The Castle of Cagliostro

[00:00:00] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David, don't know what to say or to expect. All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check. This is a podcast for all mankind. Too big for my pocket anyway.

[00:00:27] That's nice. It's a nice moment. Well, that's going to be a problem for this miniseries. Yes, they're bad opens. Bad opens. Bad opens weird box office games. Get ready. Oh, that's also a good point. This is a kind of a territory for us. But these early ones tough.

[00:00:43] Tough. Man, what a rip roaring start. Hello everybody. My name is Griffin Newman. David Sims pumping his arms in the air. Now he's like jasser sizing. Sure. How David joining 19. Can't argue with that. How David joining 19.

[00:01:00] It's a Blank Check with Griffin and David. It's a podcast about filmographies. Directors who have massive success early on in their career and given series of blank checks, make whatever crazy passion projects they want. Sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce, baby.

[00:01:11] I think that is the fastest I've gotten that out in months. Wow. Both the micro machines as clip in which I delivered it and the shortness of time it took for me to start to deliver. You just wanted to get it out there.

[00:01:24] I'm all business today. I'm all business today for new listeners and also because I've had diarrhea for four days straight. The fastest time you got to that. I can't keep it inside me anymore, David. My words, my meals. It's all coming out.

[00:01:41] Now you were telling me this is your first day maybe where it's gotten a little, it's sort of gone the other way. I would say right now we're in the midst of Griffin Newman Infinity War, which my body is at war with itself.

[00:01:56] So now maybe things have tightened up a bit. Recently someone on the Reddit said that they disliked that in certain episodes I talked about your bowel movements. Not even that it was in the Patreon that I say I'm going to go to the bathroom now.

[00:02:10] So someone is unsubscribing so hard they are literally poking a finger through their phone. Right now Bob. There's an unsubscribe button shaped hole in their phone. Right, and there's sparks flying at the other end. Classic. Classic.

[00:02:29] This of course as everyone can tell is a mini series on the film. I don't know why I keep doing this. I am Miyazaki baby. New mini series. New mini series. What? Okay, okay. That I can do. I'll tell you this. Griffin's a pro.

[00:02:51] He's been pooping for four days or whatever. He's got the energy. I guess you're also out of your house. I'm out of my house. I'm also out of my mind.

[00:03:00] I mean you can attest I spent the last hour having a nervous breakdown about the state of the entertainment industry. Jesus Christ. I've been yelling at you holding you personally responsible for the dirt of studio comedies. And I'm like there'll be more relaxing maniacs. I'm not on TV.

[00:03:16] I want to be in theaters David. There's a lot on TV right now. Look TV is kind of where the money is but you know what things move around. No one should ever make a TV show. Well that's what you keep saying. Here's a contradictory fact though.

[00:03:26] No one should ever cancel a TV show. Yeah for the listeners who like to track when we're recording these. This is our first post public announcement of vinyl being canceled. If you're trying to track the timeline vinyl just got canceled.

[00:03:43] They're going to make a big movie that pulls it all together. I hope so. Deadwood style is going to be involved. Yeah. They've been keeping the I first of all thank you for remembering my character's name was Casper. You know why he was named Casper right? Friendly ghost.

[00:03:55] Was written to be an albino. I did know that you did tell me that. Yes and it came down to me and an albino actor. Oh dear. And they hired me and I said I will not play this character albino.

[00:04:07] Right you're not going to like put weird like contact lenses on me or try and make me look like an albino or whatever. Also here's like you know you're not going to powder me.

[00:04:15] Some talented albino actor is calling his mom and it's like the character's written to be albino. No no of course. It's down to me and another guy. I guess usually though it's just makeup right like powder. Right. Charlie Hunnam in cold mountain. Yes.

[00:04:29] I can't think of other examples. There are other examples. What's his name? Dan Bakadal in the heat. Paul. Blart Molkop. Paul Blart Molkop famous albino. You know Paul Betney and. Oh. Da Vinci Code is it? Da Vinci Code. Is it Da Vinci Code that he's an albino?

[00:04:49] It's the code. Yeah. It's the code my friend. I just said like yeah I feel uncomfortable doing this when there's no reason I have two lines. And they were like okay yeah forget it. They were like oh yeah thank god we don't want to go through that work.

[00:05:04] They were like we were never going to actually do that. Right. Because it would have required bleaching my hair, my facial hair of which at the time I had a mustache inside burns they would have had to bleach my eyebrows. You would have looked terrible. My eyelashes.

[00:05:20] I would have looked the worst and you remember how bad I already looked at them. You already kind of looked bad. I looked really bad and then I would have been bleached.

[00:05:27] And also he would have stuck out like if you're in a scene I would have been like oh right like what the fuck's that? If you were by a school you would have been arrested. I would have been arrested. I would have been arrested.

[00:05:36] Because then I would have looked like a supernatural child molester. Yeah. I would have. No you're right. I would have it would have been so so bad but you know what's good? The castle of cagliostro? Cagliostro! You did it. Cagliostro.

[00:05:57] I think this main series is called Howl's Moving Podcastle right? Because we were talking about this. I like podcastle in the sky. He's got three castle titles Ben and it feels like why make it more complicated?

[00:06:07] It should be podcastle but the question is, is it the podcastle of cagliostro? Is it Howl's Moving Podcastle or is it podcastle in the sky? Hell yeah. I don't know that's tough. I'm usually the tiebreaker but I feel like but how we see what the fans like.

[00:06:22] No no I also pitch. Maybe you have a little more time to think about it. Yeah okay. Yeah yeah we could also pitch it to the fans because they know me and stuff is coming to me now if you'd like. I also pitched the two friends moving castle.

[00:06:33] Like you could really jazz it up. Two friends moving podcastle? Yeah you know what I mean? I like Howl's Moving Podcastle. But who the fuck is Howl? Okay you know what? Who's Howl? I mean he's a character in Howl's Moving Castle. Spoiler, we haven't gotten to that yet.

[00:06:48] This is a big thing. This is like the mini series where I haven't seen these movies. Yes. This is a total blind spot for me. Has that ever happened? This is one of my most embarrassing cinematic blind spots.

[00:06:57] Right and this is partly why you wanted to do it. Yeah. To do this guy. Because it's just like everyone's like how is it possible that you not only like animation. Right. You like animation. Right. You're into it. Yes. Thought about studying it. Serious about it.

[00:07:14] You know how it works better than I do. Wanted to go into the field. Sure. And pics are so reverential to him. More than anything, biggest influence they have in America is probably yeah.

[00:07:24] Right and are responsible for Disney being behind Ghibli for like the last 10 years of those films. They got releases and they had awards campaigns. Yeah. All of that because of lots of hug and lass and insistence. The only time that Laster ever forced himself upon any issue.

[00:07:46] Great episode. That's it. But it's this blind spot for me. I've only seen two of the movies. I saw one of them when I was young. Totoro. Yep. Right. And then I saw Spirited Away when I was in high school and both of them I went I don't

[00:08:00] know, I don't get it. Got it broken? That's the question. And so I stopped. Yeah. Yeah. I stopped. We know I'm broken please. I've been shitting for four days. I'm fundamentally broken. I'm having panic attacks about a genre going out of popularity and popular culture.

[00:08:18] I'm a broken person. I'm personally invested in a genre. It'll be fine. We'll get our genre. Don't you worry. You know what's a cool genre? Castle Adventure. Well then you're in luck because like you said the man made three of them out of 11 Dungeon Crawler. Yes. Yes.

[00:08:41] That's what this is. But what I was going to say is at that point, having twice tried when people were like, oh, you're going to fucking love this Miyazaki guy and just been like, I don't get it.

[00:08:50] I was like, I don't want to keep watching these because I feel bad not getting them. With Turner, you probably watched the shitty old dub if you were a kid. Most probably. Yeah. So I mean that's not helping matters.

[00:09:01] I probably saw when I was like six or seven when Disney like first released a home video. And I think that was pre Disney. That's the old. I believe that was the one that Disney released because I remember being in

[00:09:12] Clamshale baby then after that, Miramax starts putting them out theatrically. Miramax does like on a Nokia. I think that's it. Maybe one of them. I don't know. And then Disney takes over Spirited Away. They take over in the 2000s.

[00:09:26] They did and gave it more of properly supervised dubs. Yes. Proper campaigns, proper releases. He won an Oscar, of course. They'd come out in like a thousand screens. They would actually make an impact. Yada, yada, yada. Yeah. No, the Disney dub does not exist until 2004. Weird.

[00:09:47] You watched the crappy streamlined dub, which was distributed by Trauma and released onto VHS by Fox Video. Oh, Fox. Yeah. Okay. Because they also would use the Clamshale sometime. Yeah. I knew that Trauma was the first to bring a Izaki over here, which is a weird thing.

[00:10:05] That is weird. But it was a cult object at that point. Right. It was a curio. To them, it was like this intoxic adventure of the same sort. But then with Spirited Away, did you see that in theaters?

[00:10:19] I saw that in theaters because it was such a big awards thing. It was the biggest film in the history of Japan. And I was just like, I got to see this thing. I'm a serious adult film mind now, 14.

[00:10:31] And I just sat there and I was like, I don't get it. She's dating the river. Hell yeah. Which is like the moment. She's not dating. That's the moment where you start crying and I turned to my mom and I was like, I don't... He's a river.

[00:10:42] Like I wasn't being snarky about it. Spoiler alert. But we've talked about, I was a very confused child. I learned how to process the world through media. And so I really needed to understand the rules of media.

[00:10:58] Like genre and format and structure and tone and things like that were like very important to me in the same way that you like the actual rules of things. I wanted like the rules of like how, how the format works. Okay. Okay.

[00:11:14] And this is such a different storytelling plan. You mean like you were seeing this and you were like, you know what? I just don't understand anime in general and that's probably a problem for me not understanding this. That's too daunting a task right now. So forget it.

[00:11:28] Like first of all, aesthetically I was like, I don't get this artistic accessibility visually. And then I also don't get the whole sort of like spiritual track the movie is on and as someone has said in our Reddit, you know, they were like,

[00:11:43] I wonder if he's going to actually come to like these movies because they're not very plot driven. Sure. Some more than other. Yeah. And Griffin seems like someone who really needs plot. I like plot. We talk about a lot of mainstream studio films here.

[00:11:57] So if a mainstream studio film is going to work, it's usually going to work. I don't think of you as a plot heavy person. I just think that's the prism through which we usually discuss whether or not these movies are working.

[00:12:07] But so many of my favorite movies are very plotless. Right. But a lot of those are things I came to later. So I kind of want to review everything through new eyes, perhaps with fewer hang ups.

[00:12:18] Like this thing about me not like being very confused by things as a kid. Here's a great example with a movie that we've talked about before. I think that fundamentally could not make sense of the existence of Clifford as a child. Big red dog? The Martin Short movie.

[00:12:32] Oh, well, when it would come on TV and I'd be like, I don't understand why aren't they acknowledging that he's an adult? That's how I feel about Forky. Take that name out of your mouth. A fully cursed character.

[00:12:44] David, by the time this episode comes out, you will already have been married to Forky. By the time this comes out, yeah, Forky is president. And he is your, your husband. Where is he? Yeah, I guess he's male. Sure. Yes. We of course made a deal.

[00:12:58] Well, we did wait a second. Because you think Forky's a terrorist. I just look. You think he's a domestic terrorist. I've just read some blogs and I know some information about the kind of activities Forky's into, the kind of ideology he holds.

[00:13:12] And you know, let me just tell you, I think he's in league with the dark lore. You believe in Forky, Dave? And so of course- Forky's just one of these bits where I so rarely strike gold on a bit and I've struck such gold.

[00:13:24] Because one, it's kind of funny because he's such an ineffectual creature. It works on you. This is what drives me so nuts. Okay? It is so my kind of bit. Right. You love this kind of bit. Save for, I hate what it's aimed at.

[00:13:39] This is my exact type of bit structure. And the way you can pound it into the ground and every time someone tweets some bullshit at me, I have to begrudgingly favor it because I'm like, that's well constructed. So at this point, I'm now retconning.

[00:13:54] At this point, we're almost two months after the release of Toy Story 4. That's true. T.S. Forky. And of course, months ago, you and I made an agreement that if you saw the movie and you hated Forky, then that's where it lay. Sure.

[00:14:11] But if you liked Forky, you had to marry. I think I'm going to like Forky. Then you got to marry him. Like leaving the bit aside, which I'm happy to do. I'm not particularly excited for Toy Story 4.

[00:14:25] But Forky is kind of like Will Smith in Aladdin where I'm like, I mean this is the wild card. This might be interesting. The rest of the trailers are like they go on an adventure. They have to find their way home and I'm like, I've seen this movie.

[00:14:37] Like I don't know what that is, but Forky, that's weird. So you kind of down with Forky? I'm kind of into Forky. Well, my condolences to Joanna because it sounds like you're going to marry Forky. It's a bit. I'm sorry. And she's like, what are you doing?

[00:14:54] I'm like, yeah, I have to sign this marriage contract now. I'm going to marry a piece of merchandising. No, the real Forky. Okay. I'm not buying a Forky off the show. Right. Let's tweet out the poll.

[00:15:09] Can you just do like in the old days, just tweet out the three options? Okay. How I was moving podcast. Oh, like a title, title poll. No comment.

[00:15:18] Just put it out there and at the end of the episode we see which one is won and there'll be a lot of dramatic tension in this episode.

[00:15:23] Way to find out who wins because it's not like it will already be in the title and the artwork of the episode that you're listening to. I will get to work on it. Okay, great. The Castle of Keglio Stro.

[00:15:34] So, Miyazaki Blind Spot, I stopped trying to engage with it. I felt like it was time. I threw this out to you. He somehow hadn't been in our March Badness Bracket the first year. No.

[00:15:45] And then I was kind of thrown out by a bunch of people like he should have made it and what's up. I was suggested. I just said to you like, I think we should just fucking do that, especially coming off of Burton.

[00:15:54] I was like, let's do two David guys in a row. That's true. Yeah. That this is right to my guys. Right. But it's your kind of mini series obviously. It's an animation centric mini series.

[00:16:08] And I like your idea that we try and tackle like, you know, within reason an animator a year. Yeah. At least for a year. Yeah. Maybe Salak next year. Hopefully the new one will be coming out. Right. That was sort of our thinking. Yeah.

[00:16:22] I think that's our thinking. I still like my Clements and Musker idea. I think it's a cool idea. I feel like there's someone else. Well, Bluth, of course. There's always Don Bluth. Right. Who was on our bracket. Right. And then there are people too.

[00:16:34] Like it's like, if Andrew Sand never makes another live action film, John Carter is such an incredible blank check. Stan is a great pick. And he's only like four movies right now. At this point. Right? Yeah. Nemo, Wally, John Carter. Yeah. Dory. Right. And you have two...

[00:16:52] Oh, I'm reading the... Oh, Forky to guest directed Finding Dory. Finding Dory is a good movie. Take that name out of your mouth. Pretty sure Forky directed that one. Hey, Finding Dory, gentlemen seven. It's a gentleman's five, point five at best.

[00:17:08] Finding Dory and I'm going to repeat this. On an equal plane with Incredibles 2. Oh, that's just ludicrous. That's the most insane thing. Is incredible. A year later... That's a fun challenge. Yeah. Incredibles 2 rules. Is that still your third favorite Pixar movie? I don't know.

[00:17:25] I need to watch them all. You at the time said... Third favorite. Yeah. No question. Third favorite. Maybe fourth. Got a lot of love for Wally. Maybe fifth. Inside out. No, it's above inside out. Story two would be the other one. Okay. I think.

[00:17:40] Why is everything going off on my device? David! I'm a mess. The polls up. In the words of Officer Lewis. I'm a mess. I'm a mess. Here's a thing though. I have had tangential familiarity with Lupin III for very long time.

[00:17:57] Okay, so hit me with that because I don't really, apart from this movie. I just feel like as such a comic book store kid, he was a figure that was like omnipresent in comic book store culture, especially in the 90s when there weren't as many big crossover anime.

[00:18:15] So this is just like late 90s when like Dragon Ball Z is starting to air on like TUNAMI. Yes, right? The mainstreaming, the vague mainstreaming in America. But like pre Naruto, pre One Piece, pre these things that start to really seep over, even like pre Pokemon.

[00:18:33] Pre Pokemon, sure. And I'm the kid who would like demand that we go to the comic book store after Little League Baseball. Sure. And then I'd stay there for an hour and a half and be like, this is my exercise. That's pretty cute.

[00:18:46] There was a lot of Lupin shit. Yes. He just seemed like this is the cool figure. Like this is like a cool character. He is cool. He's a cool thief who has a gun. Right. Here's just a well-dressed man with a shit eating grin inside burns. Yeah.

[00:19:01] Got kind of a weird haircut, but apart from that he's cool. Right. So I just feel like I was always very aware of like Cowboy Bebop. Sure. Sure. This Lupin the third and maybe what's it called Neon Genesis Evangelion.

[00:19:20] This always seemed like the one that I probably kind of like. Well the most grounded in a way, right? Yeah. No sci-fi elements. It's really just like capers. Right. He's based on the French gentleman thief, Arsene Lupin, who of course you're a big fan of.

[00:19:35] Well so this blows my fucking mind. Who's like, he's like the gentleman thief. He was created in like the turn of the century and you know he's got like a hat and a monocle. You're going way too fast. He's like, oh I steal your thing.

[00:19:50] David you're going way too fast. There's a bunch of stuff I want to talk about here. Okay. First of all, I love that the gentleman thief is a thing we can just say. You know the gentleman thief. The gentleman thief.

[00:20:01] The fact that the gentleman thief is an archetype. I stole it gentlemanly. This is something I've taken. I have a code. I've taken this for granted for so long and last night while doing In Bed In Between Diarrhea

[00:20:13] runs, a deep Wikipedia sort of searching through all the loop in marginalia, right? Yeah, which is deep. Right. A hundred years long if you go all the way back to the French stuff. Right.

[00:20:25] So then I was going into that Wikipedia and it said like, you know, Arnaud Lupin is a gentleman thief hyperlink. And I was like, right. The gentleman thief is such an important part of fiction. Yes.

[00:20:39] The guy in the tux who can go to a party, you know, can like hold witty conversations, can chat up a countess or whatever. But then also he's like, but actually I'm after your painting. I know. Ha ha, right? Like, you know, that sort of thing.

[00:20:56] I nicked it. I love these types of characters. The guy who steals Homer's sugar. Yes. I love these types of characters in like the late 1800s and the early 1900s who were just like, we all love the ongoing adventures of blank.

[00:21:09] And it's like, would you believe a thief is a gentleman? You know who's kind of a gentleman thief? Who? Carmen Sandiego. Kind of. She's kind of like a gentleman thief for the kids of our generation.

[00:21:22] Because it's kind of like, you know, we're supposed to be after her, but you're also kind of like, I feel like Carmen Sandiego is kind of cool and worldly. Yeah. Yeah. And she's kind of a Rapscallian. She's super well dressed. Yes, exactly. Right.

[00:21:35] That was the big loop in thing I remember as a kid. Like it was just like this guy looks cool. Very cool. Like the skinny suit. The little tie clip. Oh, I mean, I love a good mismatched suit in terms of colors.

[00:21:49] His friends are all like another type too. Like he's got these like scoundrel friends. I would dress like Lupin the third if I could. And what holds me up is I wish I had the body type to sell it the way that he does. You almost do.

[00:22:03] You're a skinny man. Tall, the really lengthy sort of stretch thing. And it's like the pre Wes Anderson, like the sleeves are up too high. Right. The pants are too short. The socks are showing. Like Lupin was like, was on that drip pretty early.

[00:22:19] So we also got raffles. I'm looking at some gentlemen thieves. Right. Who David Niven played. Monster of Urdo. I mean, that's a more modern gentleman thief. Dirty Ron Scoundrels. What's his name's characters? Well, but we're talking like a real old fashioned man who like infiltrates a ball.

[00:22:36] Describe what I'm doing to the listener at home. Daintly picking up like a cloth. Yes. It's like or a jewel. Simon Templars. You think I'm picking up the cloth what's underneath the cloth? The saint. The saint. I'm holding back the corners of the cloth.

[00:22:52] The saint is like our class. The Thomas Crown, you know, Thomas Crown Affair. That's gentleman thief. Right. But the time of tops and tails. Well, right. What Arsene Lupin is, he's right. He's literally in a top hat. Right.

[00:23:05] So here's this character that's like Phantom X or something who's like this like beloved French. Love Phantom X. Right. Why doesn't someone do a Phantom X movie? Phantom X is like vaguely in the Marvel Universe now. Yeah. Yes.

[00:23:17] So they should just put Phantom X in some Marvel movie. Well, they'll work all those guys in eventually, right? But yeah, let's do come on. Like well, John Deugeur Dunn is too old now, but you need some kind of French scoundrel guy. Fuck. You know who's up.

[00:23:29] Come on. Who's the guy? Romanderie. Oh, I'd love. You know what I mean? Like some kind of like scummy French guy. Phantom X is another one of these like like pulp French heroes who's like kind of a romantic cad. Yes. And is all stealth like. Uh-huh. Anyway.

[00:23:47] Anyway, these sorts of characters. So you've got those French gentlemen themes. Right. And then you have Lupin the Third. There is no Lupin the Second, right? No, no, the idea is just... The idea was just leave a generation space in between. Right.

[00:24:00] Or to catch up to the modern age, he's the third. Right. But there was this whole thing because the creator of Lupin the Third is Monkey Punch. Monkey Punch. It's his numb de plume. It's his mom. He just died. Is that the name of Monkey Punch?

[00:24:11] Uh, Kazuko Kato. Kazuniko Kato, sorry. Um, Monkey Punch who just died. And this character is not... Like literally last month he died. This character at the time is not part of the public domain in the way that Phantom

[00:24:24] X is, but it's sort of vaguely just kind of owned by everyone. Like people do so much shit with them that they were like, I don't know. We can do a guy who's like sort of inspired by him. Sure.

[00:24:34] So they like make this thing that's like, it's not James Bond Jr. But it's, that's kind of the vibe. But I love... There's a weird space in the fact that it like 100% acknowledges the past guy by name, but it's not a direct spin off of that franchise.

[00:24:50] It's not beholden to any past thing. Yeah. It's just sort of riffing off. I guess I would not be allowed to do James Bond the Third. Right. But could I do Simon Templar the Third? Like yeah, who could I do? Alan Korderman.

[00:25:01] Or it would be like doing Robin Hood like as a modern person. You could say that I guess. Right. Like his name's also Robin Hood, but he robs art gallery. The beach bum the third. You could do that.

[00:25:13] But what's weird about the fact that it was like this character was still vaguely protected under rights at the time and it's sort of like major fan section. I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. What if they did, what if they instead of fixing Sonic?

[00:25:27] Yeah. They were just like, actually this is Sonic the Third. That's why he looks different. It's like... They slowly start evolving. Right. Generationally. They start up with other Sonic so it's kind of inbred. That's why it looks like that. It's like their teeth are so long.

[00:25:41] Lupin is created in the late 60s. It's like a manga series by Monkey Punch. And then it spawns a media franchise. There have been I think six different shows on the main shows. More. I watched four episodes from the first show. Which Miyazaki worked on. Right.

[00:26:01] I watched the two first episodes that Miyazaki did not work on because I wanted to lay the land. Castle of Cagliostra. I'm going to fucking trip over this for two hours. Is the second theatrical Lupin the Third movie? That sounds right. Mystery of Mamo? Yes.

[00:26:19] Which I could not find any way to watch. Which came out a year before in 78. Right. So I was like if I can't watch the first movie, I'm going to watch some episodes of the TV show to get a sort of bread base.

[00:26:32] And I watched the first two episodes. You love saying bread base? I love bread base. I watched the first two episodes and then I watched the first two that Miyazaki directed. Because I also was like if I'm getting into this guy, A, if I'm getting into this guy

[00:26:46] Lupin, I want a little bit of a sense of what it would have felt like to watch the movie already knowing these characters. Even though I think this movie does a pretty good job of introducing everything. 100%. That's one thing that's so... This movie is just perfectly constructed.

[00:26:58] I agree. Spoiler this movie rules. But I wanted to just have a little vague understanding of what it would have been like coming to the movie with some understanding of the character. Right. And then I also wanted to see the difference between someone else directing this character, Miyazaki.

[00:27:17] Because Miyazaki's take on him is apparently a little different. A little softer, not quite as cruel. Yes. Yes. I think I'm just about to go hardcore into Lupin III. I think I'm going to start watching this every night when I go to sleep.

[00:27:28] I'm getting really into this guy. This anime, I feel like is often so great for us. It's short, it's bite-sized if you want to just tackle an episode or two. But I just love the setting of this world where it's like you have three primary characters

[00:27:42] who are defined by being the descendants of infamous types. Right, right, right, right. So, Jygan is kind of his own thing. Daisuke, yeah. Who's sort of a cowboy gangster riff. But he's sort of his own thing. He's my favorite. Of course, of course, of course.

[00:27:59] I also, he's sort of based on James Coburn and the Magnificent Seven is his leg look. Right. But the, what's in Gormand, the samurai character? Goman. Right. The first episode that Miyazaki directs is his introductory episode which is, he is the third. No, the 13th.

[00:28:17] He is the 13th Goman. You're correct. Yes, he's based on this legendary outlaw. In this episode, it is that his great grandfather was bested by the original Lupin. That sounds awesome. He's not the first of his lineage but he and Lupin the third hold similar places within

[00:28:35] whose legacies they're directly defending. And their two families have been fighting over this ancient sword for so long. And then the detective is based on sort of the legend of an infamous historic Japanese detective.

[00:28:48] And this character is vaguely also in the same way that all of these things are like riffing off of these vaguely somewhat public domain concept. The monkey punch designs are so cool. Awesome. Yeah. Like super, what's the word I'm looking for? Asymmetrical. There you go.

[00:29:06] My brain is melting. There you go. But I love that thing that it's like three people whose legacies precede them. But they also feel the burden of how infamous their family lineages are and their roles.

[00:29:17] Like your upcoming project or sorry, Dan Hernandez and Benji Samus are cleaning project about like all the serial guys getting together. It's sort of that. It's like what if we said we're like, yeah, what if Robin Hood's descendant and fucking this guy,

[00:29:29] you know, like, you know, name, you know, the Scarlet Pimpernell's descendant and this guy all hung out together, right? Whatever. And it's a thing that we don't really have in American culture. Let's do it.

[00:29:40] Because we have like five like infamous American families and they're all kind of creepy, just rich people. Sure. Like we have like the Ross Charles and like the Vanderbilt and the Kennedys. I hear this really exciting movie about the Ross Charles coming up. Oh, it sounds so good.

[00:29:54] The Getys. But that like... Well, there's that you're talking, yeah, sure. But there's also the classic American heroes like Davey Crockett or Wider or whatever. Where's Davey Crockett's great nephew? Do you know what I'm saying? Bring him in. I don't know what his deal with Davey is.

[00:30:08] I like in these cultures that have existed for so much longer than us. They're like, you know our classic characters. Yeah, right. We culturally are making stories about the updates who also are literally descendants of these characters. Right.

[00:30:23] But there's just such a clean structure to Lupin the Third, whether it's in a movie or a TV show. I say as if I'm an expert having watched, I don't know, four hours of content. Sure.

[00:30:34] Out of a 50 year media franchise that also came out of manga that I have read zero pages of. There. I am now an expert in Lupin the Third. You can call me Lupin the Fourth.

[00:30:49] This sort of sense of like he always starts out by like calling his shot. He publicly announces what he's going to steal. He's so confident that he can pull it off, that he tells the people who he's attempting to steal from that he's going to do it.

[00:31:06] And they know who he is and they're like, God damn it. Fucking you. No. We've been preparing for this moment. Right. Exactly. And then he's like, hold on one second. Got to call Interpol and then he calls up Interpol. Yeah. We're fine. Yeah. We're on it.

[00:31:20] And then the news comes right. He's going to steal something. Right. He always somehow gets away. Can I talk so before? And he's got these uneasy alliances. Sure. Because Dragon's obviously like his right hand man. Yeah. But then the character who pretends to be the familiar in this.

[00:31:37] Fujiko Mine. You mean the girl. Right. Yeah. That's her name, right? Fujiko Mine. Yeah. Yes. She's the girl. She's like the Bond girl. Right. She always looks different. Yes. She's got lots of like disguise changes for every movie or TV show or whatever.

[00:31:52] Where's the black cat suit sometimes? But she's like his foil. That's her archetype. And they're in love sometimes as implied in this movie. He's like the cat woman to his Batman or whatever. Her legions of chefs sometimes she's working with them sometimes they're double-crossing. You never know. Sure.

[00:32:09] I just, I like this whole world. I do too. Before we get into the plot of the castle of Kekeliostra, before we breach the walls of the castle, how about slight bits of context on Miyazaki? Please. And then I bought a book. Yeah.

[00:32:24] I bought two books actually that is they're trying to collect anything Miyazaki ever fucking wrote. That's what these books are. Okay. Like anytime you, if you wrote an article for like a magazine, you gave an interview, something like that. Right.

[00:32:37] They've packaged it all as like collections of essays. It's called starting point. I forgot what the other one is. You've been doing your work here. Cause I'll just say I was, I didn't know until recently, maybe two years ago that this was his first movie.

[00:32:50] This is his first feature. Right. I was like, wait Miyazaki directed a Lupin the third movie? Right. You assumed his first movie was Nazaka? Or you just wrote it. I didn't know. I just was like, that's weird that he started out making like the second

[00:33:03] film based off a TV show, based off a comic book because he becomes such an outlaw. Yes, it's on studio. It's all fully his idea. It's like if David Lynch's first film was like inexplicably like Smoky and the Bandit 3. Right. Right. But sometimes that's how it goes.

[00:33:19] Sometimes Prana 2. Prana 2. Right. I was going to ask David since Griffin talked about his relationship with the director. What's your relationship with him? It's boring. It's just that I saw Princess Mononoke whenever that was, which is probably the first movie. 1989. Yeah.

[00:33:35] The first of his movies to be like properly exposed from American audiences. Thanks to everyone. American hero. I feel like he messed with it in some way. But I remember I had a very fancy voice cast. A little bit of a story.

[00:33:45] Stars, a push and bail and Claire Danes or whatever. Right. I think he messed with it in a bunch of ways. I think he messed with it a lot. I remember opening up the Angelica and being like a sensation. Yes. Yeah.

[00:33:55] So I saw that and thought it was terrific. And then I saw Spirited Away when I was 16 in theaters as well. That was probably the first time I saw one of his films with the Japanese. Is there no film in between those two? No.

[00:34:06] So that's kind of his big gap. Like a five-year gap. I mean, that's the point at which he now, he would retire every day. Every time he says I'm done. Yeah. But so Spirited Away, I remember I saw that, the Canaanton Odeon in Britain where I grew up.

[00:34:19] I'm sorry. Wait. The United Kingdom. One second. Great Britain. Let's roll back. You saw Prince William. Spirited Away. Spirited Away. Was it Spirited Away? The second one. How old are you? The United Kingdom? It was in a series of kingdoms.

[00:34:34] It's the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Wait, but what? Is that... It's a country. It's a sovereign country. It's existed for about a couple thousand years. But why would you have gone that far away to see... Was it not playing anywhere within...

[00:34:49] I just said that Mononoke was playing at the Angelica, I would imagine. I saw Spirited Away. What? Grew up there. Oh my God. From the 1995 to 2008, I lived in Britain. So I saw Spirited Away in Britain where I lived at the Camden Town Odeon. Disgusting.

[00:35:06] In the big screen, Japanese dub... Where you have the Japanese version. I just took out a bagel. You did? Yeah. And that was the one... Like I had seen Mononoke and responded to it but that was the one where I was like...

[00:35:22] Why don't I know everything about this guy? Like wait a second. Like what is... This has turned my brain inside out. This is one of your guys. Yeah. But yeah, I mean there are people who are far better versed in him than I am. I just...

[00:35:35] I've just seen the movies and I love him. I'm gonna say you're one of his guys. I'm saying he's one of your guys. He wouldn't cite you as his best fan. No, he probably wouldn't. But you'd say he's one of your favorite filmmakers.

[00:35:45] He probably doesn't even know who I am. Don't say that. That's not true. I don't think he knows who I am. He definitely knows who you are. You think so? Oh my God. No question. He's a blanky. David, he thinks about you a lot.

[00:35:56] I don't even think he's a blanky. I think he's his favorite blank-shevain series. I think he was a big night-cheese fan. Yeah, sure. I think he likes James Elbrough. Yeah, yeah, right. That was him. He was like, right, I love the I'll Do Anything double episode.

[00:36:10] I didn't notice each Miyazaki ordering a Hello Fennel mug recently on our T-Public page. Yeah, maybe he'll make like a delightful film about a talking fennel. What if he comes out of retirement? The options... Hello Fennel.

[00:36:24] What if he comes out of retirement and we like see the announcement of his new movie and it's just about Ben? And we're like, wait a second. This is 100%. The producing adventure of young Ben. I think that would be the movie that would break him.

[00:36:36] He wouldn't be able to complete it. My new film concerns a magical fantastical creature who comes from a porch in New Jersey. One of the characters is a ditch. I mean, honestly, I'm getting into it. Yeah. Miyazaki. Born in 1941. Good year. In Tokyo.

[00:37:00] In Bunkyo, which is a town in Tokyo. Bad year. 41? Yeah. Historically. America enters the war. Yeah. Pearl Harbor. Yeah. There are some things that went down in that year. So I make sure I'm not on record as being a 1941 fan. I was thinking my dad was born.

[00:37:18] Okay, fine. A couple good things happened. Miyazaki was born then? Yeah. Two good friends. His dad worked for Miyazaki airplane. This is going to come up because Miyazaki loves his aircraft. He made rudders for fighter planes. Okay. So they lived a nice life. They were perfectly affluent.

[00:37:40] When he was three, they were evacuated to a town called Utsunomia. Utsunomia. Sorry. Just want to get that right. Crinkling his bagel. Utsunomia was then bombed by the Allies in 1945 and he witnessed that. Oh, it's just a bagel with butter. Yeah, a bagel boy. Yeah, sure.

[00:38:02] I love it. And so I think those are just things you got to note the attachment to aviation from birth and you got to note that he was traumatized by war at a very young age. He witnessed all this horrible stuff. His mom suffered from spinal tuberculosis.

[00:38:20] So she was in the hospital all the time. She was a nurse from home. That's going to be pretty crucial for movies like Totoro, which are about illness and family and things like that. She was a very strict woman, very distant I think.

[00:38:34] And he wanted to be a manga artist. From the get-go. That was always his dream. He struggled with people. Okay. But he was good at vehicles. That was his like... Oh, in general, I thought you meant socially? Oh, I don't know if he struggled with people socially. Visually.

[00:38:49] But he couldn't draw them. Interesting. He was a big fan of the people. He saw a film in 1958 called The Panda and the Magic Serpent. Okay. Two things we love, classic mash-up movie. And that was his lightning strike moment.

[00:39:11] He worked then he works as a young man at TOEI Animation, which is like the big animation studio I feel like. Right? It's still a huge deal. It's a big director. And that's where he meets Isau Takahata, who is the man he's going to found Ghibli with,

[00:39:29] the other big director. Have you ever seen any Takahatas? I don't think so. You know who he is? I know. Grave of the Fireflies. I've never seen Grave of the Fireflies. Only yesterday. Wow, you've never seen Takahata moves either. Of course. Why would you have?

[00:39:44] If you haven't seen Miyazaki's, right. He didn't do Princess Kaguya, did he? No. Oh yes, of course. What am I talking about? That was his last film. I saw that and loved it. Yeah, that movie is incredible.

[00:39:54] Which is one of the things that made me like go back. I should go back. I mean that movie is so like heart-rending. It's yes, very special. Kaguya I love and Grave of the Fireflies is like a big blind spot for me. Sure.

[00:40:08] Grave of the Fireflies is very good. It's very devastating. I think it's probably kind of in my wheelhouse. Yes, his best movie. Because of the devastation. Highly devastating. Yeah. His best movie is Only Yesterday. Okay. Which is one of my favorite movies of all time. Wow.

[00:40:22] Which is just about a girl who goes on like a retreat to a farm in her late 20s and remembers her childhood and all these sort of incidents from her childhood. Oh yes, they just re-released it recently.

[00:40:38] And she finally re-released it because Disney refused to put it out because they discussed menstruation in it. Wow. Yes. I mean that's always been the rumor I should say. It's not like Disney came out with a statement saying like, we don't like menstruation.

[00:40:50] But that was always thought of as the reason why Disney never put it out. Right. I mean Goofy came out with a statement. Well you look, you look, I think it's gross. That impression fell apart the second he started saying words. I could do the laugh kind of.

[00:41:04] Well you look, I still think it was a good premise. The premise is funny. But Takahara in 68 makes an anime film called The Great Adventure of Horus Prince of the Sun. These are all good titles. Yeah. Great title.

[00:41:20] Which is this insane movie, like super crazy adventure, very kinetic, very like colorful. Miyazaki works on that movie with him. And so that's when they're getting going. And they work together on The Wonderful World of Pussin Boots which is another classic

[00:41:37] Toei like 60s movie and they work together on the Lupin movies. Lupin however you want to say it. Yeah. On the TV show and stuff. I also want to do a Pippi Longstocking project that I think was fell apart when the rights

[00:41:52] holders were like no something like that. They do Heidi in the mountains. They do do that. I mean and they work on Anna Green Gables. They did an adaptation of Anna Green Gables which I've never seen. Interesting. Miyazaki loves landscapes. He loves nature.

[00:42:09] He loves old buildings, things like that. And now I'm going to read for you from this book. Yeah, I'm not fucking around. David's taking a leather bound volume. No I took pictures of it. It's choking up a key and I was using the key to unlock the book.

[00:42:26] Oh wait, her. The book is glowing. So first he says I began. Chip Smith is on the crest of the book. No no no don't bring him into Miyazaki. Maybe this will come up later. Maybe it's just a tease. I don't know what you're talking about.

[00:42:46] Chip Smith's family book. I'm going to create a conspiracy subplot this mini series. This mini series is going to have a very detailed narrative. Forkies at work here. That's what that voice is. Forkies my friend and he's your husband and I would appreciate it if you stopped

[00:43:05] airing our good friends. Tell it like it is. Play it all out there for about my relationships. I leave it on the table. All right here's what Miyazaki said. I began by drawing a bird's eye view picture of the setting for this story, a lake and

[00:43:21] a castle of a small country. When I completed this drawing I was confident the film would go well. I mean that's a great attitude. It is. So he like storyboards the whole movie. He gives it to a screenwriter who's the other credited screenwriter who like writes

[00:43:35] the plot and dialogue. It's not based on a specific like story. This is kind of his creation. I think it's vaguely inspired by a Lupin story but like pretty vaguely. Because this is what I was reading. It's very much his own idea I think.

[00:43:46] Is that at the time this film was not super well received within the- It was seen as like he's not hardcore enough. That was the thing. Within the canon of Lupin 3rd they were like he's acting too much like a hero.

[00:43:57] Because the thing he's stealing this time is a woman's heart. Get out of here. The treasure is the discovery of an ancient city. And she's like cool. Right. And people are like I want to see him make off with coins. A scepter. Dollars. Yeah.

[00:44:13] Much like of course our good friend Cheky Lupin's catchphrase is dollar dollar billio. Dollar dollar billio. He divided that he said he wrote the plot out and divided it into an A B C D. There were four like sections of the film.

[00:44:29] And as they were working they realized that a C was like it would the whole thing was way too fucking long. So that C was compressed and D was dropped. Interesting. Because of this compromise I felt a sense of psychological defeat for half a year after

[00:44:48] the completion of the film. Even so I do not think my method was a mistake. That's how he ends this little essay. So I guess whatever but it's like a hundred minute movie.

[00:44:57] I assume there was some kind of you know you can't go too long on these things. Then he also wrote this really long essay about Lupin in Animage about like the legacy of the character what was so cool about this Japanese people like at the time this very

[00:45:13] kind of like cowboy American guy who like drank like is he supposed to be American. He's supposed to be French isn't he. I don't know. That's what I'm so confused by. You know he has it's more that he has all these like Western right right.

[00:45:29] Being like cars and watches and brands and also. I don't know. That's your France. Put the book. I'm put the book from saying he's a little friend. I'm put the book from say when the Lupin series started here's really right. Okay.

[00:45:51] Japan was still in its shiurake or apathetic era. Lupin was considered conceived as a character who had inherited a fortune lived in a mansion didn't care about the rat race and worked as a thief just to because he was bored.

[00:46:06] You know it's like I know where he's like fuck you like not all I'm not a salary man and I only do this for fun right. I don't need the money. Yeah also I dress well. I get my green blazer. Yeah he does dress a lot of you.

[00:46:21] He does. He just he's he holds himself so well. So apathy means how he says was like the trend of the early 70s like that sort of you know the kind of like that's why Lupin is so like floppy. He's always sort of like reclining. He's grinning.

[00:46:39] He doesn't give a shit. It's got shit eating grin. There's Vietnam. Yeah right like this. Yeah it's like who cares all the rules are broken. He kind of like all of his like standing poses are like a marionette puppet.

[00:46:51] Like it's like these very like hard floppy angles if that makes any sense. Right. I know it's contradictory but he's both hard and floppy. You're right. Because it's like very clean lines and angles and then it's always sort of like

[00:47:01] in relaxing or like leaning or you know slouching poses or whatever. Now Miyazaki and Takahata says we were in the hungry stage of our career. We wanted to do whatever we could. Oh the hunger games. But they wanted to take him out of this apathetic mode.

[00:47:17] That's what they were thinking in 1978. Right. They want to take him care. We weren't ordered to do so. But even though apathy was still cool, we wanted the high energy of many car races. We wanted Lupin to be happy go lucky and upbeat.

[00:47:30] He would like run around in circles and like the inspector is the one who's kind of like the drone and Lupin's like wild. He would rely on his wits and his physical abilities and Gigan would be funny and cheerful and Gomon would be an anachronism and all that.

[00:47:46] And Fujiko would not be like sexy. She's called Fujiko referring to her large breasts. Oh funny. Referring to the mountain Mount Fuji. The mountain range. Her name is Fujiko love. What's her last name? Fujiko. Fujiko Mine. Oh, OK. Mine. Yeah.

[00:48:03] And in all that you know and he's trying to like let's let's make it less fucking cynical like let's make it more fun. So. And it feels a little more classical. I mean there's like this the whole thing the movie I'm sorry just like a Bible. He did.

[00:48:16] But the whole thing to this movie of being like modern characters in this like very classic archetypal like here's a castle. There's a princess in the spire. It's very right. Yes, totally, totally. You know, but who's going to break in not a knight in shining armor

[00:48:31] but this cool thief guy. Although he wears a little armor. Yes. And so yeah, like that's the mini car races. He keeps talking about mini car races whatever those are pilot episodes him at a car race. Right. And he loves that little fiat he drives.

[00:48:48] He's a fast driver. I mean the movie opens with them driving away from Monte Carlo. Yeah. And their car is so full of money that like the only thing that you can see in the car except for the money is their face.

[00:49:00] It's like a clown car with dollar dollar bill. It's so great. I mean, check I watched the movie with checkie and he was loving this work. He was like he was so he's cool. I know that guy. I know that guy. I know that. So they're driving away.

[00:49:13] Yeah. And they're like haha and then then he's like fuck get rid of it. Yeah, it's counterfeit. It's all this isn't real and you know they roll in the windows money and is like never stops flowing out. I love it.

[00:49:25] It's like it's like the exhaust pipe of the car is just like an endless stream of counterfeit bills right and it was such good counterfeiting that even like a casino thought it was right. Right. How did this infiltrate a state run casino? Great premise.

[00:49:40] And then the answer to that is there's this castle that's a country and is thus protected from like any international law. Where is it exactly? I think it's supposed to be like Lichtenstein or whatever. San Marino like one of the yeah which is in Italy, you know

[00:49:54] one of those nation states that's like just the city size. OK, where like I've never heard of the country before. It's not real. What? God, I wish. Oh shit. Ben has kayak dot com open. He was trying to book a flight to Keglia Ostrow.

[00:50:12] I wanted to see it look beautiful. That's why he's been refreshing for an hour. That's why he's been in his Delta air miles. There's blood on his keyboard from hitting refresh over and over and over again. Yeah, no Keglia Ostrow is not a real place.

[00:50:26] Yes, San Marino right? You know one of those tiny sure it opposite of Coruscant. Whole planets and city no. Oh whole cities a country. Yeah. Whole castles a country. Whole country is a castle. So it's just a grand duchy. He knows about this place.

[00:50:44] He immediately he puts it together. He's like hey, Keglia Ostrow. First off, stop shedding tears for this counterfeit money because second of all, this gave me an idea for our next ties. Right. I know where we got to go. We don't even need this counterfeit right.

[00:51:02] This is lose it. Get out of here. So they're driving. They see this young woman who's being pursued by like a car. And she's a bride and the car is being driven by dogs. And Lupin rescues her and they like is that when they sort of

[00:51:23] like run down the cliff together? Yeah, yeah, I'll say this. Miyazaki great at designing angry grimaced faces. Oh sure. Yes. So good at it. Yeah. Disgruntled, withered, frog face people. They're only going to get weird. I know that. Like I just know from seeing images of his movies.

[00:51:47] This is his cheapest movie, but it's very hard to do. I mean, it was made for 500 million yet in 1978. I don't know. Yeah, I have no idea how to translate that. I'm going to try and figure that out. But yeah, come on.

[00:52:02] Give me like this is the latest Clarisse. Right. But it's like who is this lady? Why were they chasing after her? Right. And he sort of. How did I lose her in a very subtle way to like early on that

[00:52:15] he has this sort of like past relationship with her? Right. I really like how they remember that up, right? Or even he's not telling his friend and they kind of wrestle each other to like get him out of like get the info out of

[00:52:28] him because he doesn't want to talk about what he's done before. Right. Right. He wants to stay focused on the future. Sure. But it's clear there's a reason he knows about this castle. There's a reason that she's reminded him of something. Right. Spoiler alert.

[00:52:41] He like, well he eventually confesses that he tried to invade this castle years ago when he was more of a green horn. You know, when he was new to the Thiemen biz. Green horn. You never heard that phrase? No. I'm going to make sure I'm using it right.

[00:52:55] Green horn. Green horn informal North American, a person who is new or inexperienced at a particular activity. Wow. A green horn. Negative. The horn of a newly slaughtered animal. Oh, it's literally referring to a green, a horn that is fresh.

[00:53:17] Or this is, that's one hypothesis for where it comes from. Another is the German expression Grün hinter den Oren, which means to be green behind the ears. Wow. You learn something new every day. That is crazy. Did you know that, Ben? Have you heard that phrase? Yeah.

[00:53:37] Green horn. I know I want to make a money that's like a green horn versus a blue beard. What was the blue flame special? That's the other one we couldn't really figure out. Yeah. The point break. I've seen a lot of people dig into it.

[00:53:52] They never came up with an answer. No. They gave us answers, but it would only provoke more question. Yeah. Like they'd be like, oh, it means he has blue flames shooting out of his ass. And I'm like, well, what does that mean? Where'd that come from? It's special.

[00:54:04] It's right there in the name. Clarice. He didn't want to talk about it because it's like, you know, much like DJ Khaled, all Lupin the third does is win. He's never chalked up a big L. All he does is win. It's another one for him.

[00:54:21] And this was a failure of his. Keckliostro beat him. Can we just talk about DJ Khaled for like one second? Yeah. You because you recently, you had never seen DJ Khaled until the SNL performs. I'd never seen him perform.

[00:54:34] And obviously I'd seen him in like gifts and stuff. Now, same here. You always hear him in this song. No, no, no, I didn't know about that. Right. That's what David wants to talk about. He did something. He does not. He does nothing. But what the fuck?

[00:54:47] He's a producer. I refuse. He throws a party. He essentially throws a party and he goes like, you're invited to this song and then has seven massively successful and talented artists just take turns. And he stands there and goes like, he's like a ringmaster.

[00:55:04] Well, there's a tradition to that in hip hop. Yes, there is. They're being like very like prominent producers who put out their own album and then curate the artist. You know, go on the track. I guess kind of an ultimate heightening of it, though.

[00:55:19] But he's the worst version. How much he makes himself the star of the thing. Right. And how bad the songs are. And also how little work he does. Yes. Like usually it's a little more towards the middle in terms of like, but really it's about these other people.

[00:55:31] And also I'm very hands on. And he's just sort of like, hey, next Thursday at four o'clock, if you're free, can you come by? We're just going to have the mics on. And then like Little Wayne shows up. Here's what I'd known about.

[00:55:43] And then Joss's verse and then he's like cool. All of his shit's just improvised where he just goes like, number one. Improvised. That is an insult to Del Close or whoever the fuck. He gets very defensive when people are like, you don't really do anything.

[00:55:57] And he's like that. Try listening to the songs without my interjections. Probably they'd be bad because they're bad. Yeah. All right. So here's what I first knew about him, that there were like gifts of him saying like, congratulations, you played yourself.

[00:56:09] And I'm like, oh, he's like a big guy with a beard. Right. And I guess that's his vibe that he tells people that they played themselves. Right. I don't even. Talked out after the third wing on Hot Ones. Well, that's something I learned.

[00:56:18] No, no, no, we're getting to that. Cheeto. Cheeto. We're getting like, okay. We're getting to that too. Because he started out local radio DJ. He was actually spinning records, introducing songs. I didn't really know that, but I learned that later. Also started out skinny. Is that true? Yeah.

[00:56:32] Really? It's fairly handsome when he's gone. Out of Miami, correct? Correct. I'm so glad that DJ competent is occupying real estate in the fucking castle. You have got nails, bro. Yeah. So like, I guess I first just initially thought like,

[00:56:50] he's either on a reality show or a musician and has built up some sort of a brand to someone who tells you that you played yourself. He's sort of a calm, large man who says congratulations. You played yourself. I thought he... Then, no.

[00:57:05] You can talk in a very specific manner that he's trying. Then I knew that there was something to do with keys. I didn't know what exactly, but I knew that he like either gave you keys or had a key. I don't even know this. He gives out keys?

[00:57:16] It's... I don't even... He's always talking about fucking keys. He's the keymaker. The thing he invented where he's like keyed up is like some kind of positive sort of like thing he invented. I don't remember. Like Matrix Reloader? No. It's not... I wish it was like that.

[00:57:31] It's not the Keymaster. The Keymaster. Okay. Keymaster, right. No, and he also wrote a self-help book. So what I was going to say is I felt like... All I do is win. That's all his bullshit, right? I felt like he was pivoting into like Andrew W.K. territory

[00:57:46] of being like this weird pseudo motivational speaker. Sure. But now I don't think he's like moved away from that somewhat. Or I think people don't like that he doesn't eat, you know, if he doesn't go down to the women. All right. Well, so here's the thing.

[00:58:00] So then I know he has something to do with keys. Yes. Then I know about maybe like songs like All I Do is Win. I realized like, oh, he's involved. At least I've heard of that song, right? Like, you know, these things like that.

[00:58:10] Then I'm like, I guess he's a musician and he has albums and he's famous. And for me to not know who musician is, is not that weird. Same here. I'm not that keyed in. Same here. Keys. Anymore. Well, OK. Then I hear that he famously doesn't eat pussy.

[00:58:25] And I'm like, that's insane. One, too much weird. Then I watch the clip and I'm like, he's proud of it. Like what is this? This is when I take note as well. Exactly. This is when he's got my attitude sucks.

[00:58:37] I don't do that because no one knows what he is. He's like really what he does. Like he's the king and I'm like, what kind of fucking bullshit is this? And they say like, but what about your wife? Isn't she the queen?

[00:58:47] And his only response that is, yeah, but I just don't do that. Yeah, right. Which I'm just like, OK, so he's obviously an asshole. Very generous man. Right. And then you're telling me things like, you know, the wings thing.

[00:58:58] And I'm like, OK, so he's just like a charlatan. He's like pulled the wool over all our. He taps out after wing three and then spends the remaining 20 minutes explaining why he didn't lose. Yeah. Then we discuss this on a page. It's a logical fantasy guys. Right. Yeah.

[00:59:10] Not everyone would have listened to that. Right. So so then. All right. Then finally the day comes. He's on Saturday Night Live. And his television program. They said I'd never make it. Sure. DJ Khaled on that show. And I'm like, OK. He's had this narrative for like 10 years.

[00:59:25] They wouldn't book him on the show. And now I finally get to prove my point. It's the finale. Big deal. You know, Paul Rudd is hosting. It's a fairly bad episode. Very bad. Kind of a waste of Rudd. Yeah. Opens with this incredibly lackluster Trump sketch even by

[00:59:40] their things where they sing Don't Stop Me Now. I would argue the two funniest sketches in the episode were DJ Khaled performed. Right. So I was busting it. God, you know, after like a lackluster 35 minutes, right, you know, I guess it's time for DJ Khaled. He comes out.

[00:59:54] Here I am. I'm finally going to see a song by his dress like an uncle at Margaritaville. Right. 100 percent. Yeah. A thousand percent. Yeah. And he proceeds to invite other rappers onto the stage. They rap and he points at them says their name.

[01:00:10] And then after they say something says yes. And we're talking like 10 rappers per song. Yeah. And we're also talking. And they're like I've heard of some of them, some of them I haven't, but I assume they're big deals, right? Like some of them I know.

[01:00:24] We're also at this point talking about an SNL performance from three months ago. And I'm just, I'm just like how can this be? I understand. How did this guy drunk his president? A role in spies in disguise. That is that's just that's just the core of our confusion.

[01:00:41] It's just a shame. You're telling me so so immediately I go this guy's got so little talent. He's in the first credit block for spies in disguise. Who did he have to go down on in order to get that part? He won't do it.

[01:00:52] But then you tell me. You won't do it. Whose hot wings did he have to eat? None. You tell me. He's not eating neither wings nor fushine. How did he get this role? Get the man and here's nothing for a guy who on the

[01:01:08] record doesn't eat a lot of things. Sure. How to get that curve. He's a big guy. I'm not going to. I'm not going to every time I see him on camera. He's saying I won't eat that. That's all I'm saying.

[01:01:18] He's just out of a brand of I won't eat that. But like I kind of I don't I'm cool with the that he's a big guy because I kind of I feel like it's a good look. He's kind of got that sort of dawn vibe you know like

[01:01:29] kind of dawn. You know what I mean? Yes. He rocks the fuck out of a sweatsuit. Yeah, he's got the sweatsuits. He's got the big beard like he's got a good look. He's comes out. People are just coming on stage and doing work.

[01:01:41] He's introducing them and say he's like someone at like a fucking coutillion like announcing like Mr. And Mrs. Blah. You know right as they come in. He's the bar mitzvah DJ. Count of Kaleo Stroz here. He is a bar mitzvah DJ bringing up relatives to like the candles.

[01:01:56] That's what he is. And then here's Aunt Janice. Here's what a fool I am. I watched this first performance and I'm so baffled that I'm like maybe that you had a meltdown on Twitter. I did and I'm like and people are just treating it

[01:02:11] me like DJ Khaled keys and I'm like this is not helpful but I guess you're all in on the joke. Which is I guess how we just perceive a society now where someone gets famous and rather than us being like how did this happen?

[01:02:23] We're just like I guess that's funny that they're existing. But it Ben said also like he made this transition will really blew him up in the last four or five years was his like skill at social media and turning himself into this brand and this big life coach.

[01:02:34] Right. But then he's also like no but I insist that you take me serious as a musician. Yeah. He's not watch me chip on his shoulder right but he only points to people right but here's what a fool I am a fool.

[01:02:46] Yeah is that I watched that first performance was so baffled and was like you know what I guess that was probably just one of his songs that's heavy on the featured artists and maybe for the second song like 99.9 percent.

[01:03:02] Maybe for the second song it'll be more of like a collared point to himself. Yeah he'll be maybe he has a verse. Yes a mere verse. He does not rap the second one could start. So it's the same fucking thing at one point he says

[01:03:16] Saturday Night Live which is the show he's on. I've been watching the show for an hour plus. I know what the show is. I had in his defense. I had forgotten that you were like oh you locked in. You're like oh this is my right.

[01:03:28] Just I don't understand it. He has never wrapped. Okay he. He used to actually. Congratulations to him I don't know. He used to actually spin the records himself. Sure he does not either at this point. Yeah he is not a very hands on producer.

[01:03:43] No his the basics of his job are inviting the people. Literally like if you're free on Thursday we're having a cookout. Well he has engineers. Whenever it's got engineers make the track for him. Right and then he invites the people over which at

[01:03:58] this point it's like he's got a golden Rolodex. And then he fucking calls out who is the person rapping at that moment. Which look as someone who's listening to rap music my whole life sometimes especially when you're younger days you

[01:04:10] might hear a verse and be like you know I don't know who this is like maybe like the song would have like free artists featured and take your while to figure out who each of them was. But someone like your Dr. Dre. Okay the good Dr.

[01:04:21] Dre PhD started out as a rapper of his own produced was hands on producing. Sure. When he would pick a new person he might take a verse. When he had his own albums he'd have a lot of featureings but you knew how his music it was.

[01:04:34] Nobody sounded like you knew what he was adding to the jumble. DJ Khaled is basically like the voice on my like wireless earphones that's like connected to David's iPad. Correct. Right and then like DJ Khaled meek mill and I'm like OK that's DJ Khaled was speaking and he

[01:04:50] announced meek mill. And it's like if the voice on your Bluetooth headphones was like by the way I am the artist of this song not the and I'm great. Right. You're like no I'm listening to the white album and it's like I know but through my head.

[01:05:01] Yeah I'm giving it to you. This is mine. Let's talk about the podcast. Probably a good ad point there. What a good ad break that was. You've got Clarice. Yeah she's going to get married. She's actually quite shy and retiring. You got the count. Uh-huh. A great bill.

[01:05:22] Oh boy. This guy is a jerk. What. What a grump is this guy. He's a real grump. Talk about a chingus. Beautiful. No chungus. Chungus. Sorry. Not chingus. I don't know what a chingus would be. He's a big chungus. Got a big purpley right like a jacket.

[01:05:39] Right like that's sort of his vibe. A wide frog face. Which as you say is just. I mean it's like he's special. Yeah right. He's very like for someone who is bad at faces. What a face. Well he kind of makes that into his like maybe

[01:05:56] he's bad at your conventional faces. I mean but also his wedding look. His wedding look. That was my look for the wedding before. When you married for him. I was wearing the fucking purple cape. Purple cape and like a wood of Bahamut or whatever this goat god is.

[01:06:12] Yeah. Um yeah so he's got kind of the red jacket purple ready you know and then later he has more of a sort of like. Military uniform like a sort of red coat right like with the with the gold buttons. Um count he's a jerk. Yes.

[01:06:28] Um and Lupin does the classic I am going to steal Clarice from you. I'm calling it. I'm throwing down the gauntlet. I'm stealing Clarice. He brings in Gaumann. This time is the greatest treasure of all. A woman whose love you do not deserve.

[01:06:42] Um obviously the count is like mass producing fake currency at his castle so there is that. Which Lupin doesn't really care about that. Well but he also. That's the thing. But he knows that the inspector is going to follow him wherever he goes. Yes.

[01:06:57] And he knows that by bringing the inspector's attention. Chaos stir up some chaos. Yeah. But I do love that right. He's like cool plan is get the samurai guy get Gaumann. Yeah. He'll chill with us. Mm hmm. Uh figure out immediately that lady is my old romantic rival.

[01:07:14] Right. Uh Fujiko so like. That's what I like about Gaumann and Fujiko is both of them sort of have that like name or a fantastic war relationship. Right. Where they're like I got my own thing going on. But sure. I have my own legacy to uphold. Right.

[01:07:26] Sometimes we could work together with it benefits both of us but sometimes you might think I'm working for you. Right. But I ain't. Um exactly and then he tips off the inspector. Yeah. For who works for Interpol. What a boss mode. Yeah.

[01:07:41] Just be like hey this is Lupin the third calling for the inspector. Uh just want to give you heads up that I'm about to steal some stuff call me back when you get a chance. Um on my landline or on myself.

[01:07:53] And the inspector is just like wants to get Lupin. That's his goal. Uh. Which I mean God one of those things I just love any time that someone's life is devoted to catching someone it's one of my favorite storytelling. Especially when you know he can't. Yes.

[01:08:09] You know like the eternal frustration right like there's something sort of lovely about that great characters in the annals of storytelling. You're Wiley Coyote. We love him. You're inspector. We respect. Uh Carl Tarts the chief. Um shoes. Uh officer hand ratty. Catch me if you can. Sure.

[01:08:29] Any of these guys who are just like defined by like I'm this close and the guy always gets away from me. Right. Um and then there's all kinds of business. Yeah. In the castle.

[01:08:40] I'm trying to remember what I guess it's like he makes it to Clarice he's got her ring for special ring. And he sort of announces to her he's like I just want you know I got a whole plan going. Going on. I'm totally right.

[01:08:50] Getting you out of here. Right. And explain sir like I'm a thief. I rule and she's like like the James Cohn movie and he's like exactly. I'm going to pinch you. Yeah he pinches her.

[01:09:03] Um and that I mean I just like that he gets dropped down a trapdoor. I'm just trying to remember if anything big else big happens before he gets dropped down a tent. So apart from this is there in which this movie started to really get me all jazzed.

[01:09:16] Because it's cool castle. Well this is what I was going to say. Mm-hmm. The fantastic four movie that's existed in my mind since I was fucking 12 years old that I like tried to write in high school and all these things. Right.

[01:09:25] The whole big idea was that the third act was like. At Dooms Castle. Yeah and it was like this. And he's playing I want you back. That was a part of it. Uh pre uh. I just like that idea.

[01:09:36] I mean it could be a different song I just like the idea that he's playing the pop song that Reed used to like. That was it was that they were college roommates. And that he while he was trying to study would be forced to listen to Reed play.

[01:09:47] I want you to rap back over and over again. And so he was. Marvel. I'm just saying. This is pre Guardians of the Galaxy. I know but I'm just saying Marvel like. You have it now they're going to eventually enter the fucking world.

[01:09:58] Do you know how many friends like uh like called me up in text and after Guardians came out. And they were like hey that right I want you back right yeah. Because I'd be like no but it's like a superhero movie but they use like pop songs because

[01:10:09] they were obsessed with the pop song. Right. And not give myself any credit. I'm just saying. Oh I mean someone was going to do it eventually. It's always good to do it eventually. Right. Um but the idea of. Aesthetically classic castle. Right. History of this country. Right.

[01:10:23] But all the weird like trap. Sort of like a death maze. Uh mechanical like when they have that like extend a bridge. Yeah. And all the trap doors in the tunnels. I was like I want to see fucking superhero movie that ends with four superheroes.

[01:10:40] In like a fucking old school stone castle. Yeah. That has weird robot traps and like buzz saw elevators buzz saw. Do you know what work do you know all of that shit. And so like when I was like oh fuck.

[01:10:53] Also has like crazy soldiers with like knife hands and armor. So like I was just yeah I was like this is the movie that's existed in my head. Since I was like an adolescent right and now I'm watching this fucking gentlemen thief. Yeah.

[01:11:07] See I had a similar town. I had a similar kind of thought but I was like mega man love mega man. Oh interesting and how you could like I don't know like I just think that's what mega man.

[01:11:18] And property and just like like how could be working on a mega man movie. Are they really. I think someone I think they have to be there's a new TV show. Maybe there has to be a mega man movie in the works.

[01:11:28] You got to do mega man next Tommy Lee Jones has to play boomer Kiwonga. But also so much of Mario is the Bowser's castle. I mean just these sort of like here's an incongruous kind of character type placed into a weirdly like stylized castle.

[01:11:45] Yeah supposedly Henry Jusyn Ariel Schulman are working on all for it love nerve weird. You ever seen nerve. I haven't seen nerve. Oh I got to hit the nerve. Do I got to hit that nerve. Yeah you'd love it. You'd love it. Okay.

[01:12:01] I also think paranormal activity three is fantastic. I agree with you on that. And that's them too. Yeah they also do paranormal activity four which is less fantastic didn't see. Of course. Of course.

[01:12:13] But if you carry a bunch of copies of nerve you could say you have a lot of nerve. I mean yeah.

[01:12:19] You know what you could say if I if I stole one from you if I like shoplifted I just sort of pick pocketed one for taking my last nerve. Well I pinched him. It was worth it. It's worth it. It's not bad. Not bad at all.

[01:12:36] Not better than Ben's thing which by the way was a catastrophe. But got there. One thing I like I remember before we get to the trap door right is when Lupin's like on the other tower and he's got this gadget that he's going to use.

[01:12:51] He's trying to light it. Yeah. And then it just all falls apart and he has to he just runs down and does crazy jumps very Mario asks sort of crazy platform jumps from castle to castle. And then climbs up the wall.

[01:13:03] But I also love me is like he loves all that physicality. Parkour. Yeah. I love that he like he's somewhat of a bugs bunny figure. Yes he is. In that he's just like this little fucking stanker.

[01:13:14] He's super chill but he's often kind of right at the edge of sanity or right. Right. And it's like he's high status because he kind of remains on phase. Yes. But he's also usually in danger and not near death. Near death. Yes. Right.

[01:13:31] He just takes weird things out of his pockets. His jacket is full of firecrackers. It'll work out. Right. It'll be fine. But also the like the bugs bunny thing. Jack full of firecrackers is an amazing amazing.

[01:13:41] The bugs bunny thing of like sometimes like Daphys kind of an ally. Sure. And sometimes he's totally an enemy. Right. Like bugs constantly has like a couple people on his tail and a couple people who like their allegiances could shift. Right.

[01:13:55] And I was like Lupin the third is just like bugs bunny in a clean suit. Good tank. And he that's your way in. Yeah. It's a great way in. Yeah.

[01:14:05] And when they're running I just feel like the running feels so like Hannah Barbera to move to a different cartoon world just because I'm trying to fucking build a bridge back to races.

[01:14:12] The American cartoons that I loved in these movies that I've always had a hard time getting into.

[01:14:16] But I just feel like when Lupin is like running away from shit the like flailing arms and legs and everything feels very like a Scooby and Shaggy running out of the house. Well also yeah. And like what's it called.

[01:14:27] G-Gan get it being like I've got this gigantic gun all of a sudden right where he's like that'll deal with it. He could tell like an anti tank gun. Yeah.

[01:14:36] You know it's a comical and the stylization of G-Gan just like constantly like you never see the top half of his head. Right. Like a bent. Right. It's always about to fall out. It's mostly ash like all of that sort of like defying physics. Right. Yeah.

[01:14:54] But I guess so the inspector rise at the same time he gets put down a trapdoor. So they're both now down and Lupin gets put down the trapdoor. And you know I love any story in which rivals have to work together. They're forced. I fucking love it.

[01:15:07] To work together. Lupin goes down the trapdoor and he's basically just sort of like waits for the inspector to show up. He's like oh he's probably here. Yeah. He's sort of just tapping his watch. There's skeletons. Skeletons. Skeletons. Skeletons.

[01:15:19] Who have like carved their own like headstones and then died. Bunch of bones man. I love that. What was the last good haunted castle movie? Good question. It was a big question I kept asking myself watching this. That's a world we should be living in more.

[01:15:35] I just googled movies set in castles. Yeah. Amazing how the internet always tries to rise the occasion for you. You know. Castlevania wasn't good right. The TV show. I don't know. I just know there's a castle.

[01:15:49] It wasn't that good but I mean if they made a Castlevania movie you could have a lot of fun with that. Yeah. I mean I'm into any castle property. Give me your there's nothing right. I don't fucking know. There's nothing. We need more castle movies.

[01:16:01] I mean it's probably like how was moving castle now is probably the last good movie with a castle. Yeah. Even like yeah we're not even getting those like English. I mean Game of Thrones. I guess that kind of sat on castle territory for a long time.

[01:16:16] You know what I mean? There is that show Castle too. Oh that was the last great. Of course that was the last great. You know. Nathan Fillion the answer was in front of the wall.

[01:16:28] Of course because I'm looking up these castle lists and it's all like horror movies from the 60s. You know it's your Vincent Price type movies. Right. It's Pit in the Pendulum. Pit in the Pendulum. 13 ghosts the original not the remake. No I know.

[01:16:43] There was that weird rush of Vincent Price remakes. So many yeah there's Mask of Red Death. House of Hunts and Hill was a Vincent Price. Oh you mean the remakes. Right that's what I'm saying. Yeah. The keep is on this list. Vincent Price rolls. Yeah he's cool. Yeah.

[01:16:57] Dr. Phoebe's you ever see that? No I've always wanted to. Believe that's the movie that Camille shows Zoe Cazanne in The Big Sick. It is. As his like special movie. And I saw Big Sick with my sister Romley. Sure.

[01:17:10] And when he said like you know do you want to go back to my place and watch the movie I just felt it my bones and I said I bet you it's going to be a bond with Dr. Phelps. Hell yeah.

[01:17:17] And she was like what did you just say and then I cut to the screen I was like I called in she was like nothing you're saying matters. Shut up. I'm watching a film why do you feel proud of yourself.

[01:17:26] Hey David I have a question about the movie. Can you explain the counterfeiting and the history of the money and stuff. Please explain why I eat another bagel piece. I couldn't really understand it or I kind of did but I could

[01:17:41] grasp it 100% I feel like you're the rule. What are you trying to what are you asking me I don't understand what's you know you guys don't get counterfeiting well no counterfeiters is there like a it's been going on for 5000 years and well this is in our family

[01:17:55] history idea is it's like they're their own country so no one can prosecute them because they are like themselves diplomatic community right and it's like the only people who could prosecute them would be like

[01:18:09] the police of keg leostro who are owned by the family right like you know it's like so that's why Interpol in this movie is like we can't do anything about it's not you know it's not crossing borders so like it's not our problem

[01:18:22] but then it's implied what was that what's actually going on is that a lot of countries are buying the counterfeit money and so they want to keep it hush hush you know there is on the grift that is the answer I wanted I did not

[01:18:36] there's that crazy scene where there's all the diplomats are at Interpol with like little flags on their lapels talking to each other and the inspectors trying to be like this guy has like a printing press and he makes counterfeit

[01:18:47] money of like every country and they're like yeah but you know it's like you know who's going to prosecute him and like I don't know and then someone's like and also the Soviet Union totally bought some in the Soviet Union

[01:18:58] guys like these are Western lies and like you know he's like mocking the Cold War and is it right like all that stuff and then Lupin steals all their little flags right there's that moment where he makes the flower

[01:19:11] for the girl that pulls all the flags yeah yeah he's like a close-up magician he's one of those that's that's confidence that you flirt using close-up magic that is high confident we talk about I don't know if this is like

[01:19:23] just like an obvious stand-up routine that everyone's doing now right Dylan Butler buddy lives in Toronto okay I saw him a couple months ago and he was talking about how he was rewatching the X-Men cartoons

[01:19:38] love them which I know you're a big fan of and he was like it is very sobering to re-engage with 90s X-Men as an adult and realize that Gambit is the kind of guy you would move away from at a bar yeah Gambit's a problem

[01:19:52] that as like a child you're like this is the apex of cool and as an adult you're like he's constantly wearing a duster indoors he insists on doing magic tricks he does he calls all women like darlin and sweetie his eyes are red

[01:20:06] yeah but I mean Gambit like a pickup artist yes he is but even at the time Gambit was a person that only children thought was cool like even when Gambit was introduced I feel like older fans were like this guy is corny yeah

[01:20:20] but kids were like Gambit's cool I want to be Gambit when I grow up yeah and so X-Men were like all right more Gambit and then people were like no and X-Men was like fine less Gambit less I take my duster off I hang up my playing

[01:20:33] cards I should mention that has been dressed like Gambit this entire episode and keeps throwing playing cards at my head he's got that weird like head calling me monami you're ready like it just covers the back of your neck

[01:20:47] he's got a weird costume right cuz it got that dude his ears poke through his ears poke through and his hair pokes out right the new season is visible it's his neck in the back of his head but his face is like he's got like a window

[01:21:00] frame yeah it's very strange new season of Wolverine podcast he's gonna make an appearance is that true yeah because they're now it was in Alaska then they're going back to when he was in New Orleans okay he's gentlemen he is a classic

[01:21:14] Gambit he is he's that architect do you know who is playing a gambit have you submitted yourself no you could be Gambit Ben could sound like Gambit could he not sure I mean I think most sorry come on that was perfect perfect

[01:21:32] you just want most sorry oh my god you can do it too I'm pretty sure that the gambit what's there should be a pirate X-man there should there's never been one cut throat sounds good name for an X-men right I love it little intense but I love it

[01:21:54] yeah oh yes X-men never have intense names there are characters whose hands are knives warbird love warbird and warpath as well right a lot of war X-men that's true warpath he's a Thunderbirds brother anyway this has been another

[01:22:11] episode of X in the city love it if you just wanted to every one of these things you say you could just start your own little fucking like 17 podcasts like you do your every level really start getting in trouble for me then I'm like okay

[01:22:30] we're doing the every level Mario right we're doing Donkey Kong Country 3 yeah we're doing an X-men podcast why is there another one it's a good start um they make a pact down in the dungeon together they overpower

[01:22:46] the assassins together they escape enemy my enemy is my friend cool sequence with the frog men yes you know where Lupin takes them down under water and then like pulls the henchmen underneath henchmen suits are so cool so fucking wet crime

[01:22:59] and this is off the charts it's so good very good dungeon crime yes it's got some DDC it's got a moist a moist energy to it throughout moist felonies and they get in that whirling gig the auto gyro you know right to start a whole

[01:23:18] like distraction which I'm in the fight but I immediately go well this is some Miyazaki shit the fact that they're in some crazy like aerial vehicle I was like this is this is his thing arrow birds and what was I gonna say this is this is

[01:23:35] where like Lupin's almost gonna rescue her he gets shot yeah she trades the ring to save his life she's a merry me keep him alive and then Fujiko fucks everything up so Lupin gets to escape yeah but you know it basically means

[01:23:52] that we get to have the cool awesome final set piece right which is like them disrupting the wedding and the inspector using Lupin as like a way in right to investigate the counterfeiting which is what he really cares about at this point

[01:24:08] right which I love that I love the whole interpole thing I love that whole weird subplot yeah I love that Lupin is his ally in that in doing crimes he can investigate Lupin adjacent crimes yes love all that but he always

[01:24:21] thinks I'm gonna on top of it get Lupin I'm not settling for looping adjacent crimes right but you know and which which as I think you love too as we're talking about any movie about like a cop criminal relationship or whatever it's

[01:24:35] like the thrill is the hunt yeah the movie's gonna end with Lupin getting away and the cop chasing him and being like hey I'll get you you know like and it's like the eternal right yes right he wouldn't know what to do

[01:24:45] with Lupin if he got him Lupin would just escape anyway I imagine much like Wiley Coyote and Roadrunner he would eat him is that is that is there ever one where he just feasts on Roadrunner there's the one where they

[01:24:57] kind of break there has to be there always is one right yeah cut out from the short to two children watching it on TV and they go like why is he so hung up I'm catching this guy anyway and Wiley Coyote stops and it's the

[01:25:13] only one in which he speaks he's like oh I'm so sorry this wasn't clear and he takes out like a screen and he explains the tenderness of meat in like a very like formal professorial right direct addresses these two

[01:25:29] children watching their like shitty TV screen right and he's like many hypothesize that the Roadrunner has the most succulent breast that's really funny it was great it was one of the things that like broke my brain when

[01:25:41] I was four like when they make ultra sword but you know when you were a kid like when there's you don't know things yeah and you would just watch Power Rangers every week and then one week I didn't because I wasn't allowed to

[01:25:53] watch I'm just saying it's similar okay go along one week they would make ultra sword like what power I don't know because I wasn't allowed to watch that and you were like what's this now because every week Power Rangers

[01:26:03] would end with them making mega sword right and mega sword would take out the sword and smash the villain and it would die and and then one week they do something different and you're like you can do something different I just sure my thing was always talking about

[01:26:18] like being so obsessed with like the format and structure of things once that was cleanly established anytime they would like break the format like that or like the Steve Martin episode of the Muppet show where they're like shows canceled and the whole episodes about them not

[01:26:33] putting on a show right like anything like that the get the show where the whole episode was then preparing to do the get the show that rules sounds really good that's my kind of jam there's an episode of Garfield and friends where Garfield like in the opening is

[01:26:48] talking about his like antagonistic relationship with the mailman sure and the mailman's like you know what I I quit you win Garfield right right you have broken me right you broken my spirits I'm a shell of a man

[01:27:01] my wife doesn't even recognize me anymore you fucking win have fun sure and then the mailman just like walks off frame and Garfield's like I'm sorry this is really embarrassing I don't know what the episode

[01:27:14] is now and he walks off the set of Garfield and friends and into the animated back lot and he has to like plead with the mailman to come back into the episode sounds good yeah one of Peabody did it

[01:27:28] no it won a griffy that's checking his phone I was really obsessed with sending people to Abu Dhabi that was like a thing for me because then there's also this velvet underground song off of white

[01:27:42] light white heat like a weird spoken word track where a guy mails himself to his girlfriend okay I just something about the aesthetic of putting yourself in a box and then being mailed that's literally the thing you

[01:27:52] like is prison puts himself in a box and ships himself to a foreign country I think that's very funny yeah that someone mailing somewhere is always that should be a new archetype yeah the guy

[01:28:03] who mails himself the mail or Damon the what weird the way you guys are talking about this it's it's like you should have responded with rapturous applause and recognition when flat Stanley entered our studio two years ago and you guys were fucking non plus he's never

[01:28:21] gotten over that I think it was a year ago it was two years it's been a while the wedding talk about the ultimate mail himself the wedding is so great that Stanley himself the can't the thing is great account is dressed like a frickin Satan worshiper

[01:28:36] right there's guys with swords right uh this henchman and they got a plan which is they're gonna come up from platform oh I love the fucking trap door that I'm sorry just to move back sure I love the detail of the trap door being triggered by the bus

[01:28:51] that also takes the pictures of people as they're falling to embarrass them yeah that there's this like perverse like not only do we want to like assert our power over anyone who tries to invade our castle right but also we have to humiliate

[01:29:03] them and have like the spoils of the humiliation right it's like a reverse splash mountain where it's like you had a miserable time and I'm gonna hang the photo up on my wall forever um yeah but but I love that they rise up and pretend to be

[01:29:19] the spooky haunties yes of the murdered people from the trap doors in the past but of course the Lupin robot because Lupin has disguised himself as the archbishop we get into very poor very badly he's all bloodied he's all about he's got music

[01:29:36] he wakes up they're like good friend Lupin the third he's gone he doesn't remember anything and then uh he's like talking to the dog the dog of the dog moment I could tell is like it's like so sweet and I'm like this is gonna be stuff that he

[01:29:52] does later this is gonna be some of his his shit yeah and that's probably what the original like Lupin you know the Snyder heads of nineteen sixty of nineteen seventy seven are like uh yeah this is soft way why is Lupin Lupin should be a

[01:30:06] badass like why is he talking to a dog right sorry go on my Lupin lives in the real world right um and Miyazaki's got that humanistic sort of red running through it but the dog and then I'm mentioning the princess Clarice by name triggers

[01:30:22] him and he suddenly remembers everything what day is it what time is it I have to go catch I can't let them get married there's also that flashback of her saving his life when he was younger right tried to rob keglio-stro and all that but he knows

[01:30:36] her you know she's nice I believe he was a green horn at the time yeah but if I'm green horn oh yes um and of course uh you know this is uh it's personal for him because it's not like he has anything personally to gain from this

[01:30:50] theft he wants her to have her own freedom he wants her to live her own life he also thinks that counts a clown counts a clown him yeah uh right yeah it wasn't clear dummy that it was like he's gonna marry your kind of thing right but she's

[01:31:05] too young for him right no and then they deal with it in a great way and it was like it wasn't dealt upon so I just went there yeah I think naturally you see yeah sure but uh it

[01:31:14] was handled so well it is handled well yes the whole wedding thing is just great the whole the the fireworks like you say then pretending to be ghosts mummy ghost rub it you think that he's taking the bandages from his injury right and

[01:31:28] disguising himself when in fact he has somehow it's a double by a rubber yes put his clothes and bandages on it and then put on the most complex fucking like you know Peter Sellers S full embodiment of a character as a

[01:31:44] befuddled priest yes with a big mustache and beard who's terrified of ghosts and goblins right and he's like your curse this is it this is terrible he's given a good performance he is he won the Oscar yeah they were very clear loop and the

[01:31:57] third one as the archbishop in the castle of Kettrio's right um and uh then you've got this amazing sequence on the clock hour have they ever done that if they ever nominated no fictional character for best performance they

[01:32:12] have not like yet even well no no but can I say something how crazy would it be if Deadpool hosted Saturday night live no too weird no but like do you know what I'm saying like in the middle of a sketch it's like excuse me doctor

[01:32:31] and he's like um yes I'm definitely your doctor and he's like no I'm dead what if Deadpool was the musical act too and he just pointed to I don't know other dead pools you know what's weird that is crazy and when he was doing it

[01:32:48] he'd be like another one I'm doing the DJ Khaled thing do you guys tell you what he was doing do you guys know what's weird what Disney owns Deadpool Disney Walt Disney Corporation Disney on Deadpool that's cool yeah and you

[01:33:02] know who knows it Deadpool Deadpool was the first to come that was the first that's true and suddenly we've hit a wall sorry I didn't mean to bring up Deadpool yeah thanks for doing that the clock tower sequence which he does Clements and

[01:33:19] Mosker he was acquired by Disney knows I know of course he does Clements and Mosker mouse detective pay homage to this clock showdown in the great mouse detect which is also like the first real CGI set piece in an animated film right

[01:33:33] right right which have you seen great mouse detective been I have not like that movie maybe we should do Clements and Mosker Radigan Radigan is cool he does fuck Disney was like in there like weird dark period where nothing was working

[01:33:46] and they were like fuck we've gone through most of those fairy tales what what should we do and they were like what if we do our version of Sherlock Holmes and it's all mice cool and it's like Victorian like fucking British

[01:33:57] mice fun and Vincent Price and one of his final performances plays Radigan is one of the best villains ever who I believe Frank Hoffner has on the record said was her first crush yes Radigan I mean he's he's he is he is very

[01:34:14] radigan thing but yes I mean this is incredible I love this is also very like Chaplin asks it's a lot of modern times things has that like sort of like that little dark edge to it and like that that shot where he cuts to like a

[01:34:29] super wide and you just see the two hands of the clock go like like that yes to snip him like is so like gross without being gross like right like you know it's like it's it's just like a little perfect like yeah well and there's

[01:34:45] like stuff I mean this this is the big thing that people always cite that like Japan for a very long time has understood that animation is an art form and not a genre sure and us dumb Americans tend to get a wise as they

[01:35:00] are children's films exclusively and every year when they do the fucking animated category at the Oscars they almost always describe it as like and they say these movies are for children I hate that with this level of crafts it's not just kids play you know they

[01:35:20] always say like bullshit like that but this is a movie where you're like this thing's got stakes yeah it's about criminals there's violence guns bleeds a bunch there are direct sexual references not even double entendre fucking rules yeah great to exquisite yeah Lupin does

[01:35:39] give the count the treasure gives him the two rings finally because they've put together at this point while trying to whole poppy business with the fake ring which we never talked about which is tiny little bird that talks to him inside of it blows up in his face

[01:35:51] little blows up in his face they really do like to prank each other you're right like the photos yeah the things exploding and it turns out realize the code put the rings together based off the seal but it turns out that the treasure is actually just the treasure

[01:36:07] huh no one knows what the treasure is until this right and it turns out it's actually this like crazy ancient Roman town that was like built underneath the castle that Kegelio Strauss like built over but wasn't built under the castle it was like it was there fall of

[01:36:21] Rome right flooded and they were like let's just build a castle on top of that right we know the floods coming and Lupin's like too big a treasure for my plant is adjacent right yeah great and then they get in cars

[01:36:34] and drive around and he and he's just like look you gotta live your life you've been up in a castle all these years you're just starting to figure out who you are you're not gonna come with me to scumbum

[01:36:43] territory right I love that she's like I can learn I know I'm not a good thief yet I can learn right and he's like you I'm like the first real person you've dealt with yeah you gotta go out there and get a larger sample size you gotta figure

[01:36:55] out who you really are right I'm not going to take advantage of you because I am a gentleman these gentlemen we and we love him and then the inspector has this weird exchange he's like I just missed him and she's like

[01:37:09] don't worry he didn't steal anything this time right and he's like how dare you say that he stole something very valuable your heart good line yeah and she's charmed by it right and then they pursue each other in tiny little

[01:37:21] cars as a wild another little wild little car and they're gonna have adventures forever right and it's great the movie came out and it did okay okay a final thought just want to also point out I loved the music yeah you're so frobacky but man it like

[01:37:35] it was come Eugene oh no it's not he's not yet working with Joe Massachis the guy who just like you know this guy and also did we say that the the henchmen or whatever the cops from cagley like cagley Ostra they look like like wet

[01:37:52] like thugs they look like wet yeah I just want to see because I feel like crooks yeah yeah soggy crooks right um soggy goons I should say that's better I'm trying to see anything about how it in Japan but I know it grossed yeah

[01:38:10] didn't do very well yeah like right it was it grows 600 million yen which is like seven and a half million like this would be viewed as a minor entry and a venerable franchise if not for the fact that it was the film debut of but it's

[01:38:22] special and it's influential right cagley Ostra I mean Spielberg supposedly saw it in the early 80s and references supposedly references it in tinted I think yes yeah I feel like this is very much on a similar track with Indiana Jones like he likes the

[01:38:39] chase sequences he likes all that feels very very look on the third um he does you know in a way loop ends more of a jerk but similar sort of like no but the tone of the movie overall feels very similar yeah and

[01:38:52] then of course lots of hook and bear himself yeah sees this movie it blows his fucking mind right um Gary Trousdale who directed elanis lost empire said that the scene of the waters receding to show the city as you said yeah had to say yeah um had to

[01:39:08] say it for the box office game the only thing I could think of yeah is that it was re-released in 2017 it was really some 2017 well let's do that weekend I should have seen it September 8th 2017 wow number one the movie is a movie by the killer

[01:39:26] clown oh I know exactly what film this is it's about a killer clown yeah I didn't realize the Donald Trump bio pic came out that week right the orange monster himself yes orange-haired monster who terrorizes children yeah I think that films called trump where is this film set

[01:39:46] the White House man trump is so good for comedy I can tell you what the theme song for that movie was hail to the chief just like I just want to do that all day it's not the most obvious thing it's just true what

[01:40:04] they said every comedian is loving that he's president we're all dining out we never run out of really funny fertile he's very nuanced that's the other thing it's you on a show about true yeah I am which hopefully hasn't also been canceled I think that show

[01:40:21] is doing well actually think that shows better than most of the I agree I was very good Trump said I think that shows genuinely very good happen to the Anthony and Tamik show comedy central to sort of like I don't know maybe it's going back at

[01:40:34] some point I thought they I was coming back in that I never did yeah they kind of did one of those they let them do a special and maybe let me do a couple specials and they were like it's not canceled we're like exploring opportunities

[01:40:46] on our schedule we've done this weekend because guess what was number two that weekend it was a new entry came in behind it no so it made 158 Detroit no but you know right by that's right so I mean not so Dunkirk is number eight think nightmarish comedy

[01:41:06] about people hanging out in the house and chilling and having fun learning some life lessons this is a hard one nice boy we've covered it on the show yeah it's a nightmarish comedy I mean no one in the movie is real or exists

[01:41:22] like actor wise or character wise or both does it have famous people in it nightmare people I mean but I'm being so terrible I know but I'm like okay so it's a movie we hate no I kind of like it really should I give him the

[01:41:40] ultimate good shot ultimate clue yeah dude dude dude dude dude dude dude dude dude dude dude dude dude dude dude dude dude dude dude dude dude dude they're going home again baby oh boy we got to cover her movie when it comes out right yeah her Keaton movie

[01:42:02] I emailed like 5 giving so all of my raps and I was like can I please like I want nothing more than to above then to be in a Halley Myers Pizza Michael Keaton comedy and weirdly I guess I don't know all of their

[01:42:20] replies have just been going to They must have written back to me. Number. Hey, baby, you got blank check all the way to the top. Blind check millions. I'll be able to retire on the city we have hidden underneath our recording studio. You know, that's our secret.

[01:42:39] My god goes somewhere. Our matching rings. Yeah, right. Number three is what a movie that doesn't exist. We've talked about it in the home again episode when we played this box office game. It's a comedy. What is a show? It's a comedy that doesn't exist.

[01:42:58] Sort of action comedy. It's about a job job job job. It's about a job job. It's like he's got a job job. He has a job. Yeah, it's like his job is protecting a guy with a job. Oh, it hit me his bodyguard.

[01:43:11] You know, it's one of the job job move. Putting out a new thing. Yeah. It's a wife job job. That's a life. Number four is a horror. I know the fourth one's going to be a bad man's hit man's. Sure. Superhero job job wife.

[01:43:31] Our title is just going to be that the future. They're just like jargon that doesn't go. Yeah, we're going to get into the abacus. So it's very merry Harold and Kumar. Bad man's hit man's bodyguards. White. That's like it'll be like three Batman meets bad moms. Easter. What?

[01:43:48] You take out the bridgewords. You don't even do like meets Batman. Despicable me, dark tower. Yeah, right. It rides me. James Bond Steve Carell. Emoji girls trip. What's that one? Steve Carell plays an emoji who goes on the fourth girls trip

[01:44:11] in its set in, you know, Buenos Aires. Chris Pratt Madagascar Rocky three. It was sponsored by Sonos beam. I don't know. That's what it would actually be. It would be like, yeah, like Creed six, Sonos beam ESPN Spider-Man Homecoming the third right? Like I don't write.

[01:44:36] Anyway, number four of the box office was Annabelle creation. Harry's Mountain Dew bottle blasts which does fit. Annabelle creation where it's like, yeah. Okay, let's do a prequel origin story explaining a spin off of the doll from the Conjuring movie. Right.

[01:44:54] It's like we already had an Annabelle movie, but where what's what's her like? What's her deal? Right. What's up with Annabelle? Right. Let's get to the creation. I mean, my favorite one of these I've set up before, but that

[01:45:06] there are there is a prequel to the scorpion king, which is the prequel to a mummy returns to a spin off prequel to a spin off to a sequel was a spin off of a sequel to a remake original of a remake. Yeah.

[01:45:21] Anyway, number five is Wind River. I don't know. I'm not giving you a call. It's so weird that movie did so well. Did great. It's so it's such an off-putting movie. It is. It came out right when the Weiss company was collapsing, but it

[01:45:35] did like 35 domestic 35 domestic is at its core kind of a taught August thriller. Yeah. It's like an airplane novel with a bit of a like cool Western sheen. So like, you know, it's like for dads, I think it's a gross movie with like three really good elements.

[01:45:52] I do too, but I think it's like a gross movie that could not be gross with some easy fixes. I agree. That's just how it's good. Action is very good. John Brandt was great in it. Yeah. Sure. Never let Renner go full cowboy. Yeah, definitely not.

[01:46:08] Howl's moving podcastle is crushing. OK, so it looks like you want great. And tension is diffused. There was tension. Yeah. The audience has not dropped a single breath since the episode. We've got an exciting Miyazaki times ahead. What's up next week? Naska, the Valley of the Wind. Great.

[01:46:29] I've never seen that one obviously. No, I had tickets to go see Fathom events screening Tuesday with our friend Ramona and I canceled due to. Due to poopage? Diarrhea. Poopery. Poopery. As I like to say. Yeah, general poopery. Yeah, that's the name of my franchise I'm starting.

[01:46:47] What if that's my new character? Your new Poporees franchise? General Poporee. That could be a good like sort of like, you know, trans media, multi-platform comedy character with franchise potential. Put it on the slate. Yeah, fine. Put general Poporees on this. General Poporees. Either one. Both of them.

[01:47:05] Both of them. General Poporee meets major poopery. Yeah, they gotta match up. Yeah, right. They do poopery oranges and then poopery meets makes night eggs or whatever. Well, cinema's a graveyard. But the castle of Kegmeostra was great and Miyazaki. We're gonna have a great time. Miyazaki still working.

[01:47:23] I know. Yeah, he's got a new movie coming out. I know. This is his fifth on retirement? Yeah, correct. Yeah. This is exciting. I'm really into this mini-series. And I like being able to discover this many movies for the first time.

[01:47:36] I'm very encouraged by how much I like this. Sure. Trying to get over a lot of my weird hang-ups. Yeah. We'll probably talk about them more in other episodes. Maybe. But I think are just about how much of an animation nerd I was

[01:47:46] and how comfortable and committed I became into American animation styles. Let's say also we will be, for the first time, I want to announce that we are officially accepting fan art. There's obviously been a draconian fan art ban on this podcast. People want to draw pictures of us.

[01:48:07] And the gates are open. Although someone made a fridge magnet of me. That was great. Did you see that? It was like sculptural. It was like a three-dimensional. Hot David Alajo Bowen. Yeah. Yeah. This is, of course, a fully accurate representation of what I look like. Yes.

[01:48:25] Dead on. Green button down at all. You've only become hotter than that representation. But let's say the gates are up. The ban is lifted. Right. We want Miyazaki fan art. Right. I want to see Ben as Lupin the third. Hell yeah. Ben's dragon. Yeah. Right. Yeah. 100%. Yes. Yeah.

[01:48:46] I'm going on. So I'm Lupin. Yeah. I'm definitely going on because I'm like, come on guys. Yeah. Jesus. Let's take this seriously. Right. And you're like, and I have a big gun and I'm smoking. Right.

[01:48:57] And the inspector is whoever is supposed to record after us at the audio boom studio. Right. Exactly. These guys and they're just like, why are there bagel crumbs everywhere? Been waiting here for five hours in the eternal words of David Sims.

[01:49:10] I got a P so let's wrap this up. Well, please. You think that's impressive? Boy, wait till you hear what my butt's been doing for the last four days. Thank you all for listening. Please remember to rate, review, subscribe.

[01:49:23] Thanks to Andrew for good for our social media, Joe Bonaparte, rounds for artwork. Remember to send us all your Miyazaki, two friends and Ben drawings on Twitter. Or you can email us a blank check podcast at gmail.com reddit blankies.reddit.com. Go to public. Get some.

[01:49:40] Got it to public. Got to public. Get some shirts. That'd be cool too. If we if we had like a really good Miyazaki drawing, maybe we'd do that. Maybe we'd sell a shirt that was like us in the style of Miyazaki. Hundred percent. You know what I'm saying?

[01:49:52] Yeah. Oh, that'd be cool. Maybe that's for sale right now. Maybe this is the encouragement for someone to now put pen to paper and start that. Or I don't know, stylist to tablet. Remember how I had to be? Yeah. So in conclusion.

[01:50:10] Tune in next week for Nasko Valley of the Wind. Yeah. And as always, you're going to pick up the bag. David, you could go to that. No, no, no, no, no. Episode's not over yet. Episode's not over yet. David, that's the house. This is super last best time.

[01:50:35] This is the end as always, but the episode is not over yet. You can't eat that whole bagel. Why did I say that? Now that's what he wants to do. That's the challenge now. I think it's time. You have no power over me.