The Iron Giant

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[00:01:09] Hello everybody, my name is Griffin Newman I'm David Sims We are hashtagged The Two Friends at Compendant Avenge No other podcast has it going for it And today we're gonna talk about a movie that has two friends in it And they don't must be stepping our territory

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[00:01:38] There have been tons of fucking friends in movies That's why we gotta stick to the podcast Hoping Crosby? True They were the original Two Friends Which one am I? I'm Hope You're Crosby Yes, right What are some other faves? Like Abbot and Costello? Uh, sure

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[00:03:53] You're a Woody, I'm Jesse I'm Woody You're definitely Woody For sure, there's no question about that I think you're Buzz I don't think I'm Buzz No, you're not quite That's a hard one No, because Ben's got that buzz Like I just landed here Sure, sure To go Britain

[00:04:08] Ben's always riding hot wheels To go British I am Morkham and your wife Jesus fucking Christ I'm of course my wife Fucking Christ I'm of course Mork, you are Mindy Ben is our child played by Jonathan Winters All true Take that John, winter's sunny Yeah Yeah, I'm Saunders

[00:04:27] You're French Sure, you're Ginger I'm Rocky Okay From Chicken Run I'm Sunny, you're Cher What are some? I feel like there's a really You're the blowfish No, I'm a hoodie I'm a hoodie Take that back Why are we starting this? It's a little late

[00:04:48] This is a new mini-series Alright, okay It's a bright tomorrow Yeah, we just spent, I would say 20 minutes Discussing the title of this mini-series And we haven't even gotten it out yet A bright tomorrow lands Right Because Talk about the films of Bradford That's right

[00:05:02] Our first animator we've discussed That's right He's done live action too Yeah But we're gonna discuss Four animated movies Boom We'd never, well I guess the Clone Wars But apart from that Tintin Sure But more so than ever We're gonna be talking tunes, baby Oh boy

[00:05:18] And how do you direct animation? What do you mean by that? Like what does he go in the room? He's like you draw faster Hey, more green there Wow, Ben, I think Disney's interested In bringing you into the Magic Kingdom You really spoke with authority there

[00:05:33] Hey, that guy Make his arm move a little bit faster Or something This is great stuff Is this right? Is this what he does? We'll get into this Sure, we'll get into this There are more trees there It's a different kind of job Yes Obviously there's crossover

[00:05:49] Because many animators have crossed over Into live action Much like Bradford But often not successfully But this film Bradford took some different approaches To how animation had been directed Which film? Oh the film is called The Iron Giant As the movie we're discussing today

[00:06:05] We've done everything out of order And we've done everything Discussing today We've done everything out of order Today we're discussing the Iron Giant What is the name of the mini series? The name of the mini series, of course I'm sure you all have guessed it

[00:06:14] Is Pada Tui Ghost Protocast That is not what it's called It's called Pada Tui Colon Ghost Protocast No, you know what the title is The Podcastibles And like we can't do the bit again Too many series in a row Where you disagree Because the Podcastibles was your title

[00:06:30] Yeah My title was The Podcreditcasts Right Which is great A little sweaty Mine is Podcreditcast Podmorrow Castlands Which I liked Which I would think everyone liked I think everyone liked Went over well in the room Tested More of a 10%er Well, this movie tested through the room

[00:06:48] It did But still bounced But we're calling it The Podcastibles That is the name of the mini series And this is one of those mini series We love it when we get to do this Where you get to sync up With a new film That's right, yes

[00:07:03] We get to end this mini series With a topical release That's right That was part of the idea We've talked about doing birds Since the practically beginning Of this podcast And we're always like Should we wait for Incredibles Should we wait for Incredibles too It was far off

[00:07:15] The movie got pushed up a year It did It was first going to happen in 2019 Yeah Which rarely happens in animation Is a show of confidence That they pushed up a year Which is also what happened with The original Incredibles So excited to see that

[00:07:32] We are of course recording This mini series in advance So it is currently 1935 That's right Hello We're on the wireless But you will hear it straight through And we'll be watching them In the weeks leading up to Incredibles Even though we're making references To Den of Thieves Yes

[00:07:48] Or whatever And they've only just announced The voice cast for Incredibles To today Yeah So I felt like That was all already known I guess they just made it official Odin Kirk and Keenor Are known, the rest were not Well, like Sophia Bush And a big one

[00:08:01] Jonathan Banks Replacing But lucky Who is he? Animation legend I know So maybe it's just a more Of a part I don't know I don't know We'll get to that He's also chuckles the clown And TS Tua Maybe you heard of it TS Tua Thankfully, we're not going

[00:08:18] To be talking Toy Story On this podcast Ever It's not going to come up I'm going to just spit My orange juice out in your face How dare you Glad you didn't do that How dare you The most existential Of the American film Trilogy I would literally

[00:08:31] If we did that episode I would hit record And just leave And just leave For the night And then come back And you guys would still be in here Sweating Yelling at each other He would be in here I would be like Dead by my own hand

[00:08:45] Also, we'd have to do Three of them Three Oh, God It would just be like There'd be like feces On the wall or whatever Griffin started a new society This sounds great I don't know why you guys Don't know me That sounds lovely Okay, so Brad Bird

[00:09:09] A bit of an interesting story Because it takes him a while To make his first film This film This film This film The Iron Giant The Iron Giant It was one of the guys Who kept on coming close To making a feature

[00:09:24] For a very long period of time I asked you right before We recorded If you had watched A giant's dream Which is A documentary On the Blu-ray For the Iron Giant If I have, I don't remember I have the Blu-ray there So I will go watch it

[00:09:37] It is fascinating I believe it is Directed by Michael Giacchino's son What's his name? Jason Giacchino I also always get that name It's not Giacchino, right? I always get it wrong Well, I mean That's how I would say it But is that wrong?

[00:09:53] I feel like I'm always corrected Every time I bring them up Giacchino Yeah, probably Okay, whatever It is a fascinating documentary Because it is So honest with The frustration That many people had Working at Bradford He seems to be A very demanding Man With very particular Ideas

[00:10:18] Skills and information For people like him Rigid, right? He has rigid ideas Of what he wants out of his movie But unfortunately He's making an animated movie Which requires more than one person To make it Right And sometimes those two things Can come into conflict

[00:10:33] And sometimes they bounce baby And But he's not one of these guys Who then feels the need to like Control his legacy And try to make it seem Not at all He's pretty upfront about How intense he is His line I don't think he has this problem

[00:10:46] As much in live action filmmaking I think it's more in the animation world Like I think that has to do with Production differences Which Maybe We will get into But I mean like Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol You never heard a peep out of anyone being Like

[00:11:01] Oh wow what a tortured shoot No but Tom Cruise is kind of The Brad Bird of actors True, but hey They work, they collaborated beautifully Yes So the Brad Bird has this line That I repeat a lot When I'm like On difficult sets Okay And people go like

[00:11:17] How are you holding up I always repeat this Brad Bird mantra Which is pain is temporary Film is forever Sure Which is super aggro Right But I get that where it's like Look this might be horrible now But if we make a great movie

[00:11:30] People can watch it anytime forever And also If you compromise on something Oh boy Because it was difficult Yeah Are you then going to like Go to every screening of that movie ever And say like Hey look it was kind of cold that day

[00:11:44] We only want to do two takes Sure Right Like you gotta live with that film For the rest of your life Yeah And it's better to have Unless you're George Lucas Yeah Right, yeah Better to have that thing Be as good as it can be And so

[00:11:58] As good as it gets You want to be as good as it gets As positive as it has As bad as it has it We're gonna try things out Over the course of this episode We're recording like Seven miniseries in advance And so we don't have time

[00:12:11] To even field test things With our listeners Yup We're sorry guys But it's all for you It is literally all for you Yeah Otherwise You can have fun Not having a podcast Yeah This is all for you guys But that's like his big sort of adage

[00:12:25] So here's the Brad Bird Like kind of origin story, okay Oh I love this origin story I've written about it on theAtlantic.com Right Grows up Fairly large family Montana Goes to see Jungle Book Sure Had been a fan of MMA movies Right Prior to that

[00:12:43] He was born in 1957 Sure I think pretty traditional Suburban upbringing Well in Montana though Yes So you know It's out there Dry Sure Yes But he goes to see Jungle Book Which came out in 1967 So I guess that he was about 10 years old

[00:12:59] Which is also my first movie I saw in theaters I'm not saying this was his first movie But just I want to restate that That was your first movie Like one of those re-releases I saw that re-release At the quad At the quad

[00:13:09] I was one and a half years old Oh so you don't remember that I remember it vividly Yeah full of shit We've already thought about this On the show Did we? Yup Which episode? Because it came up in the box office game Uh huh

[00:13:21] And he said you were a year and a half years old You wouldn't remember that And then I went to see Margaret at the quad with my mother And she said you know This is where I took your first movie And I said memory confirmed Uh okay Anyway

[00:13:34] He sees the Jungle Book Loves it And something clicks in him And he goes how do I How do they do that? His parents go well They draw And he shrungs a little different Sure Animation He goes no how do I get to the point

[00:13:46] Where I can do that Buy some paper Starts animating Are you like 10 years old, 12 years old? Well I do want I'm going to look up the exact editor Because I replicated it in my story So when he was 11 He went to Walt Disney World In Florida Right

[00:14:05] And he said I want to be an animator Uh huh And the Milt Call I believe one of the nine old men Who are the legendary old Disney animators Who he routinely makes homage to in his movies Uh met him when he was 11 And was like sure

[00:14:27] Okay you want to be an animator Like patting him on the head or whatever Yeah you'll grow out of it You're not going to have the stamina to take Right and he was like no You don't understand I want to be an animator

[00:14:36] He seemingly was the most intense kid I think he actually talked about this In one of his Oscar speeches But anyway Yes And then he came back two years later With a completed animated film Called The Taurus in the Hair

[00:14:47] He did a retelling of The Taurus in the Hair Which you see large sections of on this thing And it's pretty like It's pretty impressive And it's like very much drawn by a 12 year old But there is like a prodigious sense of Character animation within it

[00:15:00] And Milt Call was so impressed That he like decided to properly mentor this kid Like and give him notes And teach him how to animate Walt Disney Animation gave him an internship He was 14 years old Crazy They had never given an internship To a high school student before

[00:15:17] But they kind of went Oh this is the kid This is going to be the guy So they kind of Annoyed him bring him in He interns there under the nine old men And they all are these very exact things Right They came up in

[00:15:33] When Disney was like a factory And you had to like get shit right Like well, you know You had to work with precision Right and they're not like, you know Have you heard of the nine old men Ben? No They were like the nine classic Disney animators

[00:15:48] Who worked on all the great films Frank and Ollie are the two most famous ones Yes They had been around forever basically They refined the 12 basic principles of animation Yes Squash and stretch Anticipation Staging Straight ahead action and post-apose Follow through an overlapping action

[00:16:08] Slow in and slow out Arc's secondary action Timing exaggeration Solid drawing and appeal I don't know what any of that means When does Goofy come into the picture? Okay, so Goofy's off to the side right now He's the 10th Nine old men and one like dog man

[00:16:23] What is Goofy? He's a dog, right? Have I gone into my dark thing? No, I think I talked about this at Disney World with my friends Man, I don't know Let's go on a Goofy tangent I'm going to talk about this

[00:16:32] And you're probably going to want to cut this out Great, great Can it be short? Hold on, I'll just mark it Yes, mark it right now Yep We're almost definitely going to cut this out Okay But keep in the part right Jesus, just say it

[00:16:45] We will return to your schedule programming shortly But we are experiencing technical difficulties So Brad Bird, when he's 18 We're back, we cut that out Yeah Brad Bird, when he's 18 Yeah Get to scholarship from Disney To attend Cal Arts My alma mater That I dropped out of

[00:17:03] Which you dropped out of How quickly? One semester and changed Okay, so you did do one semester I did one full semester Right And then you go back for semester two And you're like, that's that? There was a big negotiation with my parents

[00:17:14] I wanted to leave after the first semester And they were like, go back And I went back and I was like, yeah I had no hard pass on this Uh-huh But he was one of the reasons I went there Interesting, sure And Tim Burton

[00:17:27] Do you know who he meets at Cal Arts And becomes longtime friends with? Who doesn't he meet at Cal Arts? Well, one person who definitely never got In any kind of like troublesome or problematic situation Someone who greeted him with a hug And a hand on the leg

[00:17:42] And a kiss on the lips It was John Lasseter Who of course is going to play a part In Brad Bird's future career But also Tim Burton is a classmate Sure, sure Also, what's his name? Ron Musker Yeah, of Disney Who directed Little Mermaid And other things

[00:18:00] I mean, his classmates are the Pixar guys The guys behind the Disney Resons You turn them into one person I'm sorry The Disney Resons guys Tim Burton is in the class Sure, I was there You were not there Oh, it's true, I wasn't I was there

[00:18:14] I had a class in A113 The famed A113 Sure It was bad, I dropped out What was the class? I think it was like a snow and art Or something like that Were you studying to be an animator in particular Or to be like a filmmaker

[00:18:30] I was studying to be a live action filmmaker Which I think was a mistake I went to this school Because of all the filmmakers I loved And I went there Almost all of whom came out of animation Right And I think it's probably still the best animation school

[00:18:41] In the world Sure, but it's maybe like UCLA's To me or USC Those are the film schools in the California Yeah, I also did want to be in college I really hated it there I'm sorry It's also, you know The school was founded by Walt Disney Sure

[00:18:58] The original idea was To create a strong animation school So that there would be a pipeline for Disney And it also would have all the other concentrations And it's this very 60s Like kind of art decoy building But it's a very small school

[00:19:13] And the whole school is in one building Sure Every class, every concentration Only 951 undergraduates It's so small Yes You got into this school I did It's a prestigious school to get into When you drop right the fuck out Yeah I'll say this though My class from my year

[00:19:31] Okay I'm a big fan of arts live action filmmaking Oh, you know everyone Danny Boyle Yeah Barry Jenkins Sure Walt Becker Barry Jenkins definitely went to NYU Right No, I'm telling you who the class was Believe me, Danny Boyle Walt Becker Barry Jenkins Griffey Nooms Roger Gosnell

[00:19:51] Director of Beverly Hills, Ottawa No, he didn't go to NYU I'm the fucking kid Come on Yeah, yeah, yeah Do comedy bits Yeah, Roger Gosnell It was hilarious Okay, listen School is very tiny It's all in one building So it's very claustrophobic

[00:20:05] And he wanted all the different concentrations To be melding together Yeah But it ends up feeling like you're living In a hermetically sealed bubble I can see that And the town Where is it? Valencia, California Which is essentially a series of Closed off housing communities And shopping malls

[00:20:19] Like strip malls Yeah Not a griffy place Not a griffy place The Valencia's town center Is what they call the main mall Which has like A street and a neighborhood Constructed around it Like the entrance of Disney World Where it's like Oh, Uncle Jeffy's chocolate shop Right

[00:20:36] It's like, wait, that's sponsored by Nestle There's no Uncle Jeffy And they're literally So you were waking people up to the bullshit? Yeah You're like, guys, there's no such thing As Uncle Jeffy What? I've always known about Uncle Jeffy He's not even an uncle

[00:20:47] I was surrounded by sheep well They literally had speakers In the grates Underneath the sidewalk And with my music Don't you want some Uncle Jeffy's Chocolate right now? There were bronze statues of families Playing together on the street Sounds great Walt Disney's a wacko

[00:21:03] Yeah, he didn't build the town center No, he did He built it with his own two bare hands Anyway, let's get back to the history of Brad Bird Before we start the discussion of his film The Iron Giant Let's talk more about why I dropped that college

[00:21:14] Alright, alright, sure Let's talk about just when colleges start in general Just when any college started Like name a college Harvard Okay Ben really had to reach for that Ben, the thing you have to know Is that at Harvard they have the statue Of the three lies

[00:21:31] Do you know about this? Ben? No, Harvard was founded in 1636 That's a long time to be a college They have a statue When you go on the tour Which I did and I don't want to brag I did not apply to Harvard

[00:21:44] Because I knew I would not get in Sure But my parents thought I was smart They were wrong But I went on the tour And there was the statue The three lies Alright, can you please tell this quickly Jesus They got this statue and they're like

[00:22:00] This is John Harvard Here's the Harvard statue The statue has three lies Do you know why? It's like one, it lists the wrong year Two, John Harvard wasn't the founder Three, that's not John Harvard Yes, this is mentioned in an episode of

[00:22:13] Gilmore Girls, that's how I know that And here's the point Yeah This is supposed to be the fucking Smarter School in the country They're feeding me bullshit Wake up, you fucking sheeple College is a joke One thing you should know Remember, Harvard, great school for everything

[00:22:27] Except statue making Terrible statue making school One of the most dishonest Statue making programs Terrible statue making program In the country So this is our worst episode ever And Welcome to our worst ever episode We've done it No, it's good I think this is great

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[00:27:22] Wow, that guy was so cool You think so? Was it just the wetness? I like vaping too So Brad Bird goes to CalArts, graduates within two years Yes He gets hired onto Disney And everyone's like, this is the kid Everyone's saying it, Jimmy Carter Right

[00:27:40] I couldn't think of anyone else from 1980 I'm telling you Brad Bird's the kid Is that Carter? I don't curse you I'm a hard one to do an impression of No, you basically had it there A cross of confidence You know, he has this

[00:27:51] That only Brad Bird can rectify Everyone's like, you're putting a lot on this 20 year old drive I have, well anyway He works on The Fox and The Hound Which is a weird Rosetta Stone movie Where like all the people who go on to revolutionize animation

[00:28:04] All worked on that movie and were miserable Yeah, well it's also when Disney animations Just in the dumps They haven't even made a movie for four years Nine old men have been pushed out the door We're all being forced to retirement Brad Bird shows up and he's like

[00:28:16] This isn't the Disney I spent my entire life Wanting to work for It's a real low point And Disney's sort of on the brink of You know, shutting down Totally And animation is like very low On their list of priorities And he is very outspoken

[00:28:30] Because he was taught by these exacting men Who trusted in him That he had to uphold a standard of quality Yes, so some of the people who worked on this movie John Lasseter John Musker Ron Clements Glenn Keen Tim Burton Henry Selick Mark Dindall

[00:28:45] Who directed The Great Empress New Groove And Brad Burb Right, so it's like literally It's the murderers' row of guys Who are all miserable working on this movie And Chris Buck Who made Surf's Up So, suck on that So yeah, he quits He tells the story very dramatically

[00:29:00] About how he goes into the office of his bosses And goes like This is bullshit This is how it can be better Why aren't we pushing ourselves? Right And they were like What are you, 19? Yeah, what the fuck Get out of here We don't care

[00:29:13] He was probably like 22 Right Then he works And they, yeah They fire him Yes For standing up to them For being so difficult For being a cog in the wheel So now he's kind of disgraced He says they literally mined Ripping the stripes off his shoulder

[00:29:30] Like it was like You were Sure, sure The kid Who was like, fuck out the door And he tells the story about how he's walking out And he turns to them And he goes Well, this has been And he pauses

[00:29:42] Because he can't think of the right word to say And they look at him and they go A disappointment Wow So it's like Pick to the door You were supposed to be the guy And now you're too difficult to make it in this industry

[00:29:52] And he's trying to find a place to land Sure And around this same time His sister Is murdered Oh, I didn't know that This is a huge part of the story Before watching this documentary His sister is Not even mentioned on that Is shot by her husband Ugh

[00:30:10] That sucks Yeah, he's very close He has many siblings Three siblings Yes Very close with the sister And it really kind of destroys him Maybe this is before or after The one thing that kind of comes with this Is Spielberg kind of takes note of him

[00:30:25] Spielberg, he worked on Amazing Stories Which was Spielberg's 80s show He directs an episode called Family Dog Which is kind of a disappointment But that episode was one of the highlights It's a good show I used to watch it when I was a kid

[00:30:36] At the time though, it was very hyped Yeah, because it was Spielberg It was a disappointment Family Dog is one of the few fully animated episodes If not the only one And it was a big hit And they actually released it in theaters Before Land Before Time

[00:30:50] Because Land Before Time was so short It is very short Very good though Yes Sharp tooth though Sharp tooth though Ducky though Okay They kind of proud foot though Isn't it Bigfoot? Whatever I think it's a proud foot Is it Littlefoot? I don't know Whatever

[00:31:08] It's the worst episode David, we can do whatever we want We've already decided This is a great movie We've already decided it's the worst episode So nothing matters anymore True Littlefoot Okay, great Congratulations Five dinosaur points So Family Dog was like a bit of an upswing

[00:31:22] And then he writes batteries not included Which is an Amblin movie Was supposed to be an episode of Amazing Stories But he expanded to future life But he's not really finding a place He starts getting thrown into these rooms But every time he gets close to something

[00:31:34] They go, he's too difficult He's too difficult Maybe, yeah I mean, he's in the TV world Yes Works for Klassky Kuspo So before that He tries to make a feature film Off of the Spirit The Will Eisner comic I'd love to see him make that

[00:31:49] But he wanted to make it Like a PG-13 action movie Right And every studio he goes to Goes, look You can't get your smart But we can't give you this money Animated movies have a cap Adults don't go see them You can't do this

[00:32:01] And he always felt very fresh That what he perceived as The limitations of what studios Think animation can be He gets so mad about it He hates the idea that There's animation Is like a subcategory Or a genre It's not a genre It's a film

[00:32:17] Right, it's a medium I made a film He gets very fussy about this On every director's commentary But he's kind of made A lot of enemies around town Just from like Look, Brad Bird, not worth it Not worth it You're never gonna get it done

[00:32:30] If you hire Brad Bird So he gets this job at Class Base Super Where he's kind of like taking his lumps And he's like An animator on the Rugrats pilot You know Then he's sort of like A director and a What's the word I'm looking for Advisor

[00:32:46] But Simpsons is the big one That he says In the depression after his sister's death Which I guess comes after Family Dog That was the one thing that kind of kept him afloat Was for eight years He was an executive consultant On the Simpsons Directs, Krusty got busted

[00:33:00] Which I think is the first great episode of the show The one that really holds up in Season 1 Like Father Like Clown Which is the one with the rabbi Which he co-directs And then he also directs The most important film of the 1990s Yeah, I enjoy it

[00:33:11] The Bartman music video Yes, he does He solely directs The Bartman music video Right But he's Rebellate a little bit Now during the 90s he's also trying to get Other films off the ground He comes very close to directing Curious George movie Yeah Doesn't happen

[00:33:29] Live action, anime and stuff Keeps him getting close to stuff Doesn't happen Well, are you going to talk about Ray Gunn? Yes, so Turner Animation Ted Turner decides That he wants to get into the animation biz Because it's the 90s Disney's had this huge renaissance

[00:33:42] They're the most profitable movies around Everyone suddenly thinks that they can do animation And none of these other studios Attempts at doing animation really work Fox comes the closest with the blue thumb But that dries up really fast Sure But Turner's getting into the game

[00:33:56] In a movie called Cats Don't Dance Which I have never seen I saw it in theaters I'm probably one of ten Yeah It's a Scott Bacchula picture Sure Kids love Scott Bacchula pictures But they bring Brad Bird in As like kind of

[00:34:09] He said that for a long time When these animation studios were starting up They bring him on Because they wanted to brag about We have Brad Bird Cats Don't Dance won the anime For best anime in the future It's pretty solid Mark Dintle directed it

[00:34:21] It's a Dintle picture Yep But they would want to go like Look, look at our roster We have Brad Bird in our bench Sure But they wouldn't actually let him do anything Right He has a script that he wrote with Mark Robbins Yep Matthew Robbins Matthew Robbins, sorry

[00:34:36] Who's the same guy who he Wrote whatchamacallit with The batteries are not included Yep And it's called Ray Gunn And it's a sci-fi noir set in the future Ben It's a future noir I'm listening Sci-fi noir about a detective named Ray Gunn Cool Yeah, it's a good name

[00:34:56] But it's kind of a hard edged Not really a kid's movie He has talked about wanting to make this movie Even now Like he brings it up Yeah And it keeps on getting close But they're not pulling the trigger And then Warner's buys Turner Right

[00:35:12] And suddenly Ray Gunn is gone And he has 30 days left on his Turner contract That are about to expire Right Warner Brothers now has their own animation studio They put all their money into Quest for Camelot A movie that everyone remembers

[00:35:24] Which they think is going to put them on the map Did you see that one? I did How was it? Not good Saw that in theaters opening weekend as well Yeah, this is So that came out in 98 Yeah Iron Man Iron Chine Comes out in 99 obviously

[00:35:37] So I'm 13 when this movie comes out Okay So I am no longer at the stage Where if there's an animated movie in theaters Like I'm there Right I would see everyone And then at the age where I was starting to become embarrassed about it

[00:35:49] Romley was all dumb to see movies So you could take her Oh, I'm just taking her It's not like I want to check out the character animation And home on the range I don't care about the craft of this thing Brother Bear

[00:35:59] Brother Bear is weirdly the one I didn't see Okay, fair enough Like maybe the only Disney film I've never seen We talked about this in some other films Okay, that's great Anyway Anyway He's got 30 days left They're trying to pick what their next movie's going to be Uh-huh

[00:36:13] And one of the things they have that they're really bullish on Because they go to Brebor and they go Look, any of these you're interested in Is The Iron Giant Right A Ted Hughes short story that he wrote

[00:36:23] To console his children after his wife Sylvia Plath committed suicide It's called The Iron Man It's a great book I used to read it all the time Excellent It's kind of classic In England It's a fable It's a huge classic in England

[00:36:36] As is the sequel The Iron Woman I did because he was the poet laureate of Britain And that's a country in which I spent a lot of my adolescence What? BONG Ben Roll decides to be Ted Hughes is kind of problematic Uh, yeah A bit of a dickhead

[00:36:56] Yeah He was a decent poet though Yeah, he was Yeah But He was awful to Sylvia Not nice And I think he had a big part in her committing suicide I think so too It's a fun thing to talk about in this episode

[00:37:10] Well it's the worst one so I just figured why not Yeah, I don't know You know who else is problematic? Oven in the head, right? Yeah Your head in the oven Sorry Wow Do you know who else is problematic? Who? Almost everyone True Yeah, I mean

[00:37:27] I don't say that to excuse her No, no, no But especially getting all those like beloved authors If you go back in time No, come on Ernest Hemingway Cool guy So cool Clean slate, Rawl Dahl Famously chill Especially towards Jews Ted Hughes

[00:37:44] It's just funny because I was very into the Iron Man, the book When I was a kid, when I moved to England Okay And I read it And so I saw the Iron Giant because Specifically I was interested in an adaptation of the Hughes book

[00:37:57] It was like a knee when Captain Underpants came out Exactly And I also read The Iron Woman Which is not as good but still kind of good Which is more about environmentalism Whereas like The Iron Man is more of like a very basic like monster from outer space

[00:38:13] Like industrialism versus natural You know, whatever But I did read a lot of his poetry when I was in high school Just signed to me The book is very different Book's very different But one person liked the book a lot Pete Townsend of The Who

[00:38:27] Who post Tommy goes I need to come up with a subject for my next rock musical I want to make another rock opera And it's gonna be about the Iron Man Not Tony Stark No But it's gonna be about the Iron Man So he wrote a rock musical

[00:38:44] Which has been staged and has been released Although not like it's not widely available The soundtrack's available But it was never like mounted in a real production They did kind of a lot of tryouts and workshops And things like that And limited runs Des McAknuff Yes

[00:38:59] However you say his name Mack-Mackenough Mackenough, Broadway legend Most famously directed the adventures Iraqi and Bullwinkle Was sort of directing it Because he did the Broadway production of Tommy as well Warner Brothers Acquires the rights They're looking for their own kind of big musical

[00:39:14] Yeah, so they work on this with him Right, Disney's got all the fairy tales So they want to find other children's stories That they can turn to musicals So they adapt this They've been trying to work on it as a CGI feature Brad Bird comes in and goes

[00:39:26] Look, I'm not crazy about this music Right, I don't like the music I don't want it to be 3D I don't like the design you got going on I'm not particularly interested in the story I want to set it in the 50s instead Well, there's something here

[00:39:36] And he goes He still likes He gives me the weekend And he has his pitch Do you want to say the pitch? His pitch is Because it's very tied to the sister He had spent years I'm letting you talk Grappling with gun violence

[00:39:49] As an issue in this country Having lost someone he cared about deeply To like a senseless act A violence that would not have been possible You know, as such a hair trigger Decision of a man going through a crisis Were guns to not exist And he says

[00:40:07] What if an object had a soul And it knew what it was What if a gun had a soul And what if a gun knew it was a gun And didn't want to be a gun And he goes into the room and says that to them

[00:40:22] And they all go Ooh And then he gives him this whole pitch And he goes, look I don't want to be Disney I don't think we should be trying to fight Disney I think we should own what we are And be our own thing This is my pitch

[00:40:33] It's the 1950s It's the Cold War It's like Norman Rockwell We have robots We have rock and roll We have hippies We have beatniks It gives him this whole pitch The military guns And it's all about What if a gun chose not to be a gun

[00:40:47] It's all great And they go Cool, go for it Yeah, sure Here you go Here's a green light You have one third of the time And half the budget Big budget though 40? Plus 30 for marketing That's what I heard

[00:41:02] I think it was maybe closer to 50 at the end of that A box office mojo lists the budget at 70 Which by accounts that was factoring in the marketing But they never, well whatever That's what everyone says Third of the budget Pete Townsend

[00:41:16] How do you feel about Pete Townsend? Love the Who Said when they told him Sorry we're not going to do the rock musical thing And like we're not going to use your song Said whatever I got paid Yeah Nice, that was his reaction

[00:41:30] And then he later saw the movie and said It's really good I read some interview with him when I was looking around And he was like great movie As did Des Who has a producer credit on this movie And did jack shit

[00:41:41] They both just got paid to not have their work adapted Yeah And Ted Hughes died But he read the script and liked it a lot And his daughter Frida Hughes Sylvia Plath's daughter Loved the movie And has spoken very fondly of it

[00:42:00] And Tim McCann-Lees was hired to write the script Yes, weirdly enough Which they had very limited time He wrote it in three weeks Off of Brad Bird's outline Brad Bird was reticent to let on another writer He was But Brad Bird's outline ends with the world

[00:42:16] Being a Gulf to nuclear war Yes So McCann-Lees just smoothed some of that out I can see that ending Sure And like I think in the end of Brad Bird's treatment Like the Iron Giant is dead Like that is that You know

[00:42:30] And Tim McCann-Lees was like you can't That's, you can't do that And when he read the script and he saw it That's such a huge bummer Right And that's also the best moment of the film Is the ending I think the ending is important

[00:42:43] Yeah, I don't think a bleaker ending serves the movie Yeah No, and it set up really well And we'll get to the ending in a moment So now let's talk about the movie And then we'll talk about the reception to the movie Great After that Okay, great Okay

[00:42:55] So the movie's called The Iron Giant Yes It starts with Oh, it's the best movie And I love it You love it I've seen it one million times And I cry every time It's a great film Yes It's a great American film

[00:43:07] Ben, you had not seen it before I've not seen it before Until last night And It's good The verdict is in, folks What were your thoughts Vis-a-vis size of the Giant Perfect Now he's not small He's quite large Huge Very big It's great

[00:43:30] You know how there's like a tree? He's like, that's like his foot He's way taller than a tree He's very warm I mean, I went into this I'm like the name, I'm already in But you thought maybe what? Ten Ten foot six

[00:43:43] I'm like, let's see how giant we're talking And it beat out all the expectations I see Ben tapping his fingers Okay, let's see how big it is Whoa Yeah, like the Giant It was like kind of like wide shots of him walking You know, like

[00:43:59] Love, that's what we need Yes, more This movie has a great sense of scale Yes, it really does Yes And important to note, a thing he did on this And this was kind of revolutionary was Giant is totally CGI Interesting, sure 100% CGI Whereas everything else

[00:44:17] And you can tell the difference Yes Because the animation is lovely It's very traditional Right, and hand drawn animation Is difficult to convey Solid mechanical objects in that same kind of way See, this is what we have written for Rigidity, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah That makes sense

[00:44:36] So they use kind of cell shaded animation CGI painted over it To make it look like 2D Yep But they also animation I don't know if you know about the concept Of ones versus twos, threes, fours No But it's about the fluidity of your animation

[00:44:51] The fullest animation is shot on ones Which means for 24 frames per second You have one image per Frame Yes 24 images a second, essentially Right But a lot of animation gets away with doing twos Or threes So that's like two, it's to like 12 Frames per second or whatever

[00:45:10] David, are you following this? Man, I don't know I've like, I lost about 24 or whatever Fuck, he's talking If you're shooting at twos Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what's up? If you're shooting at twos You're filming each drawing twice Which cuts the budget in half

[00:45:25] Because it cuts the amount of Drawings you need to do Fucking drawings you have to do Can I just say as an aside It is so crazy that there's a kind of movie Where people just take a big piece of paper And draw something

[00:45:36] And then they have to do that Like one million more times And every time the thing's just moving A little bit Like if I did that I would lose my mind in a day And I would kill myself And I'm very afraid of dying

[00:45:49] But I want to be clear I originally wanted I would commit suicide I originally wanted to be an animator Which is I think why I went to Cal Ops Because I had already picked that As the school for me Yeah, you mentioned, yeah Right, and I did animation

[00:46:02] I did like a summer intensive program At NYU and I wanted to kill myself It just seems so, so I immediately realized I did not have the stamina to do it Demanding and like the endurance Concentration Concentration

[00:46:16] I didn't think there were things you would be able to deal with Like knowing you I think I was pretty good at it But it drove me insane Yeah, absolutely insane And the other thing you have to understand is I know this is obvious

[00:46:27] But I'll just state this With computer animation You build the models of all the characters And the sets in the computer So that exists And then you're sort of animating that model Much like stop motion animation You have a physical puppet That you're animating With hand-drawn animation

[00:46:43] You have to do the drawing from scratch every time Right, yeah that's what That's just crazy Right, you have to draw a full hogarth Just to get his fingers to move a little bit Now like, Hannah Barbera would cut corners By being like

[00:46:55] We're gonna use a still image of Shaggy And only animate his mouth But that's why Hannah Barbera cartoons look terrible Right You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah But Breber was always an advocate of full animation Which is a very tedious Very obsessive process

[00:47:09] What were you saying about ones and twos or whatever They shot the iron giants On twos Which isn't really a thing with CGI But they wanted to make The CGI look rougher So that it would blend in better with The animation Which I think is kind of interesting

[00:47:25] Sure It also works because He's so large that his mass is different He moves slowly Right, but he also just seems to occupy Like space in a different way Right Which helps Now here's the other thing Breber did in this movie That's big Was not unprecedented

[00:47:40] But it was very much against the norm at the time And now has become the norm on all films Okay For a very long period of time It would be You are an animator assigned to a character Yes, right, yes That's what I think of his animation

[00:47:53] Classic animation Right, so like you're Disney You're a job You're doing the chipmunk Right, right You're Miko and Pocahontas And your job is to do Miko throughout the film And the better animators The more high-ranking senior animators You get to do Pocahontas or whoever

[00:48:07] Brad Bird on this movie said I want each animator to take on a scene Oh, interesting You are assigned a scene And you are responsible for all The character animation in that scene Okay You're directing that scene in its entirety Right

[00:48:23] Because I think especially when you get to like The rockier Disney films You see like this feels like seven different movies Sure You know the like the funny supporting animal Is in a different film than the crazy over the top villain Then the plan generic square-jawed hero Right

[00:48:38] You know this is like I want each animator to have a sense of ownership Over each scene Okay So you're putting the whole scene together And we're revising that over and over and over again Right, so he's really directing the fuck out of it

[00:48:51] And a big thing he does on this movie Is open critiques which weren't a thing We're gonna screen The rough animation or your storyboards or whatever In front of everyone else Onto a whiteboard And I'm gonna get up there with a marker

[00:49:05] And show you what we're doing differently The head should be 15 degrees this way We need more of a joke in this So you're saying that he took a process that I just described Is very stressful Yes And he made it much more stressful for these people Right

[00:49:18] But the other thing he said to them was We don't have the time We don't have the money We don't have their reputation Okay All the best animators are at other studios Dreamworks was starting up at this point Katzenberg had a chip on his shoulder

[00:49:28] Being ousted from Disney Wanted to prove that he was better than them They had stolen almost everyone good from Disney Disney had the remains And he still had Fox and Bluth and TV And all these other places So they were getting people who either

[00:49:40] Essentially had been pushed into retirement Old guys So he was pulling out of retirement to do favors To help on this movie Or young guys Who had not been given a shop before Or two green experience Or people who were just insane People who were like

[00:49:53] She's good but She's just an asshole Or he's good but he's crazy And he just picked up all the latchkey kids Okay And said I don't want us to make any excuses I think we can fucking own Disney

[00:50:06] And how badass are we gonna feel if we come out And we're like We're Warner Brothers animation This studio doesn't have an identity We can fucking define it We can push the boundaries of what animation is And what I wanna do is not feel Incentivized to outdo them

[00:50:19] In terms of bombast Because I see these movies They're too many jokes They're too many songs True The emotions are too wild I mean this is all fair Yeah He's criticizing To leave nothing on the table Later Disney In terms of creativity Sure

[00:50:33] To make a film with restraint And then held everyone to insane Insane standards Right So now we have accurately described Brad Bird's creative process Right And here's I'll tell you emblematic of this The very opening of this movie is the Warner Brothers logo But he does it as

[00:50:51] So good Like a radio sonar signal Yes He refused to have the traditional Warner Brothers animation intro Which has Bugs Bunny leaning against The thing eating a carrot Yeah And then he was able to succeed Didn't want that Cause this was a different kind of movie Right

[00:51:06] So he designed that very cool Opening logo Which is the only way they would compromise with him Right Yeah And then we go straight into Amendment Walsh On a boat Yeah good voice acting in this movie Yeah Yeah Sailor To storm Yeah Something crashes into

[00:51:26] We see from the space Something crash into a hurricane And it's dark Like it's dark and ominous Sure And it is completely devoid of jokes True In a way that would feel weird in a Disney movie I guess you're right Disney movies often have an atmospheric opening Sure

[00:51:42] Like your beauty and the beast Okay Fair enough Fair enough Man on the sea Weird waves Sonar pinging What is that in the distance He thinks it's a lighthouse No No Well we've seen again from space We've seen this thing crash Oh right Yes Yeah

[00:52:01] So he you know yeah He smashes into the iron giant We'll see more of him later But here's the idea Like you know like a person One iron Yeah Instead of you know blood and stuff Mm-hmm Two Real tall Now I have a very important question for you

[00:52:17] Yep And he's also wet at this point We should mention that Ben He's very big and he's very wet That's true This movie is set in Maine Mm-hmm Coastal Maine I have a very important question for you Mm-hmm I can't remember I watched this movie last night

[00:52:29] For some reason it's escaping my memory David Mm-hmm Is the iron giant wearing a shirt In this sequence Uh no, no shirt Oh interesting So the iron giant took a shirt off Because the iron giant only takes a shirt off For Vin Diesel movies

[00:52:45] And baby this is a fucking Vin Diesel movie That's true Is a Vin Diesel vehicle He's the title character We did We did it Thank you for turning away We got a fucking Vin Diesel movie We covered him in little supporting parts But baby this is a vehicle

[00:53:04] Vin Diesel above the title Number one movie star Greatest of all time Shirtless This is his third credit On a feature film Same forever I am Strays His like weird little Yeah Same forever I am The Iron Giant Yeah He was like a friend who was recommended

[00:53:24] Uh cause Breber was like Oh they wanted you know Brad Pitt They wanted Uh Schwartz-Sneger to play Manly Like They were asking for all these big names He said the only one he took was Jennifer Aniston as the mom He thought she was good

[00:53:38] And the rest of them he hired the character actors That he wanted And I believe an animator on the film was like I got this buddy who like Just got cast in Spielberg's movies Like started to get big Got a great voice He's got a great fucking voice

[00:53:50] Right And it was literally just like that Like they didn't think they were betting on Someone who was gonna turn out to be A great voice I mean you hear the grunt in it You know like It's not as synthesized as I even remember Like it's you know

[00:54:03] He's doing his thing Yes And they have clips of him in 1997-98 Super bad Right doing the voice While wearing sunglasses Even back then he wore sunglasses in the recording studio My man Vin Can't be stopped Yeah he casts Eli Marenthal

[00:54:17] Who we all know is Stifler's brother in American Pie 100% Little Stifler Um He casts Christopher McDonald Who's like a you know I mean he's the guy from Happy Gilmore Right Jumer Gavin But like he's like a guy You know that guy He's the villain He's a great asshole

[00:54:33] You wanna know the weirdest thing He's so good I think Christopher McDonald's incredible And they wanted Schwartz and Nager Warner Brothers was trying to convince him To cast Schwartz and Nager Why would you have He's supposed to be like A square jawed American like You know G-Man

[00:54:44] Brad listen to us Okay we just got the dailies back From Batman and Robin And I think This guy's range is gonna blow you away We're seeing new sides of Arnold You have to like pay him like money Yeah Uh, Carrie Connick Jr. who I think is amazing

[00:54:58] Right I think that's where they wanted Brad Pitt Or there was another big person They wanted to As Dean But he's beatnik Phenomenalness So good And just well Yeah Aniston who I think is really good Really fucking solid Although there are a couple times

[00:55:11] Where you're like it's Rachel Like you know like sometimes She just sort of says a word And you're like oh my god Like Ross But this was like very much John Mahoney John Mahoney the great John Mahoney James Gammond Clarice Leachman is in this for a second

[00:55:24] She's the teacher Did you mention Vin Diesel? Vinnie D Vinnie D Zull Yeah Ollie and Frank The old nine of the old men Played the train engineer Sure This is very much the time though When Even when you had someone as big as Jennifer Aniston

[00:55:38] Was at this present moment You don't put it over the title Yeah And it also You don't play that they're starpers though She's just showing up doing her job She's playing the character Right You know You get to like something like fucking Rubits The blue sky movie

[00:55:51] Everyone's like You know what I'm saying? Uh-huh Totally know what you're saying It's like hey remember when you were talking about The one and two thing Yeah I actually had no idea what that was It was like Like my mind was blank

[00:56:04] I also used arthritis in my hands So I'm not really made for that field Because my hands hurt very easily You have arthritis in your hands? Yeah, does this never come up? No I have arthritis in my hands How? Do you have like an autoimmune condition?

[00:56:16] No my body's just What's the Shit Bad Interesting Yeah I got one when I was 15 years old Wow I'm gonna be so much fun when I'm 35 You're not 35 right now? No I turn 35 next week I'm 28 right now next week I'm turning Oh no wait we're recording this in 2011

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[00:59:50] It's gonna be hard for him to do cause he's asleep Let's get him out of here so you stop laughing Bye Alright so Iron giant crashes Hogarth, Hogarth Hughes Great name Hog hug Hog hug! Hog hug! It's really funny What he says that Yeah He's a latchkey kid

[01:00:12] His mom's a waitress He lives in this little town He likes horror movies What else does he like? He likes comic books He likes Mad Magazine He likes his co-bos Hogarth is right from the Ted Hughes book too What a name What else? He likes landslides

[01:00:31] Sprinkle and chocolate into his milkshake Sure He likes Twinkies Yeah He seems like a cool kid He's a great kid He's playing in the woods by himself He has fun He's got like a vivid imagination He also likes to take in stray animals

[01:00:45] Oh yeah that's right cause his first thing Is where he has the chipmunk or the squirrel Or whatever it is He wants to play very badly And he lets it loose in his mom's diner And it goes up Dean's dance And that's how we meet Dean

[01:00:58] He's really funny in that scene The economy of this movie of just like It's a short movie, 90 minutes With credits Yeah, 87 minutes with credits actually Yeah, I think the film ends up coming in at like 80 Sure Yeah, 82 Right That was another thing at the time

[01:01:16] Because animation was so expensive And because it rarely played to adults Everyone was like 80 minutes tops Yeah sure We need to pack in the kids 90 with credits You don't get longer than that There's an efficiency to these movies But this is just like

[01:01:30] He could have had the squirrel scene happen to anybody It could have just been squirrel running wild Why not use this to introduce the other main players? Agreed This is also This is also the one sequence that feels like a little more Disney

[01:01:44] Right, because it's just sort of wild Like slightly exaggerated sequence Like, yes, like undo his pants to let the squirrel out Which I think is funny As he says, I apologize Yeah, I apologize That's even like a little bit of a... You're saying a little risque Yeah Sure

[01:01:59] Yeah, and I think, you know I also like that there's like Like the fifth plot in this movie Which is never remarked upon and barely Just sort of where we just sort of find out about the end Is that like Aniston and Connaker Oh yeah They want fuck

[01:02:13] And then they start fucking And then they get buried Oh God, he's dead Ben, oh no that was Pacino Somebody say my name I've been bleeding out in this corner for months Oh no, you go back to play Somebody get me a mattress Go back to play Attica!

[01:02:33] Attica! Oh my God Hey guys, I'm missing Yeah, you're alright Alright, but anyway, yeah That's that opening sequence Sort of laying everything out Oh, Gareth Mischievous Mom, frustrated Yeah Dean caught in the middle I don't know And let's say The setup of this movie

[01:02:52] And the movie is all very Spielberg-y Yeah He was a guy in the Spielberg circuit For a long time No, it's very amblin That idea of like You play in the woods And like you sort of, you know Have this rich inner sort of, you know Life

[01:03:08] And I think Brad Bird kind of is a A cynical Steven Spielberg Sure He is a Steven Spielberg with a Far more complicated view of Humanity Right, some might call him Randian We'll get into that Well, I'm gonna fight that We'll get into it

[01:03:24] I have a far more complicated view on that I do too, but we'll get into that In the next episode Because that doesn't touch this one But I watched this Spielberg documentary I had not seen it I've seen that twice I watched it twice Great, congratulations Thanks

[01:03:36] I guess you're twice as good as... Finally, I'm getting credit for watching That documentary twice Yeah, there you go How many times have you seen it, Ben? I was listening See, that's a brave stance You wanna see a real hero Who's not looking for lawdates?

[01:03:49] And they say that a hero can save us Knock us down in the way Wow, Jack Kroger What a great get for this episode And Josie Wells We're just featuring him I think it's Kathy Kennedy has a line Where she talks about how like

[01:04:08] They're talking about the period Where everyone was slamming on Spielberg For being too optimistic And too sentimental And she went, look It's not a craven thing That's who he is I think Steven genuinely sees the best in people And I think he can genuinely...

[01:04:26] He believes that he can will the world Into being the place he wants it to be And Brad Bird has a far more complicated relationship But on a semiotic level Brad Bird sees the world as a prison That is constraining him, a great artist

[01:04:40] That is my take on him More than like he's a randy I agree But I do... I cannot deny that after making two movies In a row where people are like You kind of have this like objective Sort of strainty He's like, no, no, no, no

[01:04:55] Anyway, here's my passion project It's about this secret world Where all the world's geniuses go Because Earth is like too bad for them They're too good for Earth But here's... Because I'll tie it right into this movie, okay? People tag him with Objectivism Which I think is wrong

[01:05:10] I think he is obsessed with exceptionalism And I think because of his difficult struggle Finding a footing in animation For years after people had told him He was the guy When he knew he had the right instincts But people were telling him to settle for less

[01:05:25] Yeah, or like this isn't commercial or whatever Right, or who cares? We don't have to work this hard I think he's very obsessed with the idea of responsibility And the people who are capable of doing powerful things Having responsibility to do the right thing with that power

[01:05:41] Which is what this movie is really about Cool That's fine, Reid I wrote a whole really long article about his randianism Again, I want to plug it I'm the Atlantic Fucking what? A trophy? A medal? I mean in which I was arguing against the idea

[01:05:56] That he's randian in political belief or whatever Yeah Cool So Dean lets us squirrel out of his pee-pee hole And runs around and the mom gets upset Yes, that's right But you know there's... Again, I like the economy of the storytelling

[01:06:15] Like I like that we just sort of get his relationship with his mother Immediately without any sort of like sad stories Of like a lost dad or whatever And that's another thing that Spielberg is to Is the missing dad, no dad

[01:06:28] And he just gave me a thumbs up because he's eating his cheese I'm eating my cheese dick My cheddar bagel twig Cheese dick, that's a sixth sense right? Okay And so the next... Because when he meets the giant is he's at home alone Watching scary movies, eating Twinkies

[01:06:44] Because his mom's working like a double shift or whatever He has whipped cream mirror and he just sprays it into the Twinkie It's really... it's pretty cool How do you feel about that, Ben? Are you a Twinkie guy? Yeah, it's a little gross I don't like Twinkies

[01:06:55] I kind of like Twinkies, I don't like whipped cream So like it's like too much Like you know But it's like a childish... You know when you were a kid where you're like What if I like do this? Is that like food? What? Like do whippets you're saying?

[01:07:08] No I mean like when you're a kid and you're like What if I just like put mayonnaise on bread and ate it? Like is that food? Like no one would ever let me do that And then you do it and you're like I think this is bad

[01:07:19] And he's home alone like most nights So he's got to experiment He's got to try different things But then he... the giant He meets the giant Right How does he... Well He leads into the woods in the first Well it's a... the... the... his antenna is broken

[01:07:36] So he goes out to fix it and then he sees Like something in the distance Right, right, right He loses his TV reception So he takes his bike and his BB gun And his like helmet with his goggles You know like he likes... Rayford Vanshin

[01:07:47] And right, he goes and meets this Giant iron man Who's at the sub... the electrical substation And it's like... He gets caught up Right, for... he's trying to... he eats metal He loves metal Sure It's like his food Yeah And he gets tangled in the power

[01:08:04] And Hogarth saves him And that's you know Yes, Hogarth Flips the switch, lets him out Goes... Oh you look a lot like Vin Diesel Oh and also right And then that's when he then... Or is it the next time they hang out That he eats the railroad tracks?

[01:08:19] Or is it all in one... No, no Yeah, cause first is the power station And then like The giant comes back to him And says like you saved my life But he eats half the BB gun Yes The remnants there left on the ground So now...

[01:08:31] Now it says Hogarth Yep Um... Oh no, she is widowed Interesting I don't really pick up on that I guess it's like I think it's more inferred Yeah Um right but like That's the giant likes him now Saved his life Yes Uh... He goes home, he's terrified Sure

[01:08:50] And then we're interested in Manley around this Point? Well yeah cause Manley's been called in to investigate Well there's the... M.M. at Walsh Is the sailor being like Oh giant middle man And then there's that scene I fucking love Right before the squirrel Crawls up Dean's leg

[01:09:05] Where they're making fun of him Sure And then he goes like Hey he's not crazy I saw him too Yeah Dean's like Right Yeah And Hogarth's like You saw him too and he's like No but come on I mean if we don't stand up for the crazy people

[01:09:17] Who will Which is great Yeah he rules He's a cool beatnik He's my friend He wears all black He wears all black He has like cool little boots You know like healed boots A perfect soul patch He's got a soul patch He's got black sunglasses He drinks espresso

[01:09:31] Oh my god Which is like very cool For like 1957 or whatever He's also he's so handsome He's hot He's like Can we talk about it He's really hot He's really hot I just kept on being He's hotter than Harry Connick Jr. Oh yeah

[01:09:45] Like if I was Harry Connick Jr. I'd be like Oh la la boo Yeah, yeah Who are you And Harry's like Man I'm like No that guy you're voicing Oh la la I think in general Obviously the animation Of this movie is beautiful But I think the faces

[01:10:01] Are so good To help me with this Yes I think There's something about the faces I'll tell you the thing That I think pushes this movie Over the top I think the Performances in it are incredible I think it's some of the best Yes great voice acting

[01:10:15] Animation acting No but I'm saying But you're saying right The animation itself The performances Yes They're so expressive The faces Even though the animation Is very simple Right But I also think that has to do With the fact that he was Giving animators scenes Rather than characters

[01:10:30] Because so much of it Is the interplay between The characters together Right The way people say that acting Is reacting Right It's about how all the different Characters are behaving In one scene together That scene is now Under one person's purview Sure

[01:10:47] But yeah I mean it's a beautifully Designed movie and Really great performances But it's also a movie of A lot of restraint Sure You know It's not symphonic It's actually a pretty small Story And it's comfortable with Long stretches of silence Yeah that's true

[01:11:05] It's a very small story The characters don't Over-explain themselves It's a boy and his brother They don't and also They become friends Sort of without us Even seeing it Like you know He just sort of assumes That we'll get like That their relationships are deepening Yes

[01:11:20] Cause like it's like You know we go from Dean not knowing about The giant to Dean seeing the giant To him the three of them Just sort of hanging out All the time Right You know like without So there have been called in Reports about this Iron Man

[01:11:35] Sure And Manning is then sent To investigate They're all from Ozzy Osbourne Right? Ben's like James Dun dun dun dun dun dun Dun dun dun dun dun dun Good He goes to the site I was looking up Darger You know that artist Darger I was just wondering if

[01:12:02] Yeah his manuscript Could be turned into an animated film Cool Are you going to buy the rights Ben? Why did that occur to you? For our nascent blank check Pictures single Yeah totally Why did that occur to me? Yeah I don't mean this in an aggressive way

[01:12:17] I'm just asking Ben's getting into the acquisition business Yeah I mean I'm always like Looking for my next hustle R&D IP They want to collect IP This is the moment Get Roger Daltrey on board Okay Okay Okay And so The Iron Giant is In this movie

[01:12:36] Yeah so then Wait so what happens Manning goes to the site He finds the gun A hilarious character Yeah Please can we talk about him You want to know the best thing About Christopher McDonald Sure Do you know that there were Three Made for TV sequels

[01:12:50] To Midnight Run Okay That were only about The Jack character The Robert De Niro character Oh sure In which Christopher McDonald Replaced Robert De Niro I did not know that Just him as a sad bounty hunter Were they on They were made for TV

[01:13:06] Yeah I think USA or TNT Another Midnight Run Uh huh Midnight run around And Midnight Run for Your Life Those were the names Of those Made for TV movies That's a weird replacement For De Niro though right Sure Yes Definitely a weird replacement For De Niro

[01:13:27] Was he doing it like De Niro though Uh no he just looks like I mean I think he was just Doing Christopher McDonald Catching Bale Jampers Jack Walsh is the fastest in the business Holding on to them is another story There's nothing really wrong

[01:13:38] With like a Bale Bondsman TV Show or whatever I mean plenty of stories He could do there Or a bounty hunter or whatever It's not like oh he has to Team up with the Duke again It's like no he's just He's just a once again A bounty hunter

[01:13:53] A bounty hunter Collecting people Well so in The Iron Giant His character is like He's a pencil He looks like a pencil He's got this like crazy long chin He's got John Kerry had Sure Uh he's A parody of like a G-man He's got like a pipe

[01:14:12] And he talks and he's got A raincoat talks in this like Really slick way He's got such a good voice I think that one Such a good voice I also just like wonderful performance It's like almost all the Ways he delivers his line

[01:14:22] You know when he's being like Mean at first Where he's like making fun of the yokeles And then his car's been like Bitten in half so he Believes in it all of a sudden Right now needs the people He was just mocking to back him up

[01:14:35] Uh and then the whole thing Where he's visiting Hogarth's home He's like hey what's What's that Kent Mansley We're for the government You know like his Hug hug Yeah Uh how you doing sport How you doing like that like Montage of him calling him

[01:14:48] All the names slick slugger It's good acting acting Like he gives a good performance As someone who is trying to Sell himself as something different Than what he is It is also it's one of Many red haired characters In Brad Burt's movies

[01:15:02] And I've always wanted to take into What that's about One of many red haired villains And such a good villain in general Because like the whole movie The crux of the ending of the movie Is that he's a He makes this like sort of Erick and cowardly thing

[01:15:17] Where he grabs the mic And he says blow him up Like that's it He thinks it's a hero moment He dooms us all Right and it's like What a funny hero Like funny weird Not funny haha To like center your kids Animated movie around Yeah You know

[01:15:33] Cause like at the end of the Movie it's basically like Everyone settles down And it's like No I get it He's fine We don't have to do anything Like I get it now The Iron Giant's cool And he just like flips out And he's like

[01:15:45] No like he's not cool And like it's just vanity And like close mindedness Like this you know The things he's trying to talk about In 50s America When they started working on the movie He was getting pitches all the time From Warner executives being like

[01:15:58] Can there be a dog? The dog is the funniest part They wanted like a You know like a funny dog To like you know Be like a cartoon sidekick That makes me laugh I mean Ben's like Ben's into it I like that Ben's having the notion

[01:16:11] Of a funny dog Hey Ben like What if there was like a dog Just think about that Wait a second Ben The dog's a little funny It has jokes and stuff? Yeah It's like Rover Dangerfield I love that They also wanted the film

[01:16:24] To be set in the present day Which is bonkers And they wanted a hip hop soundtrack Yes they did Just away Yes they did Okay What else Do you think of anything else? Those are the big ones But a couple things happen Okay Sure One is that

[01:16:40] With animation A lot of the time spent Is cracking story And making it perfect Because it's very expensive To reanimate You don't have time to figure stuff out In the fly The way you kind of can't on set So animation films Usually take three or four years

[01:16:53] And the first half of that At least is just cracking the story Before you even start animating And in the time that they were Working on the storyboards Quest for Camelot came out Right Did really badly Really badly And Warners were sort of going like

[01:17:07] Maybe we don't want to be In the animation game And so they shorter shut everything Down and there wasn't really oversight So they were like, look, we're going to be The last movie made Under Warner Brothers Animation We get to just do whatever we want The struggle is

[01:17:20] We don't have time or money But no one's going to bug us So they stop bugging him And that is why I think this Manning character exists Such a special movie Right In such a pure form Without becoming more villainous More over the top Or more, yes

[01:17:34] He is funny But in any other movie He would be a total klutz and an idiot Yes Or he would be a psychopath Right But instead he's a weak man You know what I mean? Like he is, yes You know what we agree

[01:17:47] And he's more villainous than that Exactly And he is like America's 1950s America has worked He's cowardly He's quick to judgment Yeah He is arrogant Yes About his own place in the world And then of course When he gets in trouble He's just like, fuck it

[01:18:04] And tries to run away Right He's a great character So in the second night The hog hug goes out looking for the iron giant again Right Oh sure, we're going back to that Yeah, well yeah He meets him again Well the giant finds him

[01:18:17] Tosses the switch at his feet Right To say like you saved me You saved me And then he eats the railroad So he has to like fix The railroad all suddenly And he's a perfectionist He's trying to get us to line up Yeah

[01:18:28] So he gets hit by the train And like knocked all over the place So we see that he can like fix himself Uh yeah Which is so well Which is awesome And then that's when Hogarth Hides him in the barn Right, image when his like

[01:18:40] I love that each part of his body Kind of operates like its own creature So the way like his arm Will be like dragging itself along Yeah Like some weird kind of snake You know But then there's And then his hand runs like a spider

[01:18:52] Right, because there's that sequence later Where he's at home And realizes the hand is stuck in the home And he's saying grace And talking to the hand At the same time I think that's really funny And get out of here Satan

[01:19:03] Uh do you know who designed the iron giant? Joe Johnston Oh interesting But he was already like a Yes he was So he just designed like The look of the guy Like he wasn't there on set every day Or whatever, was he? He didn't animate it Right, yeah

[01:19:19] But he designed the giant Sorry Joe Johnston who directed Honey I Shranked the Kids of course The Rocketeer The Rocketeer Captain America 1 Yes but was Jurassic Park 3 A Spielberg-Lucasie guy Designed Boba Cat Worked on Star Wars Very big in the Star Wars films

[01:19:33] Is kind of one of the best Character designers in history And Brad Bird as a favor was like Look we can't crack this time Can you come up with something? He also made that indie movie That was like that launched The Welcome to the Jungle franchise

[01:19:47] You know what I mean? Like that, you remember You know everyone knows America's most popular movie Jumanji Welcome to the Jungle We should talk about the prequel To Jumanji Welcome to the Jungle There's this like little scene prequel To it starring like Robin Williams

[01:19:59] What do they fucking do For the third movie Now that Jumanji Welcome to the Jungle Has become the highest grossing movie In history Just name and I don't know Like VR Right is it a fucking app now? Yeah it's an Oculus Rift Is it an emoji?

[01:20:11] Yeah you're an app I'm an app now You go see the movie And it makes you an app Yeah And says fuck you But also they've like written themselves Into a bad corner where it's like Ah everyone loves these four big stars We put in our movie Right

[01:20:24] Who are fictional avatars For the character Right from a version that gets to start A fictional vintage arcade game That can't be played again That is smashed to pieces At the end of the first movie Spoiler alert Yes And also Was it Oh

[01:20:37] Also Colin Hanks named his daughter After the cartoon avatar He wanted to have sex within the movie Yeah What? Look he did what? David there's one rule You think his wife was like Why'd you pick that name And he's like Yeah no reason There is

[01:20:52] One rule in life You always name your first born child After the person you want to have sex With most but didn't in life Oh I see Always Okay Not creepy Especially not for a Jumanji sequel Right Um yeah The Iron Giant can we talk about that

[01:21:11] Yeah so he's perfectionist He derails the train He comes back together And his hand goes in the house for a while But quickly enough Hogarth realizes We got a problem Moves him to the barn Dean's barn Yes Like that's how they meet Dean

[01:21:28] He needs him to hang out in Dean's barn Because Dean is an industrial artist Who has a ton of metal in his barn Right and Dean buys the half eaten tractor Off of the crazy farmers Yes Because he wants to use it for art

[01:21:41] But isn't that why the giant Is close to Dean anyway Because he sees all this metal And he's like fucking buffet Look at this I'm at like a show knees here I guess he hides him in his own barn first Because his family has barn Right

[01:21:53] Isn't that when he does The scene with the comic books Shows him Mad Magazine And shows him Atomo Atomo who's a bad robot Metal Menace No good very bad Don't do it And Superman Very good Yes yes Do do it Right And they talk about having a soul

[01:22:11] And choosing to do the right thing And doing the right thing And he says I superman And he takes a shirt off Because it's a Vin Diesel And he puts an S His shirt's never been on And he puts an S on his chest So pantsless this movie

[01:22:23] Yeah which is Vin Diesel will do that in any movie Right Do you know Vin Diesel has never worn pants on camera If you see him wearing pants it's It's a G.I. Wow What a fact Everyone who's ever worked on a Vin Diesel movie

[01:22:40] Has seen Vin Diesel's butt and penis Vin Diesel's butt and penis Vin Diesel's butt and penis No I like it without the possessive Anyone who ever worked on a Vin Diesel movie See Vin Diesel's butt and penis Yeah good This is the worst

[01:22:57] This is the number one worst episode right It's crazy we did it We did it No this is actually a good episode When you think about it When we think about it Yeah when you think about it We take a break and think about it

[01:23:06] Yeah it takes us really good Maybe you'll be like Aaron Jai That's why we need a break We got to loosen up I mean we're moving quickly through the movie Because it's a short simple movie I mean it's not like we're like

[01:23:19] Rush for time on the movie itself Do you think when this episode comes out It will bomb really hard But then like 15 years later Everyone will accept that it's a family classic Yeah and then like Steven Spielberg Will make another movie in which this features Insane

[01:23:32] We'll get to that No we've talked about that And we're gonna talk about it more No we've talked about that Yeah and we're gonna talk about it more Okay fair enough I'm just saying this episode's Posting in mid-May Oh yeah it was underlined Ready Player One is a

[01:23:45] Six week old movie at this point Okay so then never mind We're not gonna talk about it Probably not I forgot we've done a whole episode already on it Well we haven't yet but we will In the future Jesus Christ Wow it's like predestination

[01:23:57] You ever think about that shit? Destiny vs. Free Will Yeah he definitely has Of course Yeah Alright Yeah it's like What does it talk about I mean Yes Dean We should just talk about the things we like Like the scenes we like Right Dean Dean

[01:24:14] Such a cool dude Yeah He's just so good looking He's got such a great draw line He does He's got a great draw line Yeah and the smoky eyes Honestly and if I lived in the 50s Like being a junk artist Pretty cool In like rural Maine

[01:24:28] Out of all the occupations you could have Yeah At that time And you got a motorcycle Yes And an espresso machine And espresso And the hots The hots for Jay Aniston And Sue Glauze He's got nice Sue Glauze Sue Glauze's Sunglass F

[01:24:44] Like the two plots of the movie at this point are Hogarth trying to avoid Kent Cause Kent like is living with them Starts boarding Right because he's like trying to solve the mystery Of the metal man Cause he finds the hog hog gun Hog hug Hog hug

[01:24:59] Right and so he Right so he knows somethings up with Hogarth He's trying to catch him And Jeff Aniston says like Oh yeah Hogarth's been weirdly He keeps on talking about this giant metal man I also love that scene where he's trying to push the hand

[01:25:10] Out the window And he's making all the noises Yeah And they're like outside the door When they bust in In the bathroom He's pretending to take a poop That's true He's pretending to take one poop Alright that did it Now it's the worst Alright Ben

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[01:27:50] Slash check Yes for hims.com slash check Cool Alright back to this bad episode This is a great episode Alright and then the other thing is Him hanging with Dean and the iron giant And the kids club Yeah And they're just being cool Like they go swimming

[01:28:08] Nice show friends He does cannonball Oh that's I mean that's a really good Fun, great, awesome, loved Best amazing so good part Of the movie The cannonball Ben I don't get it keep going It's surprising Electrify It leaves you wanting more True It is nice, fun and friends

[01:28:33] Are good part of the movie It is nice fun and friends are a good part of the movie Put that on a t-shirt The splash is so big We just put it on a baseball cap

[01:28:42] The splash is so big that it sends Dean into the middle of the road Yes And the guy goes you're in the middle of the road he goes yeah Say it Well now I feel like I'm gonna fuck up the line No just say something else to me

[01:28:54] You know it's like you're in the middle of the road and then he goes yeah You have to say something How are you doing Yeah It's funny Yeah it's funny Yeah Yeah, yeah it is yeah But somewhere around here we're getting the order of all this shit wrong

[01:29:10] Really But they're in the woods and what feels like the most disneyish section of the movie The sort of idyllic, sun drenched forest walk Where they come across a deer And Vin Diesel is very taken by it sort of gets down on one knee Likes the deer Right

[01:29:28] They hear people coming Right They hide Deer gets shot Boom It's main People are hunting And he sees this Rural main Dead deer there and he tries to pick it up Weakened it, burnies it with his hand

[01:29:41] That's the quote we did at the top of the episode where they're talking about right The will I, he's like will I die or will you die So they said Hogarth's pretty real in that scene That was their He's like I'm gonna die I Hogarth Hughes will die

[01:29:56] Yeah They said their biggest struggle in writing was they need to see where the Iron Giant learned about death Sure And originally it was supposed to be that the Iron Giant killed the deer accidentally Sure, sure sort of Frankenstein monster Right that was their exact notion

[01:30:11] I don't like that And they said the problem was when they did that scene They couldn't believably have the Iron Giant get over it Yeah right right it would be too upsetting if he did it himself For the rest of the movie

[01:30:24] I think it's better this way anyway The audience couldn't get over it The Iron Giant as a character wouldn't forgive himself and would just be down in the dumps for the rest of the movie

[01:30:31] No I think also it just is stupid because I think what's more important is that he's grasping with a concept Not like his own monstrousness Right and the gun thing, underline the gun thing really I am not a gun I'm not a gun

[01:30:44] Welcome to Down Down Coolsville Population Us Is that something Hogarth says? Yes, did you watch the signature edition or the theatrical edition? I did I watched the signature edition which has that dream right? Yes Is that the only addition to the movie?

[01:30:58] It's the only thing to me that I did not remember from the original I think there's one other scene between Dean and Aniston Maybe Maybe it's when she's complimenting the art in the barn No, no, no I think it's earlier when he's back at the diner

[01:31:13] And she says I have the right to refuse service That wasn't in the movie Those are the only two that were added Yeah the dream sequence is not necessary in my opinion They were new animated sequences 15 minutes later And Breberg says 15 years later Yeah sorry 15 minutes

[01:31:28] Breberg says that he doesn't consider directors cut He's happy with the version He wanted the dream sequence because he thought it was a cool opportunity to do very extreme abstract expression of imagery And so when one of the brothers came to him and they were like

[01:31:42] We want to do something Is there anything new you'd want to add in? Right He took the opportunity but he doesn't think it's more his version of the movie with it in But I do have the signature Blu-ray so yes My brother owns the soundtrack on vinyl

[01:31:57] My brother is a huge Brad Bird obsessive Yeah I got him into Brad Bird We saw this movie together in theaters And we would watch this and the Incredibles and Ratatouille over and over a lot Yeah good movies Good movies all Sure And Mission Paw

[01:32:15] Okay well now you're just fucking bragging This is you once again looking for awards It's already the worst episode why are you trying to make it worse? I think people wish we fought more Really? Yeah Are you serious or are you doing another bit?

[01:32:29] I don't know at this point honestly I don't know Okay Iron Giant has this nightmare depending on which version you watch Sure In which he sees these images of himself becoming a horrible monster

[01:32:40] Yeah that's why I think you should not have that sequence because I think it's scarier when he just does it I agree Yeah is the sequence then saying basically they're from like He's from somewhere else He's a weapon from space Right okay and he's just a planet destroyer

[01:32:54] He's at least like a tank destroyer I mean this guy can do some damage Essentially But when he lands on earth he gets this dent in his head Yeah he's got the little bump in his head so he doesn't remember how to work Yeah

[01:33:06] And he first like shows sign of trouble when Kogarth is pretending to shoot him with his ray gun Right right when they're playing by the water Iron Giants eyes go red and he shoots like a ray at him but like Kogarth misses it because he's like ducking down

[01:33:22] And then when he does it again Dean like saves him So Dean's the one who figures out like oh god this guy like you can't point a gun at him Right he viewed it as a threat

[01:33:31] The design is so good because his face is so fucking simple and it gets so much out of it It's so sweet though like that thing early where he smiles Yeah Like is you love him he's got these like big open eyes

[01:33:44] And like his face is a smile like his jaw is separate from the rest of his body His jaw is just a hinge and his eyes are just like a smile shape Two big lights but then Bradford was like A I can have the eyes change color Right

[01:33:58] And you can have them narrow I can give lids on the top and bottom And C I can have the jaw also work on like a Y axis in addition to an X axis so it can shift around

[01:34:10] You get a lot out of him he does kind of look like Vendiz A little bit And I also feel like the way his top It's a wonderful design He's so top heavy Yeah You know what I'm saying his legs are kind of sticky

[01:34:21] Yes yeah he's a big torso with these sort of stick limbs Yeah I want to find the Ted Hughes drawing because it's so different Yes Yes Yes It's very odd And the animation they show in the giant stream of like the concept reel for the

[01:34:38] Townsend version is so fucking ugly it's insane Sure Yeah I like the scene we're getting to the ending now so I just want I like the scene where Hogarth drinks the espresso and goes on a crazy monologue I think Eli Marenthal is wonderful in this movie

[01:34:55] I do too It's such honest performance Yes Like it's a great kid performance that doesn't feel like so many animated kid performances Which are like oh mom you know like really really over the top Okay

[01:35:10] Like when he says I love you at the end which is obviously a big line Yeah Like it just feels like very normal and human like not like sort of sickly or sort of over The top

[01:35:21] I agree which I think that's a big thing in this movie is that the characters never Dip into character Sure It is a very character based film that has these sort of subtler moments to build

[01:35:32] An arc rather than having to take these huge swings at a sort of hyper manic pace Oh there's also that scene where he gets in the car and the Nigerian spins him around It's a lot of fun Super cool A lot of fun great time

[01:35:43] Great to have a friend who's a massive robot A nice space friend you could say Brad Bird animated the coffee scene himself Oh really He said he always likes to animate one scene himself so he remembers what Sure he gets back in the thick of it

[01:35:55] Right and he said like that was the scene that if I was working on a movie I would have died to get assigned because it's all performance Sure It's all comedy through behavior and physicality Yeah And it's like fucking it's great It's great It's great

[01:36:10] But there's the scene around then I guess when they think they figured it out Where the giant is Tracked it back to Deans Right Kurt Kent's on the trail Manning And they pretend that they aren't giants of sculpture Now this is very funny comedy Kent Mansley

[01:36:29] But you're right where they're like show us what's in the barn What's in the barn Dean I've been saying the wrong name the entire episode No you just said it went wrong one time I thought I said Manning the whole time No I think he's been saying Mansley

[01:36:43] Kent Mansley You've been saying Mansley Where's the government Are we sure we don't have to re-record the whole episode I've been calling her Crandall That's my favorite Simpsons life Miss Krabapal I've been calling her Crandall Did you read this will be such a weird line

[01:36:58] 17 years old by the time this episode comes out But I read the New York Magazine interview with Zach Alpha Nackett the other day No I haven't read it He was like you know I'm happy with my career now I don't need to do these big movies

[01:37:08] I'm happy just making buckets Sure He says buckets And whoever the interviewer is said like I was trying to figure out if he knew he made a mistake And then he just looked back at me and said that's what my parents think it's called Season four buckets

[01:37:26] Season three Three I think But even so that he's gotten three seasons out of that is crazy I love that show But like I think like eight people Yeah that's a real blank check It's like Galifianakis' parents you me maybe Zach

[01:37:39] I don't think his parents watch it I don't know what's fucking called Fair enough It's so good that show It is great So They pretend the Iron Giant is art Yeah And Aniston comes in and goes like you know I'm not crazy about that piece

[01:37:54] It feels like those scraps you put over like his limbs Feels a little less intentional than some of your other stuff So she's got an eye for what he's doing Right and he's got an eye for her Right and she's also got an eye for him

[01:38:05] As do I Yeah I've got an eye for Harry Connick Jr. in this movie She wants him to let the squirrel out of his fly if you catch my drift Sure Excuse me Worst episode ever Number one Worst So bad We're gonna win a Razzie

[01:38:25] The sponsors are gonna call us and be like How could you put our names on that thing Good thing the sponsor is the Razzies That's another perfect Simpsons line Yeah That's not the image we want for Long John Silver's Murderous pirate Let's just do Simpsons lines now

[01:38:46] I mean Bird worked on the Simpsons Yes So when does Mansley get his He's putting me on track No Mansley what? When? When does he get his proof where he's able to call it Cause he calls his superior early on in the film played by Jomahoney Jomahoney

[01:39:03] Yeah he gets the picture, he finds the camera Right but early on he's like He calls him and the guy is laughing and basically saying Like yeah give me a footprint Right You know I can get you a scientist I can't go off of a feeling

[01:39:14] If you give me a picture or like you know a piece of the guy Then we can send in some army troops Cause yeah this film is about sort of like atomic age fear Yes You see those cartoons of the duck and cover drills Which are so good

[01:39:28] Which are so good and like it's crazy to think that like my mom went through those And they were like it's fine just get under your desk Like if we get you nuked in Utica New York You know

[01:39:37] And there's that great moment at the end where he's like That's not gonna help anything Yeah well that I love that It's not just like an aside Right Where they're like that's it That's it And even like Harry Conn, you know even Dean

[01:39:49] Like the mom's like should we go to a shelter and he's like well manner We're fucked Yeah we're gonna die I mean imagine if America nuked a town in Maine by mistake Almost happened if not for a very nice try That's true But he finally gets the photograph

[01:40:05] He gets the photograph And I think but it's not He's not the one who exposes it It's just that The giant saves the kid Well right it's like after Dean like tells the giant to get out of there When he's shooting the ray gun at Hougarth

[01:40:24] And the giant like runs away Right Is that after they've disguised him as the sculpture? Yes And he like runs into town and saves the boys So the kid's hanging off the side of the building And so the townspeople are like oh great

[01:40:37] But then Ken is like blow him up The military is already there And that's when the giant starts Like just automatically like wiping them all out Which is also awesome When he's shooting fucking And all his weapons are different

[01:40:49] Like the one that like makes the weird like energy ball That's cool Can I do a merchandise follow up? Or the one that's like Like that It's like a spinning disc Yeah it's cool Can I do a merchandise follow up? Yeah I had an Iron Giant action figure

[01:41:02] From when this movie came out They did make merchandise That then became super fucking valuable Because it wasn't produced In very large quantities And the movie bombed And then like five six years later When it was beloved People wanted to go back and get it

[01:41:15] It's hard to get your hands on And I had an Iron Giant That turned into the bad giant Oh You pushed his head down The chest opened up Bad giant boy Bad giant His hands could turn into guns He's big He's bad Well it was little

[01:41:31] I mean it was a toy Okay Yeah But can I get like a foot tall Iron Giant That one is super, super valuable Oh really There was a crazy big one they made That came with all the supporting characters He was like I don't know like 14, 18 inches tall

[01:41:47] And it came with scrap metal That he could eat Cool Came with some cars and stuff That he could eat And talk It had the voice of N.E.D Limited Hard to come by Mondo The company that does all the posters And the vinyl releases

[01:42:00] No I know Mondo Yeah I'm looking at it right now They have recently released this new 300 dollar That's 300 bucks Yeah But this is like That's like the cheap version Of the thing you're talking about Well I think it's like It's like a little bit more

[01:42:11] Like a little bit more Like a little bit more Like a cheap version Of the thing you're talking about Well I think It's pretty nice I think the original one Probably goes for that amount Now on the secondary market At the time of its release

[01:42:21] It probably went for like 40 or 50 dollars Sure The Mondo is like The high end adult version I have heard it is Very fragile I don't like that I've debated buying it A couple times You've debated buying A 300 dollar toy As I've said I'm a blue collar toy collector

[01:42:35] I don't like to get these Fucking uppercrust Right Caviar and wine toys Right I debated it My great friend Derek Simon I almost got to For him for his wedding And he told me that He thought his wife would divorce him

[01:42:47] If he received that as a wedding present It's just divorce What did you get him instead? Like bollow wine or something I don't know Yeah He just got divorced On DVD HBO's divorce HBO's divorce I got him the first season of divorce I bought him a season pass

[01:43:00] And I had two That's actually kind of A funny gift that gives him a That'd be good That's good Hey You guys out there You can use that Can I say something? Spring for the blu-ray Okay it's a wedding And you know At least do him the kindness

[01:43:14] Of improved picture quality I love how we keep finding Worst things to do I think the ten worst bits We've ever done are all in this episode And we keep on feeding them Great app, great app But he had told me that He was reticent

[01:43:29] I had offered to buy it for him He said reticent We're still on the wedding present story Because He had co-workers who had it And they said it was so fragile It was they didn't even want to Touch it

[01:43:41] Yeah, I mean that would annoy the shit out of me I want it to be robust Yeah, I want a robust giant I mean he's a fucking giant Like I don't want to be fragile Yeah They shoot in this showdown

[01:43:52] The tank shoot at him and it's like nothing He's like forget it So he's tassin' out His eyes are red He's got fucking gun arms His chest is a laser And Dean's screaming Like he only reacts If you shoot at him Stop shooting He's like go fuck yourself

[01:44:05] Yeah and the general's into it And then Our boy hug hug Yeah He gets knocked out Runs up to the front Yeah, he runs up to him To try and calm him down He gets knocked out Giant looks at this Sees a deer situation

[01:44:19] And it's like you killed him And that's when his little head bump Goes away and he just turns into Like the metal man What do you call it? Right Atamo The metal man Like basically And just start And he almost blows up a battleship

[01:44:34] And he only stops because Like Hogarth wakes up Yeah, and pleads to him Yes I wonder if we can find the line It's bad to kill Guns kill And you don't have to be a gun You are what you choose to be You choose, choose

[01:44:49] No one should be a gun You don't have to be a gun You don't have to be a gun It's so good You don't have to be a gun This is where I just start Like uncontrollably crying Basically And then the rest

[01:45:00] For the rest of like the next 10 minutes Whatever's left Yeah So he turns back He chills out The boys alive The general's like Alright, everyone chill out This was a weird Thursday But I can move on with my life at this point

[01:45:14] And then Kent as I already described Like grabs the minds And says, launch the nuke And he's like You fucking moron It's really funny Jama Huni's really funny Where he's like Where's the nuke going, Kent? It's targeted on the giant Where's the giant? Kent And Kents like Sorry

[01:45:33] He's like, gilly? Yeah Sorry Gilly, Kent Sorry Remember when we went from doing Our own bad bits To stealing bad bits From other people From other people Yeah Great So then Kent demands More cowbell And They're all gonna die They're all gonna die And the giant realizes

[01:45:59] What he has to do He thinks of the image of Superman Yes Flying to save the people Right And he flies up into the sky Yes Before he does that Doesn't he say something to This is a smolulator Isn't that right? This is something nice to Hougar Right

[01:46:20] Yeah, I'm trying to find the exact Yeah, right I go, you stay, no following It's a repeat of something They said earlier Right It's kind of the I fix as well He looks up and he goes I fix, which I love It's the inverse of The record Ralph

[01:46:33] Ending Bank Because at the end Record Ralph He's flying down with his fist Saying it's okay that I'm bad And Iron Giant's flying up With his fist saying I want to be good Sure It's about a bad boy Realizing he's good And a good boy Realizing he's bad

[01:46:49] And both of them Have to punch a thing In a direction Both are great movies Both have good ends Yeah And both are about Big thing Big people Friends of the little people But the giant's bigger And that's okay Because again The big people are represented

[01:47:03] And you should have little people Represent it Oh, interesting So you like It's good to have both Because then you can tell How big the people are Because that's the thing If everyone's big Then it doesn't look Doesn't look like There's no scale Sure But yeah

[01:47:17] He flies up He's Superman I'm like Even like Whenever I saw this movie In theaters Like at 13 Like I'm uncontrollably Sobbing Right I mean How do you feel about this I see I don't cry at this movie Interesting This movie just kind of like Perfect It is perfect

[01:47:35] It doesn't round me up That much emotionally Other than the very end Like you mean the ending Ending Because after he blows up And saves the town One Dean builds a really nice Statue for him Good statue And hey good commission For Dean True Two

[01:47:52] Dean builds a really nice Marriage Mm-hmm Yeah With Annie They build a nice marriage together Uh-huh Hogarth has friends now Which like I don't even care about that Right I don't need him to have friends He's awesome He's friends with a giant Who are these fucking dicks

[01:48:08] Are they giants? Don't look like it They're little They probably eat their own boogers Probably That's actually pretty cool Yeah, that is cool What if we tried to make Booger eating popular In 2018 What if we just start passively Referencing booger eating Which is cool

[01:48:22] As if we all like They eat their own boogers Which is cool Anyway Other than Rito Is hanging out Eating some bugs What if we instead They were called Them being called blankies We would have to have one Had to be called booger eaters What if we opened

[01:48:41] An artisanal booger bar In Brooklyn That's a good idea That's just a business idea That's just a good business That's just good business Good business Good business We gotta get into the booger business The booger biz Alright Yeah, we actually Cause we're gonna want to talk

[01:48:56] About the reaction of this movie So that's The end of the movie is lovely It's the screw A whole guy's there He's got the screw that's the one piece they have Which is a cool Just so cool And Mondo made that too Which is cool

[01:49:06] I always wanted to get the screw That's a good idea Yeah, it's like a desk ornament And then one night He wakes up and the screw Is like rattling around Tinking on the window It's tapping the window And he realized what is The music starts to swell

[01:49:17] And you see it rolling and rolling And I love that it's like He's in fucking like an artic Iceland He's in Iceland He's on a glacier in Iceland Right And you slowly see him And that happens I get tangled It's so good And then the last shot is

[01:49:31] Like his big smile And one big tracking shot That goes through Like the winds and the wilderness Until it gets to his head Lighting up his eyes open up And he's a very nice robot And he's gonna come back And have nice fun adventures And he's great

[01:49:43] He learned he wasn't a gun And I like that he doesn't Come back to Hogarth Like obviously their intention Was to make a sequel And there's no sequel But it's also like He's just gonna go on being Good in different places now Maybe or maybe he'll go back

[01:49:54] To Hogarth and like Open a booger store I don't know I'm out of nose boogers So this movie Look at the huge This guy's booger It's probably a steel bookshelf You know what I'm saying? Because he's so big It's like boy the equipment

[01:50:08] Did they release a steel book In this movie? They have Do you have it? Mondo made it I don't have it I think it was only in It was only in the UK Wow Well this movie was popular In the UK Really?

[01:50:20] I don't know if it was like I mean this movie wasn't popular Anywhere It was not a big hit So they're making it Warner Brothers is kind of Ignoring it They think it might get dumped One of the animators They wouldn't give them a release date

[01:50:33] Which is nuts Like I can't even imagine that Because they were like We don't want to be in the animation business I don't know I know but it's so crazy to me It's like The way the movie business works now Where it's like Three years out

[01:50:44] You're like we'll come out that That's when we're coming out And especially in this era It was all about your partnerships Your merchandising deals Your licensing deals Your cross promotional things It was like You didn't seem like a legitimate kids movie

[01:50:58] If you weren't at Burger King or McDonald's If you weren't on cereal boxes And it wasn't just the money you would get From those licensing agreements It was also like It gave you a stamp of approval Of like this is a real thing

[01:51:08] Because it's in every fucking store And those things take years to set up Right And so they didn't have any of that In place No tie in Alison Abadi Who is the producer of this movie He speaks very openly about What difficult times she had

[01:51:20] Working with Brad Bird Which he includes in the documentary That he approved of Which I give him points for being like I will let people say bad things about me She said she went to the licensing fair And they were showing clips Everyone was like

[01:51:32] This is great, when's it coming out? And she was like I don't know And then they just leave Because they couldn't make a deal Right One of the animators leaks A VHS Workprint Unfinished Including storyboards And a lot of uncolored sequences To Drew McQueenie From Aina Cool

[01:51:47] At a time when they were real Needle movers And he Having known of Brad Bird And his reputation Puts it on And writes This is one of the great American animated films ever This is an American Masterpiece Right And Warner Brothers goes Oh

[01:52:03] They're kind of shamed about it Brad Bird was angry that it Had leaked out But it finally got them to Pay attention So they do a test screening They get A pluses They get the best scores Warner Brothers got in 15 years According to Brad Bird

[01:52:13] Warner Brothers now gets Really bullish on the movie And they go Oh cool What released this in With no lead time To be able to put together A proper campaign Right So they did have this Limited run of toys That I guess they had put in place

[01:52:25] From when they didn't know When they were going to get released But then there are only Other cross promotions They have a deal at Johnny Rockets Hey Love a Johnny Rocket Bird tells the story about Driving around Opening weekend to Johnny Rockets And none of them had put

[01:52:37] The poster up And the giveaway was They didn't have toys You got a cassette That had looking Which is the song they play When Mansley is looking For the giant Great It's just like an old Like R&B song That was the tie-in You got a cassette

[01:52:52] A cassingle And you know They didn't have Like proper advertising They only had one poster Which was the teaser poster They have on the Blu-ray The TV ad Which was on August 9th Get ready for a whole new Kind of heavy metal And it's literally playing

[01:53:10] Like generic license-free Hard rock As it shots of him Like eating stuff That's weird The Iron Giant That's very strange Movie comes out in a crazy Loaded box office weekend We've already talked about We'll see if I can remember it It comes out the same weekend

[01:53:27] As the 6th sense Right And it just Bumps Just flat lines 1999 It comes out to $5.7 million According to this Thing I'm reading right now Like the studio wanted An $8 million opening weekend It couldn't even get that I know And it grosses $23 million in the US

[01:53:46] Which is far less than It's budget Yes It is a bomb And look Under different circumstances His career probably would Have been over At the very best He would have been like Hey Brad It's your agent I got a great offer for you They'll let you co-direct

[01:54:05] The Wild Born Berries movie Like he could have just Been a steady hand brought Into the shit But the film is critically Like I mean it is It's not just like A movie that people discovered later It got great reviews As you say it tested well

[01:54:19] And people were You know won critics awards For animated feature You know it was like A well regarded movie But animations had a weird Fulcrum point Because all the other studios Doing traditional 2D animation Are all shuttering Disney has already Push-Burnt out the door And he probably

[01:54:36] Would have been kind of boned If not for some old Classmates of the world Is would start an Independent animation studio Across town But they need He needs to accept That he needs to make a 3D movie Which I think he was A reticent to do

[01:54:50] We'll talk about that Next episode When he first went to them He said I got two scripts for you Ray Gunn or the Incredibles And they picked Incredibles So it's always lingered As a possibility that He could make Ray Gunn at Pixar

[01:55:02] I want to see it so badly Me too I'd love him to I'd love him to make it My all counsel like one of the great Unproduced screenplays I mean could Pixar Make like A movie for adults We'll talk about this That's interesting

[01:55:14] Is that like a thing that's Going to happen We will talk about this Because another thing That very nearly happened Brad Bird almost made A live action Pixar movie What was the 1906 1906 right 1900 to the other movie Yeah I think it could have Happened we'll talk about this

[01:55:29] In future episodes But yeah I mean The movie like Even at the time The reviews were like Why isn't this Working Why are they dumping this And I feel like it built up A reputation super fast Yeah Like super super fast And it's just grown and grown

[01:55:47] And grown and grown and grown And grown and grown And of course it's part of that Magical Hollywood year of 1999 Where all these amazing movies Came out twice right now Yes Were there other movies in 1999? No can you tell me the box office Okay so for August 6th 1999

[01:56:00] Okay I can tell you What all the new releases are Five new releases And I can tell you all five They were The Sixth Sense Number one Iron Giant Sure I'm not going in order here No you're not Number nine Mystery Men Number six Dick Number 12

[01:56:20] Which is brutal Such a good movie And then the other one Opens at number four Opens at number four It's a remake It's a remake Thomas Crown Affair Thomas Crown Affair Which is a great movie Lingered Thomas Crown Affair Directed by John McTurnan Joining the Century Club

[01:56:37] Didn't it? No Not bad Good movie So number one's The Sixth Sense Unassuming Four is The Sixth Sense Unassuming opening weekend Becomes one of the ten highest grossing film film Good opening weekend 26 million's pretty good It was healthy yeah It's like That's like

[01:56:53] What a booger eater is looking for Yeah Good Good Thomas Crown is four Number two is One of the Huges movies in 1999 Phantom Menace No Blair Witch Project Correct Phantom Menace is number 11 It's been a long time I've been watching being dick And being like

[01:57:10] We're behind the Phantom Menace Phantom Menace in its 12th week Everyone's been dunking on it For three months And we're still coming in behind it Number three We've talked about it Classic comedy duo Mickey Blue Eyes No Is it in the 10? Mickey Blue Eyes

[01:57:26] Which is a terrible movie I think it maybe comes out The following weekend Yes I mean no Grant and Conn Obviously a classic dude Triple horn Triple horn Trio They were the next Okay Classic comedy duo 1999 Boe Finger No Man and a Woman Man and a Woman Yup

[01:57:48] A classic romcom duo I suppose you could call them Oh, oh right It's a Runaway Bride Yes, Giren Roberts Yeah And number five at the box office Is An action Film With something That Donald Trump does not like Deep Blue Sea That's right What doesn't he like Shark

[01:58:11] He also doesn't like Introspection His own mortality Living in the real world Thinking about what he's done Being nice to people Raising good children Having a conscience Alright Yeah, you've also got Inspector Gadget Which I am on the record is saying They should reboot starring Griffin Newman

[01:58:38] That is an on the record David Sims prediction that they're going to reboot Inspector Gadget Starring Griffin Newman I mean, yeah, I'd crush that shit No question You'd crush the shit out of it Would it be Inspector Gadget or Gadget Boy? I think Dwayne Johnson could play claw

[01:58:50] No, Inspector Gadget Okay, I appreciate it It's been a while Like we can reboot Inspector Gadget And I just want to remind everyone People aren't too precious I just want to remind everyone Matthew Broderick hits Someone in Ireland With the car Murdered Dead Dead

[01:59:06] Just want to remind people Because we seem to forget And I'll say this I have never murdered anyone with the car Because I don't even have a license Well, it's, yeah So don't get behind the wheel of a car You might murder someone

[01:59:15] Yeah, why do you think I've avoided getting that license? I don't want to be a new Matthew Broderick You want to be Broderick Well, I don't really get a good career Yeah, and I'm trying to avoid that Clearly That's the whole point So let me once again

[01:59:26] Recording episodes like this That's how you avoid a good career Yeah, yeah Trying torpedo, baby Yep So let me just reiterate Here are the Griffin Newman passion projects That we're trying to push into development At Blanchek Pictures Midnight Run Remake Sure Naked Children Griffin Gal What is that?

[01:59:43] Griffin Gal Griffin Gal In Midnight Run Okay Newman Godot Midnight Run Origins Right Midnight Run directed by Paul Thomas Anderson Right Midnight Run Forbidden Kingdom Right, what's the Naked Baby thing? What's that? There it is It's an animated Darger Oh, right Yeah, right, we got that

[02:00:02] We got the Esther Zuckerman biopic Sorry, I'm serious We got the Buzzed The Buzzed Fuck, we do have the Buzzed Yeah I think the Inspector Gadget Reap Is probably just called Gadget Right, drop the Gadget Drop the Inspector It's cleaner Yeah You know what's cool? Inspector Gadget Yeah

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[02:04:42] So everyone makes a joke about the fact that Goofy is a dog and then Pluto is a dog, right? Right, yeah They're both dogs but one is a dog And one of them is like a person So is Pluto just like a mentally challenged dog

[02:04:52] That they torture by carrying around on a leash? They torture him? They're like get on the fucking ground We're putting a leash on your neck But that doesn't make sense No, no, no I'm saying it doesn't make sense I'm not saying you're thinking of me Yes thank you

[02:05:09] But does Pluto usually have a leash She's just sort of running around isn't he He's got a collar Does he have a collar Sometimes he's got a leash He's always on the floor They make him sleep in a house A little doghouse out back But do he

[02:05:18] Goofy has to sleep in a fucking bed Do he and Goofy interact? Yeah all the time and Goofy goes No you're fucking place