The Angst Of Anakin Skywalker - Attack Of The Podcast

[00:00:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello! Welcome to another episode of Attack Of The Podcast.

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_01]: We're forcing Ben to start the episode.

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_03]: We were just going to stare at each other in silence.

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_01]: We were playing microphone-chick, and now Ben...

[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_03]: ...stifled up to the challenge.

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Pretty sure Ben aka Purdue Ben aka The Haws aka The Poet Laureate aka Mr. Positive.

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_01]: We're adding a new nickname.

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Every week. I'm David Sim.

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Griffin, even. I think I forgot Ben Dooser.

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: We're here talking about Attack Of The Clones.

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_01]: This is the Attack Of The Podcast.

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Attack Of The Podcast?

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Talking about Attack Of The Clones.

[00:00:56] [SPEAKER_01]: The second Phantom Menace movie?

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the sequel to Phantom Menace.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So we got this movie.

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Alright, so we talked about clones last week.

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_03]: We talked about clones.

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about everything happened.

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about my main man, Dexter Jester.

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I almost think I mean in retrospect we maybe should have made that its own episode.

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_01]: We were so into talking about the diner.

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I listened to the episode today. In fact, I was listening to it and we do spend...

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's a...

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Like there's almost...

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like a palpable disappointment that when we have to move on, you know what I mean?

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_03]: We wanted more.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Because we had this idea.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_01]: We realized each major like Fingham or element of the movie takes place on different planet.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of traveling in this movie.

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So when we were planning out the season, we were like,

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what if each episode was centered around a planet?

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Ben clearly like stuck with that and titled this last episode,

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the planet Camino.

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But it takes 40 minutes.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a bit of a planet Camino.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's weird because the planet Camino is like this whale clone planet with like crazy waves and we're like,

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, but this 50's diner.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_03]: We wanted to take for five minutes though.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go back to that.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_01]: We could talk our Camino that was ostensibly the theme of the episode.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But Dexter Jester, we were like stuck on the ground for so long.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Dexter Jester, he's gonna spin off for a TV show.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna talk.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean he can do a great talk show.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But I know, I was gonna say, why not do a fucking Dexter Jester sitcom in the traditional like Alice?

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Look, again, there's so many opportunities for spin-offs in the Star Wars universe that we've seen.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it seems like they took none of them.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Disney paid fucking billion.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe that's maybe they're gonna bring you in Dexter Jester.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what the name of the robot waitresses?

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe we didn't look this up last night.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_01]: No, we didn't.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, FLO.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Flow!

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's so cute.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's like a dash somewhere in there.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like F-dash lower than that.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, of course, yeah.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, God, let's just talk about Dexter Jester again for a whole episode.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, no, no more mention of Dexter Jester ever again.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_03]: That's not sure we're gonna definitely get into it.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Or Dexter Jester.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Or Dexter Jester.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You kind of have a Dexter Jester mustache right now.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I, I, because your mustache is quite thick.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and sort of distractingly prominent as a result.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Because it's thicker than the rest of your face hair.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_01]: One Dexter Jester has that too, where he got stumbling the rest of the mustache.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_01]: What is that?

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_03]: He's got a caterpillar artist's flip flips.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And Dexter Jester.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I think part of the reason why we're doing this.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Have you watched the DVD special features where like there's this sequence where George Lucas is like looking at all the possible Dexter Jester's?

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you should, yeah.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, well, we should watch the special feature.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's like a making up documentary and stuff.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_03]: It's been a long time since I watched it.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But there's like, you know, he's like looking at various heads that they've created for me.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_03]: He likes he likes the Dexter with the big, the big sort of a frog bull frog that neck thing.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe she should do a whole episode on the special features.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of a fun idea.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot, there's a lot of footage I think.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_03]: But what I mostly remember is just there's a lot of footage of poor Obi-Wan.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean poor human Gregor and now look at him just green.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Just running around and it's just green all around them.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_03]: There's like a foam map for them to fall on and that's it.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this creates a segue to what our subject is today because I did watch one special feature.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I watched a little documentary a little featureette.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I believe they would call it about the casting of Hayden Christiansen as Anakin Skywalker.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_01]: That was the one special feature I watched.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I was, I think you see footage of his audition.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Is it against Natalie Portman?

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I think they screened us to them for chemistry together.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_01]: In a real room.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_01]: With real props, some.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_01]: A set.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_01]: No, the screen test was like in a real environment.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It didn't look super like fantasy.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: It looked kind of just like, just like, just a, yeah.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Policy room.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's much better in the screen test.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_03]: So you think the dialogue or the direction or just the general green screenerie that just sort of shut

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_03]: him down?

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's your noted Hayden Christiansen defender.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You called his performance in life as a house as a career moment for all actors to aspire to.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I do think it's the watershed.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like sort of everything in acting is pre or post life as a house for you.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean he's my brand out.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_03]: But.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_03]: You see a brand out with.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I just, you know, I'm so conflicted because I remember loving that performance so much.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Who was it made it lead like, all right.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But I did.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I hated that movie.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So I was like smart.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not good movie.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And just learning enough to know who is kind of Schlockey Oscar bait.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, but I was like, I think that's a really good performance.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And he was getting all the nominations so it felt like validated by the outside world.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's casting felt fine.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it wasn't like, oh, God Lucas misfires again.

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, why is he casting this like, you know, team model?

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, oh, he got himself a young professional actor.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_03]: But he's got his going places.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and that performance deals with.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like he is a sensibly a good kid who is being so overwhelmed by his angst right now that that's getting lost.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the movie to arc the character.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a shitty movie.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It's poor.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I know.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But then where I feel like we're also seeing where the problem comes in.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, angst is not really what we want in this movie.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we don't really want angst.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And that angst in life as a house is grounded in like very real things.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what I'm saying?

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think, you know, you know, not that all them did a good job.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not trying to have phrase this point.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Not that all them did a good job.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But the first Star Wars movie, the first fan of menace movie, we have a lot of British actors.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of, classically, English, British, British, and I would argue that perhaps actors of that background

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: and training are more equipped to deal with a movie like this than someone like Hayden Christian.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And also elevate the people around them.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But Hayden Christian's an alley portman.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, sort of, they're young.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_01]: They're young.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_01]: They sort of just had like an innate ability and good instincts as a kid.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But like, they're more maybe instinctual.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think you know what you're saying.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_01]: As a judge.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_03]: They didn't have enough to work with.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And they were two and experience maybe to really create anything from nothing, which is what they kind of need to do.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And to do the fucking home, not just go like, how would I feel in this scene?

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But to like really have like a well trained imagination to be like a cam on a fucking plan.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a, I can't wait to dig into it.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna be so good.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we're gonna rip them all up.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know what I'm saying?

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I know.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I think Kitten Christian's in life as a shitty script, but you could read it and go, I know exactly what the star is.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I saw him on stage and this is our youth with Jake J. on Hall and Anna Packwin.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_03]: On the way on the West End stage, playing the drug dealer.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Have you seen this is our youth?

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, not the nice kid that's having a good replay of all the time.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Kenneth Lennargan's, this is our youth.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And he was great, you know?

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And he was doing the same brando he kind of thing with the high pitch voice and...

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's like your, it's a little too mannered maybe, but, you know, it worked.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_03]: He was, I mean Jake J. on Hall was the star of that, like that was before Jake J. on Hall was any way.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And we were all like, whoa, this gets crazy.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I just do think that part of it is,

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_01]: that sort of all those affectations kind of worked when he was a certain age and he was playing real kids and real situations because it was like this is a guy who is so little sense of who he is.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_01]: That he's putting on this many heirs.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_01]: In something like attack the clones, it just feels like a shitty performance.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a shitty performance.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I think there are a lot of reasons why it's a shitty performance, but I think all those mannerism.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: We should get to the topic of the week.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So the topic is we're trying to figure out what the fuck this character is.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So I guess it's an Anakin episode, but specifically not the romance, but the character.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_03]: The anger.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_03]: The anger.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_03]: The anger.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_03]: The anger.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And the Anakin Skywalker.

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Also known as trouble on tattooing.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of trouble on tattooing.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, what the fuck?

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so let's just put this in context for a little bit, okay?

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, the first Star Wars movie.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_01]: The Phantom Menace.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Phantom Menace.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_01]: We're introduced to Young Anakin.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a charib.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a charib.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_03]: He's got big chubby cheeks.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's got a rosy smile and loves and yippee.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and he like always is looking on the bright side of life, which is helpful for him because he's, you know, in a pretty dire life situation.

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like, you're, you're, you're a slave to a spare part salesman, build a robot, you know?

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Not much should do on tattooing, except for a race pod racing, do pod racing, do some pod racing.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Just race racing.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, you know, is it a deadly sport?

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Who cares?

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_01]: You'll be fine.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but, and we talked about this a lot on the Phantom podcast.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_01]: The Jedi is keep on going like, this kid, this kid's too angry.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they keep suggesting that there's something boiling away underneath that's, that's going to be a problem.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It shouldn't be a Jedi, he's too old.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Too old, which I mean, look, it sounds like the way Hollywood treats women if you ask me.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_03]: You're telling, so are you think do you think the George Lucas is actually just telling a parable of Hollywood's casting?

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Problems and that's who the Jedi Council are.

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_01]: They want young entrepreneurs who don't have too many opinions or too many emotions.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like a, you can ship in and throw away by the time they're 26.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_03]: It's the situation Rose McGowan has faced.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is.

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And it was an Adam Sandler.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_03]: We got camera where it was.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they want to hear it too.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_03]: One where a big bustier.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, all black show up the girls or something.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, someone did do a great photo shoot, a slideshow of like Adam Sandler on the

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Red Carpet as premieres with like the leading ladies and his movie.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_03]: And in the red carpet isn't he always like wearing basically like a New York jetster's or

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Or what?

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Like he's like the most dressed down guy.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Like a came art chair.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, right.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Like like like a little covered in shiit.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Baggy cargo shorts as well.

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And then the women who have played his wives or girlfriends in the last eight movies.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Soundma High who's played his Jessica Peel.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, Jessica Peel.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_03]: How am I?

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Katie Holmes.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Adam Sandler.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And there's just an don't miss of this own hand.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Manual she creep.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_03]: There you go.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_03]: What's she like half his age?

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Brooklyn Decker.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Jennifer Aniston and Nicole Kidman and who's in Jessica Decker.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And Brooklyn Decker.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's do a Sandler episode sometime.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_03]: What's the best Sandler movie is Zohan?

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_01]: You think period?

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Over Billy Madison.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I would put those two neck and neck.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I think, or even forgetting the original like Zo.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Billy Madison happy Gilmore.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_03]: We're seeing her where he's like, you know, establishing his brand.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Those three are really good.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I think so.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I think so.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's see who she's like.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not a nice film.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_03]: He's made for forgetting funny people who are.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Guys you overlooks click.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Click is weird.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And I love click.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_03]: You love click.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Love it.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you like it when he gets all old because he fast forwarded through life?

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't see that coming.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I did it.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't know that Ben loves click.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Now you haven't been listening to click and click yeah clicking click

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Then secret podcast. Yeah, there's just so much you could say yeah like they're seen where Terry cruise

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Lip sinks to a song and then Adam Sam and a mute him he mute some

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Great, this got our mocha trip our trolls life. Yep. It's weird. He misses the drag entails years anyway

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's get back on to I don't even know how we got on to this

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_03]: We're talking about what do you rewind? It goes back in time. No, I know he does have a remote control

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And he also got their remote control at the beyond section of bed bathroom beyond let's not forget that

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And it was given to my Academy Award winner Chris or walk and the movie was nominated for an Academy Award

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_03]: But it did not win the best picture best

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_01]: It was one of the one of the weird instances of a film only getting one nomination

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know it that's 14 nominees

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_03]: He called all about eaves and it nominated for women just like all about it

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_03]: No, and it didn't all right

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_03]: So we're talking about how Anakin in the first movie is basically a very cute kid with

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_03]: A fairly gyleless kid and yet the film is trying to establish that he is actually like racked with inner dark emotion now Jake Lloyd who

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_01]: We're an update on Jake

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_01]: He's done

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_01]: All right PJ

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe it was the fault of his lack of ability as an act

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_01]: There sure that we were supposed to sense that sort of like rustling building anger within him. Yeah

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm I'm I see we used to maybe he was it looks like floppy titties maybe he was supposed to do a little more with it

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And instead he just said you pee and now this is prod racing and what does this button do?

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I watched these two featureettes

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I watched the one by casting Hayton Christian since I watched the one about

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Casting Anakin and it got down to three kids for the for the Phantom in for the Phantom Manus

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was like a 15 minute featureette that had like the three kids sitting around a table eating breakfast with

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Georgie Portman and Ali Portman

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I think you want to see how they interacted with her and the did screen test with her

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_01]: But it was like they brought the three kids down to like his ranch and we're like doing jumping through all these hooves at them

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_01]: One of them was Michael and Irana, which I never knew he's a great actor

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_03]: He really could have developed into a terrific actor

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_03]: He was a good kid actor too. He was great kid acting. He just kept it up

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So Michael and Irana hit some bullet points was the younger version of Patrick Fuget's character in almost famous

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_03]: That's right

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_03]: So he's better than Patrick Fuget in almost famous

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I think both of them are great. I think Patrick Fuget is a big old trash fire in that movie

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I disagree

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_01]: But he has the great scene where he finds out that he was held back three years

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_03]: He kills him in zoidational in that film like they're interactions so brief, but so wonderful

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And for perspective that is shot like a thousand you're a thousand

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean that's only a little older than he would have been in the fan of man

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_01]: um

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_01]: The uh

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_01]: He was the lead in sky high, which is one of my great movie

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Fangerated yeah super hero academy movie

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a great fucking family. That's the one with Kuroh

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's not the one with Courtney Cox and Tim Allen, which was called zoom and she had a Chevy Chase

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That was called zoom accounting for super hero and that one's bad. Yeah sky high rules guys

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Can't ball. It's got two members of kids in the hall. I remember

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Rules yeah, and then oh he's been in lots of things. He's not a Nick right now

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was in what is it gentleman Broncos or what you know, which is not a great movie

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But you know, he gave it these in performance

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_01]: He's always very strong. He's on willing grace remember. Yes. He played Jack Sun

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, anyway. He's a great actor. Yeah, and clearly the guy paned out

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right. He should have gone with him. What do you know the third kid was?

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_01]: The third kid I'm recognized but he was very dark

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: In a way that was kind of interesting you mean like he was giving like a darker performance

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_01]: He had really sat eyes and there was a sort of like like similar

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Ingrid yeah, which would make sense. Yeah, now I would say I'm watching the three tests Jake Lloyd his test was actually kind of okay

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. He's probably the most professional because he's been in jingle all the way

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_03]: He's been on hook the stars like he knows what he's doing right. I think I can see about Jake Lloyd again

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I know I could see why they picked him from that test

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it was the best one, but I could see why it worked

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But Michael and Arana was the most natural and the best, but he was a little more upbeat

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But getting along over to Anakin the other kid was very angry. All right, and no

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm building your building your build the other kid was very angry and dark and watching that test

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_01]: You're like okay

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Right that would have worked out

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Some better groundwork for what's happening in a tiger the clonth and they were thinking about playing it like that

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_01]: That kid just naturally had a sort of dark energy. Sure. It doesn't yeah, they should have done it

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Instead we just have characters telling us that this kid's angry is got an anger problem

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_01]: No sign of it. No sign of it whatsoever now and then attack the clonth starts out immediately when choose to oh

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Man, I can skywalk

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh fuck I'm so angry at that

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think yeah, it's not just that he's angry

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_03]: It's that his angst is represented in this way that is hard to engage with he's a little shit. Is that where you're saying he's a little shit?

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_03]: He's got this like crappy Bronx accent thing that he's doing

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I hate I hate being a Jedi love

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_03]: We're talking about a character who we know was a slave who was taken from his poor mother

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then the his like mentor was killed and

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_03]: He was thrust into this like terror like we should be on his side. Yeah, I'm saying and immediately were like oh

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Like Obi-Wan will you it's like get this kid a spanking or something like what's the matter with this guy?

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_03]: We do not like him but part of it is it's a failure

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It's the fundamental failure of the film. You don't like you don't sympathize with any of the kids skywalker because he's

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Because he sucks he's selling the whole movie. Yeah, he doesn't have right yeah, you don't see what the appeal is

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's a padman here to anyone really yeah

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And when we say like you know this episode's about to the arch of Anakin skywalker

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It's really an arc in relation to the first movie. He doesn't change that much within this one

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's just that he's different compared to Phantom Man. Right. He's kind of unhappy with everything that happens

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how old is he supposed to be like 18 now? This is the big question yeah like watching the movie when I first came out

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I was younger than him

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, right? I looked at him and I was like this is like a fucking adult. This is a team

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_01]: This is what I have to look forward to and now I want to movey and I he's like a little boy

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, of course in a way that makes me not relate to him

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But like empathize with him a little bit where I'm like what everyone's awful when there are teenage

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I guess I get that I'm saying yeah, sure like it's not a like a little character

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a poor choice for how to frame your protagonist. Here's go ahead

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_01]: But but I do watch it and I'm just like this is bad phase like it's like those three

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_01]: comfortable years in boyhood

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_01]: No, like this kid's really tough to watch but here's the thing

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Why is he talking about like no one talks about their problems like that when they're at 17 year old full with angles

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_01]: The whole mark of 17 year old filled the things that they're incapable talking about communicate their feeling

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_03]: They can't communicate anything and

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_03]: The first thing he's basically seen to Obi-Wan who's basically his surrogate father. Yeah, and he's like Jesus

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, Pad may won't even look at me like a man and it's like he would never say that to never fucking that is all

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, buried deep down those sorts of anxieties and neuroses

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Like here's a question for you. Yeah, let's movey the fact that that's like the open-in conversation

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then he keeps on bringing it up. Oh, man Pad and I can't wait to see you again

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And then after he sees it oh man Pad may have been even look at me. Oh wow, my story

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I do believe she looked at you. Yeah, but not the way I wanted to look at me

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that like for the last 10 years?

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_01]: He just just you're gonna and won't stop talking about to Obi-Wan

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, nobody wants like Jesus Christ is fucking crazy. It's like if that one week with her

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_03]: This is where I don't get I think I asked this five years older

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I asked this already. Why couldn't they just like see her once in a while? Yeah, they both live on Carson

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Just visit well

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I know it I know that the whole planet is a city as band is gesturing. Yeah, the whole planet. Let's remember

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And gave you the whole planet. The whole planet. Yes, sir. Hope planet to see you know the gesture

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure you can all imagine so maybe traffic, you know, it's like oh, I'd love to see her

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_03]: But

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Grand out she lives on the western hemisphere. We're over here on the eastern hemisphere

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_03]: You know who knows?

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_03]: What a weekend trip. I don't know and I know that Jedi training, you know

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_03]: You probably have to go off to the training planet or whatever to do your training

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how the Jedi is trained there all we know is like Yoda

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_03]: teaches you when you're five and then by the time you're a teen you're real painting the ass of the lightsaber

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_01]: You look at look

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_01]: The Jedi and their responsibilities still make very little sense, right? Very little sense

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_01]: But in the two films we have to go off of the Star Wars. That's always soccer. The only two films we have yep

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_01]: The responsibilities seem deeply tied to the Senate

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And the black people thought right they are I mean even though they keep complaining to the not they're basically like Senate policemen

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, they're like doing negotiations quote unquote on half of the galactic public. Yeah, they are

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Eating you know I think it's a it's a Sympathica thing. It's like the Jedi would prefer the Senate exists because that is a democratic method of

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Unifying the galaxy right and the Senate happy to work with the Jedi because they are a bunch of

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Wizards who have lightsabers helpful if Padme after

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You know stepping down finishing her final term as queen was like, you know what? I really just want to light

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Chill out. I want to just move to come in now getting to cloning. It's always been a hobby of mine

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_03]: She would like clone little bugs when she was a kid. Yeah, that just it's casual cloning

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_01]: God, this is so embarrassing

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_01]: No, Padme what is it tell me

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_01]: If I always want to be a cloner

[00:21:58] Okay

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_03]: No, you should do that. I could see you'd be great cloning. You're doing an okay Anakin. I'm working on it

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But you're working on it. I feel like it's too gossling right now

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a little too gossling. It's almost not gossling enough in the movement

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But we've talked about how gossling would have been much better for this and hey and Christian's and his sort of the poor man's gossling

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like you bet on the wrong horse. Oh, yeah totally

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_01]: He's doing the same sort of gossling

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's an ADN and I'm doing this effort to use it like I'm so great

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Tough guy

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't work. Yeah

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, what if Natalie poorman? What do you even say you are making it?

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_01]: The plan is like okay, I don't understand if they never saw her again after that because she's one off

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Got away for it, but it's like she went to Senator right she's still around Senate Jedi right there

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't buddies. They're like there there would have been opportunities for them to see her again

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and like 10 years he's flipped out about it

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_01]: He seems to think they had some connection which is like yo kid like she had a nice conversation with you

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Because you get a little boy and you gave her like a little totem right he gave her the little

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Carved thing that taller look like an angel that's sweet, but like I don't think she's thinking about you all the time

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Probably dealing with some other like love drama. We don't really even know

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and if she has been thinking about you then she's a pacifier because she isn't know you look like grown up now

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, she maybe she looked him up on the old Jedi archives. Oh, yeah, she just snuck in there one day

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_03]: He was like do you do you do what is it Anakin look like these days?

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And then she found out his profile was deleted. She was like I guess he never existed

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right and I won't pursue this any further

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But he's he's like

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_01]: All fucking hung up on her right hmm presumably

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Obi-Wan knows about this because he has minimalists not talking about it. Yeah, he hasn't been able to get over this and also who else is Anakin even talk to

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone probably hears everything right yep

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't you think like Obi-Wan should have rather than just like in the elevator been like

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Anakin like rolling his eyes should have been like

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Anakin I just want to remind you you're not allowed to engage in any sort of sexual romantic relationship with anybody

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And now here's a question because it's actually been a week since I saw the movie yeah

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that explicitly stated or is it just Anakin saying kind of off-handedly like all Jedi's aren't allowed to get married?

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's the it's the latter

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_03]: There's no point at which like the reasons for this are like really clearly defined and the rules are clearly defined

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a monk like concentration

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the night's watch

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, you got a concentrate on your responsibilities on your training

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you don't want you tied down of course because then your emotions could I I

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_03]: It makes a sort of sense like if you had an emotional attachment to someone then your emotions can be played on and your emotional

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Control seems to be so crucial to being a Jedi right well look I mean if the you know

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_01]: The galactic Republic the Senate is like our Senate yeah

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_01]: They've real world analog for the Jedi Council. So you've seen them as kind of like the clergy

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean they are like the Vatican right now

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yoda is kind of like the Pope

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Great

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yard of hope

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but may swim into his the vice-pul? Yeah, he's Pope to yeah, junior pope

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, I had a whole point that I was wait a second. It's uh, yeah the emotional thing I get it

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I get that they're not allowed to have these connections and I get that what we're being told and we see the young links

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_03]: We see the little kids is like if you get these kids really early you can smooth all that out

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and with Anakin they didn't get to do that and so he's a teenager which feels very bad

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_03]: If you want to be a Jedi who's in 12-year motion because this kid is just a teenager

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_03]: He is not in control of his emotions. So if we know anything

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_03]: He's also blessed with these incredible

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Force powers. Tangiers are gonna be rough for anyone. Yeah, right right there are a lot of things going on right

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_01]: You know a lot a lot of different elements stewing in the pot

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, oh yeah, okay then you add on the horror moments add some hormones

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, this is a kid who as we've discussed grew up thinking he would someday be able to find love

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, because he was not adopted by the Jedi's until he was like

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_01]: That's so yeah, right. Yeah

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Was you an oblique he thought maybe I can someday find or you an angel? Yeah, maybe that line will work sometime

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, so now he's going out of control like he's he's had fancies about this right lady

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_01]: He sees her again. She looks exactly the same. She has a age that just looks dull is old

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_01]: She looks mad dull is all that he secretly

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_03]: He's really into that oh yeah, yeah, that's the for some reason that's Anakin's thing. He's got fake jungle fear exactly

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Not his jungle. No, no, I get you he's jungle fear for people

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Me fake

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a daughter of official jungle anyway

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Add into that you know, let's not forget tragic backstory yeah

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_03]: hasn't seen his mother in 10 years right. Why hasn't he seen his mother? What's the rules with this stuff again? Not established

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_03]: If you getting these kids when they're little can they see their family? Yeah, is that do we know well

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_01]: That's for now many of them are

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Recognized and adopted as infants they sense like oh, a lot of force over here

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_01]: The kids never even know they're fucking moms you know and Anakin's so positive in phantom men

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't feel like a deliberate choice but a lot of people who have tumultuous childhoods

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_01]: are sort of

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_01]: High functioning you're able to sort of suppress it and make it true just as a means of dealing with it

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And then teenagers the wall sort of starts coming like that. It's like then they start actually

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Engolaging what happened and becoming super overwhelmed by it unable to function so there's maybe a little bit of that

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But I also think thesis he's just 17 he's a shitty kid. Right?

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_01]: This is shitty kid everyone shitty when they're 17 and also he's wearing dark robes he's transstand out

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's a lot of privilege. He's been told like wow you're so special

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_03]: You're so powerful and he knows it now. I mean he can do all kinds of stuff and if we've learned anything

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_01]: From this fucking generation appearance it says a recipe for shitty kid me me me like me

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_01]: You get exactly

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Griffin asked you to be Griffin kid. I mean there's that moment when he what does he do?

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_03]: He kind of like levitate a pair and chop it up and he's like Obi-Wan would kill me for doing this

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like very clear like he is not allowed to show off. Yeah, like Obi-Wan is trying to be like

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you might think you're special but you're like everyone else like you're just an ordinary patawan

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And don't you go levitating bears around people and but I think you were the one who pointed out I was talking about how

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Conceptually humorous I

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Thought the opening exchange between Obi-Wan and Anakin was and that he's like in my hard time and you were like I think he's a bad that

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that's funny. He's a crappy dad. Yeah, he's like not doing what he should do

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_02]: He's way too loose on him. It's almost like they're more of a duo than a master student kind of thing

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right it's that it's because I'll be once too young as well

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It's young dad. You get you get that I had you know some friends who like had young parents who like weren't ready

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like oh, that's like a friend they drink with and they have no boundaries in life

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_03]: So these are all the things we are justifying Anakin's behavior, but I think we need to again establish the film

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Does a terrible job justifying all of this and just it's like which we're now talking around it being like well

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_03]: This is why maybe and this is why the film doesn't really tell you if you look at all the on one time

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Piece of paper yeah, I'm why this kid is unhappy right but in the movie

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_03]: It paid me doesn't like me. You're such a boss. He Obi-Wan Obi-Wan. Yeah, and then he's on the romance train like it's very quickly

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Separates once again is a little shit. Also. Why did he let him say he's a pattern like you shouldn't be in charge of something

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I know I know I'm a sick cart charges security. He says that remember well

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And we're doing next week's gonna be the romance episode. Oh my god

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_03]: But that's gonna be about I feel like the utter failure at crafting a dramatic room like you know

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Like our guests might disagree. Oh my god, which is what I'm looking forward to oh Rachel you're out of your mind

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Rachel Dolores. Yeah

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But but

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_01]: They're bad for going okay. We need someone to take care of Padme we need someone to investigate where this dart is coming from

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's send Obi-Wan the one who's really experienced level had it emotionally

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_03]: mature yeah to investigate the dart yeah, which consists of having one conversation in a

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Adynor and then walking into a place where everything is explained to you. Yeah, that's the whole thing

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's have Anakin who's a little poop. Yeah, and has and and he's a

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Boyling culture of emotions and his publicly expressed as sexual interest in this woman which is not allowed to act upon let's let her be alone with her

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_03]: For an indefinite period of time and as we'll talk about a little more the next week

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I bet you know Padme takes charge of that situation right away

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_03]: She just starts bossing him right away

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go to Nubu and he's like I don't want to go to Nubu. That's about Adynor

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Like listen we're going in a boot and then they're like let's go to tattooing and he's like we should go to yeah

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_03]: That's even worse idea. What are you talking about? She's like it's gonna happen. Okay, dangerous question

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think the way that some women

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Have father issues

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Are then attracted to men who are sort of like distant and dismissive of them

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And they've to fight against the stereotype to what you refer do you think that similarly Anakin as someone who has raised us a slave

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, is attracted to someone who's like

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_03]: This is a terrible line of questioning, but you're saying that but at the same time

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of watering, but even yeah, but but she's given him the old loto

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess but it mean his mother is so like nurturing and kind

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_03]: So I guess it's yeah, he's not after that though. I mean well, you know

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Padme's pretty nice. She got a little bit of both

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_01]: She got a little bit of both Padme's not a character

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's tough to talk about this because it's like there's just not enough of Padme's personality to really identify

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_03]: What she is exactly she does boss him around

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But that's just because the plot needs them to go to the next place

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_01]: The first time they handed an alley portman a Academy Award winner, Nallie Portman and the script for attack of the clones

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Tortures like our hero we're going here. She's like oh my god. I'm so excited to read this and she picked it up and turned the first page and it evaparated

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Turned it dust in a flew away. I don't even know what you're talking there's not a character

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_03]: There's nothing that I'd like it's really

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_03]: She's a series of plot devices. She's the plot device of like let's solve the mystery

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And then of let's hang out with Anakin and fall in love with him because that will cause him to you like have troubles

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then I guess let's have a gladiator fight at the end with monsters. We'll get to that

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so he's on detail with Padme

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_02]: To win like what happened to the apprehension that all the other Jedi had for Anakin

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Between movie one and movie two

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It's awesome. They're just like well we kind of sent something as off with this kid, but he's the future

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_01]: In the first way they had a lot of trepidation with nothing apparent to base that off of yeah in the second

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_01]: To see the kid totally seems like he's heading a bad direction

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and everyone's like I think it'll be one sky. Is there no discussion? I feel like there's one conversation between Obi-Wan and me

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Swindoo and Yoda where they're like you know how's Anakin doing is there not am I making this up?

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I mean I know there's a cover we'll get there's one later sounds like good. It sounds like a scene in the movie

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, where they're just chatting and you're zoning out looking at Twitter

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the other one is that there's all this fucking pressure on him to bring balance to the forest

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a lot of pressure. There's a lot of pressure

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so he's on security tell with Padme I forgot how they even fucking get this movie

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I've set this door. No, no, no, remember they kind of dress up in secret

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And they take like a transport to

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes, remember they kind of dress up in an ordinary people club. No, but how they get to tattooing?

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I think they just take her start ship

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I think at that point just says I want to see I'm I think he says maybe yeah, no, he's having visions

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, right mother in danger. Yes, he's having nightmares and the Swiss men this romantic weekend on

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's not talk about the run into true. Don't talk about in specifics, but like that's going on

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And then he has these visions of his mother in danger

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And he I guess he's like I can't do anything about this. It's just dreams

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what she's like yet. No, and she's like we're gonna go to tattooing

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like that's a bad idea and she's like well

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going in your my body guard so you gotta come with right fuck talk to me like I'm a slave

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Do then again

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me what I got it to fly around. I'm gonna resign from the spot guys being in a semedic stereotype come on

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And in tattooing he does me want it. Oh, please

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Should we talk about this now? Yeah, okay the best time to talk about it. Yeah, yeah, so I

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to point out this is the least sticky least memorable movie in the world

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_01]: We already can't remember it like how you're kind of

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, they go to tattooing and they landed Moss asked by I guess right. It's like oh

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Remember this and he got right and he goes to find water and it's kind of a good idea in the movie actually

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Return to the scene of the first film which we remember but like everything's a little different

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And Anakin is no longer like the helpless slave like he's

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that powerful Jedi powerful Jedi?

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a pad one, but

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Every's got a pretty light saber and he goes to see water water looks the same except for a hat

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_03]: He's got unbelievable hat. He's got a it's kind of like a world war one

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Neatle helmet tea kind of thing, but it's very flat

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, with a little indentation for his and I need a little bulbous head iron cross right

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_02]: As well yeah, he's a self-hating Jew yeah

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like he's maybe his vest has more pockets in it. I mean, but he's pretty much rocking the same thing

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But with this little sun hat which is like that time you should I mean I two points one is that had probably

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Provied some necessary shape from from the unrelenting

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_01]: sunlight of

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Tats are the binary

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_01]: second point if you're gonna wear any hat

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_01]: To protect from the sun why pick one made of metal that's gonna be scolding a real hot

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_01]: He put it on once and now he can't take it off because it's your sis melted to his flesh. It's like Dr. Dune's mass

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_01]: He put it on to like cover a one little scar in the melted his entire face and that is by the way

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_03]: It is the weirdest thing about Dr. Dune's origin story that it's like yeah

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_03]: He just teach put that mask on a little too fast

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh no, I love he's a genius. No, I know I get that it's a patient and his and one also his van is extremely van

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_01]: One scar which he felt so self conscious about

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Doing make me a mask and they were like okay your mask is done. He went okay give it to me

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_01]: He had he'd just put it on his whole fells

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_03]: So in the in the new movie is it like he goes with him?

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_01]: That's that idea to the to which is off of ultimate fantastic

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which I don't like but he doesn't have the I mean I think he but doctor is sort of cyber

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Dr. Dune's a tough

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Character should do in the modern film world

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Tough tough character to do I think and I did you know I spent most of my high school. Yeah, I do now

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I wrote my college admissions essay on fantastic for yeah and about like the way you would do it

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing I would want to do more in the world than like a 60s fantastic form movie

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me say the second thing I want to do most in the world is make a fantastic form movie the way I think it means we made the number one thing

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to do in the world's fuck T.C. 14

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's just a

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Million man played him in the Tim story movie. Yes, is he in the second one here? Yeah, yeah, he's awful

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Attparable he's a not a good actor anyway

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry Julian Chris Evans is the only good piece of casting and that's why that's that's sense correct

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry Washington now. Okay, actually no wait

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Like a checklist in those movies oh god

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know I think he's overdoing it. I think he's overdoing it. I think he's all right

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Paralyze I think it's a real ham sandwich performance

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's a ham sandwich and the names you want a ham sandwich

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's too ham sandwich. I mean maybe he's given the right tone for the movie

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't have such a hand-me tone

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's enough pathos and I think the court of Ben Graham is that he's miserable

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Remember yes, that's true. Remember in the first movie how like they just take down Dr. Doom by like putting him in a box

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And then he like wrap it up with like flame and stretchy guy

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's really bad

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so bad the second one better because Stanley is rejected from attending the wedding

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Even though he's Stanley

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the only good part of the second movie. Remember that yeah, this one's better in the same way that like having HIV is better than having AIDS like anyway

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_03]: How many how many things are we gonna say on this podcast that we'll get us banned from the UCB for life?

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean look if you think this is a fan and people wait till Rachel's on next

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh Rachel she's gonna have a lot of things to say

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It's all

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_01]: They're on tattooing they see water my favorite character yeah, and they say what happened to Shme?

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, well you're missing you jump in way ahead all right fine way yeah, okay. I think this is beat by beat

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But I know it David this is my favorite character. We've been building all right water. What does he do? I don't remember

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think we got a Gnautraff the bat the fire in his eyes is

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_03]: It's true. He looks real sad. Yeah. That's true and he has grown out. He's sitting outside like he's not even in his shop

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like a vendor. Yeah, it doesn't look good no he looks us but looks a little run-in

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_03]: It looked like even though it's already looked pretty run down like yeah, it looks like it's on harder times

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe yeah, and he just looks like he's like selling some pencils and the cop or something

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got more stubble than even usual and she takes a second to recognize and more than second

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_01]: He's not even like selling it as hard as he is to yeah, it was and they're like hi

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know a

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Now I think he says the heat sold her to another to the to the large family

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_03]: He's not like he freed her, but they have yeah, oh, he's just that she've then like one of the large

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Family fell for her and they freed her and they got married. No, I think that happened

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the whole idea is that like all water did was sell her yeah, I think he sold it because he knew she was in love

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, I didn't say money. He sold her and then at the large home-stead

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, Owen which one is it? No the clay glars clay glars right fell and oh, and they're kid or yeah

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And for Ruth's girlfriend

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you know, oh, and he's like his kid from a previous marriage. There's a lot of like couple of family shit

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Joel Edgerton plays the great Joel Edgerton. Oh, and which is crazy. Yeah

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, but I want to hit him this fall off time. I did another Australian actor

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Water does not even recognize anic. No, no, I mean he has grown and changed into a different person

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Right completely the actor. So you know serious question has that

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Ever worked has there ever been a case of an actor being switched from one franchise entry to another in which you are

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is the same as being the same emotional arc. I always end up

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Unconsciously thinking of it as a different character. Yeah, no, I do know what you're saying

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't think of an example of that off top of my head where it works. There might be something like Don Sheetles really good Iron Man 3 and yeah

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But I failed to connect that to

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Terrence Howard's character and Iron Man 1. I just go these are two different characters right, but like Terrence Howard's character and Iron Man 1 is such a ridiculous

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Non-factor that it doesn't matter

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_03]: You could almost pretend that that was another guy even though it's the same guy. Yeah when they also

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Could not be more different as actors in style and physical appear. Don Sheetle is not a

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Credible in those movies, but he's pretty good. He's solid and I actually like to malad in age of all-tron

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I think Don Sheetle just figured out how to be that kind of funny

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know that after a long and wonderful career in which he's very funny in movies like Boogie Knights

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's a different like it's a much more like actorly kind of an now if the ocean's trilogy terrible

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just great

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_03]: comedic performance right like he's loosened up in it later in his career and I guess this house of lies

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_03]: He's on it

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Be creative John Don Sheetle had played Anakin in the third star Wars movie that ever existed

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_01]: But it almost feels like meta commentary like they're like, oh you wouldn't recognize this kid because it's a different fucking person

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you think so. I think it's just lazy writing I think so too

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but so why does it say it was any

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's been so long

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But he's like he's still even seemed sad about it like he's a little melancholy

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_03]: He misses him and I think he's genuinely happy to see that he's like oh Jedi now

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, he's like impressed but I just like what does he mean real broken down? It's not how I want to see

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It's fine. That's the all that's always see if him. He's really just there

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Just give us a little bit of info which is a soldier me

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_03]: To this to the Lars homestead and that's it, man

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so they like speed up I go over the Lars homestead and again like I don't I

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I was trying to remember and I can't even unpack she married click

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_03]: They bought her as a slave and he was like oh

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_03]: What it tastes like yeah? He was like is that a Swedish accent? Yeah

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So he's love with her and then you just marry and it's presented is a nice thing

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess it is it's a little weird. No, not your average to meet cute now

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly, how did you know my mom well I purchased her from a two foot Jewish alien

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Who would fall in on hard times and needed the money yeah, and I brought her home and

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Caught a glimpse of her in the shower. No, I don't know

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't understand how you crossed that line from being slave they must be blown or too equal lovers

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, that's a weird conversation to have what the only way you can justify it is that it was immediate

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they bought her and they were like wait a second your wonderful person. Let's for you right away

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Right if there was any like length of time where she was a slave

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And they were her masters. I don't think that's a very

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Positive relationship

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Like one of these colonial guys who's like sleeping with his slave and then fathering a bunch of fathers

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_01]: That fathering a bunch of children who never acknowledge the existence of like strong thermon right

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_01]: This is like oh

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Never mind you're not you're not a slave. Yeah, it's just oh wow your great forget the whole slave thing even though wow

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_02]: What an investment one book could you take care of the dishes? Yeah, bye the way

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Is a moisture farm that's what a trump card to have anytime we got a fight with her be like remember

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_01]: 20 years ago. Yeah, I did choose to not keep your services as a slide anyway

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not even clear how long they've been together. It's been at least 10 years but probably less

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_03]: A click large though seems like a really nice man. Very nice. He doesn't have legs. He's in a floaty chair

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So he had some kind of industrial accident or something and he's got this kid

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_03]: They mentioned it. Oh, I think that Owens like his kid from a previous marriage or something. Oh, it's not his kibushmi is that what you're asking?

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, I know it's not just kibushmi. I'm just trying to remember like what he ever he's a nephew or something

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, it's just kid from previous Mary right and and Owens got

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_01]: A girl friend like Anakin's stepfather now. It's just it's just he would be like human

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Right to any kid that Anakin might have a critical children and

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just interesting because Joel Edgetton is playing him and I know Joel Edgetton was not famous then

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it's just if there's a suggestion of like oh, maybe this character would pick up some thread later on

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's same way the Rose burn thing

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like you totally why they cast Rose burn in that crucial crucial role. Yeah, it's dorming

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I have about 20 copies of his uh the Star Trek trading. Oh, Star Wars training card

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but those two characters because the two of them have gotten to become two of our finest living actors

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Joel Edgetton Rose burn yeah are two of my favorite most consistent actors working to wait

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_01]: You like Joel Edgetton what's he been good in recently? You don't like Joel Edgetton? I can find I'm trying to think of

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_01]: What I've seen him in I mean if we just fucking look at his biography

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I think everything does well a he's got he and his brother produced a lot of Australian movies

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_01]: helped write some of

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I know they did a

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Along with David me showed

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_01]: He was one of the main forces behind animal kingdom, which I think is a great

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good movie. I'm just trying to think of a rope right in like very much

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think he co-wrote that warrior warrior. He's amazing and warrior over was okay. I don't like the rope

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I liked him and oh, he was an exodus which I didn't see as Ramsey's that was I heard he was getting that at the movies

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And I liked him in the great gets me and I liked him for 20 seconds in 0 dark 30 although he doesn't have a big role

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Love them both of those. Where's the one have you seen where? Yeah, where is my love? Yeah, where's my movie everyone's good in that

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like he's still not been coming like I'd love to see him really prove himself

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a directorial debut coming at he didn't move you with Rebecca Hall and Jason made me look so again

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that the box movie? Yeah, what's it called the I think it's called the gift? The gift which is already in the title

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Come on always, but I'll let you off that decent samurai movie. Yeah very decent very decent written by

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Joel ledger to Billy ball Thor. Oh, that's right. Yeah, I knew that all right anyway

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_03]: They go to the large homestead bad news Anakin well first all good news

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_01]: You're mom had a happy life. Yeah, for a few years. I made right her. Yeah. She's not a celebrity more

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna tell you that was her own will yeah

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_03]: That I forced her to see because I wonder right and we live on this motor farm family

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, great. Can I see her that's the bad

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Darn

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Just mister she was kidnapped by Tuscan Raiders. Yeah, what's yeah?

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing we can do about yeah nothing I can do about it. I mean the old chair. Yeah, no legs. Yeah

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I got a metal rounded off legcap so

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_03]: All right, we just stay for dinner. We saw the Tuscan Raiders briefly in Phantom Menace. They take pot shots at the

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Potraise. They're watching the pot raise

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Quite scary. Yep, like mummy types, you know they're bandaged and they have these weird eye things and spikes and they make this like

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Like terrible noises

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course what is it?

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_03]: People they're not a person people they seem like a problem. Yeah

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_03]: They're they're an unfortunate element in Tatooine in society

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So what does Anna can do hops on a speeder gets over there?

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Speed or bike. It's either bike gets over there, right? There's no he just like that's the next step

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and they have a really nice conversation and he's like see thing with anger

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_01]: About that red mistreated me like look on the bris right and I think they're just like hey nothing

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_01]: We can do about it. Yeah, it does seem like feels sort of respondent

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like I love your mother. I don't know and it's like what no go fucking find it

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a weird scene. Yeah, it's a weird scene because it's it again like so many scenes in this movie

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like well

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_03]: That gives Anna can the prompting to do this next thing. Yeah

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just there to let him do another thing every scene in which someone talks to Anakin their final line could be

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the information do with it. What you will

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I've laid out the cards on the table

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_03]: So Anakin who's had a response and it can seize by rage

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which is not cool for a Jedi. No, but makes sense because his mother has been kidnapped

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, goes to the Tuscan camp. Yep, sees his mother bound to like he's really lucky

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_01]: They're a lot of parts he walks into one and she's yes

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_03]: He picks it right he likes cuts it open with his lightsaber

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Which feels like it's a little sweet. I just take your fingers and just like it's like made of paper

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like a bead door

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, sees his mother. She looks bad. She looks real bad

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_03]: The movie is rated PG so we're not really told what's been happening, but we can guess

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's a bummer. She's a tight-up. Yeah, she's been brutalized

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Sheer her face is sort of scratched up and yeah, yeah, and I you know

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they were just hitting her first sport yet

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_03]: He's actually not made clearly like what do the Tuscan readers want? What do they want? Like obviously they need food and stuff like in the hands of the raiding

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But like when do they get into with a person? And they said that she was like outrunning errands or something right like she got kidnapped when she was like outdoing something

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And they like take her back. It's been a little while

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it wasn't like oh she got taken yesterday, right like it's been a little while they just assumed she's dead

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_01]: They get her there

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_03]: That's doing to rough place clearly. It's like tat raiders got her on the wife three

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_03]: But it wasn't for oh my

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she likes no legs. Yeah, it wasn't for like ransom. Yeah, no, this is just they're just gonna

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_03]: They're just I mean they are very other

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_03]: These people because they are it's just they're just monsters. They're just desert monsters that kidnapped women and god knows what yeah

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_01]: For god knows what reason some misconduct has perhaps been happening on the edges of this PG movie and

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, she dies in Anakin's arms happy to see him. She's so happy to see him. It's quite it's

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Probably the most successful emotional moment in the movie. Well, yes once again. She's great solid as a rock

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, in Christian's and his fine. I mean he's doing the kind of angry tears, but he's most react

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It's justified. Yeah, and then once in the movie his emotional

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Overreactions are just if right by the recent

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Overreaction like plot over reactions of the movie, but yes so much of the movie someone's like, hey, Anakin how are you doing? He's like I'm doing terrible

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Bad

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck you and this one scene. It's like oh you get why he's this anger. Yes, I'm so like fucking clanching his teeth and shit

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So uh it's another example of like oh, I mean you got here like just in time to say goodbye

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Months I think I mean we're gonna

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know now I want to rewatch it and just see if there's any details on given on that nope, but the point is he shows up

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And she just happens to die tummies after he shows well I guess she was holding on hold now

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Hope she sees him that gives her the first of energy for like one last moment with her son and then then it's all gone

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And then he takes out his lightsaber. He takes out his lightsaber and it's a nice nice bit of

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Directing from Lucas

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Comes out he chops off a head in anger a tusk and raider head and the like the like the

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Wipe like the circle life yeah goes to his head like

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And then away yeah, and we as he later tells Pat me he killed him all well so you're saying this is nice

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a direction. I mean, I just like it's it's it's a bit of flare. Yeah, I just like the flare

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_01]: We seem step out and it's like oh here are all the Tuscan Raiders here are the man

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Here are the women with their babies like got the little sort of like the later babies and they and there's some dogs for like some Tuscan Raider like no dogs

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's hunting season yeah and as is a PG 13 movie we can't just see he's he

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm sorry PG movie and a PG 13 movie he would have taken them all out on screen right

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_03]: To PG movie so he can't just slice all their heads to pieces right and so even the one you see the decapitated

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_01]: It's more suggested. Yeah, you see a test career

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_01]: You hear the sound right okay, so then it goes to

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yoda and Mace Windu hard cut to Yoda and Mace Windin. I guess I forgot about this. Yeah, see I've rewatch parts

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, go ahead. Yeah, this morning

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Hard cut and Yoda is like oh

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man, he's guys eyes closed. He's like oh, but it maces like hey, what's up and goes

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Lying her yeah, yeah, oh

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like a lot darkness out there in the force world. Yeah, I mean, she's like what do you talk about? He's like

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Some bads happen with Anakin and they both just go like

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, so what would you you want to get lunch at the usual place?

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_01]: He just totally

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Then they open the blindes you want to breed us right right right they like acknowledge that he can sense

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of pain and suffering. That's why he's a pain and suffering

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Which remember in Phantom S he went like fear leasing anger anger

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a hate leasing suffering

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It's so suffering like that's his big like so he's goes a lot of fear pain and suffering right now

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's kind of looking each other and going oh, what's your gun? I would go

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Not keeping any tabs on their chosen one so Anakin gets back he's like tells Pat me

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Plots in around the shop like you know C3 Pio's there they reconnect. Oh, we forgot C3 Pio has a silver plate

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he sort of he looks cool actually. He's all sort of dusty and yeah

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It's no longer open wires. Yeah, so I guess shme kept him and then they used him on the farm

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then this someone someone bought coding for him

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_01]: He looks he looks like a rustier version

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Once again, you're just like why is C3 Pio in this movie? I don't understand

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Like that character in the first movie

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I actually think he I actually love the sequence with him later, but we'll get to that. Yeah. Well, we'll get to that

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I actually really enjoy that. Yeah, you know it's completely unjustified. Yeah, no, but I love it

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's I'm just fired why he even why he's involved right?

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_03]: But nonetheless it's a classic jar jar in mosa sense, but it's much better than jar jar

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's much more comically success, but it's another example of like why would you bring that guy here? He's a protocol

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Joy, he lives on a moisture farm right anyway

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's like taking around like look at in the shop right

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a great question did clicklers have to buy C3 Pio separately?

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, maybe what I was like anything that's a two for one or when like

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Shme was getting married and they were equaled out

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_01]: He was like and he's slave announced he's like I do have a half finished robot my nine year old made

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, this is a good question. I think it technically belongs to her because Anna can build it for her

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know the rules of slavery Anna. Yeah, we got to pressure on the rules of slavery

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So okay, so he's there and he's like fucking tinkering around in the shop and happens like what's up

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's given his real this is hidden Christians that's quote unquote Oscar scene right this is like emotional breakdown

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably as we're seeing the movie

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_01]: It's terrible he says there animals and I saw them like animals killed them all of them

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Not just the men but the women and the children

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't do it in the natural way that you're doing it right now

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_03]: He really hammers home every moment of it right and so the idea is it massacre

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and of course Padme uses this takes this as a moment to like fall more in love with him or something

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_03]: But we'll get to that next week now and that's it

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Basically it

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Well then after that he's just sort of normally yeah, he goes back to kind of Jedi again a bit of a hothead and we'll talk about the climax of the film where he kind of rushes at

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Duke who's who soon you know makes some sort of hothead decisions, but that's it

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Now that's just like it's like another seed being planted for some future like plot line

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Like Anna can struggles with his anger and it's to do with his like twisted childhood

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's let's unpack this you know a little more for okay

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So like the Duke who stuff that comes later like his anger later point it's it's preservation

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like self preservation he's transfer vibe he's in like do or die battle

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's also it feels just more along the lines than the first scene the speeder chase where it's like

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Obi-Wan's like be careful

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_03]: You know caution and it's like I'm gonna take a net you know right more classic anyone would have these teenage hothead moments right

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Not oh my parent my mother was raped by Tuscan Raiders for months at a Tuscan Raider camp

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, and I flipped that and killed and I click literally killed everyone in a blind white rage

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So let's break down the actual nature this attack right go ahead

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Some I know as Jedi's they are trained not to retaliate or secret vending or things like that nothing emotional

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Don't use your powers with like an emotional bent, right isn't it the idea kind of try to keep that out of it

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but these dudes are in use positive emotion sure yeah, right these dudes have been is pretty much implied by the film

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Raping his mother tied up in a hot for months, right?

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_01]: You so if Jedi's or defenders of the peace

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure why not some actually speak take it, but I feel like let's say it's proportion

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but you see I think it's not saying it's rapport no, no, but I'm saying like I think it's like the prime directive in Star Trek

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like just because tattooing has this problem with all these Tuscan Raiders

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Does it mean that Jedi are allowed to just come in exterminating

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's a little bit of an Elliott rod

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, but they as they like wipes out the entire race because yeah, like is angry about we don't know how many them were involved

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Right the women the children I

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't know if this is supposed to be like a shocking moment like oh my god

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know Anakin had it in it. Well, the film doesn't really know either right this is my point

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's such a little shit that we just go I don't care what he fucking that he could do anything

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care and then the fact that we don't have to see it on screen

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_01]: That we don't have to live with like the brutality of it visually. Yeah, doesn't really let it land as like a horrific act right and the way he

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Describes it to Padme is so like fucking like whiny yeah, that was just like I don't know

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not for killing anybody no, it's a

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it also is like we know these guys did something shitty. Yeah, but he killed all the women in the church

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not good. It's not really should have been like

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_03]: You know killed whoever was guarding her and then like recovered her body and been like who did this and

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Do the leader we need to see a scene like that because if the point then it's just be like some

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't think you're one side of time if the point if this scene of this plot thread in the movie is to make a scared and be like

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, what's what's happening to Anakin?

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_01]: We need to see something like if the one person to cap to it was a woman

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure and or child or something like that like what we see is like you to capitate the one

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_03]: You're saying it's almost not transgressive enough in one way. Yeah, yeah if we're supposed to be like shocked by this

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a little shocked by it. I think I'm more shocked by it than you are

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's shocking that he has I don't think it's justifiable

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's shocking in

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_01]: In the abstract

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the way the film presents it is not shocking. We have to step back and go like oh

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess that is terrible. I think the other problem is that it's just the film going like see

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_03]: See we told make sure you remember this that he did this thing evidence

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like a 14-year-old writing a history paper and like like hamficidly inserting a quote that's like and that justifies the evidence

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I you know like it's it's too obvious but this is my question for you

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_01]: What the fuck is George getting at what is he trying to do here?

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's like there's a tension between the light and the dark side that Yoda talked about in the first movie and here it is

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Could he turn evil?

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Right

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_03]: You did that's where it's going

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's what the first movie speech is about a fair turns to anger and it goes to say you know that's the path to the dark side

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't feel like a bad guy. He feels like a 17-year-old who had like well

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_03]: This is where the movie completely flops like there's nothing scary about him like you said

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah totally he just feels really emotionally unbalanced like my friend his emotions could be played

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_03]: We know Darth city is his out there. Yeah, we know he's looking for a new Darth Mall

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's I guess he's got count to go now. We'll get to that yeah count to go so long in the tooth

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, all right, Peter's really oh God, the greatest for laying well

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_01]: He's so good best performance in the movie by a million million miles. He and his long teeth. Yeah

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_01]: My friend Scott is is a high school giant counselor of therapist great

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_01]: He always says that being a teenager should be legally admissible in court as a defense for insanity

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, and I'm not saying like as a teenager who cares if he kills someone? No, I don't care if he kills them really

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Well because we don't know the arts cargers. There's no emotional

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It's yeah, it's not to see the death so it doesn't feel horrifying and the way he describes it is so childish and the performance is so bad

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't register like our dominant dog is this guy sucks not like that's a horrible

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_01]: She even like it takes a couple scenes to go like oh, he murdered a bunch of children

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It goes so well, you're going like that's a bad line

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_03]: He used his Jedi powers. The guess is the easiest way to put it

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's like maybe shouldn't have been left out in his own like I'm not trying to make it

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, no, I'm not right. Maybe it was raised poorly like I don't know if the point is that

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_01]: We're supposed to sense it like oh he had this dormant evil and I'm the whole time

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it comes off as that. I think it comes off as like he wasn't raised properly

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's more reacted poorly in a situation you've used his power

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't think it's dormant evil

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's more that he is vulnerable to being played on a little more than the classic you know

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Munk like

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Balance Jedi. It's just here's someone who's very tricky tricky case

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_01]: This isn't way there's a sense way for children. No, yeah, I guess so it's kind of for all you just Anakin is the lead character

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like Phantom as we are now agonizing how there is no lead character Anakin's the lead character

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this supposed to be the audience to get like he is like he is definitely

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because like Padme only exists to service there's not an argument and Obi-Wan's a subplot

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_01]: The mystery is a subplot right absolutely Anakin is the lead character in this film

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Dolly character what is George trying to do by going like hey kids?

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Remember that kid you liked in last movie now he's a really unpleasant teenager. Oh, and now he kills people

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But at the end of the movie he gets the girl and saves the day loses an arm though

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, wait the okay

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Spoils of war what fucking narrative is this he's telling again

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's the same problem Phantom and his has and which something we're gonna have to investigate

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll listen to the commentary it is planting seeds for something in the future that never came to fruition

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It is absolutely up to that each movie has to be its own movie. He has to make sense with a fucking movie

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_03]: If you think each movie has to be its own movie, then attack the clones is a failure. It's a failure

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_03]: As it's on movie as it's as a sequel

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_03]: It was our new question is it against as a sequel?

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not a total failure. Yeah, yeah, but as its own movie

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_03]: No good like you couldn't watch this and really pick up what the fuck is going on

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_03]: You would need to watch the Phantom Minister get who the Jedi are and who badmises

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_01]: But if our question is is it a good sequel this is directly furthering all the foreshadowing

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_01]: The badly but it's doing for the Anakin character in the first I don't know why that didn't make sense

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean the first one I don't know why that's a thing this I had to follow up on right, but no you're

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Is equalizing that they laid some groundwork for this and now they're following up on it poor right

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think yet each if you're making it let me just talk in the abstract here

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_01]: You're making a movie each movie should be a complete story

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then if you get a chance to make another one you go. Okay. Here's the next story that happens here

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can't just go about the story

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_01]: You can't just go like oh I'm trying to get to this end point so each movie

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's only get to a one tenth of the story the problem is you can't just want to get to something right

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_03]: It's I don't even mind a serialized narrative in a sequels like you know

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't mind if it doesn't completely stand alone

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_03]: But there needs to be something interesting happening that's not just

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_03]: 17-year-old has series of temper tantrums. Yes, yeah

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Boy well next week though

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_03]: It's how about that romance. How are you feeling Ben?

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Um

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to hit rewind and do it all over again. Well, well the movie you want to rewatch

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Now the podcast recording

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Really? Yeah, that's a good that was oh

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_01]: You're saying you want this back to right now. Yeah, I want to do it again. I thought you're singing you want to really

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, though you're saying it was so fucking terrible. Yeah. No, it was so great

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like I want to experience it again. Mr. positive over here. Oh

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_01]: positive

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It was a delight seeing you this week as it is every week

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I always thanks guys. You're welcome. Yeah

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_03]: So next week, but no next week the romance. Yeah

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_03]: We're gonna have a guess perhaps the film's greatest failing

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_03]: The romance oh god, there's so many failings probably yeah

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I would say this is the film's greatest failing

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And we talked about this week, but it's very tied to the next thing we're talking

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and akin is the film's greatest failing. Yeah, but next week and the close second is the visual effects

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the film second greatest failing next week is a good friend of ours Rachel

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Rachel the whole song

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna keep up this bit that it's Rachel dollars all the time

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, but anyway, I guess I didn't know that Rachel is an actual

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Fan of the romance. Well, she sent us an email that was like it was intense guys

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what your plan is, but if you're doing an episode of romance, please let me up here on and she explained to us that she'd done like

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Fan art and like music videos. Yep, like all these like she was very invested in this romance at the time the movie came now

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Right so this romance

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if she still sounds like I bat the time totally worked for her. I just as a preview

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I will talk about I used to read Empire magazine, which is a British film magazine that I was obsessed with it's a very good magazine

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and they notoriously gave this film five stars their highest record

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a perfect day. They gave Phantom 4, which is bad enough. They gave this five and predicted that it would be the most financial

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Successful film ever made beating Titanic, which is the current record holder because in their eyes

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_03]: It was Star Wars plus romance for the girls right?

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_03]: The Phantom Master that well why wouldn't the sequel this has romance for the girls yeah and so like obviously

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_03]: There's the most wrong headed prediction ever made because the romance is a failure

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But there must have been some girls of a certain age and young, you know younger like sort of our age 12 13 at the time it came out

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, who were actually invested in this romance like our guests next week. I can't wait to talk about it

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, what I was not invested me neither boy. Oh boy. Yeah, probably the worst age for our age like you know

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Worst date when you're 12 or 13 romance

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_01]: That but it does feel like they were trying to replicate the Titanic formula, which is like

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Crazy shit happening with the boys tragic romance in front of it, but the title there's no formula

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Titanic that would be special special special special thing yeah. It's a tank works against all

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Lot of it's okay. All right

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, okay look forward to that next week

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for listening

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Keep on doing so and and as always

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And it can's a little shit

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me try again. I want a better. I want a better end all as always