50:54] Certainly made no Oscar imprint

[00:50:56] And then both I think have kind of

[00:50:58] Gain steam over time

[00:50:59] And I think the difference between this

[00:51:00] In contact is

[00:51:01] Contact is a little glossier

[00:51:03] Yeah

[00:51:04] In a way that I think hurts

[00:51:05] It's serious minded ambitions

[00:51:06] But yes

[00:51:07] This movie is very steeped

[00:51:08] Into sort of this pallor of like

[00:51:10] Work a day

[00:51:11] Fucking sad sad

[00:51:12] Yeah well he likes Roughnecks

[00:51:13] He likes you know

[00:51:14] Blue collar

[00:51:15] He likes the guys who are

[00:51:16] Trailers

[00:51:17] But I'd say this is the roughest

[00:51:18] He's gone

[00:51:19] I mean I think it's kind of like

[00:51:20] Yeah

[00:51:21] You compared this to Avatar

[00:51:22] Certainly you know

[00:51:23] Like Roughnecks movie

[00:51:24] And that's when you're going like

[00:51:25] Really really broad with it

[00:51:26] And this he's really steeped in like

[00:51:27] It just fucking sucks for them

[00:51:29] Like all these guys like look shitty

[00:51:30] And they smell bad

[00:51:31] And they're sad

[00:51:32] Yeah it's good

[00:51:33] You know?

[00:51:34] The ensemble is good

[00:51:35] One of them has a pet fucking rat

[00:51:36] And you're sad

[00:51:37] What a weirdo

[00:51:38] Shit

[00:51:39] She gets so worried about the rat

[00:51:40] But I'd also say this is like

[00:51:41] Weirdly kind of his least

[00:51:43] Emotional movie

[00:51:45] Like it's so bottled

[00:51:46] I don't know about that

[00:51:47] This is a pretty emotional movie

[00:51:48] At the end

[00:51:49] I think it pops at the very end

[00:51:51] The resuscitation was the only thing

[00:51:52] I mean I was actually

[00:51:53] I saw it on a plane recently

[00:51:55] Because I thought why not

[00:51:56] It's the length of time to get to Los Angeles

[00:51:59] I love a long movie on a plane for that very reason

[00:52:01] You know what?

[00:52:02] I'm going to watch this whole movie

[00:52:03] And then we're almost going to be landing

[00:52:04] Yeah and also type

[00:52:05] I once watched Avatar twice

[00:52:07] On a plane to London

[00:52:08] For that very reason

[00:52:09] I was like two avatars

[00:52:10] Is going to get me to London

[00:52:11] And it did

[00:52:12] I took a trip

[00:52:13] I flew to Australia once

[00:52:15] Oh my god

[00:52:16] Which is crazy

[00:52:17] I did it when I was like

[00:52:18] It was like nine avatars

[00:52:19] It was like nine avatars

[00:52:20] It was a bunch of avatars

[00:52:21] Yeah and they didn't even have avatars at the time

[00:52:23] So they were saying that

[00:52:24] And the measurement of time made no sense

[00:52:26] I went

[00:52:27] One of my best friends from middle school moved to Australia

[00:52:29] And I went to Australia

[00:52:31] And stayed with his family

[00:52:32] For like a couple weeks

[00:52:33] Which was really fun

[00:52:34] But flew to Australia by myself

[00:52:36] I was in coach

[00:52:38] With the rest of coach

[00:52:40] Had been bought out by like a school trip

[00:52:42] It was like a college

[00:52:43] Oh god

[00:52:44] So I was like literally

[00:52:45] In the middle seat

[00:52:46] In the middle aisle

[00:52:47] In the middle of coach

[00:52:49] Surrounded by like 20 something

[00:52:51] And I was like 13 or 14

[00:52:53] And they were all like high-fiving each other

[00:52:54] And doing whatever

[00:52:55] And they like played like you know

[00:52:57] Eight movies or whatever

[00:52:58] Over the course of the flight

[00:52:59] And I remember that it was just like

[00:53:01] I would sleep during different parts of the flight

[00:53:03] And whenever I would wake up

[00:53:04] The movie I had wanted to be awake for

[00:53:06] Had just ended

[00:53:07] And then like the shitty movie would start

[00:53:09] And twice I woke up

[00:53:11] And they were playing League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

[00:53:13] They played it twice on one flight

[00:53:14] What a nightmare

[00:53:15] Like they were like

[00:53:16] Your in-flight movies are going to be

[00:53:17] Runaway Jury, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

[00:53:19] G. Lee, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

[00:53:21] It was the only one that was repeated

[00:53:23] But they just screened League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

[00:53:26] Two times within eight hours

[00:53:28] God

[00:53:29] I've never seen that movie

[00:53:30] From New York to Orlando

[00:53:32] You can watch three episodes of House Hunters

[00:53:36] On The Garden Network

[00:53:38] Is that with ads or not

[00:53:40] Is that like a you know 22 minutes

[00:53:42] 22 minutes

[00:53:43] Oh yeah with ads

[00:53:45] Yeah

[00:53:46] Okay so you could probably fit four in if you're watching on like an iTunes

[00:53:49] And you have 22 minutes

[00:53:50] That is true

[00:53:51] I use the provided TVs on JetBlue

[00:53:53] But if you've got it

[00:53:55] If you've got access

[00:53:56] If you've got it flaunted

[00:53:57] Is that what you would say Ben

[00:53:58] Absolutely

[00:53:59] I say that all the time

[00:54:00] Also Curb Appeals a good show

[00:54:01] From here to Dubai is

[00:54:02] 91 high maintenance web videos

[00:54:05] Yeah you can watch the entire

[00:54:07] Web series three times

[00:54:09] You can watch all of college humor originals

[00:54:11] To get to Philippines

[00:54:14] How many originals do you think

[00:54:15] Cause now they like list them on IMDB

[00:54:17] As if it was a TV show

[00:54:19] Like every short you guys ever did

[00:54:21] Oh my God

[00:54:22] Is it like nine hundred

[00:54:23] You've got as many credits as at Harris

[00:54:25] Yeah you have as many credits as at Harris

[00:54:26] Just from doing that many college humor originals

[00:54:28] But you know it's sectioned like a TV show

[00:54:31] The show is college humor

[00:54:33] You know 2,000 episodes

[00:54:35] Right

[00:54:36] That's the thing cause I have like

[00:54:37] Three episodes of college humor originals

[00:54:39] Which makes it seem like

[00:54:40] You played George R. R. Martin a lot

[00:54:42] I do

[00:54:43] Yeah

[00:54:44] And I know you just

[00:54:45] It credits you as mostly George R. R. Martin

[00:54:47] But the George R. R. Martin I do

[00:54:48] On college humor to get on a tangent

[00:54:50] Is basically Charles Durnan

[00:54:52] Yeah I think we could use a tangent

[00:54:53] It's been a little while

[00:54:54] Yeah exactly

[00:54:55] Oh that's your Charles Durnan impression

[00:54:56] I think it's

[00:54:57] I've just realized like

[00:54:58] I didn't even look up

[00:55:00] Give us a little

[00:55:01] I didn't even look up George R

[00:55:02] But it was like

[00:55:03] You know he talks like this

[00:55:04] And I also don't know anything about

[00:55:06] Game of Thrones

[00:55:07] I don't know any of the names

[00:55:08] That's better

[00:55:09] Targaryen and the dragons

[00:55:11] He talks like this

[00:55:12] And he talks about things

[00:55:13] You know but you could very easily say

[00:55:15] Get a job sister Lamaski

[00:55:17] That's got a job sir

[00:55:18] That's a very good

[00:55:19] What makes him

[00:55:20] Durning and I had never heard

[00:55:21] Anyone do a durning before

[00:55:22] Durning sir

[00:55:23] Maybe I should do that for my snatch tap

[00:55:24] 100%

[00:55:25] Looking for a new one

[00:55:26] All the people that know durning

[00:55:28] Follow it with a Richard Griffiths

[00:55:31] Who's also fat and died

[00:55:33] But not British

[00:55:34] Let's do all the great dead fat guys

[00:55:36] Hey it's Finchera

[00:55:38] Oh my goodness

[00:55:40] Oh my goodness Ace

[00:55:41] Oh my goodness the history boys

[00:55:43] He always would lead in the title

[00:55:45] Of a movie with oh my goodness

[00:55:47] Oh my goodness Finchera too

[00:55:51] Have you ever seen that TV show

[00:55:53] I ask you because I know you lived in England

[00:55:55] There was like a TV show

[00:55:56] By the way we're talking about the Abyss

[00:55:58] 1989

[00:55:59] Do you ever see that TV show

[00:56:00] James Cameron

[00:56:01] Do you ever see that TV show

[00:56:02] That was like

[00:56:03] Richard Griffiths is a detective

[00:56:06] Who starts a meat pie shop

[00:56:08] No I have not seen this TV show

[00:56:09] But then they come to him and they're like

[00:56:11] Dude no one's as good as you

[00:56:12] And he's like look I'll do one more case

[00:56:14] But I want to make the meat pie

[00:56:15] And he's licking his fingers for six minutes

[00:56:17] It's called Pie in the Sky

[00:56:19] He runs a meat pie shop

[00:56:20] Half of each episode is about meat pie shit

[00:56:23] I remember seeing the trailers for it on some

[00:56:25] Like BBC DVD I had

[00:56:26] Maybe like a mighty bush DVD or something

[00:56:28] This was happening when I was just mooting

[00:56:30] This is like mid 90s show

[00:56:32] I never heard of this

[00:56:33] But there's this

[00:56:34] I've heard of Rosemary in Time

[00:56:35] And I even saw Rosemary in Time

[00:56:37] In which there was about two gardener women

[00:56:40] Who were in their 60s who also solved murders

[00:56:43] Rosemary in Time

[00:56:44] That's a great title

[00:56:45] I'm gonna misquote this

[00:56:47] But it's a moment I

[00:56:48] Whenever I first saw this trailer on DVD

[00:56:50] I rewound it and watched it like six times

[00:56:52] In a row

[00:56:53] And it's something I found so funny

[00:56:54] I've never been able to like

[00:56:56] Bond with anyone else over this

[00:56:58] 40 episodes of Pie in the Sky

[00:57:00] Do you know what these are called by the way

[00:57:02] Just to give you

[00:57:03] This is an actual term for this genre

[00:57:05] There's lots of these kinds of shows in Britain

[00:57:07] How good is that poster too?

[00:57:08] They're called Cozy Mysteries

[00:57:09] Cozy Mysteries?

[00:57:10] They are

[00:57:11] No

[00:57:12] It's basically it's like

[00:57:13] Mystery shows where like

[00:57:14] Don't worry there's not

[00:57:15] There's not gonna be any funny business

[00:57:16] There's no sex stuff here

[00:57:17] Oh my god

[00:57:18] So I'm gonna misquote this

[00:57:19] But there's a part where they ask him

[00:57:21] At the end of like the

[00:57:22] This DVD trailer they play

[00:57:24] And the song they play

[00:57:25] The theme song is so funny

[00:57:26] Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da

[00:57:30] It's just like jaunty jazz kind of thing

[00:57:32] But um

[00:57:33] He's they go like

[00:57:34] What is it you know

[00:57:35] It draws you back to mysteries

[00:57:36] And he's like

[00:57:37] Well I just love when all the elements come together

[00:57:39] And one moment where it all makes perfect sense

[00:57:41] Oh no it doesn't say

[00:57:42] And what the chef from the background goes like

[00:57:44] Like cooking and he goes

[00:57:45] Yes exactly

[00:57:49] Like he's realizing for the first time

[00:57:51] That his two passions are

[00:57:52] One of the same

[00:57:54] You'd think that I'm showing you

[00:57:55] Two posters

[00:57:56] Oh my god

[00:57:57] But this is

[00:57:59] The same fucking

[00:58:01] There's literally a poster

[00:58:03] Within the poster I guess

[00:58:05] Well because it's the poster for his meat shop

[00:58:07] Yeah

[00:58:08] His meat pie shop

[00:58:09] Oh my god

[00:58:10] This feels like a good time to announce that our next miniseries

[00:58:11] Is gonna be going through every episode of pie in the sky

[00:58:13] Yeah we're not gonna do that

[00:58:14] So in 1989 James Cameron made the abyss

[00:58:16] So the abyss is a movie

[00:58:17] Yeah

[00:58:18] It's about an abyss

[00:58:19] Yeah

[00:58:20] In the sea

[00:58:21] Yeah

[00:58:22] Uh

[00:58:23] There's a submarine it crashes

[00:58:24] That's the beginning of the movie

[00:58:25] Crazy submarine crash

[00:58:26] One of the main guys

[00:58:27] Who keeps on going like

[00:58:28] Sir it's getting closer or whatever

[00:58:29] Looked so much like Michael B. Jordan

[00:58:31] That had kept on throwing me off

[00:58:32] Interesting

[00:58:33] He looks like identical to Michael B. Jordan

[00:58:35] I think I picked up on that

[00:58:36] I think his name is like Michael Beach or something

[00:58:37] And present day

[00:58:38] Oh it's Michael Beach

[00:58:39] Is it Michael B.

[00:58:40] That's a real actor

[00:58:41] He's a real actor

[00:58:42] I'm gonna look it up now

[00:58:43] I didn't look at his other credits

[00:58:44] I'm sure I've seen him in other stuff

[00:58:45] He looks totally different in this movie

[00:58:47] Than he looks today

[00:58:48] But looks identical to Michael B. Jordan

[00:58:50] Has the same Michael B. Jordan mustache

[00:58:52] Really?

[00:58:53] Like the shape of their face

[00:58:54] It's also he's mostly shot

[00:58:55] Michael B. Jordan's in this movie

[00:58:56] It's Michael B.

[00:58:57] He's mostly shot in profile

[00:58:58] So I don't know if it's just like

[00:58:59] At that age

[00:59:00] At that time

[00:59:01] Like with that like hair and mustache

[00:59:03] From that angle

[00:59:04] He looks like Michael B. Jordan

[00:59:05] But it like kept throwing me off

[00:59:07] And I believe this line was something effective

[00:59:09] Captain I'm chronicle

[00:59:12] In some activity

[00:59:14] And he looked at camera

[00:59:15] And winked for six seconds

[00:59:17] He said hey this leak

[00:59:18] Certainly isn't fantastic for us

[00:59:21] Ha ha ha ha

[00:59:23] Alright that was good

[00:59:24] He was like I'm back

[00:59:26] I'm number 45 now

[00:59:29] Oh I get it, I get it

[00:59:31] Regardless of your greed

[00:59:34] Everyone can work here

[00:59:37] He was in ER

[00:59:39] Michael Beach

[00:59:40] He was in ER

[00:59:41] He was the guy who gives

[00:59:43] Nurse Boulet

[00:59:44] HIV

[00:59:45] Then comes back

[00:59:46] Gives her hepatitis

[00:59:47] He's a real jerk

[00:59:48] He was her husband

[00:59:49] He was on third watch

[00:59:50] For many years

[00:59:51] If you remember third watch

[00:59:52] And he's recently in pitch

[00:59:54] He's the dad

[00:59:55] Oh how is pitch

[00:59:56] Little pitchy

[00:59:58] It's fine

[01:00:00] 12 comedy points

[01:00:01] It's no hitch

[01:00:02] And what is

[01:00:04] But I did I paused the movie

[01:00:06] And went to IMDB to be like

[01:00:07] Was Michael B. Jordan's dad an actor?

[01:00:09] Michael B. Jordan might have been

[01:00:10] A zygote when this movie was made

[01:00:12] That's what I was saying

[01:00:13] I thought like I must be looking at

[01:00:14] His father cause a splitting image

[01:00:16] Anyway talked about that enough

[01:00:17] So he's freaked out by

[01:00:18] What he's seeing on the radar here right

[01:00:19] Right and they're going crazy

[01:00:20] And they're like man the hatches

[01:00:21] And it very quickly becomes this thing

[01:00:23] Where it's like they know they're doomed

[01:00:24] Oh yeah they're done

[01:00:25] And they're just trying to sort of

[01:00:27] Make it as painless as possible

[01:00:28] I don't understand why the aliens

[01:00:30] Took out that submarine

[01:00:32] I don't either

[01:00:33] And did they ever explain that?

[01:00:36] No

[01:00:38] No they do not

[01:00:40] It just has an encounter

[01:00:42] They have an encounter and they're all dead

[01:00:45] And then you know add types

[01:00:47] To the butterfly in the end and

[01:00:49] Right

[01:00:50] Yeah I didn't even really think about that

[01:00:53] It's just the inciting incident

[01:00:55] It's the inciting incident

[01:00:56] Maybe whatever it reacts with hostility

[01:00:58] Cause it doesn't know what's going on

[01:00:59] I don't know like

[01:01:00] Sure

[01:01:01] We don't have to think about this

[01:01:02] I guess

[01:01:03] The movie doesn't want us to think about it

[01:01:04] Right that's Michael Beach's job

[01:01:05] To think about it

[01:01:06] Anyway they fail cut to

[01:01:08] Now here's the big ship

[01:01:09] Chris Elliott's on it

[01:01:11] Throwing out some spies

[01:01:13] They weirdly play the get a life theme song

[01:01:16] They do

[01:01:17] And then they sort of go like

[01:01:20] Okay this is trapped at the bottom

[01:01:22] Mary Elizabeth Master Antonio

[01:01:23] Everyone's like oh boy this one

[01:01:25] Yeah they basically are like

[01:01:27] She shows up and be like

[01:01:28] Oh god what a bitch

[01:01:29] They just start like

[01:01:30] Ah she's the worst

[01:01:32] Call her a bitch a bunch

[01:01:34] Yeah I was gonna say you're not really paraphrasing

[01:01:36] They directly call her a bitch a bunch of people

[01:01:38] And while we're facilitating her

[01:01:40] He says he calls her a bitch

[01:01:42] He's a fight you bitch

[01:01:43] Her nickname is like the bitch

[01:01:46] Like they don't really think too hard about it

[01:01:48] Nope

[01:01:49] Now James Cameron has a type

[01:01:51] Of female lead in his movies

[01:01:53] I would say like Mary Elizabeth Master Antonio

[01:01:55] Is a little Sigourney Weaverie

[01:01:57] Cheap bone brunette

[01:01:58] Nothing good nothing better than cheap bone brunette

[01:02:00] You know like he likes

[01:02:01] You should write these women who are

[01:02:03] Whatever like they can play in a man's world

[01:02:05] Or you know like it's a little

[01:02:07] Old fashioned I would say these days

[01:02:09] But I guess in the 80s

[01:02:10] It's still like kind of unique

[01:02:12] I guess

[01:02:13] But he's laying it on way too thick

[01:02:15] He's laying on way too thick

[01:02:16] And now of course

[01:02:17] Knowing me and my history

[01:02:18] I'm gonna want to view every element

[01:02:20] Of this movie through the divorce angle

[01:02:22] But I do think his female protagonist

[01:02:24] Is usually a sort of like

[01:02:26] Hard headed strong minded stubborn woman

[01:02:30] Who is ultimately correct

[01:02:32] You know

[01:02:33] Which is exactly what Galen Hurd is

[01:02:35] Believe it or not

[01:02:36] And Catherine Begala there

[01:02:37] Exactly

[01:02:38] Exactly

[01:02:39] But in this movie

[01:02:40] She's kind of everyone's like

[01:02:42] You don't need to

[01:02:43] You know everyone's kind of like

[01:02:45] Okay take it down a notch

[01:02:46] Right

[01:02:47] And it doesn't feel like she

[01:02:48] Ultimately proves them wrong

[01:02:49] I feel like the movie ultimately is like

[01:02:51] Yeah she needs to take it down a notch

[01:02:53] This feels like

[01:02:54] So much so that she should drown herself

[01:02:56] Right

[01:02:57] This feels like the one movie where like

[01:02:58] He makes the woman

[01:03:00] Like his female lead get kind of soft at the end

[01:03:03] And it's like

[01:03:04] There's a little bit of like

[01:03:06] The Jurassic world thing in this movie

[01:03:08] What's the Jurassic world thing

[01:03:09] Or it's like

[01:03:10] Oh she's the business woman

[01:03:11] She's a careerist and everyone's like

[01:03:13] Family relaxed

[01:03:14] Not to an extreme degree

[01:03:16] But more so than all his other female protagonists

[01:03:18] My problem with this movie is like

[01:03:20] When she arrives they set her up as like

[01:03:22] This is the one everyone hates

[01:03:23] No one likes her

[01:03:24] Right

[01:03:25] And then she shows up and everyone works with her fine

[01:03:27] She sort of integrates with the crew

[01:03:29] I guess she's mean to Michael Bean

[01:03:30] But Michael Bean's a problem

[01:03:31] But then she has a monologue about her five brothers

[01:03:33] And why she's doing that

[01:03:34] To fight for everything

[01:03:35] Yeah

[01:03:36] It doesn't

[01:03:37] To me it's like

[01:03:38] It's too obvious or something

[01:03:39] They're just

[01:03:40] I don't know why

[01:03:41] But the divorce shit is interesting

[01:03:43] No doubt

[01:03:44] I just think this was the one time

[01:03:45] Where he was feeling

[01:03:46] Weird

[01:03:47] You know like

[01:03:48] I mean we've always theorized that like

[01:03:50] Because it's all about strong mother figures for him

[01:03:52] That he clearly his mother was important in his life

[01:03:54] He doesn't really talk about that

[01:03:55] Sure this is not that

[01:03:56] This feels like he's not making a movie about his mother

[01:03:58] He's making a movie about his wife that he's divorced

[01:04:00] Especially again

[01:04:01] The movies around this one are both about mothers

[01:04:03] Like aliens and Terminator 2

[01:04:05] Those are mother characters

[01:04:07] This is not

[01:04:08] This is a wife character

[01:04:09] Some of the deleted dialogue includes

[01:04:11] You're a bitch Gail

[01:04:12] And they had to obviously

[01:04:14] Yeah

[01:04:15] You're a bitch Gail in her

[01:04:17] My wife

[01:04:18] And then they cut out the David Morse robot entirely

[01:04:20] Because he couldn't stop saying that

[01:04:22] Let's not forget that like the fucking

[01:04:24] He saves the aliens from

[01:04:26] He saves the planet by typing

[01:04:28] Love you wife

[01:04:29] On his little typey

[01:04:30] In his little speak and spell

[01:04:32] Right

[01:04:33] These aliens are the Tendo power glove

[01:04:36] The fact that yeah he's power glove

[01:04:38] Imagine what they do if they saw a sexed

[01:04:40] You know

[01:04:41] They called off the waves just for love you wife

[01:04:43] They saw a sex these guys might give us a fucking

[01:04:45] I mean they would have saved

[01:04:47] So many man

[01:04:49] Saved us so fucking hard

[01:04:50] They would have given us a whole other planet

[01:04:52] Saved us like two or three times

[01:04:54] Yeah

[01:04:55] Okay

[01:04:56] So Ed Harris is like

[01:04:58] Has like an oil rig

[01:05:00] He's like the foreman of like an experimental deep sea drilling rig or whatever

[01:05:04] It's kind of like

[01:05:05] Ben Thicke petroleum there's still a Facebook page

[01:05:07] Okay

[01:05:08] Alright he's kind of like

[01:05:10] This is kind of like Armageddon but realistic

[01:05:12] Yeah

[01:05:13] It's like it is what how this actually work is like well we need a

[01:05:16] Oil rig so we're going to commandeer you guys

[01:05:18] And you guys know what to do

[01:05:20] Rather than like yeah let's put you guys in space

[01:05:23] And train you to be astronauts because that's easier than like teaching someone a point of drill at the ground and turn it on

[01:05:28] Or what I like yeah

[01:05:29] It is very interesting that like

[01:05:31] I kept on comparing this to aliens and Avatar

[01:05:33] Because these three movies are very similar right

[01:05:35] They're the sort of drugs on a mission

[01:05:37] Yes they all have the gruntie

[01:05:39] And they're also like two different forces coming up against each other

[01:05:43] That's very true

[01:05:44] But you can also put it in the in the piranha to

[01:05:47] Abyss Titanic

[01:05:48] Sure

[01:05:49] Be controlled

[01:05:50] It really is the nexus of like

[01:05:52] All the different camera

[01:05:53] We're making crosses with our hands right now

[01:05:54] Yeah other than the mother thing it like covers all the main camera elements

[01:05:58] But what's interesting is there's a thing he does a lot in aliens and Avatar

[01:06:02] Where it's like first hour of the movie is really just hard setup

[01:06:05] You know not exposition but let's lay down the character pieces

[01:06:08] Let's lay down sort of the story points to pay off later

[01:06:11] And that's sort of alternating with getting to understand the technology of the world

[01:06:15] You have all those scenes in aliens and Avatar before they really like disembark and get into it

[01:06:20] Where it's like

[01:06:21] Here we are in the hangar you're seeing everyone operating all the stuff in the background

[01:06:25] You're understanding all of this now through just sort of like exposure therapy

[01:06:29] So at the end of the movie it all pays off

[01:06:31] And he does that here except all the technology is real

[01:06:34] Like it's fascinating that he's got these real things

[01:06:36] Like he clearly just fell so in love with deep sea diving

[01:06:39] It's like this shit's better than any shit I could make up for a movie

[01:06:42] And it is amazing when you just look at the fucking like little pods and everything

[01:06:46] And the suits look insane in this movie

[01:06:48] And you have to imagine that none of them were like designed

[01:06:51] They feel like they're just the real thing

[01:06:54] Everything in this movie was made for this movie

[01:06:56] Really?

[01:06:57] Yeah but I mean obviously we

[01:06:58] But I think based off of

[01:06:59] Yes I mean they had to make them because they couldn't use the actual things cost a hundred million dollars

[01:07:03] Well also like

[01:07:04] Well no but even you know you can only make these things in so many

[01:07:08] They have to be weird boxy like creations

[01:07:11] Like you can't make a sleek underwater thing and then actually have it underwater

[01:07:15] And like bashing into another underwater thing

[01:07:17] With nipples yes some of them did have nipples

[01:07:19] They had a lot of nipples

[01:07:20] They're very utilitarian all the shit in this movie

[01:07:23] Like it looks cool but it's just real

[01:07:25] And I think even if they made all this stuff

[01:07:27] They're not fantastical designs

[01:07:29] He's not plusing the technology

[01:07:30] No he's not at all

[01:07:31] It's just happening right now

[01:07:32] Yeah and it is cool

[01:07:33] You're watching the process of how they do it

[01:07:35] And even just the woman with the cowboy hat

[01:07:37] She's cool

[01:07:38] It's like this is a cool world

[01:07:39] Lisa one night standing

[01:07:41] That's her name

[01:07:42] Good character

[01:07:43] But I was talking to Benny about how fucking long this movie is

[01:07:47] The director's

[01:07:48] Yeah the big old Benny

[01:07:49] Yeah we don't have to do that again

[01:07:50] Big dick Benny

[01:07:51] So this movie is a hundred and seventy minutes long

[01:07:55] In the director's cut

[01:07:56] And I was just saying I'm like

[01:07:57] If you just said the plot of the movie

[01:07:59] It wouldn't sound like it's long

[01:08:01] No

[01:08:02] Cause it's just like they go under the water

[01:08:03] They find some aliens

[01:08:04] Yeah

[01:08:05] Bad guy tries to do something

[01:08:06] They stop him

[01:08:07] Then they meet the aliens

[01:08:08] Like it doesn't, it's not complicated

[01:08:10] You could say the same thing about Avatar

[01:08:12] And it is this thing

[01:08:13] I think starting at aliens

[01:08:16] James Cameron becomes a five act structure guy

[01:08:19] Sure

[01:08:20] And not only is he a five act structure

[01:08:22] But he's doing five acts at the full length of what

[01:08:24] A three act movie would be

[01:08:26] You know

[01:08:27] Like some people do five act structures

[01:08:28] Like squeeze it in

[01:08:29] Yeah cause like Rushmore is like a five act movie

[01:08:31] But it's like an hour forty

[01:08:32] You know there's movies all like Rushmore

[01:08:34] It's the movies very similar to Rushmore

[01:08:36] I thought it was weird that he put like the velvet sort of curtain

[01:08:40] Intertitles

[01:08:41] I thought that was the handwritten index card

[01:08:44] Title

[01:08:45] Yeah it was physical

[01:08:46] Right the above like perfectly aligned

[01:08:48] I loved it when Bill Murray reaching back and hitting his kid

[01:08:50] In that little submarine

[01:08:51] Very odd

[01:08:52] And Harris made the OR scrubs joke

[01:08:54] That was funny

[01:08:55] That joke is so good

[01:08:56] That's such a good joke

[01:08:57] From Ronan

[01:08:59] Your favorite movie right?

[01:09:00] That's your number one

[01:09:01] My absolute favorite one

[01:09:02] The most Ellen Sarsgard captures the asoda that falls off the table

[01:09:06] Holy shit

[01:09:07] That's a great movie

[01:09:08] And DeNiro driving fast

[01:09:09] Let's do a Frankenheimer

[01:09:11] Yeah sure let's do it

[01:09:12] Frankenemall

[01:09:13] Oh good call

[01:09:14] A lot of split diopter

[01:09:15] This is a five act movie

[01:09:17] And he really likes like

[01:09:18] This is a five act episode

[01:09:19] This is a five act episode

[01:09:20] Yeah this is gonna be a short one

[01:09:22] Yeah we're standing

[01:09:24] I think the key is anytime we say we're gonna do a short one

[01:09:26] We're gonna do a short one

[01:09:27] Ends up being long

[01:09:28] We need to start saying we're gonna do a long one

[01:09:29] Maybe we'll get out of here in like 25 minutes

[01:09:31] Right

[01:09:32] That'd be good

[01:09:33] I do, he does these five act movies

[01:09:34] So A he's telling a lot of story

[01:09:35] And he has these different sort of beats

[01:09:37] But B he also just likes fucking

[01:09:39] Immersing you in a world

[01:09:40] He does

[01:09:41] Like Aliens has all that shit too

[01:09:42] Which is like

[01:09:43] There's no real character dialogue

[01:09:44] You're just watching them roll up and fire

[01:09:46] And fire out the shit

[01:09:47] You know

[01:09:48] In Aliens the Aliens don't show up for an hour

[01:09:50] Terminator 2

[01:09:51] Terminator 2 they don't meet for an hour

[01:09:53] The forming characters don't collide in an hour

[01:09:54] In 5 minutes

[01:09:55] But in the abyss

[01:09:57] That whole sequence that I was talking about earlier

[01:09:59] Where they're exploring the sub

[01:10:01] And they're finding the dead bodies

[01:10:02] And they're looking at the new

[01:10:03] Like missile silos and all that shit

[01:10:06] You know yeah

[01:10:07] Like you don't need it to be quite as long as you do

[01:10:09] It's not informative for the plot

[01:10:11] We already know the sub's down there

[01:10:13] Like but it's good

[01:10:15] To me my favorite part of the movie

[01:10:17] And it is sort of like

[01:10:18] You know there are a lot of things that James Cameron does

[01:10:20] That no one else does

[01:10:21] Right

[01:10:22] Because people

[01:10:23] He's an obvious punching bag

[01:10:25] There are a lot of things you can easily sort of slam him for

[01:10:27] Right

[01:10:28] More obviously camera defenders

[01:10:29] But there's the thing of like

[01:10:30] He goes so broad

[01:10:31] The dialogue's clunky

[01:10:32] His story's so elemental

[01:10:33] He ribs so much from like other shit

[01:10:35] But it is like

[01:10:36] I mean that's what the fucking avatar thing

[01:10:38] Like the whole thing is

[01:10:39] He's somehow able to actually just like

[01:10:41] Kind of place you into these worlds

[01:10:43] And just through like the fucking minutia

[01:10:45] Of the day to day

[01:10:46] I'm with you but we gotta move on

[01:10:47] Jesus Christ

[01:10:48] Why was trying to do what he's doing in the movies

[01:10:50] By doing that in the podcast

[01:10:51] I'm gonna kill you

[01:10:52] Stand

[01:10:53] Please keep doing that though

[01:10:55] The place that

[01:10:58] You live

[01:10:59] It's the end of the world

[01:11:00] It is the end of the world as we know it in this movie

[01:11:02] 100%

[01:11:03] So they go down

[01:11:05] You know they go

[01:11:06] We gotta hire the people

[01:11:07] Oh fuck it's my ex husband

[01:11:09] They go down to the thing

[01:11:10] You still got the ring

[01:11:11] He's got the ugliest fucking wedding ring

[01:11:13] I have ever seen

[01:11:14] But useful

[01:11:15] Very useful for stopping a pneumatic door

[01:11:17] Closing on your hand

[01:11:19] It's like a nut

[01:11:21] Like a giant screw nut

[01:11:23] It looks like a testicle

[01:11:24] Oh no no a screw nut

[01:11:25] Yeah no that makes more sense

[01:11:26] Yeah

[01:11:27] A square

[01:11:28] His blue arm though

[01:11:29] Influenced avatar

[01:11:30] That is true

[01:11:31] The toilet hand

[01:11:32] That's when James came in first

[01:11:33] Had the idea for avatar

[01:11:34] He tosses

[01:11:35] That's actually a great

[01:11:36] I read about that

[01:11:37] It's a great scene

[01:11:38] His eyes rolled in the back of his head

[01:11:39] And he saw everything

[01:11:40] Kind of like when the food critic

[01:11:41] For context

[01:11:42] I see in ratatouille

[01:11:43] He tosses

[01:11:44] She comes onto the thing

[01:11:45] She points out

[01:11:46] Hey you're still wearing our wedding ring

[01:11:47] And he's like

[01:11:48] He's actually divorced

[01:11:49] And he like tosses it into the toilet

[01:11:51] And then he's like

[01:11:52] Ah fuck it

[01:11:53] He puts his hand back into the

[01:11:54] Like weird blue liquid

[01:11:56] That like Amtrak

[01:11:57] Toilet liquid you know

[01:11:58] Yeah

[01:11:59] And then pulls it out

[01:12:00] And he's got a blue hand

[01:12:01] Just for context

[01:12:02] People are not going to see this movie

[01:12:03] People are going to watch

[01:12:04] Oh yeah it's hard to watch

[01:12:05] No they're not

[01:12:06] Like that's the thing

[01:12:07] But yeah so

[01:12:08] Okay all of that

[01:12:09] They get together

[01:12:10] Oh we're going to go down

[01:12:11] We're going to look at the submarine

[01:12:12] Everyone's dead

[01:12:13] It's really fucking unnerved

[01:12:14] Creepy

[01:12:15] And some weird shit starts happening

[01:12:16] Is the military with them

[01:12:17] And then there's that big like

[01:12:19] Disaster

[01:12:20] Like it all goes wrong

[01:12:21] Yeah

[01:12:22] What the fuck is it again

[01:12:23] It's like the thing crashes down on top of them

[01:12:25] The crane crashes down on top of them

[01:12:27] And Michael Bean who is

[01:12:29] Michael Bean's playing

[01:12:30] Coffee

[01:12:31] Hyrum coffee

[01:12:32] He's sort of the guy

[01:12:33] The military sort of point man

[01:12:36] Who's overseeing the thing

[01:12:37] And he has a mustache

[01:12:38] He has a real mustache

[01:12:39] He has a mustache

[01:12:40] You say this too

[01:12:41] Anytime he was in a

[01:12:42] Wide shot

[01:12:43] Especially because

[01:12:44] As pre-established

[01:12:45] I was looking for

[01:12:46] Character actors who became big later

[01:12:48] In like the margins of this movie

[01:12:49] I was like there have to be people

[01:12:50] He looks a lot like Joe Pantiliano

[01:12:52] With the mustache in this movie

[01:12:54] Really?

[01:12:55] In wide shots I kept on thinking

[01:12:56] Well he is wearing a beret

[01:12:57] He is wearing a beret

[01:12:58] He's wearing a beret

[01:12:59] And I kept on thinking

[01:13:00] We were wearing a pair of pants

[01:13:01] And well you know we weren't

[01:13:03] We weren't

[01:13:04] That's the thing

[01:13:05] I kept on thinking we were

[01:13:06] I looked down at a pants list

[01:13:07] We were eating some beans

[01:13:08] We were eating some beans

[01:13:09] Yeah I don't know

[01:13:10] Alright

[01:13:11] Yeah so no but he's a dick

[01:13:12] He's a piece of shit

[01:13:13] And I feel like it's

[01:13:14] It's good because it's like

[01:13:15] The last two camera movies

[01:13:16] He's the hero

[01:13:18] He's a nice guy

[01:13:19] He's a sweet boy

[01:13:20] We also established too

[01:13:21] That one of the crew members

[01:13:22] Has a mean right hook

[01:13:23] Yup

[01:13:24] The hammer

[01:13:25] We've also established

[01:13:26] That one of the crew members has

[01:13:27] A mean right

[01:13:28] Oh I was going to say a nice right

[01:13:29] And also Michael Bean

[01:13:32] They foreshadow a lot

[01:13:34] He's there when they're talking

[01:13:35] About sort of this madness

[01:13:37] That can happen

[01:13:38] Yeah you go underwater

[01:13:39] You go crazy

[01:13:40] It's like space dementia

[01:13:41] The pressure gets to you

[01:13:42] In all the signs

[01:13:43] Yeah I don't know

[01:13:44] This is basically a space movie

[01:13:46] Yes

[01:13:47] I mean like right

[01:13:48] It's just underwater

[01:13:49] It's upside down space

[01:13:50] The other thing I want to

[01:13:51] I'll get to that

[01:13:52] No I'll get to that one

[01:13:53] It does feel like that was his pitch

[01:13:54] I have a point to make

[01:13:55] So Fox was like

[01:13:56] Oh space aliens

[01:13:57] In water

[01:13:58] What if I did water aliens

[01:13:59] No it's a good pitch

[01:14:00] Right

[01:14:01] And the abyss

[01:14:02] Great title

[01:14:03] No one ever had that before

[01:14:04] And it feels more grounded

[01:14:05] Because it's like

[01:14:06] Any sci-fi thing where you

[01:14:07] Have to go up

[01:14:08] Already is like straining

[01:14:09] Like well we haven't been

[01:14:10] Able to do this

[01:14:11] And find any life

[01:14:12] Sure

[01:14:13] To go down feels like

[01:14:14] Oh that's possible

[01:14:15] Less wire rigging it's great

[01:14:16] And the title has two S's

[01:14:17] That's two money signs

[01:14:19] Yeah

[01:14:20] That's true

[01:14:21] That's how he did the pitch

[01:14:22] For alien

[01:14:23] Yeah

[01:14:24] And then he had the abyss

[01:14:25] Wrote alien and put the S

[01:14:26] And then turned the S into a money sign

[01:14:27] That was a fair play

[01:14:28] Rearrange the letters

[01:14:29] Sabzi

[01:14:30] I don't know why

[01:14:31] Sabzi

[01:14:32] Because one of the studio executives

[01:14:33] Was Sabzi

[01:14:34] Yeah

[01:14:35] Sabzi Films

[01:14:36] And he was like

[01:14:37] I'm almost done

[01:14:38] I'm almost done but one more thing

[01:14:39] The great Sabzi Films

[01:14:40] Richard Evans's ex-husband

[01:14:41] So yeah

[01:14:42] He loved making movies

[01:14:43] So

[01:14:44] They

[01:14:45] They flood the rig

[01:14:46] They flood the rig

[01:14:47] There's an accident

[01:14:48] They flood the rigs

[01:14:49] People die

[01:14:50] Michael Bean doesn't seem to care

[01:14:51] Cameras are caught behind the door

[01:14:52] And they get him out of there

[01:14:53] But he's in a coma

[01:14:54] Everyone's bummed out

[01:14:55] Then Mary Elizabeth

[01:14:56] Master Antonio is just hanging out

[01:14:57] Taking some pictures

[01:14:58] Outside the sub

[01:14:59] She's chilling on top

[01:15:00] And like a pink jellyfish

[01:15:01] Like sort of

[01:15:02] Swirls around her

[01:15:03] Looks gorgeous

[01:15:04] Looks cool

[01:15:05] And she's like

[01:15:06] Guess what guys

[01:15:07] There's aliens underwater

[01:15:08] And everyone's like

[01:15:09] Shit you're right

[01:15:10] You're pretty much on board

[01:15:11] She's getting some of that

[01:15:12] She's getting a little bit of that

[01:15:13] And Harris is like

[01:15:14] And Harris is

[01:15:15] Get the fuck out of here

[01:15:16] But it's when the tendril shows up I guess

[01:15:18] Yeah

[01:15:19] That happens like 40 minutes later

[01:15:21] She like says

[01:15:22] Like what are you getting at

[01:15:24] There's like a ten minute scene

[01:15:25] Where she's like

[01:15:26] It was weird and they were like

[01:15:27] So what are you saying

[01:15:28] And she's like

[01:15:29] I just

[01:15:30] I haven't seen anything like that before

[01:15:31] And they're like out with it

[01:15:32] Out with it

[01:15:33] And she's like

[01:15:34] Don't think it's from this world

[01:15:35] And she's like

[01:15:36] Oh keep going

[01:15:37] They eventually get to this netty thing

[01:15:38] Where it's like

[01:15:39] Non-terrestrial intelligence

[01:15:40] Oh hey guys

[01:15:41] I was wondering

[01:15:42] Did James Cameron invent drones?

[01:15:44] No

[01:15:45] I don't think so

[01:15:46] What do you mean

[01:15:47] Because they're water drones

[01:15:48] They are water drones

[01:15:50] No, I mean

[01:15:52] I'm gonna kill all of you

[01:15:53] They are water drones

[01:15:54] I don't know

[01:15:55] Are you from Philadelphia

[01:15:56] Or are you saying water

[01:15:57] Ben said it

[01:15:58] I was copying Ben

[01:15:59] Ben had a touch of the filly there

[01:16:00] I say it like that

[01:16:01] You say it like that

[01:16:02] And I don't

[01:16:03] I'm fun

[01:16:04] I say it like that

[01:16:05] Well New Jersey and filly

[01:16:06] are kissing cousins

[01:16:08] Ah, sure

[01:16:09] You guys kiss right

[01:16:10] New Jersey and filly

[01:16:11] No fuck filly

[01:16:12] Okay well

[01:16:14] She tells them about the netties

[01:16:15] They don't totally believe it

[01:16:16] And then there's water

[01:16:17] But then this alien tendril comes up

[01:16:18] But look when the tendril comes

[01:16:19] There's still an hour and a half left in the movie

[01:16:21] We're at the halfway point of the film

[01:16:23] If that

[01:16:24] We're not even

[01:16:25] And it was the first like

[01:16:26] Real CGI effect in a movie

[01:16:28] And the big thing is

[01:16:29] It looks like Mary Elizabeth

[01:16:30] Master Antonio and then at Harris

[01:16:31] Like it's not super detailed

[01:16:32] Because it's water

[01:16:33] Right it's a water snake

[01:16:34] That sort of like

[01:16:35] Goes up to

[01:16:36] It's like a column of water

[01:16:37] But then it turns into their faces

[01:16:38] Which is exactly what CGI

[01:16:40] Was capable of doing at that time

[01:16:41] Right like New Mercury

[01:16:42] And then like Terminator 2

[01:16:43] It's like oh you can do a liquid guy

[01:16:45] You can't do fine detail

[01:16:46] I mean it's why when Pixar

[01:16:47] Was like coming up with the first movie

[01:16:48] They were like toys

[01:16:49] Everything's gonna look plastic

[01:16:50] Yeah he's flat and plastic

[01:16:51] Alex Mack you're a puddle

[01:16:52] Exactly

[01:16:53] CGI puddles

[01:16:54] But she wears a hat

[01:16:55] She does

[01:16:56] Alex Mack wears a hat

[01:16:57] A puddle hat

[01:16:58] A beret

[01:16:59] A puddle hat though

[01:17:00] Sometimes

[01:17:01] But that was CGI at the time

[01:17:02] It was a puddle industry

[01:17:03] I mean people were all about

[01:17:04] CGI puddles

[01:17:05] And Cameron was really at the forefront of that

[01:17:07] Tendra comes in

[01:17:08] Looks fucking cool

[01:17:09] Wins him the Oscar immediately

[01:17:11] For that one scene

[01:17:12] The wins the visual effects Oscar

[01:17:14] The point I want to make

[01:17:16] And I'm stealing this from Peter LeBuzza

[01:17:18] My buddy Peter LeBuzza you know

[01:17:20] Not person but a fan of his work

[01:17:21] Pedeal he said that this is camera

[01:17:23] The closest camera is coming to making

[01:17:24] A Spielberg movie

[01:17:25] Like this does sometimes feel like

[01:17:27] Lots of big reaction shots

[01:17:29] This stirring in my opinion

[01:17:31] Completely terrible score

[01:17:33] By Alan Sylvesterie

[01:17:34] I like the score

[01:17:35] I hate the score

[01:17:36] But I'm a Sylvesterie fan

[01:17:37] I like Sylvesterie and other stuff

[01:17:38] He just doesn't match the movie

[01:17:39] Alan's one of the people who said

[01:17:40] He'd never work with him again after this

[01:17:41] This is the problem

[01:17:43] Horner does this great score for Aliens

[01:17:46] Hates working with James Cameron

[01:17:47] Says I'll never work with you again

[01:17:48] Eventually gets coaxed back for Titanic

[01:17:51] When James Cameron calls him

[01:17:52] And says I want to go back to Titanic

[01:17:54] It's a great scene

[01:17:55] It's in the movie

[01:17:56] But Horner'd be fucking perfect for this

[01:17:59] You need a more haunting score

[01:18:01] The score is like jaunty

[01:18:03] At times it's like

[01:18:04] Oh, wow, they're under the water

[01:18:06] At the end it gets way too dark

[01:18:07] At the end it gets way too dark

[01:18:08] I will say I read also

[01:18:10] That when they went back four years later

[01:18:12] And did the special edition

[01:18:13] Alan Sylvesterie refused to do score

[01:18:15] They had to do a new guy do some score

[01:18:17] A new guy did the other 30 minutes

[01:18:19] I like Sylvesterie

[01:18:20] I like him a lot

[01:18:21] He's got some great scores

[01:18:22] Could that have been Cameron in the room

[01:18:23] Going like you're wrong

[01:18:25] Just disagreeing with his flourishes

[01:18:27] I mean it's so bad

[01:18:28] How could you be angry at your composer

[01:18:30] Yeah, it's very odd

[01:18:32] Sylvesterie, from my money

[01:18:35] The only guy who has done good Marvel scores

[01:18:38] I think the only two good Marvel movie scores

[01:18:40] Are the ones he did

[01:18:41] I don't know why they didn't keep using him

[01:18:42] I think too expensive

[01:18:44] They use cheap composers

[01:18:45] Who will just reuse themes

[01:18:47] I disagree with you though

[01:18:49] I think there are a couple other good Marvel scores

[01:18:51] I think it's Captain America

[01:18:52] The first Avengers and Avengers

[01:18:53] Are the two that have distinctive themes

[01:18:55] The themes are good in those movies

[01:18:58] His themes are really good

[01:18:59] The scores are fine

[01:19:01] I think Henry Jackman's score for Winter Soldier is great

[01:19:04] No, it's really good

[01:19:05] I think there's another one I kind of like

[01:19:07] But there's a lot of bad scoring in Marvel movies

[01:19:09] Tyler Bates

[01:19:10] It's okay

[01:19:12] Anyway

[01:19:13] Stand in the place

[01:19:15] Michael Steip's score on Thor The Last World was fantastic

[01:19:19] Really good

[01:19:20] Yeah, it was great

[01:19:21] It was just him singing

[01:19:22] Ragnarok in the Ragnarok

[01:19:26] I'm sorry, I don't think I can do it

[01:19:28] He quit halfway through

[01:19:29] I quit

[01:19:30] The one track and they just weirdly kept it

[01:19:32] And looped it throughout the entire

[01:19:33] The whole movie is loud

[01:19:35] Really loud

[01:19:37] They have to shout over it

[01:19:39] That's the other thing

[01:19:40] They were playing it on set

[01:19:41] They didn't even just add it in post

[01:19:42] They were playing it on set

[01:19:43] No, in every scene Thor has to have a bootbox

[01:19:46] On his shoulder playing that fucking loop

[01:19:50] Tygo and T.D. insist

[01:19:52] The D-Battery budget on Thor The Dark World

[01:19:54] Was completely out of control

[01:19:56] No, no

[01:19:58] Loki is taking over

[01:20:01] Hamdale on the Rainbow Bridge

[01:20:04] Alright

[01:20:05] Okay

[01:20:06] That one matched pretty well

[01:20:07] Idris Elba-

[01:20:08] That hit the meter though

[01:20:10] Hamdale on the Rainbow Bridge

[01:20:11] Hamdale on the Rainbow Bridge

[01:20:14] I hate you

[01:20:15] You, I love you, Josh

[01:20:16] I'm your best friend

[01:20:17] I know, we're good

[01:20:18] We're the two friends

[01:20:19] We are the two friends

[01:20:20] We're great

[01:20:21] We're great

[01:20:22] Are we supposed to make it through to the end

[01:20:23] Of the describing?

[01:20:24] Well, look, come on

[01:20:25] Give us a-

[01:20:26] The goal, I mean that'll take two hours

[01:20:28] The mills will come

[01:20:29] The tendril comes up

[01:20:30] There's a storm

[01:20:31] They're very upset

[01:20:32] Yeah, there's a storm

[01:20:33] Do we see the storm?

[01:20:34] You sound like a good storm to grandmother

[01:20:36] I don't know, I think she drowns

[01:20:37] She drowns

[01:20:38] She ends to some sad ones

[01:20:39] Yeah, it's like I'm calling you on a Saturday

[01:20:40] And you're like,

[01:20:41] I saw this movie via BIS

[01:20:42] Look

[01:20:43] The hot one's in it

[01:20:45] Ed

[01:20:46] Oh yeah

[01:20:47] Grandma's love Ed Harris

[01:20:48] Grandma's love Ed Harris

[01:20:49] Absolutely

[01:20:50] Oh, they love a side of Ed

[01:20:51] Cause he's like the world's youngest old man

[01:20:52] Oh, he is

[01:20:53] Cause how old is Ed Harris

[01:20:54] When this movie's made?

[01:20:55] In this movie?

[01:20:56] My guess is 33

[01:20:58] No!

[01:20:59] My guess is 33

[01:21:00] No, that's so young

[01:21:02] And I think he looks 54

[01:21:03] No, he's 38

[01:21:04] He's born in 1950

[01:21:05] Oh wow

[01:21:06] So he's 38

[01:21:07] Okay, okay

[01:21:08] So he looks basically

[01:21:09] He looks okay

[01:21:10] So shit starts to go wrong

[01:21:12] Michael B. goes crazy

[01:21:13] He starts carving lines into his arm

[01:21:15] Yeah

[01:21:16] Kind of out of nowhere

[01:21:17] Yeah

[01:21:18] But that's pretty cool

[01:21:19] That scene

[01:21:20] Yeah, it's cool

[01:21:21] And he has a really good chunk

[01:21:22] Of performance in here

[01:21:23] He does

[01:21:24] He's on a little part

[01:21:25] Where he basically decides the alien tendril

[01:21:26] Wants to take the nuke

[01:21:28] I don't know

[01:21:29] Yeah

[01:21:30] So he took

[01:21:31] They have a tactical nuke

[01:21:32] That they took from the sub

[01:21:33] Someone made a really good point

[01:21:34] That he was at that coffee

[01:21:35] Actually thought what he was doing

[01:21:36] Was good

[01:21:37] Uh-huh

[01:21:38] And that's kind of what made it fun

[01:21:40] But I don't care

[01:21:41] Yeah, you don't side with him

[01:21:43] Cause he's so crazy

[01:21:44] I mean, if you didn't fucking cut his arm

[01:21:46] His hair

[01:21:47] Like, maybe

[01:21:48] He had his arms on a gun the whole time

[01:21:49] Yeah

[01:21:50] The movie has this like red scare thing going on

[01:21:52] Where they assume it's the Russians

[01:21:53] And then they realize it's the aliens

[01:21:54] His kind of logic is like

[01:21:55] Well, they're like

[01:21:56] They're the enemy too

[01:21:57] And this is important to the point

[01:21:59] Cameron's gonna hit us over the head with later

[01:22:01] Like it's like

[01:22:02] We can't just assume, you know

[01:22:04] Everyone's our enemy

[01:22:05] You know, we can't just

[01:22:06] Fire nukes at anything we don't like

[01:22:07] Love Trump's hate

[01:22:09] Love Trump's hate

[01:22:11] So they

[01:22:12] Oh, and there is the thing earlier

[01:22:13] Where he

[01:22:14] Red shirt of Oak Bay

[01:22:15] Decides to go down

[01:22:16] He decides to go down

[01:22:18] To get the warhead from the submarine

[01:22:20] And in doing so

[01:22:21] Endangers the entire crew

[01:22:22] He does

[01:22:23] Leads to the death

[01:22:24] That's the thing

[01:22:25] That's the thing that triggers the crane collapse

[01:22:26] Or whatever

[01:22:27] Right

[01:22:28] It's all, yeah

[01:22:29] This is the one-camera movie

[01:22:30] Where sometimes you don't really

[01:22:32] Totally know what's going on

[01:22:33] Even though he's still good at the

[01:22:34] Spatial geography stuff

[01:22:36] You know, once in a while

[01:22:37] You're like

[01:22:38] Wait, what?

[01:22:39] Who's this?

[01:22:40] Where's this happening?

[01:22:41] The whole time I was watching this

[01:22:42] And I liked the movie

[01:22:43] I was like

[01:22:44] I can't wait to watch this

[01:22:45] Two more times over the next eight

[01:22:46] Like, I think with like

[01:22:47] Four years in between

[01:22:49] That's what you'll do

[01:22:50] I get it

[01:22:51] The rig's on the seabed

[01:22:53] But then there's the trench

[01:22:54] Yeah

[01:22:55] So he puts the fucking nuke

[01:22:56] On a little drone

[01:22:57] A sea drone

[01:22:58] Uh-huh

[01:22:59] And it's gonna go down

[01:23:00] And blow up the aliens

[01:23:01] A total McGuire sea drone

[01:23:02] Yeah, exactly

[01:23:03] Sea drone's good

[01:23:04] With Jeff Bridges

[01:23:05] Well, it sure is fast

[01:23:06] Oh, that was good

[01:23:07] I know

[01:23:08] Did you see Heller High?

[01:23:09] Water?

[01:23:10] No!

[01:23:11] Oh, you'll love it

[01:23:12] Is it like no country

[01:23:13] But he's in it

[01:23:14] Yeah, it's like a funny

[01:23:15] No-country for old men

[01:23:16] With Jeff Bridges

[01:23:17] Jeff Bridges is the most hilarious racist you'll ever meet

[01:23:19] He's the funnier version of the Tommy Lee Jones cop

[01:23:21] Who's just like

[01:23:22] You know, Tommy Lee Jones is just sad

[01:23:23] And is like

[01:23:24] I don't understand these people

[01:23:25] I had a dream

[01:23:26] Yeah

[01:23:27] That's what it's like

[01:23:28] It really is like that

[01:23:29] Buddy

[01:23:30] It's, you gotta see it

[01:23:31] Let's all go see it

[01:23:32] There was an N-word in it

[01:23:33] Like that, it's like that

[01:23:34] Yeah

[01:23:35] He's mostly hitting on Mexicans though

[01:23:36] Cause it's Texas

[01:23:37] He's got a Mexican Native American partner

[01:23:40] And he slams the guy

[01:23:41] And he's just fucking

[01:23:42] Ripping into the guy

[01:23:43] The whole movie

[01:23:44] And, you know

[01:23:45] Maybe, you know

[01:23:46] Whatever

[01:23:47] I mean, the guy is good

[01:23:48] So, you know

[01:23:49] And like gives

[01:23:50] It's great

[01:23:51] Good money

[01:23:52] It sounds like I just said

[01:23:53] There's this movie where he's a racist

[01:23:55] And it's great

[01:23:56] You gotta go see it

[01:23:57] He's a good movie

[01:23:58] It's a fucking laugh riot

[01:23:59] It earns everything it does

[01:24:00] You like it, Griff?

[01:24:01] I liked it a lot

[01:24:02] I really liked that movie

[01:24:03] Anyway

[01:24:04] We were talking about this

[01:24:05] Alright, when does he type the alien?

[01:24:07] Well so, okay

[01:24:08] So then there

[01:24:09] I just want to say

[01:24:10] There's that big fight

[01:24:11] Where they're both in the like

[01:24:12] Boxie submarines

[01:24:13] Right, that's what's good

[01:24:14] So being them

[01:24:15] Crashing into each other

[01:24:16] It just doesn't work for me

[01:24:17] He's doing the arm cutting

[01:24:18] And he's got the warhead

[01:24:19] And he's like

[01:24:20] I'm gonna bring it down

[01:24:21] Blow up the alien

[01:24:22] And that's when they're like

[01:24:23] Fuck, stop this

[01:24:24] There's like an 8 minute

[01:24:25] Like fist to cuff sprawl

[01:24:26] In the water before that

[01:24:27] Where they're like

[01:24:28] Swimming up in the moon pool

[01:24:29] And like whacking him from behind

[01:24:30] It's a well

[01:24:31] Stage dramatic fist fight

[01:24:34] But it also feels very

[01:24:35] In congress

[01:24:36] Now they're the man after the hammer

[01:24:37] Knocks him out

[01:24:38] He comes back

[01:24:39] And then he gets in the thing

[01:24:40] And goes, that's the fight

[01:24:41] Team where that all happens

[01:24:42] Because the hammer wakes up

[01:24:43] From the coma

[01:24:44] And walks him

[01:24:45] And he goes like

[01:24:46] Down

[01:24:47] He's been gone for like

[01:24:48] Fucking an hour and 10 minutes

[01:24:50] Yeah, fucking an hour and 10 minutes

[01:24:51] He's been fucking for an hour

[01:24:52] And 10 minutes in coma state

[01:24:54] And then

[01:24:57] And then

[01:24:58] And then

[01:25:00] Right, so that's the fist to cuff

[01:25:02] Sproul

[01:25:03] Then fucking hammer

[01:25:04] And then they get into their pods

[01:25:05] And it's sort of like

[01:25:06] A race to the bottom of the ocean

[01:25:07] To see if he can stop them

[01:25:08] From blowing up the aliens

[01:25:10] They succeed in doing that

[01:25:13] They stop Michael Bain

[01:25:14] But then he goes to the bottom

[01:25:15] Of the war hammer state

[01:25:16] But that seems pretty cool

[01:25:17] When Michael Bain implodes

[01:25:18] Basically

[01:25:19] That's pretty cool

[01:25:20] When he's in the sub

[01:25:21] And it's just going down

[01:25:22] And the water

[01:25:23] That's glass cracks

[01:25:24] Just gauze, soda, carbon

[01:25:26] Yeah, that's very cool

[01:25:27] But now it's like

[01:25:28] They just, you know

[01:25:29] They drop their keys

[01:25:30] Like through the slats of a porch

[01:25:31] And they're like

[01:25:32] Fuck, we gotta go down

[01:25:33] And get that bomb

[01:25:34] Yeah, we gotta get that

[01:25:35] Fucking bomb now

[01:25:36] It's like

[01:25:37] Teetering on a cliff

[01:25:38] Right

[01:25:39] So then it becomes

[01:25:41] This weird pink water

[01:25:42] Let's put

[01:25:43] No, no, no, you're missing

[01:25:44] Which part am I missing?

[01:25:45] Because again, the movie's

[01:25:46] So fucking long

[01:25:47] You're missing the whole scene

[01:25:48] Where Ed and Mary are in that

[01:25:49] In the other submarine

[01:25:50] That's from the leaf

[01:25:51] Oh, jeez

[01:25:52] And she has to drown

[01:25:53] Like she has to force herself

[01:25:55] To drown so that they can leave

[01:25:57] She calculates that her blood

[01:25:58] Will freeze until she won't die

[01:25:59] And if he can get her back

[01:26:00] To dry land within ten minutes

[01:26:02] They can like revive her

[01:26:03] It's, that scene is tough

[01:26:05] To watch, it's really well done

[01:26:06] It's upsetting

[01:26:07] And it's, you know

[01:26:08] I have always said

[01:26:09] He's so good

[01:26:10] Head of Harris is so pretty

[01:26:11] That is the hands down

[01:26:12] Yes

[01:26:13] Hard to believe

[01:26:14] And she's really good at it too

[01:26:15] No, she's fantastic

[01:26:16] Because she does the steely

[01:26:17] Sort of this is the right thing

[01:26:18] To do you have to trust me

[01:26:19] But at the same time

[01:26:20] She's like this is so cold

[01:26:21] I'm so scared

[01:26:22] Once it's actually happening

[01:26:23] She realizes like she might not wake up

[01:26:24] The death panic kicks and she nails

[01:26:25] Well that's the thing

[01:26:26] You can't actually make yourself drown

[01:26:27] Right

[01:26:28] Like yeah

[01:26:29] You can't do it

[01:26:30] You're in a, like survival instinct

[01:26:31] Is gonna override that

[01:26:32] I've always said that

[01:26:33] This was the one Cameron movie

[01:26:34] I hadn't seen

[01:26:35] But that the most sort of

[01:26:38] Visually effective moment

[01:26:40] He had ever put on screen was

[01:26:43] When there's the moment

[01:26:47] That's like this in Titanic

[01:26:48] I'm fucking forgetting where it's

[01:26:49] Place now

[01:26:50] Where they're trying to stay

[01:26:51] Just above the water and the gates

[01:26:54] You know what I'm saying?

[01:26:55] Yeah of course

[01:26:56] Of course I know that scene

[01:26:57] Yeah, yeah

[01:26:58] The end of Titanic

[01:26:59] It's when they hit the iceberg

[01:27:00] But he just has such a sense

[01:27:02] Of water and everything

[01:27:03] And the tension of like

[01:27:04] Drowning in that beer

[01:27:05] Oh no he's so bad

[01:27:06] But this is where he's really

[01:27:07] Learning it

[01:27:08] Right

[01:27:09] That's more effective

[01:27:10] Well it's an incredible scene

[01:27:11] But Titanic has like

[01:27:12] A lot of these types of scenes

[01:27:14] This is the scene for the abyss

[01:27:15] Apparently when they were going

[01:27:16] To shoot it that day

[01:27:17] Yeah

[01:27:18] James Cameron was like

[01:27:19] Huh, I mean so how do I do this

[01:27:20] Without killing them?

[01:27:21] Like they had to think for a while

[01:27:23] Because he was like

[01:27:24] I don't know that there's a

[01:27:25] I think he was kinda like

[01:27:26] Oh yeah the water will be warm

[01:27:27] Turn it all the way down

[01:27:28] And bring it in fast

[01:27:30] Don't cut

[01:27:31] No matter what

[01:27:32] I think he was like

[01:27:33] Oh god

[01:27:34] I mean if Harry starts bleeding

[01:27:35] Don't cut

[01:27:36] He drags her back to then

[01:27:38] She's freezing

[01:27:39] There's like a ten minute CPR scene

[01:27:41] He's screaming at her

[01:27:42] He rips her shirt open

[01:27:43] They're shocking her

[01:27:44] They're backing her chest

[01:27:45] They're slapping her face

[01:27:46] Calling her a bitch

[01:27:47] Not to be inelegant

[01:27:48] It's a fucking lot

[01:27:49] Not to be inelegant

[01:27:50] Slapping them titties

[01:27:51] I guess so

[01:27:52] Yeah

[01:27:53] I guess so

[01:27:54] Electrifying them titties

[01:27:55] Yeah

[01:27:56] Jesus

[01:27:57] And that's the scene where

[01:27:58] She freaked out and was like

[01:27:59] I'm not shooting this

[01:28:00] But when does he type?

[01:28:01] Well then he types

[01:28:03] Look he's gonna

[01:28:04] Almost immediately

[01:28:05] She wakes up and he's like

[01:28:06] Alright give me the pink

[01:28:07] Give me the pink thing

[01:28:08] I'm gonna go down with the pink thing

[01:28:09] Give me a typey thing

[01:28:10] Can I throw out a question quickly?

[01:28:11] Typey pinky

[01:28:12] That's right

[01:28:13] I gotta go get the bomb

[01:28:14] What was the meaning?

[01:28:15] I gotta go get the bomb

[01:28:16] Is them trying to resuscitate

[01:28:17] The drowned shirtless

[01:28:19] Mary Elizabeth Mastry and Tana

[01:28:21] Seen the least

[01:28:23] Sexual

[01:28:25] Neutering in history

[01:28:26] Pretty much

[01:28:27] Dan what did you call him?

[01:28:28] She's bone white

[01:28:29] Yeah

[01:28:30] I called him traumatities

[01:28:31] Yeah she has those traumatities

[01:28:33] Fuck

[01:28:34] We could get think piece to death

[01:28:37] Stan

[01:28:38] Great thank you

[01:28:39] Lock the gates

[01:28:40] Lock the gates

[01:28:41] Yeah come on

[01:28:42] No lock the gates

[01:28:43] Can you hold on one second here

[01:28:44] I just want to blink check that co-op

[01:28:48] Here let me

[01:28:54] I'm sorry what were you gonna say?

[01:28:56] Lock the gates

[01:28:57] What was the next thing

[01:28:58] You were gonna say about the movie

[01:28:59] Oh you know at Harris

[01:29:00] Pow

[01:29:02] Sorry you can't control it

[01:29:03] Sometimes when you shit your pants

[01:29:05] Absolutely

[01:29:06] So that's what

[01:29:07] And Harris oh by the way also James Cameron told all the actors they had to just pee in their wetsuits if they had to pee

[01:29:12] Oh cool

[01:29:13] Must have been a fun smelling set

[01:29:15] Cuz you're just gonna take too long to get him out of the water

[01:29:17] Moldy pissy actors

[01:29:19] I just love the idea of someone bringing their kids to like set to be like you wanna see daddy work

[01:29:23] It's like why does it smell like Ed Harris' urine

[01:29:25] Why did Ed

[01:29:26] Which has locked James in the face after a take where he's resuscitated and worked

[01:29:30] Why is everyone crying

[01:29:33] Alright

[01:29:34] Mom what's a breakdown

[01:29:35] So we've been introduced to this shit earlier

[01:29:37] It's real this liquid that you can breathe

[01:29:39] It's only been ever used in animals

[01:29:41] Oxygenated fluorocarbon

[01:29:43] Boom when Josh came in today he said

[01:29:45] So what are we gonna talk about oxygenated fluorocarbon

[01:29:48] Oxygenated fluorocarbon

[01:29:49] Now and the movie's science logic is like hey we breathe liquid

[01:29:53] First nine months of our life

[01:29:54] When we're in utero which is not true we do not breathe

[01:29:57] But our lungs are full of liquid

[01:29:59] Yes but we're not breathing per se

[01:30:01] They're saying hey you know it takes a little while to adapt but once you do

[01:30:04] That seems pretty great

[01:30:05] It takes a panicked while to adapt

[01:30:06] That fucking step scene is

[01:30:08] Ed Harris kills that

[01:30:09] It really feels like they are drowning him in pink water

[01:30:12] This chunk of the movie is when the movie really has some momentum

[01:30:14] And it's giving you these really fascinating set pieces

[01:30:17] Which is great because the set piece is just like

[01:30:19] They drown him in this pink water

[01:30:21] And then they're just like okay

[01:30:22] You're just gonna go straight down

[01:30:24] And let's mention this is

[01:30:25] We're just like tying bricks to you

[01:30:27] So you just go all the way down to the bottom of the ocean

[01:30:29] Within the real time of the movie

[01:30:31] This is happening half an hour after

[01:30:33] He punched his wife in some way

[01:30:36] And they basically said they love each other

[01:30:37] Like they're back together

[01:30:39] Like one person just drowned himself on purpose

[01:30:41] And almost didn't make it back

[01:30:43] And he's like okay cool I'm gonna do that thing now too

[01:30:45] Let's admit maybe that's his thing

[01:30:47] Like the movie is that nightmare

[01:30:51] Right and James Cameron's like right

[01:30:52] And at the end of it me and Gail are gonna figure it all out

[01:30:54] Right like it'll work out

[01:30:56] But it feels forced because as we know

[01:30:59] That wasn't what happened

[01:31:00] Like it's like that wouldn't organically happen

[01:31:02] Video village was definitely quiet

[01:31:04] Yeah

[01:31:05] It was a quiet video village

[01:31:07] So then he goes down

[01:31:08] And he notes

[01:31:09] Yeah

[01:31:10] Fuck you

[01:31:12] Guys stand

[01:31:13] And

[01:31:14] He goes down to the bottom of the ocean

[01:31:17] Turns off the nuke

[01:31:19] Cuts a wire

[01:31:20] Well texts a lot

[01:31:21] They put a lot of weights on there

[01:31:22] Like they're going down baby

[01:31:23] A lot of texting tap tap

[01:31:24] He's doing a reverse Jeffer since

[01:31:26] Yeah he's not getting a piece of the pie

[01:31:28] He's moving on down

[01:31:30] He's moving on down and not getting a piece of the pie

[01:31:31] Someone else is eating it

[01:31:33] No he's not getting it they're giving it to someone else

[01:31:35] Chris Elliott is eating it up in the mission control

[01:31:37] I am eating Ed's pie

[01:31:41] And it's in the shape of Ed Harris' face

[01:31:44] There are a lot of weird choices in the director's code

[01:31:46] A lot of weird ones

[01:31:47] You have Chris Elliott

[01:31:49] We really need to add the pie scene and Cameron's like

[01:31:51] It's essential

[01:31:52] You have Chris Elliott singing revised lyrics

[01:31:54] To the theme song to us

[01:31:56] He's not coming out yet

[01:31:58] He's eating a piece of pie in the shape of his co-star

[01:32:01] It's good movie though

[01:32:03] I insist

[01:32:04] I'm sorry I want to take that back

[01:32:06] Stand had come out

[01:32:08] The song had been released

[01:32:10] No but the song is released eight months before the abyss

[01:32:13] Chris has had this song on his head until 1994

[01:32:16] When he got the show

[01:32:17] That's why I think that was his idea for the show

[01:32:19] Maybe he had R.E.M's great album Green

[01:32:21] On his Walkman

[01:32:22] In between takes

[01:32:23] He's you know he's listening to Stan

[01:32:25] I got a great idea for an opening

[01:32:27] If only I could write the rest of a show around it

[01:32:29] I see myself standing and waving while this song plays

[01:32:32] And he worked backwards from there

[01:32:35] They put a bunch of weights on him

[01:32:37] They send him reverse Jefferson style down

[01:32:39] And he's got this little text thing

[01:32:41] And he's in the pink bubble

[01:32:43] Nintendo power glove

[01:32:44] He tells his wife he loves her

[01:32:45] By the way

[01:32:46] I do not believe that he could text that legibly

[01:32:49] On that fucking tiny thing with like a glove hand

[01:32:51] Come on

[01:32:52] It's a big glove hand

[01:32:53] I like the typos they put in

[01:32:54] They should have done more

[01:32:55] But it is element

[01:32:56] It's very cool

[01:32:58] Just the whole idea

[01:33:00] The idea that they're just watching this slow typing

[01:33:03] That he rings tension from that

[01:33:05] It's very cool

[01:33:06] And I love that even just the introductory thing

[01:33:08] Where they're putting the goo in his helmet

[01:33:10] And he's getting used to that

[01:33:11] And they're like okay test out the texting thing

[01:33:13] And he's like this feels weird

[01:33:15] You should try it

[01:33:16] Feels weird yeah