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[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check Um... Let's podcast, let's podcast, let's podcast Let's do it, let's podcast

[00:00:26] It's great, it's great Look you can't beat her but you did good Yeah, yeah Do you have the podcast? Not yet Not yet Not yet Teeth clenched Uh... hello everybody my name is Griffin I am Davey Sims Uh... 2018 baby Davey Sims Loosen that's hot

[00:00:48] No no no I'm tightening it back up I'm David Sims This podcast is called Blank Check with Griffin and David Uh... it's a podcast about filmographies Directed to a massive success early on in their career

[00:01:00] And they're issued a series of Blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want There you go Oh, here a check for you Here you are I'll take any check I want And another? Yeah Oh look that check cleared Let's see what that second check did Boing

[00:01:14] Boing Boing Bounce baby Uh... we're hashtag the two friends Competitive advantage, no other podcast have that going for it 2018 still Wishing you a happy No competitive no one can compete 2018 Uh... no we Yeah wish you a happy 2018 I stepped all over you there To all our Blank seconds

[00:01:36] Oh I don't know That's what he does I know it's what he does We don't have to do everything he does Blank adians Yeah We made a promise A solemn vow On this show Bear Because If we've covered director We become invested

[00:01:59] And we can't just leave him behind We can't just close the book Nope We can open the book Yeah we can't just stop the presses Yeah but we can't just stop the presses Book of Henry I don't know I'm sorry I'm out of it today Yeah Yeah

[00:02:14] But uh... We said if a director we have covered in the past We've done it before In a miniseries As a new film We're gonna do a one-off We're gonna revisit them Has it we only done this with Shyamalan's split so far

[00:02:25] Is that the only director we've covered Yeah and then Rogue One is sort of Star Wars was a Pre-director You know that's kind of a But that's the only one that's Happened so far right I guess so Come on guys I know well we have

[00:02:39] Glass will be coming out in 2018 No Glass is 2019 2018 we get We get another spiely A couple things We get another spiely Cause that guy's fucking working Working We get the Han Solo movie Right And I feel like there's one other thing Maybe that's coming I can't remember now

[00:02:55] Aquaman Swimming towards us Roller of the seas Maman Oh my man himself Nothing but respect for Maman Yeah Uh yeah It's funny how we've done Star Wars For Christmas Like you know Three years in a row on this show Tradition And for the fourth year of Christmas

[00:03:16] Will be Aquaman Cause there's no Star Wars that Christmas Yeah let's see I mean what So M Knight's cooking right now Yeah he's cooking Cammie's got you know Avatar 2 coming but God knows when Right Other Cammie's got nothing Seemingly Inactive Active development

[00:03:36] He's got a bag of chips on his lap He's got a bag of chips on his lap He's in a pop shop Wachowski's are sort of off the map right now And we need them now more than ever I really I agree I agree

[00:03:46] I still want that f**king Wachowski 4th World movie Uh yeah give it to me They'll never They'll never let them do They'll never get that And who's the other person We've uh Bigelow Yeah Bambam sort of Just released a film Yeah Well that's the thing we did

[00:04:02] We haven't had to follow up Because we just did Too many series where people Had movies that were coming out Roughly in the time Yeah that's true No one in Bigelow Lined it up Yes Come on Still let's get Let's get work in Well it's so stevey spillbush

[00:04:16] But this is Spillbush The most successful filmmaker of all time Yeah he makes movies Biggest blank check of all time What does he do he makes movies He picks a script He gets to make it Yeah And this is an example of

[00:04:25] He read a script in March of 2017 And said I want to make this Yep And we saw this film Nine months later November 20th That's right Yes we're recording this at the end of November We saw it early Humble Bragg David has now Has entered the circle

[00:04:40] The movie critic circle You're in the New York film critic circle Nice early screening Some of our friends were there and Roth Our clicker Plus number one and Roth was number there David Ehrlich David Ehrlich It was like in terms of fame Number one and Roth Number two

[00:04:54] Number two David Ehrlich Number three Jordan Hoffman Very kindly brought Helped bring Ben along He gave a plus one to producer Ben The producer Ben The producer Ben Dussert The poet laureate to the haze Mr. Positive Mr. Positive The peeper the tie breaker

[00:05:07] The poet laureate or finest film critic The fuckmaster not professor Crispy dirt bike Benny soak and wet Benny I like Graduates certain titles over the course of different mini series such as Kylo Ben producer Ben Kenobi Ben Aichamlon Ben Saybanything Aila Ben's with a dollar sign Warhaz

[00:05:24] And Ben 19 Ben 19 the final maker Oh, producer Ben Oh, producer Ben Oh yeah Nolan We don't know what he's up to either Yeah But I said he was another guy Where he had one We synced up We synced up maybe Anyway, so number one and Roth

[00:05:39] Number two or like number three Jay Hoffs Number four I guess Meryl Streep She's kind of on the up and up Rob Shear for another podcast He was there I don't know if you saw him I didn't see Rob You were in the bathroom I ran to Rob

[00:05:50] Number five Rob Shear Number six Like Fuck Odin Kirk Odin Kirk Was there Bob Odin Kirk Yeah, he was just doing He was doing five minutes God damn it That's what he was doing He was running up and down the house God damn it

[00:06:06] Now why would you want to do that? Ah, come on Number seven Tom Hanks I'm sick of this bit Who else was there? I don't know There was no, oh Matthew Reese was there There was a Q&A with Speely, Merrill, Tommy And Roth

[00:06:20] It really is funny where it was like Beautiful Bob Matthew Reese Do you think Anne Roth just lives Like New Orleans Concentre And Steven Spielberg was like Anne Screen number seven I think she lives in the Egyptian I love She lives in the popcorn machine

[00:06:36] I fucking love that The Lincoln Square AMC For those of you who don't live in here This is the only theater in New York That still does It's not new Numbers Each theater has like a theme And the like the gateway for that theater

[00:06:50] The sort of foyer you could say Is like themed around a different culture Yeah, yeah I mean, you know To some extent I don't know how much of an effort They made with all of them Right, but they don't go like

[00:07:02] Theater seven in the back to your left You're gonna be in the Egyptian Yeah, you're in the Olympic All right Well, I'm pretty sure I'm in a shitty movie theater But okay I mean that theater The main theater is nice One of the best theater Very nice theater

[00:07:15] In New York City Great screen The other screens at Lincoln Square Apart from the IMAX Which is obviously awesome But like the other screens Like a square kind of Okay, but I love that theater Nothing but respect for my theater My theater My man I was just recounting

[00:07:29] To somebody I'm Mr. Fansky, I think That I was I saw the first movie in that theater Ever screened Which was Star Trek Generations At my friend's 8th birthday party That was when that movie The theater opened 1994 Wow Or five whenever that is Wow Wow Wow

[00:07:48] Oh, Melissa Bias And you are here Mater, what are you doing? It's time to race cars All right So Stevie Spielberg Yes Made a movie called The Post He's sitting on his ass Farting out some special effects For fucking ready player one Long post production process Post What?

[00:08:06] Production process On ready player one Because that movie is predominantly Mocap footage Yeah, let's say he's pre-post Post ready player one Right At this point But he doesn't even know he's pre-post He's pre-pre-post He's mid-post He's mid-post He's pre-post But he's pre-post post Pre-pre-post We're recording this

[00:08:24] Post having seen the post But pre-post being unleashed On the culture But it's coming out post-post This will come out post-post This will come out on post-post It's gonna be post-post-post Yes Okay, good Glad that's all Let's mention that You know people That we're prosmiths and anti-bits

[00:08:38] Yes, we're prosmiths and anti-bits But also that You know people know That we saw this movie early Because Jordan Hoffman Sure Did some pre-post-post That's right He did some pre-post-post And I think I'm making a post-post He did a post-post Post-post pic Post-post pic Oh my god

[00:08:54] So Ben has informed us That we have to wrap this episode As quickly as possible We're on the clock So Stephen You know what though Short movie It's a short movie Because we were taking bets before And I was trying to do prices right rules

[00:09:07] Closest to that going over And I was like I'm gonna go 127 Like I was like It's gonna be a hair over two And they were like 155 Under two Well, well You sort of swapped your I'm sorry I was guessing 127 minutes I was guessing a clean Danny Boyle

[00:09:25] It's basically an hour 50 Yes I guessed one minute So I was right Okay, fuck you Alright The post He is in What? Belabor- Fuck you Ben Ben Hosley over here 10 minutes late He's in the belabored post Process Okay I could be late sometimes Very unprofessional Leon

[00:09:48] Don't you talk to my family like that I love how the The late period Spielberg movies Make us goofy No matter what It always I texted Ben Chastising him For being 10 minutes late Because I am never late to that part Never Griffin's never been late to anything

[00:10:04] Anything ever And I meant to write I am shocked and appalled by your unprofessionalism But it auto corrected to unprofessional Leon Who was America's new favorite character Unprofessional Leon He's my cousin He's sort of like a slow poke Like a poke-a-poke? Like a poke-a-poke? Oh no

[00:10:19] I was thinking Why are we this punchy? What's the name of the fast mouse from Looney Tunes Speedy Gonzalez Too soon Is he dead? 2018 Come on Oh you're just worried I'm worried he might die between now Or he'll be revealed to be like some kind of a

[00:10:34] God-dabbed sexual harasser Something Oh man Well that actually brings up a good point No one's been talking about the skunk character Pepe Lapu He's a creep Yeah he's a bit of a creep But this is like the thing that happens is Like Gawker reported on all these people

[00:10:50] For years and years Yeah they have lined out Stories were out there No but right But it takes the New York Times to take these people down Like they had fucking Tobac, Spy Magazine was ripping on him In the 80s All that Right

[00:11:03] But it took New York Times to come out with the most Tobacian of takedowns Do we really James Tobac It's a new year Let us turn the page I'm just saying Ronan Farrow get on Pepe Lapu Because it's all there Ronan Farrow go on Chapo

[00:11:19] And door blank check Did people want him to go on Chapo? No but I think it's just like a Twitter joke You know Like go on Chapo People say it to me too And I say fuck Chapo That's right 2018 You're at the feud With Chapo trap house

[00:11:33] I don't really know what you are But we're feuding Hold on, hold on Let's do like a character Alright I'll do I'll do my like secretary of defense impression This is my Rex Okay And this is my character's name It's unprofessional Liam Sir here's a box of poop

[00:11:49] Wait no no no Keep unprofessional Liam Because he's gonna be good for ads He's gonna be an ad care Unprofessional Liam He's no Dan Candyman But sometimes we gotta put Dan Candyman on the bench Gotta mix it up Oh because we're recording this month's advance Let's just like

[00:12:03] I'm gonna call a shot right now On the record Dan Candyman has taken over the world He's the youngest Dan Candyman fever They mean Dan Candyman happy meals Dan Candyman movie Sunday morning cartoon show Yeah he's got a late show too They bought the chairs Several front-kill pops

[00:12:18] They have a variant For each different type of flower We're recording this two days After Dan Candyman After the first one After Dan Candyman This is post Post Dan Candyman Post Candyman Now pre-Candyman hype When Spielberg gets this script It's pre-Candyman He's looking at Now it's post-Clive Barker's

[00:12:34] Candyman Correct But it's pre You know It's pre-Dan Candyman Yes They should remake Candyman With Dan Candyman With you Not with me with Dan Candyman You should wait watch it I'm not Dan Candyman Is Dan Candyman black? You saw him I wasn't in the room

[00:12:52] Yeah I think you were Oh canonically Canonically you're just quiet Alright Got the Dan Candyman mythos It's already getting complicated It's really really naughty Okay but this is nothing I want to say When Spieli did Tintin Which is also a mo-cap movie Sure sure sure

[00:13:08] He was working on it for a very long time And he Similarly Went and kinda quickly Did Warhorse Pick Warhorse up quickly Not as fast as this But said That movie is kind of on rails I can come in I can direct from like Skype or whatever

[00:13:20] Cause I'm just watching the dust I already shot the stuff I got the performances I want It's just finesse Ready Player One Lot of mo-cap That similar kind of state He's supposed to be first position Helping Warner Brothers make this movie

[00:13:32] He was the thing in his Q&A He was a little rueful Where he's like He's like I know I was a bad boy You know what I mean? Cause he was like I'm working on this movie Where I have to finish the effects

[00:13:40] And Warner Brothers who are very nice Yes Let me make another movie In the meantime He read a script by this woman Liz Hannah Liz Hannah Specscript I think she's 32 years old He said she was 31 years old 31 Geez She I believe she was like a writer's assistant

[00:13:56] Before this She has like one credit On an episode of a TV show called Guidance that I have never heard of Okay And like that's it Yeah, she had been a writer's I mean a pre-production intern A production intern Like rain over me Yeah Which hey

[00:14:12] Let's be honest Is top 15 Sandler 100% But she writes a spec script Inspired by the story of Washington Post Their decision to publish The Pentagon Papers Uh-huh And Speely reads it And he goes not only do I want to make this

[00:14:25] Not only do I think I have the time To make this now But I think this is a movie That needs to be made right now Yes, Spielberg Who at age How old is he now? 74 He is 70 Come on I need to be just give me the age

[00:14:39] Give me the fucking age I'm guessing 74 I'm guessing Speely 74 I'm usually pretty good with the ages 70 You're off He's only 70 City miles Exactly Uh, at age 70 I feel like Speely is still like You know what If I release the fucking movie about Press Freedom

[00:14:56] And this is in March Yeah So he's already seen where things are going Yes You know we're like Basically two months into Trump Right If I make a movie about like Press freedom standing up to the White House And it comes out in December

[00:15:07] It'll probably be a big hit Yeah Like that'll probably be like Right on the money Yes and women fighting against The glass Women who Right in positions of power Who are ignored by the men around them Right and everything that jumped out to him

[00:15:19] In terms of topicality with the script Has just Bloomed and exploded He was on the money Since then So he gets Josh Singer Academy Award winner For writing Spotlight Uh, to polish The script Uh-huh And uh, I think I assume he just fucking texted Marilyn Tom Yeah

[00:15:38] He goes into the Fox I mean they said that they first Read the script in May And they were shooting in June Marilyn literally was like Yeah, I read it in May I shot for six weeks Yeah And uh, here I am Like, you know

[00:15:49] They were shooting at the same time We were shooting the tip Yeah You guys overlap? No but I remember the drivers Being like I'm on this fucking job I wanna be working with Tom Nicest guy in the fucking business There you go He'll tip you every fucking ride

[00:16:02] And I was like Okay, well come on I'm not making Tom Hanks money Don't shame me That's kind of a That's a little hint Yeah Yeah, that's what it felt like Greases the palms I'm like okay But I'm getting taxed really hard here

[00:16:13] He always has a Christmas turkey Under each arm Yeah, they say it was great They said that guy fucking Loves being Tom Hanks Well Which I thought was a great description That is a good description And he does seem to love being Tom Hanks

[00:16:23] He loves being Tom Hanks He also loves typewriters Oh, guy loves typewriters And talking about pomegranates Well let's get to that Okay, that's like half an hour Of this whole episode It's gonna be that So we'll get to that Um, but yes He gets two of the most

[00:16:35] Inclaimed famous actors Alive Correct Uh, signs him up Puts together a fucking Stack supporting cast Rife with GGs Gryffs guys Oh, okay Yes, no it's a real dad movie Yes And Meryl Streep is Queen Dad Yes But it's just a movie of dads Dad's central Yes

[00:16:55] And I think Tom Hanks is peak mom I think moms don't like a movie Star more than Tom Hanks Oh sure, sure, sure Yeah, I get what you're saying I'm overhearing some story About someone going to see a movie With their mom

[00:17:05] And the Larry Crown trailer came up And the mom turned and said He just gets better with age And I just love the idea of seeing The Larry Crown trailer And being like Oh my fucking god Tom Hanks Oh, Malaney had Start your engines

[00:17:19] Malaney had an old joke About Larry Crown Where he's like The director's commentary Is just my mother Like throughout going Oh that's nice I did Go to the bathroom Between when the movie Ended when the Q&A started Oh yeah it did And I came back

[00:17:35] I mean rabid Manic Sure And said David I just saw Tom Hanks Oh right because they hadn't Emerged for the Q&A yet No, no The minute the credits rolled You ran out of there I had to pee but I wanted to hear the Q&A

[00:17:47] He was being escorted Through the main sort of Lobby area Yeah by Anne Roth of course By Anne Roth There is Lord High Executioner Of the AMC Lincoln Square No jokes By an AMC employee In a Jumanji shirt Welcome to the jungle mother fuckers

[00:18:01] He welcomed to the jungle by the way Tom Hanks And Tom Hanks was drinking a Tom Grenadiers A slushie Oh blue green It looks blue but it was fast He was moving fast Okay But he looked phenomenal I came back and I just said

[00:18:18] Guys he looks so good Oh yeah he looked good He had nice black jeans He looked great Yeah He had a really great sweater Everyone looked great Collar shirt tucked in no tie A collar fully tucked into the sweater Yeah Meryl had this very nice looking outfit

[00:18:34] I mean you know they're far away Like you know they're all sitting on stage Meryl's glasses game She crushes Incredible Spielberg had as usual like Six scarves and two flat caps Right They had the old film twitter meme About wearing everything your wife bought

[00:18:47] You for Christmas at once Right Speely I love him Amy Pascal wasn't there She was in LA Yeah She used it They got this movie up on Meryl's Really really fast Posted it really fast Apparently John Williams Finished writing the score Like six days ago Yeah like yesterday

[00:19:06] And they like threw the score on And did we went to the first screening There were two screens By the way finished writing the screen You mean fell asleep on his keyboard Yes There's a weird section of the movie Where for 20 minutes it's just Ah And then it's

[00:19:21] He accidentally hits the demo button And Venus starts playing That was the demo on my keyboard Your Venus That that Yeah he probably just gets a perfunctory Nomination for this They always nominate him You know they used to But they kind of stopped Have they dropped off

[00:19:38] Yeah so I feel like he won't I mean it's also I don't even think it's a terrible score I should listen to it again It's a very muted score And like for A lot of the movie there is no music You know a lot of the movies

[00:19:49] Very very light on the music So Now we had seen a trailer For this movie It came out fairly recently Yeah I mean this movie was Underlocking key Cause like we saw probably Saw the trailer for like a week Before we saw the movie

[00:19:59] Like maybe a week and a half Like yeah so And the blankies took to reddit And said It looks kind of A perfunctory this and that But like my argument was Fucking bridge of spies Like same thing I saw that trailer Like this looks like fucking homework

[00:20:11] And I sat there I faced the bridge And the bridge Fucking ruled me Standing man Standing man Would it help? Johnny Williams He did get the force awakens Oscar nom But that was good That's a good score Cause I slammed that score In our first force awakens Episode

[00:20:29] I know I was wrong as shit I think that's some fucking Strong themes in that one He did get nominated for the book thief In 2013 That's what I'm saying Like that kinda shit But that's four years ago So you know You know I mean

[00:20:40] But like that was pretty Pretty that was something The book thief But I was going like Okay they probably made it look Like a really Kind of boilerplate dad movie And instead it's gonna be Like a very rousing bridge By his dad movie

[00:20:54] But this movie was very different Than what I expected to be Cinematically Because cinematically This movie is closer to Like in terms of his technical Style I would argue is closer to Munich Than anything else he's done Certainly in the look And he's sort of emulating

[00:21:11] The 70s political thrillers His graze It's very Like very handheld Which Spelig movies rarely are It's sort of long Handheld shots with a lot of urgency It's like a very fast moving camera Like there are these sequences Where they're going around In the newsroom and it feels like

[00:21:26] Like someone's got a fucking work out You're right It's not quite as stately as Say Bridgespiser Lincoln But it has the same It's also not like Danny Boyle Flashy where he's like Showing you the shot inside The camel pack Not Anthony Dodd mental with

[00:21:39] Like a fucking camera on his backpack Like running around But it is It's a very urgent movie And it's a very like vital movie It's not stodgy at all It's short It's snappy It is pretty snappy I would say not stodgy But it

[00:21:51] No it has a sort of A careful approach in its first Half hour Where it's kind of like A lot of scenes of like K-Gram at a party Yes Bradley having lunch with her It's also It's very muted emotionally It's not a big outburst movie

[00:22:05] It's about people doing their jobs But then when the outbursts come Well There's a moment in this That we will get to That I think is one of the most Intelligent underplayings Of a scene I have ever seen For sure It's like stunning We were like a guest

[00:22:22] It led to applause in the audience Because it was just like Oh how do you have the confidence To so deftly play against All the natural inclinations Of making this into an Oscar moment Which this movie like avoids All the big rousing like Oscar, catharsis, monologue, triumph

[00:22:39] Like it's just a movie about people Like doing the work Just like that And that's why it's a process movie Much like Bridgespies and Lincoln And Spotlight And you know which is The thing that's going to get compared to a lot Spotlight even has the big

[00:22:54] Fucking Ruffalo monologue Which for me is the moment that movie swings too bit I think that monologue is fine But I get why people don't like it I just know so many journalists who behave that way So it always rang really true for me

[00:23:07] Journalists think they're that important And sometimes they are Anyway But yes People don't like that scene That's like is that my daughter In their scene of Spotlight Right They knew Yes But it's interesting cause like Okay we're recording this at the end of November

[00:23:25] Ben's getting in the order in some scenes I gotta get lunch alright Okay I look over to see how much I blew the mics out He's fucking getting a pokeball or something Are you getting a pokeball? Think about it Maybe ramen I don't know Yeah who knows

[00:23:41] Who fucking knows Anyway so this movie is about a ramen chef Played by Tom Hanks That would be cool Spielberg you know about like profession A ramen dramedy A ramen-y That's a new genre A ram-drom You know cause you know you gotta get the right kind of broth

[00:24:01] You know like He fucked up me to say that Hey Ben is forcibly shoving He shoved me to tell me that you've got to get the right kind of broth Which wasn't something I was really going to dispute We recorded episode

[00:24:16] Late last night and we were totally fine We were really locked in We had guests Yes Who we didn't know very well So I think we were trying to be like professional But we hit it off with them And I think it was a really good episode

[00:24:26] They slotted right in That's coming you'll hear that in a few weeks But um And then today we're just like Maniacs The pose And this film could legitimately threaten Like certainly feels like a film that could win a best picture Like this film you know

[00:24:42] This feels like one of the big movies of 2017 You are hotter on this movie than I was You came out with a capital G great Yeah definitely I said it's very good And you went come on And I said I think it's very good I was like Griffin

[00:24:53] Yeah you did You said Griffin And a lot of our friends Erlich Hoffman Were like that's capital G great So I was a little more muted on it I think Ben you were closer to me We were both like really good solid flick I thought it was awesome

[00:25:07] Yeah Uh huh But I mean here's the thing Like we're recording this now at the end of November The movie doesn't come out in a limited release until Wait are we recording this at the end of November We're recording the stand-up now He's a fucking troll over here

[00:25:22] Are you gonna push me about broth again Gotta get a good run Go on Chapo Bone broth baby Ben go on Bob Rahman Whatever I don't care Nope come on Ramo trap house By the way we should mention it I'm sure we never referenced Chapo trap house

[00:25:40] On this fucking podcast Let's go ahead Let's flip our cards over That's the podcast we've been feuding with I know we made these illusions to the podcast Yeah I guess for sure We looked it out We definitely began with a C Anyway

[00:25:51] Chapo trap house has been stealing our bits Uh huh Yeah that's why they did that whole Catherine Bigelow mini series Right after the Nolan Mason Right after this Bill Brickman series Alright go on go on What were you gonna say about your

[00:26:01] Have you, do you feel any different Or this movie's not coming out for a month I wanna state something that I haven't said yet In this podcast We're recording this at the end of November Ben seems to be closing in on a chicken bowl Congratulations Ben Thank you

[00:26:14] Thank you so much Um this movie doesn't even come out Limited release until a month from now Until the 22nd I believe Right So it's gonna go wide after we come out I think it's going wide on like January 12th Right like the second week of January

[00:26:26] And then the Oscar nominations will come out Uh around then It's end of January I would imagine Right Maybe first week of Feb because it's The Oscars are first week of March I think usually in the January 20s The early 20s You know we got the Olympics

[00:26:37] Oscars are usually now end of February Oh because the Olympics is gonna be March now No the Olympics are pushed into First week of March And then maybe the nominations will be early Feb this year But the point is we're recording this

[00:26:46] Uh with no context as to how this movie is gonna play But also this is a movie whose power Could be greatly affected by the events of the world Sure You know You're saying like really even within that window Yeah within that window

[00:26:59] There could be seismic shifts in the relationship Between the press Let's hope And our administration Let's hope I'm kidding you guys are not working But it's like if things get better This movie could gain power If things get worse this movie could gain power You know

[00:27:12] We're at a point where like Either direction the pendulum swings Swings In terms of the relationship between Journalism You know And our government Is going to only Strengthen this film And I think we are at a point as we were saying I mean we're making the joke facetiously

[00:27:31] But like People say like well newspapers don't really have any power Any more blogs this or that But you look at it and it's like All these guys are only actually getting outed When the New York Times writes about them It doesn't matter if these stories

[00:27:42] Existed in the ether for a long time Like the last couple months have really Proven how much power Certain outlets still have In terms of like Lending an air of legitimacy to a story Yeah Which is what this movie's about

[00:27:55] What it means if this paper puts their name And their weight behind publishing these papers Right With literally a threat of imprisonment Sort of like dangling over their heads From the White House Right In a time period where the internet doesn't exist

[00:28:09] And if papers don't publish there's no way These things are going to get out They're not going to leak They're not going to Wiki leak That's true They don't have Twitter Right Yet Yet But they're the only guard In between Sure You know the powers that be

[00:28:25] And the people Yes So this movie starts in now It does Fucking CCR Starts playing And I was like I got a little worried from the gag At least it wasn't Fortunate Son I forget what song it is But still I was like It's the Dive Manor

[00:28:41] Dive Manor Dive Manor Dive Manor Dive Manor What's that song called? It's called Matthew Reese Paints His Face Yes But you hear like helicopters Sure it's just And you're just like Fuck, is he whiffing on this? A little bit A little bit Like immediately

[00:28:58] For a second you're like Fuck But then you remember It's Steven Spielberg Every movie he makes Has too much paprika Right at the beginning It's like he spills all the paprika And then he like wipes it away really fast Steve's weird cause he only puts

[00:29:10] Paprika on the bread of the sandwich Yeah, on the outside Yes It's a little dip And so like if you looked at the top Of the sandwich you'd be like Fuck this is gonna be a nightmare And then you get in And the meat is perfectly seasoned

[00:29:22] Delicious vegetables Farm fresh Great pastrami and vegetables The classic sandwich Yes, a nice slice of Gruyere So Yeah, you got Nam Elsberg, Danny Elsberg Our bud, Daniel Elsberg Played by a very haunted looking Matthew Reeves He's fucking excels at haunted Matthew Reeves is king of haunted

[00:29:44] Which is funny cause he's obviously like In real life this happy go lucky Welsh guy Right Who has a whole show on British TV About drinking wine with Matthew Goode Does he really? Yes, oh you don't know about this? Oh my friend you are in for a treat

[00:29:58] Is it called a good wine? It's called I believe Fuck It's just called the wine show It should be called good wine with an E That would be good Yeah, it should be The show should be they have to pair wine With Reese's products

[00:30:16] Here's a picture of them drinking some wine I mean that looks lovely Yes, it's fucking lovely He's sniffing the glass Like a pro You gotta sniff the glass You gotta get that nose going Yes, he's got a resting haunted face Yes he does

[00:30:31] And when he did the Q&A afterwards He speaks to his Welsh accent There's something like so The Welsh accent It's not to stereotype It's very sing-songy Very melodic I was gonna say But like he has this like his American accent Which is impeccable It is

[00:30:44] You never know Also is like very grave Like the way he speaks an American accent His hair is like His hairline is slightly receded He's got a fascinating hairline He's got this big forehead He's got these sort of sunken eyes

[00:30:56] And yeah, so he always just kind of looks Like even in fucking like Yeah What's like a kids movie he was in that I saw Like I don't know He just always looks Is that a kids movie? I could have sworn he was in some kids movie

[00:31:06] Is it Mr. Popper's Penguin? Yes That's what it was The fucker in Mr. Popper's Penguin? Oh fuck, what was it? Oh no, no, you know what It was a British TV miniseries That aired on A&E in America Yeah Based on the Arthur Conan Doyle

[00:31:24] Novel The Lost World Oh, okay Starring We love him We respect him He's our president Mr. Bob Hoskins Oh Yeah, there you go All right, okay Do you know that Noah Baumbach was supposed to write And direct Mr. Popper's Penguin? No He was formally announced He was like

[00:31:44] I finally want to make a movie my kids can see Uh-huh And then they were like What the fuck is this script? Yeah, what I can't imagine what he submitted Because I mean Stiller was supposed to do it Stiller signed on The children's book I assume is

[00:31:56] Pretty light on detail So he can kind of go wherever he wanted with it, right? Apparently his movie is mostly about sports management That sounds terrible Yeah, but Stiller was supposed to do it And Stiller was like You know, it's this thing

[00:32:06] I make fun of Baumbach for every scene Like he just announced his new movie It's like Scar Joe And Ben Stiller maybe Or Adam Driver's in it And like the plot synopsis Is like a family struggles with a divorce And it's like great, fine

[00:32:16] That's what you should do Yeah, that's what you did Movie's about divorce That is what you do Right It doesn't track as well When a man is divorcing a penguin Let alone many penguins And fighting over like the house in Poughkeepsie Or whatever

[00:32:30] Anyway, so we start out in Haunted Matthew Reyes 33 minutes And we are one minute into the movie Yeah We have like an hour Until we're literally getting pushed out of this studio We have process from the get-go Because we have this sort of scene Of Ellsberg conducting

[00:32:48] Helping conduct this study For the Rant Corporation In Vietnam He reports to Bob McNamara Who was the secretary of the fucking defense At the time Played by a delicious Bruce Greenwood A plus Bruce Greenwood Who is soon going to play every single member Of the Kennedy cabinet

[00:33:04] Because he already fucking played Kennedy Like he's got it He's played both JFK and Bobby I think he's played Bobby and Kennedy I think he played JFK in something He played JFK in 13 days Right I think he played Bobby in something He's got that patrician look Yes

[00:33:21] Let me see I'm just gonna Talk about a guy who by the way Is aging well Like Bruce Greenwood at 61 Has never looked better You can imagine like 25 year old Bruce Greenwood Is like all these heart throbs Better looking than me

[00:33:35] I'm never going to get the leading man parts And like Bruce Greenwood Has become like a surprise sex symbol Sure He's aged better than most actors of his generation I guess now he's only ever played John F. Jack Kennedy But you know He should play Bobby Kennedy

[00:33:49] He's getting old So I guess it's hard And he was the president in Kingsman The movie we talk about every episode Kingsman, the Golden Circle Exactly I'd love to see him play C. Douglas Dillon The secretary of the treasury Sir Halderman Yeah, well that's Nixon But yes

[00:34:03] I'll go right right Anyway We see him He summons Ellsberg Sure And he's like What's this Come on give it to me straight How's it going in Vietnam And he's like No it's a I think he has a great line Where he sort of stands there

[00:34:16] And you know you can tell Like a lot rests on what he says And he's like What surprises me is how much it stayed the same Yes that's the thing Right he's on the plane And they're trying to settle an argument Right it was like

[00:34:26] He's worse is it better And he's like really it's the same McNamara is like See what am I fucking telling you Same is worse You know we're pouring troops in It's no different Right I forgot about that scene That's a really good scene I think it's a

[00:34:37] Yeah and then Yeah exactly I think it's a great scene Because it's also laying out This little sort of like D-plot Which is like The burden of guilt The burden of guilt that McNamara held For the rest of his life

[00:34:48] But this movie is moving like a bullet train Like we're maybe like two and a half minutes into Sure yeah And by minute four They're like Photocopy in the papers Yeah he then so right Then Christ of Confidence Conscience or Ellsberg's Photocopy's the Pentagon report Takes it out

[00:35:04] Sneaks it out They cut off the top secret They photocopy it But like this is like He's shooting this stuff The same way he's shooting The Vietnam stuff at the beginning Sure But this movie is just very forceful Yeah You know Really really elegant Unshoey But like

[00:35:21] Every moment's fucking cinematic There are some of the most cinematic Like the scene that's closest To an action sequence in this movie Is Bob Odin Kirk struggling to find The loose change to make a Phone call on payphone The changes on the payphone

[00:35:35] He like knocks it all out Yeah Oh it's so good And he shoots it like It's a fucking parallax I know he's like practically On like a swivel Oh it's so good Okay so we're like Yes Alright fine so cut to K Graham Meryl Streep

[00:35:50] And Katherine Graham publisher The Washington Post Taken the company public Eris to the family Sure Yeah The daughter of The Graham Scion I forget his name Who had left the paper to her husband Even though she was You know She was Bill Graham's daughter

[00:36:06] Well her umph, her umph A woman cannot run the paper Right so he leaves it to her husband Her husband Was this famous sort of Washington Player Who killed himself And obviously suffered from depression But that's all in the past But they're hobnobbers They're friends with the Kennedys

[00:36:21] They're friends with The Johnson's Friends with McNamara So she has an interesting relationship Because she is very close With all the people That are stensibly supposed to be Writing about Yes and so But they're going public To get some solvency For their little paper

[00:36:37] The movie even doesn't hit it Hard enough how little The post was It was just like a local paper I mean they hit it pretty hard I guess But Meryl Streep pointed out In the Q&A They don't mention it There were like other Washington papers

[00:36:49] Right there were like six other papers No one thinks of that anymore That they were like competing But she's got her buddy Fritz Who's played by the great Tracy Letts He's so good And she's like got her like bullet points Of the speech she wants to give

[00:37:02] Oh because that's what we see first Is her practicing the speech In her office Yes And saying like is this forceful enough This and that And she's going to the meeting Where she's making the case Right For going public And what they're asking price

[00:37:14] Their initial offering is going to be And all that sort of stuff And they get in there and immediately She's just being Dismissed by everyone Just by their fucking eyes You know before anyone says anything I think he Look he hits the hammer on the head

[00:37:28] The hammer, the nail on the head He also does the hammer Over and over But I love all those shots of her Sort of swamped by men Yes Just a sea of old white guys Yeah, old gray man And she because she was Again this movie doesn't know

[00:37:42] What this was She was the first ever female CEO of a Fortune 500 company Which is crazy Yeah Because we're now in 1971 And yeah and she right But I love that early scene And like Merrill said at the Q&A How she read her autobiography

[00:37:56] And I think her autobiography Is a lot about how timid she was Like she reflects on her own timidity Like until later Until you know Until she'd been at the post For a few years And then she steps up And starts saying her bullet points

[00:38:09] Because he can tell that she's too sort of Nervous at the moment Helps her out They share a kind of Kind warm look And it's clear that this guy Is sort of the one guy that has Her back in this upper echelon In these boardrooms

[00:38:23] But still he has to do You know this sort of assertion For her Yes And like you know I love the way Merrill plays it Where it's like right There's not resentment per se But it is sort of like A sad fact I guess of

[00:38:37] How she has to exist in the public space Right but she's a blue blood And she's all about legitimacy And her whole stance is Improve quality, improve profits Yeah her whole stance is right It's good to pour money into good reporting Because that'll boost the papers

[00:38:53] Which is a hard sale Like she's just saying We have to get as intelligent And respectable as possible And that will pay us back later But they sign off on going public Grudgingly That means the banks have this like window Where something crazy happens

[00:39:06] They can pull out of the deal That's all laid out there Cut to brim brad Right like Because the timespan of this movie Is about a week Yeah it's pretty tight The bulk of the movie takes place Over like 12 hours It's great Yeah Because again

[00:39:22] I didn't know anything going in Obviously we had seen The trailer But even the trailer is really vague And I was like Is this gonna be like A Watergate epic type thing Where it starts with the pentagon Papers and it goes to the Watergate

[00:39:32] Because it's about the Washington Post Right You know it could cover years Yes But Spielberg he loves that narrow window Yes He loves the same with Lincoln Like let's look a little No no no let's just look at a little bit And let's say Nixon's a big presence

[00:39:43] In this movie But the way he depicts Nixon It's pretty good Is we get these sort of Weird creepy zoom lens shots Of him in the Oval Office That very voyeuristic Right yeah That Nixon from behind on On the phone On the phone In the Oval Office

[00:40:00] A guy who's doing a lot of backding A lot of gesticulating Yeah he's doing a lot of pointing to the table Yes A lot of finger on the table But they use It's like a lot like when Ben Wants to tell you about broth Yeah

[00:40:14] Another full force shove From Ben Hosley But he's using yes He's using the real Nixon record Right he said he went through all Of the Nixon recordings available And found the ones that he thought Were most relevant to The points in the film I bet you

[00:40:26] Like that's why he agreed To do this whole movie That's such a dad project Where like Spielberg's like Listen to the Nixon tape That's a fun march Cause you know he comes up You know Spielberg emerges in the Post-Nixon era Right around then

[00:40:40] I'm sure it was very formative To him as a stoned teenager Whatever the fuck he was in 1971 Yes But He was like 25 I think Yeah he was like four years away From making Jaws He made Jaws when he was like 26 And it was ridiculous

[00:40:56] But he was already like Directing like fucking nightgowns He was already like directing Like the final performance of fucking Like It was a Who is it? What's up mommy dearest Shit Joan Crawford Is that who it is? Joan Crawford He directed a nightgowns episode It's a nightgown right

[00:41:12] That was her last screen appearance Ever and you see the picture Where he's like grasping her Hands and like bowing to her And he's like 18 Tom Hanks also noted Slightly creepily that He was there on the last day Of Kate Graham's life Where he was like yeah

[00:41:25] I met her in Idaho And then she died Yeah she got in a car And she died six hours later And I was like okay Tommy You've been trying to absolve yourself So I met her and then later I wasn't there And I was with other people

[00:41:39] Did you serve her dinner as well Did anyone check that? Anyway Ben Bradley Yes Played by Tom Hanks Tommy boy What you do And It's a line from Tommy boy David At the moment We see Tom Hanks in sort of like A boys club kind of Room

[00:42:00] That's his introduction Yeah no I know yeah Smoking a cigar His introduction is their lunch You know his lunch with Kate Graham And as Meryl pointed out In the Q&A we're on a first name basis With Meryl cause we started doing Q&A She's Meryl baby

[00:42:12] As Meryl pointed out in the Q&A She thought that was a really telling scene That she She has to treat him like a superior Even though she is his superior She's the boss She has to meet him at his place In his grounds Cause they're right

[00:42:25] Cause they're talking about Oh the Nixon You know Richard Nixon's daughter Got married at the White House How are we gonna cover this How are we gonna cover this They banned this reporter you have Who is kind of mean about the Nixon So that's why it's happening

[00:42:36] She's sort of like gently trying to be like It's the style section Couldn't we get someone else And eventually he's like Don't put your finger in my eye Kate You know he like he sort of shuts her down With this like kind of snappy line

[00:42:49] And rather than push back She kind of is like Okay No I know You know it's sort of like tries to sidetrack Or you know At the moment Such a good scene Yeah the shot where we see Tom Hanks Sitting at this table Smoking the cigar

[00:43:02] Waiting for Kate to arrive David tapped me on the shoulder And went that's Tom Hanks Yeah great bit by me That's Chappy But God I mean I've said it before I'll say it again This fits into the Tom Hanks Like my favorite era of Tom Hanks

[00:43:18] Which is just men who are good at their job Yes for sure I mean Ben Bradley is a little more of like It's a different variation More of a garrulous guy Than say you're Mr. Bridgespies But still Or Sully Right because Ben Bradley has more of an ego

[00:43:33] And he has the reputation He wants to maintain He wants to be a Tom Hanks Ben Bradley landed a plane on the Hudson Like he would be like Check that fucking shit out that I just did You know he'd be into it Right He wouldn't be like Sully

[00:43:44] Where he's like everyone off the plane Yeah yeah Yes But he is He's a guy who becomes clear Is just about the work Even though there's a lot of show boating In his whole behavioral For sure Well and also right

[00:43:56] And he has this huge ship on his shoulder Because the post is this inferior product Yes In everyone's eyes To real paper like the New York Times Yeah And soon enough the Times Because there were some complaints That people were like the post

[00:44:07] I mean the Times actually broke the Pentagon papers Yes Is this gonna overlook that But no the Times are like That's like where he wants it Right It's like the golden you know arches And the Times Who wants to get some McDonald's Right And they're Mac doodles Exactly

[00:44:22] Yeah That's the name of the thing From coming to America right Did I fuck that up McDowell's That's what it is God damn it It's McDowell's I was close whatever Yeah We'll fix it in post We'll fix it in post Ben cut this whole episode up

[00:44:37] The beginning of the movie New York Times gets a lot of play Right And I love I mean this is when I was getting Because I was like Fuck There's a kid they send on a train Which he came on screen I went like Jesus Christ

[00:44:50] How did I not get the fucking audition Oh shit seriously But no there's two kids Because there's the first kid In the Times Uh huh Who's passing the real package Right Yes And we follow him Like through the building And then there's the second kid The intern Yes

[00:45:07] Who Bradley sends up to Snoop on the Times Yes And I love it when he arrives And he like looks up at the office And all the news that's with the print You didn't get either of those roles They're both played by Mel Gibson

[00:45:17] No they're both played by Griffin Newman Types Yeah they are Let's call it as we see it Look Your quote's too high for that role I also was filming too much at that time I had negative free time That's true Um But uh

[00:45:33] Yes he has them sort of spying on the New York Times Trying to figure out What they could do And there's a moment I love Where the kid gets back to the office And he goes I saw the front page Because he peeped it in the elevator

[00:45:43] He peeps the front page And he draws a picture of what the front page looks like Right but there's a blank space Where it's just like Neil Where Neil's story is gonna go Yes And Brad's like fuck Like I don't know if he says fuck

[00:45:54] Yeah but he knows He's like they got something amazing Yeah and we get a little taste of Michael Stolberg Stolberg Fuck that damn it Is A. Brosenthal who was the executive editor at the time Yeah And uh And he's friends with K. Graham too

[00:46:09] You know they're all both The Times at the time Exactly Post-Post Yes But in a pre-the-post time Well pre the movie the post Right they're mid post pre post But it's mid post the paper Right Alright let's wrap this up Yeah that's it Alright good movie

[00:46:26] Four and a half stars Yeah so we see the competition That's spying on him Like a couple scenes later He's hobnob him with K. Graham at a party You know Yeah totally They're friends But you know They all think of K as like This nice hostess lady

[00:46:38] Right oh it's real shame What happened to her husband Now she's stuck with this company She never asked her She never She doesn't know how to do this And Bradley Wittford is playing Arthur Parsons Who's like sort of her financial advisor type Like a guy on the board

[00:46:50] Yeah Who's sort of like K I don't think we should be like doing anything Yeah Like Yeah in a weird turn of events Students of our cast Bradley Wittford to be irritable K what What are you doing here I adore Bradley Wittford But it's true

[00:47:09] That man is like The king of irritable You once told me that You think I'm gonna age into Bradley Wittford Which is like kind of my dream career I think you have the hair I think of the face Yes Like this sort of body type

[00:47:20] I think you're just You're Bradley Wittford waiting to happen Bottle the irritability Cause like how old was Bradley Wittford When the West Wing happened Like Well what I'm looking for Is my Bradley Wittford and Billy Madison He was 30 Okay He was 30 in the West Wing Yeah he looks 38

[00:47:34] Jesus Christ I have two years to get to the West Wing Sorry Jesus fucking Christ I just love how he's the hottie in the West Wing Even though Sam Seaborn is a robber I guess is the real hottie Is he 30 in the West Wing Born in 1959 Oh no

[00:47:50] Thank you I did the math wrong He was 40 Yeah thank you Okay there we go So he's like 30 something in Billy Madison Yes He's like 33 or 4 I got 5 years to get to Billy Madison Okay cool This movie has a stack supporting cast

[00:48:07] And I went into it being like There's gotta be some Supporting nominee in this film I don't think so Odin Kirk is the biggest And even he I think is a little too small Cause it's the It's the Meryl Show This is the Meryl Show

[00:48:18] In a way I respect Even Hanks is like It's a very unshoey character No he's deferring to her Right He's got a voice that he's doing And he swears a little But like now Everyone's just doing really solid work in this movie But it's not a movie that

[00:48:30] Serves up big Oscar movies Cruz is the arc Yes And everyone else is sort of Right he's like little guys Right and as we've said The artistry of Meryl Streep's performance In this is that she plays against All the Oscar performance instincts That anyone else would have

[00:48:43] She knows what she's doing She knows what she's doing You'd be insane to her to win a fourth Oscar But she should have won her third Oscar for this Not the fucking Iron Lady Interesting I hate the Iron Lady I do too I think she won the

[00:49:01] Iron Lady Oscar for how good Dead Boy's product Well yeah But also the From Margaret Thatcher I think is Whatever I think all the older Scenile dementia stuff is very well done She's fine in the movie From an acting standpoint I hate the movie That movie sucks

[00:49:20] There's no way she should have won She beat Viola Davis It was like close to Like one of the worst decisions they ever made Oh I think she should have won for adaptation I think that's like Yeah she's awesome in there Her old Meryl performance Yeah But whatever

[00:49:31] Whatever Who won for that Catherine Tida Jones Yeah I thought Meryl was gonna win That year She did Catherine Tida Jones won Catherine Tida Jones won Whatever Anyway Movie keeps on truck Yeah trucks away Right Oh early on Early on because they had announced the cast

[00:49:49] And both David Cross and Bob Odin Kirk were in it And I was like If fucking Speely has Bob and David And he doesn't put him in the same scene I'm gonna like flip my lid And then early in the movie

[00:50:00] Like the first time we go to the office Of the post You hear Cross's voice It's a distinctive voice Right and so hurried sort of like Yeah he's yelling at Charlie Hand held, shot going through the office Right and it was ironic They didn't get it

[00:50:15] He was doing a bit Jesus fucking Christ Bob Odin Kirk Sorry David Cross with a really good comb over wig Great He looks amazing I think he's wearing a fake nose You're telling me that's his real nose In which case what happened

[00:50:32] I think that's the aging process baby That monologue I don't want to get old Wahlberg gives in the happening Remember where he's talking to the kid who's so good looking And he goes But the thing is When you get older

[00:50:42] Every year your nose and your ears get better I think about that monologue a lot Okay He's like so if you have perfect features at 17 You're gonna be worse off at 24 Than someone who hasn't grown into their face Right Odin Kirk's got Fucking Cross has a big nose

[00:50:55] But Odin Kirk walks into an office Why am I fucking doing this? Cross walks into an office right next to Odin Kirk And we get a two shot of the two of them And Ben and I high fived and I was really happy Right

[00:51:06] Odin Kirk crosses Cross to get into Get into a post office Pre-post Pre-post There's a cross cross There's a cross cross But not a double cross A single cross by cross No but what we do learn is The Times has the fucking Pentagon Papers Okay let's move along

[00:51:21] So they have the Pentagon Papers And Bradley's mad about it Yes So he wants There you go He's sniffing He's sniffing he's got nothing He goes to K though And he just lets her know his intent He lets her know his intent But he's also like

[00:51:33] You're friends with Bob McNamara He commissioned this study Number one Like there you know I feel like both he and Kay Throughout this movie You're kind of wrestling with like You know we're the press Like we're the fourth estate Like we're supposed to be

[00:51:46] The people who sort of Examine the shit that's happening Like this Vietnam war has been going on For ten plus years Yeah And with no sign of progress Sure And like what have we been doing Like not calling these people Who were close to out on this

[00:52:02] What have we been doing Being so cozy with them And he's saying to her Like Bob McNamara is fucking embarrassed Right now and you gotta call him out And she's like Well I would never He's a friend Yeah But they're both wrestling With the same thing

[00:52:15] And maybe in different ways But he's also saying Like hey Bob Do you want to have The Pentagon Papers Can you give me Yes Where's the movie going next After this Well it basically like It picks up the I mean Odin Kirk's character Who is um Oh right

[00:52:30] Paul Bedakian Or Bedakian I forget how you say his name Very famous journalist Right He starts He knows a guy Who he thinks might have Leaked it He has an idea Like Ellsberg This guy at the Rand Corporation Who he worked with

[00:52:44] Who was always a bit of long hair Yeah You know a bit of a hippie Yes So he starts sniffing at that And I guess meanwhile Yeah you just sort of Have Bradley and K Graham Going at it right Like Right but then we also have

[00:52:56] We have a hippie girl By Sasha Spielberg I mean what a name What a performance I don't know Uh Yeah she drops a box off on Michael Cyril Craig Michael Cyril Craig One of my favorite fucking Desk And I was like Oh he's gonna be in this story

[00:53:10] He's gonna be in this movie And instead it's like His whole job is He delivers the box to Bradley Right First he comes in the front door And Bradley's like No Yeah No He goes around to the managing editor Like cause he kind of meekly Goes like strives

[00:53:23] Something you might want to see And Bradley's like Get the fuck out of here And then we have this Uncontinuous camera move It's very fun Following him Where he goes to the other office And tells him And he has to go in And then Bradley listens Yeah

[00:53:36] It's a good moment It is But yeah So they are getting The Pentagon Papers too But not enough And then right now I'm like where do you get these And they're like some girl Yes Like what do you mean Left on my desk But then the important thing

[00:53:49] Is like the The Justice Department sues The times And then joins them from Releasing this shit No more Pentagon paper stories Yes Or else you'll be in contempt of court Right So that's looming now too Right so they start getting Their legal team in Right

[00:54:07] Well no no no That comes in later At this point is when Odin Kirk gets the papers Yes He meets with Ellsberg In the hotel room There's that great Spielberg Face shot Of him looking at the papers And then he cut to The beds are strewn

[00:54:19] With these like piles There's also I was saying He shoots a lot of this movie Like a 70s political thriller But There are sequences I think that mostly come into moments Of great sort of moral conflict For people There's another sequence Or merrells on the phone

[00:54:33] Trying to make a big decision Sure This moment with Odin Kirk In the hotel room Trying to decide what to do Where suddenly the film gets like Very like Like German expressionist Like it starts looking Like Knight of the Hunter Yeah yeah Like he has this Spielberg

[00:54:46] He starts doing crazy shadows On the walls And these crazy angles And you're right Cause like in that scene That's when Ellsberg is saying To the Odin Kirk character Like Well Because Odin Kirk was like We could go to jail And he's like What? Isn't that the point?

[00:55:00] Like you go to jail To stop the Vietnam war Right? And he's like Yeah, in theory Like principle, sure But these scenes that are You know Like I mean People always say Like the real test of a great Filmmaker is How you shoot

[00:55:13] Two people in a room talking Like anyone can shoot The fancy stuff And the exciting stuff And make it exciting But if you know how to Make that stuff cinematic With Not an abundance The sake of style or flash You know? Right, right

[00:55:25] But like he finds these moments They're just like people in a room Having pretty low energy conversations Right But finds a way to shoot it So you get the sense Of the looming threat of like This is a decision That's going to find the rest Of my life

[00:55:37] Yeah What I say in the next two minutes Could change the state of this country Could change whether or not I spend the rest of my life As a free man Right In jail Right Um So yes That hotel room scene is really good

[00:55:50] Odin Kirk's so fucking good In this It's just so exciting to see Odin Kirk It is Be fourth billed in the fucking Spellbow I know And he's terrific And yeah And then yeah There's the scene of him riding on the plane With the boxes All seatbelted Right

[00:56:04] Struggling to seatbelt it It's pretty cute He's just I've long contended He's my I think he's the greatest actor In the history of sketch comedy I think he always played Sketch comedy Like it was a fucking Eugene O'Neill play And for so long Cross was working a lot

[00:56:17] And Odin Kirk was trying to direct And he wasn't really working And he didn't get as much respect Yeah anyway He directed those like weird movies Like the Brothers Solomon We're sort of crazy Yeah We're like How the fuck are you doing Right

[00:56:28] And I'm like so fucking here for this revival Of Bobo and Kirk as like A legitimate actor Getting this level of respect And nominations and everything He's the fucking best He's Brian Cranston It's the same fucking path I just hope he doesn't do a bunch of

[00:56:37] Boring as bad movies He gives shit performances in Trumbo He's back The Trumbo fan is logged on I'm trying to type in my bathtub Great line from Trumbo Yes Did you see Last Black Flying? I have not yet So that movie In that movie

[00:56:54] Steve Carell plays a sentient whiplank And Lawrence Fishburne Who's good Both of them are I think are pretty good Like plays like a guy who's like Well I'm a pastor now And I'm a good family man And you know someone goes like And he's like Hey fuck you

[00:57:10] You know like He's all bottled up right Brian Cranston is playing The Jack Nicholson character It's one of I think I think it's an incredibly Embarrassing performance Even from the trailer It looked embarrassing to me You're just like What movie do you think you're in? One

[00:57:23] Because this is a muted AF Yes This is a low key movie Sure And I guess he's thinking Like well I'm the energy But like it's all wrong It's terrible Link Lutter tried to make That movie right after School of Rock When he had some heat Right

[00:57:39] With Nicholson With Nicholson and Quaid And Otis Like pre-Starwhackers Off the grid Quaid And Otis Young had died At that point But he was going to have Morgan Freeman play the part Yeah And I just like fucking Wish he had made that movie

[00:57:52] Like maybe it wouldn't have been Better than this film Right Maybe this book just has less Juice to it than Last Detail does I think it does But no but There would have been power From having the three guys But if it was a real sequel

[00:58:03] To The Last Detail It would make more sense Because instead it's not So they're alluding to Events that are not quite Like The Last Detail From their past Yes Right And you're kind of trying To figure out what You're like right It's not The Last Detail

[00:58:16] That you guys do And they don't tell you Like Corell and Cranston Are like pretty much the same age Yeah Sure Unless it's held the generational Shift between like Quaid's like a kid in that You know And that's kind of how They're playing it in this

[00:58:28] Movie too is that Corell is the younger person Right It's fucking But like Cranston's too old It's too young to be Playing that character No I know Corell is just a good actor Who but he just He gets so stuck in his ruts Like when he's doing stuff

[00:58:40] Like in Same With Battle of the Sexist where it's like He has one mode for that character I think he's kind of solid in that movie I just think that movie Should be less focused on him I think that performance would work best

[00:58:52] If it were sidelined a little more Okay alright I think that movie should be A Billie Jean biopic With occasional appearances From Bobby Riggs And instead it's like 60-40 That's cool Anyway Sorry I realized we've been on this Yes And we're getting kicked out of the studio In

[00:59:12] 32 minutes What are you got 45? Oh okay But what happens? Honestly we're almost done Yeah I don't know Kind of He gets the papers He's got the papers That's when you have The scene you were remembering Where she's You know he goes to K

[00:59:30] There's this sort of recurring joke That he keeps showing up At her like a lovely Washington mansion She's having a party Giving a speech She's always having Parties and giving speeches And he's like K.I. They disrupt her speech To be like you gotta pick up

[00:59:43] This phone call That's later Oh that's later First is him being Where she's like Do you have the papers And he's like not yet Right But That's when Oh god Kind of just like I've said this before With Spielberg Is this gonna be about

[00:59:58] Tom Hanks being good at his job Because he made your points No it's not It's not at all There is a moment It might be this scene Cause there are a couple Scenes that are similar Of Tom Hanks barging in They later make a joke

[01:00:11] They call it out in the movie And say like What do you have a key Like how do you keep on coming in Sure I think he says you should give me A key something like that But Allison Brie plays Merle Streep's daughter K. Graham's daughter Yeah And

[01:00:24] I think one of these scenes He comes in when she's just sort of Having family time with her daughter And her grandchildren And they have a talk In front of The sort of big picture window doors To her backyard patio Area And it's a two shot

[01:00:42] The whole conversation is in a two shot With Allison Brie in the background Still in focus Three kids running around the table Playing And you're just watching Allison Brie Watch their body language talking Allison Brie's good in this movie Clearly trying to figure out Knowing that something's happening

[01:00:59] And Spielberg just keeps it fucking there And I just looked at And I was like This is a fucking movie This is a movie Where you have like An immaculately dressed Period like set Like three fucking pro actors Playing out good dialogue And an unbroken take

[01:01:15] With so many interesting physical dynamics Happening, you know? And there's so many things like that Where like Spielberg when he says I want to make this movie A, he gets top of the line people In all the crafts But B, he gets the budget To make it properly

[01:01:27] He's got his team And you look at this movie And it's like He's got fucking wide exterior shots Where they've dressed everything To look so error appropriate And so many period films You see today it's like Clearly they're like We're gonna have to shoot this time

[01:01:39] Because we can only afford like Two feet of dress No, you're alright I'm cutting you off I just love that shit Yeah, yeah, yeah But like you're right In nine months they made a fucking movie That has like those printing press scenes Right

[01:01:51] Like all these like nice elaborate sets And you see like a full block Like they go around a corner You're like They had to get that many cars Shot in New York a lot too Yeah, they mostly shot it in New York

[01:01:59] And upstate they said a little bit I think workflow as well Whipelins I think it was whiplines Yes Is where they shot the office stuff So the post is a film By Steven Spielberg came out A couple of weeks ago Yes, I mean the Hanksson and Streep

[01:02:14] Have this series of conversations About his intention Why he thinks it's important Sure, but like she knows That this mix of him being like We have to defy this concept That the newspapers can't print this shit Just because the government says so

[01:02:30] But also I wanna beat the New York Times And they've been shut down by the court So let me do it There's like that window of time I think they have We can get ahead of that 12 hours or something This is when the movie becomes on the clock

[01:02:43] Cause there's all that fun stuff in I guess it's in Bradley's house Where you've got all the reporters Like Pat Healy and Odin Kirk and Carrie Coon And they're all like They spread the papers everywhere And they're all like trying to figure out How they're gonna be

[01:02:57] His daughter's a lemonade bitch That's a classic Spielberg bit Maybe he read that in some book somewhere But I love that Number two I love when Odin Kirk pulls up In the taxi cab with the box And he's just like Get my briefcase, get my briefcase

[01:03:11] Like it's like a baby that he's like rushing To the hospital, you know? Yeah Like he's just running up the stairs With this box cause they know The time is of the essence From the moment they open the box They're like we would have to go to press

[01:03:24] And eat hours We have eight hours to comb through this Find our story Get the story ready To hand it over to the press To get it out in time for tomorrow And there's all these questions like The times had months with this They could clear out any

[01:03:37] Like redact anything that really was A threat to national security Blah blah blah Also the two lawyers played Ably by a full faced Jesse Plemons And a gaunt, Zach Woods And not full faced Zach Wood Zach Wood A great comedy team They're like pressuring Odin Kirk

[01:03:55] Where they're like Is your source the same source as the times Because then we're in the lawsuit You know? Right And we're in the court of jail And there's a scene that comes later Which I remember someone saying Back in the old days of the IMDB message boards

[01:04:10] RIP Remember someone in the Spielberg thread I used to look around those Saying like why is he such a great director Like I don't really get it Can someone explain to people what a director does And why it's great And someone wrote this whole post

[01:04:21] Like always think about saying The thing with Spielberg is You want to know what makes him a great director Watch the way he blocks any scene You know? He is so good at figuring out the physical movement He's a fucking good director No he is, I know

[01:04:34] But there's the scene I know I'm skipping ahead a little bit It's like a mise-en-scene next Yeah Where Jesse Plemmons Or mise-en-scene Jesse Plemmons Comes to Bob Odin Kirk in the office And explains to him the stakes If this is indeed the same source Yeah

[01:04:50] And Bob Odin Kirk cannot reveal his source Right But he goes what are the odds? And he goes And he's right on Odin Kirk's face Yeah And Spielberg keeps doing There are very few cuts in this He keeps on rearranging them Because they're moving around

[01:05:04] Into a series of different two shots Staggered Who's in front, who's in back He's become this, what is this Semi-autition over here What is this? 2018 Griffin with the fucking blocking But it's like you look at him And it's like he knows how to get a scene

[01:05:17] Make it pop Give it some juice And do it In the fewest number of cuts possible Keep the two actors in frame I mean that's always been his reputation Is like he's the guy who will walk in And be like Okay I think I want this camera here

[01:05:27] This camera here And like decide that shit so fast Compared to like most normal directors With the actors If you're on this end of the table For this line But then you cross over But simultaneously Yeah it was always like Even when he was fucking directing Joan Crawford

[01:05:39] It was always like the legend of Spielberg That he like knew his way around To set in this sort of like magical way And Jaws is like a master class Of that And that's the thing everyone says Is like he's the first guy

[01:05:48] Who feels like he is fluent in cinema Like he didn't have to learn cinematic language That's just somehow like a second language For him that he just speaks Of understanding Good for him They published the Pentagon paper Hey hey come on They have a series of conversations

[01:06:04] And you have Streep You have Fitz You have Whitford You have all these people arguing The different reasons why they shouldn't do it I guess it's like Right they finally have the papers They're gonna publish it And so now it's right That's when she gets

[01:06:15] That's when she gets pulled out Of the speech she's giving Where it's like You have to make the final call Do we do this or not Right And everyone's on the phone Like Whitford's on the phone In her house Let's is on the phone in Bradley's house

[01:06:29] And I'm gonna do another Spielberg stroke off here But there's a thing I love She's talking to like two or three people It's a conference call right Yeah well four people There's at least four people on the phone Right but in different rooms He does this thing

[01:06:42] Where he cuts with her turning her head When she's talking to different people On the phone As if she's in a conversation Looking at different people To give it more like pop It just feels so tense And it's building up to this big moment

[01:06:56] Where you're like waiting for her To give the big Oscar speech About why they need to take a stand And it's so tight on Meryl's face And then she just goes Let's do it Let's go for it Let's do it Leigh-Eye I think we should do it

[01:07:11] After Letts has said I wouldn't do it You know the guy who usually Sort of speaks for her Right And yeah no Let's do it Let's do it And she sort of like gathers This momentum As she goes and That's what I'm gonna say

[01:07:23] And I'm going to sleep now Goodnight It's the... Yes And the audience bursts into applause It's the most deft underplaying I've ever seen We're all waiting for her To do something to be like You know I say good day to you sir Right You know to Bradley Wifford

[01:07:36] Or whatever Right And I guess she kind of does That later where she sort of says Like you know You shouldn't be on the board If you don't support this Kind of stuff Right But still He never leans into it Which I love

[01:07:48] But it goes against that thing That I hate out of like Certain historical films And biographies Biopics Where it's like Every line I say is the most important thing That has ever happened I am in this moment Fully aware of the consequences Of what I'm saying on history

[01:08:01] What I love And she's just kind of like Um... Yeah, let's do it Let's do it I... What I love Is I guess Because there's still all this drawn out shit Where Wifford's like You can still back out And they have to like

[01:08:13] It goes down to this minute Where the printing press They're like Do we go? Do we not go? And there's a line I love Where they say I think Plemmons says Just know if you publish this And you know it may cease to exist Sure

[01:08:24] And Hanks says something to the effect of If we let them intimidate us As we know it is already Seized to exist Which is killer Good line He finally, you know They get to go ahead The press starts working And like

[01:08:36] There's this shot of Odin Kirk at his desk And the desk is shaking Because the press is beneath them Yes Which is a move in Which is a real anecdote And it's literally like Moving the fucking earth Yes The news And as Hanks pointed out

[01:08:49] Big fan of typewriters He's like My biggest take from this movie Is how fucking difficult it was To print a newspaper in those days Because you see them having to lay out All the different blocks And it's like Oh, there's another moment We saw this in a screening

[01:09:01] With a lot of critics and journalists True And there was a moment Where they drop the piece On the desk of the copywriter The copy editor Oh god I fucking love that And go It's so funny Literally they hand it to the copywriter

[01:09:14] His first thing is he crosses out the lead Right It's so funny And they say you have 30 minutes And the audience applauded Which that will not get applause in most theaters But it's him cutting Immediately cutting the lead Which all everyone Like he's just like No, too flowery

[01:09:28] You know, like you could just tell He's like Nope You have 30 minutes And just one fell swoop Like takes out the pen Crosses it out 30 minutes later he's done They put in the pneumatic tube They're downstairs They're putting the blocks on the press Laying out the front page

[01:09:42] And the thing is going There's another marrow moment She has with a similar Underplaying that I'm trying to remember now Well there's that thing where she tells Whitford to fuck off Yes But I'm trying to remember if there's anything else I mean there is She's the best

[01:09:55] And I love her Sir Paulson gets her one moment Where she has the speech Where she kind of explains to Tom Hanks Right And then of course Streep has that moment With Alison Brie Where she's remembering her Right after her husband's suicide

[01:10:07] When Alison Brie wrote her this little note To read to the board Yeah Which is very well acted It's more of like a classic marrow Like, you know Where she's sort of like monologuing it Nobody and she has the You know, does a lot of that

[01:10:20] A lot of sighing Whistful mildest look Amazing size Holding the glasses in her hand Holding the glasses They go on, they go off She does some amazing glasses Working this movie She does, because she has glasses But she doesn't wear them For a lot of the film

[01:10:32] But if you just want to watch An actor working well with props She's got a move She keeps on doing Where she holds one of the arms Of her glasses And twirls it in her fingers When she's like Deliberating on a big decision Right And it's fucking ace

[01:10:47] Those are the two big sort of Backwards and in heels monologues Which I think Spielberg He said the Q&A That there were the co-themes to him About the media The press needing to be brave At moments where The government is actively trying To silence and suppress

[01:11:04] But also the co-themes Of, you know The amount of silent invisible Struggle that a woman in any Industry has to go through And they have these two speeches That could have been overwrought I think And Spielberg, as you said Put too much of a peek at the beginning

[01:11:22] Of the end of a lot of movies You worry that he could underline That theme too much But both of those moments Very underplayed Yeah, because I mean Basically once they publish You know, there are these nice Moments of like, you know Bradley points out the next day

[01:11:34] That all these other newspapers Publish the same story Where he tosses all the papers On the table He comes in and just lines them out That's really nice And we're not small-time people And I'm like, I love this And then there's the scene right after that

[01:11:45] Where they're down in the printing press And Meryl Streep comes down And she's sort of like You know, the press doesn't always get it right And you're like, alright, Steven You know, we know But whatever, that's his move They say that the newspaper

[01:11:56] Is the first draft of history Does he say something like that? Yeah, he does No But that's always what he does He always does it It's based with a cake And you kind of have to accept with Spielberg That there's always going to be a scene

[01:12:05] At the end where he assumes You don't get what the movie was about Like he always does that It's fine And sometimes it's more elegant It's like how your aunt, you know Just sort of like the anecdote Just kind of goes on for a second Right

[01:12:16] This time it's thankfully pretty short You know, I file it next to like The kids jumping over the wall And the train and Bridgespies Which is just like Okay, get it over with It's fine, it's fine Then we should have ended with him Faced out in the bed

[01:12:28] Yeah, sure But you know what else I love In this movie? What? Is, well, you know There's obviously like There's a Supreme Court scene Where you see them all filing in But you don't actually, you know See the court battle Sure But then you have Carrie Coon reciting

[01:12:43] The decision I'll tell you Over the phone That's a moment I thought he put a little too much For pretty good No, no, no You are very wrong That is a great moment That is such a good moment I think that moment Is played a little too much

[01:12:57] Like an Oscar moment I love it I think it's great To get those words in there They're so important I agree Much more than her Then being like The press is an important institution You know, there's more vague like

[01:13:10] I think it's important to get those words in there I think it's fine to have Carrie Coon's character be emotionally affected By the words I think she plays it as if She's making the grand statement of the film No And I think she's a phenomenal actor

[01:13:25] She's the best She's so good She's obviously a power couple with Tracy Letts Carrie Coon Really? Wait, you don't know that? Yeah, they're married They've been married for years I don't know anything There was someone else I found out the other day I didn't know Like two actors

[01:13:40] I didn't realize I'd been married For like fucking 30 years Yeah, Tracy Coon and Carrie Carrie Coon and Tracy Letts Tracy Coon and Carrie Letts Oh, you know what's one I just Found out about recently? Tell me Winnie Halsman and Paul Dooley? Yeah, that's weird, right?

[01:13:53] That's a weird one Hey man, Paul Dooley Hey Get him on a Spielberg He can get it You asked me Do you know how old Paul Dooley is? 68 I believe he's 91 That was way off I looked him up recently He's crack 90 He's 89 Okay He's crack 99 When's his birthday?

[01:14:11] Good call February So hey, in a couple months Happy birthday Paul February what? 20 seconds I want him to have the same birthday as me No, I'm sorry Winnie Halsman is younger Yes She's like 63 She's more what I thought Paul Dooley was

[01:14:24] I guess I'm thinking like Paul Dooley's circa E.R. You know, circa 1994 Paul Dooley's also a guy who looked 63 when he was 21 Like he has drunk her face He's a Wilfred Brimley Right Yeah So that's the movie It ends with the two of them walking off hand-in-hand

[01:14:43] with the press The press running behind them, right? Well, and also there is that moment and this is another paprika moment I rode the home train with David Erlich and his wife, Elisa who's the best and we were talking about that moment

[01:14:57] of Merrill walking out of the Supreme Court and Michael Stuhl-Bargupley is giving the time statement on the decision and she just like navigates her way around and she's like, I think we've said all we need to say and just walks through a sea of women Yes All women

[01:15:12] where she, you know, and they're all kind of looking at her Yeah And I was like, that's, that was cheesy and Elisa was like, I loved that Oh, there's that really good moment too where she shows up and she doesn't know which room she should be in

[01:15:24] in the courthouse and there's a girl who's like a clerk Yes, which apparently was a scene that Spielberg expanded the day of Right Yeah That scene's pretty cute I like it, Hank said like he was like I just love a movie like this where everyone gets a moment

[01:15:40] and I do love movies like that Sure, that was a good way for him to put it Feels like a character Like no one feels perfunctory just to like prop up another person to alley-oop, you know but she sort of gives the speech of being like

[01:15:50] look, I know I'm working for the other side but I hope you fucking create a moment there Uh Yeah Yeah, the movie ends with the two of them sort of walking off, right? I love this movie No, no, no No This movie ends

[01:16:07] with a break-in at the Watergate Oh, right, right But they also Setting up the sequel Setting up the sequel They make a crazy amount of money The stock does really well, right? Yes Is there a scene where they pop in champagne? Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah

[01:16:19] I mean every, right I mean the banks never pulled out obviously Right Like what they fear does not come to pass Yes, Bilberg said that he was worried about having to recreate the same Washington Post offices from all the president's men because that was iconic

[01:16:35] Right, that they had moved to that office They didn't have the cash flow until after this story Right And then you get another tricky Dick Nixon conversation with him saying like, they're like, they're post-Chinternating Oh, yes Wacking day Right They will never report on us ever again

[01:16:54] And then you see Oliver Stone should direct my biopic That's what's crazy This movie ends on the nuts cliffhanger Because you see a guard and he's like at this building I think it's called The Watergate The home of the Atlantic magazine and website Really?

[01:17:13] Yeah, that's where their offices are I've been to the Watergate many times He's at the Watergate and he sees the door taped open Right, and we zoom out to say cut to exterior So what do you think happens next? People... The Watergate

[01:17:26] Well, there were some guys with flashlights Yeah, like going through files Yes Yeah, the Watergate's coming next and of course when you're watching it you're realizing like well, of course Spielberg didn't want to make the Watergate movie about the post that movie already got made

[01:17:39] Do we try to predict the box office? I don't think we can predict No, because it's like impossible But this is what I want to do What do you think this movie is gonna do Final Total Domestic? Because this is a movie I think could go any direction

[01:17:50] Yeah, I actually have no idea because a Bridge of Spies Total which was, I think, Bridge of Spies Total was 72, yeah, 72 Okay You know, seems perfectly plausible to me but if this movie gets more Oscar traction which I think it might I see it more

[01:18:05] and also that Christmas Yes you know, the cannibalization that you have at the box office for like the next two months Right I think it could easily make it to like 130, 140 But I could also see it low-balling at 50 I could see it playing like Munich

[01:18:19] and not totally connecting because it is pretty muted No, I don't think so This movie is more star-driven and like the Munich was and it's more feel-good Munich is a feel-bad movie Sure I mean, it just is I guess Munich ended up at like fucking 40 Right?

[01:18:36] Yeah, I mean, but remember Munich literally ends with Eric Bona being like was that whole movie pointless and Jeff Riosz just like maybe You're a good guy 47 Munich ended up Okay I think this probably ends up making an S788

[01:18:50] I think it's just good to note that we totally whiffed on our box office predictions for Justice League Jesus Christ We were way off I mean, so was the studio to be clear, yeah I mean, we were basically going off the studio estimates and the studio was like

[01:19:01] yeah, Justice League will make 115 Wonder will make 15 Instead it was basically like take that 15 off of Justice League put it on Wonder We low-balled the star We overshot the second weekend of Murder on the Orient Express We got everything wrong Oh boy, look, we're not always right

[01:19:18] No, we're often wrong Let's see, coming out the same weekend that the post goes wide Uh-huh One second Because I want to see if there's like some dumb horror movie Shan 12 Woman in Black 3 The woman back in Back in Black

[01:19:32] I remember you and I going to see some movie and they played the trailer for Woman in Black 2 That said it was coming out January 1st and you were like, geez, they cannot wait to get that thing They are wasting No time pushing that thing onto the public

[01:19:49] Was Radcliffe was even Was he really mad at one right? No, I think it was St. Claifin Claffin maybe? I don't know, whatever No, unfortunately it's going to have some competition because here's your January 12th my friend The commuter which looks like a fucking delight

[01:20:02] Looks so fucking short Liam Neeson is on a train There's some business he's got to take care of and that business is punching We saw the trailer when we went to see Justice League and Tessa Claire Harris turned to me and was like

[01:20:15] Is this taken on a train? I was like, yeah pretty much and she was like, no I mean is it literally taken for but this time he's on a train No, it's the commuter And it's directed by Collette Sarah Way better than fucking Megaton or whatever

[01:20:26] It's like you could say the train is under siege Ounce Yes, it looks very under siege It looks very nonstop Do you think they go into Dark Territory at any point? I believe they do Are they serving broth on the train? We'll find out Ben

[01:20:41] Okay, if you're listening at home Ben just leaned into David and David kissed him on the head the forehead Ben was looking for some kind of love I didn't know what else to do really I could have rubbed his head I guess We've also got Proud Mary

[01:20:55] Which is going to be huge I think Quite possibly although January 12th gives me pause that it's like abominable so I hope it's good I think they're trying to replicate Hidden Figures which went wide that weekend and that's going to be like Hidden Figures was a nice movie

[01:21:09] that everybody could agree was nice it was the sequel to Larry Crown Your mom says oh that's nice Proud Mary she's like killing people I think Terragi is trying to carve out January to be her mom I'm all for it and My dad Most importantly

[01:21:23] My dad emailed me after the Proud Mary trailer came out and said this is the best trailer I've seen in 15 years My dad is so pumped for Proud Mary Good for you Shout out Peter Most excited for? Paddington too P2 baby P2 train stop

[01:21:35] He's a nice bear he's back And Warner Brothers is releasing at this time They are they bought the rights from Buh-buh-buh Watch those hands They bought the rights from a film company Yes The only thing left on those hands is Marmalade because Paddington's a nice bear

[01:21:50] He's a nice bear he never heard anybody and he deserves to be seen by every single member of the world and he should be Can't wait to see that movie P2 So actually the post might be in trouble Yeah, because I think P2 is going to open big

[01:22:02] Mm-hmm And I think I think a commuter will do solid business I will ex- I expect that the post Although once again we don't know because it's like What kind of fucking critical groundswell is there going to be for this movie

[01:22:15] How much is it going to relate to our time? That's the thing we're walking out of there the critics We're all like that was good That seemed terrific actually Yeah That seems like an Oscar winner But you think it's going to win Best Picture?

[01:22:27] No, I think it could I think this is like the craziest most wide open race Let's do an on the record right now November what is it? 21st What do you think is going to win Best Picture as of today? Get out Really?

[01:22:42] I mean it's on the record Why not? Yeah No guts, no glory Big swing, yeah So my prediction for a while has been get out because I felt like The Oscars are so fucking topical right now The favorite is Dunkirk

[01:22:53] which is kind of like the opposite of that kind of movie I think Nolan still wins Best Director I think he's going to get the curl on for technical achievement I have always thought that Nolan is winning Director I think he's kind of got that lock

[01:23:02] I agree he's winning the Gravity Award Exactly, he's winning the Gravity Award But I don't think that movie wins Best Picture I don't either because it is kind of a weirdly alienating movie anyway and also it's not topical at all

[01:23:14] And this is a year where I think the winner is going to be pointed Maybe, but then people are like it's going to be pointed It's going to be pointed What movie are you talking about? They were like three billboards and I was like go watch that movie

[01:23:23] and let me know if you think it's going to win Best Picture and then people come back and be like alright maybe not because that movie is way too divisive to win Best Picture and then people are like oh shape of water

[01:23:32] and I was like that movie is kind of weird she fucks a fish man again feels too nichey some people are lady bird I'm like the Academy is still mostly men who are sexist Yes, I love Lady Bird

[01:23:44] I think there's a zero percent chance it wins Best Picture Some people are saying call me by your name and I'm like again it's like an it is swooning 80s romance it's not really like hot buttony And not to be reductive

[01:23:56] but you can see a lot of the Academy being like didn't we give it to Nolan last year? Sure, sure whatever it's very reductive but sure and then you sort of swing back to Dunker because you're like well you know what so I was kind of like

[01:24:07] what about fucking get out man that movie is a phenomenon I think get out is a good call and you will look so fucking smart That's the thing and if it loses I'll be like well I was a fucking brave person I'm brave

[01:24:16] Okay so I'm going to be brave I'm going to go on the record Lego Batman movie sweets I think it's a good call but then you know when we're coming out of that and Erlich was like to me like you don't think that wins Best Picture

[01:24:25] Nolan wins Best Director and I was like that does seem pretty plausible but let's see I mean look for once we are not the connoisseurs of context we are the connoisseurs but we don't have the context you the listener or listening to this episode

[01:24:39] knowing what state the world is in when this movie is released Sure, would the Oscars ever happen? We'll really cast the die for this film I think Cast that die That was me casting a die Alright we did it we did it guys

[01:24:50] it's an hour and a half So now you know we're officially at the end of our corridor of all these sort of one-off episodes we've had to do That's right and very excited that next week we begin our mini series on the films of Paul Verhoeven in Hollywood

[01:25:07] That is true our first episode is Flesh and Blood Hey stick with us folks Content warning That movie is really intense Hard, hard content It has a lot of sexual violence so just if you want to watch along with us people often do and that's great

[01:25:25] but I'm just saying Flesh and Blood which is on Amazon Prime right now for you to watch Yes is a lot It's a brutal movie Capital A, capital L a lot It's a brutal movie and then we recorded a whole episode about it Yes, we did

[01:25:40] So you can listen to that next week Podshipcasters We announced this already Right, we're just we're just pre-voting it Next week is Flesh and Blood got Robocop coming up All our friends are going to be there Robocop a seven hour four part episode Yeah Robocop

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