The Podcastic Two

[00:00:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Hello, hello, hello, hello!

[00:00:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Is that four hello's?

[00:00:17] [SPEAKER_03]: It was indeed because this is The Podcastic Two!

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Griffin's making this disgusting smile on his face right now.

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Griffin and David present The Podcastic Two, the first and last episode of The Podcastic Two.

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe.

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Close!

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there could be another Fantastic Four movie.

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Down the line one day that we want to talk about.

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_03]: We are, of course, The Podcastic Two. I'm Griffin Newman.

[00:00:43] David Smith.

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_03]: With us as always is producer Ben Hosley, also known as producer Ben, also known as producer Ben, also known as the Ben Deucer, also known as the Haas, also known as Mr. Positive, also known as...

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, Fennel.

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, Fennel.

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, Fennel.

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, uh guys.

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_00]: A hearty hello, Fennel to us all.

[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_00]: It's spirited, hello, Fennel.

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, Fennel.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So guys, I listened to some of the commentary.

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_00]: You really just given it to the fans, you know?

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_00]: We're giving it to the fans.

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_00]: They were just asking for it and you gave it to them.

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's say this though, I mean we're now...

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Did we talk about the movie at all in the commentary?

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Mostly we spend like an hour and a half dissecting you and McGregor's career.

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I think it's good use of that commentary.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_01]: We talk about the movie a little.

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I occasionally would be like, oh this is the scene where...

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It's well worn territory at this point.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm not pointing out how bad it looked.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, when Griffin we talked about it.

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_00]: We had talked about it a lot.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like I would like catch a little moment where they would just be like,

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_00]: we are never watching this movie again.

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Ever again.

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Very happy.

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I like the part where you just mentioned the existence of Mordecai

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_03]: and I laughed for three minutes straight.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I cannot stop laughing.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Mordecai!

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_03]: That wasn't a bit.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_03]: You can attest to that.

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_03]: No, not at all.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I truly could not stop laughing.

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_01]: It was... you know, we were a little worn down

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think I may have summoned a picture of Mordecai on my phone.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Well first you just said we were reading through the credits.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Then you just said Mordecai.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I laughed for two minutes.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Then you showed me the picture and then I laughed for another minute.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Well IMDB has this sort of screen grab.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It's very embarrassing.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: He's on the hood of a car!

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_01]: That guy!

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_01]: That Mordecai!

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_01]: That Mordecai!

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And we talked about it on the commentary.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It's too easy to make fun of Mordecai, but it's really fun.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_03]: We're gonna watch it.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And we're gonna have a blast.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_03]: We're never gonna release it to you folks.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_03]: We're not gonna record it.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_03]: It's for us and not for you.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Although speaking of that, Richard Lawson really wants to watch Aloha.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we should do an episode about Aloha.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh I happily do Aloha.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Have you ever seen Aloha?

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_01]: No I have, but I want to watch it again

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_01]: because it is in my brain like encephalitis.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I would love to do it.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't seen it.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_01]: But I have.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_01]: We should do that.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I saw it with Pilot Verowitz at the Williamsburg Theatre.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_01]: She complained we were the only people in the theatre.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I saw it with Matthew Starr at the AMC 22nd Street 25.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And we smuggled beers into the theatre and drank while we were watching.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Well I think it was a good idea and it connects to one of the movies we're discussing today.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_01]: You should have had appropriate drinks with little Hawaiian umbrellas in them.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah we had tall boys when we put Hawaiian umbrellas in them.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_03]: We put a lay around each can.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I also, and this is not a thing I do often,

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I smuggled beers into the theatre to watch Josh Trank's 2015 adaptation of Fantastic Four.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Because.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh I see maybe this is why you like it.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like it, don't say that.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I complicated thoughts, we have a lot to talk about today.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I've been asking on this podcast for weeks whether Griffin has seen the Fantastic Four movie yet by Josh Trank.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Not always on a mic, sometimes before or before.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes just because I knew he cared a lot about Fantastic Four like I do.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_03]: They're my favorite characters in all of comic book history.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And I just, the movie was so bad and I really just wanted to hear what he thought about it

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and he hadn't seen it and then finally he saw it and demanded we sit down

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: and record this podcast for you about the Fantastic Four movies.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: All the Fantastic Four movies.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_01]: The movies we need to discuss.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: All four of them.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Now this podcast.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_03]: All Fantastic Four of them.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_03]: All Fantastic Four of them.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_03]: This podcast.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: We've established.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: You're giving me bends and pats for that bad pun.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_03]: This larger franchise we are running, Griffin and David Perzan.

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, yeah.

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_01]: The Griffin and David Perzan franchise.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_03]: The through line, the thematic through line is blank check projects

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_03]: when someone is giving complete creative control.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Or whatever.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't have to be, they have complete creative control

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_01]: because I mean obviously Josh Trank.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Well this is my point.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the interesting angle for the Fantastic Four movies is that

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_03]: the main authorial voice in all four of these movies is the studio

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_03]: that has the rights at that time.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Sure, that's true.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_03]: All four movies were made for craven reasons to retain rights for the characters.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Even the fourth one I guess so.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean the fourth one.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_01]: The Trank one we're talking about?

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Trank one.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they were going to lose the rights to her.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_01]: No I know but also in a vacuum like it seems like a good idea.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like nobody really liked the other one.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_01]: When is time for someone to do a good Fantastic Four?

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Something really wrong with like if Marvel had gotten the rights

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and we're like we're doing them then everyone would have been happy.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: David, I think we need to start at the beginning.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_03]: The year...

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's 91-92.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_03]: You want me to look it up for the Corman movie?

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_03]: In the 1960s, Roger Corman noted B-movie Maestro,

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_03]: producer, director extraordinaire.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_03]: A thrifty sort makes films on the cheap, you know would get a location like a castle.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_03]: 94, wow so they nailed it with the release year.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I think all Fantastic Four movies should come out in years that end in four.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_03]: That's my belief and only one of them has.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Although it didn't come out.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_03]: But he's a thrift maestro, right?

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah sure, he makes cheap like shock movies and horror movies and action movies.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_01]: You know sometimes they got some broads in them and you know...

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: The good ones.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah exactly.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And he worked on, you know, he helped careers of Martin Scorsese,

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Jonathan Demi, Ron Howard, got them their starts in like how to make a movie fast and cheap.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And Coppola, notoriously Coppola I think was a screenwriter on one of his movies.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_03]: They were filming in a castle and he went we have the castle for another week.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_03]: If you can write a script in the next 24 hours that films entirely in this castle

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_03]: we have like $3,000 left over on this movie.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_03]: You can make a movie in a week in a castle.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And that was like Coppola's first movie I think, dementia 13?

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I believe.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Get back to the point.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_03]: In the 1960s he buys the rights.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: No I don't think so.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm correcting you here.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that's what you were about to say.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Correct me.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Go on, go on, go on.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Corman doesn't come until later.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_01]: You think Corman bought the rights in the 60s?

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he buys the rights in the 60s or 70s.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_01]: No I don't think so.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Well according to Wikipedia.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Byrne Eichinger who's the guy who produced all these movies.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_01]: He met with Stanley asking for the movie,

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: he writes to Fantastic Four.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_01]: He got them three years later for $250,000.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_01]: What year is this?

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_01]: That would be in 1986.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is not a lot of money.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Not a lot of money.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_01]: $250,000.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think Marvel is probably at a bit of a financial low maybe in the mid-day.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: The comics are doing okay but it's...

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_03]: But also you have to understand...

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: There's no superhero movies yet.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_03]: At this point making a movie about a superhero?

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_01]: There's Superman, that's about it.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Go fuck yourself, they would say to that idea.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_03]: They would.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_03]: They made Superman but at that point by 1986 Superman's on his last legs.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_03]: We're at Quest for Peace era where Superman's like a big singing pile of poo poo.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And Batman hasn't come onto the scene yet.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Batman changes the game.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_03]: That's in 89?

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_03]: 89, that's three years later.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And at this point in time they're developing Batman and Warner Brothers

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_03]: but they're going, oh it should be a comedy right?

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Batman like Adam West, that thing's silly.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_03]: They want to do Batman with like Bill Murray.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the plan right?

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And so the idea of doing like a comic book movie,

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_03]: A, prohibitively expensive you can't realize the effects.

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_03]: B, they're for kids who wants to watch kids movies.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Technology is not totally there yet.

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic for you know you got a stretchy guy that's hard to do.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_03]: So he buys the rights, it's a lot for this guy

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_03]: but not a lot in the grand scheme of things.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_01]: No and anyway he has the rights for a while.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Budget concerns preclude any production.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And with the rights they're going to expire at the end of 92,

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_01]: he goes to Corman and makes a low budget Fantastic Four

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_01]: saying they didn't say I had to make a big movie.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_01]: It was made for $1 million.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm eating a bagel.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_03]: So the thing here is,

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_03]: he was at the end of his window for the rights.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah he had to make it.

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_03]: He had to make some.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_03]: They made it in about 20 days.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_01]: He goes to Corman.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Corman knows how to make movies for a little million bucks.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Tight schedule.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_03]: They use all like Canadian actors, like soap opera actors.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_03]: No known stars, no.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And they make a movie, all these actors,

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I've read a lot of interviews with them.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so sad.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_03]: They all thought they were like,

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm in a Fantastic Four movie.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Right because at the point this movie is being made,

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Batman has come out.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And they must have thought like look it's a cheap movie

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_01]: but hey like maybe it'll hit you know.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_03]: It's gonna hit, yeah.

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And they had a trailer that they attached

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_03]: to certain home video releases of like kids films.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_03]: They were like starting to do promotional stuff.

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_03]: But alas, he never intended to make this film.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Ole Sassoon is the director.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Son of Vidal Sassoon.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Noted hairstylist.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Son of Siegfried Sassoon.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Noted World War I poet.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that true?

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure.

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Carry on.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_03]: The plan was if I make a film before this window expires

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I retain the rights for another 10 years.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Something like that.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It keeps the rights.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I can sell the rights to someone else

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_03]: in order for anyone else to make a movie

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_03]: which now there's a possibility.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Now it's the early 90s.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_03]: There have been two Batman films.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a wave of other noirish sort of

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Pulp Hero films that come after it.

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Less the big DC Marvel characters

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_03]: but you have The Shadow, you have The Phantom,

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_03]: you have Dick Tracy, you have The Rocketeer.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_03]: None of those big hits but all.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_03]: You know.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Only the first two Batman movies work

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_03]: and the second one's a bigger disappointment.

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Although a misunderstood masterpiece, Batman Returns.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_03]: We can talk about that someday.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Talk about that later.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_03]: 15 years from now.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Now people see some potential money in the Fantastic Four

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and at this point Marvel is selling off

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_03]: all their characters to actual interested parties.

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_03]: James Cameron comes very close to doing

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_03]: both an X-Men movie and a Spider-Man movie.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I know.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Before he ultimately does Titanic instead.

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_01]: His Spider-Man movie.

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_01]: That would have been something.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Would have been rad.

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully.

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Had a lot of sex in it.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Have you read the trailer?

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I have and it's weird.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of Doc Ock fucking people.

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And like, I don't know, the thing,

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: he's really hot on the thing where he can make

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_01]: the webs out of his body.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Organic web shooters.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah which is, I don't know.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm pro organic web shooters.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm very anti.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Well let's keep on fighting.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_03]: But at this point yeah all the Marvel properties

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_03]: are being sold off to different studios,

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_03]: different directors.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And so Fantastic Four has some value

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_03]: and this Schlachmeister goes to Cormac,

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_03]: goes let's make it quick.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_03]: We're never gonna release it.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_03]: It's an Ashken copy.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Ashken copy.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And I will retain the rights

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_03]: and I will be able to get a lot of money

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_03]: from an interested party who will buy

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_03]: the film from me just to never release it

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_03]: and then they will retain quote unquote

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_03]: remake rights of the film.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_03]: To then make their own version.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's what he does.

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And Fox buys the film.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_03]: It is never released.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_03]: For years it was available on like bootlegs

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_03]: if you go to comic conventions.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_03]: You can watch it on YouTube now.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Well now in the internet.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no, no.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_03]: But I had to go and buy a DVD.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_03]: You did?

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah when I was 14 years old I had to go

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_03]: buy a DVD.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So Fantastic Four are my favorites.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay I want a sidebar here for a second.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Go ahead.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_03]: In going through all my childhood belongings

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_03]: because my father was selling this place

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_03]: because he didn't manage to finance this course.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_03]: In addition to finding certain

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_03]: questionable history papers

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_03]: the biggest discovery I made

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_03]: is how like every single notebook

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_03]: because I kept fucking everything

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_03]: my entire life.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Every single notebook I had from like

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_03]: seventh grade to twelfth grade

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_03]: is just littered with

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Fantastic Four titles.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Notes, concepts.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I as like a 13 year old was obsessed

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_03]: with the idea that I would someday

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_03]: make a Fantastic Four movie.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Make one.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Not be in one.

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_03]: No make one.

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Make one.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going to make a Fantastic Four

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_03]: movie.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And I would just draw character designs

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_03]: and come up with scene breakdowns.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I like had like scraps of drafts

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_03]: of scripts I wrote

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_03]: and fucking storyboards.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course extensive merchandise

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_03]: plans.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_03]: That was, you know, let's put the

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_03]: cart before the horse.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And my college essay,

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_03]: my college admissions essay I wrote

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_03]: was about how much I love Fantastic Four.

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember that.

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_03]: All of this right?

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_03]: These characters mean a tremendous,

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_03]: tremendous amount to me.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember why I got onto this.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't either.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so I go find the bootleg when I'm 14

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_03]: because this means a lot to me.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_03]: It's bad.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a bad movie.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Bad movie.

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_03]: It was clearly made in 22 days.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It feels like.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a point where you can almost

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_03]: hear the characters going like,

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_03]: oh we gotta finish this up.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Where you can see a guy

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_03]: at the corner of the frame

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_03]: pointing at his watch and just

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_03]: going like we gotta finish this up.

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It has really

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_01]: bad special effects.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And it has to have a lot of them.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It basically seems to be shot

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: at like a laser tag arena.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like dark

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_01]: and there's like a lot of smoke

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_01]: to sort of mask any

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_01]: seams that might be noticed.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Although the seams are very noticeable.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean the suits look

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_03]: sub-cosplay.

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, although you know

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_01]: you gotta put them.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_01]: They actually wear the suits.

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_01]: The kind of classic Fantastic Four suit

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_01]: with a big four in the middle.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I agree with that.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_03]: They got the classic blue and white.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_01]: The thing is...

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a sub-part animatronic

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_03]: like teenage mutant into turtles,

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_03]: style...

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Like rubber, foam suit thing.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_03]: With a mechanical face

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_03]: that's not super expressive.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_03]: His mouth can move up

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_03]: and down his brow

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_03]: can be more or less furrowed.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But...

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But it exists.

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And it fucking looks like the thing.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't move super well.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_03]: It looks like the thing, design-wise.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess so.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_03]: It looks like the thing.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_03]: The thing is it.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Go on.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Human torch, whenever he flames on,

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_03]: looks like an MS paint-tron.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he looks like Clip Art.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_03]: He looks like Clip Art.

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought you were gonna say

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_03]: they just lit a dude on fire.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_03]: They just lit a dude.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_03]: That would be better.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_03]: That would be better.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_01]: If he always got stuntman,

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_01]: that old stuntman thing

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: of the guy running

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and he's on fire,

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_01]: that would be better.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_03]: What was it?

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_03]: That fucking Primus video?

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_03]: What was that video that...

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_03]: The Spike Jonestit, whatever.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not Primus

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_03]: and someone's gonna chew me out.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Whatever.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm referencing.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm referencing.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Anytime the human torch flames on,

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_03]: it's entirely cartooned.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_03]: They just cartoon

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_03]: like Clip Art of a building skyline

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_03]: and then just a little orange,

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_03]: like Cheeto flying by.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_03]: It looks terrible.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like Subtron kind of like.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_03]: But not stylizing a film

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_03]: where that's not the aesthetic.

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_03]: There is no style.

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_03]: But Dr. Doom, let it be said,

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_03]: kinda looks great.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he looks okay.

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Looks like Dr. Doom.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Is the classic costume.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, he looks more like

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Doom than the other movies.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_03]: It's true.

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_03]: The plot doesn't really make sense.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean it's just basic.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: They go to space, they get the powers

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and then they have to fight Dr. Doom.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's not really...

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Dr. Doom's ostensibly the villain in the movie

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_03]: although like the whole second act

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_03]: is them fighting some guy named the Jeweler.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I forgot about the Jeweler.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_03]: It's been a long time since I saw him.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_03]: He's not from the comic books.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_03]: He sort of feels like

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe he's inspired by an old man

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_03]: but he's a guy who loves jewels

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_03]: and he quotes Shakespeare a lot.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_03]: He says like,

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_03]: oh what divine creatures we mortals be.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Like he says like weird butchered

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Shakespeare quotes all the time.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And they just fight the Jeweler.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like a real petty...

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_01]: They fight Dr. Doom at the end right?

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_03]: At the end.

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm saying the whole second act.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_01]: They knock him off a cliff or something.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no the third act,

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_03]: the final villain is Dr. Doom

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_03]: but the Jeweler is like a tertiary boss.

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure, sure.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is interesting,

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_03]: the other movies don't have that.

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And the other thing I think is interesting...

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is the classic superhero movie structure.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you fight like there's like a sort of sub-villain

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and then you get to the big guy.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_03]: The other interesting thing

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_03]: we were talking about right before we started recording

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_03]: about some of the things that make the Fantastic Four

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_03]: different than other comic book characters,

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_03]: especially Marvel.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Another sidebar, some important history here.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Fantastic Four,

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_03]: the first superhero family of the Marvel Universe.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Timely Comics has created the 1940s.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Captain America has created

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_03]: as a superhero to combat Naziism.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to do the whole Marvel comics.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not in a very abbreviated form.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, go on, go on.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_03]: But that time otherwise it was all mystery comics,

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_03]: romance comics.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Superhero comics don't really take off.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Or they, I mean they had in the 30s.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: They kind of die off after the war.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But they have a couple characters in the 40s.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Captain America is one of them.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a character in the human torch

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_01]: who is not a human, he's an android.

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And he catches on fire, right?

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And Namor.

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Those are the characters they have.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Those are the three, right?

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_03]: That's...

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Superhero.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Bucky.

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Like 20 years later, a renamed Marvel Comics

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_03]: hires a scrappy young dude named like Stanley Hirschkowitz.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, I'm going to be a novelist.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to put my real name on this.

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll call myself Stan Lee.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And they go, we need superheroes.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_03]: DC had been taken off.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And then they create the Justice League.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_03]: They put all three characters in one title.

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_03]: The title sells Through the Roof.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Right?

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_03]: So they go to him, we need a team.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_03]: What a team?

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_03]: What am I going to do with the team?

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we got this human torch thing.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_03]: He goes, that character's dumb.

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_03]: The robot's dumb.

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_03]: But I like the idea of a guy who catches on fire.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And he creates this team.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Fantastic Four, I think are different

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_03]: than any other major team in superhero comics.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Keep on fucking silencing this.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_03]: My sister started high school today.

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And she mass-texted my family, a picture of her schedule.

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And now everyone's commenting on which teacher she did or didn't get.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's a fucking texture that will not stop.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, all right, we're already on way too long a sidetrack here.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Justice League is a super group.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Avengers is a super group.

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_03]: X-Men has thousands of members.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_01]: X-Men, those don't exist yet.

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just Fantastic Four.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And what is revolutionary?

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you're trying to say, they are a family.

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_01]: They squabble.

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_03]: They have dynamics.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_03]: But their team is very solidly that team.

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_03]: The roster doesn't change.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_03]: At points in time, ghost riders on there, whatever.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's fucking bullshit.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_03]: You know it's a placeholder.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Black Panther was a she-hold.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Fantastic Four at its core is these four people.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_03]: When someone else is in there, you're like, well, the point is making us miss the one who's now not here.

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's four quadrants in a family.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the father, the sort of stern, reproachful father, the warm, nurturing protective mother,

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and then the two scrappy brothers, the hothead and the lung.

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how you want it.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_01]: There's so many ways to do that.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Penguin can kind of be the uncle too once they have their kids.

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's capitalizing on the space race.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, all this stuff.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_03]: The obsession with the cosmic.

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You read the first issue.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It's literally just like the movies elaborate on it.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: They just go to space.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_03]: They were trying to get to space.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_03]: At that point in time, people just wanted to get to space.

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Getting to space makes them crazy.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_01]: No one knew what was going to happen if you put a person in space.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_03]: They go to space, they come back, they each get a power that somewhat mimics one of the four elements.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Really?

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Earth, Ben Grimm is...

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Fire, human torch.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just water.

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Fantastic moves like water.

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's sort of fluid.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Stretchy water.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Stretchy water, man.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Give her a drink of glasses of stretchy water.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Stretchy water, man.

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But they are four people who have to be a team.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_03]: They don't choose to be a team.

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_03]: They're not recruited.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not why we're all the most powerful people.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_03]: They love each other.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_03]: They hate each other in equal measure.

[00:20:24] Yeah.

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_03]: They bicker, like I said.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_03]: But they got a team up.

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And the word Fantastic, I think, is key.

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a very, very sincere, genuine word.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_03]: There's something...

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Not just illusion, yeah, alliteration.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, but I also think there's a spirit of adventure to the Fantastic Four and limitless possibilities.

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Exploration.

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, going through different dimensions.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_03]: There are different dimensions.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_03]: See incredible things.

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_01]: They see all these great things.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Jack Kirby.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_01]: We can talk about the comics all day, but we're not here to talk about the comic books.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_03]: My point is that I think this Roger Corman movie in its happy, forced, bastardized way,

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_03]: captures some of that spirit.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_03]: That's fair.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It is.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Because just...

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Or in comparison to the other movie.

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so corny because it is underwritten because the actors are functional at best.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't really want to be mean to them because, you know...

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_03]: But there is a sort of moon-eyed childhood optimism to the whole film that sort of captures

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_03]: some by accident or by purpose.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Sense of the film.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_03]: You do see the four characters standing there in the suits that look like their suits.

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_03]: They look like they cost $10, but they look like their suits.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_03]: They're just standing there.

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_01]: It looks okay.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And Dr. Doom is in this film.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And he has a green cloak and a suit of armor.

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like a dictator.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_03]: He like is because all the other films are afraid to make him what he is.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Dr. Doom was ostensibly the second smartest man in the world.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_03]: He would be the smartest man in the world if Reed Richards hadn't lived.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And his rivalry, his jealousy over that drives him insane.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And other things drive him insane.

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_03]: He's the bastard son of a leader of a country and a gypsy witch.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And he takes the throne and uses his country to sort of combat the fantastic force.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_03]: He's also a sorcerer.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Take over the world.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_03]: He's got sorcery.

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's also a sorcerer.

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_03]: He's got sorcery powers on his side.

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's an Eastern European dictator.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's a master scientist.

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_03]: My favorite thing about Dr. Doom, what I think makes him an interesting character is that

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_03]: sometimes you get the sense, oh, he's a good leader to his people.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_03]: No, totally.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_03]: We in America, he's here.

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_01]: His people live in these like, thatched, you know, huts and castles and things like that.

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_01]: He lives in like the 16th century, but they all seem to like him.

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Victor von Doom.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_01]: His name is Victor von Doom.

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_01]: The best thing that he's Dr. Victor von Doom.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_01]: The reason we're talking about this, I think, is like this is what the movies

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_01]: have always stumbled on.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_01]: This, right out of the gate.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_01]: They have trouble with this.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a silly property.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It's silly.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_03]: There are a lot of silly things.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of these films, they get scared.

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And they get sheepish and they go, oh, what if we call him Victor von Doom?

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_03]: What if he isn't really in charge of a country, but he goes to the country on vacation

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_03]: sometimes?

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Like they write around these things.

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I said yeah, yeah.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think the way to make a Fantastic Four movie is to go head on into them.

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Head first.

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, much in the way that Batman owns, Tim Burton's Batman owns it by being

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_03]: gothic, highly stylized.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, in a dark and gritty kind of different way, but so high in the

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_03]: cartoon-y.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Batman's different.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm saying Fantastic Four needs to own the world.

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I think you can do Batman a lot of ways.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you can do Fantastic Four a lot of ways.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, you know.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think the common thread with the movies that don't work is that

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_03]: they're afraid of the property.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It's one of the many problems that those movies have.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to me the best example is Thor to Dark World.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_01]: The movie that nobody likes except for me.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_01]: We love it.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But like that movie, like it's like, yeah, in the beginning there were Dark Elves.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And then like it will literally-

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the opening line.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the opening line.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_01]: In the beginning there were Dark Elves.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It cuts, it'll cut to like some forest and like, Svarvel time will like come on

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_01]: screen as if anyone is supposed to know what that is in reference to.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And it doesn't matter.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just like, come on, you like it.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Just own it.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Just own it.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So for the final battle in Thor to the Dark World where they're fighting

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_03]: through different dimensions.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I love that.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Feels like how a Fantastic Four movie should end.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_03]: With a silly cosmic insane height and like, I don't even understand what's happening.

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Totally true.

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, let's talk about the Trank Movie.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_01]: You want to do this in order?

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going chronologically.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the Trank Movie is what everyone cares-

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's do it in order.

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna talk more about the Trank Movies than the other movies.

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think we have to go in order.

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, I did just watch the Tim Storing movie.

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, 20th Century Fox acquires the rights of Fantastic Four from this

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_01]: guy who is also a producer of that movie.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_03]: For about 10 years, different drafts come through, different writers,

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_03]: some great ones, some terrible ones.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Marvel movies start to hit.

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You got X-Men in 2000, you got Spider-Man in 2001.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_01]: These movies start to work.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_01]: The pressure's on.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_01]: X-Men 2 comes out in 2004.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Chris Columbus was gonna do it for a while, goes off and does Harry Potter.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Sure.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Fox has Peyton Reed who had directed, bring it on, which is a surprise hit,

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_03]: goes to Fox for his next movie, makes Down with Love,

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_03]: which we talked about in our commentary.

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Love that movie.

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_03]: They love that movie.

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_03]: They think it's gonna be a big hit.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that true?

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And he goes...

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_03]: He goes, what if I did a Fantastic Four movie?

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a huge comic book fan that was set in the 60s,

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_03]: that owned the optimism of the characters,

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_03]: the fantastical elements of them and was focused on the characters

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_03]: and their dynamics set in this fantastic backdrop.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_03]: You don't worry about making it relatable in a realistic way.

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_03]: You worry about making the characters relatable

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_03]: because they are recognizable and human

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_03]: and then setting them in a fantastic backdrop.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And the other thing he wanted to really focus on,

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_03]: which makes Fantastic Four unique, that is no longer unique

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_03]: because the Marvel Cinematic Universe has not picked up this thread,

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_03]: is in the Marvel Comic books, all the superheroes have secret identities.

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And the Fantastic Four do not.

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_03]: They are celebrities.

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_03]: From minute one.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And everyone loves them.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Pretty much.

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_03]: They go and they explore and they save people.

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_01]: They're building in the middle of Manhattan.

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It has a big four on it.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And when a big monster comes out of the sidewalk on Fifth Avenue,

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_03]: people are scared but they also go,

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_03]: oh man this means a Fantastic Four we're going to show up.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And people are cheering.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_03]: He wanted to own all that.

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_03]: He said he kind of wanted to do Hard Day's Night

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_03]: as a superhero movie.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_03]: He said it in the 60s.

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_03]: He said it in the 60s.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_03]: A period movie.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Much like Down With Love.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Said it with that sort of look, that aesthetic.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I think some of his casting choices,

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he wanted Clooney to play Mr. Fantastic.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Did Clooney have done it?

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean that's an obvious choice.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I think Charlie Starran he wanted to play Invisible On.

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I think John C. Riley he wanted to play The Thing.

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_03]: That sounds great.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_03]: What did he want for the human torch?

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I think Paul Walker.

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Who would have been right in the spot at that point?

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Right in the spot.

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_03]: He would have been right in the spot.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_03]: David he was in the spot.

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I hate that.

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I hate that guy's thing.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_01]: He's not charismatic enough.

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Watch Pleasantville.

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I like him in Pleasantville.

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen Pleasantville a million times.

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_03]: We're not going to talk about Paul Walker.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_03]: It's too emotional, sure.

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Down With Love bombs really hard.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, real hard.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Fox kicks him off the project.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_03]: They want to get this movie out.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Well I think also, and also I think the rights issue is pressing against them again.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_01]: They need to make it.

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And there's an additional thing.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_03]: At this point Marvel has rights to none of their characters cinematically.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_03]: They are not making their own movies yet.

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Marvel's bottom line comes from increased comic book sales and merchandise sales connected to the movies that are out each year.

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_03]: They want two movies each year.

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_03]: After Spider-Man 2002, it's like 2003 Daredevil and Hulk.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_03]: 2004 I think was Spider-Man 2 and...

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_03]: X-Men 2.

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_03]: No X-Men 2 was...

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh it was 2003.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Whatever.

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't matter.

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_03]: They won a couple films a year so they can keep the properties alive.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, right, right.

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_03]: 2005 I think was supposed to be X-Men 3 and it gets pushed back.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Because Bryan Singer leaves.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_03]: They don't have a film that year.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I get you.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_03]: They want something.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Avi Arata, that point head of Marvel goes, you gotta make Fantastic Four.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So they make Fantastic Four.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_03]: They pick Tim Story who had made Barbershop which I love.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Good movie.

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And then made a film called Taxi.

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Had he made Taxi?

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was about to ask.

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_03]: That's before?

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Queen Latifah, Jimmy Fallon,

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Buddy Cop comedy,

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_03]: remake of a French film.

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Remake of a French movie.

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like France's Rush Hour.

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_03]: There are four Taxi films.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_03]: They launched the Career of Academy Award winner Mary-Anne Coutillard.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Beloved franchise.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh you mean the French movies?

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_03]: We're not talking about the French Taxi movies.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just kidding.

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Come on man, let's keep it going.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_03]: We gotta keep it going.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_03]: They make Taxi.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Taxi test screens through the roof.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_03]: They go this movie is gonna be a huge fucking hit.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it got like 100% approval ratings.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Tom Lennon on some podcast talked about this because Tom Lennon,

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Robert Bangerant, wrote Taxi.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_01]: They wrote, yeah right.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_03]: They did a test screening and they went-

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Can we talk about how they are the worst screenwriters?

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_01]: The worst screenwriters.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I think Tom Lennon's a really funny comedian but

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_01]: It's so annoying that he's like, listen to me.

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_01]: But he is successful.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Wildly successful.

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But they're terrible.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_03]: They write these terrible movies.

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And they were always sort of saying publicly like,

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_03]: well these are the movies we do for money.

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_03]: These are the family films.

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_03]: But we have our passion projects.

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Wait until you see our passion projects.

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_03]: They're passion projects.

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_03]: The ones they did for them turned out to be

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's Go to Jail, Let's Go to Prison,

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_03]: what was it called?

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_03]: The Bob Odin Kirk movie.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Let's Go to Prison.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is terrible.

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I've never seen it.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_03]: It sounded weird.

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Balls of Fury.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Ping Pong Comedy with Dan Folger and

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Terrible.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_03]: All their passion projects were terrible.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_03]: No Reno 911 movie is good.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It's solid.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's solid.

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Because Reno 911 is a good fucking world.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's his thing.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I never saw Hell Baby.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Did you see that?

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I heard it.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It sucked.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, me too.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm just looking at his though.

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_03]: By the way, we're having them both on its guest next week on our show.

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's crazy.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_01]: He wrote The Pacifier.

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right.

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_01]: They wrote Herbie fully loaded.

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_01]: They wrote Taxi.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Herbie's okay.

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, but then the old-

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Pacifier is abysmal when I say that as the biggest

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Vinny D fan in the world.

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a bad one.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the worst ones.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so they've made Taxi.

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Taxi's testing great, so let's get Tim's story lined up.

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_03]: They commissioned Lenin and Garant to write

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_03]: like three more Taxi movies.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_03]: They go, this is our franchise.

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And they go, we got a hand, our hottest property,

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_03]: our hottest director, Tim's story.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's give him Fantastic Four.

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, Tim, the one thing is you have to start filming in eight weeks.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that true?

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_03]: They like hire him and it's like super fast.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_03]: They have a draft at the screenplay,

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_03]: but they're not happy with it,

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_03]: so they rewrite it very quickly.

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Who wrote the screenplay?

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Simon Kimberg is one of three...

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Mark Frost wrote the screenplay, which is crazy.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he wrote the original version that they rewrote.

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Michael France had a draft.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_01]: He wrote like GoldenEye.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I think Kimberg tried to tie it together.

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Kimberg's not credited.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he's uncredited?

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_03]: He had...

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I heard an interview with him where he talked about having

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_03]: like six weeks to make it...

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_03]: They also want to make it smaller and cheaper.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that movie is one set piece basically.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It's one set piece.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't really...

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a really weird movie.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It's really bad.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It's really terrible.

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It does seem really rushed.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It's full of product placement.

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It's an insane product placement.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the human torch gets banged against a big whopper

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_01]: probably poster.

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_03]: That says new flaming hot whopper.

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_01]: New flame grilled and he like lights it and it like

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_01]: smokes.

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_03]: It's crazy.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's a lot of extreme sports.

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the human torch has like a snowboard with him

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_03]: at all times even though they're in New York City.

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And then there's the BMX sequence too where he

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_03]: reveals the gum...

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_03]: It comes up with the nicknames for the members

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_03]: of Fantastic Four in a post race interview at a BMX...

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_03]: There's good like FBX games, yeah.

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_03]: It feels like some Fox executive was like,

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey my kid can't stop talking about these X games.

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Can we put three X game sequences in this movie?

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Like everything in the movie feels like some

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_03]: executive thought.

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Heard a kid.

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, well this 14 year old I fuck told me

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_03]: that this is cool.

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone in Hollywood's a degenerate.

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_01]: You've got Welsh character actor,

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Goan Griffith.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_01]: A terrible casting choice.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_01]: As Mr. Fantastic.

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean he's basically just playing like a

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_01]: stodgy person.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_03]: A non-anity of a character.

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_03]: He never comes across as truly smart.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And he never comes across as a fucking idiot.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Because he's like, always being stomped on by everyone else.

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And supposedly Sue Storm is like his old

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_01]: flame and he doesn't seem to get that she

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_01]: likes him or white care how he feels about her.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_03]: In the comics and the movies laying this really hard

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_03]: there's sometimes the sense of like,

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Doom was with Sue before Reed.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_03]: They keep swapping.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot of their rivalry comes.

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_01]: We have to talk about Jessica Alba as Sue Storm.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_01]: She's in white face basically.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_01]: She's wearing a blonde wig and blue contact.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_03]: She's a Latina woman.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And they try their hardest to make her look

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_03]: as Caucasian as possible.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is insane.

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_03]: She looks like an alien.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she looks like an alien.

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_03]: She looks like white chicks.

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_03]: She looks like...

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_01]: She looks like white chicks.

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_03]: She looks like Marlon Waynes and white chicks.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's this like somewhat creepy sequence

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_01]: where she has to undress in public.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_01]: There are three sequences where that happens, David.

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It's crazy.

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_03]: There are three...

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_03]: There's one sequence where she's out on the street

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_03]: and she gets mobbed by fans because they want to hit home

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_03]: this idea that they're public celebrities.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And she's so uncomfortable by the fact

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_03]: that she's being mobbed and recognized by everyone.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Because it's like she sees a newsstand

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_03]: and the tabloid covers her like,

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Invisible Woman, what's she wearing?

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Like whatever it is.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And then they're like, that's her.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And she goes, ah, she disappears

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_03]: but her clothes are still there.

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And they go, she's right there.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_03]: So then she just takes off her bra.

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_03]: There's like a CGI floating bra.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_03]: She takes off and runs naked.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_03]: It happens again on the bridge sequence.

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It happens in the bridge, yeah.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_03]: The bridge sequence is...

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Where she rematerializes in her underwear

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_01]: because she can't control her...

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Control her powers.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Then everyone looks at her and she goes,

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_03]: ah, it does like the cheesecake pose

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_03]: where she's covering herself up.

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_03]: She's also supposed to play a scientist in the movie.

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess so.

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Is not convincing.

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean there's no mention of science

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_01]: in this movie though.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like Victor Von Doom like runs

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_01]: like some sort of science corporation

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_01]: or you know NASA.

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_01]: The military.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_01]: There's no application of their science.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Michael Chickliss, who is far and away

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_03]: the shortest actor in the cast plays the thing.

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_03]: He's the best one of them.

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I disagree.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Who do you think's better?

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I think Chris Evans is good.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Evans is okay.

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_03]: His character is impossible.

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was poorly written.

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think he actually...

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Please, okay.

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_03]: You see how he could have played a good human torch.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe.

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Chickliss is wearing a suit made of silly putty.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_03]: He's wearing like a rubber suit.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's alright.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_03]: He's supposed to be made of rocks

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_03]: and when he bends his arm there are creases in the rocks.

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I know, and there's a moment at which

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_01]: a bird poops on him

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and he like rubs it off

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's literally like he's made of fabric.

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I still think he's the best though.

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_03]: The movie costs tens of millions of dollars.

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah!

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's what the suit looks like

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_03]: because they didn't have fucking time

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_03]: to develop anything.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, right.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It didn't cost a lot though, right?

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't it cost like 75 million dollars?

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_01]: They said it cost 100,

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_01]: it definitely cost like 75.

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_03]: They definitely said it cost more

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_03]: because they wanted to make it look like a serious movie.

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it didn't cost a lot, yeah.

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_03]: They do test screenings.

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_03]: The movie's a disaster.

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_03]: In between...

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we should mention Julian McMahon

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_03]: of Nip Tuck plays Victor Rondin.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Who is now like a Trump-like businessman.

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_03]: He's so bad!

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a Trump-like businessman

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_03]: who is on the expedition with them.

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And he gets lightning powers.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he gets lightning powers and like metal skin.

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, because a key detail to like Dr. Doon was that

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_03]: he was not part of the expedition.

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Part of what drove him is that he felt left out.

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but also that he's terribly vain

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's why he wears this mask.

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_03]: The superpowers he gets,

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_03]: which are...

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_03]: his powers of sorcery,

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_03]: are things he learns.

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_03]: He's not hit by an accident,

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_03]: he has to get hit by a cosmic wave.

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they do it in the tranquilizer.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_03]: All of them fucking do this thing

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_03]: where he's part of the expedition

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_03]: and then he gets weird metal powers.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_03]: He starts turning into metal.

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And I love the fact that it's like,

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_03]: the idea was he got a very small scar on his face.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, in the comics, right.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_03]: He was so vain, he said,

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_03]: give me a mask and to cover it up.

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, he put some big fat...

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_03]: He grabbed the mask before it was finished,

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_03]: he fucking burned his whole face.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And he wears the suit of armor to go along with it.

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_03]: It's his ancient like familial coat of arms.

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And he wears that

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_03]: and now he's this terrifying man

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_03]: who owns the fact that he's like a dude

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_03]: in a suit of armor.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And they all make it like he's slowly turning into tin.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean,

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_01]: the first where it's like he's in the story.

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Skin's peeling off.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Skin's peeling off, he's got metal showing.

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_01]: He's unhappy about that.

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: He hates it.

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But he also likes it.

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_01]: He likes the power.

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Because he's like power, yeah, exactly.

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But the power like you say is just he shoots lightning.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He shoots lightning.

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's this climax

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_01]: where they beat him together.

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_03]: On one block.

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_03]: They just hang out on one street corner.

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they have one street corner to shoot on.

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_01]: He shoots some people they're like, nope.

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they like wrap him up.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_01]: They force field him.

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_01]: They metal him.

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean they like punch him.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_01]: They set him on fire, whatever.

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_01]: They sort of freeze him basically.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And then you think like, oh,

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_01]: this is like in every superhero movie where it looks like he's defeated,

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_01]: but he's gonna come back and do like more things

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and be even more, and then, no, that's the end.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like great, we did it at the end.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And the end like five everyone.

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_03]: The end tag is, they put him in a box.

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_03]: His frozen body and the label in the box says La Veria.

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, oh, he's getting shipped off to the country

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_03]: that we know he rules.

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Dumb.

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Fucking dumb.

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_03]: There's exactly one moment in the film I like.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_03]: What is it?

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not even perfect.

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Swallow that bagel.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Got swallow this motherfucking bagel.

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_03]: There's one moment that I think gets at the spirit of the thing

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_03]: that is almost a good well observed character moment.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Victor Von Doom, now wearing a mask because he feels like it,

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_03]: even though his face is turning to metal,

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_03]: gets a grenade launcher.

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Like a rocket powered grenade launcher

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_03]: and goes to the top of his building

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_03]: and just starts shooting it off the top of the building.

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_03]: He's shooting it towards their building

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_03]: because he wants to kill.

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_03]: This is all totally unjustified.

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It makes no sense.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_03]: It goes from zero to a thousand.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And then there's this human torch.

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that the scene you like?

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so he sees the missile coming towards him

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_03]: and they look at it.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Flames on.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And he runs towards it.

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just this line?

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_03]: You like that line?

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I think in a better movie,

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_03]: this would be a decent character beat.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Sue says Johnny don't even think about it.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And he says I never do.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And he jumps off and flame on.

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's like a funny line.

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's like a witty line.

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it actually kind of captures the character

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_03]: for one moment.

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that Johnny is not a good person.

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_03]: He's all right.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a very selfish person.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a hot head.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_03]: When he's a hero,

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_03]: it's always just sort of out of vanity.

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, kind of.

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_03]: You know he loves the attention.

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_01]: He likes attention.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_03]: He loves the power.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_03]: He likes showing off.

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_03]: He likes his family.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_03]: He'll protect them.

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's like he's not going to chase this missile,

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_03]: which is oh it's heat seeking.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah that's the idea.

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And he like drives it into like an oil tanker or something.

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_03]: He drives it into my butt hole in like fart.

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_03]: It's the worst movie.

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But I like that one moment.

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Kerry Washington is the place that things go for.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_03]: He's not doing it to save the day.

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't think about it.

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_03]: He's just I never do it.

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going to do this because I like flying.

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_03]: It's fine.

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Kerry Washington plays his blind girlfriend.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a slow Chris.

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_03]: The thing's blind girlfriend, yeah.

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a big set he's seen on a bridge where the thing wants to kill himself

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_03]: because he goes to visit his wife after he's turned into a rock monster.

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And she's wanting out with him.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_03]: She is wanting out there and she thinks he's gritty.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah there's a long, there's a big plot thread about the thing like

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_01]: un-thinging himself.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_01]: They try to un-thing.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is something they do in the Trank movie too.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah they go to a bridge.

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_03]: A bird poops on him.

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_03]: He gets angry so he walks off the bridge.

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And then a car hits him.

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And then that's the other big set piece.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_03]: They just have to deal with it.

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_03]: They go multi-car pile ups.

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So they have to all come and save him

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_03]: which includes Jessica with being her panacea.

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_03]: It's the fucking worst.

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And then right when they finally solve the problem,

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_03]: they save the day and everyone cheers the Fantastic Four

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_03]: for the first time publicly even though they're responsible

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_03]: for the entire thing happening.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone's cheering going yeah Fantastic Four

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's that level of like extra work where it's people

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_03]: holding up to like number one fingers and going

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah Fantastic Four, his ex-fiancé.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Just mysteriously.

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I believe played by Brigitte Wilson-Sampras, am I right?

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Laurie Holden of The Walking Dead.

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And X-Files.

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_01]: What movie was Brigitte Wilson-Sampras in?

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway go on.

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Go on Madison.

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Well okay sure yes I was just like go on carry on.

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_01]: She shows up Laurie Holden here.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Suddenly at this crowd scene on a bridge

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_03]: that was blocked off she shows up in like a negligee

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_03]: and just looks at him.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_03]: She wears a negligee in all of her scenes yeah.

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And just shakes her head and then takes the

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_03]: engagement ring off her finger and throws it on the ground

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_03]: and walks away.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the level of screenwriting in this movie

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_03]: that people just show up at moments even though

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_03]: it doesn't make sense how they got there,

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_03]: where they were, how they knew where anyone was

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_03]: and they just do symbolic gestures.

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_03]: The movie is terrible.

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_03]: It makes a lot of money.

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_03]: It makes good amount of money.

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_03]: It opens to I think $60 million opening weekend.

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I saw it.

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Ten years ago.

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I saw it.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Opening weekend.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_03]: A big stat was that year was really really bad

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_03]: for the box office in North America

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_03]: and every week was down from previous weeks,

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_03]: from previous years rather.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So they always, a fucking serious box office

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_03]: point they always do this thing where it's like

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_03]: compared to the weekend of September 7th 2013

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_03]: box office sales are up 30% or down 20%

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_03]: and every single weekend was down.

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_03]: The summer was down.

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it was up.

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You're saying this was the up week.

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_03]: This was the first up week all year.

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_03]: So Fantastic Four got a not necessary boost

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_03]: because it looked like it was saving the summer.

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_03]: It made $150 million in the US.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it cost $150 million.

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_03]: It did well.

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_03]: So they immediately greenlit a sequel

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_03]: and they thought the sequel we're going to expand.

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to go even bigger.

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_03]: We're bringing in the server surfer.

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Right?

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_03]: It made the exact same amount of money.

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_03]: It cost a lot more.

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_01]: God, that movie was marketed like really heavily.

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_01]: They did the Galactus arc.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_01]: The famous, right, famous Galactus eater of worlds

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_03]: intergalactic creature who literally eats planets

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_03]: has the potential to be the Marvel Universe's

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_03]: greatest disaster movie like a beautiful

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Roland Emmerich movie where suddenly this

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_03]: horned armored giant comes in and starts

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_03]: destroying your world and who can save us

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_03]: only the Fantastic Four.

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And the Silver Surfer.

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And the Watcher and the Ultimate Level Fire.

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_03]: In this movie, Galactus is a cloud.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's a cloud.

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Mostly it's the Silver Surfer arrives.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he's like...

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_01]: He's played by Lawrence Fishburne's voice.

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And Doug Jones' body.

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And Doug Jones' body.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And he sort of...

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_01]: His rock art shiny, shiny body.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_01]: He surfs around.

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he does a lot surfing.

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_01]: At one point Dr. Doom gets his board or something.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Dr. Doom comes back

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_03]: and he's got a new suit of armor

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_03]: and he's riding like a disc.

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And then he gets the surf board and then he's surfing too.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And...

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Isn't there a good...

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Silver Surfer kind of falls in love with the

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Invisible Woman.

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they...

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_03]: The beginning of the movie is their wedding.

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And Steve...

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Not Steve...

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Brian Pozane is the minister.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Stanley tries to get into the

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_01]: wedding and they're like, you can't come in

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and he's like, but I'm Stan Lee.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_01]: He says it.

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is so frustrating because the one...

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the one time that he plays himself.

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe.

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, and also in the first movie they have him play

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Willie Lumpkin.

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Fantastic Four's mailman

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_03]: who they always jokingly say is the fifth member.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And it was a cool that he got to play a character

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_03]: that he created.

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't just a cameo, it was like,

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_03]: horny old man!

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like he's playing a Stan Lee character.

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well in the second movie he plays Stanley.

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, fuck the movie.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Andre Brower isn't it?

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, given nothing to do other than go

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_03]: listen, Fantastic Four.

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_03]: He's the general.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think you should.

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_01]: He probably got like...

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So much money.

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's a pro.

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a great gangster.

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_01]: He hits his marks.

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Look, he won an Academy Award and he deserved it.

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_01]: For the Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer.

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_01]: For Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer.

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that movie basically relegates Mr. Fantastic

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_01]: even like it's like he doesn't matter.

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't like him.

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_03]: The Silver Surfer interrupts their wedding.

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And the human tort chases him.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_03]: That's maybe the one good action sequence

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_03]: is that chase.

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Which was the trailer.

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_03]: The entire trailer was just that sequence.

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_03]: The first movie was really kind of a kids movie.

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_03]: They test screened it.

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_03]: It didn't go well so they went,

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_03]: let's add in more like kids humor.

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_03]: So there's a lot of like Ben and Johnny fucking with each other.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is a staple of the comics but in a really goofy,

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_03]: like Nickelodeon sitcom kind of way.

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's really bad.

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a montage of them adjusting to having powers

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_03]: that includes a shot of Mr. Fantastic

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_03]: reaching out of the bathroom to get toilet paper.

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Stretching to get toilet paper because his butthole's poopy.

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And he doesn't...

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_03]: He's got a stretchy arm so he's gonna...

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a thing that's in the movie.

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_03]: They don't know what to do with the stretchy.

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_03]: They don't know what to do.

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, they never...

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Even though that's visually the best power.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Second movie they try to get a little more serious.

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_03]: They do this ballsy action sequence.

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And then a big thing where...

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And the Nolan movie had come out and so like it's like,

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_01]: alright well superheroes can be serious.

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Batman Begins came out the same year as the first Fantastic Four.

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is a really, really interesting case of indecency.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And just took a big shit all over its face.

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a big midsection where they all swap powers

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_03]: so they're all like...

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, right.

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Human torch is rocky and the thing is fiery

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_03]: and then they have all the powers at the same time.

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Sue's kind of interested in Silver Surfer.

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Most of his role is just him saying like,

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_03]: shit's coming.

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And then the cloud comes.

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And then the cloud doesn't come.

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_03]: It's the worst movie.

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway.

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And then that was it.

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_03]: So that movie costs a lot more

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and makes the exact same amount of money.

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and then Chris Evans quickly goes off to do Captain America.

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Just a couple years later.

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Right and they go it's done.

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's it.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But as soon as four or five years later,

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Fox is apparently considering rebooting the characters.

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Because if they don't, they will lose the rights.

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And at this point Marvel is scooping the rights back.

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_03]: They're going, we're making our movies our way

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_03]: so other people can't fuck them up and hire Tim's story.

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Well also integrating them all into this big shared world.

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_01]: All of that.

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And important to note the Fantastic Four were the first family.

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_03]: As they're establishing this timeline of all these characters,

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_03]: it becomes harder and harder to even imagine Marvel

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_03]: being able to integrate Fantastic Four into their universe.

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_03]: They could do it.

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_03]: They could.

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But it would be weird.

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_01]: The idea is they are first.

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It's true.

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_01]: They were the first.

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_01]: They're kind of their first.

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So mumblings, maybe they're trying to do this,

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe they're trying to do that.

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_03]: They're going to make it at some point.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Because Marvel would love to get the characters back.

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And then this movie Chronicle comes out?

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_03]: It's solid.

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_01]: You dislike that movie.

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_03]: But people like it.

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's solid.

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't like it.

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I think more than anything,

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_03]: it's a really good showcase reel for Josh Trank.

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what it is.

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not a great movie but it's a really good showcase.

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a found footage movie.

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got good performances from his actors.

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_01]: He casts with Dane Dehan and Michael B. Jordan

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and another guy.

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Who's the other guy?

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Who knows.

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_03]: The one who's furious and punches the wall.

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_01]: It's about some kids who get powers.

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_01]: They can fly.

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_01]: They're telekinetic.

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_01]: For some reason they shoot everything on

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_01]: like a video camera.

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a found footage movie but it's one of the

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_01]: found footage movies that actually

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_01]: uses found footage well.

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of except by the end they do have to be like,

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to bring the camera with me.

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is my problem with found footage.

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_03]: But it uses it better and sticks to it as a

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_03]: cinematic device more than most of these fucking movies.

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like that movie.

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It's too self serious.

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like Dane Dehan's character is really,

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like that movie.

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_03]: It costs like 15 million dollars to make.

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah it costs no money and it makes sense.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And the effects are great.

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah it looks good.

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And it makes a lot of money.

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_03]: So everyone goes, oh this guy's interesting.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_03]: It makes total sense.

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Fox goes maybe this is our in-house guy.

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we can incubate him and make him

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_03]: to us what like Christopher Nolan is

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_03]: to Warner Brothers.

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_03]: He had made small scale films.

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_03]: They gave him Batman and now he's their

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_03]: big 10 pole guy.

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Right?

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So they went, what can we get Trank on?

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Fantastic Four.

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Trank do you have any ideas for Fantastic Four?

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And Trank goes, yeah this is what I would do

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_03]: with Fantastic Four.

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd try to make it really grounded and gritty.

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd make them young.

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd make them emotionally tortured.

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_03]: So right now it sounds like he's just pitching

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Chronicle.

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And like he wants to make like a body horror movie.

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_01]: He wants like their transformations into these

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_01]: things kind of scary and weird.

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas usually it's like cosmic rays,

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_01]: crazy and three of them are like fantastic

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_01]: and the thing's like I hate my body.

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I suck.

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the only conflict.

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's white colors and fun and all this

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_03]: magical power.

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_01]: No, he's going to do this like creepy

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_01]: sci-fi, horror, skew, like you know whatever.

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_03]: What is your response when you hear this

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_03]: at the time?

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_03]: This is like 2012 maybe.

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_03]: That sounds shitty.

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay these are my feelings.

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I go that doesn't sound like the

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Fantastic Four movie I want.

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_03]: That doesn't sound like the one I drew

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_03]: on my notebooks.

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_03]: But at this point I have seen three shitty

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_03]: movies.

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_03]: This sounds so far away from what Tim

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Story did, which was my least favorite take

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_03]: anyone could do.

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I understand and I thought that too.

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I would rather someone make a good movie

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_03]: with these characters that doesn't

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_03]: classically represent them than make

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_03]: another shitty movie.

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Homogenized.

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_03]: It sounds like he has a strong take

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_03]: on it at the very least, which I'm

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_03]: excited by.

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I go I'll wait and see.

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_03]: He cast four very strong young actors.

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Miles Teller?

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Kate Maher?

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay Miles Teller is way too young

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and like when he was cast I was like

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah Miles Teller was good in

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Whiplash and the spectacular now

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_01]: playing a you know 18 year old but

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_01]: like why would he be Mr. Fantastic?

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_03]: The Fantastic Four should be in their 40.

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't make any sense.

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I believe this strongly.

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course they should.

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I think Johnny should be younger

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_03]: and the rest of them should be like

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_03]: they can be in their 30s to 40s.

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I think Mr. Fantastic should be 40.

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Ben Graham should be around 40.

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean in the comic book originally

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_01]: at least Mr. Fantastic is like a lot

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_01]: older than the invisible woman and he is

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_01]: creepy.

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And the Roger Corbyn movie does that.

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah it does.

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_03]: When he first meets Sue she's a little girl

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_03]: and he's a professor that she has a

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_03]: cute dog.

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I know she's a crush on him.

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_03]: She thinks he's cute.

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I liked that they did that.

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I like creepy things.

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So Miles Teller, Kate Maher.

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_01]: They make them all little kids.

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Kate Maher was in House of Cards

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_01]: which she was fine in and she is

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_01]: really great in two scenes in Brokeback

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Mountain but I'm not exactly going

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_01]: around saying like hey Kate Maher is

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_01]: like great.

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_01]: She's solid.

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Michael B. Jordan is human torch.

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Great casting.

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I love Michael B. Jordan.

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_01]: He's super fucking charismatic.

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Jamie Bell is the thing.

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Makes no sense.

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Jamie Bell is so pretty.

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Why would you make him the thing?

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_03]: A couple things.

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Once again Ben Graham should be a big guy.

[00:50:26] Yeah.

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Not like a wiry little like five

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_01]: foot seven Brit with like a dancer's body.

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And they keep on talking.

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And like a chiseled jaw.

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_03]: In this Josh Trank movie they keep on

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_03]: saying he's pretty in a very delicate way.

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_03]: They keep on saying this Josh Trank

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_03]: movie like Ben, he's the muscle.

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_03]: He's the bruser.

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_03]: He's supposed to be a rough kid.

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_03]: He's rough and tumble.

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the reason they hired him

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_03]: was because Jamie Bell has proven

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_03]: himself to be a master of motion

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_03]: capture.

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I see.

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_03]: He's done a lot of motion capture work

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and he played 10-10.

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's very good at it.

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's good at it.

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_03]: He's fine in the movie.

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Along with Andy Serkis, the two people

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_03]: who have stood out in motion capture work

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_03]: are Jamie Bell and

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Toby Kebbell, who is cast as

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Victor Vontu.

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, what was Toby Kebbell?

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_01]: He was Coba.

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_03]: In Dawn of the Planned Thieves, which is, I think,

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_03]: a phenomenal performance.

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And there was another motion capture movie

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_03]: he did that I can't remember now.

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Let me look it up.

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Toby Kebbell, who I mostly know as

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_01]: character in the Black Mirror episode

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_01]: The Entire History.

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_01]: That's mostly like what I know that actor from.

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's a fine actor.

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_03]: He's fine.

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's, you're saying he's a

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_03]: fine actor.

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's a fine actor.

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_03]: He's in Wrath of the Titans.

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that movie rolls.

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Does it though?

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_01]: No, it doesn't.

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Black Mirror.

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, nothing really.

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_03]: He's really good in Sorcerer's Apprentice.

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, fuck off.

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll fuck off.

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, he's a young British actor.

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Their take is more inspired by

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_03]: The Ultimate Fantastic Four in which

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_03]: they all meet in their early 20s.

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not my favorite interpretation of the character.

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_03]: It's this stupid comic, the Marvel.

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I like The Ultimate Line, but not

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Ultraman.

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_03]: They all mean their 20s.

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_03]: It's sort of a Harry Potter type thing

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_03]: where it's like the school for the most

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_03]: brilliant science kids.

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And they all meet there and then

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_03]: they become The Fantastic Four

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_03]: traveling to different dimensions.

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Rather than into space, they go into

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_03]: alternate dimensions.

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's what this movie does.

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and maybe original comics have

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_01]: that too, the negative zone, these

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_01]: sort of alternate dimensions they go to.

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_03]: But it seems like for the first time

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_03]: we're going to get a Fantastic Four

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_03]: movie, whether or not it's the right vision.

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_03]: The singularity of vision.

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly.

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Now Max Landis was originally going to

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_01]: write the movie, right?

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he exited for some reason.

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_03]: He had written the Chronicle.

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_03]: They turned down his pitch.

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_03]: They picked up another script which

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_03]: is recently reviewed by Devin

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Firocci over at Birth Movies Death.

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And that script sounds perfect.

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Who's it by?

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Jeremy Slater, who I think still

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_03]: gets co-screenwriting credit on this

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_03]: film.

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_03]: But his film started essentially

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_03]: what is Josh Trank's Fantastic Four?

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_03]: The entire story that comprises that

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_03]: entire film was the first act of this

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_03]: script.

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And you don't have me so far because

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_01]: it's not like the first act is...

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no.

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm saying everything that happens.

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_03]: That makes sense.

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Was condensed to 30 minutes.

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what should have happened.

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_03]: That's Act One.

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And then the Mole Man who lost

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_03]: funding for his experiment.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, who is Tim Blake Nelson.

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Experiment to create life because

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_03]: they put the funding in the Fantastic Four

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_03]: instead.

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Unleashes a giant monster.

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_03]: The Fantastic Four escape from their

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_03]: containment unit.

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Fight the giant Moloid on Fifth Avenue

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_03]: are publicly now revealed to the

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_03]: world.

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_03]: The government has to weaponize them

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_03]: and make them a team.

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_03]: They fight Victor Von Doom who builds

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_03]: La Veria in the All-Journey.

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_03]: It sounds awesome.

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Galactus is in it.

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_03]: The setup for the second life.

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, Galactus is in it too?

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_03]: The setup is that he finds Galactus

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_03]: in the negative zone.

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And Dr. Doom is threatening to unleash

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Galactus on the world.

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_01]: That sounds like a lot, but that's

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like a lot.

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like a good script.

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And he did get credit, as you say,

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_01]: along with Kim Berkentrank.

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_03]: They got scared that it was too

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_03]: expensive.

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was too weird.

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, why are Fox just such

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_01]: cheap skates?

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Scaredy cats?

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, I think also

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_01]: because Josh Tranks a young

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_01]: director, he's unproven, he

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_03]: hasn't worked with a big budget.

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_03]: But they want to work in the

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Fantastic Heart.

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_03]: They want to work in Herbie

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_03]: the Robot.

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_03]: They want to work in all these

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_03]: elements of the lore in this

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_03]: sort of modern way.

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't your grandpa's

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Fantastic Four.

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't my Fantastic Four, but

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_03]: it was all Fantastic Four.

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, it didn't happen.

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_03]: It didn't happen.

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Something fucking happened with

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_03]: this movie.

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't really, we should say

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_01]: we don't totally, no one totally

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_01]: knows what happened with this

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_01]: movie.

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_03]: It's sort of one of the greatest

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_03]: filmmaking mysteries.

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm sure more will come out

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_01]: because the movie when you

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_01]: watch it is completely bizarre.

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It takes place almost

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_01]: entirely in a lab.

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_03]: It's barely coherent.

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_03]: It takes place in one location.

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It has almost no action in it.

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_03]: 90% of the scenes that were

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_03]: in the trailers are not in the

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_03]: film, including action set pieces.

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_01]: There's tons of stuff in the

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_01]: trailers, not in the movie.

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_01]: The movie was obviously reshot

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_01]: because Kate Maher is wearing this

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_01]: horrible wig.

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So there's all this stuff that

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_01]: was obviously added in.

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_01]: At like four different points

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_01]: it skips ahead a year.

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_01]: There's one scene with Victor

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_01]: of Undoom where he's this

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_01]: like bearded hacker right at

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_01]: the beginning called like, you

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_01]: know, doom.com or whatever.

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he's like in a scene

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_01]: that is very clearly completely

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_01]: ADR'd.

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they cut to like wide

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_01]: shots so you can't see the people

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_01]: talking.

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, get back to the doom.

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Clean yourself up, doom.

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Like get back to the lab.

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And so then doom shows up in like

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_01]: reshoot mode as like another

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_01]: scientist.

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of that and Tim

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Blake Nelson's character was

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_03]: supposed to be the mole man.

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_03]: They changed his name so that

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_03]: he's not.

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_01]: He's in it but he's yeah,

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_01]: he's just a grump.

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_03]: But they changed his name through

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_03]: ADR only when people's mouths

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_03]: are off screen do they refer

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_03]: to him and not as Dr. Harvey

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Elder or whatever his fucking name

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_03]: is Mr. John Businessman.

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And Victor of Undoom, they

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_03]: in the script they were going to

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_03]: call him Victor of Undoom and

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_03]: they like chins out through

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_03]: ADR.

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_03]: The movie is so compromised and

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_03]: so weird.

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_01]: There was some movie.

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_01]: That Trank made.

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It was presented, obviously

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_01]: presented to the studio.

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_03]: The studio hated it.

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_03]: The one thing I have heard

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_03]: conclusively is that like six

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_03]: months before they were going

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_03]: to film, they got cold feet at

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_03]: his take, cut his budget in

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_03]: half.

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_01]: That's so strange.

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Why would you do that?

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Why is that going to make a

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_03]: good movie?

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And they commissioned a

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_03]: rewrite and they said take the

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_03]: first act of this script and

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_03]: make it the whole film.

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_03]: The things that happen act two

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_03]: and three are really expensive.

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe they just decided,

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_01]: look this movie's not going to

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_01]: make money.

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's cut our losses before we

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_01]: even start production.

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was cynical.

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they thought it's

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_03]: not going to make money.

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I think they thought Marvel

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_03]: such a strong brand.

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Superheroes are so big.

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh like we don't even need

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_01]: to make an effort.

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_01]: We can release fucking

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_01]: whatever and it'll do well.

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Well that's not smart.

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It made less in its entire

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_03]: run than the two Tim

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Story movies did in their

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_03]: opening weekend ten years ago.

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_03]: It is a massive bomb.

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a huge bomb.

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's a weird,

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_03]: weird neither fish nor

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_03]: foul of a film.

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a terrible movie.

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And Trank tweeted something

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_01]: along the lines of like I had

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_01]: a great movie like a year ago

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and you wish you could have

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_01]: seen it and then he deleted

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_01]: it immediately obviously.

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't doubt his version was

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_03]: better because no I'll tell

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_03]: you why because I always will

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_03]: prefer a cohesive vision.

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess so.

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_03]: To a mishmash.

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I would rather see his

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_03]: version of the movie even

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_03]: if it doesn't.

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It's hard to imagine there will

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_01]: be a worse movie.

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Because this movie barely makes

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_03]: sense on a scene to see in

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_03]: the basis.

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I was admittedly very drunk when

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I watched it because I was

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_03]: sober.

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I went into it like a

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_03]: like a judge.

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Like a battered.

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_03]: As the judge.

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm a member of him.

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I was sober as the judge.

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Sober as the judge.

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Isn't he drunk all the time?

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_03]: No he's sobered up now.

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_03]: But he has a brain tumor.

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Or whatever.

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Right you went in sober

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I went in with a brain tumor.

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_03]: No my relationship

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_03]: with these fantastic four movies

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_03]: is like an abusive

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_03]: relationship and I put off

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_03]: seeing the movie for weeks

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_03]: because I didn't want to go

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_03]: through it and I thought it was

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_03]: actually going to hurt me

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_03]: honestly.

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I brought beer into the

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_03]: theater and I got very drunk

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_03]: when I watched it.

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_03]: By the end of it I was just

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_03]: loudly sighing and like

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_03]: throwing up my hands.

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I saw with my friend Orlando

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_03]: all the way.

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like fucking come on.

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Everything about it just

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_03]: pissed me off so much

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_03]: because I truly love these

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_03]: characters as much as I love

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_03]: any characters in pop culture.

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And there are moments, brief

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_03]: moments at this point I'll

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_03]: take what I can fucking get.

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_03]: But there are moments where I

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_03]: just see the four appropriate

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_03]: colors on the screen at the

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_03]: same time and I get the

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_03]: pangs of like I could

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_03]: there could be a fantastic

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_03]: form movie.

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you see orange and red

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_03]: and blue and Sue's sort of

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_03]: whiteish bluish thing

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_03]: and I go the powers are

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_03]: happening at the same time

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_03]: for half a second.

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_03]: This movie isn't working but

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I see the power of the

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_03]: fantastic form movie could

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_03]: happen.

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the movie has no

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_01]: set pieces except for

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_01]: so the movie is yeah they go

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_01]: to this special school

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_01]: basically.

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_03]: The first 45 minutes are

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_01]: introducing all the characters

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_01]: poorly.

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So you got Mr. Fantastic

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_01]: is this like boy genius whose

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_01]: dad is Tim Heidecker and he's

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_01]: like Tim Heidecker who by the

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_03]: way is like seventh build in

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_03]: the incredible.

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_01]: No I did notice it of course

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_01]: it's insane.

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_01]: He's in one scene for one

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_01]: second sitting on a chair.

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_01]: He's just like yeah yeah yeah

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_01]: turn that fucking machine up.

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Sue's storm is the

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_01]: adopted like Bosnian refugee

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_01]: daughter of Franklin storm

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_01]: who's played by Reggie

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Kathy a great character

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and then Michael B. Jordan

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_01]: plays Johnny his like son

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_03]: who has left the world of

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_03]: science behind just wants to

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_01]: race cars like a mechanic

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_01]: basically but he can do

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_01]: anything they say so he's

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_01]: brought in to build a time

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_01]: machine essentially or as you

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_03]: know a fucking wormhole

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_03]: machine Ben Graham gets beaten

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_03]: regularly by his brother growing

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_03]: up who is played by did you

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_03]: notice this who played

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Ben Graham's abusive brother

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_03]: the things catchphrases is

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_03]: clobbering time in this

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_03]: opening scene his brothers

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_03]: beating him he goes oh it's

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_03]: clobbering time and the

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_03]: beat the shit out of him

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_03]: it's like oh this is my Ben

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Graham has a chip on his shoulder

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_03]: playing the role of whatever

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_03]: his name was Jimmy Grimm

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Chet Hayes oh you know I did

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_01]: know that right yeah

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_01]: rapper and son of Tom Hanks

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Chet Hayes yeah it's again

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_01]: one scene and again why was

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Chet Hayes out of the way

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_01]: well they must have shot more

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_01]: of that because there's no way

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_01]: like that I'm not asking why

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_03]: would he take apart that

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_03]: small and why do they choose

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_03]: him to play any part in

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_01]: that he's fine he's good

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_01]: he's a good performer but

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's great great job

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_01]: okay okay he's okay the

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_01]: first 45 minutes are just Ben

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Graham's not really involved

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_01]: in the first 40 that's it he's like

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_01]: their best friend at school once

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_03]: he gets recruited he's like I

[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_03]: don't belong here any leads and

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_03]: he's gone and he's working in

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_03]: some auto repair shop um the

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_03]: five main characters don't end

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_03]: up in the same city until

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_01]: minute 55 doom is there too and

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_01]: he's like a rival kind of they

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_03]: get drunk their funding gets

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_03]: cut they go yeah they go you

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_03]: built the interdimensional

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_03]: travel machine yeah we're going

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_03]: to hire other NASA scientists to

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_03]: to go in and actually pilot it

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_03]: they get drunk and they go fuck

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_03]: that let's drunkenly go one of

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_01]: the most like in a scene that

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_01]: feels like it was written on

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_01]: a napkin yeah they get drunk

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and all of a sudden decide that

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_01]: like because like we went to the

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_01]: moon man and we built this thing

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_01]: we should be able to use it makes

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: no sense this is also over an

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_03]: hour into the film and you're

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_03]: like play someone do something the

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Fantastic Four do not go on the

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_03]: explanation that turns into Fantastic Four

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_03]: until over an hour into the film

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_03]: story movie that's ten minutes in so

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_03]: of course the four people you

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_03]: expect go inside the ship read

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Richards of course cork Johnny storm

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah he smashed his car so his dad

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_03]: said you have to help fix this

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_03]: machine yeah he's there too right

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_03]: they call up Ben Grimm at three

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_03]: o'clock in the morning he shows up

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_03]: they go get on a metro north he

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_03]: lives in upstate New York they go

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_03]: get a lot I can you be here in

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_03]: two hours we're gonna do a 5 a.m.

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_03]: drunk run to an alternate dimension

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_03]: right he gets there and then of

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_03]: course the fourth member is Victor

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_03]: von doom because so storm sleeping

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_03]: because so storm is not even really a

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_01]: fucking member of this movie not really

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_03]: so they all go up but her power is

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_03]: pattern right she fucking recognizes

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_03]: patterns and computer screen when she

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_03]: listens to her like beats by

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_03]: powers that she's not into read

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Richards and he's thirsty he's mad

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_03]: there's mad thirsty anyway so they go

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_01]: to an alternate dimension yes she

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_01]: wakes up in his life being what I

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_03]: recognize the mention oh no she gets

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_03]: on a computer tries to pull them out of it

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_03]: they all get hit by waves doctor doom

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_03]: gets left behind they make it through

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_03]: when they come through on the other

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: side thing where it's like read Richards

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_01]: is like hit by like something stretchy

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and like Johnny

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_01]: is like a cigarette right as

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: the machine goes off and then the

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: thing is like covered in space yeah

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_03]: and then when they come through on the

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_03]: other side there's a residual wave

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_03]: that hits so storm so soon storm lacks the

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_03]: agency to even be part of the team go on

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_03]: the trip explore the other dimension

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_03]: and doctor dooms left behind there

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_03]: and now like an hour and 15 minutes into

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_03]: the movie we got to one year later

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_03]: they do five minutes of the body horseship

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_03]: there's five minutes that I think kind

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_03]: of works it's really weirdly edited

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_03]: it's clearly a dr but there's

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_03]: some interesting imagery in it it doesn't

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_01]: it doesn't work because you're so annoyed at the movie

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_01]: but like you know there's interesting

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: in which it could have worked yes I mean

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_01]: the idea of reads stretchy thing

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: hurting yes I don't like

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_01]: that it's stupid it hurt like

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_03]: that's not the idea of that power if you

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_03]: want to make it scary make him scared by

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_03]: what's happening not because it hurts

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_03]: because it looks weird and that's a

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_01]: terrifying reality so anyway then he

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_01]: stretches into an air shaft and he like

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_01]: goes to see Ben who's just a pile of rocks

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and he's like I'll help you Ben don't worry

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna help you and then he runs away

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and a year later he's living in like

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Albania and the worst and

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_03]: he's using his powers to make

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_03]: his face look like someone a little bit

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_03]: different than Miles Teller yeah so no one can

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_03]: recognize him yep Ben Grimm is being

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_03]: weaponized by military but that sequence

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_03]: has been cut out of the movie it's in the

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_03]: trailers but it's cut out of the movie you see

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_03]: a video right of him going and fucking

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_01]: fighting and you're like oh why didn't we

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_01]: please could we see him I'll watch that

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_01]: that's fine is Ben gonna punch some

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_01]: people I'll watch that the entire

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_03]: movie takes place in this one fucking

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_03]: lab essentially they get read Richard's

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_03]: back because they're getting weird

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_03]: signal pattern right the pattern doctor

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_01]: deems there but no they're like you know

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: invisible woman you know can sue she

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: won't do it and they're like sue you got to

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_01]: do it cuz dr. dooms in there maybe and

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: she's like alright I'll use my pattern

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: recognition powers and find some even

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_01]: though none of them could find him it

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_03]: doesn't he comes through and he starts

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: busting human torch has firepower yeah

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: he just hangs out in a room he makes

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_03]: heads explode and they're like doctor

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: do make sense that's I'm saying I was

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_03]: saying I was just talking about human

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_03]: torch okay dr. doom comes through and

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_03]: makes heads explode no got a metal man

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_03]: and the middle man with lightning power

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and his he's really a buddy just has

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: had exploding he like makes a humming

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: noise and then their heads explode

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah this all happens in the movie

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a good bagel and then he goes back

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_01]: to his doom zone and they go in there

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_03]: with him and for the first time at

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_03]: hour one minute 40 of the film

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_03]: the Fantastic Four suits up together

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_03]: in the same frame kind of not really

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_03]: like there's a shot they go to the

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_03]: alternate they don't really work together

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_03]: for three minutes there's a three minute

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_01]: sequence and mr. fantastic system and

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: lines of like he's stronger than all any

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_01]: of us but he's not stronger than all of

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_01]: us and then oh we're a team I didn't

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_01]: know most mind-bogglingly confusing

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_01]: CGI ensues nothing that happens it's

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_01]: chaos and it's it's nothing that

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: happens to me and I'm not being

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_01]: hyperbolic like no nothing makes sense

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: no and then they defeat him it and

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_03]: in Orlando said to me my friend

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Orlando I saw with turned to me and

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_03]: said I don't understand how they beat

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Dr. Doom what just happened you don't

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_03]: understand no you know it's chaos it

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_03]: clearly was like they use the fact

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_03]: that thing and human torture largely

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_03]: CGI yeah and use stand-in for Kate

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Mara and then a wig and like no not

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_03]: the actors Lucas all were clearly in

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_03]: the same place at the same time and

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_03]: they cut together and it's chaos and

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_03]: then it ends and then it cuts to

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_03]: another year later yep and they come

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_03]: to their lab and they're like nice

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_03]: new digs I guess we're a team now what

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_03]: should we call ourselves and they're

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_03]: like the awesome for the sure the cool

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_03]: group the rad quartet and it's like

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_03]: something fantastic and it's like wait

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_03]: say that again it goes oh you mean the

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and then cut to black directed by

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Josh Trank they do the same fucking

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_03]: n-tag Avengers old of old tron it's

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_01]: not it's not their fault they can't

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_03]: have known yeah but it's also dumb it

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_03]: is super it's really annoying the

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_03]: home we're wearing these drab black

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_03]: suits like containment suits there in

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_03]: the lab there's one fight the mood it's

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_01]: the worst movie it really is and yeah

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_01]: see you're yeah but I went no no but

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_03]: better than the Tim story one I don't

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_01]: think so but I know it's not better

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_03]: than in the moments where it works for

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_03]: four seconds at a time it's one of the

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_01]: worst movies I've ever seen the Tim

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_01]: story like aggressively mediocre and

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_01]: thus like awful to watch in like a

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_01]: really painful experience and he's

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_01]: lights the Whopper on fire yeah and

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: you're just so mad at them but like

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_01]: they do have like like I said the Tim

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_01]: story movies it's like scene one Dr. Doom

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_01]: we need to get up to this space station

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_01]: he's like all right scenes in order

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: that's what you're saying scene two

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_01]: we're on the space station we got our

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: power scene three we have our power

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_03]: there's linear story progression

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_03]: which the Trank movie lacks but here's

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_03]: a David I don't even think we can

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_03]: judge the trunk movie because it's not

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_03]: a movie it's like it's what they

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_03]: were really three half of it out well

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_01]: okay

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_03]: fuck the blank check in this case is that

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Fox and Roger Corman all these people

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_03]: had this money to make whatever they want

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_03]: to make and every time they fucked up

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_03]: made them a cynical cash grab product

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_03]: they did with disdain for the audience

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah these characters make me happy

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_03]: David I'm a sad boy and few things make

[01:07:24] [SPEAKER_03]: me happy in this world and every time

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I look at the fantastic four I get

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_03]: happy and I believe that amazing things

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_03]: can happen I do in the role in the

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_03]: comic book I have stickers on my wall

[01:07:35] [SPEAKER_03]: and I look at the venezik for and I feel

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_03]: good for a second okay we all hate each

[01:07:39] [SPEAKER_03]: other but we can maybe work together

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah all right all right family

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_03]: doesn't get along my dad's cutting this

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_01]: rent short I don't want to hear it

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: anymore I went into this movie

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Ben is like you just reaching for the

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: knobs and has this episode and hates

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_01]: uh I went into this movie you know you

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_01]: would heard bad things yeah but Simon

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Kinberg was involved right he made the

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_01]: X-Men reboot yeah fine so you think

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_01]: like alright look I know we didn't

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_01]: even mention like we heard like Josh

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_01]: train this all these crazy stories about

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Josh Frank like couldn't take the

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_01]: pressure and trash the house movie got

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_01]: in a fight with like the county sheriff

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: somewhere his dog's cost like 200,000

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_01]: dollars worth of damage to the house

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_03]: they rip none of it makes any sense

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_03]: them with algae behind the making of

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: the film lots of bad news and then

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_03]: there was a press screening you saw

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_01]: that's what I'm saying yeah so then

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_01]: there was this interview with Simon

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Kinberg I think maybe that came out

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: the day I went to the press

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_01]: screening where he was like I've seen

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_01]: the movie it's not a catastrophe

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_01]: which like you're like okay it's

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: obviously if the producer of the film

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_01]: is like look I've seen it and let me

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_01]: tell you it like no children are killed

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_01]: on screen you know like it's like it

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_03]: is not land is did not direct this

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_01]: yes and so I go to see the movie I

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_01]: still think like look the Tim story

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_01]: movies are horrible horrid but it's

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_01]: got to be better than those just

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_01]: because it's got an interesting cast

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and like you know he's a bit more of a

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_01]: visual director like you know surely and

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_01]: it was worse that's all I have to say I

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_01]: saw it with pretty good expectations

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_01]: couldn't believe how bad I don't

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_01]: even think it's a movie and I don't

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_01]: think we can judge it I didn't enjoy

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_03]: watching it it made me sad but it's

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_03]: not a movie and I would like to someday

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_03]: see Josh Trank's cut which I also do

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_03]: not think is good I think would be a

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_03]: bad film as opposed to a bad

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_03]: collection of it they threw scenes in

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_03]: a hat and they juggle it up and they

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_03]: threw it in our face and they peed in

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_03]: our eyes yeah I spit bagel you did at the

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_03]: mic David wrapping this episode up

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_03]: there's one film we haven't mentioned

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_03]: which is the only good fantastic for

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_03]: movie ever and it's 2004 Bradburn's

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: right and this is what all I mean it's

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_01]: almost become a cliche to say it like

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_01]: that's the good fantastic for me but

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_01]: it totally is but the point is that

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_01]: movie about a family dynamic of

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_01]: superhero and it might be the only

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_03]: good fantastic for movie we ever get

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_03]: because even if Fox lets the right

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_03]: slaps ten years from now which they

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_03]: won't right but the soon as they would

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_03]: is ten years they won't they'll reboot

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_01]: it and sell it I guess you could like

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_01]: buy it out right Marvel could maybe like

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_01]: make them an offer they wouldn't

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_01]: refuse but I don't know why Marvel

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_01]: right now would really be doing I also

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_03]: think the characters are so tarnished

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_03]: at this point that Marvel wouldn't

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_03]: want to bring them into their

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_03]: unit fantastic for two still in

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_03]: development yeah they're claiming it's

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_03]: still in development those fuckers

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_01]: like I have read arguments that it's

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_01]: like look yeah the movie was bad you've

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_01]: got four actors locked into contract

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_01]: why don't you make another one like it

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_01]: is kind of it's like the definition of

[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_01]: insanity you know it's like or that they

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_01]: do it as a fantastic for X-Men crossover

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_01]: so it's not properly a sequel there's

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_01]: no way that's happening now

[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Fox like we got one franchise we're

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_01]: not gonna fucking get those fantastic

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_01]: fours in it yeah but but the fact is

[01:10:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I their damage goods right now and

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_03]: they were never as popular through

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_03]: other mediums like cartoons as the

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_03]: X-Men were the spider-man was where

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_03]: there's sort of as much a cultural

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_03]: understanding in a widespread way

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_01]: they're working on cartoons but yeah

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_03]: never I went to a wedding this weekend

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I was seated at the kids table by

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_03]: request because adults are stupid and

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I was talking these kids about

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_03]: complex because they knew I was a

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_03]: comic nerd and they were like oh

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_03]: what do you think about this you read

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_03]: this kind book and they were like who's

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_03]: your favorite I was like fantastic for

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_03]: and they were like fantastic for sucks

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Marvel has phase fantastic for out of

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_03]: their comic yet because they don't

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_03]: have the rights and they don't want to

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_03]: put money in Fox's pocket yeah it's not

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_03]: a cartoon shows right now they're not

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_03]: represented in video games and the

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_03]: movies that are out there for kids to

[01:11:34] [SPEAKER_03]: watch are fucking garbage so I don't

[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_03]: even think the announcement that

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Marvel had gotten the fantastic for

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_03]: back in their universe would be

[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_03]: greeted with cheers by anyone other

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_03]: than the hardcore nerd fans at

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_03]: this point Marvel just goes we're

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_03]: doing well enough we got it

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_01]: it's sad because like I said

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Thor the Dark World like it I do

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: feel like the Marvel Studios tone

[01:11:53] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah would nail fantastic and not to

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_03]: mention a Peyton Reed this year

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_03]: directed Ant-Man he did a great job

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_03]: it did a fine job in difficult

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_03]: circumstances jumping in late in the

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_01]: totally true had to jump in with like

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: eight weeks left before you know it's

[01:12:07] [SPEAKER_03]: totally true but it has the right

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_03]: sense of humor that movies great the

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_03]: way he visualizes some of the

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_03]: shrinking sequences feels fantastic

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_03]: and lighthearted is terrific sure footed

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_03]: that movie is a met me I'm sorry but

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_03]: it is really good it's a solid fucking

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's great you like it more

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_01]: than me I like it a lot you love

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_01]: well I saw it once and had such bad

[01:12:27] [SPEAKER_01]: expectations of it and was so I'm

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I still am mad about the agorite thing

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and over now it feels like the scapegoat

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_01]: for that is that fucking crazy guy who

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_01]: just got taken off the Marvel movies

[01:12:36] [SPEAKER_01]: that the CEO of Marvel whatever I

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_02]: was pearl movie yeah exactly well said

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_02]: there if it's a two hour bagel

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah seriously that's it anyway

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I went into atman after a press

[01:12:49] [SPEAKER_01]: screening and I was like I'm not gonna

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_01]: like this and I was like oh no I

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_01]: really like that then I saw it again

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_01]: like like a civilian and was delighted

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_01]: by have you seen it twice now I should

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_01]: see I recommend seeing it a second

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_01]: time is the comic notes are what

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_01]: like really stand out which I think

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_03]: would be the key to making a fantastic

[01:13:05] [SPEAKER_03]: for movie and reds just great

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_03]: right great he'd be a great Mr.

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic the Redster I call

[01:13:11] [SPEAKER_03]: the rudiest star we have today

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_03]: yep um I don't know if we'll ever

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_03]: get a fantastic for movie we might

[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_03]: have to settle for the Incredibles

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_03]: which nails the family dynamic

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_03]: which managed to nail the humor

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_03]: the sense of wonder the style it

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_03]: feels like a 60 set film and has

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_03]: those aesthetics yes I'll keep on

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_03]: trying I have notebooks full of oh

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah you should pitch it who would

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_01]: you right now who would you so

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_01]: because Clooney you know he's too old

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_01]: like you know who would you right

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_01]: now want to be in a fantastic for

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_01]: me I had my cast nailed down 10

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_03]: years ago John was a 10 years ago

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Mr. Fantastic all right that would

[01:13:46] [SPEAKER_01]: be horrible now right but 10 years

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_01]: ago it would work yeah that's

[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_01]: sort of the tail end of 12 years

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_03]: again early 2000s that'd be fine I

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_03]: think I wanted name me Watts is

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_03]: invisible that's a very 10 years ago

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_03]: choice yeah Billy crude up as a

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Victor on doom that's okay I've

[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_01]: never been a big Billy crude up

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and I like him a lot I love him in

[01:14:06] [SPEAKER_03]: public enemies he's really good man

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I have Paul Walker is he is no

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_03]: charisma I love him I love my

[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_03]: fantastic for I love my furious

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_03]: family who's the thing I might

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_03]: say my clerk Duncan at the time

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_03]: is obvious that's hacky that was

[01:14:24] [SPEAKER_03]: hacky yeah that was hacky I admit

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_01]: that was hacky Michael Clark Duncan

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_01]: it was just like is it a is the

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_01]: character large big it's weird

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_01]: because Michael Clark Duncan's a

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_01]: good actor but not in every

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_01]: circumstance I was 14 I was a

[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_01]: heck he's also dead now he is to

[01:14:38] [SPEAKER_01]: RIP Michael all right he Michael

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Clark Duncan my favorite thing

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_01]: about Michael Clark Duncan is that

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_01]: he insisted on watching WWE Smackdown

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_01]: live every Friday night or whenever

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and when he was nominated for an

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Oscar for the Green Mile yeah

[01:14:50] [SPEAKER_01]: the president of the United States

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_01]: George W Bush invited him to like

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_01]: you know meet him like come to the

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: White House it was on Friday night

[01:14:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and he was like yeah I'm not going

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_01]: to do it at Smackdown that night

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_01]: that's amazing he's the greatest

[01:15:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I met Peyton Reed once I

[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_03]: recognized him because I know what

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_03]: directors look like especially

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_03]: secondary comedic directors right

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_03]: and I said I'm sorry to bother you

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I just need to ask you what was your

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_03]: fantastic for movie gonna be I've

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_03]: heard like snippets of it and sound

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_03]: so cool can you tell me more about

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_03]: and he said honestly man I can't

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_03]: it's it's too painful for me to talk

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_03]: about okay and this was like five

[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_03]: years before he gets out man he

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_03]: thought he was never going to get

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_03]: to make a superhero movie and he

[01:15:39] [SPEAKER_03]: went I think it was so good and I

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_03]: think it could have been so

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_03]: exciting and I went the one they

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_03]: made was terrible and he went look

[01:15:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want a bad mouth and

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah director I think Tim Storys

[01:15:46] [SPEAKER_03]: and I went I love barbershop he

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_03]: went I love barbershop to he said I

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_03]: love barbershop comma to not I love

[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_03]: barbershop to although I do love

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_03]: barbershop to back in business but

[01:15:56] [SPEAKER_03]: he went I just I knew exactly what

[01:15:58] [SPEAKER_03]: that property needed and I don't

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_03]: know if anyone's ever going to make

[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_03]: the right movie and then he looked

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_03]: at me and he said I don't know

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe maybe you maybe you'll be

[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_03]: the one to do it and you woke

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_03]: with a start

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know I might have to wait

[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_00]: 20 years. Ben. I mean we're doing

[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_00]: final thoughts. Final thoughts.

[01:16:20] [SPEAKER_03]: So I just you haven't seen any of

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_03]: these movies correct. No. Yeah.

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I never liked Fantastic Four but

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I did really always love Silver

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Surfer comics cool guy cool guy

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_00]: and I always love Galactica.

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Galactus yeah you Philistine.

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry. Well anyway I looked up

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Guardians of the Galaxy to see if

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_00]: they were going to maybe include

[01:16:41] [SPEAKER_00]: that character or even Silver

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Surfer Fox has the rights. Yeah.

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah that stinks. I can't use the

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_03]: supporting character that really

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_01]: really stinks. They have the

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Celestials they're sort of doing

[01:16:51] [SPEAKER_01]: celestial stuff. Yeah. That's too

[01:16:54] [SPEAKER_01]: bad. Yeah. So I'm bummed. So you

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_01]: like the kind of whacked out stone

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_01]: space like you know cosmic shit.

[01:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I like that. Yeah I would.

[01:17:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Final thoughts. The Trank

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_03]: movie is the worst. No it's not

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_03]: the worst. But here's my final

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_03]: ranking. OK. Here are final

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_03]: thoughts. Final ranking. Yeah.

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Corman one.

[01:17:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Trank two Silver Surfer three

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_03]: first Tim Story four. I think I

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_03]: go Silver Surfer Tim Story

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Corman Trank. Great.

[01:17:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So we're the opposite.

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But like I don't like any of them.

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_01]: No they're all like two out of

[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_01]: five one and a half out of five

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_01]: one out of five zero out of

[01:17:32] [SPEAKER_01]: five. One final note.

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_01]: The Corman movie does have a

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_01]: really good score. It does.

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually like somewhat

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_01]: beloved amongst like movie

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_03]: scoreheads. It sounds like

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_03]: the Fantastic Four should sound.

[01:17:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I have to sign off. I do too.

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you all for listening.

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Next week we'll be back with.

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh it's actually really exciting

[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_01]: for the three.

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be.

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a rule.

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to watch this one.

[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be fucking cool.

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be a new Star Wars movie.

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_03]: He finished it out.

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_03]: He did a trilogy.

[01:17:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh man.

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_03]: He finished his story.

[01:17:57] [SPEAKER_03]: That's actually insane. All right.

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I love you all.

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you all for listening.

[01:18:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And as always.

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. Thank you.

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.