The Terminator with Rachel Sanders

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David

[00:00:09] Don't know what to say or to express

[00:00:13] All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check

[00:00:20] What day is it? The date!

[00:00:22] The 12th. May. Thursday.

[00:00:25] What podcast?!

[00:00:27] 1984

[00:00:29] Oh cool, cool, cool. Hey everybody my name's Griffin Newman.

[00:00:31] That was awful.

[00:00:32] You wanna try the other one?

[00:00:33] No no no it's good I don't want to try the other one.

[00:00:35] I'm gonna try the other one.

[00:00:36] No, no, no.

[00:00:38] What's the other one?

[00:00:40] I'm pulling it up. Why don't you start into...

[00:00:43] The hardest thing is deciding what I should tell you and what not to.

[00:00:45] No, no, that's terrible. I hate that part.

[00:00:47] But I guess I've got a while yet before you're old enough to even understand the tapes.

[00:00:50] There more for me at this point just so I can get it straight.

[00:00:53] Should I tell you about your father?

[00:00:54] Boy, that's a tough one.

[00:00:56] Would it affect your decision to send him here knowing that he's your father?

[00:00:59] No, we're not doing this.

[00:01:00] You don't sign a call you can never be. God a person could go crazy thinking about all this.

[00:01:03] I suppose I will tell you.

[00:01:05] I owe him that.

[00:01:07] Maybe it'll be enough if you know that in a few hours we had together.

[00:01:10] We loved a podcast Swarth!

[00:01:12] No we can't do that.

[00:01:14] We did it! It's terrible.

[00:01:15] It's done.

[00:01:16] I talked all over it.

[00:01:17] That's all part of the podcast.

[00:01:19] Hey, hi.

[00:01:20] Hi.

[00:01:21] My name is Griffin.

[00:01:23] My name is David Sims. This is Blank Check with Griffin and David.

[00:01:27] Colon, Pottinator, Colon, Judgment Cats.

[00:01:32] Yes, that's the awful title of our new miniseries.

[00:01:34] Perfect title.

[00:01:36] People are already asking why there isn't a 2 in the title.

[00:01:38] It's because we didn't want people to think there was a first miniseries they had to listen to.

[00:01:42] It's like how there was the play The Madness of King George III.

[00:01:45] But the movie was called The Madness of King George.

[00:01:47] Because studios were afraid they would think it was a sequel to a movie someone hadn't seen.

[00:01:51] We're trying to right the wrongs of Leonard Part 6.

[00:01:54] Yeah, exactly.

[00:01:56] The second wrong. The first wrong was hiring Bill Cosby.

[00:01:59] Hi everybody.

[00:02:00] This is awful.

[00:02:02] Let's start over.

[00:02:04] I'll be podcasting.

[00:02:05] Hey everybody, my name is Griffin.

[00:02:07] I'm David.

[00:02:08] Welcome to Blank Check with Griffin and David.

[00:02:10] Colon, Pottinator, Colon, Judgment Cats.

[00:02:13] This is a podcast where we go through filmographies.

[00:02:15] Yeah.

[00:02:16] And important filmmakers who experienced big success early on

[00:02:19] were given a series of blank checks to make their wildest dreams come true cinematically.

[00:02:23] And sometimes the check's clear and sometimes they bounce.

[00:02:26] Oh, there's the air. There it is.

[00:02:28] There we feel.

[00:02:29] Now this podcast is going to be great.

[00:02:31] That was the only thing holding us back up until now.

[00:02:34] We've gotten to the second film in our miniseries on James Cameron.

[00:02:39] That film is called, let me double check the title here, The Terminator.

[00:02:43] Okay, yeah.

[00:02:44] It's called The Terminator.

[00:02:45] Right.

[00:02:46] Little Scene 84 joins.

[00:02:48] His follow up to Piranha 2, The Spawning, is The Terminator.

[00:02:53] I did not know that.

[00:02:55] I'm going to say something kind of crazy from the get go.

[00:02:58] I think this one's better than Piranha 2, The Spawning.

[00:03:00] I know.

[00:03:01] I think he actually...

[00:03:02] That's a bold claim.

[00:03:03] This was like an improvement.

[00:03:04] He took a leap.

[00:03:05] He took a little leap.

[00:03:06] We have a guest.

[00:03:07] I love having the guest talk before we introduce the guest.

[00:03:09] It's always a little tantalizing.

[00:03:10] You know what I mean?

[00:03:11] It's a little appetizing.

[00:03:12] Yeah, you know?

[00:03:13] Who could it be?

[00:03:14] Right.

[00:03:15] You just go to the menu and you see the picture of the food before you order the food.

[00:03:18] I only go to places with pictures on the menu.

[00:03:20] Yeah, me too.

[00:03:21] For that reason.

[00:03:22] I only listen to podcasts where the guest talks before they're introduced.

[00:03:25] Uh-huh.

[00:03:26] Great.

[00:03:27] Our guest is Rachel Sanders.

[00:03:28] Oh, hey, Rachel.

[00:03:29] Hi, Rachel.

[00:03:30] Hi, guys.

[00:03:31] Rachel Sanders at BuzzFeed.

[00:03:32] Did you just get a new title?

[00:03:34] I want to give you your proper title.

[00:03:35] It's the same title.

[00:03:36] I'm a senior editor.

[00:03:37] Senior editor at BuzzFeed.

[00:03:38] I'm on the culture team now.

[00:03:39] Dot com.

[00:03:40] Now, does that mean...

[00:03:41] And longtime friend of David Simms.

[00:03:42] Yeah, it's true.

[00:03:43] Well, I mean you should have led with that.

[00:03:46] Does being a senior editor mean that you get to pay senior prices at movies?

[00:03:51] Of course it does.

[00:03:53] I try.

[00:03:54] Okay.

[00:03:55] I see what I can get away with.

[00:03:56] Do you know what they call seniors in Britain?

[00:03:57] What?

[00:03:58] Old age pensioner.

[00:03:59] Really?

[00:04:00] What if...

[00:04:01] Did they all get a pension?

[00:04:02] I guess that's Europe for you.

[00:04:03] Yeah, OAP.

[00:04:04] Not anymore.

[00:04:05] Right, right.

[00:04:06] It's like social security.

[00:04:07] They call them OPs?

[00:04:08] No, they call them OAPs.

[00:04:09] Oh, that's a missed opportunity.

[00:04:10] And it always says that on the movie pricing.

[00:04:12] You know, adult child OAP.

[00:04:14] I like that.

[00:04:15] Yeah, old age pensioner.

[00:04:16] All right.

[00:04:17] We good?

[00:04:18] Yeah.

[00:04:19] Yeah, all right.

[00:04:20] Let's get out of here.

[00:04:21] Good podcast.

[00:04:22] It's not today.

[00:04:23] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:04:24] All right.

[00:04:25] No, no.

[00:04:26] The Terminator.

[00:04:27] This is a tough one.

[00:04:28] This is one of those ones we're going to talk around for a while because it's like

[00:04:29] kind of too big a deal to you.

[00:04:30] Yeah.

[00:04:31] Sort of like our Matrix episode.

[00:04:32] I'm sorry we're ready to get into it but it is...

[00:04:33] You watched this movie.

[00:04:35] It is like the prototype for every studio film for the next three years.

[00:04:41] Sure.

[00:04:42] Yeah.

[00:04:43] I could start if I may be so rude by saying that I just saw Aliens all for the first time.

[00:04:48] Oh, we're going to cover next week.

[00:04:49] And I know that he made that what?

[00:04:51] Just like a few years after.

[00:04:52] That was his next movie.

[00:04:53] Yeah.

[00:04:54] 86.

[00:04:55] 86.

[00:04:56] And then I watched this which I had never seen before and I was like, oh, it's the same

[00:04:59] movie.

[00:05:00] They're very similar.

[00:05:01] So why did you see Aliens?

[00:05:02] It was outside in Red Hook.

[00:05:03] It was beautiful.

[00:05:04] Beautiful night.

[00:05:05] It's a fucking good...

[00:05:06] I can't wait to talk about Aliens.

[00:05:07] That's next week.

[00:05:08] Sorry.

[00:05:09] No, no, no.

[00:05:10] It's very exciting.

[00:05:11] James Cameron.

[00:05:12] Yeah.

[00:05:13] I've seen this movie a thousand times.

[00:05:15] Now Griffin, you confessed to me that you would actually not seen this movie except one time.

[00:05:20] Yeah.

[00:05:21] But for one time.

[00:05:22] Okay.

[00:05:23] So I have seen Terminator 2 Judgement Day a thousand times.

[00:05:26] A bedillion times.

[00:05:27] It's one of my absolute favorite movies.

[00:05:28] I mean it was the movie for us kids.

[00:05:30] Right.

[00:05:31] Okay.

[00:05:32] I had a very protective mother which I think has been referenced before on this show

[00:05:34] because it...

[00:05:35] And is also referenced in your personality?

[00:05:37] Yep.

[00:05:38] Yep.

[00:05:39] I have my media habits because for the first 10 years of my life I was not allowed to watch...

[00:05:44] Scary things?

[00:05:45] Most things.

[00:05:46] Okay.

[00:05:47] Most things.

[00:05:48] She infamously wouldn't let me watch Rugrats because she thought it was too cynical.

[00:05:52] It is pretty cynical.

[00:05:55] That's fair.

[00:05:56] In what way is Rugrats cynical?

[00:05:58] Well, so for my 10th birthday...

[00:06:00] I don't even understand.

[00:06:01] Go on.

[00:06:02] For my 10th birthday I was like, Mom, my birthday present can I watch one episode

[00:06:06] of Rugrats because I knew if she watched it with me she'd be like, Oh, this is a show about

[00:06:09] fucking babies.

[00:06:10] It's just babies talking.

[00:06:11] I think she thought Rugrats and like Ren and Stimpy...

[00:06:14] Because Ren and Stimpy was getting so much attention at the time.

[00:06:17] I didn't call Ren and Stimpy cynical.

[00:06:18] He was weird.

[00:06:19] The two things she wouldn't let me watch, she detested violence and cynicism.

[00:06:24] Maybe sarcastic.

[00:06:25] Maybe she said it was too sarcastic.

[00:06:27] So porn was fine.

[00:06:28] I take it.

[00:06:29] Porn was fine.

[00:06:30] Because porn is alarmingly sincere.

[00:06:32] Yeah.

[00:06:33] But if nothing else, it's very sincere work.

[00:06:36] Maybe sarcastic was the word she used instead.

[00:06:38] She said it was violent or too sarcastic.

[00:06:40] The Simpsons, was that a red flag for her?

[00:06:42] Yeah, 100%.

[00:06:43] That was my show.

[00:06:44] That was all I watched when I was a kid and I think it's because my parents had never

[00:06:46] seen an episode.

[00:06:47] So they were just like, Oh, she's watching a cartoon.

[00:06:49] Yeah, looks fun.

[00:06:50] Well, so for the first 10 years of my life I almost exclusively watched...

[00:06:55] My main thing was...

[00:06:56] You watched Kid Stuff.

[00:06:57] Real Kid Stuff.

[00:06:58] Well, the Muppet Show?

[00:06:59] Very sincere.

[00:07:00] Right.

[00:07:01] But it's also pretty...

[00:07:02] It's pretty cynical, I think.

[00:07:03] The Muppet Show?

[00:07:04] It's arch.

[00:07:05] It's knowing.

[00:07:06] It's rye.

[00:07:07] I don't know if I call it cynical.

[00:07:08] But also the main thing I watched...

[00:07:09] You're still trying to put on a show?

[00:07:11] Yeah.

[00:07:12] I watched a lot of old...

[00:07:13] Can't ever bear a shit.

[00:07:14] I watched a lot of old 60, 70 second.

[00:07:16] And then the main thing I watched was Looney Tunes,

[00:07:18] which is the most violent cynical thing in the world.

[00:07:21] It's just Bugs Bunny like fucking like

[00:07:24] Razin' On people.

[00:07:25] Tricking people and defying authority.

[00:07:27] Yeah.

[00:07:28] But then when I was 10 and I had some sort of like autonomy,

[00:07:31] the floodgates opened.

[00:07:32] And I think a lot of my personality is defined by the fact...

[00:07:34] I was always an obsessive kid,

[00:07:36] but now suddenly it was like these things like

[00:07:38] The Simpsons that I'd never been able to watch before.

[00:07:40] You could watch it all.

[00:07:41] I went insane about The Simpsons.

[00:07:42] And another thing was like,

[00:07:43] I'm gonna get into action movies.

[00:07:45] Like I wasn't allowed to watch superhero shit.

[00:07:47] We've been talking about them in the playground, us kids.

[00:07:49] Action movies.

[00:07:50] Well that's why I was here.

[00:07:51] They were in.

[00:07:52] And it's like, you know...

[00:07:53] It was the hot genre.

[00:07:54] Yeah.

[00:07:55] We weren't into like Bergman movies yet.

[00:07:56] You know, we didn't watch foreign movies.

[00:07:58] We watched action movies.

[00:07:59] And I kind of hung out with girls more because

[00:08:01] I could watch the shows that girls could watch.

[00:08:03] But I couldn't like boys, they'd be like,

[00:08:04] Fuck Power Rangers.

[00:08:05] I saw Terminator 2 and I'd be like,

[00:08:06] I'm not allowed to watch any of this.

[00:08:07] So I would go like,

[00:08:08] oh yeah, I don't like that stuff.

[00:08:09] Like I'd have to play it like it was my choice

[00:08:11] not to watch it.

[00:08:12] Sure.

[00:08:13] Right well you know,

[00:08:14] as kids we create narratives around our lives.

[00:08:15] Right.

[00:08:16] Yeah.

[00:08:17] And then I just like talk about Care Bears and stuff.

[00:08:18] So like when I was like 10 or 11,

[00:08:20] I remember someone gave my dad a copy of Terminator 2

[00:08:23] on DVD.

[00:08:24] So we're not even arriving at you watching the Terminator.

[00:08:27] Wow.

[00:08:29] So like you started with Terminator 2,

[00:08:30] but it seems like everyone else in the world did too.

[00:08:32] I didn't.

[00:08:33] Oh okay, because I was going to say most people did.

[00:08:35] Maybe at least most people already.

[00:08:36] Yes.

[00:08:37] Right.

[00:08:38] My dad got a DVD copy of the Terminator.

[00:08:39] We're all 100 years old.

[00:08:40] Yeah.

[00:08:41] It was like early days of DVD in that disc.

[00:08:42] That was like a 2-disc set.

[00:08:43] It was like a big fancy deal.

[00:08:44] Yeah sure.

[00:08:45] So people were like trying to send each other DVDs

[00:08:46] to be like, look at me,

[00:08:47] I know what DVDs are good.

[00:08:48] You know?

[00:08:49] The hot DVDs on the market.

[00:08:50] So we got this Terminator 2 DVD

[00:08:52] and I was like, this looks so fucking cool.

[00:08:54] Like I'd read through the booklet

[00:08:55] and I'd be like, Mom can I watch this please?

[00:08:57] I mean, you know.

[00:08:58] It's called the Terminator.

[00:09:00] Right.

[00:09:01] Okay and so no.

[00:09:02] Sick day.

[00:09:03] I had a sick day and I was like,

[00:09:04] can I please watch Terminator?

[00:09:05] And she was like, okay fine,

[00:09:06] you're sick to watch Terminator.

[00:09:07] And I was like, cool,

[00:09:08] we go across the street and we're at the first Terminator.

[00:09:10] So I did double feature.

[00:09:11] Okay.

[00:09:12] And this is the only time you saw Terminator 1.

[00:09:14] Yeah.

[00:09:15] Now I bought it on DVD shortly after

[00:09:17] because we had this Copy Terminator 2

[00:09:19] that I would watch a million times.

[00:09:20] I bought Terminator 1 on DVD.

[00:09:22] I've seen parts of it on TV.

[00:09:23] Sure, sure.

[00:09:24] I've not watched the full movie all the way through

[00:09:26] since that day when I was probably 11 or 12.

[00:09:28] All right.

[00:09:29] But I was surprised like how much of it

[00:09:31] is burned into my memory.

[00:09:33] The images, the lines, the cultural thing,

[00:09:35] but even some of the little moments

[00:09:37] that don't get like memed as much.

[00:09:39] I just like kind of remembered the whole movie.

[00:09:41] Whereas Terminator 2,

[00:09:42] I remember because I watched it

[00:09:43] like once a fucking week.

[00:09:44] Rachel.

[00:09:45] Yes.

[00:09:46] You had never seen the Terminator 2.

[00:09:47] Never.

[00:09:48] I had never seen it.

[00:09:49] Had you seen Terminator 2?

[00:09:50] No.

[00:09:51] I have not seen a single film

[00:09:52] in the entire Terminator franchise.

[00:09:54] Who are you about to say in the entire world?

[00:09:55] I am a newborn to this franchise.

[00:09:58] I wanted to start at the beginning.

[00:09:59] It felt right.

[00:10:00] You got it.

[00:10:01] Honestly, I thought it was great.

[00:10:02] It's a good movie.

[00:10:03] There's a lot of movies I watched,

[00:10:05] especially ones from the 80s,

[00:10:07] and I'm like, this is stupid trash.

[00:10:09] Like, I don't get it.

[00:10:10] It doesn't stick with you or yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:10:12] Wait, what do you want to rag on?

[00:10:13] No one.

[00:10:14] I want to be nice.

[00:10:15] And I can't remember any good examples.

[00:10:17] Chariot's fire.

[00:10:18] Under Siege 2.

[00:10:19] Under Siege 2 is a 90s movie, Ben.

[00:10:21] But especially, I feel like as someone who was born after this

[00:10:24] movie was made, I would assume that I wouldn't relate to it,

[00:10:28] but I thought it was kind of fascinating.

[00:10:30] I think it's a very fascinating movie in the context of right now,

[00:10:34] as much as it is, you know.

[00:10:35] Well, it's about machines.

[00:10:37] It's about machines.

[00:10:38] We've gotten to the point where no one gives a shit about

[00:10:39] machines.

[00:10:40] Humans do things that are so much worse than any machine

[00:10:42] could ever do, but this was this beautiful,

[00:10:45] naive moment in time where they were like,

[00:10:48] it's the machines that will bring us down.

[00:10:51] We know better now.

[00:10:53] It's cute.

[00:10:54] It's cute, yeah.

[00:10:55] Well, I don't know.

[00:10:56] It's kind of an alarming movie.

[00:10:59] It's a horror movie more than a sci-fi movie in a way.

[00:11:03] Yeah, it's like a slasher movie.

[00:11:04] Right.

[00:11:05] It has all that.

[00:11:06] You know, it's like a woman being stalked around the street

[00:11:08] by two crazy people.

[00:11:10] But one of them turns out to be, he's a nice guy.

[00:11:14] He's pretty crazy, but he's a nice guy.

[00:11:16] He is a bit of a cock, if you ask me.

[00:11:18] Reese? That's his name, right?

[00:11:20] Kyle Reese.

[00:11:21] You reminded me of Luke Skywalker.

[00:11:23] It's like, well, you're blonde.

[00:11:25] You're bland.

[00:11:26] You're narratively central.

[00:11:27] I don't give a shit.

[00:11:28] Can I?

[00:11:29] I'm sorry.

[00:11:30] Can I just point out the thing that I find most alarming?

[00:11:32] Yeah.

[00:11:33] Don't say cock again.

[00:11:34] Cuck.

[00:11:35] That you have already referenced someone by name who has

[00:11:38] not yet been introduced on this podcast.

[00:11:40] Oh, Jesus Christ.

[00:11:41] I was going to tell...

[00:11:42] All right, go ahead.

[00:11:43] Do the names.

[00:11:44] Go on.

[00:11:45] This is a podcast.

[00:11:46] Go for it.

[00:11:47] It's an important job.

[00:11:48] The thing wouldn't get out there.

[00:11:49] Do the names.

[00:11:50] He's working the ones and zeros.

[00:11:51] I'm going to check my email.

[00:11:52] Producer Ben.

[00:11:53] Yep.

[00:11:54] AK the Ben Deucer, AK the Produer, Ben.

[00:11:56] What?

[00:11:57] The Produer Ben?

[00:11:58] Produer Ben.

[00:11:59] AK the Haas.

[00:12:00] Yep.

[00:12:01] AK the Poet Laureate.

[00:12:02] Yep.

[00:12:03] AK our finest film critic.

[00:12:04] AK White Hot Benny.

[00:12:05] AK the Tiebreaker.

[00:12:06] AK Birthday Benny.

[00:12:07] AK Mr. Hositive.

[00:12:08] Thank you.

[00:12:09] AK the fuckmaster.

[00:12:11] He is not Professor Crispy.

[00:12:13] Nope.

[00:12:14] He has graduated.

[00:12:15] White Hot Benny.

[00:12:16] I said White Hot Benny.

[00:12:17] Okay.

[00:12:18] He's graduated to certain titles over the course of different miniseries.

[00:12:20] Those titles include...

[00:12:21] Producer Ben Kenobi, Kylo Ben, Ben Aichamelon, Ben Sate and the hotly contested...

[00:12:27] Benny Lane.

[00:12:28] Benny Lane, which many people are demanding a recount for say...

[00:12:32] I don't know.

[00:12:33] The poll was up guys.

[00:12:34] Poll was up.

[00:12:35] You can pick Benny Lane over here.

[00:12:36] I like say Benny Lane.

[00:12:37] I like say Benny Lane.

[00:12:38] I like say Benny Lane too.

[00:12:39] I thought it was better.

[00:12:41] I made my case for why I thought Benny Lane was a bad choice.

[00:12:43] It's too Beatlesy.

[00:12:44] It's not Cameron Crows.

[00:12:45] It's not proprietary.

[00:12:47] Yeah.

[00:12:48] But anyway, we've had this debate.

[00:12:49] We'll have it again.

[00:12:51] But it's Ben Hosley everybody.

[00:12:52] It's Ben Hosley everybody.

[00:12:53] Hey guys.

[00:12:54] Man.

[00:12:55] The Terminator.

[00:12:56] Good movie.

[00:12:57] Really good.

[00:12:58] Me and Ben chatted about it for 40 minutes because Griffin took the wrong train and was late.

[00:13:02] You got here early.

[00:13:03] I did get here.

[00:13:04] Don't make it sound like I was 40 minutes late.

[00:13:05] I was 18 minutes late.

[00:13:06] Dude, the title sequence?

[00:13:07] Yeah.

[00:13:08] With the like...

[00:13:09] The little cursor.

[00:13:10] Yeah.

[00:13:11] Old school computer graphics.

[00:13:13] Yeah.

[00:13:14] Ben likes old school computer graphics.

[00:13:16] Who doesn't?

[00:13:17] Yeah.

[00:13:18] Well here's a thing that's like when you're talking about why it's tough to talk about

[00:13:20] this movie, okay?

[00:13:21] It's the same thing that The Matrix has.

[00:13:24] It's the same thing that The Phantom Manus has where last one was a joke.

[00:13:30] Where no comedy points.

[00:13:33] Where not just like the influence it had on other things where it's hard to look

[00:13:39] at like the Rosetta Stone because we've seen it.

[00:13:41] There's one reason it's so familiar because it's doing...

[00:13:44] Right, it's like originating a lot of cliches and a lot of like...

[00:13:47] Yeah.

[00:13:48] There's little pieces that I've seen be recycled through other movies my whole life that I

[00:13:51] didn't necessarily know were from this.

[00:13:53] Exactly.

[00:13:54] But the other thing is that every fucking element of this movie is iconic.

[00:13:58] Yeah.

[00:13:59] It's like the dialogue's iconic, the characters are iconic, but then also like the fucking

[00:14:02] font is iconic, the music's iconic.

[00:14:04] Before we talk about anything else can we address the lizard?

[00:14:06] Yes.

[00:14:07] Yeah, let's talk about the lizard.

[00:14:08] She has a pet lizard.

[00:14:09] She has a pet lizard.

[00:14:10] It was the 80s.

[00:14:11] What was its name?

[00:14:12] It was like...

[00:14:13] I wrote it down because it was so nuts.

[00:14:15] I do not know what her name was for.

[00:14:16] First of all she has a lizard.

[00:14:17] Oh, Pugsley.

[00:14:18] Yeah, Pugsley.

[00:14:19] Pugsley.

[00:14:20] Which is the name of the kid in the Adams family.

[00:14:22] Really?

[00:14:23] Yeah.

[00:14:24] So is that an homage to Charles Adams?

[00:14:26] Oh no.

[00:14:27] Is Sarah Connor a big Charles Adams fan?

[00:14:30] Pugsley, I hear Pugsley and maybe it's just the Adams family thing but I think

[00:14:34] a rolly-poly thing.

[00:14:35] Yeah, the whole fat boy from the Adams family.

[00:14:38] Right, lizards are pretty lean.

[00:14:39] Well it just doesn't feel like a suit of name.

[00:14:41] I have a question for those of you who have seen all the Terminator movies, is the lizard

[00:14:45] a motif?

[00:14:46] No.

[00:14:47] Does the lizard return?

[00:14:48] No, absolutely not.

[00:14:49] That's disappointing to me.

[00:14:50] So the thing about this movie that is interesting to me because there are so many other Terminator

[00:14:53] movies is this movie is so like 80s.

[00:14:56] And I don't mean it in like an OMG, I love the 80s, like it's so random.

[00:15:00] No but like the jeans, the hair.

[00:15:03] Especially the sunglasses he's wearing.

[00:15:06] Punk rock influence.

[00:15:08] You have the punks in the beginning.

[00:15:10] The weird punks, Tecnoir.

[00:15:11] Tecnoir, yes.

[00:15:12] And like the fact that she has an lizard, you know, this is people are like I'm not

[00:15:17] going to get a cat or a dog, I'm going to get a crazy pet.

[00:15:19] Well the most 80s element of the entire movie to me is that one character is defined

[00:15:23] by the fact that she wears headphones.

[00:15:25] She brings a Walkman to have sex which is it's like wow what a crazy modern person

[00:15:31] this is.

[00:15:32] I love movies where the plot relies on like outdated technology so it's like the

[00:15:35] phone book, like the headphones, right?

[00:15:38] Like all this stuff that just doesn't exist anymore.

[00:15:40] Oh Rachel, you're speaking my language.

[00:15:43] Really, you really are hitting Benza.

[00:15:46] I'm right there with you.

[00:15:47] But what's funny about that is this is a movie about time travel and of course

[00:15:51] other sequels have referenced this movie a lot, you know, and like tie into

[00:15:54] it in weird ways.

[00:15:55] None of the other movies have the 80s vibe at all.

[00:15:58] It's like this weird relic that they have to keep touching.

[00:16:01] Yes.

[00:16:02] But all the, you know, judgment, Terminator 2, Pottonator, Colin,

[00:16:06] Judgment Cast, Terminator 2 is like the least 90s movie.

[00:16:09] I mean the most 90s movie.

[00:16:11] But less 90s than this is 80s.

[00:16:13] Do you know what I'm saying?

[00:16:14] Like it is very 90s.

[00:16:15] I think the 90s were just less than the 80s were.

[00:16:18] I think that's true.

[00:16:19] The 90s were less in your face and then the 2000s even less so when

[00:16:22] you get to Terminator 3 Rise of the Machines.

[00:16:24] Which is like a really planned movie.

[00:16:26] Culture isn't a client, you know, they have less to work with.

[00:16:27] Yeah, I think, you know, when I was watching this as like an 11 year old,

[00:16:30] I liked this movie a lot, right?

[00:16:32] But then I was really wanting to watch Terminator 2.

[00:16:34] Like there was a part of me that was watching this VHS so I could get to my

[00:16:37] fucking 2-Disc Terminator 2.

[00:16:39] Terminator 2 is for teens.

[00:16:40] This movie is not so much for teens.

[00:16:42] I was in the right age range.

[00:16:43] Terminator 2 has a teen hero.

[00:16:44] Yes.

[00:16:45] Okay.

[00:16:46] Yeah.

[00:16:47] It's also it's big.

[00:16:48] Yeah, no, of course it's a big action movie with like crazy set piece.

[00:16:50] And I fucking...

[00:16:51] This has no, much less of that.

[00:16:53] And I was like really into Special Effects as a kid.

[00:16:55] So that's like the Special Effects movie, all that sort of stuff.

[00:16:58] But I also think like a couple years later I got into like a big 80s phase

[00:17:01] and I was really into fucking like 80s culture stuff.

[00:17:04] But I think as an 11 year old it was like a bit of a hang up for me

[00:17:07] that it was like this movie is so steeped in its time.

[00:17:09] Yeah.

[00:17:10] Because there are other movies from the 80s that I had like...

[00:17:12] Like Ghostbusters is obviously a movie made in the 80s

[00:17:14] but it feels less time capsily.

[00:17:17] Whereas this from like the hair to the technology to some of the lingo.

[00:17:21] I mean I can't deny that it...

[00:17:23] The laser is the law.

[00:17:25] The lasers are incredible.

[00:17:27] I mean the poster for crying out loud with the lasers.

[00:17:29] That's not something I hold against the movie Present Day.

[00:17:31] I just think as a weird 11 year old I was like

[00:17:33] why are these people doing weird things?

[00:17:35] It was like because they're living in a different time.

[00:17:37] So I have seen this movie plenty of times.

[00:17:40] My friend Brian, who...

[00:17:42] My mom was kind of like your mom.

[00:17:44] I mean she would let me watch cynical works of art

[00:17:47] but like she was pretty like I couldn't watch everything.

[00:17:50] You were also the oldest, the first?

[00:17:51] I was the first. Yes.

[00:17:53] And indeed with Joey my brother a lot of that shit went out the window.

[00:17:56] Oh, my sister got a free pass.

[00:17:58] As is so classically.

[00:17:59] Yeah, I got the free pass.

[00:18:00] Are you younger?

[00:18:01] You're the youngest.

[00:18:02] God damn it.

[00:18:03] So but my friend Brian who was like kind of a friend

[00:18:05] whose parents were more permissive.

[00:18:07] He had like all the video games he had you know

[00:18:09] we would go over there and order pizza

[00:18:11] like you know it was the good friend to hang out with.

[00:18:13] His parents had themselves edited

[00:18:17] Terminators 1 and 2 on VHS for their son.

[00:18:20] So I think they had like gotten the movie, recorded it

[00:18:24] and they would like press stop and like kind of edit out

[00:18:26] like the worst bits.

[00:18:27] Did they take out the amazing sex scene?

[00:18:29] They took out the sex scene.

[00:18:31] And I remember when I first saw this movie in a hole

[00:18:33] and I was like whoa there's like a like the most 80s

[00:18:36] like meatloaf video sex scene of all time.

[00:18:39] The piano soundtrack, the fact that they imply

[00:18:41] that like the way you have sex is like by clasping

[00:18:43] someone's hand really tightly.

[00:18:45] The final slow motion shot of them like...

[00:18:47] Oh my god it was amazing.

[00:18:49] And especially because his...

[00:18:52] The rest of Cameron's ove at this point

[00:18:55] sex becomes a very disnified thing if it exists at all.

[00:18:58] Yeah, sex in Cameron movies is objectively hilarious.

[00:19:02] We're gonna talk about it.

[00:19:03] Do you think he's had sex?

[00:19:05] He's been married five times.

[00:19:07] I mean one assumes he's had sex at least five times.

[00:19:10] I don't know.

[00:19:11] But I think for...

[00:19:12] Maybe not maybe he's too busy.

[00:19:13] That could be the problem.

[00:19:14] But Cameron's also such a technician.

[00:19:16] I think when Cameron has sex it's like drilling for oil.

[00:19:19] I think there's a purpose.

[00:19:21] He does it done.

[00:19:22] And like the sex in this movie has a very specific purpose.

[00:19:25] You know the leader of the free world needs to be conceived.

[00:19:28] It is a lot mandated.

[00:19:29] It's not optional.

[00:19:31] One time.

[00:19:32] Back it's one time.

[00:19:33] That's the thing is I think Cameron's probably really good at sex

[00:19:36] but there's not...

[00:19:37] There's no way he's good at sex.

[00:19:38] I think he's good at sex because Cameron won't let himself

[00:19:40] do anything he's not creative.

[00:19:41] Well that's fair.

[00:19:42] He is, he's very much a control freak and a perfectionist.

[00:19:45] But I feel like control freak...

[00:19:47] If we want to talk...

[00:19:48] Should we turn this into a sex podcast right now?

[00:19:51] After the first 80 episodes movies now we're just me and Griffin giving you sex advice.

[00:19:55] The two guys you want to hear sex advice from most.

[00:19:57] Davidson's and Griffin Newman.

[00:19:59] I can leave.

[00:20:01] No, no.

[00:20:02] You're in this now.

[00:20:03] Rachel, you're unfortunately...

[00:20:04] Ben come in here.

[00:20:05] Alright.

[00:20:06] Ben actually would do a good sex advice podcast.

[00:20:08] Ben would be doing great sex advice podcast.

[00:20:10] Control freak to me seems like the wrong vibe.

[00:20:12] Ben is in here now.

[00:20:14] Hey Ben, what's your advice?

[00:20:15] Ben what do you think about sex?

[00:20:17] I like the sex part.

[00:20:19] Cool, and Ben is leaving the studio.

[00:20:22] Here's my read on Cameron having sex

[00:20:25] because I am bound to talk about this for a little bit.

[00:20:27] Not too long.

[00:20:28] Not too long but I think this is a decent sidebar.

[00:20:30] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:20:31] And I did formulate this entire theory of watching this one.

[00:20:33] I was in the middle of my story.

[00:20:35] Oh please, you tell yours.

[00:20:36] Oh, well, oh, I'm sorry.

[00:20:37] Just tell the sex thing quick.

[00:20:38] Jesus Christ.

[00:20:40] Sorry guys, he was late.

[00:20:42] I think Cameron is technically a very proficient

[00:20:46] skilled lover.

[00:20:47] I think he gets it done with...

[00:20:49] But there's no passion you're saying.

[00:20:50] I don't think there's any romance.

[00:20:51] I don't think he's one for theatrics.

[00:20:53] I mean he's a passionate guy in terms of his art.

[00:20:57] So, he has passion for it.

[00:20:59] It's the romanticism that when...

[00:21:00] We're going to talk a lot about him.

[00:21:02] He's very primal.

[00:21:03] When he's very lean they're cut to the bone.

[00:21:05] People make fun of his dialogue for being workman.

[00:21:07] I would agree with that.

[00:21:09] There's nothing in the movie that doesn't have

[00:21:11] to be there to tell the story.

[00:21:12] This movie doesn't have an ounce of fat, you might say.

[00:21:15] And Cameron's not going to light a candle.

[00:21:17] Except the lizard, honestly.

[00:21:19] Except the lizard.

[00:21:20] Right.

[00:21:21] And that one cute shot of the mannequin.

[00:21:23] But see when he does shit like that I feel like it's him being like,

[00:21:26] I guess a movie is supposed to have two things like this.

[00:21:28] Do you know what I'm saying?

[00:21:30] It's interesting because like I said before

[00:21:32] the movie's a slasher movie and I feel like...

[00:21:34] And he said this, like John Carpenter was like

[00:21:36] the hot director Halloween and these were like

[00:21:38] the hot small budget movies.

[00:21:40] And I think he would probably seen a lot of those and was like,

[00:21:42] my film's going to snap right into this formula

[00:21:44] except the villain is going to be a robot.

[00:21:47] Like you know, kind of a metal skeleton.

[00:21:49] That's going to be my weird twist.

[00:21:51] Can I confess something?

[00:21:52] I have the idea that like Arnold would turn out to be the good guy.

[00:21:57] You've got to wait until Scrimmanger 2.

[00:22:00] Right but I had this vague idea which I guess comes from the rest of the film.

[00:22:03] Yeah it's just seared into the air.

[00:22:05] Right but then he's just so not.

[00:22:07] Like he's not in this one.

[00:22:09] He's bad.

[00:22:10] He's brilliant.

[00:22:11] I mean we'll get to Arnie.

[00:22:12] Yeah sorry not to jump again.

[00:22:14] No no it's fine.

[00:22:15] So I had seen this movie a bunch but in its edited form.

[00:22:18] We watched both movies in their edited form.

[00:22:20] And this was the more edited.

[00:22:22] Skip there would just be a time jump or were there like bits of static in this one.

[00:22:25] It was a disaster.

[00:22:26] It would just sort of fuzz over for a second.

[00:22:28] But I mean like it was like the sex scene,

[00:22:31] the eye surgery you know like the sort of weird gory like self-surgery scenes.

[00:22:36] That's basically it.

[00:22:37] I mean there's still lots of like unbalance.

[00:22:38] What about all the women getting shot for no reason?

[00:22:41] Definitely well this is what I think.

[00:22:43] They kept that in huh?

[00:22:44] No not the sort of porny,

[00:22:46] not you know the slightly like ch-ch-ch-

[00:22:49] murder of the first Sarah Connor which is like really fucked up.

[00:22:53] Yeah and not the murder of the,

[00:22:56] because also there's the sex scene also where Rick Rasevich

[00:22:59] describes how he's gonna have sex with the lady on the phone

[00:23:02] with the girl with the roommate's name.

[00:23:05] Ginger.

[00:23:06] Headphones.

[00:23:07] I love that's probably what Cameron's like.

[00:23:09] The thing where he is like reciting.

[00:23:11] And she's like oh sorry sorry and she like hands the phone to Ginger

[00:23:15] and he's like, Ginger?

[00:23:16] Alright so here's what I'm gonna do.

[00:23:18] Like he just snaps right back to it.

[00:23:19] See I think Cameron sexually is not gonna do anything he doesn't have to do.

[00:23:23] Do you know what I'm saying?

[00:23:24] But I think he's gonna get it fucking done.

[00:23:26] Right and he wants to ring that bell.

[00:23:28] He wants results.

[00:23:29] Oh he gets results.

[00:23:30] Cool Oriented.

[00:23:31] There's no way he doesn't get results.

[00:23:32] For a guy who has made a career out of constantly setting

[00:23:36] a new benchmark of how expensive a movie can be

[00:23:38] and how much a movie can grow.

[00:23:40] He's not going home without scoring.

[00:23:43] No he needs at least in his mind he needs a trophy or a certificate.

[00:23:49] I bet he's invented like new positions.

[00:23:51] No he hasn't.

[00:23:53] One of them is called the Titanic.

[00:23:55] Alright what were you gonna say?

[00:23:59] No we were done.

[00:24:01] You watched it in advance.

[00:24:03] When did you see the full thing?

[00:24:05] In my college years I took a cyberpunk literature class.

[00:24:10] I may have talked about it on this podcast before.

[00:24:12] Great class, very cool class.

[00:24:14] Sounds good.

[00:24:15] And one of the things we watched was The Terminator.

[00:24:17] Good movie.

[00:24:18] Good movie and when I watched it I realized I was like wait a second

[00:24:23] I've like never seen all of that.

[00:24:25] I had later seen T2 as the lean times because I got it on DVD or whatever

[00:24:29] but I'd never seen it before.

[00:24:30] Yeah.

[00:24:31] It's great.

[00:24:32] Then I watched it again recently because I wanted to get joined

[00:24:34] and I was very excited for Terminator Genesis so I made her watch one and two.

[00:24:38] Then we didn't even see Terminator Genesis because I went to a screening

[00:24:41] and it's horrible.

[00:24:42] The worst.

[00:24:43] It's so bad but anyway.

[00:24:44] So I've seen it many times.

[00:24:46] You've arrived.

[00:24:47] So here I am.

[00:24:48] You know the full version now.

[00:24:49] How do you rank the Terminator films?

[00:24:52] I guess two, one, three, four or five right?

[00:24:58] No five four.

[00:25:00] Four is the worst one.

[00:25:01] Not true.

[00:25:02] Did Cameron make them all?

[00:25:04] No he made one and two.

[00:25:05] The others are.

[00:25:06] I mean there's a grand canyon between the first two and the others.

[00:25:11] I think we'll cover more on our Terminator 2 episode but like every five years

[00:25:15] someone else buys the rights.

[00:25:17] Someone pulls up their sleeves and they're like this is so why can't we take a crack at this.

[00:25:21] No, Terminator Genesis which is the fifth one is way better than Terminator Salvation

[00:25:25] because of one reason.

[00:25:26] Arnold Schwarzenegger's in it.

[00:25:28] You've made this argument to me and I disagree.

[00:25:29] Terminator Salvation is the one with Christian Bale and it's directed by McG.

[00:25:34] It's awful.

[00:25:35] The only good thing about it is the rent and that wasn't in the movie.

[00:25:39] That's you know the Christian Bale rent.

[00:25:41] That's from that movie.

[00:25:42] Here's my argument for why I like Terminator Salvation more than Terminator Genesis.

[00:25:45] God damn it.

[00:25:46] All right.

[00:25:47] Random the podcast John Henry was arguing why he hates Renge of the Sith most of

[00:25:52] the prequels.

[00:25:53] Which I agree.

[00:25:54] Right.

[00:25:55] He said it's the one that's most offensive to me because Phantom Menace is shitting on

[00:26:00] my lawn but Renge of the Sith is shitting on my doorstep.

[00:26:03] Sure.

[00:26:04] It so directly leads into the thing that I...

[00:26:06] So that's your call about Genesis.

[00:26:07] Genesis is so tied in to...

[00:26:08] It's messing with this movie.

[00:26:10] Yeah and it's actually like distorted.

[00:26:12] Genesis like travels all the way back to yet.

[00:26:14] And Genesis has like a new person playing Sarah Connor, it had Daenerys.

[00:26:18] Salvation is so its own thing that it's just like it's just a shitty movie.

[00:26:22] It doesn't like diminish Terminator.

[00:26:24] Yeah.

[00:26:25] Okay.

[00:26:26] So the Terminator 1984 Arnold Schwarzenegger.

[00:26:29] Oh sure.

[00:26:31] What I want to know is like why would a cyborg from the future have an Austrian accent?

[00:26:36] Well indeed.

[00:26:37] Yes.

[00:26:38] It's a question.

[00:26:39] There's actually deleted scene in Terminator 3 that explains it that's...

[00:26:42] Wait really?

[00:26:43] ...that's horrible.

[00:26:44] I love it.

[00:26:45] I disagree with you on this.

[00:26:46] I think it's a great scene.

[00:26:47] I think it's something where you see like what's the joke exactly?

[00:26:51] It's like...

[00:26:52] It's a boardroom of executives and he's...

[00:26:53] You know you're in the present day and they're like,

[00:26:55] Whoa what should the Terminator look like?

[00:26:57] The scene is it's a boardroom and they're watching a video that's Arnold Schwarzenegger in a military outfit.

[00:27:02] And he's like, Hi there I'm Sergeant Candy.

[00:27:04] Introduce my new Terminator.

[00:27:06] It's modeled after me.

[00:27:07] The peak physical...

[00:27:08] It's so weird.

[00:27:10] And it's like this high comedy scene and he's showing off this robot version of himself.

[00:27:13] And he like then turns off the video and turns around to them.

[00:27:16] And he's like, So what do you think?

[00:27:18] And there's this scrawny guy at the table and he goes, Change the voice.

[00:27:22] Oh no.

[00:27:23] It's the little one.

[00:27:25] No one wants it.

[00:27:26] It's like I asked that question but I didn't really want to do it.

[00:27:29] It's my number one favorite scene of all time.

[00:27:30] I complain all the time about the fact that it's not in the movie.

[00:27:33] It's not in the movie.

[00:27:34] It's like on the DVD extras.

[00:27:35] They cut it wisely.

[00:27:36] Incorrect.

[00:27:37] It should have been the whole movie.

[00:27:38] They should have released that scene on a loop.

[00:27:40] Rachel just nailed it.

[00:27:41] Like people ask these questions and they're like,

[00:27:42] Yeah let's do that in the sequel.

[00:27:44] Please never tell me.

[00:27:46] Yeah.

[00:27:47] Well I think his voice works beautifully because it sounds like a speech...

[00:27:51] Inhuman.

[00:27:52] That's like 90% of the way there.

[00:27:55] They've almost hammered out all the glitches but it's perfect for this.

[00:28:00] But it is a weird risk and it's something...

[00:28:03] So let me give you guys tons of context.

[00:28:05] You guys want some context?

[00:28:06] Just a little.

[00:28:07] So James Cameron made Piranha to the Spawning which is not a good movie

[00:28:11] and was taken away from him during the editing process anyway

[00:28:14] and we reviewed it last week and we never need to speak of it again.

[00:28:17] I'll talk about it a little bit.

[00:28:19] I'll talk about it once more.

[00:28:21] And then while he was making this movie which is very stressful

[00:28:24] he had a dream about a metallic torso like attacking him with knives.

[00:28:29] I mean same every night.

[00:28:31] He had that dream.

[00:28:33] You know the classic dream where your teeth falls out in a metallic torso.

[00:28:37] And so and he like this whatever you know this supposedly inspired the movie

[00:28:43] and he started writing and Gail Ann Hurd who produced this movie

[00:28:48] and has a co-writing credit and married James Cameron.

[00:28:51] After this film, right?

[00:28:52] And then divorced James Cameron.

[00:28:54] After Alien.

[00:28:55] Which was she the first Mrs?

[00:28:56] Where did she come second?

[00:28:58] She was the second.

[00:28:59] But she was the first who was married to like filmmaker James Cameron at least.

[00:29:03] Got it.

[00:29:04] So she claims she co-wrote the movie.

[00:29:07] He claims she gave him notes on the script.

[00:29:10] I feel like that's never been told in result.

[00:29:12] Yeah indeed.

[00:29:13] And then James Cameron is known for retaining soul, script credit

[00:29:18] and all of his movies even though he has other people working on it.

[00:29:20] He likes the written and directed by James Cameron.

[00:29:23] He is an auteur in his mind and he certainly is a control freak director

[00:29:27] who controls everything about his movies.

[00:29:30] But yes as you say other people work on his movies.

[00:29:33] What's your name?

[00:29:34] Latia Kattatoris?

[00:29:35] Kattatoris.

[00:29:36] He did a lot of work on Avatar which he acknowledges

[00:29:39] but was like I'm getting credit on this one baby.

[00:29:41] Here's a little, here's a little, I am DB Trivia fact that I like from my Amazon Kindlefire.

[00:29:48] That he had the first notion of the metal skeleton like ripping out of his chest

[00:29:53] engulfed in flames and then was like that's a cool image.

[00:29:57] That image takes place in the future.

[00:29:59] Sure.

[00:30:00] I don't have enough mind to make a future movie so it's got to be a time travel movie.

[00:30:03] So he will get 10 minutes of the future in there.

[00:30:06] That's kind of smart again.

[00:30:07] I want to send that back to a place that I can shoot without having to set dress everything.

[00:30:11] He early had the idea of like a liquid metal robot as well.

[00:30:15] That was originally Michael Bean's character and then he was like

[00:30:18] alright I can't do a liquid metal robot in the 80s.

[00:30:21] The only way I could do it is just literally pour a cup of water on the ground

[00:30:24] and film the puddle.

[00:30:25] So that is in Terminator 2 obviously.

[00:30:28] He comes back to it.

[00:30:29] So he settles on this idea.

[00:30:31] My guess is from everything I've heard about the script,

[00:30:34] everything I've ever heard was like you need human stuff in this movie.

[00:30:38] Really push them to strengthen the romance and have there be a little more of

[00:30:42] a story arc that's beyond like a male skeleton chasing someone.

[00:30:46] So I think that's where her contribution was strongest.

[00:30:49] I think that's good.

[00:30:50] For a little while I was worried it was like

[00:30:53] oh they literally only had the woman character in this movie

[00:30:56] to be a meat sack for breeding.

[00:30:58] But then by the end it's like oh she actually is taking an active role.

[00:31:03] She's the one who stays alive.

[00:31:04] And Rachel Waits, you see Terminator 2.

[00:31:06] Now I want to watch it with you because in Terminator 2 she's incredible.

[00:31:09] It's one of my favorite performances.

[00:31:10] But I was really like one over.

[00:31:12] I was worried there in the middle and then I was like oh it's okay.

[00:31:15] There is this weird element.

[00:31:16] He makes movies about women usually.

[00:31:18] Yeah most of his protagonists are female.

[00:31:20] Or at least half the time.

[00:31:22] Yeah and I think that's why it resonated with aliens

[00:31:25] because it's sort of the same woman.

[00:31:28] I did like watching this movie.

[00:31:30] I immediately went to Wikipedia and I was like

[00:31:32] was James Cameron raised by a single mother?

[00:31:34] Because there's something and he wasn't.

[00:31:36] But it does feel like.

[00:31:38] There's an appreciation for that sort of thing.

[00:31:41] Maybe he wishes he had been.

[00:31:42] Yeah.

[00:31:43] I mean I don't want to you know I don't want to

[00:31:45] psychoanalyze his relationship with his father.

[00:31:47] But I do look at this movie and like for a guy

[00:31:50] who is so masculine is so dominating right?

[00:31:53] He has like this sort of almost pornographic like

[00:31:56] reverence for mothers.

[00:31:58] That's the thing specifically.

[00:32:00] That's these like inhumanly strong personalities.

[00:32:02] That's the most heroic thing you can do.

[00:32:04] And I do think there's something interesting like

[00:32:06] because the Terminator is always categorized as like

[00:32:09] action sci-fi.

[00:32:10] Sure.

[00:32:11] We've already established that it's kind of more

[00:32:12] horror slasher than action slasher.

[00:32:14] The other thing I think it is

[00:32:16] is it is this weird kind of like fairy tale

[00:32:19] like this is his version of the Cinderella story

[00:32:22] in the same way that we like talked about with

[00:32:24] Jupiter's sending where it's like someone coming to

[00:32:26] like a woman who like even the introductory scene

[00:32:28] of her at like the diner and the kid dumping

[00:32:30] the ice cream in her.

[00:32:31] Yeah.

[00:32:32] It's such an early Cinderella thing of like

[00:32:34] oh mop the floors you have no value.

[00:32:36] She don't pay attention to you.

[00:32:38] Your boyfriend the guy canceled on her in the date

[00:32:40] you know she's got to listen like they really

[00:32:42] set up that thing of like she's sort of the latch

[00:32:44] key and then it's like someone comes to her

[00:32:46] and goes like you're important right like

[00:32:48] you're secretly this.

[00:32:49] I kind of hate that.

[00:32:50] I mean it's like who is this guy to walk in

[00:32:52] there and like hand her the gift of her

[00:32:54] significance in the universe instead of letting her

[00:32:56] figure it out for her first there's this scene

[00:32:58] where they're sitting in the car and she's like

[00:33:00] can you can you just like tell me what I need to do

[00:33:02] to like stay alive and he starts yelling

[00:33:04] he's like let me man plane

[00:33:06] Cyborg to you

[00:33:08] and I'm just like dude like this is a tough

[00:33:10] situation for her.

[00:33:12] Yeah I have a little empathy.

[00:33:14] Well it's that's think there's this closed loop

[00:33:16] of her creation that is bound up in her

[00:33:18] whatever Kyle is to her I mean her the father

[00:33:22] of her child and her son

[00:33:24] and like she's so important in it but also

[00:33:26] they are kind of

[00:33:28] it's this weird like thing where they're sending

[00:33:30] it all up for her.

[00:33:31] Right.

[00:33:32] But it is like I mean yes I do think

[00:33:34] I completely understand what you're saying

[00:33:36] the difference between you and I is

[00:33:38] I have seen Terminator 2.

[00:33:40] So I know it's true.

[00:33:41] The arc of the character and where it goes.

[00:33:42] It's true.

[00:33:43] I believe that.

[00:33:44] Right.

[00:33:45] That comforts me.

[00:33:46] Yes and this movie like you're correct

[00:33:48] they only really have her self actualized

[00:33:50] for five minutes.

[00:33:51] Basically once Kyle is you know down for the

[00:33:53] count.

[00:33:54] Right and you see her like sort of like

[00:33:56] I mean your Terminator fucker.

[00:33:57] She speaks Spanish to the gas station.

[00:33:58] Right.

[00:33:59] Good for her.

[00:34:00] Even just that final beat with her in the

[00:34:02] steel mill is kind of like you see her

[00:34:04] like pick up the gauntlet and be like

[00:34:06] she's capable.

[00:34:07] And she delivers the punchline.

[00:34:08] Yeah.

[00:34:09] Terminator fucker.

[00:34:10] She delivers the death blow, she delivers

[00:34:12] the punchline and then the coda is

[00:34:14] like you see who she is.

[00:34:15] Which is so crucial to the movie but

[00:34:17] we'll get to the end of the movie Jesus

[00:34:19] James Cameron.

[00:34:20] Correct.

[00:34:21] He has this movie he goes to Orion

[00:34:23] Pictures which no longer exists but was

[00:34:25] like a sort of mid-budget studio back in

[00:34:27] the 80s they made Sound of the Lambs,

[00:34:29] they made some good movies.

[00:34:30] Yeah.

[00:34:31] Made a lot of really bad movies but

[00:34:32] they made a couple really good ones.

[00:34:33] They made movies like this so you can

[00:34:35] imagine a lot of them.

[00:34:36] Made Hannah and her sisters I think as well.

[00:34:38] I think that's right.

[00:34:39] He had his friend Lance Henriksen who

[00:34:43] is in this movie as the cop the sort

[00:34:46] of skinny cop not in the movie.

[00:34:48] Yeah.

[00:34:49] The boss cop, the sort of sarcastic cop

[00:34:51] and he's a great actor and he was in

[00:34:52] Piranha 2.

[00:34:53] Had him put I want to get this right.

[00:34:55] He was wearing a leather jacket,

[00:34:57] fake cuts on his face and gold foil

[00:35:00] smothered over his teeth.

[00:35:01] He kicked the door in at like the

[00:35:03] production meeting and like to be

[00:35:04] like the Terminator.

[00:35:05] Like this is what the Terminator

[00:35:06] is going to look like.

[00:35:07] Wow.

[00:35:08] And they gave him four million

[00:35:09] dollars to make the movie and they

[00:35:10] later raised it to six.

[00:35:11] This movie costs six million dollars to

[00:35:13] make.

[00:35:14] Cameron's famously like one of the

[00:35:15] best pitches in Hollywood.

[00:35:17] He sells his movies really fucking

[00:35:19] hard.

[00:35:20] I mean now he sells it just by saying

[00:35:21] I want to make another movie.

[00:35:22] It is one of those things where

[00:35:23] people are like why can't people

[00:35:24] make movies like James Cameron

[00:35:25] made a crazy movie about blue

[00:35:26] aliens.

[00:35:27] It's like well James Cameron's go

[00:35:28] to get money and make a weird

[00:35:30] thing.

[00:35:31] Not everyone can pull that off.

[00:35:32] But he was also like a white

[00:35:34] man to start with.

[00:35:35] Doesn't hurt.

[00:35:36] Look I mean this is Hollywood.

[00:35:38] It's a 95% white man.

[00:35:40] Let's be realistic.

[00:35:41] But James Cameron did, I mean

[00:35:43] for someone who has escalated

[00:35:45] the scale and scope of movies

[00:35:47] more than anyone else has.

[00:35:48] He did work harder than anyone

[00:35:50] else to do that.

[00:35:51] No one wanted to give James Cameron

[00:35:53] a hundred million dollars.

[00:35:54] Even if he was a white man and

[00:35:55] they were only ever going to give

[00:35:56] it to a white man.

[00:35:57] They didn't want to give anyone

[00:35:59] a hundred million dollars.

[00:36:00] Aliens is the famous one where

[00:36:01] he walked on set and everyone

[00:36:02] was like who's this guy we hate

[00:36:04] you because everyone who worked

[00:36:05] on aliens had worked on alien.

[00:36:07] And they despised the fact that

[00:36:09] Ridley Scott wasn't making but

[00:36:10] we'll get to aliens.

[00:36:11] And yes there's an element of

[00:36:12] like white sesame privilege that

[00:36:13] he believes he can be that strong

[00:36:15] mind and get things done.

[00:36:16] He's the king of the world.

[00:36:17] But also no one else gets shit done

[00:36:18] like that.

[00:36:19] That's the thing is like he's the

[00:36:20] one guy who actually is just

[00:36:21] fucking like.

[00:36:22] What are you talking about?

[00:36:23] He gets shit done on such a scale.

[00:36:24] Lots of people get shit done.

[00:36:25] He's gotten some cool shit done.

[00:36:27] I wouldn't disagree with that.

[00:36:28] Wait what is your argument here?

[00:36:29] I'm saying I think James Cameron

[00:36:31] weaponizes his privilege more than

[00:36:32] most people do.

[00:36:33] Well that's...

[00:36:34] He doesn't rest on laurels.

[00:36:35] Sure.

[00:36:36] An accomplished like producer

[00:36:38] and so on and so forth.

[00:36:40] And yes he's a big swing and

[00:36:41] dick in Hollywood.

[00:36:42] But you know lots of people get

[00:36:43] shit done.

[00:36:44] Yeah.

[00:36:45] He just makes good movies.

[00:36:46] He just really gets shit done.

[00:36:47] Right but like somebody got a

[00:36:49] lot of shit done to make

[00:36:50] what's a bad movie?

[00:36:51] The Huntsman Winters War.

[00:36:52] I don't know.

[00:36:53] Like a lot of shit got done.

[00:36:55] Money was put on the table.

[00:36:57] Pitches were made and then they

[00:36:58] made the Huntsman Winters War.

[00:37:00] You can waste that much money

[00:37:01] or you can use it.

[00:37:02] He knows.

[00:37:03] You can get shit done and

[00:37:04] make shit.

[00:37:05] Can I just throw out that

[00:37:06] the movie was released in Poland

[00:37:07] under the title of the movie

[00:37:08] that the movie was released in

[00:37:09] Poland under the title

[00:37:10] The Electronic Murderer?

[00:37:12] Because...

[00:37:13] That's a really good...

[00:37:15] It's a great title.

[00:37:16] There is a Polish word

[00:37:17] Terminator

[00:37:18] that means an apprentice.

[00:37:19] Okay.

[00:37:20] So it would have been

[00:37:21] like the apprentice.

[00:37:22] The apprentice.

[00:37:23] Oh I see.

[00:37:24] So they couldn't say that.

[00:37:25] Right.

[00:37:26] So they call it

[00:37:27] The Electronic Murderer.

[00:37:28] But then seven years later

[00:37:29] when Terminator 2 came out

[00:37:30] at that point it had become

[00:37:31] so big.

[00:37:32] It was such a big thing.

[00:37:33] They just called it

[00:37:34] Terminator 2.

[00:37:35] It was a sequel to the movie.

[00:37:36] Apprentice 2.

[00:37:37] No they called it just...

[00:37:38] Yeah they just called it

[00:37:39] The Apprentice 2.

[00:37:40] But what about the fact that

[00:37:41] Arnold Schwarzenegger is now

[00:37:42] the host of The Apprentice?

[00:37:43] Oh shit.

[00:37:44] Kind of crazy.

[00:37:45] Think about it guys.

[00:37:46] Wow.

[00:37:47] Big Poland.

[00:37:48] Poland's strings.

[00:37:49] What was it going to say?

[00:37:50] Well a big topic of

[00:37:51] discussion in my

[00:37:52] Cyberpunk class is that

[00:37:53] he is not actually a cyborg.

[00:37:55] No he's a robot.

[00:37:56] He's a robot because like...

[00:37:57] A cyborg would be

[00:37:58] like a human with

[00:37:59] robot parts integrated.

[00:38:00] Basically like a cyborg.

[00:38:01] A cyborg you need both

[00:38:02] to live.

[00:38:03] You know you kind of

[00:38:04] one relies on the

[00:38:05] other.

[00:38:06] He just has like a flesh costume.

[00:38:07] A flesh costume.

[00:38:08] He's a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[00:38:09] He's a robot in human skin.

[00:38:10] He's basically like

[00:38:11] you put the drugs in the

[00:38:12] pillow you know

[00:38:13] to get the pillow

[00:38:14] like the drugs through

[00:38:15] customs.

[00:38:16] Like because

[00:38:17] as Kyle says

[00:38:18] like it only

[00:38:19] only organic tissue

[00:38:20] whatever it's surrounding

[00:38:21] gets through this time machine.

[00:38:22] But don't give the pillow

[00:38:23] too much cred.

[00:38:24] The thing that's getting

[00:38:25] you hired the drugs.

[00:38:26] That's the thing that's

[00:38:27] killing you is the robot.

[00:38:28] The skin's just

[00:38:29] that's what gets him

[00:38:30] through.

[00:38:31] But of course this movie

[00:38:32] doesn't work without

[00:38:33] the skin.

[00:38:34] I mean I love the part at

[00:38:35] the end where he starts to

[00:38:36] smell bad

[00:38:37] and like fall apart

[00:38:38] and the neighbors

[00:38:39] are just like

[00:38:40] what the fuck man.

[00:38:41] It's great

[00:38:42] and he turns into a

[00:38:43] zombie so suddenly

[00:38:44] it's like kind of a

[00:38:45] zombie movie.

[00:38:46] I like that.

[00:38:47] It has a lot of

[00:38:48] zombie which I guess

[00:38:49] the slasher movies kind

[00:38:50] of do too because

[00:38:51] the serial killers

[00:38:52] like Michael Myers

[00:38:53] or Jason or whoever

[00:38:54] will kind of turn into

[00:38:55] zombies.

[00:38:56] Like getting shot

[00:38:57] and then they come back

[00:38:58] up and they're sort of

[00:38:59] raggedy now and

[00:39:00] like maybe one of their

[00:39:01] arms is hanging weird.

[00:39:02] I mean well

[00:39:03] what's so creepy is that

[00:39:04] he was initially

[00:39:05] looked human

[00:39:06] and becomes less

[00:39:07] and less recognizable.

[00:39:08] Yeah he's got

[00:39:09] a weird eye.

[00:39:10] Yeah.

[00:39:11] I just let this

[00:39:12] This is a real

[00:39:13] basic thought.

[00:39:14] Oh boy.

[00:39:15] But I love

[00:39:16] when movies can take

[00:39:17] something that is

[00:39:18] not special at all

[00:39:19] and because of context

[00:39:20] make it have

[00:39:21] like a lot of

[00:39:22] weight behind it.

[00:39:23] Like what?

[00:39:24] So like

[00:39:25] like Sorcerer the

[00:39:26] William Friedkin movie

[00:39:27] where they're trying to

[00:39:28] get this truck full

[00:39:29] of like what dynamite

[00:39:30] through the jungle.

[00:39:31] You're watching it

[00:39:32] with our friend Ramona

[00:39:33] head.

[00:39:34] And at one point in the movie

[00:39:35] I was like

[00:39:36] oh but there's like

[00:39:37] not real dynamite on the

[00:39:38] truck.

[00:39:39] But you're

[00:39:40] when they cut to a close

[00:39:41] of the dynamite

[00:39:42] you get so tense

[00:39:43] but nothing's happening

[00:39:44] it's just a close

[00:39:45] above a stick.

[00:39:46] And so like

[00:39:47] the first half

[00:39:48] this movie is just

[00:39:49] Arnold Schwarzenegger

[00:39:50] wearing bad punk clothes

[00:39:51] and like

[00:39:52] you infer on to him

[00:39:53] the feeling that he

[00:39:54] is a robot because

[00:39:55] the film is giving

[00:39:56] you that context

[00:39:57] and it's like

[00:39:58] he's a murderer.

[00:39:59] Right and the performance

[00:40:00] is killing it

[00:40:01] because even when he's got the

[00:40:02] eye most of the time

[00:40:03] he's wearing the sunglasses

[00:40:04] over him.

[00:40:05] He's got his cool face

[00:40:06] what I want to know is

[00:40:07] where did he get the leather

[00:40:08] jacket?

[00:40:09] He does like an outfit

[00:40:10] change after his little eye

[00:40:11] operation.

[00:40:12] Well because he's got the

[00:40:13] punks so he's wearing

[00:40:14] the same jacket.

[00:40:15] Other clothes underneath

[00:40:16] it's the shirt, the pants

[00:40:17] and the boots are the same

[00:40:18] as the punk outfit.

[00:40:19] He loses the jacket

[00:40:20] the first jacket

[00:40:21] which is pretty lame

[00:40:22] and then he gets

[00:40:23] a much cooler jacket.

[00:40:24] So you know

[00:40:25] the version of this movie

[00:40:26] I would love to see

[00:40:27] is one in which he like

[00:40:28] gives up his murder quest

[00:40:29] and he just figures out

[00:40:30] the cool human boy

[00:40:32] how to fit in with the punks.

[00:40:34] That would be so beautiful.

[00:40:36] You're going to like the other

[00:40:37] Terminator movie.

[00:40:38] One thing I like about

[00:40:39] Terminator 2

[00:40:40] is that in Terminator 2

[00:40:41] he looks like

[00:40:42] Hell's Angel

[00:40:43] because he lands at a biker

[00:40:44] bar.

[00:40:45] What I want is

[00:40:46] in Terminator 3

[00:40:47] for him to land somewhere

[00:40:48] completely different

[00:40:49] and where

[00:40:50] gymnastics clothes

[00:40:51] just like

[00:40:52] Well but I love the joke

[00:40:53] in Terminator 3

[00:40:54] I'm clearly a fan of all

[00:40:55] the stupid elements of

[00:40:56] Terminator 3.

[00:40:57] Because Terminator 3

[00:40:58] is just like jerking you

[00:40:59] like that's what yeah.

[00:41:00] Yeah guess what I love those

[00:41:01] first two movies.

[00:41:02] Yeah they're good.

[00:41:03] The joke in Terminator 3

[00:41:04] is that like

[00:41:05] Terminator 2 he lands

[00:41:06] a biker bar so he

[00:41:07] immediately gets the iconic

[00:41:08] like leather biker look.

[00:41:09] Okay.

[00:41:10] Terminator 3

[00:41:11] he lands at a male

[00:41:12] strip club.

[00:41:13] Nice.

[00:41:14] And so it's like his

[00:41:15] you know seemingly badass

[00:41:16] Terminator outfit

[00:41:17] is actually just like

[00:41:18] a leather daddy's

[00:41:19] kind of like stripper suit

[00:41:20] which I really like.

[00:41:21] And let's not forget

[00:41:22] that like the first

[00:41:23] really amazing image

[00:41:24] of this movie is like

[00:41:25] his naked buns

[00:41:26] listening in the lamp light.

[00:41:28] And here's the thing

[00:41:29] we gotta talk about.

[00:41:30] This is like real like

[00:41:31] you know Schwarzenegger

[00:41:32] with like

[00:41:33] Yeah.

[00:41:34] He's not sexy.

[00:41:35] No.

[00:41:36] But he is like a specimen.

[00:41:37] He's beautiful.

[00:41:38] He's impressive.

[00:41:39] He's like an incredible

[00:41:40] building.

[00:41:41] Like he's a perfect piece

[00:41:42] of architecture.

[00:41:43] He looks like

[00:41:44] he should have like

[00:41:45] 30 Rockefeller center

[00:41:46] on his back.

[00:41:47] Like he looks

[00:41:48] like an art deco.

[00:41:49] It's like a nice

[00:41:50] computer you know it's

[00:41:51] like you can like

[00:41:52] eroticize it but

[00:41:53] it's not in and of

[00:41:54] itself an erotic object.

[00:41:55] It's just hard to imagine

[00:41:56] being attracted to

[00:41:57] that.

[00:41:58] Yeah we're skipping over

[00:41:59] something really major.

[00:42:00] We're gonna go back

[00:42:01] and I watch this movie in HD

[00:42:02] and I never

[00:42:03] certainly noticed this before.

[00:42:04] You catch a glimpse.

[00:42:05] You see some pecker in this

[00:42:06] movie.

[00:42:07] Oh.

[00:42:08] I didn't notice that.

[00:42:09] I noticed it.

[00:42:10] It's sort of shadowy.

[00:42:11] I was surprised.

[00:42:12] Maybe I had the brightness

[00:42:13] you know amped up too much.

[00:42:14] Maybe you pause it

[00:42:15] and like

[00:42:16] you know sort of went

[00:42:17] back and forth.

[00:42:18] But it was when he's

[00:42:19] walking towards Bill Paxton

[00:42:20] and the other punks

[00:42:21] I saw some like real

[00:42:22] like flapping.

[00:42:23] Swinging.

[00:42:24] Swinging.

[00:42:25] I wouldn't say swinging

[00:42:26] but he's got a little bit

[00:42:27] of a shit.

[00:42:28] He posed like nude

[00:42:29] and gay man.

[00:42:30] I guess he was used to

[00:42:31] that.

[00:42:32] He was a bodybuilder.

[00:42:33] We'll get to Schwartz

[00:42:34] in a second but I want

[00:42:35] to give you so

[00:42:36] Henrikson.

[00:42:37] Lance Henrikson

[00:42:38] that kind of

[00:42:39] readie guy who I

[00:42:40] love he was

[00:42:41] Cameron's first choice

[00:42:42] for the role.

[00:42:43] That wasn't going to happen

[00:42:44] a little too brainy.

[00:42:45] Sylvester Stallone

[00:42:46] gets offered the role

[00:42:47] because it's 1984

[00:42:48] he turns it down

[00:42:49] infamously.

[00:42:50] Mel Gibson gets

[00:42:51] I'm coming to

[00:42:52] the infamously.

[00:42:53] Mel Gibson gets

[00:42:54] offered the role.

[00:42:55] And the sort of infamous

[00:42:57] joke is that James Cameron

[00:42:58] didn't think he was convincing

[00:42:59] as a murderer.

[00:43:01] Now that actually makes sense

[00:43:03] especially since we've all

[00:43:04] probably seen made in America

[00:43:05] this year you know his

[00:43:06] OJ's whole image was

[00:43:07] he was like the Hertz guy

[00:43:08] who was like

[00:43:09] he was cutesy.

[00:43:10] One could argue his entire

[00:43:12] brand is I'm not a murderer.

[00:43:13] He was like I'm the least

[00:43:14] threatening big guy

[00:43:15] you've ever seen.

[00:43:16] Still to this day

[00:43:17] that is his brand.

[00:43:18] Yeah.

[00:43:19] So then they

[00:43:21] they wanted Schwartz

[00:43:22] they suggested Schwartz

[00:43:23] who had been in the

[00:43:24] Conan movies.

[00:43:25] That's basically the

[00:43:26] first one the second one

[00:43:27] came out the same year as

[00:43:28] this came out the same years

[00:43:29] as but he he was making it

[00:43:30] they rushed it.

[00:43:31] Yeah.

[00:43:32] So that was it basically

[00:43:33] all he had he was the

[00:43:34] bodybuilder guy.

[00:43:35] He'd been in that documentary

[00:43:36] pumping iron which was

[00:43:37] like a big breakthrough

[00:43:38] because he really cares

[00:43:39] Maddox funny in it

[00:43:40] and then he's in Stay Hungry.

[00:43:41] He's in Stay Hungry

[00:43:42] which is this little drama

[00:43:43] with Jeff Bridges

[00:43:44] but he got like a

[00:43:45] Golden Globe newcomer

[00:43:46] nomination is you know

[00:43:47] getting anointed people

[00:43:48] were like oh he could

[00:43:49] maybe act

[00:43:50] and he does Conan

[00:43:51] and Conan's big

[00:43:52] and they were suggesting

[00:43:53] weirdly they were suggesting

[00:43:54] him for Kyle Reese.

[00:43:55] Stupid.

[00:43:56] Which is crazy.

[00:43:57] And studio would be

[00:43:58] really hard to watch.

[00:43:59] Studios are really stupid.

[00:44:00] Yeah.

[00:44:01] And so finally apparently

[00:44:02] Cameron put him off a lot

[00:44:03] that's just what I like

[00:44:04] about that.

[00:44:05] I love those little

[00:44:06] movies stories where it's

[00:44:07] like you know it almost

[00:44:08] didn't happen

[00:44:09] and Schwartz Nager

[00:44:10] immediately started talking

[00:44:11] about like how he would

[00:44:12] do the villain

[00:44:13] like rather than play

[00:44:14] Kyle Reese

[00:44:15] and James Cameron said

[00:44:16] like wait wait wait

[00:44:17] stop stop

[00:44:18] and like started

[00:44:19] drawing his face

[00:44:20] and was like let me

[00:44:21] put some sunglasses on

[00:44:22] and then he was like alright

[00:44:23] I can see it.

[00:44:24] And they made the movie

[00:44:26] and Schwartz Nager

[00:44:27] thought it was going to be

[00:44:28] like a total piece of shit

[00:44:29] it's hard not to

[00:44:30] think this was going to be

[00:44:31] a piece of shit.

[00:44:32] Yeah on paper.

[00:44:33] You know the guy made

[00:44:34] Piranha 2

[00:44:35] she's got that

[00:44:36] like feathered hair

[00:44:37] right you know

[00:44:38] it's like you know

[00:44:39] a six million dollar movie

[00:44:40] about a robot

[00:44:41] you know I mean

[00:44:42] it just sounds dumb

[00:44:43] and it's called The Terminate

[00:44:44] like it sounds stupid

[00:44:45] and the one liner

[00:44:46] like plot of this movie is

[00:44:48] Time Traveler tries to

[00:44:49] impregnate a woman

[00:44:50] who just met

[00:44:51] before a robot shoots her.

[00:44:54] Yeah

[00:44:55] like that's the struggle

[00:44:56] of this movie

[00:44:57] it's like can I

[00:44:59] shoot a load before?

[00:45:00] I'll give you as much money

[00:45:02] as you want for that one.

[00:45:03] The first choice

[00:45:04] for Kyle Reese was Sting.

[00:45:06] Oh my god

[00:45:07] and instead they went

[00:45:08] for Michael Bean

[00:45:09] who's got kind of a Sting

[00:45:10] What a loss

[00:45:11] Sting line

[00:45:12] They definitely sting his hair up

[00:45:13] Yeah they sting his hair up

[00:45:14] I just felt like

[00:45:15] he was so

[00:45:16] he was so lame

[00:45:17] that it was just like

[00:45:18] like a pity fuck

[00:45:19] I don't know

[00:45:20] look you know

[00:45:21] it's a tough

[00:45:22] it's a tough situation there

[00:45:23] and they were just in

[00:45:24] I'd have sex with Michael Bean

[00:45:25] I think he's good

[00:45:26] at selling the

[00:45:29] mania

[00:45:30] like yeah

[00:45:31] Yeah he's a little deranged

[00:45:32] He kills the scene

[00:45:33] where he's

[00:45:34] like basically saying

[00:45:35] you know the scene

[00:45:36] where he's been taped

[00:45:37] by the police psychiatrist

[00:45:38] Right

[00:45:39] That to me is his best scene

[00:45:40] Yeah

[00:45:41] because you

[00:45:42] you don't see much of the future

[00:45:44] you do see these brief scenes

[00:45:45] of the future

[00:45:46] but like

[00:45:48] he kills you

[00:45:49] getting that

[00:45:50] Sarah gets

[00:45:51] like believes it

[00:45:52] basically

[00:45:53] Well it's also hilarious

[00:45:54] like because

[00:45:55] the police officer

[00:45:56] is supposed to be

[00:45:57] us like

[00:45:58] having someone

[00:45:59] describe the plot of this movie

[00:46:00] to us

[00:46:01] Oh you're like

[00:46:02] oh that sounds insane

[00:46:03] And I love that the

[00:46:04] what's the psychiatrist

[00:46:05] call to keep looking at us

[00:46:06] Yeah

[00:46:07] What's his name

[00:46:08] Earl Bowen is the actor

[00:46:09] Yes

[00:46:10] and he's like

[00:46:11] Peter Silverman

[00:46:12] Okay that name is nothing

[00:46:14] I love when

[00:46:15] he says

[00:46:16] like this is like

[00:46:17] such a great crazy guy

[00:46:18] story

[00:46:19] it's a total closed loop

[00:46:20] like you could never prove

[00:46:21] any of it

[00:46:22] like the robot's a guy

[00:46:23] you know

[00:46:24] like this is great

[00:46:25] like

[00:46:26] I can't disprove anything

[00:46:27] he's arguing

[00:46:28] I love that idea

[00:46:29] that it is such a logically

[00:46:31] crazy thing

[00:46:32] for someone to think

[00:46:33] Yes

[00:46:34] There's also a detail

[00:46:35] that I picked up

[00:46:36] in this viewing

[00:46:37] that I certainly didn't

[00:46:38] pick up when I was 11

[00:46:39] Sure

[00:46:40] Which is that like

[00:46:41] it's implied that

[00:46:42] Callerisa's a virgin

[00:46:43] Yeah man

[00:46:44] Oh true

[00:46:45] Who's gonna have sex

[00:46:46] in a world where

[00:46:47] he's a virgin

[00:46:48] and she's like

[00:46:49] oh honey

[00:46:50] That sex scene isn't real time

[00:46:52] Thank you Ben

[00:46:55] 10 comedy points

[00:46:57] I do think

[00:46:59] that sort of like

[00:47:00] you watch him

[00:47:01] you're kind of like

[00:47:02] who's this like fuck boy

[00:47:03] but it kind of in that scene

[00:47:04] like I think he's good

[00:47:05] I think part of the movie

[00:47:06] needs to work

[00:47:07] that he's sort of like

[00:47:08] a little bland

[00:47:09] Did you know he's in Greece?

[00:47:11] No really

[00:47:12] He's uncredited as a

[00:47:13] baseball player

[00:47:14] Well that sounds important

[00:47:16] He'd also been in Logan's run

[00:47:18] and not much

[00:47:20] Was he in anything after this?

[00:47:21] Like did this launch him at all?

[00:47:23] He's in the abyss

[00:47:24] He's in aliens

[00:47:25] He's in aliens

[00:47:26] Yeah of course

[00:47:27] He's the main

[00:47:28] Of course of course

[00:47:29] You can't like see anyone's face

[00:47:30] in that

[00:47:31] It's true

[00:47:32] I mean everyone's very dirty

[00:47:33] He's like the main

[00:47:34] He's kind of the same character

[00:47:35] Very much the same

[00:47:36] He always plays the same

[00:47:37] character for Cameron

[00:47:38] He's in the abyss

[00:47:39] He's intermater too

[00:47:40] in the director's cut

[00:47:41] Yeah

[00:47:42] But only for like a scene

[00:47:44] Yeah

[00:47:45] It's a good scene

[00:47:46] Is he in anything famous

[00:47:48] that's not Cameron movie?

[00:47:50] I believe he had substance issues

[00:47:52] After the Cameron run

[00:47:53] He's in the rock

[00:47:54] I know he is

[00:47:55] He's in the rock

[00:47:56] He starts appearing in action movies

[00:47:57] But in much more tertiary roles

[00:47:59] He plays more of a guy

[00:48:00] All the time

[00:48:01] Yeah he plays like

[00:48:02] corporate people

[00:48:03] and like you know

[00:48:04] like commanders

[00:48:05] in the fucking control room

[00:48:07] yelling out the orders

[00:48:08] and stuff like that

[00:48:09] He still works

[00:48:10] but he had this amazing run

[00:48:11] as like Cameron's guy

[00:48:13] He was gonna be in Alien 3

[00:48:15] for a while

[00:48:16] and then they run him out

[00:48:17] you know

[00:48:18] Yeah

[00:48:19] I mean he's Cameron's guy

[00:48:21] Cameron I feel like

[00:48:22] almost would just sort of

[00:48:23] do him favors after

[00:48:25] Aliens

[00:48:26] I just think

[00:48:27] Aliens is really good

[00:48:28] because he's very vulnerable

[00:48:31] Like he's very open

[00:48:33] in that movie

[00:48:34] Yeah he's appealing there

[00:48:35] Right

[00:48:36] And then Abyss is

[00:48:37] playing up the mania

[00:48:38] This is sort of the balance

[00:48:39] of the two

[00:48:40] It's alternating between

[00:48:41] the mania and the like vulnerability

[00:48:43] I feel like I've been hard on him

[00:48:44] but he is

[00:48:45] he's kind of cute

[00:48:46] Like I don't really

[00:48:47] I have no problems with him

[00:48:48] The problem

[00:48:49] No well so I'll say in Aliens

[00:48:50] what I like about him

[00:48:51] and I can't believe

[00:48:52] well whatever

[00:48:53] is that he basically takes

[00:48:56] Ripley's orders

[00:48:57] pretty quickly

[00:48:58] Yeah

[00:48:59] He sort of snaps into a secondary role

[00:49:00] Right

[00:49:01] That's what makes him a hero

[00:49:02] is that he's

[00:49:03] Yeah

[00:49:04] He's just like

[00:49:05] You know what's going on

[00:49:06] Yeah exactly

[00:49:07] In this one

[00:49:08] he's kind of

[00:49:09] not

[00:49:10] Luke Skywalker is almost

[00:49:11] an interesting comparison

[00:49:12] because even though Luke Skywalker

[00:49:13] isn't yelling at everyone

[00:49:14] all the time

[00:49:15] He is

[00:49:16] sort of

[00:49:17] just kind of grating

[00:49:18] for the first 40 minutes

[00:49:19] of the movie

[00:49:20] because he won't stop

[00:49:21] whining and complaining

[00:49:22] and asking like

[00:49:23] what's this now with

[00:49:24] He's constantly trying to move

[00:49:25] the action forward

[00:49:26] when the other characters

[00:49:27] don't really want him to

[00:49:28] Or you just want to

[00:49:29] subscribe and it's a slow down

[00:49:30] of like let's get our bearings

[00:49:31] You know

[00:49:32] And Kyle is

[00:49:33] also kind of grating

[00:49:34] because he won't stop screaming

[00:49:35] at everyone

[00:49:36] and asking what the year is

[00:49:37] and I don't know

[00:49:38] like saying we have to run

[00:49:39] I mean here's what I like

[00:49:40] about Michael being a lot

[00:49:41] in this movie

[00:49:42] and this like speaks to the weird

[00:49:43] alchemy of what makes movies great

[00:49:44] and all these things

[00:49:45] that you can't really control

[00:49:46] like

[00:49:48] I almost think

[00:49:49] a better actor in the role

[00:49:51] would have been to the detriment

[00:49:52] of the movie

[00:49:53] I can see this

[00:49:54] because

[00:49:55] the Terminator has to be

[00:49:56] like the biggest presence

[00:49:57] in the film

[00:49:58] Right

[00:49:59] You need a guy who just like

[00:50:00] pops in that way

[00:50:01] we're all towards thinkers

[00:50:02] just like this weird fucking

[00:50:03] thing

[00:50:04] and everything he does

[00:50:05] is like oddly compelling

[00:50:06] And you also need

[00:50:07] even though

[00:50:08] the script demands that Kyle Reese

[00:50:09] be the like force driver

[00:50:11] the plot driver

[00:50:12] for so much of the film

[00:50:13] You need Sarah to have

[00:50:14] the predominant emotion

[00:50:15] She's the one who's supposed to have an art

[00:50:16] She needs to be more important

[00:50:17] than he is

[00:50:18] and you need to want her

[00:50:20] to take the reins

[00:50:21] at the end of the film

[00:50:22] And so it's like

[00:50:23] I think he's good

[00:50:24] I think he fits the role well

[00:50:26] There's a thing that

[00:50:27] you and I have talked about

[00:50:28] briefly on this podcast

[00:50:29] which is a common complaint

[00:50:30] that you and I have

[00:50:31] about the media landscape

[00:50:33] which is that generally

[00:50:34] people are too good looking

[00:50:35] And it's not just that

[00:50:36] like genetically

[00:50:37] they cast people who are too good looking

[00:50:39] but also everyone's too buff

[00:50:40] they're like the shape

[00:50:41] I was thinking about this

[00:50:42] the other day watching TV

[00:50:43] I was like these ladies

[00:50:44] they're too pretty

[00:50:45] Everyone's too buff

[00:50:46] Everyone's all put together

[00:50:48] perfectly it's true

[00:50:49] And I watched this movie

[00:50:50] and it's like

[00:50:51] People didn't used to be so well dressed

[00:50:53] No, so like Schwarzenegger

[00:50:54] is like beautiful

[00:50:55] but also not sexual

[00:50:56] Right?

[00:50:57] But he's like a beautiful piece of art

[00:50:59] And then you look at Michael Bean

[00:51:00] and Linda Hamilton

[00:51:01] both of them are like

[00:51:02] attractive people

[00:51:03] but they don't look like models

[00:51:05] They're dressed down

[00:51:06] They're not like super posy

[00:51:08] And there's something about the fact that it's like

[00:51:10] Not to you know

[00:51:12] but fucking in Terminator Genesis

[00:51:14] Jai Courtney plays Calry

[00:51:16] Yeah and he's

[00:51:17] I mean it's the biggest problem

[00:51:18] with Terminator Genesis

[00:51:19] He's like swole

[00:51:20] I feel like there's been

[00:51:22] like a Who Weekly episode about him

[00:51:23] and I still don't know who he is

[00:51:24] No one will ever know who he is

[00:51:26] He's a big guy

[00:51:27] He's in seven major franchises

[00:51:28] No one likes him

[00:51:29] No one likes him

[00:51:30] He's fine

[00:51:31] But he looks like an army grunt

[00:51:32] Like he's very built

[00:51:33] He's very

[00:51:34] He looks like an army grunt

[00:51:35] He looks like an American Eagle Outfitters model

[00:51:37] You know?

[00:51:38] Like he's got this huge head

[00:51:39] and big blue eyes and everything

[00:51:41] Huge head

[00:51:42] And it's so big

[00:51:43] It's insane

[00:51:44] Whereas Kyle, I mean Michael Bean's head's quite small

[00:51:46] It's quite small

[00:51:47] But the other thing in this movie

[00:51:49] Well, finish your point

[00:51:50] Well I just think there's nothing relatable

[00:51:51] about someone like that

[00:51:52] And it's a place where genre movies go wrong today

[00:51:54] I think is that like

[00:51:56] The movies where you want really beautiful people

[00:51:58] are like your Cameron Crow movies

[00:52:00] You know you want to see like

[00:52:02] peak Tom Cruise and Renee Zelliger fall in love

[00:52:04] because it's a human story

[00:52:05] and you want to elevate that story to a higher level

[00:52:07] I think it's kind of an inverse relationship

[00:52:08] It's like the more the plot matters

[00:52:10] the more that's going on

[00:52:11] the less you need the people to be like

[00:52:13] gorgeous

[00:52:14] Because if the world of the film is so far away

[00:52:16] from the world that we live in

[00:52:18] the people in it need to reflect to you more

[00:52:20] Then like Jerry Maguire is like

[00:52:22] well I fall in love

[00:52:23] so I can watch people who are better than me fall in love

[00:52:25] And the Terminator you're like

[00:52:27] these people need to be like

[00:52:28] that shirt needs to be kind of shitty

[00:52:30] You know?

[00:52:31] Yeah well

[00:52:32] The Terminator is 3 through 5

[00:52:34] but this movie gets that right

[00:52:36] On the other hand I saw

[00:52:38] like Sarah Conner's outfit

[00:52:40] in the first scene she has like the sort of like blue

[00:52:42] windbreaker-y thing and these amazing jeans

[00:52:44] Here's this big head

[00:52:45] And she looks great

[00:52:46] I was like I want to wear that

[00:52:47] She does

[00:52:48] So to be fair

[00:52:49] I think part of that's hindsight

[00:52:50] No beef with Linda Hamilton

[00:52:52] Part of that's hindsight

[00:52:53] Like I do think like

[00:52:54] That's true

[00:52:55] These styles have come back around

[00:52:56] Right

[00:52:57] And there's just like James Albrook's TV movie

[00:52:59] that I'm kind of obsessed with called Thursday's Game

[00:53:01] Bob Newhart and Gene Wilder

[00:53:03] who get kicked out of their weekly poker game

[00:53:04] and decide to just like

[00:53:05] hang out every week

[00:53:06] So they like

[00:53:07] have time away from their families

[00:53:09] and their jobs

[00:53:10] so they just like take walks through the park

[00:53:11] every Thursday

[00:53:12] It's a really nice movie

[00:53:13] But the two of them are supposed to be

[00:53:15] like such like sad sack

[00:53:16] like New York pencil pushers

[00:53:18] And they have the coolest fucking suits

[00:53:20] in the world in that movie

[00:53:21] because that fashion

[00:53:22] just like sickly came around

[00:53:24] I also think like

[00:53:25] she's well dressed in this movie

[00:53:27] but it doesn't feel like

[00:53:28] she's wearing designer clothes

[00:53:29] No no

[00:53:30] She's not Carrie Bradshaw

[00:53:31] So she's downtrodden

[00:53:32] Very relatable

[00:53:33] Yeah, she like bought good shit

[00:53:34] from like a mall store

[00:53:36] You know

[00:53:37] And I like how piecemeal

[00:53:38] like I mean Kyle Rees

[00:53:39] looks like a fucking homeless person

[00:53:41] Yeah well

[00:53:42] I got really distracted

[00:53:43] He did show up naked

[00:53:44] Yeah

[00:53:45] Because he's wearing the homeless man's pants

[00:53:47] the whole movie

[00:53:48] Oh man

[00:53:49] How could they fit?

[00:53:50] What's in those?

[00:53:51] And they got pants splatters on them too

[00:53:52] And like I know he's from the future

[00:53:54] I know they probably don't have showers

[00:53:56] but like

[00:53:57] I mean they're all homeless

[00:53:58] in the future Ben

[00:53:59] Yeah they are no homeless

[00:54:00] They all sleep on like beds of skulls

[00:54:02] That crotchal region though

[00:54:03] is right

[00:54:04] And then she sleeps with them

[00:54:05] Sorry

[00:54:06] No but they had a shower in the motel room

[00:54:08] So they showered first

[00:54:09] They definitely showered first

[00:54:10] Then she refethered the hair

[00:54:11] She blew it out again

[00:54:12] But um

[00:54:13] My point

[00:54:14] I think another reason they have Michael Bean

[00:54:15] is that he's a little shrimpy

[00:54:16] Yes

[00:54:17] Which you need

[00:54:18] Because you need someone

[00:54:19] who's way smaller than Arnold Schwarzenegger

[00:54:20] And they do a great job

[00:54:21] They want to draw that comparison

[00:54:22] to what they can

[00:54:23] His clothes are so ill fitting

[00:54:24] Yeah

[00:54:25] Like even the shirt's too long

[00:54:26] and everything

[00:54:27] That long coat that he wears

[00:54:28] and you're just like

[00:54:29] And the shirt's all stretched out

[00:54:30] Like he looks so microscopic

[00:54:33] Yeah

[00:54:34] I mean but the only problem I have with that

[00:54:35] is sometimes while I'm watching

[00:54:37] and I'm like

[00:54:38] This guy like

[00:54:39] There wasn't like a

[00:54:40] more well fed guy

[00:54:41] You could send through the fucking time

[00:54:42] You have one shot at the time machine

[00:54:44] But when you watch that Courtney

[00:54:45] But he was pre-ordained

[00:54:46] No I know

[00:54:47] That's the problem

[00:54:48] Jesus

[00:54:49] And the other thing is

[00:54:50] My eyes hurt

[00:54:51] From thinking about time loops

[00:54:52] Sorry

[00:54:53] When you watch that Courtney

[00:54:54] it's like

[00:54:55] this guy's gonna make it

[00:54:56] He's fine

[00:54:57] I'm gonna do this

[00:54:58] and there's tension

[00:54:59] because it's like

[00:55:00] Michael B and you're scared

[00:55:01] Interminator Jenna

[00:55:02] Oh I knew he would die

[00:55:03] There was no question

[00:55:04] But I'm saying like

[00:55:05] in every scene you're like

[00:55:06] This guy can't really fend for himself

[00:55:07] Oh sure

[00:55:08] Like this could be it

[00:55:09] There's tension

[00:55:10] We have moments of moments

[00:55:11] Interminator Genesis

[00:55:12] Interminator Genesis

[00:55:13] You see the other side

[00:55:14] You see the future

[00:55:15] And you see

[00:55:16] Like they find the time machine

[00:55:18] And John Connor

[00:55:19] Who there is played by

[00:55:20] Jason Clark

[00:55:21] Yeah

[00:55:22] Is like who will go through

[00:55:23] And Jai Courtney's like

[00:55:24] I'll go through

[00:55:25] And he has to be like

[00:55:26] Pull off his shirt

[00:55:27] You know

[00:55:28] Literally the best body I've ever

[00:55:29] He looks better than Schwarzenegger

[00:55:30] In this movie

[00:55:31] And then he sort of like

[00:55:32] Takes his pants off

[00:55:33] And Jason Clark

[00:55:34] And everyone looks at his giant dick

[00:55:35] Yeah seriously

[00:55:36] And Jason Clark is like

[00:55:37] So

[00:55:38] Tell my mom

[00:55:39] Like thank you Sarah Connor

[00:55:40] Like those exact words

[00:55:41] Like we appreciate your service

[00:55:43] Like the future is not set

[00:55:45] It's like

[00:55:46] Okay got it

[00:55:47] I go in here

[00:55:48] It's the worst

[00:55:49] You've seen Genesis

[00:55:50] I hate it so much

[00:55:51] But it's like

[00:55:52] Call Reese in this

[00:55:53] You're like

[00:55:54] Watching this

[00:55:55] Right for the first time

[00:55:56] Since I was 11

[00:55:57] Where I have like a more critical eye

[00:55:58] I was

[00:55:59] Like the thing I was skeptical of

[00:56:00] Is like how are they going to sell

[00:56:01] The idea that they fall in love

[00:56:02] This quickly

[00:56:03] Right

[00:56:04] And the movie

[00:56:05] Pushes you along

[00:56:06] Like it makes you jump through hoops

[00:56:07] But I think the big key to that

[00:56:09] Is the idea that like

[00:56:10] Call Reese has had no life

[00:56:12] Like never seen a woman

[00:56:13] Practically

[00:56:14] Like his whole thing

[00:56:15] He's already sold on it

[00:56:16] Before he gets there

[00:56:17] Yeah

[00:56:18] Although I do love that

[00:56:19] The first future war scene

[00:56:20] You see

[00:56:21] It's called the front lines

[00:56:22] With a woman

[00:56:23] You see an awesome lady

[00:56:24] That's true

[00:56:25] She seems cool

[00:56:26] Cameron always does

[00:56:27] And it's like

[00:56:28] The thing that everyone always says

[00:56:29] Is like

[00:56:30] If you don't have female characters

[00:56:31] In your script

[00:56:32] Just like

[00:56:33] Make a character female

[00:56:34] You know just like

[00:56:35] Change the name of the character

[00:56:36] Make her female

[00:56:37] And James Cameron just like

[00:56:38] Does that

[00:56:39] Like there are just more women

[00:56:40] Per capita in his movies

[00:56:41] Than any other genre

[00:56:42] To be fair

[00:56:43] I would say a large percentage

[00:56:44] Of the women in this movie

[00:56:45] Get shot

[00:56:46] Within seconds of us

[00:56:47] Seeing them

[00:56:48] True

[00:56:49] People in this movie

[00:56:50] Yes you're right

[00:56:51] You're right about that

[00:56:52] I think he puts more women

[00:56:54] On the battlegrounds

[00:56:55] In a future war

[00:56:56] Than most filmmakers do

[00:56:57] You have to assume it's why

[00:56:58] They thought of him for aliens

[00:57:00] No question

[00:57:01] One of the reasons

[00:57:02] Or why he was drawn to aliens

[00:57:03] They see this movie

[00:57:04] And they hire him for aliens

[00:57:05] Basically is how it goes

[00:57:06] Like it's almost instantaneously

[00:57:07] Well I've heard a different story

[00:57:08] But we'll get to that next week

[00:57:10] But

[00:57:11] The thing I was going to say

[00:57:12] Is I like the way

[00:57:13] That Kyle's character set up

[00:57:14] Is like

[00:57:15] He's just been moving

[00:57:16] From like outpost to outpost

[00:57:17] Shooting

[00:57:18] Survival

[00:57:19] Like no time to develop a personality

[00:57:20] And you believe

[00:57:21] If he has that picture

[00:57:22] And like that's the idea

[00:57:23] Oh yeah

[00:57:24] He's like so preset

[00:57:25] On falling in love with her

[00:57:26] No but it's her

[00:57:27] It's more her falling for

[00:57:28] Homeless man

[00:57:29] With this really happened

[00:57:30] That's much harder

[00:57:31] Right

[00:57:32] But I think there's something too

[00:57:34] I mean I see watching it

[00:57:35] This time

[00:57:36] I think they're cute

[00:57:37] Yeah

[00:57:38] I don't really need them

[00:57:39] To be believable

[00:57:40] Like I'm not an idiot

[00:57:41] I know this is sci-fi

[00:57:42] Exactly

[00:57:43] It's fine

[00:57:44] It's gonna happen

[00:57:45] Go on

[00:57:46] Watching it this time

[00:57:47] I definitely understood

[00:57:49] Him falling for her

[00:57:50] Well yeah

[00:57:51] The sex scene I view

[00:57:52] Is more of a pity-fun

[00:57:53] Yes

[00:57:54] A little bit

[00:57:55] Cause even the way she plays it

[00:57:56] She basically says that

[00:57:57] She says like

[00:57:58] Are there a lot of women in your time

[00:57:59] She's obviously flirting with him

[00:58:00] At that point

[00:58:01] But he's like no none

[00:58:02] And then she's like

[00:58:03] Oh well shit now I gotta do this

[00:58:04] I mean he's literally

[00:58:05] He came back all the way from the past

[00:58:06] He's gonna die

[00:58:07] I also think

[00:58:08] She might have just figured it out

[00:58:09] She's like

[00:58:10] I have to have this future baby

[00:58:12] Like this is probably

[00:58:13] How I'm gonna have the future baby

[00:58:15] Cause like I've figured it out

[00:58:16] So yeah

[00:58:17] This is like a really fucked up first date

[00:58:19] Yeah it really is

[00:58:20] Now this is

[00:58:21] No

[00:58:22] This is their second date

[00:58:23] Their first date is when he

[00:58:24] Like

[00:58:25] At Techmore

[00:58:26] And there's Techmore and all that

[00:58:27] Then he is put in jail

[00:58:29] Then he escapes from jail

[00:58:30] Breaks her out

[00:58:31] That's the start of date two

[00:58:33] They spend the night in the little tunnel

[00:58:35] That's nice

[00:58:36] That's sort of the spark right

[00:58:38] That's their first human moment

[00:58:40] Together where he's not just yelling about robots

[00:58:42] And honestly he sounds better

[00:58:44] Than her other boyfriend

[00:58:45] Who leaves her the voice mail

[00:58:46] He sounds like

[00:58:47] No good

[00:58:48] No good

[00:58:49] This movie is populated with fuck boys

[00:58:51] Like this is an attective

[00:58:53] This is a toxically masculine film

[00:58:55] And I don't think that

[00:58:57] I'm not just trying to sound woke over here

[00:58:59] I think that is intentional

[00:59:01] Yeah

[00:59:02] Like it is a movie about women

[00:59:04] Who have to constantly look over their shoulder

[00:59:06] Right

[00:59:07] Especially poor old Sarah

[00:59:08] And like the slashery

[00:59:09] That's where all those jumps come from

[00:59:11] In the beginning, the fake outs

[00:59:12] Yeah

[00:59:13] And the slashery executions of the other two Sarah Connors

[00:59:16] Are a little much

[00:59:17] I would say

[00:59:18] But they serve a purpose

[00:59:20] Like that he wants you to be that uncomfortable

[00:59:22] He wants you to be free

[00:59:23] I like that he shocks you that much

[00:59:24] The whole movie is about this robot killer

[00:59:26] Who has no human emotions

[00:59:28] It's completely merciless

[00:59:29] And the movie acts like the robot

[00:59:31] It shows you this human character

[00:59:33] And it's like, well fuck them

[00:59:35] They're dead now

[00:59:36] Sorry

[00:59:37] Sorry, you were called Sarah Connors

[00:59:39] It gets the job done

[00:59:40] And that gets to like

[00:59:41] You know, it's so weird watching it in context

[00:59:43] That I'll be back

[00:59:44] Is like the famous line from this movie

[00:59:46] Because on its own it's just like

[00:59:48] Some fucking thing he says

[00:59:49] It's like a weird joke

[00:59:50] You know, but it's like

[00:59:51] It's all set up in context

[00:59:52] But it's like, because you know

[00:59:54] It's not a good line in and of itself

[00:59:56] It's just about in relation to

[00:59:58] What is happening in the movie

[00:59:59] I'll be back

[01:00:00] It's just something about the fact

[01:00:02] That the robot decides to say it

[01:00:04] I guess

[01:00:05] Because it's one of his very few moments

[01:00:07] Of any personality

[01:00:08] I think that's why it's so good

[01:00:09] Well and you know

[01:00:10] Because a couple times they show

[01:00:11] You his little screen

[01:00:12] Where he has five options

[01:00:13] Like it's a video game

[01:00:14] I call it a pass-all

[01:00:15] Right, that one's great

[01:00:16] And this one it's like

[01:00:17] I wonder what his other options were

[01:00:19] Besides I'll be back

[01:00:20] The punchline could have been something completely different

[01:00:22] Could have been four other things

[01:00:24] And we'll never know what they were

[01:00:25] The funny thing for me is that he

[01:00:26] Felt the need to say anything

[01:00:28] He could have just walked out

[01:00:29] And then came back through with the car

[01:00:30] That's what I mean

[01:00:31] But it feels like he's having a little fun

[01:00:32] At this point

[01:00:33] For someone who's been all working

[01:00:34] Well as we learn in Terminator 2

[01:00:36] That they are learning computers

[01:00:38] The more they stick around

[01:00:40] The more they behave like humans

[01:00:41] Like that's the idea

[01:00:42] The idea of the Terminator

[01:00:43] Is for it to exist in the future

[01:00:45] As something that creeps into your camp

[01:00:47] Not so much

[01:00:48] It's not built for the past

[01:00:49] But it's also a line where his accent

[01:00:52] Hits really hard

[01:00:53] Well he wanted to say

[01:00:55] Again this is like

[01:00:56] Almost famous show

[01:00:57] But he wanted to say

[01:00:58] I will be back

[01:00:59] Because he couldn't say I'll

[01:01:01] He can't say it

[01:01:02] He says I'll be back

[01:01:03] I'll be back

[01:01:04] And he was

[01:01:05] I'll be back

[01:01:06] I'll be back

[01:01:07] And so he's

[01:01:08] I'll be back

[01:01:09] Schwarzenegger really tried

[01:01:10] To convince Cameron

[01:01:11] That the robot wouldn't use a contraction

[01:01:13] That seems true

[01:01:14] Right

[01:01:15] But if it had been pre-recorded

[01:01:17] And written for his robot brain

[01:01:19] Like maybe

[01:01:20] Yeah and I think Cameron was

[01:01:21] Essentially like

[01:01:22] Fuck you, the line's good

[01:01:23] Say the goddamn line

[01:01:25] You know like

[01:01:26] He has 18 lines in the movie

[01:01:27] Yeah

[01:01:28] Which is

[01:01:29] It's not a lot

[01:01:30] It's crazy

[01:01:31] Well I got two points to make

[01:01:32] One is

[01:01:33] But he does a good

[01:01:34] Cameron's a guy

[01:01:35] I'll be back

[01:01:36] It's a thing I miss from movies

[01:01:37] And especially like

[01:01:38] Genre movies

[01:01:39] Yeah

[01:01:40] But like

[01:01:41] Every decision

[01:01:42] Matters, right?

[01:01:43] Totally

[01:01:44] Like I read Brad Bird

[01:01:45] In an interview once

[01:01:46] That he like

[01:01:47] Studied Fred Astaire's dancing a lot

[01:01:49] And Fred Astaire had really big hands

[01:01:51] And because of that

[01:01:52] He wouldn't use his hands

[01:01:53] That much when he was dancing

[01:01:54] Like you keep him down by his sides

[01:01:56] So that way

[01:01:57] When he wanted to like

[01:01:58] Make a scene out of it

[01:01:59] If he opens his hands up

[01:02:00] It was like a special effect

[01:02:01] Like it'd look weird

[01:02:02] If he did something with his hands

[01:02:03] And I feel like

[01:02:04] You look at this movie

[01:02:05] And like

[01:02:06] For how famous the like score is

[01:02:07] Which is in and of itself

[01:02:08] Very minimalist

[01:02:09] There are a lot of sequences

[01:02:10] Where there's no music

[01:02:12] There are a lot of long stretches

[01:02:13] With no dialogue

[01:02:14] Yeah

[01:02:15] You know

[01:02:16] Where it's sound effects

[01:02:17] And like movement

[01:02:18] And he knows like

[01:02:19] When to cut to a close up

[01:02:20] When to have the music

[01:02:21] Kick in

[01:02:22] When to have a line

[01:02:23] You know when to like punch it

[01:02:24] Yup

[01:02:25] It's very confident

[01:02:26] It's a movie that trains you

[01:02:27] How to watch it

[01:02:28] Because when he does something

[01:02:29] Like that

[01:02:30] You know it's of importance

[01:02:31] Oh this is gonna matter

[01:02:32] Yeah that's true

[01:02:33] And I'll be back

[01:02:34] That's an applause line

[01:02:35] And he knows that

[01:02:36] Right

[01:02:37] And he's just doing

[01:02:38] He's flashing his hands

[01:02:39] They're flashing the applause lights

[01:02:40] Right

[01:02:41] But there's

[01:02:42] In the scene where he's talking to the guy

[01:02:44] Behind the counter

[01:02:45] The fucking asshole

[01:02:46] Oh no behind the counter

[01:02:47] Behind the counter

[01:02:48] I love that scene

[01:02:49] Leading into the Albi back right

[01:02:50] Oh okay the police scene

[01:02:51] Okay

[01:02:52] I was talking about the weapons scene

[01:02:53] Oh that scene's a

[01:02:54] I love that scene

[01:02:55] With what's his name

[01:02:56] Dick Miller

[01:02:57] Yeah Dick Miller

[01:02:58] Yeah

[01:02:59] Who's a corpsman actor

[01:03:00] The scene

[01:03:01] The Albi back scene

[01:03:02] It's all shot at like

[01:03:03] Three quarters

[01:03:04] Like from the side

[01:03:05] And then just for that one line

[01:03:06] For Albi back

[01:03:07] It's fucking head on

[01:03:08] It's fucking head on

[01:03:09] Yeah

[01:03:10] Like he's almost looking into the camera

[01:03:11] You can't see what the sunglasses

[01:03:12] And then you cut back to like

[01:03:13] Him like entering in the ledger

[01:03:15] Right

[01:03:16] And then you cut to his POV

[01:03:17] Of the fucking truck coming through

[01:03:18] And it's like

[01:03:19] He knows what he's doing

[01:03:20] But like watching this movie

[01:03:21] The first 40 minutes

[01:03:22] Have so little dialogue

[01:03:24] Yeah

[01:03:25] And what exists there is

[01:03:26] Like stop

[01:03:27] Freeze

[01:03:28] You know like stuff like that

[01:03:29] What years

[01:03:30] Yeah

[01:03:31] And like Sarah's the only person

[01:03:32] Who's having like dialogue scenes

[01:03:33] You know

[01:03:34] And yeah cause even Ginger

[01:03:36] Like barely says anything

[01:03:37] She just said they're coming

[01:03:38] She's just dressing

[01:03:39] And or listening to her Walkman

[01:03:41] Right

[01:03:42] Yeah

[01:03:43] But even like talking to her

[01:03:44] And then we get to like the cops

[01:03:45] A little bit later

[01:03:46] And there's some like communication

[01:03:47] There

[01:03:48] I like it when the cops show up

[01:03:49] Almost because you're so tense

[01:03:50] And you're like

[01:03:51] Yeah

[01:03:52] Oh this movie is so crazy

[01:03:53] Oh the cops are totally comic relief

[01:03:54] They're great

[01:03:55] You're like oh some normal guys

[01:03:56] I love Paul Winfield

[01:03:57] I only really know him from

[01:03:58] Oh no he's

[01:03:59] I mean he was like a serious

[01:04:00] Oscar nominated actor

[01:04:01] Sounder

[01:04:02] But I know him from

[01:04:03] Having a big eel stuck in his ear

[01:04:04] Oh yeah

[01:04:05] I think of

[01:04:06] He's also the first guy killed

[01:04:07] In Mars attacks

[01:04:08] General Casey

[01:04:09] That's right

[01:04:10] Is he like literally the first guy

[01:04:11] Like that's just a disturbing scene

[01:04:12] He's the one who goes out

[01:04:13] With the handshake

[01:04:14] And then they all for the dove

[01:04:15] And then they pre-send

[01:04:16] And then they shoot him

[01:04:17] And turns into a skeleton

[01:04:18] That fucking movie

[01:04:19] Freaked me out as a kid

[01:04:20] Love that movie

[01:04:21] My brother Jamesy

[01:04:22] For whatever reason

[01:04:23] General Casey was his favorite character

[01:04:24] And he would always like

[01:04:25] Really want a General Casey action figure

[01:04:27] I don't think there is one

[01:04:28] There wasn't

[01:04:29] We'd like look

[01:04:30] And he'd be like

[01:04:31] There has to be a General Casey

[01:04:32] And many of the humans

[01:04:33] Let alone General Casey

[01:04:34] It cares about the humans

[01:04:35] Yeah it was Martian

[01:04:36] But he made the fucking Martians

[01:04:37] But he was like

[01:04:38] We'd go to stores

[01:04:39] And he'd like make my mom

[01:04:40] Ask the Toys R Us employee

[01:04:42] Like do you have a General Casey

[01:04:43] I just

[01:04:44] The first guy killed

[01:04:45] Played by Paul Winfield

[01:04:46] Paul Winfield

[01:04:47] Yeah

[01:04:48] Winfield

[01:04:49] Winfield

[01:04:50] I just love how

[01:04:52] Nice he is

[01:04:53] Yeah

[01:04:54] To Sarah but not in like

[01:04:55] A cheesy way

[01:04:56] He's just like

[01:04:57] Cheesy

[01:04:58] He's a good cop

[01:04:59] And there is

[01:05:00] Actually I thought this was

[01:05:01] Interesting there's like

[01:05:02] A scary cop moment

[01:05:03] When they're in the car chase

[01:05:04] And like Arnold has just like

[01:05:06] Crashed and run away or whatever

[01:05:08] And she's really scared

[01:05:10] Because she's like

[01:05:11] Don't get out of the car

[01:05:12] And the cops will shoot you

[01:05:13] Yeah and it was like

[01:05:14] Well if they weren't white

[01:05:15] They probably would

[01:05:16] I mean well this is a different movie

[01:05:17] But I mean

[01:05:18] Different movie

[01:05:19] No but I thought that was

[01:05:20] Interesting that it even came up

[01:05:21] Like that they used the cop cars

[01:05:22] In the chase that way

[01:05:24] When they didn't have to

[01:05:25] Yeah

[01:05:26] Yeah

[01:05:28] God I just fucking love James Cameron

[01:05:30] What?

[01:05:31] I'm just thinking about

[01:05:32] How great this movie is

[01:05:33] You're thinking about the cops

[01:05:34] The cop chasing

[01:05:35] Just everything is

[01:05:36] Just like he just knows exactly

[01:05:38] Like how much meat to put

[01:05:40] On the bun

[01:05:41] On the bread

[01:05:42] Yeah I guess

[01:05:43] You know on the bread

[01:05:44] The sandwich yeah

[01:05:45] How much skin to put on the cyborg

[01:05:46] Yeah he knows exactly

[01:05:47] How much skin to put on the cyborg

[01:05:48] How much dicta flap in the shadow

[01:05:49] It was yeah

[01:05:50] Yeah I just like that like

[01:05:52] He makes every single

[01:05:55] Thing count

[01:05:56] And there's this thing

[01:05:58] I think I talked about this

[01:06:00] In a previous episode

[01:06:01] But when I was like

[01:06:02] Helping teach kids comedy

[01:06:04] The idea that like

[01:06:06] It's sort of like juggling

[01:06:08] Like if you're setting up a joke

[01:06:10] And you give

[01:06:11] Every detail you give the audience

[01:06:13] Is like another ball

[01:06:14] Right

[01:06:15] You're asking them to keep juggling

[01:06:16] So it's like

[01:06:17] Don't set up a joke

[01:06:18] With anything other than

[01:06:19] What's going to pay off the joke later

[01:06:21] Okay

[01:06:22] And like Cameron like does that

[01:06:23] Like he just you know

[01:06:24] Yeah there aren't really loose ends

[01:06:25] In this

[01:06:26] No

[01:06:27] Like a closed loop movie

[01:06:28] And like the surplus

[01:06:30] Details like Pugsley or whatever

[01:06:32] Are just like

[01:06:33] I guess you need one piece of levity here

[01:06:34] I mean I would hate this movie

[01:06:36] If Pugsley weren't in it

[01:06:38] I love Pugsley

[01:06:39] He lost on you

[01:06:40] What did Pugsley do after this

[01:06:41] Did he work

[01:06:42] Pugsley

[01:06:43] Yeah

[01:06:44] Can we look him up on my TV

[01:06:45] I hope he had a long

[01:06:46] Pugsley the Lucid

[01:06:47] Illustrious career

[01:06:48] How long does a lizard live a while

[01:06:49] Right

[01:06:50] They could

[01:06:51] They have longevity

[01:06:52] Yeah

[01:06:53] What even was he in iguana

[01:06:55] He looks like an iguana

[01:06:56] Yeah

[01:06:57] And that was the hot

[01:06:58] Aby's pet

[01:06:59] The hot lizard

[01:07:00] But it just

[01:07:01] It's also I feel like

[01:07:02] It's just like a nice little

[01:07:03] Slightly pathetic

[01:07:05] Like garnish

[01:07:06] Yeah

[01:07:07] She's a sad lizard lady

[01:07:08] She's getting stood up

[01:07:09] And yeah she's got her pet

[01:07:10] To worry about

[01:07:11] But it's not even like

[01:07:12] A really interesting pet

[01:07:14] That is like a useful detail

[01:07:15] In establishing her like

[01:07:16] Sad sack life

[01:07:17] That she's going to be

[01:07:18] Swept out of

[01:07:19] Right

[01:07:20] Yeah

[01:07:21] The ice cream in the

[01:07:22] Specificity of the boy

[01:07:24] Putting the ice cream

[01:07:25] In like her pockets

[01:07:26] I love that

[01:07:27] I know

[01:07:28] But I just think that's like

[01:07:29] Good like you know

[01:07:30] Every movie

[01:07:32] The relatable character

[01:07:33] Their first scene

[01:07:34] Should be

[01:07:35] Their first sheen

[01:07:36] Should be Charlie

[01:07:37] But their first scene

[01:07:38] Oh no Martin

[01:07:39] Oh yeah no you're right

[01:07:40] Probably Martin's probably

[01:07:41] A better first sheen

[01:07:42] Yeah

[01:07:43] But then the problem is

[01:07:44] You're going to have to get

[01:07:45] To Charlie it's going to be a bummer

[01:07:46] It is

[01:07:47] Maybe you want to leave with Charlie

[01:07:48] And then oh here's Martin

[01:07:49] Much better

[01:07:50] This is a relief

[01:07:51] Of tick

[01:07:52] But I like every

[01:07:53] Character's introduction

[01:07:54] A movie should be them

[01:07:55] Spilling coffee on themselves

[01:07:56] Like I feel like

[01:07:57] Like a movie already elevates

[01:07:59] Whatever it's putting on screen

[01:08:01] Into such like mythic levels

[01:08:02] Yeah

[01:08:03] That like you want the characters

[01:08:04] To come down to earth

[01:08:05] The ones you're supposed to relate to

[01:08:06] And someone like that

[01:08:07] Where it's like someone put

[01:08:08] A fucking ice cream scoop

[01:08:09] And they're like

[01:08:10] Her apron

[01:08:11] Like that's the part

[01:08:12] That feels really

[01:08:13] Cinderella to me

[01:08:14] Is like this person where

[01:08:15] It's like her life fucking sucks

[01:08:16] Like this is like some little

[01:08:17] Moment that feels like

[01:08:18] An encapsulation of everything

[01:08:19] It doesn't even suck

[01:08:20] It's just boring

[01:08:21] It's just boring

[01:08:22] Quite dumb

[01:08:23] And you want to like whisk you away

[01:08:24] And she can't even

[01:08:26] You know

[01:08:27] She can't even

[01:08:28] Jesus Christ

[01:08:30] David

[01:08:31] Get a date for

[01:08:32] Saturday night or whatever

[01:08:33] But it's this inversion of

[01:08:35] Like the Cinderella myth

[01:08:37] Where it's like

[01:08:38] Cinderella is like

[01:08:39] Your life sucks

[01:08:40] You work too hard

[01:08:41] Now someone's going to give you

[01:08:42] Everything you ever wanted

[01:08:43] And this it's like

[01:08:44] Your life is boring

[01:08:45] And now I'm going to give you

[01:08:46] More responsibility

[01:08:47] Than any person has ever had

[01:08:48] Right

[01:08:49] Here's your destiny

[01:08:50] But it's a lot of fucking work

[01:08:51] And a lot of weight on your shoulders

[01:08:52] It's one thing I like about this movie

[01:08:54] That's better than Jupiter ascending

[01:08:56] Is that

[01:08:57] Yeah, I'll agree with you

[01:08:58] The term is better than Jupiter ascending

[01:08:59] You're going to go ahead and say that

[01:09:00] This film is a better film

[01:09:02] Than Jupiter ascending

[01:09:03] Like an 8.6 versus an 8.5

[01:09:05] I'll say this is better

[01:09:06] Than Jupiter ascending

[01:09:07] The better than the

[01:09:09] Cinderella story

[01:09:10] Retold in sci-fi terms

[01:09:12] Or the Wizard of Oz story

[01:09:13] Whatever you want to call it

[01:09:15] Is that like

[01:09:17] She's being burdened with something

[01:09:19] That is like

[01:09:20] Not, I mean it's exciting

[01:09:21] Like, but it's

[01:09:22] And it's not without

[01:09:23] It's sort of like

[01:09:25] It's sort of cool

[01:09:26] Yeah

[01:09:27] But it's also like

[01:09:28] This terrible insane burden

[01:09:29] That she has to immediately shoulder

[01:09:30] It's not like she's just being told

[01:09:32] Like you know

[01:09:33] You're an intergalactic space princess

[01:09:35] It's not a particularly fun destiny

[01:09:37] It's a thinker and you immediately go

[01:09:39] Like, geez what would I do in that situation

[01:09:40] But at the end of the movie

[01:09:41] You were still like

[01:09:42] Oh man she's pretty fucking cool

[01:09:44] In this gas station

[01:09:46] Yeah the headband at the end

[01:09:47] The headband in the weird cloudy sky

[01:09:49] And she's you know

[01:09:50] She's got her

[01:09:51] The dog? Where did the dog come from?

[01:09:53] Was that the dog from the motel?

[01:09:55] Did that dog die?

[01:09:56] Yeah where did that dog come from?

[01:09:58] But she knows that a German Shepherd

[01:09:59] Is like the right kind of dog to have

[01:10:01] Yeah good dog to have

[01:10:02] Good dog

[01:10:03] And he is in T2

[01:10:04] Yeah thank God

[01:10:05] Like because they go

[01:10:06] She goes to Mexico

[01:10:07] And the dog's there

[01:10:08] Yes yes yes

[01:10:09] At least a dog

[01:10:10] Yeah

[01:10:11] I don't think Pugsley's in it though

[01:10:13] Sorry

[01:10:14] Did you look up Pugsley's career?

[01:10:16] I did not

[01:10:17] No okay

[01:10:19] I'll just do it later

[01:10:20] It's crazy because like

[01:10:21] Even when I was watching this

[01:10:23] For the first and previous time

[01:10:25] When I was 11

[01:10:26] Yeah

[01:10:27] I saw the fucking liquid terminator

[01:10:28] I knew that he was the good guy

[01:10:29] In the second one

[01:10:30] Right

[01:10:31] Like I knew

[01:10:32] It was like the big twist

[01:10:33] Right I knew what was going to be

[01:10:34] Subverted from the first movie

[01:10:36] In the second one before

[01:10:37] I was watching the first movie

[01:10:38] Right

[01:10:39] And so I was like watching it

[01:10:40] Like okay let's get on with it

[01:10:41] I want to get to the part where

[01:10:42] He's a good guy

[01:10:43] Second movie

[01:10:44] Hang out with a boy

[01:10:45] But the first like half of this

[01:10:47] Before like he's gotten

[01:10:49] Fucking visible robot damage to him

[01:10:51] When there's like so little dialogue

[01:10:53] When the Sarah Connor scenes are like

[01:10:54] So like slice of life you know

[01:10:57] It really is just this weird thing

[01:10:59] Of like two men chasing her around

[01:11:01] Pretty much silently

[01:11:02] With very little music

[01:11:03] And just like back alleys

[01:11:05] And like ducking and hiding and shadows

[01:11:07] And it's like this very ominous

[01:11:09] Very creepy movie

[01:11:11] Where it's just like this lingering thread

[01:11:13] Like just before he has to ever

[01:11:15] Show what he's capable of

[01:11:17] Towards nigger does such a fucking good job

[01:11:20] Of just because I think this is his range

[01:11:22] There's a lot about pugsling on the internet guys

[01:11:24] Amazing

[01:11:25] Of just seeming so unstoppable

[01:11:28] Like it's just like

[01:11:29] He's this completely unwavering force of nature

[01:11:32] Which makes it hard to watch

[01:11:34] At least for me

[01:11:35] It's a very frustrating experience

[01:11:37] To watch like a bad presence

[01:11:40] Like a villain character

[01:11:41] Who just cannot be influenced

[01:11:42] In any way no matter what they do

[01:11:43] And cannot be stopped

[01:11:45] Like in any physically psychologically

[01:11:48] Yeah it's frustrating

[01:11:50] But it's also you have to imagine

[01:11:52] At this time when no one had done that before

[01:11:54] When so much of this movie was so new

[01:11:56] The splash of water this movie must have felt like

[01:11:58] To be like he's just fucking changing all the roles

[01:12:01] Playing first and loose

[01:12:02] I would like to see the sort of sci-fi spectrum

[01:12:05] That this movie falls out

[01:12:06] Like where it is

[01:12:07] I was wondering about that

[01:12:08] You know ET is right around the same time

[01:12:11] ET is 82

[01:12:12] I think Tron is the same year

[01:12:14] And I was curious

[01:12:15] I looked up when the first alien came out

[01:12:17] And that was like 5 years earlier

[01:12:19] Yeah

[01:12:20] Alien is 78

[01:12:21] 79

[01:12:22] 79

[01:12:23] 79

[01:12:24] And aliens is 86

[01:12:26] The thing which is another like

[01:12:29] Great mix of sci-fi and horror tropes

[01:12:31] Is 82

[01:12:32] Yeah

[01:12:33] And maybe there was that

[01:12:35] That's John Carpenter

[01:12:36] I mean that must have been an influence

[01:12:37] And this comes out only a year after

[01:12:41] Return of the Jedi

[01:12:43] I mean that's the dominant sci-fi thing

[01:12:45] Is like Star Wars

[01:12:46] You know

[01:12:47] And the idea of like

[01:12:49] You know

[01:12:50] I mean this sort of immersive world building

[01:12:53] Versus something like the Terminator

[01:12:54] Which is like intercepting with our world

[01:12:57] Well in the Terminator

[01:12:58] It gives you little windows into a world

[01:13:00] That looks kind of like Star Wars

[01:13:02] Like a really shitty, sad version of it

[01:13:04] Where like the robots have won

[01:13:06] I guess but like

[01:13:07] But there's like a rebel force

[01:13:08] And they're hiding out

[01:13:09] And they're trying to bring down these big

[01:13:11] Crawler machines or whatever

[01:13:13] They're pretty cool

[01:13:14] Yeah, they look, they're scary

[01:13:15] Yeah, they're scary

[01:13:16] Yeah, so it did not resonate with that

[01:13:18] So I'm gonna read you guys the entire

[01:13:20] Pugsley entry on the Terminator

[01:13:22] On the Terminator Wiki

[01:13:23] Oh my god

[01:13:24] Pugsley was Sarah Connors pet iguana

[01:13:27] He frequently escaped from his cage

[01:13:31] And appeared to give Ginger Ventura the creeps

[01:13:34] It is unknown what happened to him

[01:13:36] After Sarah went into hiding

[01:13:37] Appearances the Terminator

[01:13:39] That's it

[01:13:40] That's all you got

[01:13:41] There's a lot of complaints on the internet

[01:13:43] That Pugsley was not in Terminator Genesis

[01:13:45] Yeah

[01:13:46] That actually is a really big problem

[01:13:48] Yeah, which is a really sucky thing

[01:13:50] I already wasn't gonna watch it

[01:13:51] But I'm especially not gonna watch it

[01:13:52] Because of that

[01:13:53] Exactly

[01:13:54] Yeah

[01:13:55] It's cool movie

[01:13:56] Costs six million dollars to make

[01:13:57] The special effects are kind of crazy

[01:14:00] Yeah

[01:14:01] There's like two

[01:14:02] I feel like there's two things that sort of stick out

[01:14:04] And yet they are so cool

[01:14:06] Or whatever

[01:14:07] Like they're so scary almost because

[01:14:09] Like the weird robot Arnie face

[01:14:11] Yes

[01:14:12] That does her switch too

[01:14:13] It's so bizarre

[01:14:14] And where he's like walking towards him

[01:14:15] He looks like claymation

[01:14:16] Yeah

[01:14:17] It's a very weird visual

[01:14:18] You mean when the skeleton is walking

[01:14:20] Yeah

[01:14:21] It's stop motion

[01:14:22] That's how they did that

[01:14:23] Until they get to like the close ups

[01:14:25] Then it's a puppet

[01:14:26] But anytime it's full body

[01:14:27] It is just stop motion

[01:14:28] And they had like

[01:14:30] The Arnie character get injured

[01:14:32] So that

[01:14:33] Because they could only animate that skeleton

[01:14:36] If it was dragging one foot

[01:14:37] They couldn't have it like walk like a person

[01:14:39] So they haven't got injured earlier

[01:14:41] But it looks so

[01:14:43] Again

[01:14:44] Like it's like nightmarish

[01:14:45] The way the skeleton sort of like

[01:14:47] Creepily sort of like shambles towards everyone

[01:14:50] It's also notable that we haven't really progressed

[01:14:52] With robot technology since then

[01:14:53] Like the robots we make now

[01:14:55] Look just as stupid as that one did

[01:14:57] When they actually tried walking

[01:14:58] That's where we're getting to basically

[01:15:00] It's like on the Mount Robomor

[01:15:02] Like they kind of nailed it with this design

[01:15:04] Like there are a couple important robots in film history

[01:15:06] And then like I don't know what the last

[01:15:08] Important film robot was

[01:15:10] You know

[01:15:11] Wally

[01:15:12] Yeah

[01:15:13] I mean Wally's

[01:15:14] Like my favorite robot in recent film history

[01:15:16] But also like

[01:15:17] X Machina is it

[01:15:18] Oh X Machina is probably the best robot design

[01:15:21] Of the last 15 years

[01:15:22] That's pretty cool robot

[01:15:23] Because it's different

[01:15:24] It's like weird little like

[01:15:25] Right

[01:15:26] Like metal pods and then like sort of

[01:15:28] A card

[01:15:30] Yeah

[01:15:31] Chassis

[01:15:32] And it's also it's a

[01:15:33] Like tackling the uncanny valley thing

[01:15:35] It's having those two things exist simultaneously

[01:15:37] Whereas Terminator it's like

[01:15:38] The metal skeleton or

[01:15:39] He's got the flesh on it

[01:15:40] Right

[01:15:41] And when it's just the pieces

[01:15:42] It's like a weird sort of thing

[01:15:43] But like

[01:15:44] X Machina the beautiful thing is that

[01:15:45] Like it's whirring behind a human face

[01:15:47] Like you see the inner gears

[01:15:48] Yeah

[01:15:49] Wally's also like sort of just an appliance

[01:15:51] Which is like what I love about him

[01:15:53] Right

[01:15:54] He's like a kitchen thing

[01:15:56] But I do think it's like

[01:15:57] He's the best

[01:15:58] Wally

[01:15:59] He's like Wally's like actually

[01:16:00] Probably one of my like four or five best friends

[01:16:02] But I love Eve in that movie too

[01:16:05] Because she's so hot

[01:16:06] Yeah

[01:16:07] She's a hot robot

[01:16:08] Yeah she's a hottie

[01:16:09] And she's mostly hot cause her eyes

[01:16:10] Go from the one shape to the other shape

[01:16:12] And you're that's all the personality

[01:16:14] Like you need in a person

[01:16:15] It's amazing

[01:16:16] She's very sleek

[01:16:17] She's very sleek

[01:16:18] It's very minimalist

[01:16:19] It also is she's like

[01:16:20] Sort of an eye hovering

[01:16:21] Apple spoof

[01:16:22] Like she's got four pieces

[01:16:23] It's like her head and the body

[01:16:24] And the two arms

[01:16:25] And they're connected just through like

[01:16:27] Magnets or whatever

[01:16:28] Like they float

[01:16:29] We don't think about it

[01:16:30] Yeah

[01:16:31] Uh

[01:16:32] Robots are fucking great

[01:16:33] Robots are good I like robots

[01:16:34] Robots are like my favorite thing

[01:16:36] Robots

[01:16:37] Um

[01:16:38] Yeah but like this

[01:16:39] They just nailed it

[01:16:40] Like this is the best

[01:16:41] Robot design of its kind

[01:16:43] Mm-hmm

[01:16:44] And with every Terminator sequel

[01:16:46] They've tried to like

[01:16:47] Not the camera ones

[01:16:48] Cause I think

[01:16:49] What they do with the T-1000

[01:16:50] Is really smart

[01:16:51] But in Terminators 3 through 5

[01:16:54] They have tried to

[01:16:56] And even the Sarah Connor Chronicle

[01:16:57] Yes

[01:16:58] They've tried to like

[01:16:59] Update or modify

[01:17:00] The basic endoskeleton

[01:17:01] And it always gets worse

[01:17:02] No yeah

[01:17:03] They nailed it here

[01:17:04] And they've gone in both directions

[01:17:06] Like they've tried to get more advanced

[01:17:07] And it gets worse

[01:17:08] And then they've tried to make it

[01:17:09] Like the more primitive version

[01:17:10] And it gets worse

[01:17:11] Like neither one is as interesting

[01:17:12] As this

[01:17:13] Which is so primal

[01:17:14] Mm-hmm

[01:17:15] And it is once against this on

[01:17:16] Candy Valley thing

[01:17:17] Where it like looks so much

[01:17:18] Like a machine

[01:17:19] And it also has all the basic tenets

[01:17:21] Of like a human skeleton

[01:17:22] It is definitely skeletal, yeah

[01:17:23] Right

[01:17:24] But, but, oh god

[01:17:26] It's so fucking good

[01:17:27] I forgot because Terminator 2 opens

[01:17:29] Much like Terminator 1 does

[01:17:31] With the like prologue

[01:17:32] Where you see the future worst stuff

[01:17:33] Before we go to present day

[01:17:35] And like the first thing

[01:17:36] You see in that is

[01:17:37] A series of the endoskeletons

[01:17:39] Walking stomping on skulls

[01:17:41] Stomping on skulls

[01:17:42] Right

[01:17:43] They love the skull stomping

[01:17:44] Yes

[01:17:45] Look I just love the idea

[01:17:46] Like where would all

[01:17:47] They get all those skulls

[01:17:48] Like how they've killed us all

[01:17:49] Wally piles them up

[01:17:50] And we're all gone

[01:17:51] But they were like

[01:17:52] You know what keep the skulls

[01:17:53] Skulls that's great

[01:17:54] We'll make all the streets out of skulls

[01:17:56] They're great fertilizers

[01:17:57] And Wally scurries around

[01:17:58] He goes

[01:17:59] There was a nuclear fallout

[01:18:01] And a lot of humans

[01:18:02] Died in the

[01:18:03] Nuclear torso

[01:18:04] Why would they just

[01:18:05] Lieing around there

[01:18:07] Waiting to like decompose

[01:18:09] So the robots piled them up

[01:18:11] For effectiveness

[01:18:13] To scare the rest of the remaining humans

[01:18:15] Is there a femur pile somewhere?

[01:18:16] Do they ever step on them?

[01:18:17] Do they ever step on them?

[01:18:18] Okay

[01:18:19] Of course

[01:18:20] So you mean like

[01:18:21] It's like a recycling plant

[01:18:22] Oh the spine yards over there

[01:18:23] They're sectioning it all out

[01:18:24] There's spine yards down to the right

[01:18:25] Half a mile

[01:18:26] Take it down the road Bill

[01:18:28] Wouldn't it be great

[01:18:29] If the terminator was called Bill?

[01:18:33] Wait does he doesn't have a name

[01:18:34] Does he?

[01:18:35] The terminator is the terminator

[01:18:36] I'll be Bill

[01:18:38] Oh dear

[01:18:39] Hey

[01:18:40] Hey

[01:18:41] Half a comedy point

[01:18:42] Hey

[01:18:43] Guys

[01:18:44] Yeah

[01:18:45] This future world

[01:18:46] Is kind of like

[01:18:48] The kind of German expressionism films

[01:18:51] You mean like

[01:18:52] The cabinet of Dr. Caligari over here

[01:18:54] That was like the one smart thing

[01:18:56] I thought I could say

[01:18:57] That's really smart

[01:18:58] Thank you so much

[01:18:59] Well there's definitely an element

[01:19:01] Of like his budget was

[01:19:02] He was so restrained by his budget

[01:19:04] Small budget, very small

[01:19:05] That he has to like

[01:19:06] The only small budget movie ever made

[01:19:07] Unless you're talking

[01:19:08] Prana too

[01:19:09] But he had to use so much

[01:19:11] Suggestion to make the world

[01:19:13] Feel bigger than it is

[01:19:14] So a lot of it's in like

[01:19:15] Lighting

[01:19:16] Yeah there's like two shots in that

[01:19:17] You're correct about Ben

[01:19:18] Yeah cause he like has to like

[01:19:19] Hit it from certain ways

[01:19:20] To infer that there is

[01:19:21] A lot more of what you're seeing

[01:19:23] Happening outside of it

[01:19:24] Like he goes closer in

[01:19:25] On the future war sequences

[01:19:27] Than the rest of the movie

[01:19:28] Which are more wide shots

[01:19:29] Yeah

[01:19:30] Because it's like

[01:19:31] He can afford to have like

[01:19:32] Michael Bean's head

[01:19:33] A pile of skulls

[01:19:34] Sure

[01:19:35] And then like one robot thing

[01:19:36] And a dog

[01:19:37] And some lasers

[01:19:38] And then lasers and smoke

[01:19:39] Yeah it looks like a laser tagarin

[01:19:40] Love those lasers

[01:19:41] It does look

[01:19:42] I feel like all laser tagarin

[01:19:43] Like took their aesthetic

[01:19:44] From the terminator

[01:19:45] Cause it's all like

[01:19:46] Shredded clothes

[01:19:47] And like well there's a lot

[01:19:48] Of more day glow

[01:19:49] In laser tag

[01:19:50] Yeah

[01:19:51] So I take my comment back

[01:19:52] But Technoir looks pretty

[01:19:53] Laser tag

[01:19:54] Technoir

[01:19:55] I love it

[01:19:56] I think if that club existed

[01:19:57] Now in New York

[01:19:58] I would be there every night

[01:19:59] It'd be a huge hit

[01:20:00] They have the fucking

[01:20:01] Fight Club themed bar here

[01:20:03] And then it's open at

[01:20:04] Tim Burton Bar

[01:20:05] Why isn't someone opening

[01:20:06] Technoir

[01:20:07] Someone needs to open Technoir

[01:20:08] Maybe this is our destiny

[01:20:09] I do love it when she says

[01:20:10] I'm at Technoir

[01:20:11] And Paul Wynfield's like

[01:20:13] Hey Technoir

[01:20:14] Yeah Shredded over Tuesday

[01:20:15] Yeah

[01:20:16] Taco Tuesdays

[01:20:17] I love them at Technoir

[01:20:18] Oh they got great trivia

[01:20:21] You talking about the tech trivia

[01:20:22] It's such a lean movie

[01:20:23] We've actually covered

[01:20:25] Every major plot beat

[01:20:26] Because there's only four

[01:20:28] Like it is such a lean

[01:20:30] And it's not even

[01:20:31] It's silent chasing

[01:20:32] That's the thing

[01:20:33] It's really a chase movie

[01:20:34] You know

[01:20:35] The thing I was going to say

[01:20:36] About the skeleton

[01:20:37] Is I forgot that you don't see

[01:20:38] Until the end of the movie

[01:20:39] I forgot that they didn't foreshadow it

[01:20:40] In the future war sequences

[01:20:41] And they keep that toly off base

[01:20:43] So the idea that like

[01:20:44] You don't know what's fucking under there

[01:20:46] The first time when you see

[01:20:47] Like his burning body

[01:20:49] And then you see this skull

[01:20:50] Like in silhouette underneath

[01:20:52] But you think he's done for

[01:20:54] Yeah that's cool

[01:20:55] When he looks almost like

[01:20:56] A shop mannequin basically

[01:20:57] Yeah

[01:20:58] Well this podcast isn't

[01:20:59] Exercising us

[01:21:00] Like playing dumb

[01:21:01] And pretending that

[01:21:02] Yeah this is the point

[01:21:03] Yeah

[01:21:04] Well Rachel you were pretty

[01:21:05] New to it right

[01:21:06] Totally new

[01:21:07] Did you know

[01:21:08] When he was an idiot

[01:21:09] I mean I knew okay

[01:21:10] I knew he was a robot

[01:21:12] Right

[01:21:13] Did you know he was going to look

[01:21:14] Like that skeleton though

[01:21:15] I don't think I had that exact image

[01:21:17] That's awesome

[01:21:18] That is pretty cool

[01:21:19] Cause I feel like I had already

[01:21:20] Seen like toys and shit

[01:21:21] Before I watched

[01:21:22] Sure

[01:21:23] I don't know it's like a game

[01:21:24] An image

[01:21:25] It's not like the most

[01:21:26] Psychonic images

[01:21:27] I think the one I'd seen

[01:21:28] Is like red after he takes out his eye

[01:21:29] Yeah

[01:21:30] The red eye

[01:21:31] Right

[01:21:32] That's what I know

[01:21:33] That's what I think of

[01:21:34] For Terminator

[01:21:35] Absolutely that is the main

[01:21:36] Terminator thing

[01:21:37] That's what I get back to

[01:21:38] I know I already said this

[01:21:39] Once again speaking to like

[01:21:40] These ephemeral things

[01:21:41] That make movies great

[01:21:42] That you can't control

[01:21:43] The fact that the robot

[01:21:44] Arnold head is so bad

[01:21:46] Works in the movies favor

[01:21:48] I know it's true

[01:21:49] It wouldn't work in 99% of movies

[01:21:51] Like they'll cut between

[01:21:52] Real him from one angle

[01:21:53] And then robot him from a different

[01:21:55] Angle and they don't match at all

[01:21:57] But the robot him

[01:21:58] Like does its job

[01:22:00] Because it makes him a creepy

[01:22:01] Robot man

[01:22:02] Yeah

[01:22:03] Like it sells that he's

[01:22:04] A creepy robot

[01:22:05] Yeah it does

[01:22:06] Yeah

[01:22:07] It's so cool

[01:22:08] I just imagine watching this for the first time

[01:22:10] Like knowing nothing and being like

[01:22:11] Why is he putting a knife into his eye?

[01:22:13] Oh my god because he's got a red robot eye

[01:22:15] It is very

[01:22:16] I was really

[01:22:17] I don't like eye stuff

[01:22:18] It's my least favorite thing in movies

[01:22:20] I really

[01:22:21] But in Minority Report

[01:22:23] That scene I can

[01:22:24] I still can't watch it

[01:22:25] I still can't do it

[01:22:26] Eye stuff can really bug me

[01:22:27] Yeah I move in

[01:22:28] Eye shit's my biggest

[01:22:29] And he takes his eye out

[01:22:30] It's true

[01:22:31] I can deal with it

[01:22:32] Because it's not really as I

[01:22:33] I felt okay with it

[01:22:34] Yeah cause I knew going in

[01:22:35] I was like it's fine

[01:22:36] It's like tin foil under there

[01:22:37] But it's still a little gritty

[01:22:38] It's gold foil on the teeth

[01:22:39] It's a little gritty

[01:22:40] It's a little gritty

[01:22:41] Trying to think of

[01:22:42] Orion Films asked for

[01:22:44] Reese to have a canine dog

[01:22:46] A canine android dog

[01:22:48] Like companion

[01:22:50] Like dinomut?

[01:22:51] Yeah and James Cameron said no

[01:22:53] That was their only note

[01:22:55] They're like you know what this film needs

[01:22:58] Looks good except for

[01:23:00] What is so love

[01:23:01] If he had a six million dollar budget

[01:23:03] In 1984

[01:23:04] A robot dog would have cost them

[01:23:06] Three million dollars

[01:23:07] Maybe it's just a regular dog

[01:23:08] But he's like

[01:23:09] Dressed up like a robot

[01:23:10] Underneath

[01:23:11] Do you think we could go through

[01:23:13] A man and a dog

[01:23:14] Yeah

[01:23:16] I'm trying to find some like

[01:23:18] Fun things about this movie

[01:23:21] Instead of a dog they should have

[01:23:22] Done a lizard

[01:23:23] Yeah thank you

[01:23:24] Cyborg lizard

[01:23:25] Puzzly too

[01:23:26] That would be like a good

[01:23:27] If they ever wanted to make a

[01:23:28] Terminator sequel

[01:23:29] What if Puzzly turned out

[01:23:31] To have been a robot lizard

[01:23:33] The whole time

[01:23:34] Yeah maybe he was planted there

[01:23:35] By cyberdine systems

[01:23:36] There's no way to know

[01:23:37] I'm saying Genesis with it's like

[01:23:38] Let's go back to the first movie

[01:23:39] And redo it from a different

[01:23:40] Angle thing

[01:23:41] Yeah

[01:23:42] Like my take on

[01:23:43] My pitch for Terminator Genesis

[01:23:45] Would have been Puzzly's

[01:23:46] The Terminator

[01:23:47] Before Kyle or the Terminator

[01:23:49] Get there

[01:23:50] The lizard just starts

[01:23:52] Very meticulously

[01:23:53] Slowly killing her

[01:23:55] It's like when she isn't looking

[01:23:57] It's like an 80 to 90 year process

[01:23:59] Puzzly like

[01:24:00] His droppings are like

[01:24:01] The obnoxious gas capsules

[01:24:03] Right

[01:24:04] Yeah

[01:24:05] That's why he keeps escaping

[01:24:06] He's like trying to launch phase two

[01:24:08] He pees in her water

[01:24:10] Like Ginger's kind of on to him

[01:24:11] But she can't explain why

[01:24:13] She can't hear herself

[01:24:14] Because she got headphones on

[01:24:16] Poor Ginger

[01:24:17] Poor Ginger

[01:24:18] I like that they give Ginger

[01:24:19] A moment where she's like

[01:24:20] It's Ginger and they're like

[01:24:21] Yeah Ginger didn't make it

[01:24:22] Sorry buddy

[01:24:24] Iguana

[01:24:25] I do love

[01:24:26] Can I just say something

[01:24:27] The film was shot in Los Angeles

[01:24:29] That's a little tidbit for you guys

[01:24:31] Alright

[01:24:32] Not to get back to the sex thing

[01:24:33] Because I know it's

[01:24:34] No, come on

[01:24:35] But I do like that

[01:24:36] Because it's a weird thing

[01:24:37] I've never seen ever

[01:24:39] In the sex scene between Ginger

[01:24:41] And her shitty boyfriend

[01:24:42] He is under her shirt

[01:24:44] Wait, really?

[01:24:45] Yeah

[01:24:46] Like his whole body is under her shirt

[01:24:48] Yeah, so she's wearing her shirt

[01:24:50] Shirts were bigger back then

[01:24:52] It's like a tank top

[01:24:53] But they're stretchy

[01:24:54] People like stretchy fabric

[01:24:56] It's like a stretchy loose tank top

[01:24:57] And she's got her headphones on

[01:24:58] That's the start of the sex scene

[01:25:00] And then you see him crawl up through the neck hole

[01:25:02] He also gets to the shirt

[01:25:03] His whole body is in

[01:25:05] I don't know how I missed that

[01:25:06] He likes that the Walkman song

[01:25:08] Oh yeah

[01:25:09] Where she has to take it off

[01:25:10] Or something

[01:25:11] And she puts it back on

[01:25:12] He's like

[01:25:13] That seems like kind of a good way to do it

[01:25:15] You got one person listening

[01:25:16] Like what if you want to listen

[01:25:17] In different things

[01:25:18] Fair enough

[01:25:19] Yeah, it's like those silent raves

[01:25:20] The people go to

[01:25:21] Who gets to decide the soundtrack

[01:25:23] Rick Rossovich

[01:25:24] Who's later in Topka

[01:25:25] Rick Rossovich

[01:25:26] I got a

[01:25:28] I keep thinking you're going to say something about Rick Ross

[01:25:30] I missed him

[01:25:31] Rick Ross is in this movie playing the Terminator

[01:25:35] He is Slider in Topka

[01:25:37] I have a good trivia fact here

[01:25:39] Sure

[01:25:40] Let me just

[01:25:41] I mean real trivia fact is Linda Hamilton

[01:25:43] Sprained her ankle

[01:25:44] Yeah

[01:25:45] Before filming even started

[01:25:46] So they had to like move

[01:25:47] All the scenes of her running

[01:25:48] To the end of shooting

[01:25:49] That's a lot of scenes

[01:25:50] A lot of running

[01:25:51] Yeah, a lot of running she does

[01:25:52] That covers a lot of territory

[01:25:54] Like you would want to structure that

[01:25:56] Filming around location

[01:25:57] Yeah, I think she was in pain the whole time

[01:25:59] I think so too

[01:26:00] Which works for the movie

[01:26:01] I'm not happy she was in pain

[01:26:03] But you know

[01:26:04] Art of suffering, yeah

[01:26:06] Go ahead

[01:26:07] General trivia

[01:26:08] Spoiler alert

[01:26:09] The smoke flowing out of the Terminator

[01:26:11] When it is crushed in the hydraulic press

[01:26:13] Is actually cigarette smoke

[01:26:15] So let's talk about this

[01:26:16] What does that mean?

[01:26:17] Like they just lit a bunch of cigarettes

[01:26:19] Like they didn't have a smoke machine or something

[01:26:21] That seems so inefficient

[01:26:22] I'm picturing

[01:26:23] Seriously

[01:26:24] Cigarettes are expensive

[01:26:25] Yeah

[01:26:26] It's like ten bucks a pack

[01:26:27] I'm picturing that like

[01:26:28] Wait, a second hand smoke

[01:26:29] But I'm picturing

[01:26:30] Because there's so much fog in this movie

[01:26:32] In different scenes that they use

[01:26:34] I'm picturing that in that scene

[01:26:36] They have like five P.A.s

[01:26:38] We each have four cigarettes in their mouth

[01:26:40] Come on boys

[01:26:41] And they're right out of frame

[01:26:42] And if suddenly the tip of the cigarette

[01:26:44] Goes into frame

[01:26:45] They're like caught, reset

[01:26:46] And they're just trying

[01:26:47] Because the smoke has to be close enough

[01:26:49] To the camera

[01:26:50] And they're like

[01:26:51] I'm trying to remember the look of this smoke now

[01:26:53] I have no idea

[01:26:54] Didn't stick with me

[01:26:55] That is Cyberdyne Systems

[01:26:57] Where that happens

[01:26:58] That's what Terminator 2 establishes

[01:27:00] But we'll get to that later

[01:27:02] Yeah, I love it

[01:27:03] Like talk about another element

[01:27:04] That's cute in this movie

[01:27:05] Where they're like

[01:27:06] Ah, the robots are going to kill us

[01:27:07] When Kyle explains to her

[01:27:09] Like the SkyNet system

[01:27:10] She's like

[01:27:11] That sounds weird

[01:27:12] That we'd let a computer do everything

[01:27:13] Why would we do that?

[01:27:15] So illogical

[01:27:16] Why would I let my computer

[01:27:18] Control the camera

[01:27:19] Illogical

[01:27:20] Why would I let my computer

[01:27:21] Control my calendar

[01:27:22] Does he say the Judgment Day is in 1991

[01:27:24] Or two or whatever

[01:27:25] Oh, yeah, okay

[01:27:26] That's something I forgot about

[01:27:27] That I want to talk about

[01:27:28] The timeline in this is nuts

[01:27:29] Because like

[01:27:30] In the opening of 2029

[01:27:32] So we have like

[01:27:33] Ten years before it all ends

[01:27:35] Right on track

[01:27:36] Right on track

[01:27:37] Yeah

[01:27:38] Yeah, we're doing pretty well

[01:27:39] Like we're getting there

[01:27:40] We are, we're doing great

[01:27:41] Yeah, mountains of skulls

[01:27:42] But then in their timeline

[01:27:43] It's like the nuclear wars

[01:27:44] Have already started

[01:27:45] Like decades ago

[01:27:46] Yes, Judgment Day

[01:27:47] So we would be dead already

[01:27:48] Oh, yeah

[01:27:49] Yeah, okay

[01:27:50] In, in, that's what I was trying to remember

[01:27:52] Does he give a year

[01:27:53] Because in Terminator 2

[01:27:54] It's established like

[01:27:55] The world ends

[01:27:56] I think it's 1999

[01:27:57] I believe so

[01:27:58] Oh, that's appropriate

[01:27:59] It's like they install SkyNet

[01:28:01] Yeah

[01:28:02] And everything's fine for like

[01:28:03] Two weeks

[01:28:04] And SkyNet like nukes the world

[01:28:06] Yeah

[01:28:07] And John Connor's born

[01:28:08] Well, you know

[01:28:09] Around 84, 85 or whatever

[01:28:11] So by 2020 whatever

[01:28:12] He's, you know

[01:28:13] He's like a grizzled guy in his 40s

[01:28:15] Yeah

[01:28:16] But Beanie is

[01:28:18] How old do you think Michael Bean is?

[01:28:20] In this movie?

[01:28:21] Yeah

[01:28:22] 30

[01:28:23] Late 30s

[01:28:24] One

[01:28:25] Early 30s

[01:28:26] Late 30s

[01:28:27] 30s

[01:28:28] Born in 56

[01:28:30] I can't do math

[01:28:32] He was 28

[01:28:33] Oh, shit

[01:28:34] He's a Louise

[01:28:35] Well, I guess he had

[01:28:36] Some schmutz on him

[01:28:37] Yeah

[01:28:38] He had a fair amount of schmutz on him

[01:28:40] Can I, can I

[01:28:41] Tournament name it?

[01:28:42] Yep

[01:28:43] Because we already talked about

[01:28:44] People who are rumored to play

[01:28:45] The winner

[01:28:46] It says here, who knows how much of this

[01:28:48] Sure, a lot of names get thrown on the pile

[01:28:50] Although, you know

[01:28:51] I've never read something that isn't true

[01:28:52] On my Amazon fire

[01:28:54] But it says Randy Quaid was considered

[01:28:56] For the role of Kylerys

[01:28:58] Oh, a young Randy Quaid

[01:29:00] Which like, I mean

[01:29:02] Yeah, fine

[01:29:03] But when you look at the picture

[01:29:04] That's included

[01:29:05] And it's like Burley Mountain Man

[01:29:06] Randy Quaid

[01:29:07] Starwhackers, Randy Quaid

[01:29:09] Yeah

[01:29:10] But people who were

[01:29:11] In contention for Sarah Connor

[01:29:14] Deborah Wenger audition got the role

[01:29:16] Later backed out of the film

[01:29:18] Similarly feathered hair

[01:29:19] Yes

[01:29:20] But I think she had the role

[01:29:21] And then dropped out

[01:29:22] Fair enough, fair enough

[01:29:23] She would have been fine

[01:29:24] Gina Davis

[01:29:25] I mean, Gina Davis

[01:29:26] All the hits

[01:29:27] Yeah, these are the great ladies

[01:29:29] Darrell Hanna

[01:29:30] 80s ladies

[01:29:31] Another one, wow

[01:29:32] Turn it down for Splash

[01:29:33] Jennifer Jason Lee

[01:29:34] She would have been good too

[01:29:35] Considered too young for the part

[01:29:37] She's quite petite as well

[01:29:39] Kind of babyface

[01:29:40] Was then cast as Ginger

[01:29:42] Or replaced at the last minute

[01:29:43] For unknown reasons

[01:29:44] Jennifer Jason Lee would have killed

[01:29:46] Ducine's Ginger

[01:29:47] She would have won an Oscar for playing Ginger

[01:29:49] So she would have been great

[01:29:51] Here's the one I find the most interesting

[01:29:53] Rumored to have been in contention

[01:29:55] For the role of Sarah Connor

[01:29:57] Julia Louis-Dreyfus

[01:29:59] Whoa

[01:30:00] Stop

[01:30:01] Can you imagine that alternate reality?

[01:30:02] Wait, when had she done

[01:30:03] Had she been on SNL?

[01:30:04] Yeah, she's been on SNL

[01:30:05] That was like it

[01:30:06] That would be a bizarre choice

[01:30:08] But could have been great

[01:30:09] Could have been great

[01:30:10] Well never know

[01:30:11] Could have been amazing

[01:30:12] Unbelievable

[01:30:13] What a different world that is

[01:30:14] Right?

[01:30:15] And Matt, like if Sarah Connor was funny

[01:30:16] I'm only into it

[01:30:17] If she then

[01:30:18] Does Seinfeld as well

[01:30:19] But that's the question

[01:30:20] And you're like

[01:30:21] She could have

[01:30:22] Such a funny show

[01:30:23] No, but you're right

[01:30:24] She would have gone down a dark path

[01:30:25] Like

[01:30:26] She might be

[01:30:27] The Julia that we know and love

[01:30:28] Might be a worse world

[01:30:29] And she might have married James Cameron

[01:30:30] Which of course Linda Hamilton does

[01:30:32] Yes

[01:30:33] Yeah

[01:30:34] James Cameron and Linda Hamilton

[01:30:36] Have a baby

[01:30:37] A couple years after this movie

[01:30:39] Is it his?

[01:30:40] Or around Terminator 2

[01:30:41] They have sex?

[01:30:42] We'll never know

[01:30:43] Well we've speculated a lot

[01:30:46] About James Cameron's love life already

[01:30:48] They had a baby and then got married

[01:30:51] Like 7 or 8 years after that

[01:30:54] No

[01:30:55] We looked at the timeline

[01:30:56] The timeline's weird

[01:30:57] No, no, no, no

[01:30:58] They had a daughter when they were married

[01:30:59] I don't know where this other baby's

[01:31:00] We looked this up

[01:31:01] I don't know what you're talking about

[01:31:02] We looked this up

[01:31:03] She was married to Bruce Abbott

[01:31:05] Right

[01:31:06] From 82 to 89

[01:31:07] Uh-huh

[01:31:08] Who is an American actor

[01:31:09] Right

[01:31:10] Who was the

[01:31:11] Married James Cameron in what year?

[01:31:13] He left her when she was pregnant

[01:31:14] With their son

[01:31:16] Dalton

[01:31:17] They have two kids

[01:31:18] Not nice Bruce

[01:31:19] They have two kids

[01:31:20] There's one daughter they had

[01:31:21] Before they were married

[01:31:24] I don't think so

[01:31:25] By like 4 or 5 years

[01:31:26] I think you're thinking of someone else

[01:31:27] Because this only was her

[01:31:28] Having two kids

[01:31:29] I'm not gonna get into this

[01:31:30] But we went over this

[01:31:31] And I know I'm right about this