The Dark Knight Rises

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[00:01:26] This podcast is about filmographies, directors who had massive success early on in their career and forgot to turn off their cell phones before recording an episode And then we're issued a series of blank checks to make whatever they wanted In Hollywood, at least for a period of time

[00:01:43] This guy, his checks have not run out No Sometimes those checks there Sure Sometimes it burns baby And this is main series on the films Christopher Nolan It's called The Pod Night Cast And we've gotten to The title podcast, the title film The titular episode

[00:02:00] His best known and best loved film, right? The one everyone agrees on The crown jewel in his tiara It is called The Dark Knight Rises It is the third film in the Bartman trilogy That's so true It is true, you can't argue that

[00:02:14] Bartman is here, the dark Bartman Look, I know it often These become partisan issues Sure But can we reach across the aisle and agree that this is the third film in the Bartman trilogy? Can we just for once? Finally, the discordner nation can halt Please Yes

[00:02:31] Let's all just agree that this is the third film in the Bartman trilogy Yeah Ricky T. Jokes himself is in the rear view Enter Michael K. Bain Michael K. Bain's here I said in the Inception episode his name was Michael J. Bain

[00:02:42] This is the corrections department, his name is Michael K. Bain So you listen back You listen back to check it out? Okay Right, John C. Scarecrow Who's back too? He is back Ricky T. Jokes John C. Scarecrow's back Yes He's been appointed a magistrate Yes

[00:02:57] He's a judge of Gotham Yeah, it's nice, there's a little, because you know, there's a big gap You know, Dark Knight, I'm sorry The Dark Knight takes place very shortly after Bartman begins That's right, and this one takes place, is it seven years later?

[00:03:10] I think a gentleman seven A gentleman seven years on And in that time John C. Scarecrow goes to law school Which is kind of nice, it's kind of an inspiring story I don't know But he made a very strange choice to have a hammer be his gavel

[00:03:23] He's just using a hammer Like a little flavor on it Right, that's his like flair? Yes He's like alright, alright, thank you for teaching me how to be a judge Okay, he stack all the desks on top of themselves Yeah And then use a gavel Like a hammer

[00:03:41] Not unique enough Yup With us as always is Producer Bain himself Wait a second, is that in control? I've thrown it out before, maybe you didn't notice That's it, I'm sorry I don't care about the other ones I've never loved the other ones

[00:03:59] Is there another one you like? We're getting close to the end of Nolan Hazal Gull, Mabento and producer Bain I think are the best I think producer Bain is way better than the other two I like producer Bain a lot Produer Bain Keep going The Bain dooser

[00:04:13] Mr. Hazal Gullitif Sure, sure The Hazal Gull Okay So he's the fart master He's the fart master, the fart detective He's the meat lover Right, he's the fuck master He's the fuck master I am so, so sorry about that Let's keep going That's okay

[00:04:34] He's the peeper, he's the poet laureate He's a finance film critic He is not Professor Crispy If you see him in the streets Please wish him a hearty hello fennel Yes please He's dirt bike Benny He's soaking wet Benny He is graduated He is graduated He has graduated

[00:04:48] Just wrap it up Much like John C. Skericrow In the seven years in between He has graduated to certain tells Of course with a different main series Such as producer Bain Canobey, Kylo, Ben Ben Aichamlon, Ben Sey Say Benny thing

[00:05:00] Ailey Bans with a dollar sign and war haze And perhaps you know Here on out he will be producer Bain We shall see I think so I'm gonna need a really compelling pitch To drop producer Bain Okay this is called Arms Make your pitch

[00:05:16] That's something you can aptly with It rises He's having fun over there He's having a great time I come into the studio and Ben's just He's just doing his Bain Benny, oh he has fun We sent him out in the yard

[00:05:27] He just runs around doing his Bain for hours He keeps himself busy Oh boy So yeah so it's a 2012 film Two years after Inception Which is pretty impressive actually Yeah Considering the scale of this movie And the scale of Inception Yeah I would argue I have an idea

[00:05:46] Of what was sacrificed in that time crunch Oh really you have an idea of that Interesting, crazy Because it's three years between Pam and MacGent of the Dark Knight Which is significant Although he did make a movie In between the two Yeah sure And yeah

[00:06:02] And it's a $230 million budget Big movie I mean You're gonna write that check right? Yeah I mean and I'm sure Mr. Nolan was paid Handsomely to make a movie He was less enthusiastic about That in interviews he said Like for a long time I wasn't even sure

[00:06:22] How to make this movie And I was very afraid that I would get bored During the making of this movie Right and I think Which is I think a way of saying I got bored during the making of this movie He said in a lot of interviews

[00:06:34] That his big thing was He knew he had this massive check This massive opportunity And he wanted to try to make a movie In terms of size that didn't get made anymore Right So there was a lot of like

[00:06:45] Let's have more extras than people have ever had before Sure Let's take over more cities With a larger scope Yeah, let's do much more impressive set pieces That are real Right And thought through stunts You know all this crazy stuff The scope of this movie is pretty incredible

[00:07:01] Just in terms of what is visually captured Like what has been photographed Right and then Also let's make Rather than a competition between A hero and a villain or whatever Let's make it about like the soul of a city Or like the city itself as its stake

[00:07:17] That's definitely his concept And my argument has been The Gotham City Which I also think would be I mean the whole like You know, okay, title for the last one too You're saying Yes, I mean one of those baller moves in history I just remember being like

[00:07:32] With friends on the computer Because that's what I would do I'd be hanging out with friends And then I'd just go to a computer And refresh movie blogs You sound like a cool dude Real Fonda guy Real Fonda Real Fonda guy

[00:07:42] Real, I was a real Henry Fonda guy You were on all those Fonda blogs Yeah I'll tell you, I'm Fonda Bridget But I would I was there refreshing And then I went, holy shit And they went what And I turned around and I said

[00:07:57] Guess what the fucking title Of the Batman Vagan sequel is And everyone was like Batman continues Was it like Batman v Joker It was like And I just was like holding like a hot hand Because I knew I was gonna blow them out And I was like

[00:08:10] This is the worst story anyone's ever told The Dark Knight And everyone was like Whoa I blew out the mic there Yes, he did, I can see it Yeah But just the notion that Nolan was so confident No, I know what you mean right

[00:08:22] Batman not in the title Sure You know And it also gave the movie this power It's like this is like a fucking stand alone thing Like this movie kind of works in its own thing Sure And this trilogy that he's created Is much more concerned with Gotham City

[00:08:38] Sure You know It is Then other Batman stories are Certainly cinematic Certainly cinematic It really is Batman fighting to try to save Gotham City And from the inception Oh boy From Of this trilogy Uh huh One of Nolan's big ideas was That like this is a guy

[00:09:01] This version of Bruce Wayne Is using Batman as means to an end Who are your guys? Batman John C's character Who are your guys? Who are your guys? Who are your guys? I remember seeing Damon Waynes At the improv He said tonight

[00:09:17] I'm just gonna do a jazz set I will just riff I used to roll with Sam Kinnison And those guys Carl LeBov That was some dark shit Lock the gates Pal, I just shit my pants So Get ready for another hour and a half Or so of this

[00:09:44] At least P.S. this is a two hour 35 minute movie 44 with the credits No, I'm sorry Two hour 45 minute movie Yeah Right But you know there's this thing where Like this version of Bruce Wayne Isn't like a career Batman He's like I got a goal in mind

[00:10:01] If I can level out the balance of Gotham City I don't need to be Batman anymore Right, because of course Batman As a comic book character He can't retire because He's the star of a comic book that runs So it's sort of like Right

[00:10:14] He's just part of the firmament Of Gotham Right And Burton's Batman Doesn't know how to exist without being Batman Yes He's obsessed with being Batman Right Whereas this movie The Dark Knight Rises Yes Posits that Batman's work was sort of done Yes After the Dark Knight Right

[00:10:35] At least in his head Although you know But that turns out not to be true Sure Which is weird But Nolan has said That he from the moment That he pitched Batman Begins Right And started really working on The idea of what his version of Batman

[00:10:49] Was going to be He knew what the final shot Of his story was going to be And that is the final shot of this film Which is what Robin rising Yeah Someone knew taking over the mantle Sure

[00:11:00] The fact that Bruce would be able to walk away from it Here's my complaint Just before I get into the context That we'd love to be a connoisseur of Sure Dark Knight ends with Joker saying I think we're destiny this forever Richard Richard Trouble What was the T-Santhor?

[00:11:16] T-Santhor Trouble Richard Trouble Joker Been like that And Batman Like taking the blame For dense death And riding into any And he's like this You know Dark Knight He's our Dark Knight Yada yada yada Doesn't And then like this movie's Open seven years later It's like

[00:11:36] Well ever since Batman Led to the arrest of like a thousand mobsters Gotham's been fine Like that's never been the idea of Batman That he just needed to get rid of the mob Agreed He's not a mob warrior Agreed I think this movie Does a lot wrong

[00:11:51] But I'll say this Yeah No but that's the premise That's the problem I think I think this movie starts at the wrong point I think it ends in the right place Sure Yeah Carry on Finish your point I think this movie starts in the wrong way

[00:12:05] And never really finds its footing because of that I think that That concept right That you're the start of the movie Is a problem The action they decide to keep off screen Is troublesome And the stuff that has happened And the stuff that hasn't happened Is confusing

[00:12:20] I could see this Start If it really had been like seven years Since he'd made a Batman movie Like if Nolan had just gone off and made other stuff And then finally Warner Brothers was like You know we're gonna shell out You and Bale We want you back

[00:12:32] Please make another Batman movie Which I think he maybe needed to do Maybe He maybe needed to use the cash-rave Inception to have Another blank check project And go I will promise you Let's put it in a contract I'll make fucking Gotham City Right After this

[00:12:47] Yeah, yeah, no I get you And have some time away So that it really kinda meant something Because even the Marvel movies are usually There's usually three years between sequels Yes They don't Two years between sequels Is about as tight as you can make it

[00:13:01] And for movies like this This is four years I'm sorry It's just two years after Inception I'm so Yes, yes, yeah Ignore me Sorry But he needed to take more time away I think He needs to figure out What he needed to say Which I think Yeah

[00:13:16] Like I watched this movie Not to jump to the end of our discussion Right I saw this movie opening night At midnight Is I think a lot of us did Right I did not but I Saw it opening weekend Sure Yes, yeah It was Right away Crazy anticipation

[00:13:32] And I I sat there the whole time And enjoyed it Me too Basically I can tell you There were speed bumps But I have speed bumps with Dark Knight too I don't think that's a perfect movie I think that's a movie That ends up being greater

[00:13:45] Than the sum of its parts Yeah But I was watching it And was generally pretty satisfied With it And at the end of it I was like Yeah And then I walked out And I ran to someone I knew And he was like

[00:13:55] That was kind of shaky right now I was like No, what are you talking about I liked that And then I went to sleep And I woke up And was like I don't think I like that movie Sure So that It was that fast for you Yeah

[00:14:07] It was weird It was like The second I started Really thinking about it It started unraveling in my mind And I have not watched it since then And it has only diminished With every day in my mind Okay Okay And I rewatched it And I was like

[00:14:19] Maybe I like this more than I remembered Uh-huh Liking it Uh-huh And then I similarly kind of Like started struggling The more it went on I think it's a little better Than its reputation suggests I don't think it's an outright disaster No

[00:14:33] Which I think it's easy to write off That way I think that's largely a product Of how insane the expectations were And how I think it has the same problems That a lot of Nolan movies have But it doesn't have the same strengths

[00:14:46] That a lot of Nolan movies have That usually It's probably true Allow you to gloss over those problems But it's an interesting movie I just walk away from it going like I don't know what it's actually saying I don't think he ever decided

[00:14:59] That ultimately was trying to say What this movie is We'll get into it But yeah I remember I saw it opening weekend And I got to the theater And I sat down And immediately realized That a child had like Totally peed all over the seat

[00:15:15] Like the previous screening Or whatever Because it's a fucking basically With ads I mean that's a three plus hour Sitting experience Oh like three and a half Exactly For a big movie like that They gym as many trailers as they can

[00:15:29] And also you have to get there early You know to get a good seat They play a Pixar short There was a newsreel And so like I just imagined some like Tiny child had been given A bucket of soda Right I was trying to hold it in

[00:15:42] Because they want to see the Bart man You know I mean There was not much damage done to me Like it was obviously like Time had passed You know it wasn't fresh But I was still like Oh my god And that for some reason

[00:15:54] Is here in my memory Of my viewing experience Yeah that's interesting And it was also of course The shooting had happened You didn't have it If you saw it midnight It happened right Yeah exactly But that was fresh in my mind It was hard to not be

[00:16:09] Because it just happened And obviously I was desperate to see the movie I was very excited to see the movie But it definitely put Everything on edge It made everything feel a little grim It made the films violence Just slightly harder to take

[00:16:26] Not like it's an excessively violent movie or anything But still just It is a grim movie But I think it cast a pallor on that movie The movie is so Inextricably tied to that incident now And it makes The movies flaws feel even more

[00:16:41] Drying because the whole enterprise feels More flippant when it's like Right well that's the thing And it's not the movie's fault at all At all Right yeah yeah yeah But it's just like for this bullshit Which it isn't for this of course But I do think there is

[00:16:56] Like you know There was a shooting at train wreck A couple summers ago right I vaguely remember that Yeah right but it wasn't the same thing But that just kind of felt disconnected Yeah no it was because of the movie And because the guy was like

[00:17:11] I'm the joker There was some tie to the film But also it was like People like that want to make a statement And so you attack A place of meaning And it was like this is the most anticipated movie In a long time Yeah that's the other thing

[00:17:26] We were all there to see this movie It wasn't like we were seeing the movies Like we were just going to the movies that weekend It was like we were all there For this movie we've been waiting for four years The Dark Knight was awesome Love Christopher Neal

[00:17:38] Inception was you know like We're excited to see this This is the movie of the summer right Yes yes Oh Avengers comes out that summer Avengers comes out that summer And sort of sets the new narrative But certainly this was the movie Everyone was like

[00:17:51] This will be the biggest movie of 2012 Which it wasn't It still ended up being Like at the time I think The six highest pressing film ever Oh it was a huge movie And it made It was something like this But it was somehow viewed as a disappointment Because

[00:18:03] Kind of A lot of money than the Dark Knight But Avengers was so big It came earlier And then this had this shade Cast over By the tragedy And let's move on Because again it's not like the movies fall It's not the movies fall But it's

[00:18:18] It was interesting to watch it now With years away from it And being able to just kind of watch it As a movie I saw it just as a movie Then in my mind it was always tied to this incident And now enough time has passed

[00:18:28] I was able to just like Watch it Yeah so I saw it in theaters I have watched it again And then as I told Griffin As we were setting up I watched the opening of the movie All the time on YouTube The IMAX T's Basically the plane sequence

[00:18:42] So that comes out before Mission Possible No Yes it does It comes out before Gus's phone call That's so early That's six months previous Wow I think it's the same thing with I Am Legend Was a December release and then I don't remember yeah Yeah you got me

[00:18:59] Yeah but yes sure The Dark Knight prologue was before I Am Legend And then a ghost protocol Which was not even a Warner Brothers film But it was just the biggest I Am X movie It was the I Am X movie Right And I remember like hyping up

[00:19:14] A bunch of my friends to go see Ghost Protocol Which I was really excited But using Sure You get to see Dark Knight Rises As like a selling point Yeah And then we sat there in the theater And no one could understand what Bane was saying Right

[00:19:25] Bane's voice was so weirdly mixed And low And garbled And Nolan came out and defended it And was like you know in real life You don't hear everything everyone's saying Sure Which has been his defensive Every movie's made sense Right Yeah yeah yeah

[00:19:40] He makes movies with a lot of cacophonous sound So the dialogue wouldn't be very clear Right But then they were like okay but dude A little fucking too much And everything was redubbed Everything was redubbed Top to bottom Except for one line Which one Crushing this plane

[00:19:53] Oh really That is the same If you watch them side by side That's the one they didn't change And it does sound a little deeper Even in the redubbed version But throughout the movie Not telling tales out of school I mean like with Dunkirk it's like

[00:20:08] Yeah well the dialogue is actually mostly incidental That's how I get it But with Bane is saying a lot of things He's delivering a lot of information You gotta hear him So they both re-recorded it And remixed it for sound clarity

[00:20:20] And also asked Hardy to announce it a little more Yeah probably He clarified his voice His voice is even weirder in the IMAX prologue In the original version Sure but I actually like it I think it's almost weirder when you can hear him better

[00:20:33] Just because he's so sing-songy and strange And it's oddly pitched I agree It is such a crazy choice Right And I am so glad that he was empowered to make that choice Especially because everyone's like Ah fuck How do you top the Joker No everyone's like

[00:20:48] How do you top Jeep Swanson In Batman and Robin Baaaaaard Who just says the thing he's just been told to do Where it's like Bane smash that wall and he's like Smash wall Baaaaaain They made Bane into like the Hulk Yeah like a really shitty Hulk

[00:21:03] Like the worst Hulk Right A very embarrassing Hulk Right but there was such rabid speculation about Who was gonna be the villain in the third one Well that's what I wanted to do Connors are the contact We are connoisseurs of contact Okay so Oh wait you guys are?

[00:21:16] Yeah Oh the two friends Yeah the two friends One connoisseur, two connoisseur We're Cs of C Connoisseur one connoisseur two Got it got it There's a lot of two Yeah we're like thing one thing two or enchilada one and two I wanted to clarify about the connoisseur's contacts

[00:21:29] Go It is us if you've heard the rumors We are them the connoisseurs of contact The craziest thing is that Jeep Swanson died Like days after Batman and Robin came out I vaguely remember that It's so weird the poor guy Yeah You gotta His name's Jeep Swanson

[00:21:43] Yeah I mean his real name was Robert Right But like he was a wrestler And I think that was his like stage name So Apparently after the dark night Nolan did write some sort of a story outline For like a future movie

[00:21:55] And he gave it to Warner Brothers He goes off to make Inception And it sort of goes dormant right Yep But everyone I feel like we and everyone else was like You know he'll make a third one they'll make him It's You can't not

[00:22:08] It's the same way Joss Whedon made a second Avengers Where like It just becomes Or how Patty Jenkins will make Wonder Woman 2 It just becomes academic Like we get that they have to figure out the details But like

[00:22:18] When you have a hit out of the box like that You gotta get the guy back Right And I think You know Patty Jenkins will have an easier time than either Of those two guys did Because of the nature of the film

[00:22:30] Oh you mean like with the next movie Like making the next With Wonder Woman Right yeah You know I think there are less story challenges For her going into making another Wonder Woman Adventure Especially because of how they designed it Where we have these

[00:22:42] Her participation in the modern day Justice League stuff And you just get to fill in the gaps In between the time zones Right I think the problem with Avengers Age of Ultron Which I know you defend I think is It's an okay movie I think it's okay

[00:22:56] I think it's kinda good I know you like it I kinda get excited about it I think it's okay I like parts of it a lot I think There are interesting things Marvel's fucking with him And they want Right Certain things to tie into the next things

[00:23:09] And you know I think it's kind of Of similar quality to this movie But it's problems are the exact opposite In that he had a very clear idea Of what story he wanted to tell Marvel made him throw a bunch of other stuff in there

[00:23:21] I think in this movie He didn't know what he wanted to say So he threw a bunch of stuff And the stuff is kind of interesting All separately But it doesn't amount to anything I agree But Avengers 2 The problem is The whole interesting thing about Avengers

[00:23:34] Is watching them figure out How to be a team together And you can't have them do that twice Can't have them do it twice So instead he decides to make this movie About robots arguing with each other Over whether humans are worth saving Right But

[00:23:45] And then Marvel's like Hey, can you throw my dead wife in there Right, exactly But you see Captain America Civil War And you're like Oh that's the movie Marvel wanted Which is this Fun, almost plotless movie That's just a lot of different stuff happens

[00:23:58] And it's all a nice tease for the next thing And we didn't need to have Some sort of central idea To be driving what he's As a writer that's his Civil war is a real comic book movie In that it feels like a mainstream

[00:24:10] Marvel comic book from right now Where they are basically thinking Year ahead Yeah And they have a hook Which is like Blah versus blah That they know will sell tickets Slash issues For good and bad Like we watched that movie we saw together

[00:24:24] We had a fun time while watching it I never compelled to watch it again It's a bad one to rewatch IMO Because I mean I rewatched the Spider-Man scene a lot Because I think that's the most Successful part of the movie Right, but now I can just watch

[00:24:37] Spider-Man Homecoming Sure I still think that scene is the best Isolation of Spider-Man as a character But I watched the airplane hanger fight Which I remember being so excited By watching it It just doesn't really mean anything anymore No, it's just a lot of stuff

[00:24:48] Being a bouncing around Okay, so in February 2010 Warner Brothers announced Nolan has cracked quote unquote The story So he is giving us A new Dark Knight movie Then it's announced David Goyer and Jonathan Nolan Will write the screenplay Interesting Then it's announced David Goyer is leaving

[00:25:07] To go write Man of Steel Okay So Chris and John are going to write it Which he and Nolan Kind of pitched Off of their story meetings For Dark Knight Rises Oh, they pitched Man of Steel In their story meetings For Dark Knight Rises

[00:25:19] Where they're trying to crack it And they were Distracting and procrastinating They were like What would a Superman movie be? Like how would we approach that Came up with this Cornolven idea Brought to Warner Brothers They set it up Chris Nolan said That Jonathan Nolan presented him

[00:25:32] With a 400 page script Sounds about right Quite long That essentially From my... Because this is the script That is the most based on The Batman comics of my youth Because it's the first half is Nightfall Bane breaking his back And taking over And then the second half is

[00:25:49] No Man's Land Which was like This comic after a big earthquake In Gotham And Gotham is like cut off And there's people You know, crime is running rampant That has nothing to do with Bane Yeah But he sort of Puts Bane into it Which is all wrong

[00:26:05] In my opinion Bane is also just Inherently a weird choice for him To pick To understand the motivation He wanted a big physical villain Batman hasn't had a guy He could really fight in these movies And my guess is he... Right

[00:26:18] And my guess is he also was intrigued By Tom Hardy Who had done such a great job In Inception And was probably thinking Like, ooh this guy could be A good Bane Or you know And I think there's this idea that Because everyone was like

[00:26:28] Will he do the Riddler And it's like That's very similar to the Joker Like that's the same kind of End the Scarecrow This sort of spindly guy Who's got plans And schemes You know And they could have worked A penguin into it Would have been similar to like

[00:26:40] Moroni and Falconet Like it would have just been A mob boss He wouldn't have been the primary villain He would have been A sort of motive He's your off-ball villain And again, Batman's not going to Fight the penguin He's not really The penguin has like umbrellas And shit

[00:26:52] You know, he doesn't really like Do fist to hand a fan combat I remember them being rumors That Hoskins was going to play The penguin Which would have been so fucking cool I mean, Hoskins as like Hoskins in the Longwood Friday As the penguin Sounds terrific Yeah

[00:27:05] RIP Bob Hoskins Right Love that guy Yeah, I mean there were all these villains That people were asking for And then when Hardy was picked You know, I remember every little bit of detail Was like chewed upon Where they announced that they were like

[00:27:18] Filming a lot of the movie in New Orleans Which is for tax credits, right? No, they filmed it in Pittsburgh They didn't film it in New Orleans I think part of it was in Maybe it was a false rumor, okay Okay, yeah But something came out about them

[00:27:28] Filming in New Orleans Or at least part of it in New Orleans Everyone's like, oh that must be Because it's killer crack I just remember that No, no, no, no Maybe the New Orleans thing was debunked And he said, no, no, no

[00:27:38] You gotta save that guy for a Suicide Squad movie I know exactly how he fits in Right You make sure he watches BET Yeah You make sure you get a shot of his wriggling butt What else is Killer Croc doing there? Where's a hoodie? Yeah, where's a hoodie

[00:27:53] Make him like pretty sexist Like even for He's talking about Suicide Squad He's like dial it up But at the end of the day He's pretty twisted Yeah, he's pretty twisted Yeah, he's twisted Twisted Um, no, they mostly shot in Bucharest Okay

[00:28:11] Where I think they are shooting the The pit Yeah, the pit, the non-gotham stuff Right Josh Pence Uh-huh Josh Pence's arc Bo Callahan from Draft Air Yeah Yeah Winklevoss body Yeah But you know that story, right? Yeah, I know He was told he was I know, I know

[00:28:31] Yeah, yeah He then But then he And he shot a lot in Pittsburgh Uh-huh Where they do a lot of the city stuff But there's a lot of New York stuff too Then I was about to say Then they shoot a ton in New York City Yeah

[00:28:42] Which suddenly is Gotham City With no attempt to make it look different Right Like with Chicago as Gotham They do a great job Having the city be very real But then you have the narrows And you have like A sort of like effort to make it look different

[00:28:56] This is like He robs The Wall Street Stock Exchange He blows up The Williamsburg and Manhattan and Brooklyn bridges There is one of those shots of like The Camo Tumblr leading the bomb van Question mark, question mark Where they drive past the 2-3 Wall Street Station

[00:29:13] And it's jarring It's you're just like Why is no effort being made all of a sudden To make Gotham different Right At unique city Right Especially after we just watched two movies That were set in Chicago I'd be wondering if it was like

[00:29:26] You know the first time I wanted it to be Chicago The second time I wanted it to be LA Because I'm doing heat And the third time I wanted it You know But he just changed I don't know why he did that

[00:29:34] It is weird how different the city looks Across these three films It's very dark Like it changes Right Because you look at the narrows The design of the narrows would not fit Into Dark Knight or Dark Knight Rises No Exactly Like the narrows is very comic booky

[00:29:48] Very stylized Agreed Agreed, agreed, agreed And yet at the same time This is weirdly the most comic booky Of the three movies 100% And in story Like in And in Unreality You know Like the idea of it being cut off The idea of Bane's like Ridiculous scheme

[00:30:03] Like all this stuff And also in In terms of how many different characters How twisty it is How many like Not twisted It's not twisted Twisted But it is Like there's so many flips in this movie You know what I'm saying Yeah Yeah It's weird It's weird

[00:30:21] It feels less like watching a movie And more like reading Like over a year A 12 issue run of a comic book Where the writer kind of can't figure out Where he's going with the story A little bit like that But it's being written incrementally As they go

[00:30:33] I get you And then The argument could be like Look, in Batman Begins Gotham is this like Fallen City And in the dark night Bartman Begins Exactly And then in the dark night It looks The duck night The duck night It looks a little different because

[00:30:47] It's coming up Like the city is beginning to heal And now Seven years later It's this sort of like Rich booming city But like You know It's really just the 1% Yeah The 1% Who should say the 1% You know, and like maybe that's why he's using New York

[00:31:06] This is a stretch This is the only argument I can find Obviously there's no plausible reason The city would have changed I think, you know He was very influenced by The Occupy Wall Street movement But didn't know what he wanted to say about it I guess so

[00:31:21] I think this I thought that the timing of this was that It couldn't actually be Yeah, because the Occupy Wall Street was like Late 2011 Oh really? And this movie finished Filming like late 2011 Like there's no way It was just one of those happy coincidences Where it just like

[00:31:37] All of the Because he always said His inspiration was a tale of two cities For this movie Uh-huh The Dickens movie Dickens is great movie Such a good movie You're an underrated director About the French Revolution In Paris And the eulogy That Jim Gordon reads

[00:31:55] For Bruce Wayne at the end of the movie Is right out of a tale of two cities Oh wow, okay That's his like nod to it And so I think that's where he's getting this idea Of like the oppressed underclass And like there's change coming

[00:32:07] And you're all gonna be overthrown And then it just fits Because I mean he obviously is making it In the wake of like Sure The financial downturn and all that I also feel like this movie Is weirdly indebted to Metropolis Sure, it might He's talking about Fritz Lang

[00:32:20] As an inspiration a lot That seems like a huge inspiration for him, right? And this movie Especially when you get into Literally like people living In different levels of the city Yeah You know It gets odd And also just the literal The scale and the scope of it

[00:32:34] I think he was trying to make A very, very old fashioned epic You know Like the other movies He was trying to make like a 70s movies In terms of some of the stuff He realizes here Just the amount of extras And the size of the sets

[00:32:45] And shit like that It feels like he's trying to Make like a 30s or a 40s movie It's a weird movie It's a weird movie So he makes it And then Christmas 2011 He invites Edgar Wright Michael Bay Okay Brian Singer John Favreau Eli Roth Duncan Jones Steven Daldry

[00:33:03] And several other filmmakers Who are not named Also known as the Pussy Posse Exactly The new Pussy Posse To the IMAX Theater at like In LA To show them the Dark Knight Rises Uh-huh And then he says I think he may have just Prologued Because it's December 11

[00:33:19] So it's probably And he says I shot this on IMAX Film I edited this from the original Camera negative Look how good it looks Film is like important Celluloid, right? Like look how great this is Like please be like me Like demand You are influential directors

[00:33:33] Like demand celluloid And we can keep this thing alive I don't think it worked But like I just find that interesting Yeah, how many of those guys Continue shooting film I don't know Maybe Eli Roth Like does that guy shoot on film? I think Edgar Wright still does

[00:33:48] I don't know I'm not a big enough nerd About that stuff to remember Sure But most of those are not the guys Who are really pushing the film thing hard No But anyway, so he did that And then they They released the movie Yeah, okay Uh, July

[00:34:04] Same slot as Dark Knight End of July And the same slot as Dunkirk Right He loves that slot Apparently they wanted Dunkirk In the fall and he said No, I want it in my Dark Knight slot I want it end of July He's like Big Willie

[00:34:14] He's like Big Willie style The way that Big Willie owned July 4th Chris Nolan wants to slip in there Right at the end of July And essentially he gets to run The table on August Yeah, I think that's He always was encouraged by how Dark Knight did

[00:34:28] With just owning August So he was like That's the box office spot And it's fucking worked for Dunkirk Like, you know, he's not wrong And worked for Inception too Yeah I was looking at I was talking about Dunkirk box office with Past and Future guest Sam Rogau And

[00:34:51] He was saying like I wonder how well it's going to hold And I was like, let's look at August And it's like fucking nothing coming out No, that's the thing Exactly No one's there Right I mean Dark Tower But here's the thing Look, Dunkirk Not hearing good things

[00:35:03] Dunkirk's going to make like 10 million a weekend For like eight weekends Yeah, I think so You know It's a war movie And especially because IMAX has higher ticket prices Sure Because those sell out faster So the demand to see it in that format Will last for longer

[00:35:17] Because you can't just all rush in Opening weekend And I went to see it Just yesterday at the time That we're recording this podcast Did you see it at Lincoln Square? I did And I was surprised by the amount Of like grandfathers with Young children there

[00:35:29] Like grandfathers with like Young under 10 children It's a dad movie, ma'am Yeah It's a dad movie Next week Annabelle Creation In the Glass Castle And the Knuff Job 2 Dad movies Three movies Four dads We got to that The Hitman's Bodyguard Which is not a movie

[00:35:45] Have you seen it? No I have been invited to I declined Yeah That's sort of my old joke About Jack and Jill Where I feel like if you walk Into the theater They'll give you a publisher's Clearinghouse check And go, you got us It's not a movie

[00:35:58] We just shot a trailer And Logan Lucky Which is a fascinating Movie and fascinating Release strategy And all that stuff Sure And then Friday the 25th All Saints Which is like a Christian Movie with John Corbett Leap Which is like some Belgian animated movie

[00:36:13] That Harvey Weinstein pooped out He's been shifting around The schedule for four years I've been emailed about Leap Which has had like Three different names Like a million times Well that's like the The Amityville Carly Rae Jepsen's song Cut to the Feeling Is for Leap Yes

[00:36:27] That's how like Weird it's whole thing has been The Amityville The Reckoning Or The Wakenning Or New Generation Or whatever the New Amityville horror movie is Yeah I saw the trailer For that before Sin City 2 Oh boy And Harvey's just been Shifting it's six months

[00:36:42] At a time going We really think January Is the right They have no money I did They have no money It's literally like A ball in a cup game Yeah that's what it is Yeah Anyway This has been Our podcast on The Weinstein Company Yeah exactly

[00:36:59] This has been T.W.E. T.W.C. talk Twic talk Okay so the movie opens With The Plain The Plain sequence Which I think is just Fantastic How do you feel about it How it looks Yeah That shot of Bane Dropping That's my favorite shot

[00:37:15] When the plane is horizontal And Bane just drops down To the seats With his arms out Sure Oh my god Like right at the camera This shot for me That really does it Is when the plane Drops from Around them Yeah of course That's incredible

[00:37:29] Because it's a real thing They did Yeah Yeah Which is bonkers Insane They did that Which is I think so much of Why I love Nolan's Choice of set pieces Where it's not like I can't believe what I'm seeing It's like That's real But it's sort of impressive

[00:37:47] I think it's also Emblematic of the entire Movie which is The giant motivating forces What stuff I want to do On camera Yeah man But I'm cool with that In a prologue Agreed You know Like just That carries Throughout most of the movie Yeah I just like seeing

[00:38:03] Little finger get his comeuppance And something What a jerk Yeah Little finger's there So yeah Little finger's like an FBI guy Get him out of here And he's doing his American accent Which is very similar to His British accent Which is very similar to His real Irish accent

[00:38:18] When I was at Comic Con The whole Game of Thrones cast Was staying at our hotel And so I kept on Like tapping my cast mates And going like Scott, Scott look It's Ramsey from Fast and Furious She's from Game of Thrones She is from Game of Thrones

[00:38:34] Look it's the shitty son From John Wick From Game of Thrones It's the villain From Shanghai Nights Who Bane kidnaps in the plane They're like Fucking Game of Thrones Like I kept on being like Why are you all He's the villain The main villain in Shanghai Nights

[00:38:49] That's kind of a big deal For him in 2002 Or whatever that came out It's him and Donnie Yen Oh wow Are the main two villains And then there's The young child in the movie Turns out to be Charlie Chaplin Who was played by Aaron Taylor Johnson Oh weird

[00:39:02] And then the other main Charlie Chaplin is a character In Shanghai Nights Shanghai Nights is infuriating And you know who directed it Walt Becker right David Dopkin of the Jets Oh it's David Dopkin That's it right Cause I love Shanghai Nune I'll stand for Shanghai Nune

[00:39:13] I think that Shanghai Nunes Is a nice little movie It fucking rules Shanghai Nights does this Dumb trick Where they're like There's this little tramp boy Who keeps on following My adventures And they're like You better look out for yourself Charles Chaplin Or one day

[00:39:26] You'll get yourself into Real trouble And then he like Rubbs his face with soot And it looks like he has a mustache They essentially pulled a robin Shit in that movie With Charlie Chaplin Played by Aaron Taylor Johnson Anyway Uh-huh The villain from Shanghai Nights is good

[00:39:43] In this opening sequence Tries to fuck with Bane Bane fucks back Uh-huh Bane transfuses blood Into from one guy Into another guy So he can kidnap a doctor And make it look Like he died in the plane Uh-huh But you don't Totally get what

[00:39:57] The fuck is going on Even though they Re-recorded the dialogue To make it clear now They talk about him In mythical terms They clearly His reputation precedes him Why does he wear the mask? Right But he kind of just seems like Okay, he's some figure Of political uprising

[00:40:11] Yeah, he's a scary guy What's the game here? He's a scary guy with a mask And then Uh-yeah He disposes of the plane In probably the least efficient And most expensive way possible But it looks cool And thank God They shot at an IMAX cameras And then

[00:40:25] The movie starts in earnest The score is just going wild too There's a lot of stuff going on Love that score This is my favorite Of the Zimmer Batman scores too Oh really? Yeah, I think it's much better With him just caught and loose Sure Uh, it's interesting

[00:40:41] They asked James And how to come back Yeah And he was like Your inception score Was really good I think you guys You got this Just gotta do it together I think you guys are very Like creatively inspiring To each other Sure, that's really nice

[00:40:54] Uh, so you should just do it Um, which is funny And yeah, he makes this Wild theme for Bane With the chanting chorus That I love It's really good Yeah Um, and then yeah The like crazy drumming Um, but But he uh One thing I guess

[00:41:15] That's kind of interesting That's established here Is that thing where he goes Like no, you must stay They will be looking For a body in the wreckage And the guy doesn't question it He doesn't fight it at all Uh, yeah Uh, no brother

[00:41:26] They expect a body in the wreckage Right The fire rises? Yes So it's like this guy's got zealots That makes some difference The fire rises Makes a- Yeah, so David's doing A really good body language Well I can do this scene Because I've watched it so many times

[00:41:40] It's the other lines Where I sort of forget This is the one where he says It would be very painful For you You're a big guy For you For you Brushing this plane The best way to do a Bane impression

[00:41:55] Would be to have someone step on your throat You're right You know All of a sudden Right Yeah Um, but uh But that's like a thing that's interesting Like a new wrinkle Where it's like Okay this guy's got zealots He's got diehards We'll follow him anywhere

[00:42:10] Yeah, yeah, yeah You know, disciples You know the league of shadows He's got an army of ninjas At his ninja school Right He's got an army of ninjas At ninja school Right But Joker doesn't really got people He works with whoever's closest At the time He's got people

[00:42:23] Right And Scott Suggs But they seem to change From scene to scene He shoots them a lot Yeah Although there is like A devoutness to Joker's But they're all crazy is the idea They're all just mentally ill He's manipulating Mentally ill Exactly Cause that's what Batman says

[00:42:41] Is like Like these people are empty vessels Essentially Right But Bane's clearly got a legion Of people who are hanging on Is every word There's a bit of a cult mentality He is the leader of a cult Yes Part two Part two It's a reboot

[00:42:54] It's like a reboot Yeah It's like a shitty reboot It's like a dark gritty reboot Right And then we cut to Wayne Manor Does it go straight to the party At that point Yeah It goes to the party Oh It goes to Jim Gordon Eulogizing Harvey Dent

[00:43:09] On like Dent Day Right National Dent Day All banks are closed In honor of the Big D Yeah It's funny There's Dent Is being honored for the Dent Act And for like the death He suffered at Batman's hands And Gary Alden's giving a speech Was like

[00:43:27] Once again I just want to reiterate That Harvey Dent is great And there's nothing bad to say about him And then you look at the paper in his hands It's like Harvey Dent sucks Tell them Which I Don't This is one of my big problems With the movie

[00:43:41] I think this movie does wrong by Gordon And I think Oldman additionally does wrong by Gordon He does He's playing it as a totally different character He is playing it more like the Oldman villains Exactly Because he's got that weird quavery voice All of a sudden

[00:43:55] That he likes to do And he's way too intense The whole movie Right He seems to have lost any sort of like Guiding light And I understand the point Is that this is a Gordon Who's made some concessions And lives with some guilt Right

[00:44:07] But it's like the guilt has turned him into The character from Leon, the professional Yeah That's the voice he's doing Kind of Kind of He's playing a more subdued version of that But it feels like there is No glimmer of the old Dent in this Which

[00:44:22] Sorry, not Dent Gordon In this character But if that was the point That he's so far gone They should have written it differently Yeah And It's The idea I think is it's like As they say in this opening scene Like he was a wartime hero This is peacetime

[00:44:41] So he's like kind of gone to seed Like he's like bored Or frustrated And his wife has left him justifiably Yeah He was She left him a long time ago Was it the whole playing a close to the best thing? Playing it real close Yeah

[00:44:57] Yeah, I mean this guy's a bit of a skarmuchy Right He gave up everything What a dated reference That's already an incredibly dated reference Now Three weeks or now or whatever It's gonna be practically like an artifact Can I say this

[00:45:13] You know so like everyone was so excited about skarmuchy Cause he's the best character to come out of this whole saga Right Yeah, right I mean he, I think in a lot of ways And everyone's like God, the skarmuchy movie They're gonna make a skarmuchy movie someday

[00:45:27] Sure, sure, sure Then he gets chickened after ten days And people go like Well there goes the skarmuchy movie Skarmuchy movie just got better Totally Assuming there's a little more But yes I think the skarmuchy movie is The third act of Goodfellow

[00:45:40] Stretched out for an entire running time It's ten days on the clock and he loses everything I guess you just, cause he only did one thing That was just completely maniacal And it's saying, I wish he'd done like four things You know I guess more might come out

[00:45:53] But I like the idea that he He just didn't have a lot of time to do anything You know Well he sold this company Right And that was I think part of the reason Why his wife left him Correct She hates Donald Trump She hates Trump too

[00:46:05] She hates Trump too And she was like If you join the administration I will leave you And he tried for six months to get hired So he had a lot of lead time to think it over Still went through with it And then also You know

[00:46:16] Calling up the fucking New Yorker And making jokes about auto-flatio No and look He's a funny guy And I think he's great I can't wait to see his tight ten And I think he's doing the Couple of open mics this week

[00:46:27] Well he just, he did JFL new faces Right Yeah And he's gonna be doing stuff at the Danger Fields Congratulations to Former guest Past guest John Troperich For making JFL this year Right Yeah I forget He said Yeah And James the third as well

[00:46:44] Yeah Black Pancake and John Yup We're there Of course Congratulations to John Breilock who I think beat his own record for Live Tweeting the fucking Dark Knight episode I must have gotten 50 tweets from that guy Oh boy You guys have a fun relationship Me and John? Yeah

[00:47:05] Go on Sort of a Batman Joker thing Yeah I'm not sure who's the Joker John's the Joker Okay okay cool cool Alright So you cut to Right I just hate this idea where it's like Like I said this Sort of too simple logical thing Where it's like well

[00:47:21] Here's how it worked There was the Dent Act That locked up all the mobsters Without the Dent Act They would be allowed to roam free And of course Murder would be legal again Because the Dent Act Is the only thing between Murder being legal and illegal

[00:47:33] And of course If anyone ever dared Like put on a piece of paper Some kind of allegation That Harvey Dent was a bad person Right Then this all would come crumbling The fuck down Right as if our country isn't based On a bunch of lies and deceptions

[00:47:49] That we now know You know The other thing is this idea that it's a lie That Batman killed Harvey Dent Which it's not He did kill Harvey Dent He knocked him off a building Right Right but now He had a reason to do it But that doesn't exist

[00:48:02] People are like I can't believe Jim Gordon lied About the manner of Harvey Dent's death The fact that he had justifiable reasons Right To Harvey Dent If you think about it After he got his face burned off And he went insane He killed at least two people

[00:48:20] Who were involved in his scarring Right This would shake the foundation of Gotham The very idea that Harvey Dent After being scarred Went a little crazy Right Why would people care this much? They wouldn't And it also The Dent Act is way too tidy

[00:48:39] Because the thing that the Dark Knight sets up Which is so cool Is like Okay now Batman's got to be an outlaw He's going to take the hit Right And now the real war on crime begins Because it's not like When crime is the Dent Act

[00:48:50] Like all criminals like Better steer clear Gotham That Dent Act Because essentially This movie The legal tricks They can pull This movie sets up the Dent Act Like it's like The government went In a striking new announcement To make crime illegal Organized crime is now frowned upon

[00:49:08] And everyone was like Look, we got to respect the Dent Act We're blowing up these mics You know what I'm saying? But it was like they were like From here on out All crime will be illegal And everyone's like Okay let's stay away from Gotham

[00:49:20] I think Donald Trump should try And pass the Dent Act On a national scale It would be amazing The Dent Act is the thing Maybe the problem isn't this movie But the fact that We haven't adopted the Dent Act In real life That's what it is

[00:49:30] All crime should be illegal This is Christopher Nolan's Real argument He's like Only people would use celluloid To make their movies And finally pass the Dent Act The clowns in Congress More like the jokers Yes Richard T We all know the criminals love Breaking the law They do

[00:49:47] But what this movie presupposes is Maybe they shouldn't No more No no no No no no Who is also making me think Like your initial point Which is that The off-screen stuff Is the good stuff That we're missing Out of Which is like

[00:50:02] You know killer crock got locked up Right off-screen Yes Calendar man Calendar man Yeah Deadshot All these guys Like basically like The universe of the cartoon series Right Is what had taken place Yes And now you just have No more crime Right and I talked about

[00:50:22] In the Dark Knight episode How there's all the stuff Set up directly at the end Of Batten begins That Dark Knight doesn't really do And then this movie implies That all that stuff happened In between off-screen And now it's like Well now it's all done

[00:50:33] He's got the mansion, it's rebuilt Everything's nice But he's also got a beard And he doesn't like leaving the house Uh so That's the scarf too The scarf Which is another weird thing about this movie Is Nolan's folding His Howard Hughes obsession Into a Dark Knight movie

[00:50:45] He supposedly wrote This Howard Hughes script That was like the best script he ever wrote Right He would talk about it for years He almost made it With Jim Carrey And Aviator beat him It was an arms race Between him and Michael Mann

[00:50:56] Who was going to make the Aviator Then Michael Mann dropped out And he was like great I got the lead And then Scorchisi jumped in And then he got He got cheesed Beat beat beat He made it fast Uh so right You're right They're doing this

[00:51:08] And there was a rumor after inception Like oh I've heard rumblings That Nolan wants to go back And actually make The Hughes movie Yeah He feels like it's been long enough Since the Aviator They can make the Hughes movie Then he heard about rules don't apply And then

[00:51:20] I mean he took the lesson He did the warning The rules don't apply To warn Baty To Baty And he's gotta step out Uh Nolan Uh so yeah Why is Batman's leg hurt? Cause it is Cause like That's another thing Where they're like His leg injury is so

[00:51:38] The worst Remember when he hurt his leg In the dark night I don't know It was the dogs I think The dogs They bit it maybe I don't know Oh I thought it was Clayface Yeah Clayface Fuck that guy The dog bit him But isn't it also

[00:51:53] I'm joking Like I Jumps off the thing He lands on Harvey Dent He doesn't land on his leg It's weird College football injury That he can never get over That leg of his Yeah He's so And then when he But then when he decides to be Batman

[00:52:06] Like luckily he has a leg brace Yeah The world's most magical leg brace Now you can do anything Yeah right Forgot about the leg brace Yeah yeah he does have that Anyway You have all the technology in the world Why would you just choose

[00:52:17] To walk with a cane But they make the Howard Hughes jokes They go I hear he has a leg He's peeing in maize and jars He's got 30 inch nails So yeah 30 inch nails He's been listening to 9 inch nails Yeah but 30 times Yeah And see Roughly give or take

[00:52:31] So I guess the idea is that Bruce Wayne Is so haunted by the death of Rachel He's never been able to get over That he can't get over And that's why he's a shut-in Because you would think What the way If you want to end the dark night

[00:52:42] With him not being Batman anymore Easy Now he's Bruce Wayne He can be a businessman But that is not how the dark night ends Redirect his money It ends with him telling Gordon Let them chase me They need someone to come after I'm gonna take the hit

[00:52:56] And instead he just is like Actually never mind I'm gonna go chill out In my house for 7 years Give or take Right Yeah cause it would be easy to go Like I'm done Batman has caused more damage Than he Than you know Than he Than good

[00:53:14] Let me peace out And that's the end of the dark night He retires That's fine But of course they can't End the dark night that way Because that would be boring It ends with him being chased by the police Well it would also be boring

[00:53:23] If he was like knocks him off Then he's like The work is done now Batman's job It slides down a Brontosaurus' tail And I don't mind the idea that Rachel's death Is haunting him But then they use it in this really specific Lame Nolan-y way

[00:53:41] Where there's no real And then the scene where Alfred Is like What if she wrote you a letter That specifically enunciated That she wanted to marry Harvey Dent Not you But then I burned it To spare your feelings And now I'm telling you about it

[00:53:59] It's quite a hypothetical Alfred It's like It's But there's a lot of that in this movie Exactly the amount of fealty this movie has The last two movies where it's like Remember that thing Yes That specific thing We're gonna pay it off right now

[00:54:14] But also some of the inceptiony Like I need to have a character Explain exactly what's going on for three minutes Whereas inception as we've said Is using that as means to an end To get to a purely kind of visual

[00:54:24] Cinematic state where you don't have to explain the rules This movie has scenes like When Anne Hathaway comes face to face with Daggett My favorite villain In the whole DC Universe Of Daggett Daggett Played by Ben Mendelsohn He's a real Jag Yeah really and he's a drag

[00:54:42] It's very true But when he's like You're here for the clean slate huh And she's like yeah and he's like The device that allows you to clear your entire name A criminal record and one thumb drive Like there's a lot of fucking

[00:54:54] Scenes in this movie where a character just says Oh hypothetically if this existed And explains everything Well then Batman is sent to the worst prison of all time Which actually turns out to be The worst prison of all time if you're Robert McKee

[00:55:06] Because the amount of fucking over explaining That's happening It's like now you will be subjected to the true torture Tom Conti explaining things It's the worst prison of all time But also the only prison where they can fix a broken back In four hours No it's six months

[00:55:23] It takes six months But they do use ropes It's Dr. Armie Hammer's Tied and Tested Method Ropes It's also like Ropes Birds They also Sorry sorry I'm banging the table Go ahead yeah But they like They gloss over it so quickly

[00:55:42] They like show you what the procedure is And how much it hurts Ropes And then they're like Okay this could take about six months And then they cut to six months later And they're like And that's the final one You know Like his recovery doesn't feel

[00:55:56] I mean we're just It's the most Like where Bane is like Now the ultimate pain you must pay You have to spend time in this rehab clinic That like It's not great Let's be honest Right and you're going to get Physical rehabilitation And training

[00:56:10] And also just like some psychological adjustment Like the people that are really trying to help It's Tom Conti I mean the guy is God damn charming Let's be honest Right But it is this bizarre thing Where this movie is very long Very long Is it Nolan's longest movie?

[00:56:24] It has to be Right Well interstellar is very long Yeah Let me look it up I've got it for you here It's coming The news of the running time Interstellar is Two hours forty nine minutes And the Dark Knight Rises Is two hours forty five

[00:56:43] So interstellar beats it Wow It's a movie that's very long And still feels very rushed Because all those scenes feel like Well we just got to get this out quickly And it's like Yeah what the way to do it be To make the first hour of the movie

[00:56:59] Twenty minutes Where it's like Bane's takeover Is immediate Like in very fast and mysterious And then you spend almost all the movie On the prison And explaining Bane And Bane's time in Gotham And Batman returning Rather than It's an hour before Bane breaks him Maybe an hour ten

[00:57:19] Like it's a lot of movie Bruce doesn't put on the suit until minute forty five Yeah Very similar to Batman again And he's broken at one ten And he doesn't return until Like two Two One fifty something Yeah Yeah He returns to Gotham

[00:57:36] As Bruce Wayne at like one fifty I think on the dot And doesn't put the suit on again until almost like Two on the nugget So there's very little Batman in this movie It's really saved for the end And there's one stretch in the first act

[00:57:50] Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Sorry Bartman I think that's one way to fix the movie It's just it's very That's a way to fix the movie and focus it But it would have to choose what kind of movie it wants to be

[00:58:05] It does feel like this movie is often An exercise in Would it be possible to make a Batman movie without Batman at all Mm-hmm You know Yeah, be interesting Because John Blake is really kind of fulfilling the main Batman role For most of the movie

[00:58:19] Yeah in a way He's fulfilling like the narrative function of how Batman needs to How do you feel about John Blake Played by Joseph Gordon Leavitt I weirdly liked him a lot more this time He's doing a lot of Squintin He squints, squints with one eye

[00:58:35] The idea of John Blake who is Nolan's Robin take Yes Is it's sort of this mix of the classic Robin I.e. orphaned boy looks up to Batman Right With the Tim Drake Robin, the Robin of my childhood Which is the origin of him was that

[00:58:51] He was a smart kid A detective who figures out Who Batman's secret identity is Goes to Bruce Wayne and says I know you're Batman, here's how I know Can I be Robin? And Bruce Wayne's like I like your moxie, like you know Okay

[00:59:06] And then he convinces him like I know you don't want to have a Robin Cause your last Robin died but like Look at me, I'm smart Like yeah Jason Todd the lamest of the Robins Sure He's a tough one Yeah But then there's a lot of Gordon there

[00:59:17] Because he has no vigilante impulse Exactly But then at the end he does Which is tidy Because there's one thing that happens That exists in the movie That exists only to make John Blake realize That the cops They follow the rules too much

[00:59:34] And we need a vigilante under a waterfall Who's gonna help balance out the equation So I know we're going out of order here But it's hard to even talk to the plot this movie Without trying to diagnose what's going on here

[00:59:45] Cause like you're not watching it going like What isn't working If you're playing Blank Check Bingo Griffin saying it's hard to do the plot in order Is definitely like That's a given That's the center square Yeah Right, that's the freebie Yeah But I like his performance actually

[01:00:00] In this I do like it I think he's fine Yeah, he's fine It's just that funny thing with Nolan Where he's like the second movie in a row By an actor that he likes The second performance is often like a little worse

[01:00:15] I think he's actually a little better in this than Inception I think he fits in the movie better in Inception I hate to see out of control We're both doing a real Jogo face In here Jogo I think it's one of two things

[01:00:29] I think either he should have just said This is Dick Grayson Or this is, you know Tim Drake Whatever Name the character outright And said my version of This character is a cop I agree with you I will admit that in the theater

[01:00:45] I did get this little flutter of excitement When he goes like Oh, try my legal name And I was like Oh, I hadn't even thought about this He's gonna be Robin Like it did genuinely take me by surprise I got that flutter as well

[01:00:57] It is so sweaty that scene It's Detective John Blake I'm not seeing it, John Blake Oh right It wouldn't be under John Blake Not my name My name is Robin The Boy Wonder Right, here Let me hand you my photo ID Not say my name out loud

[01:01:14] Check my legal name What is it? Ooh, I like that name You should use it more often Robin Okay, fuck you So his name is John Robin Blake Or John is his middle name And Robin's his first name Yeah, Robin John Blake I don't know

[01:01:27] Okay, I mean, you know But also Hey man What's Batman Forever's explanation Of the Robin name? What? He has a cool bike helmet With a Robin on it Yeah It's pretty cool But also Robin is not Robin's name It's his nickname Yeah, his name's Dick Grayson

[01:01:42] Right, so then you'd have a Robin Who has to change his superhero name Because it would be his identity It is funny that he's Robin It's like what's the natural companion Of the bat This little bird Yeah You know what I'm saying

[01:01:55] I think there's a version of this movie Where he goes, look The Nolan vs. Robin Little fat bird The Nolan vs. Robin is a spiritual Robin Sure Yeah, yeah, yeah I named the character Tim Drake Or Dick Grayson Yeah He's a cop

[01:02:08] He's not going to get into the suit It's the idea of a hero taking a different form Being able to go through it A straight way rather than the way that Bruce Wayne Thinks the only way to actually affect anything Is by putting on the mask Right? Yeah

[01:02:21] He's like a counterpoint Do you think the D.C.E.U. was going to do a Robin? Where's their Robin? Well their Robin's dead Yeah, but they got to do another one They'll do one at some point Because the Jason Todd is dead Right? That's the idea Yes

[01:02:32] Because there's been a lot of talk about a Nightwing movie Right Whatever What the people give the people what they want Nightwing Which the like Batman director is going to do Are you fucking kidding me? I'm not Great I'm so excited for that

[01:02:44] I think it'd be more interesting if they did Like female Robin They either did like What's her name? Cassie I'm forgetting her last name now Or the Dark Knight Returns character Well there's the Dark Knight Returns character Which is just a kid who shows up and is like

[01:03:00] Let me fight Who I love that character You're thinking of Spoiler, the Stephanie Brown But Yeah Right, the Dark Knight Returns one is Cassie Yes, the Dark Knight Returns one is Cassie Stephanie Brown's spoiler was Robin Stephanie Brown is the one who was a spoiler

[01:03:13] Then she was Robin And then she was Batgirl Right And now they're doing a Batgirl movie Supposedly with Josie But I think it's Barbara Gordon Probably Current Batgirl is really good I don't know if you read that Yeah, it's awesome Isn't also current Batwoman pretty cool?

[01:03:26] Like don't people talk about that? Yeah, Renee Montoya I haven't read it but I hear it's very good Lot of stuff going on Lot of good stuff going on Anyway, anyway Anyway, that was Nerd Corner What I was gonna say is Watching this

[01:03:36] I almost was taking with this idea And I don't know if this is dumb Right, talking about What's the way to handle this character I almost think the other way to do it is Definitely I think the first hour of this movie Has to be 20 minutes Yeah, right

[01:03:50] That's a good pitch, right? Right, it's really unbalanced Because the first hour of the movie Let me try and go through it It's like you've got a party Bruce Wayne is a recluse Right He's holding things as mansion Wayne mansion has been restored

[01:04:01] But it's all covered in sheets But he throws parties there He hides in the shadows He hides in the shadows Selena Kyle is pretending to be a caterer There's a lot of because Selena Kyle Arch and stuff We gotta get to her

[01:04:11] Because I actually think she's one of the stronger parts Of the movie I think she's the best performance in the movie Yeah So you've got a lot of like Selena Kyle the cat burglar She's playing these villains Like, dag it off of each other Yada, yada, yada

[01:04:22] And she's sort of a philosophical cabal She's doing it to survive But she also is It's a 99% kind of Whatever She has a whole speech about the uprising The resistance And then you've got like Miranda Tate who's this like air To the business world

[01:04:36] A character who is not ever established properly Oh, I think she's wonderful No, of course It's a fucking disaster But it's so weird how clumsily They insert her and just accept The idea of her Expect you to accept her Is that she's a nice lady

[01:04:50] Who Alfred and Lucius And maybe everyone else is like You should really marry Bruce Wayne Well, it's like she's She's this weird sort of like Moral center, right? Yeah And sort of force for good When he comes out to the party And she sees him

[01:05:08] She's like, oh, you've been dodging on my cause Like the idea that he's been ignoring Her attempts to get the Wayne Foundation To step up to the plate And do some good, right? Mm-hmm Then it turns out they've been doing that good

[01:05:18] Even though they haven't been communicating with her Then they kind of immediately fall in love Then they place her at the head of Wayne Industries And then she's Talia Well, it's the last part That's the huge problem Right Which I think she could have been Talia

[01:05:34] From the beginning I... well look Alright, so here's my Should we just get to that? Here's my problem with that Okay I mean the movie is positing Talia The woman who survived The only one to ever escape Like this badass

[01:05:50] And then we learn she's the daughter of Liam Neeson Ninja King Right And then she like, what does she do? She drives a car for five minutes And then dies They don't give her any chance Which feels like a waste

[01:06:03] Can I give you my alternate pitch for this movie? Yeah, go for it So crime has not been solved Right Completely Maybe things have gotten better in this legacy Right But that's kind of the pitch of the darkness Anyway, go on Okay, but things have proceeded

[01:06:23] But Bruce is at this like moral crossroads Where he just feels like he doesn't know He's still Batman-ing But his heart's not really in it anymore Right Kind of an analog to Nolan perhaps I think that's better Right Just sort of part time Batman Right Although I guess...

[01:06:40] Yeah, but anyway, yeah carry on Talia and Bane arrive Sure Okay, not Miranda Tate Talia Hey, I'm Rashal Ghul's daughter He really wants that twist For some reason But the movie loses so much I agree Okay, so Talia and Bane show up Right, and she's like

[01:07:00] Here's my philosophy Here's what I'm preaching Bane's my fucking muscle guy on the ground Right Because I kind of like once There's that final scene where you set up The weird relationship between Talia and Bane Right You know this like... The relationship could be interesting

[01:07:14] I would love to see that play throughout the entire movie Especially because those are two good actors Right It would be nice to see them be able to play off each other And give Bane other things to play Not that Tom Hardy isn't doing everything

[01:07:23] That he's handed very well But it would be nice if the character Had more dimensionality, right? Yeah Yeah Batman goes to fight Bane and is broken And rather than being thrown into the pit He's recovering at Wayne Manor So rather than the recluse stuff

[01:07:37] That's at the beginning of the movie That's when he sort of enters his recluse phase But do they still take over the city Like in the same way? So he's like in hiding But they don't know he's Bruce Wayne Correct Because of course part of it is like

[01:07:48] Selena lifts the fingerprint They figure out that he's Bruce Wayne Yeah, Karen Right But the two allies he's made at the beginning Of the movie are Selena Kyle Who is sort of an uneasy alliance with Right And Dick Grayson Okay Young up on... Up and up Cop

[01:08:03] You know Mm-hmm Who hasn't totally figured out that he's Batman But kind of sees something in him Mm-hmm And you kind of go into a Batman beyond type thing Okay Where Feeble Bruce trains Robin to be the new Batman People would have freaked out about that I agree

[01:08:21] Because you want Batman They want Batman I agree Right That's your fifth movie Maybe that's what I feel like I agree but the problem is I think Nolan knew I don't want to make five of these I gotta wrap everything up here I know

[01:08:32] But it's just strange that in deciding He wanted to wrap everything up Yeah He's like, okay I'm gonna make a direct sequel to Batman Begins That almost ignores that the Dark Knight Ever happened Yes Because if this movie had come out after Batman Begins

[01:08:48] It feels like Batman Begins too Right And it's like it had actually been from 2005 to 2012 Yeah Then there's more logic to it Where it's just about the Batman vs. the League of Shadows Right Instead the Dark Knight happened in the middle

[01:09:01] And of course this movie is very connected to the Dark Knight Because it has the Dentax, the Notorious Act And the Rachel Death Outlawed criminality Throughout the land! Sorry Three times he's having to turn my fucking mic down Um He's so mad at me

[01:09:14] But also, the Joker is never mentioned I think out of deference and respect They don't do that But it feels weird that the movie never acknowledges the Joker I know Like from a story standpoint Especially because he's not dead Right And of course that was a lot of

[01:09:26] There was a lot of discussion of that throughout The production of the movie People are like, is he gonna use archive footage? Is he gonna have any kind of reference to the Joker And Nolan who is a smart and compassionate man Was like, no No

[01:09:38] But it's more drawing because You don't have other villains going around the city Especially when they release everyone from Black Gate Prison Especially when you still have these Arkham Asylum guys Like it's weird that it's just like Bane and Talia who are this cult

[01:09:51] And then Scarecrow who's just a judge now He's just Judge John Hodgman You know with his fake court Sure, I like his fake court though I do too, I love him I do like when he goes death by exile He's funny He's very funny in those little scenes

[01:10:04] Well what I would do, I mean I would make a movie where It's not that Dick Grayson becomes Robin or becomes Nightwing It's literally like, I need you to put on the suit Because Batman's a symbol He means more than me And someone needs to be out there

[01:10:16] As Batman to protect people And at the end you have Bruce Kamman With his crazy mechanical harness And he wears the armored suit And the two of them fight together I mean shit they did the armored suit In Batman vs Superman It's not like that Anyway

[01:10:28] That's I think the cleaner version Of that story without having to do all the Twists and turns Right Where he's, this is the one movie where The twists aren't for any larger narrative purpose They're not saying anything It's just gotchas Yeah You know?

[01:10:42] And he loses so much by spending all the shoe leather Trying to misdirect you At so many different points Yeah I mean the whole fucking fake out with Bane Being the kid in the pit Is just like who gives a shit What are you talking about?

[01:10:54] And also you know That's not Bane Like even if you haven't guessed the twist yet You're like look the big guy's Bane Like you figured it out It's not And also it's Joey King Like the It's a girl I mean that's not everyone's guessing that

[01:11:07] It could be a little Bane But yeah We're not all as big Joey King fangs As you and I Well Zach Braff the number one Joey King fangs I never saw that movie Yeah they worked together And Oz the Great and powerful

[01:11:19] And then he wrote that film for her Anyway I wish you were here Yeah I wish I was here Wish I was there What's the name of that fucking movie? Wish You were here Now I want to look it up You

[01:11:35] Because I remember there was like a lot of complaint That it was actually grammatically incorrect I think I wish I was Wish Because there's also the Matthew Wiener movie That has the weird title The Matthew Wiener movie is not fade away Isn't it?

[01:11:48] Or is that the David Chase movie? That's the David Chase movie The Matthew Wiener movie is called You are here And then I think they retell it Are you here? The Matthew you're right It was called You are here And now I want to look

[01:12:00] I think it was retitled Are you here? That's the stupidest title I've ever heard Domest Hey that's my favorite part of Garden State Are you here Can I tell you guys my favorite part? Yeah The lesson that you yell at Domps

[01:12:15] I believe you've complained about this on this very podcast before And I love it It sticks in your craw to this day From New Jersey So that movie must mean so much to you It's about the Garden State It gets Jersey right I mean it really does 100% Yep

[01:12:31] I had a rich friend Mooch is in that movie right? Mooch? He made it in right? King of Jersey note Yeah just go yell it out Listen to this Shinn's record It will change your life Sometimes when I'm feeling really unoriginal

[01:12:49] I decide to do something that no one has ever done before I wish I was here Fuck you so hard That's what it's called And I think everyone was like I think it should be wish I were here I can't remember So anyway

[01:13:09] How the fuck did we get on Wish I Joey King right But that's the twist I would have done I would have done the movie where You sell it all as Batman Yeah Right And then Oh my god 30, 45 minute mark Maybe even take an hour right?

[01:13:24] Batman's back is broken and he can't fight And then it becomes Joseph Gordon Leavitt in the suit Until Batman finally gets his Magical mechanical harness I could see this Right Cause the other problem was The way they advertised it Anyone with half a brain knew

[01:13:37] That Bane was gonna break Batman's back It's like why pick Bane if you're not gonna do that As the primary villain I'm trying to remember the trailers exactly But I remember they certainly suggested A fight where Batman is beaten down Like we did not maybe show you

[01:13:48] The back breaking moment And so You kinda knew that was coming anyway It was that in the vehicles That's all they could show Cause that's the only Batman stuff Yeah I remember the trailers really tried to Sweat the like very few funny lines In this movie

[01:14:02] Because there was the one where She's like My mom told me about getting Cars with strange boys She's not a car It's not a car And then there's one other Where oh yeah it's like Oh your wife took your car And he's like My wife Yeah

[01:14:17] Have you seen the ABC Family Trailer Of Batman Begins? Yeah it's great So I'm posting it on reddit I want you to check it out I love it so much Yeah Does it come in Black I remember the week that Batman I'm sorry Batman Begins came out

[01:14:31] On Best Week Ever Yeah Cause you know best week ever Their whole thing was they would like Pick a take on the topic And then ask all the standups to riff In the direction of that predetermined take Like that's what the writers would do Is like

[01:14:45] What's our angle on this Their angle was Batman and Throbbing And it was everyone talking about How this was the sexiest Batman ever Like they thought that was going to be The dominant narrative of that movie In terms of public response was like

[01:14:59] Cause they had like Catwoman and stuff No no for Batman Begins Oh oh for Batman Begins They were like Because they had Katie Holmes and stuff So the new Batman movie came out This weekend And Batman's hot now Like that was the whole segment Uh huh

[01:15:12] Being like I'm used to The bettering But this is that Dickering How are we doing? You know what we've also never talked about What? Tankman Begins What is that? Okay Oh Jesus why did I ask? Cause we gotta do this as a catch-all

[01:15:27] For all the Dark Knight trilogy stuff We haven't talked about What the fuck is Tankman Begins? It was one of the special features On the Batman Begins DVD It was an MTV parody From the year that Jimmy Fallon Hosted the MTV Movie Awards

[01:15:40] Oh Andy Dick appears to be involved Yes he does Love that It is Dude I've never seen this It's on the DVD And they didn't have a lot of features On the DVD Sure sure So it was like weird that Nolan Chose to include this Oh that's funny

[01:15:53] That was amusing It's like Ah God I'm hosting the MTV Movie Awards And I'm running late How am I gonna get there in time? And then Batman shows up with the Tumblr And then they do the whole He's driving on rooftops Sequence I got you

[01:16:10] Where he's got the passed out Rachel Dawes Except they superimposed Jimmy Fallon And he's making a bunch of jokes About Batman And everyone keeps on missing Didentifying him as Tankman The joke is they keep on going This guy's driving to Tank Must be Tankman or something

[01:16:23] And it's so fucking sweaty Cause I used to love those Is that sound that funny Yes the MTV Movie Awards Host place themselves We talked about the Matrix Reloaded one But this one is like a disaster And they put it on the DVD And there's a point

[01:16:36] Maybe the one good joke In the entire thing Is they cut to Jimmy Fallon Doing the most offensive Italian stereotype Like Mario Brothers shit Where it's like Ah this is me The shingle man I have finally finished shingling This rooftop 40 years of shingling And then you did Tankman

[01:16:53] Tankman Never heard of that one It's a bad movie Not as bad Shrek 4D But a bad movie nonetheless Right Okay So I like Tank girl Me too When are they gonna reboot that Feels like that feels like something That feels very overdue That feels close We're close

[01:17:11] We're like 5 minutes from Aren't they rebooting the crow Like all those 90's things We're gonna get like a lily I'm in poor Tank girl Yeah the bad batch was so bad I haven't seen it Oh that was a rough movie So they titled it correctly

[01:17:23] That's indeed the bad movie So Selena Kyle Yes She's a cat burglar Yes She has night vision goggles Which if you flip them up Kind of looks like little cat ears We all designed night vision goggles So that the furthest outmost edges of them Petrude a little more

[01:17:42] So if you were flipping them up on the top of their head Little cat ears Cause I remember when it was announced He's doing Catwoman in this one He's cast Anne Hathaway Yeah People were like fuck that Right Catwoman are iconically done By Michelle P Obviously

[01:17:58] Probably in my opinion The best performance in a comic book movie Ever It's right up there It's the best superhero performance in my money She's so good Anne Hathaway Felt like a weird choice At this point Let me find the actual filmography

[01:18:11] Cause I want to get it exactly right I mean she's come Rachel getting married She already had an Oscar nom in the pocket Rachel getting married is 2008 So people are like Okay You've proven that you are The talent that you've been positioning yourself as In a weird way

[01:18:26] Cause there was this kind of thing where she kind of like Suddenly was in these serious movies And everyone was like Anne Hathaway I think she's good and broke back She is It's a small role Rachel getting married She really steps up to the play

[01:18:36] She's a clever thing She's excellent She would have been my winner that year She's good She's excellent And then 2009 She's got one movie Boy is it a winner Ride Wars Her hair is blue Written by It's blue Casey Wilson, June Diana I feel Yeah Then in 2010

[01:18:57] She's in Valentine's Day Small role And shaking his head Because we've literally The mics have caught on fire Yeah If you're gonna yell Just back off My hair is blue Ready? My hair is blue My hair is blue Um My hair is blue Valentine's Day Alice in Wonderland

[01:19:19] Love and Other Drugs So she's doing a weird run After she proves herself To be like a serious Real deal actress Of not doing any serious Real deal parts I think she's kind of fun In Alice in Wonderland Actually but that movie's a disaster

[01:19:33] I think she's kind of fun I don't like her in Alice in Wonderland I don't like her in Love and Other Drugs Haven't seen it You haven't seen it? Oh we should do this movie Just for you to get pissed off about that thing

[01:19:43] Yeah that was a hard pass for me 2011 she does Rio and One Day Do you remember the Jill and Hall? And One Day is like a Some people are like Ooh maybe that's gonna be Like a big romantic drama hit There's a lone scapheric movie

[01:19:54] And it goes nowhere It's kind of bad So Right She's not like She's not like screaming catwoman right now No She's in a weird zone She still has that reputation As like a theater kid Do you remember the Jill and Hall Love and Other Drugs controversy?

[01:20:09] What was it? Cause they were like This movie's got a lot of sex It is These characters are gonna fuck a lot Uh huh And then some early bootleg leaked out Of one of their sex scenes Uh huh And in the low res quality People were like

[01:20:25] Oh my god Fucking Jake Jill and Hall His dick is humongous Look at his dick And then it turned out it was like The bedboats Because it was like Low res I do not remember this At all People were like This is the biggest dick in human history

[01:20:40] Biggest dick in cinema Right And it was like a ladder behind the bed Alright Okay Whatever But then this year She's in this movie Quits herself great Yes I think she does a great job I think she has a really excellent job

[01:20:54] I think she has the best performance in the film I probably I love Hardy Yeah She's the last caddie She's just doing a different thing Which is wise Don't go for the don't go for the thing Cause Pfeiffer's real caddie She's owning the cat shit Yeah

[01:21:08] And of course Halle Berry had probably shown us how to not do A Michelle fight for type of woman Oh right The other thing was When they announced that Anne Hathaway had been cast And I remember Kutierre was kind of like Kutierre and Kotiar Kukuk Kotiar

[01:21:22] She is Kuku And Rachel Weiss were like The two big fan cast choices For Catwoman No, they were Rachel Weiss was the one Everyone wanted to be Talia That was like The most boring thing people would say online All the time Cause she looks like Talia Sure

[01:21:36] As drawn But there were Rumors from the gecko Oh he's gonna have Catwoman He's gonna have Talia in it So then when they were like No, Miranda Tate everyone was like Fuck this Yeah well for sure It was like a John Harrison In Star Trek situation

[01:21:47] But I remember those being the two names That kept on being thrown around For those two characters And they both felt like No-Linny people And then Hathaway came out of nowhere But in the announcement They said Hathaway has been cast to play Selena Kyle Like they pointedly

[01:21:59] Didn't say Catwoman Whereas when Tom Hardy was cast They said Bane You know So everyone was like Oh is this gonna be something Where he doesn't actually have her be Catwoman So when the first photos came out And she was just like a jewel thief in a suit

[01:22:12] And she didn't seem very cat like There was like the question of how much They were gonna go full Catwoman In this movie Yeah And I think they go full Catwoman Within their interpretation of Catwoman Yeah Which is a jewel thief Who accidentally looks like a cat Uh

[01:22:27] Does she have I can't remember Does she have claws Does she have the claws The only claw thing that she has The heels Yeah The heels Yeah she doesn't do any She doesn't have a whip She doesn't drink milk ever In this movie

[01:22:40] She doesn't order a white Russian hold The vodka and kalua Which is what Halle Berry does in Catwoman No purring No purring She hasn't constantly Have a fully intact Fish skeleton hanging out of her mouth Uh She's not drumming on Trash cans Hanging out with top cans Exactly

[01:23:02] Exactly She's not chasing birds Halle Marks at the shelf I first work She's not giving me allergies But She wins the Oscar the same Is what I'm saying Like it's funny She wins the Oscar for Les Mis Which comes out the same year The same year, crazy

[01:23:24] And so it's a great year for her Yeah But I prefer her in this I would have nominated her for this I would have too And I also really like the scene when she's Kidnapped the congressman played by Fucking what's his name? Brett Cullen Yeah

[01:23:40] This movie's got a lot of really good actors In like day player unnamed character roles I mean I love that guy's face And Nolan knows how to use his face I mean he's got some face work That guy can bathe in the river of him

[01:23:52] That guy sometimes lives in the river of him What a ham I love it Willem Devane plays like the president For half a second on a screen TV that's embarrassing But that scene where One of the many scenes that I would cut

[01:24:04] To be clear if I'm revamping this movie Where she has the whole clean slate Cell phone negotiation with Byrne Gorman and she's like I use the congressman's cell phone And you're like she kidnapped a congressman Like what the fuck are you talking about

[01:24:18] And then the cops burst in And she immediately starts shrieking Like she's been kidnapped herself And crying So good It's such a great Hathaway bit Where it's like she's a theater kid She's an annoying theater kid She's perfect at it I love her in this

[01:24:34] I love her in Interstellar I think Nolan is really Good at unlocking And the thing she does really well in this is The unfair critique of Hathaway Who I think just Gets a really really unfair shape Is that she like She tries too hard

[01:24:52] She wants us to like her too much You know the like theater kid thing Which I think it is That's always been the hit on her Very tied to Massage-Name But I think he harnessed In this and Interstellar An element from Rachel getting married

[01:25:08] Which she hadn't done before that Which was like oh she can do good I don't give a fuck In the two Nolan movies she's just like I'm steadfast, I know what I'm doing I don't give a fuck about you Which is a different shade of her

[01:25:19] Than most directors ask I agree, you're right Because essentially this whole movie is Batman Being like you're not so bad I can tell She's like come on fuck you She's like I'm a piece of shit I stole your mother's pearls Fuck you, I fucking suck

[01:25:31] Yeah I took your fingerprint I literally led you to Bane So he could cripple you Weird choice for her to play Catwoman Sounding like Lenny Clark for rescue me Hey Batman fuck you Fuck yo Batman I remember when he lost a ton of weight

[01:25:46] And you were like whoa Yeah put it back on Lenny Yeah where'd it go You had a good look going You had it Had a good look Lost it, can we try to find it? I feel like we're getting really catty In this episode

[01:26:01] I feel like we've let it go Where'd that weight go And then finally her big hero moment is He puts her on the bat pod And she kills Bane with it She kills Bane Yeah she does She shoots him in the body And yeah, yeah

[01:26:15] And yeah she's really good on the bat pod Although it does make the question Did Batman just shoot Bane with the bat pod? Yeah I think that kiss moment is totally fucking unearned It's like clearly like they just wanted to kiss

[01:26:27] I think you could still get away with that final moment With them at the restaurant without the kiss Oh yeah they admire each other Right Alright so yeah that's another thing in this Fene Branca Right at the beginning of the movie

[01:26:39] Christian Bale's like maybe that should be Batman He's like don't you do it No no no Don't do it But bury another Batman You know he starts doing all that stuff Right Getting into this thing that like No I mean he's like Suddenly his whole face is wobbling

[01:26:55] Cain sells it better than Oldman He's great in this He's phenomenal at this The crying scene at the grave You're like right he can do this shit Like drop of a hat Right In kind of an underwritten role Like yeah Cain sells it really hard

[01:27:08] But it's weird that this movie asks both Gordon and Alfred Batman's two closest friends And most trusted allies to both just get Being angry about everything That's the thing because Cain's like Kind of just like he's been Batman's been in self imposed exile for seven years Yeah

[01:27:25] And Cain is at the point of the start Of the movie gently nudging him To maybe go outside a bit more Maybe I'll be Batman He's like no he drops the tray Ben is losing his mind Ah damn it It's fine it's fine I love you Ben

[01:27:41] And freaks out at him and says I used to go You know what I'll go to a fucking place in Florence To get a Fene Branca And I'm always hoping I'll see you over there The second base like Which is a lot to load on to Bruce Wayne

[01:27:52] Right at once In the first 15, 20 minutes of the movie And also the second they cut away To show him sitting at a restaurant Ordering the Fene Branca looking around You're like Fene Branca Well now here's the fucking ending of the movie Like they give it away too much

[01:28:06] It's like I still like it One Fene Branca I like it as an ending Fene Branca But I think it's like Nolan's not following the own Like rules of a magic trick That he lays out in the prestige Like he keeps on showing you the wrong pieces

[01:28:19] Good take He forgets to prestige us That's true because of course it's the same We ran into Tate where he's like Who could she be? Certainly just someone who's interested In clean nuclear power Nothing else Like he never makes us I definitely wouldn't cast Mary on Cotillard

[01:28:34] In any other role Right Rachelle Gould is very important though Let's talk about it Let's keep on talking about Rachelle Gould That's the point where he's saying he had a wife Yes And a child And we don't state the gender Gester Carbonell? Dag it

[01:28:51] But it does feel like So often the Nolan puzzle thing And I think it is It's the reason why I think It's a prestigious best movie Is that people Miss-identified as a puzzle thing But it really is a magic trick thing

[01:29:08] He wants to be able to pull off a greater fee And pay attention to the wrong thing He wants to applause He wants the applause He's Hugh Jackman He wants to just be the technician that Christian Bale is But he wants the applause

[01:29:20] And he has too much finesse and style To do the Christian Bale thing The first time he does the reappearing man Where he doesn't know how to sell it Where people don't even understand what they're looking at He wants to give you the pieces

[01:29:33] Like he does an inception Give you the pieces clearly So that you're impressed with what he's pulled off It actually means something But in this movie he's not doing it He's not putting in the work And I think it's because he can't figure out

[01:29:45] What the one singular thing he's aiming at is And if the movie is about Gotham City Hanging in the balance I think Gotham is less of a character In this movie than it is in the first two Mostly because like I say The design change is so intense

[01:30:00] That it really almost feels like it's taking place In a different city I think that's big And I also think There is less time spent with the civilians Of Gotham in this movie You know, I mean you're really focusing on John Blake You're focusing on

[01:30:12] Selena Kyle who represents a certain strain Of disenfranchisement Could she be Rashid Hulstanner? Good thing People thought she was going to be someone Right? I think they thought she was going to be a spoiler Spoiler Yeah, whatever Anyway Amazing he never did poison ivy

[01:30:28] It seems like a classic Nolan villain Yeah Yeah Black Mask We still... yeah Humpty Dumpty Sure calendar man Get that calendar out But we haven't really talked about Bane that much No, let's talk about Bane He rules Yeah, he's awesome He rules, he's a really good friend

[01:30:48] Not quite a third friend But you know, he's up there I think the movie doesn't dirty a little bit It doesn't dirty by not giving... He's all show Yes He's lead strong He's front loaded And he's also not in that much of it

[01:31:01] Well he's not in that much of it after the first hour Because the first hour He's in the... Obviously the plane scene is all about him And then you have him gathering his forces underground There's the scene where Gordon rumbles him

[01:31:11] And he, you know, kills a couple of his... It's so comic booky that this movie is about Like Gotham, like all the cops having to live In the sewers This is why I want to keep talking Because yeah, we're deep in this episode

[01:31:22] But we do have to talk about all this weird shit Right It's very comic booky He builds an underground lair Directly underneath the armory of Bruce Wayne He knew where it was Which means he knows that Bruce Wayne is Batman But doesn't choose to do anything about it

[01:31:36] His whole plan is so convoluted Yes And it's like Nolan has this idea of him as this imposing person That is brilliant in my opinion Because Tom Hardy isn't that big No He's maybe 220 pounds tops Like all muscled up Like he photographs big He photographs big

[01:31:53] And it's the same thing as doing the plane thing real Right If it's real Then it works way better than if you just over You know, like CGI or makeup Some guy to look comically large Or hire a wrestler

[01:32:06] And I think he does a really good job of I mean, I think it was smart that he didn't choose To build himself as like muscles upon muscles But just give himself a lot of bull Yeah, he's just like a tree trunk He's not that defined

[01:32:17] But he looks like a bouncer at a bar Right And of course he's bald The way he's dressed is wonderful The mask is very intimidating Great mask design The vest is amazing The vest and then this like big furry coat He's got the sort of like part dictator

[01:32:31] Part like nightclub bouncer Like part like mobster from Russia And he does it Like the scene with Daggett Do you feel in control scene? Where he lays his open hand What's this part? Like front down Like palm up on his shoulder The back of your hand

[01:32:49] The back of your hand You should know it well I'm so tired You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah I am You know that scene? Yes Where it's like that's all he needs to do Is convince you of his physical strength Right

[01:33:05] And then you cut away and you hear Daggett going like AHHHH He's like Well and that's you know Bane in the comics was written to be a genius A genius who is large Right, he's both Right, he's both And then he had sort of been diminished

[01:33:19] Through various properties I mean Batman and Robin Delaude The damage of just making him the muscle Yeah You know just making him Surely a physical force Without that sense of strategy You know He's mindless in that movie Right So you've got all this

[01:33:32] And then you're like what's his plan? His plan is to seal Gotham off Right And have a nuclear bomb That's part of this like nuclear power plant That Bruce Wayne built but never used He wants to destroy the government He wants to get power to the people

[01:33:45] But not for any clear reason He doesn't actually Because in that big speech That you let the podcast off with He's saying like I'm gonna pretend like I'm giving power to the people And then blow them up So it's like him trying to do

[01:33:58] The Rosh El Ghul thing That he was trying to do in the first movie Except why waste all the time Why would you ever just blow them up? If you got the bomb just blow them up He's got this idea where there's a trigger man

[01:34:07] Who is turns out to be Talia Who can blow up the bomb at any point But Which feels kind of joker-y That he's trying to prove a point about The people and their Their intents What points he proved me He's not proving any point

[01:34:21] And the point has no gain to him And it's not like philosophically That's what he believes in Like the Joker He gives all these speeches Right where he's like Finally the men You know the many will have The power over the few

[01:34:30] Yadda and he locks the police away In this like crazy thing Where he lures them all underground So it's like okay so he hits police He hits government But then he lets the criminals out And gives them all machine guns So it's like So he likes K-On

[01:34:40] So people are supposed to be like Oh I love Bane He's really cleaned up the city And then of course his big moments Are He blows up a football field Which is this like impressive shot But it's because it's CGI Yeah It's one of those no one things

[01:34:54] That doesn't really work for me It's weird It's fine And it would be impressive in another movie Because the rest of it's so practical Like you can tell all that stuff with the bat That they were actually hanging that thing up The bat is awesome

[01:35:04] You can tell that they used the CGI to green screen Sure sure sure You know the wires or whatever But you can tell there's actually a fucking physical thing Running through those streets It's a very cool thing in my opinion It's a very very cool thing

[01:35:14] So then when you have the football stadium explode Even if it's a striking imagery It jars with the rest of Nolan's like dog ball And it seems to prove no purpose except I guess he's just announcing himself Right And then so he does that

[01:35:26] And wait I lost my train of thought here Oh and then he reads the speech Right By Jim Gordon where he's like In fact listen to Jim Gordon And saying like See this piece of paper proves it And everyone's like Oh he must be right

[01:35:40] He's got a piece of paper There's a Looney Tunes character Your Bane impression sounds like I'm close to figuring out who your Bane is Marvin the Martian Yes that's who it is You sound like Marvin the Martian Great Very good job of your city

[01:35:51] Yes yes nailed it nailed it Great I can sleep now Now I can go to sleep Now I just love the idea of Marvin the Martian being the villain Love Marvin the Martian When Gotham is destroyed You will have my permission to die

[01:36:04] You do a much better Marvin the Martian Uh okay let's see So you came back to die with your city It is good Jesus That's a really good thing So my problem with Bane Is his plan just seems to end up Being a story mechanic Agreed

[01:36:21] To let Batman go away Heal up with Tom Conti Rackintour Legend of British theatre And then get his back right Right Climb out of the pit using the rope But then he doesn't use the rope So the pit's supposed to be another Non-literal version of the Lazarus Pit

[01:36:38] Right is that the idea? Yes so because the whole movie Everyone was like Oh there's a Lazarus Pit For example check out this press photo Of a pond That has to be the Lazarus Pit Liam Neeson's coming back And instead Liam Neeson does come back

[01:36:50] For one like vision Which is confusing Where he's like Let me explain to you how it all works I'm the father of not Bane Anyway how would I know that Goodbye It's so weird He shows up to trigger a flashback To a thing that actually happened Josh Pence

[01:37:12] Josh Pence No no but he also triggers the flashback To him saying I had a wife watch You're right it's true You know Because the Josh Pence flashback Is triggered by Tom Conti Not by Neeson Neeson shows up to remind him That he had a wife and child

[01:37:27] That's what being a pro is When you trigger a Josh Pence flashback Tom Conti man Alright it's so funny I kept on asking them to let me do that On draft day and they were like You're not ready Gryff To trigger Josh Pence

[01:37:40] I was like can I say something That triggers a flashback To Bo Callahan in high school And they were like Gryff You're not ready You're still getting your C-Lugs You're not Conti level You gotta go into pit for six months And wrap some ropes around you

[01:37:50] With Armie Hammer The idea is like the Armie Hammer plays the bald guy Who's blind Yes He's a chameleon The pit's really weird in this movie too Because it's like a jail without guards Without guards that's Not that intense

[01:38:05] It seems like it's just a bunch of old guys Shuffling around a very weird amount of stairs Who have kind of found inner peace And lucky Yeah they seem all very chill Right and want to impart their wisdom Onto other people

[01:38:15] And it's tuned to like Gotham local news Maybe it's particularly weird to me When he's like the worst prison in the world The only channel we got is Fox 5 And yet we're told Halfway around the world We're told We have Ernie and Astus Keep fucking that chicken

[01:38:40] We're told over and over again By the people in the prison How bad the prison is And how like it was such a miracle That Talia escaped it Yes, a man is as good as dead if he comes down here No one gets out of the pit alive

[01:38:55] Let's see how many warmy apples Neil Rosen gave Valerian Do you want your eggs scrambled or poached today? The only options in the worst prison There are no guards and they're like Only the worst people end up in this prison But if you can make it out alive

[01:39:18] You're pretty comfortable Yeah no the rules of this prison are You can't leave The only way out is to climb that thing And the only thing you have is a rope And stones set into the wall And you get as many tries as you want

[01:39:30] Get as many tries as you want But be careful and make sure to wrap that rope around you Oh and also if you do get to the top You can let everybody out Also if you do get up to the top

[01:39:38] There is a private plane waiting right there To take you wherever you need to go Because Batman gets out of there wearing rags And he shows up in Gotham the next day And he's like Hey Selina, I got here But the bridge is yeah Well I'm here

[01:39:51] The pit's kind of just like big brother I guess Or like survivor It's like I'm a celebrity Getting me out of here right, yeah It's so weird And that's too bad because I do like a lot of the imagery I like how the pit looks Like I like

[01:40:07] Even the sort of like The cut to Gotham in the snow And the tumblers are rolling around And John Blake's making the little Batman marks Everywhere in chalk And like the imagery is there And Nolan's command of the set pieces is there It's a very well directed movie

[01:40:25] In terms of directing that script The best anyone possibly could But he doesn't know what story he's telling And then when you get to the climax It's this I mean it's sweaty like you say It's a clusterfuck We have to get the bomb that he's been driving around

[01:40:42] Because today's the day it blows up Which feels like a weird homage To the Adam West Batman movie Where he's trying to get rid of the bomb In the back copter It's really interesting And then also we need to have this strange image

[01:40:56] Of a mob of cops fleeing down the street Charging the people In this like you know Yay sequence The whole thing's odd And the whole sense of like Okay Gotham's gone underground There are only a couple cops But they can't even admit who they are

[01:41:13] Dean's a yellow-bellied coward I think Dean's good in this He's not better than he dies Brutal Yeah But I think If you want to make a movie about a city collapsing He has to focus more on the city And not just three people dealing with the problem

[01:41:32] You know like as much as It can be pinpointed as Like the moment where he gets kind of sloppy And unfocused For the larger philosophy of the movie The two boats thing in Dark Knight really does a lot You know like even if it's weird storytelling

[01:41:48] It makes Gotham matter And the fact that he gives the people that choice And they make the right choice matters And this doesn't do anything like that I'm not saying they need to have two boats again I'm not saying they need to have human beings

[01:42:00] You know regular citizens Rising up and making their own choices And doing the right thing But the movie doesn't have enough of a sense Of place Considering how much the plot is about Gotham Gotham being hobbled Being removed from the rest of the world Cut off

[01:42:15] How do they make the bat signal in gas Onto the Brooklyn Bridge And also that's a waste of time I'm sorry I know you want people to know that Batman's back But like how many men had to climb up that bridge And just with a paintbrush

[01:42:28] Just run gasoline up and down it No I think the wing is at a little more of a 20 degree angle Okay thank you Oh we had an upside down the whole time Fuck we gotta start over Yeah right let's go the other side It's a weird movie

[01:42:43] Very weird movie The ending is he fights Bane Beats him and Bane is like What I broke you Like he's like surprised even though He left him in the prison to not die Right He beats Bane by punching him a bunch And then Selena shoots him

[01:43:03] And then Talia shows up Stabs Batman Yes Gives a whole speech Drives the bomb around for five minutes Dies very quickly And she's an Academy Award winner so she does Kickstart a couple of Pence flashbacks Uh huh She knew how to do it Uh good job Thank you

[01:43:21] The most mocked and inexplicable death scene Right Yeah That is just where she just sort of Shakes her head and she's dead Jessica just suddenly shows up wearing SuperVillain clothes She does she's wearing this sort of like Middle Eastern like Gaff-Dand thing Right Uh where

[01:43:41] That's very tied to the I mean she's wearing like Like the Kenwantanabe sort of Outfit from Batman Begins A more muted version of that Okay And I just Oh right yeah with Nolan it's like Nolan's a meticulous film Yeah He puts a lot of effort into this stuff

[01:44:00] Right How is that the take they use of her dying Yeah It used to be a conscious choice Right Like Kotiard's like I want to play it this way But it's a weird take You know Wally Fister This is the last movie that they worked on together

[01:44:15] I would love to know why that's the take Sure Like what too Is it just because Kotiard was like No this is my conception of how she dies And that's how I want to play it Because I cannot believe that all the takes were like that

[01:44:29] If otherwise you know what I mean Sure I would love an answer to that too I agree that it's a much mocked thing on YouTube The sort of the Kotiard death scene I also think this characterization

[01:44:41] And because of the amount of time they spend with the MISTER Act Which never works right They never sell it properly Is shitty because one of the things that's interesting about Tali as a character Is that she is a genuine romantic partner for Batman Right

[01:44:56] That they do have a real relationship Even though they stand on opposite sides of what they represent You know They're not just like oh they fucking Then they fight They turn on each other The sex scene is Weird Sweaty Really This is sweaty stuff

[01:45:12] He needs it to happen so he has it happen Right It's like very pushed along But I also think the moment she reveals herself to be Taliya It's like I'm all bad And the thing that's interesting about Taliya as a character

[01:45:22] Is you can't figure out if she's all bad You know that like well maybe there's something there Right You know And you already have that with Catwoman Exactly And you have both of them I just think And as I said already

[01:45:35] It's just weird to have her not do anything physical Agreed When the whole point of the prison is I mean not the whole point because it's psychological too But like it's such a physical achievement to leave it And the League of Shadows is like such a

[01:45:49] Ninja-like physical organization I will say this I don't know if I'm remembering this Incorrectly But I think I'm right about this Kotear just had a baby right before the movie And there was like everyone wanted her to play Catwoman They were like

[01:46:04] Ah the pregnancy she might not be able to Then they announced Hathaway Then she delivered the baby And then they cast her And her announcement came a little later And I think they maybe shot her stuff towards the end They might have written out physical stuff

[01:46:19] Because she was in a recovery state Yeah that seems plausible I'm trying to find in her personal life Her children In 2011 they had their first child a son And in 2017 their second child a daughter With Guillaume Canette The guy who made No he didn't make the beach

[01:46:40] She's in the beach What did he make? His name doesn't direct movies Blood ties That was his American film Blood ties Tell no one was his big Right that's a good movie That's like a little French brother I'm not crazy about this movie

[01:46:52] He drives me a little crazy But But It is it's a weird use of all these characters Now when the movie came out Everyone was like How are they gonna fucking top the joke? How are they gonna do this? And I remember everyone being very disappointed

[01:47:07] With Bane at the time But Bane's staying power Has been kind of astonishing Because for a movie that is Because it's so unusual And no one's ever tried anything like it since It's a generally disliked movie Yeah because I would say The movie came out got good reviews

[01:47:23] Yeah it got like 95% on all the Dumb aggregation sites Epic score Epic scale thing And the Dark Knight reaction was so positive And in the Inception reaction So right and then quickly It's reputation diminished Bane's reputation Yeah I would agree increased Because what's weird is that

[01:47:41] The Bane love isn't like Well it's kind of like a weird curio Like this bad performance In a bad movie that's Interesting, bad I almost burped there While saying bad A bad performance in a bad movie That is interesting for unintentional reasons

[01:47:58] It is like well this movie sucks But Bane's good All the Bane shit's good Bane's kind of interesting I would largely agree with it He's interesting as a construct It's a good design, it's a great performance And Bane also remains funny Like in the way that

[01:48:10] I was saying It's the opposite of what I was saying Of like I feel like Ledger's Joker's Been diminished a little bit By people running into the ground Yeah exactly But he's still always funny to me Bane rocks Anytime anyone draws Bane I think it's funny

[01:48:22] You put Bane in another situation I think it's funny I still think the joke construction of This would be blah Like pause For you I still think that's funny Yes I do too Everything about Bane's funny He's a good comedian

[01:48:35] It's too bad that he died in this movie I know RIP Michael K. Bane And yes And the saddest part of all is He died Before ever making a Lloyd team It's been a while It's been a while So you made that joke Yes

[01:48:53] The joke will be very repetitive For you Movie ends Batman goes to live with Selena Kyle in Florence Alfred goes to get Fanny Branca Alfred has like Not much Not much But Kane really kills it The early scene, the Furnay Branca And then the graveyard crying scene

[01:49:14] Right at the end Right And then he's like Goes to get another Frenny Branca Yeah The sad one Frenny Branca I would say because they're drinking Frenny Branca It's sort of a bitter ending Or bitter finish And then he sees them Hanging out

[01:49:36] Bale looking great by the way Really great Where you're like Fuck, he's hot Like you get him right He is hot Batman and Thraub in him Alright Seriously And then Yeah, that shot of Blake Swinging into the waterfall Discovering the back cave

[01:49:49] We black out on the thing rising I don't think the movie earns that ending But I think that's the right way for the trilogy to end Do you want to play the box office game? I do So Avengers had broken all the box office records

[01:50:02] That had previously been owned by The Dark Knight Yeah Dark Knight was like 154 And then Avengers I think open to like 202 or something crazy Right Passed 2 Or Harry Potter had broken the records in between But anyway Avengers was the first to crack 2

[01:50:21] And when Avengers outperform people were like Oh my God, if Avengers did that much Imagine how much Dark Knight's gonna do 207 207 Right But yeah, but then Dark Knight does open a little low The shooting happens at midnight It scared people a little bit

[01:50:33] It continued to do really well, multiplied well But the opening wasn't as huge as they thought it would It made 160 million dollars opening weekend Yeah Domestic total 448 And worldwide 1.08 Basically the same worldwide total as The Dark Knight Slightly higher

[01:50:49] Right, it made little more overseas a little less domestic Exactly Yeah So it opens number one July 20th, 2012 Okay Number two Is an animated film That had come out and debuted at number one the week before Brave? No That is number five That's number five Okay Yes

[01:51:08] Which is made 208 It is a fox picture It's a fox, it's a blue sky film I think so Is it an Ice Age? Yes But which Ice Age Is it Continental Drift? Yes, correct Hell yeah It is Oh boy, what is that the fourth That's the fourth one

[01:51:26] The fourth one, yeah So that's there man We've talked about this way too much on the podcast But yeah Number three has been out for three weeks Okay It's a superhero movie It has made 180 million dollars It was a disappointment compared to the

[01:51:40] film that had come before it Although it was not really connected to that film Interesting Is it 2012 Is it an X-Men picture? No It is not really His first class is I think 2011 I think so too And Wolverine is 2013, right? The Wolverine Best one Agreed 2012 Is not a

[01:52:06] Oh It's not a Marvel movie, is it? Marvel character, not a Marvel movie Marvel character It's not a Marvel movie So it's not Oh amazing Spider-Man Amazing Spider-Man starring Andrew Garfield and Dennis Leary Dennis Leary and Larry Clooney Clark Maybe not Number Spider-Man

[01:52:28] Number four has been out for four weeks All these movies that were number one Their first weekend have dropped Like as the next one came in So this was number one four weeks ago It is a comedy or rated comedy I would use that No

[01:52:44] Sure, he'd use it loosely I think it's because he thinks it's not funny It's not funny, it's R rated body It's an original comedy Yeah Starring a big comedy star Kind of Made by a big comedy guy Interesting Starring a guy who's like been in comedies

[01:53:01] I don't know if I'd call him a comedy star Was it not an Apatown movie? No Other guy The other guy And it's not Todd Phillips' movie No It's an odd couple kind of situation True Two-hander Sort of And neither of them are... Oh What is it?

[01:53:22] It's Ted Ted! Yeah America loved Ted And then you got number five, which is great Ted opened to 50 and did 250 Huge hit That's insane 218 Okay, but Ted too, it was amazing how roundly Everyone was like, no, no more of that There was really no need for it

[01:53:41] But I didn't think there was need for Ted one But at least Ted one is like, oh it's a funny idea They made a gross comedy, like ha ha ha ha Ted is, I will say this, I'll give him credit Where credit's due

[01:53:52] Like one of the most effective one sheets It's not like a beautiful poster It's just put Mark Wahlberg on a couch With a teddy bear and they're both holding beers And it's like you've sold your movie If people want to see that They know exactly what it is

[01:54:05] The pitch is that simple on that thumb Right Okay, Ted, and then brave is number five Brave number five, we've also got Magic Mike Hanging out Masterpiece It's made $101 million in four weeks Very impressive Yep Savages, the Oliver Stone joint that I've never seen Never seen it either

[01:54:21] Tyler Perry's Medea's witness protection That's the 60 mil The cable guy one I believe Or that's the, no, that is the Eugene Levy one Yes, correct He's wearing sunglasses on the poster Funny Plays Jim's death Funny funny Moonrise Kingdom Which was a summer release Or a late spring

[01:54:41] I forget exactly Summer Kimonju Tarome with Love is up there Madagascar 3 Europe's Most Wanted And a movie we may one day do On this very podcast Dark Shadows Wink, wink, wink, wink, wink, wink, wink, wink, wink That Dumbo movie Sure sounds weird

[01:55:01] Yeah, it sounds like a real blink check today Yep I guess so They're making another Dumbo movie Live action Directed by Tim Burton Colin Farrell and Will Smith Will Smith's not in, Michael Keeney's in it They moved Will Smith over to something else Aladdin To play The Genie

[01:55:23] Was that Disney? Was that a Disney? Oh yeah So they like They didn't bury that shit Like it should be They're like let's bring it back And revisit This horrid Horrid movie Which one is it? Which one is it? The crow? Well the crow's

[01:55:41] Well I assume they're not bringing back the crow's That would be quite a move What if Tim Burton at Comic-Con Or whatever it was like D23 The crows are in it We cast all Vine stars Vine stars are playing the crows Oh yeah, yeah So that's That's that

[01:56:01] That concludes Two hours, yeah, the Bartman saga Yeah and I don't I wonder, did you feel like disappointed in Nolan? Like was the hype less for you when Interstellar came around? Because he'd made a much more disappointing movie Because before then it always been like

[01:56:18] Oh Nolan he's great, you know, hit, hit, hit It was kind of, I'd say my Interstellar hype Was maybe even greater because it was like Okay now he's getting back to what he clearly wants to be Yeah Yeah

[01:56:29] Because I was very hyped for Interstellar but I love space Like I love astronaut movies I love space, I thought the trailers for that movie Were some of the best trailers ever cut Yeah, well it's his best film And we'll talk about it next week

[01:56:41] Great, we'll talk about it next week Yeah, I mean we're gonna talk about it in like a couple weeks but Right I'm busy Humble rag I'm Biffy I'm Biffy Well this has been our episode on the Duck Knight Rises True Thank you all very much for listening Yep

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[01:57:16] Blankies.reddit.com Yes And As always As always He's really searching for something He's grabbing in the air What's he gonna say? Uh I'm Bain Thanks You gotta Marvin the Martian first I broke you Have you come back? That's better