The Podcast Awakens

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_00]: There's been an awakening in the podcast

[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey Griffin. Hi David. You didn't sleep well last night. I didn't because I had a lot of thoughts my mind was racing

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a Griffin and David present the podcast

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Awakens

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Griffin Newman. I'm David Sims

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_00]: With us as always is producer Ben Hosley. He's the right there

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey guys

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: um

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So did not see this movie. Sorry Ben. I'm fine with it. I mean, I'm gonna see it eventually. I'm not in a rush

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully you guys have something to say about I have a lot to say

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna be talking today. I don't have any real thought you can take this one

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, we'll swing. I'll say some stuff and if you feel like anything pops up

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I know you're not a man to really

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't dwell on film. No, you don't need to think on media

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_00]: No, here we are guys. We're here talking about Star Wars episode 7 The Force Awakens you and I saw it together last night

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Now for a little perspective

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_00]: We started this podcast in March. We want to talk about one thing. It was Star Wars episode 1 the Phantom Man

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And one by one we went through every film in this series. Yeah sequentially. Yeah, but focused on the

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Phantom mass trilogy

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Phantom ass attack the clones revenge of the Sith. Yeah, did like 10 11 episodes on each of those and have sort of breeze past

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_00]: the original phones since 70s and 80s because you know felt like

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Been chewed up by other people, you know, there's there's less to say there because everyone has of course

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_03]: This is kind of the moment that we've been it's true almost at first inadvertently, but recently we've been leading up to this

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah, and I feel like

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't know everything's viewed through the prism of this movie. You know, yeah in culture and like where it places itself

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_00]: No, no Ben hasn't seen it. We're gonna get into spoiler territory

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean guys right up the whole thing if you don't want to know about this movie if you haven't seen it yet

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Really just don't listen. Don't listen wait until you've seen the film so that I assume most of you have

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that applies to to Ben as well

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So you're just you can't

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Be in the room. No, I'm gonna leave and I'm not listening or cutting out

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Any of this episode?

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so this is just gonna be it's raw is a be wrong. I mean this is Griffin and David raw

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_03]: This is griffin David. I'm wearing a red leather jacket Griffin is David delirious

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I always get confused which one which suit he wears in which movie

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_00]: But what we're each wearing a tight leather suit. Yeah, you're in purple. I'm in in red

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, apologies in advance for the squeaking sounds Ben won't be able to cut those out, but we're tight lubricated leather

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So Ben any final words before you leave and you're just gonna sit outside and what read a book?

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna go lunch. We get some lunch

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe have a quick smoke and then you just come back when we're done bad kids

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It is bad. Don't do it kids

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and then yeah, I'll come back and I'll be putting this out in the next few days and whatever you guys say whether it be

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Offensive or I don't know whatever you guys do is gonna be out there in the world. It's gonna be honest

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_00]: That's all we're gonna be we're gonna be honest

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Ben

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Prodiver Ben

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Mr. Positive okay, hello, just been Kenobi a Santa haze. Yep the peeper peeper

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a lot of things a lot of things to us

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_03]: But he is not a viewer of Star Wars the Force Awakens

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So with that I kindly say goodbye get the fuck out of here Ben

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Kindly get out of here. I make sure it's recording. I say goodbye fennel to you. It's definitely recording, right?

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_00]: It's recording. This is yeah people are gonna be able to listen to this. Okay

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_00]: See this is weird. This is really

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_03]: It's actually yeah cuz uh yeah, he's it's very

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Comforting knowing Ben's right over there just on the ones and zero audience

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_00]: He's our you know our voice of reason. He's like looking three days

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Like triple checking that this isn't a fucked up decision. He's taking the emotional like look back over the shoulder

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_00]: She's closing the diverse. I actually feel uncomfortable right now. This feels very odd. Oh, I don't like this. This is really weird

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're without a without a compass. This feels like home alone

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_00]: No

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_00]: What if the web bandits come in and attack the studio?

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Joe Pesci out of retirement. Okay Star Wars episode 7 the Force Awakens

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's get this out of the way. We both like this movie

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I really like this really like you know what uh it's it's sticking nicely so far me too

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is to me the crucial especially with a movie like this where I'm probably going to be so overwhelmed

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, while I'm watching it which is how I felt about the prequels. Yeah

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Like that I'm just you know

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not gonna totally trust my feelings on it for a little while but like so far as the fizz sort of settles

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know we open the bottle all the fizz came out. Yeah now. It's settling feel great

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel I don't feel like I have to run into a Starbucks bathroom

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't I'm comparing my feelings on movies to my digestive system. Oh sure. I got you

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna derail this already. I just realized a little housekeeping. I want to do I just wanted to a quick series of plugs

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Like rapid fire you yeah go ahead

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_00]: One of which is I'm gonna call up the opening crawl by the way. Oh great to keep our fucking streak going

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna talk about the role the diversity plays in this film often test it is important

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_00]: But black man can jump in Hollywood my favorite podcast great podcast love it friends of the show

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Have already released their force-awakened so they recorded one after seeing the movie last night. They like went I mean

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I know I saw that this morning on my podcast happen

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Braylock any was he was talking shit to me on Twitter this morning. I love you John

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_03]: He's got great hair. Love you Jonathan Braylock. John Braylock's the best

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we're gonna talk about diversity but those guys what a great yeah, yes listen to those guys

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Things to say they're there the voices you should listen to that matter. I highly recommend that episode

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Additional plugs I teased that was good do this like six weeks ago and then just forgot to do it

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Avery Edison another friend of the show has a great podcast. I love you Avery

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_03]: You're the greatest one of our earliest fans. Yes

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Swings them roundabouts at one point said I'm gonna listen to that next week and probably plug it

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I listened to it and have loved it and have not plugged. She's on episode three now

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_00]: It's really good. It's a great podcast

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_00]: She uses like Mac and talk on her computer to pretend to be her therapist and does written therapy sessions with a computer

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Great love it

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_00]: The thing that reminded me because you said fizz. I don't know if you know this another long-dormant franchise

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_00]: That's coming back to the light fizzy boys

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: One of our favorite podcast so excited Chris gathered friend of the post yeah, they just record it

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's posted. Yeah

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Fizzy boys, which is a soda podcast

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Chris get there done finale listen to that

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_00]: That's it for podcast plugs one final thing that I want to say I have a show coming up

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Wednesday December 23rd alive show a live show that I am hosting producing with my good old buddy Joe Garden

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_00]: We love him former features editor for the onion one of their original writers love them. It's a

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_00]: The Griff and Joe

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Christmas spectacular into a lesser degree Hanukkah spectacular

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna be a dueling holiday special of us trying to represent our respective holidays great guests including

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_00]: comedians Brett Davis

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Ray Sonny

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Liam McEnany Bram one Ariel Isaac

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Ventriloquist Nigel dr. Del Dunkley

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll say as a guy I saw on a subway station platform and booked to do a show and

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Pranky cosmos who's like a great musician

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Union Hall I believe eight o'clock Wednesday December 23rd. Please come to that show

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to plug the Atlantic where I write that's it storied

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Establishment yep founded by Ralph Waldo Emerson among others and now I write Star Wars nonsense on that website

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_00]: You wrote a great Admiral Piot

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I just want to say before I don't want people reading into

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Because this is a podcast where I've been known to get very effusive at times, you know, yeah

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_00]: You're really angry overly excited. I'm gonna try to be a little tempered in the yeah

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't people reading into it like oh between the lines. I think he's disappointed well, but oh, yeah, sure

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to just be objective. I'm trying to be level-headed with this because it's it's hard to reconcile with

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: This movie

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Mean it's hard to believe that we've seen

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_00]: For so long it like existed as this like mirage

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know I still don't for totally get that I've seen it if that makes sense right

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I need to see it again. I feel the same way

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm also like when it was happening like, you know, it's that thing where your brain's just like kind of

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Slips into some sort of low battery mode where you're just like yes

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, this is too much to think about right now. All right. All right

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_03]: All right

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_00]: What happens are to you to where you just sit back

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Are the end of the movie happen my friend John Henry who happened to be in the same screening as us

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Last night we got drinks after the movie and we were saying that like

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_00]: When you're watching the movie it's something happening to you so you can just kind of like succumb to it

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but to actually think which is also Abrams is specialty these movies that kind of you just have to succumb to

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And let them kind of drag you along. He's like a real showman

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_00]: You know he's like giving you a lot of show and he's like keeping the ball in the air and moving things fast

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_00]: We're saying it's much more difficult to have seen it and deal with it as like memories in your head and have to actively like

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Pull apart those memories, you know, but we both like this movie a lot. Yeah

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_00]: My biggest really liked it really liked it and I like I mean can speak for both of us because I was checking in with

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_00]: You just visually a lot throughout the movie. We were both like grinning like idiots

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I was grinning a lot get giggling

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Giggling a lot was pretty quiet with nice nice audience cheered at all the right moments, but didn't go berserk

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_03]: We saw that the AMC 25 in Times Square seven o'clock show 2d

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I do not plug seeing anything at the AMC 25. Let's unplug the AMC 25 theater

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_00]: The most successful movie theater in the world was not prepared. They were baffled

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I showed up like three hours early. Okay. They thought everyone was online for Krampus. Okay. It's a lot

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Three hours is a lot. I show up and there's maybe a handful of other people like me and the people the guys just like

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_03]: But your movies at seven like I can't let you in for a while

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you realize you sold out like every screening of this goddamn thing, right?

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_00]: You realize that you're not closing for the next 72 hours

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to say for a I felt very bad for the ticket takers and the various sort of like workers at AMC who obviously had

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Not been given like a blueprint like a game plan the managers fuck yeah, exactly

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I had like a 40 minute concession stand line where when I got on the line

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I was fifth on the line and took 40 minutes for me to get from fifth to first

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And then like as that happened the line grew to be like literally a hundred people on one of six lines

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And this is like that ever makes sense to me because we know that's where movie theaters make their money

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, why don't you have like eight people at the concession stand on a on a Star Wars day?

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know was really annoying it was like I love that we're just talking this much about the theaters miss Manjane

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we have you know what we don't have a time limit on we could talk about whatever we want

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_00]: They there were two people who were just very slowly with no urgency

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Loading popcorn into the bags and then putting them on that little like in the little glass case where they like stay heated under the heat

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_00]: lamp and then no one was selling the popcorn

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_00]: No one wants those bags anyway by the way

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I hate heat lamp popcorn, but people were saying like hey

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Can I get it?

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Popcorn please and they were like hold on a second someone's putting the popcorn in the bag and they're not selling it

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_00]: All right, we are very much off-track. Okay, we got there seven o'clock

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't line pretty much there like four screens that aren't playing the force away

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there was Krampus like you say Krampus. There was some Krampus which by the way, I'll plug Krampus

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I liked it cool. I hope this is our plugiest episode. Oh so many plug

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_00]: But we we saw it one of the smaller screens

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was a fine screen but not not not your sort of blown out I maxi type screen

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_00]: But it definitely kind of felt like we were the latchkey kids

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_00]: You know like all the cool kids with their I max 3d screening and we were like let's just we're in this together

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_00]: We were like our we're theater 16 for whatever reason they didn't let us go up until much later

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Like a fellow here all in it together. We're really griping about this

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I know but our crowd liked it a lot. I'm saying we just had like this

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone was very happy to be there everyone was very pumped. Yes, and

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But like what I liked was like, you know

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_03]: They cheered and clapped at the you know at the sort of cheering clap moments where the movies almost given you a second

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but they weren't just the whole time being like

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well and it also felt like you know what I'm not gonna do on this episode is say this is the best one yet

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_00]: No, no because it isn't no but be it's also because

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so guarded because of the fact that I saw all three of those movies and thought they were great at the time

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, me too

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I think this is gonna hold up, but you don't know you don't know but I think it's gonna hold up better a hundred percent

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I feel like objectively. I'm also an adult now

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You know thing and everyone sort of coming at me being like hey man

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody liked phantom at the time and it's like, you know, that was a different time. Yes and critics

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_03]: The critics who liked phantom in general didn't care about Star Wars that much

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_03]: No, they just like this movie is big. Yeah, and like they were like look he made another one of them

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's got all the bleeps and bloops

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and you know I don't know I guess it's good like you know

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like the critical reaction of phantom menace critics. I'm talking about yeah film critics

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're generally kind of gave it a pass, you know, it's not like it was getting raves

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_03]: But it got like a yeah sure

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, they were a slightly older generation. They didn't care about Star Wars in the same way

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the critics we have now are people who grew up on Star Wars like yourself

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But forget me like even people who are older than me even like watch the original films and theaters. Yeah, yeah

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a different vibe. Here's a big thing that I think shifted to I think as the bloom came off the rose with phantom menace and

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Following that attack the clones. Yeah revenge of the Sith

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah in these 10 years where there was not a Star Wars movie save for clone wars. Let's not talk about it

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_00]: They I

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Feel like as a culture

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Not just like the hyper nerds, but as a culture there was a main streaming of studying the semi-autics of

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure those movies. Yeah the original you know because people sort of were really

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Much like us trying to figure out why do these work and these don't know why did they endure

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Why did the prequels not make sense? Like yeah, right and something like you know

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_00]: The red letter media mr. Plunkett videos which went very viral very well received

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Just 10 years of people doing stand-up routines about a pat nozz waltz

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_00]: But all these things I feel like everyone sort of gotten the sense of like okay. This is what Star Wars actually is

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Those critics looked at and they went yeah, they're robots their alien ships. We've been boobs. It's Star Wars

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_00]: We've been bloops right and then like in the last 10 years

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the people who cared about these movies were like no

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's figure out what it is and this is the first thing I can say JJ Abrams has

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Successfully identified what it is that makes Star Wars. I agree, but I mean I do think that's his strength

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Storyteller agreed and you know, I think that like it's it's not hard to say like

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Have you seen his Star Trek? You know yeah 2009 Star Trek?

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_03]: What he felt like he had done there at least to me when I saw it was he had identified the semiotic strengths right of

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Star Wars yeah, and plugged this movie into them

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and this movie goes the exact same path

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah of like you taking your character one then they kind of bump into the next one

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But you know all these sort of story coincidences on this kind of rolling train well

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know it just sort of gathers steam and it's steeped in nostalgia

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_03]: But you know it's doing enough new stuff that you're kind of overjoyed by it

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_00]: But this is such a fucking Star Wars movie. Yeah, I feel like your mileage with this film will largely

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Exist yeah in relation to how you feel about Star Wars. Do you love Star Wars?

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_00]: You're probably gonna love this movie. Yeah, it feels like a Star Wars movie

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you not particularly care about Star Wars? Probably not gonna really care

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably gonna think the movie's okay and kind of you know gets messy at the end and you know like that

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's gonna be your take, but what were my two biggest like

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Wishes for this movie. I want to be fun. It definitely is very fun

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_00]: In the next episode that's being released our holiday special which we recorded before this look forward to that one guys

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_00]: We each made predictions about what we thought were gonna happen in the movie, and I'll say I nailed my predictions

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I was 100% correct. Uh-huh the second thing is I want to feel like a Star Wars movie

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I want to feel like I'm watching Star Wars and this makes me feel the way Star Wars does while success in that

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Category let's read the crawl because this is I oh I would say the best crawl

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a good crawl and it's like straight to the point JJ rooms is like I'm not fucking around with you

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not fucking talking about trade Federation blockades. I'm not using like circular language. That's hard to follow

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Go on do you have the crawl or let's read it

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Episode 7 the Force Awakened just quick sidebar

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Some people weren't sure if episode 7 was gonna be in the title because in the marketing materials

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Just Star Wars the Force Awakened right but this movie opens with fucking episode 7

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I was always sure that it would what I thought that Abrams was doing was what Lucas did which is those movies originally were marketed as

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Star Wars yes, the Empire Strikes Back at return of the Jedi and then when you went in that was the subtitle

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Episode thing only came around for Phantom Menace and I think he only deployed it

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And if you remember the title the poster title is of the Phantom Menace is like little font Star Wars big font episode one

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Tiny fine to Phantom Menace. Yeah, which is fine. I think he was trying to be like this is a prequel

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_03]: You know that was his thing. Yeah, fine

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_03]: So this is you know like almost everything else Abrams has done in this movie

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_03]: He's taken it back to the original just with the remix. It's like a great cover album

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_02]: You know it's like listening to like Otis Redding. It's I agree with that except it's like a great cover album except

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_03]: There's also a fucking awesome new saxophonist

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Who's like gonna just like take over the world?

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying her name is Daisy. You listen to Otis Redding live in Europe, right?

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is one of my favorite albums ever. I love Otis Redding. Yeah, and like he does respect

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_00]: He does Aretha Franklin's respect and he sure completely

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Reorchestrates it change the energy of it, you know the song is wildly different being sung by a man rather than a woman

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Aretha Franklin's version is maybe still better because it has the newness and the discovery, you know, but like

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Great fucking cover. He made his own and he changed it. He changed the text of it

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_00]: You know not literally the lyrics, but like I feel like this is the same thing

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_00]: He's very conscious about what he's keeping the same and what he's changing and structurally

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_00]: It's very very similar to a new hope. Okay, let's read the crawl the crawl

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Luke Skywalker has vanished. I mean amazing

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Bam because like everyone's been going where's Luke?

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Why is he in the marketing materials not in the trailer not in the posters right off the bat?

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_00]: They're telling us like here's what's good Luke Skywalker

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_03]: He's so cool in his absence the sinister first order has risen from the ashes of the Empire

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And will not rest until Skywalker the last Jedi has been destroyed

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, so you're telling me that this movie isn't going to cover how slowly a forced order first order comes together

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_00]: That they're just gonna tell us that it happened and then just set the world in that movie the movie in that world

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that's great

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_03]: With the support of the Republic cool general Leia Organa leads a brave resistance so cool

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_03]: She's desperate to find her brother Luke and gain his help in restoring peace and justice to the galaxy

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, love it emotional stakes cool sure fine. It's personal

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Leia has sent her most daring pilot on a secret mission to Jakku where an old ally has discovered a clue to Luke's whereabouts

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a good crawl good crawl. I have no problem with the crawl you're kind of high on the I loved it. I think

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_03]: That first line is great amazing

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that the first order resistance thing is

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_03]: is

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Fine

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Is a little confusing. I like that they just sum it up in one sense

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like out of the ashes the first order rose and it's like, you know, I was drinking with geeks last night

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I should talk about self identifying and you know

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_00]: We are weighing the things I didn't didn't like about the movie and they were like

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I wish there was a little more explanation a little more could have done with a little more now

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I was talking to my pal Spencer cornhaber who I adore who was not a huge fan of this movie

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_03]: My co-worker and that was one of his complaints was like what is this? You know, what is this first order?

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_03]: What is this resistance like and

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_03]: It seems like it was a problem at singers too another friend of ours

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that Abrams is so seems so focused on avoiding everything about the prequels

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, maybe he could identify as a problem and the obsession with politics

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_03]: The obsession with like the machinations of this galaxy. Yeah, just immediate spoiler no

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Senate scenes in this entire movie

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_00]: none

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_00]: None zero

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, so maybe that's one of the reasons that yes, they but it is

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Because like I have to sort of project a lot of my guesses onto it

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. So you've got this idea that like the Empire is is, you know

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Decapitated in return of the Jedi but obviously it's many sort of

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Functions and it's like, you know, it's military. It's all still out there

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Like war must ensue like just sort of like more of a drudgery

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_03]: You know type of you know, like just sort of chipping away planet or by planet

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_03]: This the Republic which is obviously somewhat of a fragile entity and if you also like okay

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So let's say you dismantle the the Empire. There's still gonna be people civilians

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah followers. Yeah, we're gonna want to go like well, I liked what they were up

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm also carry the tour you're trying to govern a galaxy

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_03]: So I mean so this this first order which seems to have a lot of resources

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because they built a planet base. It's a planet and there's this like great scene where it's a

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_00]: General Hawks played by Donald Gleason. Yeah, I'm giving a big speech to the leader

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And it looks like trying for the wall well

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Hundreds and thousands of stormtroopers. I read somewhere Abrams was saying like the idea

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_03]: He thought of is like what if like the Nazis in Argentina like the sort of Nazi remnant had just sort of survived and taken hold in a new

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Organization, okay, but they're pretty big like you're saying the resistance really big and

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_03]: They built a planet. I mean not the resistance the first order. Yes. Yes. And so here's the real question

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so we kind of get that whatever it's sort of the Empire rebrand, right?

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Even in an even more terrifying sort of way. Yes

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_03]: What the hell is the resistance?

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Because they are the establishment

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of like if the Republic is

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_03]: You know in existence which it seems to be according to this crawl. It's a good point

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, then why are they called the resistance exactly? Why isn't this just the Republic Army?

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_03]: He's made this distinction for some reason and there are big references

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Very tossed off references from Kylo Ren mostly. Yeah about like, you know

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_03]: They're liars and the resistance in the Republic are you know are one thing and like I just could have done with

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure you could have just tossed in a couple of junkie sentences. Just just a little more clarity

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_00]: So this is a complicated issue a thorny issue that I want to get into okay

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, JJ Abrams is someone who studies the semiotics figures out how it works why it works

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Recreates it right puts its own spin on it adds a lot of new stuff too, but that's really his skill as you know like a pop culture

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_00]: showman sure

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Agreed

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_00]: one of the things that is so effective about the original trilogy and especially a

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_00]: New hope mm-hmm aka Star Wars period right is

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_00]: That there is so much happening outside of the parameters of the movie. You know

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's so much implied history to everything so little is explained

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_00]: You feel like you're just being dropped into the world and you can tell the world is fully realized in his mind

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And you can sort of infer what's going on just from how people behave with each other just they speak about stuff

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_00]: They don't explain how structures happen and in fact when you go back and explain those things a lot of times

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Demystifies right. Yes as done in the prequels. I know now

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_00]: By all accounts George Lucas originally like wrote this massive screenplay

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_00]: They present a fox when he was pitching the original Star Wars and their mid-70s and they were like this is incomprehensible

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It's huge because five billion dollars and he sort of pared it down and

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Made like a new hope what was essentially like

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_00]: The second act of his story right and so part of why there's so much bursting at the seams in that movie

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Is he knew exactly what happened right before and right after I don't think that's true. I know I think I don't think he knew exactly

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I think like right before I think he changed it after that, but I'm saying I have never I will say it

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_03]: This is a side track, but like it has always been a little mysterious. What exactly Lucas had

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he changed his plans

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_00]: What is known is that the story that comprises a new hope was originally a small part of that original screenplay

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_00]: He wanted that script to span

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Decades, okay? I think he changed all of his plans on the fly

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But the point was he built this world in a movie where he thought he'd be able to explain everything resolve everything

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And in fact realize like no just do the middle section. That's the thing that people want to see

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't need the explanation and we don't need everything ending, you know

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Like the tidy bow we just need like the little story there

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And so that sort of happened by accident because he did all this work that then he cut out

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_00]: But it was still in there, you know, he had the thoughts

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, JJ Abrams is trying to replicate that same effect

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think he's doing that by purposely withholding information

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying which is his kind of my argument, but I'm not saying this in a good way or bad way

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I just think it's an interesting thing to look at because he's going

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I want the same thing where there's so much implied I know that isn't explained

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_00]: But he's not doing that by accident. He's going let me write stuff

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure if you sat down with JJ Abrams, he'd be able to explain all to you

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I like having less explained but it also feels like at times he could give us a little more

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just yeah

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I know what you mean obviously and the original movie doesn't explain much either

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_03]: But like you're talking about something that is referenced

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_03]: It's all jumping off of things we already know but you've changed it in ways that don't totally make sense

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Agreed could have just whatever doesn't matter. I'm not saying it's we're moving on or bad

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I just think it's interesting now the last time the crawl sets up

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_03]: What's maybe my least favorite element of this entire an old ally has discovered some some you know a map to skywalkers

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Biggest a merit against JJ Abrams don't cast Max fancied on this party is this incredibly distracting. He plays a character called

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_02]: What's his name? It's like Tark Bob Fum something like that

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_00]: He's got like a lore Santekka lore Santa, yeah lore not Lord lore San

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Or San Tekka

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Max fun side-o what are the greatest actors of all time arguably one of the greatest actors who has ever been in movies? Yeah, I

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Mean one of the most incredible careers ever if you look at all the different things he's spanned all the different people

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_00]: He's worked with you know how much he's 86 years old

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_00]: He's gone through so many different iterations of of what film is been there along the way as like this medium

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And this industry developed in different countries, you know, yeah love Max

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Love him

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_00]: What's he doing in this open the movie with him? He has the first line. Oh wait producer Ben just stuck his head back in

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Taking the levels

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Bye, Ben. I love you, Ben

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_00]: He has the first line the movie

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which is like this should set things right or something which is pretty meta. I know

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_00]: it's a little meta and

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_00]: He's talking about dameron play by Oscar Isaac play by Oscar Isaac are

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Who is you know the

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_03]: The most daring pilot yeah

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_00]: But he like there's no character here. It's just like here's an old man giving something to someone

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean who the fuck an old ally who the fuck is this guy?

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so distracting when it's max on site you could have cast anybody in there

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_03]: We're nitpicking though anyway, he right cuz like let's not you know, but I mean yeah

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_03]: You got max on side-o who like obviously we've known was in the movie

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_03]: You know his his casting and max on side-o

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_00]: He was part of the original cast announcement along the leads and it's like okay great there. He is he gets

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_03]: This flash drive

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he has a flash drive to put dameron play by Oscar Isaac

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll say this I'll say this I think maybe the reason they cast max on side-o is

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Pretty much the first beat in the movie is Kylo Ren that the movies big villain. Yeah killing him

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes while hunting for this info and von side-o

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Just just murders this like one minute what maybe not even like forty second

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Confrontation with him. Maybe even less maybe like like where he's basically like a mix of sort of scornful and like

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Despairing about Kylo Ren who we obviously know nothing about but he also just sort of like gives up

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like I can't keep on you know

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I mean so maybe Abrams just wanted someone who could really sell the shit out of that scene

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But you know what just get some random English guy

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_03]: That was the trick George Lucas pulled over and over again. It usually works bunch of great stage actors

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_03]: You could get to play that part whatever so Kylo Ren you know

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It's more disannoying because you're like are we supposed to know who this is like?

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Is does he have some sort of analog in the original trilogy like no, but no he doesn't he's just Laura San Teca

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_00]: No, and I was almost expecting that later in the film other characters would like talk about him in ways that put him in

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right perspective and like they never did he's just an old guy hands a flash drive to put dameron

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Not a bad performance, but just distracted because you keep on going like there has to be a reason they hired max on cedow to do this and

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_00]: They it's never revealed. No whatever whatever

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh dameron gets this flash drive and is immediately

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_03]: besieged by Kylo Ren in this year on Jakku

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this deserty Tatooine planet almost identical pretty much tattooing. Yeah, um, but I mean I think wisely

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Look, I mean this is the remix. I'm talking about it's like Abrams was like we need to plan it can't be Tatooine

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_03]: There's too much mojo with that. Yeah, there's just like that's just there's a whammy on that one prequel whammy

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Original movie whammy. Well, just we'll just revive it. It'll be a new you know type of mm-hmm

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Also tattooing supposed to be in the outer rim. Yes, and this is not

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_03]: This is very much in the center of things and was the site of some sort of great battle that happened a long time ago

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Because there's like crashed starships everywhere. Yeah, and it feels shittier than Tatooine like it feels like even shittier than it's even shittier

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's like it's more

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_00]: What's the word I'm looking for

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's even more sparse. There's less civilization feels like they're less there's less life on it

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_00]: You know no hot no huts

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_00]: The huts really made the train turn on time in Tatooine, you know

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I do know

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so Kylo Ren comes in comes in troopers takes they look great. Yeah looks cool Captain phasma who's like his right hand

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I believe the first shot of the movie is those stormtroopers in the

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Ship right and like the light kind of rattling well

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_00]: We did the classic Star Wars shot where like the ship is overhead

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a moon and then the the under us actually

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you see how big the ship is and then it stormtroopers rattling which is immediately an interesting start

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm, and it's like lights flashing again like these little like you know seizure inducing

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Glimpses of like the stormtroopers in the wings waiting to and we're getting a sense of the mental experience of one of our

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Heroes Finn right, but we don't really know that yet

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_00]: But that is so then cut to lower Santaka hands the flash drive almost immediately they land land

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Start fucking up and they're shooting great moment. Let's say

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Poe dameron shoots his gun. I was about to say

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Poe dameron shoots his gun from the long range like a sniper kind of ray gun and

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Kylo Ren

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_03]: There's sort of Darth Vader type this black Mac mask clad, you know guy played by an driver

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_03]: But just flips around it stops the laser beam in

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Time there's just a laser beam in the air frozen in the cool pretty cool

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and Poe dameron, you know gets like that's it

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_03]: You know he's captured but luckily he put his flash drive in a little ball droid called BB8

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Who zaps off in the other direction?

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_03]: R2-D2 style mirror number one the film starts with someone got it's probably already mirror number four. Yes, but but big mirror

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah plans in the droid character who's about to be taken kidnapped

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Taking kidnapped what am I saying? I slept like three hours last night. He was about to be taken hostage

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Put this information in a droid and now this droid is left to wander the desert alone

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_03]: But let's let's talk about Oscar Isaac in this movie. We gotta talk about all these characters

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because he immediately is like giving Kylo Ren so much lip. Yes as the English might say

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_03]: He's just like totally ah

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_00]: This guy's fucking magic. He's one of the best. He's a great actors we have yes

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like incapable of having an

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_00]: uninteresting moment on screen

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm, and this is an interesting part for him because when they announced that he was gonna be in the film

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like well obviously Oscar has got a hard edge usually places people who are fucking angry at the world

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_03]: You know chip on their shoulder. It's like Louis Davis most violent year. Yeah, you show me a hero in HBO this year

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, even X machina is like this guy doesn't trust me. He's great in everything great performance

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_00]: But I thought okay, he's gonna be the Han Solo analog

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_03]: He's gonna be the character. We all thought because he's playing a pilot

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_03]: We all just thought he would be the slightly more cynical

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Fucking Star Wars bullshit. You know you've got your your two like kind of more moon-eyed leads. Yes

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_03]: John Boyega Daisy Ridley and then Oscar Isaac's in there to be kind of no he is the most earnest

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, lovable all shucks. I love flying a ship. Yeah, fuck you bad guys

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_00]: To the bad guys, but that's because he hates bad guys. He's a good guy guys

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like the least conflicted good guy I've ever seen he likes to fly his ship around and shoot bad guys

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's the best pilot in the galaxy

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_00]: But Oscar Isaac's such a good actor that it doesn't feel like man

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_00]: What a like lame like one-dimensional Boy Scout character. It's like no

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a real portrayal of a guy who just loves being good. Yeah

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he has no exact analog to the original movies. I would say he's probably the least

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Connected to the original movies. Yeah that way

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because everyone else in the original movies is not really part of the rebel framework to begin with

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, they're kind of they kind of get sucked into it one by one Luke Han

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Lando I feel like I kind of is but she's sort of her own thing

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like our three main leads from from the 70s movies that Leia Han and Luke

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like they put them all in one pot together and then stirred them up and then distributed all those pieces

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Amongst our three new leads. Yeah, there's no the leads do not have exact analog

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_03]: They have a mix map most of this movie has pretty solid analogs to the original movie

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Story wise a hundred not so much with these lead characters. Yeah, just have a little bit of everything. Yeah, Oscar Isaac's great

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_02]: He's not in this movie a time. No, I'm hoping they use him more in the future films every time on screen

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I was rock hard. He's great, but you know, he's there to as our entry character

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he gets captured by Kylo Ren. Yeah, he gets taken up

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Jakku is getting just massive these people are getting mass

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, Kylo Ren is after Luke Skywalker which this you know

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_03]: These plans supposedly would lead him to him and Kylo Ren kills Lorenz and Taka and then he's like troops kill them all kill

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_03]: them all so as

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_03]: They're all getting taken away one of the troops can't do it

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_00]: He can't shoot people they're like lined up all these civilians

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_00]: You see humans you see aliens and they all look sad defenseless children

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, of course very sad they all get murdered by these stormtroopers

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But one guy just can't pull his pull the trick and he's focusing on the stormtrooper

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_00]: You don't see his face like you know

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like this is this guy looks as masked and anonymous as anyone else and he also one of the stormtroopers gets shot

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess by Poe yes, and like puts a bloody paw print

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Handprint, you know on this storm which is great visual storytelling

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So while he has the helmet on you can tell which one anyway

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And so already Kylo Ren and this guy's commanding officer phasma who's this like chrome stormtrooper?

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_03]: They notice like something's up with this kid. He's not pulling his pull the trigger, but they're also like look we'll deal with that

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know this is clearly

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Well oiled machine that has no patience for whatever's going on any kind of individuality right

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_03]: But they're also like it's a kink will smooth it out

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_00]: So they get back on the ship and they go back to their base

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And then you see this stormtrooper the bloody helmet take his helmet off. It's Ray. It's Finn

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I think John Boyega, which we knew I mean if you've seen any trailer, you know

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_03]: He's the stormtrooper he you know

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_03]: We get a very brief idea of these stormtroopers rather than being like a clone base

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and this is even mentioned

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_03]: it's the one prequel thing that gets mentioned yeah is

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Hux and Ren are arguing about like they're the stormtroopers

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and you know they say like well clones. We know we want clones. Yeah, these are like brainwash

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_03]: They're like taken from families at baby age. They're like child soldiers and brainwash. Yes, they're like child soldiers

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like it's like brainwash. It's like they were raised within piece of no nation. I haven't seen it. It's all right

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty good. They were raised within this environment. They know nothing else and this is I think

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_00]: One of the places where JJ Abrams like really successfully identifies what makes Star Wars Star Wars

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a guy who's known nothing else in his life, right?

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_00]: He explains later. He was taken as an infant was trained for this

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_00]: This was his first mission. There's a funny twist where they say later in the film that he worked in sanitation

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_00]: This was his first mission and something just clicks in him

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_00]: What it's not gonna work

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like a moment where he's like am I the bad guy in this movie and just doesn't want to kill people

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's left ambiguous if it's just

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_03]: He's just one in a million and it just didn't work out. Yeah, or if there is some sort of larger force related

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Incident we don't know we don't know we don't know but he takes off the helmet and John Bega a

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Phenomenal actor conveys so much in the first look

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_02]: He's sweating and he's scared and he's a little boy. He like doesn't know what he's doing

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_03]: What I like about boy a good performance in this is it's a real performance. Yes

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_03]: He leaves the movie star performances to Ridley Daisy Ridley and Oscar Isaac

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and you know Harrison Ford right and he

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So much in this whole movie is so

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Discombobulated and doesn't let go of that and like doesn't let go of the fact that this guy is almost trying to keep up and be cool

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, everyone around him is so cool

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_00]: This is what I would say everyone else is giving a movie star performance

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And John Boyega is giving a character actor performance of a guy pretending to be a movie star

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_00]: His character is someone who wants everyone else to think that he's like the cool hero of the movie

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_03]: He's kind of like the teen sidekick. Yeah, who is like, you know could be the hero one day

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but right now is just kind of like looking at everyone else and being like, okay. All right. Okay. You're doing that

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, we're skipping ahead a little bit, but like there's it. There's an exchange that happens later

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_00]: between Finn and Han Solo where I kind of realized like oh

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_00]: This is who Han Solo was when he was 23

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Like when we meet Han Solo in a new hope he's like 34

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_00]: He's he's already been around the block and this is like Finn in like the fake it till you make it stage

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Right like Han Solo already successfully doesn't give a shit when we meet him and

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Like Han seems to recognize that. Han Solo at this point now what I like because in a new hope he's all he's like all bluster

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_03]: He's the cock of the walk. He's trying to be impressive. Right. The minute Obi-Wan leaves the bar table

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like Jesus Christ. Thank God they're hiring us in this movie

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_03]: When they're presented with like a stressful situation

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_03]: She's like, I don't know I'll do my usual bullshit

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It usually works out so you go like it's three stages the evolution of a type of person

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Right Finn is the guy who knows how he wants people to see him but doesn't know how to pull it off

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Han Solo is the guy who's able to pull it off successfully even though it's an act

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, an old Han Solo is the guy who's dropped the act and is finally just ready to be real

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Finn takes off the helmet immediately Captain faz was like who told you fucking take your helmet off

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I know put your helmet back Wendell and Christie place captain fast

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty small role, but you know what great voice really cool great voice amazing character design

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_00]: This armor looks unbelievable. She's got a little side cape little shoulder cape chrome armor

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_00]: But it also feels like like a metatextual thing of life stormtroopers aren't supposed to be care put your helmet back

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I know I actually like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good call

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_00]: You know that's a good call the whole idea is that they're anonymous force

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_03]: We don't see in any of the original movies a stormtrooper take his helmet off except for Han and Luke when they're pretending

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_03]: but that's quite count yeah, and

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_03]: It does seem wrong. It's like whoa no no no no one's supposed to know that there's a person under yeah

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean? Like you are the

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Sort of fist of the of well at this point the first order like yeah

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_00]: You're just fodder your cannon fodder and there's like a real humance point to this too, which is like

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_00]: You can't argue that everyone who fights on the wrong side of a war is in and of themselves

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_00]: You know I mean there are these moral quandaries that people pose about the original trilogy

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is like you know they blow up the Death Star

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_03]: There's you know what about the poor like garbage men on the death star or whatever

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_03]: You know like do you how how you know how much can blame be transferred among the employees of the Empire?

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know what that's war yes, right

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm a Jew who's eternally terrified of there being another Holocaust, but like it is naive to think that

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_00]: You know if you just grow up in Germany, and that's the guy who's in charge and he's enlisting people for the army

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure a lot of people had their Finn moments where they were like oh fuck what the fuck am I doing?

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's also like a lot of people get caught up in a world where they just don't have perspective

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You know they don't know that there is wrong

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not supporting Nazis. No, I know you're not but let's let's stay away from that

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And you get what I'm saying well but more but like to be fair this movie doesn't even

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't even dip into that moral territory so much because it's like no he was brain watch

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_03]: You know like they make it very clear. I'll say with the Hitler youth

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean that's a greater analogy or child soldiers is what we're saying my point is my point is they're going here is a

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Faceless mass that we have seen throughout these other movies his only name is FN

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_03]: 2187 never had a name code name. Yeah, okay, so he something just clicks something clicks with him

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_03]: He immediately Abrams like let's go go go

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_03]: You really fast let's you know he Poe gets free or no he frees Poe

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Poe is you know Kylo Ren's to

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Interrogate tries to get the information out of him can't do it reports back. It gets the information out of them

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, it's just the information is just it's in a droid right? Yeah

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_00]: It's that I gave the information someone else you can't have it

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and and so Finn frees him and says like can you you know

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm having this moment of crisis

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Can we get out of here and Poe immediately is like you just need a pilot, but okay?

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm your pilot so good. Yeah, they get in the tie fighter

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_03]: They get the fuck out of there go back to Jacu right which Finn is like whoa no no no no

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_03]: This is a funny beat in this movie over and over again

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that everyone Finn meets wants to go back to Jacu the site of his like trauma to cool

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like can we go anywhere else?

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_00]: We have spaceships even if I didn't have the worst moment of my life take place on that planet

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_03]: It's also just a good interesting plan. I should be you know Poe needs to go get BB8

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they get in this tie fighter the tie fighter crashes and they are separated pose basically out of the movie for the next hour

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I just want to step back for a second just

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_00]: The layers of the moment where where

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Finn is that you need a pilot thing. Yeah, that's how it's like immediately Finn like comes in and he's like

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_00]: He's sweaty he's sweaty scary this and that and Paul immediately sees through it

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And is like you're trying to get your own ass saved you want to pilot that's fine

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll help you just be honest with me. Don't fucking pretend that you're here

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_03]: What I like the moment where pin is like a fin is obviously like oh god

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what to do. Yeah, I'll get this guy out of here

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that'll work and he's like can you fly a type fighter like really nervous? Yeah, and Poe just goes

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I can play anything and Finn John Boyega flashes this like delighted grin movie star smile where he's just like

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, this is gonna work out this movie is gonna work out my world is gonna be cool now

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna have a cool life

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And and also let's say you're just so happy. Yeah, and a pose the one who names Finn

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like what's your name?

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_00]: 2187 right and he's like okay. Let's just call you Finn because you should have a real fucking person in

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Crashes he wakes up in the middle of the desert doesn't see this movie has like a one syllable to fit Poe Ray

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Great rocks like it run one one one rent. Yeah

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Um

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Crashes doesn't see Poe anywhere sees his jacket as the time to get sucked into like a sandpit

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is another classic Star Wars touch of just like

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Things could go wrong anywhere. This is quick sand the creatures everywhere like shit's just happening, right?

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_00]: So then takes off his stormtrooper armor puts on the resistance jacket and

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Walks from miles and miles and miles and miles across empty desert until he gets to like what seems to be a little village in jacuzzi

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, now let's pull back away from this because

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_00]: That's about Ray God's about Ray the hero of this movie the lead the lead character in the film

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_03]: The hero of this also they really tricked us. Yeah, which is good

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I like being tricked in this way not in the way that Abrams tricked us on

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Star Trek into darkness where the trick we could tell the country from the beginning

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Like we could tell the trick of Star Trek into darkness before

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_03]: The script was written. Yes, we were like they're gonna do con

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_03]: They're they're lazy. They're gonna do con that's the second movie

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You could tell that was the twist after Star Trek did well the first yeah, exactly the box office returns

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_03]: You're like next time con right right every one like we've cast Benedict Cumberbatch as

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_03]: John Harrison Johnny Smith man

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Fuck you we've cast him as white man. Nobody

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, I hate one

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_00]: They also did like fucking bonita del Toro was originally in talks to play con and then when he dropped out the short list was like four other

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Actors of Hispanic or Latino descent right and then they were like oh you thought it was calm

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_00]: But look we cast a white guy and everyone's like congrats on casting a white guy. Good. Good job. You white wash 30 years later

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you managed the fucking cons in like the 60s Star Trek they managed to cast a Latino actor now

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like yeah, but have you ever seen a white English actor villain whoa

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Just to throw us off your scent JJ Abrams has been appropriately contrived about Star Trek into darkness

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But I just want to say fuck Star Trek into darkness. It's his worst film still likely never tank a film that badly

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I agree

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_03]: So right he wrote regarding Henry let's he wrote Armageddon. Let's talk about Ray

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry that I got on that track anyway, you know in all the advertising

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I was just like oh boy a guy Finn this guy is this guy's the guy and Ray's gonna be the co-lead who's sort of the tinkerer the

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Pilot you know this sort of foil. It's her move. It's her movie full stop start to finish. Yeah front and back

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_03]: She's your Luke. Yeah, but she's kind of your hon and she's kind of your layer

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_00]: She's kind of all good all baby. She's one of the most fully rounded characters. We've ever seen it

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I saw someone I

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Forget who wrote this so Carrie talk about Ray first

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we first see her and she's like

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Like scourging around she's like she's a junk lady. She's like well

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_03]: She lives on jacoon it seems like life on jacoo sucks and

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Is defined by the fact that this like monumental battle happened decades ago

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So there are these crashed ships, right?

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_03]: She's scavenging in a star destroyer pulling little bits out of like a basically hollow star destroyer, right?

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_03]: She lives in a 8080 like in a destroyed 8080. Yeah, and she goes down to the market every day and

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you know trades in these bits for like a measly like ration of food from this sort of CGI

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Merchant character played by Simon Pegg. Yeah, not my favorite aspect of the movie although pegs voice is fine

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I like that. Yeah some of these creatures

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I was just like man. Why are you doing CGI here? Like double down? Well, no

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you what that creature was that was a fully practical suit with like a CGI face

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_00]: It was a fixed face and they did the express. I mean it was like the where the wild things are guess what buddy, but no, I don't know I

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_00]: liked it

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Little detail that I loved

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_00]: He like she gives him all the junk she's pulled together and he's like okay

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_00]: That's worth half a ration and he gives her like a packet of powder and she goes home

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Turns the pattern a plate pours water turns into bread. It's like that's a crazy future thing

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I know but in this bread was very cool in this planet. That's the worst food you could possibly know

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's so shitty. It's a green, but we're like what instant right now

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I know okay, so she eats it in the 8080

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever and she's like wandering around the desert and she sees

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Guy on like a crazy beast with a net trying to capture a little thing and who is it?

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_03]: It's our main guy BBA so she links up with this guy. She rescues him

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_03]: She has her first hero moment early on where the merchant offers her 60 rations. Yeah, BB8

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Knowing I think that this is like a wanted

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Droid they put out like a baby. Yeah, and she's like

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm sorry. Don't worry about it. Sissy rations really appetizing and once again like Finn

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_00]: She makes the human decision right like it's implied

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Abrams is doing some nice myth making here, but even when she sees them trying to capture BB8

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like she seems to have an empathy for droids that other characters in the movie do not like she seems to recognize that droids

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Have like feelings. Yeah, you know and we should say BB8 is the most incredible

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Creation so cool as much as he has been leaned on is like the toy of the movie the kind of like

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_03]: International star of the movie that everybody's gonna love he rocks

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_03]: He's real yeah, he moves with this sort of like real kind of sense of like you know the way his head moves

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so very human get a lot of character out of him

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's got a cool sort of different kind of voice

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like you know robot squeaky bloopy bloop boy done by quote-unquote consultants

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, they're in Ben Schwartz

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_00]: But he has like little gadgets pop out but it never goes into our

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_00]: He's got a little blowtorch

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Great moment where he gives him a thumbs up and then BB8 shoots out his blowtorch to approximate

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_03]: He's got these little like sort of wires that he can shoot out to kind of climb stuff. Yeah, he's great

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_03]: He's great love him love him his scenes with Ray are great great. They have a great chemistry

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So ray

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Was I could say about the baby ray captures BB8 gets the rations turns it down

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_00]: These are two characters who when faced with the decision where they could have selfish gain choose to do the more human thing

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_00]: The morality is strong

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't sell BB8. She's there these people are sort of asking, you know

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Like he goes like find the droid get it no matter what yeah, okay

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_00]: So Finn has now come into jacuzzi our two heroes are in the same area

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_00]: That is the sort of happenstance plotting that we've talked about right yeah

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Coincidence a toy story original trilogy thing and I was trying to isolate while watching this like why does it work here?

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_00]: But in the prequels

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone shows up at the right place at the right time and it feels forced and here's the massive difference, okay?

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think JJ rooms

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Identified this so well in the prequels they get in a ship. They land it happens to be at the door

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_00]: They go in there. There's an enemy right there. They fight them

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. Yeah, sir. It's like he's just moving pieces along a board game because he's rolled that number on the die

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and in the original trilogy there's a lot of coincidence right there is the same place

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_00]: But here's the big difference and this movie gets it right

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_00]: there's luck and happenstance that

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Gets the character to that point where they're in that place

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_00]: But then once they're in that position they make an active choice that defines them as a character

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, go ahead. So Finn is here because that's where he happened to land. He's on the desert

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_00]: He's wandering around he stops at this place because there's a watering hole. He is dehydrated, right?

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So he starts

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Souping water with his hands. There's this big bore creature there, right?

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, meanwhile bunch of thugs are trying to attack Ray

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Take BB a right. Yeah, Finn has his back to this

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_00]: He's just drinking water right drinking so much of it that this bore creature gets annoyed and like shoulders him and

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_00]: When he's shouldered he's now realigned. So he's looking straight on at Ray

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, now it's a coincidence that he was there. It's a coincidence that the bore hit him at that moment

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but what defines him is that he goes I need to help that one. Yeah

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, but then what I love and I think whatever one's gonna love don't well

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_03]: He tries to help her she's already taken care of it

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_03]: He grabs your arm and says we got to go cuz suddenly TIE fighters arrive

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And it looks like the Empire's you know the first or is about to route this thing and she's like yeah

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_03]: You don't need to hold my hand. I know how to run

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_03]: He keeps on holding her hand like it's so fine

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And she keeps being like dude like I don't need you to hold the hand like I can run you kind of need two hands to run

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he also just has a crush on her. Of course. He does doesn't she's the greatest. I would like to say this right now

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I love to take Daisy really after dinner. Yeah, I'd love to take John Boyega for dinner

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's do a double date John Boyega Daisy Ridley if you're listening

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I am single David is not we're both heterosexual if you want to go out on a date

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Two of us will take you out

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I had a non-speaking role in a national commercial that ran for one month this year. I could probably pick up the check

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, does that pay a lot?

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Cuz you know here like

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Some people like wow, you know this guy who's in this ad campaign

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like he's set for life and then other people like ads don't actually pay as well as you think they do but

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_00]: National does right national. Yes, I think I got paid a stupid amount of money in relation considering the work

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_00]: He did sure yes, I literally was one of eight faces on

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Screen trying to take a selfie with no dialogue for half a second and a 30 second ad

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I played a lot for a month and then it was out of date because cell phone

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Technology changes every two days

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_00]: But my point is I've stowed that away for a special day in a sock under my bed Daisy Ridley

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_00]: You want to go out for dinner? I'll pay for it with my Samsung. Mm-hmm money cool

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Like a pretty nice place not like a really don't push my budget, but I'll like there's a noodle shop in my neighborhood

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_00]: That's good, and I'll

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_00]: We got to move on cuz I don't even know how long we've done, but holy shit this episode is gonna be five hours long Daisy Ridley

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't need any help

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the best joke of the movie

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Check the time maybe the best joke the entire movie they're running away. They're explosions happening behind them

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_00]: They're now looking for BB-8 they're looking for Finn the first order is coming in you know

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_00]: The tie fighters are swinging down and they're like running and they're like we need a ship

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like there's a quad jumper right there

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_00]: We can get to it and they're like screaming at each other while they're like running towards it

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like what about that ship and she's like that's garbage

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_00]: We're not using that quad jump quad jumper quad jumper, and then they get to the quad jumper and immediately blows up

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And she goes he goes I guess we're gonna have to use the garbage

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, I think she doesn't he doesn't say anything. She just says garbage is garbage is fine garbage

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_00]: It is then I think she says

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever who cares great movie camera pans over. What is it? It's a millennium you see I actually

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm so stupid that I didn't see that

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I did not see it quickly enough that you don't even really think about it

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it's and the whole audience that was the first moment with the audience just burst into applause

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And it was like involuntary it wasn't even like showing approval. It was like because you're gasping you're just like

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god how well done

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I think I just turned to you and said nice work

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I went like good job give that was great

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they and they run into this and here it is the millennium Falcon and if you thought it looked like trash before

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like so beaten down. It's real beat up barely works. She's never flown it before

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_03]: He's never worked. It's like belongs to the ration guy. It belongs to the merchant

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_00]: He's gonna use it for John and they get in she gets in the cockpit

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_00]: He gets in the gunner and they just have this dogfight with the tie fighters trying to get away from them and get off of

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Jaku, and she can't sort of make the ship work. She can't get the hyperdrive to work

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna get into another gripe territory. I don't think the action scenes in this movie are very well done

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the actions a little flat. I agree

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that this scene where the Falcon is being chased by the tie fighters is the best one

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it's because it has kind of the same energy of that first scene where Luke is in the the gunner

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_03]: See where it's like Finn is almost just delighted to be even shooting close to these guys

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_00]: But also neither of them know what they're doing

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_00]: They've never sat in those chairs before and so there's like a tension from them figuring it out as they go along

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I think all the action beats in this movie are very well written. They have really good

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Story beats in them, you know, they're not just like shit happening

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_00]: There's like character moves happening within the beats and they build and they have like catharsis and all of that

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I just think and I don't know if it was

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Disney being scared if it was him not trusting himself because I think the action in the original Star Trek is a lot cleaner

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_00]: But there's a lot of fucking editing

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_03]: He edits a lot. I do think the action in Star Trek is cleaner

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's also Star Trek action, which is these sort of like big boat like ships, you know

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So there's only like a little slower ships at any given time. Yeah, usually so that helps. Yeah, it's fine

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I would it's not bad. It's kind of interesting

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I also wonder if again, he's trying to pull back from everything the prequels did wrong

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_03]: one thing the prequels did was have a lot of very

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Busy action not quit-cut action. Yeah, just you know an

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Overloaded frame with everything you can think of right, you know

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_03]: What's this the Falcon being chased by two fight high fighters one two and we see both high fighters get destroyed

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, here's my like it's the same with a lightsaber fight later where it's like there's no flubber. Yeah

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_03]: It's it reminded me we'll talk about it in a bit

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_03]: But it reminded me most of the Obi-Wan Darth Vader fight

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is almost like a kendo fight where they're just kind of putting as much so yeah

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, they're just you know hacking away at each other. It's not crazy Robics. It's sort fighting

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I think the prequel films he does too much busy-ness, but shot in a very classical way

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think this film is classical action sequences shot in too busy away

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree what I actually is the flattest part of I want the middle ground

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is the original Star Wars movies

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I zoned out slightly during the Mask-O-Tana action sequence that that

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_00]: They get a little hard to follow because he's cutting around so much

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_00]: There's so much coverage. They just they lack the big sweeping moment that you want

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_00]: You don't get those clean iconic images you don't hold on them

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_00]: You're not seeing motion within the frame the motion is established through camera moves and cutting and it's very hard to maintain a sense of

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Spatial geography when that's happening. Yeah, I'm a little hard to follow

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_00]: You can keep the emotional narrative because the characters are speaking throughout that you understand what they're going through

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_00]: The stakes are very clear it does do that thing we love where it's like every five minutes in the movie

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a clear objective

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know what the characters need to get done

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_00]: You understand emotionally what it means to them characters this movie are so fucking good

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_00]: This is the level just a harp on this that he hits it so far out of the park is like our new characters are great performances

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, that's what I was calling up. I forgot about this Dan Coice

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I think his name is I can't remember. He says last name KOIS. Oh, yeah

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_03]: We're good friends on Twitter slight writer great great guy love him wrote an article saying this is the first Star Wars movie

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Without a single bad performance agreed. He's not wrong

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_00]: There's one we'll do a quick performance review. Wait, who don't you like there's one? I think is okay

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we'll do a performance because I liked her. I know and there's one that you said you weren't crazy about

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about it at the end of the episode

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I think we both had one that we had reservations but nonetheless like everyone's doing a good job a lot of pros

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the characters are really well written a bubble else

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_03]: They are she been going for an hour and we haven't even mentioned Han Solo's arrival yet. It's crazy

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_03]: But I will say the first act of this film. Yeah is the best act of the film

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It is the most it's like most of the myth-making and storytelling and cable setting is happening here

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's the slowest part of the movie and the least plot, you know

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Centric, you know least, you know

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Least Star Wars II, you know, it's just stuff. It's characters doing stuff. We left out one

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, because it's important. I guess it's such a little crying out

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Podcast awakens people are waiting for this we gotta go ahead. Go ahead. What is um?

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how well how directly it's highlighted here how much more it comes into play later

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_00]: But the key to Ray as a character is her family left her on jacuzzi. Yeah in this AT-AT

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_00]: She's like marking off the days how many days she's been alone and she just will not leave jacuzzi

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Because she believes they're gonna come back for her something right and so when she gets caught off in this adventure

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_00]: She's immediately kind of like I shouldn't be away from this one

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_00]: What if my parents come back right now?

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_03]: She doesn't even ever say parents or maybe she says it was a family but like yeah, we just know she

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_03]: She's like that kid who'd like has been telling herself a lie so long

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_03]: It's become true where it's like my parents are coming back though. So

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know she's like the kid in the foster home or the group home who's like

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But my parents just went on a mission and they have to return yeah

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is a thing I like we said this last night, but like I don't really kind of an again because he's you know

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_00]: In Phantom Menace

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Not the main character. This is the first Star Wars movie where when I was seeing it for the first time

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Heroes are younger than I am yeah, and I like that the two heroes main heroes in this film Finn and Ray are

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Self-sufficient they've had to learn how to become adults in weird circumstances

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_00]: But they also are very childlike in certain ways

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And so like Finn has been like trained this and that but he's also just like kind of a scared little boy

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Who's wants everyone to think that he's like grown up and Ray is like actually self-sufficient

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Fucking does it all on her own, but still is like but my mommy's going back right?

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_03]: So they're on the move I agree with you so they're on the Millennium Falcon. Yeah

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Quickly things start to go wrong

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, get it tractor-beamed into a big sort of like freight ship right and here's what I like about this scene

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, apart from that introduced as Han Solo and Chewbacca who are good

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Spoiler that I like spoiler is that Ray and Finn are like I know what we'll do

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll put this do Hickey in the engine and that'll flood it with poison yeah, because they think it's a

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Business Han and Chewie come in and briefly are like oh Jesus

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Are they gonna like flood this room with poison gas and like they were gonna have to deal with all that

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know and Han and Chewie come in they have their mom. We're home

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_03]: It was from the trailer, you know and and immediately they're like hey, what are you doing?

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_03]: The great

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Needs to be said just right off the bat

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Here's in four days

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Greatness this is his best work in years agree

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_03]: He's so awake and alive though. I will say I didn't see the age of Adeline and I heard some people liked him in that

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I defend morning glory

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_00]: but but he's yeah, but morning glory is is an

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Excuse for him to give a lazy performance

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Like because his character is supposed to be giving a ladies

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's sort of a weird work around like movies like Cowboys and Aliens

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and others recently that we have suffered through like Ender's game. Yeah, or I don't know what's another one

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_03]: You know even even crystal skull the heartbreaking to watch he just seems a little

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Detached and he's like in it. He's having a blast in this movie

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Averins is a good actors director great actors. He always has been yeah, he's one of the best

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Finders of talent in Hollywood. He's also really good at juggling an ensemble

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_03]: He's good at helping which we're talking about the guy who found Jennifer Garner. Yep, you know who found half that lost cast

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_03]: You know he's

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know Greg Grumberg just kidding but

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Who is in this movie infuriatingly? Yeah, they're like every time Abrams dropped a reference to his annoying like and I love JJ

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Abrams but his annoying like cannon of shit like there's a Kelvin Ridge reference in there

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like JJ back off. This is Star Wars

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_00]: There's no slush oh shit at least no slush oh no red ball. Yeah

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_00]: So Hansel immediately sees through it. Yeah, and he's just like

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_00]: You know

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_00]: What are you guys doing? I'm fucking Han Solo and they're I am Han Solo. They're like you're Han Solo

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're like you're though the rebel general like that's who you are and then Ray's like no you idiot the smuggler the famous smuggler

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's I love they both have different reference points for him because he was probably trained to like know Han Solo as an anime

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah rebel rebel bad rebel man, right?

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like hearing just like he's like the badass

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_03]: He did the Kessel Run in 14 parsecs and he's like 12. God damn it

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is great, but she's like hearing like the street level talk about like who Han Solo is yeah

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And immediately you can tell I kind of likes these two kids. It's true

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_00]: It's true and they're like so you did all this that Luke Skywalker all of this

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like alright because they tell him the BB-8 has the map to Luke Skywalker and they and so we just get just a little bit

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah of Han Solo's melancholy where he's like, yeah, I knew Luke. Yeah, I mean he's not even upset about it

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_03]: He's just like yeah

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's all true all that shit was I used to think it was bullshit, but it's true

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Just then like knock knock knock a rabbit tap tap at the door. Who is it?

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_00]: space pirates

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_03]: This is I would say the worst part of the film agreed not terrible

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But not good not good some people were comparing it to like it saying it's the most prequely part of the movie sure

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's very Abrams

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because there are these random creatures that Han Solo is supposed to be smuggling that are just like fucking rejects from the clover field pile

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're just like teeth tentacle things or that snow creature from Star Trek the first Star Trek

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, or that's no creature from the second Star Trek. I bet there was one for the monster from Super 8

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_00]: He designs monsters in a very similar way all the other creatures in this film look like Star Wars of creatures and in this

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_00]: This is like just like a JJ

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway bunch of British pirates come on cool bad guy enforcers and a bunch of actors on the raid come on do no stunts

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Whatsoever who was these Scottish or whatever guy didn't know but I liked him. Yeah, I mean I

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Didn't like this sequence. I think the idea is like Han

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_03]: He's up to his smuggler ways again

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, oh he's got everyone on the go and that's kind of cute where he's like playing them off of each other

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_03]: but then just a bunch of shit occurs and

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just an excuse for them to get in the Falcon and get out of there, which they do

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_00]: So whatever whatever I don't really want to dwell on that scene. It's not good. I don't know where it happens in the crowd

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Do the film but at one point a

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Underling comes up to Kylo Ren and tells him that the girl and the droid got away

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And he like takes a deep breath

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Takes out his lightsaber and just like cuts up the wall

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_03]: He says

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_03]: The droid got away

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Ren cuts up the wall with his lightsaber throws a tamper tan right and then he's a little baby

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Then the guys like he was with a girl and Kylo Ren just pulls him over with a force and is like girl

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so two levels of you know, yes

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So let's talk about Kylo Ren also much like Finn and Ray is like a child

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_00]: He's a child who's trying to be seen as an adult and who's in the shadow of these movies of these original movies

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember when it happens. I'm pretty shortly revealed. It's about 40 minutes in the movie

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, general Huxley by Donald Gleason and Kylo Ren go to report to Supreme Leader snow

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Kylo Ren does not seem to be part of the first-order proper

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_00]: He seems to be like someone they hire on you know to help them with it because they have similar interests, you know the

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of yeah

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_00]: But Donald Gleason is directly, you know, both of them seem to be taking direct orders from snow

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_00]: This is my least favorite thing in the movie

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_00]: This is your least oh snow yes mind

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_03]: The stakes are high for this character and they they whip

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Ben will love it. He's big. He's really big at least he's projected as big well

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the dumb like twist, but I think it was dumb

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was fine. They walk into a room

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a guy who's like 70,000 feet tall sitting on a 70,000 foot throne

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_00]: He looks like a very nondescript like CGI motion capture thing. Yeah in interviews Andy circus

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_00]: It's at any circus place no and people were like oh

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_00]: JJ Abrams is like, you know selling the practical essence of the film

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Why is this character gonna be motion capture?

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And he was like I think when you see the character you'll understand why physically it couldn't be done with makeup and pristine

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. Nope. I don't see that don't even see why it had to be done with CGI

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Now I did read that this character's design was settled on late in the process would not be surprised because I think they just went through a

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Lot of stuff. Yeah, they settled on a very generic look

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_03]: He's this sort of bald scarred weird sort of baby looking freak one of his ears is missing

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_00]: He's missing a big chunk of his cheek, but they could have done that as CGI augmentation

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_00]: He looks like the fuck what's the kid in the goonies?

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_00]: The kid in the good you're talking about chunk

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sort of I had an allergy last night

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_00]: But I was really proud of I think he looks like the Voldemort on the back of Professor Quarles had the original hair

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, then that's fair. It's just because it's like it's featureless almost

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It's sort of nondescript and it also feels like a placeholder kind of thing in the same way that for the first

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Harry we're like we'll get his look we'll get to it later. We just need to invoke an idea

[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_00]: But I remember here rumors that like Snoke was gonna be like a fucking snake and like shit like that

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So he's a big guy and he's a hologram that is bigger

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_00]: We've only all ever seen holograms that are tiny and now he's a big hologram Ben will love it, but he's just kind of

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Visually bland and not really well explained. I would have liked a little more

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Snoke or a little more fleshing out of snow, but the big thing he drops

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's he who drops it

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It's he who drops it

[01:11:11] [SPEAKER_00]: He mentions it offhandly because they all know he just mentions as part of a sense they go there with your father Han Solo

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_03]: That's where the Twisters are real. It's amazing this movie is already leaving me, okay crazy

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_03]: It's also at 50 minutes. He just like stiffened up. Yeah because like

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Congratulations Abrams you did it. You kept that completely in the dark

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I turned to each other and we're like did I just hear that right? We were just like okay, okay?

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I that's how I thought I was like alright alright

[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Just keep moving the movie doesn't take any time to like fucking land that punch and like deal with the reverberation

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_03]: It just keeps moving it is the puzzle piece to this world that Abrams has decided on which is this world where the three main

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_03]: characters are sort of scattered to the winds and

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_03]: It's that Luke

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Unseen in this movie until the very end

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Luke

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Train was trying to train a new order of Jedi's and Han and Leia's kid

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Turned to the dark side this kid, you know Ben is his name

[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and that tragedy which is a seismic tragedy

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, is what kind of like put them all in their own direction

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So Han goes back to being a smuggler kind of haunted by it

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Leia just like bear borrows down with as like a general in the resistance and Luke goes off to try and find the first Jedi

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Temple on some sort of you know vision class essentially he just doesn't want to fucking he's like look at how much damage

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I've cost, you know how much I hurt my best friend and my sister. I don't want to be doing this anymore

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_00]: um

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Hello ran is a great character great performance by Adam driver

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Immediately the child tantrums are makes sense where it's like this is a guy really at odds with himself

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And who lives in the shadow of Darth Vader?

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_03]: He's obsessed with Vader his grandfather and Princess Leia

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And Luke Skywalker

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I think there is but like talk about three movies Lucas had to make an impetuous

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Privileged, you know sort of Jedi like burdened by the weight of expectation. Yeah blew it blew it blew it

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Adam driver kills it

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But the characters also very well written and very well characters well written but well kept oh he kills it because like Adam driver has been

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Having tantrums on girls for years. Yeah throws a great tantrum

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But this is a different tenor of tantrum, you know for sure it's got a different texture to it

[01:13:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's unnerving he is scarier

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Because of how human he is and how foyable he is and how scared he is, you know, yeah like and

[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_00]: There's the moment where he's talking to the Darth Vader helmet

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean they reveal it as the Darth Vader helmet

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_00]: But he's essentially like the biggest Darth Vader nerd in the world and

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like talking to the helmet about how scared he is that he feels being pulled to the light

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_00]: He's struggling with he's like just let me out of this. I don't want to be a fucking good guy

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I think this movie this is a very meta movie

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I agree with a JD Amato said when he was on this podcast that like every film is in some way

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_00]: About the person who made it, you know, every film is kind of autobiographical

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_00]: It's about the filmmaker and I think this movie is

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_00]: These three characters are so defined by their relation to what has come before in this galaxy

[01:14:16] [SPEAKER_00]: But this is a movie about like trying to understand the weight of what Star Wars is in our culture

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Because like 30 years have passed 40 years have passed and these kids are like coming to terms of what happened before they were born

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and trying to continue the legacy

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he feels like his legacy is to continue being Darth Vader that there needs to be a Darth Vader in the world

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, you know and and Finn is trying to figure out where he fits within the stormtrooper. I mean it's really smart

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. I mean the way Han and Leia put it is like he had too much Vader. That's like their sort of or at least that's Hans

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_03]: rationalization

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_00]: What's also the sins of the father thing like like every child

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_00]: inherits the good and the bad of their parents and you can't tell which side's gonna win out, you know

[01:14:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is writ large the bad is

[01:15:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Thoroughly evil not just like oh, he's a you know a little emotionally disconnected but like

[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_03]: This movie is setting the same vague

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Ark in motion for Kylo Ren which is like a possible redemption. It's the yes

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know like and not saying like that's absolutely where the movie has to be pointed towards

[01:15:22] [SPEAKER_03]: We don't know but it feels like like Leia certainly is convinced like he's not lost to us forever

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_00]: we could get him back and

[01:15:30] I

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Get chills just thinking about the directions they could go with this character in the next two movies

[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Like who knows where they're going but I mean my mind some of the possibilities and they're all equally exciting

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I agree. I love Kylo Ren. He's a great fucking character

[01:15:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Cool character like the way you can hear drivers voice even in the modulation. Yeah when he's got the helmet on

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I like that. He's an unscarred, you know, he's no Vader. Yeah, they're wore that mask for a reason

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_03]: You're not quite sure why Kylo Ren wears his mask like he's obsessed except except except star wars

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Except as he wants to be as cool as the Star Wars characters

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And he also someone tweet today

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_00]: But like he's very much I feel like it is that is a character of our time

[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_00]: He feels very much like a gamer gate kind of guy. I guess so he's he's this guy with a sort of impotent rage

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_03]: He's angry at the world angry at the world and he has no good reason to be right except

[01:16:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Like this sort of vague thing he latches on to which is like well Darth Vader was my grandfather

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And and the fact that Darth Vader had that much power

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Had more power that anyone ever had is the most appealing thing to him

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_00]: He just wants to be powerful and he wants to be

[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_03]: The biggest mystery that needs to be clarified and I assume will be a part of these later movies is like what role is

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Snoke play in this is he an important one

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Is he like the emperor to you know, Rens yeah, and like how's that gonna play out and can it play out differently?

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought there was gonna be a Snoke twist and there wasn't they just leave him perhaps

[01:16:59] [SPEAKER_03]: There's something I mean I'll say Abrams is a mystery box guy. He puts a lot of mysteries in a box

[01:17:03] [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't let most of them out

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I will say also. I just had a disassociated moment where I just was like, oh right

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_00]: We've seen this movie and we're talking about this isn't speculation because I had in my head

[01:17:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Speculated I mean and people on the internet speculated for so long about this fucking movie. Well, you were saying to me that you were so surprised by

[01:17:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Kylo being Han-Sum because you hadn't even thought of it

[01:17:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I hadn't even thought and I said I thought of it because I thought of every single option

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_00]: But I was because I thought through everything that could happen. I was equally surprised

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I had made an effort not to think too hard. I'll admit I thought way too hard about it

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_00]: But every time a scene happened in the movie. I was crossing six scenes off the list, which was surprising to me, you know

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_03]: There was so much about Luke, you know, why aren't we seeing Luke? Where's Luke?

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Why isn't Luke in this like where is he in the promotion?

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And the thing is yeah, he's literally there are two shots of Luke one of his hand in a dream that Ray has and his face

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Right at the end. Well, so let's get that that's next part of the film

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_00]: They go down to a bar run by Maz Kaneda. Yeah, so Han Solo leads them over to this bar

[01:18:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I know someone will figure shit out. Yeah, Maz is

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So this bar is like a most-sizedly cantina

[01:18:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Analog yeah Maz

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Is kind of like a chirpy old lady version of Yoda

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I'd say she's like Yoda meets B Arthur's character from the holiday

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that her closest analogist B Arthur's character in the holiday special tune in next week to hear us discuss

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_03]: B Arthur's performance in Star Wars the holiday special maybe my second favorite performance in the Star Wars universe

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_03]: It's probably my favorite performance given in a film

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, probably maybe my favorite character ever maybe my the my favorite thing about us as a human race

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'd say she's great. My favorite thing that has ever happened in my life

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Was getting to watch that perform. Yeah

[01:18:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, that's who she's sort of playing and she looks a lot like my grandmother

[01:18:52] [SPEAKER_00]: It needs to be said

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Maz Kaneda looks and moves a lot like my dead grandmother

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It was a little unnerving to me my grandmother was also tiny

[01:19:01] [SPEAKER_00]: She wore a lot of bangles and bracelets and then had tiny eyes and oversized glasses

[01:19:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Maz Kaneda has like these goggles that she like has toggles and she like adjust them to make her eyes bigger smaller

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And one point she flips away and her eyes are like microscopic and that reminds me my grandma Rossi who is dead RIP Rossi

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_00]: She died in 2004

[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Right after I saw spider-man 2 I got the news. I'm sorry. It was the best times. It was the worst of times

[01:19:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I was Kaneda. Yeah, Kanata Kaneda played by Academy Award winner Lupita in Naya. Go great actress

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I like this performance. You didn't so much or you were okay with it. We'll talk about it. Yeah, we'll talk about it

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Me you know she sees right through everything. She's like a thousand years old

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_03]: She's got these goggles. Yeah that are like peepers, you know

[01:19:47] [SPEAKER_03]: She can kind of like I mean the way the movie very vaguely pokes it

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_03]: She's no Jedi, but she's almost like force goggles like she can just see the force

[01:19:55] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot like the his dark materials books where like I don't know if you read them

[01:19:59] [SPEAKER_03]: But we're like dust which is the sort of magical transitive thing

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of settles around people and I just assumed she just you know, she kind of picking up on aura

[01:20:07] [SPEAKER_03]: She's not like a horny crystal lady. Yeah, she's got a real crush in Chewbacca. Oh, she loves it

[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is what my boyfriend which was my favorite part of her

[01:20:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Appearances in these movies and I hope she comes back and I assume she will she will definitely and

[01:20:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Because like she has Luke Skywalker's lightsaber and Han Solo's like where the fuck did you get that?

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is a good question because it last we saw it was on Cloud City. Well, she also immediately identifies

[01:20:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Finn and she's like I can see through you're scared and you're running and he like drops the act

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_00]: There's the great moment where like

[01:20:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Finn is trying to sell this happens earlier we skipped over this or Finn is trying to sell the Han Solo

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like a resistance illusion and he's like I'm kind of a big deal and he's like okay, okay big deal

[01:20:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And he says but women are he's like I give you one piece of advice. Yeah

[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_00]: and so like Han Solo like

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Sees himself. I think in Finn calls him out on it, but he's still lying to Ray and

[01:21:01] [SPEAKER_00]: He like comes clean at this moment. He does because Mars can see through him. Yeah, right and he's like, I'm a stormtrooper

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a resistance fighter. I'm not supposed to be here

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I just need to she sees through him

[01:21:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and she but the thing is in the central point of this scene is that this the

[01:21:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Lightsaber calls out to Ray she hears like an echo. She goes

[01:21:20] [SPEAKER_00]: She gets it

[01:21:21] [SPEAKER_03]: She has these visions which I need to see the movie again to just sort of like get a little more of a crystal clear sense of what she's

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Seeing but she's very dense herself being abandoned

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_03]: She sees a flash of Luke with his robot arm touching yeah or two and rain

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and like a showdown with Kylo Ren like she sees a lot of stuff. Yeah, it terrifies her. She runs away

[01:21:40] [SPEAKER_00]: It's the refusal of the call as canada's like that lights that were called to you

[01:21:44] [SPEAKER_00]: It's you called to two people before you need to take that and she's like I'm not fucking touching. I think ever again

[01:21:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sorry, buddy. You are but um so but like that's the refusal of the call

[01:21:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, raise out of there

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then she gets sucked up by the invading Imperial force

[01:21:59] [SPEAKER_03]: We you know we don't even really talk about it the first order shows up and kind of fucks it up

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Does that happen? Yeah, so she doesn't meet Leia at that point in the movie no lays on a mask and a distinct

[01:22:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Where did when she lands her ship?

[01:22:13] Yeah, yeah

[01:22:14] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a laya is there right she doesn't meet Leia though because Leia is like she only meets Leia later or it doesn't matter

[01:22:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I come on. We you know yeah, but but but Finn gets the lightsaber

[01:22:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is kind of weird my is like all right well you take someone should take it

[01:22:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I think she just sort of knows like it'll end up in the right spot

[01:22:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I think mas canada has been around the block. You understand such it works

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Finn's like I'm getting out of here. Yeah, the call is being refused at this from both Han Solo

[01:22:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Literally saying to them like work with me. I like you kids. Yeah, and they're like both like

[01:22:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if we want to be like

[01:22:47] [SPEAKER_03]: We don't know if we can carry that after being so excited about being leads in the like the scenes in the Falcon earlier are then being like

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't believe it. We're in the Star Wars movie, but they're like maybe they're calling our bluff

[01:22:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Now they're like oh shit's getting real overseas box office, you know as built in pre pre established names

[01:23:03] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't know if we're gonna do well in those territories

[01:23:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So Finn is like you know mas canada is like hey, I know some guys who are leaving can hitch a ride with them

[01:23:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Ray just sort of runs off with BBA and

[01:23:15] [SPEAKER_03]: There in the forest she runs into Kylo Ren who freezes her in the same way that and he's like you have the information

[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I need yeah, you're coming with me. Yeah, so he takes her BBA rolls away

[01:23:25] [SPEAKER_03]: BBA rolls away hooks back up with everyone else right right so right so this is these are

[01:23:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is where people who are complaining about this movie start to be like alright everything's a little convenient

[01:23:34] [SPEAKER_00]: My problem is I don't care if the movie works when I'm watching it. I care so right Ray gets kidnapped

[01:23:40] [SPEAKER_00]: BBA rolls away finds Finn Han Solo and

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Shubhaka who are in the forest when a ship lands and who gets off that ship but

[01:23:50] [SPEAKER_00]: General Leia, Organa Carrie Fisher giving what I'll call right now my favorite performance in the movie

[01:23:56] [SPEAKER_00]: She's terrific. She doesn't have a ton of screen time. She's got a good amount

[01:23:59] [SPEAKER_00]: It's fine. She comes in late, but once she comes in she's got a good amount. I was

[01:24:05] [SPEAKER_00]: So astonished by the first thing is Jesus Christ like you talk about dust

[01:24:10] [SPEAKER_00]: You talk about four Sora the fucking chemistry between Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher is just like some weird energy source

[01:24:17] [SPEAKER_00]: That has not diminished at all

[01:24:19] [SPEAKER_00]: The second they come on screen and they're in the same frame together

[01:24:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just silence. She gets off the ship

[01:24:24] [SPEAKER_00]: They look at each other and the whole audience gets chills because it's like oh, this is sexy couple

[01:24:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're old they're gray, but they fuck a sexy cop

[01:24:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and like there's a lot unresolved

[01:24:34] [SPEAKER_03]: But we understand what sort of drove them apart and she's she loves them

[01:24:37] [SPEAKER_00]: They're sharing this moment and then what happens of course

[01:24:40] [SPEAKER_00]: head in on

[01:24:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Game JJ. It's a very fun game of all the introductions of past characters. It's it's the most on point

[01:24:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, oh, Mr. Solo. Yeah, I don't know if you recognize me because of my red arm

[01:24:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, great show. I think it was a great joke because it's never explained again. He's got a red arm. I don't know right

[01:24:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Great show, but he's obviously very hung up on his red arm because he's always hung up on his appendages

[01:25:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, hon and this is the first performance

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_03]: This is the first real performance Carrie Fisher has delivered since I don't even know what that's why I was so surprised

[01:25:13] [SPEAKER_03]: movies

[01:25:13] [SPEAKER_00]: little movies

[01:25:16] [SPEAKER_00]: family therapists and Austin Powers or like the nun and J and silent Bob strike back

[01:25:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember the last time. I mean it might be like when Harry met sour. Yeah

[01:25:26] [SPEAKER_04]: That's why it was so impressed and she has like a decent part in drop dead Fred

[01:25:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, like but you know yeah, I mean she gives little cameos all the time

[01:25:35] [SPEAKER_00]: That's she you know was a great actress

[01:25:37] [SPEAKER_00]: But in the last 20 years has mostly reinvented herself as like a novelist, you know humorous a humorous writer

[01:25:45] [SPEAKER_00]: A broadway one-woman drinking right but I sort of made herself more of like a

[01:25:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Humor personality and an advocate for electroshock therapy, right?

[01:25:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I remember remember she was on Craig Ferguson once it was like obviously really trying to because Craig Ferguson

[01:26:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Is this fellow recovering alcoholic trying to really get him into it and Craig Ferguson was very obviously like yeah

[01:26:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not gonna do let's not talk about this Craig. It's great. Yeah, anyway. She's great in that episode of 30 Rock

[01:26:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but but this is the first time we've seen her take on like a real meaty role and

[01:26:19] [SPEAKER_00]: You immediately like are

[01:26:23] [SPEAKER_00]: When when Carrie Fisher goes on like the today show with her dog and his fucking razor sharp and super funny for ten minutes

[01:26:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the best interview in the history of television. She's the best

[01:26:33] [SPEAKER_00]: You're like oh man Princess Leia really was a long time ago

[01:26:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Like this woman is is lifetimes beyond that it's true

[01:26:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And so you go is she gonna be able to capture the same spirit of Princess Leia and she totally does the second she walks on screen

[01:26:45] [SPEAKER_00]: You go this isn't Carrie Fisher. This is Princess Leia

[01:26:47] [SPEAKER_00]: She's older and wiser, but she also feels like she has less to prove

[01:26:51] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, she's not giving like you know

[01:26:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean Princess Leia in the first like two movies especially is like fuck you to everybody because everyone undervalues her

[01:27:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Right, no one takes her seriously right and in this she's

[01:27:03] [SPEAKER_00]: General Leia or Ghana. He doesn't have anything to prove

[01:27:06] [SPEAKER_00]: She's just fucking is and her banter with Han is immediately amazing. I'm coming

[01:27:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Everywhere we're complaints in the theater

[01:27:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Complaints because I was coming too much. I

[01:27:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Also, I should mention went to the movie dressed as Wada you did I was dressed as Wada. He looked great

[01:27:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I looked so they're talking they explained the whole situation and they're like we're gonna help you find that girl

[01:27:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a new girl we're gonna help you find that girl. Yeah, I think they keep doing this thing

[01:27:40] [SPEAKER_03]: where

[01:27:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Han is like talking about Ray or about to talk about Ray they do with Mosca Tana and I think Mica Tana

[01:27:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And they do it with Leia where they cut away before he actually says anything about her

[01:27:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think to lead to dangles some mystery sure

[01:27:59] [SPEAKER_00]: They go like who's this girl and then they cut away and shit like that and because like could Ray be like Luke's kid

[01:28:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I really hope not you know who knows

[01:28:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be really happy if she has no relation and the fact that they don't show her parents are

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So we're talking about this afterwards

[01:28:13] [SPEAKER_00]: There is that flashback when she touches the lightsaber and you see her as a little girl crying and being held back by the

[01:28:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Simon Pegg character as the ship leaves and her parents leave right yeah

[01:28:22] [SPEAKER_00]: She is young but she is old enough that she would remember her parents

[01:28:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Remember what they look like who they were right? She's a five maybe

[01:28:31] [SPEAKER_00]: and so I

[01:28:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't think her parents are anyone she meets within the movie

[01:28:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And she is so like such a fan of like the Luke Skywalker lore Han Solo as a smug

[01:28:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Look, she knows the Star Wars stories that if it was any of those people she would know that

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_00]: My hope is her parents will be revealed in a future film to be new characters who have an important place

[01:28:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's gonna be Luke. I really hope it is yeah

[01:28:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's like Luke put her in someone else's arms much as he was putting someone's arms

[01:29:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And then those people left her yes, I think that's so convoluted. I hope it's new characters

[01:29:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I really hope they don't do that. We'll see really hope they anyway

[01:29:10] [SPEAKER_03]: We've talked for a long time. Yeah, I think we've talked about everything we love about this movie Finn

[01:29:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Was it gonna get on the ship with the other people and it's like no, I'm a fucking

[01:29:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a hero to go get right right they get back to the base

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_00]: He's motivated to go get ready. He's po dameron again. He's like my buddy keep my jacket

[01:29:26] [SPEAKER_00]: You're great. It's good on you and everyone's like he keeps on confessing to people from this point on that

[01:29:31] [SPEAKER_00]: He's a stormtrooper like with shame and they're like that's great

[01:29:34] [SPEAKER_00]: You thank you. You're here now shows a good guy and you get to help us out now

[01:29:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Like it doesn't matter where you were born

[01:29:40] [SPEAKER_00]: It matters what you choose to then there's this scene a hero can come from anywhere

[01:29:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll say as a fan of cinema. I felt was superfluous. There's this 20 minute wedding scene between me and po dameron

[01:29:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's that was yes like then I enter the film and I am married to po dameron in a moving wedding ceremony

[01:29:57] [SPEAKER_03]: That's obviously was the highlight of my life

[01:30:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Right

[01:30:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's also there is that 45 minutes section where I take Daisy really that's a noodles in my neighborhood and

[01:30:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Have a really tough time making eye contact with her and she interprets that as me not being interested

[01:30:08] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's actually because I'm so interested that I can't function and then the next six months are us having weird

[01:30:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Conversations and then like it comes then okay like five years later

[01:30:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And we admit that we both had a crush on each other at the time, but we couldn't act upon it

[01:30:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Alright Griffin, how you doing good the movies great great movie anyway, go dameron. He's back

[01:30:25] [SPEAKER_03]: He's not dead the movie like kind of pretends he's dead. He's not dead

[01:30:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know there's a character merchandise spotlight. There's a character named constable zoo vio

[01:30:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Who is all over the toys? They made him in like multiple sizes six inch and a three and a three quarter inch

[01:30:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And like a lot of him and he's like wearing like sort of like robes and then he's got like a cone hat and

[01:30:46] [SPEAKER_00]: A weird alien eye and his face is covered by like a scarf right

[01:30:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh and they're like the bio on the back of the toys because what when the movie was coming out you read the bio

[01:30:55] [SPEAKER_00]: That's all you had to go off of was like constable zoo vio is a law enforcer who patrols

[01:31:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Chacoo chases our heroes

[01:31:02] [SPEAKER_00]: This character is not in the movie. Yeah, he was once no no he in the flashback of

[01:31:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Ray as a little girl you see him in like silhouette when she touches the lights every seeming silhouette

[01:31:14] [SPEAKER_00]: He's not in the film. Okay, there are theories that there was a sequence or two shot in the movie of Poe

[01:31:22] [SPEAKER_00]: When he crashes somewhere different being chased by this guy anyway, that's all cut all cut

[01:31:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But we just figure it out. He was thrown from the TIE fighter and he made it back. Yeah

[01:31:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, what this point on I mean it's like classic Star Wars

[01:31:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It is almost a little too classic

[01:31:36] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll hit the basic the big thing that we have to talk about but like once again

[01:31:40] [SPEAKER_00]: They identify within Starkiller honestly the only big thing because oh

[01:31:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Circular bases like Death Star no, but we should talk about yes Starkiller bases their death weapon

[01:31:50] [SPEAKER_03]: That's fine, but it blows up the Republic

[01:31:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which is a decision that I've already heard some people are a little upset about because it is done so

[01:32:00] [SPEAKER_03]: quickly quickly it's tossed up. Yeah and

[01:32:05] [SPEAKER_03]: It's Abrams making this choice of like look this movie is not about a stable time

[01:32:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm, and it's not about like the Republic and the politics of the Republic so there won't be a Republic basically

[01:32:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Fine, but you're you've got nothing in this moment. It's not a good moment

[01:32:20] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not a good moment the Starkiller base thing sucks. It shoots from like so far away

[01:32:26] [SPEAKER_03]: There's no sense of destruction really and it's like oh it shoots six beams instead of one sucks

[01:32:32] [SPEAKER_00]: There was an interview with JJ Abrams where they were like so you're doing another death star and he's like I

[01:32:36] [SPEAKER_00]: The movie totally it's totally different. Oh, no, it's the same bigger and it shoots six

[01:32:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And the movie has a joke where they're like it's just that started like no

[01:32:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Here's the death star calls up holograph here's Starkiller base much bigger

[01:32:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Cherry next to a water

[01:32:52] [SPEAKER_03]: We got it. It's bigger and then Han Solo's are like well, I don't know we blow it up

[01:32:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Here's always some way to blow it up and they're immediately like here's its weak point right here

[01:33:00] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll figure it out. I like that like when they showed the diagram

[01:33:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I've had to blow it up

[01:33:04] [SPEAKER_00]: It was like the same kind of classic wireframe like computer animation to be like oh this is just how like

[01:33:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Military strategist visualize their plans is just with like wireframe 1977

[01:33:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but they find the one spot

[01:33:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Really like pose like great

[01:33:21] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll hit that spot

[01:33:22] [SPEAKER_03]: We need the shield to go down and wait Finn's like got it

[01:33:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I can both bring down your shield just like on indoor big you know without saying it Han Solo's like cool

[01:33:28] [SPEAKER_03]: We're gonna do it. I already have a plan. Let's go. Let's go. You know get bundle everyone into their ships

[01:33:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go. Let's go. Let's go ourselves up in some warm later clothes

[01:33:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Leia is like remember Star Wars when I was watching the action from the base

[01:33:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's what we're gonna do right now. Three POs gonna be next to me griping like yeah

[01:33:42] [SPEAKER_03]: This is the stuff that I do think like

[01:33:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know what it's fun when you're watching it if you break it apart now and you're

[01:33:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Viewing it under the microscope. I just wish like the dog fighting was a little better. It's fine

[01:33:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Action isn't great. There's this sort of half-hearted trench run sequence

[01:34:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Best thing is that Admiral the act bars there act bars there Nia num is there. Yep

[01:34:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Ken long Ken lung is there you were very excited. You're like there was like I love him too

[01:34:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But you were like is that Ken lung and I was like I was like cutting shut up. I don't care

[01:34:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Ken long. He's also very recognizable. Yeah, but he was out of focus at that point

[01:34:21] [SPEAKER_00]: We we forgot a big thing our 2d2 is on the base

[01:34:25] [SPEAKER_00]: He is on standby mode

[01:34:28] [SPEAKER_00]: What are you writing?

[01:34:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking up something but go ahead our 2d2 is on standby mode and

[01:34:35] [SPEAKER_00]: They're like

[01:34:37] [SPEAKER_00]: What's this? Oh, I see three-person RTD. He's been on standby mode forever

[01:34:40] [SPEAKER_00]: We're very annoyed about this. They say it's a literal Deus Ex Machina because he's a machine

[01:34:44] [SPEAKER_00]: They're like they're not gonna wake you up

[01:34:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh because when they

[01:34:47] [SPEAKER_00]: They take the flash drive out of BB8 when they get to the base and they project the map to Luke Skywalker

[01:34:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like this is the whole map. This is a piece of a map

[01:34:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Someone else has the piece of the map and someone even says like you think our 2d2 has it and they're like probably not and also

[01:34:59] [SPEAKER_03]: He's asleep. I don't have a problem with this scene. You do everyone else seems to I don't care

[01:35:03] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like the idea is like I think I think of it is like RTD2 is playing the same function

[01:35:08] [SPEAKER_03]: He always has yeah

[01:35:09] [SPEAKER_03]: he's a step ahead of everyone else and he's waiting until the right moment to deploy his information

[01:35:17] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean? Yes, I'm fine

[01:35:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I need for the people to show up people the people Ray Finn whoever the people and then I'll wake up and lead him to Luke

[01:35:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm fine with that what I don't like is there's literally a line where C3PO says like but I don't think he has the map

[01:35:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Like if they had said like we don't know we can't wake him up

[01:35:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he has it prefer them to be like he probably doesn't have it is them just being like

[01:35:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Trying to send us on like a red herring of a red herring. You know yeah, don't like that

[01:35:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Trentron Poe Dameron and his team including Greg Grumburg

[01:35:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't even want to talk about it. No, it's a suck when they're cutting to all the different pilots

[01:35:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like oh we have an Asian woman. We have a black man. We have aliens. We did that fat guy with a beard

[01:36:03] [SPEAKER_00]: It's more it's much more diverse for sure. There's a black guy. There's an Asian guy

[01:36:07] [SPEAKER_03]: There's we know what is it much more diverse? I don't care

[01:36:09] [SPEAKER_03]: You know the base you don't care. No, I don't care the Trentron white supremacist disaster

[01:36:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Not as it's the worst part and it's a disaster that they don't give Poe Dameron a hero moment

[01:36:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it just feels like an inevitable like

[01:36:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Like black leader he's black squadron. Oh sure too long has black been associated with just like you know

[01:36:29] [SPEAKER_00]: The bad guys or whatever. Yeah, and his X wings black. It's cool. Cool

[01:36:33] [SPEAKER_00]: the stuff with

[01:36:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Finn and Chewie and Han is cool. He reveals that he was a sanitation guy that he doesn't know what he's doing

[01:36:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And then they invade the base he puts phasma in a garbage compactor they try to find Ray. Oh

[01:36:50] [SPEAKER_00]: most important thing in the entire film

[01:36:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Ray is like tied to a torture thing. Did you hear about who played the stormtrooper in this? Yes

[01:36:58] [SPEAKER_00]: He if Kylo Ren was trying to get information out of her she wouldn't give up. He had another tantrum

[01:37:05] [SPEAKER_00]: She's like why don't you take off your mask? He takes off his mask

[01:37:07] [SPEAKER_00]: You see his face and driver gives a great performance, right?

[01:37:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And he tries to tap into her brain and of course as we've already guessed

[01:37:15] [SPEAKER_03]: She sort of it's just naturally blessed with the force just for some resistance

[01:37:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then not long later uses her first force power Daniel Craig to playing a stormtrooper played by Daniel Craig

[01:37:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Uncredited yeah to free her right scene, but it's a great scene because it doesn't work

[01:37:31] [SPEAKER_00]: She goes like you're going to

[01:37:33] [SPEAKER_00]: This

[01:37:35] [SPEAKER_00]: She just stays calm and says it four times until it finally works and she's out. She's on her own trying to get through

[01:37:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Finn dismantling the shields. They're like great. Oh, but what about Ray?

[01:37:46] [SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna have to save Ray and Han Solo is like look over your fucking shoulder kid and

[01:37:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Ray's just like climbing a wall boom and they don't need to save her

[01:37:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they're like hey and she's like hey

[01:37:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And then they have this moment and other they're like what are you doing here?

[01:37:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Like we came we came back here for you

[01:38:00] [SPEAKER_00]: She's very happy you're a friend and in other movies and lesser movies

[01:38:03] [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like they would kiss at this moment because they are a boy and a girl and they're both

[01:38:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Good-looking charismatic kids and that's what they would do and said they just hug and

[01:38:14] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot in that moment

[01:38:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I think because it doesn't say that they don't want to kiss each other no, but it's also the movie saying

[01:38:19] [SPEAKER_00]: We're not gonna reduce it to that. Yeah, they can have a friendship

[01:38:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Hasn't been figured out at this moment, but she knows they figured it out within themselves

[01:38:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Finally has a family always a family, but they don't know how they feel about each other

[01:38:29] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like how it's gonna be when Daisy Ridley and I go on a date. It's gonna take a while to express those emotions

[01:38:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So they're running through they get to a bridge Kylo Ren is there on Solo's like I have to face and

[01:38:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Snoke said to him like no case said this is your greatest test essentially you got it. You know what you have to do

[01:38:49] [SPEAKER_03]: so we kind of know what's coming because

[01:38:52] [SPEAKER_03]: The way the scene is framed is so obviously like the Obi-Wan Darth Vader fight where

[01:38:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Finn and Ray are in the distance watching Chewbacca's around like planting charges. Yeah

[01:39:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And they're facing off

[01:39:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But like peacefully facing off. Yes, and Kylo Ren is really sad

[01:39:08] [SPEAKER_03]: He's bent and he's called Ben by his dad for the first time and his dad saying like forget Snoke

[01:39:13] [SPEAKER_03]: He's got his power over you and Ren's like I'm so conflicted. I'm so messed up

[01:39:17] [SPEAKER_03]: But what he's saying is like I really need to shed you yeah, and I need to shed my he's like

[01:39:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I know what I need to do. I know what I need to do can you help me right and

[01:39:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Han Solo maybe thinks he's helping him maybe not they but he killed him

[01:39:30] [SPEAKER_00]: He looks like he's handing over the lightsaber and then once it's in Holland Solo's hand

[01:39:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's still a very powerful moment and

[01:39:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Friends new and old Chewbacca and Ray all scream out

[01:39:41] [SPEAKER_00]: They're like we just got to get out of here

[01:39:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Um

[01:39:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Poor Han Solo. Yeah, he dies they may be gonna basically right it's a tough thing to kill off a very iconic character

[01:39:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And I wonder if this is one reason that people are upset

[01:39:58] [SPEAKER_03]: That people who don't like the movie are upset. I can't tell I don't know

[01:40:02] [SPEAKER_03]: The place is gonna blow they want to get like Harrison Ford's you're he's such a star that if he's in this these movies

[01:40:09] [SPEAKER_03]: You're always gonna want to see him

[01:40:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think they just know like he's got to pass the torch right it gives stakes and and it makes more sense

[01:40:15] [SPEAKER_00]: The way things are set up right now there is greater

[01:40:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Function for Leia and Luke in future movies sure

[01:40:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean they can each have their sort of moments right now

[01:40:23] [SPEAKER_00]: They're still sort of bad and they have clear roles this was Hans like Luke is the last Jedi master

[01:40:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Leia is the general of the resistance Han is once again just like a scoundrel

[01:40:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm, and he has this sort of redemptive moment here. You know

[01:40:38] [SPEAKER_00]: He dies trying to save someone else his son

[01:40:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And also of course it puts a lot onto Kylo Ren is like your bad guy right it makes him

[01:40:48] [SPEAKER_03]: This is no tantrum haver only you know, this is the guy killed Han Solo. His dad. It's a real bad guy killed his dad

[01:40:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the bigger ratricide. No, that's brother a patricide. Yeah

[01:40:58] [SPEAKER_00]: So Finn and Ray are trying to get off with Chewbacca

[01:41:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Starkiller base which is essentially like Hoth

[01:41:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And they're trying to escape and they run into Kylo Ren and chases them down

[01:41:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:41:10] [SPEAKER_03]: So then we have this final showdown in the in the woods in the wintery woods of Starkiller base, which is pretty good

[01:41:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I would say I second best

[01:41:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah again not as dynamic as lightsaber fights you've seen in the past

[01:41:22] [SPEAKER_03]: But almost supposed to be because first you have Finn who has the lightsaber barely knows what he's doing

[01:41:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Right is kind of trying to just fight off. Mm-hmm, and then you have Ray

[01:41:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Who at first I mean literally Kylo Ren says like you need training

[01:41:36] [SPEAKER_03]: But you could be great and then she kind of like, you know advances to level two

[01:41:41] [SPEAKER_03]: In the in her force powers and kind of just like you know

[01:41:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:41:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean

[01:41:45] [SPEAKER_00]: The moment where the lightsaber has been cast aside and Kylo Ren's trying to pull it back to him with the force

[01:41:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And she gets it and then she gets it first because her force is more powerful

[01:41:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I've heard people complaining about how powerful she is when she hasn't been trained

[01:41:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh who gives a shit fuck off I agree and I also think the way interpret it is no it's it's

[01:42:02] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a point the movies always at the beginning you have all the power

[01:42:05] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like in the magicians those books like you can do one big thing because it's sort of surging out of you

[01:42:10] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I also think there's that moment where he goes like how did you get out?

[01:42:14] [SPEAKER_00]: You know when Finn asks her like how she freed herself. I couldn't tell you I could it's it's you wouldn't believe me

[01:42:20] [SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy

[01:42:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that infers to me that like

[01:42:24] [SPEAKER_00]: She's had this feeling for a while and I can just see like Ray in her hollowed out AT-AT

[01:42:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Just like testing moving stuff. Maybe I think she's been fucking with the idea for I think training herself

[01:42:35] [SPEAKER_03]: She's had this feeling for a while. I disagree. I think it's disassociated. She like literally doesn't know what she's

[01:42:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I think she's had the feeling for a while, but hasn't really had an outlet to test it out

[01:42:42] [SPEAKER_03]: There's that moment where he says you're good with the force and she's like that's what this is

[01:42:46] [SPEAKER_00]: You know yeah, well, I don't think she's been like, oh, let me train at the force

[01:42:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I think she's been in her thing like I think that literally hasn't has doesn't happen in the movie

[01:42:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's a fun talking about movies. I don't think so

[01:42:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that it's like something she's locked away because I think the whole point is that she's locked it all away

[01:43:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I think she's been using it not knowing what it is in very small doses away from everyone

[01:43:07] [SPEAKER_00]: There's no argument. I mean this there's difference of opinion. It's a movie that leaves a lot for you to fill in

[01:43:14] [SPEAKER_03]: It's very Star Wars a new hopi

[01:43:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this thing where it's like Stark. I like your pace gets destroyed fine all the villains escape. Okay, you know

[01:43:22] [SPEAKER_03]: We don't know about phasma. I feel like she's gonna come back. I do too

[01:43:26] [SPEAKER_03]: But certainly Hux and Kylo Ren escape. Yeah, everyone's a little worse for wear

[01:43:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep, Kylo Ren has like a scar on his face. Yeah big scar across

[01:43:34] [SPEAKER_03]: You know Finn gets cut down, but he'll probably be okay

[01:43:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean you're not sure do others enough

[01:43:40] [SPEAKER_03]: There's this suggestion in the film which I like which is that

[01:43:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Chewbacca kind of imprints on Finn the most, you know, they kind of have a lot of scenes together and

[01:43:48] [SPEAKER_03]: That like you know Finn could maybe you know be his new co-pilot. Yes

[01:43:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Well no red would be his co-pilot

[01:43:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Right no, but no, but Ray goes off to with Chewbacca. All right, what I'm just saying because they're with her

[01:44:03] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, is he yeah?

[01:44:06] [SPEAKER_04]: They fly the ship together Chewbacca goes with Ray at the end well a hundred percent. I didn't see him

[01:44:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I just saw her she's the only one on screen. She doesn't climb up the mountain

[01:44:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Chewbacca's in the ship with her. I thought the film was because Finn's with them though

[01:44:18] [SPEAKER_00]: They're both friends of them they're all gonna be friends together

[01:44:20] [SPEAKER_03]: But she leaves Finn at the base and is like I'm sure I'll see you again

[01:44:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Even though he's unconscious right and then Chewbacca comes with her in the ship. Okay, I don't remember that

[01:44:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll meet up with Finn again Chewbacca's in the ship

[01:44:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Archie to wakes up

[01:44:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Unlocks the map they find Luke. Yeah, this is all very cute. She flies with Chewbacca and BB-8 to

[01:44:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll a Skellig Michael and Ireland. Yeah, they don't know what is called the Jedi steps

[01:44:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes in the John Williams score in the soundtrack

[01:44:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And she walks up to the top and she sees a figure from behind wearing a rope turns around Luke

[01:44:53] [SPEAKER_00]: He looks unbelievable. He looks he's got a beard. He's got long hair

[01:44:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know shoulder length and he looks at her and he does some really good face acting here

[01:45:03] [SPEAKER_03]: No talking and vase a lot this irritating helicopter shot circling around don't like that

[01:45:08] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the last shot of the movie

[01:45:09] [SPEAKER_00]: But she holds out the lightsaber and he looks at her and they stand there

[01:45:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And no one knows what's gonna happen next and that's the end of the movie

[01:45:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I would have liked a static shot of just the two of them framed at opposite sides

[01:45:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, what I'd like to static shot to end the film one star one star

[01:45:27] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you again

[01:45:29] [SPEAKER_00]: So

[01:45:30] [SPEAKER_00]: We've criticized a lot of things this way we've left a lot of things in this movie

[01:45:32] [SPEAKER_00]: We recall the great a couple times. Is it a great movie? No, is it a great Star Wars movie?

[01:45:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it might better with the return of the Jedi

[01:45:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I think so too my definition is always the thing

[01:45:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know with every prequel we would always say look look look look look we don't want

[01:45:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not gonna eclipse Star Wars. Yeah, it's not gonna eclipse the Empire strikes back

[01:45:52] [SPEAKER_03]: No, but maybe it can be part of the return of the Jedi

[01:45:55] [SPEAKER_03]: That was always the baseline quality that everyone wanted in a new Star Wars movie and the table is set perfectly for the future of this franchise

[01:46:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Like there's an exciting future ahead of us

[01:46:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Abrams has I think done his the job his corporate masters appointed which is like yeah like

[01:46:11] [SPEAKER_03]: You know give us some grounding give us a world give us some characters set the table and set that table for us

[01:46:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Ryan Johnson will take the next film. He's a terrific hire

[01:46:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I love Ryan John with a more defined voice someone who's gonna be able to impart and you know

[01:46:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And then the film will be put in the hands of a convicted war criminal Colin Trevor

[01:46:30] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of time people die every day anything that's Griffin come on

[01:46:34] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a podcast like that it's going out to the world anything could take it easy

[01:46:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Anything could happen. I'm not the biggest fan of Colin Trevor's

[01:46:42] [SPEAKER_03]: So far no didn't like either the films he made who knows do you know who is a big fan of contravera's over?

[01:46:48] [SPEAKER_03]: The Dark Lord Satan and contravera those are the only two now

[01:46:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I like I we joke around about him a lot

[01:46:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't want to be too mean spirited about him because like I do feel like I don't want to just be like a huge

[01:47:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Asshole lobbying like grenades from the inside line

[01:47:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe make a different movie was I was not a big fan of his Jurassic World

[01:47:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Which I feel like I'm only was in the same realm as this movie. Yeah, this nostalgic steep work

[01:47:12] [SPEAKER_03]: That's trying to set up a new world

[01:47:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and is constantly worried about and burdened by the past and referencing back to it

[01:47:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And I just think that Jurassic World did a terrible job of

[01:47:23] [SPEAKER_03]: That but still hit a home run in terms of like money, you know

[01:47:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully this is gonna outgrow all of I agree. I'm just saying like if people are out there complaining like oh

[01:47:31] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a nostalgic movie. Oh, it's ripping off the better movie

[01:47:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you know like well take a look at a movie like Jurassic World that tried the same tricks and failed

[01:47:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's not the easiest balancing act to pull off and JJ Abrams pulled it off of the three

[01:47:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess it's something maybe controversial of the three movies that tried to do that kind of thing though

[01:47:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I do think Creed is the best of the three

[01:47:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Love Creed. Creed is a movie that gets the best of the three. Close to my top 10 of the year

[01:47:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Jurassic World sucks Star Wars Force Awakens is a lot of fun. I can't think about other movies right now

[01:47:59] [SPEAKER_00]: It's weird. It's tough. I'm good probably see it again tonight. I'm seeing it again tomorrow

[01:48:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm seeing it again Sunday. We're talking Friday

[01:48:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I

[01:48:08] [SPEAKER_00]: This will be coming out on Monday. Thank you for listening. I hope you've all seen it

[01:48:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise I I'm sorry that you listen to this we told you not to if you haven't seen it. Yeah, well that was bad

[01:48:19] [SPEAKER_00]: That's on you that's some people like spoilers. Yeah, but the dumb you shouldn't you shouldn't have a tell you them

[01:48:24] [SPEAKER_00]: You shouldn't have us tell you the movie should go see it. Let's stop criticizing our listeners

[01:48:27] [SPEAKER_00]: We're criticizing our listeners. I'm only criticizing the Sith Lord. No, there's no sit if you listen to this

[01:48:33] [SPEAKER_03]: We're seeing the movie. I think you're so far

[01:48:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, hello tonight of wrap

[01:48:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever that means. Thank you for listening. We'll be back next week podcast holiday special

[01:48:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, next week podcast holiday special after that

[01:48:50] [SPEAKER_03]: January's gonna come and we're gonna be a different thing

[01:48:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's gonna be weird. Yeah, we still haven't really told you guys what we're doing

[01:48:58] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll do that in January

[01:48:59] [SPEAKER_03]: It's gonna be hard because you know, we've done Star Wars all here

[01:49:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's crazy. We did it all but look I mean like if you like movies and you like us talking

[01:49:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I think you'll still be happy. I think they'll still have fun

[01:49:11] [SPEAKER_03]: We just sort of came to the conclusion that we can't do Star Wars forever. Yeah

[01:49:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm very happy to not have to think about these movies. I am

[01:49:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I got in them. Yeah, I am too. It's a little suffocating. I'm happy to let them go

[01:49:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I hope that you guys can run with us as we

[01:49:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Explore new things talk about movies. We love movies. We hate movies that fascinate us

[01:49:31] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the common thread

[01:49:33] [SPEAKER_00]: They're gonna all fascinate us and and right now we're Luke and Leia swinging across the chasm

[01:49:37] [SPEAKER_00]: We need you we just need you to trust us that we're gonna take you the other side

[01:49:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think we will yeah, we're gonna do it

[01:49:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're gonna pull it off so we have at least one off coming in January and no

[01:49:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I think we're doing a whole series in January. We're doing we're doing a mini series in January

[01:49:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I will refuse to debate it. We have to debate this

[01:49:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I have an alternate pitch that I want to give to you and then we're gonna move on to a director that

[01:50:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Who were interested in going forward we might in the parameters are next two big mini series planned our director spotlights

[01:50:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, but where we will be going through one by one each of their films right and doing 10

[01:50:09] [SPEAKER_03]: We're never probably gonna do the thing we did with the prequels again where we almost ridiculously, you know

[01:50:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Over-explored we tried to find another there's nothing it nothing worked in the same way

[01:50:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But trust us I think we got some fun stuff lined up for you

[01:50:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know hey a couple years from now. We're gonna talk about a little movie called Star Wars episode 8. Yeah crazy. Yeah

[01:50:30] [SPEAKER_00]: It's called Star Wars episode 8

[01:50:32] [SPEAKER_00]: George ours back. Yeah

[01:50:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Now I was gonna say Star Wars episode 8 monsters on leash monsters unleashed from Scooby-Doo 2 is my still my favorite

[01:50:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Star Wars episode 8 out of the shadows. Yeah as the new Teenage Mutual movies called yet looks very brightly lit

[01:50:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for listening. Please keep listening

[01:50:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Comtech ships coming in the mail so just yeah keep tight. We'll be back in January and we love you

[01:50:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I will be back next week at the holiday special back next week the holiday special and then we'll be back in January

[01:50:59] [SPEAKER_00]: We do love you. Yeah so much

[01:51:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And as always may the force be with me the force be with oh, you know what let's not in here

[01:51:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get Ben back in here. Oh you want to go get him? Yeah, we get been a Christmas present while we're here

[01:51:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Will you go get Ben? But no this is the last thing we should talk up before he comes back

[01:51:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And should we get him a Christmas present sure we should get him something right you handle it

[01:51:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Like hats

[01:51:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Would you go get him? I need to pee okay. Hey guys. It's me David Sims Griffin is literally oh, hey wow

[01:51:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And we're all done then we're all done any final thoughts you want to share

[01:51:38] [SPEAKER_03]: We went long how long did we go Ben? I'm gonna guess close to two hours. Well take a look at our I

[01:51:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Think it was like 145 is my desk, but we had a lot to talk about you

[01:51:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Almost the two out nice

[01:51:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Do I have any final thoughts?

[01:51:52] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't know

[01:51:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone have a happy yeah. Have you had a nice year with us? Oh absolutely guys

[01:51:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's been great to develop this idea with you and see it grow into this great franchise known as Griffin

[01:52:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It David presents. I see so many great things down the road for us

[01:52:11] [SPEAKER_01]: No speed bumps though nothing but smooth sailing okay. We like smooth sales

[01:52:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Love those smooth sales. I think I might cut this part out. No

[01:52:22] [SPEAKER_00]: You said you weren't gonna cut anything out of this episode

[01:52:24] [SPEAKER_00]: What did you get up to while you're out?

[01:52:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was a smoke. I had a smoke. It was an employee

[01:52:32] [SPEAKER_01]: co-workers

[01:52:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Birthday so I got a free lunch. Got a hamburger fries from Sheik Shaq. Very nice wrote some emails

[01:52:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Got some fun new podcasts coming out in the next year

[01:52:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, and you know just remember to keep rating and reviewing and subscribing to our podcast

[01:52:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Also, that's right on the used to be comedy network. Yep

[01:52:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So that was really that was what I was doing for the last two hours

[01:52:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I already did a fake out ending but now that you're back in here in order been restored and you know

[01:53:03] [SPEAKER_00]: The family is back together. It's true. Yeah, do you want to take us out with an end as always been?

[01:53:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to I never even got the chance as someone who didn't hear any of the things we established in this episode. Yeah

[01:53:14] [SPEAKER_01]: and

[01:53:15] [SPEAKER_01]: as always

[01:53:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Harrison Ford is a fucking babe. I agree