The Animatrix

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David Blank Check with what to say or to express

[00:00:13] All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check

[00:00:20] It's the Anna podcast

[00:00:22] Wow, great. After all that

[00:00:24] I mean, what was it gonna play?

[00:00:25] I don't know

[00:00:26] It's the final flight of the podcast

[00:00:28] Okay, great. Congratulations

[00:00:30] Yeah, that's fine. I just didn't want to

[00:00:32] My name's David Sims

[00:00:33] Oh, hi everybody. My name's Griffin Newman

[00:00:35] And welcome to Blank Check with Griffin and David

[00:00:39] The Podchowski casters, the final bonus episode

[00:00:43] I mean, I feel like you could have put a point on the colon in between the two things

[00:00:46] I'm trying to move beyond colons

[00:00:48] I am too because I got horrible diarrhea today

[00:00:52] Trying to move beyond this old colon

[00:00:54] Good night everybody

[00:00:55] Got violent

[00:00:56] Then turn off the podcast

[00:00:57] Diarrhea

[00:00:58] Diarrhea

[00:00:59] Diarrhea

[00:01:00] Diarrhea

[00:01:01] I'm having diarrhea problem

[00:01:04] Hi everybody

[00:01:05] We are hashtag the two friends

[00:01:07] Correct

[00:01:08] You may not know this but this is sort of

[00:01:10] What that means is that we are two friends

[00:01:12] And we are the two friends

[00:01:13] This is the sort of proprietary thing that our podcast has going for it

[00:01:16] That we are the two friends

[00:01:18] There are a lot of podcasts

[00:01:19] Hundreds

[00:01:20] Yeah

[00:01:21] Maybe thousands

[00:01:22] I've heard

[00:01:23] Are they hosted by two friends?

[00:01:24] No, and here's another thing

[00:01:25] I've met a lot of people who are like

[00:01:27] Oh, this is my friend, we're friends

[00:01:29] Have you ever heard of two friends?

[00:01:31] One, two

[00:01:33] Nope

[00:01:34] We're one, two friends

[00:01:36] And a story

[00:01:37] Hashtag it

[00:01:38] Share it

[00:01:39] Put it on a pog

[00:01:40] Slam it

[00:01:41] Share it with your friends

[00:01:42] So hot they're cool

[00:01:43] So cool they're hot

[00:01:44] Was that the pogs?

[00:01:45] That was the pop stars

[00:01:47] Pop-tarts

[00:01:48] Catchphrase

[00:01:49] Oh, yeah, put it on a pop-tart

[00:01:51] Okay, so this is

[00:01:53] Look, if it seems like we're avoiding the subject at hand

[00:01:56] It's because, you know, this is a bittersweet day

[00:01:59] Sad

[00:02:00] It's always kind of sad when we end a miniseries

[00:02:02] Yeah

[00:02:03] And we always do this kind of bonus episode

[00:02:05] I'm not going to be able to live without these guys

[00:02:08] I really am going to miss the Wachowskis

[00:02:10] I love these folks

[00:02:11] Yeah

[00:02:12] They're the best

[00:02:13] Lillian Lana Wachowski are good friends

[00:02:17] Directors of

[00:02:19] Bound

[00:02:20] The Matrix

[00:02:21] The Matrix Reloaded

[00:02:22] God bless you

[00:02:23] Was their fourth feature fell

[00:02:25] No, it wasn't

[00:02:26] The Matrix Revolutions

[00:02:27] Speed Racer

[00:02:29] Cloud Atlas

[00:02:31] Jupiter Ascending

[00:02:33] And the Netflix original series

[00:02:35] Sense8

[00:02:36] Right

[00:02:37] We've talked about all these things

[00:02:38] Because that's what we do on this podcast

[00:02:40] We've watched dozens of hours of content

[00:02:42] And given you dozens of hours of content

[00:02:44] Right, and that was just Sense8

[00:02:46] Woooo

[00:02:47] Dozens of hours of content

[00:02:48] Yeah

[00:02:49] Here's a fun fact for our listeners

[00:02:51] After last week

[00:02:53] When I binged all of Sense8 and One Night

[00:02:55] I then got sick

[00:02:57] And I've been sick up until this very recording

[00:02:59] I heard you saying that

[00:03:00] So is this, you're still sick?

[00:03:01] You're saying?

[00:03:02] I'm getting over it

[00:03:03] This is, you know

[00:03:04] This is my last flight of the

[00:03:06] Phoenix or whatever

[00:03:07] You know

[00:03:08] Of the Ascii or whatever that fucking thing is called

[00:03:10] I'm getting better

[00:03:11] That's what's happening right now

[00:03:12] Is I'm just pooping out the remaining sickness

[00:03:13] I'm doing fine

[00:03:14] But if I sound a little congesty

[00:03:17] You know, George Mucassi

[00:03:20] That's what's going on there

[00:03:22] But that's not what I'm talking about

[00:03:23] What I'm talking about is

[00:03:24] What we do on this podcast

[00:03:26] Is we pick filmmakers

[00:03:28] Who had big success early on in their careers

[00:03:31] And they got a blank check

[00:03:32] To make crazy stuff

[00:03:34] Yeah

[00:03:35] And the Wachowskis were

[00:03:37] Subject for this mini-series

[00:03:38] And now the book is closed

[00:03:39] And the reason we do these bonus episodes

[00:03:41] We just, you know

[00:03:42] We finished the filmography

[00:03:43] And then we're left with all these

[00:03:44] Remaining feelings that we need to put somewhere

[00:03:46] Right, so we pick a sort of

[00:03:48] Yeah, sort of just

[00:03:49] We can return to their aesthetic

[00:03:51] We just pick like a little thing

[00:03:52] We can dip back into

[00:03:53] There's like an adjacent piece of material

[00:03:55] So this is not something they directed

[00:03:56] No, it's not

[00:03:57] Oh, the mistake we made with Shyamalan

[00:03:59] Was that we watched

[00:04:00] The Buried Secret of M. Night Shyamalan

[00:04:02] Which was too weird for us to really spend

[00:04:04] Much time in M. Night Shyamalan

[00:04:06] We had to just talk about that weird thing

[00:04:08] It's one of my favorite episodes

[00:04:09] It's a good episode

[00:04:10] It's a good episode

[00:04:12] Johnny Depp kind of ruined it though

[00:04:13] Good episode though

[00:04:16] I mean Johnny Depp's future

[00:04:17] Terrible actions kind of ruined

[00:04:19] That episode because we're so excited about it

[00:04:20] Because we're so excited about Johnny Depp in that episode

[00:04:22] When you talk about the horrible actions

[00:04:23] You mean Alice through the looking glass, right?

[00:04:25] Can we talk about Alice through the looking glass

[00:04:27] For a second, not Johnny Depp

[00:04:29] Have you seen it?

[00:04:30] Yeah, I reviewed it for the Atlantic

[00:04:31] Oh really?

[00:04:32] Yes, I'm a film critic

[00:04:33] And I reviewed it for the Atlantic

[00:04:34] How was that tomato looking?

[00:04:35] I gave it a rotten key

[00:04:36] You did?

[00:04:37] I did, because I get to pick

[00:04:38] Yeah

[00:04:39] Some people don't want to pick

[00:04:40] But I like to pick

[00:04:41] Okay, tell me about this movie

[00:04:43] Well, it's not good

[00:04:44] Yeah, okay, I'd heard that

[00:04:45] And it's just interesting

[00:04:46] Because it is a Blank Jack movie

[00:04:48] In a weird sort of a way

[00:04:49] I mean, it's just a film where

[00:04:50] A lot of money has been lavished on something

[00:04:52] That I don't know that anyone can

[00:04:54] Really understand why

[00:04:55] Except for money

[00:04:56] You know, except for the original movie

[00:04:57] Made a lot of money

[00:04:58] Yeah, but it's kind of a full me once

[00:05:00] Kind of thing

[00:05:01] 100%

[00:05:02] Made a lot of money, but no one really liked it

[00:05:03] It wasn't very popular

[00:05:04] It came out five or six years ago

[00:05:06] You know, it's not six years ago

[00:05:07] It came out six years ago

[00:05:08] And it came out two months after Avatar

[00:05:10] When people were like

[00:05:11] What if every movie is in 3D?

[00:05:12] We're gonna be in Wonderland

[00:05:13] It's like we'll be there

[00:05:14] And then the movie sucked

[00:05:15] Six years later, here comes a movie

[00:05:17] It's called Alice through Looking Glass

[00:05:19] It has no bearing

[00:05:21] It's not adapted from the book

[00:05:23] The book is in

[00:05:25] That book is in the first movie

[00:05:27] I think, yeah

[00:05:28] And so I didn't really like the movie

[00:05:30] But no one has agreed with me on this

[00:05:32] But I've been trying to talk about it

[00:05:33] And I have a podcast so I can talk about it

[00:05:35] I think that Sasha Baron Cohen

[00:05:37] Is terrific in it

[00:05:38] I've heard one other person say that

[00:05:40] I can remember who it was

[00:05:41] But some critic on Twitter said

[00:05:42] I don't think anyone's calling out

[00:05:43] That Sasha Baron Cohen's really good

[00:05:44] He's so good

[00:05:45] He plays time

[00:05:46] Yeah

[00:05:47] The concept of time

[00:05:48] Yeah, abstract concept

[00:05:49] Basically as this somewhat snooty

[00:05:51] Sort of like unctuous

[00:05:53] Like you know kind of persnickety

[00:05:55] Little dude with a clockwork head

[00:05:57] And he's great

[00:05:59] And I just think every scene with him is great

[00:06:01] And I just think it's a lost opportunity

[00:06:04] That no one's gonna really ever talk about

[00:06:06] That performance or the obvious work

[00:06:07] You put into it

[00:06:08] Well it was directed by James Bowman

[00:06:10] Who did the two-reason mother-in-law

[00:06:12] I like him a lot

[00:06:13] I mean I love his work on Flight of the Concord

[00:06:15] Which is very visually inventive

[00:06:17] He also directed all of the HBO

[00:06:19] Alley G series

[00:06:20] Yeah

[00:06:21] So that's he

[00:06:22] It makes sense that he's got a good

[00:06:24] Performance on him because he's

[00:06:25] He also did

[00:06:26] He did a short film with Dimitri Martin

[00:06:28] I think called 1221

[00:06:30] About like 13 years ago

[00:06:33] That I loved

[00:06:34] I watched over and over again

[00:06:35] When I was at the peak of my Dimitri Martin face

[00:06:37] I like James Bowman a lot

[00:06:38] I like the recent Muppet movies

[00:06:39] It's a bummer for me

[00:06:41] That like that

[00:06:42] He's been forced into this direction

[00:06:44] Yeah cause I think everyone probably told him

[00:06:46] It was like it definitely feels like a waste of time

[00:06:48] And they also probably told him

[00:06:49] Like oh man this is easy

[00:06:50] Everyone's gonna go see

[00:06:51] If they saw the last one

[00:06:52] You'll just make the money just like toe the line

[00:06:54] It's a huge bomb

[00:06:55] I mean I assume it'll probably clean up enough

[00:06:57] Worldwide to sort of forgive

[00:06:59] Whatever they outlaid on it

[00:07:01] But no it's a disaster

[00:07:02] They're not gonna make money

[00:07:03] They might not lose too much

[00:07:04] Sure

[00:07:05] But I do worry about him too

[00:07:06] I agree with you

[00:07:07] I think the film is better looking

[00:07:09] And more visually inventive than Burton's film

[00:07:11] Yeah

[00:07:12] I think he did a good job

[00:07:13] Given the horrible script

[00:07:15] And stupid idea

[00:07:16] But it's not good

[00:07:18] But just wanted to shout out SBC

[00:07:20] I think Sasha Baron Cohen's a great actor

[00:07:22] When he's not doing his own movies

[00:07:24] He's in a terrible career phase right now

[00:07:26] He's not gonna pull out of it

[00:07:28] He's in a Russell Brand tailspin

[00:07:30] I don't think he can pull out of it

[00:07:32] He also just signed out to do a

[00:07:34] Mandrake the Magician film

[00:07:35] So he's not pulling out of it

[00:07:37] Which one of which

[00:07:39] Russell or SBC

[00:07:41] SBC

[00:07:42] Just signed on to do a Mandrake the Magician film

[00:07:44] From the director of Gethard

[00:07:45] You know that movie Gethard with Will Ferrell

[00:07:47] How dare you

[00:07:48] It's Get Hard

[00:07:49] Kevin Hart

[00:07:50] Is that Eton Cohen

[00:07:51] Yes

[00:07:52] Is directing Mandrake the Magician

[00:07:54] James Bowman is supposed to do

[00:07:56] MIB 23 Next

[00:07:58] Which is the Men in Black

[00:08:00] John Street Crossover

[00:08:02] I think James Bowman's got a great sense of comedy

[00:08:04] I think he's one of the most

[00:08:06] Visually inventive comedy directors

[00:08:08] He is a, at least was

[00:08:10] A visually inventive comedy director

[00:08:12] Well he knows how to give sort of

[00:08:14] Lightness of touch with performances

[00:08:15] And a good sort of pace and energy

[00:08:17] But also get these kind of cool aesthetics into his stuff

[00:08:19] It's annoying to me that all he's doing

[00:08:21] Is brand management

[00:08:22] Like as someone who loves them up

[00:08:24] His first four movies are gonna be

[00:08:26] Big brands

[00:08:27] Just taking over franchises that other people have established

[00:08:29] And it's like why can't he invent

[00:08:30] Yeah make a weird little thing dude

[00:08:31] Maybe he does, I don't know

[00:08:33] I don't know

[00:08:34] But he does though because honestly

[00:08:36] Directing an HBO Aliens show

[00:08:37] And directing Flight of the Concords

[00:08:39] Is brand management in its own much smaller scale

[00:08:41] Kind of way, you know there's a two established acts

[00:08:43] That he is giving a visual sense to

[00:08:45] So maybe that's what it is

[00:08:47] Those are some thoughts

[00:08:48] Shasta Baron Cohen's really good in Hugo

[00:08:50] And Sweeney Todd and Alice through Looking Glass

[00:08:52] He's good in so many movies that he didn't

[00:08:54] Like write

[00:08:55] Agreed I have two final questions

[00:08:57] But Alice through the Looking Glass

[00:08:58] Before we talk about the movie

[00:08:59] We're talking about today the Animatrix

[00:09:00] Okay

[00:09:01] Oh he's good in Les Mis

[00:09:02] He's okay

[00:09:03] Yeah yeah

[00:09:04] Okay two important questions

[00:09:05] No I answer any question

[00:09:06] How about my baby Colleen Atwood

[00:09:08] I mean you know good

[00:09:10] A lot of costumes

[00:09:11] Yeah it's very

[00:09:12] I liked the time costume

[00:09:14] I like the costumes

[00:09:15] Alice is wearing this Chinese like

[00:09:17] Trouser suit

[00:09:19] Yeah I saw that

[00:09:20] It looks like a rainbow vomit

[00:09:21] It's not great

[00:09:22] But I mean the idea is it's supposed to be

[00:09:24] Okay

[00:09:25] But like she's supposed to look

[00:09:26] Stick out like a sore thumb

[00:09:27] Yeah

[00:09:28] But like they have her in at the whole movie

[00:09:30] And at a certain point

[00:09:31] Can't she fucking take that off

[00:09:32] And just put anything else on

[00:09:33] Like a tank top or something

[00:09:35] Love you Colleen

[00:09:37] Second question

[00:09:39] Worth buying the Disney Infinity figures

[00:09:42] I cannot imagine

[00:09:44] How I could answer that question

[00:09:45] Isn't Disney Infinity dead?

[00:09:46] Yeah so we're looking

[00:09:47] Those are the penultimate releases

[00:09:49] What's the final one after?

[00:09:51] Finding Dory

[00:09:52] Hard buy for me

[00:09:53] It's grim

[00:09:54] Getting those

[00:09:55] But then it's like

[00:09:56] I look at Alice

[00:09:57] I would get time

[00:09:58] See because I've been a complete

[00:09:59] Just up until now

[00:10:00] But now that I know that things dead

[00:10:01] It's dead man walking

[00:10:02] These are just like

[00:10:03] They literally had made them

[00:10:04] Before they canceled

[00:10:05] Where they're like fuck let's ship them out

[00:10:07] Okay so today we're going to talk about

[00:10:09] The Animatrix

[00:10:10] RIP

[00:10:11] Disney Infinity

[00:10:12] Did you guys know that 13 years ago

[00:10:14] There was a series of anime films

[00:10:16] Collected around the matrix universe

[00:10:19] That was released on DVD

[00:10:21] One of them was released theatrically

[00:10:23] Yeah before

[00:10:24] Not before the matrix reloaded

[00:10:26] Yes before

[00:10:27] I thought it was before something else

[00:10:28] Sorry I thought it was before the release of

[00:10:30] The film it played in front of was

[00:10:32] Dreamcatcher

[00:10:34] Right that's it

[00:10:35] That's why I saw Dreamcatcher

[00:10:36] Yes yeah

[00:10:37] Same here

[00:10:38] Yeah oof

[00:10:39] Great movie

[00:10:40] Poop monsters

[00:10:41] We've talked about it Ben

[00:10:42] Two poop monsters

[00:10:43] We've talked about it on this podcast before

[00:10:44] Yeah oh hey

[00:10:45] Wait a second

[00:10:46] Yeah what's up

[00:10:47] Is that

[00:10:48] Is that

[00:10:49] Ben Hosley

[00:10:50] Yeah hey

[00:10:51] I'm here guys

[00:10:52] Oh we've got his name

[00:10:53] Settled

[00:10:54] We nailed it

[00:10:55] Can you pull up

[00:10:56] Just so we can properly credit the person who came up with this

[00:10:58] Let me find it

[00:10:59] Look I'll stall

[00:11:01] I'll stall while you're doing that

[00:11:02] Here's some other names that Ben has

[00:11:04] Producer Ben

[00:11:06] Producer Ben

[00:11:07] Right

[00:11:08] Ben Deucer

[00:11:09] The Haas

[00:11:10] Poet Laureate

[00:11:12] Birthday Benny

[00:11:13] Mr. Positive

[00:11:15] The Fuckmaster

[00:11:17] He is not

[00:11:19] Professor Crispy

[00:11:21] No thank you

[00:11:23] Don't you dare

[00:11:25] Is his audio crisp

[00:11:27] Yes of course

[00:11:28] He's good at his job

[00:11:30] Does that make him a professor

[00:11:32] No

[00:11:33] That's not an honorary title

[00:11:34] You need a degree

[00:11:35] Yeah I don't have patches on my elbows

[00:11:37] Where's the patches on his elbows

[00:11:39] He's also

[00:11:41] Accumulated certain titles

[00:11:43] After we graduate from a miniseries right

[00:11:46] Yes

[00:11:47] Producer Ben Kanobe was there

[00:11:49] Then as we got through the supplemental Star Wars things

[00:11:52] We handed him Kylo Ben

[00:11:54] Right

[00:11:55] Okay then we moved on to

[00:11:57] M. Night Shyamalan and he became

[00:11:59] Ben Night Shyamalan

[00:12:00] We've been struggling to come up with a nickname

[00:12:03] To fit the Wachowskis

[00:12:05] That's right we thought about the Ben Ovingian or the Mero Vingiben

[00:12:08] It was like it wasn't

[00:12:09] Both totally good

[00:12:10] Like in the stream of nicknames it wasn't really flowing

[00:12:12] Yeah Ben you didn't like him

[00:12:14] Yeah I just didn't see him roll off the tongue

[00:12:16] I would struggle to say it

[00:12:17] So Ben do you know what your name is?

[00:12:18] Did you see us talking on Twitter?

[00:12:20] I think I know what this is

[00:12:22] Someone nailed it

[00:12:23] Mark Slutsky who's at Totally Slutsky on Twitter

[00:12:25] The loyal fan of the show

[00:12:27] The great Mark Slutsky

[00:12:28] He tweeted it at us and said

[00:12:30] What your name should obviously be

[00:12:32] Do you want to do it?

[00:12:33] Yeah okay

[00:12:34] Ben's 8

[00:12:39] Ben's 8

[00:12:40] Oh yeah I like that

[00:12:42] It was right in front of us the whole time

[00:12:43] That's so obvious

[00:12:44] How did we not catch that low

[00:12:46] Anyway congrats Ben's 8

[00:12:47] It's perfect

[00:12:48] How you doing Ben

[00:12:49] I'm great

[00:12:50] I really I never saw these before

[00:12:52] I thought these were visually all great

[00:12:55] Some were kind of interesting

[00:12:57] These seem like Ben right up Ben's alley

[00:12:59] Yes and speaking of Ben's alley

[00:13:01] Before we get to talk about the Animatrix at Ham

[00:13:03] Let's cue that up at the end of the episode

[00:13:05] You want to?

[00:13:06] There's a special Ben surprise at the end of the episode

[00:13:08] If you're a hazehead

[00:13:10] Oh god

[00:13:11] You're gonna flip out hazehog

[00:13:13] David Dogg's Griff head

[00:13:15] That's what it is

[00:13:16] Oh yeah shout out to all our blankies

[00:13:17] Shout out to the blankies

[00:13:18] Of course

[00:13:19] Yeah this is a real bonus episode

[00:13:21] Feel

[00:13:22] Talk to my analyst through the looking glass for 10 minutes

[00:13:25] Yeah no if you like

[00:13:27] If you're a hazehog wait till the end of the episode

[00:13:29] There's a hazehog surprise

[00:13:30] Waiting for you at the end

[00:13:33] Yeah I mean hazehogs are gonna be rewarded

[00:13:35] More than they ever have

[00:13:37] That's correct

[00:13:38] If you've been tolerating old Griffey and Davey

[00:13:42] Up until now just for the Ben

[00:13:44] The slot machine is about to pay out

[00:13:47] That's correct

[00:13:48] Okay the Animatrix

[00:13:49] The Animatrix

[00:13:50] Was released in 2003 on DVD

[00:13:52] The first short was released theatrically

[00:13:54] Yes I believe you could watch them online

[00:13:56] In some form or another

[00:13:58] Maybe not maybe not

[00:13:59] It was 2003 so the idea of watching a video online

[00:14:02] Was still pretty adventurous

[00:14:05] I feel like maybe one or two of them were on the official

[00:14:07] Matrix site

[00:14:08] Put it this way the Animatrix

[00:14:10] At the Into the Matrix site

[00:14:12] Has a flash intro

[00:14:14] It's still up there here

[00:14:16] Boy that's quite a sight

[00:14:18] Is one of the, is the boy

[00:14:20] Can you watch The Boy maybe

[00:14:22] You could watch four of them free

[00:14:24] You could watch the second renaissance

[00:14:26] Parts one and two program and detective story for free

[00:14:29] Oh interesting

[00:14:30] Obviously you had to go to theatres to see

[00:14:32] Final Flight of the Osiris

[00:14:34] And then there was also Kids Story

[00:14:36] World Record

[00:14:38] Beyond and matriculated

[00:14:40] Nine films

[00:14:42] Eight really cause one of them is a two parter

[00:14:44] Yeah I mean this is a weird thing that this thing does

[00:14:47] It's like they settle into like

[00:14:49] When you watch the DVD or the

[00:14:51] Blue Ray as I did

[00:14:53] How do you look on Blue Ray?

[00:14:55] Well you know

[00:14:57] I mean some of these especially Final Flight of the Osiris

[00:14:59] Very cutting edge visuals

[00:15:01] At the time

[00:15:03] Yes now I own a Playstation 4

[00:15:05] Which can literally shit that stuff out in its sleep

[00:15:08] And here's the thing I don't want to

[00:15:10] I might not know what I'm talking about right

[00:15:13] But I was watching this Blue Ray and I know this

[00:15:16] Three Matrix movies

[00:15:18] Full Blue Ray Master

[00:15:20] They put the work in

[00:15:22] I know in this box set I got

[00:15:24] Which is the ultimate Matrix box set

[00:15:26] Which is like $30 on Amazon now

[00:15:28] Shoot cause it's like seven discs or whatever

[00:15:30] There were these four discs that originally came in the DVD set

[00:15:33] That are all the annex supplemental material

[00:15:35] From the world of the Matrix

[00:15:37] The Zion Chronicles

[00:15:39] The making of all that sort of shit

[00:15:41] And all of that stuff is on DVD

[00:15:43] Right?

[00:15:45] But it just comes out

[00:16:06] I couldn't tell.

[00:16:08] We'll never know.

[00:16:08] It might be upscale, it might be upscale.

[00:16:09] Guys, it's a mystery and we'll never know.

[00:16:11] Well, never know, but if you do know,

[00:16:13] write into us Blank Check Pod at Gmail.

[00:16:15] Yeah, at Blank Check Pod on Twitter.

[00:16:17] Yeah.

[00:16:18] So, you know, a couple of these you could see.

[00:16:22] You pay, slap down your fucking eight bucks.

[00:16:25] Was it, I thought it was just final flight

[00:16:26] of these, was there not another one?

[00:16:27] I'm saying the other ones online.

[00:16:29] Oh sure, you could see them online.

[00:16:30] There were avenues for you to see them,

[00:16:31] but the big thing they wanted was,

[00:16:33] and this was like we talked about this in the past,

[00:16:35] Matrix, the first Matrix DVD had a limited amount

[00:16:38] of special features.

[00:16:39] They did this game changing thing that was like,

[00:16:41] let's release a whole second disc that's a separate item.

[00:16:44] Yeah, called the Matrix Revisited.

[00:16:46] Right.

[00:16:47] That had all these special features on it.

[00:16:48] Right.

[00:16:49] And like it was like charging not just to upgrade,

[00:16:51] but to buy a whole different fucking

[00:16:52] just special features thing and it sold really well.

[00:16:55] So they were like, we want people buying this.

[00:16:57] And they were also really, and as we've talked about

[00:16:59] in our Matrix episodes, and guys I missed the Matrix

[00:17:01] and it was fun to get back to the world of the Matrix.

[00:17:04] Good old Wachaskis was just that they were doing

[00:17:07] this whole multimedia experience.

[00:17:09] Transmedia, I believe is the term.

[00:17:11] Where it's sort of yeah,

[00:17:12] one property across different mediums.

[00:17:14] There were comic books, there was Animatrix,

[00:17:17] there was video games.

[00:17:18] And it was all part of this big,

[00:17:20] fungible world.

[00:17:22] Blah, blah, blah.

[00:17:23] Oh, which I should give this as advanced warning.

[00:17:25] I said I was gonna watch the 40 minutes

[00:17:26] of live action footage shot into the Matrix.

[00:17:28] Oh, I am shocked to hear that you didn't do that.

[00:17:30] The only reason I didn't is because I was sick

[00:17:32] and I didn't want to fucking deal with that

[00:17:33] when I was sick.

[00:17:33] There's no reason to watch that.

[00:17:35] If I was feeling well, I would have watched that.

[00:17:37] I will have tolerated it.

[00:17:38] But I was like in bed, I was like.

[00:17:40] Guys, it doesn't matter.

[00:17:41] Can I fucking watch Wreck-It Ralph

[00:17:42] or I can watch video game content?

[00:17:43] Can you watch Wreck-It Ralph?

[00:17:44] Yeah, it's a good movie.

[00:17:46] Fantastic.

[00:17:47] That movie is very well written.

[00:17:49] Very well written and I think beautifully animated.

[00:17:51] I think so too.

[00:17:52] When I think films like Zootopia

[00:17:53] and Frozen are very flat,

[00:17:55] I don't like the animation very much.

[00:17:57] But like I think Wreck-It Ralph takes advantage

[00:17:59] of the 3D style which I'm not a big fan of

[00:18:02] in general, it uses its suit advantage.

[00:18:05] To its advantage.

[00:18:06] How would you rank the modern CGI Disney animated films?

[00:18:09] Okay so wait, it's Wreck-It Ralph,

[00:18:11] Tangled, Frozen, Bault.

[00:18:13] Yeah.

[00:18:14] Big Hero 6.

[00:18:15] Oh well yeah that was cute.

[00:18:17] And Zootopes?

[00:18:17] Zootopia, is that all of them?

[00:18:19] I think that's the full rate, yeah.

[00:18:24] How would you rank them?

[00:18:25] I'd go number one, Tangled.

[00:18:28] Number two, Wreck-It Ralph.

[00:18:31] Number three, Frozen.

[00:18:35] Number four, I would go Zootopes.

[00:18:41] Number five, Big Hero 6.

[00:18:43] And six is Poopoo, Poopoo, Bolt.

[00:18:48] Oh I guess Meet the Robinson's is maybe?

[00:18:50] No that's old.

[00:18:51] Yeah, yeah no, Meet the Robinson's does count.

[00:18:54] That was threshold, that was right when Lassiter took over.

[00:18:56] I believe Meet the Robinson's is the first post

[00:19:00] when they reopened the Disney animation.

[00:19:02] I haven't seen that film.

[00:19:04] It's fine.

[00:19:05] The Princess and the Frog obviously is also in that era

[00:19:07] but it is too deep as is Winnie the Pooh.

[00:19:11] Oh which is a masterpiece.

[00:19:12] But it's also too deep.

[00:19:13] Have you seen that movie?

[00:19:14] Fucking rules.

[00:19:16] You wanna know the best thing about that movie?

[00:19:18] The movie's 68 minutes long.

[00:19:20] Is that like the cutest runtime?

[00:19:22] Isn't that an adorable runtime?

[00:19:23] It's about as dumb as Dumbo is, or maybe.

[00:19:24] That's cute.

[00:19:25] Anyway yeah I would say like Wreck-It Ralph

[00:19:28] and then like just take a deep breath,

[00:19:30] chill out for a second, tangle.

[00:19:32] Take a deep breath, chill out for another second, frozen.

[00:19:35] Big Hero 6.

[00:19:36] Are you doing okay breathing really heavily?

[00:19:38] No actually you know Zootopia Frozen, Big Hero 6

[00:19:43] and then Balton whatever.

[00:19:44] And I like them all.

[00:19:45] I just, the sort of Zootopia Frozen, Big Hero 6

[00:19:49] that I just think are like nice, like decent movies.

[00:19:53] If I was a kid I'd probably like them a lot.

[00:19:55] They don't stick out to me like visually.

[00:19:58] They don't stick out to me like in amazing ways.

[00:20:00] I just like them, I think they're good.

[00:20:01] Zootopia Frozen are big cut above Big Hero 6 for me

[00:20:04] but Tangle and Wreck-It Ralph are definitely the two best.

[00:20:07] Big Hero 6 has the big Baymax guy.

[00:20:11] Yeah that guy's great.

[00:20:12] He's real cute.

[00:20:12] Yeah you know who's not great?

[00:20:14] Like the other five.

[00:20:16] Yeah.

[00:20:16] It's like Big Hero 1 for me.

[00:20:18] Yeah I don't remember Big Hero 6 that well.

[00:20:20] That's probably fair that it, the tangled in Zootopia.

[00:20:23] I mean frozen in Tangle.

[00:20:25] Yeah.

[00:20:26] Tangle's really pretty.

[00:20:26] I like that movie.

[00:20:28] I just think Wreck-It Ralph.

[00:20:29] I think the songs in Tangle are great.

[00:20:30] Wreck-It Ralph is great.

[00:20:31] Has what I really want.

[00:20:32] And Zootopia has this a little bit too

[00:20:34] but Wreck-It Ralph really has it

[00:20:35] which is like world building,

[00:20:36] like amazing world building.

[00:20:38] But I also just love the herky jerky style,

[00:20:40] like the way they move.

[00:20:42] That's such an incredible.

[00:20:43] The way it blends, yeah three-knee animation with

[00:20:46] you know video game pixel animation, very cool.

[00:20:48] I also think that story,

[00:20:49] they keep on threading that needle perfectly.

[00:20:51] They're all just points where you're like.

[00:20:52] Yeah this story that's like you can be yourself

[00:20:54] and like it's good to be yourself.

[00:20:56] Right but there's that thing where it's like

[00:20:57] okay so she's like essentially disabled.

[00:20:59] It's like the analogy they're creating with this

[00:21:00] glitch thing and they can't make the argument

[00:21:02] that like she shouldn't get better

[00:21:04] but they can't make the argument

[00:21:05] that there's anything wrong with her.

[00:21:06] So there's like the point where you're like

[00:21:08] how are they fucking gonna pull this off?

[00:21:09] Because either way, they thread the needle.

[00:21:11] But so I do think,

[00:21:12] and I do think the Pixar movies when they're good

[00:21:15] like Inside Out are just a very obvious still cut up up.

[00:21:20] I agree but I think.

[00:21:21] They haven't been making as many Inside Outs recently.

[00:21:24] Right yeah that's the problem.

[00:21:25] Right, Inside Out is the only one that's a cut

[00:21:27] above the recent Disney movies since 2010.

[00:21:29] Unfortunately Disney's been on a good one.

[00:21:32] Okay, Animatrix.

[00:21:34] How you doing there Ben?

[00:21:36] I'm good, I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

[00:21:38] Woo! That's a bonus episode baby!

[00:21:40] I need a cigarette.

[00:21:41] Loosen that tie!

[00:21:42] This is silly.

[00:21:44] Bonus!

[00:21:45] Maybe you should cut all of that.

[00:21:46] All right so final.

[00:21:47] Keep it in.

[00:21:48] So let's talk about.

[00:21:49] Ben that last section copy paste and put it in twice.

[00:21:52] All right so here's what we're gonna do.

[00:21:55] I'll just lay out how this all.

[00:21:56] So the way it came out was Final Fight of the Osiris

[00:21:59] which is a real technical prequel to The Matrix Reloaded

[00:22:02] like it sets up one little story element for it.

[00:22:04] Which is addressing the film.

[00:22:06] Yeah.

[00:22:06] Which is yeah, I mentioned in the film.

[00:22:08] That aired in theaters in front of Dreamcatcher

[00:22:12] and you could go see it

[00:22:13] and it was like a genuine like little preview

[00:22:16] for The Matrix.

[00:22:18] The other films came out after The Matrix.

[00:22:22] At least the DVD did.

[00:22:24] After The Matrix Reloaded.

[00:22:25] When did the DVD come out?

[00:22:26] The DVD came out my friend on June 3rd, 2003.

[00:22:30] So a couple weeks after.

[00:22:31] I think yeah.

[00:22:33] Cause I want to say.

[00:22:34] Whereas Dreamcatcher came out March, 2003.

[00:22:36] Right, right.

[00:22:38] But they definitely want people to buy this DVD.

[00:22:40] Yeah but the other movies are not directly related

[00:22:43] to the plot of The Matrix Reloaded

[00:22:45] and The Matrix Evolutions.

[00:22:46] They're more just informing them.

[00:22:48] Well the one, the boy's story what's it called?

[00:22:51] Oh it is directly related I guess.

[00:22:53] Yeah I think those two are directly related.

[00:22:55] I think the other two, the history, revolution.

[00:23:00] Well we're gonna get to them.

[00:23:01] We'll get to them.

[00:23:02] This is what I wanted to say though.

[00:23:03] The format of this thing is interesting.

[00:23:06] Cause Ben and I were talking before you got here

[00:23:07] of like this was kind of the first thing to do this

[00:23:10] like here's an adjacent movie right?

[00:23:13] And some other studios tried to do this afterwards

[00:23:15] especially Warner Brothers tried to do this a bunch.

[00:23:18] They did a thing, I'm gonna get the title wrong

[00:23:21] but it was before the dark night called

[00:23:25] like Batman Arkham Knights.

[00:23:27] And it was like a film that was sort of like this

[00:23:30] where it was like anime story set in the Batman universe.

[00:23:33] What does this have to do with anything though?

[00:23:34] That's after.

[00:23:35] What are you talking about?

[00:23:36] What's going on?

[00:23:37] This is similar to The Animatrix.

[00:23:38] I'm gonna make a comparison that makes sense

[00:23:40] when I fucking throw it out to you.

[00:23:41] I haven't seen this thing though.

[00:23:42] I don't know what you're talking about.

[00:23:43] It's okay but it's like here are stories

[00:23:44] that take place in the Nolan Batman universe

[00:23:46] and there's stories that people are telling

[00:23:48] about like they're into counters with Batman.

[00:23:50] They're all Batman stories from like civilian eyes right?

[00:23:53] The thing that's interesting in that one is

[00:23:55] it's also like a bunch of short stories

[00:23:57] given to different animators with different aesthetics,

[00:24:00] different storytelling styles

[00:24:02] but there's this sort of superstructure.

[00:24:05] That's a bunch of people being like yeah I met Batman once

[00:24:07] and then it cuts into that story.

[00:24:09] This film as it's presented is just like

[00:24:12] a bunch of short films with their own credits

[00:24:15] and their own title sequences.

[00:24:17] And even the two parter is like a two parter

[00:24:19] just because they decided here's a series of things

[00:24:22] that are 13 minutes long.

[00:24:23] They could have just had the two parter be

[00:24:25] here's one that's 26.

[00:24:26] Yeah whatever.

[00:24:27] But I just think it's kind of an interesting format.

[00:24:28] I like this format much better.

[00:24:30] I don't like the format you're talking about

[00:24:32] where it's like masquerading as a prequel

[00:24:34] but it's actually just like 100% a cash in effort.

[00:24:38] It's kind of like well it's kind of like

[00:24:40] how when Marvel comics will do like Civil War,

[00:24:43] the big crossover event and then there'll be

[00:24:45] you should buy X-Men Civil War.

[00:24:47] I hate that.

[00:24:48] Like this is cool and you buy it

[00:24:49] and it's like the X-Men have a meeting.

[00:24:51] They fight a little bit and then they decide

[00:24:53] not to be in the Civil War.

[00:24:54] Or like it's like a completely self contained useless art.

[00:24:57] That is exactly why I stopped reading

[00:24:59] Singular Superhero comics.

[00:25:00] Because it drove me crazy.

[00:25:02] It's a whole scheme.

[00:25:03] Like it's a whole anyway.

[00:25:05] And it was an event that will change

[00:25:06] the Marvel universe forever.

[00:25:08] It's all the fucking next writer takes over

[00:25:10] and he goes I've wanted to write Spider-Man

[00:25:11] since I was 10.

[00:25:12] I want Spider-Man the one I like.

[00:25:14] Right, right.

[00:25:16] House of M.

[00:25:17] Remember when House of M was gonna change everything?

[00:25:19] House of M the actual House of M story?

[00:25:22] Pretty cool.

[00:25:23] And actually all of the other shit?

[00:25:24] Oh my God.

[00:25:25] No see I think some of the supplemental House of M titles

[00:25:27] were kind of good.

[00:25:28] Okay fine.

[00:25:28] Better than the other.

[00:25:29] Civil War the supplemental titles were terrible.

[00:25:31] Terrible.

[00:25:32] Bull of shit.

[00:25:33] That was also because Marvel was like spinning its wheels

[00:25:35] waiting for Civil War to be done.

[00:25:36] Like remember it got really late.

[00:25:38] Oh yeah, classic Mark Miller.

[00:25:39] Yeah.

[00:25:40] Ba ba ba bonus.

[00:25:42] Anyway so what I like in these animatrixes

[00:25:45] the ones that are like direct prequels

[00:25:46] honestly they're a little lame.

[00:25:48] The ones that are more just like obviously the writers

[00:25:52] and directors were told like you know what the world

[00:25:54] of the matrix is like just play around in it.

[00:25:55] Like do a story that's about these themes.

[00:25:59] Those are kind of cool.

[00:26:00] Well here are the how I'd separate them okay?

[00:26:04] So you go like the kid's story and the final flight.

[00:26:08] And detective story.

[00:26:10] A detective story I'd say a little less so.

[00:26:12] I think that is easily the worst one.

[00:26:14] Oh no no no I'm not dividing good and bad.

[00:26:16] I'm saying the kid's story and the final flight

[00:26:20] are like the ones that are like these overlap

[00:26:23] with the events of the film right?

[00:26:25] Those two function in that way.

[00:26:27] Then you have the two like history ones.

[00:26:29] Those are the best.

[00:26:30] I kind of agree there's one I like more maybe.

[00:26:33] I think it's the best one.

[00:26:34] But the history ones are very good.

[00:26:35] Yes excellent.

[00:26:37] Those two are like here's prequel

[00:26:38] sort of world building stuff.

[00:26:41] And then you have like the other ones

[00:26:43] which are kind of like the detective story

[00:26:45] which I don't really like is sort of just like.

[00:26:48] It's a prequel to the matrix a little bit but not really.

[00:26:51] It's just an excuse to have Trinity in one of them.

[00:26:53] And then matriculated I think gets at the best interpretation

[00:26:56] of how to do this.

[00:26:58] But that one detective story and like couple of the other ones

[00:27:00] sort of fall into this category of like

[00:27:01] here's just a story that takes place in the matrix.

[00:27:04] Here's just something happening in this world.

[00:27:06] No but the difference to me is the detective story

[00:27:08] is a prequel to the film, The Matrix.

[00:27:10] The first one.

[00:27:11] Whereas the world record and beyond stories are more.

[00:27:15] Like Twilight Zone entries.

[00:27:16] I like them entries about how the matrix might work.

[00:27:20] And then matriculated is like.

[00:27:22] About answering questions you might have asked.

[00:27:23] Matriculated is like a whole different

[00:27:25] philosophical exploration of.

[00:27:26] It's a cool idea.

[00:27:27] I love it.

[00:27:28] The problem with matriculated is maybe

[00:27:29] is that it's too short.

[00:27:30] Like it's almost like too ambitious.

[00:27:32] I definitely felt like I wanted to just see

[00:27:34] a feature like matriculated.

[00:27:34] Yeah, it's a good idea.

[00:27:35] Yeah, it also looks incredible.

[00:27:37] Let's go through them.

[00:27:39] I just started coughing.

[00:27:40] I'm getting you sick.

[00:27:41] Final fight we're gonna do it in order.

[00:27:43] Yep.

[00:27:44] Final flight of the Osiris is the first

[00:27:46] if you just watch them all in order.

[00:27:48] We're getting focused now.

[00:27:49] This film, they're all like what nine minutes long?

[00:27:52] I don't know, at 13 you said?

[00:27:54] I think 13, I don't know.

[00:27:55] The whole thing runs about an hour 40 minutes

[00:27:57] if you watch all of them.

[00:27:58] On the nugget hour 40 with a lot of credit.

[00:28:00] But yeah.

[00:28:01] A lot of credit.

[00:28:02] It's just eight, nine movies.

[00:28:03] So the first one.

[00:28:04] Final flight of the Osiris was written by the Wachowskis.

[00:28:07] It was directed by Andy Jones

[00:28:09] who is a visual effects supervisor.

[00:28:11] He's been nominated for visual effects work

[00:28:13] over the years for iRobot.

[00:28:15] And also for Avatar.

[00:28:21] He won for that one.

[00:28:22] Oh Avatar.

[00:28:25] It is from the period of time

[00:28:28] where everyone thought the next big trend

[00:28:29] was gonna be making fully animated films

[00:28:33] that were photo realistic with humans.

[00:28:35] It was sort of final fantasy

[00:28:36] the spirits within had come out and bombed hard.

[00:28:39] But people were sort of,

[00:28:40] and this was produced with that technology

[00:28:43] with the square films technology.

[00:28:44] But people were still like, not a good movie

[00:28:47] but whoa, this is the future, right?

[00:28:49] These crazy fully realized like computer people.

[00:28:52] Right.

[00:28:53] And then that was even what Zamekis was kind of aiming for

[00:28:55] in his first couple of motion capture movies was

[00:28:57] I still want to now let's see

[00:28:58] if I can make the performance better

[00:28:59] by getting off actors.

[00:29:00] Well yeah, what he incorporates is motion capture

[00:29:02] which obviously is now where things are trending.

[00:29:03] But you look at Beowulf

[00:29:05] and it still had that same sort of visual obsession of

[00:29:07] can we make this look exactly like Angelina Jolie?

[00:29:10] It's fascinating to me that that's sort of

[00:29:12] we've completely given up on that.

[00:29:13] It's unconquerable.

[00:29:14] People don't like it.

[00:29:15] No, people don't like it.

[00:29:16] Maybe it can be conquered one day I have no idea

[00:29:18] but it's certainly people don't like it.

[00:29:20] What I just find fascinating is

[00:29:21] the only time you see people trying to make the thing

[00:29:23] look completely photo realistic

[00:29:24] is when it's computer animated characters

[00:29:26] in a live action film.

[00:29:28] Yeah.

[00:29:29] When it's like Avatar

[00:29:30] or like fucking Warcraft or whatever

[00:29:31] and it's like make this otherworldly thing

[00:29:33] look like a real person.

[00:29:34] Well no, of course you can make monsters

[00:29:35] or animals look amazing.

[00:29:37] People buy that.

[00:29:38] Make that look photo real.

[00:29:39] But I'm saying in terms of like animated films

[00:29:40] I feel like computer animated films

[00:29:42] have gotten more cartooning in the last 10 years

[00:29:44] and more stylized.

[00:29:46] I mean even the Disney films

[00:29:47] we're looking at are very classical.

[00:29:48] No it's true.

[00:29:49] They're not sort of obeying physics

[00:29:51] and they're using more squash and stretch

[00:29:53] than Pixar used to use, you know?

[00:29:55] That's the zone we're like getting into.

[00:29:58] Final Flight of Osiris is fascinating.

[00:29:59] It's aiming for photo realism

[00:30:01] and it obviously looks like a PlayStation cutscene now.

[00:30:03] Yeah and it's fascinating just in that sense

[00:30:06] as like a time capsule of like,

[00:30:07] oh right this is where our head was at

[00:30:08] because we thought maybe we wanted to do this

[00:30:10] and now everyone decided not to follow through on that anymore.

[00:30:13] You know what, that's the only way

[00:30:15] in which it's fascinating.

[00:30:16] I agree.

[00:30:17] Yeah.

[00:30:18] It's pretty dull.

[00:30:18] It's a kung fu, not kung fu sorry,

[00:30:20] it's like a samurai sword battle

[00:30:22] between two guys and a guy and a girl

[00:30:26] in a program, you know, in like a training program.

[00:30:29] They're on this ship.

[00:30:30] Now important detail, they're blindfolded.

[00:30:32] Yes but...

[00:30:33] They are blindfolded.

[00:30:34] Let's just say I'm not the only peeper peeper.

[00:30:36] Oh fuck I forgot that nickname too.

[00:30:38] He's the peeper.

[00:30:39] Ben's the peeper and these folks are peeping a plenty.

[00:30:42] Yes they are.

[00:30:44] The man in the film, I was 100% sure

[00:30:48] was voiced by Michael Jai White

[00:30:51] because he looks exactly like Michael Jai White.

[00:30:53] But doesn't he look,

[00:30:54] doesn't the model look like Michael Jai White?

[00:30:56] I guess so.

[00:30:58] It just looked,

[00:30:59] and these don't think,

[00:30:59] these things don't look like anything to me

[00:31:01] because they look so bland.

[00:31:02] Maybe Michael Jai White is just like

[00:31:04] a very conventionally handsome person

[00:31:05] but I was just convinced it was him.

[00:31:07] The other one is played by Pamela Adlon.

[00:31:09] Which is crazy.

[00:31:09] Weird, right?

[00:31:10] Especially since it's an Asian woman.

[00:31:12] Yeah.

[00:31:13] But Pamela Adlon is primarily a voice actress.

[00:31:16] You know they end the same for Kevin Michael Richardson

[00:31:18] who's like these are two of the great voice actors.

[00:31:21] These are primarily cast with voice actors, these films.

[00:31:24] I mean and you see the same one

[00:31:25] like Tom Kenny is in this,

[00:31:26] Jill Talley is in this.

[00:31:27] And it's the same couple of actors

[00:31:29] in most of the films.

[00:31:30] Yeah.

[00:31:32] Pamela Adlon, you know her greatest role is, right?

[00:31:34] Bobby from King of the Island.

[00:31:35] Exactly.

[00:31:36] So great.

[00:31:37] Kevin Michael Richardson, who is,

[00:31:39] he's a husky black dude.

[00:31:41] He's not this like handsome tall like,

[00:31:43] you know sort of clad conventional Michael Jai White type.

[00:31:46] No, he's like a big,

[00:31:47] he looks like a black Pavarotti or something.

[00:31:49] Yeah.

[00:31:50] He was in, do you remember the show

[00:31:51] The Knights of Prosperity with Donald Luke?

[00:31:55] Yeah.

[00:31:56] About them trying to rob Mick Jagger's house.

[00:31:58] Yeah.

[00:31:59] Which was like one of the weirdest

[00:31:59] fucking shows that ever existed.

[00:32:00] You remember what the original title of that show was?

[00:32:02] Let's Rob Mick Jagger.

[00:32:03] Such a weird show.

[00:32:05] He was very funny on it.

[00:32:06] It's one of the rare times he was on camera.

[00:32:08] Very funny man.

[00:32:09] You know, I always-

[00:32:10] But really a voice actor.

[00:32:11] I always like voice actors in live action.

[00:32:13] When I see voice actors in live action,

[00:32:15] I usually think they're-

[00:32:16] Sure, Phil Lamar.

[00:32:17] Anytime Phil Lamar pops in.

[00:32:17] The great Phil Lamar.

[00:32:18] Phil Lamar was just on Veeb.

[00:32:19] Yeah.

[00:32:20] I have Phil Lamar.

[00:32:21] But even like Tom Kenning, Jill Talley

[00:32:22] on Mr. Show were so fucking good.

[00:32:24] That's Mr. Show.

[00:32:25] Yeah.

[00:32:26] That's Mr. Show.

[00:32:26] That's what I'm gonna talk about on Mr. Show.

[00:32:27] I mean they're not voice actors yet

[00:32:29] when they're on Miss, you know,

[00:32:30] then they find that route,

[00:32:31] you know into the industry.

[00:32:33] But anyway, so they have a sexy samurai fight

[00:32:37] where they're cutting off each other's clothes.

[00:32:38] Ooh, bold.

[00:32:39] Yeah, I mean it's like exactly like

[00:32:41] the Kung Fu sequence from the first Matrix

[00:32:42] except they wanna fuck each other.

[00:32:44] Well, exactly, they have swords

[00:32:45] and yeah, they wanna fuck each other.

[00:32:46] But it's got the same sort of-

[00:32:47] Yeah, it's the same aesthetic.

[00:32:49] Five, it's the same-

[00:32:49] But there's just-

[00:32:51] It's in media res, you see them fighting

[00:32:53] and they got blindfolds

[00:32:54] but they keep on like sorta

[00:32:55] swashbuckling like fucking Antonio Banderas

[00:32:57] zorrowing each other's clothes off with their swords

[00:33:00] and then they'll take a little peeve.

[00:33:01] The Zorro sequence is wonderful

[00:33:03] but it also has this weird threat to it

[00:33:06] where he's cutting off her clothes.

[00:33:08] Yeah.

[00:33:09] And it's like intentionally aggressive.

[00:33:11] Yeah.

[00:33:12] You know, and she's fighting back or whatever

[00:33:13] but you know, it's also more period appropriate

[00:33:15] because you know, you know-

[00:33:18] I'm sorry?

[00:33:19] Men were jerks.

[00:33:20] I mean they're still jerks

[00:33:21] but men were real assholes in Zorro era

[00:33:24] just cutting off ladies' clothes all the time.

[00:33:25] Oh, I think men in 2003.

[00:33:27] Well that's-

[00:33:28] Yeah.

[00:33:29] I mean, well the thing is,

[00:33:31] what I'm trying to build to here is like,

[00:33:32] you know, when Zorro's cutting off

[00:33:34] Catherine Zeta Jones' clothes,

[00:33:35] you know, he's a scoundrel

[00:33:37] but scoundrels are much more Zorro appropriate.

[00:33:39] Zorro period appropriate.

[00:33:40] I agree.

[00:33:41] Here where they're cutting off each other's clothes.

[00:33:42] Yeah, she cuts his shirt off

[00:33:44] but he like efficiently disrobes her

[00:33:48] and she's wearing like,

[00:33:49] you know, very like sorta over-the-top,

[00:33:51] sexy underwear.

[00:33:52] Yeah.

[00:33:53] And you know, they try to have their cake

[00:33:56] and eat it and have both of them peek at each other

[00:33:59] but I don't know.

[00:34:00] It's not super balanced.

[00:34:01] No.

[00:34:02] That's what I'm saying.

[00:34:03] Look, I'm gonna read through the subtext

[00:34:04] and say what you're saying.

[00:34:05] They sure showed that computer animated dick.

[00:34:07] Oh yeah.

[00:34:08] That would've been great.

[00:34:09] If she had cut his fly-

[00:34:10] And then she's just like,

[00:34:11] just like his pants slowly fell.

[00:34:14] But you know, even though I have the pants

[00:34:15] if she just cut out of like his fly zone

[00:34:17] and then suddenly the dick went-

[00:34:18] But then everyone would be like,

[00:34:19] ah, whoa.

[00:34:20] Yeah, that's-

[00:34:21] You know what?

[00:34:22] Risky.

[00:34:23] That's how America should respond.

[00:34:25] You know what I'm saying?

[00:34:26] Fucking wake up, you sheep.

[00:34:27] Look at a dick.

[00:34:28] Yeah.

[00:34:29] Go to a movie.

[00:34:30] Look at dick's sheeple.

[00:34:31] Okay, okay.

[00:34:32] Stop yelling.

[00:34:33] Stop yelling.

[00:34:34] Buy a fucking top of popcorn and look at a dick.

[00:34:34] So anyway, we get this.

[00:34:35] This is half the film.

[00:34:37] Is just them cutting each other's clothes off.

[00:34:39] It's like a solid four or five minutes.

[00:34:41] And here's the worst part.

[00:34:42] This is the better half.

[00:34:43] That's probably true.

[00:34:44] So then the second half is

[00:34:46] they're on their ship in the real world.

[00:34:48] They see a bunch of squids and then they see like,

[00:34:51] oh no, the squids are gonna tunnel down to Zion.

[00:34:53] Which is exactly like the Sentinel chase

[00:34:55] from the first Matrix, except not as good.

[00:34:57] It's like both halves of this film

[00:34:59] are very similar to scenes from the first Matrix.

[00:35:01] It's now done without real people.

[00:35:03] Right.

[00:35:04] But, and we'll get to, anyway.

[00:35:05] And so I'll just wrap up the plot.

[00:35:07] They see that the squids are trying

[00:35:09] to tunnel down to Zion.

[00:35:10] So she has to go into the matrix

[00:35:11] and to jump around in a bunch of ways

[00:35:14] and then drop off like a message to the headquarters.

[00:35:18] And of course that message is received

[00:35:19] in the matrix we loaded.

[00:35:20] They say it like, oh, this message

[00:35:22] from the Osiris says,

[00:35:23] it was a final flight.

[00:35:24] Yeah, right.

[00:35:25] And then the squids get the ship

[00:35:27] and they blow it up.

[00:35:28] Yeah.

[00:35:29] The end.

[00:35:30] Now, I will say at the time,

[00:35:32] I thought this looked incredible.

[00:35:34] Oh, I did too.

[00:35:35] I remember just being like, wow,

[00:35:36] this is so cool.

[00:35:38] Which really is funny to think of.

[00:35:40] Yeah, I also convinced myself

[00:35:41] that Final Fantasy The Spirit Within was good.

[00:35:44] Yeah, I never did that

[00:35:45] but I did think the visuals were cool.

[00:35:47] Like I did.

[00:35:48] I did think it was the future.

[00:35:49] That movie's kind of incomprehensible, right?

[00:35:51] Kind of incomprehensible.

[00:35:53] Are you crazy?

[00:35:54] It's not remotely comprehensible.

[00:35:56] I remember that being like the most plot dense

[00:35:58] and obtuse movie I had ever seen as a 10 year old.

[00:36:01] I remember the longers.

[00:36:02] I was like 12?

[00:36:03] Yeah, I must have been 12 when it came out.

[00:36:05] Do you remember when they put that character

[00:36:07] on the cover on Maxim?

[00:36:08] Do you remember that?

[00:36:09] Of course.

[00:36:10] That was all part of this very efficient PR campaign

[00:36:13] that did not work for that movie

[00:36:14] where they were like, it's the future

[00:36:15] where it's like we're even gonna have CG cover stars.

[00:36:18] You know, CG sexy ladies and bikinis.

[00:36:20] I bet I could find it.

[00:36:21] Hey, guys, they never wanted to fuck a computer before, huh?

[00:36:25] Like that was the whole angle on that movie.

[00:36:27] I know.

[00:36:28] It was bizarre.

[00:36:30] I love that the marketing was that base

[00:36:31] where it's like, hey, you wanna fuck that cartoon, huh?

[00:36:33] And then you saw the movie and it made no sense.

[00:36:36] The movie's about like four spirits of nature.

[00:36:39] It's my robot ghost.

[00:36:40] There she is.

[00:36:41] God, yeah.

[00:36:42] That's disgusting.

[00:36:43] That's so gross.

[00:36:43] It is, it's really gross.

[00:36:45] And I'm not even just saying like...

[00:36:46] It's the other thing because like

[00:36:47] the movie itself is not about like

[00:36:49] the sexy bikini lady who has bikini adventures.

[00:36:52] It's about like a scientist voice by Ming Na

[00:36:54] who's like, you know, trying to get in...

[00:36:56] She also wears like the most sort of like

[00:36:58] androgynous jumps in the entire film.

[00:37:01] I'll say this, like when I say that's gross,

[00:37:03] it is culturally gross.

[00:37:05] No, it is gross.

[00:37:05] But more than that, it's just visually gross.

[00:37:07] It's weird.

[00:37:08] I mean, that's the thing.

[00:37:09] It's uncanny valley.

[00:37:09] It's unsettling.

[00:37:10] I don't like that we did it as a people,

[00:37:11] but I also just don't like looking at it.

[00:37:14] Anyway, so the second film,

[00:37:16] and let's just talk about it.

[00:37:17] Yeah, we're done with the final fight of the Osiris.

[00:37:19] The second film is, and we'll just talk about it.

[00:37:22] The second and third films are called

[00:37:23] the Second Renaissance.

[00:37:24] Love it.

[00:37:25] Yeah, they were written and directed by Mahiro Meida

[00:37:30] who's working from info from the Wachowskis,

[00:37:34] I think just to lay out the details of the machine war.

[00:37:38] The Wachowskis have a story by credit on this.

[00:37:40] And I also noticed there was no writing credit

[00:37:43] on this one, which I thought was interesting.

[00:37:46] So my theory is because this film

[00:37:48] doesn't really have dialogue.

[00:37:50] It's sort of like a textbook kind of voice over

[00:37:53] telling you the history.

[00:37:55] I feel like the Wachowskis wrote that

[00:37:57] as background information.

[00:37:59] And then as a director, he visualized it

[00:38:01] and had free reign to do whatever he wanted.

[00:38:02] It's got this crazy visual thing

[00:38:04] where you're in some sort of archival computer program

[00:38:07] and there's like a crazy lady AI

[00:38:10] who's like welcome to archives.

[00:38:14] But she also sort of looks like a Buddhist

[00:38:17] sort of deity.

[00:38:18] And there's all these like patterns,

[00:38:20] these weird color patterns that you're zooming in

[00:38:21] and around like you're moving through

[00:38:23] some sort of computer program.

[00:38:24] It's got a lot of gold, which is a color

[00:38:26] we don't really see in any of the Matrix movies.

[00:38:28] The Matrix movies are so green.

[00:38:30] We've got these burnt oranges even in the revolutions

[00:38:33] but this is like a shiny gold.

[00:38:35] So this is the most interesting of the films

[00:38:39] probably, matriculated is also interesting.

[00:38:40] We'll get to that later.

[00:38:43] I think it does an okay job.

[00:38:44] I think it's, me and Ben were talking about it

[00:38:47] before the podcast started.

[00:38:50] It's pretty easy to poke some holes

[00:38:51] in this whole grand story at TEL.

[00:38:56] Yeah, I mean, Ben, do you wanna throw your main grip out?

[00:38:59] Cause I think it's an interesting sort of thing.

[00:39:01] Well yeah, cause the story is

[00:39:04] that one of the robots overthrows

[00:39:07] and kills its masters.

[00:39:09] I guess let's just do the basic like overthrow.

[00:39:11] It's like we as a culture create a bunch of robots

[00:39:14] to be servants, right?

[00:39:16] And to manufacture shit, to make our life easier.

[00:39:19] One of the robots in sort of like classic

[00:39:21] like iRobot style kills his master.

[00:39:25] He claims it's in self-defense

[00:39:27] but they take him to trial and they execute him.

[00:39:29] And because of that the robots get angry

[00:39:31] and there sort of becomes like cultural friction.

[00:39:34] Well no, more than that, no.

[00:39:35] They don't just execute him.

[00:39:37] They start executing robots on mass.

[00:39:39] Oh, they execute all his kinds.

[00:39:40] His like model gets executed in mass.

[00:39:43] And so that prompts basically like,

[00:39:48] the film makes some very broad racism analogies.

[00:39:53] But that prompts the robots to sort of flee

[00:39:55] and start their own civilization.

[00:39:56] There's a segregation.

[00:39:58] They start their own sort of continent

[00:39:59] which is called 01.

[00:40:01] And they start manufacturing stuff from 01.

[00:40:03] And their manufacturing capabilities

[00:40:05] are much better than the humans.

[00:40:06] They quickly outstrip

[00:40:07] and they start like advancing their AI.

[00:40:10] And they quickly like outstrip human civilization.

[00:40:12] They're making car motors

[00:40:13] and then the humans are buying the car motors

[00:40:15] and then the human economy goes so far down.

[00:40:17] They say at one point like the human nation

[00:40:20] which I mean, I think that maybe the idea

[00:40:21] they're getting at is like all continents have,

[00:40:24] like all humans have become one large country

[00:40:28] which I kind of like.

[00:40:28] Like a global industrial country.

[00:40:30] Right, there's a global, yeah, sort of industry.

[00:40:33] And then the robots are their own like sovereign state.

[00:40:36] Yeah and the robots try to join the UN,

[00:40:37] they are rejected.

[00:40:38] They think now that there's these big business man,

[00:40:41] big swing and dicks, they can come back

[00:40:42] and be like hey you're gonna let us back in, right?

[00:40:44] And they're like nnnnnnnnnnnnn.

[00:40:46] And then war breaks out

[00:40:47] and then the machine war as we know it obviously ensued.

[00:40:51] Right, but the fight.

[00:40:52] With the scorching of the sky.

[00:40:53] Well that's the thing.

[00:40:53] The final strike the humans have

[00:40:55] cause it can't take down these robots anyway.

[00:40:56] They try bombing them a bunch

[00:40:57] and they're like we're robots.

[00:40:58] Don't fucking bomb them.

[00:40:59] What are you talking about?

[00:41:00] We don't care about bombs.

[00:41:01] A bomb's a robot.

[00:41:02] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:41:03] Yeah buddy, we'll just hang out with our bomb friend.

[00:41:05] So they were like oh how about we kill the sky?

[00:41:08] Yeah, we blanket the sky in nanobots.

[00:41:10] Because a lot of them are solar powered.

[00:41:12] They're all solar powered or whatever.

[00:41:14] So they kill the sun and now like the robots have won

[00:41:18] but they're also like really tired

[00:41:19] cause they don't got the sun anymore.

[00:41:21] And then they realize like oh humans.

[00:41:23] Well we know the premise of the matrix,

[00:41:25] yeah they harvest the humans' batteries.

[00:41:26] But here's the thing I like.

[00:41:27] They sort of say like they look,

[00:41:29] they were obsessed with like humans

[00:41:30] and like fascinated by the fact

[00:41:31] that they like keep on like reproducing all this.

[00:41:34] The thing that this thing gets at

[00:41:37] it explains why the robots would go through

[00:41:40] the trouble of creating the matrix

[00:41:42] rather than just having the humans be in hypersleep.

[00:41:45] Which is you show them sort of experimenting with them

[00:41:47] and they like tickle them and then they get a charge.

[00:41:50] And they make the humans cry and they get a charge.

[00:41:52] And it's like specifically the thing

[00:41:54] that charges them is human emotion.

[00:41:56] So they need to create this.

[00:41:57] They need the brains to work.

[00:41:59] They need this simulation where the humans

[00:42:01] can go through the entire human condition

[00:42:03] in order to get it.

[00:42:04] Which I think is really interesting.

[00:42:06] No, it's all interesting

[00:42:07] cause the world of the matrix is really interesting.

[00:42:08] It also gets in like a monster's ink territory

[00:42:10] where it's like gotta get them screams.

[00:42:12] But the question I had, like oh this is great.

[00:42:15] But the question I had is I don't understand

[00:42:18] the motive, like the robot motivation.

[00:42:21] Why robots would want to exist that's not explained?

[00:42:26] Well you're talking about yeah,

[00:42:26] it's the robots are,

[00:42:28] the robot survival instinct is never explained.

[00:42:31] Right.

[00:42:32] And for that to exist there essentially needs to be

[00:42:34] and this is a common like theme

[00:42:36] in a lot of sci-fi stories about robotics

[00:42:39] is the idea of this anomaly

[00:42:41] where somehow artificial intelligence

[00:42:43] becomes like genuine intelligence.

[00:42:46] Where feelings come into play

[00:42:48] and where they, it's Wally,

[00:42:52] it's Sunny for my robot.

[00:42:53] It's all these fucking robots

[00:42:54] where suddenly here's the one robot

[00:42:56] that has a slightly different thing.

[00:42:57] It thinks like a human.

[00:42:58] Yeah, consciousness.

[00:42:59] And then changes the sort of species.

[00:43:01] I mean these are the questions of the matrix.

[00:43:02] Is what is consciousness?

[00:43:03] Where does it evolve from?

[00:43:05] Does it begin with just self defense

[00:43:07] and like this sort of,

[00:43:08] like is that what consciousness is?

[00:43:09] It's just the desire not to die.

[00:43:11] But these two don't ever really get

[00:43:14] into the robots consciousness.

[00:43:15] They talk about what they did to survive,

[00:43:16] they don't really talk about why.

[00:43:17] This is more of a straight history.

[00:43:18] I agree that it just,

[00:43:20] it has to make these rapid jumps

[00:43:21] just to move the story along kind of quickly.

[00:43:23] Because it's kind of told like it's like

[00:43:24] a documentary you would watch in history class.

[00:43:27] Which I like.

[00:43:28] Like the narration's very sort of like clinical.

[00:43:32] Me too, I like that too.

[00:43:33] I just think it looks amazing.

[00:43:34] It looks amazing.

[00:43:35] I just think that animation is so cool.

[00:43:37] I think the way you see the war evolve

[00:43:41] and then like once they splinter the sky

[00:43:43] and the robots really start turning into the squids

[00:43:45] and like the red-eyed things

[00:43:46] that we know from the matrix

[00:43:48] is just so like nightmarish.

[00:43:50] The violence is really gross.

[00:43:52] Well there's like a terrifying,

[00:43:53] I mean a really successfully terrifying sequence

[00:43:57] where you see this like scantily clad woman

[00:44:00] running down the street

[00:44:01] and the guy is just fucking cold cocking her.

[00:44:03] But she's a robot.

[00:44:04] Well that's what you find out.

[00:44:05] I mean he rips her shirt open first

[00:44:07] and her breasts are hanging out

[00:44:08] and she's crying and screaming

[00:44:09] and you're like, this is really upsetting.

[00:44:11] Are you trying to show us

[00:44:12] that humans turned on each other?

[00:44:14] And then he punches her further

[00:44:16] and her whole face flies off.

[00:44:17] It's like oh she's a robot.

[00:44:19] But it's playing on this sort of like,

[00:44:21] it's the same thing as like sexual abuse as racism.

[00:44:24] You know it's like-

[00:44:25] Which you know sometimes these things

[00:44:27] are tough to draw.

[00:44:28] I just want you know these parallels

[00:44:29] can be a little broad.

[00:44:31] They also quote Clarence Darrow

[00:44:32] and they also quote the Dread Scott.

[00:44:34] Like they do these broad things.

[00:44:36] But that's fine.

[00:44:36] I mean like it's fine.

[00:44:38] It's just you know, it's broad stuff.

[00:44:39] What I do like is that the Matrix movies themselves

[00:44:42] properly like don't get into

[00:44:45] because we're seeing it from the humans

[00:44:46] who are the ones-

[00:44:47] The main development, the machines of the enemies

[00:44:49] especially in the first Matrix.

[00:44:50] Right.

[00:44:51] Yeah.

[00:44:52] And you don't understand how it happens

[00:44:53] so you're just like oh the robots got smart

[00:44:55] and they killed us all.

[00:44:56] I mean and also that's such a classic sci-fi trope

[00:44:58] as evil you know AI.

[00:44:59] You watch these and you're like

[00:45:02] oh it's so much more depressing

[00:45:04] because they just wanted to be equals

[00:45:06] and we wouldn't let them fucking in the door.

[00:45:08] Well it's like what we were supposed to say please

[00:45:10] and thank you to a robot?

[00:45:12] Exactly.

[00:45:12] Ben's right.

[00:45:13] How dare you.

[00:45:14] Fuck you robots.

[00:45:15] I like robots.

[00:45:16] I want to be friends with a robot.

[00:45:17] No, I mean this is why I love

[00:45:18] the Matrix sequels so much.

[00:45:20] Yeah.

[00:45:21] It's because they dig into these questions.

[00:45:22] I think the only thing in the first Matrix movie

[00:45:25] is that idea which is said

[00:45:26] that we are the ones who scorched the sky like that.

[00:45:29] So you realize like okay

[00:45:31] we may have been the architects of our own doing here.

[00:45:33] Yes.

[00:45:34] And obviously like Agent Smith's growing consciousness

[00:45:37] is like a sort of seed for that idea.

[00:45:39] Right.

[00:45:40] You know blah blah blah blah blah.

[00:45:41] But that's what I like about the sequels

[00:45:42] is that they dig into this thing.

[00:45:43] It's like yeah you know what

[00:45:45] humans aren't great either.

[00:45:46] You know.

[00:45:47] No.

[00:45:48] We're all pieces of shit.

[00:45:48] Then again I would also kill all the robots.

[00:45:52] Yeah but then I also watched this

[00:45:53] and I'm like okay so we treated them like garbage.

[00:45:55] They gave us like six chances right?

[00:45:57] They kept on being like please.

[00:45:59] Yeah I know.

[00:45:59] I know.

[00:46:00] Right?

[00:46:01] And then they were nice enough to like

[00:46:02] put us in a world where everything's really nice.

[00:46:04] Well that's the thing.

[00:46:05] There is a benevolent weirdness to it

[00:46:07] but it's also so creepy because we see them like.

[00:46:09] The thing I think the film successfully shows

[00:46:12] the cruelty of the robots.

[00:46:14] I agree.

[00:46:15] In experimenting on people you see that thing

[00:46:17] where they like rip open a mecha suit

[00:46:18] and they start like.

[00:46:19] Ugh.

[00:46:20] So creepy.

[00:46:21] Oh terrifying yeah.

[00:46:22] So cool.

[00:46:23] But because the film has that clinical narration and stuff

[00:46:26] it almost seems like it's propaganda for the robots.

[00:46:28] It's like I'd say robot written narrative right?

[00:46:31] AI narrative.

[00:46:32] But at the same time we can sympathize

[00:46:34] with what the bad things they're doing you know.

[00:46:36] It exists in a lot of moral gray area

[00:46:38] and I also think it makes the films themselves

[00:46:41] more morally gray which is like what you,

[00:46:44] the most you could ask for of something like this.

[00:46:47] Of a supplemental piece that's meant to

[00:46:50] enhance the original films.

[00:46:52] You know what I'm saying?

[00:46:53] Yeah absolutely.

[00:46:54] Like this is what I want.

[00:46:55] The platonic ideal of an animatrix role.

[00:46:56] I'm not saying it's the best one

[00:46:57] but it's like the platonic ideal of how it could function.

[00:46:59] Yes.

[00:47:00] I think what trickulates the best one.

[00:47:02] There's also an insane shot where a robot's

[00:47:04] got a human's head and he just squeezes it.

[00:47:06] And he pulls it apart yeah.

[00:47:07] He squeezes it until the eyes pop out

[00:47:09] and then you're like okay I got it.

[00:47:10] The eyes popped out.

[00:47:11] And then like the brain pops out from the eyes.

[00:47:14] Fucking robots man.

[00:47:16] Don't mess with them.

[00:47:16] Still wanna be friends with one

[00:47:17] if we have any robot listeners

[00:47:19] please tweet at me, grif lightning on Twitter.

[00:47:21] I like robots I wanna be friends with robots.

[00:47:24] Okay number three is kids story.

[00:47:27] Number four technically is kids story

[00:47:29] written by the Wachowskis oops

[00:47:32] and directed by Sinichiro Watanabe

[00:47:35] who let me see who he is.

[00:47:38] And neither of us are big anime people.

[00:47:39] We should throw that out as a disclaimer.

[00:47:41] Who worked on Coway Bebop.

[00:47:43] Okay.

[00:47:44] And you know the guy who did the second renaissance

[00:47:48] Mahiro Meita he has a lot of interesting credits.

[00:47:51] He worked on a lot of cool anime shows

[00:47:54] like Neon Genesis, Evangeline.

[00:47:58] I've heard of that one.

[00:48:01] And he worked on a lot of Ghibli movies

[00:48:03] and he worked on the Kill Bill anime sequels.

[00:48:06] Oh which I love that.

[00:48:07] I don't know if his credit is like the director

[00:48:08] he just did a lot of key art for those things.

[00:48:10] Just FYI.

[00:48:11] Yeah.

[00:48:12] So kids story this is about the kid

[00:48:14] from the Matrix sequels who's really annoying.

[00:48:17] Yeah there was a kid that we didn't give a shit about

[00:48:19] in two separate movies.

[00:48:20] Played by a Clayton Watson.

[00:48:21] And you were like why are they putting

[00:48:22] all this time and energy into him?

[00:48:24] He's in Reloaded a little bit and he's in Revolutions a lot.

[00:48:28] But in Reloaded he's not in a lot

[00:48:30] but they give him like a big fucking entrance.

[00:48:32] Like they hit it hard when he shows up

[00:48:35] and it's because this was part of that trans media idea

[00:48:38] they had which is like you're gonna see this kid

[00:48:40] and you're gonna be like where did this kid come from

[00:48:42] and then you gotta watch the animatrix.

[00:48:43] You watch it and you're like I don't know.

[00:48:45] I mean who gives a shit?

[00:48:47] I don't like that kid.

[00:48:48] Yeah no nobody cares.

[00:48:49] I think this one looks great.

[00:48:51] It's a very interesting look.

[00:48:53] Yeah it's really cool.

[00:48:54] It's really weird.

[00:48:55] And like it's basically the story is very simple.

[00:48:58] This kid feels alienated.

[00:49:00] He has classic matrix red pill feelings

[00:49:04] where he's like something's wrong.

[00:49:05] He's talking to Neo on his computer hacking away.

[00:49:08] It's like when Neo starts talking to Trinidad.

[00:49:10] Yeah absolutely.

[00:49:11] And this sure is essentially matrix high.

[00:49:13] Like it's like the whole opening chunk of Neo

[00:49:16] in the first matrix except done in high school instead.

[00:49:19] So it's like okay he's talking to Neo

[00:49:21] instead of Neo talking to Trinity.

[00:49:23] The agents come and find him at school

[00:49:24] rather than at the office.

[00:49:26] It's like the shit we've seen before.

[00:49:28] But on a narrative level nothing.

[00:49:30] Well so it's basically just that.

[00:49:31] Now I think the Wachowskis are trying to write

[00:49:34] a story that's interesting to them

[00:49:35] which is this idea that people who are disaffected

[00:49:39] who suffer from depression

[00:49:40] who suffer from some out of body problems

[00:49:43] like the matrix is a dramatization of what that is

[00:49:46] and feeling unglued from the world

[00:49:49] and like you know that's a cool idea

[00:49:50] but it's all this thing is very simple

[00:49:53] and not that interesting.

[00:49:54] Agreed.

[00:49:55] Except for one thing.

[00:49:56] Which is?

[00:49:57] He escapes the matrix by himself.

[00:49:58] Yeah.

[00:49:59] Which is a weird concept.

[00:50:00] By killing himself.

[00:50:01] He throws himself out of a school window.

[00:50:04] Yeah.

[00:50:05] And you see him like point of view shot

[00:50:07] of him like falling to the ground.

[00:50:08] He started having this dream about flying through the sky

[00:50:10] and falling and everything

[00:50:11] and then he gets to the,

[00:50:12] it's this long escape sequence.

[00:50:14] He goes to the roof.

[00:50:15] He thinks he's gone away from the agents.

[00:50:16] The agents are on the roof.

[00:50:17] He knows what he has to do.

[00:50:18] He goes I knew it wasn't a dream

[00:50:19] and then he jumps off

[00:50:20] and then he wakes up.

[00:50:21] Or you hear his funeral

[00:50:23] and they're like some people

[00:50:24] aren't meant for this world.

[00:50:25] You know, he clearly was struggling, you know.

[00:50:27] His thoughts all the time.

[00:50:28] I mean he distrust paranoia,

[00:50:30] all that sorts of things.

[00:50:31] Like, okay depression thing.

[00:50:32] Sure, sure.

[00:50:33] And then it cuts him like waking up on the gurney

[00:50:36] and they're like,

[00:50:38] oh the cell rehabilitation metastasis project.

[00:50:43] They kind of do one of those one line

[00:50:44] like here's a technology you've never heard of

[00:50:46] that explains how we were able to bring him back to life.

[00:50:49] Maybe.

[00:50:50] They say something like that.

[00:50:51] They go like, oh the cell regeneration.

[00:50:53] Okay, okay.

[00:50:53] I don't even remember that.

[00:50:54] Whatever.

[00:50:55] Hey also dude can shred.

[00:50:57] Dude can shred.

[00:50:59] On the skateboard.

[00:51:00] Dude's a fucking rad border.

[00:51:02] 2003 baby.

[00:51:04] It's got the thing that the Kill Bill thing did as well.

[00:51:06] It's got this really like scratchy,

[00:51:08] sketchy line style that I really like.

[00:51:12] It sort of looks like Egon Shealy drawings.

[00:51:14] Okay.

[00:51:15] Which I love on a story level.

[00:51:17] It's not that interesting.

[00:51:19] Here's another thing I was talking about with Ben about it.

[00:51:22] I was watching this one and like,

[00:51:23] you know Neo's got a little part in this one, right?

[00:51:27] Yeah.

[00:51:28] They don't make him look like Keanu.

[00:51:29] No.

[00:51:30] And when he starts talking I was like,

[00:51:31] this guy is doing a fucking terrible Keanu impression.

[00:51:33] I mean, he sounds like nothing like Keanu

[00:51:35] has taken me out of it.

[00:51:36] No, it's Keanu Reeves.

[00:51:37] I know.

[00:51:37] Yeah.

[00:51:38] Wow.

[00:51:40] I'm dying.

[00:51:42] But it gets at this thing

[00:51:44] you saw the motion picture Keanu as well, right?

[00:51:47] Yeah, I did.

[00:51:48] I mean, oh well yeah,

[00:51:49] because his voice performance in that

[00:51:50] is also really undistinctive.

[00:51:53] Yeah, that is true.

[00:51:54] And it's weird because anyone...

[00:51:58] I'm actually gonna die.

[00:52:00] No, I just think it's like fascinating

[00:52:02] that anyone could do a good Keanu impression

[00:52:04] and then you see Keanu doing Keanu

[00:52:07] and he like doesn't sound like...

[00:52:08] Because he doesn't wanna lean into it probably.

[00:52:10] He doesn't want to lean into the like the dude.

[00:52:12] Whoa.

[00:52:13] Well Ben's theory also that we were like working on

[00:52:15] was just that like Keanu is such a physical actor.

[00:52:18] Like not just with action,

[00:52:19] but he's also so much more about presence

[00:52:21] than he is about like line readings.

[00:52:22] Maybe he's not good in a booth.

[00:52:24] I think that's true,

[00:52:25] but he's also it doesn't matter anyway.

[00:52:27] It's just weird in Keanu where they have the big scene

[00:52:30] where they cat talks

[00:52:31] and it's clearly the joke

[00:52:32] that Keanu Reeves is doing the voice

[00:52:33] and you're like that doesn't sound like Keanu Reeves.

[00:52:35] Like I know it is.

[00:52:38] But you like want him to like talk like this.

[00:52:40] You just did a better Keanu than Keanu.

[00:52:42] Exactly.

[00:52:43] I mean Keanu's performance in the film Keanu

[00:52:45] was a real let down.

[00:52:46] Really, really disappointing.

[00:52:48] But that movie's also kind of disappointing in general.

[00:52:51] Yeah it's fine.

[00:52:51] It's fine.

[00:52:52] All right the next film is called Program.

[00:52:54] It's written and directed by Yoshiaki Kawajiri

[00:52:59] who is a veteran of Japanese animation.

[00:53:03] The creator of titles like Wicked City,

[00:53:05] Ninja Scroll and Vampire Hunter D.

[00:53:09] Colon Bloodlust.

[00:53:11] Okay.

[00:53:12] All sound great.

[00:53:13] This one stars the great Phil Lamar,

[00:53:16] the aforementioned Phil Lamar.

[00:53:17] Yeah as duo is Samurai.

[00:53:20] Any other characters name is Cis?

[00:53:21] Cis, the Bress.

[00:53:23] Yeah.

[00:53:26] So this has a very cool animation style.

[00:53:29] Very cool.

[00:53:30] And it's like this sort of samurai battle

[00:53:32] between this like crazy white lady with big white hair

[00:53:35] and this sort of guy in like samurai armor

[00:53:38] among these trees.

[00:53:39] And this sort of like a classic feudal Japan like setting.

[00:53:43] Right and it feels like, you know,

[00:53:44] I mean it's sort of analogous

[00:53:48] to the Kung Fu training sequence in the first matrix

[00:53:50] because it's in such a different setting.

[00:53:52] It's less annoying to watch it a second time

[00:53:54] than it was in Last Flight of the Osiris.

[00:53:58] But yeah, it's like just crazy sort of like

[00:54:02] impressionistic surreal samurai world.

[00:54:08] But you know what we just kind of said everything

[00:54:11] about it?

[00:54:12] That's sort of the problem with this one.

[00:54:14] Here's the rest of this one.

[00:54:16] The guy in it is like, hey, no one's listening.

[00:54:18] Why don't you know?

[00:54:19] I'm gonna leave, go back into the matrix.

[00:54:21] Yeah he's basically just doing the cipher argument

[00:54:24] where he's like when I took the red pill

[00:54:25] I wanna know the truth.

[00:54:26] Now I don't care about the truth.

[00:54:27] Like yeah we already heard that, you know,

[00:54:29] stuff from the cipher story in the first matrix.

[00:54:33] That's all fine they have a big battle

[00:54:35] she defeats him, you know,

[00:54:36] she resists his challenge.

[00:54:38] And then it turns out it was all a training program

[00:54:40] to see if she would give in to that.

[00:54:43] Yeah, that's stupid.

[00:54:44] Yeah and I wanna say too,

[00:54:45] it's like why is every simulation fighting?

[00:54:49] Like why can't it be like...

[00:54:50] You like to fight?

[00:54:51] I don't know, a swim in the Caribbean.

[00:54:56] I agree.

[00:54:57] Or...

[00:54:58] Here's the question.

[00:54:59] Ice cream in bed, here's the program.

[00:55:01] Yeah, no cause that's tough to do.

[00:55:02] It is tough to eat ice cream in bed,

[00:55:04] it would be helpful to have a training program.

[00:55:05] Here's the question.

[00:55:06] But it's tough to do.

[00:55:07] Like so do you think...

[00:55:08] Can they swim?

[00:55:09] Yeah, here's my question.

[00:55:10] What about swimming with ice cream in bed?

[00:55:11] Here's my question.

[00:55:12] That would be difficult.

[00:55:13] Ooh.

[00:55:14] Cause one hand would have to keep it above water

[00:55:15] or else you'd get wet ice cream.

[00:55:17] But you get a little floaty.

[00:55:18] This is my question.

[00:55:20] Yeah.

[00:55:22] Do you think they have sex in the training programs?

[00:55:25] You know, there are sex programs.

[00:55:27] Question.

[00:55:28] So here's my question.

[00:55:29] Why isn't one of those shorts about that?

[00:55:30] No, not that.

[00:55:32] You have to be plugged in

[00:55:34] and you have to have the programs loaded by an engineer

[00:55:36] and he has to like watch.

[00:55:38] So how do you deal with that?

[00:55:40] Is it kinda like you go over to Tank

[00:55:42] and you're like, hey Tank,

[00:55:43] I wanna have sex with Switch.

[00:55:44] I'm A-Pock.

[00:55:45] Yeah, don't look.

[00:55:46] Hey Tank, I'm A-Pock.

[00:55:48] I wanna have sex with Switch.

[00:55:49] So can you plug us both in?

[00:55:51] Just load my favorite sex program

[00:55:54] and then just take it easy for 15 minutes.

[00:55:56] You know, just take a coffee break, you know, whatever.

[00:55:57] You know what he'd say.

[00:55:59] Switch though.

[00:56:01] Not like this.

[00:56:02] So anyway...

[00:56:03] Not like these.

[00:56:04] That's program.

[00:56:05] Here's another question.

[00:56:06] It looks good.

[00:56:07] I have nothing to say about program.

[00:56:08] Here's another question I had, okay?

[00:56:09] So like in the matrix they say

[00:56:11] like if you die in the matrix, you die in real life.

[00:56:14] And the scenes where we see someone's plugged in

[00:56:17] and they get shot or whatever

[00:56:18] and then they cut back to them like in the real world

[00:56:21] on the Nebuchadnezzar

[00:56:22] and they're like bleeding out their mouth.

[00:56:23] Bleeding out their mouth.

[00:56:24] They're getting those injuries, right?

[00:56:26] Not specifically though.

[00:56:27] It's like not if you get shot,

[00:56:29] you don't get a gunshot wound.

[00:56:30] But you're having the internal effects of it.

[00:56:33] Yes.

[00:56:33] Your body reacts.

[00:56:34] Right?

[00:56:35] If you go into the matrix in like a simulation...

[00:56:39] Well wait, matrix or a training program.

[00:56:41] Those are two different things.

[00:56:43] If you go into...

[00:56:44] I'll say for either one.

[00:56:46] Okay.

[00:56:46] Okay?

[00:56:47] Yeah.

[00:56:48] I think my question applies to either one.

[00:56:49] But for the sake of clarity and keeping it on subject,

[00:56:52] I'll say a training program.

[00:56:54] If you go into a training program

[00:56:55] that's training you how to fuck.

[00:56:57] Right?

[00:56:58] Fuck.

[00:56:59] And you do some fucking in the training program.

[00:57:02] Do you come in real life?

[00:57:04] Probably.

[00:57:05] You make a mess in your pants.

[00:57:06] You probably, it'd be like a wet dream, right?

[00:57:08] Probably.

[00:57:09] Wet dream's just the matrix.

[00:57:12] Yeah, that's what they are.

[00:57:13] Hey actually I have another question.

[00:57:15] Please.

[00:57:15] David, you probably will be able to help with this.

[00:57:19] Maybe Griffin.

[00:57:20] So in a matrix, are there like for example,

[00:57:23] are there people with disabilities?

[00:57:25] Like is there blind people in the matrix?

[00:57:27] Cause that fucking sucks dude.

[00:57:29] Yeah, I think there is.

[00:57:30] That's bullshit.

[00:57:31] You mean so it's like right,

[00:57:32] not only are you a slave to machines who lives in like a...

[00:57:34] But also within the world of the matrix,

[00:57:36] they haven't even...

[00:57:37] Well no, yeah they are.

[00:57:39] That's absolutely true.

[00:57:40] 100%.

[00:57:41] Because the whole point of the matrix is it has to be real.

[00:57:43] They talk about how there was the paradise matrix

[00:57:45] where everything was good.

[00:57:46] And it didn't work.

[00:57:47] And it didn't work because we didn't accept it.

[00:57:48] I'm Kenny Valley.

[00:57:49] Yeah.

[00:57:50] The only people who can look like badasses

[00:57:51] are people who are broadcasting from the real world

[00:57:53] and plugging into the matrix

[00:57:55] because they know they're in a fake thing.

[00:57:57] And that's why anytime Keanu plugs into the matrix

[00:58:00] he looks like fucking hot shit.

[00:58:02] You know, and he's got like,

[00:58:04] you know $2,000 cask.

[00:58:08] Or whatever.

[00:58:08] But normal people don't know that so yeah.

[00:58:10] Okay here's another question I have.

[00:58:12] And David or Ben,

[00:58:13] you might be able to help me with this one.

[00:58:16] How does sex work?

[00:58:18] Oh just in general?

[00:58:19] Yeah what is sex?

[00:58:21] Dude, that's a great question.

[00:58:23] Is it good?

[00:58:23] I heard good things.

[00:58:24] Like warm apple pie.

[00:58:25] No that's a blow job right?

[00:58:26] That's what that is a metaphor for in the film.

[00:58:29] Sex is like American pie too.

[00:58:32] Like a warm DVD of American pie too.

[00:58:33] It's like American pie too.

[00:58:35] It's mostly a contractually obligated

[00:58:39] underwritten affair.

[00:58:42] Yeah I don't know.

[00:58:43] It's Chris Klein's last chance for relevancy.

[00:58:45] I do like that in American pie.

[00:58:48] Everyone has very stupid like,

[00:58:51] you know, fakey Hollywood crazy.

[00:58:53] Oh boy like they're having sex

[00:58:55] and this like on a pool table with the mom

[00:58:57] like whoa all this crazy shit.

[00:58:59] Except for it's Mina Suvarian Chris Klein right?

[00:59:02] Yeah just.

[00:59:03] Who just no no no it's not.

[00:59:04] It's Thomas and Nicholas and Tara Reid.

[00:59:07] Because right Chris Klein and Mina Suvarian

[00:59:09] don't even have sex.

[00:59:09] Oh wait that's the big thing.

[00:59:10] They watched The Sunrise.

[00:59:11] Right Thomas and Nicholas and Tara Reid

[00:59:14] just have like boring loss of virginity sex

[00:59:16] where she's just gonna like ow.

[00:59:18] Yeah.

[00:59:18] And like he's like you okay?

[00:59:19] And she's like I'm okay.

[00:59:20] Yeah.

[00:59:21] And that's it.

[00:59:21] It's like totally,

[00:59:22] I like that they at least throw you a bone

[00:59:25] with like no pun intended.

[00:59:27] Yeah.

[00:59:28] Been a while since I saw American pie

[00:59:29] but I think I'm right.

[00:59:30] Yeah.

[00:59:31] No I think you're right.

[00:59:33] I think so too.

[00:59:36] By the way our next May series is the American Pie franchise.

[00:59:39] Would we do the directed TV series?

[00:59:41] Yeah you have to.

[00:59:41] You have to do all nine.

[00:59:42] But they're not canon.

[00:59:44] Are they not?

[00:59:45] No they're not.

[00:59:45] I think it's canon that one dude's dad

[00:59:49] after that dude goes off to college

[00:59:52] just starts hanging out with other teenagers.

[00:59:54] Including various relatives of Stiffler.

[00:59:58] There's like three different Stiffler relatives in this

[01:00:01] Hey you're Stiffler's pool cleaner.

[01:00:04] Okay so imagine your dad,

[01:00:06] imagine you go off to college

[01:00:08] and your dad just starts to start hanging out with relatives of

[01:00:11] And he like emails you.

[01:00:12] That dude you didn't like.

[01:00:14] He's like I ran a naked mile with Stiffler's you know Deccan cousin.

[01:00:18] And Jim's like Stiffler was a burden.

[01:00:21] Jim's like I got married.

[01:00:22] I'm married to Allison Hannigan now.

[01:00:24] I've just been talking about how I don't want to hang out with Stiffler

[01:00:26] and he just comes with the rest of the guys.

[01:00:29] That's like the big thing in American Pie 2 is the only reason they can afford the summer houses

[01:00:33] because Stiffler has money.

[01:00:34] And they're like fuck I don't want to live with Stiffler.

[01:00:36] I don't want to live with Stiffler.

[01:00:37] And Jim's dad's like don't worry

[01:00:39] I'm gonna hang out with Stiffler's nephew.

[01:00:42] But it's always like it's like Stiffler goes to band camp.

[01:00:45] I haven't seen these films but I've seen like trailers for them.

[01:00:48] And then it's like who turns around in the chair but Jim's dad he's like

[01:00:52] I'm the new administrator of band camp.

[01:00:54] By the way he's still never given a proper name.

[01:00:56] No I don't think so.

[01:00:57] His name is Jim's dad in like American Pie 8.

[01:01:00] Eugene Levy hashed so many fucking checks man

[01:01:03] because he was in Cheaper by the Dozen 2.

[01:01:05] He's in just so many it's incredible.

[01:01:07] He was in that movie with the Olsen twins.

[01:01:10] New York Minute which I saw opening day in theaters.

[01:01:12] He was in The Man with Samuel Jackson.

[01:01:15] Bring Down the House.

[01:01:17] I remember Samuel Jackson screened The Man for victims of Hurricane Katrina for free.

[01:01:24] I remember that.

[01:01:25] It was very hard to make fun of that because it was in very noble gesture of him but it was

[01:01:28] But also they had gone through so much suffering at that point.

[01:01:31] Why make them watch The Man?

[01:01:33] How did we get on this?

[01:01:33] Oh for god's sake.

[01:01:35] Wait, wait, wait.

[01:01:36] I was gonna say something really funny.

[01:01:37] Oh oh no just I mean I do have one funny thing to say but before that.

[01:01:42] Before that?

[01:01:43] Can you imagine how offensive Bring Down the House must be to watch today?

[01:01:49] Because even at the time.

[01:01:49] Bring Down the House was offensive at the time.

[01:01:51] Very offensive.

[01:01:52] Now.

[01:01:52] But I mean it was like remarked upon that like this is an offensive film.

[01:01:56] Oh this is a very aggressive movie.

[01:01:58] If that really came out tomorrow.

[01:01:59] People would burn down the house.

[01:02:00] Yeah they would literally burn down the movie house.

[01:02:02] Burn down the movie house.

[01:02:03] Um no I mean it's a terrible terrible piece of shit.

[01:02:06] This is what I was gonna say.

[01:02:07] Do you think one of the American Pie sequels has a scene where they're-

[01:02:10] Isn't the entire premise of Bring Down the House just that it's outrageously

[01:02:13] crazy to imagine that Steve Martin would be friends with a black lady?

[01:02:17] Correct.

[01:02:17] It's like the whole idea.

[01:02:18] It's like Steve Martin's got a new friend and it's Queen Latifa.

[01:02:23] What?

[01:02:23] $160 million domestic.

[01:02:28] That's the only joke of that film.

[01:02:30] And Eugene Levy with Cornrow is going, you got me straight tripping bro.

[01:02:34] That's right I forgot about that.

[01:02:36] I mean that was $60 million alone on that line.

[01:02:38] That movie is fucking awful.

[01:02:41] Um do you think there's a scene in one of the American Pie sequels where like

[01:02:45] Eugene Levy is like hi nice to meet you I'm Jim's dad.

[01:02:48] And they're like who's Jim?

[01:02:52] I don't know and I don't care to find out.

[01:02:54] I haven't even seen- I've only seen American Pie's one and two.

[01:02:57] I have not seen wedding or reunion.

[01:03:00] Oh bro you gotta attend the wedding.

[01:03:02] I do not and I won't.

[01:03:04] There's another thing Jonathan Braylock who gives me shit all every fucking week on Twitter.

[01:03:08] You see it every week.

[01:03:10] He's coming hard on me.

[01:03:11] Every week he comes right at me as one of our fans.

[01:03:13] Braylock, friend of the podcast, former guest, friend of mine.

[01:03:16] I love you John but every week you come after me.

[01:03:19] And this week he committed the most unforgivable sin which was suggesting that we do Brett Ratner

[01:03:24] one day as a blank check.

[01:03:26] He is not a blank check filmmaker and the slightest.

[01:03:28] Towerhouse though.

[01:03:30] He is the- he's someone who literally Hollywood would be- would just be like

[01:03:34] can you imitate the style enough of like

[01:03:37] silence of lamps to do us a red dragon?

[01:03:39] Like can you copy Brian Singer quickly just to do X-Men the last day?

[01:03:42] You know just come on quickly.

[01:03:43] I can't wait to see how Braylock live tweets us talking about him right now

[01:03:47] but I also love that like for the first half of our podcast when he would live tweet the

[01:03:50] episodes he'd be like Griffin what the fuck are you talking about?

[01:03:53] And now he switched it coming on really hard on you.

[01:03:55] He's so cruel to me.

[01:03:56] Ben, you're up next.

[01:03:58] You're gonna face the Bray pretty soon.

[01:04:00] All right.

[01:04:01] Oh no.

[01:04:01] So let's move on because actually-

[01:04:02] Gonna get Bray-

[01:04:03] What's our running time, Ben?

[01:04:05] About an hour.

[01:04:06] Okay cool.

[01:04:06] All right so yeah we're getting done.

[01:04:07] We'll be done in two minutes.

[01:04:13] So World Record is the next one.

[01:04:15] Okay.

[01:04:17] Screenplay by Kawajiri who did the screenplay for program and directed by Takeshi Koyuki.

[01:04:23] I don't know I'm certain I'm mangling some of these names and I'm sorry.

[01:04:28] Anyway, I don't really have anything for you on him.

[01:04:30] Anyway this is also kind of cool looking also weird looking.

[01:04:33] Yeah.

[01:04:34] It's about a runner like a sprinter who breaks the world record for sprinting

[01:04:40] and there's the suggestion that he's so good at this that he's almost like a glitch in

[01:04:44] the matrix and he's becoming somewhat aware that the world is not as it seems.

[01:04:48] I do somehow manipulating.

[01:04:50] Right.

[01:04:50] Yeah.

[01:04:51] And the agents show up to try and like stop him basically from like basically you know

[01:04:56] breaking the world record because it's too weird.

[01:04:57] They don't want to do like superhuman Neo stuff.

[01:05:01] Can I give this a short an award?

[01:05:05] I would like to give-

[01:05:06] I was nodding.

[01:05:07] I would like to give World Record

[01:05:09] The award for most animated knee sweat.

[01:05:20] Lot of me a lot of calf in this movie.

[01:05:24] I'd say there's probably 20 a solid I'm not overestimating here a solid 20% of this runtime

[01:05:30] is a close-up of a knee with like just beads of sweat like spring like propelled off it

[01:05:35] like spring load it off of the knee.

[01:05:38] I mean the film is dramatizing an eight second 100 meter dash so you know it really has to slow

[01:05:43] things down.

[01:05:43] It's like sinewy you're seeing like the muscles like slowly pulsate.

[01:05:46] You see his muscles like rupture.

[01:05:49] It's gross.

[01:05:50] It's gross but if you love knee sweat I mean you're gonna you're gonna dig this thing hard.

[01:05:55] Yeah I think that's enough right I think we did it.

[01:05:58] About this one?

[01:05:59] Yeah yeah I mean this one is like this gets into the sort of like Twilight Zony like

[01:06:03] tails from the Matrix kind of like here are just things that could happen in a world.

[01:06:08] Right it has this vaguely interesting idea that he's right he's so fast and he's breaking the rule

[01:06:13] so much that he like they're kind of trying to shock him in his pod back into submission

[01:06:18] yeah and he's briefly aware of like being in the pod like he briefly escapes and then

[01:06:23] you know sort of locks back into the matrix.

[01:06:25] You know the code sort of starts to lift kind of a cool idea.

[01:06:28] Yeah and the ending is cool like his legs totally rupture and then it cuts to him

[01:06:31] at the hospital and he's got a big brace.

[01:06:33] He will never walk again.

[01:06:35] And then he fucking wills himself to us.

[01:06:37] And says free which is maybe laying it on a little thing.

[01:06:42] The next film is called Beyond and it's written directed by Koji Morimoto

[01:06:49] who is a Japanese anime director who worked on Akira, worked on Kiki's delivery service

[01:06:57] and he's the co-founder of Studio Four Degrees.

[01:06:59] I don't know.

[01:07:00] Oh Studio Four Degrees.

[01:07:00] We're anime neo fights.

[01:07:05] Yeah we really are.

[01:07:06] I mean really I know shit about anime.

[01:07:07] No I pretend to know.

[01:07:08] It's crazy I know so much shit about so many nerdy things that anime is just the biggest

[01:07:12] blind spot I don't I just never got into it.

[01:07:15] Apart from the Pokemon anime which I watched every episode.

[01:07:17] But there's like so much nerd stuff that I know just from sort of osmosis from proximity.

[01:07:22] Do you know what I'm saying?

[01:07:23] Yeah.

[01:07:23] Like you spend enough time in a comic book store you start to know about other

[01:07:26] adjacent nerd properties just because you're like in those worlds.

[01:07:30] I know like certain anime titles but I don't know like fucking nothing.

[01:07:35] You know?

[01:07:35] What are you gonna do?

[01:07:36] Yeah.

[01:07:37] I mean I got pretty much heavy metal and that's about it.

[01:07:40] Sure.

[01:07:42] Yeah I mean that that doesn't really that was.

[01:07:43] That's not even anime.

[01:07:44] No it was just an animated movie.

[01:07:45] It was French.

[01:07:46] It was French Ben.

[01:07:47] Oh sorry.

[01:07:48] Yeah um.

[01:07:49] It's cool though.

[01:07:50] I didn't realize it was specific to I guess Japan.

[01:07:55] Anime.

[01:07:55] Yeah I think anime like yeah I think specifically.

[01:07:59] Can I also say you like.

[01:08:00] There's anime inspired stuff.

[01:08:02] You're looking heavy metal is the least surprising thing I've ever heard.

[01:08:05] That's pretty.

[01:08:07] There's another thing that Ben likes that we're gonna talk about in a few minutes.

[01:08:10] So I won't talk about it.

[01:08:11] Yeah I mean don't don't spoil it.

[01:08:12] No no no no I mean about it doesn't matter we'll get to it.

[01:08:14] Oh oh about the animatrix you're saying we'll get to it.

[01:08:16] Yes yes yes.

[01:08:17] Anyway beyond.

[01:08:18] Yeah.

[01:08:18] Beyond's cute.

[01:08:19] Yeah this is probably I don't think it's the worst one but it's the most kind of

[01:08:22] inconsequential one for me.

[01:08:23] Very inconsequential.

[01:08:24] It's basically a bunch of kids including a teenage girl stumble across a glitch in the

[01:08:29] matrix like a weird house where weird shit happens.

[01:08:31] Yeah.

[01:08:32] And they play around there and then it gets fixed by the agents and that's the end of that.

[01:08:37] This also I mean looks good.

[01:08:39] Well see I was gonna say this is actually my least favorite.

[01:08:42] Anime.

[01:08:43] It's very traditional.

[01:08:44] It's very traditional it's sort of limited movement expressive like backgrounds but like

[01:08:52] their faces are pretty static you know.

[01:08:54] I mean it's just it's not it's not aesthetically my kind of thing.

[01:08:56] I'm not gonna try to explain it because I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.

[01:09:01] But yeah it's kids just looking for a cat.

[01:09:04] Yeah take care of your cats.

[01:09:06] Yeah I think let's focus on that for a second.

[01:09:09] Geez let's not you don't want to focus on it.

[01:09:11] I don't want to focus on it.

[01:09:13] I know I want to move on to the next story which is called a detective story.

[01:09:16] Because you could put a chip on the cat and you could track it with the GPS.

[01:09:20] Yeah.

[01:09:22] Uh yeah cool.

[01:09:24] Good ideas guys.

[01:09:25] A detective story we're booking through these.

[01:09:27] Well because I feel like we're gonna talk a lot about matriculated we're more than an hour in already.

[01:09:31] What is a bell gonna do you know?

[01:09:33] Yeah what you may put an iPod shuffle.

[01:09:36] Yeah exactly.

[01:09:38] So you can hear different songs rather than just the bell over and over and over again.

[01:09:42] A detective story is written and directed by Sinishiro Watanabe.

[01:09:47] Oh he directed Bring Down the House right.

[01:09:49] He.

[01:09:50] No I already mentioned him I think.

[01:09:53] He also worked on um uh fuck uh it's coming into a kid's story.

[01:09:59] Okay uh anyway uh the although the animation is by a guy called Kazuto Nakazawa.

[01:10:05] And this one is a prequel to the matrix sort of like the original matrix sort of.

[01:10:10] Yeah uh it's got a nice animation style.

[01:10:14] Love the look at this.

[01:10:15] This noirie rainy black and white uh sort of 40s.

[01:10:19] Pulpy kind of thing uh done in voiceover.

[01:10:23] I mean it's got it's got that whole sort of vibe to it.

[01:10:26] Yeah it's basically about a private detective called Ash who is voiced by James Arnold Taylor.

[01:10:33] Who is uh famous I don't know if you know this for playing Obi-Wan Kenobi

[01:10:38] in the Star Wars Clone Wars and all other animated related things.

[01:10:43] I knew I recognized that thing.

[01:10:44] I was gonna say again like you were saying they employed a lot of the big uh

[01:10:49] the yoga.

[01:10:49] Yeah he is given a case to track down this hacker trinity and there's a bunch of Alice in Wonderland

[01:10:55] shit like in the movie while he looks for her and that's kind of that he finds her she tries

[01:11:02] to free him but the agents are gonna like jump into his body so she has to shoot him and he's

[01:11:08] like it's okay hell of a case though lights a cigarette and that's the end of that.

[01:11:13] Yeah I mean story wise it's kind of kaka poopoo it looks amazing.

[01:11:17] It does have that interesting idea though of like why don't the agents just jump into Nio's body.

[01:11:23] Yes and like which is never really redressed.

[01:11:25] Ben throughout something that I kind of like you do you want to state your case for this one Ben?

[01:11:31] Uh I don't know if I remember now.

[01:11:33] The thing you were saying about him sort of being so uh old fashioned?

[01:11:37] Oh yeah like he would never be able to uh actually deal with the reality of the world

[01:11:44] like you know that he's stuck in the 40s.

[01:11:47] Like the fact that this guy is like fashion himself as like a Philip Marlowe character.

[01:11:51] Right.

[01:11:52] Even just in how his like internal monologue sounds but you realize he's in fucking 1999

[01:11:58] because it's you know set the matrix.

[01:12:00] Sure.

[01:12:01] So it's like uh this guy he's he's in the wrong genre.

[01:12:04] Sure.

[01:12:05] You know when he finds out the like he's now tipping into stepping into this territory and

[01:12:09] it's like no no don't don't even deal with this.

[01:12:12] Yeah yeah pretty much.

[01:12:18] Okay well don't fart too much.

[01:12:20] You said kaha bubu.

[01:12:21] Yeah a couple minutes back.

[01:12:24] Why do you have any further things to say?

[01:12:26] No I think it looks nice.

[01:12:27] Yeah it looks okay.

[01:12:28] Yeah.

[01:12:29] Okay so the final short which I think is the best and you agree.

[01:12:32] Yep.

[01:12:33] Is called matriculated it's written and directed by Korean American director Peter Chung

[01:12:37] who is widely known for his work on Eon Flux.

[01:12:40] Correct.

[01:12:41] The MTV Awesome 90s animated series.

[01:12:45] Adapted into the uh mangled uh.

[01:12:47] Strange Karen Katsama uh Charlie's there on starring film.

[01:12:51] Correct.

[01:12:52] Matriculated has a very cool animation style because this guy's got really that means a

[01:12:58] really amazing animator and is really cool story.

[01:13:02] Yeah so this is getting into like if you separate these into categories it's like okay

[01:13:06] there are the ones that overlap with the matrix films.

[01:13:09] Right which is like sort of detective story to a lesser degree.

[01:13:12] We already talked about this.

[01:13:13] This gets into the here here's just exploring the idea.

[01:13:18] Yeah like what it's just this is a sort of off the wall idea of like oh what if you did this.

[01:13:23] Right and it's not like oh here's another story set in it here's a different character.

[01:13:26] This is like what's a whole different like sort of philosophical angle to hit the

[01:13:30] matrix world from right which I love.

[01:13:33] Yeah because it's too easy to just think like okay so what happens is everyone just

[01:13:38] drives around in the weird hammer ships and they fight squids they go into the

[01:13:42] matrix sometimes and that's what they do.

[01:13:44] You know it's nice to see something else the humans do in the real world which is this

[01:13:48] band of humans who kidnap robots you know AI creatures they like lure them into their base

[01:13:54] plug them into a matrix like into an artificial world and try to interact with them on that level.

[01:14:01] Yeah like see if they can win them over.

[01:14:03] Right so it starts out with this cool and flexy looking woman because and I think

[01:14:08] it's not really talked about in the films at all but like the squids are not high AI.

[01:14:14] No they just are search and destroy like runs yeah exactly so it's not like the squid sit around

[01:14:18] and they're like crazy day that's a day I work I flew around sewers for a millennia

[01:14:24] like you know I haven't had a vacation for like eight months they but flying all the time

[01:14:28] I'm exhausted my tentacles ache really hard all 8,000 of them I keep getting hit with EMPs

[01:14:34] which sucks. Yeah all that fucking time here's the other thing do you know what's

[01:14:36] like to go to work every day and know that everyone hates you like I'm just getting all this

[01:14:41] negative energy all the time. So that's what's happening in matriculated they're catching one

[01:14:45] of these basically search and destroy bots it's called a runner it's got little stills legs.

[01:14:48] It's even smaller than the squid sentinels it's kind of like a daddy long legs maybe.

[01:14:53] Right and but they plug them into this artificial world and they try to interact with it there.

[01:14:57] Right so it starts out with just like the thing looks amazing and it's this

[01:15:01] an fluxy looking woman and her pet monkey I think it's a Tarsier.

[01:15:04] Sure it's a little monkey in a bottle. Really adorable looking and they're like getting this

[01:15:10] this walker to the runner to chase them and they get back to his own and then they're trapped and

[01:15:15] then the thing's kind of caught and then like the wall comes up and everyone's there applauding

[01:15:19] and they're like nice work nice work right but the whole first part of your life maybe it's

[01:15:23] just a chase thing maybe this whole short's going to be just like a her on the run thing

[01:15:27] right and then they're like good and there's this really good scene I like which is her

[01:15:30] talking to the scientist while he's sort of like doing upkeep on the machines

[01:15:35] and they're talking about the whole idea of consciousness within these machines right you

[01:15:40] know and dream states versus living states and whether like the dreams make you feel alive

[01:15:45] you know or it's a really cool idea there it's just good it's good dialogue the girl we

[01:15:49] should say is voiced by Melinda Clark who's famous a famous voice actress but also famous

[01:15:53] for being on the OC for many years is Julie Cooper. Yes and she was also in the motion

[01:15:59] picture spawn. Oh yeah way back of the day but she does a lot of voice acting. Yeah but she

[01:16:09] you don't really know where it's going at that point and then they like sit down in a circle

[01:16:14] and he's cool would you mind plugging me in and they think of the thing in the middle

[01:16:17] and they plug him in it feels a little inceptiony too where it feels like they're going into

[01:16:22] like the human subconscious because then when you get to the aesthetics of the world that

[01:16:26] they show you here it's very I mean it's really brightly colored it's very sort of

[01:16:37] I don't know it looks like it looks different. It sort of looks like these like sort of

[01:16:44] religious paintings almost yeah sure sure you know but I think the idea is it's

[01:16:50] supposed to be more of a melding of man and machine brain thinking I don't know right

[01:16:54] but also the idea that it's not as clinical as the matrix of the machine world's great which

[01:16:59] is about literally representing these things this is incorporating emotions yeah you know

[01:17:04] this is incorporating the human feeling so it is a lot more sort of fluid impressionistic

[01:17:12] impressionistic is the word I was looking for thank you it looks fucking amazing I could watch it

[01:17:20] forever well they run around for a while and eventually the robot's eyes turn green

[01:17:24] yeah other than red which suggests that there's been some sort of a change yeah they're still

[01:17:28] sort of getting the runner to chase them around within this world but they like know what they're

[01:17:32] fucking do oh they're like this is the thing this is the routine we do this all the time

[01:17:38] and then the machines come and sort of route this you know the human stronghold and kill all

[01:17:43] the humans except for the girl yeah and this robot feeling sad about it you're talking about

[01:17:48] back in the in the real world yes yes well let's wait is there something else I'm the dream

[01:17:53] no because you did we did a quick quick turn in the day oh okay they like plug out and they're

[01:17:58] like what's wrong and they're like fucking sentinels comment sure so the the robot still plugged in

[01:18:02] and the main lady still plugged in no no no no no no yes right and they're trying to find

[01:18:07] these sentinels and everyone gets killed except for her and and the main what I just said

[01:18:11] yeah but you didn't explain what I just sounded like it was within the fantasy and then so the

[01:18:16] good robot plugs himself back in and plugs the lady back in because he's sad yeah which is nice

[01:18:21] yeah and then she realizes what's going on and she literally dies she like screams and disappears

[01:18:26] it's cool yeah and then he's all alone it's incredible it is it's very good it's very it's a very

[01:18:32] good idea uh it's a it's a killer concept it looks unbelievable um they're all naked

[01:18:40] but like brightly colored whoa that's what you like yeah I like them

[01:18:48] orange bodies um I do I do like I like green people love a green person yeah you haven't seen

[01:18:56] Warcraft yet right Paul Patton's green it tomorrow yeah um it might be enough to get me to go see

[01:19:02] that movie because I like I think Warcraft is gonna be a film we're gonna have to talk about one

[01:19:07] yeah I agree it is a textbook movie that we talked about blank just like why why was all this money

[01:19:15] spent because the reaction is either people saying that was the worst film I ever saw in my entire life

[01:19:20] yeah or people saying like I don't know I think I enjoyed it like but without really being able

[01:19:26] to defend it can I can I just like stomp for a second here yeah so Warcraft cost a lot of money

[01:19:33] to make right uh yeah and it's based on this big property that's existed for a long time that has

[01:19:38] like passion defenders it's a sense of 20 years right sensitive material right like sort of

[01:19:43] like holy material to its fan base uh how many times are we fucking reading pieces where like studio

[01:19:50] executives are saying like look just there aren't enough women who are bankable enough

[01:19:53] there are enough non-white men who are bankable enough there aren't gay actors who are bankable

[01:19:57] enough okay to lead a big blockbuster who's the fucking lead of Warcraft who is this

[01:20:02] fucking jamoke with the beard uh Travis Fimmel he's in vikings oh oh of course Travis Fimmel for

[01:20:08] vikings vikings he can carry a 200 million dollar movie no I agree with you what the fuck is like

[01:20:13] because here's the thing if you're going like oh oh Taylor Kitch right mm-hmm okay he's unproven

[01:20:19] but he's done it he's doing four of these at the same time we think maybe we could balance

[01:20:22] this thing on him who fucking knows Travis Fimmel uh I have to disagree with you Taylor

[01:20:27] Kitch is the exact same scenario I'm sorry I like Taylor Kitch I think he was great on F and

[01:20:31] Friday Outlights and I get why studios all wanted to bank on him but it's the same objectionable thing

[01:20:37] find actors of color who are unproven I think both are shitty both shitty sorry Travis Fimmel

[01:20:44] is on a successful tv show that people like like you know here's the difference I mean I don't

[01:20:48] like it I guess here's the one marginal difference for me why I find Travis Fimmel even

[01:20:52] like a step beyond right I'm not saying one's better than the other I'm saying one's worse

[01:20:56] than the other the Travis thing is for me I remember when Friday Outlights was on everyone

[01:21:00] was like this Taylor Kitch guy someone should put him in movies yeah like it felt like people wanted

[01:21:05] to see him in movies he wasn't a big deal but anyone who watched that show was like he should be

[01:21:09] in movies I haven't heard anyone ever fucking say Travis Fimmel's name he's good in Maggie's

[01:21:14] plan oh great give my 200 million dollar blockbuster dude I just I'm sorry I don't disagree with

[01:21:19] your point I violently disagree with you on the Taylor Kitch thing it's the same shit

[01:21:24] I think Travis Fimmel's a step worse no it's the same shit Hollywood's always pulled

[01:21:28] and it would be worse only if Taylor Kitch had been in one movie but he was in multiple

[01:21:34] giant blockbuster franchises it was egregious he got like three at the same time and not

[01:21:39] only that he never should have done anyway because it fucked his own career like he was

[01:21:42] an idiot for signing off at John Carter you know playing gambit and there's another big one

[01:21:46] I forgot battleship yeah what the fuck was he thinking now at least battleship makes sense

[01:21:51] because it's a Peter Berg movie and Peter Berg made Friday Night Lights so you can see yeah

[01:21:55] why Peter Berg is like okay here's a guy don't sign up for all three pick one pick one bro

[01:22:02] it's just I mean the mistakes that actor made and I love Taylor Kitch I think he's a very charming

[01:22:06] actor in the right situation still it really it really makes me mad but then the same to him

[01:22:12] Gaius Charles who played um uh fuck not street I'm trying to remember their names on a Friday

[01:22:19] did you watch Friday Night Lights oh shit what's I'm gonna have to look it up because they all

[01:22:25] have you know kind of silly oh Smash Williams that's his name right uh well why is his name

[01:22:29] Smash Williams he's black he's a black actor and uh he was a great name Smash Williams he's great

[01:22:33] they've all got great Jason Street Smash Williams and uh whatever Taylor Kitch's character's name

[01:22:38] Tim Riggins uh he shit he's had no career you know he's like a guest star on Grey's Anatomy

[01:22:44] like it's nothing like it's it's right there it's stark it's laid out for you right there

[01:22:49] what happens here Michael B though yeah Michael B who of course was the later season of Friday

[01:22:53] Night's yeah yeah I mean he's a great more of that please yeah more of that yeah uh anyway sorry

[01:23:00] you just you got my goat there but I mean I don't like Travis Fimmel either like being in movies

[01:23:05] I'm not saying I assume they wanted things should have happened I want to make that clear

[01:23:09] I just the Travis Fimmel one I was like who the fuck is this it's bad I hadn't even heard

[01:23:14] of my guess is they were just like well we need kind of Viking types right because isn't this like

[01:23:18] medieval like you know they probably weren't thinking very hard about it get the Vikings guy

[01:23:22] crazy to me Dominic Cooper isn't it it's a lot of yeah a lot of uh no-name white guys are in that

[01:23:28] movie yeah yeah yeah I feel like oh Ben Foster yeah the king of Ben of no-name white guy performance

[01:23:34] I mean I love Ben Foster once in a while but I love him once in a while I think he plays a goofy

[01:23:37] wizard of this and I'm interested to see it yeah Paula Patton though well but this is the

[01:23:42] thing Paula Patton but they totally screw her over she's like crazy green like CGI with big teeth and

[01:23:49] right like she gets bad roles philosophically I hate that she can only be in a movie like that

[01:23:53] if she's green what was the other thing that she's on a base level I like green ladies well you know

[01:23:58] nothing wrong with that I enjoyed Zoe Saldana and Guardians of the Galaxy I like without you know

[01:24:04] oh the other thing she's in this year oh what a bummer the do-over what a bummer

[01:24:08] yeah the Adam Sandler and Netflix film doers got a pretty good cast Paula Patton so good in

[01:24:13] Ghost Protocol yeah I wish I'd kept her on yeah me too me too who oh the Rebecca Ferguson was a

[01:24:20] bomb bomb well here's a crazy idea have both what one woman no I know I know that was still part of

[01:24:27] the team and Rebecca Ferguson still had the exact same especially because Paul Pat Paula Patton

[01:24:31] didn't have any uh like there wasn't a romantic plotline with Tom Cruise per se

[01:24:36] pointedly didn't have a romantic where's your rebecca Ferguson there's more of that going on

[01:24:40] what do you think Ben uh sometimes I love to throw to bed just so we can freeze up I

[01:24:48] I have been tuned tuning out this whole part yeah I don't know what you guys are talking about

[01:24:53] yeah man what happened fun one thing you do know that we're talking about is the Ben surprise

[01:24:58] so let's talk about the Ben surprise big Ben surprise do we have any

[01:25:01] right well I guess we'll take a part of the witch house keys right at the end

[01:25:06] holy shit I'm not doing well folks the big Ben surprise yeah queue it up for us okay so we

[01:25:13] want to do a palette cleanser this is the end of the witch house keeper we're gonna get to our

[01:25:16] final witch house key thoughts um and we were looking what what's a good power cleanser because

[01:25:22] we didn't really do one bad members superman ended up being our last episode we wanted to

[01:25:27] series all these ideas were kind of things we talked about before but we're looking long

[01:25:30] term and we're like someone with you know someone would suggest something we go like yeah but we

[01:25:35] might want to do that director at one point we want to take that off the table and if we do

[01:25:38] that mini series later do we have to do it again what are we gonna do how do we do one that

[01:25:41] doesn't cancel it out I said the only option is old dogs David said no yeah I did I said no

[01:25:48] I said old dogs though he said no though that's correct and then I said wait a second Ben

[01:25:56] what's your favorite movie ever yeah we just threw to Ben like just Ben off top of your head and you

[01:26:02] were like how would that be a blank check and I was like what if the blank check is we're given

[01:26:06] birthday Benny the peeper himself the blank check now I want to make it clear I was very in

[01:26:12] support of this idea but I like when you was one that angle was well I want to say like the

[01:26:17] real evolution was I was like I really don't want to do old dogs maybe if we called it like Griffin's

[01:26:22] choice and like then I get to pick a movie that you don't really want to do someday

[01:26:27] then you said what if it was Ben's choice and you know you've said before we do this podcast

[01:26:33] this podcast is done to Ben sure it is wait once a lot I mean he just just now was tuning out

[01:26:39] our annoying chattering voices but people love it when Ben gets passionate about something when he

[01:26:44] finds something he really wants to fight for so he said what's the movie that Ben wants to fight for

[01:26:49] the most yeah and Ben has the floor and for once the tables are turned and Ben gets to sell us on

[01:26:56] a move and I said Ben what would that movie be off just fire it out fire the first name out of

[01:27:02] your head and this was a three-way text conversation we were having right yeah the response came in

[01:27:07] within three seconds which factoring in signal times means he probably typed it in within one second

[01:27:13] right and he responded with a single word yeah and that word Ben would you like to share that one

[01:27:19] word with the audience sure it was uh uh Fletch the uh Chevy Chase film from 1985 we said Ben

[01:27:29] you can vouch for any film Ben's Michael Richie detective comedy yes followed by Fletch lives

[01:27:36] Ben you can pick any film in history yeah and Ben said I want to fight for Fletch I love Fletch

[01:27:43] so next week we'll be covering Fletch here's one thing I want to say about Ben's got the

[01:27:48] check and he's cashing it in on Fletch here's one thing I want to say about this yeah I've

[01:27:52] never seen Fletch I have okay I think it's fun Ben's gonna be fighting for Fletch that's what

[01:27:59] I'm excited for Ben's gonna fucking fight for Fletch well it's the kind of movie comedy movie

[01:28:05] I like where it's all about the jokes right and a lot of the times the jokes break momentum the

[01:28:10] story isn't even that good but I don't know I for whatever reason as a kid I was obsessed

[01:28:16] with this movie I could quote like it at length so it's all about ball bangers these days it is

[01:28:22] I'll have a steak sandwich and uh a steak sandwich yeah charge it to the under the guys it's got some

[01:28:27] good jokes for me sorry sorry but next week Ben's taking the reins yes we're talking Fletch yes

[01:28:34] this is exciting too because Dave has never seen this movie I've never seen it yeah this is

[01:28:37] gonna be an interesting balance someone who loves Fletch someone who's fine with Fletch

[01:28:41] and someone who's never seen never seen Fletch yeah and then after that we're gonna do our

[01:28:44] next miniseries yeah yeah about Cameron Crowe I we've officially decided here's why we're doing

[01:28:50] Cameron before James we respect your votes yeah we're doing James right afterwards Cameron and

[01:28:56] Cameron yes uh the reason we're doing Cameron first is that uh Rodie's cynical marketing yeah

[01:29:03] Rodie's premieres in June and we think it would be nice to dovetail in with that you know

[01:29:09] it's it's he'll be on our minds he's got a showtime show for people who don't know what

[01:29:13] Rodie's is yeah it's his new show on showtime yeah um and it it's possibly a redemption moment for

[01:29:18] him could be maybe you know a new medium will revitalize him and uh if we did James Cameron

[01:29:23] first by the time we got to Cameron Crowe and we're then trying to talk about Rodie's yeah

[01:29:29] it's a little either it'll be a done deal people will like it and it won't be exciting or it'll

[01:29:33] be over and and we'll be beating a dead horse because you know what this podcast is is we

[01:29:37] talk about fresh stuff like the animatrix you know we really like to be on topic keep it fresh

[01:29:45] fresh so anyway the fresh maker uh no we actually have to name the podcast i don't

[01:29:49] know what we're gonna call the camera crow podcast yet i guess we'll think about it

[01:29:54] a podcast show me the podcast i mean you had me at podcasting is a pretty delightful simple

[01:30:01] it's so silly you like podcasting rather than podcast because it's just hello it's not you had

[01:30:09] me at hollowing this something so funny about it to me um you have me a podcast yeah you had me a

[01:30:16] podcast yeah it just feels so sudden you had me a podcast well i mean you know feel free to

[01:30:23] write in names but we can do we'll think about other stuff too i don't know uh almost podcasters

[01:30:29] yeah something like that we'll do something like that we're not going to call it like

[01:30:32] pod marine castro castro yeah exactly we bought a podcast we bought a pie

[01:30:45] podcast town podcast town uh podcasting town podcasts for singles you get it i do that film the

[01:30:53] only acting appearance of tim Burton i'm sure we'll talk about that at length podcast anything

[01:30:57] yeah we're almost done yeah pod anycast okay okay yeah yeah yeah yeah do you get there all

[01:31:04] well we haven't done aloha it's a hard one to do pod low yeah okay next week talking fledge

[01:31:15] week after that podcast me at hollow is kind of fun you had me at podcast is good well

[01:31:25] i don't know we'll figure it out we'll figure it out we'll figure it out i'll be

[01:31:29] always argue over the name i know i'll be better than i won't be sick and then easier to sound

[01:31:34] and then after two yeah after that we will do james camera james camera i promise you i just feel

[01:31:41] like a break from genre filmmaking this is the argument i was making it would be nice just

[01:31:46] you know just a little bit of a different stream before we dip into literally the most famous

[01:31:51] genre filmmaker of all time and look the both the camera never made a non-genre movie

[01:31:56] both the cameras are pretty close in voting we're doing we're just gonna do both of them we're

[01:31:59] flipping the order from how you wanted but it was close enough and i hope you respect our reasons

[01:32:03] and you don't take it personally we love you yeah we love you cherish your opinions we do but also

[01:32:08] you know it's like uh if if you don't like it it's our podcast and here's a free pocket and

[01:32:14] let's say this if you're wondering what the next palette cleanser would be after that little

[01:32:17] teaser we then kept the text that going because you were like wait i want to hear what other stuff

[01:32:21] ben likes ben tell me other movies you like and ben started listing movies and at one point we

[01:32:27] said what's your absolute number one favorite movie not what movie would you most like to talk about

[01:32:32] in the podcast not what movie do you most want to defend what's your number one with a bullet

[01:32:38] all time history of cinema favorite movie and ben's answer was the man who knew too little

[01:32:44] the bill Murray comedy from john amiel joint 97 which i saw as a child i haven't seen since yeah i saw

[01:32:52] in theaters remember him in a russian hat yeah me too that's all i remember so maybe one day we'll

[01:32:57] do the man who knew too little i also said stargate i like stargate i really wanted to do but

[01:33:02] kripfin was like maybe we'll do roll and emmerich one day and i was like what you totally

[01:33:06] fucking do rolling emmerich i don't want to do him he's made too many you know crappy little

[01:33:11] movies i love there tomorrow i love i just feel like that's so far down the road and also but

[01:33:17] stargate is bonkers can't deny that yeah yeah you ever see anonymous no no i haven't seen it

[01:33:23] on us he also gets talk stonewall give me a hundred oh yeah that's that's one of the

[01:33:27] worst ones i've ever seen that's one of the worst ones i ever saw i saw that movie i didn't

[01:33:31] see it it's so bad uh yeah give me a hundred million dollars oh what for listen to this

[01:33:36] a scientist played by james spader goes through a portal to ancient egypt but they're really aliens

[01:33:43] here you go right in the check let's do it this will be the first movie to ever have a website

[01:33:48] who's the villain oh you know j david you know academy award nominee j david sin who is the

[01:33:55] dude who everyone thought was a lady in the crying game and never i did again those are the only

[01:34:01] two film performances from j david pretty good two for two yeah yeah bad at a hundred got an

[01:34:05] oscar now i'm for one got an action figure from the other book closed uh they didn't stop there

[01:34:12] they made a show out of it oh boy they did they made several shows out of it i think there's three

[01:34:16] different stargate shows is that possible i think they're stargate yes stargate at least one is

[01:34:22] stargate atlantis i believe stargate universe what am i wrong i'm thinking there was also a

[01:34:27] stargate animated series at some point stargate the in mid series maybe magaver was in stargate sg1

[01:34:34] yeah i know magaver um anyway we're not doing stargate so i don't know why we're talking so much

[01:34:39] about stargate because we might just start at some point uh so that's that and that's that and so

[01:34:46] any last thoughts on the witch house keys we didn't really relate these to the witch house keys

[01:34:49] but that's because the witch house keys didn't have as heavy a hand in the animatrix

[01:34:54] um but these are all you know it's just cool to see people playing in their world and

[01:34:58] griffin what are you looking at i'm trying to pull up something it'll make sense in a second

[01:35:01] say your final thoughts on the witch house keys i'm gonna miss them i think they're some of hollywood's

[01:35:07] most just boldest voices and i'm just gonna miss talking about their movies i was so happy

[01:35:13] to talk about all these movies i i really enjoyed uh actually getting to see the full matrix trilogy

[01:35:19] yeah uh and uh you know i really got one over like a lot of our listeners to speed racer

[01:35:27] and uh jupiter ascending was great too and i just let i think that i like that they're

[01:35:32] filmmakers that have really big ideas because i i like big things i do too i think they're great

[01:35:41] um i will say i was talking to a friend the other day and i kept on saying like you know we

[01:35:45] do this you know that's our struggle like they were saying like we an hour and he was like what's

[01:35:51] with all this like lofty we and our stuff and i was like honestly i think there's just i've been

[01:35:55] watching more house game movies for like the last two and a half months yeah yeah like they've really

[01:35:59] kind of made me you know when you see them all in a row like this you get into this very sort

[01:36:06] of humanist like empathetic absolutely sort of space and it's it's this is a time when we need

[01:36:11] a lot of that we need so much it's a bit of a grim time yeah in the world i just watched like three

[01:36:17] hours of donald trump on my tv last night i feel like yeah can i say something i don't like that guy

[01:36:24] i'm glad you said it yeah i don't like him either but here's here i i don't know if i'm gonna get

[01:36:29] controversial when i say this mm-hmm not only don't i like i don't want him to be president in the

[01:36:33] united states i agree with you uh watch us lose a bunch of listeners what if it turned out that all

[01:36:40] all of our listener base was like just big trump heads um i am i'm just looking at our pockets

[01:36:46] reviews for the first time in a while have you seen me yeah a couple really weird ones um i

[01:36:51] thank the wachowskis for helping my worldview i love them i want them to go get to make more

[01:36:57] movies again i hope we're lucky enough you know with a week's distance i definitely

[01:37:01] appreciate sense eight a little more for what it is but like i want to see them making tight

[01:37:06] you know fucking motion pictures traffic and yeah and i hope they do again and when they do we'll be

[01:37:10] there oh we'll be there open and day yeah all right so what do you want to read and i promise you know

[01:37:15] if there's another wachowski we're doing a one-off to always know any filmmaker we've covered if they

[01:37:20] have a new film coming out we're gonna go back to the well here the filmmakers will do george

[01:37:24] lucas george porgy anything in the star wars series mm-hmm m night shaman and now the wachowskis

[01:37:31] all added to the roster all added to the shelf mm-hmm i'd like if there's a sequel to the judge

[01:37:37] oh yeah judge two yeah well i mean there's a real cliffhanger at the end of the film you wonder if

[01:37:41] he's gonna become a judge um i would like to do a little merchandise spotlight go ahead because

[01:37:49] there is one piece of merchandise that is showcased specifically in what is it the samsung sph

[01:37:57] n2 70 what's that the matrix phone that you mean that weird phone that she drops in final flight of

[01:38:02] the s iris yes which they made as a real phone can you give me the spell it out for me sph

[01:38:10] n2 70 made to resemble the phone used in the matrix reloaded also the final flight of the

[01:38:15] s iris yeah now by the way guys this is not the actually cool phone that's just a normal sort

[01:38:21] of like slide phone that neo uses in the first matrix this is the like really bonkers sci-fi phone

[01:38:27] that they all use in the sequels that are is cool in its own way uh and i quote the design

[01:38:32] career of the matrix where closer to samsung develop a phone whose features and release date

[01:38:36] would coincide with the movie oh nice that they made the release date coincide with the

[01:38:40] movie now here's the here's where i get tripped up ready yeah uh the sph n2 70 was not intended

[01:38:47] as a mainstream phone for everyday use okay when have you ever heard anyone use the term

[01:38:53] mainstream phone i don't know you know that weird indy cell phone you have i don't know mainstream

[01:38:58] instead it was marketed solely to fans of the series as a piece of rare high quality merchandise

[01:39:03] maybe it was super expensive maybe that's what that means uh perhaps almost a remarkable feature

[01:39:07] it's a spring loaded earpiece which snaps up to reveal the screen so it's like the snap is

[01:39:14] the screen covering is the ear i don't know whatever right um and then it says uh where's the thing here

[01:39:22] there's a section relation to the matrix the green code on a black background made famous by the

[01:39:28] matrix is found in many menus of the phone by default right so it's got matrix menus which

[01:39:31] probably just hard to read i'm probably really hard to read phones mostly made of black plastic

[01:39:36] and the button shows stylized green digits the manual box and collectors didn't also feature

[01:39:41] the matrix code um and oh and here's a here's a good detail uh the charger is the only item in

[01:39:47] the package with no reference to the matrix phone um thank you for all that griffin when it boots up

[01:39:55] the matrix is displayed on the screen yes the phone's turned off the message goodbye as shown

[01:39:59] a man of reminiscent of neos first encounter with the matrix yeah and it comes with three

[01:40:05] screensaver themes all right enough enough enough i'm turning your phone off this can't

[01:40:11] be the end of the episode this is so boring but but can i just say so it was uh a special addition

[01:40:17] it cost five hundred dollars yeah that's why there were uh 10 000 produced and you could only use it

[01:40:24] on sprint pc s here's my question if you're gonna make a big point of the fact that this phone

[01:40:29] is like oh it's meant for collectors it's not a mainstream phone it's not for everyday use

[01:40:33] then why make it a fucking functional phone i don't know make up make a high quality replica

[01:40:39] or make something i can use i don't know who's weirdo this is a display phone join i make it a

[01:40:44] prop i got nothing to say to you about this i don't care i'm merchant i spotlight i'm glad we don't do

[01:40:49] as many merchandise spotlights i'll say that much i'm also just dying in here um i'm putting my

[01:40:55] stuff away right then yeah what's up would you happen to have any entries for the burger report

[01:41:07] yeah i made burgers last night but there were no celebrities i've eaten four in the last week and

[01:41:12] i have seen zero famous worried about you there's too many burgers i'm not doing well yeah okay a burger

[01:41:19] reports um have i uh well there's one that i don't think i'm all right hold on give me a second here

[01:41:29] you're wondering whether you're allowed to share there's one yeah i don't think i should um hot

[01:41:35] report being redacted wow even share oh my god um someday but uh okay for now let's see let's see

[01:41:46] i want to get a good juicy burger report okay here we go this is like a burger this is cool this

[01:41:52] is a good one uh so it was the rock and roll hall of fame ceremony it was in new york okay um

[01:42:00] um and a bunch of people came uh afterwards the second floor so they shut it down and i was uh working

[01:42:07] in the bar but i had an opportunity to talk to tom weights a little bit and he was he was cool i was

[01:42:15] that very very like i you kind of just get desensitized because you're around so many

[01:42:20] of these like really huge people but yeah Ben knows from famous i mean at this point you can't

[01:42:25] you know blow Ben's mind right but tom waits really like i was like very nervous around him

[01:42:32] but uh yeah i sold him on a burger and he was like in his you know gravelly voice like it was

[01:42:38] pretty good i'll have that burger burger is good i'm like eating this burger so uh that was cool

[01:42:45] um and then i just talked to him at length about how i'm obsessed with rain dogs and swordfish

[01:42:51] trombones which are like two of like i think his best albums i didn't hear such a weights fan

[01:42:56] love weights i don't really like the 70s stuff the kind of jazzy troubadour stuff but i like all the

[01:43:01] like weird experimental avant garde 80s 90s stuff that makes sense that fits him with the venue

[01:43:06] that does sound like a band um now let me ask you you said you had to sell him on the

[01:43:10] burger was it a hard sell was he showing resistance and if so how did you win him over

[01:43:15] well i went ahead and i talked to him about uh the burger being a mix uh that we do in house

[01:43:22] obviously but a mix of it's got uh you know different cuts it's got some fat to it and it's like

[01:43:29] just the superior burger as well as it comes with this like really nice kind of like very strong

[01:43:37] kind of bitey kind of uh blue cheese i forget the brand that we used or the variety that we used

[01:43:44] and then it's just got some really good uh shoestring fries tossed with olive oil rosemary

[01:43:49] this podcast is so off the rail do you not want to get that burger right now no let's go get it i mean

[01:43:56] sounds amazing how long has it been since you worked there been shit uh a long time and even

[01:44:02] still like the cells that good i can't even imagine how weights was hearing it you know

[01:44:06] i mean weights must have gotten it hard oh boy um well that's great of course that brings us

[01:44:11] to the orange twist there's no orange twist file there's not what are you talking about

[01:44:18] there's no orange twist okay fine tune in next week for the orange twist file uh we'll do a big

[01:44:25] merchandise spotlight for fledge hopefully we'll have some cool guests coming up we'll do some

[01:44:31] fledge fan fiction we'll read some reviews next week i think because we do have some good

[01:44:34] reviews that we should read they're really weird they're really weird we need to give

[01:44:37] them their time in their space uh we love the witch house keys please come back to movies

[01:44:41] we miss them they'll come back they're the greatest and it's been so much fun talking about them

[01:44:46] and i'm excited to talk about other people i'll say this it's been a privilege to talk about

[01:44:50] them and to watch their films it always is yes yes um all right thank you for listening

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[01:45:02] we should call our camera chroma any series please throw them out yep uh into the garbage

[01:45:08] yep throw them into your place and flush uh and uh as always yeah oh well nice to meet you i'm uh

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