The Loveless

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[00:01:10] People cannot wait to hear the two of us discuss The Loveless Because what's that? Smells like a new mini-series Well, in fact, we are cracking open a new mini-series this week This is a podcast about filmography Directors have massive success early on in their career

[00:01:27] And are given a series of Blank Checks Sometimes those checks clear The bounce Baby The balls I wish you'd said that in the movie This is a new mini-series about the films of one Catherine Bigelow One Willem de Faust's balls And it is called Pod 19 The Widowcaster

[00:01:52] That is the name of this mini-series God, it's so stupid Everything is dumb Everything is dumb But here's the thing I don't know if you know this about us, David I don't. What are you going to say? We are connoisseurs of context I'm bowled over Connoisseurs of context

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[00:04:26] You want to do 10 more minutes on this? Yes please So today we're talking about the Loveless Which is the first film that Catherine Bigelow Code directed? I guess kind of But the other, the man that she I'm forgetting his name now Monty Montgomery What a good name

[00:04:42] Well he was in 1930s newspaper man Who happened to walk through a time tunnel And she was like You're gonna make a movie with me And he's like, ah it's gotta be about them bikers Ah kids love that leather and those switch blades Look at this fucking guy

[00:04:55] He looks like it's like a daguerreotype from like Deadwood He looks like he owns the general store In like the Indian Territories Look at this guy He looks like the governor of Kentucky Like back before it was a state

[00:05:10] I hear when he died they put his body on ice And toured it around at sundry shops I know that no one can see Oh my god What? He's the cowboy from fucking Mohandrai Yes, okay so that's what I was gonna say Holy shit I had no idea

[00:05:27] I just worked on him for 400 minutes He went on to a very big film career Working with David Lynch a lot But never directed or wrote again He produced Wild at Heart He's an associate producer on the pilot of Twin Peaks only

[00:05:40] And he produced The Portrait of a Lady Which was of course directed by David Lynch and Dreck Uh-huh No, okay And he wrote for Hotel Room Which he created Which was that weird David Lynch spin-off Or not like that other David Lynch show No one ever remembers Sure

[00:05:59] Sure He's had a big career but he never directed another film And so Bigelow gets most of the credit for this one Because the thing's a salad in this movie Kind of ripple throughout the rest of her career I think, yeah, yeah, sure Yes, she's the director Right

[00:06:17] But she, this was her first solo after being a painter Yeah, well, should we dig into the history of Bigelow? Yeah, give me some context Vroom, vroom Let me get that ready for you Born in San Carlos, California Cool Vroom Which is in... Let's find out

[00:06:39] Is he here, quick guess No or so, Cal I guess Northern Correct Hells, yeah Her mother was a librarian Her father was a paint factory manager And she was a painter, like you said Went to the San Francisco Art Institute in 1970 Worked in New York Worked in Manhattan

[00:07:00] Teamed up with Philip Glass On a real estate venture In which they renovated distressed departments downtown Then sold them for a profit So she was like a... Sounds really smart A house flipper Yeah In New York, sort of gritty 70s

[00:07:17] That's probably why she was so good with Jeremy Renner Why she was able to make Jeremy Renner a star Because they have that in common They're both flippers Was he a flipper? Jeremy's like a crazy flipper, you don't know this? Why would I know this?

[00:07:29] This is like the biggest thing about Jeremy Renner Is Hawkeye, that's just like his side business Like the nut is from house flipping He was like when I was a struggling actor No one was hiring me I would... He was also like a carpenter Sure, sure

[00:07:42] He would like buy houses, redo them And flip them for money He was like a millionaire before he got famous Huh From flipping houses Huh, I had no idea Jeremy Renner also briefly worked as a makeup artist Does his own makeup on most films

[00:07:54] Which is why sometimes if you see Jeremy Renner At an award show And you're like why's he looking a little extra Go for it Jeremy Yeah, it's because he's got all the time in the world Then she went to film school at Columbia Okay

[00:08:09] Worked with people like Susan Sontag there Studied under them And taught at Cal Arts My alma mater that I dropped out of No, you graduated And she worked Then she made a short film in 78 called The Set Up Which Milo Forman took a liking to

[00:08:27] So I guess that was her first like You know, bit in there Which is apparently a deconstruction of violence in film In which two men fight each other As semi-auticians deconstruct the images In voiceover Wow, we should do a whole bonus episode on that

[00:08:46] Maybe we should do a DCM episode on that That'll be a hit, right? People love those DCM episodes No, it's just because I mean the thing that's interesting about her is She comes from this fine art background There's this like very, you know, this academic background

[00:09:00] And there's this very slow trek to get to her Actually like making her first feature film And then a big gap between the loveless and her second movie Near Dark But everything up until now She's about 30 when she makes the loveless

[00:09:11] Everything up until now is like this very kind of like Academic, intellectual Deconstructionist like genre exercise And then what she ends up becoming is like This really fascinating filmmaker who's able to Deconstruct gender roles And genre While still making functional genre movies Agreed That's the needle she corrects

[00:09:33] That's the thing, it's not too academic at all It's not like people see point break and think Oh, a little heady Right Yeah, kind of into itself Right She does a thing I love which is like She makes movies that like the dumbest person in the room

[00:09:46] The smartest person in the room can both enjoy Right For different reasons She also modeled for Gap in the early 80s I should probably find that And she also I mean was famously in James Cameron's music video James Cameron made a music video? You've never seen this?

[00:10:04] Why am I forgetting which band it is? James Cameron made a music video with Catherine Bigelow playing a cowboy Sure Going into town, it's like a Johnny Guitar redo Bigelow is like pretty badass in it She's fucking awesome Yeah she's like a cool lady

[00:10:20] Yeah, she's a pretty cool lady Look at her in this Gap app Yeah, that's cool Smoking a cig I mean that's not cool Looks like a French movie star Yeah, it's not cool to smoke kids Okay, so it's The music video is called Martini Ranch

[00:10:36] Or I'm sorry, the band is called Martini Ranch Sure The song is called Reach and the video stars It starts the way, it's Adrian Pazdar, Lance Henriksen And Bill Paxton Oh so it's the near dark folks Right But Bigelow's the lead now

[00:10:54] She plays like the badass, a vengeful cowboy I think Martini Ranch might be Bill Paxton's band That is very possible Which yeah that seems like Yeah, here you go, yeah Yes, it is his band Yeah, I mean I've seen every show they ever did Yeah

[00:11:10] You saw every show they did I mean unfortunately Martini Ranch Alright, okay Martini Ranch went to the big Martini Ranch in the sky Obviously But I'm sorry, alright, I love Bill Paxton Who's gonna pop up, yeah, in a couple Bigelows Thanks Is it just one? Maybe there's more

[00:11:28] Two Maybe two Two, maybe Oh yeah, we're the two friends also, that's competitive advantage And all of the podcasts have that going for it So, hashtag on it Come at me bro So by the way, so that's her early career And then she works with Monty Montgomery himself

[00:11:43] After he was distilling whiskey You know, in old oak barrels On a dusty road With his donkey But then she's like, Monty come on let's go make a moving picture And he's like a Nickelodeon I'm sorry Thank you That was tough

[00:12:00] I mean a lot of their costs were just transporting that Nickelodeon from theater to theater Because if we would play at a festival It takes so long to get a full audience to see it A lot of the cost was just spent on convincing Monty Montgomery

[00:12:11] That it was gonna work, that the pictures would move I don't know how do you explain that joke But this movie should, I think they got some money Or at least some research resources from the MoMA like film initiative

[00:12:23] And they made this movie for a very limited amount of money And it did the festival circuit for like years It finally got released in the US in January 1984 And it was made like three years earlier And it had gone through like three different titles

[00:12:41] I think it was an early Toronto hit actually Back in those sort of fledgling days of Toronto And it got her notice obviously And it got Willem Dafoe noticed His first picture Also got his balls noticed Oh by David Sims David will not stop talking about Underball baby

[00:13:01] He's got some tack in this movie Boy does he, because he gets cast right in Streets of Fire Off of this And that's his first big movie And then he's into Living Dine L.A And when you see him into Living Dine L.A. you're like

[00:13:13] Oh yeah, Willem's like what 30 pictures deep at this point Because he just seems like, oh it's Willem Dafoe He was like a Chicago theater actor He wasn't big Chicago but he was A Chicago theater actor He was a Stephen Wolf guy, right? Am I wrong about that?

[00:13:27] I think you are just because I think Stephen Wolf Was not as much of a thing He was like part of the more experimental Theater X But the other thing about him was Then I'm wrong about everything You are, he's a Wisconsinite

[00:13:41] So from here on out I will call Willem Dafoe Big Milwaukee He was once expelled from high school for shooting a pornographic film That is cool That there was some underball in that one That That is Two on brand For Willem Dafoe Really is? Wow That's crazy

[00:14:03] I am now reading an op-ed written by Willem Dafoe In 2009 Called What I Know About Women I've never had any close male friends I wish I could do him That's not a bad Dafoe Most important relationships in my life have always been with women Okay it's gotten worse

[00:14:21] I'm thinking about Spider-Man I don't know if you know this But Willem is Dafoe of Spider-Man He is Dafoe That was like Of Spiderman You know like a thunder clap Where you see the flash And then like 10 seconds later You hear the thunder

[00:14:44] But I was like what are you saying And then I sort of permeated my brain It was like Shhh It just devastated me Have I ever told you when I worked at the Disney store The like format of the Disney store Employee badges was your first name

[00:15:00] And then your favorite Disney character underneath it I figured And so it would be like Jim And then underneath it would say like Tinkerbell And Disney Jim sounds cool Yeah Jim was rad But Disney had just bought Marvel When I was working there

[00:15:18] During my brief but infamous tenure So I asked if I could have Spider-Man And they were like I don't know we'll have to ask corporate That's on charge of territory for us And they came back and were like

[00:15:30] Okay we got the approval you're going to be the first employee Including the parks And everything To have a Marvel character on their badge Because the deal had just dried Right And I was like amazing Make sure you put the hyphen in Spider-Man

[00:15:47] And we were like look it's corporate And I got it back and there was no hyphen So the name tag just says Griffin Spider-Man And it looks like it's my last name It looks like it's my last name And I still have it on my fridge

[00:16:01] But I remember working at people being like Holy shit is your real last name Spiderman How's it pronounced That's crazy that you like work here And your last name is spelled Spider-Man I had to push the microphone away Griffin Spiderman What would have been your backup

[00:16:17] I can't have a superhero Violet and Crabble No I think my backup would have been Jesse the old Linkow girl But one of those two I take Violet over Jesse I love Violet When I used to work for Binplan at the comic book store

[00:16:33] My name tag was Violet because at that store Your name tag would be your name And then a picture of a character You look And I picked Violet I worked for Binplan Yeah Midtown comic I met my wife She had a colon grande

[00:16:53] On the street in Rome in 2004 What Is that all he knows about women That's the end of the op-ed No I'm keeping I knew of her because I'd seen her films And we had some mutual friends We were having lunch and I said

[00:17:09] Do you want to get married tomorrow I called up City Hall and they said You can register and then you can get married tomorrow So we ran down there We married the next day with just two witnesses Our best friends Congratulations Willem Anyway it's a whole long editorial

[00:17:28] That you should read it's great And it ends with In italics Anti Christ will be released on DVD in 11th January So I read last night Because I was just curious like Was this really his first film Was this the first thing he had ever done

[00:17:46] He was cast in one film earlier But fired from it And that movie was That film was Heaven's Gate Oh sure Michael Cimino He shot for months And it was one of those things where like Michael Cimino was trying to build A sort of like Anthropological environment

[00:18:08] So he had all these actors who were like They lived there Right and it was like You don't have any lines in the script But we're just going to bring you on set every day And let things happen And this character like developed

[00:18:22] He was there, he was a ranch hand He was the town fire commissioner He was taking ten types Um DeFoe worked on the movie for like Four or five months and he said There was this one day that it was taking Six hours to light a scene

[00:18:38] And they had all the actors just standing still Adjusted the lights And a background actress Leant over to DeFoe and made a funny Comment and he laughed And Cimino went, Willem You're fired And he was fired and cut out of the movie

[00:18:54] Wow what a cool guy Michael Cimino was Definitely not a total completely insane Coked up If we did him One, two Three Four, five, six Seven, eight No seven movies But you could really wrap those last three up Cause if you just did Thunderbolt and Lightfoot

[00:19:18] Dear Hunter, Heaven's Gate, You're of the Dragon That's a nice four What about the Sicilian The Sicilian And then Desperate Hours With Mickey Rourke In 1990, ooh And then Sun Chaser With Woody Harrelson Well look we're doing Michael Cimino next Michael Pacino Cimino Michael Pacino, Michael Cappacino

[00:19:42] And then the phones are all back there And everyone should follow our moves Exactly, everyone just copy us Yes So, the Loveless which was originally called US 17 And then was called The Breakdown or just Breakdown There are two taglines And then was called Underball Smooth Underball

[00:20:04] No okay so It's kind of famous for showing the dick I guess so, what's he got the dick in? I'd say there are a couple male actors who like There's like a few instances Cattel You mean your Bakins, your Cattels Showing that little bacon strip Little Rassher

[00:20:22] Yeah, Cattel, I believe there's an oh-hello sketch Where John Malaney's character refers To Cattel's penis as That little snub-nose pistol Yes, that is correct Which I can never get out of my mind There's a movie where Cattel shows Full-Wang and I forget what it is

[00:20:38] Cattel, no you mean Defoe I'm sorry, Defoe There are too many movies where Cattel shows Full-Wang Including National Treasure Wow First thing Well, Antichrist I think he is Oh, he shows some Wang in that And then he loses his Wang To being caught

[00:20:58] But that wasn't the first time Well, here's a college humor post called Nine Famous People You Didn't Know Had Mondo Dongs Which is probably our Greatest Piece of Journalism? College humor would like to send me push notifications Don't allow Uptin Lars von Trier says

[00:21:20] Oh I thought you were listing Lars von Trier as the first person Mondo Dong Lars von Trier says Willems Penis is Quote, confusingly LARGE Don't really know what that means I'm just imagining Lars von Trier on set Antichrist, Willem Defoe walks on Set, takes off his pants

[00:21:38] And everyone goes Okay so, places And speeding And they go wait, wait, wait, hold on They hold up like the light meter to it He just goes, I need to figure this out Just leans in Cox's head Cox's head I don't understand He cocks his head Oh boy

[00:22:00] Can I give you two taglines for this movie? You mean like real taglines or Christian taglines? No real taglines trying to be Sworn to fun What? Loyal to none Exclamation point, exclamation point Oh what a romp Okay here's the second one Muscles clad in black leather Incest

[00:22:22] Dot dot dot And murder I mean it's got it all We're going nowhere Dot dot dot, fast That's a good one, I would say that sums up the movie pretty well Ben's making origami right now That's how bored he is Oh no I'm just full, yeah

[00:22:40] Producer Ben? Ben Dooser? Producer Ben? Poet Laureate? The Haas? The Peeper? The Tiebreaker? Birthday Benny? Soak him up Benny? White Hot Benny? The Meatlover? The Fart Detective? The Fuckmaster? He is not Professor Crispy? What he has graduated to certain titles over the course of different May series?

[00:22:58] Such as Kylo Ben, producer Ben Kenobi Ben Night Shyamalan, Ben Sate Ailee Bams with a dollar sign Say Benny Thing More Haas and Purdue were Bane Ah take control Take control of this episode Please do I'm reading a college humor piece right now Bad Dongs On Air

[00:23:20] I've made 40 jokes about an Hector no one's heard of because it was IMDb profile picture Which I encourage you to all check out Monty Moncomon You're gonna have a great time, I promise you not since the IMDb Mordecai picture Well you have such a fun time looking

[00:23:34] Okay, okay, alright So listen, yes we're talking about the Loveless and we're avoiding talking about it And I get it I will say this It's on Amazon Prime right now I don't know when, how long that will last for Hopefully forever because they're a great company

[00:23:50] and you can trust them Did your Amazon Prime just cut to gray a few times and I was like, oh is my signal bad and I was like, no I think this is the print Which I kind of loved about it Remember when you'd watch shitty VHS's

[00:24:02] and sometimes you'd be like just got rented too much and it's too broken up and then digital makes everything too clean and it's like, no some shitty movies they just put a shitty version of it on a streaming site and it turns white at five different points

[00:24:16] Like, five minutes into the movie and then it doesn't do it again It's just like in the first reel Oh really? Maybe one more time at the end What were you going to say Benny though? Say Benny anything? Okay, I'm just trying to get it

[00:24:30] somewhat back on track I love talking about underball just like the next guy We're gonna talk about it Alright great, but I just want to say this movie hits a couple of things for me Right here, I mean these are Big fan, but still

[00:24:46] Big bike, but I love a good motorcycle jacket I love a good switchblade This thing has a great poster that like to foe with the leather jacket, no shirt Like holding a cigarette all in black His underballs get the hand Carry on Ben, carry on

[00:25:04] This is your kind of movie So this is my kind of movie I fell asleep watching it It's not a lot It's a languorous mood piece They're going nowhere fast I found a fourth tagline on the VHS You never can tell on a day like this

[00:25:24] things could be going Jake one minute damn presto before you know it, your history That's also a quote from the movie I almost did that That was the opening quote I did What the fuck is that? I don't know I thought you had the answer

[00:25:42] No, I just thought it was funny How many quotes are listed on IBD? 4? Come on, stop it I love to think of someone just carefully entering like hey you One of the quotes it says here is just rev rev vroom vroom kickstand

[00:26:02] Kickstand gets the width in this movie Hey hand me that wrench That's a good line in this movie Featuring the movement music by This is what's on the VHS No Wilm Dafoe name His picture is on it Robert Gordon who is second built The Kings I don't know

[00:26:24] Little Richard, Brenda Lee, the penguins Bill Justice and others Robert Gordon's a musician was friends with Catherine Bigelow She cast him in the role and he oversaw He wrote the original music and oversaw the rest of the soundtrack Who's kind of like greaser number two

[00:26:40] Is he the one who shoots the gun at the end Kind of wildly or maybe that's the sideburns a guy, but Wilm Dafoe plays Vance and there are five bikers in this movie Count him! A few It's a real gang But it's kind of Dafoe who's like

[00:27:02] sort of the lone wolf and then a group of others Right? And this movie is kind of like It feels like a film school deconstruction of the biker movie and the biker iconography and all of that. It's an 80s version of that so we're talking many years

[00:27:22] after the sort of biker movie craze which you think you associate with the 50s Which apparently she obsessively watched all the biker movies that Moma had in her archives and everything and studied it pretty You know, recreated it pretty immaculately but I feel like this film is

[00:27:36] one of the large things it's doing is kind of like thumbing its nose at like how the biker How cool these people were How cool they were and how they like went through this homogenization where they were like like dangerous people who then became like kind of

[00:27:52] cool dangerous to like a comfortable level of danger to them the fawns It's true You know? So by the time this movie came out, bikers were just kind of like an archetype like cowboys similarly like dangerous people

[00:28:06] who now are just turned into things that kids can pretend to be on a school year And I feel like a lot of what this movie is trying to do is be like these guys were gross For sure This was a gross culture

[00:28:16] Well, that's so much of her filmography as well She usually makes movies about men Yes, and Mckeesmo Usually macho macho men who are like maybe in law enforcement, maybe in the military There's a lot And then she just sort of tries to pull all

[00:28:30] of the cool sheen down or Mock it, build it up and make it even more ridiculous You know? She's very, I mean Her short film was semi-autisticians talking about men fighting. I mean right like she's just expanding that out Yeah, she's just figuring out how to show

[00:28:48] and not tell that same thing Right, it was probably the short film sounds like it's heavy on the telling Yeah But this movie starts with like you know, Defoe looking badass and then he's playing voice over And then Yeah, he's like driving on the road

[00:29:04] for a while, yeah He like pulls over and the music cuts out immediately and then there's this weird overhead shot that goes on for a long time A lot of shots that go on for a long time in this movie Yeah, of like him readjusting without the music

[00:29:16] and like taking the time to set up on his bike and then once he revs up the music starts again Right And it almost feels like a comedy routine thing Like it's a gag that a lot of movies use It's cool and something embarrassing happens

[00:29:28] But it's quiet though A very quiet already version of that gag Right, but I think the point is like immediately deflating like what takes them two times to like get the motorcycle going Like it's not all cool and seamless And they're going to Daytona, it's in Florida

[00:29:46] They stop at some town Yeah And then they hang out in the town for a while Cool, so that's been our episode on the Loveless Excuse me Willem Dafoe takes out his balls and gently rests them on a woman's butt

[00:29:58] Okay, now that's been our episode on the Loveless And we're done See I thought it was a sex scene but now I realize how dumb I was Well because if it's a sex scene then here's the sex they were having She lies down on the bed Nude

[00:30:16] He is nude too He lies down on top of her like an older brother lying on a younger brother trying to to start squishing him He's just sort of lying on top of her You're getting some good Dafoe butt Yeah, so their body is entwined

[00:30:30] Too hard bow legs under a napkin Yeah Could be like a piece of erotic imagery And then he just kind of gets up He just sort of like gets up Like sort of He's sort of crouching over her for a second There's you know He's doing downward dog

[00:30:48] and then he gets off her I don't know what they were doing there I guess maybe just a gentle ball rest Yeah, maybe she was like Do you want to have sex? I'm pretty I'm pretty tired. I'll tell you My balls are especially petered right now

[00:31:04] Do you mind if they take a nap on your butt Do you mind if my balls take a nap atop your butt Imagine if this is someone's like Oh, that's an interesting choice I think I'm going to jump into the series Bunk check. I've heard it's good

[00:31:24] Can't wait to hear them deconstruct this art film she made Let my balls take a nap Soft balls on the butt Let them soft Lie them down Thank God his balls weren't hard That would have been really embarrassing if he had erect balls Woo

[00:31:42] Past and future guest JD Amado Great friend I don't know a great friend of my life He and Connor Ratliff JD Amado is the kind of person I can't see Because anytime I do we have to talk for a day You know what I mean? I'll be like

[00:31:58] Hey, let's just go get a grocery sandwich I gotta be placed in an hour Let's sit down for a second And then it'll be like four hours later A couple weeks ago JD and I met up and just hung out Wash & Square Park

[00:32:10] at like 10pm until like 2 o'clock in the morning Sounds like an episode of 12 hour day It was but it was like usually we like structure an activity of like let's go get dinner or go see a movie where you're like no we just want to talk

[00:32:20] for four hours let's just like sit and talk But he and Connor Ratliff uh fellow friend of the show Yup Past and Future Guest Uh we're doing a like secret screening series for a little while I know I know And it had been kind of

[00:32:36] well attended well received people liked it and then like the third one they did was The Loveless And JD said so many people walked out and were confused that it like killed the entire series Wow it is uh Yeah, it's not what you expect

[00:32:50] because I think I saw what the movie was I didn't know anything about it really when we were starting and I was like oh this will just be like a B picture It'll be like a genre picture with like switch blades Right Willem Dafoe being cool

[00:33:02] There won't be balls but it'll be good Or like some repo man weird kind of maybe that exactly Yeah with like a really sort of like pumped up soundtrack and instead it's like this I mean me and Ben were talking about it

[00:33:14] it's sort of like proto twin peaks Kind of like like mockery of American like suburban life just a lot of chilling out Yeah it makes sense that Montgomery like teamed up with with Lynch because it's like a lot of like shots of a table at a diner

[00:33:34] Right And some people being kind of like Right He made this movie then he went to the river to sift for gold and then he went to work with David Lynch Uh there's a scene at the near beginning of this film when Dafoe was just fucking

[00:33:48] king of the road and there is a woman in like a cool 50s car who which is broken down by the side of the road Sure And like the music is like twanging guitar and he's there like all fucking leather sexy Willem Dafoe

[00:34:04] You're watching the movie and you're like okay for this first chunk Willem Dafoe is not opening his mouth Right And you're seeing this Dafoe face devoid of crevice and wrinkle And which is true but still what a face Right because well like

[00:34:18] We do think of him as a, yeah a lined faced man He's a leathery man And he has a crazy bone structure Right And he of course has a famous smile Well that's what I was gonna say His mouth is closed and you're seeing him kind of

[00:34:30] in this pristine condition You're like What a kind of good looking guy Because like there always was something weirdly sexual and seductive about him I think in arguably every performance he's ever given Certainly most of them, yeah but right But it's always a little dare I say

[00:34:46] It's twisted Yes But this movie you're watching and you're like kind of conventionally hunky And then the first time He's kind of slim He's very pale He does have like slightly sneak like sort of And then he smiles And he's got those creepy govel in teeth He does

[00:35:04] And immediately it's like Right, Defoe He's a weirdo So he gets out of the car and it feels like it's this sexy setup And then he starts talking and immediately you're like ooh, teeth And he's like very slowly and seductively like fixing her car

[00:35:20] Yeah, right Yeah and you're like Okay cool, here we go This kind of thing Here we go This kind of setup Which like You know, it might just be a stirring tension that never pays off A stirring tension But then he like, you know, asks her for

[00:35:36] money really grossly Yeah He's like, you know, usually people would pay me for something like this Yeah, right And she's like I'm usually on the receiving end of the cash Like very kind of like stock biker movie dialogue Exactly, right She gives him like a couple singles

[00:35:50] Then he takes her wallet Takes all the money out of it Leans to the car, kisses her Gropes her Cool And rides off So the movie's like very quickly laying out like This guy sucks No good Don't let him put your balls

[00:36:06] His balls on you Or your balls on him No If that's what he's asking for Gross, this is a gross man Yeah Rides into town These people are useless Right Yes They're going nowhere fast Yeah They're going nowhere slow Honestly Yeah They're going nowhere real moody

[00:36:24] and atmospheric Yeah And then he's there in this town He gets to a diner where he meets up with like his other his bros Including Robert Gordon Now unlike Christopher Nolan, he's not rolling with the Warner Bros. No He's rolling with his biker bros Yes, thank you

[00:36:40] Not the biker boys of the 2002 film Biker Boys Orlando Jones is nowhere to be seen here Is it 2002? What's my deal 2003 God damn it I was going to guess three What a fool I am I was going to guess three I just simply remember

[00:36:54] I was watching Excuse me An entertainment tonight like first look behind the scenes of Biker Boys like a year before it came out And I was like that feels like a lot of ramp up for this movie This doesn't feel like work

[00:37:06] We have an early first look on the set of Guardians of the Galaxy 2 Yeah You know, you mentioned biker bros Correct I'm realizing the biker kind of archetype is like proto men's rights Because think about it like bikers they're always going to

[00:37:22] have a portrait where they just like will randomly throw a bottle because they're twisted and crazy, you know Or they'll just like push somebody and laugh about it You know What kind of proto joker to me? You're saying they do twisted things and laugh about it?

[00:37:36] Yeah, yeah Okay wait I got a pitch Do you know if Warner Bros. is looking to make any Joker movies They've said absolutely not there's no money in it We don't want to tarnish the brand anyway But maybe you can change their mind What if Joker a biker

[00:37:50] like Joker Joker a biker It's kind of good though It's kind of good It's kind of good He is a biker gang When you're talking about any masculine archetype then you can say like oh it's proto men's rights because men rights is like

[00:38:04] people who are like but what about when we just got to do whatever we wanted and we were unchecked and like, you know like Well that's the other thing I think this movie is really getting at which is the like oh the good old days sucked Well

[00:38:18] you know it's like an 80s movie like depicting a simpler time in the 50s depicting a longer time ago It's like people have always been bad Not if there's any concept of time in this movie You're just sort of going off the imagery Right but the things

[00:38:30] that like get lionized with time and become like sort of nostalgic and pristine we're always like kind of grody when you're living through them The same way the same way that kids will look up to men's right activists 30 years from now be playing

[00:38:42] men's right activists on the playground Like cowboys and bikers Exactly I'm a red pill boy I'm a Twitter troll Yes LOL Cuck Can I throw out a hot Joker take and this isn't a joke this is a real hot Joker take Uh-huh If they announced

[00:38:56] that Todd Phillips Scott Silver Martin Scorsese movie and it wasn't about the Joker I would be 100% into it You'd be 100% into it If they said This is a movie that's like an origin story It's like Scarface with a super villain

[00:39:10] But it was literally the Joker It was like black mask Right It was like some villain It was literally not a DC movie Or what if it was the Penguin though My argument would be create a new character Uh-huh Make that movie as

[00:39:22] its own thing as like a deconstruction Todd Phillips isn't a good director I think he's an interesting character I know I don't totally disagree with you I don't like the majority of his movies But even when I don't like his movies I think he has qualities that are

[00:39:36] I mean I'm just like look Scorsese You've got you've got chips Why are you pushing them in on Todd Phillips It's more like Warner Brothers are paying I think Phillips is like begging No it's like Warner Brothers we need that for the prestige

[00:39:48] and maybe like a phone call to Leo Scorsese is sort of their connect Well and I think Phillips wants to make a Scorsese movie I think he's like can Scorsese I think he's trying to do the Super 8 where it's like J.J.

[00:40:00] is being like I want to make an Amblin movie Spielberg can you help me make an Amblin movie Phillips wants to make an 80's Scorsese movie But I'm more interested in Todd Phillips trying to make groty like dark comedies The mainstream comedies Well kind of I don't know

[00:40:16] I'd rather him make that kind of movie than big mainstream comedies because at this point I think he's like is so interested in the perversity of the human spirit to put that in a four quadrant movie always feels kind of gross to me

[00:40:26] rather than just making a movie about grossness That's my take Well we'll do war pods Yeah Right so the exact order is Chimino Decker Then Phillips So if you're another podcast you want to bank up episodes in advance I would do four episodes on each of those

[00:40:46] right now Here's my Todd Phillips pitch Do a prequel to the Hangover Call of the Buzz Jesus Christ This is an emergency Oh my god It's the characters they're in high school It's that much of a prequel it's not even them drinking the night before

[00:41:10] No it's not taken any further He was perfect when he said Why don't we just leave it there There is currently a bidding war for that phrase That sentence he just asked Then probably could sell that Hangover by Teenagers Hangover by the Teenagers and it's called the Buzz

[00:41:26] Someone's like 25 million dollar budget Here you go Okay wow Well I don't know where to start Did the fucking janitor's closet Stop You hit gold stop digging Hit oil I should have said hit oil You hit gold whatever You were digging for gold

[00:41:46] So there's a girl in this movie Called Talena She's played by Marin Cantor She's being abused by her dad Now she has Scars Which I could not make out on the shitty Tough on the transfer It's a very low res transfer

[00:42:04] And the scars are invoked and I could not see them Perhaps very subtle effect of make up work That was not perceptible on The Amazon Prime This looks like someone took a VHS And then scratched it with rocks And then pooped on it

[00:42:20] It took a VHS and then put it on a motorcycle Through the motorcycle off a cliff And then transferred it to mini DV Exactly Like is this what they showed At fucking JD Amada's Like secret screening Because if it was a transfer this shitty Yeah

[00:42:38] But he asked her How she got those scars And she says From her abusive father Well I've heard that once before From a guy who then later made up a different story About how he got those scars Richard T? Ricky T

[00:42:54] Let's just do more callbacks to the Nolan series That was when we were really flying high Um Prestige is good The point is that all broids Lead back to Joker I really Never again You never want to talk about Rick again From Cesar Romero to Jack Nicholson

[00:43:14] It's 33 years right From Nicholson to Ledger Is 19 years From Ledger to Lido is like 8 years Right And from Lido to like To Fucking Jake Paul Like some Vine star is gonna be like 3 years So at a certain point Warner Brothers is gonna be making

[00:43:36] New Joker movie like every other week That's sort of the extrapolation We can make here And you know we all collectively as a people Agree that the thing we like the most about Joker Is backstory Everyone wants To know how did he get those scars

[00:43:52] It's not like he's a character That has been proven conclusively Functions best Well known for not having a backstory Now we all know what happened to the Joker He fell into a vat of toxic clowns Yes And he got turned into one after he crawled out

[00:44:08] Of the vat, he was a crazy clown And that's what happened Batman He knocked him into a vat of toxic clown He was bitten by a radioactive Comedian Dilarte performer Oh god I had to fulfill one of the classic Archetypes of the theater The Joker

[00:44:26] Yeah he fell into a vat of Discarded playing cards And he either There was a 50-50 shot He was either gonna turn into the Joker or the rules of bridge Cartman And Yeah he got the Joker

[00:44:42] Imagine if he was the rules of bridge and he was just obsessed With the rules of bridge that was his gimmick Everything had to adhere to the rules of bridge He uh, of course We're joking here but of course Was bitten by a radioactive balloon animal

[00:44:54] And then was turned into An evil bar mitzvah dj Well that was Lino's day No my favorite Batman Joke is just always like X villain he fell into a vat Of toxic Y you know like it's just always funny Like Mr. Freeze

[00:45:12] He fell into a vat of toxic ice cubes Like you could just do it all day So the loveless is about The vat of toxic calendars The loveless is about a biker named Vance Who fell into a vat of toxic leather Yeah yes he did

[00:45:26] He can't get it off except for her underbalcing Yes Yeah he's Leatherman not Slenderman Not Slenderman and not he Leatherman Defoe would be a great Slenderman I can't wait for Slenderman begins Someone tweeted out last night Do you know there's an animated

[00:45:42] CGI animated Top Cat movie called Top Cat Begins That was released theatrically in Mexico Because in Mexico Top Cat's like the biggest cartoon character of all time I knew none of these things Like 40 years later Even though there's still only like 13 episodes Of Top Cat ever made

[00:46:00] Top Cat like lives large And he's like this symbol of like the oppressed rising up In Spanish it's called Don Gato el inicio de la pandilla So they decide to make A Top Cat movie explaining how the gang Got together Because everyone's always wondered how all those

[00:46:16] Alley cats got together Because why would a bunch of alley cats Stay close to each other Choo choo brain Fancy fancy Do you want to know the crazier thing The previous film was Entirely animated in Adobe Flash Top Cat Begins Is a sequel to a movie that was

[00:46:36] Animated in Flash And that movie was weirdly successful In Mexico So then they were like fuck let's put real money into this Did a CGI movie Top Cat Begins has bombed Don Gato y su pandilla Which means Top Cat and his gang That was the Flash movie

[00:46:56] Which made 14.7 million dollars And cost negative 8 dollars To me Right where Top Cat Begins cost 8 million dollars To make and it made half that Wow what a mistake I just love this that Mexico loves Top Cat for some reason Well Top Cat's fucking cool

[00:47:18] He's the Don of cats He's got a purple suit and a hat What else does he do? And the Top Cat is like the ultimate outsider Because the man just fucking hates him Officer Drabble comes around every day Trying to tell Top Cat what's up

[00:47:32] Top Cat's just trying to live his life He's trying to carry around a fish skeleton in his mouth Trying to wear a nice little hat and a vest He's always got a scheme right He's always got some get rich quick idea Well he does, I mean yes

[00:47:46] But that's fine he's trying to rub two sticks together here He's trying to make a living He was dealt about hand, he's trying to get out Top Cat's cool Loveless is a quote unquote cool But Biggler's like or is it Anyway my point was just Talayna

[00:48:00] She's getting abused by her father Well let's, let's, let's, let me say Oh I'm sorry you got more plot to go through Let me say the five words I need to say In between where we are and that point They go to a diner His bros show up

[00:48:14] They start making a ruckus But not in a really loud exciting way No no kind of boring annoying way Just quietly being kind of boring And then he sees this pretty lady Follows her starts flirting with her And then they go into the garage

[00:48:28] Yeah, yeah and they're just In the garage for the rest of the movie Right, pretty much It's just like hand me that wrench Until the very end they're just kind of rough house And talking shit in the garage And then he gets in the car with this girl

[00:48:40] Elena who he's flirting with Yeah she's got short hair Yes She's cool Right now she seems Genuinely cool as opposed to this sort of like Postury kind of No she's pretty awesome Fabulous stains Cool That's all I got This is one of those movies where it

[00:49:02] Feels like everyone Is totally like completely Dubbed Oh yeah sure, sure Which I think a lot of low budget like early First films they'll do that to save money I'm not having to record sound at the time And her dialogue gets like Especially Notable, noticeable

[00:49:21] Yeah the ADR is not great It's not great But it gives her this weird kind of like Disconnected, heightened Kind of I don't know, appeal Draw But they have this talk In the car About her scars Which come from her father

[00:49:40] Who is no good very bad don't do it Played by Jadon Ferguson Yes Who does actually get the end In this film Yeah he does, I think he is Because he is an actor Right Who had been in movies Right But they go to a hotel room

[00:49:54] Yeah he lays the balls down Takes a little ball nap Yep, ball nap happens And just as he is Casually removing The balls from the top of the butt Gunshots Oh no Fathers outside the motel room And he's hoppin' mad Making a ruckus And he

[00:50:11] He's mad at one person Is it the ball napper? No It's the ball nappy The bed for the balls Or he's like He yells at her Sort of hassles her Yes And drags her out of there And then later at the bar He comes to see Willem Dafoe

[00:50:30] And he's like Look I know it's not your fault Yeah boys will be boys essentially Yes So he's got the real right idea this guy Right Yeah he's definitely a good father Yes he has a physically And sexually abusive relationship With his daughter Who is clearly

[00:50:45] Severely damaged by it Correct He Willem Dafoe deals with the situation Of course totally appropriately Running away Doesn't do anything Yes Good job Willem Yes And at the end of the movie The biker boys have Reunited Dafoe with his garage gang Yep they're off to Daytona Right

[00:51:10] They're in a bar Yes And the father is there Yes J-Dog He's like these fuckin' bikers They're communists I'm telling you they're communists I don't like them He's getting riled up with some other drunk Middle-aged men Sure And they decide to start some shit with them Yep

[00:51:27] At which point the daughter shows up And shoots her dad With a pistol Several times Yeah and he dies And everyone else is like doing like fun Kind of cool like gun violence Yeah they're sort of shooting the guns around Yeah Not hitting anyone

[00:51:40] And you know 50s like swing music is playing Yeah And snapping And then every time it cuts back to her She's just standing there sullen Having murdered Her father Yes And the producer The person who crimes he has visited upon her Her whole life Right

[00:51:57] And then the movie ends with them driving away I'm sorry she kills herself Yes She goes in the frenzy to her car In a long drawn out actually really effective Suicides scene Where she sort of slowly inching the gun towards her mouth And Dafoe stands there watching her

[00:52:11] Does nothing And then gets on his bike And rides off with his boys I read a review Then there's like 14 minutes of bloopers Which I'm sad I didn't get to see him when I go back And check it out It was a tie tie boy Yeah

[00:52:28] Weirdly that they're all Jackie Chan bloopers Yeah they're from the tuxedo They just attached a Jackie Chan reel There was a mix up Yeah It was just from the tuxedo Yeah There's a review I read

[00:52:38] Because I was reading a lot of reviews to try to make sense of this movie last night Yeah From the time it's released But also like more modern essays And someone said that like the kind of importance of the ending

[00:52:48] And I'm sorry if you're not remembering who it was who said this Is that like in the eyes of like the Dafoe character And these biker guys Who are like sort of these like nihilists Nothing matters Yeah Like live for fun kind of thing

[00:53:01] Like killing yourself is kind of the coolest thing you could do Right But the thing that they'll always like threaten Like we don't care about our lives We live on the edge But he's sort of there just like frozen Yeah he has Struck by her

[00:53:14] Someone who actually has real pain rather than just Pestisci impressed you know In impression of ex Yes And he can't like extend any emotion to her Because he doesn't have any like well to draw from Right So he's yeah he's just like a little standee basically

[00:53:33] Now we've covered the entire movie And you might say It's like what 72 minutes long Yeah You might say well it sounds like you only describe five scenes There are only five scenes in this movie Pretty much They are long But it's pretty much five scenes With music

[00:53:48] Five like situations Yeah Five happenings Yeah This movie is definitely a happening The loveless how long we've been running them Two hours About an hour Hey man we're doing great Oh god come on Jesus Christ now we can just riff for 20 minutes

[00:54:05] Okay cool what's going on with you No I mean this was our thing like it was like we really wanted Catherine Bigelow And it was like okay there are two episodes that We're gonna have a real hard time getting anyone to listen to

[00:54:17] Right but there's always there's usually that first episode The first movie for us where we set the table we were like that's fine The one we need to like loosen up anyway Right yeah yeah yeah we gotta loosen up because we can get so tight

[00:54:26] We get so uptight Oh god this is weird I know I'm such a skull Yeah Yeah why don't they cut me off more I hate that I cut you off during our two hour 15 minute episodes When you have extensive publicity you know obligations for a Yeah Massive corporation

[00:54:47] Yeah yeah a really good a really good company who's only done good things Never done anything bad ever Yeah we were worried about this episode and we were worried about the weight of water Which is a movie that no one knows existed But that one's it's crazy

[00:55:01] It's crazy Have you watched it now No just that it exists Oh yes We're like wait she did this movie then and with these people Yes These people The problem is no one remembers it and I don't know if anyone will watch it

[00:55:13] So boy we're gonna have to get a good guess for that episode I have to weigh that out Do do do do do do With an A list guest So Mark Marin will be appearing on our Weight of water episode coming a couple weeks from now

[00:55:28] I would love to get Marin on this show I would love to get Marin To lock the fucking gates with him you know just lock him and just talk about the weight of water How much it weighs Yeah How much does it weigh So who are your waves

[00:55:40] Who are you sees Caspian Dead I remember that night I saw the Pacific Ocean get up And looked at me It was at the Conway store and said tonight I'm just gonna do a jazz set Oh my god I'm an estuary guy I like brackish water Lock the

[00:56:13] Lock the moat I don't know No lock the locks Yeah that's it You said it buddy You wanna play the box office game Now this film came out January 20th 1984 Okay So it didn't come out like in I don't know

[00:56:34] You see various like you know concepts of when it came out It was an 81 movie but it was the proper release It's not listed on box office mojo in any form But whatever Right I have this weekend Probably made a dollar Yeah made a dollar too

[00:56:49] Number one at Yon Box Office In 1984 is the film that won best picture In 1983 it's been out for nine weeks And it's number one at the box office I mean this is a bygone era Of course some movies would stick around for a very long time Amadeus

[00:57:07] No I think that's 82's winner Of course I guess it hasn't won the trophy yet But it's a smash success You know it's gonna win best picture in a couple months Like Gandhi is it No I believe that's 80 No that's 82 That's 82 Maybe Amadeus is 84 I know

[00:57:27] In between it's not out of Africa No I think that's like 85 or 6 Ordinary people is 80 on the nugget Correct Yes that's the one that beats raging bull Right and then Rain Man is later That's like 88 or 89 Right Les Emper is like 87 Correct You're narrowing

[00:57:43] Everything else in the 80s that's what I'm trying to do I'm trying to process elimination Okay other best picture winners of the 80s Terms of Endearment Correct There we go James L. Brooks' debut film Terms of Endearment Which adjusted for inflation has made $164 million in 9 weeks

[00:57:57] On a budget of 8 million A dramedy about cancer that played like The Avengers A dramedy about cancer that is long Yeah Played like the Avengers And eventually grosses Adjusts at 108 which adjusted is 292 domestic Yeah that's insane Whoo So that's just chilling at the top That's just fucking

[00:58:24] It was number one last week Yeah And guess what Buster Gonna be number one again No it's actually number two next week Okay Silkwood is number one last week Oh I just gave away number three So Silkwood rose Silkwood rose Yeah What a meantime It doesn't happen anymore

[00:58:39] So Silkwood, well tell me about Silkwood That's number three Merrill Streep takes a shower She does, she takes a disinfectant shower She's revealing It's a Mike Nichols picture Kurt Russell chair I've never seen it I've never seen it It's like a worthy best It's an illness picture Right

[00:58:58] Well it's like an Aaron Brockovich type picture Right She's revealing but it's more dramatic Contamination kind of yes Okay Now number two Boy I don't know Number two Let me find out about this movie It's a comedy ski film How many skis?

[00:59:16] It's not called ski academy is it? No it's Ski school Does it have ski in the title? No it's been out for two weeks Okay It's going to eventually gross twenty million dollars It's not better if dad is it? I've never heard of this movie Okay

[00:59:33] It doesn't star anyone Two at the box huh Apparently Shannon Tweed has a minor role Okay It's a Peter Markle picture The director of great movies like Breaking Point And nothing else It's a Peter Markle picture Comedy ski movie

[00:59:50] According to Wikipedia it's one of the iconic comedies of the 80s Okay I don't think so I don't know The name is a kind of food Oh is it hotdog the movie? Yeah I know that What is that? It's a ski movie It's a Peter Markle picture

[01:00:07] And what happens in it? No I just remember seeing that video box I didn't think it was funny that it was called hotdog It's called hotdog dot dot dot I didn't know it was a ski movie until now But I know that title well Well there you go

[01:00:18] Hotdog the movie okay That's what that is Number four Is A sequel I'm trying to I need to remember if it's like the fourth Hotdog the TV Oh no it's four Okay Let's see It is the fourth I was correct In a long running franchise Of like crime

[01:00:39] Dirty Harry Yes What's the fourth one? No Sudden impact Yes There we go Which I believe is the one That was Directed by Eastwood Yes Okay Yes Which makes 67 million Domestic Big star The fourth dirty Harry movie 184 adjusted Yeah Wow

[01:01:02] Is that the one with do you feel lucky Or is that the second one I think that's the second one That's Magnum Force right No yeah No do you feel lucky is the first one This one is go ahead and make my day Okay

[01:01:17] Do you think that was there Like let's do a fourth dirty Harry And they're like fuck we don't have anything Right And some guy was like how about he says Like go ahead and make my day And they were like great And then the enforcer is

[01:01:26] I need a bath I am dirty Harry Finally he took his bath Yeah Number five Is Would you call this It's a musical A big Big like old fashioned musical Live action Live action A little bit of a L listening Hi Good Back You know Yeah

[01:01:58] You don't know Like And you- You're like I got- It's a little bit of a Pickles Right I'm like I'm like I don't have any I always want to see that. I don't know why I haven't we're doing Streisand of course after I

[01:02:23] Would do Streisand I would love some movies there for the prop the pot of tides the Prince of podcast Yeah You've also got uncommon Valor the pod has two casts

[01:02:36] That's it. Yeah, now we have to do it now. We have to do it Ben put it in the book Okay, so Tremino then backer Then who's the other person and then Streisand I don't know I don't remember you've got uncommon Valor

[01:02:49] Which is some action movie starring Jean Hackman cool sounds cool scarface with Pacino Yeah, yeah, like I'm into it. Yeah an action we started Jean Hackman That's like like that's the thing that we don't have anymore

[01:03:03] It's like you'd never get an action movie starring like Paul G. Amade was gonna say Giammadi, you know Yeah, it's a war movie. Let me look at this fucking weird poster. She's like got a guy on his back

[01:03:16] It's like a war movie. There's that great line the Pad and Oswald has about The taking a pal in one two three Right is like when they remade that movie it was like who can save the day Denzel Washington, right?

[01:03:27] And the original it's like there's only one guy you can save the day and the carapans over and it's like Walter Matthow hung over in a cheap suit eating a stale hot dog Wearing like a yellow plaid like wearing the craziest ensemble ever did

[01:03:42] Try to stop these criminals and the score practically suddenly goes like dude. Do do do do like it's so Great music an action star that movie's amazing Gorky Park Never heard of that. You never heard of Gorky Park now. It's like a 80s thriller starring

[01:04:02] William Hurt and a grizzled Lee Marvin set in Russia make her You've got the big chills hanging out you got He's really bringing the hurt. Yeah hurt you well. Hey, he's fucking hot at that white hot

[01:04:17] Christine the you know killer car sure sure sure so those are your movies. I like movies. I like them too Speaking of let's do the Nolan top 10. Oh, right. Yes So we forgot to do the Nolan top 10s

[01:04:33] Which was already running late running long rather because someone wouldn't hurry me up Jesus David maybe cut someone off once You know help a brother out say what's the point get to the point every once in a while

[01:05:00] He's describing like the DVD extras on his tiny toons box set or whatever Don't talk to me that's still fun. I Actually like steel books. I just think you know, no, you just got to keep them separate The offspring told us

[01:05:23] But we both posted our 10s on the reddit which should be Incentive for all of you to go to the reddit which I think just cracked like 600 500. Yeah, they're doing great over there

[01:05:32] They've got 515 queer means I'll be impressed once it's 600. All right. Well, come on reddit take note Blankies.reddit.com. Yeah, but we also we had never had a guest on for the final episode of a miniser Is that true? So that like threw us off

[01:05:45] I think a little bit it's like the wrap it up kind of stuff that we usually did I guess avatar No, we never have a guest on for the first one or the last one

[01:05:53] Well, we do have a guest on for roadies Lane McDonough Marie. Oh, right, which is sort of a yeah So we did have a guest for Edna Kuro. You are right But you're right mostly we don't mostly we don't I'm thinking through like the BFG weirdly

[01:06:09] Couldn't get anywhere for that although actually Joanna Robinson really wanted to do it Yeah, the timing was weird. Yeah, okay Nolan less We like to go first. Oh sure I'll go first Here we go

[01:06:25] One two three. Amen. The prestige is your number one. So it's not mine. No, I was looking at your list Okay interstellar number one. Yep my favorite Nolan movie probably not most people's number one. Nope Number two the prestige cool number three memento Mebento number four Dunkirk

[01:06:48] Number five and they're done. Exactly Benception that's number six the dark night number seven Batman begins Number eight insomnia number nine the dark night rises. I think it's different from yours Mm-hmm, but it is important to note that I basically like every movie

[01:07:06] Oh number ten following so right which I would offer the same asterisk because a lot of people are going to We both put the dark night at six Yeah, it's funny when most people would be like one and even if it wasn't one they'd be like two

[01:07:19] They would be like spring scene at the start of a song right like right at one One good then you'd you take the needle off the outfit and I'm coming Dark night Richard T. Joker's $100 bill for that joke

[01:07:39] No, he didn't he put his head in his hands like an embarrassed. He was ashamed of his son Dark It's like he just heard like a terrible okay cupid day happening like at the table next to him

[01:07:52] And he just couldn't understand why someone would say something like that Um, I think a lot of people would think that us playing dark night and number six is the run shade I think it just speaks to how many of his films we like. Uh-huh, you know

[01:08:04] That would be another directors two or three for me right but I like more of his films More than that poorly structured sentence. Here's my top ten list number one prestige No surprise there because David spoiled it. Sorry you do say it a bunch number two

[01:08:23] Momento which was the big grower for me on this rewatch I had liked it, but I never liked as much as everyone else. Well, you hadn't seen it, right? Like yeah sure insomnia, which I think is crazy underrated

[01:08:36] And I also relate to very hard because it's a man who cannot sleep right that man begins. I'm sorry Bart man begins number four inception number five dark night number six Dunkirk number seven inner stellar

[01:08:50] Number eight following number nine dark knight rises number ten interstellar is too low. I Like them all mm-hmm, and I have cited my issues with inner stellar Yeah, and I have more of them than I have with Dunkirk despite Dunkirk being a genre. I don't like yeah

[01:09:09] But I like I like those top eight movies a lot Right and then the bottom two I find interesting Acre now someone asked me why I put following I have dark knight rises

[01:09:20] And it becomes this thing of like would you rather a movie with very very modest ambitions that executes all of them decently versus a film with insane ambitions that overreaches right and sometimes

[01:09:33] Moments of greatness right and so yeah depends on the mood right depends on my mood like of course basis of the podcast I love blank check films. I love people who are able to reach that far. Yes

[01:09:46] As dark net rises does I respect in a lot of ways. I just don't think it's very functional No, it's hard to Don't at me now can I do a merchandise spotlight that I also forgot to do in our Dunkirk episode why not okay?

[01:09:59] Motorcycles there for sale right Because as was tweeted to us, I think you saw there there are Interstellar action figures that were made that have been clear instan are still not selling Yeah, they look like they've been in a hibernation for a while. There's something went wrong

[01:10:13] It's it's McConaughey and the black hole and they came back different They're sold together with little cloth spacesuits which don't look very good because The spacesuits weren't make out of made out of felt yeah in the movie. They were not also no Tars

[01:10:29] No Tars, which is bizarre. Give me a tar. Sell me a Tars. I would buy a Tars But they all have weird frightening kind of looking paint jobs like the Hathaway one looks like she's uh Like she's tripping. Yeah

[01:10:44] But Dunkirk a film that does not feel like it would have merchandise a very austere adult right fell. Yes Did have a tie-in promotion with Hardee's Curls jr. Sure the national restaurant chain. Yeah, we're outside of all of their restaurants for the month of July

[01:11:03] They had little Dunkirk signs that apparently teenage girls were stealing From their lawns they love Harry so much and mark right Lance But inside With any large combo you got a Dunkirk cup You got a Dunkirk

[01:11:23] Cup love sure you get to eat a bacon Western cheeseburger and then drink out of fine white heads Silhouette yeah, I see it here. It is it's a Dunkirk cup now This feels like a real strong rebranding for Carl's Jr.

[01:11:40] Hardy's going we're not going for that petty kids meal bullshit right We're not gonna give you some fucking toy or Pokemon card absolutely We're gonna give you cups of real legitimate adult art

[01:11:51] Yeah, and that Dunkirk cup was available for a month and you know what it was followed up by what tick up, baby There you go So for the next week or so if you go

[01:12:01] I'm not on it's just the antenna. Oh sure. That's cool as the antenna says drink in the justice That's great. Yeah, cool. I got one Yeah, it's Tastes like a couple I'm glad I got a large sprite and here was my review. It was a sprite

[01:12:19] I mean they weren't proposing to change this cellular structure of soda cool if they did though. Yeah would be yeah Yeah, so that's the Nolan rankings right so that's our episode on the loveless including three merchandise spotlight in a Nolan ranking. I'll say that willem de Feau

[01:12:40] Should win an Oscar this year for the Florida project. Do you think he has a chance of winning? No, I've heard him tapped as a major chance of a nomination. Yeah But it is actually kind of a low-key performance which is cool

[01:12:54] Which is amazing and it's amazing. It really is like some of his best work ever But it's see that movie it lacks the sort of like scene that you think he would probably need and then I just heard all the reviews of Gary Oldman in

[01:13:07] Darkest hour where I which I think of just two hours of him like farting on screen practically just being like So he's gonna win an Oscar for most acting in a leading role. I mean he probably is good

[01:13:18] I don't know if I'm gonna be positioned to support it I would say probably because even though he is he's not the lead obviously the girl is the lead Yeah, he's in a lot of the movie but since he's mostly background. Yeah

[01:13:31] There are some scenes where they can't where we sort of stick with him for a little while But a lot of it is more he's coming in being like hey, what are you doing? But Oldman is doing so much acting in Darkest hour

[01:13:40] I think they're gonna give him all four acting He's gonna spill over like a walrus, you know It's just gonna be like flabs of Oldman everywhere. It's gonna be like William Taft in his bath Hey, maybe Oldman will do Taft next yeah

[01:13:50] Like one of our skinniest character actors just decides to play all the like most famously like a large world leaders Yes, and then he's good to a reboot of pie in the sky the Richard Griffiths Pie making detective series that I've evoked before wait was it called that?

[01:14:07] It's called pie in the sky right because of course we talked about it. We talked about it And I hoped you all watch the trailer because if you haven't in the sky look up pie in the sky Richard Griffiths You will have a ball of a time

[01:14:20] now not Balls of a time but a ball of a time He doesn't want to solve crimes anymore. He just wants to make pie I Mean it is said that we lost Richard Griffiths before he could play George R. Martin

[01:14:36] In the biopic Gary old man right a word. He has yet Gary old man's gonna wait way in I hope I hope George R. Martin Has not written a word of those two bucks. Oh Yes, very busy. Okay. I say this I just saw Logan lucky

[01:14:52] I caught up with it. I was late and Everyone had misled me in the reviews of the movie Because everyone's like this movie is the best game of Thrones joke of all time

[01:15:01] It is the best game of Thrones joke of all time, which is totally untrue. Yeah, it has the best game of Thrones routine of all It's a great Segment it has like four minutes. It's really good. Yeah, and Dwight Yocum is amazing in that movie

[01:15:15] An actor that I laughed when he just showed up Yeah, I mean him just showing up is enough for me good And he has a great time in that good look good movie

[01:15:25] Yeah, I don't think George R. Martin has written a word of those two bucks sure good theory I hope when he dies prove me wrong George. I hope he lives a long long time

[01:15:34] Yeah, but I hope when he dies they like crack open the notebook and they go like okay I guess now it's our job You know the estate to finish the book to see what kind of state the manuscript was in and finish editing it

[01:15:47] And they open it up and just 500 pages of doodles It's all like who would win in a fight Daenerys or the Terminator Well, then she would have the dragon but he's got the shadow army

[01:16:05] You know it's like 10 minutes of him sketching that out like a pro and con list has not written over fantasy casting for And like it's not even for game of Thrones. I fuck I can't think of something you know for like my dark man reboot

[01:16:21] That's what used to do me and my buddy Oliver when we were bored in high school We would pick a movie and then we go around the classroom and recast the movie with the people in our class

[01:16:29] Oh, that's yeah. That's a good routine. It was a really fun game Oh man, I was just thinking about how Adam Samly might get rebooted and I got really sad

[01:16:38] I'm really worried about it. Well Oscar Isaac Oscar Isaac's just sort of sitting there right and then someone tweet out Someone who is a really good mortician. I can't remember who it is now I can imagine there's someone someone tweeted out Oscar Isaac and

[01:16:51] You're not gonna beat Ralph Julia. No, he's so good. He left it on the dance floor. He did They're babushka. Yeah More importantly, I think you're not gonna be re-tree She's amazing. That's incredible. You are it is gonna be hard to beat her

[01:17:05] Yeah, and you're not gonna be Barry Sonnenfeld's lighting style of Morticia where you only have lights on her eyes He's a he's a genius in that movie. Yes the way he set that movie up is incredible. Yeah

[01:17:16] His first four movies it really felt like man work cooking with gas here This guy's got to keep knocking him out of the park. Yep And then he didn't anyway tune in next week for our Barry Sonnenfeld mini series

[01:17:28] I do want to do him one day. Yeah, it just gets more and more unpleasant I know the vacation just really goes off the rails the RV goes up runs it runs away. That's a runaway vacation

[01:17:40] Yeah, you're getting big trouble with that one. Yeah, how long can I do this? Yes And the problem is you know, you think he's gonna run out of chances apparently this guy's got nine lives No

[01:17:52] And then one day that we're all gonna be the pushing daisies pilot. I don't know Then the ground yeah, and if I'm wrong about that you can call me men in black three

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