The Buried Secret of M. Night Shyamalan

[00:00:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David

[00:00:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't know what to say or to expect

[00:00:13] [SPEAKER_01]: All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Hold on one second, I'm just digging this up.

[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, hold on one second guys.

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I got my shovel, I'm just trying to pack this dirt on pack this dirt.

[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_02]: What is this?

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the... hold on one second.

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me blow the dust off this.

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_04]: The Buried Secret of Podcasting!

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Interesting, I was going to go with the Buried Podcast but okay.

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_04]: The Buried Podcast of Griffin and David of M. Night Shyamalan.

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Of Griffin and David, there we go.

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_02]: The Buried Podcast of Griffin and David.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey folks here's a twist for you.

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm Griffin.

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm David.

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_02]: This is Blank Check.

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a podcast about directors.

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and this is the final bonus episode of our most recent series.

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_02]: We got to say goodbye to a dear old friend.

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_02]: His name is Minaj Shyamalan.

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_02]: He wears a necklace.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It's got a Sanskrit poem, a prayer.

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It protects him from evil things.

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_02]: He's never opened it but he goes by a different name.

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_02]: He does, yeah.

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_02]: He's sort of the producer band of film directors.

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You guessed who he is by the fact that his name is Minaj Shyamalan.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Of course we are talking about James Cameron.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: M. Night Shyamalan is the name...

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_02]: We are talking about Jane Campion.

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_02]: No, yeah Minaj Shyamalan, yes.

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Pot Night Shyamacast is the game that we're playing.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, but it's the end of the game.

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_04]: It's the final round.

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Bottom of the ninth.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Our last episode, the visit episode, we didn't get enough time to like, you know,

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of look back, you know?

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and we recorded that like three weeks ago.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah we did.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It was back to back episodes.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_02]: When we finished that we were like, I'm burnt.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, because we had watched a lot of top movies in a row.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_02]: We were really sick of M. Night.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_02]: We were really sick of M. Night.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_02]: But luckily we were ahead of schedule,

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_02]: which was really lucky because then we hadn't had any...

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you sucked from weeks.

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I sucked.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been an asshole for the career for the last couple of years.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you've had a career.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: It's been garbage.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I fucking hate it.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It's awful.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: No worries.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna retire.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh you should.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, we're back in the studio now.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_02]: We had some time to breathe, let it air out.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And we just, we need final thoughts on this guy.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_02]: We did.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And so we're hanging those final thoughts around a very loose framework.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Around one of the most dog shit pieces of entertainment I've ever had to experience.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I think even calling it entertainment is generous.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, one of the worst assemblies of like shots and sound and pictures.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how you, you can call it a film exactly.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I try not to use this term non-ironically because it makes my skin crawl.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: We're not just a bad movies podcast.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_04]: We do good movies.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Yep.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_04]: We're gonna do some good movies.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_04]: We're doing two back-to-back bad movies this weekend.

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_04]: But I mean we're recording by the way.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But our next mini series...

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: It's gonna be a lot of movies we like.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay?

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_02]: We defend the ones that people don't like.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_02]: We might each pick one film we don't like, but that's probably at most.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you like all of them?

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I like them all.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I maybe dislike one, but...

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Which one?

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: We gotta re-watch.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: We gotta see.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of them I haven't seen in a while.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying there might be one I dislike.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know yet!

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_04]: It's the Matrix, isn't it?

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_04]: That would be funny if that was the one you picked.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Matrix is so stupid.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Fuck the Matrix!

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, we're talking about M.H. Shaman and we are talking about...

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to use this term non-ironically.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_02]: What's the term?

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_02]: This is just a piece of content.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what I'm saying?

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: To call it entertainment implies that it can entertain.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_02]: This is content.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It exists.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_04]: It exists at eight up three hours of airtime in 2004 on the sci-fi channel.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_04]: It's currently eating up bandwidth on YouTube.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Like probably just a very small amount of bandwidth.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Spread over 13 parts on YouTube if you want to experience it.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I bought the DVD and I can tell you...

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's full of data.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_04]: You maniac! You bought the DVD?

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Did you watch it on DVD?

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, interesting. I watched it on YouTube.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_04]: What we're talking about...

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_04]: DVD picture quality was great by the way.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_04]: ...is the second film by Oscar-nominated documentary filmmaker Nathaniel Kahn.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_04]: His second film.

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_02]: His first film was called My Architect.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty good.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I liked it.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Good movie.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I haven't seen it in 13 years or whatever.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But it was about his father...

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_04]: His father was a personal journey through the life of his dad.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: His father died when he was young.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_02]: He never had much of a relationship with him.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's him trying to come to understand now as an adult, his father, through his work.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So he travels around to see the things his father constructed.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, right. It's called My Architect.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_04]: We're not discussing that film.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely not discussing it.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_02]: We're not going to discuss it.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It lost to...

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. Can you guess?

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Was that the Bowling Cup for Columbine year maybe?

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_02]: 2003?

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_02]: That sounds possible.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Or would the Bowling Cup come out in 2002 or 2003?

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_04]: We were at war.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Remember because he gave the...

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_04]: No, it was The Fog of War.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_04]: One of the greatest documentaries ever made.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_04]: He's a phenomenal film.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_04]: One best documentary, but he was nominated.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And after that...

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_04]: He made...

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_04]: He made a movie for the Sci-Fi channel.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Not Sifi as it is now known.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_04]: The Sci-Fi Channel.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Sci-Fi.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Remember when fucking Sci-Fi Channel rocked

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_04]: and like their logo was like the planet Saturn?

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_04]: It was great.

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: S-C-I-F-I.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a hyphen in there.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_04]: C-H-A-N-N-E-L.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_04]: The film is the buried secret of M. Night Shyamalan.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Now do you know this, David, that after this...

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: piece of content...

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Nathaniel Kahn made a documentary short.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: He did.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_02]: That was...

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Two hands.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_02]: The Leon Fleischer story.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_02]: He's made...

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_02]: He's coming out for two Academy Awards.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But in Oscar sandwich, he got two Oscar nominated projects

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_02]: on either side of this piece of work.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Good for him.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So backstory.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: The year is 2003.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: M. Night Shyamalan is deep.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_02]: He's shooting my favorite movie of his.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Deep in production on The Village.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Correct.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_02]: He is starting to really get into...

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_04]: He's in Chester County, Pennsylvania.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Shooting this thing.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_04]: They cleared out some farmland.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's getting really into building this mythology.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_04]: We could have done a bit where we just pretended that this was a real documentary,

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_04]: but that probably wouldn't have been funny, right?

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I was just thinking about it.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Doesn't matter. Go ahead.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_04]: He's deep in The Village.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I just also thought it would have been funny if we recorded our episode of The Village

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_02]: and pretended that it was 1872.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Throughout the whole episode.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_04]: What is this device in front of me, brother?

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: No, okay.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember how they're talking that movie.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_02]: He's shooting The Village.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: He's shooting The Village and he gets into this idea.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So he goes to Sci-Fi Channel and he's like,

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_02]: what if we made a documentary?

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you think he went straight to the Sci-Fi Channel?

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Or do you think he went to NBC and NBC was like,

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_04]: get the fuck out of here?

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I think first he went to the U.S. Government Department of Arts and Letters.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_04]: He went to Errol Morris.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_02]: He took them all down.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_02]: He went to every major documentary.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I will say though, Nathan O'Combs is a Philly boy.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think he might have been high up the list.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Nathan O'Combs is from Philadelphia.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_02]: He'd done some good work and he was a Philly boy.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_04]: So Shaman's making The Village.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_04]: He goes to the Sci-Fi Channel and he says,

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_04]: you're going to make a documentary about making The Village.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Right?

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But let's do a Blair Witch style.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's pretend that I don't want you to make this documentary.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's fake it up.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of a mix of the Blair Witch project and I don't like,

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, like that documentary about Metallica.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Some kind of monster.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Some kind of monster.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like a found footage horror movie and also about a really annoying like artist.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Who is like a total pain in the ass.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But the levels of narcissism and self-indulgence here are...

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_02]: This is why we have to discuss it.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I want you to make a documentary about people who are so eager to find out everything about me,

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_02]: but I'm going to pretend like I didn't want you to make this

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_02]: and publicly play that charade.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's first discuss, I want to just briefly before we get to the content.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh-huh.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_04]: This was pitched, yes.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And advertises like, oh it's the movie he doesn't want you to see.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_04]: It's about M. Night Shyamalan's buried secrets.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_04]: All of the secrets.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And they convinced the Associated Press,

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_04]: which is a national journalistic organization

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_04]: that they pitched them this and the AP bit

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_04]: and they said, oh Shyamalan was furious when they made this movie

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_04]: and he like walked out of filming or whatever.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And then before this thing even aired on the SciFi channel,

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_04]: SciFi channel and NBC I think who owned them at the time

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_04]: had to publicly apologize for fooling the press.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_04]: And so the secret was blown before this thing even aired.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they...

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Because it was getting written up in the papers and stuff

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_02]: and then I remember in page six

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_02]: them having an item that was like spoken to people close to production

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_02]: and I'm hearing that M. Night was very involved with the film

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_02]: the entire time it was a producer on it this and that.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Like someone else broke the story and NBC Universal had to be like

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_02]: cards on the table.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just funny that they didn't even get to air once

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_04]: and do its dumb little joke before NBC was like,

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_04]: we're really sorry we made this thing.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Which also means that by the time it aired

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_02]: absolutely no one wanted to watch it.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Did anyone watch it?

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I think it got abysmal ratings

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_02]: but before we get into it there's something I have to say.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Very, very happy to have sitting with us at the table again

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_02]: in the studio at the table.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: He's been switching back and forth.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_02]: He's here, he's there in a box with a fox.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_02]: What's his name?

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_02]: His name is Bruce Brown.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Great.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Hey guys.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh he's happy to be in the room with you.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: AK Perdue or Ben, AK The Bendus or AK The Poet Laureate

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_02]: AK The Haas, AK Mr. Positive, AK Hello Fennel,

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_02]: AK Birthday, Banny, AK The Tiebreaker,

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_02]: the Peeper, AK Mr. Positive.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_02]: He's not Professor Crispy.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_04]: You tried to give him a new one in the last episode.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: The Fuckmaster?

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I've actually had a few people tell me they like the Fuckmaster.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Really?

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_02]: He's the Fuckmaster.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Then it's in there.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Now we coined a name, a sort of ceremonial name

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_02]: when we were shedding our Star Wars wings, right?

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Producer Ben Kenobi.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And then as The Force Awakens came out

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_02]: that was really sort of...

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Kylo Ben.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel that we need to, you know, add a name

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_02]: for each miniseries we do.

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh you want to give him a Shyamalan name?

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Ben Knight Shyamalan.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So obvious really.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't we not think of that?

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So Ben, you've graduated.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Ben you're here, Ben Knight.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_02]: You've graduated from the Pod Night Shyamakast miniseries

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_02]: and you walk out of it with another title

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_02]: on your chest.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Ben Knight Shyamalan.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_02]: How are you doing today?

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm doing fucking fantastic.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_05]: We're done with this shit.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Yep.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_05]: No more Shyamalan.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_05]: This shit.

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_04]: The thing with Shyamalan,

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I think we talked about it in the episode.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like you're like, oh fun movies,

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_04]: interesting, great.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And then you just hit a wall and it's just garbage.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Like there's no preparation

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_04]: and then you don't pull out of it.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_04]: The visit I guess is good.

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_04]: But you know like...

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah it's...

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_04]: It's weeks of nonsense.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a bummer.

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_02]: When we had like a couple years in between each of those movies

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_02]: and you were like, I don't know,

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe he's gonna pull it out?

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But watching them and knowing like,

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_02]: five days I have to watch that.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like knowing what's coming up next.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_02]: We got a very nice write-up from Pace Magazine.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you Pace Magazine.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why they decided to do that

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_02]: but they would...

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So a writer I'd never heard of.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I like saw the piece and I was like,

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_02]: oh it must be someone who like,

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_02]: we know who like follows us on Twitter

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_02]: who wrote it up.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Someone I'd never heard of before.

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm pretty excited now

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_02]: but thank you for writing this up.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But they said like,

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: they were reviewing our episode on the visit.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And they were saying it was nice

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_02]: and kind of emotional to hear the uplift

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_02]: in our voice that we were like ending

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_02]: on a note of promise

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_02]: that we felt like we were being saved from this thing.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_04]: So then we decided to do an episode

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_04]: about the buried secret of Edmine Shyamalan.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_04]: We're just burying ourselves back under.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_04]: He didn't make it.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_04]: He didn't make it.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_04]: He didn't direct it.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_04]: He did, was involved, clearly.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_05]: We didn't necessarily feed everyone lines

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_05]: when talking about him.

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I swear to God.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_02]: We got a lot of like...

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_02]: We've got a lot of questions.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Like people being like,

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_02]: aren't you gonna cover devil?

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Didn't he direct that?

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_02]: No, he produced that.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_02]: He produced it and I believe he wrote the story.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_02]: There was a shingle he was gonna start up

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_02]: called The Night Chronicles

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_02]: and Universal was gonna release

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_02]: low budget films that were his ideas

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_02]: and that was the only one that happened.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Wayward Pines,

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe he only directed the pilot.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Correct.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean there's some things like this

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_02]: where people ask him,

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_02]: oh are you gonna cover Stuart Little?

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_02]: No, he's one of two credit screenwriters.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he enjoyed writing Stuart Little

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: and that's the end of that.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_02]: He was a ghost writer.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_02]: No pun intended.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_02]: On She's All That, are we gonna cover that?

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_02]: No, we're not gonna cover it.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_02]: We could be here all day.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're not...

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But buried secret.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_02]: We wanted to do one final thing.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Just to think about him.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is, you know,

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I think this film,

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_02]: he did not direct it but it was his brainchild.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_02]: He willed into existence.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The only reason it was made

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: was because he convinced other people

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_02]: it was worth making.

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And it is...

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And it was coming like,

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_04]: it was coming out of Blair Witchy.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_04]: That was still hot.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_04]: The sort of mockumentary horror movie.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I also think doing this right after the visit

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_02]: is fascinating because the visit

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_02]: is also a fake documentary.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_02]: True.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Albeit infinitely more successful.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Most found footage movies are not fake documentaries.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a slightly different genre.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Whereas the visit is a fake documentary.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_04]: It's been cut together.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not a found footage film.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Same thing with Blair Witch, you know...

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And same thing with this.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a film that is ostensibly...

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a horror movie.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_02]: This film.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_04]: It is a nothing movie.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, here's the other thing we need to talk about

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_02]: before we get into the film.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_02]: You're in it.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not in this movie.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So I had not seen it before tonight

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_02]: and then this morning I watched it.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_04]: You are...

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_04]: According to IMDb, you are 13th in appearance.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: 13th?

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: As a teenage fan.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Might be a sign.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: We need to discuss all of this, okay?

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I said...

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so excited.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I said somewhat erroneously in the...

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Our last airbender episode was...

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you said that you're sort of biking around in the background basically.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Of a scene.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I also said that

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: last airbender was the first movie I auditioned for.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is obviously not true because this was filmed before that, right?

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So I started doing stand-up when I was 10 years old

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_02]: because I'm a broken human being.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And I did that for a couple years

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_02]: and I got some attention.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You were a little...

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_02]: The stand-up tyke.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I was a little tyke.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: You were like Lights, Camera, Jackson, but with stand-up.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like Lights, Camera, Jackson.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I only did political humor.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So it was like a weird...

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Are you serious?

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Have we ever talked about this?

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_02]: My dad really liked politics and the only way I could make my dad laugh was if I made jokes

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_02]: about politicians.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So I like got really good at making jokes about politicians around the house.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't talking about like fucking policy.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I understand.

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, Catherine Harris wears too much makeup or like, you know...

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I know, I get you.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, whatever the lace scandal was.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I was really good on political scandals, right?

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So then when I started doing stand-up I was like,

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna do stuff that makes my dad laugh.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And then people were like, what the fuck is this robot child doing here?

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_04]: So you really were Lights, Camera, Jackson.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I was.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like a four-foot negative 12 inches tall and my T-shirt was down to my knees

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: because no clothes fit me and I wear a backwards hat all the time

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: and I had like a helium voice.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And I did like all political humor and it got some attention, right?

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And so you're saying you got cast off of this?

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm saying I started auditioning.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_04]: M Night was in the audience.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_04]: You didn't open Mike and Philly.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_04]: What's the Philly venue?

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Funny bomb.

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the funny...

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, helium.

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Fuck you nailed it.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, good job, Ben.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I... my parents very much didn't want me to become an actor at all.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they were smart.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And especially didn't want me to be like a stage kid

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_02]: and I was like at the age of four like,

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't wanna be in movies.

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And they were like absolutely not.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely not.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: By starting the stand-up thing and then I got attention from that

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and my mother was...

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_04]: What did your parents want you to do?

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I just think...

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_02]: They weren't guiding you towards like being a lawyer.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_02]: No, there never seemed to be any guidance.

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_02]: They... I think they actually... writer maybe?

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But outside of the entertainment industry maybe?

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, sure.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, maybe like a playwright would have been their ideal.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just looking at Lights, Cameron Jackson's,

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Twitter feed right now.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I gotta be honest.

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Any good stuff?

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, he brought the boss to a screening of the boss.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_04]: By the way, the boss is his mother.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, Jesus Christ.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_04]: He wished Patty Arquette a happy birthday.

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Did he call her Patty or are we calling her Patty?

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_04]: She is at Patty Arquette on Twitter.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's cool.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_04]: And he said have a medium-sized celebration,

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_04]: which I believe is a reference to her canceled TV show, Medium.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Lights, Cameron Jackson has blocked me on Twitter.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I forgot about it.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And I hate it because I like looking at his tweets

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_02]: and I can only see them now when other people retweet them.

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I need to like...

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, he went to visit Suni Purchase

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_04]: because it's time to start seriously thinking about college.

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Then he posted a picture of himself by a clock.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Have we talked about trying to get him as a guest on this show?

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't want to do that.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to do that?

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about it.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd love to do it.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know.

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_02]: My mother was an actress.

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_02]: She retired when I was born.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So she really wanted to be in the film industry

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_02]: and sort of couldn't.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Pull it off.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I understand.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And my father ended up working in the film industry by accident

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_02]: and hated it.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And now as a teacher and like teaches students how to not

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_02]: make all the mistakes he made in his life.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And he finds that cathartic.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But I had two parents, like one who wanted to be in the

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_02]: industry and was miserable because she couldn't hit what

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_02]: she wanted to hit.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And one who didn't want to be in it and was miserable

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_02]: because he hated being in it.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And so both of my parents were like,

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_02]: don't do this.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_02]: But you did it.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I did it, of course, because they told me not to do it.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the same reason I don't speak French.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It's because my mom wanted me to speak French.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_02]: When I was doing stand up, started like putting me up for

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_02]: audition.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I was very sporadically throughout my adolescence

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_02]: auditioning for stuff and not getting jobs.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I didn't get you.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But I was very sporadically doing that.

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And this, the Barry Tigger and I, Sean Lomb,

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: was the one job I ever got anyway.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And then when I went off to college,

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I sort of had this realization that I wanted to be acting.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And I dropped out and I started...

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, and you made Bore the Guns.

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Doing it seriously.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I made Bore the Guns and the rest is history.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, you were in four episodes of Gravity?

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_02]: How was that?

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I shot four episodes worth of scenes in an hour and a half.

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, Mike Binder.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Not Mike Binder.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the other one.

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's the other guy.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_04]: It's the other guy I can't stand who seems to make

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_04]: an incredible amount of things.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not Mike Binder.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_04]: You're right.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_04]: But the fuck is his name?

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Wait a minute.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_02]: When I said the other one, Eric Schaefer.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Eric Schaefer, yes.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a nice walk down memory lane.

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Me and Pilot were just talking about Gravity on...

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Pass guest, Pilot Vero.

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_04]: About how it was arguably the worst television show ever created.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_04]: No offense.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_02]: No, many thoughts though.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Pilot cover Gravity or review Gravity for AV Club?

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe so.

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I distinctly remember the AV Club review,

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_02]: which the opening sentence was,

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Gravity easily the worst television series of the year.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_04]: It was so bad.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I played a gay computer hacker who joked about...

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Kristen Ritter.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And Stacey's mom was on it.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_02]: What's her name?

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Pretty hard to find Stacey's mom from this Mountain of Wainsaw.

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Rachel Hunter is not her name yet.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_04]: It's hard to find the AV Club's Gravity review

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_04]: because there's also reviews of the great cartoon series

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Gravity Falls.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I'm not going to find it.

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_02]: The last Airpender was like the first thing

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I auditioned for when I was like,

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to be an actor now.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_05]: You're okay to talk about this though, right?

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_05]: We're not like...

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_05]: You're okay with it?

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Because if you have a problem with this,

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_05]: we could stop right now.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I just want to make sure you're good.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Ben is functioning as my PR person for this episode.

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Refin, if you don't want to talk about this...

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm comfortable talking about it.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Will you just shoe that crow out of the studio?

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I will.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_02]: You guys shouldn't watch this

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_04]: because it's very long and very bad.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_04]: But I will say if you do watch it,

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_04]: you will understand the handful of references

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_04]: we make to it in this episode.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so here's the end of my

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_02]: involvement and connection to this thing.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_02]: You're cast in this thing as a teenage fan.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_02]: The casting director, Doug Abel,

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_02]: who I referenced in previous episodes,

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_02]: was one of the guys who would call me

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_02]: into audition for stuff.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was a big M Night Shyamalan fan

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_02]: and they called me into audition for this stuff

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_02]: and they were like, it's a top secret project.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_02]: It's an M Night Shyamalan thing.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_02]: We need improvisers.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Did you sign a non-disclosure agreement?

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is the first time I've ever talked about this.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Breach and contract actually?

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, probably.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I said everyone talked about it.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Just say allegedly.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Allegedly. Allegedly.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Boom!

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Allegedly I auditioned for this, right?

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, let's wrap this story up.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_04]: They were like, no, you're still auditioning for it.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Fucking hell.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_02]: No, in the audition they just said like,

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_02]: okay, so just talk to me about it.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you like about M Night Shyamalan's movies?

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And just sort of imply that you think

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_02]: that there's some bigger phenomenon going on.

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But don't say what it is.

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was him interviewing me.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the film phenomena.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I got the part.

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I was really excited.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Got to miss school for a day.

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is cool.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Freshman year at high school, right?

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Got two scenes.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So if you've watched this film,

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I shot two scenes.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I went home.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I was back at school the next day.

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I took the train in and out of Philly.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_02]: The iconic Philly train station from Unbreakable.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I was waiting there, right?

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought I had been completely cut out of the film.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And you were right.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I thought the role had been cut out.

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I understand you.

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Then the reviews started coming out.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And they all said Griffin Newman ruins the film.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So I was like, I guess they recast it.

[00:22:17] Right.

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But I might be in there like...

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_02]: In there somewhere.

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_02]: In a group thing.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_02]: You know?

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You didn't worry enough to actually watch the fucking film.

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I never wanted to watch it.

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_02]: But I thought I was...

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So here's where my role would have been.

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a scene in the film.

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty early on.

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Should we start from the beginning of the movie?

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so the movie is about Nathaniel Kahn

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_04]: being contracted to make a run-of-the-mill documentary.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Although we do begin, I suppose, in media's res.

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we have to say.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Where he's like, he's been checked out.

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a panning shot of an empty hotel room, right?

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_02]: That's perfectly made.

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I won't dignify this.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't see any people on screen.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like angrily on the phone.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And you hear his voice and he's like,

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_02]: we did not...

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_02]: My party has not checked out.

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_02]: What is happening here?

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_02]: My computer's gone?

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_02]: As if it's like a stunning occurrence.

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway.

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Usually when things start in media res,

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_02]: the idea is you go,

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_02]: how did you get to this point?

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_02]: How could this have happened?

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you have to back up to show what happened.

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_04]: So he's making a movie about M. Night Shyamal

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_04]: and making The Village.

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_04]: He's been contracted to make like a making-off, essentially.

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_04]: At one point, Adrian Brody is like,

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_04]: well, this was an EPK,

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_04]: which is an electronic press kit for you guys,

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_04]: which is like a DVD extras.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's like the production itself

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_02]: is filming that stuff.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Then you're allowed to like,

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_04]: you can be candid and say like,

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_04]: oh, it's crazy, I'm Adrian Brody

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_04]: and it's crazy when I stab Joaquin Phoenix.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So I guess the reality of this film

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_02]: is that the sci-fi channel came to him,

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_02]: said M. Night Shyamalan's making a new movie.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_02]: We want to independently make a film

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_02]: behind the scenes of his film.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to try to get you clearance

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_02]: as if you are a press person,

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_02]: produce an hour and a half.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Two hours.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm saying maybe at the time

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_02]: they thought it was going to happen.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, within the reality of this fucking movie.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Within the reality of this fucking fictional movie.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right, but I think that's the idea.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, whatever, whatever.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But that is never happening in the history of the world.

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_02]: There's an unauthorized feature-length documentary.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_02]: No, but it is authorized.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_04]: They're saying authorized, non-authorized.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't know.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't...

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_04]: You don't have to answer that question,

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Griff, if you don't want to.

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I appreciate that back thing.

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_04]: He goes to the set of The Village.

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_04]: It's the real set.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, things happening.

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, night's like really intense

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and like don't get in his eye line when he's directing

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_04]: and he doesn't want to interview on camera right now,

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_04]: but you can go meet him.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And he goes to meet him

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_04]: and like there's weird electronic interference.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And it says like it's a super title

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_04]: like audio cut out,

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_04]: audio malfunction.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Audio malfunction is the first time this happens

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_04]: several times, you know.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And you just hear, I'm like go like

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_04]: kkkk kkkk kkkk.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a lot kkkk kkkk.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's like the movie is trying to present him

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_04]: as this like reclusive,

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah, crazy person.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And so they go to his house,

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_04]: which is an objectively creepy thing to do

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_04]: so early in the movie.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_04]: To go outside his gated mansion

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_04]: in the pencil, the Philadelphia suburbs.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Standing outside this house,

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_04]: teenagers wearing hoodies,

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_04]: and Nathaniel Conn is like,

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_04]: oh well you know they're probably just hanging out

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_04]: they like wanted autograph for.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_04]: When has that ever happened?

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_04]: When has that ever happened?

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Who's the most famous director

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_02]: that's never happened once in their entire life?

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the only people who will wait outside a gate

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_02]: like that are people who's wires

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_02]: are so crossed that they believe

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_02]: like Leo's gonna see me and fall in love with me.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, of course.

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean it's supposed to believe

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_02]: that there are a bunch of teenagers

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_04]: because they love M. Night Shyamalan

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_04]: and the mysterious,

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_04]: supernatural origins of his directing powers.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_04]: But once again

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_02]: That is literally what they say.

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to restate

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_04]: the implications that they are there frequently.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, all the time

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_04]: and they're just like you don't know

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_04]: like as if it is commonly known

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_04]: that M. Night Shyamalan can commune

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_04]: with the spirit world.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Right?

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, this is a scene you were supposed to be in.

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_02]: In touch with another dimension.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So I was supposed to be one of these kids

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I was riding a bicycle,

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I was quiet,

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I was wearing a hoodie, right?

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sure.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not visible at all in this film.

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_02]: This scene was totally reshot.

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was even like a different location.

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, for sure.

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_04]: What are you saying you weren't actually

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_04]: at M. Night's house?

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, go ahead.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well that's the point.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't really want to be an actor at this point.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I don't know.

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_02]: You want to pay me to miss school?

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll do it.

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I at this point also had stopped doing stand up.

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I had retired at the age of 13.

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the Bush era was getting you down.

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that what it was?

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was just in my angsty teenage phase.

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know what I wanted to do and yeah,

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I just was like occasionally going on audition

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_02]: because I was like, well be cool if I got paid

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_02]: money to miss school.

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that was my thing.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And then a couple years later I was like,

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_02]: oh I really want to be an actor.

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I sort of got the ball.

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but where are the concept?

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the concept changed everything.

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And I had long, long hair.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I looked like a brunette caratop.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I thought if I grew my hair

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and I didn't get a haircut I would look like Lars Urik

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_02]: from Metallica.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I've seen pictures, wow, second Metallica reference.

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I've seen pictures of you on your Facebook page

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_04]: as a younger man.

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I can picture it.

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_04]: It was bad.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So I was riding around a bicycle

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_02]: and then he would be asking these general questions

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_02]: and then he'd sort of notice me, right?

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_02]: That I was the kid who wasn't saying anything.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And point me out and ask me questions.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I was originally the Ouija Board kid.

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you were going to be the Ouija Board kid.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I was going to be the Ouija Board kid.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So the following scene of the film is they go to the house.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_02]: There's this one kid.

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I can't look up who it is.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Some kid.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And I mean like, I just can't get past the premise

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_04]: that these kids somehow know about this.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, everyone.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_04]: So it brings out a Ouija Board.

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And they ask the Ouija Board.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my God.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_04]: The bottle just moves.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_04]: That Snapple bottle is as if possessed.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_04]: What?

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_04]: No, yeah, they ask the Ouija Board

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_04]: if the spirit world has been in contact with someone called...

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like a visual gang.

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Also, you know what else is great?

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I was doing this thing about a thing no one has ever watched

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_04]: or ever will watch.

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I will say my friend Matt Singer who I don't think

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_04]: listens to this podcast but he does it.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_04]: A film spotting us for you?

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, a film spotting us for you.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Great podcast.

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_04]: He works for Screen Crush.

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I always confuse Screen Crush and Screen Rant

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_04]: even though one is good and one is terrible.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Grant worthy.

[00:27:50] Boy.

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_04]: He reviewed this film for IFC.com.

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I've read that piece.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, it's like, yes.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's sort of, you know, retrospective isn't this crazy thing.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_04]: So he's seen it.

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if anyone else in the world has ever seen it.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if anyone else has seen it.

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean once again it was my first acting job

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_02]: and I had not seen it until 12 hours ago.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_04]: They go and they ask the Ouija Board,

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_04]: does anyone in the spirit world commune

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_04]: with like someone called Knight?

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_04]: No reaction.

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_04]: The kid's like, well ask his real name.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And the guy's like, oh yeah, his real name,

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Manage, okay.

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Tries that.

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Boom.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so when I shot the scene...

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, so you shot the Ouija Board scene.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I shot it.

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't know that was...

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, okay, cool.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I shot...

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_04]: So you did a bad job and they recast you?

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I think so.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Did you shoot the chat room shit?

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_04]: So here's the other...

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_04]: So maybe they just wanted to add the chat room stuff

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_04]: because that's so great.

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So how did they shoot the Ouija Board scene?

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so this is...

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Was there a magnet?

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the insight I can give you here, okay?

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_02]: When I shot the scene, we go down to the basement,

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_02]: we were doing the Ouija Board

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_02]: and then we just fucking did a Ouija Board.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe they thought like, let's spice this up a little bit.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that might have been the reason for reshoots.

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_02]: This is already the most boring thing that ever happened.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, because what happens here is they have like a fucking magnet under the table.

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and it genuinely moves of its own volition.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Like their hands are up over their heads and the thing moves like...

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_05]: And then after didn't you guys shoot like something where you did light as a feather

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_05]: stuff as a board?

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Benny!

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_02]: That's killing it today.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_02]: That is kicking ass.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay, so then the kid shows him a website.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, where do you know about this stuff?

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_04]: So I mean, and this is...

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Who doesn't enjoy an early Aughts films

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_04]: complete misunderstanding about the internet works?

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so here's great.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Here's the structure of this website.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_04]: You have to take a quiz about M Nightmares.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_04]: They're very obvious answers.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_04]: It's basically like, is he from Philadelphia?

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, no.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Like things like that.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_04]: What's his favorite number?

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's like six because of the sixth sense.

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_04]: So Nathaniel Kahn aces this quiz, right?

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he kicks ass.

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_04]: He gets one wrong and the kid helps him on one quiz.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't remember what it is.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so once he gets...

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_04]: He finishes the quiz.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And you're in the M Nightmares, right?

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, sure.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Well that was true to life.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what websites were like in 2003.

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's not main landing page, right?

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_02]: That's first you go straight to the quiz.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And if you ace the quiz, you get a flash intro.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_02]: You can't skip the flash intro, right?

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And the intro is a bunch of...

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_02]: You never could skip a flash intro.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Of course not.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_04]: It was the whole thing.

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And then you take another quiz and find out which Dave Matty's fans saw you are.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to...

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh boy.

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The flash intro is a bunch of still images of M Night Shyamalan that are just sort of like

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_02]: sliding over each other.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the website then is just a chat room.

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there may be other verticals in this website but we don't see them.

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_04]: We just see a site called Chat.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Only ever two people in the chat room.

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_04]: One is the director Nathaniel Kahn.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I forgot his name.

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And the other is someone with a name and then a number corresponding to how deep their

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_04]: knowledge of M Night goes.

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_04]: So...

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_04]: One to five.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Nathaniel Kahn gets...

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Guys, this is the movie.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_04]: It was three hours long.

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_04]: It aired on the Sci-Fi channel.

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Three hours with ads.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_04]: It's two hours and ten minutes without ads.

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And I had to watch this last night.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I want to investigate the logic of this chat room thing for like 45 minutes here,

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_04]: okay?

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_04]: It's bonkers.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Does it change your name automatically?

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you take a better quiz?

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like he passes that quiz, he gets a one, right?

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so do you get a different quiz every time?

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I thought it was like 10,000 hours kind of thing.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Like the more time you log in...

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's Malcolm Gladwell thing.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_02]: That's perfectly fair.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Malcolm Gladwell was the mod in the chat.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_02]: They made that clear.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they made that very clear.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_02]: He was the mod.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Can I just identify a moment here I love?

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Nathaniel Kahn goes, what's the deal with all the numbers?

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_02]: As if the idea of people having numbers in their usernames is so foreign that

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_02]: it needs to be called out.

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Like everyone has one single digit number between one and five at the end of

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_02]: their username.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, oh, you don't know?

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And then it's like, yeah, the numbers are relational.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_02]: How deep you go?

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_02]: How much you know about Mnet?

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_02]: The first time he's on this chat room, guys, this movie.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It also sounds like Scientology levels.

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's like the level seven.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I know you guys think we're going to just talk about this movie for so long,

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_04]: but really like there's like three things that happen that are funny and

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_04]: then that's kind of it.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like one idea and then they just kind of spin their wheels for like an hour and a half.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Well the last 60% of the movie is the filmmaker deciding whether or not to release the film.

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and whether or not to like ask Knight one last question.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Like whether or not he should show this footage to anyone.

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so he talks to a five, a level five on this chat room.

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_04]: This guy can sense what he's wearing.

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Where he is.

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_04]: It's intense stuff.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So Conn is going deep, right?

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_02]: He's falling down the rabbit hole.

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_02]: He's back in his hotel room with his crew.

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_04]: This is the one, I mean, what can you say about this scene?

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like cinema, right?

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_04]: You know?

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_04]: You've got like Mernot.

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_04]: You've got Griffith.

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_04]: You've got the studio era, you know?

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_04]: You've got the French New Wave.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_04]: You've got it all and then Javier the pizza delivery guy shows up in this movie and cinema closes the book and starts a new one because he says, oh, and I also know, text stuff.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And the idea, the idea, it is outrageous.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_04]: He has two pizza boxes under his arm.

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_04]: This is obviously a guy they would just like, they handed him two empty boxes and they were like, you're a pizza guy.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's like, can I use my name?

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And like, yeah, sure.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_04]: He's like, great, I'm the pizza guy.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_04]: They're like, oh, but you need to know how to use a chat room.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And action.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And the idea, I guess, is that Javier will be able to figure out how they were able to know what Nessanio Conn was wearing.

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_04]: He then goes on the chat room and asks what someone's wearing and the guy's like, this is not that kind of sight buddy.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's like a sex joke.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they neg him.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, I don't know, there's nothing to say about this scene.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Can I say something else?

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So there are...

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Or this movie.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_02]: There were moments in this film where you are clearly watching interviews with people off the street who don't know that they're an

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_02]: fictional documentary.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think they're just being asked...

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Hold on a second.

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Did you order a pizza, David?

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, hey, who's this?

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_05]: What's up, man?

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_05]: You guys got a pizza?

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can't hear you.

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_02]: You're not on mic.

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_02]: What's going on?

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, are those two pizza boxes under your arm?

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_02]: What are you guys making?

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_02]: A radio show?

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_02]: We're doing a podcast.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_02]: You wouldn't know anything about that, right?

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I don't know anything about podcasts.

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh really?

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought maybe...

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_02]: That's not going with the bit.

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought maybe you do some podcasts on the side.

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh.

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, podcasts.

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_04]: No one gets this.

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_04]: No one saw this stupid movie.

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_04]: So let's just wrap.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just gonna wrap up the main point of this.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to drag it out like this thing does.

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And I want to say, so it's clear that this thing wants to include all three major Shyamalan

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_04]: movies as part of some sort of interconnected mythology behind the director.

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I just want to say this before we get into this.

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_02]: This was the Javier point, right?

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that like Javier...

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_02]: There are points in the film where he's like walking around the streets of Philadelphia

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_02]: and like asking people on the street about Nite Shyamalan.

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, right, they're doing like a Vox Pop.

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, and you sense like, oh right, this is what like a real documentary looks like.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_02]: This is how like real people talk when they're not acting.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Javier comes in and he's like out of like a fucking like Mama's Family episode.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_04]: You know?

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_04]: It's true.

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_04]: He's like, oh yeah, he's good, he makes movies, they're in Philadelphia I guess.

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Like they have nothing to say.

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Like on one hand the performances are not even like really anywhere within the realm of realism.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they're so heightened.

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The fact that they actually thought they would be able to televise this and have

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_02]: people believe that it was a real thing.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Two is the structure of the film, how it's shot, which things are on camera.

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean we talked about this.

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Every room is like lit for cinema.

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_04]: It makes no sense at all.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Wait, wait, the piece of guy's coming.

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_05]: The piece of guy's coming.

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Put the little cameras on.

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And also have you-

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Who's that?

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Camera?

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You guys making a movie?

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Have you ever seen a documentary that is more than half about-

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_02]: About the making of the documentary?

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_02]: No, beyond that, more than half about whether or not anyone will ever see the

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_02]: documentary.

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the filmmakers watching the scenes they just shot and being like,

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, should we show this to people?

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_04]: The documentary should begin with this.

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_04]: M. Night Shyamalan, you've heard of him, director, right?

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_04]: One minute montage of M. Night Shyamalan's work.

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_04]: When he was 10 years old, he fell into a fucking ice pond and was dead for 35

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_04]: minutes and then they revived him.

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And that gave him the ability to commune with the dead.

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Here, we're gonna lay out why this is true.

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, it should have been like-

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_04]: It's gonna be over the course of three hours.

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_04]: You're saying the more interesting version of this, if you were gonna make this

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_04]: wrong-

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_04]: This documentary making a very specific and very inflammatory argument about

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_04]: somebody, like you would probably lead with that and then try to back up your

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_04]: evidence.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So do it as loose change.

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Do it as loose change, man.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Loose change and night.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, that's what we have to do.

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It has to be like a conspiracy theory documentary.

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, exactly.

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And just, yeah, whatever.

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Instead, it's basically Nathaniel Kahn-

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Watching him trying to solve a mystery.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Who has been paid to make a shill-like documentary.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Stumbles very slowly into, after talking to some teenagers and going on a chat room

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_04]: into this mysterious myth about M. Night, which is that he died for 35 minutes

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_04]: when he was 10 years old.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Look at the films, David.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Look at the past films.

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, even his childhood films.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_02]: His childhood films.

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a part of the film where he goes to M. Night's like childhood

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_02]: neighborhood, right?

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, did M. Night use to live here?

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, I'm not gonna talk about that.

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's like everyone's in one.

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a conspiracy, everyone else knows.

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Some people are like, no I can't talk to you about that

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_04]: and they turn pale and they won't talk anymore.

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Other people are like, well let me tell you something about him.

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_04]: He fell into an ice pond for 35 minutes.

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's like we-

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Alright, there's so much to say.

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_02]: There's an old lady who's like, oh I remember M. Night used to make films.

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I have his movies.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like what?

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I have like 20 VHS tapes.

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_02]: What was your relation to him?

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes he made films on my-

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_02]: One time he filmed in my front yard as a location.

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And she watches them and she breaks them down.

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_02]: She's like, look at that, the use of light there.

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_02]: You can see the character starting a new chapter.

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Like there is a point where she says like the light comes in

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_02]: and now everything's changing.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I know.

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And like they're authorized-

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Every interview has authorized or not authorized

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_04]: underneath it in a subtitle.

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Some of the authorized people basically say like,

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I mean he was nice, normal kid,

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_04]: he made movies and then,

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_04]: oh, I guess I shouldn't talk about this.

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_04]: As if they're just realizing that,

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_04]: like even though M. Night apparently authorized them

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_04]: to speak to them.

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't make any sense.

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Here's another thing that happens at least-

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I know you haven't seen this movie

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and I'm sorry I'm nitpicking at it.

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Here's another thing that happens

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_02]: at least three times in the movie.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_02]: People reference how handsome M. Night Shyamalan is.

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, now he's kind of handsome.

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_04]: He's not a bad looking guy.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_04]: He's a decent looking guy.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But they do talk about it a lot.

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So they go to a childhood teacher.

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Childhood teacher, yeah.

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And they go like, I remember him so vividly,

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_02]: he was so smart, he had stunning eyes.

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Like if she like hits on like his eyes

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_02]: we're just so beautiful, right?

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_02]: There's another point where they say

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_02]: he was such a handsome man.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a point where they talk to a fake childhood friend of his

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_02]: and they're like, so what's M. Night to you?

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, what's M. Night to me?

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_02]: When I think of M. Night,

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I think about the guy who always stole my girlfriends.

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like really?

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, nah, I mean just want.

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Just one.

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But they keep on hitting this point

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_02]: that M. Night's like this lady killer.

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And it turns out that was L. McPherson.

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, go ahead.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_04]: They keep talking about how he's a lady killer.

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_02]: They keep on talking about how he's

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_02]: so innately attracted to it, right?

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And how he always had this thing.

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Now they go to the teacher

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_02]: and they're like, you know, he was very smart.

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Stunning eyes, he had a great dick.

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_02]: He was beautiful.

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And his Catholic school, that is accurate.

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know if it's his,

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_02]: but he's at least a nun.

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And she's like,

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_02]: de-socialize with other people.

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, well there was one boy

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_02]: he was very interested in.

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_02]: He used to draw him a lot.

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_02]: His name was Hanover.

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And now it's immediately obvious to everyone

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_04]: but filmmaker Nathaniel Cron

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_04]: that she is talking about an imaginary friend.

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And then she digs up a picture

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_04]: of a boy in period clothing.

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_04]: She has kept a drawing.

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_04]: He goes, she goes, you wanna see it?

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I would keep this drawing.

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a fucked up drawing.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_04]: It's the funniest drawing ever.

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_04]: It's a boy in period clothing.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_04]: He's got like little suspenders.

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Who's, one of his eyes looks like

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_04]: it's been punched repeatedly or something.

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Like it's looking in the wrong direction

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_04]: because it's a corpse.

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_04]: He's got a Marty Feldman eye.

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_04]: But when I straight forward.

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_04]: He's got a Marty Feldman eye.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_04]: That's exactly right.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And the other eye is like drooping.

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And looking in the wrong direction.

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, so basically the theory of this movie

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_04]: is one, the sixth sense.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_04]: M. Knight can see the debt.

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Two, unbreakable.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_04]: He got this power when he drowned.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Like through water.

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And three, signs.

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_04]: He lived at the sign's house when this happened.

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_04]: The sign's one is the toughest one

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_04]: to connect because it's about aliens.

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh I should have seen this scene

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_04]: where Nathaniel Cron just watches

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_04]: the movie's signs.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And says how good it is.

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_04]: He's like this is great.

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_04]: You don't see the alien for like an hour.

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's filmmaking.

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_02]: That's really good filmmaking.

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's like one talks to the debt.

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_04]: That's the real thing that's the sixth sense.

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And the poster of this movie

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_04]: looked like the sixth sense except it was.

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_04]: M. Knight coming out of the thing.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And instead of a six I believe it's

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_04]: an S shape in the background.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Because it's a secret.

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And then unbreakable is just the water thing.

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Unbreakable.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Unbreakable you're gonna, yeah.

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_04]: You got that right?

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Drop it in.

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_04]: You're gonna drop it in?

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Unbreakable.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_04]: It's back on April 13th.

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey now.

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Great show.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I've been watching it season two.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_04]: It's still good.

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_04]: So we fell in the water but for 35 minutes

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_04]: and we talked to a doctor who says that

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_04]: that is possible because hypothermia preserves

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_04]: the body of the book.

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_04]: But he was dead.

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And then signs, yeah, it was the signs out.

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's one point where he's like

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_02]: reviewing all the footage from all the films

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_02]: and trying to connect the dots

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_02]: and they go like they play.

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_04]: They show a lot of clips from the films.

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So they play the sixth sense.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_02]: He'll just go like, hello Jalazmin,

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_02]: talk about seeing dead people.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And he goes to the sixth sense church at one point.

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Then they play the clip from Unbreakable

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_02]: of Bruce Willis falling into the tarp.

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_02]: With the voiceover of the lady being like,

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_02]: oh, that he was dead in the water.

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm like what clip are they

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_02]: gonna play from signs?

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_02]: What clip will sum it up so quickly

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_02]: that you can get it in shorthand?

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And the clip they show is

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_02]: walking Phoenix knocking over a glass of water

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_02]: with his baseball bat.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_02]: They just have him go, water.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It hurts them.

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, and then there's this ultimate.

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's the movie considers it a twist

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_04]: that like the sign's house is real

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_04]: and M. Night went like he grew up there

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_04]: and there's a crow living in it.

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, oh that's another thing.

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he can summon crows with his like

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_02]: mind powers maybe?

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So for an unauthorized documentary

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_02]: M. Night does a bunch of interviews.

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay.

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is the thing.

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the main dramatic conflict

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_02]: of the movie is can we get an M. Night interview.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_04]: They only get him four times.

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_04]: So he meets with him on camera

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_04]: but they don't do an interview.

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_04]: But David, he just wants to hang out.

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Well this is the thing.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, he wants to go out on the town.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Have a cheese stick.

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Be a guy.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_04]: The first interview is not an interview

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_04]: they just meet briefly.

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_04]: They shake hands.

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_04]: The second interview is supposed to be

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_04]: like a regular interview.

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_04]: They talks about a Sanskrit necklace.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And then Conn asks some question.

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Conn asks some question about like

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_04]: oh the spirit world.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And M. Night gets like really agitated

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_04]: and shuts off the interview.

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Right?

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_04]: The third interview.

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_04]: And the PR woman chooses me as out.

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so how can you,

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_04]: what are you asking about that?

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't understand what he's supposed

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_04]: to be asking them about.

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, the third thing is they go out

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_04]: for a night on the town in Philly.

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_04]: They get a cheese steak

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and then they play some pool.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And some people want to take pictures

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_04]: with M. Night.

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh people are always stopping M. Night.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Always want a picture.

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So handsome.

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Want a little autograph.

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're talking about too like

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_02]: they're like hanging out in the back

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_02]: of this car.

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_02]: They're going around to M. Night's

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_02]: favorite haunts.

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_02]: But the whole crew is there.

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And he keeps on going like see this

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_02]: is what I want man.

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You know just like hanging out

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_02]: like this.

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Conn's like yeah I love it.

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And every once in a while

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Conn will be like so in sixth sense

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's like man.

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought we were just hanging out.

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Starting to sound like an interview.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like you thought they were

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_02]: just hanging out the fucking crews

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_02]: there.

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_02]: He brought a camera.

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_02]: They miked you up.

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You got a love.

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_02]: What are you talking about?

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't understand the purpose

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_04]: of this sequence at all.

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_04]: It's quite a long sequence in the

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_04]: film.

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like 15 minutes long.

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_02]: It almost feels like M. Night

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_04]: makes him look like a pretty nice

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_04]: normal guy who is not hiding

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_02]: anything at all.

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay so I think that was the point

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_02]: of the sequence in the film.

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I think M. Night wanted to convince

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_02]: people.

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I want to just be like a creep.

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I think M. Night wanted to convince

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_02]: people that he was a fun hang.

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's why this exists

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_02]: in the movie is he was just

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_02]: like I mean I want people still

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_02]: hanging out with me.

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to cultivate this

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_02]: like mythology and this creepy

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_02]: thing but I also want people

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_02]: to know I'm just like you

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_02]: know I fully cheesesteak just

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_02]: like everyone else.

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I just hold the onions.

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I would too.

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is something that's

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_02]: insane.

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_04]: David that's insane.

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Holding the onions?

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't like I like onions but

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't need that many onions.

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_04]: It makes a fully cheesesteak.

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not a huge fan of a

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_04]: fully cheesesteak.

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to be I'm going to

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_04]: level with everyone on this

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_04]: podcast.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel that out.

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah let's cut that out.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_04]: That's inflammatory.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's okay.

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I just.

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's one of the best.

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Love is good cheesesteak.

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So good.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a regular M. Night

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Shyamalan.

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's like a fun hang.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_02]: They do this one interview

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_02]: out in the woods where a crow

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_02]: just appears and lands on the

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_02]: branch behind him while they're

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_02]: talking.

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And then later when they review

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_02]: the footage they realize there's

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_02]: also a different crow behind

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Nathaniel Kahn.

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh huh.

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_02]: When they go to the house

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_02]: crows like fly out of the

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_04]: one crow.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_04]: One crow flies out of one room.

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Very dramatically.

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Well for this movie very

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_02]: dramatically for another movie

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_02]: barely dramatically.

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And then when they review

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_02]: the footage they realize they

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_02]: see Henry's ghost in the

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_02]: mirror.

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes in that scene.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_04]: The crow very obvious like a

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_04]: full resolution like in it.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Not in a shadowy thing at all.

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Henry is the Victorian ghost

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_04]: boy who was ghost murdered in

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_04]: the ghost pass in the ghost pond

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_04]: that M. Night Shyamalan later fell

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_04]: into rescue a deer from by the way

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_04]: M. Night Shyamalan friend to

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_04]: dears.

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Friend to deer sorry.

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Friend to deer.

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_04]: He was trying to rescue a

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_04]: deer as a child.

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Fell in ice pond ghosts, ghost

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Henry.

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_04]: It communes with the ghost.

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_04]: This movie is fucking stupid.

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And so then it's got that

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_04]: and there's like two more

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_04]: interviews with M. Night

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_04]: and I guess the last one is like

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_04]: where they where the guys just

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_04]: like so you fell in the ghost

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_04]: pond ghost you've talked to

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_04]: ghosts.

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And M. Night's like no man I

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_04]: don't know I gotta go like

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_04]: you know and then that's it.

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And then it's an hour of him

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_04]: trying to decide whether

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_04]: or not to release the damn

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_04]: thing.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_05]: We left out the most important

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_05]: part.

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh we're getting to that.

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_04]: We're getting to the most

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_04]: important part.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't you worry.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I just let that's the kicker.

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Sure.

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_04]: That's about should we get

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_04]: to so first we should say

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_02]: the film ends with him signing

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_02]: a contract with sci-fi channel

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_02]: to air the film as is.

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm discussing whether or not

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_02]: they'll have any legal repercussions

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_02]: and watching them in the editing

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_02]: room going like I think I need

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_02]: to show this to people people

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_02]: need to know.

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the last six minutes

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_02]: of the film are largely it

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_02]: feels like real on the street

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_02]: interviews with people about

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_02]: their paranormal experiences.

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Totally wedged in nonsense.

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And the idea they like just

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_02]: show them and being like I

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_02]: know what I saw I know it's

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_02]: real.

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And if they know Khan's

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_02]: getting at this idea that

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_02]: like he needs to release this

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_02]: film not to like like muddy

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_02]: up M. Night's name but so that

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_02]: other people out there know

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_02]: that they're not alone.

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_02]: That they're not crazy that

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_02]: these things have happened even

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_02]: to Academy Award nominee M.

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Night Shyamalan.

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's how the film ends

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_02]: is just on these interviews

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_02]: with other people.

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it's stupid but there's

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_02]: a couple of other things I

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_02]: want to mention before we

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_02]: get to the main thing.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Because that part is stupid

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_04]: do you agree?

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah don't mad down.

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay so the character I

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_02]: was supposed to play appears

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_02]: like six more times he goes

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_02]: to him for like follow-up

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_02]: interviews.

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_04]: They keep going back to the

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_04]: chat room.

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And it keeps on like going to

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_02]: meet him outside of school and

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_02]: ask him like more questions.

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah he should be arrested.

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Nathaniel Khan for his behavior

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_02]: in this film.

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah 100%.

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Because he also there's this

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_04]: thing they never resolve where

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_04]: there are two black limousines.

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh Jesus Christ.

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God we have to talk

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_02]: about this.

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Just sort of hover outside

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_02]: the center of the village.

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Outside the center of the

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_04]: village and when he tries to

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_04]: approach one they drive away.

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_02]: They have no license plates

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_02]: front or back plates.

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like looking there

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_02]: they're parked there all

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_02]: the time the second he like

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_02]: cups his hands.

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_02]: He says mirrors are totally

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_02]: smoked.

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_02]: The windows are totally smoked

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_02]: right?

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And he like cups his hands to

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_02]: try to look through the

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_02]: window and the second he

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_02]: touches the window it peels

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_02]: out.

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a ghost.

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah it's stupid.

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_04]: But anyway so he interviews

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Adrian Brody.

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay star of the village.

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah and Adrian Brody doesn't

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_04]: have anything to say we'll

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_04]: get back to him because

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_04]: obviously the Adrian Brody

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_04]: interviews uses a button for

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_04]: the other thing in this

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_04]: movie.

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_04]: But I was just annoyed

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_04]: because they also talk about

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_04]: how they're going to interview

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Joaquin Phoenix,

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_04]: William Hurt and Sigourney

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Weaver.

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And I was like hey they got

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Brody and they got a certain

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_04]: other person in this movie

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_04]: who's in this movie

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_04]: unbelievably.

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Why can't they get these

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_04]: guys they're on the fucking

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_04]: set of the village they

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_04]: don't even get them.

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_04]: David it's a close set okay.

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_04]: It's really annoying I wanted

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_04]: at least to have to watch

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Joaquin Phoenix debase

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_02]: himself with this movie.

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So okay I want to talk about

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_02]: how to set up this thing

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_02]: because the way they get to

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_02]: the crazy appearance in

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_02]: this film okay.

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_02]: They go to the childhood friend

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_02]: who complains about M. Night

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_02]: ceiling all the girls right.

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And Nathan O'Conn asked this

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_02]: question that no one would

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_02]: ever ask where he's like

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_02]: you know working with actors

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_02]: you know he works with Bruce

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Willis on the sixth sense

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_02]: and that's a big breakout

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_02]: and then he works with him

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_02]: again on a breakable

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_02]: and then they don't work

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_02]: together again.

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Is there a story there?

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah he basically is like

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_02]: what happened with Bruce

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Willis and he's like you

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_02]: know I think they were

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_02]: close on the sixth sense

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_02]: and then I think

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_02]: unbreakable I think.

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_04]: The film does not resolve

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_04]: whether or not M. Night

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Shamblin scared Bruce Willis

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_04]: with the spooky ghost power.

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_02]: They sort of imply that

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_02]: they're like and then I

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_04]: sort of imply it.

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_04]: They also sort of imply

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_04]: that maybe Mel Gibson has

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_04]: entered his spooky ghost

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_04]: realm but then they don't

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_04]: follow that up.

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Right and they're like

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I think because it's

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I shouldn't talk about this

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I shouldn't talk about

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_04]: that you find out that

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_04]: he met with another actor

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_04]: for signs before Mel Gibson

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_04]: he said well yeah

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_02]: oh so what he says

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_02]: now this may have been

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_04]: made after Mel Gibson had

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_04]: his sugar tits freak out

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_04]: or whatever his other

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_04]: you know his passion

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_04]: the Christ freak out

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_04]: but it doesn't work anyway

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_02]: but Mel Gibson is not in this

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_02]: movie.

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Right no I realize

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_02]: this is the stream

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_02]: what he does he goes Bruce

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Willis this is what he was

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_02]: he went Bruce Willis

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_02]: he does sixth sense

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_02]: then he does unbreakable

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_02]: he's not in signs.

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Why did that relationship

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_02]: end to sort of imply

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_02]: it's something bad

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_02]: happened and he goes

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_02]: was Bruce Willis ever

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_02]: planned to be the lead

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_02]: in sign and he goes

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think Bruce

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Willis was but there

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_02]: was another actor

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_02]: and he goes another actor

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_02]: who was it he goes

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't you know

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean oh he says

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_02]: but you know about the other

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_02]: actor he says it offhand

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_02]: he goes but you know about

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_02]: the other actor

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_02]: before Mel

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_02]: right and he goes

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_02]: what other actor

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_02]: this is as far as I know

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_02]: completely made up

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh completely made up

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's like oh I thought

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_02]: you knew and he's like

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_02]: no I shouldn't talk about

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_02]: this I shouldn't talk about

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_02]: this and then turns around

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_02]: and gets on a train

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_02]: this whole interview is

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_02]: happening

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I forgot about that

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_04]: he literally runs onto a

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_04]: train that then leaves

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_04]: the station

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_04]: this interview is just

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_04]: happening at a train platform

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I believe it's at

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_04]: the unbreakable station

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_04]: yes broad street

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_04]: unbreakable

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_04]: got it

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Port Ben has to know the time

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_02]: every time

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_02]: unstoppable

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_02]: but yes

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_02]: they've just been having this

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_02]: calm casual interview

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_02]: at train

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_02]: right the point where he gets

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_02]: again comfortable part of

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_02]: who was the other actor

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_02]: he goes into the chat room

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_02]: and he goes hey

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_02]: little M night

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_02]: the best thing is he has to

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_02]: go back to the fucking kids

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_02]: basement over

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah anyway

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_02]: he goes little M night

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_02]: quiz for everyone

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_02]: so he's like

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna figure out

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_02]: the answer to this question

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know the answer

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_02]: to by posing it as a question

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_02]: to these other kids

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_02]: like they have to impress

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_02]: me because at this point

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Nathaniel Kahn has risen to a 2

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah no yeah he becomes a 2

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he ever hits 3

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's 6 with 2

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_02]: but he hits a 2 on the board

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_02]: right

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's like

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_02]: quick signs trivia time

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_02]: or a quick M night trivia time

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_02]: they're like okay

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_02]: gives what you got

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's like

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_02]: did you know that there was

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_02]: another actor

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_02]: in talks

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_02]: or he says attached

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_02]: to do signs before mail

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_02]: and the guy goes like

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah of course

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_02]: he's like okay who

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_04]: then there's a whole

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_04]: rigmarole about like

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_04]: you need to tell me something

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_04]: where's the village set

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_04]: like there's a whole back and forth

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_04]: right he exchanged information

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_04]: you know who gives a shit

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_04]: and then he says the name

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_04]: can we say in unison

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_04]: one two three

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Johnny Depp

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_04]: and this is in 2003

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_04]: this is Pirates of the Caribbean

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_04]: just came out

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean the movie came out a year later

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_04]: you know but this is

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Johnny Depp is hot shit

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_02]: but David I worked on this film

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_02]: and I can attest that this

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_02]: film was shooting in

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_02]: October of 2003

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah right so it was right after

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_04]: this was four months

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_04]: hit success yeah did you know he was

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_04]: gonna be in the movie absolutely not

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_04]: they didn't say to you like oh

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_02]: and this is a debt picture

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_02]: absolutely not

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Johnny Depp

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and the thing I kind of finds out is

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Johnny Depp and the next thing you see

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_02]: is him overlooking

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_02]: the Philadelphia skyline

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_02]: from his hotel room

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_02]: on the phone with his aunt

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah right or his mom

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_02]: his mom he's calling his mom

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_02]: and he goes hey mom

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_02]: you know that friend of yours

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_02]: who you went to elementary school with

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_02]: who you said then became Johnny Depp's aunt

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_02]: do you have her number

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_02]: that's like the actual line of dialogue

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_02]: and then it cuts to

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Nathaniel Kahn

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_02]: meeting Johnny Depp at the Chateau Marmont

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_02]: and Johnny Depp is in this movie for like

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_02]: six minutes

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_04]: um and I would say

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_04]: gives a pretty terrific performance

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I think so too

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_02]: uh this is actually a good

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Johnny Depp performance

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_05]: he's acting like a regular person

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_02]: he's the only person who feels like a real person

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_02]: in the movie

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_04]: easily better than like most of the performances

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_04]: he's given in the last five or so years

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_04]: agreed and he actually

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_04]: everything postsweeney Todd basically

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_02]: he's the only person who feels like he's not

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_02]: acting

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah I agree

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_02]: in the whole film

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_04]: he's very natural

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_04]: very natural

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_04]: he's totally nailing the whole thing of like

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_04]: you know I know I'm very famous

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_04]: and this is like a very nice place that I'm in

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_04]: but like I'm just a guy and like

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_04]: that's a great moment

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_05]: we're in a terrible fashion sense

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah yeah

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_02]: when he's like I've got like beer

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_02]: and sandwiches

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah but when the thing at Kahn's like

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_02]: this is a great place to have your

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_02]: and it's like well yeah I mean it's not mine

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_02]: he's like a little uncomfortable with how nice it is

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_02]: but he says to him

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_02]: like what was the experience like

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_02]: he's like well we met a few times

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_02]: and

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_02]: it was weird the first time was fine

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_02]: the second time it felt like he was trying to like

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_02]: the whole thing is like you've got Depp

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how this happened

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't even begin to understand it

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I love so does Nathaniel Kahn know Depp

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_04]: does M. Night know Depp

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_04]: never made a movie with him

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_04]: that's what's fascinating

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_04]: none of it makes any sense

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_04]: you've got Depp

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_04]: and then you don't even really use it for much of anything

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_04]: he just kind of suggests that M. Night was weird

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_04]: well okay

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and then he says like he was made to learn

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_04]: these parroted sort of quotes

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_04]: about secrets about like oh you know

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_02]: George Bernard Shard quote

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_02]: which he couldn't remember

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and then the other one is like

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I think

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_05]: it stuck out because it was so goofy

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah it goes like secrets are interesting

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_02]: because you don't know whether or not they're real

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_02]: or not don't you think

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_02]: and he goes and I remembered

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_02]: the question

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_02]: that one because of the question at the end

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_02]: but what Johnny Depp

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_04]: the reality of this film

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_04]: and like I know we all rag on him now

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_04]: but he was such a fucking huge deal

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_04]: that was his peak

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_04]: such a huge deal at this time

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_04]: that was his peak moment

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_04]: secret window like made 80 million

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_04]: they hit the box office

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_04]: even though it was the worst movie ever made

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_04]: just because he was in it

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_04]: you know anything he was in was the hottest shit

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_02]: this was Johnny Depp had just been nominated

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_02]: for an Oscar

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_02]: for Pirates of the Caribbean

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_02]: right

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_02]: which is one of the highest grossing films of all time

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_02]: absolutely

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_02]: like he could not have been

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_02]: at a better point because he was like

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_02]: it was his first Oscar nomination

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_02]: for his first big commercial break

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_02]: it was his big comeback

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_02]: it was everything

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah yeah

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_02]: it was everything

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_02]: he was on the very top of the world

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_02]: right

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_02]: and he decides to appear

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_02]: in the buried secret of Amnesty Amalan

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_02]: and this film implies that

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Johnny Depp at this peak moment

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_02]: right

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess science had been a little bit earlier

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_02]: but he was still a big star

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_02]: right

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_02]: that

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_02]: that he had maybe

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_02]: which by the way he would have been terrible

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_02]: in that role

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_02]: it was a horrible casting idea

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_02]: for him to play the Mel Gibson role in science

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_02]: but

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_02]: the film implies that

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_02]: he had two meetings

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_02]: exploratory meetings

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_02]: with Amnesty Amalan about taking the role

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_02]: and on the second meeting

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_02]: probably like a coffee meeting or whatever

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Amnesty was like

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_02]: hey I love this talk we're doing about the script

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_02]: before we go any further

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_02]: can I have you memorize

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_02]: three quotes

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_02]: that you can apply

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_02]: when doing press for the film

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_02]: that we haven't even shot yet

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_02]: that we're still just talking about

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_02]: whether or not you want to be in

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_02]: at meeting number two he was like

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_02]: here's a George Bernard Shah quote

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_02]: oh you want me to memorize this for the character

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_02]: no I want you to memorize this for when you do interviews

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_02]: mm-hmm

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_02]: two years from now

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_02]: anyway when he goes back and interviews

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Adrian Brody say about this

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Adrian Brody

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I think there's also an implication that he tried some weird

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_04]: supernatural shit on Johnny Depp

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and that's why Johnny Depp dropped out

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_04]: agreed

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_04]: like he was like

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Henry's here

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_04]: but then I love the implication that he then

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_04]: tried that on Mel Gibson

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Mel Gibson was like

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_04]: we're cooking with gas

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_04]: you're crazy

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I love it

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I see ghosts too

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_02]: when he interviews Adrian Brody

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Adrian Brody says the stuff that Johnny Depp said

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_02]: he had been taught to memorize right

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah they're trying to get Adrian Brody just

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_02]: talk about

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_02]: the film and he's like can you tell us about your character

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_02]: he's like

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I can

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_02]: which is like boy are you gonna be disappointed

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_02]: when you hear what his character is

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_02]: it's simple Jack

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_02]: who staves people

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_02]: he's like

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I could say anything about my character

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_02]: he won't even admit that he has long hair

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah I heard he had long hair in it

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_02]: you know the thing about secrets is

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_02]: and then he just goes into the quote

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_02]: and you're like

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_02]: okay I get the point they're making

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_02]: he does this to every actor

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_02]: but instead the film cuts to

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Nathaniel Codd in the editing room going

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_02]: show me that tick

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_02]: show me that clip again of Johnny Depp

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_04]: they're like rewind it like six times in case

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_04]: you didn't get it

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_02]: and they go back and forth between the two

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_02]: they go to Johnny Depp saying

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_02]: some George Binar Shaw quote

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and they go back to Adrian Brody going

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_02]: you know I think it says George Binar Shaw

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_02]: said he's like wait a second rewind it

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_04]: wait but do these quotes match up or were

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_04]: two separate George Bernard Shaw quotes

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_05]: they treat it like the JFK like assassination

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_04]: back into the left

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_04]: four times they go back and forth

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_04]: fucking so stupid

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Ben how long have we been running for

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_04]: over an hour

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_04]: okay so we're just gonna wrap this shit up

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_04]: yes

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_04]: what do we think of M. Night Shyamalan

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_02]: god I mean this was

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_04]: this was a nice insight into

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_04]: his egomania

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_04]: his perceived egomania and what like

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_04]: you know where everything was

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_04]: people began to really dislike about him

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_04]: which was that he would take over a movie

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_04]: in a way that like the movie didn't need

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_02]: well and there's also there there are two

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_02]: moments when he's being interviewed in

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_02]: this film that I think are actually pretty telling

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_02]: right and M. Night's not

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_02]: bad in this from an acting standpoint

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_02]: he's not bad

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_02]: he's pretty good yeah I mean like

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_04]: whatever he's fine he's perfectly personable

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I maybe a little too like cute

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_04]: with the whole like I'm a coy creeper

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_04]: you know but what he's fine I agree but

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_04]: it's I think it's maybe his third best

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_04]: performance

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_02]: we rank in M. Night performances away what's the

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_02]: best the best one I think is Lady in

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_02]: the Water

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I think that is his best performance

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't award that at any sort of

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean Ray Reddy is the worst one right

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Ray Reddy is the most harmful

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_04]: but I would say Lady in the Water is

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_04]: probably the second most harmful but I

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_04]: think that's from a character standpoint

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I understand I think his best performance

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_04]: is in the sixth sense oh he's really good

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_02]: now I'm gonna say that

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_02]: what's the village

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_02]: okay can I do definitive ranking

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_02]: no there's no ranking this is my ranking

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_02]: my ranking is Lady in the Water

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_02]: 6 cents then I'd go the buried secret

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_02]: then the village then I'd go the village

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_02]: we're gonna breakable that would be next

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_02]: did it again damn it

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_02]: then praying with anger

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_02]: then I thought he was really bad

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_02]: and happening

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_02]: who's the oh he's the voice of Joey on the film

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_04]: just like did you see 10 clover field

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_02]: badly Cooper's voice yeah beginning there

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_04]: you like 10 clover field man

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I talk about some other movies yeah

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you saw my tweet about 10

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_02]: clover field Lane I think you did

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_02]: a similar tweet to the tweet I did which was

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_04]: something like more like 8.5

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_04]: that was my exact I think I did something

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's like a solid 8.5 I liked it a lot

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah those are good movie I'm planning to see it again

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I liked it yeah I liked a lot

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I just saw the jungle book which we were talking about

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_02]: off mic boy I'm so excited for that movie

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah it's okay it's pretty I would say it's easily

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_04]: the best John Fevro movie

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_04]: that was made with a big budget since Iron Man

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_04]: but can we say about the worst

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_02]: compliment you can give me can we say that I've been amp

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_02]: for this movie like five months it's your kind of

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_02]: movie that when I saw the trailer

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_02]: when we went to see

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_02]: not Phantom S we went to see

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Force Awakens together

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and the trailer came up

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like I think that looks great and you were like

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't believe you think this looks good

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I was just well the whole

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_04]: animals talking biz

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_04]: is just hard to pull off but they pulled

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_04]: off you're telling that I was right

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I have some questions do you know any yeah

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_04]: absolutely I mean I'm breakable

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_04]: it was I mean to me it's like a three star

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_04]: movie that's better than I thought it was going to be

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_04]: three out of four or five five I'm not Roger

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Ebert

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_04]: you like that didn't you

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_04]: but did they because you probably know more than

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_04]: me was the kid acting against anything

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_04]: where there were the uh were there people doing

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_04]: motion capture was like Bill Murray on set

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_02]: or whoever not the voice actors but I believe

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_04]: there were people doing yeah because I mean

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_04]: the kids bad but he's kind of cute

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_04]: but I mean he's like objectively it's a quite

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_04]: bad performer but that's like an impossible

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_04]: it's impossible you'd have to find a wonder

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_02]: amazing he reads a line at all you would need to

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_02]: find Haley Jalaz I'm like you need to look the kids

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_04]: got the look yeah that's the most important thing

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_04]: um also has a different ending

[01:01:17] [SPEAKER_04]: and I was sort of intrigued by that

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_04]: and oh interesting and I haven't read

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Rudyard Kipling's jungle book you know

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_04]: books so I don't know if it was more

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_04]: like tapping into that I don't know

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I have no idea but it's generally pretty good

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_04]: it's generally pretty good it's not it

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_04]: hasn't stuck with me at all

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm so excited to see it I'm probably going to

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_04]: find out I had a decent time with it I'm going to

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_04]: love it Favreau is a good director yeah

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_04]: of action you know yeah uh

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_04]: although he made two awful movies so we

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_04]: you know but then chef's good which

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_04]: are the two you'd say are awful Iron Man

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_04]: and uh Cabo as an alien oh yes

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_02]: yes you forgot Cabo as an alien

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_02]: existed in here yes and I want to make sure

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to make sure you weren't saying Zathura is awful

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_04]: no Zathura is terrific I mean Elf

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Zathura Iron Man is a very nice run of like

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_04]: very winning movie agreed yeah

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_04]: um love Favreau made

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_04]: is not great agreed yeah

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_04]: although Diddy was great on gether

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_04]: yes that was wonderful here's

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_02]: more he isn't made here's somewhere I'm night

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_02]: he was puffed at yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_02]: go back to M. Night um

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_02]: there's

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_02]: two interviews in this film that I think are very

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_02]: telling right yeah one of

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_02]: them he goes I feel like I can't just

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_02]: make a movie now I feel like every

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_02]: movie I make has to be something more sure

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and if I make a movie that's just

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: the complex you got wrapped up in right

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_02]: right there but he's playing that as the character

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_02]: but you're like that that line of dialogue

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_02]: explains why this documentary

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_04]: quote unquote exists the village

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_04]: lady in the water and probably to some

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_04]: extent the happening yeah then I think

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_04]: he finally is disabused of that notion

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_04]: yes but it like there needs to be this big

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_04]: M. Night mystique around everything I

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_04]: think he felt hoisted by his own guitar

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_04]: absolutely reputation have become so big

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean yeah think about it he makes

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_04]: two movies that are not

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_04]: along these lines at all yeah and then

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_04]: he gets so locked in by the sixth sense

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_04]: right that he makes a documentary

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_04]: in the style of the sick you know like

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_04]: practically tapping into like the thriller

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_04]: mood which by the way conveniently ignores

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_04]: the other two fucking they do say that the

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_04]: village is his sixth movie but then one

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_04]: acknowledgement of praying with anger and

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_02]: why to wake but it's like when there is

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_04]: that scene where it turns out that Henry

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_04]: is the lead actor in wide awake yeah

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_04]: that's not true guys I wish

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_04]: he's asleep I'm so glad to be rid of

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_04]: this bit yeah this is a bad one

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_04]: he's a silly offend

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_04]: this like actively brings two of our

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_04]: episodes to a halt when he does it

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_04]: because the guest doesn't know what the

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_04]: fucking talking about because again you

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_04]: don't need to watch either of the

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_04]: movies you don't need to watch wide awake

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_04]: no it's also

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_04]: like Griffin does a lot of annoying

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_04]: like voices and sounds but this is

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_04]: hey what do you think of Rogue One

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_04]: people were tweeting at me saying

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_02]: we gotta talk Rogue One one of our

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_02]: our fans on Twitter has said

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_02]: he wants us to do a full 10 episode

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_02]: mini series on the Rogue One trailer yeah

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that might be stretching it to a minute long

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I thought it was good

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was great I was

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_04]: very hyped about it I just

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't like blown away by it but I liked everything I saw

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_02]: it's just still early

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I still haven't gotten a real sense of

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: what the movie is and this is a big one

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: just because it's setting up the new paradigm

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_02]: where we can have these films that are

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_02]: sort of disconnected

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_02]: from the main storyline

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: but the idea is that they're all going to feed into each other still

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: and they're a little nostalgic you know they've all got that

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_04]: but it was just like the Gantilla

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_04]: trailer I thought just that you know

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_04]: like he picks on a really cool noise

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_04]: to like punctuate the trailer

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_04]: just good images great cast

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_04]: that line reading

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Paras Whitaker has it was like what will they do with their break-u

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah it's great yeah it's great

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I like a lot of what I'm seeing

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I am too I was I'm Mendelssohn looks

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_04]: terrific looks unbelievable what a great actor

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_04]: he's one of our finest actors we're so blessed to have

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Ben Mendelssohn we're so lucky to have him

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: we are we are and he's really a high pitch right now

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_04]: sorry let me doubt it then talk about annoying

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_04]: sounds yep yep no no oh Deepak Chopra

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_04]: is in this movie oh yeah

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah he's also not bad

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_04]: he's okay he's basically just asked to

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_04]: you know say some mumbo jump

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_02]: about good read what I wrote about myself

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_02]: there is

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_02]: what was I gonna say

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I was a working

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_02]: shooting something

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_02]: when the Star Wars trailer came out

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: and so like I watched it by myself

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Justice League part one is that where you were shooting

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm shooting Justice League part one yeah

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_02]: they're really good we're talking about the next

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_02]: yep

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I I'm shooting

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_02]: an upcoming series for TBS

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah very exciting not very exciting very funny

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_02]: thank you

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_04]: but let's do all the other

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_02]: catch yeah I did I tried

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_02]: to make that joke very funny it took me

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_04]: six what was the other one we know drama

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_04]: at CND

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_04]: is very funny is TBS

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_04]: was TBS yeah it is the Bravo

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_04]: watch what happens was Bravo yeah

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like there's another Bravo one

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_04]: then we started to do that live

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_04]: characters welcome is also TBS

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_04]: no characters welcome to

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_04]: USA USA absolutely

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah yeah IFC

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_04]: is always on always

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_04]: off or something like that

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_04]: slightly off there you go

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_04]: um yeah always on always off wouldn't make no

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: sense I this is just the thing I want

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_04]: to say we're always on but no we're

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: off yeah right I was

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I watched the trailer for Rogue one

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Star Wars Rogue one

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Rogue one a Star Wars story that morning when I woke up

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_02]: right and then I was on set

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_02]: and when I'm on set I leave my lock

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_02]: off you're locked in away from my

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_04]: person really irritating and Lee hard to

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_04]: communicate with yes I set a podcast

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_02]: recording yep yeah 100%

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_02]: yep so I was like totally outside

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_02]: of the echo chamber of everyone reacting

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah yeah yeah to the trailer rather

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_02]: and there was a kid on set

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_02]: the the child of

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_02]: one of the producers on the show was on

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: set and was like six he was wearing a

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Star Wars teacher and I was like I want

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_02]: talk to this kid about the trailer because I

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: haven't been able to talk to anyone about the trailer

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_02]: and I was like what do you think of the trailer

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_02]: and he was like I don't know what you're talking

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: right six years old so we pulled it up on

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_02]: computer and watch it with him yeah and I

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_02]: will say I could not explain to him

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: the idea that this was not episode 8

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah I wonder if that's gonna be a problem

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and then like a bunch of the adults

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_02]: on set were like wait there's already a

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_02]: sequel and I was like well this is like

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_04]: haven't you been following the dev cycle guys

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_04]: like this is a different piece like in

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_04]: the same IP you know right

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know the kid was really thrown

[01:07:24] [SPEAKER_02]: off you're saying this kid doesn't read

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_02]: deadline every day no he's more of like a

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: screen-ramp guy

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_04]: it's funny you know we tried to do

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_04]: another M night episode and we you know

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_04]: we talked about him we did talk about him

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_04]: and we did fucking 11 episodes of him so

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_02]: oh this is the second quote I want to say

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_02]: that I thought was telling go ahead we're getting there

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_02]: okay so there was the thing about it the movies have to

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_02]: be more than just a movie right they do and

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_02]: then he said like I like the idea of the

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_02]: director being part of the story that's

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_02]: not just the painting but you're interested in the hand

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah sure right that did the painting

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and he references Alfred Hitchcock

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_02]: a bunch of times he loves the birds and

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: he compares himself to Alfred Hitchcock

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_04]: that's the trivia question he gets wrong yeah it's

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_04]: that the birds is the major inspiration

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_04]: not so psycho or right circle yeah

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah but he says

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_02]: like it makes sense suddenly you go

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_02]: like oh this whole M night thing was like him trying

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_02]: to possess himself as a figure in his movies

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_02]: sure like Alfred Hitchcock like Hitchcock used

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_02]: to do yeah but let's compare M night show

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: on to Alfred Hitchcock and I'm not talking about in terms of

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_02]: filmography movie by movie no right we're not

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_02]: going to do that over doubt but I'm saying in

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_02]: this sense as their role as

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_02]: a hand

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_02]: dial-in for murder yeah movie good movie

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_02]: lifeboat

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_02]: have you ever seen dial-in in 3D

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't so they do the film form every couple of years it's amazing

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: um but

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_02]: uh

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_02]: let's compare this right Alfred Hitchcock

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_02]: appeared in every one of his films sure little

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: cameos silent dialogue

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah no I know I'm not

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_04]: give himself bigger and bigger dramatic role you know Hitchcock also had Alfred Hitchcock presents

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_04]: okay and he would introduce his trailers

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_02]: and this is like I'm Alfred Hitchcock and the you know the tuba would play but this is the point I'd like to

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_02]: make yeah M night equates himself to Alfred Hitchcock and he feels the need to make the supplemental

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_02]: material and create this mythology

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_02]: around his film so that he is the larger figure around them

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Alfred Hitchcock did that in a way

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_02]: that people believed like the prevailing theory is

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_02]: the reason Alfred Hitchcock was not taken seriously enough as a filmmaker in his time

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_02]: why he never won an Academy Award

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_02]: was because his public persona was so goofy

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah that he made these movies that were populist and that people liked a lot

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_02]: he made a shit ton of money it made a shit ton of money but when he was doing the trailers it was always like oh here's that goofy tub

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean that's why he was the first famous director right because he was entertaining

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_04]: no one actually knew like what Victor Fleming looked like or you know like you know it's like

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_04]: someone could you know do is John Houston over there like you know yeah he was the first right

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_02]: showman director and Alfred Hitchcock essentially made himself into like a

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_02]: comedia dellarte character right you know like hilarious it was like here's the iconography of what I look like

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_02]: the bits like yeah tuba yeah

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_02]: uh break the whole thing was that he was doing that one

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_05]: he was like this uh

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_05]: put my foot down right it is broken

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Dan you did it wow we broke it

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: oh broke it dumb bit

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_02]: he did he was this macabre like kind of like jolly old British fat man

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and like he was poking the air out of the seriousness of his own movies

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_02]: and I'm like was like what if I make my persona more serious than the films are

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_02]: right it's such a fascinating inversion

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: there's no

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_02]: and a misunderstanding of what Alfred Hitchcock did and why it made people like him and his movies

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah the tongue is not in the cheek

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_04]: yes

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_04]: and this movie is the perfect example even though he didn't make it you know it's the perfect example

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_02]: that was a good point right it was worth great point putting the train back on the rail

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope that everyone's still listening

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah right yeah I really doubt it

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah but I think let's you know let's wrap up M. Night Shyamalan any final thoughts guys

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_05]: and I also I do want to set up I have a challenge for our listeners

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_05]: okay great

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_05]: so M. Night Shyamalan wrote a book guys

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_05]: it's called I Got Schooled

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I think we've mentioned it in the past episodes

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I believe maybe briefly

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah he wrote a book about the American educational system

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_05]: what

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_05]: between a non-infection book

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah between a lady in the water and the happening

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_05]: because he went to a Philly public school

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_05]: and he was appalled by what he saw in an English class

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_05]: he wanted to fix the education system like a lot of rich people get this idea

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_05]: and so he wrote a book

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_05]: and I was thinking I was gonna maybe read it as you know as my producer you know

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah and just thought it'd be like a but then I started

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_05]: characters welcome

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_05]: oh we spun

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah

[01:11:34] [SPEAKER_04]: go ahead sorry

[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_05]: so anyway

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I decided not to do that because that's stupid

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah probably really would be a huge way to waste your time

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_05]: and fuck this guy and I've already spent way too many hours of my life watching his movies

[01:11:47] [SPEAKER_05]: but the challenges to any of the blankies out there

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_05]: if they want to read it and give us a book report

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_05]: we'll read it on the air

[01:11:53] [SPEAKER_04]: that is correct

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_04]: keep it within 200 words

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_04]: challenge

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_04]: dropped

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_04]: oh M9 it's been fun

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_04]: and then and then we're gonna move on to

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_04]: oh what are we calling it

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_04]: this was a debate on Twitter

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I think we're gonna do a Twitter

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_02]: we've got a lot of good suggestions

[01:12:07] [SPEAKER_02]: the one I liked the best was

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_02]: the Pod Chowsky casters

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah me agree me agree

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah because the best thing is

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: me agree Griffin

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_02]: if you think we're like stir crazy right now

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_02]: we're about to record another episode right away

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_02]: first up to today

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_02]: we were gonna go with the Pod Chowskies

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_02]: and then someone point out that all of our

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_04]: my friend Alex Chris pointed out that we always have cast

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_04]: just you know cast

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_04]: podcast in our titles

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_04]: so I think Pod Chowsky

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_04]: such as pod cast Shyamov cast

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah whatever the fuck this one's called

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know I'm losing my mind

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna wrap this up quick

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_04]: you guys are falling apart

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_04]: me agree me agree

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_04]: as always

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_04]: and as always

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_04]: and as always

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