The Devil Wears Prada with Romilly Newman

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check Something funny?

[00:00:24] No, no, nothing. You know it's just that both those belts look exactly the same to me. You know, I'm still learning about all this stuff and... This stuff? Oh, okay. I see. You think this has nothing to do with you. You go to your closet and you select...

[00:00:39] I don't know that lumpy blue sweater, for instance, because you're trying to tell the world that you take yourself too seriously to care about what you put on your back. But what you don't know is that sweater is not just blue. It's not turquoise. It's not lapis. Lapis.

[00:00:52] It's actually cerulean. And you're also blithely unaware of the fact that in 2002 Oscar de la Ranta did a collection of cerulean gowns. And then I think it was Yves Saint Laurent who showed cerulean military jackets. I think we need a jacket here.

[00:01:05] And then cerulean quickly showed up in the collections of eight different designers and then it filtered down through the department stores and then trickled on to some tragic casual corner where you no doubt fished it out of some clearance bin.

[00:01:18] However, that blue represents millions of dollars in countless jobs and it's sort of comical how you think that you've made a choice that exempts you from the fashion industry when in fact you're wearing the sweater that was selected for you by the people in this room

[00:01:30] from a pile of podcast. Podcast? No, podcast. Are you Meryl Streep? Yes, he's Meryl Streep. No, I know just in real life. I mean that was really good. Oh, thank you. That was pretty good.

[00:01:42] Well, I've seen this movie a number of times. Hello everybody, my name is Griffin Newman. I'm David Simms. You messed up on Lapis, but I was proud of you. You just went through it. Lapis was not the best choice.

[00:01:52] No, no, no. What are you wearing? You're wearing blue right now. That's kind of Lapis. It's almost kind of a Lapis. So this is a very special episode we have here. The podcast, Ka-blin-shek. Yeah, I'm looking at Lapis right now and it does, it corresponds.

[00:02:08] We're kind of, there's a context and this is a podcast about birthstones. This is a podcast about filmographies, directors who have massive success early on in their career and are issued a series of blank checks to make whatever they want. Sometimes they'll check clear, sometimes they bounce.

[00:02:23] Baby, usually. Great, sure. But we're in between mini-series now. Now people think they know what happens in between mini-series. I've gotten texts, people being like, oh, what's Ben's choice this time? Oh, well producer Ben's gonna choose a movie, right? The Ben Deucer is gonna choose something.

[00:02:39] Producer Ben is gonna choose something. They're gonna have a producer Ben's choice. Yeah, I mean what am I gonna pick? The meat lover's gonna make a choice. The fart detective's gonna make a choice. The poet laureate's gonna make a choice. Dirt bike Benny's gonna make a choice.

[00:02:54] The tiebreaker's gonna make a choice. Birthday Benny is gonna make a choice. I'm gonna pick something. Whose choice is the poet laureate? It's the choice of the finest film critic. That's what you guys say about me. He's doing all the names, you know about this?

[00:03:08] He's got a lot of names. It's Peeper's choice. The Peeper's choice, baby. He's given Ben a lot of names over the years. Years we've been doing this podcast. And look, the man who gets those choices has graduated to a series of titles over the course of different mini-series.

[00:03:20] I guess he has. That's true. Producer Ben Kenobi's choice, Kylo Ben's choice, Ben Aitshamlan's choice, Ben Sate's choice, say Benny Thing's choice, Ailey Ben's with the dollar sign's choice, Warhaz's choice. And you know what? I'm gonna call the shot now. Oh, uh-oh. Produer Bain's choice. Yeah. Nice.

[00:03:42] Produer Bain. I like it. Yeah, Produer Bain. Feels right. Yeah, no, I'm into it. But we're throwing you off our scent this week. After all that Ben talk. After all that Ben talk, Ben, you don't got to take a seat.

[00:03:57] Ben choice, I don't get to take a seat this time. I'm sitting. We've teased this episode. Yeah, he is sitting. Came up in our mailbag episode and people demanded it. So we're instituting a new tradition. Sure. It's family night here on Blake Check with Griffin and David.

[00:04:12] Yep, he blew out the mic just a little bit. No, no, it's fine. He's fine. The first of what may be a trilogy of family episodes? Not consecutive? No, we'll do them. They're just in the... Each of us is gonna get to have a family night. Yeah.

[00:04:26] A bring your family member to podcast day. Yeah, yeah, who are you bringing? Well, I don't have any brothers or sisters. I think it's your dad. I feel like your dad's the one who looms over the podcast. Imagine Ben's dad on this podcast. I would love...

[00:04:39] Yeah, we'll make it happen eventually. We'd have to be some hard sci-fi movie. No, no, we pick something that he hates and he'll just get mad. We do Clifford again. Babe, you're poor dad alone. No, we do it to him. We got him.

[00:04:50] All right, okay, okay, introduce your sibling. Today, you might have heard her. You know her best from the introduction of this podcast. She is one of my best friends. She is not one of the two friends. But she is one of my best friends.

[00:05:02] I'm blowing up today on this mic. She is my sister. So we go way back, way back. Yeah, all the way back. All the way back. You remember her birth, I assume? I do. Yeah. I'll get to that in one second. Sure.

[00:05:17] And she also is a chef and a food blogger. I was about to say fluid. A fluid, a food blogger. Remember that game, Snood? Writer. Yeah, great game. Yeah. I still have it on my kid. Sorry, I'm waving to... Yeah. Romley Newman, ladies and gentlemen.

[00:05:35] My sister Romley Newman is here with the first ever Ram's Choice. Ram's Choice. And you want to tell us what we were talking about today? We are talking about the Devil Wars product. Now, I called this shot for you because in our mailbag episode,

[00:05:47] someone said you get invoked a lot in this podcast. Yep. They said if Romley was ever on the show, Romley Newman, formerly of The Endurance. You're gonna have to... Oh, of course, right. Interstellarist. It's called Bombing Interstellar. Oh, I know.

[00:06:01] With your name and we just talked about that movie. So people find that very funny. People are pausing the podcast to reattach their sides after they split. They have split? Yes. Right. They're buying some tiger balm for their ribs because they have been aggressively tickled. Some icy hot?

[00:06:20] Yeah. Yeah. And those slap knees. I said I thought you would pick Devil Wars product. And then people said I would listen to that episode. And then I asked you, is that a fair choice for you? And the thing is that it is...

[00:06:36] I have a list of movies that I think are really good movies that when people ask me what my favorite movie is, I pull from that list. You've constructed a list that you feel like it's very curated. It's very curated. I'm not saying it's just ingenuous. No.

[00:06:50] You have a list that's like this is the... My cinematic world that I want to convey to people. If you want to know what I think are good movies, you can look at this list. But if we're talking about my favorite movies...

[00:07:01] Which I think is a very different description. Very different. I agree. Devil Wars product. Ratatouille definitely makes it in there. It's honestly a lot of cartoon... Like animated movies. A lot of Pixar movies. Unsurprisingly, you might... You listeners might be surprised to hear

[00:07:20] that a sibling of mine who was nine years younger grew up watching a lot of Pixar movies. And the crazy... When Frozen came out, I became obsessed with it. Really obsessed. Unhealthily obsessed with it. You weren't watching Disney at all. And that's why.

[00:07:35] Because I was like, what the hell is this? This is the best thing I've ever seen. And people were like, you know it's not one of Disney's best movies. And I was like, are all of Disney's movies like this? You didn't watch any of the Disney princesses.

[00:07:43] You didn't give Romney the Disney experience? I was kind of deprived of a child. It was Pixar and Muppets. Yeah. No, I mean I know what you like. Yeah. So I have a silly little boy.

[00:07:52] I have a Miss Piggy Anarchim with the frog stuffed animal in my room. Sure. And I only have seen Pixar movies. That's not true, but that was your main... I've never seen The Lion King. That's surprising. I've never seen Little Mermaid. Sure.

[00:08:07] Yeah, you haven't seen a lot of them. When were you born, Romney? 1998. Right. So you are born after the Renaissance? The year of the lion. The year of the lion. The year of the lion was off the rose. Well, sure. I mean, but yeah.

[00:08:18] Came of age during the dead. Exactly, that's what I'm saying. I've never seen Mulan. Right, Mulan was like the last... I have never seen Mulan. Right, Mulan's 98, then Tarzan's 99. And that's the last big... Yeah. After that they enter a fallow pier.

[00:08:31] Oh, Lilo and Stitch was the one you grew up with, but that was beyond ball. Oh, I love Lilo. That's always been a weird one. You know, that it exists when it does is always funny. And it was also like, I think it was animated in France.

[00:08:42] It was like they didn't think they were going to give it a big release because it was the same year as... It is a weird movie. I was going to say, you guys are highly disrespecting the Emperor's new groove, which is one of my favorite.

[00:08:51] I don't know if you're... Oh, see that one's great. I love that movie. No. But this is the point from... Because Tarzan's the last like traditional big Disney movie. And then the ones that are good from that point on are Emperor's new groove and Lilo and Stitch.

[00:09:04] Why am I mispronouncing everything? Lilo... I flew back from Australia yesterday. I have not slept much. David's Twilight. I got a big smile. Those two movies were atypical Disney films. They were like breaking the mold. No, you're right. You're right.

[00:09:18] I was just like the idea that you had to curate. You were like, okay, Lilo and Stitch is weird enough. We can show it to Romney. That was also the new one. I took you to see the other ones. You didn't like any of the rest of them.

[00:09:28] What other ones? Around that time you saw... Like you took her to see Brother Bear? I don't know about Brother Bear. I definitely took you to see Treasure Planet, which you don't remember. No, I don't. You would have been very young for Treasure Planet.

[00:09:38] Some people like Treasure Planet. It's fine. Like people who are younger than me, they have more of a fondness. All right. Here's a movie you have no memory of having seen but I distinctly remember taking

[00:09:46] you to see it opening weekend, Home on the Range, which was the cow one with Roseanne Barr. No idea. That was the last traditionally animated one before they went to CGI. And then it's the CGI ones, Chicken Little, which sucks. Yeah, that's a bad one.

[00:09:57] I have seen Chicken Little. Yeah, I know. I've seen all of these movies with you. You don't remember? Meet the Robinson's. Meet the Robinson's, which is okay. Sure. Bolt, the dog. I saw that by myself. No, I saw that with you. I saw that by myself.

[00:10:08] You might have seen that. I saw that by myself. Okay. Leave it be. Because that was before you had Scruffy when you wanted a dog. Yeah, I was obsessed. Right. I wanted a dog.

[00:10:19] But Devil Wears Prada, just to speak to Blank Check is perfect for us because we're never going to do a David Frankl mini series. Exactly. This guy lucked into this movie and he is a garbage man. And he's been dining out on it for 15 years? He really has.

[00:10:32] The whole time I was watching the movie, I was wondering who he was. He's a guy. Okay. He's sure a guy. So he made one movie. He made a couple movies. His first movie before Devil Wears Prada. This was only a second film. I'm sorry.

[00:10:46] He makes one movie and does a lot of TV. Yeah, he made Miami Rhapsody versus his first movie. Ser Jessica Parker, Mia Farrow. Sort of classic pre-Sex in the City, Ser Jessica Parker joint where it was kind of like not a hit. You know what I mean?

[00:11:02] But people were like, she's out there. Right. So he makes this one movie and then the weird thing happens his career is he does a lot of TV. Yeah, he made a pilot called Dear Diary. And that's what I was going to say. Starring B.B. Neuer.

[00:11:15] And you know what happens to this pilot, right? Oh, it wins the Oscar. It was turned into a short film. They make a 22 minute pilot. It isn't picked up. They submit it to the Oscars as a short film and it wins, which is weird.

[00:11:27] So he won an Oscar? So he won an Oscar. Sure. Why don't people do that more? I don't know. The only other thing I can think of that's similar to that is Mulholland Drive, which was a pilot that he shot more for. Right.

[00:11:39] But that didn't win no short film Oscar. Absolutely not. He was the Oscar award winning director. He is an Academy Award winner. Right. So then he does a bunch of TV. He does a bunch of Band of Brothers from the Earth to the Moon.

[00:11:49] He does a bunch of Sex and City probably because he's rolling with SJP, still from his Mammy Rhapsody days. And then he gets this and this movie's Humongous. It is and it much bigger than Anna Wintour said that it was going to go straight to video.

[00:12:03] Everyone thought they wrote it off. He also did two entirages, which is probably how Grenier gets rolled into this one. Unfortunately. Oh boy, is it? Yeah, I'm trying. Yeah, a lot of TV. And then since then he's been dining out on this because he has one other hit.

[00:12:20] Marley and me. Marley and me, which does very well. Does do well but kind of like who remembers Marley? It was probably the first movie to ever make me cry. Excuse me, that's not true because you sobbed during Big Bash. That is true. This is these two guys.

[00:12:35] I've been hearing a lot of Griffin stories already off mic. But he has a good... Which is bad because we should have had them all on. I know, big problem. He had a couple huge flops. Big year. Big year was a mad...

[00:12:48] Which I think is actually kind of solid. The bird watching movie with Jack Black. Owen Wilson, Steve Martin, Jack Black. It's also got Rashida Jones and Jim Parsons and Brian Dennehy. I've never seen it. Diane Weist. It's this crazy stacked cast.

[00:13:00] Right, and then you've got Hope Springs, the Meryl Streep, Tommy Lee Jones, Steve Correll, Sex Therapy movie. That's a movie I didn't see. Which says a lot that you didn't see a Meryl comedy because you are all about Meryl comedy. Now, I've never seen Hope Springs.

[00:13:13] It also has its fans. Really? Because I was about to say that movie doesn't exist. Well, it kind of... People definitely don't remember that it exists, but you know, Bunheads, remember the show Bunheads? Yes.

[00:13:22] There's this running joke in the show Bunheads that one of the teen boys at school loves that movie and then in the... Either the finale or one of the last episodes, he does like a whole monologue of Tommy Lee Jones's from it that is amazing.

[00:13:33] Did you watch a lot of Bunheads? I watched every episode of Bunheads. He watched as much Bunheads as a person could watch. Exactly. I did everything. I ate everything they gave me. So, I've always thought like, man, I should...

[00:13:44] Is that just a gag or like is there something to Hope Springs? But I've never... I watched an interview with Steve Correll recently where he invoked work here with Meryl Streep and I was like, when did he work with Meryl?

[00:13:54] Like, I remember every movie ever made and I had to work to remember that Hope Springs existed. Also, when that movie was announced, I believe it was Mike Nichols was going to direct it.

[00:14:05] And it was still Streep but it was going to be Jeff Bridges, Hot Off the Oscar and Philip Seymour Hoffman playing the therapist. God, imagine Jeff... Marvel, like Marvel mouth Jeff Bridges. Right. Which is kind of, I mean, kissing cousins with cowboy grump Tommy Lee Jones. No, sure.

[00:14:21] I mean, whatever. But then that became a movie that just didn't go anywhere. A rare unnominated Meryl Streep year. Yes. Largely ignored. And then he makes one chance. Which? Let's not forget one chance. James Corden vehicle about an unattractive British opera singer who isn't Susan Boyle. Yeah, no.

[00:14:42] He was on a reality show. Oh, Pots, yes. He was an earlier British Susan Boyle type who it was like he gets out of stage and he's got bad teeth. He's really overweight and he looks weird and people are, ooh, and then he like sings beautifully.

[00:14:54] Everyone's like, ooh, you know, and then he was famous for a year and they made a movie about him. But the big thing that came out of that movie was that was a weird Weinstein movie. We've talked about the Weinstein Shuffle in the past, the Two of Fever.

[00:15:05] Where it wasn't released for like three or four years. Even after James Corden started doing the late show, the late late show, whatever the fuck it's called. They still hadn't released it. And then it finally got released on like six screens and David Frankel sued Harvey

[00:15:19] Weinstein because part of his contract was that he took a deferred salary. How do you know this? His quote, because this was a story. Okay. His quote, because he wanted to make the film. Sure. And he agreed to take a larger profit participation. Passive project.

[00:15:38] But part of that was that there were contractual agreements into how wide the release of the film had to be and Weinstein had broken those agreements. Dave Frankel's quote, which he had lowered. Do you know how much it was? I have a shudder to hear it.

[00:15:49] I believe it was $8 million. It's a lot of money. For a guy who was dining out on one movie. But this movie, The Devil Wears Prada was hit beyond hits. Was there one other flop yet? Well, and then last year he released Collateral Beauty. Well, right.

[00:16:04] That's his most recent effort, which was a flop, right? Yes. It was like a critical flop, but it was also a commercial flop. So he said two hit films, but he comes out of nowhere. We'll never cover him again on this podcast. No, no, we would never will.

[00:16:18] No. Sorry, David Frankel. His IMDB picture is him with Marley or a Marley type dog. Great. That's exactly what I pictured him to look like. Yeah. I mean, he looks like a nice man. Did he have one other film? What was the thing right after Devil Wears Prada?

[00:16:33] Was there something? Marley and me. Oh, okay. So we've covered all of it. We've done it all. We've done the old Frankel filmography. He did not direct Marley and me, The Puppy Years, the prequel to Marley and me. Well, I think Marley talks, right? It sounds great. Okay.

[00:16:47] Can't wait to watch that. Stars, Donnelly Rhodes. I don't know who that is. Now, you said like this is probably your favorite movie in terms of like, this was kind of your toy story. This is the one I watched obsessively.

[00:16:57] There is one movie you watched more than this. I would argue there's one movie you have seen more frequently, because how many times do you think you've seen Devil Wears Prada? Well, it was interesting as I was watching last night.

[00:17:07] I have a thing where I have a hard time watching movies more than once. Sure. Right. Because I was like an avid rewatcher. You were not. You don't have movies you like watch over and over again. No. I get no thrill out of it because for me,

[00:17:19] it's all about the first experience and you're excited. Sure. And most of your favorite movies you've seen two times, three times max. I know. And that's the thing. And I have a friend who was always quoting movies. Yeah.

[00:17:28] And so she was like, oh, and she listed some movie that's one of my favorite movies. And I just had no recollection of anything that happened in it. I just remembered the feeling of loving it. Uh-huh. But I really... It's very experiential. Yes, it's very.

[00:17:41] But I don't rewatch movies. This movie, I could probably watch 800 times, enjoy it every time. It's the exception to the world. It's the exception to the world. And you probably watched it like 15 times within the couple of years after it came out. Do you own that DVD?

[00:17:56] Sure, sure. Yes, I have a DVD of it. I think Griffin bought it for me. I did for Christmas. You're welcome. I'm trying to think of what the movie... There's one movie you've seen more than this.

[00:18:06] And I know because I have seen it is probably number five on the list of movies I have seen most because of how obsessively you watched it. It came out three years before Devil Wears Prada.

[00:18:16] It was kind of eclipsed by Devil Wears Prada, but this was unquestionably your favorite movie until Devil Wears Prada came out, until you were eight years old. Daddy Daycare. Oh. You watched... He's talked about this movie a lot on the podcast.

[00:18:30] No one has ever watched a movie more than you watched Devil Daddy Daycare, which is especially astonishing because you don't rewatch movies. Right. And you as a kid were not like most kids have their like movies they watch over and over again.

[00:18:42] I would watch things once and love it. Never want to see it again. You watched Daddy Daycare 800 times. Yeah, that really was my favorite movie. I forgot. And you knew every line of it at a certain point. Well, probably when this came out honestly.

[00:18:55] It became like, okay, I'll only watch Daddy Daycare twice a year after Devil Wears Prada. Right. Because you would have been pretty young when this movie came out. I was. You were eight or nine years old, sure.

[00:19:05] But I was eight going on 40 at the time and like Miranda Priestley was what I wanted to be in life. Romley's like goal in life is essentially to be, I don't want to speak for you here.

[00:19:16] But the joke we always make in our family is like your like most idealistic like dream life through a movie character, the way like little boys like Dream of Being Indiana Jones. Rom always want to be Meryl Streep and it's complicated. Right.

[00:19:32] Like I think Rom's fancy situation is like in between marriages, remodeling the kitchen. I cannot wait to be 50. Well, you described yourself to me as when you were a little kid as a 50 year old. Right. She really was.

[00:19:46] But from like sometimes I get stressed and I'm like, am I doing enough so that when I'm 50, like I'll have this perfect life. And my biggest fear in life is... You're 19 years old now, let's say that.

[00:19:56] My biggest fear in life is to get to 50 and be really disappointed because and most women dread turning 50. You're angry at 50. I mean, I think 50 on I'm going to just kill it. You're going to kill it. Because now it's like, okay.

[00:20:07] So you're just kind of like looking at the watch right now. You're really just waiting and everyone's like your teenage years, your early 20s, like those are the times you'll never get them back. I'm like, I would gladly get them up to be making croissants in my kitchen

[00:20:21] and dancing. Well, I'm kind of acted like a teenager when she was like four. Sure. So by the time she was like... So remember she's eight, right? Right. She's basically a middle-aged one. Right. And this movie was a big activator because this starts the sort of

[00:20:34] girl comedy genre, which becomes like your big genre because it's all these roles that are how you want to... But also this movie, I'd argue, was very helpful to me because I watched it and I decided that I wanted to be one a boss, a literal boss,

[00:20:51] not just a boss in my life. And not a girl boss because she fucked up. No, because girl boss, not a feminist piece of shit. Number two is that I wanted to be... Well, I guess this goes with number one, but I just wanted to be in charge

[00:21:06] and do things for myself. And I greatly sympathized with Miranda Prasley as you do. One of the movie's successes in my opinion. And so it was a big motivator. So I think... Sure. Sure. I love that most people, the lesson of this movie is like,

[00:21:20] you got to find a balance between work and life. No, for this it was like, you know what, Romley? Just be cutthroat, screw people over, get what you want. And throw a bunch of designer codes on your assistant's desk. She throws them so well.

[00:21:33] I know, it's just amazing. But this is the thing, this is a not romantic comedy. At all. With the sort of dressing of one and so people misinterpret it as a not romantic comedy. That's another reason why I really like it is...

[00:21:45] I love romantic comedies, but I'm always like, the guy sucks, let's just move on, let's show the girl being badass. Sure. This is like, there's no excess. You like the trappings are romantic comedy. Like you like the aesthetics, you like, dare I say, the patina of romantic comedies.

[00:22:01] You may say that. You can say it. But the romance stuff you're not is into. No. This movie is like all the stuff you like in romantic comedies minus the stuff where they talk to some lumpy guy. Well, I would say this movie's biggest failings

[00:22:16] are the scenes where they have lumpy guys. The lumpy guys are the most superfluous part of this movie. Yeah, and that's what I was thinking last night, is that they bring it down a little bit. They do. They just kind of the perfect amount.

[00:22:27] Like it's A, it kind of works in the movie's favor that the guys are lumpy. They're super lumpy. They need to be lumpy. Right? They need to be lumpy and B, there's not too much of them. No, there's not. I could have done with almost none of them,

[00:22:39] but yes, yes, I agree. They're... There's a dust. I think the guys make it a little bit more human and a little bit more realistic because if not, you're just kind of stuck in this runway world. You need a little bit of the outside

[00:22:54] because there's no like, you need the friends. You need just a little bit to bring it down. Rich Sumner is very goodness. Harry Crane. Oh, I know who you're talking about. He's... You still haven't watched Mad Men. He's amazing on Mad Men and he plays the friend,

[00:23:08] her inner friend group who like is impressed with fashion. Oh, I love him. Which is so insane in this movie. Can you imagine a man knowing about fashion? I'm thinking about that. Ben is trying to go into fashion. Ben is trying to go into fashion. I'm into it.

[00:23:20] But you want to move into it as like a full career thing. I know you're into it as a lifestyle. But every time he says something, everyone's like, oh, how do you know that? And I don't. Yeah. It's a little much. She would not have...

[00:23:31] She means to say. Ben is very frustrated. There's a few things. I just hate that. I don't know. It's like this movie was like so made for mainstream audiences obviously. So it's like sort of trying to get people... You wouldn't do that even now.

[00:23:44] But still like fuck that shit. That they make a joke out of the straight guy. Like why do you know all this? But that wouldn't even happen. No, that would not happen. It's actually funny how quickly things like that change.

[00:23:54] Like that joke would just kind of be flat. Like where he's like, well, I'm kind of a girl. And it's like, you know, like you've heard of Vogue. I mean, runway is Vogue. But she would know who Anna Wintour is. That's one of my only problems.

[00:24:06] She's like, who's Miranda Presley? You know who... If you've been to journalism school, you would have heard of her. That line is also stupid because there's just no way someone like that would go into a job interview having no idea who the boss was.

[00:24:18] Google still existed at that point. She would look it up. She could Google Dimarsie. She can Google Miranda Presley. So we've gotten all our criticisms, the movie out of the way. The rest of this movie is great. But I mean, it's a great movie.

[00:24:28] I've seen it a bunch of times. Like almost just by accident. It's just such an easy movie to watch. I probably seen it like... Probably six or seven times. Did you see it in theaters, Romali? Well, I was going to ask... I saw it in theaters with you,

[00:24:43] which was either your second or third time. I don't remember seeing it for the first time. Okay. Sure. So I was wondering if you were there. It's like a dream. You just sort of... But now it's just part of my life. I remember you took me to it

[00:24:55] and it was a big deal that you wanted to go see something in theaters again. Okay. Sure. Because that was the summer where I went away to Paris for like a month, which I'm probably about to do again. I probably saw it... To hide away from the world.

[00:25:06] Yeah. I probably saw it with our mom. I believe so. You saw it with Dofant. And then... Because that's the kind of movie she'd be like, Rom, do you want to see this movie? And I'd be like, yes please. Right. It's about fashion. It's about fashion.

[00:25:17] You were into Hathaway. I probably walked into it a little bit unknowingly. Saw it and was like, oh my god, this changed my life. Griff, you need to see this movie. And I remember seeing it with you a second or third time.

[00:25:26] It had already been out for like a month or two at that point. So I knew it was a big hit. And I was like, I'm sure it's gonna be like fine. And I sat there and watched you watching it.

[00:25:32] And it was like those stories that kids tell about like seeing Star Wars for the first time. Sure. Like it was your second or third time in the theater and you were like leaning forward all the way with your eyes wide open as if it was like

[00:25:42] special effects that were stunning you. Like the whole world of this movie was like totally entrancing to you. And then you got on DVD and you watched it incessantly. Incessantly, incessantly. And yeah, and then this, Meryl kind of became your like onscreen avatar in a lot of ways.

[00:26:00] And it became such a thing in my life that Griffin would sometimes have to say like you're doing the Miranda Priestly face. Oh, I forgot about her. She used to do it all the time. Yeah. All the time. So it wasn't just this is my idol.

[00:26:14] I mean, I tried very hard to emulate her everyday life. And I also remember once Griff and I were going somewhere and I was wearing a ridiculous outfit and he said, you know, it's funny. My friends were asking me how you dress

[00:26:27] and I said you dress like you're an assistant at Vogue. And I was like, huh, it's so funny. But inside I was like, yes. That's what I'm going for. Goal achieved. I was just trying to remember you never wore Miranda Priestly for Halloween. Were you? Oh, she was.

[00:26:44] Okay. I can. Romley has a little post the picture in her social media. Romley from like three to 10 had the best round of Halloween costumes that anyone has ever had, which included Miranda Priestly, Addy Prey from Paper Moon, Sure. Clementine from Eternal Sunshine,

[00:27:02] which in theory was one of the best but didn't really work out. People didn't get people. It's hard to track that one. It's just hair and an orange jacket. Or in third grade, people didn't get what she, she carried on potatoes. But also my hair is brown.

[00:27:15] And so the blue didn't really show up. In the movie it's like the whole point is the dies kind of coming out. True, true, true. You had the dyed hair and the hoodie and you carried the potatoes. It was really good. What were the other ones?

[00:27:27] Audrey from Little Shop of Horrors. That one was creepy. Sure. That was good. Audrey's scary. You did, the one you did that wasn't directly a movie costume was inspired by a movie was the girl who just got dumped. And the other story of that,

[00:27:41] I wanted to be Elle Woods. Thank you. I said it was not directly inspired. Right, yes. And for some reason it just didn't come together. And I don't know how this came about but I had all these random little trinkets of Elle Woods.

[00:27:56] I had like the heart necklace. That was your favorite scene in the movie was after she gets dumped when she's walking home. I forgot. You thought that look was really funny. Right. So then I was like, I think that's honestly the best Halloween costume I've done.

[00:28:06] I think so too. I was obsessed with having fake cigarettes every Halloween. So I would go lightly as well. Right. And you were Coco Chanel once. Right. And that was kind of the last good year. I think I was like 11. Right.

[00:28:18] And then you start doing like group costumes with your friends. No, I was Cindy Lauper, which is always forgotten. Oh, yes. That was forgotten. Yeah. But but I mean a really, a really strong portfolio there. Yeah. And then did you just stop for?

[00:28:31] Well, then it was like cool to be things that weren't real things. I was perhaps my worst Halloween costume in history was freshman year of high school. My friend and I were ying and yang. Yeah, fuck that. Yeah. And so we just wore black and white. Sure.

[00:28:47] I'm not proud of it. I'm sorry. There is a worse costume you had because it's the one that proves that you're a giant hypocrite. Oh, yes. This is, yes. 2012, 2013, whatever it was, Rom texts me and says, I just saw Spring Breakers. Oh my God.

[00:29:01] It's literally the worst movie of all time. Great movie. Right. A masterpiece, an American masterpiece. Don't see it. Don't see it. It's so dumb. I want to see the next day. I said, it's a masterpiece and explain. I mean, essentially wrote an essay to you

[00:29:14] explaining to you why I mansplained. Yeah, great. Spring Breakers. Everyone sounds great in this story. Right. We were it was quite literally 10 paragraphs. It was a low point, right? But then that year for Halloween, she was fucking a spring breaker. I have nothing. I have nothing to say.

[00:29:32] I mean, I have no. Did you wear a pink? I have no objection. Sadly, yes. Is there a mesh? Yes. I feel like they have a lot of mesh. Well, but the thing is, the problem, the real problem with this

[00:29:43] is that it wasn't because we like the movie or because we thought it would be funny. It was just like, what's a fun costume that girls can do? It had nothing to do with Harmony Corrine's random choices or... Excuse me. Every choice in that movie is very deliberate.

[00:29:58] How weird James... You know, it was just a shitty... Masterful, masterful performance from dance. Shitty costume and an excuse to wear bathing suit. And I'm not proud, but... Desicrating a masterpiece, a modern American masterpiece. We've all done things we regret. But yes, they did have a speed mask.

[00:30:11] What's your worst selling costume? Well, sure. I had a lot of bad ones. Yeah, you did. I also went through a period where I dressed up as visually uninteresting characters from popular movies. Great. So I was John Connor from Terminator 2. You could get him...

[00:30:27] If you had the public enemy shirt. I did. Yeah, well, that's fair. And I had the jacket and the jeans, and I didn't dress up for Halloween then. Yeah, right. Because that's not too hard. It looks kind of like you. I was Bender from the Breakfast Club.

[00:30:39] I was Kanye West one year, which I was very proud of. Oh, boy. Griffin's got a rice smile on his face. It was the Gold Digger era when he had a very distinctive style. And so I wore a yellow blazer and pink slacks and loafers. Sure.

[00:30:57] And I had buzzed hair at the time. And I had the Kanye glasses. And I didn't do anything offensive. No, I mean, sure. Yeah. I was Foxically a Patra one year. Oh, Ron was Foxically a Patra. And that was Borderline Offensive. We've all made mistakes.

[00:31:13] That was Borderline Offensive. We all... But I mean, you bear no responsibility. I know because I was in preschool. Right. Yeah, you were four, I believe. I was four and I wore a bikini top gold shimmery pants. Bronzer. And a lot of bronzer and an afro.

[00:31:30] To my preschool Halloween party. I went to the preschool Halloween party with the family and I stood next to my mother as a parent came up to her and said, is Romley dressed as a 70s hooker? That was the honest guess at what... It was my favorite costume.

[00:31:50] I've never felt happier on a Halloween. And you recited the lines too. You had like a squirt gun. You went around going, I'm Foxically a Patra, I'm a whole lot of woman. That's what she says. She's the best of the Austin Powers female leads in my opinion.

[00:32:05] No question. She's great in that movie. I mean it is... It's actually a bit of a low bar because yeah both... I mean you're up against Liz Hurley and Heather Graham. Liz Hurley's solid in that. Heather Graham's bad. Heather Graham's pretty terrible. But she's a pretty terrible actress.

[00:32:17] No offense to Heather Graham. So, Devil Wears Prada. Yes. So I take you to see it. It's like Star Wars and then you watch it a thousand times. Well, wait. Hold on. Let's hear some bad costumes from you, David. Oh yeah. I'm not a Halloween guy.

[00:32:32] I couldn't even tell you. Yeah, it's a child. Like I was a power ranger one year. I was like Spider-Man. I made a shell, a paper mache shell and I was Donatello. Sure. The best of the turtles. Yeah. Oh, by far. Yeah. He's smart.

[00:32:48] Did you have a bow staff? I had a bow and then I got it taken away because I kept hitting kids with it. Sure. Sounds like Ben. So they took that away from me. Then later in life because eventually you kind of stopped dressing up. That's the thing.

[00:33:01] I stopped pretty much as soon as I could. Yeah. But then I would be invited to parties and like would try to do something. So I had one where I just carry crutches around. I was selling them, but I told people

[00:33:14] not to ask me where I got them from. That's how we heard. Yeah. It was basically I stole. I had like a whole story behind the costume. I liked the more questions that someone had to ask the better the costume was in my mind.

[00:33:26] Your costume was guy who stole crutches? From someone. Yeah. And just selling them on the street. Solid gold. Solid gold. Wait a second. So your costume was you just wore what you would wear on any given day. A very fashionable ensemble. Sure. Right?

[00:33:43] But then carried around crutches with you and then when people asked you. What I was wearing. You assumed the role of the character. Yeah. Which was a guy who has stolen these crutches but doesn't want to talk about it. Right. Okay. Anything else? Yeah.

[00:33:58] One time I shaved my beard to a mustache and I was giving out free candy, but you had to be young. Is this a joke? Oh Jesus. He's so ridiculous. God. He's so ridiculous. That's problematic. Yes. Yes. That is hashtag problematic. Why? What's up? I don't care.

[00:34:22] I don't follow you. Were you at a party with a lot of children? No. So you just walked around and you're like, you're not a kid. You're not young enough for this candy. No, sorry. Yeah. I can't give you candy.

[00:34:34] Well that was exactly what I expected from Ben Hosley. I want to note that the novel, The Devil Wears Prada. You never read the novel, right? By Lauren Weiss-Kover. No I have not. Who was a personal assistant to Anna Wintour for less than a year and quit

[00:34:49] and said that she had a tough time with it. And cash out hard. And cashed out. Let's be honest. Yeah. And everyone at Vogue has always been like, she seemed like, I don't know what she was so upset about. You know, they've always been very chill about,

[00:35:03] I don't know. But she wrote this book. The Devil Wears Prada, big hit. When they announced the movie, it was like, this is going to be, no, no, if it was going to be like a big blockbuster, but it was like, that's a big book. Sure.

[00:35:16] There was anticipation for them. Except S-Seller. Right. And then three years, just three years later comes the movie. It was Fast Track. And Hathaway being in it seemed like, okay, right, that seems to be the kind of career that she's making. It seemed like an obvious choice.

[00:35:32] Streep being in it was like a big kind of like, wait a second. Well, let me give you both of their sort of, you know, like yeah, because Hathaway- Princess Diary is obviously the thing. She'd act a little bit as a teenager

[00:35:44] and then Princess Diary, she's above the title. It's a big, big hit. Right. And then she makes Ellen Chanted and Princess Diary's two in 2004. And these movies were why I was already excited. You were hyped. Those were big movies for me.

[00:35:55] But after the 2004 double hit of Ellen Chanted and Princess Diary's two in which they go mattress surfing, if you may. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I know. They go mattress surfing. Yeah. She's like, I don't want to make kid movies anymore. I'm done with Disney. She makes Havoc,

[00:36:09] which is a terrible Stephen Gagan movie. And then she makes Brokeback. And then she makes Brokeback in 2005. So she's coming off of Brokeback. Great movie. Which has a small role in it. She's the only one who doesn't get nominated for Brokeback. Yes, that's correct. Of the four leads.

[00:36:23] Of the four leads. So she was kind of like... She had no shot at getting nominated to be called. No, although I think she's very good in it. She's totally good. It's just the smallest role. Yes. She's Jake Gyllenhaal's wife in that movie. And then there's this.

[00:36:35] She locked the gates recently. Oh, with Buddy Mark? I guess not too recently. Yeah, our Buddy Mark. Yeah. She locked the gates on WTF, the podcast. And I guess it was a couple months ago, for when Colossal came out. It's not whatever. But she talked about...

[00:36:52] There was such a big... Hey, we're introducing you the next star. Like when Princess Diaries came out. Sure. They put her above the title and the trailer did the like... And introducing Anne Hathaway. Yeah. And they've been in... What's that TV show? Get Real. With Jesse Eisenberg. Yeah.

[00:37:11] And the muscle behind her. And the way they did a couple of times, they did with Lohan too, where they were like, Hey, here's our next movie star. We're letting you know that she's a leading lady. That's the crown being put on her. Right.

[00:37:21] And then the movie was such a like big crossover success that it felt like she's here. And then she talked out on the podcast how she felt stuck for like five years only doing kids movies and not working as much as she thought she would.

[00:37:32] I struggle to get this. And this was like the first big adult role that she really fought for in a studio movie. She had done like studio indie dramas. You're right. And she said that she was the first choice for it. Sure. She's well cast.

[00:37:46] Then they got Streep. Sure. And when they got Streep, they were like, Oh, maybe this is a Tony or movie. And then they took it away from Hathaway. Oh, I didn't know that. And they went to a bigger bunch of actresses. A bunch of bigger actresses.

[00:37:58] A bigger bunch of bigger actresses. Cannot speak today. Mm. And they all turned it down. And she like got it back. And this like made her... McAdams was who they wanted. I mean, she's a film Academy. It was coming off of the notebooks.

[00:38:11] I don't think she would have been good in this one either. No, I think Anne Hathaway is well cast in this movie. I think this is the movie that cements her like movie star persona. And the thing is I watched this movie, became obsessed,

[00:38:24] further obsessed with Hathaway because Princess Diary was a big for me. But and then, you know, Les Mis happened and I had a bad taste in my mouth from Hathaway. Sure. But rewatching this movie makes me want to rediscover my love for Hathaway.

[00:38:40] We've been raving about Hathaway because on the Nolan podcast we love her in... She was in two Nolan movies, we talked about her a lot recently. In Dark Knight Rises, we love her in Ninja Steller. I've been in a real Hathaway headspace. She's a really fucking good actress.

[00:38:51] There's some... I would argue her facial expression in this movie really kill it. There's some moments where she just reacts with her face and it's just spot on. It's a really precise performance. And the thing that people will use to criticize Hathaway

[00:39:05] if they want to is she's too controlled, she's too studied. Theater kid. There's a theater kid thing about her. But this doesn't feel theater kid to me at all. It's just so spot on. Like every moment she makes, even if you can see the gears behind it,

[00:39:16] it's so artful and she's not going for the most obvious choice at every moment. I agree. She's also not doing the sort of like klutzy thing. No. She's not doing a lot of the obvious pitfalls of the... She's got a lot of integrity in this movie.

[00:39:29] You know, sort of Swan Princess character she's supposed to be playing. Right. Like that you could do more obviously. Right. There is just kind of a stunning like a ballerina level of just like, look at her fucking technique in this movie. You know?

[00:39:42] Just like how in control she is at all times. And the other thing is that I just like kept on thinking about watching this movie because the Nolan movies are different obviously. It's a whole different look and they try to scrub her down.

[00:39:51] She's in more of like a realistic setting even though it's a Batman movie and sci-fi movie. But watching this, she has such an interesting face. I thought about that the whole time. I just remembered this review of Liza Minnelli and Cabaret or something

[00:40:06] where they said that like her face looks like it's going in eight different directions. And the same thing applies to Hathaway where like every element of her face is at such an odd angle and angles that don't feel like they're complimenting each other. This sounds like a criticism.

[00:40:21] It does, but they're gone, gone. But it gives her this quality like old movie stars where it's like she has this very distinctive face that doesn't look like anyone else. And I find her very attractive, but it is this very weird like

[00:40:32] her eyes kind of slope downwards and she has these very arched eyebrows and her nose points outwards and she has this pouty mouth. The scene where she goes to the party at the Natural History Museum and she's wearing that outfit and her hair is up.

[00:40:43] She looks very old movie star. Very old movie star, but she's got this very expressive face and she doesn't look like anyone else who's ever existed. That's true. That's a lot of Hathaway talk. A lot of Hathaway talk. I want to give you a brief Streep summary. Sure.

[00:40:57] Can we just do a little? Because I have a take on Streep. Because that was the big thing. Streep being in this movie felt like a game changer. Because when you look at 90s Streep as I'm doing now, it's a lot of her making these like prestigious movies

[00:41:09] that are kind of bad. And she gets nominations for all of them, but none of them have really stood the test of time. I mean, I love The River Wild. That doesn't count. But like Bridges in Madison County, Marvins Room,

[00:41:18] Dancing at Lufthnazad, One True, Three Music of the Heart. It's all these kind of like weepy... Yeah. Bridges is very good. And Clint's a good director. The rest of them are kind of mid-life. But she gets the autopilot nominations. And then in 2002, she's in adaptation.

[00:41:36] And that's sort of like a little... Where people are like, oh, I haven't seen her be funny like this in a long time. And it was one of her more unaffected performances. She's so good in that. Which I don't say she's better at doing affected

[00:41:50] than almost anyone alive, if not everyone else alive. Right. More natural performance. She's not doing an accent. She's not doing some like true story thing. You're just going to see that. Well, actually she is. But Susan Orlean. And then she's in The Hours. And then she's...

[00:42:03] Yeah, she's doing these weird... Like she's an Indimentary candidate, which she's all wrong in. But she's like trying these weird things. She's in a series of Unfortunate Invents. Which she's very good. She's funny in that. She's in Prime. She's in a Prairie Home Companion.

[00:42:15] I feel like she's like trying shit out. Right. And then this is like the beginning of her new like 50-something Meryl Streep Superstar run. She becomes an A-list movie star. Like a bankable leading woman. Yes. Which she had never really been before weirdly.

[00:42:31] She'd always been more of the prestigious actress. Right, but she'd never had like huge hits that she was top lining. And the movies she was in that did well were like Anomalies, like River's Wild. River's Wild. River's Wild. Sorry. But comedy had also... Thank you.

[00:42:46] Had remained like her white whale because there was... Anytime she tried comedy people were like, well I guess we found the one thing Meryl's not good at. Which I think you look back at those comedies and she's really good in all of them.

[00:42:57] She Devil was a big flop. Devil becomes her... Death becomes her... God my brain. Death becomes her did okay. Death becomes her did okay but people slammed her performance at the time. Like that's the weird thing it was successful but people went like,

[00:43:09] yeah but Meryl's trying too hard. No, but that was always people wanted to find the gap in the armor. Which I think she's so good in Death becomes her. Sure. And then Post-Curtis on the Edge she got nominated for but wasn't a huge hit. Very good in that.

[00:43:22] But so comedy had been this thing that people were like, it's a little outside of her real house. Sure. But she's good casting obviously, playing Anna Wintour, you know? Right. And she doesn't play it as a comedic archetype. She plays it as a real person

[00:43:34] which I think surprised everyone. Oh boy. And I think that was... She's real good in this movie. That's the magic of this movie. It was the same kind of like Heath Ledger Joker thing where it was like, here's this really weird performance going on

[00:43:45] in a movie where you don't expect this type of performance to come in. Yeah. And I know it sounds weird to conflate those two performances but I think it was the same kind of thing where it's like, what's that doing in this? Yeah. Yes. Meryl Streepman.

[00:43:58] She should have won the Oscar. Who did she lose to? Miren? Miren, yeah, that... She was gonna lose to Miren. That's the thing, she would have won the Oscar otherwise. It really is an incredible performance. It's an incredible performance and it's annoying that she wins

[00:44:09] for the Iron Lady a few years later where they're obviously trying to recognize like we love this new phase of Meryl because this starts the run where like it had been like Meryl's won twice, she's never gonna win again. And then it starts being like,

[00:44:19] oh these nombs aren't perfunctory, she's maybe... She's doing a whole like run of stuff. Right and it felt like four years maybe where she's runner up to whoever actually wins that year. Yeah. Doubt she's a ham sandwich but I think a fine ham sandwich.

[00:44:32] I got to hate her in that room. I really think it's one of the worst performances as is the Iron Lady. She's okay in the Iron Lady, it's just a terrible movie. I think she won an Iron Lady for the dementia stuff. I'm not interested.

[00:44:43] How do you feel about Mamma Mia Romani? I love Mamma Mia. Meryl Streep's number one box office hit. Yeah. I love Marilyn Mamma Mia too. Sure, she's a blast. But that's another thing. She's a carefree Meryl Mamma Mia. It is true. She is not carefree. And the...

[00:45:01] Oh God, there's so many good Mamma Mia. I mean it's an awful movie but... It's like the worst movie I ever liked. That's how I think about Mamma Mia. It's the worst movie I've ever loved. Running an island where people come to make...

[00:45:11] I just want to be all different Meryls. I mean obviously I want to be Julia Child Meryl. Yeah, great Meryl. Oh right, which is the other one that you should have won. Two cheese, two cheese running wild in that one too.

[00:45:21] Honestly, that movie should be my favorite Meryl movie. Of course it's about cooking. I've seen that movie once. Well, the Amy Adams stuff is bad. There's actually a cut on Vimeo that removes all of the Amy Adams stuff. But let's say this, Amy Adams in that movie

[00:45:33] is what inspired you to become a food blogger. That is true too. Which is now like mostly... I mean that's... You're about to start working at a food magazine. Somewhere in between Amy Adams and Julie Julia and Anne Hathaway in Devil Wars Prada. Right. That movie also...

[00:45:48] How old was I when it... Julie and Julie, it's 08 maybe? That's like right when I started a food blog. No that was later. That was 09. I think you were 11? I started a food blog at 11. Yeah, right. It was after that movie.

[00:46:01] Romney is much more accomplished than I though. Romney's fairer. Yeah, Romney's fairer. You're right, 09. But honestly, I will say these movies, these Meryl Streep vehicles have been very influential in my early career choices. Whether it's the Meryl character or not, the genre of film she's in...

[00:46:16] Right, we've got three. It's complicated, Devil Wars Prada, Julie and Julia. Mamma Mia! These are three and Mamma Mia four. Mamma Mia, I would love to own an island. I mean I'd like to own an island too. No, no, no. Pierce Brosnan sings SOS to me.

[00:46:27] I would love to have a bed and breakfast where I cook seasonal food and make people's food. But I think that's always been... You make 16th-inni pancakes for people. Like the way a lot of little girls have the complex of the fantasy about the prince rolling up

[00:46:39] and whisking you away. Sure, sure. You've always aligned more with the Meryl. It's complicated Mamma Mia thing where it's like three guys were competing for you and at the end you're kind of like, I'm kind of good on my own. That's the thing, it's never...

[00:46:51] The movies that have inspired me have never been about, oh, these people will come into your life. It's always about you can be this. You can be this one great woman and you don't need anyone else. But you want the attention.

[00:47:02] You want the guys who are striving for it. Right, that's the thing. The Meryl comedies don't... But at the end I want to be like, hey, I have everything I need. There are these guys who are less naff and you're like,

[00:47:10] okay, let me humor you for a little bit. Let me just put on my cashmere bathrobe and make some lavender pancakes and I'm good. Oh, I'd love a lavender pancake. They're actually so awful. I just remember everyone's criticism of it's complicated at the time was like,

[00:47:23] jeez, this is the least relatable character conflict I've ever seen. She can't figure out how to redesign her kitchen. Of course, yes. It also came out right during the recession and it was ill-timed. Not timing. Yes, yes. But like, Ron watched that and it was like...

[00:47:37] It was like spotlight for her. It was like this needs to get done. Like this is important. Right, and also a lot of people probably watch that and want to be Lake Bell. Sure. No. No, you don't want to be Lake Bell. That character, yeah.

[00:47:50] I'd be Lake Bell just in life. She seems like she has a good career gone. Okay, so let's start talking about this movie. No, it's fine. We're doing good. I don't have a train to catch today. I just feel great.

[00:48:00] Like after the stress of we had to record a podcast about my favorite movie before I had to catch a train, everything else is just gravy. This is easy. How you doing? Easy straight. I'm really tired. He's tired. We're going to do three podcasts this week. Yeah.

[00:48:14] What was the thing I was going to say? This movie had, I think, we talked in our similar episode about trailers I love, right? Trailers that I'm very mostly attached to. Okay, I don't remember the trailer for this movie at all.

[00:48:23] This movie had one of the smartest trailers I've ever seen and it started a trend that I think somewhat revolutionizing this great. It is used selectively, but every time it's been used well, it makes the movie blow up and become a bigger hit.

[00:48:35] The trailer for this movie was not a montage of scenes. Sure. The trailer for this movie. I have seen this trailer. Was Hathaway showing up waiting for the interview and the buildup of Priestly coming out of the elevator. Yeah, the Gurdier Loinings. Oh, that was great.

[00:48:47] Yeah, no, yes. I do remember this trailer and I remember being released and being like, huh, this seems like clever than I thought this movie was going to be. I will say this movie does an incredible job at sequences. It's a very montagey movie, which you love montage.

[00:48:59] It hits us with two clanging montages within 35 minutes. I checked the time code and yelled about it to Diana. Also the music. Oh, the music. They're a real time and place needle drop. Suddenly I see. Yeah. Which was your favorite song after this movie? Of course.

[00:49:14] It's stuck in my head right now. But I mean obviously just because it satisfied my fashion cravings when she comes out on all the amazing outfits. I remember turning to my mom and being like, that's such a good outfit.

[00:49:26] And then the next one come out like, oh my God, it was just really exciting for me whether or not it's great filmmaking. But the beginning sequence. The beginning sequence where all the fashionable women are getting dressed and she gets the onion bagel.

[00:49:41] A great beginning starts like any day. Wake up in your morning routine. That's a great place to start a movie. He's not wrong. Right? I hit the alarm clock. I want to say this movie has three items of food. Showered. Throw on some clothes.

[00:49:54] Maybe I have a cup of coffee. That's how you start a movie, baby. You're right. Because we all know that's how the day starts and that's how the movie starts. Yeah, he's right. He's totally right. But yeah, this movie has three items of food

[00:50:05] that I love that are important to the plot. The onion bagel. The Smith and the Boylansky steak that is thrown in the sink, which is like the greatest tragedy. And the sprinkling of parsley. I mean, I would just call it a food movie right there.

[00:50:20] It's a movie about food. And the grilled cheese sandwich. No, the girl's burger. The grilled cheese sandwich with $8 of girls burger in it. Fucking Adrian Grinney is constantly surprised that Dean and Duluc is expensive in this movie. He keeps saying like God, the eight dollars are these strawberries.

[00:50:37] I'm sorry. No chef would ever shop. Like no chef like that would shop at Dean and Duluc. Is he a chef or is he a pizza man? He is a chef. I do think it's a questionable choice that they have him working at Bubbies because

[00:50:47] He is working at Bubbies, right? He used to go. Bubbies, but he's like so self serious and he's a chef. Bubbies is kind of a fun place. Like it's good food with the whole idea. A lot of it's like drunk food,

[00:50:57] which I guess is in line with his grilled cheese making at night. I mean everything he makes her is always at night when she's stressed out. She usually refuses it. But he's way too serious about his career to like he acts as if he's a top right.

[00:51:14] This movie would have worked better if he was low level chef. Like a line chef. Much better restaurant. If he was a line cook at like a big sort of I just thought it was an interesting choice. Yeah, I mean he's a scrub in this movie.

[00:51:28] He's one of the worst written boyfriend characters. It's so crazy. Really sucks. I don't think it's Grini's fault, but he's not helping. Okay. So here's what I when I was younger and I watched this, I actually liked his character. Sure.

[00:51:42] Probably because I was cooking a lot of that. Re-watching it now, I couldn't decide if I found him insufferable or if the character is bad. I think the character is really bad, but he's a pretty insufferable actor. No offense, Adrienne. Even his face makes me mad.

[00:51:57] Yeah, he's got those lips. I mean talk about this is such a movie of facial expressions. His facial expressions are just infuriated. He purses his lips a lot. Yeah, I know, but it doesn't work. No, no, no it doesn't work. It does not work.

[00:52:12] I remember when I was first saw this movie I was like, Jesus, she's got the chef boyfriend who's totally cute and makes her the girl she's sandwiched. That's such a classic. Why won't she just chill out with him? Of course she's the chef boyfriend.

[00:52:22] And then now I watch it, I'm like this guy is an asshole about her having a job. Like the more you think about it. He's mad when she starts to do well. He's mad when she's doing well. It's your job. He doesn't care when she's being emotionally abused

[00:52:37] in the beginning and is wearing ugly shoes, but as soon as she looks good and is getting recognition, he's like, fuck the job. You're so much better than this. And it's like, no, she's actually doing well. And it also, I mean, like maybe this is half the ways

[00:52:54] failing that she's too good that it actually hurts the movie. Maybe. But when she gets sucked into the world, you don't feel like her soul is being corrupted. No, exactly. Because she has so much integrity. It's like, okay, she's caught up in all this stuff,

[00:53:08] but she's still a real person. And watching it, I realized that part of why this movie works so well is because you never want her to quit the job. Ever. Yeah, that's the thing. Quitting the job seems like a bad move.

[00:53:21] The whole time, as soon as she starts killing the job, you're like, yes, this is great because she doesn't turn into a bad person. Regardless of the fact that she misses Adrienne Griney's birthday. She's still a good person and she doesn't come vapid ever. I agree.

[00:53:36] And I think a shittier version of this movie, and I'm not giving credit to Frankel, I'm giving credit to those two actors. I think a shittier version of this movie, the person playing Andy would have started playing it more vapid where she becomes insufferable

[00:53:46] and I think Priestly would have just been a villain and he would have gone to monster. He would have just been a monster. He would have gone to monster. He would have just been a monster. But instead, she just works really well. Yeah. And regardless of, I mean,

[00:53:55] I think her being well-dressed is just an add-on. But it's not like she is well-dressed and then everyone likes her and she's doing better. She actually is in charge of the job. She sells that transformation as an actress. Right. Yeah. But I would say Weisberger's Failing

[00:54:10] in writing this book. And who, Aline Broshmikana, wrote the movie who also wrote We Bought a Zoo. We should shout her out. One of the only podcast episodes Ramly's listened to because she's seen that movie. This made her career. It did. She wrote 27 dresses. She wrote Morning Glory.

[00:54:27] She became like the sort of... That's such a rom-com. And she's one of the main forces behind the crazy ex-girlfriend. Yes. She's been on the air. But this was... This is like such a big calling card movie. Yeah. What was I going to say?

[00:54:42] Sorry, but I do feel like it's like when she quits it's supposed to be triumphant at the end. And you're kind of like... I was so mad. Stick it out for three more months. Whatever. She gets the job anyway, I guess.

[00:54:51] It almost feels like that's the breakup scene. The mirror though. Yeah. It's so true. The mirror. What do you think the mirror is supposed to be? I thought it was Observer. Yeah, exactly. It's not even like the Daily News. I think she's getting a job at the Observer

[00:55:02] with the New York Sun, RIP New York Sun. Yeah. Like it's not that great a job. She's doing okay. She's doing okay. Who's that actor who plays the editor there? He's in like everything, that guy. But you know what I was thinking too is that

[00:55:12] in the beginning was why she defends runway is because really good writers write for it. Yeah, she's saying like hey they have like a Joan Diddy and P.C. or... So why doesn't she just start writing good things for runway? Move over to the editorial. Right.

[00:55:25] Hey, it's like... Is it maybe because like my thought was we're all like savvy New York people. Correct. And but there is this, I mean there is this accessibility of it being a little bit more mainstream. And my whole feeling of like what we're discussing

[00:55:38] is it's like the common man is gonna like sort of appreciate these like choices in the story or something. Does that make sense? I just love you saying the common man. We're just looking at it from a career choice. Yeah, because all of us in this room...

[00:55:50] Run away you get more. Fuck, I'm sorry. I missed your birthday. Who gives the shit? I'm hustling other fuckers. There's something kind of fantastical if you are far away from New York about the very world that this movie is taking place. Right. And this movie is...

[00:56:04] Where are we gonna say? It's such a New York movie too. It's such a New York movie and the point I was gonna make is it's working off of some of that same sex in the city mojo of like look at this except it's kind of

[00:56:16] popping the hood on the car and showing you how the stuff actually works. It's not just like where's their money coming from where are they getting all these clothes from. Like this movie is about how that world is structured and functions. A little bit.

[00:56:26] Which I think makes it more interesting. One thing it does well too is she doesn't start buying those clothes she's given all those... If she showed up at work wearing that you know all those ensembles you would be really mad. She's making 32 grand a year.

[00:56:37] Yeah, yeah, like if that in 2006. Okay so beginning the movie she is a high school... A journalism graduate. She's a high school graduate. She's a high school graduate then she went to college. She's a journalist coming from Northwestern which has a renowned journalism school. Yeah.

[00:56:52] Our father's alma mater. True. Yeah. After a few different pit stops there. Yeah. Sure. She's at a Kandey Nast. I mean it's called something else or whatever but... Yeah. And she's been... I think the idea is she's being sent around to a couple of the magazines.

[00:57:08] She's got her connections. She's got her referrals but nothing's really sticking. She's going in for a bunch of interviews. And she is sort of like whooshed into Miranda Priestly's office to interview as her second assistant. Right. Next to her first assistant, Emily. Who? Played by Emily Blanch.

[00:57:23] Jesus fucking Christ. She's not good in this movie. I mean so good in this movie that she almost got an Oscar nomination which is pretty crazy. When you think of no one who knew who she was and she's playing like a total should be stereotype character.

[00:57:36] Our mother when she's... She's her second performance on screen. I know. I mean in a movie. So I think she'd be in a sensitive... Mostly stage but our mother and I we went to see My Summer of Love together when that came out. Which was her first movie.

[00:57:51] Great movie. Big fan of the movie. It's Pavel Pavolowski or how do you say his name? I've interviewed him. He's very nice, yes. Great director. We went to see that movie and we're just like Jesus fucking Christ who is this Emily Blanch? Oh I have to watch them.

[00:58:05] She's scary in that movie. She's sort of the villain. Very terrifying. Very cold, very internal. It's on Griffin's coming of age movie list for me. It's a good coming of age movie. It's a great one, right? That is true. But she's phenomenal in that

[00:58:16] and we are both like jeez she's gonna be a big star. But then like this is her second movie she gets like a plum supporting role in a big studio movie that happens to blow up and she's just immaculate. She's really good. She's boxing at the same level

[00:58:28] as Meryl Streep in this movie. She's terrific. And she's like 24 in this? Like how old is Emily Blunt? In this movie I think she's 24 years old. That's fine. She was 21 I think. Yeah you nailed it. She's like 23-24. Insane. She's three years older than me. Yeah.

[00:58:44] I think in three years I'm gonna be where Emily Blunt is. Right? Yeah you got a lot of ketchup to do but I think you're at an accelerated. You're moving at a good pace now. But she gets a globe nomination. She gets a BAFT anomaly.

[00:58:53] You know what I mean? She was like in the sort of zone. What I was gonna say is my mom and I see Summer of Love and we're like Emily Blunt's gonna be a huge star. When we saw her on the trailer for Devil Wars products

[00:59:03] it's like oh cool Emily Blunt's getting like American work but it wasn't clear how big her role was. She takes Rom to see it and says Emily Blunt's gonna get nominated for an Oscar. And I mocked my mom. I said that's ins- Yeah too soon. Talking. Too soon.

[00:59:15] Right right right. Even if she's good, that she's too new. But then she got the BAFT and the globe. Yeah she almost made it. It felt like she was within because looking back she should have gotten it. It's also insane Emily Blunt has yet to be nominated

[00:59:26] because she is yet to give a lot of distrust. A bad performance ever. She's great. In any genre. She's great. Love it. She's incredible. I think her character is the best character in the movie. I do too. She's sort of the secret lead of the movie. Yeah.

[00:59:39] So she's the most human character. Agreed. Because This is Rom Emily's take. I like this take. She cares. Like Hathaway doesn't care and does really well. And that's Emily's failing as she cares too much. Blunt cares so much and doesn't get anything more than anyone else. Yeah.

[00:59:54] It's not like she's closer with Miranda. It's not like she's further on. I mean every time she's like you have 15 minutes for lunch and I have 20. I mean she cares about the minutia because this job is her entire existence. Right. Yes.

[01:00:07] She looks up to everyone else so much and she never really gets that payoff and in turn she's just so insecure. And it's an incredible performance aside from the fact that like every single line is a knockout in terms of her line readings. She does some great lines.

[01:00:21] Consistent like fastballs, right? The arc of this character is really interesting because she's presented as being like impenetrable. Right. Like this woman is immaculate. She's just got it all going on. She knows every single move she's dismissive to everyone. She's constantly high status.

[01:00:37] And as the movie goes on you start to see the cracks where it's just like... Like how vulnerable she is. Well how much effort she puts into everything. I mean everything is just so like she goes home and she thinks how am I gonna impress Miranda tomorrow.

[01:00:48] That it's not just attitude. You start to see the strain of how much she's burning the candle. Both ends to do this job well. And I think perhaps the most poignant moment is when she... Hathaway has to call her to tell her that she's going to Paris

[01:01:03] and she's like kind of shitting on Miranda and is like, oh then I have to do this and this and this. Buying the scarves. But she fucked up. She admits that she forgot. It's one of her few moments of weakness. Right. And she's like very human.

[01:01:18] And she's finally, because she feels close enough with Andy. That's the thing. She's finally letting her guard down. The museum scene beforehand where she talks about the cheese diet. She doesn't eat anything until she's starving and then she eats a cube of cheese,

[01:01:31] which I think about all the time. Doesn't she say I'm one stomach flew away from my ideal life? Which is so funny. My Paris weight, whatever. And then right. And then the scene not long after where she's trying to get the scarves, the Hermes scarves in time. Yes.

[01:01:46] It's hit by a cab. That is the punctuation. You know the crazy thing that happens with this movie, right? True. So she blows up in this movie and Fox immediately... This is a Fox movie, we should say. Yes, this is a Fox movie. Fox goes like Emily Blunt.

[01:02:00] We're putting a pin in you. Sure. We're signing the deal for you to be in another Fox movie. We want to get you in the ensemble of another Fox movie. Uh-huh. So they had like an IOU deal with Emily Blunt. Emily Blunt gets offered

[01:02:14] Black Widow and Iron Man. She does. And I was... Not offered, announced. She was announced as the star. She was announced as playing Black Widow at the Scarlett Johansson part who's now in all the Marvel movies. And she would have been great probably.

[01:02:24] And I'm not a Scarlett Johansson fan. Well, I remember when Scarger was cast, when Scarger was cast though, I was like, you know, but anyway, first part. And in Iron Man 2, she's shaky. Yeah, she's got the ring. She gets really good later. I think...

[01:02:37] No, I think Avengers figured out how to write that character. Yeah, we didn't figure it out. Right, and she sort of grew into it and became more believable as she got older and all of that. But Blunt was first announced and then Fox went,

[01:02:51] uh-uh-uh, we still have you under contract and pulled her out of Iron Man 2 in order to do... Do you remember what the movie is they made her do? Is it the Jane Austen book club? It is not. It is Gulliver's Travels. Oh, that is so painful.

[01:03:06] Oh, God, with Jack Black. Yes. Jason Siegel. Which people don't even remember she was in. And that also doesn't come out for years because the visual effects were hard and they kept pushing it. I feel like that movie came out like three years after it was filmed.

[01:03:20] Yes, so she got blocked out of being in like 12 Marvel movies to do... Sorry, Emily. And she's built an incredible career for herself. But it's one of those big work. Yeah, but it took her a while. It took her a while to...

[01:03:30] Because she's in a lot of movies after this movie. I feel like she really started becoming like a serious leading lady in studio films in the last two years. Yeah, because it was like when she's in Looper, which is six years later, people are kind of like,

[01:03:43] Emily Blunt's pretty good in Looper. Like that's an interesting thing to say. She's always been perfect. I mean, she's... And everything. I've never seen a bad live performance. No, I've never seen a... I agree. ...blown performance that's less than great.

[01:03:54] But I've never been salmon fishing in the YEP to be fair. I haven't been either. I haven't salmon fished in the YEP. Which let's acknowledge is one of her five Golden Globe nominations. The Globes Keep On Lawn Hack. And she's getting another one next year

[01:04:06] for Mary Poppins Returns. Zero question. She is locked. She's locked the fuck in for that one. That kind of feels like it's going to be the big test for her, you know? Yeah. Because that's just such big shoes to fill. But everyone's kind of like... She'll do fine.

[01:04:20] I think she's going to kill it. All right. So Andy gets in this opening scene. Andy's being rushed in right to meet with Miranda. You meet the main character. Andy doesn't even know who Miranda is practically. And Emily's like... It's a rom-com version of

[01:04:36] the Aaron Sorkin Walk and Talk. Sure. Two Chee Blast Sid and he says Gert your loin. Another person who should have been Oscar nominated for this movie. Yes. The best performance in the movie. We're not getting better than Streep. I get in the touch.

[01:04:50] No, no, not at all. Oh, no. We're getting two sperm handfuls of Tucci. Rom, a thing you need to know is that Ben loves a touch of the Tucci. He does love. Anytime he can get a touch of the Tucci,

[01:05:01] just a touch of the Tucci in the movie. Just a little Tucci. He is pleased. But this movie... Like Spotlight is a classic touch of the Tucci. A touch of the Tucci. A Tucci's the second best character in this movie. Miranda. Blunt. Oh, yeah. She's good too.

[01:05:12] Blunt's my top performance. A lot of great performances. Yeah. Yeah. This movie should have gotten three Oscar nominations. Four. I mean, it got a well-deserved costume nomination. Very rare. One of the only movies to get a contemporary costume and get a new nomination.

[01:05:25] And you know, rewatching it, I think that's well deserved because the costumes actually hold up. Yes, they do. I think there's one outfit that doesn't work. There's one outfit that is a fucking disaster, in my opinion. Which one? The hat and this like crazy necklace.

[01:05:38] Oh, no, you see, that's very Coco Chanel. I remember the shirts with the shoulderless sweater. The two-tone helmet. You see, I've seen women at fashion women wear that this day. David, maybe we should defer to Ben and Rahman this issue because they're like the fashionistas.

[01:05:56] They're the people going to fashion weeks to know the trend. That is a big Chanel move that had. Because that jumped out to me as like too far ahead. Those necklaces still worn. Me and Joanna, we're evaluating every outfit as we saw them.

[01:06:08] We were always like, we love her jackets. And we just wear some great jackets in this movie. That's the only one where we're both in agreement like, no. She's not pulling this off. Well, me and Ben live in this world. I know, we don't live in this world.

[01:06:19] I'm not denying that. I think, I also like, I mean this is just kind of phased off of reality, but Pristly never wears insane outfits and nor does Wintour. Yes. Which is good. Yes, right. Wintour always looks like kind of unexciting. Yeah, no. But that's just her place.

[01:06:34] She just doesn't really go out of her comfort box. She's all proof, right? Exactly. And Streep does the same thing. I have, I should say I've written in an elevator with Anna Wintour and I've held a door open for Anna Wintour.

[01:06:45] I've interacted with her twice in the Conde Nast film. With Rom and I, Rom was my stylist for the tick, permare. And we went to get my outfit tailored. And while we were waiting for them to do the tailoring they did a very quick job.

[01:07:00] From kind of tap me and went, look over there. And pointed up on the shelf it was Anna Wintour's dry cleaning. Oh. Like four or five boxes. The famed dry cleaning. That was such a devil wears Prada moment because they just had like five white boxes that said

[01:07:16] a Wintour and I was just waiting for Andy to swoop in and pick up. And I thought like, I wonder if first of all they ever mess up her dry cleaning because shit would really hit the fan. I felt really good about the fact that that's

[01:07:28] where we were getting right. Me too. Because it was like they're not going to fuck with me. They're a Wintour's garb. True, true. That's true. I mean she would have ultimate trust. But I was also just wondering if the assistant ever takes the wrong box. Sure.

[01:07:43] She takes the box. I'm sure all just big. She's been a chief of Vogue for practically 30 years. I'm sure there've been mistakes. But you also looked like you wanted to run up there and rip open the box and just scan what is it? Yeah.

[01:07:56] No, I once was in the box. Anytime I've been to the Connie and asked building many times usually just to get lunch with Richard and Katie who work at Banny Fair. And once I held the door open absentmindedly for someone like as I was walking out of

[01:08:09] into a hallway and it was Anna Wintour and she's been thank you as she like swooshed by me. And once I wrote in a note later. She said thank you. She was very polite. And I've seen her at premieres wearing the sunglasses like famously she wears

[01:08:22] sunglasses even in the movie. Yes. Like because I think there's some suggestion that she has damaged eyes. She does not. I mean that's just bullshit. Yeah. All right. So Andy interviews sort of with Miranda who's this terrifying arch figure. But incredibly quiet and calm and poised.

[01:08:47] Barely says anything speaks in a whisper barely looks up from her shit usually. And that's all like yeah. That's all really good. Sometimes there's a sort of a mild hand gesture. Also I do think a lot of times in movies when they try to emulate a real person

[01:09:05] or figure their name is off. Miranda Priestly such a good name. Good name. Such a good name. She is Anna Wintour to down to she's English. She has that sort of like lilting accent. She's married. She's on her second husband and he's this

[01:09:20] sort of like vaguely important washing. Maybe he's a lobbyist or something you don't know which is what where Anna Wintour is always married to some sort of person in the corridors of power or what she's not married anymore. Yeah. And all the details are great.

[01:09:33] I mean runways pretty good name for magazine. Runways usually fuck that up so well. Yeah. Like if they call it like fashion week magazine or ugly Betty. Yeah. Ugly Betty which comes out the same year. Ugly Betty has the same kind of premise

[01:09:48] sort of you know it's set in a fashion magazine comes out the same year and has suddenly I see by Katie Tunstall and I remember it has like a terrible name mode. Oh you know it's like that messed it up runways perfect.

[01:10:03] I think this movie does well with those elements. I agree. Supposedly when the movie came out Anna Wintour's office was too close to how this movie makes her office look so she totally changed her office although I've been told like if you walk into Anna

[01:10:16] Wintour's office you have to walk a long way before you get to Anna Wintour like she it's like a cavern and she's at the back. I've told the story here about when for Malini we did the rehearsal in Lauren Michael's office. Sure.

[01:10:30] And Lauren wasn't there but they were like yeah it's just like a room that's open at 30 Rockets he has like five offices in that one building. Right. And the one we went to was dead on Jack Donoghue's office. Right. Like laid out the exact same way and

[01:10:42] he had like the globe that turned into the bar and all of that and then Malini was like oh my god like this is the only time I've ever been in here where Lauren wasn't here I'm going to do what I've always wanted to

[01:10:53] do and he hit the wall and the door open and it was the bathroom which is the joke in 30 Rock that he has a bathroom hidden in the wall like all of that was taken. We should get Malini on this podcast

[01:11:05] and then we should get Lauren on this podcast. Yeah great I'll email both of them I talked to them both a lot. Yeah yeah please do. What is it? Lauren.michael.com? Yes it always is. It always is. Lauren.michael.com. At snl.edu. I was just Malini

[01:11:19] was so good on get there recently have you seen that episode yet? I haven't I've been phenomenal you're really going to enjoy it. I'll watch it. I'll watch it. I actually went to before I got this job that I'm starting I had two possible jobs

[01:11:32] one was this and another was working at a fashion magazine. Sure. And Oh you can tell this is a boss story about how you contacted her. Yes. So there's this woman who worked at Harper's Bazaar for a while and she's been doing this for

[01:11:47] a while and then got named the editor-in-chief in style magazine. Sure. Which previously wasn't that highly regarded. No I think of that as right shopping for more. Exactly. But she kind of turned it around has flipped the fashion industry because she's really smart and she's really funny

[01:12:04] and she's really nice. And you're pretty good social media stalker like you're pretty good at keeping tabs on the people you respect to figure out how they're living their lives. Yes. And I think there is this weird not weird this great new movement

[01:12:19] in fashion where being a bitch isn't cool. Right. Winter is sort of an older generation. Right. People idolize women like this a lot more now than they then winter or others. So and there's this woman who you know the I think also fashion blogging helped a lot with

[01:12:37] that because now women who like have actual things to say can become big in the fashion world and it's a dramatic universe that it starts to break into. Yeah. So I saw this woman and I was like OK I really want to work for her.

[01:12:51] I don't know if fashion is really the right move for me because of movies like this but I was like with shot and I was like I need to get to her. And so what I did was I had previously been emailing someone at Food and Wine magazine

[01:13:08] and I realized that food and wine and in style are both like. Of course. So I just looked at how emails were formed. The domain name. The domain name and sent an email of nowhere. First name last name. First name last name at

[01:13:24] and style the question usually is if there are a dot. Exactly. I think that there's a dot. OK. There's a dot and it paid off. So now I'm just going to email you know Brock.Obama.Gmail.com. Yep. That's his email address. Yes.

[01:13:39] But Romley like send him a meme. And then I got a call from somebody through guessing their email address and was like hey I'm just applying for the job. Can I get an interview. Hey man. That's that's boss. Yeah. People this is how you network listen up.

[01:13:54] Blank check has networking advice. Yeah. We are practical podcast. But then she got scooped by another job first. And so there you go. Yeah. OK. So she gets the job. Surprising. She like goes back home. She gets the job right. It looks like she flubs it

[01:14:09] and she doesn't know about. She does not get back home. She walks directly outside of the office and blunt comes and swoops her up and says rolls her eyes. OK. I am wrong. Which is an interesting point. Yes. Because it's quite unlikely that

[01:14:23] she would just walk out of the building and immediately be recruited to her first day of work. Sure. There's some agreed. And so for the first like 20 minutes of this movie she's the new assistant who's bad at her job. She's not into it. Right.

[01:14:37] And a lot of this is just like the first day like the whole first chunk of the movie is like yeah right. Being thrown to the deep end. The Cerulean sweater scene like all that. Great scene when she goes to cafeteria with Tucci.

[01:14:46] Can we talk about her friends? OK. No one in New York City has a group of friends like this. What are you talking about? What are you? What do you mean? It's insane. They all grew up together. It's like the like that ensemble the way they portray

[01:14:59] that group of friends it's like get the fuck out of here. They have great banter. Her two best friends are also best friends with her boyfriend. I know and also they have like weekly dinners. It seems like. In like Tribeca. Yeah. God knows what they all do.

[01:15:13] One of them is an artist who Tracy Thoms plays an artist who takes like very big pictures of New York and sort of leans them against the wall. Like very we're talking like 12 feet like tall pictures. I think she's really goodness actually. She is good.

[01:15:25] Every girl is really good at it. The banter is really good. Tom's Tom's Tom's I forget how you are. But it is one of those things where they like set it up like the four best friends who have been best friends forever and never go two days

[01:15:35] without seeing each other. And they're trying to break into New York. Or one couple. Sure. And then two other friends of theirs who are not together. Do you know what I'm saying? I do. It really sounds like the worst friend group. No it's rife with problems.

[01:15:47] Because I think it does really revolve around Andy and Renee. Right. But and then the rest of them are just like, Andy. What's green is Nate. That's his name. Oh yeah. He's such a Nate in this. It is weird watching him this because this is like a couple

[01:16:00] years into on Teraj. David Frankel did some on Teraj. This was clearly the studio being like, well he's doing a pretty good job pretending to be famous. What if we actually put him in real movies? Sure. And it felt like everyone was like, nope this is weird.

[01:16:12] I can't watch it. It feels like watching a Vinny Chase thing. It's kind of why he was good in on Teraj in that weird sort of way where it's like, yeah he kind of looks like a movie star but you're never going to be worried about him

[01:16:21] actually being a movie star. Where were you the first time you saw on Teraj? Where was I? I was in college, New Castle University. I believe I torrented it to watch it on my laptop. And I was like, this is bad because the pilot episode of

[01:16:34] on Teraj is terrible. I don't know if anyone remembers. And then I got really into it and watched several seasons of on Teraj. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Where were you then? I was at my friend Len's house. I dropped out of school. Wait, wait, from still my sunshine?

[01:16:49] Len? The band? You're hanging out with the band Len? Yeah, absolutely. Were you in a basement in New Jersey? Yeah, I was in a basement in New Jersey. You dropped out of college? What are we talking about here? Yeah, I had actually lied

[01:17:02] to my parents and told them I was attending college. Wasn't, I was living in Philly in my car. This is a whole weird time. You were living in your car? Yeah. You have to get on WTF. He asked to lock the gate. Yeah.

[01:17:12] And so yeah, I was at Len's house and he was like, yeah, check the show out. And I... Love it. Life long fan. I've never seen on Teraj. It's a bad TV show. It is, but season two is okay. It had a moment there. I've never watched it.

[01:17:24] You've never watched it? I've never watched season two. I've seen a handful of episodes. I mostly watched the Anna Faris or the because that was a period of my life where I was aspiring to be an Anna Faris. Do you know her mom worked on Antarash?

[01:17:35] She worked at a casting agency that was working on the sort of New York satellite of Antarash. So most of the casting was being done in LA, but they had them like scouting for people and doing sessions or whatever. Okay. She didn't successfully cast anybody.

[01:17:46] It's just the least dope on our show. That's why it's funny. Yeah. I've seen a lot of people who have been casted on the show. I've seen a lot of people who have been casted on the show. I've seen a lot of people who have been casted

[01:17:58] on the show. That's why it's funny. Yeah. I remember her reading it and going, this is terrible. We'll never get picked up. Oh yeah. Yeah. Ari is men's rights. All right. Sure. So she's working. Here's what I want to talk about because you did this

[01:18:12] Rulian monologue, which is obviously like a bedrock thing. But what I love is the scene where she gets chewed out for something that's not her fault which is Miranda getting, not getting on a plane because of a hurricane. She's crying like she sort of flounces off to cry,

[01:18:27] which we've all done in media. Oh, you're jumping way because she's already been there a couple of weeks. This is when the dad comes into town to see Chicago. That's right. But no, this isn't that far ahead. This is like 25 minutes into the movie. OK.

[01:18:40] If that and she goes to cry to Stanley Tucci. And rather than him being totally mean or him being totally sympathetic and being like, I know Miranda is a handful. He's like, he kind of just sort of like re-centres her where he's like, I know

[01:18:55] you think that this job is just something you're doing and like you're dain to do it. But it's very important to people and like this magazine is very important to like the to a lot of people like me when I was a kid, right?

[01:19:07] Which the way he tells that story so fucking good. It's like this pocket drop moment where like because the movie I think knows it's combating in the first 30 minutes. The percentage of people who are going to write off everything that happens is ridiculous because oh my

[01:19:19] god, the fashion industry. It's so self absorbed. It's such a bubble. Who gives a shit? Yeah. And it has these two models. Giselle is Emily's friend. Right. Which fuck that. Yeah. Especially because she's not named Giselle. They call her something else She doesn't look good in that.

[01:19:34] But she does not look good. No. Well they've given her like a bun. I know, but if you're going to have Giselle in a movie like that, at least make her look like Giselle. They're also, they're not lighting her well. She's got intense bone structure and the movie

[01:19:46] clearly knows how to light the lead actresses. She looks like a model which like wisely Emily Blunt doesn't look like a model because she wouldn't be a model because she is she's a fashion journalist. Yes. Yeah. Anyway. No, but those two monologues are really well written. Yep.

[01:20:00] Without being like sort of didactic. You know, they fully kind of undress all the sort of preconceptions you have about the industry and this all being frivolous, the concerns of the movie being stupid. Right. But they're also both masterfully fucking delivered. Like you've got Streep

[01:20:16] and Tucci making direct police to the audience to care about the movie. Right. Which is like, you're just so young if you ask those actors to do that. Yes. You could start any movie with Stanley Tucci being like here's why the stakes of this film are important.

[01:20:30] That's what he's doing. Right. And it's so good. And that moment where he goes like, you know how many girls would kill for this job? Like let's say for instance. Yeah. How many right because then he talks about himself. Right. And that's you're just like suddenly like, oh,

[01:20:45] the whole veneer of course these are like real people. These aren't just stark like archetype, you know, kind of like fashion assholes. He's a guy who like this was his life. This is what saved him is that he found this magazine. And that's the success of the

[01:20:58] movie because the movie because easily just everyone's a villain. Right. Just the biggest villain of them all. That's why it's a good movie. Can we talk? In my point that I made off Mike Tobin and Romley was that he is mean but not cruel. If that makes sense.

[01:21:12] Like obviously he says a lot of cutting things, but he never seems to have a cruel personality. It's what he's like figured out about the character. Yeah. Without having to do it. He's a brilliant actor. Amazing. Stanley Tucci. I'm grasped. Grasp by the Tucci.

[01:21:26] Can we talk about his head move he does in this? So good. He's got this very specific gesture he does when he's talking, when he's on these like long hyperverbal monologues where he like strokes the top of his head. He like rubs the top of his head.

[01:21:41] He also has the large ring which I love. The ring is so great. Crazy ring. Yes. It's very crucial in his betrayal scene right at the end when he's got the ring right by his face. Right, that's why I was just going to say it, but I was

[01:21:52] going to leave it. No, it's fine. I mean we can spoil the movie Miranda Priestly, screws over Stanley Tucci's character at the end there. Yeah. Nigel. What's pretty hard for I can't. I got choked up for the first time. Watching at this time? Yeah. Now you're an adult.

[01:22:07] You have your own career concerns. No, it's true. Right. You can identify more with what's happening there. But the head move is like it's like he's stroking his hair that isn't there deep in thought, but he is like he's just stroking his hair. Exactly.

[01:22:20] And in those scenes where he's going on these long monologues to like have some specific physical like business you can do so it's not just you standing stationary. Like he's always doing shit in this movie. I love that whenever he's giving any advice he's also

[01:22:31] like approving of shit. He's also right. He's working. He is playing a character who you understand that Miranda respects him. Right. Even if she's quiet about it you know as she would be right like she's not somebody who lavishes praise upon him. Right. Her biggest praise I think

[01:22:46] is that someone decided to come to work today at the editorial meeting. Yes. But like he defers to her and he's quiet and he's not argumentative but he also is obviously smart and in charge of shit and independent. Right. And understands her psychology like understands how to work

[01:23:02] around her and with her and all of that. Right. So now now Hathaway's in this position I know we're kind of speeding through this but Hathaway's in this position where like it's not a potty movie. No it's really not. No. These two monologues have a lot of importance

[01:23:16] and I think it's important to understand her that make her understand A why fashion is of some importance and B why this job specifically is of some importance. And that's why you really don't present her for getting into the job. No because those two monologues are so well

[01:23:27] delivered that you're like Yeah. That's why it's good. Yeah. The two montages in the early part of the movie the first one is the oh my god this job is so hard montage where she's like Dropping everything. Running around yeah and like She's rick the interning

[01:23:41] She's rick the interning and then the second montage which is about 35 minutes in and then the third montage which is about 15 minutes in a while and then the third montage which is about the interning she goes to toochie and she's like remodel me see he gives her touch

[01:23:53] of the toochie that's he goes let me give you just a touch to set you on your way a boop of the tooch tooch boop yes no yeah and then and then you see her style sense of style evolving a little bit right and that's

[01:24:04] that's pretty well done the way they keep on using the the movement to hide the outfit changes pretty well done I think clanging pop music really like my god in the music really bad I forgot how terrible it's got the worst soundtrack and I know and every

[01:24:19] song sounds the same yes it sounds like you're in like a uniclo and pop music is playing and they also keep on doing like other than then suddenly I see they do a lot of the like the song drops at the peak of the chorus so it's like

[01:24:33] you're just hearing the iTunes preview version of the song maybe that's all they could afford yeah any better did a whole soundtrack no that was really well any better any better he was just on twin peaks nobody better nobody better nobody does it better

[01:24:50] so a lot of people do it better so there's this progression to the point where she gets the book right like that's sort of the first sign that she's doing a good job right which this movie goes like let's create the most insurmountable ask of all time

[01:25:05] yeah I have a lot of the book thing annoys me the book thing annoys me and annoys me and that is the setup actually which Hathaway finally gets tasked with you get to drop off the book the book at her brownstone another annoying town has another annoying

[01:25:20] moment is when she's like what's the book anyone would fucking know anyone who went to journalism school does what the book is or also at this point context clues sure right context clues you work in a magazine guess just take a guess yeah so but yes

[01:25:34] this is Emily's task and it's now finally being sloughed off right to Andy which is to drop off the book right in townhouse you just put the dry cleaning in the closet leave the book on the table second floor it's the it's the table with the flowers

[01:25:48] table the flowers right and she gets up there and there are a couple different tables with flowers oh no and she's got the dry cleaning and she's like this woman has a master's degree right to be clear which closet I don't know usually not a dits

[01:26:01] and this is like the one ditzy they like dial the dits up to redhead twins are like the twins straight from the shining two shining twins pop up yeah and and all of a sudden she just lets go of everything and was like okay if you say so

[01:26:13] they're fucking with her so first they give her what seems like solid advice they go the closet on the left right and she puts it in she's like thanks and then they're like she's like what do I do with the book which table

[01:26:24] so I feel like those two girls wouldn't get that much of a thrill off of tricking an assistant absolutely not absolutely not but here's the moment I hate if I could do a director cut this film this scene pisses me off I would literally cut this

[01:26:37] I did fast forward to the scene one line extreme to the drives me insane okay you can bring it up to us no I have to put on a table I have to put on a table or sometimes actually mom likes it when people deliver it to

[01:26:54] her themselves and then the one twin goes what no she doesn't and then the other twin looks at her oh yeah she does yeah Emily does it all the time Anne Hathaway is supposed to be a smart person master's degree watch them had the conversation where they go

[01:27:09] no she doesn't she's already killing it at this part she's doing a good job pre-killing it exactly like if they want to give her the wrong instructions it should have been played like the way they give her the closet which is just like at the left and up

[01:27:21] bring it upstairs yeah which is ridiculous there's two tables leave it on one of the tables leave it on one of the tables they're within an eye sight of each other she'll see it at the very least you'll get like 5% like shade the next day

[01:27:34] if you leave it on the wrong table she's also worked for Miranda previously for how long now weeks at this point and she somehow believes that if she leaves it like brings directly to her things will go well I mean as if and this is just a

[01:27:46] you know narrative device so that we can see Miranda in a fight with her husband to humanize Miranda but this scene is so not it's not necessary there are other ways you could get to that same course and also you could get to it by the

[01:27:58] you could do the exact same scene and she just hears the fight right exactly whatever but so the next day Miranda's like Miranda's mad right and she's like I need to get Harry Potter for the she asks it's like a of Hercules away it's like an impossible task

[01:28:14] get me two copies of the unpublished of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows the seventh book the most closely guarded book in history which would be impossible to obtain to be clear literally impossible impossible literally the only person I believe who got the book was Michiko and

[01:28:30] the book and even then like the publisher was like we don't know how she got I feel like they could have done anything else like it could have been like can you get Manolo Blonix new shoes but they're trying to do this very specific like pop culture

[01:28:42] like thing from the moment I guess and I remember when seeing it in the theater I was like fuck this because she's going to get it of course she has to get it sure which is frustrating because it's impossible to obtain to be clear but I think

[01:28:57] it's like it's like which is frustrating because it's impossible it's impossible and then also there's a ticking clock not only right they need to be on a train to the grandma's place she gets it within a three hour period she contacts Simon Baker

[01:29:10] who we're going to get to that and I hope you bring up the detail that drives me insane fucking three of them yeah she gets three copies contact Simon Baker he gets her the book somehow we'll get to that yeah she makes three copies two bound one unbound

[01:29:23] because she doesn't want to look like a manuscript right delivers them to an Amtrak train yes the cover of these bound copies Harry Potter book seven which is wild don't do that the kids are going to get it snatched out of their fucking hands

[01:29:36] write AP bio on it so what's the detail that bugs you the fact that she has the time to get them bound and the energy to get them bound and have them designed so they look better than the fucking galleys also I have a big problem is that

[01:29:53] when she goes to Miranda and says I got the books Miranda's like oh where are they they're already on the train yeah what was Miranda expecting so if she had given to her them there like it would have been too late regardless she doesn't seem annoyed

[01:30:05] when she walks in it's just so you can have the misdirect of oh so close but she fucked it up I actually got it on the Amtrak yeah it's sort of a it's like an Ozymandias reveal like what you don't know is I already did it 30 minutes ago

[01:30:17] no but like Miranda is the Ozymandias of this movie though and Andy is the Ozymandias Andy's night out in true Miranda fashion if she walked in Miranda should have been like it's too late yeah she wasn't like it's too late yes exactly

[01:30:29] I don't even know why you're here because yeah are you already on the train? sure Emily's Dr. Manhattan oh Tucci's Manhattan Blunt's Worship yeah that sounds more yeah whatever and the way she gets into Simon Baker who's playing I don't know what he's supposed to be in this

[01:30:49] he's supposed to be like some cross between like the most celebrated like travel journalist alive and like some sort of scarf wearing like fashion hipster I can't tell if he's perfectly cast or really miscast I think he's miscast but like I feel like in a weird way

[01:31:05] that's what that guy would look like a little bit any guy who's really celebrated writer but also is in the fashion industry I think he needs to be like a little more rugged like but we were me and Joanna were really debating this like what

[01:31:20] who should it be like who's because Joanna thinks he's just unattractive I think that's crazy he's a pretty guy he just looks he's the mentalist for God's he's like I don't think he to go from Adrian Grenet to him it's like I feel like she wouldn't yeah

[01:31:35] you know it's very far there's a long walk between those two the character type is kind of a big reach to because it's essentially like what if you had like a journalist who mostly did short form like like magazine pieces but with the sort of renowned and cultural

[01:31:52] import of like a gay Tali's you know or like a Thomas Wolf you know at their peak he seems pretty gay he seems pretty gay but then also what if he looks like a fucking adventurer right but only a little bit and like why is he so

[01:32:08] interested in Andy like I get that he wants to have sex with her but like if he's this famous yeah so like I don't know yeah at the point where he gets her the manuscript like there isn't even not much flirtation going on between them they've met once

[01:32:22] and he offered to read he really wouldn't do that for her and then she calls him he's on the street standing on a random street corner she's like I'm sorry but like I really need Harry Potter book 7 he's like oh yeah well you know that's impossible

[01:32:37] and then he calls back he's like you know what I have this buddy who's like an agent or whatever friend of my friend does the drawings yeah that's it and like they have a galley the guy who does the drawings wouldn't even be able to get it himself

[01:32:47] right I'm glad we spent this much time on this because you have to get the worst parts yeah it's a perfect movie but but then she nails it she does nail it so she's passed she's or I guess she's relieved herself of her failure she's invincible

[01:33:02] and now like Streep knows her name she's Andy now she's not Emily yes you know because everyone keeps on saying this is the new Emily this is my Emily Emily Emily no she's got a name now right and I guess not long after

[01:33:18] is the the met ball type event that they have where they're flanking her she was not supposed to go usually only first assistant go right and that is the met ball it's the met ball right I think so and like Grannie dares have his

[01:33:30] birthday on the same day as the met ball which in my opinion he should have addressed yes like that's his problem right because it's at the natural history museum actually blame his parents for that yeah they should have induced labor today earlier exactly so she misses his birthday

[01:33:45] I also hate the how she's like I'm so late for his birthday I'm like it's the met ball what is it one in the morning like yeah you're not going to make it right she should have just stopped then hopefully I'll be here too late

[01:33:55] you're gonna miss dinner you know it's an evening affair right a black tie evening affair but she does oh I'm sorry I missed the day of your birthday why don't we just have a party the next day exactly how it was hard it'll save

[01:34:08] and this is going for birthday Benny himself but also he knew that she was going to the met ball so he shouldn't have been so surprised well no because the idea is that kind of sprung it on her but come on they sprung it on her at like

[01:34:20] it was so light outside that day yeah earlier that day and like yeah the worst thing he does in my opinion is where he's like you look very pretty I think that's so shitty that is incredibly passive aggressive even by his standards he is a fucking passive aggressive

[01:34:35] and the way he delivers that line is just bad he I'm almost like is granny doing a good job because like am I supposed to be this pissed off about it or is he does he think he's sympathetic that's a good question like this is a weird movie

[01:34:49] and that a lot of the ways a lot of the things that elevated feel like mistakes sure do you know what I'm saying like not to give credit but it's like the movie ends up being more interesting because granny sucks so much mm-hmm because it is

[01:35:02] such a workplace comedy if they tried to play up the romance more he would take away from the movie really he's just like a thing to represent that she is getting sucked into the job like he's not really it's just like there are scenes with him

[01:35:15] so now we know he's not really a good guy but if someone actually charming was in the role then you'd be like fuck maybe she should do some more time with her boyfriend the point of the movie is that like he fucking sucks like he shouldn't

[01:35:28] be taking her away from this great job I agree and they don't get back together right? no no they don't he's also a chef at bubby he's busy you work long fucking hours yes it's you that never comes up because it seems like it must be like

[01:35:46] that place is open late yes that's when it gets big draws that it's open really late John Stuart's always there I distinctly remember eating like french toast there at four o'clock in the morning once wow you're such a cool guy thank you that was one of my

[01:36:01] four cool nights I distinctly remember it because it was one of the four nights where I was like look at me being cool in New York City NYC baby yeah I'll take a screwdriver with that french toast please yeah that was when I stopped being cool

[01:36:16] the person I was with was like what the fuck are you doing did you actually get a scooter? yeah you're always almost cool that's a top ten moment on the podcast right there that's right up there with Ellen Burson telling you to try silence

[01:36:31] you get to the place to be cool and then you just do one thing the dismount is wrong essentially it's like you're doing the whole gymnastics routine everyone's like this is it I think you're very cool you've always been cool oh griffin's very cool griffin's so cool

[01:36:49] he says super oh well yeah that's true I am a super but perhaps the most uncool superhero okay thank you so yeah he sucks and also both of their fight scenes before the final fight where they break up are ended with her being like I know I know

[01:37:07] you wanna have sex which is sort of like alright no but when she's like do you like this new necklace he's like I like your old necklaces and then she's like wearing this beautiful on suddenly whatever but the first time she's like check this out

[01:37:22] okay but this is bad because the first time she sees her the first time he sees her after she's gotten the makeover he's like I better get you out like you look so fucking amazing my girlfriend sees us and then the second time she's like

[01:37:35] I like your old clothes better and it's like no you'd fucking you don't do not like the lapis sweater more than this like you know terrible haircut he's the classic girl you don't need make up guy right like you know no you look beautiful and it's just like

[01:37:53] leave her alone she looks great he just feels threatened he feels threatened I feel like when the Fox executives saw the first cut of this movie they were like it's really good it's too bad that granny I think doesn't work we really wanted a strong romantic subplot

[01:38:07] but the movie is better because their romantic subplot is like the movie is better because their romantic subplot sucks I think that's true yeah like I think that wasn't what they intended maybe it is a purely career movie and we were talking but that's alright

[01:38:21] this isn't a rom-com right that's the thing is like I think they probably want a movie that was a little more half and half obviously there's a little less focus on the romance even just in how it's written than most movies like this but like I watched 9 to 5

[01:38:35] on the plane I had like 17 hours to watch and the first part was available on the plane very coincidentally and so I watched those two I believe it's available on all planes at all times I think it's the ultimate plane movie not back to back

[01:38:48] but I watched them within one contained metal tube ride and I was like this is a genre that doesn't really exist anymore and that has never really gotten its due which is like the workplace comedy which is purely just a workplace comedy and especially female driven workplace comedies

[01:39:03] always are well how do I balance my family end or my relationship end I watched a movie recently and it's a very well worked it's a very well worked you know what it is but do you not want to drag the movie?

[01:39:16] No no I'm going to tell you but I'm saying it's similar it's with Hathaway at the intern Oh Sure I think that intern's kind of good we talked about this But I do think that is a workplace Exactly That is a workplace movie That is a workplace movie

[01:39:32] I think the movie fails when it gets into our marriage The marriage about the intern for all of its failings are that it's a workplace movie and that's a movie about a friendship. Right. There's a lot. And a guy being an asshole.

[01:39:43] Right. Like a husband. Yeah. Oh god, he sucks on that one. That's another husband who feels threatened. He's, he's right. He's like Granny A times 10. Yeah. He's like Granny A if Anne Hathaway in this movie decides to, you know, procreate with him. Yeah.

[01:39:55] Fuck Ders. He's really tall. So, but alongside that is Paris, right? Which we know from the beginning that Emily is hunting for. All she's been doing is England for Paris, working up to Paris her entire career. And Miranda after Emily screws up

[01:40:11] the naming one of the guests at the Met Ball type event. And also let's remember earlier that day Emily's sick. She comes into office. Yeah, she's like coughing. And red nose looks like Steve Bannon. Another good thing they do there is that

[01:40:23] when Hathaway gets the name right instead of Blunt being pissed that she stole her thunder. Right. She says thank you. They're teammates now. Yes, they are teammates. That's really true. Which, right, makes the betrayal a little harder.

[01:40:37] Obviously she could get hit by a cab. Right. Let's just. But I like that her getting hit by a cab does not let Andy off the hook. No. And he still has to say I'm going to Paris without you. So Blunt gets sick. Miranda's

[01:40:48] freaked out by it when she comes in the office wheezing and coughing, which is sort of implied. That's why she wants Andy there because she's not really feeling super comfortable around Emily. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Then

[01:40:58] Andy knocks it out of the park, gives the name, wins over both of them and one fell swoop. Sure. Makes allies of both Miranda and Emily. Yeah. And then Miranda gives her the death blow, which is you're going to Paris

[01:41:09] if I need the best around me and make sure to tell Emily. You've got to tell Emily, which if I'm in a winter, that's how I would operate. I know. I'm not doing any awkward shit. Keeps your hands clean, but puts Andy in an impossible situation.

[01:41:21] She's making the phone call tough news. Boom. Hit by a car. I think the scarf in the air. I was going to say that is the definition of too much propere that is Frankel being like, oh, I have a good idea. No, you don't know. No, no.

[01:41:34] That was very 27 dresses. Yes. And it's like 80 scarves and they're in slow motion. And it's like everyone's like airmen's scarf out of here. We all have free scarves now. The scene in the hospital, I think is Blunt's best scene. Great scene. Yeah.

[01:41:50] And I talked in the past about watching Martin Shorty putting and how it was like, man, this is a good actor. You know how well he's putting. Blunt eats pudding so well in this. And you know what's good to and the carbs.

[01:42:03] It's the mark of a real artist. The second Andy says, you're not going to Paris. She starts eating all this shit because she hasn't been eating yet. And she's finally like, fuck it. There's nothing I have nothing to look forward to. I'm not going to wear the clothes.

[01:42:16] There's scabs all over my face. I'm in a hospital bed like I'm going to eat fucking car masterstroke when she says like your fat, you eat carbs and she's eating bread. As she says that there's a move

[01:42:27] that where Blunt like angrily tries to rip the lid off the pudding, but accidentally only rips half the lid. So good. And there isn't too much attention drawn to it. But then you see her go for the second half

[01:42:36] the lid with even more frustration and then takes a big glob full and delivers all this like she's she's so frustrated. She realizes she's gotten beaten. She doesn't even hate Andy anymore. No, no. He hates the fact that Andy seems to have out emilyed her. Right.

[01:42:51] She sort of hates her her shortcomings as an employee more than she hates Andy. She's pissed at Andy, but like in a more like you're quickly going to forgive her. You should have said no, you should have said yeah. So she goes to Paris.

[01:43:06] She does. Yeah, I don't know. This is it's interesting because the movie is about an hour, 50 minutes. Yeah, they only go to Paris with about 25 minutes left in the movie. And at this point, it introduces a huge subplot that almost immediately resolves.

[01:43:20] Yeah, yeah, that is almost feels like they're in search of an ending for the movie. I guess I assume it's right in the book. I don't know. It just feels like a conflict that's brought in very late to add some

[01:43:32] stakes because like to summarize and we can dig in, but like it's like she goes to Paris, she sleeps with Simon Baker. She sees that he's like part of some sort of her and granny has sort of broken up. I feel like that's definitely not in the book.

[01:43:43] Is it not? I mean, I don't know. No idea. No offense, Lauren. But and then yeah, she sleeps with Simon Baker, finds out this info, tries to tell Miranda and then and also she's found out the news at Paris that Stanley Tucci is going to like take this

[01:43:57] job with Daniel Sunyata's a designer guy. Which God, that guy is so charming. I was wanting to say that Simon Baker. I'm harming. I was a big fan of because he's so good in rescue me. The FX drama about firefighters and then if you play

[01:44:13] Simon Baker, you would it would be very believable. And that opening. He is well cast, though, as the kind of like yeah, he's slippery, right? Sort of Tom Ford asked like quite handsome. Well put together. Yeah, he's so good looking. I just I was like, fuck that.

[01:44:28] That's too good a face for one person to have. He's in the dark night rises. Yes. Yeah. Do you know he also narrated the like director's cut of loose change? The 9 11 conspiracy documentary. Yes, he is a 9 11 truth or which they build into his character

[01:44:44] in rescue me really used to piss off the actors so much with that shit. They were like, we should make I mean, you're a firefighter. We should make you a 9 11 truth. And I think that's his explanation is that like in doing research

[01:44:54] for rescue me and like finding out about firefighters, he started going down the rabbit hole and seeing the truth about the steel beams. Look Daniel, hour seven. I don't know what that means. And I don't care to seven. Oh, our seven. OK, so it's just like a lot.

[01:45:10] You know, it's like scene after scene. It's like, oh, the hostile takeover is happening. Oh, she's trying to run it off. Oh, Miranda's diffused it by moving her French rival to this one. It's at the Met Ball. Yeah, you see it for a second.

[01:45:22] She's like, oh, she hates her. She runs French runway. I mean, there have always been rumors. There was like a there was definitely a moment where the Fetter French Vogue was considered to be like horning it on Anna Wintour territory. I think that is that is inspired.

[01:45:34] Well cast. She looks like. Was that John Julia Buck in real life? Is that who that's meant to be? No, it's Korean road felt. OK. Yeah. Sure. I just got romped famously. So the rumor was always that like

[01:45:47] fashion people were told, don't you dare Camille in this movie? Like that's like a hit on Anna Wintour. And there are not a ton like Valentino's in it. Right, right. I think Heidi Klum shows up for a second.

[01:45:58] Like there's not a lot of like big it's not like Zoolander. You know what? I love the Valentino does, which is like so like real fashion designer. And I guarantee you this wasn't written dialogue. This was them being like, hey, Valentino talk to them.

[01:46:11] Yeah, just chat for a second. Right. When he meets Andy, she goes like, hi, this is Andy, my new Emily. And he goes, oh, did you love the show? The like presumptive, like I'm not going to ask you what your thought.

[01:46:22] I'm going to ask you if you loved it or not is very fashion to me. Now that was good. Yeah. So which of my pieces was your favorite? You know, like I assume that you respect what I did already. According to Wikipedia, Ivanka Trump is in this movie.

[01:46:35] I didn't spot her. I didn't either. No. Anyway. So but like so the Paris thing just feels very sudden. Oh, you know why you didn't see her because she thinks the way that she could help the movie the most

[01:46:47] is to sort of like stay in the shadows and just be a quiet ally. It's just like you don't see her in the commentary. You don't see her in the movie, but she's actually fighting really hard for like the right things in the movie.

[01:46:57] Like anything that's good in the movie actually is her responsibility and anything that's bad in the movie. She was like telling them not to do. She believes in all the right. Yes. Great. But she didn't want the credit. Thank you. She just wanted to spend a little political.

[01:47:10] He did it. Five political commentary points. Thank you. Uh, yeah. What do we have to say? I mean, why she sleeps with Simon Baker. I'd sleep with him, but like he's never really a threat. No, I don't like it when he's walking around shirtless.

[01:47:25] He's a little too confident. His torso is a little weird. Yeah, exactly. Can I also say his first scene in the movie and this is struck me every time I've watched it. Just his first scene, just when they meet at the first party.

[01:47:34] Sure. His eyebrows are too yellow. I really didn't know. He does have his eyebrows are weirdly blonde. He's Australian. I think it's like yes. I'm a baker. Yeah. He's got the sun. He actually has a very good. He sort of looks like the lion from Wizard of Oz.

[01:47:49] Yes, he does. He's got that vibe. Yes, he does. But I think his eyebrows are less yellow in every other scene. It's just that first scene. I don't know. Maybe it's always bugged me. I don't know what's going on there. But she sleeps with him.

[01:48:02] He reveals to her that he's known about this takeover the entire time they're going to be head of editorial. And sure. OK, I think he really gives her too much way too much way reveals his plan very quickly. And it's also like Miranda's assistant.

[01:48:17] Right. And he does it like, yeah, of course. What do you expect? Yeah, he doesn't do the like, oh, shit, you've caught me. And he also doesn't do my lockup of the new runway. Right. That I had. Right. I have this this Styrofoam poster board

[01:48:30] in my knapsack and my rucksack. Along with 40 other scarves. Right. Yeah. But but like the two obvious versions of this scene are either that like, oh, shit, fuck, you caught me. OK, well, now that I'm back in the corner, I got to tell you

[01:48:43] I'm part of this thing. Or the other version is, hey, baby, that's how it works. Like I've been using you the entire time. You don't think I've been juicing you for info? Sure. But they don't do either.

[01:48:53] It's more just like, oh, yeah, this is how the business works. Casual. Yeah. I just I casually suck. And then she goes into like, OK, into shit. High stakes. I got to save. But that's all pointless. But we should mention that there is also the scene

[01:49:09] where Miranda announces the divorce to her and she's the other no makeup on no makeup. She's a little bleary eyes. Sounded at the eyes. Yeah. And she's talking about how there goes the dragon ladies right about her. Right. Yeah, that was good. It's that's the scene you won't.

[01:49:23] That's really the only scene you need. You don't really need this. And the second you see that scene, you're like, fuck the book scene. Yeah, fuck the book. Just get it out of there. Yeah. But that's like that's the sort of that's the scene that elevated

[01:49:40] street from like Oscar nominee to like almost one. Agreed. That's the scene that adds like the attic and the basement onto the house and really deepens the whole thing. That's the basement. You know, well, well, right? Do you know what I'm saying? Well put.

[01:49:56] I agree. A finished basement. To finish base. It finishes the basement. Yes. And then she portrays Tucci. That's the final that's the final thing we have to see. That's that's the shiven to decide where he tells Andy the news. He pours at the champagne.

[01:50:12] That's a great job in that scene. Yes, where he's very excited. And now he's just like a little boy exactly. And he has that thing where he looks out the window and he's like, oh my God, I get to make my own decisions of my life again.

[01:50:21] I get to go to Paris and actually be in Paris. Like the whole cool steely like hold demeanor is dropped. He's just a giddy little boy. It's like, this is why I want to do my entire career. Sure.

[01:50:32] That's that's the Shakespearean tragedy in the middle of this story. Is that she throws his body on the grenade? Basically, it's like, OK. Analyzing this movie, you do realize there are like 18 different plot lines. A lot of plot lines.

[01:50:44] And no, like the only through plot line is like, will Andy be corrupted by the world of fashion media? Yeah. And then at the end, it's like, no. Yeah, she'll be all right. Because the end of the movie is she quits out raged at this betrayal. Right.

[01:50:59] And goes and gets a job in a newspaper. And Miranda gives her a good recommendation, which she had never done before. But also one thing that I find a little annoying just because I wish that she

[01:51:09] would stay at runway, but when she's like, she kind of writes off the fact that she left when she's like, I don't know why I did that. Or she says something to the interviewee where she's like, she's like kind of screwed it up at the end or whatever.

[01:51:20] Exactly. And it's like, do you regret not staying at one? Sure. Yeah, she's because she seems so confident in her decision when it's happening. True. She throws her phone in the fountain. And it's so a thing. Which is littering. PS throwing a fucking phone in the family. Yeah.

[01:51:36] That was a little bad. Yeah. And also it's not like that was just her work phone. No, that's true. It's just her like phone. It's like a sidekick or something. This is the phone. The razor becomes the hot phone before when this movie comes out,

[01:51:46] that's not a phone people can own. The razor. Yeah. The razor was designed for this movie. Yeah. I really wanted a sidekick. She has a sidekick. She has a sidekick. And Hathaway has a sidekick. I got a razor, I think as a lot of people did.

[01:52:00] It was a popular phone. No, I really wanted a sidekick. It's crazy to think that I used that thing. They were so horribly disliked. I almost bought a sidekick on eBay. Because it's the long trade. You almost bought a sidekick on eBay recently? No, no.

[01:52:11] I like went around this time because AT&T didn't sell sidekicks. So I tried to do this whole thing where you got unlocked sidekicks. When you were like nine? Yeah. So that was the thing. Hot movies. They would be like, new cell phone or phone. Yeah.

[01:52:24] But it's not anymore. I mean, I haven't seen like an iPhone. Now it's just iPhone models. Now the difference is... There's probably some movie where someone has like a galaxy note. I don't know. And then you'd probably watch it and be like, really? Yeah, exactly.

[01:52:34] Like there was Android. What did I just see where someone had a Windows phone? And I was like, they wouldn't have a Windows phone. Well, it's like, you know how Sony movies always work Sony products into them? Sure. Right, right. So like famously in The Amazing Spider-Man,

[01:52:46] when Spider-Man is trying to solve a case, figure out who the lizard is. Right. He keeps on binging it. He keeps on using Microsoft Bing. So I was just like Peter Parker wouldn't use Bing. I don't remember what movie I watched,

[01:52:58] but I watched a movie the other day and the main character had a type of car that they wouldn't drive if the movie was realistic. Thoroughly given the money. And then they put the name of the car on the car. Hey man, that's money.

[01:53:12] And I was like that would never... Like that is just... Yeah, but that was like 15% of the budget. Exactly. They, all right. I really want to play the box office game because I didn't know about this weekend. I remember this weekend vividly. Right, I didn't know about it.

[01:53:24] It's a great weekend, but is there anything else about the Devil Wars product that we have not covered? I mean, is there... Rom, is there anything? I mean just a smile at the end. Smile at the end, right. Of course, last scene is Andy's seas Miranda

[01:53:37] across the street. Yeah. Also one thing I will say and this will close out is that when at the end they... It's a very conscious choice to dress for the way they do because she's not poorly dressed. She's clearly not working for a fashion magazine. Yeah, right.

[01:53:52] And she gives her clothes to Emily. But then Grenet is like you're wearing that and it's like that outfit is really... Like if you go back to what she wore in the beginning like that outfit's wildly fashionable. She looks like a movie star. Yeah, she does.

[01:54:03] But she does give Emily her surplus Paris Fashion Week clothes as a piece offer. Unless the best. Big shoes to fill. Yeah, you have big shoes to fill. She's just some poor scared lady. Yes. I hope you know that.

[01:54:13] What I was going to say, one thing I give this movie credit for doing is not having Andy write the divorce product at the end. Oh, that's so... Right? Because they could have done that. Because then she would seem like a petty... Also agree. Yes.

[01:54:29] If they did that I can promise you I would not have seen it 10 times. Yeah, no the movie would have left a really bad taste in your mouth if that's how it ended. Right. So... Because the movie is better than Lauren Weisberger in that. Yeah it is.

[01:54:41] She doesn't like grind. And I've never even thought that she writes it. Right. Like never comes into my mind. Right, which I think is the smartest choice this movie makes. The single smartest choice. Yeah. Okay, box office game. So I had been going to the same summer camp

[01:54:56] for years and years and years. And we've talked about it. And then worked there for a little while and this was like the first summer in like eight or nine years that I hadn't gone there. Whatever it was. July 4th weekend 2006.

[01:55:05] So in the first summer five years I had gone there. Sure, sure. And I went to Paris, Vermont the mother land where our mother is from. Sure, Gay Perry. To stay with her childhood friends. When I was in Paris in high school,

[01:55:19] when I would go there I would stay with her high school ex-boyfriend. Your mother's high school ex-boyfriend? And his family. And I always thought that the wife in the family was my mom's friend and that he was just... Me too. I didn't realize...

[01:55:30] Oh you didn't put it together later. No, no, no, no. Yeah. And then I would like, they had like two teenage daughters and I would hang out with them when I was there and then they would like, when they introduced me to friends be like, it's weird.

[01:55:40] It's like we could have been siblings in a different world. Yeah, they... And I was like, what? Except I had to pretend like, yes I've known this all along. They stayed at our house in New York and they were like, oh well we could have been sisters.

[01:55:50] And I was like, I don't understand. Yeah. So I was living for a month with my mother's high school boyfriend. Absolutely. Not even high school, it was like... They were together for a long time. They didn't propose to her. I didn't know that. Are you kidding me?

[01:56:02] Yeah, she said no though. It's good that we're getting Griffin Mom talk because it's usually Griffin Dad talk. Our mom's... Our mom's crazy. We're about to say fuck talk. No, no, no, no. I'm just saying like... No, no, no, no. There's a lot of stuff there. No, no.

[01:56:12] The thing about our mom is that we're constantly... Every day it's like, wait, you were a ballerina dancer in Russia? That's an example I always throw out. There's a lot of it. There's a lot of stuff that our mom doesn't tell us.

[01:56:23] Yes, she was a ballerina dancer in Russia and I've never seen her dance in my entire life. Like I've never seen her dance at a party or anything. I don't know if that's true but I just threw that out. But there are things like that all the time.

[01:56:30] I'm never telling me that. I know she did Shakespeare in Russia at some point. When she spoke Russian and lived there... No, our mom has lived like 18 lives. Sure. She just... And most of them are secret. Right. So that's why this is unsurprising and funny. Right.

[01:56:44] But so I was... So you were in Gay Ferry. I was living with them. So it was like this one summer I was kind of like disconnected with American movies in a way and I was watching the box-offs very closely from afar

[01:56:56] and I had gone to see a screening. I was like so amped for the movie that was number one the weekend. The Devil Wars product came out. It was my most anticipated movie of the summer. Mine too. It was called Superman Returns. Correct. And... Brian Singer film.

[01:57:09] I knew I was going to Paris. It wasn't coming out in France until like a month or two later because this was still... It was back in the day before the global rollout. Right. So we all went to go see that as a family

[01:57:18] because I worked every angle I could to like get a screening before I went away to France and thought that it was going to be the movie of the summer. It's a wonderful movie. A movie I really liked. Yep. A movie that would be a masterpiece

[01:57:31] if you changed one piece of casting, which we've talked about. We disagree but go ahead. Wait, do we? Who is it? Rachel McCam's should have played Lois Lane. I mean that's good casting. But anyway, I like Kate Bosworth. I like Kate Bosworth in that movie. Yeah.

[01:57:45] One of my hottest take. I think she's bad at that movie. But I like that movie a lot. And then the opening weekend of this film... Right. This movie I think was intended just as like easy counter-programming to what was going to be the obvious juggernaut.

[01:58:00] Everyone was like assuming I returned to... And it did a lot better and Superman Returns didn't do quite as well. And people were like, oh, it siphons some of the money away from Superman. Because Superman Returns opens on July 4th weekend. So five-day weekend to $76 million.

[01:58:13] It's a lot of money. Yes. Devil Wears product opens to 40, which is a huge... Its budget was 35. So it like in an opening weekend it out, does its budget. That's humongous because even the biggest estimates at the time were like this might break out.

[01:58:26] It might do 25 opening weekend. And then it opens to 40. Yeah, it makes 124 domestic, a 325 total worldwide. A lot of money. A lot of money. And I read an interview with Brian Singer recently where they asked him to assess Superman Returns and what he thinks went wrong there

[01:58:44] in terms at least of public reception and box office, which weird thing to think about. Superman Returns made almost the exact same amount as Batman Begins. Sure. Like they both made like 200 on the nugget. Batman Begins there was a demand and then the second one blew up.

[01:58:57] Superman Returns they kept on debating whether or not to do another one for years but it just wasn't the same story. We'll do that movie someday. I mean that movie has a very weird pitch. Agreed. Part of the weird pitch he said was,

[01:59:08] he said I thought if you could marry a superhero movie to a romantic comedy, make a superhero movie, not a romantic comedy, romantic drama. A romance, yes. If you could invest a superhero movie with real romance that it would be bigger,

[01:59:19] it would be like the Titanic of superhero movies and you'd get a female audience in a way you had for other superhero films. And he said the problem was women just wanted to see Devil Wars Prada instead. Yeah. Sorry Brian. Also you did a weird job with that.

[01:59:32] Agreed. In my opinion. That's the weakest part of the movie. It's interesting but it's definitely not a romance like in the conventional terms. But that was his goal and then Devil Wars Prada, like he thought oh I'll make a movie that like crosses the aisle. Sure.

[01:59:45] And instead every woman was like this is our fucking Superman. I mean that movie's yeah, yeah. Yeah. Devil Wars Prada is a huge surprise hit. Okay so that's number two. What's number three though? It's a fantasy comedy sort of. It's a fantasy.

[02:00:02] But it's a grounded real world comedy with a fantasy element. Starring one of the big stars of comedy. Of the- Click. Yes. Click. Click. Adam Sandler gets a remote control. That's really bad. With which to control his terrible movie. My first guess was gonna be click

[02:00:20] and then you said grounded. Well but you know what I mean? It's just about a fucking guy. Yeah right. Frank Karachi. Frank Karachi who you've worked with. I just worked with him. 137 domestic that movie makes. Yeah big hit. Big hit. Makes more than Devil Wars Prada.

[02:00:35] Yeah that's crazy to think about. Great scene where Terry Crews lip syncs to a song and he mutes him. The crazy thing is Devil Wars Prada we're still talking about no one talks about it. Yeah. People don't talk as much about click. People talk about click? No.

[02:00:49] Number four is a silly baby movie that I'm sure you saw. Cars? Yeah. I thought it was good. Well you were the right age. I think it still has its qualities. Yeah but you don't like cars two or three. I think cars two is garbage.

[02:01:05] I think cars three is one of the most movies ever made. It's like fine. Cars three is so aggressively fine. Isn't that kind of what cars is? Cars is pretty aggressively fine. The first cars has some substantial. It's a very stupid plot line. The world building is terrible.

[02:01:23] I think cars one has elements that feel like full Pixar power. I agree. Like there are characters, there are scenes, there are themes. There are moments where I'm like this is Pixar fighting at full power. And then there's stuff that's dumb.

[02:01:37] Cars three feels like a solid DreamWorks movie. Yeah right. Like it feels like a double. It's not bad but it's like fine. It's got one moment that's kind of effective. Cars two is a garbage fire. Number five is a comedy.

[02:01:52] That has been said I saw cars four times in theater. This summer I saw it four. I remember seeing it again. You're outrageous. I remember seeing it again in France because I wanted to see how well it translated. How well did it translate?

[02:02:03] The character's name is Flash McQueen in French. Thank you. Flash McQueen. Cachow. Number five is a comedy that is a followup to one of the biggest, like the director's followup to one of the biggest comedy hits. Not in terms of money made but in terms of impact. Interesting.

[02:02:21] It actually was kind of a hit. It certainly out grossed its budget by many times. But it wasn't as big as the previous film. I think it's more of like a weird niche movie that some people really love. Fuck. Big comedy director.

[02:02:34] Does it have a big comedy star in it? Yes. Had he worked with that star before, was this a team? No, this was his second movie as far as I know. His first movie's like a little indie movie. This is a movie that I really like

[02:02:44] that I think is really good that has stood the test of time. I think it's far better than his original film. It's called Natural Libre starring Jack Black. Correct. I think it's a secret little masterpiece. Just because of you. It's Griffin. Nice to see the movies.

[02:02:58] We used to go see movies a lot. Natural Libre, which made 80 million dollars. It's just the fact that I saw Natural Libre in theaters. That's why I saw it. Yeah, I saw it. Yeah. I saw it there. I think it was really good.

[02:03:08] It was a really big hit. And then he like, I feel like people forget that movie was successful. Yeah, they think of it as a flop, but it wasn't. They think it was like a one hit wonder kind of guide. Jared Hess. Jared Hess who then made

[02:03:21] German Broncos. German Broncos, which was a flop out. Yeah. And then Masterminds. Right. And he did another one that barely came out too. Yeah, he did. He did a lot on Vergin. Yeah, never heard of it. Right. Other movies, you got The Lake House, Keanu and Sandra,

[02:03:35] Reunited, but they don't get to spend much time together. You got Fast and Furious, Tokyo Drift. Good movie. Great movie. You got something called Waste Deep. Never heard of this. Never heard of that? Oh, oh, is that a... Let's see, we got Tyrese. A Tyrese vehicle? Yes.

[02:03:49] And the game I believe is in it, Megan Good. I remember that movie. There, Vondie Curtis Hall picture, director of Glitter. Oh, hey. Good actor. Good great actor. The breakup is in there. The Da Vinci Code. Breakup's good. The movie that I think is.

[02:04:03] Oh, that's a good movie. Payton Reed's good. Good director. A lot of movies that I saw in college, like what I think of when I think of the breakup, Da Vinci Code, X-Men 3, Garfield, The Tale of Two Kitties. I didn't see that. You got to be in that.

[02:04:18] I didn't see that one. I didn't see that one. You know, he came out with the follow up. Garfield? Oh no, Inconvenient Truth. There's a new one. Yeah, an Inconvenient sequel. Ha ha. I thought there was a joke coming, but then there was.

[02:04:33] I don't want to spoil the end of it, but I know that. You can spoil it. Spoiler alert. Where fuck? All right. Well, that's the end of the box office game. Great. It gets two Oscar nominations, it loses both of them.

[02:04:46] What did it lose costume suit or did it win costume? No, it lost, right? I can tell you. 2006 might have been. Yeah, you want to pick? That's the year Departed wins best picture. It wasn't that departed. Right. Sure as an unfortunate events was nominated, but didn't win, right?

[02:05:02] No, it was not. I think it was not made for production design. Okay. It's a good winner actually. So the nominees are the Queen, another contemporary. Right, Queen doesn't win. Dream Girls. So good. Devil Wears Prada, Dream Girls got crazy costumes, Curse of the Golden Flower,

[02:05:17] which is a wild nominee. And then Marie-Anne Chouinette is the winner, which has very elaborate costuming by Milena Quedinera. I will say when I saw Dream Girls with Ram later this year, and Dream Girls has definitely faded in your heart more than Devil Wears Prada, which has stayed.

[02:05:33] I still listen to the soundtrack sometimes when I get ready. Nonstop. It's my number one karaoke go to. Listen. But what should we call it? After the end I'm telling you I'm not going number, when it's like, boom, boom, boom. And it's like the big musical there

[02:05:49] and the whole audience starts applauding. The second the music cut out, Ram turned to me. What did I do? Eight years old and her eyes are open wide and she goes, this is the best movie I've ever seen my entire life. You were like breathless.

[02:06:04] Like, this is the best movie I've ever seen my entire life. I did that when Donald Gleason goes to Russia, to the countryside in Anakarenita and they pull aside the curtain. You said this is the best movie I've ever seen. I went to Joey and I said

[02:06:19] this is the greatest movie I've ever seen. Isn't that a weird thing to do? Yeah, that's a weird thing to do. Especially when you're not eight. Yeah, I wasn't eight, I was like 24. Ram, people should follow you on social media. Not your Finsta account,

[02:06:32] not your fake account that I'm blocked from seeing. I'll re... I know, because here's the thing, I'm always like, oh, some of this stuff is really funny, Griffin will appreciate it. And then I start posting things and I'm like, I don't know if Griffin should know about this.

[02:06:45] But I mean, first of all- Is this your private account for- Yeah, it's my Finsta. Yes, yes. But on- I've never heard of Finsta. I don't know what that is. It's such a thing. Oh, wait. I'm so old and- But yes, I have a food blog

[02:06:58] which I'm quite proud of. Maybe not as proud as my Finsta, but it's up there. RomleyNamen.com is the place to go. It's a really smart name, thought of it myself. And your name on Twitter and Instagram. If you wanna follow ya. Food by Romley?

[02:07:12] I don't really tweet, so I'm not even gonna put that out there, but Food by Romley, if you like to see good food and- Both pictures of food you eat and food you make. Right. I think you have a good balance of the two. Yes.

[02:07:26] Sometimes I feel like I need more clarification because I feel like people think I'm a better chef than I am, because they think all the pictures- Oh, sure, sure. But- Well, you know, you're not being dishonest. No, I put the- I never say I made this. Right, right.

[02:07:38] You're curating. I'm curating. Curating. Where to go and what to do. Yeah. Um, yeah. Uh, yes. I did get a rare Romley fave yesterday when I just tweeted Stanley Tucci at Perfect. Well, yeah, because I- I was in the same boat. No, no, I mean, I agree.

[02:07:55] Stanley Tucci. Agreed. But yes, I feel like you're not a big on Twitter. I'm not. You're a Twitter lurker. Used to be bigger. I think you had your period where you were into it. I love this cold pressed juice. Yeah.

[02:08:07] Now people don't know if you like cold pressed juice or not. They never know. We'll never know. Well, thank you so much for being here, Romley. And on our dumb podcast, Romley. It's so great. Yeah. Um, have fun having redditors discuss all of your opinions now.

[02:08:21] Oh, my God. You get sucked into it. I forget how popular it is. So popular. Yeah. Uh, I think we're the number one podcast, right? Uh, yeah. We recently became number one. The Throne Cereal. Um, we're number one. Yeah.

[02:08:36] Cereal's going to release a new season about how great we are and how we beat their ass and like just dump them in the garbage. Which is crazy because they were the first podcast. It was. It was no podcast, no podcast, no podcast, cereal. That's how it worked.

[02:08:47] Right. Do you remember that this started out as a parody? As a cereal parody? Yeah. Yeah, no, I remember. I will never forget. Dun, dun, dun, dun. Remember that we had the cereal music. I remember having a listen to it a lot. Yeah. Yeah.

[02:08:58] I helped make that mash up. You're a good boy. I am a good boy. You're a real good boy, Benny. Yep. Uh, so join us next week for her Catherine Bigelow. Yeah, I guess we're breaking off a Bigelow, right? Do we have a name?

[02:09:09] Uh, uh, zero pod casting? Zero pod 30. Pod zero. Pado, poddo, dark casting. The pod lock cast. Oh boy. Uh, P19. The pod of casting. That's a, yeah. Yeah, pod 19, the widow caster or variations there and I've seen that. Yeah. You know, K. Well, that's a fair something out.

[02:09:39] We're going to have to figure something out fast. Stay tuned for that. Strange podcasting. Yeah. Yes. Stay tuned for that. Whatever it's called. Yeah, it's going to be the loveless. Yeah, that's what you get next week.

[02:09:52] We'll be discussing the loveless available on Amazon Prime last I checked great company. Willem Defoe Jeff Bezos did just lower the prices at Whole Foods. I can get a cheap avocado. Yeah, he did. Get myself a cheap Kato hell.

[02:10:05] Yeah, unfortunately he also lowered my salary for season two of the tech. Oh, did he? Are you announcing season two right now? Yeah, he said, they said we're going to cut down Whole Foods prices. Unfortunately that money. They were like good news and bad news.

[02:10:17] Good news and bad news. Number one, good news. Avocados two bucks. Yeah. They, they. Bosch got a raise though. So you and Bosch were in the same meeting. They like gathered all the stars like was Mozart in the jungle there. Yeah.

[02:10:32] Do you know the tights well over a collection of figures? I saw a video recently. Huh? Tice well over will be one of the guests on my new podcast toy boys. You're not allowed to have another podcast.

[02:10:41] Not allowed to have another podcast until we are no longer week to week. Tune in next week for toy boys with special guest Tice well over. Yeah, we should make. Yeah. No bonus episode of Nolan yet. We should say right? Uh, yeah, we might do one.

[02:10:59] Look, it's scheduling. It's been really tough. It might drag me to six flags at some point. Yeah, it just might be a delayed thing, but people will be happy whenever the fuck we do that. Right.

[02:11:09] At that point, that might be more of like one of our DC episodes than specifically in Nolan episode that might be a general kind of state of the union DC mini series check-in. Great. We're doing this disjointed long form DC mini series spread across years. Yeah. All right.

[02:11:25] Yeah. No good job everybody. Hopefully they'll announce a Joker movie by then I'd really love to see a movie about the Joker. No, I don't think they think that's bankable. Yeah. By the way, we're recording this in May of 2012. Okay. So thank you all for listening.

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