The Killer with Marie Bardi

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[00:01:24] That's so funny. He was like, that's the thing once that's gone. Nothing makes noise like that

[00:01:32] Like in the last whatever it's been six months nine months whatever it's been I've no sense of time anymore

[00:01:37] Now there's like half a building erected and it's been quite as a mouse. Yes

[00:01:42] But there's some work happening and what sounds like the unit right next to us Well, there don't go deep on it After watching this movie, maybe it makes me better at shooting people or worse Yeah, you know nothing in this movie. You're like if I could only be like him. I'd be good at my job He's pretty good with like a nail gun. There's stuff

[00:03:00] He's good one would be good with a nail gun if they were inches from a person

[00:04:02] directed by Michael Fassbender and written by Andrew Kevin Walker. In Drill Studio?

[00:04:03] Yeah.

[00:04:04] When was your Smith's phase?

[00:04:07] It was high school into college.

[00:04:10] I very clearly remember getting dumped by a guy named Blake in college and then walking

[00:04:20] along 14th Street at night listening to, I know it's over on my iPod and crying to myself

[00:04:26] as I walked past the money here. I'm opening up a franchise location in my apartment. My dad's still paying off 20 years. What was the barbecue? I think it was called Stubbs Barbecue. Oh, yeah. Oh, sure. Well, that's, you can get a bottled sauce. Isn't there sauce?

[00:05:40] Yeah.

[00:05:40] Yeah.

[00:05:41] But I think they briefly tried to make it a restaurant.

[00:05:43] My dad was like, I'm putting my money down.

[00:05:45] Stubbs is the next great chain restaurant. when I go to a 9 or 10 p.m. screening, didn't eat dinner because I was stupid, get home, come kind of drunk, because I did get drinks before the movie. Incredible, I am too drunk. You have to eat. And Taco Bell on Seamless does it over to my apartment after midnight. Is it the one with the nose strength?

[00:07:00] I think so.

[00:07:01] Yeah, yeah.

[00:07:02] Good Taco Bell.

[00:07:03] Yeah.

[00:07:04] My old Taco Bell.

[00:07:05] I love a Crunchwrap Supreme.

[00:07:06] You've been there.

[00:07:07] I know, way to Uh-huh. I think it's more of a maxi series, a limited maxi series. I agree, it's a limited maxi series. It's 40 minutes and over.

[00:08:21] Yeah.

[00:08:21] If we're submitting to an awards.

[00:08:23] Uh-huh.

[00:08:24] You know how like fast food,

[00:08:25] it used to be like, you know really awful and I can't tell you I can put it in a computer. I like not having to talk to people. Yeah that's why at the CVS the like self-checkout kiosks are so successful because people don't want to have to talk to people when you're buying condoms. Yeah, we all were rushing towards the same person. Shave me! I just want to cut out the middleman.

[00:09:41] I'll get a mega lube.

[00:09:42] But these don't expire for another decade right because I might be sitting on them for a while. gym memberships to assassinations. Yeah. One could argue the film is a comedy about how we've created a world that is ideally suited to sociopath. Right. You can question whether it helps the sociopathy. And a gig economy. But the people who already have those tendencies, boy, are they fucking feasting. Yes, gig economy. Murder gig economy. Murder gig economy.

[00:11:01] Jesus.

[00:11:02] Gigacomedy.

[00:11:03] I've been reading-

[00:11:04] That's a new Pokemon.

[00:11:05] I've been reading the complete killer.

[00:11:07] Looks like he's getting dice clay, but he's got, you know. 1998 oh one time and I was saying to Murray I think Fincher did not even glance at any of the volumes past a certain point I'm trying to figure out where the cutoff sure part is but it feels like everything for the movie is basically taken from the first 200 some odd pages and they've continued doing new volumes of the killer up through 2018

[00:12:20] I think there's also a new one coming out to tie into the movie wasn't this optioned a while ago like yeah

[00:12:26] So I I saw this

[00:13:21] have the same assessment. Sound team almost always uniformly the best people

[00:13:24] on the set.

[00:13:25] Cool people.

[00:13:26] Cool, always cool people.

[00:13:27] And cool in some ways that are commonalities

[00:13:30] across all of them and sometimes they surprise you,

[00:13:32] but it's always cool surprises.

[00:13:33] Where did you see it?

[00:13:34] Where was this theater?

[00:13:35] Whitby Hotel, it was a fancy, fancy.

[00:13:37] That's a very nice screening room though.

[00:13:39] Did you get the little candies?

[00:13:42] I got a little popcorn.

[00:13:43] No candies?

[00:13:44] No, there was no moderator.

[00:13:46] Oh shit.

[00:13:47] And David Finc He's like, I think backstories overrated. I think there's a spine of something interesting here. Here's how I'd structure the movie. It's like five things, right? And he's like one chapter, three, four, five. Andrew Kevin Walker's like, okay, write it down, wrote down the notes of his five point plan of what the movie is. Just reduce it to basically these five chapters,

[00:15:02] these five like movements, five actions, right? And not being written, and then him being like, let's go, let's do this. That's crazy. I don't know what JJ found in his research, but that's how Andrew Kevin Walker told him. Who knows what swill he's dredged up for us. Hell yeah. No, that's awesome. I mean, that is certainly what you hear about Fincher is right.

[00:16:21] It's like just in his brain, whatever the idea is, or then yeah, and then it's just

[00:16:26] sitting in there until needed. done of this, I haven't done of that. Right, but he's kind of like, all right, take your clothes off and then I'm going to shoot this. I think we're done. I'm going to just send that over to HBO. I'm sure they'll do something with it. So much more meticulous and process involved and so long in development that even when he's making something like panic room, that's a bit of a genre riff. It feels like, well, I have to load as much into this as possible.

[00:17:43] And this feels like him being like, let me just fucking strip it down in a way that is very cool.

[00:18:44] Look, I made it very clear to his nephew that I thought he was muddying the cannons a little bit He should try to keep them clean, but we'll talk about that later. There's no water burger in New York, right?

[00:18:49] Did they attempt to one one? I don't think so. I don't know

[00:18:53] I just wanted to go there. It's it's growing on me. It's good as I your wedding

[00:18:59] It was invoked many times. Yes

[00:19:05] Who by the way is charming as hell of, right, like, you know, like the sort of Maoists over at Gotham. So shout out to you, Jeff. I saw it, loved it.

[00:20:21] Was so excited for other people to see it.

[00:20:23] I'm sad it's not getting a, you know,

[00:20:25] 3000 screen release or whatever, but-

[00:20:27] Although it's getting great way to end our series because it's so autobiographical. Well, yes.

[00:21:40] It is.

[00:21:40] I think so.

[00:21:41] I think my enjoyment of this movie is like at least 60%.

[00:21:47] Since you're making fun of it myself.

[00:21:48] Since you're making fun of it myself. as Coteas' necktie. Right, right. Because they're both great. Yes. My letterbox type clip on the movie is a psychological horror film about David Fincher imagining a reality where he's only allowed one take. Oh, that's so funny. Right? But I like, the moment when he misses the shot in the movie. No, I know. I was like, that's what this is. That's his nightmare.

[00:23:00] And not to reduce him. He wakes up in a cold sweat.

[00:23:01] To the thing that he obviously feels some frustration

[00:23:05] about his process being reduced to or focused on.

[00:23:07] But it's like, I was like holy shit That was a miracle. Let's do two more Wait was the bottle so was the bottle falling intentional? No, okay And Craig nailed the catch and then turn as such a movie star moment And then the cat performs the right way where the cat was apparently always like temperamental on that movie and

[00:24:22] Fincher says the story as a sort of like self. Because remember- And Mank and the Killer have both come out of that. He jumps to HBO and sets up the three shows that don't go there, and Video Syncrosy and the third one I'm forgetting. That didn't get very far at all. He sets those up after House of Cards.

[00:25:41] Then he does Mine Hunter,

[00:25:44] and then I think he that like, you know, there's increasing talk about Heat 2, a movie we hopefully will get to cover in some years. I'm pro Heat 2. Right, but like everyone's sort of like wishlist casting is like, well, you just do it without driver Oscar Isaac. Yes. And it's like, those guys are not one-to-one with De Niro and Pacino, but you're like, that works.

[00:27:01] Serious actors with tons of integrity.

[00:27:03] And they kind of have a similar,

[00:27:05] like they've circled each other single issue and a graphic novel. Right. They are like thin, hardback books that, yeah, are not like 30-page issues,

[00:28:23] but they're also not like 150-page compendiums of a run. Metz, actually, apart from being a comic book artist, had also worked on video games at Ubisoft. Oh, that makes sense. He's got credits on Rayman 3, good game. Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, not one I've played. He came up with the character, he thought about it maybe as a novel, but then he was like,

[00:29:40] well, it's all silence and monologue,

[00:29:41] so visually it would be interesting.

[00:29:44] So he starts working out as a comic book. Prometheus I said that guy's a good sociopath write that down for later. I'll find a use for him He has these card catalogs. He said like romantic leads sociopath Like he's just like throwing people maybe a second movie he listed But his line was truly like there are many movies that you could watch and think like wow this fastbender guy is giving Sociopath his line was he says like jobs. Yeah fucking Assassin's Creed

[00:31:00] I mean like I the list goes like I go to see Prometheus and I go hmm sociopath write that down for later

[00:32:02] Like, masculinity is a prison. I do this insane thing and risk my life.

[00:32:05] Why?

[00:32:06] Cargo Fest.

[00:32:06] Why?

[00:32:07] Cargo Fest.

[00:32:08] Like, we haven't talked about Ferrari yet,

[00:32:09] but like, that is the vibe of Ferrari.

[00:32:11] It's not like, ooh, Cargo Fest, how fun.

[00:32:13] It's more like, why do we do this to ourselves?

[00:32:15] A little bit the vibe of Michael Fassbender these days too,

[00:32:17] of like masculinity in crisis.

[00:32:19] Yeah.

[00:32:21] I guess he's got, well, he's in next hole.

[00:32:23] As I said, it's a problem.

[00:32:24] Wasn't that movie filmed like what, like 15 years ago?

[00:32:27] Yeah. Yes. He had two movies really break him in a row, and I'd say Light Between Oceans to a lesser degree. Well, Light Between Oceans was even before that was before Assassin's Creed.

[00:33:40] Yeah, because he's got an alien covenant in there as well, which is, you know, he's very

[00:33:45] good at that.

[00:33:46] And he joined the creed and gave...

[00:33:47] Yeah. I've rewatched it, I'm not a fan of that movie. Apocalypse, he destroys Auschwitz and goes, ahh, but I don't remember anything else that he does in that one. That's his big moment. It's wild that he made four of them. But it's wild that any of them did. Correct. Like you're like, well, Jane for Lawrence dropped out of the fourth one, right? No, she's in it, yes, she dies.

[00:35:00] None of them bailed, ever?

[00:35:03] And then they all gave those interviews where they were like,

[00:35:05] we were just so happy to work with a new director

[00:35:07] on this film. Okay. They want nothing. The movie's about nothing. It's a franchise about nothing.

[00:36:22] They got those days multiverse.

[00:36:23] You can bring anyone back

[00:36:24] but the multiverse about nothing.

[00:36:26] I'd say your Seinfeld impression is pretty bad, Griffin. if the number's small enough, Killer kind of feels like Fincher trying to do the same thing. If I get one bankable name for you and it's in a genre that kind of makes sense as a thumbnail image, and the movie's less complicated than what I usually make, will you just let me be? Right, can I just give me the money and I'll give you a movie in nine months, whatever?

[00:37:42] I'm all for it. I mean, I just wish it was in 3,000 theaters.

[00:37:46] Here's my take. give me the money to make them. They're both uniquely bad for streaming. Like, yes. What I was gonna say, the upside of like the Soderbergh HBO deal, right? Max deal, which I wish more of those films got theatrical releases other than Magic Mike, is that like he works fast. He accepts that he works in genres

[00:39:00] that people won't finance as theatrical films anymore.

[00:39:02] And he's like, you know what?

[00:39:03] Great, HBO, I get to make three of these a year.

[00:39:06] The trade-off is they're I was going to say before I distracted myself with six other points. This woman who was like harping on the accent, right? And Fincher says like good sociopath.

[00:40:22] Yeah. And then she was like, but like he's...

[00:40:25] Do you know he's Irish?

[00:41:21] and from nowhere, right? Like that's the vibe.

[00:41:22] That's the other thing is this guy,

[00:41:23] as much as you're living in his head,

[00:41:27] in his internal voice,

[00:41:28] this guy is like pontificating on ship more.

[00:41:32] There's slightly more backstory, which Fincher was like,

[00:41:34] I want the experiment of like, is that necessary?

[00:41:37] Can we make a movie where you only know

[00:41:39] about the guy in the present?

[00:41:40] We don't fill any of this in,

[00:41:42] but it's more that like this guy's inner monologue

[00:41:44] is closer to Edward Norton in Fight Club,

[00:41:48] where he's making with, but it's not as clear-cut a relationship as this. This is his. And the book does have the thing, or at least this first chunk that Fincher adapted of the one hit that goes wrong and the ripple effects of it. But the way all of it plays out is different.

[00:43:00] All right, so like I said, throw the book in the...

[00:43:03] That's really kind of shared in common.

[00:43:04] It's a good book.

[00:43:05] No, it seems pretty good.

[00:43:06] I like French comics. the fashion from the late 90s, early 2000s. I'm just here to tell you, Gen Z, it wasn't good then. No, it was never good. Yeah, like that wasn't a good time. No. The world wasn't singing with life around 2001. 2001, no, but 99? I mean, look, I was 13 years old.

[00:44:20] Well, that was geeky radical.

[00:44:22] Yeah, I mean, I was having a good time,

[00:44:24] i.e. playing GoldenEye.

[00:44:26] I had a chair in my room. He says at some point that he based his look specifically on a German tourist He saw who identified as the guy that people would least want to talk to That's the joke in the movie Like half anonymous, but anyone who would notice him was like that guy seems a little annoying a hundred percent People are always ignoring tourists. He's not James Bond our guys flies coach. This is a fincher

[00:45:43] Quote, you know, another one is basically just like he's James Bond by way of Home Depot

[00:46:45] Whatsoever Romley just saw and we were talking about how good the ending was she had never seen it before and she was like So what happens in the sequel and I was like they didn't make it and she was so convinced culturally that three of them had happened

[00:46:51] Because they feel like there's been so much of them

[00:46:54] Yeah, and I guess it's that weird combo of like well, we talked about that talked about it

[00:46:58] But I understand that's the other day we record it. Yeah, they're doing oh the TV TV show

[00:47:05] Is it on Amazon? I forget one of the one of the one of the words are doing yeah

[00:48:06] Right. I just I just typed key fob copy Amazon Prime get one tomorrow. No, that's the thing Yeah, Fincher literally said to a venture Kevin Walker like that's a thing, right?

[00:48:10] And he's like, oh, I don't think so. Well, let me check on Amazon put it in here

[00:48:13] It's like wait, you can just buy one for like $20 a day delivery. Right exactly. Oh

[00:48:19] It's so wild. I mean

[00:48:22] We're jumping out

[00:48:23] But that's my favorite sequence of the movie where you're just like sucks. He's an idiot Even though he's so hot. Yeah, he's got a great hat Well, that's not right. He is a better hat That's the best thing about this movie is that this guy is an idiot and he's not particularly good at what he does Oh better a killing than I am Yeah, he's not bad, but he bad has a somewhat inflated opinion himself, right?

[00:49:40] But maybe no one is great at this because such is such a weird job

[00:49:43] I'm gonna say maybe maybe Aggressively sexy films, yeah.

[00:51:01] Linklater. No.

[00:51:02] Well like before sunset is.

[00:51:02] But I'd say those are romantic movies

[00:51:04] and they're filled with tension,

[00:51:05] but I wouldn't say sexy in the way that,

[00:51:08] I get what Murray's coming from. them come out everyone's like they're fucking chemistry are they fucking in real life and then they play clips from the movie and people are describing scenes where it's like he gets stung by a scorpion and she has to suck the poison out i'm like yeah classic fucking comedy shit yeah it sounds fun some fucking hijinks yeah and then i see this trailer and it's like fucking four shades

[00:52:20] of gray is what they're selling not even a full... Oh, and I think this movie is funny. And this movie is funny and Inglourious Basterds. He can be funny. But he's also... He's a perfect example of a star where if they announced he was hosting SNL, I wouldn't be like, that episode's gonna be good. And sometimes they announce a dramatic actor and you're like, you know what?

[00:53:42] I bet fucking Adam Driver's gonna cut it up. And he gets in there and he does.

[00:53:44] I don't feel like Fast Binder could get goofy.

[00:54:42] Baldwin was funny and married to the mob and Beetlejuice is like a light comedy.

[00:54:44] Yeah, but yeah.

[00:54:45] But he's doing a different type of funny in those,

[00:54:47] you're right, I mean, he was more funny.

[00:54:49] Fassbender does not strike me as funny.

[00:54:51] Fincher said in the Q&A that like halfway through filming,

[00:54:56] Fassbender came up to him and said,

[00:54:57] I think I finally get what you're looking for.

[00:55:00] Yeah.

[00:55:01] He said what?

[00:55:02] And Fassbender went precision modeling.

[00:55:05] Oh wow.

[00:55:06] And he said it with this tone of like,

[00:55:08] yeah, I get it now. I'm very impressed by his yoga posing. Mm-hmm. I imagine he's a guy who does a lot of that. Yes. Right? Yeah, but imagine having to do that over and over again. Yeah. Probably get in great shape. Obviously, Tilda Swinton is also in this film. He's collaborated with her before. She's fantastic in the film. He's bringing back Carlos Howard. He's bringing back Carlos Howard from Mank.

[00:56:21] Uh, Charles Parnell.

[00:56:23] God, I love this guy.

[00:56:24] Who's so...

[00:56:25] Where the fuck did he come from?

[00:56:27] It's incredible, because he...

[00:56:28] When he's in Maverick, you're Baker, who plays the brute, the giant assassin who he fights in Florida. That is Sauron. He is Sauron. From the movies? From the Lord of the Rings. Yeah, he's a stunt guy. The Fellowship of the Rings. Wow.

[00:57:40] He's also various other, like, he's, I think, the voice of, you know, the mouth of Sauron

[00:57:45] in the third movie or whatever, and he's like a various orcs.

[00:57:48] Is he a New Zealand actor? You guys traveling to places both glamorous and semi-mundane, and then all of them, you're going to these real locations. It's like, okay, what's my fucking work I have to do? He barely registers where he is, where he's getting off the plane. When he's in Paris, all he eats is shitty fast food. Right, it's just like, I'm here to work. Yeah. I'm a big fan of Quik.

[00:59:00] I've shouted out anytime we talk about French fast food.

[00:59:03] Yes.

[00:59:04] What is Quik?

[00:59:05] It's like French McDonald's,

[00:59:06] and they obviously also have, obviously, but... No, the comic is very kind of like graphic pop-party. Cool. Yeah, it's good. But yeah, it's a very different look from this. The Smith's heavy soundtrack, Fincher was immediately like, well, we have to use How Soon Is Now? That was like in my head from the start. And do we then go a full kind of like 80s, you know,

[01:00:25] gothy kind of, like, do we just have lots of things

[01:00:28] or do we just do all the Smiths? sitting in front of a little heat machine. Right, and talking about like, I'm not a genius, what I do isn't incredibly complicated, it takes some skill, like he's both undercutting himself and also telling you what he's good at. And it's like 15 minutes of windup, he says he's never missed, the only job he didn't have to go through on

[01:01:40] was the one where the guy ended up dying

[01:01:42] through his own bad health

[01:01:43] before he got the chance to pull the trigger.

[01:01:45] And it's like 15 minutes of, right? Which is not cool, right? And you see him trying to time it out. It's not like she moves that suddenly No, there were he had plenty of opportunities to take the shot before and he just picked it wrong He fucks up and yeah, I was just like again like if we just watched him do his mantras and then he just did it Right. Yeah

[01:03:00] They were like black right what is the next mission? I'm like, yeah, who cares? Sure. David Fincher can make that kind of movie

[01:03:05] I believe it like that. He can make retired already. So this is, to me, the core of the movie. It's like John Wick. It's like the more realistic version of John Wick. And John Wick, you know, it's these like ancient samurais basically being like, why do we still do this? What is the drive? Then it's like, well, they live

[01:04:21] in a world where everyone's an assassinated. But this is like, there's the moment with

[01:04:24] Tilda that's the key to the movie and it's the best scene in the movie. But it's like, okay, go, go, go. Right? Like he's not like, oh shit, oh shit. What do I do? You know, I mean, there's a little of that really. He just keeps kind of talking mantras to you, but he's not like in voiceover explaining his psychology. And you're like, is this another job he's going to? Is this like him reporting to a superior? Because you've heard the Charles Parnell character on the phone.

[01:05:42] You know, that's the guy who's giving him the marching orders.

[01:05:44] And he called it that he fucked up.

[01:05:46] And the guy's like, oh, I have always been worried that you're gonna cause her damage. And she has been like a beat within an inch of her life. It seems sexually assaulted as well. They have no clear kind of answers on what happened other than a green tab pulled up. Two guys got out, beat the shit out of her, and the brother was like, they were fucking looking for you. They were looking for you and

[01:07:04] she got the brunt of it. And he now locks saying in whichever episode it was that we recorded that he almost always uses narration. Apart from Button and even Button a little bit, his narrator is always deluded. Yes. Like they're lying to you, they're lying to themselves. Like they're not being, they're not telling you the story.

[01:08:20] There is an act of tension between what you're seeing on screen and what they're saying to

[01:08:24] you, how they with white hair. Big guy and a woman with like a Q-tip. Q-tip lady. Yes, which is just so funny considering, you know, I watched Benjamin Button for the first time and Tilda Swinton was described as clean as paper in that movie and I'm like, is this like an in-joke

[01:09:41] that they have where he just like negs her over

[01:09:43] not being conventionally attractive?

[01:09:45] Well, I'm just like, even's like, and now I have to crack the next biggest mystery. How do I get through this door? He's not like now to New Orleans where I will interrogate my handler and solve the mystery of who he hired to kill me.

[01:11:01] I like that the film like has him do things without explaining it.

[01:11:05] And then you just have to kind of like, you know who I want to collaborate with Ben Hosely I'm a big fan of his work. I want congratulations Hogs on the bucket hat on the recycle symbol man who berries jeans That's the kind of commitment to the craft that I'm showing the very jeans video to like Brad Pitt or whatever He's like, yeah, he get a load of this guy Fincher would hate Blaine check blank check. Love Hosely

[01:12:24] Yeah, yeah, he'd have no patience for blank check. No

[01:13:26] He is assistant like Porsus and Dolores. I thought I don't know who that actress is but I thought she was really good She's amazing her name's Carrie O'Malley. I looked her up and you know

[01:13:30] She's like mostly a theater actor like but she's done a lot of

[01:13:33] resignation like when it gets to the scene where you expect she's going to beg for her life instead she lives in a world of

[01:13:39] Such understanding of what she's gotten into where she's like, oh my god. She's Michael Malley sister of gut of guts. Really? Yeah

[01:14:45] And the thing with him like taking the nail gun to Charles Parnell's chest to try to get the info out of him and he starts the narration of like man calculate six minutes right forty

[01:14:51] seven right no smoking habits.

[01:14:54] Well I have like right and he's dead immediately.

[01:14:57] It's so funny.

[01:14:59] This guy's like kind of losing it.

[01:15:00] He's kind of losing it or maybe he's just I mean maybe it's just insane to think like

[01:15:05] yeah I nail gun a guy he says like, no empathy, right? He's has to like repeat it to himself. He says no empathy right before snapping her neck, throwing her down the stairs. And it's like, he doesn't explain the decision, but he's like, look, I'm giving her 5% empathy in a way that doesn't make my life any messier.

[01:16:21] But even still, he's breaking his code.

[01:16:23] A little bit, a little bit.

[01:16:25] He's not disappearing her like, two movies from 11 years ago. Yes. That's how I that's how speedy I am Well, yeah, he gets this graphic novel 2007 in 2011. He pins the two movies And I'm a slow maker He's a slow slow maker slow straightener this fights just great. Yeah, right. Yeah

[01:17:41] Yeah, how does he kill him eventually shoots him?

[01:18:42] kind of sloppy in the way that this is, but you're just like,

[01:18:43] I just need to keep on like doing anything I can

[01:18:45] to slow this guy down.

[01:18:47] And he's huge, but he also doesn't feel,

[01:18:50] he only feels lightly supernatural in his pain tolerance.

[01:18:54] You're like, he is like accumulating injuries.

[01:18:57] He's not invincible.

[01:18:58] But he's still not good.

[01:19:02] I just still feel like his approach

[01:19:04] to this situation was not ideal.

[01:19:07] No.

[01:19:08] Because like, yes, he drugs the dog Jeremy Piven. Jeremy Piven. Have not seen in 25 years. Yeah, I watched it maybe four or five years ago. I can tell it's still good. I believe it. I just haven't seen it. George Armitage. Yeah. George Armitage? Yeah. Chris Pod. Who also did Miami Blues, which is a similarly good crime comedy.

[01:20:21] Miami Blues rocks.

[01:20:22] Yeah.

[01:20:23] I have not seen any other movie he made, including The Big Bounce, which bounced him right out

[01:20:27] of Hollywood. or the criminal starting to have the crisis and being like, what's it all about? I can't do it anymore. And this is a movie where the guy just like never accepts that he's struggling in any way. Not outwardly, no, not in any different way. We're living in his head. Sort of, but are we?

[01:21:41] I feel like Fincher wants us thinking about that.

[01:21:43] Or is he talking to us,

[01:21:45] but what we're hearing isn't really what he's thinking. Like, I just need it that way, right? And, you know, I think a lot of it is like, you're gonna face so much opposition, not just in like a development process for a movie with money people, but also on set where like you're fighting against the elements and so many people and time where people are gonna keep on saying like, can't we just cut this one shot?

[01:23:00] Or can't we just do it this way?

[01:23:02] And like-

[01:23:03] Because we're up against it, we must cut the corner.

[01:23:05] Right.

[01:23:06] Fincher is like, I don such a dumb motherfucker. Yes. He'll make the joke before anyone else does about the notion of how serious and exacting he is. So good. It's such a funny duo, this and Mank. Like, because Mank as well is like, it's like directors are these like ponsy assholes who like show up and yell at the screenwriter and all that.

[01:24:25] You know, Mank is like such a celebration of this like cantankerous fuck.

[01:25:21] probably butchered to some degree, that it's one of his great lines is like,

[01:25:24] people say there are like a million places

[01:25:26] to put the camera and the hard part is choosing where.

[01:25:29] I think that's wrong.

[01:25:30] I think there are only two places to put the camera

[01:25:31] and one of them is wrong.

[01:25:32] Right place in the wrong place.

[01:25:34] Right.

[01:25:34] And it's like, this movie,

[01:25:36] the inciting incident is the shot's wrong, right?

[01:25:41] Like he's off.

[01:25:42] And it's nothing interfered, but his judgment was wrong.

[01:25:46] But you have to go into it being like, the classiest woman alive. She eats hog and dust. She does. Drinks whiskey fight. She's like the higher class version of Charles Pernell, but also she's a worse manager than Charles Pernell is. I suppose so. That was sort of my read on it, right? She's more sophisticated and smarter than he is, but he hires smarter people.

[01:27:00] And she's just like hire a big guy and have to punch through shit.

[01:27:05] And she gets herself more directly involved in this shit You can try to shoot me. And if you miss, I get to sodomize you. Yes. And he keeps missing, the bear keeps sodomizing him, he keeps coming back the next day. At a certain point, the bear is like, why are you actually coming to the woods? I forget what the actual punch line is. He says you're not here for hunting, are you? Right, yes. Which is a good joke. He likes bear sex. Yeah. But I feel like she's also just sort of saying, like, you know, why are you still doing this?

[01:28:23] Right.

[01:28:24] Like, you know, what are you, what is in this for you?

[01:28:27] It's not money you have that.

[01:28:28] Right. for me to win this. And at other times she's sewing more vulnerability than you're used to in this type of scene where it's like. Maybe this is it. She's really getting sloppy. Like you really see the panic in her. But which is great. She plays a little moments of panic really well. But yeah, you do like the longer it goes, the more she's probably thinking like, well, he's not done it yet. So maybe I can kind of trick him.

[01:29:41] Why would you come to the restaurant?

[01:29:43] Like you're right.

[01:29:43] You could just fucking push me or yeah, exactly.

[01:29:46] Poison me.

[01:29:46] Yeah, what the fuck you're doing?

[01:29:48] Right. And it's also kind of a game-recognized game thing of like, if she doesn't kill her, she's gonna kill him. And she probably wouldn't even respect him for not killing her, right? She's got the little knife. It's a great little reveal. She would have done something with her if she could. Of course. But he has enough wherewithal to do that. And he was trying to prey on her sympathy to help her up.

[01:31:02] Yeah.

[01:31:03] How embarrassing.

[01:31:04] I slipped.

[01:31:05] Right.

[01:31:06] I think he does know like, no, no, no,

[01:31:07] this is, she's gonna try something.

[01:31:08] Yeah. He feels like he's like, yeah, I live in this, you know, weird apartment palace.

[01:32:24] Totally.

[01:32:24] I don't even know what, he has too much money

[01:33:41] to know what to do with all his money all the time.

[01:33:44] He tried to kill someone because he was like,

[01:33:46] well, I have enough money to kill someone.

[01:33:48] Should I do that? Yes, that fucking dude is like every guy who's like the client who thinks that he's like hip and with it. Yes. He's not, but he's not an artist and at the end of the day, he's the one who's calling the shots and you're still in service of him. I've done shoots where you have a special bathroom for the client and everyone else

[01:35:02] has to like, the people that are working 12 fucking kill me, I don't know, what can I say here? But you snuck into my home, you're gonna shoot me. This is like, I genuinely don't know what you're doing here. He thinks he's a robber, right? And he's like, I paid for all this security and still people can like come in and mug me. And then like Fassbender starts saying like the belly and he's like, what the fuck are you talking about?

[01:36:21] And then he's like, oh, the fucking people I hire,

[01:36:24] and they told me it went wrong.

[01:36:25] And they said, we can do this.

[01:36:27] And I said, list Howard or not? Will it feel frustrating are we depriving if you get the final revenge right right and and it is that moment of recognizing like oh?

[01:37:41] His relationship his business is exactly the same to mine

[01:37:44] I'm of the process chunk of the movie. The Equinox Gym and the Hall Equinox. I know, I know. Which is funny, because he goes through pains to have everything else be a legitimate brand. I know, a string Equinox did not want to be associated with this movie. It's so much funnier to also have it be like weird spiritual Equinox. Right, Zen bullshit. Yes, yeah, it's Equinox with a slightly more

[01:39:01] obnoxious twist, that's true.

[01:39:02] It's not just rich, it's like Buddhist or something.

[01:39:05] We didn't even mention the fucking sitcom name.

[01:39:08] Oh yeah. That fucking generic name I made up which one was it again? That's basketball Diaries guy fuck Fuck he's a killer inside me Okay, who was I thinking of I know who you're I think you know what I'm saying though if it's like Carol If that card is under Stefan or Kel

[01:40:24] He's gonna have a visceral memory of like that's.O.W.E. Yeah Lillian's last name is Lilith. I'm sorry

[01:43:00] That's when she takes man if she's introduced stern in yes, ending, it's also very quick, this little kind of code attack. It is kind of like, all right, get out of here. Right. And I guess if he shot Arliss Howard, that would be more of a like, pow, ending. I prefer that he doesn't. I prefer that he walks away. I think it strengthens the movie. But then I was like, what is the final scene now? That downbeat thing there, and then just like him being like, well, okay, I guess I'll sit in my chair.

[01:43:02] Yeah.

[01:43:03] And I'm like, no, you're going to go insane, bro, in like two minutes.

[01:43:06] I've been in your brain.

[01:43:07] It sucks in there.

[01:43:08] Yes. Right. I mean, I'd say the two prong thing is like this movie is caught in this like exact midpoint between it being like really pulpy where people are like, this is just fucking lurid fun. It's Fincher like getting his rocks off or it being quote unquote elevated serious Fincher. And it's like this is in this midpoint between like Zodiac and Panic Room, let's say, right?

[01:44:21] Which I think makes people, especially in a little that these are like playing at the same festivals this piece for Vulture that's like just said what we were all thinking which is when Netflix bought Hitman we everyone was like oh boy okay here we go right now no one sees it like it doesn't matter the killer came out on October 27 2023 mm-hmm in some theaters yeah obviously it's not on the box of the store because of four walls. 10? I don't know. It will have been streaming when this episode comes out. That's the other thing.

[01:47:04] November 10 you're correct. Yeah it's a video game He cuts the game day and date and people were like well opening days huge I heard loaded right and then it just like kind of kept exceeding better

[01:48:23] Yeah, huge. Here's my pro. I that exist in the universe. All this guy who has like maintained total creative control, Scott Cawtholl, sort of Twilight style and kept on killing versions of the movie where it was like a Gil

[01:49:40] Keenan version and a Chris Columbus version. And he of like, no one's gonna watch it on Peacock, it'll do well in theaters. And then it did like three times better than they thought in theaters. What's coming out next week? Next week is like nothing.

[01:51:00] Yeah.

[01:51:00] I know I'm waiting to take my cousins

[01:51:02] to see Wish and Trolls, which are back to back weekends.

[01:51:05] Those are Thanksgiving and then, right.

[01:51:07] Does Marvel's come out that looks like fun to the dad content. I mean, obviously, I'm super excited. Dad and Marie Barty content.

[01:52:20] Yeah, exactly.

[01:52:21] Well, let's go together.

[01:52:22] Dad and Marie Barty.

[01:52:23] Yeah.

[01:52:24] You know, the part where, oh my God, Vanessa Kirby, she like lifts up her little dress He's making chocolate. He's making chocolate. Hugh Grant? I just feel like I know what that movie is and the ceiling is three stars and the ceiling is because Paul King can give it like the oomph. What do you have said? The ceiling for a Paddington movie is three stars? No, because I know what a Paddington movie is.

[01:53:40] This is the most frustrating aspect is that he fucking

[01:53:42] isn't doing Paddington 3 to do Wonka.

[01:53:44] And you're just like,

[01:53:45] what awful fucking sliding doors timeline are we in

[01:53:48] where he jumpship for this? We'll be in allegory for whatever we need there to be in allegory right now about. Number two at the box office is Taylor Swift's The Erestore, did any of you see it? No, have you seen Marie? No, I couldn't get tickets. The whole Thursday to Sunday thing kind of fucked me. Because the weekends are tough for me, I was like, oh, I'll sneak in on it. Oh no, it's just kind of like a weekend

[01:55:00] straight to Sunday.

[01:55:01] I don't go out in public on the weekends

[01:55:02] because I have a flexible schedule.

[01:55:03] I do all of my movie going during the fourth day.

[01:55:05] Well, you're wise.

[01:55:06] I mean, I don't know.

[01:55:07] I kind of want to think about Taylor Swift ever again I was caught thinking about her too much and not a sexual way and I like oh my god People are looking at the lyrics of the new song and they think Yeah, it's a six-acre. All right. Do you know about do you know about gaylers? No, we're not doing this. Okay

[01:57:22] it again, but it's like, you know, prepare yourself. And I'm, I'm backed up.

[01:57:23] I, I have a lot of catching up to do on other movies.

[01:57:25] Right.

[01:57:26] It's it'll be, it'll be on Apple plus during Thanksgiving.

[01:57:30] I want it up there.

[01:57:31] And there's a 45.

[01:57:32] I saw it on the big screen, but I'm just thinking, you know, it might be really,

[01:57:36] really educational Thanksgiving viewing for the whole family.

[01:57:41] I've been watching a Rick Burns docu-series on the plight of the native American called

[01:57:46] We Shall Remain with PBS passport. the chosen, right? It's called the blind. No, it's about what's happened. It's called the something? No, it's about what happens. I guess it's not explicitly Christian. Uh-huh. Although it's by like Angel Studios. It's about what happened to Vegas. It's by the guys who did the chosen. It's about what happens in Vegas, which stays there. According to scientists. Well, unless you accidentally married Cameron Diaz.

[01:59:01] But no, it's like talking to people who've like

[01:59:05] witnessed the afterlife or whatever,

[01:59:06] because they, you know, near-death experiences