[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check
[00:00:21] Blank Check is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful podcast I've ever known in my life Five Oscars all around and a six to Rachel for producing chat opening She gets two Hello everybody this is Blank Check with Griffin and David, I am Griffin I'm David
[00:00:42] And you know what it is, it's the... Let me just consult my notes here quickly The kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful podcast I've ever known in my life And it's a podcast about filmographies If I can get serious here
[00:00:56] Directors who have massive success early on in their careers and are given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want Sometimes those checks clear, sometimes they bounce and then their movies like this where it's really kind of hard to decide what happened
[00:01:10] Yeah what happened with this? It did okay It did okay Did it right? It did okay For a remake of a beloved movie that no one asked for I feel like it was one of those things where everyone was like why are they doing this
[00:01:21] Then people saw it and they were like it's better than we expected and then no one ever thought about it again And it did alright Yup, I guess that's how you put it I'm taking my sweater off Introduce our guest Geez Louise It's hot in here
[00:01:33] We're talking about the films of Jonathan Demi Mm-hmm It's a mini series but stop making podcasts David's now fucking showing off No I'm not He's got the cat It's hot David 2020 And he's flexin Yeah I'm flexin We went to something called Trolls The Experience this afternoon
[00:01:52] I didn't want to brag I didn't want to start big timing, big dogging our guests here today But we did go to Trolls The Experience which is closing this week We had to get in under the wire Yup
[00:02:03] And I'll just pass around to the room so you guys can see And there's full transparency Oh my god what is he doing? Oh you're taking out your scrapbook And I think it's important that you guys see it as I introduce you
[00:02:14] So you can react in real time To our scrapbook from Trolls The Experience which is coming soon behind a Patreon paywall It's a mini series Sorry I know you haven't introduced me yet No you can talk We want you to talk
[00:02:28] So much crazier than I expected the thing that you were going to hand me Yeah Well you sound stunned Yeah Imagine how we felt We experienced it firsthand Not only did we do this I like this serious brick wall pose We paid to do this We paid money
[00:02:42] We paid American dollars Yup We paid American dollars David bought a Pez dispenser I did? Yeah you got that thing? Yup I got a cupcake Yup Rainbow cupcake And an extra large shirt meant for a small girl Right Which was on a discount
[00:02:58] Which can just about fit you It was my fit It was the closest fit to my body type What's the targeted range range for this? I think 40 men, 30 to 30 Oh you think 40 to 6? I mean we'll talk about it more on the episode
[00:03:11] We'll talk about it on the page But when we walked in they definitely have a button They hit with like It's an irony grudge This reminds me of a time that as a 40 year old man I went alone to the circus
[00:03:20] And sat between a mom and her child And another mom and her child I will say this was kind of like that Except imagine if the way the thing was designed Is that the circus had to be directly performed to you Right In a medium sized room Right
[00:03:36] Like it's supposed to be like Oh this is like a group of like 15 With a mix of adults and children We perform it directly to them And they were like Get all the fucking kids out of there Two of these guys got ironic glasses
[00:03:46] Get them out of here Nasty Because we've got some adults to perform to Yup They did a great job But that's paywall business That's paywall business Right now we're talking mainline miniseries Jonathan Demi Stop making podcasts It's the episode everyone's been waiting for
[00:04:01] His 2004 blockbuster remake of the Manchurian candidate And joining us Long requested Almost since we started the show Absolutely Wow And it's taken five years to will into existence Essentially This turned from something nice into a snub No no it's just you know It's hard to corral
[00:04:21] No and I also feel like when we started talking We realized at some point there was some mystic state Was that when you came over to my bar That's also a front for celebrity coat stealing Correct You got your coach stolen at his bar
[00:04:37] Yes and I want to say Ben and I said in episode We went to a bar and had my coat stealing stolen And someone triangulated went oh my god The flop house guys are going to be on blank Somehow from that amount of information Oh boy
[00:04:51] They said okay that must be Stuart's bar After you got your coat stolen I thought Okay well there goes our friendship There you go It's never gonna happen now You've been rebooked You threw out that cake you had that said Dan plus Griffin
[00:05:04] I'm realizing there was a snub But we're the bad guys This is terrible I mean this is the question it's sort of a Menturi and candidate asked question of Who's the ultimate puppet master here Yeah Why did this take five years I don't know
[00:05:20] You're not actually recording a podcast You're just gonna take my coat and make me leave Right I'm trying to get revenge for my coat The flop house guys are here Dan and Allian, Stuart In the studio Long time coming Now we were saying this When he walked in
[00:05:39] But the Elliott Griffin In the same room at the same time thing Has been thrown around on Twitter as either That will be great or unlistnable That will either be like a match made in heaven Or like an immediately combustible combination I feel like right now
[00:05:56] Things feel pretty calm Yeah you put some chairs between you Well Elliott's a lot lighter on other people's podcasts That is true I'm a very rude host That I'm a very nice guest And I'm still coming down from Having to defuse a six year old meltdown
[00:06:14] Right before this recording So I'm like I'm rebuilding my energy guys But probably about ten minutes in I'll do a lot more talking over people Interrupting them singing songs no one wants to hear You had to affect your sort of grown up energy Yeah exactly
[00:06:30] For once right before coming here And now you're going to slowly recede back into Your calibration is off Little stinker mode Usually when recording Yeah it's all little stinker It's all I'm a widow bad boy Of course People understand that's how podcasting works
[00:06:44] You have to be a little stinker Someone has to be a little stinker You must stink it's true I mean when we started this show I said I want to be very very serious And important and smart And David you said the same
[00:06:56] And then the commissioner podcast came to us And he went I'm so sorry One of you must stink I'll take it I'm smaller Right right right I'll be a little stinker You took the burden Yeah that's right That's why you were twenty minutes late
[00:07:06] To troll the experience today Because I'm on brand You either die a respected podcast host Or you live long enough to be a little stinker See what happens Now I don't want to dip into paywall territory There's no tech dip right in But uh
[00:07:19] This is all good teasers It's a good teasers They foresee to like stand in the weird Like waiting area like off to the side Like I don't know like a candy rope Or something A hundred percent Exactly Like there's like a rainbow archway Yes
[00:07:32] It felt like Ellis Island I will say this And not like visiting Ellis Island today Like visiting it off the boat Upon the early 1900s Upon entering trolls the experience Everyone was very professional and lovely The act of entering trolls the experience Was weirdly hostile Incredibly hostile
[00:07:47] Well that is the experience of being a troll I don't even saw the first trolls movie There in constant danger And this is the difference Once we entered we felt like Oh this is like the fun trolls party Where little people trying to make the best
[00:07:58] Of the world But entering felt like they were trolling us Not like DreamWorks trolling us But actually just in real life trolling us I wanted to take them aside and be like You realize we like paid to do trolls experience Right Like don't give us a hard time
[00:08:12] We're already putting ourselves out here So is the snake the villain? A great question A snake showed up at one point Everyone was like watch out And I was like is he the bad guy? It seems like you have seen the trolls movie
[00:08:22] I've seen enough of the trolls movie That I feel confident saying I don't remember there being a snake in it But I haven't seen any of the ancillary I saw the troll holiday special Better than the trolls movie Surprisingly interesting
[00:08:36] In the trolls movie it's a lot of like Trolls running away from like giant goblins Which are cold I'm not remembering it But I want to say gremblos But it's sort of like Fraggle Rock You can focus group with a bunch of kids Yeah it's like Fraggle Rock
[00:08:52] If Fraggle Rock was computer animators Instead of puppets and there was a lot more Just in Timberlake It sounds a lot like an old lady Who swallowed a fly situation Oh we got trolls, gotta get some goblins In here to take them out
[00:09:05] How are you gonna get these goblins Gotta get a snake The entire process of making the movie Sounds like if you give a mouse a cookie That it just got out of hand We asked the lady who was working there Is the troll the bad guy
[00:09:16] And she was too busy dancing Which is what she should have been doing She was a professional That's right We had to sing this song anyway They guys like John and Demi Dan you have very warm feelings for John and Demi and I have very middling Feelings Interesting
[00:09:37] Weirdly like Science of the Lambs Is the one that was his big hit And that one is one I have only Grown to like that well It was built up for me Stop making sense, do it makes fun of me I mention on the podcast A lot
[00:09:52] Perfect movie It was your spirit animal Love something wild I think it's such a Great movie Like it's got such a weird rhythm to it It has like a sort of a Straightforward story But told in such an interesting way And you love Truth About Charlie right
[00:10:07] That movie is interesting It's kind of interesting It's pretty terrible Lot going on Lot going on I went to see the Hitchcock pasties She did at BAM recently What's that one called Last Embrace I like that quite a bit actually That one's like a solid
[00:10:24] Sort of fastball down the middle He's got a weird fucking film on We have mostly watched all this movies And he has been a wonderful experience Of all the guys who are Respected as kind of like And I feel like he's been elevated quite a bit
[00:10:37] Towards the end of his career Especially since his death For all the guys who are kind of Hold that level His is one of the weirdest all over the It really feels like What movie can I get made right now Okay, that's what I'm doing Yeah
[00:10:48] I mean he always brings to whatever it is Like this kind of like Multicultural downtown New York Feel to what he does Sure And like a big hearted kind of Like worm and empathetic And he has sort of like a recurring Company of actors he pulls from
[00:11:04] He's got very distinct visual style With Ted Levine Charles Napier But it is weird Because he's got a very personal Touch on his films But the choices of what projects He does can seem kind of all over the place He's kind of like
[00:11:17] Here's a comparison I'm going to make Even though I like This other filmmaker's films more That's kind of like John Houston In a big way You look at John Houston's filmography And it's like These are not movies I would expect To all come from the same guy
[00:11:28] When you watch them you're like Okay, these make sense together There's something about them But we talked about this when we did Engley on the show A couple years ago Where he's another guy who Weirdly feels like He's got the mentality of Like a 40's studio filmmaker
[00:11:42] Where it's like past me three a year I just want to take my shot at everything And so often when we're covering Modern filmmakers People are so much more deliberate About their career That when they make a movie That doesn't really work It's like a real calculated move
[00:11:56] That doesn't work And if it's a female filmmaker That makes a movie that doesn't work We never hear of them again Never worked So they're taking outside and shot Or whatever it is Harder does with them I mean it could kind of just Make them go work in
[00:12:06] In Micky B shows or whatever Right You direct 15 episodes Of Last Man Standing Hey He's the Last Man Stand Is that the concept? There's no more men alive In that sitcom world? Uh-huh That's actually a lot of a Different show with a similar title Alright fair enough
[00:12:22] And it's called The Last Guy No more boys No more boys Oh, okay Sorry I was going to refer to A conversation we had before recording Why The Last Man That's one of those things That they talk about all the time That's right Why The Last Man is
[00:12:36] The uncharted of TV Of like prestige That's right And you'll like it never happens Which I guess has been For six months but has lost four Showrunners and might never see The air And the snow piercer Of the TV shows in other ones That's another one
[00:12:48] Where they're like It's going to be on a TNT I don't know Like right now We were talking prior to Recording about the Akira Chaos walking Uncharted moving The long promised We promise that We start tomorrow Definitely we're building sets Yes We have Look at our call sheet
[00:13:07] Everyone's waking up At 5 AM tomorrow morning To start shooting an Akira movie And then at 4.55 they're like Don't show up And to think like just a few years ago We could have added pre-ture to that list And then they made a show Then they did it
[00:13:19] Hey we got good opens We got American Gods It's true a lot of I mean TV obviously TV's been picking up a lot of the slack It's the new movies Yeah it's all witchers now right? Do you know what Everything can't be a witcher I like that witcher
[00:13:32] I gotta say I'm enjoying the witcher You know what L.A. movies is a really good point Some of these things on TV They're like movies These dates I don't know because I was reading Obama's list And some of these TV shows are so powerful
[00:13:44] That they're almost like movies Well it's like every movie I've ever seen I've always been like This would be better if it was 10 hours long Totally And filled with unnecessary padding I like it when you take a while For anything to happen A good long while
[00:13:57] I like the experience of saying This show should be interesting I love the book It's a great concept And then I watch an hour of it And I go Hmm they're exactly in the same place They were when they started this hour
[00:14:08] Why am I watching the man in the high cast I named the thing that I was talking about I like it when they insert At least one motorcycle chase Each hour or two I mean well to be honest
[00:14:17] That is the way that a lot of 80s action shows were Where they were like This scene We find out what the crime is This scene It's a red herring Motorcycle chase Motorcycle chase Motorcycle chase They catch the guy We find out what happened
[00:14:29] And freeze frame we're done You get around to it You know my favorite thing is about movies Tell me The popcorn Well no I was gonna say Like comparing movies to TV Screen scrambers I love going to the movies I love grabbing a big
[00:14:42] You're saying you love to move Buttery pop I love to movie Right I love a big book And a buttery popcorn I love a ticket taker With his little epulence Going like Right this way The sofa screen Right And the little elevator operator Cap or whatever
[00:14:57] And I love sitting down On that giant screen Oh the big curtains Just part The big curtain And the organ plays a fanfare Oh I love it And every time I go The only thing that's missing Is that I was watching this
[00:15:07] In the same room that my laundry bag is in And that's why I love TV I love prestige TV Because I can fully immerse myself In a ten hour movie It's like a ten hour movie I love Martin Scorsese But could I watch it on a phone
[00:15:21] While I'm taking a dump That's my goal Finally yes I can So last man standing has aired 152 episodes We've been talking a lot about last man standing I know a friend of mine Her dad has been a writer Long time for last man standing It's good work
[00:15:34] I'm glad he has it Make that money Hector Elizondo's on it He's cast member one of my favorite movies I'll tell you Caitlin Devere is still on it Despite becoming like the biggest star Of the year this year Nancy Travis Of course Of course So that's like
[00:15:48] I mean I don't know Do the math That's like a 75 hour movie Or whatever It really does play as an intentional 75 hour movie They're telling one story And it's about a man Who cannot get a word And edge wise I think high age cinema
[00:16:04] Said it was the best movie of the year Really Jay Leno recurs on that show Did you know that He plays a guy who works in an auto shop What I'm not kidding A garage Now I want to imagine the moment when they said
[00:16:16] Mr. Leno we want to talk to you about your wardrobe And he said Don't worry I got it What if I know how we actually He's been on 14 episodes Wait I'm sorry Ellie are you implying there's one type of fabric That Jay would be more inclined to wear
[00:16:30] I'm just saying he's skin maybe allergic To all but one type of Gold rush related fabric But surely a dark version of that fabric right No I want to throw some acid on you Oh okay You're going to want to cut down the natural
[00:16:43] Dandruff which he is also Allergic to deathly He likes his denim D***** style Just wasted as much As much acid right to the face Now I think about two major Batman Villains with acid thrown in their face Jay Leno and D***** Oh boy those poor dudes
[00:16:59] Jay Leno I kind of wish Now that I'm thinking about it that Jay Leno Had played the Robertine Euro part In Joker? Yeah That would have been Whoa if the movie had been made 15 years ago he would have Especially given the ending Same The Tim and Eric level
[00:17:17] Special effect gunshot You mean? They actually really is Tim and Eric level My favorite moment of the movie is When he tells the one funny joke in the movie Everyone goes oh you can't say that Oh you can't joke about that
[00:17:27] And I was like that was a pretty good joke I don't know And then you'll be happy to hear Stewart that the d***** himself Spends three minutes scolding the audience For the fact that you can't make jokes About anything anymore Man You can't do it
[00:17:40] Speaking truth to power I mean you can push boundaries But sometimes you might miss Sometimes you might miss And then you end up on mad TV Guys This is an episode on the mature In Canada Can you tell me As we were just talking about success
[00:17:53] I looked this up You can all tell me the most Financially successful Jonathan Demi movie ever made right? Sonsilance Correct Right What's number two Philadelphia That's also true What's number three Mentor in Canada Well he just did it all himself There you go Pretty crazy
[00:18:09] This is his third most successful film And not a huge hit No But here's a weird thing to think about A big summer release Yeah Oh yeah July 30th Yeah he got that like Nolan slot basically Big studio summer blockbuster Well you had Denzel Streep You got Streep
[00:18:26] You got Shribe You got What did you chickenchella? You got Farmig For me? Yeah for me For me young Falcon Young Anthony Mackie Yeah You got young Bill Irwin In one with two lines I think Very young Darken Kane from Veronica Mars Baby face Yeah
[00:18:44] So I looked him up Because he jumped out I went Teddy Dunn From Veronica Mars You're like is he done already? Well Teddy was just getting started Now he's done No but I remember that He left that show Very abruptly in the middle of season two
[00:18:58] And then never saw him again Now I was like what happened to that guy? He's a lawyer now He fights white collar crime So he's actually doing something much better Yeah he left Veronica Mars and got a law degree And now fights against corruption
[00:19:10] He's inspired by Veronica Mars It's right choice considering how boring He was like Veronica Mars He was Duncan? Duncan Yeah This movie's got Ted Levine It's got Miguel Ferrer It's got Chris Franchonisi Romatory Miguel Ferrer playing a part that Never really necessitates a Miguel Ferrer level
[00:19:28] Anytime you see Miguel Ferrer You're like oh he's the villain And the fact that he just kind of like in it He was like one scene Miguel being in it Was a transparent box office play Because in the same way that Will Smith
[00:19:39] Was still the king of the fourth of July Miguel Ferrer owned July 30 That was his weekend Well it was his birthright from his father Who owned it for decades Decades He had squatters rights On July 30 Mentor and candidate Well I mean it feels like
[00:19:58] This is another thing I was thinking about 2004 Sure This same summer has Paramount releasing The Stepford Wives remake That's right They have these two like 60s Or is Mentor and candidate 50s Mentor and candidate 60s 62 Right So these two Stepford Wives is the 70s Is it 70s?
[00:20:15] Yeah I'm sorry But these two These two brainwashing films Right Well Stepford Wives isn't brainwashing It's robo replacing That's the remake No in the old one Is the original as well? Yeah it's also Robo's But it is the same kind of like
[00:20:29] Hey man like society is a thin Gossamer bear Oh yeah yeah Mind benders Right And Scott Rudin produces both of them Interesting What was going on in his life at the time Watching a lot of TCM Bullshit man Scott Rudin was calling up Demi He just had
[00:20:45] Calling up Frank Oz We live in a society Pretty weird that Frank Oz Made the Stepford Wives remake That's what I'm saying Like it was like Here's this big comedy director Here's this big drama director Both have like stack cast
[00:20:57] And it was these films that people were like I don't know if you should remake them And Scott Rudin was like It's time Society has changed We have to comment I mean to be fair If I can take us back to 2004 Because we've all forgotten it
[00:21:09] Because the last four years Are now the entirety of human history Right 2004 was like Pretty bad time Really bad The beginning of the Endless War era Of the United States 100% There was still the And I'll go to We'll see what happens in the next year To four years
[00:21:26] But the worst president of the 21st century So far was in the middle of his run Okay And like it was a real bad time And that's why I think there was this sense of Paranoia and people on the edge Of their seats The edge of their seats
[00:21:40] People on the edge That we've kind of forgotten And also on the edge of their seats If they went to see the Stepford Wives And we're like That's what I'm like paid for that part There was also a naivete Because we haven't seen
[00:21:49] How cracked up society could be And that's why you get a movie Like Managinge and Kennedy At least where it's like Both sides are pretty gross You know what? They're all in the pocket of big business And I'm like Oh America You were so naive then Yes
[00:22:02] But no but you're right The Bush era Especially post Iraq It's like That weird Americana thing had come back Where it's like We just want to live in a house And have a family Are you, why are you against America? You don't want a house with a family?
[00:22:17] There was a lot of talk then about Real America, fake America Who's a patriot is not a patriot And so the time is right And the whole Carl Rove sort of You know anti-gay merit And like it was the time was right For Demi to be like
[00:22:30] The Managinge candidates back Right Like it felt like both of those movies Would get referenced a lot In the news And things like people would like Relate them to real world occurrences They still do with Managinge Right But I'm saying that it felt like
[00:22:45] It was starting to become It was all brainwashing going on these days Right Huge Playing cards But both these films coming Like sort of The resurgence of playing cards Is really I want to play a Solitaire with me No get away Why would he say Solitaire with me
[00:22:58] It's a stupid joke I would It sounds like the micro bigly One man shows Play Solitaire with me I was very disappointed That the Demi version doesn't Update it with like Computer solitaire Because I was hoping it was going to Be sell Something is going to update it
[00:23:14] With like Yu-Gi-Oh or something That would be great Raymond Shaw Which he likes to play He's looking this squirtle Digimon Denzel Washington Beyblading That'd be so funny If he's got to play Digimon But they only have Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh cards Or Magic cards They're like
[00:23:30] Why did you bring all these extra cards You can't trigger him He's got to get to To Bulbasaur Or else he's not going to kill that guy They just replace it with nothing Right They just replace it with saying your name They're replacing it with saying
[00:23:41] Your full name Which seems like the easiest trigger I know I mean I have as a joke That's the same specific I mean you have to say Raymond Shaw Raymond Printish Shaw Unless the mom of someone Is like mad at you Like they're repeating it like Raymond
[00:23:55] Raymond Shaw Raymond Printish Shaw Captain Raymond Print But also What's weird though is that The trigger in the old movie Is very specific Would you like to play Game of Solitaire And it does happen accidentally And that's one of the clues In the movie
[00:24:07] Here it's literally just having Your full name said And there's no accidental triggerings Ever Right and concerning a character You think if someone was walking Through a restaurant with a message Or a telephone for Raymond Shaw Raymond Printish Shaw You give it a couple shots What?
[00:24:20] Right, if he's trying to get his order At Starbucks Right Here's the guy who's in the public sphere Constantly Like you're pointing out Dan It has to be the specific order But also like He's been talking about all the time Also his middle name is famous
[00:24:30] Because his dad Or his mom Right Yeah He does give all three names Just barista It's pretty dangerous Yeah So I'd never seen the original That's crazy And watch both today Congrats Finish the remake Five minutes before recording started Oh my God And you're still shaking
[00:24:47] I can see I'm triggered I thought that was Sweat beating on your forehead But I think it's all glitter Correct Correct It is trolls glitter You had a very busy day We did It took me so long I did not share a lot With those two things together
[00:25:01] And I feel really bad Two mentoring candidates The trolls on the glitter I've been standing here Being like I can't ask Seriously? I know he has so much glitter on him In his mustang You're like I know he went to the trolls experience Yes
[00:25:13] Something was said about glitter earlier I've shown you photos Which tipped off a conversation About the trolls experience I feel like after all this time You should know how dim I am That's true Now I love you as a detective Where it's like
[00:25:25] Oh that's why I did it I did it alright With this knife And I did it Because he was having an affair With my wife And you're like Tricky Tricky It seems a game we shall play If you want to throw Dan off your scent
[00:25:37] You put glitter on the weapon And it'll get us all But why is there glitter? But why was Elton John in the room? What was he doing here? Who invited him? Um But it was a weird thing Because I've heard this film Reference so much
[00:25:50] In so many different ways Right You yourself were briefly a sleeper agent For the mentoring government Correct So this one we had a little hard for me It was a little personal All your good times with your buddies At the MK Ultra project What are they doing now?
[00:26:03] My life was a little more American Old-Tro than mentoring candidates It was kind of rad and edgy But it was the thing of like Watching the original this morning Which Great fucking movie I was like how did they... You guys keep saying the original
[00:26:16] We're talking about Zoolander, right? I will say that was the other thing for me Was like When I saw Zoolander when it came out I was like What a great fucking premise for a movie Where did they ever come up with this? What an incredible hook Stolen Yeah
[00:26:34] Anyway Watching the original today Saturized it Sure The original is so much about The fear of other countries Yes Interfering Classic Cold War paranoia It is the classic It's literally about Russia and China Yes Interfering with an American election So it's like
[00:26:55] If anything, the movie is now more relevant than the remake That's the weird fucking thing Also I weirdly is That's right Even though the remake should be more relevant Where you're like Of course big business They have computers now, cable TV
[00:27:06] And said the one where they use typewriters Is more relevant now I looked up brainwashing Because I just wanted to confirm my own suspicions That like You know, brainwashing as we see it in the movies Is complete Total bunk Nonsense People do get stockponed syndrome
[00:27:22] You say something to someone a lot And they're sitting in a chair People in cults You malnourish them And put social pressure on them And maybe they don't leave But like Brainwashing as we see it in films obviously Is not so But looking at the history of brainwashing
[00:27:38] Did come from Like what they talk about the Manchurian candidate Like fears at the time of Like the Chinese doing this literal thing And so it's just It was interesting Like I was like Oh, that wasn't fanciful Like people believe that that was a possibility
[00:27:53] No, it was the pizza gate of its time Yeah An MK Ultra Which you reference is That's in the 70s And that's them still being like Is there something going on? That's a real program It is a real program But the fake thing is that it worked
[00:28:05] The real thing was that they tried it They're like Oh yeah, no this is a portion They're like Oh well Sirhan, Sirhan That was MK Ultra It's like no was it Like they couldn't do it All they did was drive people crazy With LSD and make them mad
[00:28:15] And one guy They pushed off a building Like that's the Because when I was a kid I was hip deep in conspiracies Loved conspiracies Believed in all of them I made a choice to say The world is more interesting If I believe in all these conspiracies
[00:28:28] Loch Ness Monster also Yes, Bigfoot I want to live in that world But then after Sturney Joe was like Oh, people are kind of like Too dumb to pull this stuff off And also like It doesn't make any sense at all You know Well right
[00:28:40] They all begin to compete with each other as well Especially any time I read like Any entertainment industry conspiracy About like What their plan was With like the fucking Star Wars movie And their agenda They wanted it to be bad Right That was their plan All along
[00:28:54] I'm like I want you to spend Five minutes In any boardroom meeting On any set They are so fucking disorganized At all times That all of human history Is people trying desperately To keep up with the work They need to get done Correct
[00:29:08] The idea that there is like A council somewhere that's like Yes And here's the ten year plan That will lead to world domination Instead it's just a lot of people being like Uh What's the easiest thing I could do right now Like there are terrible people
[00:29:20] With terrible motives in the world But also No one is that fucking organized No one's gonna get their shit Together to that degree How many people there are Making these things So many There are a lot of people There are a lot of people
[00:29:30] The answer with Star Wars Is this it was like It was supposed to come out On that day And they just It was too soon They couldn't finish it I don't know I think they were trying To indoctrinate us Yeah you're right
[00:29:41] And of course they wanted to sabotage JJ Abrams' career That was it They Guys I read a thing I heard a rumor rather Okay It turns out they sold Like a hundred thousand percent Of the shares in Star Wars And only a huge flop
[00:29:56] Would make them get away with Keeping all that money Oh my God So it's the producers Yes The producers of Star Wars Are the producers Oh my God They planned it It was their brilliant plan To only make nine hundred million Dollars worldwide Shit Only then
[00:30:11] Could they make a profit It is this crazy thing That we're like Manchurian Candid Has this like Central sort of like Hightened sci-fi hook to it But in both movies The like evil influences Kind of right on the money Like isn't as organized and as clean
[00:30:26] And as focused As it's like said to be But like you're like Right, yeah Foreign corruption And big business Big business Yeah It says like a hundred percent What we're fighting on I feel like if he just gave a guy A bunch of money
[00:30:38] He would do what you wanted Totally Right, this thing is like You can't just brainwash him You can moneywash him There's a knock on the trees With one billion dollars That was the comment I want to see the movie in the theaters When it came out
[00:30:48] With my friend Brock Mayhem Just gonna name drop Brock Mayhem Oh wow So you know I've never heard of him Hopefully the heavy's a great guy But we went to it And we walked out of the theater And he goes So what would they have
[00:30:59] A president who's even friendlier To big business Right Like this is when George W. Bush Was in the White House And Dick Cheney was the vice president Like how is it gonna get More friendly to big business That's a fair point Right What does Manchurian Glide
[00:31:11] Global really need They're putting a lot of money In to get maybe a marginal improvement In business friendliness And also like The more the Russia trail Is like exposed The more you realize Like half these guys were Probably just complimented And then they signed up Right Yeah
[00:31:26] You know they were like Paul your jacket looks great And he's like where do I help How What do you need Who should I investigate Happy to roll up my sleeves But this movie This movie is set in a sort of Like quasi future It's kind of weird
[00:31:42] It's like the Like four years in the future Future Right Exactly The not-distant future You know America's getting a little more You know Democracy is beginning to bleed away Maybe kind of It is a lot more sci-fi in the tech too Which the original
[00:31:55] Is very kind of analog It's all just like Crazy mind game shit There's that sequence in the original That's unbelievable Where you see them all In the meeting where they're being sort of Presented to all the world With the flower show Yes Yes That is like unbelievable But
[00:32:13] You don't see a lot of the conversion No You don't see a lot of operations There's no brain drilling And I think that really I love the original movie The original movie has long been one of my favorites And like the It's John Frankenheimer's best movie Like it's
[00:32:27] One of the things I love about it Is it's so matter-of-factly made The suspense scene is really suspenseful But all the brainwashing stuff Is shot so straight on And kind of like Almost unimaginatively And so it's like And you don't see the actual Mechanics of the brainwashing
[00:32:41] So you don't have to be like Uh Would they really put like a chip In a dude's shoulder Like how would that help Like but It's the shoulder connected to the brain I guess it is a little bit But Then it helps for me to build The weirdness
[00:32:52] Like the reality of it That like it's not goofy weird But here it's like They really get into the sci-fi of it And his dream sequences are like Goofy crazy I love them I love those sequences It's like weird Terry Gilliam Like 12 puppies Like suddenly there's a lady
[00:33:05] There's a Muslim lady With a huge apple or tomato in her hands And the drawing style Jeffrey writes drawing styles And they're watching like a real Man with a big nose And he's like And he's like And he's like And he's like And they're watching like
[00:33:17] A rotoscoped cartoon It's interesting that you say that About the original though Because I feel like one thing That these two have in common For me is they have like this Bizarre tone And I kind of wonder if that's Partly because of the What I said before
[00:33:33] Like we all like inherently know That brainwashing of this kind Is bunk But there is like this creepy thing About someone like Getting inside your head And messing around with it Oh yeah I mean And so they play it like With this weird Like off-kilter
[00:33:46] Both of them have different kinds Of all off-kilter tones Well I think the off-kilterness Of the original is partly because It's a pretty funny movie at times Like there's really solid jokes in it And this one Sinatra is also just like Popping in that movie He's so charismatic
[00:34:00] He's so charismatic and also So nuts Yeah he's really good in that movie He's somehow really charismatic While also being clearly about to Can I, I forget if I swear You can be so swearing Okay he is totally about I say the worst word ever And you're like
[00:34:13] Why'd you say that? Jesus Christ Like he is clearly about to lose his shit At every moment But he is also super smooth And charismatic And in this movie Denzel Washington is Instead of being a guy who's about To lose his shit
[00:34:24] He's a guy who's lost his shit Right and he is like Feels dangerous Like watching the movie I'm uncomfortable Like I don't want to be In the room with the screen It doesn't help that Like a lot of those shots Are so like straight on Whether it's him
[00:34:35] Or when they're shooting When the shot is of Rosie And it looks like Like it's from his perspective And it's like You don't know if he's Like going strangler Or something Classic Demi down the middle Yeah Down the middle And the lens I think Denzel Washington is like
[00:34:50] If anything a little too good In the movie Because I'm like I buy him too much as a man Who is falling apart And getting dangerous But it's a weird He's not doing Like that opening I believe the opening shot Is him in the Humvee Where he's like
[00:35:03] What I don't want to do Is go on the right And you're like Oh it's Denzel I love Denzel Right and then he never does That again Like you never see him In classic like Is deja vu Denzel Once you get to present day I mean his introduction
[00:35:16] Is him giving that speech To the Boy Scouts And even then he's shaken And that's before he starts To feel really That's before Jeffrey Wright Comes up and says Hey man what are you doing And you're like Oh god What happened to Jeff Give him some half glasses
[00:35:28] To look over Has he lost the source code Jeff Get it back Look I love Jeffrey Wright He's an actor Who gives you a lot Yeah He is not subtle And he's also And he's willing to do And my brother was going on and on
[00:35:42] About how much he loved seeing him On Rick and Morty talking about Poof He's great on hearing him Great on Rick and Morty And I like that he's kind of creative And he can be kind of theatrical And all of that But to say to Jeffrey Wright
[00:35:53] Hey we got one scene for you And you just need to be the craziest man Exactly Is a little dangerous But Yeah But he's going Well he's doing this thing He's doing a lot He's doing this thing He's emptied the entire Perpreka bottle onto the sandwich
[00:36:07] I do think that like For me this movie's biggest problem I mean like there's certainly nits to pick with it But the biggest problem Is it's merely a good movie When the first one is brilliant Right And I think Demi for me is doing
[00:36:21] As much as he can With a script that sort of suffers From a lot of 90sitis In that like Jeffrey Wright for instance Is like A very traditional thriller Crazy guy Who has like an evidence wall and stuff Just one type of enemy in the state Or whatever
[00:36:39] Conspiracy to it It's got a lot of net in it A lot of net Yeah not net The screenwriters on this Are pretty standard Like studio 90s 2000s thriller guys And there's all Whatever The script they kind of Were like rewriting on the fly That's the thing
[00:36:53] I mean it feels like They Because the weird thing with this movie Is that I forget what studio maybe MGM released it originally But then Or United Artists It was a UA film Right But then it came out The assassination And people got kind of
[00:37:07] Scared off of it It came out the year before I believe But yeah very close to it The campaign year before But it was a combination of The assassination happening right Afterward Back then like movie rollouts Were much slower So the movie could have been playing And then
[00:37:20] That was the thing That they kind of Slowed it out of there And there was a rights issue That kept it out of the public eye For 20 years Well but a big key of that Is that Sinatra himself At some point bought the rights back Yeah
[00:37:31] Hey give me those rights Right cause he Resented the fact That the UA didn't do enough with it Yeah And then in like the 80s They re-screened it At the New York Film Festival And kind of got reclaimed And started being played on TV again
[00:37:43] And the opening title card Of this movie is like a It's his daughter What's his daughter doing Yeah his daughter produced This movie Tina Sinatra It's a Scott Rudin Slash Tina Sinatra film She was the one The whole time Who was like We need to remake
[00:37:57] The Manchurian candidates The rights after he passed And she was the one Who kind of willed This movie into existence I was curious about it Imagine they at some point Just hire writers and go Make the obvious 90s version of Manchurian Candid Right Make the thriller
[00:38:09] And then when Demi comes on He's a little bit too sensitive And thoughtful of a filmmaker To ever make that straight a version But you have like the bones Of a very conventional studio version Of this movie Which is always going to be unconventional Because it's thorny material
[00:38:23] Sure Then you cast a guy Who's like such a fucking movie star And when you hear it in your head You're like Denzel's going to play this Sinatra part And make it so cool And so confident Sure And then you zag in the opposite direction Where it's like
[00:38:36] But when this was announced It was announced right I remember it Right after Truth About Charlie Yeah And it's like he's doing another remake Of a beloved classic Like why is he doing this? And this was I mean house on days But you go
[00:38:49] This was that period of time Where anytime a studio announced They were remaking classic movie You were like Ugh, this again And if any studio announced That they were making A $60 million remake Of a classic film Would be like finally Yeah, great, sure Good, good
[00:39:01] You're releasing it in the summer I can't believe it All the classics Make them again That's true But then it would be The classic film shared universe The dark classics And it's like Rick has to leave Casablanca So we can get on the African Queen
[00:39:15] And meet the godfather You know And he's played by Noah Centineo Noah Centineo would play all of them Harvey the Revit Has to assemble them all together To stop Charles Foster Kane Who has got the Philadelphia story He's got some magical thing From Thief of Baghdad
[00:39:31] He has the Maltese Falcon I mean this is essentially The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen At this point In this world You can buy the IP For just classic movies They'll throw them all in together Because we own classics The classics But they all have powers now So like
[00:39:43] That's not a bad idea Like Jimmy Stewart Knits a wonderful life He has the ability to come back From the dead And see alternate He can talk to angels He's got angels and walk between The world And he's got a A lot of people And he's got a
[00:39:55] A lot of people He can talk to angels He's got angels and walk between Alternate universes And it's driven him insane You have to get him out of a sanitarium Like I like the idea though That like every lead character From the movie gets the power
[00:40:06] The magical power of the Central hook of their movie I have a question Can we work Fortnight Like can this begin Or end in Fortnight? Well the pull-off, okay all right It's bookended on Fortnight Good good good What if Fortnight was like Our next campaign is
[00:40:19] Turn a classic movie Finally you can have N'Nochka kill Kill a lot of people Kill Gene Kelly And sing it in the rain finally N'Nochka would be part of my dark classic And then he's got to wait around While his powers get up from cool down
[00:40:35] We know a guy He can sing in the rain Like that's the briefing meaning They throw down At the end he would create He would like use his hands To control a tidal wave That washes away the wizard I don't know But also the high note he hits
[00:40:49] While he's controlling And it's all the rain I don't know it'd be good movie We got two months to pitch this Until media disappears Until it's done But no it does feel like This movie is so a product of Like the last window of them
[00:41:06] Viewing that as a bankable thing Of like the movie, a classic movie That title sells itself And you put top tier talent on it You can throw it in the summer Like this was a movie They had aspirations of having Oscar success for sure
[00:41:17] But also you don't release it In July unless you think It's gonna make money No they sold it They did in July They did to Sully They did to Sully Unless it's Because there's always the kinds Of things where it's like What have you promised to the filmmaker
[00:41:29] Who's been, what have you promised To Denzel Washington Right If Denzel Washington's gonna be attached You know he's gonna want it To be a big release and that kind of thing Right, so you got that Right, he can flip between This is just a thriller Released in September
[00:41:40] And like this is an Oscar play And this feels like for Denzel It's more of a thriller play Yeah But this is also that A very general period Post adaptation Where pre-devil wears product Right, that's the big But still But she's trying stuff
[00:41:55] You know like she's in a series Of unfortunate events And she's in like the Altman movie And you know I don't know Perry Holmes she's really good at She is really good at that Played the Queen Ant to the Ant Bowling So put that in your pipe
[00:42:06] She's not great in that No she's not good No she phoned that one in I have seen that film That film was weirdly about communism Okay Well it is an ant movie It's actually not that weird To make an ant movie about communism You're right It is
[00:42:18] It's our inherently communist Okay so let me rephrase No ants are fascists Well sure I just mean that they are a commune Oh yeah that's fair But they are fascist communes It is under the command of one One dictator Guys once we're talking about ants
[00:42:30] How do you get them out of a house Because I've had some ant problems this year Well if you listen to I know that James Taylor on The Simpsons Talked about creating a vacuum To shove them out of a house So I have to shoot into deep space
[00:42:42] Well but there's also If you want to Just shoot them with a gun Like in that film Heston movie right I think if you watch the movie Mousetrap too There are a lot of lateral moves That you can apply over the
[00:42:52] You just shrink everything they do by like 20% Shrink and multiply And the naked jungle He tries to shoot at the ants Yeah that's crazy It's like in the movie Save the Green Planet Where the bad guy unleashes Or not bad guy It's a questionable
[00:43:05] Who's the good guy or who's the bad guy Unleashes a swarm of bees That the police detective investigating him And he just is firing into the swarm And you see one bee fall to the ground I love that movie It's so much better than if it had just
[00:43:18] It had not done anything Yeah it was just a shot of one bee falling They got one What was I going to say? Demi You were talking about the mainstream candidate It's Meryl Meryl Yeah Meryl is in that zone We were saying earlier today
[00:43:30] Lea Shriver was in that sort of pocket That like Peter Sarsgard was in In the 2000s as well Where they were like This guy's going to be the guy At some point right Yeah there's something going on here Right I mean This led up to
[00:43:42] This led up to Ray Donovan right? Yeah Ray Donovan Well this is leaning up to his Inexplicably or Explicably I don't know I do think this is a Ray Donovan prequel You know he directed, wrote and directed Everything is illuminated Right after that Which we all remember
[00:43:57] Think about and watch all the time His weird passion project Huge release Jonathan Saffron IV is just two for two With his amazing adaptations of his books His masterpieces It's like how Ewan McGregor Made an American pastoral movie Like everyone's just like No he didn't No he didn't
[00:44:12] That's like and James Franco continues to pump out Faulkner movies Of course And an amazing clip that they're never seen by He's got a dark Faulkner universe Well I mean Faulkner did have one county All his characters were in it Yeah it's true it's true
[00:44:22] If you ask people on the street Like how many movies do you think James Franco has directed They'd be like I've heard of ones so I'm guessing three Right And you'd have to tell them He's made six Faulkner films alone He's made like 18 movies Today
[00:44:36] Yes he's made like 18 films And six of them are Faulkner adaptations He's like Norman Mailer Where you're like Yeah Norman Mailer made a movie right Oh no he has a larger filmography Than Ryan Johnson So fucking strange Remember when Liam Sharpe was saber tooth? Yeah
[00:44:49] He just had big cybers He was the more sensitive saber tooth I think that's a good performance It's not a good performance I think it's a good performance I think a movie is a disaster Terrible One of the worst But at least he has an idea
[00:45:00] I say I'll give him that It's possible for a good performance To be in a bed movie I give it J Mr. F*** yeah No it's certainly possible I don't think it gets to good performance Because he doesn't do fucking anything
[00:45:11] But that's why it's such a good performance He's playing against type for saber tooth He's supposed to be a wild man Yeah I think it's a good performance I think you have a previous professional wrestler Playing the part who only growls
[00:45:23] Who only growls and looks like a cat Swipes up And instead they're like Forget the cat forget the growling You're kind of like a you know Broadway dramaturg Kind of drama queen kind of guy And you got long nails and cyber Well and it's the Liam thing
[00:45:35] Of just like it's incredibly quiet Aggression Like yeah He never pops He's not an aggressive saber tooth He's a passive aggressive saber tooth I don't like Wolverine Literally You can imagine He just had sideburns You can imagine saber tooth Victor Creel has been
[00:45:53] He's been invited to a party And they're like yeah and Wolverine's going to be there And he's like oh god This was the look It's terrifying This was the look I mean it's tough to see He looks like he jumped out From behind the bush And he's like
[00:46:04] I'm still haunted by the way He runs in that where he's clearly floating Above the ground Right and he's just sort of doing this But it's also It's a four legged Yes it's a four legged But yes you are right
[00:46:14] He plays it as if he just dislikes Wolverine I wonder if like in early rehearsals He tried to keep being bigger and bigger And that just made Hugh Jackman Get bigger and bigger And he has to call it a like And Hugh Jackman when he gets bigger
[00:46:26] He has to sing It's just like That movie is like His ultimate nemesis is saber tooth And it's a guy in a trench coat Who's grumpy But everything in that movie is like that That movie is so weird That movie is so weird
[00:46:37] I want to do the Wolverine saga And that is the movie where You take the merc with a mouth And you have him not have a mouth There's no mouth He is sensibly the final boss And he doesn't talk And Wolverine loses his memory
[00:46:51] Because he gets hit on the head real hard I believe he gets shot with a bullet He gets shot with a bullet Because he has an adamantium skull It doesn't kill him But he's just like Oh it's a memory wiping bullet
[00:47:02] It is one of those damn memory bullets Yeah I wanted to mention Just so I don't forget Like for a dark guy He certainly wears a lot of yellow So you know Does he Yellow, orange And orange He's a very bright and colorful fellow
[00:47:17] He is a flamboyant guy And I want to play him like Brushing out his sideburns In front of a mirror That's another thing He was very well groomed Because like In the movie or in general On the first singer movie He's kind of gnarly and feral
[00:47:30] But then when you see Saber tooth in the comics You're always like He feels very well arranged Everything's very well trimmed Well that was in the fortnight They did before it He goes on Queer Eye And they really They made jazz him up
[00:47:41] I like his old body suit With the furry roughs Yeah Slashes on it Yeah he almost looks like A football mascot or what Like you know Like he could be He's got that weird headgear The headband that was in there That hair sticking out
[00:47:54] That Cyclops had for a while Right Yeah he's a great costume Great guy He's a really good guy Great guy We love him Murderer He doesn't hang out with Birdie anymore Remember her? Who? Birdie She was the psychic She had a thing called The bird from McDonald's
[00:48:10] You remember that Saber tooth And Birdie dated in the 90s Why not? They're both animal people It's like when Glenn Close And Woody Harrelson dated And you're like I guess When it was Frank Langella and Whoopi Goldberg You know like okay Yeah they love each other
[00:48:23] One of the all time great Celebrity couples I played Saber 2000 A young Frank Langella Would have been a great Saber tooth He was a ok Dracula Oh so here's the thing I wanted to say sorry He was a good Skeletor Great Skeletor
[00:48:34] As good as the Skeletor is going to get Unless it's Willem Dafoe Who would have been the ideal Skeletor Too big a Venus You'd be right that tissue Should have brought it away If we hope and we pray And we cross our fingers Noah Centineo will fight
[00:48:48] Willem Dafoe Skeletor yet That how ironic it was For me watching the movie now Also to see John Voight playing The most liberal senator in America When he is now the craziest conservatives Where is he at this point in his life At that point In 2004
[00:49:04] Is this sort of when he's like Made good with Angelina Jolie I think so Well it was like tenuous As good as they were going to get Because remember he plays FDR In Pearl Harbor just a couple years earlier 2001, three years earlier And but in that same year
[00:49:17] He plays her father Lord Croft himself That's right And it felt like a big thing It was like an olive branch Where it's like we're going to be In a movie together We're trying to mend the relationship And he did He's in Zoolander of course Of course
[00:49:29] I've seen Zoolander He's in Ali He's kind of Popping right now In fact He's in National Treasure Right I mean he was very available And I think he needed money Yes How close is this to when he started Bratz What about the Bratz movie? Yeah Bratz is definitely 2007
[00:49:46] When did he produce Baby Geniuses and Baby Geniuses 2 Well this is all the same See I'm very fascinated With this And I've never quite figured it out But there's Crystal Sky Productions Which is the Paul family No relation to Jake And Logan Paul Crystal Sky Pictures I'm sorry
[00:50:01] Ah correct But they produce Bratz The Baby Geniuses That filmed The Legend of Simon Kandur Do you remember that? It sounds kind of familiar Where it was like John Voight in a fat suit And it was like a bunch of kids Who have to solve a mystery
[00:50:14] Nope I don't remember that I thought it was something You're talking about something totally different All the weird family films That John Voight's in Are all through this one production company Crystal Sky Pictures So Bratz was three years after this Yes Okay And he started to really tank
[00:50:28] In which he played Principal Dimley You say that like we don't know that Did you know that he played a taxi driver In Baby Geniuses In the Mystery of the Crown Jewels My point is that he also And then he played Mori Artie In Baby Geniuses
[00:50:40] In the Treasure of Egypt My point is I just learned that If I am not mistaken He also has producer credits On all of these films Because he is not even the first He is an executive producer Of all Baby Geniuses
[00:50:50] And he is not in the first place Definitely the Baby Geniuses ones Because I believe he was a guest On The Daily Show When I worked there I was like, wow I'm gonna promote Baby Geniuses The first one The first one Which he was not even in
[00:51:01] Because they I remember But can you give me the credit block Of Baby Geniuses The first five I think I can do this Do you think you can do this Nope Look When I turned 38 I said I gotta be realistic About myself Right
[00:51:17] I can't pretend to know things I don't And I'm 30 So ready I'm gonna come in hot I believe the first build In Baby Geniuses Is Kathleen Turner Correct Is third Peter McNichol Third is Kim Cattroll Fourth is Peter McNichol Okay I buy that order I buy that order
[00:51:34] Even now I would buy that order I buy it I was thinking McNichol Off Valley McBeal But you're right It's section of the city Was number 3 Even Sophie's Choice Is not breaking number 3 Exactly Even Dragon Slayer He's not breaking number 3 The movie he starred in
[00:51:48] Yeah, he's after the dragon There's a dragon in it Can you give me the fifth It's a legendary Oscar nominated actress It's a legendary Oscar nominated actress I wanna see Okay Yeah That was my test Elliot laughed really hard at it Only because Not at the person
[00:52:03] Because the person I respect deeply Right But at the Unlikely And the unlikelihood That this is the name That you're going to come Unless you've seen Baby Geniuses I have But when it came out in theaters 20 plus years ago 99, right? No Baby Geniuses is Let's see First one 98
[00:52:20] No, it's 2006 Or something like that Baby Geniuses I think that's Baby Geniuses too Jesus, I'm on Lee Shriver I have Gulf Wars syndrome And my computer Oh, god, too many tabs It's definitely 1999 Thank you The first Baby Geniuses 1999, you're right Oh, so you know what?
[00:52:34] So I didn't work at the Daily Show the time He must have been promoting Baby Geniuses Two super babies I don't know Maybe But I don't remember him being in the clip That's the thing I think I saw it Maybe there was no usable clip
[00:52:43] Of him in that movie That's possible And he is the villain in two Yeah It sounds like he's the villain I mean, I love the idea That those characters must be brothers Or something Like he's just the villain Very possibly There's one bloodline that includes Moriarty Moriarty
[00:52:56] And they retconned the first one So it was part of the John Voigt bloodline Okay Can you guess this one-time Oscar nominee? And here's my question Was her one nomination for Baby Geniuses? No Okay, fine That narrows it down
[00:53:10] But it was one of those late in life nominations That was sort of like a salute to your career It is not Lauren Bacall No This is one where I feel like You're more likely to get it If you name his, you name his spouse
[00:53:20] Can you guess someone? Ellen Burstin? Another great guess but no Are we sort of in the right zone? Yes I mean, you're naming good old actresses Is it Lena Redgrave? No But one late in life Good actresses At the point that Baby Geniuses comes out
[00:53:37] She's not an Oscar nominee And she won't be for like another six or seven years Wow, huge Can you tell me the name of the character? The name of the character I think this is what might crack it for me Margot So you know she's at a wedding
[00:53:51] Definitely She has to be This is what people tune into this show for It's a popular show This is like a Houdini show where Houdini would say, they're locking me up And then the curtain would go down And people would stare at the curtain For minute after minute
[00:54:05] Just imagining what was going on behind it Thrilled An honor to get and sit there And look at a curtain You asking me, would I go to that show? You're damn right I would go to that show While you're trying guys
[00:54:15] I'm gonna give you all the taglines from Baby Geniuses Please do And this is now an episode about Baby Geniuses Think innocent Think helpless Think again That's tagline A Pretty sneaky And then below the title Naps are history That's right
[00:54:31] Which is not, even no matter how genius they are Babies still need naps Everyone needs to sleep They're very small babies They barely digest food I mean the babies, all they do is Eat and sleep And again the things that happen when you eat
[00:54:44] You know the food comes out Alright I'm calling this This is an older actress who doesn't get nominated until like 2005-2006 2008 is when she gets nominated 2007 2007 She gets nominated for a 2007 film At the awards in 2008 2007 film starring the star of the Manchurian candidate You're gonna get it now
[00:55:04] It's a Denzel movie Is it Ruby Dee? It's Ruby Dee Ruby Dee That's right It's Fifth Build Fifth Build in Baby Geniuses And I'm sure she got residual checks For the rest of her life Well we're done right? Thanks for calling guys I do want to ask
[00:55:20] I am a listener There's a super smart baby But I do It was all in the title But I'm also I'm also catching up with the old episodes So on new episodes Do you usually talk this little about the movie? Often Depends It depends
[00:55:41] Dan's wondering if we're ruining our podcast I don't mind it No I don't think so I want to see whether we're coming in like the Marx Brothers We actually did talk a lot about the Manchurian candidate just then We did some go- In the Baby Geniuses talk?
[00:55:53] No we did get some talk In a certain way it's a weirdly hard movie to talk about I think he has, as we were saying Forefronted a lot of the thriller elements The thing that's kind of fascinating about this movie is Comparing all the changes it makes
[00:56:12] It definitely has that remake thing where they view the original film as Like, okay what can we clean up on the second draft So there are things like Because in the first one it is The Angela Lansbury mother character Does not appear in the film very much
[00:56:28] That reveal happens very late I suppose that's true It's an iconic Oscar nominee performance She's great in it But you don't know that she's part of the Spoiler alert I guess You don't know that she's part of the plot Until, yeah very close to the ending
[00:56:42] Having watched it this morning It's a lot of just like oh my god What an overbearing sort of career I suppose Meryl reveals herself to be fully invested Like what an hour and twenty minutes in But also just the film centers her a lot
[00:56:56] And also she's more outwardly villainous throughout She's Meryl Streep, she's second-build I mean like in the original it's Sinatra Lawrence Harvey Lawrence Harvey, Janet Lee And then it's also starring You know that it's like They've got a case of Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy
[00:57:14] Where I'm like I think the mole is The other big name actor in the movie And all these are going to be Toby Jones But it is I think also that problem too Where like the Angela Lansbury performance Becomes so iconic and she's another
[00:57:26] Reference point is like oh like a Manchurian mother you know That they just know like no one's Going to get duped by this Well there's I think it's in Roger Ebert's Review at the time where he talks about They have wisely decided
[00:57:39] The audience knows what the movie is about So why are we going to extend this mystery I think they were not wise because it's like Even a movie like Jacob's Ladder Which is crazy, they ease you into it
[00:57:49] A little bit whereas this it's like right off the bat You're like ba ba ba, crazy Everyone's crazy, crazy And one of the changes they made That baffled me at the time and I still don't get Is there's some You opened the film with Wyclef John covering
[00:58:03] Fortune and Song? That's a real opening I was like this is whatever's on my nose It's this, whatever it's on It's my nose but the That in the original movie About halfway through the movie or so You learn about this romance That Raymond Shaw had
[00:58:21] That his mother broke apart It was the daughter of this senator Who's the enemy of his stepdad And oh what's the name of the actor Gregory Who's the stepfather in the old one He's so great and he's in beneath the plan of the apes
[00:58:35] And he was on Barney Miller For years but James Gregory He's so funny, he's a General Ursus Such a fucking good performance And he You learn about this thing and then They reconnect and they fall in love And they elope And then he's triggered to
[00:58:57] Just along the way while he's killing somebody else They say wipe out all witnesses and he has to kill her And it's when he realizes it later It's shocking because this is someone he was in love with In this movie right off the bat
[00:59:07] He's like you know I think about Yusiele And she's like it's over, I've moved on I'm like literally like You're a creepy stalker and I don't want to be near you He's like oh okay so I know he's gonna kill them later
[00:59:19] Cause that's the plot but like it seems weird that Now he doesn't have to feel that It doesn't feel that bad about it No no no she deserves no sympathy No no no he deserves no sympathy But it's like it
[00:59:31] Now I sound like a monster but it does I know where he's staying It's on that moment quite a bit He is less of a person in this movie Cause yeah He's really kind of a co-lead near original It goes back and forth between a lot
[00:59:43] Although Harvey is kind of sort of glassy in that movie Harvey as an actor is kind of a cold actor Yeah so it works really well for that movie He's got that very clenched sort of steely Erudite kind of thing
[00:59:53] He's a guy who always seems like he's got a whole He's gotta repress everything And then leave Shriver he gets some of that I guess But then it's like I don't believe him As a presidential candidate Especially not when some guy just Biting stuff out of his shoulder
[01:00:07] I mean that is, that's a wild moment He's like Jesus get out of here You know that's his way And security's like well are you okay And he's like go away He's not gonna press charges I'm like I don't know if that's the kind of thing
[01:00:21] That you have to do Like you've never seen a vice presidential He's got a shoulder bite attack before Come on Here's the thing I'll say I don't fully buy him as a presidential candidate But this was the era of John Edwards That kind of like America
[01:00:39] Especially the Democrats were sort of like We just need an action figure guy Isn't that what it'll do it We'll beat Bush by just finding The blandest most like broadly He should stand in an amber field Of grain right like that And Shriver's doing that
[01:00:55] But he also does have that weird Underlying anger You know it's like Like the Savortooth He's got a kind of Savortooth in this movie And his nails are very long And he does get from He gets from one place to another By kind of hovering on all fours
[01:01:15] And pawing at the air But he's got a wire It's like when you see a very small dog walking around And its feet are barely touching Wait I don't know how anything works Yeah yeah it's like It's kind of like floating over the air
[01:01:29] Like the legs are too short to reach the ground It's like a little puppet type thing It's like when like Yogi smells a picnic basket And his nose sort of pricks up And then his whole body just sort of follows Like a Monterey Jack situation Yes exactly
[01:01:42] Glad for you for updating it for today's youth Yes the Great Monterey Jack We all know the Great Monterey Jack A War Hero A War Hero No but it is an interesting thing that like He's named that because his jacket's made out of Monterey cheese
[01:02:00] No he's from Monterey His name is John Maustin And he's from Monterey They call him Monterey Jack There is that big structural difference We're in the original film where you're kind of jumping back And forth between Sinatra and Harvey You're not seeing Landsbury much at all
[01:02:18] And until the end she just feels like she's like part of this sort of Window dressing of the world that they're building Although you know a colorful performance But doesn't feel like she's part of this larger plot But the Sinatra character also is not
[01:02:33] Like seemingly going mad in the same way As much as he has a nerdy energy Sinatra always keeps it cool and is not part of the plot That everyone's like this guy might be losing his fucking mind
[01:02:43] Washington has that energy of like if he walked into a grocery store Someone would be like get out of here What are you doing? You can none, none, none, none That's one thing I enjoyed about the movie I don't think it's necessarily a better choice
[01:02:55] It's just a different choice But I did kind of like that this movie got across to me Like this particular horror Of knowing that someone has messed with your brain And the paranoia I mean I like any movie that's about someone who's right Getting increasingly manic
[01:03:11] To a degree where no one will believe that I don't like that because I've been living it for so long I think what I like about it That I feel represented where I see a movie where someone is 100% correct Stop biting my shoulder
[01:03:23] There's a chip in there also, you're delicious And even the glitter helps I like that scene where he first digs the chip out of his own shoulder And then she startles him And he drops it and he's like fumbling with an open knife And just thinking about it
[01:03:38] And she's like you alright bro? And he's like yeah, yeah And it's revealed she's an agent And you notice that he's got a bloody wound on his shoulder I was telling my wife I'm like oh no, that's simple He just needs to open the p-trap
[01:03:52] I thought it was such a nice mix of funny and horrible too Because it is like It could be a sitcom It's up there in some ways with my favorite moment of Minority Report When he drops his eyeball Or drops the eyeball he brought with him I guess
[01:04:06] And he's like it's bouncing along the ground It's always good to throw some hijinks into your paranoid parlor I think with Denzo Washington's performance Sorry to interrupt you It's like it works so well But what doesn't work is the other characters don't react to him
[01:04:19] The way you would react to a crazy Maybe like 10% too crazy And that is the weird shift Is like Sinatra is just kind of driving the plot As like the guy who's figuring the whole thing out And when he presents his theories to people they're like
[01:04:32] That's crazy, go take a vacation But no one's like, you know He's not being chased in the same sort of way He's not like He's like You make a lot of good points You should probably just take this right to Shaw He's like
[01:04:49] You have a, and I shouldn't say crazy about someone But you have a printout of a scientist face From the internet And you have something that you found on an article About that same scientist This is lining up
[01:05:01] It is the era when you could just look on something on the internet And people are like Oh this was on the internet? And you use printer ink on this? I'm pretty sure You did go on the information superhighway This is a post-Golf War movie
[01:05:15] Rather than a post-Korea war And Golf War Syndrome Like it's feeding into the Golf War Syndrome thing Which was sort of like Why do these guys all got inexplicable diseases And mental illnesses Post-Golf War that no one could really explain And it felt so conspiratorial
[01:05:33] The thing that America seems to have to learn after every word Is that war fucks people up really badly It's real rough on folks Hold on, how come when you went over and you killed all those human beings And you got hurt You're not totally okay now
[01:05:45] It costed fear that one or both of those things would happen At any moment He keeps going up, he's like I'm having weird dreams And everyone's like I know Ben it's alright You're on the other side now We all know the war fucks people up
[01:06:01] And they pumped you full all sorts of weird shit But then the other change they're making Is that you know Eleanor Prentiss-Sha In 1962 the idea of a female senator Who would run the show Was obviously that's not a thing But now they can play in that
[01:06:17] They can give her a Hillary haircut But then she says like I'd base it on Peggy Noonan You know like they can play She totally did not base on Peggy Noonan Because she based on Hillary Clinton That's the person she based it on
[01:06:29] Because Peggy Noonan talks like that She goes I found it That when he talked about Voters She has like Hillary teeth in this It's just me while to realize she's wearing fake teeth She clearly- Oh like flappers But then the other thing is that the original It is
[01:06:53] Angela Landsbury's new husband Who is the stepfather Is the vice presidential candidate And The Manchurian candidate so to speak Is who they have trained To take the shot And this flips it where then like The Denzel character is the one who's trained
[01:07:11] To take the shot on the son Who is also the candidate Which simplifies things It's weird when he shoots them though Because he shoots Leaves Shriver in the back right Yeah with a memory bullet While he's hugging his mom But when they fall down
[01:07:29] He's bloody on his tummy And she's bloody on her chest And went straight through Downward angle Down into the right Because it would have to bounce Baby Rubber bullet Let's shake the film I don't know whether anyone filmed it But let's go back to the tape
[01:07:51] He might be a wanted That's the secret thing There is that scene where he takes a bath And then he goes to his loom He sees that big tiger tattoo He's got the future loom You can see everything is going to happen It makes it even weirder though
[01:08:07] That they send him to go kill Senator Jordan Because in the old movie They're turning Raymond Shaw into a brainwashed assassin And she is horrified And that's why she's like we're going to become president And then we're going to destroy them For what they did to you
[01:08:21] And she gives them that big ol' smooch on their mouth And the Manchurian global people are like They've invested a lot of money in this Why did you send him to go kill some people And I'm like that's a good point movie
[01:08:31] But there's that direct flip where in the original It is, Angela Lansbury is like I'm down with the cause I did not realize you were going to be the one Who became the brainwashed assassin And in this they were like
[01:08:41] Meryl we thought you were down with the cause And she's like I am That's why I chose my son Against your best wishes I mean all those changes are I think to what Dan said If he works Why not do the thought experiment of
[01:08:57] What if it's this instead of this Why not approach it from a different angle Aside from the fact that you're like Making it about big money influences And all these other things It's worth the test of What if it is more of a man losing his mind
[01:09:11] You know what if you're changing their roles Within the thing The levels of complicity all these sorts of things It certainly works better than The other favorite movie of mine The one that's making the Pelham one two three Where they make a lot of
[01:09:25] They also make a lot of changes to see what will happen And it's like those changes do not Particularly pay them out They don't I mean the original is a masterpiece They remake his fairy silly But they kept the last shot right Yeah with Danza Washington going
[01:09:39] That is another shabby Washington remake though I forgot about that That he's also shabby in that movie He's shabby but then he keeps calling back To his, is it that one or inside man Where his wife's job is to lie around
[01:09:51] In underwear and call him and say like When you coming home baby, I forgot That's the inside man He gives her the ring at the end That's a fantastic movie It's basically the new taking of Pelham one two three
[01:10:03] Much more than the remake of Pelham one two three Exactly right because it is a movie about New York at that moment when the movie was made But Pelham one two three is one of those movies Where it's like why fuck with it It is so tightly constructed
[01:10:15] I kind of like the Tony Scott Really? Even the part where There's supposed to show that a train is out of control So they should put it in slow motion Tony Scott putting something in slow motion I'm not saying it's weird for Tony Scott
[01:10:27] I'm saying it's weird for that moment of storytelling It's not a good movie There's stuff going on like there isn't Many a Tony Scott movie The original is so near and dear to my heart That like it's not like I prefer the remake
[01:10:39] My point is less but it's got that weird kind of Tony Scott hates rich people so much And all his movies end up being about that And like it's like you know the sort of Shabby civil servant defeating the Wall Street guy
[01:10:49] Dungeon Ultra Vulture is an evil Wall Street guy I mean I, I, I mean it's one of those Gandalfini is like a weird Bloomberg type Who is like kind of grumpy and a little He's the mayor in there and he's like Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh
[01:11:01] The movie does uh, I mean Time has caught up with the movie Because at the time I was like how are they going to get a Wi-Fi signal on the subway Right now you can do that
[01:11:11] I'm like you know what maybe that movie is a little bit more prophetic Do you think that movie is why they spent $120 million Installing Wi-Fi at every station Letting everything else about Tony Scott Yeah, it's, it's why they said They were like criminals could hijack a train
[01:11:23] Get a police officer every turn Style in the city Cuomo was like I had to I saw Pelham 1, 2, 3 I have a choice It was on TNT We all know that Cuomo is devoted To installing the prettiest staircases That he can find at a few select stations
[01:11:41] Such beautiful. Can we talk, I mean As a bunch of, as a bunch of you know People who have ridden the rails before Hobos, yeah Some of these staircases at these subway stations I have a hard time Resisted giving them a smooch They're so beautiful
[01:11:57] They're so pretty that I'm overcome with romance I want to pop the question Oh sure Weirdly, the ones that aren't so pretty I just want to cuddle them up They're lovable, they're underdog You really are inside, you got good bones
[01:12:13] But man-turing candidate, yeah Dan, you made a good point Thanks You know what I've been waiting Years for you to say that, Elliott Now we can wrap up this podcasting thing You did good Dan, you did good It is that thing where the structure Of something like Pelham 1, 2, 3
[01:12:29] Is so strong The basic ideas are so strong And it's so primarily like a thriller It's not that you can't remake it Because the thing works for a reason Man-turing you can flip a bunch of the details There are a bunch of different realities that make sense
[01:12:43] In the weeds of it Which I think they explore all well In the films, as someone who watched The two of them almost back to back With a little amoebouche Of trolls they experience in between Is that they serve as interesting counterpoints
[01:12:59] I mean they're kind of like in dialogue With each other, they don't really negate each other It's just, you almost want I mean Demi's too good a director to really Well, Truth about Charlie is close to a fiasco
[01:13:09] But you almost figure, oh well this should just be a fiasco It should Right, because it's not a masterpiece It is not But it is pretty watchable It's got some sequences that sort of pop Stribers kind of good There's like performances you can sort of root for
[01:13:25] I would argue it's one of It's kind of like a seven It's kind of a seven but And not that it needs to be graded on the scale Of what it makes of a movie this good Sure, I agree
[01:13:37] In terms of how much it doesn't embarrass the original How much it sort of stands on its own While exploring new things but respecting what worked Low bar, low bar Almost always movies like this are like Why the fuck did they even touch it
[01:13:49] I think it adds things to the conversation I don't know if I would go That far But it's certainly not one of the worst remakes You're saying it came out the same year as Stefford wives Right, correct And you think about this after Truth about Charlie
[01:14:03] Like you think of the landscape that's coming out With all the King's men Remake In like 2000s It was the same year too, yeah Or maybe the year after Yeah, good call Get out of there I'm gonna make people mad
[01:14:21] I don't like the old all the King's men With Broderick Crawford that much Yeah, I think that's a good call But you look at like Yes In that case they took a good movie And made an amazing movie It makes me wish they had pushed
[01:14:37] Mentoring candidate even farther into that Weird direction I mean you're almost watching it today I was like this could be something They could continue remaking every 30 years Mentoring, sure Yeah, there's something sort of so elemental about it There's a reason why the basic
[01:14:53] Concept still has all this potency Whenever we're talking about whatever political Landscape we're in It always fucking comes up They're always Scary phrases For a political candidate who is being governed By some outside interests Like they just become the byword for that Mentoring candidate About this movie
[01:15:15] I insist It's the fact that they decided to do the assassination Of the What are the presidential candidate at the At the convention At the convention At the victory party At the victory party, the part that has The most security
[01:15:33] And is most likely to be an inside job If that happens like they couldn't wait like A week Rachel you have all people should understand That they have the guy working the sound board On their side And if the sound board is with you
[01:15:47] You can get away with anything And they are able to Repaint the security footage at the end So seamless I wish Photoshop was that good So in the original one They have this whole plan Angel Lance Brace explaining it to Lauren Tarvey
[01:16:03] It's a great scene where she's just explaining it She goes, when he says My country before my life You will take the shot And then your stepfather Cradling The bloody head of this man Will give the most amazing speech She's like I've read it
[01:16:21] They've been working on it over there for five years And it will electrify this country And sweep us into the White House With powers never before dreamed And it's like, oh they will kind of walk you through Why it's going to be this big moment Where suddenly
[01:16:35] It's a piece of political theater And seemingly off the top of his head He's going to deliver this amazing speech Like a Mark Anthony style But here they're just like We're going to take them out and then you're the dude That's how it works
[01:16:49] They're going to take it to be present So you're ready with the They'll check with the referee sitting at the sidelines Yeah, there's a referee who goes all Allow it Make sure he doesn't dance with you though Because then you might get a double bullet shot Don't twirl
[01:17:05] No twirling But there's also a In the original movie they make a big point Of breaking Lawrence Harvey's programming Whereas in this they just kind of decide not to be brainwashed anymore The implication is The Farmiga thing just kind of flips it
[01:17:19] I guess they decide for the brainwashing To flip the script on the brainwashing The shoulder bite Oh they take the chips out It's like a beautiful mind, it just stops being I didn't realize too that It makes more sense In the original version what you're saying
[01:17:35] That like, okay they need to put The sleeper agent in the White House Like they're not sure they can do it So they need something that's going to elect him Like it's a sweep him into office Like if they already have some of the power
[01:17:47] Like even if it's the vice president Seems like why do they have to Like involve an assassination It's the thing that makes no sense He literally gets elected president They've got the vice president as a candidate And he's very young Wait a couple years
[01:18:03] It's going to be fine And he's amazing looking And honestly get one of those chip things Put it in the president someday To be honest and I'm sure When he had some ideas about this I want to see the campaign They ran an amazing campaign
[01:18:19] You see the electoral map It looks like they've gotten Quadrants of every part of the country They're healing the nation The only place that they were up Was the opponent's home state Of Kentucky as they said But you start pretty much with Merrill working the room
[01:18:37] To get her son The nod And then the movie doesn't really pay attention To their campaign at all until Election night Then it becomes more just shabby Denzel Shoulder biting, Farmiga Kimberly Elise kind of coming in and out
[01:18:53] Elise has a lot more to do than Janet Lee did in the original She's got more of like a job to do That's the thing They're kind of addressing The Reddit fan Complaints I guess about Janet Lee's Main scene of entering candidate
[01:19:07] Which is one of the craziest conversations The train scene? Yes, in the history of movies She's like, they're on a train together He's struggling to light a cigarette and it falls into his drink And he's just like, I can't handle it
[01:19:19] And goes outside for a breath of air And she is so aroused by this That she walks out and she's like You know, I was one of the original Chinese workers That worked on this railroad She changes her name four times Within the span of the conversation
[01:19:33] Like you can't tell if someone's brainwashing him Or deprogramming him I hate genia, Rose, but I hate genia Anyone call you Rosie? Not if they want to be my friend By the way, my name's Terry Everything's like For a long time it would be like
[01:19:47] Is she just cycling through trigger phrases But I like the idea that she's just like She's just this pixie dream girl Fixing her on a train Because from that point on she has no plot purpose She's just there to help him rebuild as a human being
[01:19:59] It is better to have her be a federal agent And make sense of she spending this much time around this Really opening guy The problem is that the FBI is like We're on this, we think something's up With the whole Manchurian global Maybe they're controlling the presidential race
[01:20:13] We're looking into it Do you know? They're close but no cigar in it We got the best man on it He's a shambling crazy person It's not only that they're on it Once it's done they're happy to frame them Because they don't have quite enough evidence
[01:20:29] Yeah, let's just push it over the line You cut to Manchurian global In their like room of evil And it's like Dean Stockwell and Jude Chico And they're just like Fuck we almost had it They're manipulating evidence To help a double murder Committing man
[01:20:47] To just live on his life I do love how he Suspicious that she is part of the Conspiracy against him And then he's not only validated that she's part of a conspiracy But like an even Like one he didn't even consider Actually I like that because there's something
[01:21:03] Kind of Philip K. Dick about it It's also funny that their strategy seems to be Both in like trailing Denzel And their ultimate casing of the victory party Is like something's definitely going on We're gonna let it play out and then we'll arrest the people Right
[01:21:19] I mean actually you can't Arrest someone for a crime they haven't committed But they're never close enough to being able to stop it from happening She seems liable to nod at the rafters And then she's like I get it he's letting Denzel kill him
[01:21:33] Yeah no no I got it It's cool guys just yells it's cool I figured it out Can I say something that I do like though I really do like the scene where he kills The scene where they're all sitting You know down in the hypnosis tent
[01:21:47] And they kill each other It's super scary Truly unsettling and also Pablo Shriver is Leah Shriver's half brother Which is really weird that they cast them in the same movie What's so unnerving in the original film Is that everything is presented so matter of factly
[01:22:03] So many of the killings happen so methodically And without any sort of like razzle dazzle Razzle dazzle The hotel This is post Chicago's Oscar win so you had to razzle dazzle That's true You don't want to end up being a Mr. Cellophane They'll hardly know you're there
[01:22:20] Exactly and that's what happened to Miguel Ferrer Sure they'll never even know you were there Disobeying the ten commandments of movies at the time One, park the car Two, I know what we spot Three, gin cold Four, music hot Piano hot
[01:22:38] I know it's just a noisy hall with his nightly problem I can't remember every word Hot off a downfall I think the same year as downfall Except in this he's just like I'm a crazy scientist I've never seen anything like this
[01:22:50] What I love is that they introduce Bruno Gans with No general explanations To the crazy man It's not like he's a special agent He's just there and it's also like All I know at first is that He's a guy who knows a lot about brains
[01:23:04] And he has some chimps and cages Does he work at the zoo? Maybe Well then his fourth scene he explains Like you saved me You got me out of a bad spot You gave me my citizenship so I owe you But it's also like
[01:23:19] Sinatra early on in the original Is going like I think there's some weird Brainwashing thing and they're like We don't believe you but keep on showing up To the office every day at 9am And in this movie they're like fucking dismissed Go take your pills you loony
[01:23:33] So Bruno Gans has to function as The guy that he's sharing his theories with He's the Watson to his I believe you Yes right and he's investing He's looking at the tracers I'm trying to think of other Differences that are interesting You were talking about the Center's daughter
[01:23:53] In the original it's also the center's from a rival party Yes In the original His family is essentially They never say the names And the opposite And center Jordan is liberal He's like I once won a libel case against your mother I think what angered her mo is
[01:24:11] I donated it all to an organization Called the American Civil Liberties Union And that's not a good Impression of John MacGyver I'm not going to listen to any episode of Gilbert Garbreed's podcast Since he does it every episode
[01:24:23] But it is one of those things where the original is so much about Like the red scare And the Candidate who is the stepfather Instead of the brainwashed son Is running on like a McCarthy Ask like we're gonna find all the Commies where they're hiding
[01:24:39] One of the good jokes in it Is when he's like babe you gotta give me A number of communists You keep changing the numbers and he's putting ketchup on his burger And she goes hmmm And then cuts him going there's 57 communists
[01:24:51] And it's like come on guys that's a silly joke He needs a specific target But there's I think that was a change they made Deliberately too, it was like let's show that In the old one the irony is that It's the conservatives Who should be the cold warriors
[01:25:05] The ones who are in bed with the communists In this one we're gonna make it that the Democrats Who should be anti-corporate Are in bed with this evil corporation Because they'll do anything to win an election Again in those Halcyon naive days Of the Iraq war
[01:25:19] When before we knew that like oh no Like one side is genuinely like a lot worse Like what it does in everything It was like they were just doing that stuff Everyone had voted for Not everyone but obviously both parties
[01:25:31] This is a movie that votes for Ralph Nader Which is what I'm not crazy about Demi might have voted for Ralph Nader I almost guarantee that And in 2000 Certainly in 2000 I didn't vote for Ralph Nader in 2012 Well No he definitely voted for Bernie
[01:25:47] But it is that thing where like when The Angel of Landsbury You got the fundraising email too When the Angel of Landsbury character is like Complaining about the idea of her son Marrying the senator's daughter He's gonna turn my son into a commie Like that's the big fear
[01:26:03] And then this the rival senator is The other guy who almost got the vice Presidential nomination Who is ostensibly part of the same The ideology as them There's a real difference In that it's like the left wing of the Democratic party And the centrist like
[01:26:19] Neoliberal wing of the Democratic party Which is a real difference It's not such a big difference that it would be like Don't ever date his daughter I don't think anyone would have voted for him If they saw him kayak Stay above water guys Terrible form
[01:26:35] The most real thing to me Is that even the ultra liberal member Skyaking as an old man But I love as you said though That in the original you spend a lot more time with him And the daughter It's about our in that he explains
[01:26:49] I think to Sinatra Like I had this one love that got away from me They flashback, you spent like six or seven minutes You remember when you were mean to her to party mom And she's like oh I don't think I was That mean anyway
[01:27:01] He reconnects with her They get married, they have a little honey And it's like They've discarded all the solitaire stuff Which I get no pun intended I love the solitaire When they reconnect She's wearing a diamond costume And it's another one that's like kind of a joke
[01:27:19] And kind of not And that she dis His mom is looking for him and she sees that costume And there's just like oh no Like what happened But as much as the Lawrence Harvey character Is unlikable He's giving an icy performance
[01:27:35] And he talks about how he's an unlikable guy You spend enough time with him That you can view him as a somewhat tragic figure Whereas even though Leiav is playing at moments The like The fighting, those moments where he sort of confides in Denzel
[01:27:47] Yeah like there's an animal inside him Right, like there's a saber tooth That's trying to get out Their nails that he wishes could grow The guy is a little bit hard to Really wrap your head around as a human being Yes, but that's how people feel
[01:28:01] About politicians these days Like that just, it's that thing where Obama is like Here in the movies I saw this year He releases a list of what 15 movies And people are like he's never seen a movie Or had a feeling This is made up, this is some corporate
[01:28:15] List created by You know it's like he probably watches fucking movies It's not that crazy He makes movies and he's a fucking development guy He watches the Super New Year Exactly, you know it's not crazy guys Although it is true that The more you read about presidents
[01:28:31] Is that all of them are weird dudes It's fucking weird, why would anyone do that for a living Yeah it's a strange job to assume you should want Or get and so you read about them and you're like How did any of these people get elected president
[01:28:41] They're all like such damaged individuals Except of course for Obama who we'll find out You know after his passing which I hope is not for many years Some crazy thing about him I do like though The thing that's nice about the Solitaire trigger
[01:28:56] Is like as opposed to it just being a phone call And then it's immediate snap There's this amazing fucking third act Seeing where Sinatra figures it out He puts together the Queen of Hearts thing And then he buys a trick magicians deck That's all Queen of Hearts
[01:29:10] Which are readily available Right he has Lawrence Harvey play it over and over To be fair the idea is there were a lot more magic novelty jobs You're right you're right And also it was like what else am I going to do today
[01:29:20] Except why I have magicians novelty cards Of the 52 cards the Queen of Heart Is obviously the one that would be You know in a novelty deck I just assumed the store back then Magic and novelty tricks were such huge business That they had 52 different decks
[01:29:34] You could choose from each with your own favorite card Like a board license plate Is what you're saying Like a what? A board license plate Yeah like a board I thought you said a porn license plate Yeah a porn license plate
[01:29:46] It reminded me of if I could talk about something completely unrelated to this My flight here from Los Angeles Congratulations Thank you Hollywood it's a strange place The guy who wore to the airport and on the plane His Pornhub Christmas sweater Which said Pornhub had been letters
[01:29:59] Whips and chains On the sweater I've seen it on Instagram Seeing this guy on the line For the bathroom And as my wife described watching this woman Who clearly did not approve standing behind him Waiting on line for the bathroom Just being like oh
[01:30:15] And I was like that is a bold move To wear your pornographic sweater Elliot just quick question Why did you feel the need to describe a sweater That you yourself are currently wearing Because again it's radio Okay it's for the listener Oh ho ho but it's spelled differently
[01:30:29] Yeah yeah Oh no no it's not that explicit Because again you have to be able to wear it at the airport Of course and you have to wear it And knitting is not usually a detail thing either I mean it's like when I got super into anime
[01:30:42] I started buying all over print button down shirts With Sam your eyes on them If I were to say Change that interest to one of pornography Maybe I'd like to show that off By purchasing a Christmas sweater A novelty Christmas sweater That has what like crudely drawn figures
[01:30:59] With wieners Yeah there's no man they have carrot wieners I mean you neglected to say Perhaps it goes without saying Elliot You neglected to say that the penis is a carrot Yes yes that's I had to neglect to say That changes everything actually
[01:31:13] What I couldn't get over was the debate in my head Is that something he purchased Or does he work at Pornhub And that's what they gave out this year as the holiday gift Can I throw out a third option He's like a journalist
[01:31:25] Who got it as a free gift at the end of the year You know he's like on the mailing list I see yeah Because he's a voter for the Sweaty Awards He's a voter for the Sweaty So he gets one of the Sweaters in the mail
[01:31:37] What do you think the Sweaty Awards would be called My friend? He was getting out of his Uber at the airport And his coat got stuck in the door And it got ripped off And he got super scared because he was super cold
[01:31:49] So he reached into his swag bag And the Sweaty Awards Pulled out the first Sweaty I assume I'll just pull out the sweater From Noggin Children's Entertainment Channel Because he had also accidentally squeezed a lemon slice Into his tea and squirted it in his eyes He couldn't see
[01:32:07] He was blindly putting on the first sweater In the sunlight That low winter sun in LA It was like you know it was blinding too I'm glad we solved this mystery I'm so glad we solved this mystery You're kidding me Maybe it was just a fucking creep
[01:32:23] His face is covered in troll splitter He stole the remnants of green paint under his nose Is there anything else we want to say about Jonathan Demme's film The Menturing Candidate Before we play the box office What I wanted to say What I like about the
[01:32:39] The Solitaire scene The Queen of Hearts scene You're talking about the Frankenheimer movie I'm going to use this as a point of contrast First of all I just want to say Before Julianne got rid of all the magic shops in New York City I like to think
[01:32:55] Because we were talking about this That it wasn't just that you could get any deck With 52 of the same card But that it was like the M&M store Where they were sort of on tap And you could mix and match customize your own deck
[01:33:07] You don't want to have a deck with 7 jacks And 10 tens If it was a good store before Julianne got rid of it You could probably make your own deck Magic deck A literal magic trick deck There's the scene Now I want to see the party magician
[01:33:23] Who uses magic cards That'd be amazing Is this the protocol sorcerer you were looking for? That unquestionably exists It has to be right There have to be magicians who use collectible card games God that sounds so depressing I assume they hit the Comic Con circuit
[01:33:39] The same way there are bands that do like comic con And burlesque that's themed around magic cards Do you think there's a comedy and magic club That instead of being the comedy and magic club Is for comedy and magic the gathering
[01:33:49] Did you have anything you wanted to say about the magic? I wanted to say You have this scene where Sinatra figures out The thing with the deck And has Lawrence Harvey play solitaire And every card he plays down Is a queen of hearts
[01:34:03] And he just gets triggered again and again So he's able to have this very transparent conversation With him in deep program And it's such an exciting scene That's the way they've set up the movie Because they want They want Denzel to be the shooter They've rearranged the plot
[01:34:19] But it gets to this sort of core tension Of the movie And also gives such a good acting showcase For playing the weird programming And deep programming Which I don't think this film ever totally gets at I don't think you have that sort of activation Deactivation thing
[01:34:35] Which in this movie when it happens It's a much bigger swing Where it goes in and out of terminator mode And he does the demi close up To sort of indicate that it's happening Which for this movie it makes sense
[01:34:47] Because this is a movie that's about looking someone in the eye And trying to figure out if they're on the level The novel is the most explicit about the mother's Ancestors relationship with her son And this they're kind of doing that She kisses him on the lips
[01:34:59] The novel is very explicit And in this they have them embracing They're trying to bring that full circle With the kind of And don't they show that he's in deep programming Because all are good at the end Oh possibly Possibly
[01:35:15] Like do you think that there was a shot originally Where they went up to Leigh of Shriver's Dead body and almost hair had fallen out And they're like oh his brain's back to normal Now It kind of does feel like maybe that's the implication
[01:35:27] But then also maybe put a couple bandages on And throw a scar on the back But I do miss that kind of thing That also is like in the scenes where you're seeing them In the flower shop, hotel, hallucination And they're clicking in and out of murdering people
[01:35:39] There's something about it being presented so plainly Having the actors just sell how casually What they're doing shifts That I think this movie cranks it up to a degree Where even though the plot points are different So you can't replicate the exact same scenes
[01:35:52] I miss that kind of pure Actor showcased oscillation Between the programming And normal mode It feels like there's not a lot of different tones And it means you're at 10 In terms of like on edge You're at 10 the whole time
[01:36:10] But it doesn't have a lot of places to go So by the end you're like oh okay I guess they're flipping the script I don't know this is as opposed to In the there's a I highly recommend in the BFI film classic series
[01:36:23] Grail Marcus writes one about the old man-turing candidate And which is a different movie It's called the old man-turing candidate It's like old man Logan He talks about I don't want to be brainwashed anymore Alright one last adventure One last brainwashing He describes the movie
[01:36:41] I think the way he describes it is like It's a movie that instead of pulling the rug It pulls the rug out from under you And you realize there's no floor And there never has been a floor And this movie doesn't
[01:36:53] I think because it doesn't draw you in the same way Because it's always at that level of height and tension That it's not as shocking Or not as surprising Man-turing global is also such a big Simon McBurney who we didn't actually really mention Is great
[01:37:07] He himself is very creepy and unsettling And interesting just anytime he's on screen But man-turing global is extremely not interesting Not threatening And it's also strange in that Man-turing global is constantly in the news Which makes sense there's like this is the biggest company
[01:37:21] In the world I guess But they're like man-turing global is creating A private army to invade other Countries so that America doesn't have to And you're like that seems like they're really Saying the quiet part loud on this It seems like they're already getting everything
[01:37:35] They want and they're doing a lot of shady stuff Just out in front I think to your point though about This movie not being able to rug-pull This movie also works the Man-turing candidate Into as much of a happy ending as it could possibly have
[01:37:47] Because Lee have essentially offers himself Up as tribute Goes I should be taken off the board Gets his mother knocked out in the process Exposes the Man-turing industries Right and then Denzel Is magically photoshopped So that he's not guilty anymore and he ends up on the beach
[01:38:03] It's a demi happy ending baby It ends with him paying homage to the men in his unit Whereas the old one ends with Frank Sinatra seeing Lawrence Harvey Kill himself After killing his stepfather And then Frank Sinatra crying in the rain Like giving to Roy Batty
[01:38:21] Yeah like Roy Batty You're seeing things you wouldn't believe My friend killing his mom But it is a very bleak ending What the fuck happens Yeah I did feel I mean it is a happier ending for sure But I did feel watching Denzel's performance at the end
[01:38:39] Like this is a guy who will maybe Never be normally getting it He's gonna maybe get to holding Like a full-time job that's gonna be his ceiling That is why I think it's weird though That Demi chose to end the film
[01:38:51] With I Can't Stop the Feeling from the Trolls movie I liked that I like Branch and Queen Poppy come out and dance It's very peppy It is also kind of crazy though That Trolls doesn't acknowledge that Mentor and Canada beat them to the bunch by like 13 years
[01:39:05] Well yeah but I mean in Trolls The Mentor and Global does play a big role Dean Stockwell isn't it He shows backer He's voicing the snake He's the only live action character in the Trolls movie He's a legend Dean Stockwell That's a crazy thing
[01:39:23] I appreciate the reference but it's weird to see A Children's Movie made now where they're like Tell us what it was like to wearing the wig in the boy with green hair I know It's like 15 minutes, it's like an Elvis Mitchell interview It's a 45 hour movie
[01:39:35] There's a lot of time to film Poppy goes Vim Vendors just talk about that Alright before we play the box office game This movie did not get Oscar nominations But Meryl Streep did get pretty much every nomination But an Oscar nomination Gunglow BAFTA didn't get the sag
[01:39:51] But still can you tell me who beat her For that final slot Who beat her for that final slot? Because it was Portman, Lancet Lara, Leni and Kinsey, Virginia Madsen Sideways were like those four were all locked Right But who knocked Meryl aside to take that Oscar nomination
[01:40:07] Tell me Am I blanking here is it who then wins No no no, Cape Lancet wins Oh this is the aviator Okay for some reason I thought this was the no time scandal Isn't that because she didn't have an Oscar And she was playing a famous person
[01:40:21] They were like alright you can have an Oscar Did they think Catherine Hepburn was up that year Yeah they thought this was Catherine Hepburn They were like it's been so long She's dead That was tough for her It's great that she's in this movie
[01:40:35] Do you know what's crazy I remember seeing the aviator Opening weekend and the first Seemer they meet on the golf course And she's like oh they're hallowed And the first full line she got out The audience applauded Yeah
[01:40:49] I turned to my mom and I was like I guess she's winning the Oscar People were just going fucking bananas That she vaguely did the impression More than vaguely does that impression That she vaguely successfully did the impression She's doing that impression Gali Yeah, yeah, okay so
[01:41:05] So Blancet wears that one scene where she's like Well Howard and he's like Jim, no it's Jimmy Stewart Oh fuck And Marty kept it in Weird Because they told him this movie has to be 2 and a half hours
[01:41:17] Long and he was like alright I guess I'll fill the time Geez I have to make a long movie what am I going to do It's weird that that movie has 20 minutes of outtakes In the end It's all Jude Law eating peas Okay is the fifth best actress
[01:41:29] Nominee from a Best Picture It's the fifth best supporting actress Nominee from a Best Picture And was it kind of an oddball nomination Sort of but it's a good performance and it is an actress you like I specifically like Is it Ruby D Not Ruby D
[01:41:45] I liked her this year as in 2019 2020 yeah okay I liked her this year In a movie Is it Rebecca Ferguson and Dr. Sleeve It's Sophie Okanado in Hotel Rwanda Right She was the sort of surprise fifth and she knocked Meryl out And Meryl usually gets that
[01:42:03] She gets the August in Sage County She was nominated for I was thinking of somebody else In primary colors that's not her That's Emma Thompson I got my Hillary Clinton in the movies But let's play the box office game guys We've actually done this one many years ago
[01:42:19] Interesting July 30th 2004 Griffin is going to try and you guys are welcome to Try and guess the top five movies At the box office that week Man-Turing candidate was number three 20 opening to 20 million It's so crazy that just you could release this
[01:42:35] In July and it's definitely going to make 20 No matter what it's going to open to 20 The idea that was number three at the box office A movie like this I'll walk around in a stupor sometimes Being like Moonstruck Was number one at the box office all the time
[01:42:49] A movie like that will never be number one Of the box office again and we're Poor for it I remember it being like oh yeah 20 is the basement on what that's going to open to If it breaks out it will do 40 Well the number one movie is new
[01:43:03] And was it kind of a surprise? No, it was big deal movie And we've talked about it on this podcast We've covered it With its own, its very own episode Yes, long time ago Not in a galaxy far, far away That rules some movies out
[01:43:19] But it was a big Disney movie Open big but had a severe drop off It was a Disney With a big big Drop and the name of the film is Le Vélage It's The Village Opening to 50 This is its opening weekend Big opening
[01:43:41] But of course famously dropped 70% In its second weekend Word of mouth didn't help it out A movie with no stars above the title And the poster is a picture of a hand holding a list And it opened to $50 million Then they released a second poster
[01:43:55] Of a guy in a red hood looking at a village They thought it was as equal to Schindler's list People were thrilled I don't have that list ended They were like finally we're gonna find out what happened to Schindler next
[01:44:05] What's at the end of the list? Is there a post script? Okay, that's number one in the box Number two big action franchise sequel It's made $100 million in two weeks It's not Spider-Man 2 No, this is the best one Of this franchise? Yeah, I think there's five
[01:44:21] It's gotta be a transformer It's 2004 It's the best of the five So, it's the best of the five So, our three is the best one, right? It's the second In this of five It's the second Of five If it was the best out of
[01:44:43] Do they all have like the same director Or is this like a password? Three of them were done by one director And then two other directors Oh, I know What is it? Is it The Born Supremacy? Correct That's where the car fight was That's one, right?
[01:45:07] I mean, I know it's between that and Ultimatum, I think Well, as we've covered many times on this podcast The only born film I've seen is The Born Legacy Because I thought it was gonna be a clean entry
[01:45:15] I forgot that you have no opinion on The Born movies I had just missed out And I was like, this seems like a good I can enter here, it's gonna be a hard refresh It's gonna be a new issue one And instead Edward Norton spends 20 minutes
[01:45:27] Showing people cell phone clips of things that happen In the other movies It is like that In search of the pink panther That's what I thought it was gonna be Number four, god this is a weird weekend Yeah, big action sci-fi movie Big, big star I rub it
[01:45:45] I had a robot fever that summer I remember You did not murder him And then number five, you already mentioned it The biggest movie But it's not The highest grossing film of 2004 Of course, was Shrek 2 Which at that point in time Was the third highest grossing film
[01:46:05] In history Well, deserved obviously Star Wars, E.T. Shrek 2 You've also got Catwoman You've got Harold and Kumar going to White Castle They went You've got a Cinderella story That's a Duff You've got Anchorman And you've got Fahrenheit 9-11 Which has made $110 million At the box office
[01:46:29] It is kind of funny that Man Shari and Candidate Was probably like, we're gonna be the movie That taps into all this weird political rage Instead of like, yeah, George Bush isn't so great And people are like, I cannot wait To see this fucking movie
[01:46:41] They were like, I don't care that you don't give your employees health insurance And we'll never do so Do you know what is such an alien concept? That movie became Like if you could buy things with memories What if Time was our strength
[01:46:55] We should be writing this down When I think about how well that movie did Right? Fahrenheit 9-11 The key to that movie doing well Was people were so angry about it, they were like, I gotta go see it for myself Sure
[01:47:11] Like the idea of protesting it and being like I'm not giving him my dollars I just remember like, it was selling out In fucking red states Because people were like, this fucking asshole I need to build my argument against him $15, one ticket please I'm sure it's more like 12
[01:47:27] You're right, 2004 And back then in red states He could probably go to a matinee for like six bucks Yeah but with conversion from then to now Six bucks was a million bucks It's been a lot of inflation That movie, Adjust for Inflation Would make $10,000,000
[01:47:45] And he gotta buy popcorn when you're there And he gets a taste of that I don't know much about the movies I assume that's a weight joke which I don't appreciate No, no, no, no Adjusted once everyone likes popcorn In the way that a lot of millionaires
[01:47:59] Buy their private ranch and start a vineyard or something Of course, Michael Moore has a popcorn Wine cave Remember when he made a movie last year called Fahrenheit 11-9 And it was huge, everyone went to see it $7 million in the box The documentary boom is over
[01:48:15] Yeah, so never know when season anymore But liberals don't want to see Michael Moore movies anymore Jesus But the idea of someone who disagrees with Michael Moore Going to see a Michael Moore movie is completely foreign I will admit that
[01:48:27] Although this was to write a review of it I was asked by someone to write a Review of Someone asked by Alonzo D'Rollté Movie critic and podcast host To write a review of Dinesh D'Souza's last movie That one was The one that was not
[01:48:43] Transformers Dark of the Moon The poster promised it would be about How Donald Trump is the Abraham Lincoln of today Oh, right, and it's the one where the poster Death of a nation And it was like I was there to write a bad review of it
[01:48:57] There were six other people in theater At the Americana And they all seemed really creepy And didn't trust anyone else in the theater And that was the night that my second son I didn't miss it, but there was part of me that was like
[01:49:09] Okay, these are the last hours I went home and my wife and the laborer And I'm like, I can't believe the last hours I spent With my wife before our second baby was born Was watching Dinesh D'Souza's stupid movie Did you not write the review
[01:49:21] Because you were too busy? No, I was too busy! I had to write the review I just made a horror story then That was my son's name Dinesh D'Souza-Cailin You had to watch that for nothing Not only watched it, and I had to contribute So it was like
[01:49:37] And I mean, it was like So that I guess is one example of it But you're right, people were like Going to see Michael Moore's movies Just to be like, ooooh Right, because the Dinesh films do well For what they are
[01:49:51] But very few people in the grand scheme Most of the science I feel like waits for it to be available at home And no one is going to do Oppo research on Dinesh Like I went to see two Dinesh movies in theaters And I was like
[01:50:05] I did, because I thought Obama, what was it? 2016 Obama's America Yeah, well you wanted to learn about The secret cons... I don't even know That's because the definition Was all about how it was actually The Democrats who liked slavery You got us, you did it
[01:50:21] That's a good point, Dinesh The one where he got me is America, imagine a world without her Where the trailer made it seem like the entire film Was an alternate history That the world would look like today And I was like, I want to see him spinning
[01:50:35] An alternate universe yarn And he abandons that in the first 10 minutes It ends up being about Hillary Clinton as literally Satan As one final thing If you're curious, I will neither confirm Nor deny Whether JFK Jr went to the trolls experience with us So if you buy
[01:50:51] The Patreon number Which one did I say? You didn't say I, but you said JFK It could be either or both, I want to keep the mystery alive If it was senior, really big story Great story I mean, he is probably into trolls
[01:51:05] It's gotta be the world's oldest trolls fan He has to be Is that one of those trolls, one of those movies where Someone who died in 1963 You brought him back and showed him some movie Like this is crap, never seen anything like this You cut so far
[01:51:19] You bring JFK back and you show him like Six Underground or whatever that new micro movie is And he's like, this is a sounding I always imagined America could someday produce this It's like watching the moon landing Guys, thank you so much for being on the show
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[01:53:03] Where the Trolls episode will be coming up Shortly and other fun stuff Happening Next week We are discussing Rachel getting married That sounds right Am I wrong about this? I don't know Jesus Rachel getting married Next week producer Rachel is getting married Mazel tov Rachel
[01:53:25] With guest Olivia Craighead and Ioway Tabiri From the iconography podcast And Rachel you are now under the gun You have one week to find A suitable partner to spend the rest of your life with And uh yeah I think that's all the wrap up stuff
[01:53:39] I don't know I'm forgetting all the things I usually say Did I cover all the things? I covered all the things It's late And as always Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful Human being I've ever known in my life Are you gentlemen aware that
[01:54:02] The Rise of Skywalker did that with Fortnite? I did yeah That's what the dead speak alludes to right? Didn't they like throw the Palpatine message The beginning of that movie happens on Fortnite Oh I was wondering why they didn't
[01:54:16] Showed that in the movies since it seemed like a missed opportunity I'm surprised you didn't mention that in the movie I think it was handled by Oscar Isaac saying Unfortunately Palpatine returned Somehow