The Thomas Crown Affair (1999) with Amanda Dobbins

[00:00:00] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David, Don't know what to say or to expect, All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check

[00:00:22] Regret is usually a waste of time as is podcasting.

[00:00:26] Good, good, sure. That'd be very true.

[00:00:29] I was saying right before we started, I have a horse voice today, which means I'm already like 50% of the way to appears vocally.

[00:00:37] Although I feel like he's less horse. This is his.

[00:00:41] This is when he's a little butterier.

[00:00:43] Right. He has an Enchanted as horse era in 1999.

[00:00:46] Nobody does have little.

[00:00:47] I mean, I'm doing full horses.

[00:00:49] Yeah, he's throaty.

[00:00:50] There's the whisper. There's sort of Pierce whisper kind of.

[00:00:54] You know what I'm saying?

[00:00:55] It would sound like Anthony Hopkins though.

[00:00:58] I have limited range here.

[00:01:00] There's only so much I can do.

[00:01:02] I was telling you, I just did fucking five wato shows in a row and I'm feeling it.

[00:01:07] Oh boy.

[00:01:08] There's only so much one Manchured Wato in the span of one week.

[00:01:12] I agree. I agree.

[00:01:14] Yes. Thank you for your Pierce Brosnan Griffin.

[00:01:17] Wow, this is weird. This is a weird vibe, Griff.

[00:01:20] With my voice.

[00:01:21] Different places.

[00:01:22] No, different voices.

[00:01:23] Your voice is always fucked up.

[00:01:24] Well, this is a bi-coastal record.

[00:01:26] Woo.

[00:01:27] And sometimes when that happens, it's because you and I and Ben are in one studio.

[00:01:34] We have a guest who's in a different city and thus there are two zooms and that's the division.

[00:01:39] Blank check on one side.

[00:01:40] Other guests on another side.

[00:01:42] Not today.

[00:01:44] Not today.

[00:01:46] That's you. That's my Pierce.

[00:01:48] Today, David, home.

[00:01:51] Ben, home.

[00:01:53] Correct.

[00:01:54] Griff and guest in studio in Los Angeles.

[00:01:58] Wow.

[00:01:59] In the battleship.

[00:02:01] Hollywood.

[00:02:02] You guys look like you're broadcasting from the red October.

[00:02:04] I was going to say red October.

[00:02:05] Yes.

[00:02:06] Coming live from the red October.

[00:02:08] This is...

[00:02:09] Can I just tell you guys so...

[00:02:10] Please, please.

[00:02:11] The other day we were doing a big picture and...

[00:02:14] Mm-hmm.

[00:02:15] ...luckly thing for you to do?

[00:02:16] Sure.

[00:02:17] And I'm afraid, I'm sad to say I think it was about the film Argyle and a shot

[00:02:22] from the film Argyle.

[00:02:23] Just quickly, just quickly Amanda before you go any further.

[00:02:26] Don't let the cat out of the back.

[00:02:27] Okay.

[00:02:28] Please don't.

[00:02:29] Good joke.

[00:02:30] Thank you.

[00:02:31] It's just you know the secret now so don't let the cat out of the back.

[00:02:33] I'm not going to tell anyone.

[00:02:34] No spoilers and I'm really sorry if knowing that there is a ship at some point in

[00:02:40] Argyle spoils the movie.

[00:02:42] God damn it.

[00:02:43] But anyway we were talking about the ship and I was like, you know, there's that

[00:02:46] one shot.

[00:02:47] Yeah, yeah.

[00:02:48] And then I realized midway through that it was that was actually a shot I was

[00:02:51] remembering from Hunt for Red October which I had recently watched in order to get

[00:02:55] into the McTiernan vibe.

[00:02:56] So you know, I guess that was probably giving Matthew Vaughn too much credit but

[00:03:00] great movie.

[00:03:01] Argyle a movie so compelling that in real time while watching it you start editing

[00:03:05] footage from other better films.

[00:03:07] I will say this, Griff you haven't seen Argyle right?

[00:03:11] No, I lack the ability to let the cat out of the bag because I do not yet know

[00:03:15] the secret.

[00:03:16] Right.

[00:03:17] Cat remains in the bag for you.

[00:03:18] That having been said I guess the secret and everyone's confirmed to me that I

[00:03:20] guessed it correctly.

[00:03:21] Go on David.

[00:03:22] You did guess it correctly.

[00:03:23] I was there when you first debuted your guess.

[00:03:26] Thank you.

[00:03:27] That movie has many twists.

[00:03:29] It literally does treat the reveal that they are on a boat as one of its

[00:03:33] many twists.

[00:03:34] It's a very annoying one.

[00:03:35] That's right.

[00:03:36] We're like where are we?

[00:03:37] What is this?

[00:03:38] Wait.

[00:03:39] So do you do like they go from like the what do you call the undercarriage

[00:03:45] of a boat?

[00:03:46] Like they go from below deck, below deck.

[00:03:48] Sorry, Simon Soderbergh.

[00:03:49] Impressive.

[00:03:50] They go from below deck and there is a shot where they like zoom out right to the

[00:03:55] CGI boat, which is not that different from one of that opening hunt for red October

[00:04:01] shot right where it's you start with Brosnan and then you see the entire what's the

[00:04:06] boat called?

[00:04:07] Red October.

[00:04:08] Red October.

[00:04:09] This is going wild.

[00:04:10] I made the exact same mistake in our Red October episode where I was literally snapping

[00:04:14] my fingers and going what's the fucking name?

[00:04:17] What's the whole what's it called?

[00:04:18] I'm sort of hunting for a title here.

[00:04:20] I can't think of what it might be.

[00:04:22] I did that like an hour and a half into our episode.

[00:04:26] So you guys are going recording kind of chronologically for this one?

[00:04:30] Semi, I mean it's always guest dependent.

[00:04:32] Okay.

[00:04:33] And this also you were here in Los Angeles.

[00:04:35] But you know what?

[00:04:36] A couple of the late ones we recorded very early for just because of people being

[00:04:40] in town or whatever.

[00:04:41] This is being recorded second to last.

[00:04:45] Oh.

[00:04:46] Third to last.

[00:04:47] Okay.

[00:04:48] So we're in a late McTiernan mindset largely.

[00:04:50] Wow.

[00:04:51] That's I mean that's a special place to me.

[00:04:53] Have you have you done any of the bonus material and or roller roller ball and or

[00:04:59] We've done roller ball and we touched on the legalities surrounding that movie

[00:05:03] or lack thereof.

[00:05:04] Right.

[00:05:05] And we are devoting an entire Patreon episode to the crimes of Anthony

[00:05:10] Pellecano.

[00:05:11] Yeah.

[00:05:12] Because it was too much context to just tack on to another episode.

[00:05:15] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:05:16] We're using Sin Eater.

[00:05:17] Okay.

[00:05:18] So you haven't done that yet.

[00:05:20] But so like mentally you're you're like really right in the chronology vibe for

[00:05:25] Thomas Crown affair.

[00:05:26] Basically, yeah.

[00:05:27] Yeah.

[00:05:28] Yeah.

[00:05:29] We've we've sort of we've done the roller ball episode.

[00:05:30] So we set up that that's where the problems begin.

[00:05:32] Sure.

[00:05:33] And then we haven't done the crime episode yet and we haven't done basic,

[00:05:37] which is obviously the total fallout of everything.

[00:05:39] Right.

[00:05:40] But this is I think we've been looking forward to this being pinned on our

[00:05:44] calendar to later date because it's like one last breath of like positive

[00:05:49] air in the narrative.

[00:05:51] Amen.

[00:05:52] What's this podcast Griffin?

[00:05:53] This is blank check with Griffin and David.

[00:05:55] I'm Griffin.

[00:05:56] I'm David.

[00:05:57] It's a podcast about homographies directors who experience massive

[00:06:00] success early on in their careers and are given a series of blank

[00:06:02] tracks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want.

[00:06:05] And sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce baby.

[00:06:08] I don't think I've ever clocked how much I use my full register

[00:06:12] of pitch in this intro.

[00:06:15] Right for the right.

[00:06:16] I'm feeling myself like going outside a range.

[00:06:19] Anyway, some of those directors end up going to federal prison,

[00:06:21] but not today.

[00:06:22] It's at this point in 1999.

[00:06:25] It's not even a glimpse in his eye.

[00:06:27] No, this is a mini series on the films of John McTiernan,

[00:06:31] legendary action movie director next conflict.

[00:06:35] Today we're talking about his last great film, right?

[00:06:38] Although we've got to watch basic which some people defend.

[00:06:41] Yeah, but I would say his last sort of out and out well received

[00:06:45] hit.

[00:06:46] This is his last triumph.

[00:06:48] Let's put it that way.

[00:06:49] Yeah.

[00:06:50] In all areas it's like audiences loved it.

[00:06:52] Critics loved it.

[00:06:53] It was a hit.

[00:06:54] There is a reason he on spec wrote a sequel to this movie in

[00:06:57] prison.

[00:06:58] He wasn't going to sit down and write a basic sequel.

[00:07:01] Correct.

[00:07:02] Is that script available anywhere?

[00:07:03] I'd love to read it.

[00:07:05] John.mctearn and at gmail.com.

[00:07:07] I'd love to make it.

[00:07:08] Do you need a producer, John?

[00:07:10] I have no experience or money.

[00:07:12] It's unfortunately,

[00:07:13] I believe the one copy is in the prison library.

[00:07:15] You have to go and check it out.

[00:07:17] Yeah.

[00:07:18] Yeah.

[00:07:19] He tucked it behind a poster of I don't know, whatever.

[00:07:22] We, I mean, we will get to the 25 years of how do you

[00:07:25] follow up this movie question as MGM has debated how to

[00:07:29] turn Thomas crown into a modern franchise or keep it afloat.

[00:07:33] But yes, this is his last proper triumph.

[00:07:36] It is fascinating because it is coming out in theaters.

[00:07:40] 10 days after his biggest flop up until that point in time.

[00:07:44] That is true.

[00:07:45] That is true.

[00:07:46] Amanda, did you know that this came out the same year as the 13th

[00:07:49] Warrior?

[00:07:50] I did know that it was the same year.

[00:07:52] I confess I didn't know that it was 10 days after.

[00:07:55] No, no, Griff.

[00:07:56] No, it's no, it's three weeks.

[00:07:57] It's the other way around.

[00:07:58] It's the other way around.

[00:07:59] This is beginning of August and 13th Warriors end of August.

[00:08:03] Right.

[00:08:04] That's right.

[00:08:05] That's right.

[00:08:06] And that's why this is posting before 13th Warrior.

[00:08:08] This is where I get confused.

[00:08:09] 13th Warrior, they knew they had something bad on their hands

[00:08:12] and they just stuck it to float on Thomas Cranford.

[00:08:15] And he had shot it like two years before Thomas Crown began

[00:08:20] production.

[00:08:21] That sounds right.

[00:08:22] Certainly he made it before.

[00:08:24] Yes.

[00:08:25] That episode we did record five years ago.

[00:08:27] We did and yeah, we did.

[00:08:29] David Lowry is on it.

[00:08:30] Spoiler alert.

[00:08:31] Oh, wow.

[00:08:32] It's next week's app and he was in town.

[00:08:34] But the timeline on these two movies is hard to keep

[00:08:37] track of.

[00:08:38] Right.

[00:08:39] But it is that fascinating phenomenon where he just

[00:08:42] knows he has a turkey incoming.

[00:08:44] He spent like three years on a movie that no one can salvage

[00:08:47] and that has to some degree been taken away from him.

[00:08:50] And he successfully pulls off the ultimate heist,

[00:08:53] which is put a hit in theaters before my last bomb comes out.

[00:08:57] Right.

[00:08:58] And just completely distract.

[00:08:59] Yeah, distract.

[00:09:00] Right.

[00:09:01] He's putting a thousand guys in bowler hats and long

[00:09:04] jackets in the multiplex to distract from the turkey that is

[00:09:08] 13th warrior.

[00:09:09] Griffin, introduce our guests and then I have very boring

[00:09:12] gossip that I just got.

[00:09:14] This movie or just about our lives?

[00:09:17] No, no, no, about movies.

[00:09:19] Oh, great.

[00:09:20] Okay.

[00:09:21] Our guest today, I will say is one of the guests I have been

[00:09:25] most excited to have on.

[00:09:26] You're very kind.

[00:09:27] In a very long time.

[00:09:28] Yes.

[00:09:29] Big picture, a podcast I would jump in and out of listen

[00:09:32] to topical episodes last summer, our friend Alex Ross Perry said

[00:09:36] you need to listen to Sean's mental breakdown over fast X,

[00:09:40] which I did sitting right here Griffin.

[00:09:42] That's the chair.

[00:09:43] Yes, this is the chair.

[00:09:46] The seat of shame.

[00:09:47] We should put a plaque on it.

[00:09:49] I found a cathartic listening to that episode.

[00:09:51] It felt like I was like I'd found an AA meeting where I

[00:09:54] relate to other people with similar stories.

[00:09:57] And since then big picture has been top of my podcast

[00:10:00] rotation.

[00:10:01] You're very kind.

[00:10:02] I've gotten fully big pickpiled, but on top of that,

[00:10:05] I just want to say card carrying four life dob mob member.

[00:10:08] Thank you so much.

[00:10:09] Thank you.

[00:10:10] Amanda Dobbins is here for the first time, not the last.

[00:10:13] Long time listener, first time caller.

[00:10:16] I have been waiting my whole life to podcast about the

[00:10:19] Thomas Cryon Affair.

[00:10:20] This is the thing.

[00:10:21] Parentheses 1999.

[00:10:22] Amanda, the first conversation we ever had,

[00:10:25] which was like eight years ago was about this movie.

[00:10:29] I really do feel.

[00:10:31] I'm glad that this is the first time I'm on link check

[00:10:34] because it's like I have been training.

[00:10:36] This is, this is what it's all been building towards is

[00:10:40] figuring out what the fuck happened with the painting

[00:10:44] fitting into the briefcase.

[00:10:46] Yes.

[00:10:47] And is there a spanner and you know,

[00:10:49] actually we know, but you know, I'm ready.

[00:10:51] I'm ready to break it down.

[00:10:52] No, like six or seven months ago,

[00:10:53] I say to David, like getting Amanda on his top priority,

[00:10:55] we need to find a place for Amanda.

[00:10:57] And I would sometimes say like, what do we have coming up?

[00:10:59] What can we pitch to Amanda?

[00:11:00] And he would go, I don't think those are the right options.

[00:11:02] And when we finally settled on fuck it,

[00:11:04] it's time to do McTiernan.

[00:11:05] He looked at me and he went, you know what this means.

[00:11:08] Yeah.

[00:11:09] We can get Amanda.

[00:11:10] Thomas Crown is the easiest booking of all time.

[00:11:12] That's the ask.

[00:11:13] I'm glad we saved it.

[00:11:14] We just texted you McTiernan and you replied

[00:11:16] Thomas Crown Affair.

[00:11:17] Yeah.

[00:11:18] I knew instantly.

[00:11:19] I think you said Thomas Crown, let's go.

[00:11:21] Yeah.

[00:11:22] It was also, and I do also,

[00:11:24] you guys have a very committed and active Reddit community,

[00:11:28] which is very lovely.

[00:11:29] But I like, oh sorry, is that I've faced you nice.

[00:11:33] Are they nice enough?

[00:11:34] They're fine.

[00:11:35] Okay.

[00:11:36] Anyway,

[00:11:37] we just don't want to encourage them necessarily.

[00:11:39] That's true.

[00:11:40] It's fine.

[00:11:41] I also don't want them to think that I'm like actually

[00:11:43] spending a lot of time on their Reddit, you know,

[00:11:45] but that's not even in a derogatory sort of way.

[00:11:49] That's just not how I'm in it.

[00:11:51] I was spending my time.

[00:11:52] Sure.

[00:11:53] But I think I mentioned that I would be coming on Blank Check

[00:11:56] like six months ago.

[00:11:58] Yes.

[00:11:59] At like minute 93 of the big picture,

[00:12:02] which is already embarrassing that we're getting to minute 93.

[00:12:04] Our show gets to fucking minute 1000.

[00:12:07] You'll nothing to apologize for.

[00:12:09] And they sluiced it out like that.

[00:12:10] You hadn't even announced McTiernan.

[00:12:12] Which was, I felt really seen.

[00:12:15] And so, and I think maybe that's why I feel warmly

[00:12:17] towards the community, you know,

[00:12:19] because they knew immediately.

[00:12:20] The sound we all made when you invoked them,

[00:12:23] the reason why is a recent champagne problem

[00:12:26] we have been budding up against

[00:12:28] is we reach out to someone we would love to have on the show.

[00:12:31] And offer them a movie we know they like.

[00:12:33] And their response is,

[00:12:35] I don't think I'm enough of an expert.

[00:12:37] I'm worried about the Reddit getting angry at me.

[00:12:40] Ignore them.

[00:12:41] We've had hyper qualified people say

[00:12:44] bar too high with Reddit response.

[00:12:48] Wow.

[00:12:49] I would say to those people,

[00:12:51] they just got, they got to keep living their lives.

[00:12:53] I would say the same thing.

[00:12:54] That's what I have to say.

[00:12:55] I would say the same thing, but you are,

[00:12:57] I don't think anyone's questioning your bona fides for this episode.

[00:13:01] I do feel I'm the subject matter expert.

[00:13:03] Yes.

[00:13:04] On this on this film and maybe anything having to do

[00:13:10] with Sophia Coppola outside of her films.

[00:13:13] I'm pretty good on the films.

[00:13:15] The personal life.

[00:13:16] I'm a leading expert on Sophia Coppola.

[00:13:18] Yeah.

[00:13:19] The person.

[00:13:20] Sure.

[00:13:21] And the Thomas Crown affair parentheses 1999.

[00:13:24] I would say too that like,

[00:13:25] I consider you perhaps leading expert on Thomas Crown affair

[00:13:29] parentheses 1999,

[00:13:30] but also all these sub subjects within this film.

[00:13:34] Oh, thank you so much.

[00:13:35] You're at least on the board of experts.

[00:13:36] Thank you.

[00:13:37] That's great.

[00:13:38] That's a good place to be.

[00:13:39] I'm looking to be on more boards.

[00:13:40] Yes.

[00:13:41] In the future.

[00:13:42] That's just a nice check that you get every once in a while

[00:13:44] and sit through a PowerPoint presentation.

[00:13:46] So anybody needs me.

[00:13:48] I'm available.

[00:13:49] Was this like an opening weekend 1999 theaters movie for you?

[00:13:53] When did you get Tommy Pilled?

[00:13:56] Certainly that summer.

[00:13:59] And this is essentially my birthday week.

[00:14:02] Maybe the week after I'm, I'm an August Leo.

[00:14:06] You're a Leo.

[00:14:07] Yeah.

[00:14:08] I sure am.

[00:14:09] There's no denying it.

[00:14:10] You exude it.

[00:14:11] You exude it.

[00:14:12] I would have been turning 15 years old.

[00:14:15] Okay.

[00:14:16] So the real question there is,

[00:14:17] could I get to the mall opening weekend or like when was I being

[00:14:21] dropped off at the mall?

[00:14:22] It's rated R.

[00:14:23] It's a rated R move.

[00:14:24] Yeah.

[00:14:25] Oh, that's a good point.

[00:14:26] So were you sneaking in?

[00:14:27] I knew it.

[00:14:28] It earns it in a nice way.

[00:14:29] Yes.

[00:14:30] Yes.

[00:14:31] I'm,

[00:14:32] maybe I watched it at home then.

[00:14:33] Okay.

[00:14:34] Now that I think about it because.

[00:14:35] Yeah.

[00:14:36] I'm seeing here the MPA rated it R for a boobs and art theft.

[00:14:39] Yeah.

[00:14:40] I'm just wondering if you've seen the only one that's on the

[00:14:44] poster there.

[00:14:45] I,

[00:14:46] I look forward to talking about Renee Rousseau is absolutely

[00:14:48] spectacular.

[00:14:49] Russ,

[00:14:50] I mean,

[00:14:51] I'm glad you are a part of the artwork of this film.

[00:14:55] And.

[00:14:56] Of course.

[00:14:57] You know,

[00:14:58] I,

[00:14:59] the story goes that this was the first time that she

[00:15:02] really did that level of nudity and because she was in

[00:15:04] her mid 40s.

[00:15:05] Yes.

[00:15:06] And she's like,

[00:15:07] I wanted on record.

[00:15:08] I don't know whether that's actually true.

[00:15:09] as well. I remember when this movie came out people being surprised that she did nudity and then also

[00:15:15] being like fucking good on her I get it you know. Griffin, Griffin it was more than that it was like

[00:15:20] A1 New York Times like lower section maybe but it was like a huge story. A woman in her 40s is

[00:15:27] taking her clothes off in a film and it's it's getting a wide release this isn't some sort of

[00:15:32] museum exhibit for strange people. And also like Siskel and Ebert are giving the nudity

[00:15:37] specifically two thumbs up. Like all you have to think about. I mean the 90s the biggest thing that

[00:15:44] happened to nudity wise in the 90s was Sibylwitz's butt on NYPD. Do you remember this? Like do you

[00:15:50] remember where you were and I wasn't old enough to watch NYPD blue but it's just like when they

[00:15:57] showed Dennis Frans' bare ass on network TV it was like the entire world stopped and then number

[00:16:03] two was Renee Russo over the age of 40. Yes. Taking her top off multiple times by the way I mean

[00:16:10] that's the other thing she's like doing the sex scene but she's also at the beach. Yes. She's got that

[00:16:14] incredible mesh dress at the gala. The mesh look oh my god look I'm I look I've already set aside

[00:16:22] half an hour for obviously talking about weary cook Dennis Leary there's half an hour right

[00:16:28] for Renee Russo's rack that's not a problem. And by the way I'm gonna thank you for being the one

[00:16:34] to pin that on the cork. I understand that you guys couldn't totally we want to talk about it. You

[00:16:38] don't want to go there but you have to introduce the subject. But I do feel that these they were

[00:16:44] purposefully and willfully included as a special effect in the Thomas Crown affair.

[00:16:49] You know like she was she was a part of it. It's not exploitative and this and if that's

[00:16:53] wrong then I apologize for Renee Russo and I just wanted to know that she looks great but I'm

[00:16:58] sorry it was uncomfortable but it seems like she was in on it. I think she was in on it absolutely

[00:17:04] and she I from what I remember of the press at the time it was very much like her being like

[00:17:09] I'm going for a baby. Yeah my goss is that Wicked is going to be the A1 trailer at the Super Bowl

[00:17:17] they universal has booked the number one spot in the Super Bowl first trailer out of the Super

[00:17:23] Bowl is Wicked. Okay so like kickoff Taylor Swift get ready like photo close up and then cut to Ariana

[00:17:30] Grande doing whatever. Amanda I'm glad you're here for this one because this is the exact angle of

[00:17:35] this I want to analyze do you think there's any universe in which universal would be buying

[00:17:41] ad time for Wicked during the Super Bowl were Taylor Swift now not inextricably connected

[00:17:47] to the NFL do you think they would even attempt to market that movie during that broadcast?

[00:17:54] Well in that universe did Barbie still make as much money as it did last year because I do think

[00:18:03] that the Super Bowl is a major marketing event and Barbie has taught people if you market things

[00:18:11] like aggressively to women then maybe they'll spend a billion dollars you guys like Wicked

[00:18:17] the musical you seen it? Yeah of course I think it's a hugely flawed musical but I think it's

[00:18:24] placed in the culture at this point is quite secure. I've never seen it so it's about the Wicked

[00:18:31] Witch of the West and the Good Witch. Yes oh you don't know anything about Wicked okay

[00:18:37] so I know like I know a Dean of Mazzal, Manzell, Adele Dezeem, Kristen Chenowith.

[00:18:45] All right so this is the idea like you know how there's the Wicked Witch in the Wizard of Oz

[00:18:52] and she's Wicked it's right there in her name. Right and then there's the Good Witch in the bubble

[00:18:56] right who comes Glinda who comes down and is in the bubble yeah. Of course yeah yeah yeah.

[00:19:01] What do you think their high school experience was like? Oh my god so they're in high school?

[00:19:05] Is it like they it's like the witches high school? They're in like magic school yeah. It's very

[00:19:11] similar to the flashback in Austin Powers and Goldmember where you realize that Austin and Dr.

[00:19:15] Evil went to spy boarding school together and they used to be friends but a rivalry was formed there

[00:19:20] that extended into their adult careers. I was going to take us down a whole spy school thing.

[00:19:25] Please. I just I don't know if anyone is looking for a gift for like five to ten year olds.

[00:19:30] Constantly. But I sent my godson and his sister this subscription service where they get stuff

[00:19:37] in the mail every week telling them that they've been enrolled in a spy school and they get like

[00:19:41] and they need help with the case and so new clues and everything show up in the mail every week

[00:19:47] and they might but they like really think they're in a spy school like they actually do. So it's

[00:19:52] I should look up the name it's really great and that sounds fun and I would watch a musical

[00:19:57] based on that. So you're pitching your own musical which is spy school by mail the musical.

[00:20:02] But that is just like a good gift if you're if you're looking for something for a small child.

[00:20:06] Yeah. Or also maybe for Ben because it does sound like the kind of gift Ben would appreciate.

[00:20:10] But wicked. But so the thing is that the wicked which

[00:20:15] is misunderstood. Yeah. And it's not really good but she's good.

[00:20:18] Yes. She's prejudice because of her green skin.

[00:20:23] The world treats her poorly. Okay. Yeah. She she has a sister who who's going to get crushed

[00:20:29] by a house in the wicked universe. Does the does the Wizard of Oz exist?

[00:20:35] Yes. He sure does. So then is the moral of the story that you become a bad person?

[00:20:41] No. I don't want to spoil wicked for you but the moral is perhaps the story as you perceived it

[00:20:47] is not actually quite what was going on. Yeah. Maybe the wicked which wasn't so bad.

[00:20:52] Okay. Maybe it was a matter of point of view.

[00:20:55] Okay. You watch it thinking oh no this is going to be a story about watching someone I like

[00:21:00] become irredeemably evil. Right. Because she is the compelling character.

[00:21:04] This is the other thing about wicked. I mean I guess I don't know you don't know very much

[00:21:08] about her in Wizard of Oz. Exactly. Except for the house.

[00:21:10] So you're like is this going to be an Anakin Skywalker fall from Grey Story?

[00:21:13] But then does that make you watch the Wizard of Oz being like wow that was really tough.

[00:21:17] And we did we did drop by her. We did her dirty.

[00:21:21] Look I've also read the books and the books are darker and they're all about how like

[00:21:26] Oz seems to have a sort of tiered system with the animals at the bottom and the munchkins

[00:21:32] at the bottom and all this and like the the musical kind of softens that but it's about that.

[00:21:38] You also get like Tin Man backstory and some of the other shit that happens in wicked but

[00:21:43] the other thing I'll say about wicked is Frozen pretty liberally took a lot of the

[00:21:48] things that worked in wicked. Oh and in some ways refined them.

[00:21:52] Okay but the dynamic between the two of them between Glinda and Alphabaugh.

[00:21:58] Even though they're not sisters and that is very much something they coasted off of

[00:22:02] in Frozen where you're like well instead of having a hero and a villain.

[00:22:05] Okay what if it's sort of misunderstood. Got it.

[00:22:08] And there's a kind of like bond of feminine power that's trying to redeem the person

[00:22:13] and all of that. So like Frozen's always already eaten a little bit of Wicked's lunch

[00:22:19] and when David calls out the flaws that exist in the musical their flaws that I imagine would

[00:22:24] only be enlargent if you were to say split Wicked into two films the dumbest decision in the

[00:22:31] history of movies. But here's what I do know is the defying gravity is like the end of the

[00:22:35] first act so that'll be like the finale of part one right.

[00:22:39] Here's the thing splitting the movie into two films is a great bit of news for Wicked part one.

[00:22:45] Yes it's truly like when you don't do the dishes and you're like that's tomorrow David's probably.

[00:22:51] I had an incredible meal.

[00:22:53] Wicked part one is gonna be great it's gonna be about witches at high school it's gonna have

[00:22:59] songs that ends on fucking defying gravity people gonna walk out shooting guns in the air

[00:23:04] then Wicked part two is probably gonna be a tougher

[00:23:08] Wicked part two break out the scrub daddy.

[00:23:11] Okay, oh god because we just it's fucking these stains they're sticking to the plate

[00:23:15] they're three dimensional.

[00:23:17] I mean we'll see anyway I thought you might be more excited for Wicked Amanda but now have

[00:23:23] learned you don't don't really care about Wicked witches only fair.

[00:23:27] It's I just don't know about it you know I missed that yeah I missed that train

[00:23:31] but I know many other people think it's pretty great so that's exciting for them.

[00:23:36] It's exciting for them you know it's not like I played with Barbies so and I really like Barbie

[00:23:41] but you know Greta Gerwig isn't directing Wicked as far as I know.

[00:23:46] No John Chu is yeah who we like enjoy sure yeah yeah um but I'm not like oh he's gonna have

[00:23:53] a wild take I'm like oh he'll he'll make like a competent movie probably right.

[00:23:58] Yeah.

[00:24:00] David yes you know the thing I always say what's that my famous catchphrase

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[00:26:45] all right Thomas crowned a fair David did you see this in theaters uh no I did not uh this

[00:26:51] film was rated 15 in Britain for like I said boobs in art crime yeah uh so I think I was too young

[00:26:58] I definitely remember I watched it with my mother on VHS when it came out on home video and we had a

[00:27:05] great time I think that is the exact same thing that happened with me so you weren't it wasn't

[00:27:09] awkward being sitting next to your mom with all the boobs well I guess you were you know

[00:27:14] a more European sensibility I was I look me and my mom watched Sex in the City together like I

[00:27:19] don't know that's probably what made me the man I am like I'm less encumbered by shame or

[00:27:25] something but my formative watching our rated movies with my parents um and why I think I didn't

[00:27:32] see this in theaters is because I wanted to see Jerry Maguire with my mother and the you know the

[00:27:38] never stop fucking me seeing at the beginning that was pretty tough I think we have invoked a lot

[00:27:44] yeah on this podcast not just in the Jerry Maguire episode but something where if you

[00:27:48] see that at the right age and especially you watch it adjacent to a parent right

[00:27:52] it is burned into your head for a while yeah I guess this is what sex is yes yes and also I

[00:27:59] I want to separate this from yes from what from my parents

[00:28:02] perspective when you're a kid you're you could you're like what does it even matter in that

[00:28:05] movie you could lift that right out when you're an adult you watch it you're like I understand

[00:28:09] everything about Kelly Preston's character right me both characters fall apart if you don't

[00:28:14] include that scene uh the Thomas Crown affair grift did you see it in theaters no you

[00:28:19] were you know I right you're like I almost definitely only a couple years younger than you

[00:28:23] I almost definitely watched this on VHS with my mom which I do think I was my mom was very

[00:28:30] protective about what I watched but there would be exceptions for things that she respected okay

[00:28:35] you know yeah and she's diehard fan of the original Thomas Crown I went to see it with her at the

[00:28:40] metrograph like two months ago oh that's nice visiting New York sure the Jewish sin which

[00:28:46] did you take a little nap did you take a little sleepy nap when you watch this on the court for

[00:28:51] David hates the Jewish sin he wants to talk greasy like I think it's five days after

[00:28:56] you listen die yeah with all respect to the great norm of Jewish sin it is so boring like

[00:29:01] it's so slow and I understand that action movies were paced very differently and this is my like

[00:29:09] you know internet riddled ADHD brain or whatever um there's obviously craft in it like

[00:29:16] Faye Dunway for life also though Faye Dunway happens to be in this film so I agree it's really

[00:29:22] boring it's like really boring and a lot of split screen I think this movie is better than the

[00:29:29] original in almost every regard I think overall it's unquestionably a better film in a more

[00:29:35] functional film I think that is basically a craft over all else movie that barely hangs together as a

[00:29:42] story but I craft and and craft and hot actors like you know it's everyone looking great this is

[00:29:50] my thing the reason I'm surprised you are always so quick to call out how boring it is which is

[00:29:55] a thing I've heard you do so many times over 10 plus years of friendship is I do think in a certain

[00:30:01] way that is an early just vibes movie that you usually go to the mat for the vibes are totally fine

[00:30:10] I think I I think I was hurt by watching it as a teenager sure after the after this one yeah and

[00:30:19] thinking it had this reputation is like one of the you know steamy is sex Hollywood thrillers

[00:30:27] like oh my god like the tension crackles like the chest scene it's your you know you'll be

[00:30:33] your goosebumps like and then you watch it and it feels a little tepid which is partly just

[00:30:42] I completely agree but you know what's funny if you read the contemporaneous reviews of

[00:30:47] Thomas Cronaffair 1999 my preferred version it is a lot of critics who are who were older than

[00:30:55] us being like Pierce Brosnan neighborhood neighbors so can't come close to the chemistry of like McQueen

[00:31:01] and done away and I'm like are you serious I'd like I mean do you remember the Fiji water bottle

[00:31:07] like what I guess we just have different definitions of chemistry I think that was also just a

[00:31:13] protectiveness right exactly yeah how did your mom feel about the remake she loved it

[00:31:20] yeah my mom did oh what about Griffin's mom sorry mom's loved it no I remember the arc of it

[00:31:25] because early 99 spy who shag me came out right yeah I'm fucking fanatical about that movie okay

[00:31:31] it has the scene with one of the great one of the great americans yeah has the scene with

[00:31:35] Ivana hump a lot where they parody the Thomas crown chess scene and my mom says to me that's

[00:31:39] from Thomas crown like anytime a movie I liked featured a reference to anything in pop culture

[00:31:45] from before 1970 she would use that as a teaching moment great like when I saw toy story and she was

[00:31:50] like I'm bringing you to Picasso exhibit because now Mr. Potato Head has planted Picasso in your head

[00:31:56] as a name so she similarly was here that's really good my mom this was an area in which my mom

[00:32:02] did a very good job and I will not speak about it in reverse last night my son is will be two on

[00:32:09] Friday and he loves planes so last night I just showed him top gun maverick yeah because you

[00:32:16] know what it is it's just planes going really fast and also motorcycles a thing he loves cool guys

[00:32:21] and he just kept going fast fast whoosh fast just was absolutely shocked and odd and delighted

[00:32:28] anyway so my kid is basically a full year older than your kid where that that's that's

[00:32:33] now I have well yeah not bragging not bragging I know it's a humble brag uh yeah I'm humble bragging

[00:32:39] that she's gonna be three I have not shown her top gun maverick yet griff actually I will tell you

[00:32:43] today my my kid threw up yesterday so she was home today well that's a real um yeah huge

[00:32:49] humble brag for her uh because she's totally fine today uh she demanded light ear because she

[00:32:54] loves buzz okay and she saw it on the Disney plus two minutes in she was like get this shit

[00:33:01] yeah what is this they're like talking to each other like this is so boring like my friends are

[00:33:09] excited when my oldest friends who I've invoked a lot on this podcast he has a daughter a little bit

[00:33:12] older who loves Buzz Lightyear goes to sleep with a buzz doll like carries it around all the time

[00:33:18] brought her to light ear as her first movie ever in theaters and 15 minutes and she's like

[00:33:22] I think I'm good oh and like full pump in circumsit look you get a popcorn bucket

[00:33:27] that does remind me I went I went alone um to a press screening of light ear as one does um and

[00:33:34] you gotta put on a watch list for that yep but it was but it was at least like one of the ones

[00:33:38] where they brought you could bring children and so other people did bring children I don't

[00:33:43] I think light year predates my son anyway and so I sat next to a small kid who was just like

[00:33:49] confused and or terrified the whole time and I like I just completely ruined the movie

[00:33:54] for me on his behalf I was like well this little child hates this how can I like it yeah no but I

[00:33:58] think that child was smart yeah okay yes that child was Richard Brodie um I I not to humble brag

[00:34:05] but I was uh loosely dating someone at the time light year came out and I went to go see a matinee

[00:34:09] by myself in the afternoon and she found the ticket stub in my pants pocket and broke up with me

[00:34:15] very shortly after and I'm not saying the two things are connected but her reaction was as if

[00:34:20] she had found evidence of me with another woman that's what I was gonna ask it was it because she

[00:34:25] didn't go with you or no she was like you went to see light year today right and I was like yeah

[00:34:32] and she was like who did you go with and I was like no one I thought she was accusing me of going

[00:34:36] out with someone else right when I when she realized I went to light year by myself in the afternoon

[00:34:41] she got kind of freaked out okay all right it was a bit of a red flag for her arc of my mom

[00:34:46] with this movie as I remember it is spy who shag me she calls out you know that's from the

[00:34:50] original Thomas crown affair I go what's the Thomas crown affair I don't remember if she shows it

[00:34:54] the original to me at that point if she did I probably had a good night's sleep uh then this

[00:34:58] movie comes out and she's staunchly against it oh why can't they leave the classics alone

[00:35:03] everything needs to be updated and I do think when it came out there was that attitude

[00:35:07] and this movie was something of a sleeper hit because the word of mouth was so good

[00:35:11] of people being like this thing actually really yeah the reviews were good and even

[00:35:16] still people were a little cagey and it grew so then I think we rented it whenever it came out on

[00:35:21] VHS and she kind of had to begrudgingly be like it's good I think she still maintains the

[00:35:27] originals better sure that's that's her right but then this time I saw it with her recently

[00:35:32] like two months ago she was like you know it really doesn't make any sense like that movie

[00:35:36] barely has a plot and I was like yeah and we were we were in alignment of like that thing is like

[00:35:41] some incredible craft the split screen shit was basically unseen at that point in time

[00:35:47] but absolutely feels like a post-production salvage job like a suicide squad ask how do we make this

[00:35:53] movie so weird that people don't notice that we actually didn't make a functional movie

[00:35:57] right exactly yeah and then the movie star like heat is off the charts for sure yes

[00:36:02] but the core concept of it is so good that when you watch it you're like yeah this is begging for

[00:36:07] someone to make a functional version of this story set up I agree but I also think that the changes

[00:36:14] that McTiernan by all accounts makes to it yes like improve it absolutely that it is they are

[00:36:20] too I'm going to be honest pretty ingenious art heists like they are both very clever like

[00:36:26] well-executed capers that you also can follow in real time you don't need the Soderbergh like

[00:36:34] at you know after the fact and spin back here's what really happened no very direct I don't want

[00:36:40] anyone to have the impression that I'm aligning Steven Soderbergh my favorite person on earth

[00:36:44] and also I love Oceans 11 but it's just like they're very smart because its art the stakes are

[00:36:51] I guess lower but they don't feel it's just it's fun you don't have to worry about it as

[00:36:56] David's favorite Dennis Leary says at the end it's just like fancy swirls of paint that only

[00:37:01] matter to like some very silly people so the stakes can just be is he gonna get away with it

[00:37:08] are they gonna like figure their shit out are they gonna have sex this is why it's frustrating

[00:37:12] that McTiernan lost it to some degree or at least has never been able to fully get it back

[00:37:17] you know or prove yeah give himself the opportunity to get it back is that same fucking thing with

[00:37:22] diehard diehard is meant to be terrorists when he reads the script and he's like they gotta be

[00:37:28] robbers yeah if they're terrorists the movie is not fun right no one wants to see terrorists

[00:37:33] get beaten because you need to beat them like violently and it reminds them of the outside

[00:37:37] world I know anyone's terrorist at christmas side right you know right and I don't know if

[00:37:41] you know this but diehard is christmas yeah um but but he was like it's more fun if they are robbers

[00:37:47] pretending to be terrorists the audience will be on board yeah this movie has to be joyful and he's

[00:37:52] totally right and you watch the original thomas crown affair and the whole notion of this man who

[00:37:57] has everything who is so bored he starts committing crimes for sport basically to give himself a

[00:38:03] thrill right plays very differently in the original when it's armed bank robbery and there are

[00:38:09] like casualties right it's it's maybe like a more complex character and like a more inch you know

[00:38:16] yes that's that's a great novel yes this is a great 90s action movie like it's just it's really

[00:38:22] it's way way more fun and as you were saying not only does he not need to do the roll back

[00:38:27] and explain to you how the heist was done yeah where you just watch it in real time

[00:38:31] he also doesn't give you the watch them trying to work out the heist right think of like

[00:38:36] how many other heist movies are there where the only thing you ever see is the heist itself

[00:38:40] and it's all legible to you spreading blueprints around yeah but i like that i love that i mean

[00:38:46] i love to get the gang together i love it here's what our plan is going to be but you're

[00:38:50] that that's a good observation that you just watch it happen in real time i never begrudge

[00:38:54] either of the the preface or the pro post game analysis happening in a heist movie

[00:38:59] but it is a little impressive just as a skill piece that mcteeran makes two heists that work

[00:39:05] where every time an element is introduced in real time you go oh i get what they're doing

[00:39:09] i would and it's like it's deft too it's just like when you rewatch it for the thousandth time as i did

[00:39:15] it's like oh there is one line about do you want me to take your briefcase to the office

[00:39:19] oh mr cron you forgot your briefcase and it but it's not heavy-handed enough that you would

[00:39:26] be like why are they so fixated on his briefcase yes but it's like an essential plot point that

[00:39:31] the first time you see are like oh the briefcases it's the exact thing mcteeran was a master at which

[00:39:37] is knowing exactly how to draw your focus to certain things keep them in mind without overplaying

[00:39:42] the hand in a way that telegraphs right this is important i'm going to open the dossier griffin

[00:39:49] have you guys heard of the film golden eye yes okay so pierce brazil was the star of that film

[00:39:57] it came out in 1995 and it was successful released by the mgm corporation true yes and uh because pierce

[00:40:07] now has this power he founds a company called irish dream time i am not getting that is the name

[00:40:13] of his production company uh and he starts casting around for a pierce brazilan project um

[00:40:22] john callie uh who is uh we would have he a producer who would have come up we work with

[00:40:27] cubrick a lot okay he he is sort of his guy uh running irish dream time

[00:40:35] and they make a movie called the nephew i have never heard of this movie no uh his first effort

[00:40:43] yes the the run of irish dream time productions is really fascinating when you look at it as a

[00:40:48] whole because it's sort of all the pierce blank checks i'm bond i can get movies of a certain size

[00:40:54] greenlit on my name movies the biggest things he's been in outside of bond and this movie are usually

[00:41:00] him joining someone else's production versus the irish dream time productions which are like

[00:41:05] evalyn and the matador and taylor panama and like his i want to show a different side of myself

[00:41:11] movies where amanda how do you feel about pierce generally especially you know movie star like

[00:41:17] this a-lister pierce versus you know mama mia character actor pierce oh well i was i i love

[00:41:25] character actor we love we all love that you know i feel like everyone's on board with that right

[00:41:29] but i that also brings to mind to me like the mrs outfire and it was a run by fruiting you know

[00:41:35] and he's he's very good in that as well that was that was probably my first pierce experience

[00:41:40] mine too i'm sure i like like both of you i assume or david i know you're a big bond person but um

[00:41:47] perfon i don't know where you are on bond i like bond okay uh we did all the pierce bonds on patreon

[00:41:52] last year okay and then just recently did mirror has two faces with strice and oh and then these

[00:41:58] two pierce episodes in mctearnan because his first film is also pierce so we've been in like a

[00:42:03] really pierce run and i love pierce unabashed so i love pierce he's not my favorite bond same

[00:42:10] and i think this is the best of his bond movies this is like what he should be doing instead

[00:42:17] of the bond stuff and i don't know whether it's just that the tone and the setup of this movie

[00:42:28] fits him a little bit more than like you know made up international conspiracy to

[00:42:32] to fund a video game whatever but i i really like him this is my favorite of this era i don't love

[00:42:38] his bond stuff as much and i mean you know everything he's done sense is delightful yeah

[00:42:45] his bond stuff is very very up and down obviously this this is this is the one time i feel like it

[00:42:52] truly like bond era pierce just completely makes sense in another movie right like he's he's good in

[00:42:59] taylor panama or the matador obvious you know like he's he's good in other stuff but this is the

[00:43:05] one time the movie star image makes sense we've talked about this a lot that there's the sort of like

[00:43:10] monkey paw of getting cast as bond and what do you do with the movies in between bond and that

[00:43:16] those guys tend to really struggle to like if you go too far away from the bond persona people

[00:43:21] aren't seeing what they want from you and if you do something that feels too bond adjacent

[00:43:25] it's like well this feels like an also ran yeah i'm waiting for the major bond and someone like craig

[00:43:30] like really took until knives out that it's like he now has a character that is far enough away from

[00:43:35] bond right is now its own franchise he's gonna survive but you look at the craig movies in

[00:43:40] between his bond entries and most of them bomb hard and pierce this is like the one that really

[00:43:47] worked in the middle of his bond rotten because it's borrowing what is good about bond but but

[00:43:52] in this way that's the toughest needle to thread like you know connery was making movies while he

[00:43:57] was bond but a lot of the in between bond movies are a little forgotten even the good ones and this

[00:44:03] was like pierce totally knocked it out of the park so uh he and his other producing partner both

[00:44:09] st. claire great name uh rent the thomas crown affair from blockbuster video heard of it uh

[00:44:15] because they're sort of casting around do you think that like they know they want to rent

[00:44:20] thomas crown affair 1968 and they send an assistant to go in to blockbuster to get it or or do you think

[00:44:28] that pierce and bow are just like walking the aisles of blockbuster looking for inspiration

[00:44:34] and are like okay why don't we check this out i it has to be the latter just the two of them

[00:44:40] doing jack black in the holiday whatever pierce okay all right no he lives in like a fortress

[00:44:47] in malibu it's like size or like a beautiful compound uh like in hawaii on the north shore of kawaii

[00:44:54] but i also have to imagine and maybe i'm wrong about this but like at that point in time the two

[00:44:59] of them are like okay we can get some movies made what do we want to do mgmua are behind me as bond

[00:45:06] what do they have in their library that i can like right run with i'll probably be an easier cell

[00:45:12] to them so they watch the thomas crown affair and griffin they say yes this is braznan talking uh

[00:45:19] you know um the suits the love affair the chess sequence of course all very iconic but there wasn't

[00:45:25] enough flesh on the bone of the love affair i felt i thought we could explore the romance and find

[00:45:31] what actually makes this guy tick and fall in love and it dovetailed well into the persona

[00:45:35] that half was happening with myself and bond he's he's he's totally right obviously like they good for

[00:45:42] him well i think the the major change there too is that i think the characterization of thomas crown

[00:45:49] himself as a guy is a little more interesting in the original because they are playing off that

[00:45:54] like this guy's maybe close to having a psychotic break right why is he doing something this

[00:45:58] dangerous and mcqueens obviously really good but i don't think that's a strike against this

[00:46:03] movie that pierces a little more elusive as a character because the real reframing is she

[00:46:08] is the lead character of this movie yeah of yes in in every sense i would say i i accept that yeah

[00:46:15] he brings in leslie dixon who wrote mrs doubtfire the most portable move of all time ben that's true

[00:46:22] ben ben once called it once called that uh mrs doubtfire the most portable movie of all time

[00:46:27] and we asked him to name his favorite quote yeah now i'm trying to think besides run by

[00:46:31] fruiting okay what else is there uh there's of course uh hello oh sure yeah that's the quote he pulled

[00:46:38] out to back up his claim that it's the most quotable move all the time um uh i can't think of a third

[00:46:45] one ben just imagining someone writing like h e l l l l l l oh and kurt kurt wimmer who obviously

[00:46:56] i best know is like the uh sort of like um george orwell for morons uh you know equilibrium guy

[00:47:05] right like ultra violet which is one of the worst films i've ever seen not a great movie but he's

[00:47:12] he they are brought together um basically to write they had like an earlier draft that's

[00:47:17] basically just a rewrite of the original movie brazen doesn't like that uh and instead it's

[00:47:24] like leslie you're gonna do the romance stuff kurt you're gonna do the action stuff um leslie

[00:47:30] comes up with the idea of the therapist right having that having like him being able to talk

[00:47:35] about himself um a little bit more and uh they they have a fun script and

[00:47:44] who does pierce brazen like griffin newman who who has he worked with on one of his

[00:47:49] first ever attempts to break into hollywood john mctee johnny mctee yeah the world's most innocent

[00:47:54] man at this point in time um he yep he's currently uh at first he's working on 13th warrior he was

[00:48:02] supposed to make a michael creighton vehicle called airframe after that i don't know what that is

[00:48:08] yeah um but uh he jumps at the chance to re-team with braznan and i could understand him not

[00:48:13] wanting to jump onto another creighton adaptation coming off of 13th warrior uh yes mctee renan's uh

[00:48:21] take it's a love story for crocodiles they're both a piece of work it's uh you know a love story about

[00:48:28] two people who should be together there's this big obstacle they've got these razor blades installed

[00:48:33] at the ends of all of their bones is how he says uh so he really likes uh the spiky romance

[00:48:41] um and uh you know he's uh he's all for it okay so he makes the art thief change right that but then

[00:48:49] he makes yeah he changes the this script that they have its banks and then he changes it to art

[00:48:55] which is huge yeah he's basically like take the guns out but yes okay renae rusa and this is

[00:48:59] the casting coup of the movie right because she's still way she's the obvious pick like right i'm

[00:49:05] trying to think of like who are who is the obvious pick in 1999 for this role like you know

[00:49:11] nicole kibman i don't know sure nicole kibman would have made a lot of sense here's what i want to

[00:49:17] throw out that i just think is so fascinating about renae rusa and is kind of unique do you guys

[00:49:22] know what her first film credit is major league baby major league really her first movie is

[00:49:29] major league she was a model then she's sort of like ages out of modeling as happens to most models

[00:49:36] at a weirdly young age right then she's like i want to learn how to act she goes to drama school she

[00:49:42] takes classes she does like you know offbeat in theater she does six episodes of a tv show that

[00:49:49] was prematurely canceled okay and then does major league those are her first two screen credits

[00:49:55] so major league is her first movie period after only doing a handful of tv and she is 35 when that

[00:50:01] movie is filmed awesome how many actresses who are conventional a-list leading ladies start their

[00:50:08] career at 35 a time where this horrible industry is starting to push people out the door she is

[00:50:14] someone who arrives as like a grown-up yeah it's right her entire movie career is like this is an

[00:50:21] adult woman well it and she arrives at a good time yes where they still made movies about adult women

[00:50:28] just being adult women and not having to go on some sort of like journey of self-discovery to

[00:50:34] find that they're adult women you know and and whatever but i can't think of anyone currently

[00:50:40] because no there's like no 35 year old or 45 year old woman just playing a woman who's

[00:50:48] starting doing that yeah and not only that but it's like this error where i feel like her career

[00:50:53] niche becomes look a lot of these other movies they're going to cast a love interest who's 20

[00:50:57] years younger than the man right what if you want just to mix things up cast someone who can

[00:51:04] kind of stay on toe-toe with the guy in like every respect when when the film is announced

[00:51:10] variety claims that you know mgm is looking for a julia roberts caliber leaf right

[00:51:17] julia roberts is 31 at the time brosnan is 45 and and both mcchernan and brosnan were basically like

[00:51:24] we will both wanted someone in her 40s like we were like what about an age-appropriate romance

[00:51:28] and uh they both loved renae russo but like i i'm trying to like i don't think there was

[00:51:36] there's no one else listed here they are really claiming like this is who we wanted and we

[00:51:41] went and got her like yeah i i i guess there wasn't some kind of like casting search or a level

[00:51:49] you know a list or who passed or whatever i mean like where would you guys renae russo her

[00:51:55] she's a big actor that you know gets shorty tim can i can i literally yeah tinn cop can i list

[00:52:01] them because they're not that many yeah yeah yeah so it's major league mr destiny jim balushi

[00:52:08] vehicle we can disregard that one good cop michael keaton cop drama doesn't really make an impact

[00:52:13] free jack then lethal weapon three which is obviously the first thing that really ups her

[00:52:18] stock right right then in the line of fire i'm not skipping over any movies in this run

[00:52:23] you go from lethal weapon three to in the line of fire can i just um shout out for free jack

[00:52:28] which is an insane movie but is also where she meets the writer and director dan gilroy who

[00:52:33] she is still still married to good call put a pin in that lethal weapon three in the line of fire a

[00:52:39] cameo in major league two outbreak get shorty tinn cop ransom buddy lethal weapon four that's a strong

[00:52:47] fucking ruck yeah and those are all big movies that are poster yes for all of those yay yes yeah

[00:52:55] yes for someone who has been acting at that point for less than a decade

[00:52:59] she gets on the poster almost immediately like the public is buying what she's selling

[00:53:05] which is odd because it's like very out of trend with the other major actresses of that time

[00:53:10] that's true but she's sort of in vents of like a type of 90s role for herself you know like

[00:53:18] the renae russo is a character who is a grown-up in mostly among dudes yeah in like an action

[00:53:25] you know tilted movie sure but with a pinch of comedy yeah i can banter back and forth and it's

[00:53:31] like so you need a renae russo but they just don't they don't make renae russo's anymore along with

[00:53:37] making movies that have renae russo's no do you know because i found this out recently oh my god what ben

[00:53:45] she was an atasha and rocky and bull we call so well yeah obviously about it her peak as a movie

[00:53:50] star comes a year after this damn that hits for me the problem with poor renae russo's career and i

[00:53:57] love renae russo to death is after this you're like god damn well thomas crown the world must have been

[00:54:02] her oyster and then it's like rocky and bull weinkle showtime big trouble too for the money

[00:54:09] yours mine and ours and then she's out out she doesn't make movies until she pops up as Thor

[00:54:16] in i had not as Thor as Thor's mom in Thor as Frigga of course Frigga mother of Thor yeah absolutely but

[00:54:22] yeah no i mean she's since done interviews about her ongoing struggle with bipolar disorder and when

[00:54:29] she stepped away from movies after yours mine and ours that gap between uh that and o5 and Thor

[00:54:35] in 11 i think was largely uh based around that wow i had no idea it was a thing i was just

[00:54:42] in digging through her career last night found this because she never did a big sort of like

[00:54:47] people magazine cover my struggle right right she was she was on the queen latifa the short-lived

[00:54:54] queen latifa daytime talk show okay promoting nightcrawler and latifa asked us some question about

[00:55:00] like so what was your life like in those years in between and she just broke into it and was like

[00:55:05] you know i wasn't planning to talk about this today and it weirdly didn't get a lot of coverage

[00:55:10] yeah but i think now she's very open about like i've taken years off from acting because i just

[00:55:15] have trying to like regulate myself right wow and find a way to process but yes like Thor is a movie

[00:55:20] where they basically cut her roll down to two lines of dialogue she then gets more to do in

[00:55:26] the second Thor and probably gets the best of the Marvel material in end game but that's most

[00:55:32] literally what does she do in end game she she tells fat Thor to chill out and yeah like

[00:55:38] thanks mom and she's like great so the residual checks go to 123 russo street uh los angeles california

[00:55:45] his emotional arc in end game is that he's sad that his mom's died and he can't have a conversation

[00:55:50] with her and through the infinite stones he gets to go back in time and have one final day with his

[00:55:55] mother oh and she plays it very well is that why captain america gets the hammer

[00:56:01] uh no okay

[00:56:05] this is the thing about it she does really good podcasting yeah it's classic marvel

[00:56:10] the whole thing with marvel is it's not a big part of the movie and people sometimes might

[00:56:16] even forget that it's part of the movie because renae russo is there it punches above its weight

[00:56:21] a little bit like she's she's really good and she makes an effort um it's not it's not as

[00:56:28] you know it's good it's it's a perfectly nice moment you know in in a in a big loud movie

[00:56:34] can we talk about the intern for a minute well this is what i want to say so like they bring her back

[00:56:38] for the Thor movies right with very little to do in the first two and then it's like

[00:56:43] fucking night crawler an intern in two successive years yeah i'm like is renae back right has renae

[00:56:48] carved out her good renae in her 60s type right and it felt like night crawler she was on the

[00:56:53] bubble for oscar nomination intern she fucking rocks and rules in and it's one of the great

[00:56:59] movies of the 2010s are your full intern i love intern wow it is my favorite nancy movie that's a

[00:57:07] little much i i also agree that that's a little much i love intern as you know the answer to baby

[00:57:14] boom however many years later yes it's just got one problem the other intern

[00:57:24] no no they're fine you know who my you know who i don't like in the intern griffin

[00:57:28] i'd say it's i'd say it's a two-fold problem both of those problems are workaholics

[00:57:32] oh okay in different areas of oh is it the husband yeah yeah oh yeah he sucks and she stays with him

[00:57:39] yes yeah but she keeps the company too right correct yeah she has no like scales back

[00:57:46] right yeah but if she dumps him at the end of that movie the intern probably wins best picture

[00:57:51] do she get because like whatever happened with emily weiss do you guys know who emily weiss is i

[00:57:56] realize no you do you know about glossier do you know what that is oh oh which is sort of the

[00:58:00] analog of what that movie yeah so well i think i think the intern is actually supposed to be

[00:58:06] like net a port a do you know what that is yes that's it and i mean i don't know i just want

[00:58:09] to make sure everyone has a references so that's an online shopping platform but that

[00:58:13] like seems to be what they're mimicking yes because i think intern glossy maybe exists around

[00:58:19] then but it's the same era that they it it's starting sure but eventually emily weiss got

[00:58:27] interned where they hire she was the founder and then she like brought on a quote unquote CEO

[00:58:34] should like turn around the business because things were too too much but now that's what's

[00:58:39] happened in real life so i can never remember how the intern actually ends whether she keeps

[00:58:43] the company or not she wins she keeps it she keeps everything at the end of the movie okay

[00:58:48] but she should have dumped the goon right yeah she does tai chi so you know that she's somehow

[00:58:53] like sure right she sent her park yeah by the end of it um like three streets away from where they filmed

[00:59:01] where her home for the intern and i just i really had a lot of problems getting to my uh my own

[00:59:08] much less nice house uh first for several months because of nancy sure because of nancy because

[00:59:14] you know what nancy like gets the whole neighborhood shut down right you know there are trailers

[00:59:18] for and god bless her she deserves every single trailer but uh that's that's what i remember about

[00:59:23] the intern i liked it i liked it i love it no there's like 20 percent of it i genuinely hate

[00:59:28] yeah which is all this boy stuff basically but he sucks she absolutely should not be with him

[00:59:34] but like the 80 percent of that movie i love and the kitchen is a little too instagramy

[00:59:39] i would agree with that but it's like it's accurate it's reflecting she would have an instagramy

[00:59:43] kitchen right design is like correct and is a character but you know i prefer the the original

[00:59:50] it's complicated kitchen for my own life well that's that's peak kitchen but it's a kind of thing

[00:59:54] except she's renovating it sure well that's but that's why nancy was brilliant and it's complicated

[00:59:59] of she gets to show you the best kitchen but if you have any criticisms of it right yeah she's

[01:00:03] telling you well it's actually not finished yeah so don't judge it as a fixed object she's never

[01:00:07] gonna top that again that's she's never gonna get a better kitchen on screen because

[01:00:11] she's created a shadow that will loom over the rest of her career i mean that's true that's

[01:00:16] in the kitchen area but intern post that ruso does just getting started the ron shelton tom

[01:00:24] lee jones morgan freeman retirement home comedy velvet buzz off also an intern she is like the

[01:00:33] very beautiful masseuse who winds up with with robert robert deniro so like she really gets

[01:00:40] aged like category bumped very quickly in a way that i feel is unfair well it's what's interesting

[01:00:46] is like in the 90s she's leading woman to other men in their 40s and that's what's so refreshing

[01:00:51] when she comes back in the 2010s she is in her 60s playing against eight-year-olds no no no no no

[01:00:58] no no deniro is 10 years older than her it's not okay the most insane thing in the world but

[01:01:03] but the you know she's aging differently well you know robert deniro is a handsome man but yeah

[01:01:12] sure were you guys deniro pochino on that viral meme thing look the whole point of that viral

[01:01:18] meme is that it's hard to choose i'm deniro i'm deniro i'm deniro i'm deniro i'm probably

[01:01:25] i mean it's midnight run it's midnight run but like it's also like oh you have the thing of

[01:01:29] like who do i want picking me up in heat right do i want yeah like you know psycho neil mccally do i

[01:01:36] want screamy vince and hannah i'm like i think i want neil mccally like i think it's deniro but

[01:01:42] like that doesn't be pochino isn't hot like of course pochino is hot yeah i mean i think i'm

[01:01:47] pochino as well i also felt like the deniro photo chosen was extremely handsome but unrepresentative

[01:01:54] like how many times has he smiled in his life it was unfair like that and three other times

[01:01:58] you know and he does look really adorable when he does but that's not what you're getting that's

[01:02:03] not that's not the standard yeah um i just want to close the loop on the russo career thing she

[01:02:08] is that movie she has velvet buzz saw which is like great her and gilroy again doesn't work

[01:02:13] and then it's a ventures end game she has not made a movie in five years but here's another

[01:02:18] thing i found out in my digging are you aware that renae russo and dan gilroy have a daughter named

[01:02:25] rose gilroy who looks exactly like renae russo and is a blacklist screenwriter whose speckscript

[01:02:32] is now being made by apple for 200 million dollars called project or miss which i believe

[01:02:38] is a scarlett johansson chanting tatum astronaut romcom oh that movie is written by their daughter

[01:02:46] yes well doesn't that roll good for them yeah i hope it's good me too she's she's very pretty i just

[01:02:55] i just look her up looks like renae russo she does she does

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[01:04:51] so renae rousseau mc turenan loves her uh he wanted a tough cookie you know is what he says

[01:05:00] and uh but they wanted to dress her up in this way that you could you know you can still think

[01:05:06] like but she could fall in love you know she can go toe to toe with anybody in this movie but

[01:05:13] she's gonna have to become vulnerable and he thinks renae rousseau uh embodies both very well

[01:05:19] well that's like the cornerstone of it's what gives the original thomas crannaffaire juice

[01:05:25] and what this movie is trying to centralize more is these two people in this cat and mouse game

[01:05:31] who genuinely want to be in love with each other and can't decide if they're being stupid

[01:05:35] by assuming the other person genuinely feels the same way they mostly want to yes but they cut

[01:05:41] they they want to deep down right but they also had refused to acknowledge that yes and spend a

[01:05:49] lot of time and and basically have constructed their entire lives to avoid the knowledge of that

[01:05:55] the sort of michael manny i live my set by a very particular set of rules i don't break them for

[01:05:59] anyone and not only are you threatening to make me break my own rules but you're the exact person

[01:06:05] who could fuck me the most right if you were to turn on me and i'll feel like a fool if i figure

[01:06:10] out you were playing me the whole time right yes it's good shit it's just compelling backbone

[01:06:15] for a movie all right let's talk about the movie so opening of this movie is just the most joyful fun

[01:06:23] shit in the world in my opinion the initial the trojan horse heist the whole every stage of it

[01:06:30] delightful and also opening credits where the letters are swapping oh yeah and the bill

[01:06:35] conty score comes in immediately and that anytime it's piano bass yes it's a plus stuff

[01:06:41] but it's also sort of like tipping its hand to what the movie is going to be doing where the

[01:06:45] letters that are swapping are always the same letters in two positions yeah really it's really good

[01:06:51] conty freaks it in my opinion i mean he does like it's a it's a lot there's always music and

[01:06:59] like that's why i said the piano part's really good for example during that heist when there

[01:07:04] anytime that you're with uh heist crew number one and and the fake heist crew and for example

[01:07:11] they're sawing out of the trojan horse or they're trying to figure out how to cut the ac and evade the

[01:07:17] security lamps um or security cameras there is like that basically porn soundtrack you know

[01:07:23] like and that is silly you know i i was thinking a lot about like if we just recut this movie now

[01:07:31] without that part of the soundtrack and maybe like without 20 percent of like the insert shots

[01:07:37] of making keys like this might like be a masterpiece i'm gonna push back on the keys mcchernan definitely

[01:07:44] wants some sparks to fly yeah just like get cut back 20 percent you know you can't cut all of them

[01:07:50] because i want to see them sawing out of the trojan horse no i'm with you and i want to see the

[01:07:54] scuba masks that they're using so that they can breathe inside the trojan horse until they get

[01:08:00] there i'm with you 100 on the score and what i find a little frustrating about it is like 75

[01:08:05] percent of it unreservedly owns yeah and then there's just like extra toppings on the pizza

[01:08:12] where it's not even like he's making bad choices it's like you could literally go into the file

[01:08:17] and pull a couple layers out right and it would sound great yes he's just going a little too hard

[01:08:22] at times which is usually when he kicks in that like red shoes diaries vibe right and it also

[01:08:28] like the transitions are so fast you know it just goes like from one back to the other

[01:08:33] like silence is not really a part of this film at all which for the most part is good it's like

[01:08:38] propulsive the trojan horse thing i just i i really love it because it is it is like a little bit

[01:08:48] clever but also like really obvious enough for everyone to get you know it's and they even

[01:08:54] remark upon it enough in the movie that if you don't immediately get the trojan horse reference

[01:09:01] it's sort of like it very briefly explained to you it's it's like accessible well it's not eyebrow

[01:09:07] it's like middle brow trying to explain hybris i agree and it's i think that feel this way about

[01:09:13] the bill conty score too where it's like we are here to have fun guys yeah like there are stakes

[01:09:18] absolutely but like everyone relax no one's gonna die in the thomas crown affair like but also

[01:09:24] like cornerstone cornerstone and mctearnan style is i will never do something flashy at the expense

[01:09:32] of the audience understanding yes right yeah like i'm not here to impress anybody i'm here to

[01:09:37] communicate this story in a way that gets everyone on board the other thing is it's good characterization

[01:09:44] because part of the thing with this guy is that he's bored right like mcqueen thomas crown is like

[01:09:50] kind of manic and losing it this guy's trying to wake himself up again so all of this is like sport

[01:09:56] for his own amusement and part of what i think he enjoys is doing it so overtly right in everyone's

[01:10:03] face to be as obvious about it as he can right and still get away with it i mean i think that's

[01:10:09] true i do also think that mctearnan point like it is it's fun and it's for the broadest possible

[01:10:16] audience like he's stealing a monate painting you know right and like when they do run the check

[01:10:21] to be like who has been bidding on monase and it's like well like maybe half the world um

[01:10:27] but it's it's like the artist that everyone has heard of the there's that very charming scene

[01:10:32] the tour guide yeah the tour guide and the school children and it's worth a hundred million bucks

[01:10:37] it's just like great exposition but also like not talking down to anyone yeah it's it it's

[01:10:44] very well calibrated yes i want to go to the met so much that the security guards are like

[01:10:50] hey david here to look at your haystacks right ah take a seat like i i do have some questions about

[01:11:00] this thomas crowns just like general schedule and time management and we're like meant to

[01:11:06] believe he's one of the great wall street raiders of the eighties and nineties yes

[01:11:11] and like he's so busy that he has to have his like you know made to measure suits done while

[01:11:20] guys are like yelling at him about stocks yes or like whatever it or acquisitions or whatever they're

[01:11:25] doing i guess they're m&a um but he also has time to like go to up and and he works downtown

[01:11:32] which is very clear by the view in his office yeah but he has time to be at the museum

[01:11:38] like multiple times a day he takes rene russo on a date at like four p.m when leary gets the warrant

[01:11:47] and they show up at his house it's like definitely midday on a tuesday and he and his lawyer are like

[01:11:56] wearing aprons like cooking a meal in broad daylight i'm just like what kind of wall street

[01:12:01] raider are you i'll go beyond that i'll say in fact i think over the course of this movie

[01:12:06] you basically see thomas crown take rene russo out on a date at every possible time of day

[01:12:12] someone could take someone out in a date he's making it very clear there is no hour that is off limits

[01:12:17] for me it's just and plus he has to be dating the other woman or like not dating as the case may

[01:12:24] be but you know that's it's just like a lot of time spent out of the office and that is not

[01:12:29] the impression that i got about how things worked in the 80s and 90s on wall street to defend the movie

[01:12:36] i think it's like he's gotten so on autopilot buying companies or whatever the hell it is he does

[01:12:44] yeah he's just like yeah i can do this in my sleep yeah i just screwed you out of 10 million

[01:12:48] bucks i'll see you later like that's why he's like should i just fucking steal a monnais and

[01:12:54] then put it back just you know just to get a flutter just to feel something it's fair it's fair

[01:13:01] it's just this is what happens when you watch it 45 000 times it's like why is wallace his lawyer

[01:13:07] also helping him cook a midday meal on a tuesday you know i mean the my read as well is like

[01:13:16] the mcqueen character it almost feels like he is trying to tank his career and he can't

[01:13:22] yeah like he's tracy jordan and he's like i want people to hate me i want to bomb out

[01:13:28] and nothing i do ends up sabotaging my my industry right that he almost kind of

[01:13:33] lucked into all of it to a certain extent versus this guy i read it as like he was really hungry

[01:13:39] 20 years ago he got to the top of the mountain and found that he doesn't really enjoy it

[01:13:44] and now he's just near like catatonic depression board right trying to do anything to raise his

[01:13:50] pulse a little bit where he likes this game of just like what if i blow off everything what if i

[01:13:55] like invite my lawyer over and we make dinner like i know it's true it's also like the therapy

[01:14:00] scenes can we talk about the therapy scenes of course fade down away is this therapist

[01:14:05] which is just a great homage and a great bit of casting but it's like in some ways she's a great

[01:14:10] therapist because she gets right to the point and she i mean and they use her as a device to be

[01:14:15] like this is what's going on with this guy but like that's not how therapy works you're supposed to

[01:14:21] make the revelation yourself and so like he is basically just in therapy with her because

[01:14:27] she can keep up with him conversation wise and so he's the type of guy who goes to therapy just

[01:14:33] to have someone to talk to him at his level and he likes being yelled at by fade on away which

[01:14:39] i think that's a huge part of it yeah yeah if my therapist laughed and clapped that much at

[01:14:45] things i said i would maybe see a different therapist but he likes it he loves it yeah yes

[01:14:51] but she also will be like uh don't you fall in love mr crown you know or whatever uh she will

[01:14:58] call him out the early scene of him selling off the the part of his company or whatever it is

[01:15:04] right with the guys lighting the cigars in the original film that's him just being like i'm so

[01:15:09] fucking bored i want to just get rid of all of this right whereas in this movie they're trying

[01:15:14] to make this triumphant like we fucking beat you whoever thought thomas crown would need to sell

[01:15:19] anything for money we have the cigars ready to go and they try to do this big triumphant like

[01:15:24] we fucking owned your ass thing and he's so unresponsive that it's not even fun to them

[01:15:30] they want to feel like they got one over on him and this guy just like doesn't give a shit anymore

[01:15:36] no he doesn't really care so no he swipes a monnais how does he do it he stages an entire other

[01:15:42] burglary with a bunch of romanians in a trojan horse that cut the ac and they uh

[01:15:49] and they bring a helicopter to land on the roof of the metropolitain museum of art

[01:15:55] which isn't allowed uh you basically use that which is a no no

[01:16:01] they use like three different types of like inspector gadget briefcases that seem like

[01:16:05] they would come from the spy school of the month club yes yeah yeah yeah and so it's a distraction

[01:16:10] and then distraction and then he he very sexually rips the monnais off the wall

[01:16:17] in a briefcase oh okay all right and and let's talk about it folds it up folds it and have

[01:16:23] unfolds up the briefcase and he's got this continuous like Jerome robbins-esque single

[01:16:29] shots unbroken movement right pulling it off stripping it off the frame you're right it's

[01:16:35] very elegant yeah because he has to roll under the gate yes and it's just every it's very fluid

[01:16:39] movements for sure and then he like kicks the underside of the bench and then he opens

[01:16:43] the briefcase up and you're like going like how the fuck is he gonna get it in the briefcase

[01:16:47] then the briefcase like origami style unfolds in a dimension you weren't expecting

[01:16:52] right and you're like now it's all the way open he can fit it all the way in right so what's the

[01:16:56] cover because now the top of the painting is exposed correct we're all leaning in and then the movie

[01:17:01] just kind of cuts to a different angle briefcase and he you know you even see it like it cuts

[01:17:07] to a different angle and he snapped it shut right and then he's off on his way with the

[01:17:14] painting and this has like kept me up at night for I guess 25 years there should be a sound

[01:17:21] effect of wood cracking right as he folds it or which would happen yes right or the briefcase

[01:17:27] should be what I think the movie is setting up it's transformed long ways but now has a cover

[01:17:32] so in fact the dimensions of the briefcase so I've done a lot of reading about this

[01:17:36] and and I think mctearen and did talk about this at one point so he did he did right so

[01:17:41] David correct me if I've gotten this wrong but they like that cut that you singled out griff

[01:17:47] was is correct because theoretically they remove so okay a painting it's painted on canvas and then

[01:17:54] that the like the wooden thing is called a spanner correct and basically he would remove the spanner

[01:18:01] and then just fold the canvas up in the painting and the canvas would be unharmed and apparently

[01:18:07] with more of this in the film and test audiences didn't like that there was a painting getting

[01:18:13] folded folded and so mctearen and was like just cut it to the bone then just show it for a second yes

[01:18:18] because I I certainly rebounded like five times to try to track it and when he takes it off the

[01:18:23] wall you do see him stripping it to some degree and removing wood from around it taking the frame

[01:18:29] out right yeah the frame so then I was like in real time going oh clever what he's gonna do is

[01:18:34] also remove the spanner so that he can fold it just as a flat canvas but then you don't see

[01:18:38] him do that it makes sense that the movie is cutting out the footage yeah apparently there

[01:18:42] were also like knives in the briefcase that he was using to like remove the spanner but I would

[01:18:48] I know I would be very upset if you were just taking a knife to him okay you know I'm not that

[01:18:52] much of an art person so I understand the focus group of just being like no stop it according to

[01:18:58] a reddit thread that I have opened from 10 years ago Monet's style involved thick application

[01:19:03] of paint followed by heavy varnishing so the folding wouldn't wouldn't damage the painting

[01:19:09] because and then another person here has written something which is this movie makes me want to

[01:19:15] drink wine and have sex I think these are both good good points yeah right yeah is this in our

[01:19:24] slash for neighbors so what where is this posted on our movies from 10 years ago okay there's no

[01:19:29] mention of how insanely uncomfortable it would be to have sex on marble stairs which I'm sure

[01:19:35] we're going to talk about but my man is just experimenting he wants to know every surface

[01:19:41] and not all of them are going to work but then you know it for a fact like I couldn't have sex

[01:19:46] on marble stairs when I was 22 I know these are no yeah 40 some things but it's not going to happen

[01:19:51] like I like you have beds sir you are they start on the floor yeah and that looks really

[01:19:58] uncomfortable and then they're trying to get upstairs I mean at least the stairs are offering

[01:20:03] them some leverage you know and then the the the chair thing and that's when the Fiji water happens

[01:20:12] which I do believe is how I learned about Fiji water like I don't think that we had that in

[01:20:17] Atlanta in the 2000s or when I saw this back when it was a luxury item yeah but then you know the

[01:20:24] face that Beers Brosnan makes after she pours the water on him he does look like he's in a

[01:20:29] little bit of pain yes he's like maybe the stairs hurt him as well just no that's that's a good point

[01:20:35] I will say like I get the sort of heat of the moment oh the idea of this is sexy that we don't

[01:20:40] even have time to get to bed we're doing it here every time I've had sex on a surface that is not

[01:20:44] a bed it really makes me appreciate beds yeah like I'm thinking in real time god we don't give

[01:20:49] beds enough credit they're kind of the backbone of society I shout out to beds yeah so good

[01:20:56] okay but I do feel that all of the back pain and the like the marble stair sex is worth it for the shot

[01:21:04] when McTunan does a close-up of the breasts of the sculpture in Peer in Pierce Brosnan's lobby

[01:21:12] and then zooms up to the real thing I mean that that is fucking cinema the sculptures

[01:21:18] like

[01:21:22] god the 90s were a wild time to grow oh boy um yes okay so the the painting gets stolen

[01:21:29] who gets called my favorite boy wearing his his hair at its absolute worst he's got it really

[01:21:36] really tough for a guy with notoriously good hair like what happened to Dennis Leary in like

[01:21:43] sort of 98 to 99 when he suddenly has this like out of the shower like mop on his head like I don't

[01:21:50] get what it is do you guys remember the the leery sting public hair battle no no what do you mean

[01:21:59] that he has sort of like sting like hair like the classic no no no okay at some point in the 90s

[01:22:04] when I guess leery is still doing stand-up I don't remember if it was within his actor while

[01:22:09] you know doing fucking local radio shows or whatever but within some sort of comedy context

[01:22:14] leery starts aggressively making fun in some broadcast form of sting desperately trying and

[01:22:22] failing to conquer his aggressive male yeah yeah right this guy won't let it go this right I think

[01:22:29] this was uh during the MTV promo era of Dennis Leary right that sounds like yeah yeah yes

[01:22:36] and sting sort of publicly responds and is like my friend I look forward to checking in with you again

[01:22:42] in 20 years when you're fighting the same battle that I am and 20 years later leery like hit back

[01:22:49] and was like look at my fucking hair I have no idea what you're talking about I won I won

[01:22:55] I won leery has outstanding hair he always stands yeah and and I just don't know why he's doing

[01:23:02] it this I mean he's playing a deflated guy like he is supposed to be beleaguered and defeated and not

[01:23:08] able to keep up with these people he's on a different plane you know I agree with that I get

[01:23:14] it in principle I do think his hair is straight up annoying to look at even if the character

[01:23:19] I just him well looks like it looks like a 12 year old take that you know yes I like Dennis

[01:23:24] leery so this is at the end of a run in in the 90s Dennis leery was in about 25 movies like

[01:23:31] Hollywood saw this kind of handsome Irish guy explode as a stand-up and was just like

[01:23:36] he can play any copper criminal in any script ever like rarely a star almost always just

[01:23:47] showing up and going like all right listen asshole you know and like having a cup of coffee

[01:23:52] I think this is one of his best performances ever I think he's so good in this movie

[01:23:57] and you and I look we have a well-established history of loving constantly going to the mat

[01:24:02] for Dennis leery character actor one of the great unsung resources we love him in the amazing Spider-Man

[01:24:07] which he is surprisingly like low key in yes that's a movie that like eats dog shit all day and

[01:24:14] all night long is he the dad he's Gwen's he's Emma Stone's dad yeah so he has the joke about

[01:24:19] the brand Zeno right yes yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Amanda listen I was there David and I argue

[01:24:26] that's his Oscar close the best supporting actor nomination he deserved for single-handedly carrying

[01:24:32] fucking amazing Spider-Man across the finish line it's the brand Zeno scene no Andrew Garfield

[01:24:37] he's so fucking Garfield was trying he's doing his but leery's the only one who pulled it off

[01:24:42] yeah I would say there's a lot of effort in that movie yeah leery's the only one who's actually

[01:24:46] translating throughout the entire like process but no to your point like leery took a couple stabs

[01:24:53] at being a leading man and those don't work and almost anytime leery was called in as a supporting

[01:24:59] guy it's like a fucking giant hit yeah I mean the the ref Ben do you want to weigh in here do

[01:25:05] you have a leery take I feel I feel you're leaning in on leery I'd like to stand up I loved all

[01:25:10] the MTV promos of course and I do like to smoking well yeah I did like his smoking I like the ass

[01:25:19] whole song of course we all are the asshole song someone had to bring it up what are the movies

[01:25:26] that he was a lead the ref is the ref not a movie for you now I see I think you'd like the ref

[01:25:33] the ref is good you haven't seen it or you don't like it Ben I've not seen it interesting

[01:25:39] that's a little damning in and of itself although I do agree with it either interesting the ref a aka

[01:25:46] hostile hostages with Judy Davidson Kevin Spacey I apologize is a very fun crime comedy starring

[01:25:53] Dennis leery yes it's really good David am I wrong in remembering that there is a Dennis leery

[01:26:01] Janine Garofalo Ireland themed rom-com that leery maybe also wrote that sounds familiar the matchmaker

[01:26:10] is the name of that movie he did not write it the movie you're thinking of the he wrote is Two If By

[01:26:15] Sea with Sandra Bullock which I've never seen which might be good I mean seems kind of fun

[01:26:21] there's I watched his timeline of my career iconic roles whatever it was one of those

[01:26:26] videos where they're going over all his like explosive I was there two roles in these beloved

[01:26:32] 90s like natural born killers or whatever yeah yeah and then every time they get to one of those

[01:26:37] vehicles like the ref like Two If By Sea like the matchmaker which were the ones of him trying

[01:26:42] to level up to being the guy right and all of those movies he either wrote or developed

[01:26:47] or produced or something like that every one of them he had the exact same line which was like

[01:26:53] we were making something really special in the studio fucked with it like he had this recurring

[01:26:57] narrative of I should have had my like Jerry Maguire jump up moment right and other people

[01:27:03] fucked it up every time but then he also what was the early FX show that he had rescue me well he

[01:27:09] has that was kind of his yeah before rescue me he had the job shift yeah right I feel like once

[01:27:15] the job I loved which was a job was really rescue me on ABC oh in a post NYPD blue environment

[01:27:23] like can I push the limits of a little more cursing a little more of this and it was a little

[01:27:27] restrictive did you see his butt yeah I don't think you ever did no you probably thought he

[01:27:33] rescued me cop that show gets canceled right he goes to FX and rescue me is almost a soft

[01:27:39] reboot of the job but with cable over they'll let him do more which is the fact that it's on

[01:27:45] cable 9 11 had happened so rescue me is like more laden with like because that is one of the

[01:27:51] crucial immediate post 9 11 text yes is rescue me which is a forgotten show and if you put it on now

[01:27:58] you would be like how was this aired without congressional hearings because it is yes everything

[01:28:04] about it is problematic like that's the point you know they're all they're firemen and they're

[01:28:08] up to no good but it was a crucial post 9 11 thing and I think that show ended on the 10th

[01:28:15] anniversary of 9 11 that became his plan where he was like this story will end 10 years on

[01:28:21] from the day I'm looking at that yeah it aired on FX from July 21st 2004 to September 7th 2011

[01:28:28] but I think you're right that that gets all of that out of his system yeah where he's like there's

[01:28:33] a show where I'm the main creative force and I'm the lead and now I don't know any nominations yeah

[01:28:38] you know right yeah he did all that and so he's like more comfortably than just still doing

[01:28:42] his leery supporting parts on the side TV is his one outlet right right and then they try to do

[01:28:48] the rock and roll one which is the second worst hairdo he's ever had on camera yeah that was tough

[01:28:54] that was tough yeah he's uh look he's still around I just love him in this because he he makes a lot of

[01:29:01] sense as a divorced New York City cop obviously it's a it's a role he played multiple times in

[01:29:08] his career but he's just like doesn't lay it on like he's not doing the denis leery thing

[01:29:14] like that it's it's what he he's actually best at is just kind of being weary we already leery can I

[01:29:21] call out my favorite element of this performance and it's just the type of acting I love the

[01:29:28] fucking most I was on our friends uh right to touring Jordan fishes podcast to the white sea

[01:29:33] about the columbra there was just talking about behavioral acting my favorite shit in the world

[01:29:38] is when a movie whether it's the director's idea the actors are there or whatever

[01:29:42] gives the characters a menial task to do that the actor plays as more important than the actual

[01:29:48] point of the scene leery getting briefed by Frankie phase on walking through the museum being told

[01:29:55] about the case he's now going to have to devote his life to while 90% of his energy is spent

[01:30:00] on trying to make his coffee with one hand right yeah he's in one hand got creamer stirr

[01:30:06] stick right yeah yeah yeah and he's trying to get it the way he wants it one-handedly while

[01:30:12] half listening that's really it's really good yeah he should have won all four acting categories that year

[01:30:18] for this for this walk in talk he has the line of like some of the women in here wearing my salary

[01:30:23] I thought that was that's a good line yeah it's really good this is another smart though I

[01:30:27] think like mctearn and calculation I'm giving a credit for this because it feels like the

[01:30:31] kind of thing we've heard him doing although who knows if it originated with Wimmer Dixon but

[01:30:36] in a world where it'd be very easy for audience members to be like why the fuck do I care about

[01:30:41] these two characters absurd levels of wealth unbelievably carefree and beautiful everything

[01:30:48] comes to them naturally it helps to have the leery constantly calling out all of this is

[01:30:54] ridiculous yes but also leery is still like totally ensorcelled by Rene Russo which like how

[01:31:02] could you not be yeah so you know I mean there's like there's the great scene when he's like driving

[01:31:07] her and he's like are you hungry I know a pizza place and then like it's like so gently she

[01:31:12] doesn't even say anything and he's like pizza's not really your thing and then she has the

[01:31:17] iconic you know what's the matter lieutenant did she leave you for a stock broker um urologist

[01:31:23] yeah but they like and and even throughout the movie he is the rest of the movie he's like

[01:31:30] irritated by her but also like both impressed by her because she's good at her job and also

[01:31:35] obviously she's like so beautiful and seductive like that scene after their first date where

[01:31:41] he gets the report and he's like oh she went home alone you know and there's just like this

[01:31:46] twinge of him still thinking so but like you need that you need the rational person in the movie to

[01:31:54] still be drawn to these people yes to make you feel okay about the fact that like okay they're

[01:32:00] like rich and this doesn't matter but like they are appealing you're right it's key because he's

[01:32:03] got to sort of be a um it has to run in both directions yeah he has to be able to call out

[01:32:09] this entire movie is based on champagne problems and he also needs to acknowledge this is super

[01:32:15] compelling right this is exciting and i want to watch this it would be funny if you was like

[01:32:19] picking up the phone and being like yes i understand your entire family was murdered but i have to

[01:32:24] figure out who took the monay but that call out i mean yeah it's the swore's on paintings call out

[01:32:30] at the end where she goes like did you ever care about this and he's like i worked on a

[01:32:36] fucking like yeah he's like it pissed me off at first but no here are the real things right

[01:32:41] and i was working on those cases last week like my life is still yeah yeah he's of course he's a

[01:32:46] he's a detective he has many cases at the same time so okay so yeah they come in and yeah rene Russo

[01:32:53] arrives uh she's wearing like a scarf like uh she's from on dune or whatever right like it's like

[01:33:00] no she's wearing fur she's wearing the fur yeah i guess she wears the scarf later yes the scarf

[01:33:06] later yeah listen like how do you want to do the outfits should we just do outfit by outfit like okay i

[01:33:12] think so welcome to amanda dobbins's fashion corner so on this one like her first shot it

[01:33:20] starts with her shoe which is a high-heeled marry jean uh and then it scans up her leg to where she's

[01:33:28] wearing a skirt with a slit yes that's right and a garter yeah right and thigh yeah like thigh

[01:33:35] and and and a garter um which frankly i think is like gilding the lily a little bit

[01:33:42] in the context of rene Russo being incredibly sexy and like Frankie face on size ago and like whoa

[01:33:47] yeah yeah like the rest of the time she is so chic she is wearing clothes that like

[01:33:57] i imagined maybe like one day if i went to new york and i became the most powerful stylish

[01:34:03] woman in the world like this is how i would dress but there actually is no one powerful and stylish

[01:34:10] enough in the real world to pull this off like she just it's it's so stylish lots of muted colors

[01:34:20] but perfectly tailored coats chunky turtlenecks lots of turtlenecks yeah it's it's fall

[01:34:27] there's a fall vibe right sure like amazing jackets lots of different strands of pearls

[01:34:34] then of course there's all the bulgari jewelry that um is gifted to her by the product placement

[01:34:40] and she looks so incredible and maybe it's just because i'm obsessed with this movie but there's

[01:34:47] like norah effron and specifically you've got mail has like a very like a late 90s fashion

[01:34:56] thing that is like is now getting like imitated there are lots of like bad but that was a perfect

[01:35:00] like time capsule distillation of a fashion moment like it's like meg ryan is like a walking gap ad

[01:35:07] in that movie um for for that like time period but i kind of feel like the rene Russo is the other

[01:35:14] half of like the late 90s in this movie it's like a very very specific caroline beset kennedy

[01:35:21] like on steroids incredible look i just i love it when yeah which she's got the blazer sort of

[01:35:29] i don't know what is it it's like sort of like a corset thing you know like that she's wearing

[01:35:34] what she's interrogating the romeans that's really good yeah um trying to think what else i mean

[01:35:40] the see-through dress is obviously the sort of you know showstopper that she has but that's

[01:35:46] that's pinned to the breast conversation which is still to come keep that on the corkboard right

[01:35:50] i do think there's something too like she has this background as a model right like she's wearing

[01:35:57] the fuck out of those clothes yeah she knows how to enter a room in this movie with an outfit that

[01:36:02] would overcome a lot of other actresses that's true you would feel them collapse under the

[01:36:07] weight of what they were wearing or the pressure of how do i sell this like i i actually feel

[01:36:13] in this you know and can move in it but even though her background is is model and is like

[01:36:18] fairly high fashion um when she starts acting i feel like and part of this is probably the fact

[01:36:24] that she's not like a 20-something she's presented as like this is a grounded woman

[01:36:31] right we're not having the love interest in this movie be 25 year old Sharon stone

[01:36:35] it's Renee Russo she is like a grown up and she's centered right and and she is set off against

[01:36:41] Anna yes who shows up in like you know mega dealie is black leather like or faux leather

[01:36:49] tube dresses and high combat boots and all that sort of stuff who is played by a supermodel

[01:36:55] like that ester cat anatus is just a supermodel like that's all despite the fact that renae russo

[01:37:00] is like a neatly statuette right and has that presence and everything i think a lot of the

[01:37:05] movies up until this point we're playing against that and it's like putting her in more gap clothes

[01:37:12] yeah in like major league and the lethal weapons and tin cup and everything this kind of feels

[01:37:17] like the first time you're like letting renae be a close horse which obviously reaches his apex

[01:37:22] and rocky and bowland called the following year of course but there is something about like

[01:37:27] if they had asked her to do this two years off of retiring from modeling

[01:37:31] she maybe would have been like i don't want right to find myself as an actress i need to like

[01:37:36] yeah build my own identity it's so good versus now you feel like her walking into these rooms and

[01:37:41] being like i know how to fucking do this what's the name of the villain in tin cup group and

[01:37:46] played by don johnson david sims that's right the villain's name is david oh is it really

[01:37:49] yeah it sure is um so uh you know she works for insurance right uh she doesn't want uh the

[01:37:56] company doesn't want to pay 100 million bucks for a stolen monne so she's got to find it and she

[01:38:02] googles who likes monne thomas crown comes up bam she's got her man like that's pretty much the

[01:38:09] extent of her investigation has to interrogate one of the yes decoy thieves yeah very cool and

[01:38:15] violate his civil rights and in multiple languages and then figures out that they do in fact speak

[01:38:23] english and she figures out the whole decoy these guys really like don't know each other didn't know

[01:38:29] what was going on right picked up on the side of the road yeah a weird lack of planning or strategy

[01:38:34] there was a middle man she notices the thing in the bench that there are three legs in the video

[01:38:40] and two when they were walking around which is the moment that finally impresses leery

[01:38:44] beyond just her energy of fuck she's picking up on shit but also they call out that her

[01:38:51] finders fee basically if she recovers a painting is 20 of the value five five five percent it's five

[01:38:56] five million five billion bucks but even still yes for 100 million dollars you get the sense it's a

[01:39:02] little unspoken in the movie that this is probably far and away the biggest coup she stands to pull

[01:39:06] on a yeah like a pieditare in the village but she's doing great yeah yeah it doesn't have

[01:39:12] furniture though no but that's that's that's her vibe you know what does she need whatever

[01:39:17] competitive part give her a marble step part right of thomas crown that wants to do this

[01:39:23] heist for sport she's aware that she's potentially hooked the biggest fish of her career yeah

[01:39:27] yeah there's a point of pride in this um so uh the cat and mouse game begins fairly quickly

[01:39:35] after this right there's not really a lot of like other characters in this film it's you know

[01:39:43] it's pierce and renae circling each other with like leery and frankie phase on like on the sidelines

[01:39:49] you got like and paul uh fritz weaver you got paul you've got um bangers are right yeah but but like

[01:39:58] you know a thing this movie carries over from the original which is like don't make it an extended

[01:40:04] cat and mouse game she pins him almost immediately yeah and then basically starts the attitude of

[01:40:09] like we both know what happened here can we like skip the fucking right and it becomes this game of like

[01:40:16] we're just both not gonna say the thing directly but they even pretty quickly say it directly yeah

[01:40:25] like i'm trying to when is it exactly when he just starts speaking like i guess it's not

[01:40:31] on the first date no so what's the first date is the first date chifriani yeah the first date

[01:40:40] is when they go to museum when she wants to get the espresso right and it's like comes pretty quickly

[01:40:45] after so he gives a replacement painting right to which is just that's let's put a pin in that

[01:40:51] if you haven't seen the thomas crown affair in 1999 that painting is going to be important

[01:40:56] so she meets him at that gala and like outright accuses him she's just like this is you and then

[01:41:03] he asks her on a date immediately for the next night and she says doesn't deny it doesn't even

[01:41:07] attempt to deny it yeah and so the first date he takes her to the museum and then to chifriani

[01:41:15] and she does she steals his keys at the museum and they like and passes them all puts them on

[01:41:24] a dig a statue normal stuff and someone picks them up and then yeah and they go to chifriani and

[01:41:31] they do like backstory while the keys are being copied which again griffin i think you could cut

[01:41:36] that insert i i just done it and then uh damn it i i may be particularly specifically like key

[01:41:44] copying as a thing okay where it just works for me and i like watching it but but the espresso

[01:41:49] thing is such good like kind of fucking haze code flirtation screenwriting that i think like most

[01:41:57] filmmakers when you can now say anything right don't realize the effectiveness of like having

[01:42:03] that sort of coded flirtation yeah of like and there's you believe that she would be more

[01:42:09] charmed by that than him saying like so are we going back to my place right to put it in right

[01:42:16] well do you want to stay awake for another five hours or not right yeah i just find that very hot

[01:42:21] i agree super super hot i would be clear fuck both of these people they're both correct yeah

[01:42:27] absolutely either of them can take me to chifriani anytime even though the food there is terrible

[01:42:32] well this is 1999 yeah it's probably still pretty good this is seeny you know and it's just

[01:42:37] like it's i think it's still just like the one chifriani in new york as opposed to however

[01:42:42] many like members clubs or whatever this note that's a good call that's a good call i also just

[01:42:46] want to say i would probably pity fuck denise leary i do it with less gusto i would go get pizza

[01:42:51] with denise leary in a second are you kidding me to be great yeah and you know he could be like i

[01:42:56] never took any of bill bill hicks's jokes and i'd be like i know i know he didn't denise i know

[01:43:00] okay um yeah okay so yes uh cat and mouse well oh the next thing is he lets her take the painting

[01:43:07] back basically right after their first dinner or is it after they have shirts no she breaks in

[01:43:15] i know but he's letting her do it yeah yeah yeah because it's got the it's got the dog's

[01:43:21] playing poker underneath like it's you know he's yeah he's one step ahead right it's after the first

[01:43:27] date because that's how she gets the keys and she slips them back on the um and then she shows up

[01:43:33] in like her insane um knee high combat boots and they do the the 10 code digit break in and they

[01:43:41] and she finds like the button under the desk to you know right he's got a secret yeah shelf

[01:43:48] your secret painting shelf hidden behind a different expensive don't we are yeah but her

[01:43:53] read on the situation from very early on has been his motivation was you know their questions

[01:44:00] why is the guy who already owns a monet going through the trouble of stealing a monet and serving

[01:44:05] jail time right and her read is like he was tired of looking at that monet right and then yes he

[01:44:11] does this swap with the museum where to sort of make good and present a good public face

[01:44:16] he gives them a different painting from his own collection yeah uh to fill the space while

[01:44:21] they wait to recover this stolen painting he knows nothing about right but so the dogs under

[01:44:27] like it's revealed that it's a fake painting because the guy is like you've got a ghost and she

[01:44:33] tries to be like monet sometimes reused canvases but they're like did they reuse like dogs playing

[01:44:39] poker this tacky shit then I think that's when she puts on the dress and goes after that is the

[01:44:46] passionate night so like she's like I'm that son of a bitch cut to renae russo in a see-through

[01:44:53] dress at a black and white gala with a red I not quite a pashmina but I like a long red

[01:45:01] silk and shawl um and she cuts in and they have an absolutely hilarious but still sort of sexy dance

[01:45:11] like it's ridiculous and the music is ridiculous but yeah and they're also like you know trying to

[01:45:19] like shimmy a lot and the cuts are like trying to make them look as cool as possible while they shimmy

[01:45:26] but I don't know the best part though is like all of the extras everyone else who's at this party is

[01:45:30] like doing like a very very like faithful just like dance step back and forth so I decide you

[01:45:37] know and but so like when they finally make out one pierce president is like do you want to dance

[01:45:43] or do you want to dance do you want to dance that was the big trailer and then

[01:45:47] and she like thinks about it for a long time I mean and they're just like all these people

[01:45:52] shuffling at the edge of the frame and they're like dumpy black and white outfits just being

[01:45:56] like do do do do it's really really funny there is it feels like the Muppet show at the dance

[01:46:01] scale where the puppets are limited and how much they can dance together yeah it's really good

[01:46:07] her 10 second reaction shot oh my god it's so long whether or not to kiss him yeah uh is what

[01:46:15] should have single-handedly gotten her in the best actress lineup in 1999 I know it's a tough year

[01:46:21] she's on my belly baby that's that fucking moment's incredible because like I related to uh

[01:46:28] in uh Mission Impossible dead reckoning that's the end of the title it never had part one

[01:46:32] in the title right what are you talking about your memory is false there's the

[01:46:35] moment when Tom Cruise asked Haley Atwell are you okay and you watch 10 seconds of her processing

[01:46:42] right yeah yeah yeah and it's a similarly stunning like extended 10 seconds of actress

[01:46:47] playing a bunch of emotions only on her face right but that is very expressive Rene Russo

[01:46:52] barely moves a muscle and in 10 seconds you watch her go through seven cycles of thinking

[01:46:58] right about whether or not she should do it strategically and whether or not she wants to

[01:47:02] do it also while like arched backwards yes like in a very like po you know because they had to set up

[01:47:08] this shot the camera is like up above the people are shuffling back and forth around her and she

[01:47:14] also keeps moving forward in increments and then sort of stopping herself doing another gut check

[01:47:20] before she that's the power of Pilates you know it's fucking incredible here's a question to the

[01:47:25] group mm-hmm when she shows up that night yeah in that outfit yeah do you think what's

[01:47:30] driving her is the moment with the dogs now has really turned her on the level of guy she's playing

[01:47:36] with there's something exciting and thrilling to her of like I've met my match versus this guy is good

[01:47:43] I need to step up my game and playing the act of seducing him in order to nab him or both

[01:47:48] operating at equal levels at that moment um I I think she's just kind of like this is it's

[01:47:55] on now like this is really he ups it to a level and she's like okay yeah like if this is how you

[01:48:02] want to play then this is like how we're gonna play but it's also an aphrodisiac right yeah oh of

[01:48:06] course of course but I think that's like they're like their whole thing is like this is all one big

[01:48:11] turn on to them right you know this is this is what they they're two people who really enjoy the

[01:48:17] hunt yeah um yeah exactly right they are it's it's less cat and mouse and more like cat and cat

[01:48:23] or whatever yeah yeah exactly but you basically then roll into I think a lot of movies attempt to do

[01:48:31] and I think often if you're too far into ridiculousness or feeling like porny of we are going to convey

[01:48:39] to you one week of these two characters having the most insane sex imaginable right they just cannot

[01:48:44] terror themselves off of each other and it's awesome you believe it you do believe it no no

[01:48:50] they're this is this is the most fun they're having it's like you know of course there's the element

[01:48:58] of like this can't last forever right she's chasing him blah blah but it's the initial insane passionate

[01:49:04] sex marble steps fiji water and then the martinique like adventure okay well we skipped the glider

[01:49:14] okay because I dream between okay yeah because here's what happens okay so the basically they

[01:49:20] do the glider and then they like land in some random field because that's what happens when you

[01:49:27] do a glider which is one of the many reasons I'm confused by gliders and so he calls of

[01:49:32] someone to pick them up and then they get on the plane and she says that island isn't Manhattan

[01:49:38] you know because instead of going back to the city they go to martinique but yeah so the glider

[01:49:44] I guess the glider is supposed to be like the romance moment of this and also it is an homage to

[01:49:49] the original um it's an homage right my wife was like what is this why would anyone get in one of these

[01:49:57] like no that is my question like what what's up with gliders why are people doing that I

[01:50:02] did as someone who hates planes do you find gliders more or less terrifying I mean I'm not

[01:50:07] getting in a glider but like like I assume the point of a glider as not it's not not someone who uses them

[01:50:15] is that it's sort of like without the noise and business of airplane engines you really feel like

[01:50:20] you're flying right like it's like you're not like you don't feel like you're being held up there

[01:50:25] by machinery you're swooping in the air and isn't this wonderful I kind of like respect gliders

[01:50:32] because I respect that planes and you know are designed to stay in the air right like which is

[01:50:38] something I think about when I'm afraid of flying is like they're aerodynamically supposed to be

[01:50:43] in the air and that's what a glider is right like stays in the air right but no I would not get in

[01:50:49] a glider Jesus I mean it stays in the air until it doesn't right well that's one thing I would

[01:50:56] be thinking about aren't you gliding down like isn't the point like because I mean that's what

[01:51:01] happens in the movie is that they just they glide for a while and I had to tell you it's like when the

[01:51:05] Bill Conti score is like at its peak and also it's it's fall in New York you know don't you just

[01:51:11] love fall in New York I want to send you some freshly sharpened pencils um like it's it's really

[01:51:18] beautiful scenery yes so they got that and that is that's powerful as someone who relocated

[01:51:24] from the east coast and we don't have that kind of fall anymore like I appreciate having that on

[01:51:29] like on camera another thing you've got mail captures very yeah it really does um but but this

[01:51:35] is maybe I mean somewhere within this sequence is when they start layering in windmills in my mind

[01:51:41] yes the first time yeah is that correct they pay auditory homage to it I love that in

[01:51:49] the I think the nudity in this sex scene is very like hot and natural but even hotter is the

[01:51:54] she's just walking around topless stuff yeah in martini yeah so like that's powerful you don't see

[01:52:01] that yes movies a lot it's like that plus the red hat oh the hat this or this movie is important to me

[01:52:08] for many reasons and it has like all of the things that I love in a movie um hot people heists

[01:52:15] New York yeah like a sense of fun filming on location um but I it's the martini scene

[01:52:22] and that is like my dream vacation vacation home like that is it it's perfect there's no one else

[01:52:30] around he unveils a closet of clothes that are cut just you know are gonna fit her yeah

[01:52:36] he starts cooking the perfect blue shutters the bougainville the view then she makes it

[01:52:43] down to the beach wearing a red hat a towel and and no top just absolute legend in the game like

[01:52:51] that it's just and then they have that sexy dinner yeah where he's like do you want to open this

[01:52:57] unmarked paint like crate that has a painting in it and she puts it in the fire and then

[01:53:03] they just like stare at each other just like that is some of the hottest shit I've seen

[01:53:09] not intended for a long time like the the extended him saying do you want to see it you're sure you

[01:53:16] don't want to see it can I show it to you it's just as if he's like a fucking 15 year old boy

[01:53:21] it's really at a party with me really really good stuff right but it's so much more elevated

[01:53:26] I mean this is the section of the movie where they catch feelings yeah where it like evolves

[01:53:31] from just being the hottest weekend in the world to oh fuck we care about this more than we

[01:53:36] ever want to admit to ourselves or each other she's realizing that he is getting ready for his escape

[01:53:40] and so she's confronted with like oh he might you know not be around much longer well and the great

[01:53:46] dialogue exchange where she kind of looks at him and like the game recognize game way and goes like

[01:53:51] man this must fucking hit every time you bring someone here and he just says I don't bring

[01:53:56] other people here in a way that is guileless that isn't like him trying to convince her

[01:54:01] you don't think it's like just him buttering her up uh disney just announced that uh moana

[01:54:07] two is going to come out in november guys just f y i'm sorry wait a second i know i had to tell you

[01:54:13] i'm sorry and i know we have a moana film that has quietly been made that is coming out within

[01:54:19] this calendar year that is correct that is correct thanksgiving moana two an animated film

[01:54:25] and then there's also still live action moana happening i mean who knows but you know did you

[01:54:31] did you see that moana is still the most watch movie on all of streaming for like the six consecutive

[01:54:37] year i've contributed many a viewing of that yeah the children they love it i thought that i've

[01:54:42] still never seen moana um wait you have a kid i guess he's only two yeah here that here at

[01:54:49] noxious in three movies in his life would you like to know what they are singing in the rain

[01:54:53] number one singing in the rain number two mary poppins number three top gun maverick i mean he's

[01:54:57] bad for you for three right now keeping it real all right my values are being handed down to nox

[01:55:06] amanda i'm completely the same the first thing i showed my kid was panjo like i i i have also

[01:55:11] like trying to show her things she likes but you are about to enter an era of them being able

[01:55:16] to be like that it's true i got it i want i got a picture from him at the playground today

[01:55:22] and he was like holding a bluey something that some other kid had brought and i was like you don't

[01:55:28] know what bluey is but i know what it is you're gonna love bluey just you really should start with

[01:55:34] yes amanda and when you do start texting me about it please here's what right now we're

[01:55:39] obviously a sasame street family and then also smart are we good yes snoopy and and like the

[01:55:45] charlie brown specialist have a good kid because charlie brown christmas is like his favorite

[01:55:49] thing that he's ever seen i'm counting that as a tv show and not a movie if you count that as a 30

[01:55:53] minute movie then he's seen four films no i think tv special tv special yeah he also he's gotten into

[01:55:59] snoopy through finding snoopy in the vestibule right that was the entry point yeah well thank

[01:56:04] you to netflix who did send a stuffed snoopy to our house and that sleeps with him every night

[01:56:08] okay um so that was the entry point yeah that that was i don't know moana too i thought the

[01:56:14] young woman whose name i can't remember who uh is the voice of moana it was it was very good

[01:56:19] in mean girls i think she's a real talent she's great i love her yeah i just i david i feel like you

[01:56:26] back this up a nick dotley everyone i know with a child of a certain age is like the overlap in

[01:56:32] the venn diagram of movie my kid wants to watch a million times and movie i'm least annoyed by

[01:56:38] watching a million times moana is right in the center yeah moana is a really easy watch um

[01:56:44] and is a great movie as we've discussed on this very podcast it had its own episode

[01:56:49] wait who's directing the sequel i didn't even think of that probably not muskier and clements

[01:56:53] no i'd imagine not uh anyway so to honestly we're kind of close to the end after martin

[01:57:00] nick because what i guess what's left after that is the only part of thomas crown affair i don't

[01:57:06] like he offers her 10 million yeah to drop it away right so like at that point they are fully

[01:57:14] acknowledging it like you know and they also had some like pillow talk when they're both totally

[01:57:18] naked in bed which did you either of you guys watch season three of the morning show no have you

[01:57:23] heard about jennifer anison's nude scene yes with john ham no it's not totally nude but basically

[01:57:29] they are they are ripping off that shot in thomas crown affair where she is like fully draped over

[01:57:35] him in bed and some linens are flowing right and it's like um and it's well lit so that happens

[01:57:43] and they talk about fevery um in bed and then he's like i'll give you 10 million to come away with me

[01:57:53] and she's like you know but we would be on the run and and he like offers to teach her how to hide

[01:58:00] the line i was looking forward on the quotes page but there's the line he has a response to

[01:58:04] that yeah where he's like we'd be on the run with resources we'd be fugitives with means yes

[01:58:11] that makes a big difference yeah yeah yeah as soon as she comes back is when leary gives her

[01:58:16] the photos of him with anna right which i just have no patience for because i just the the thing in

[01:58:21] the thing uh in any movie where she's like what is this picture and he's like i can explain and

[01:58:26] she's like you know what you know what i don't want you to explain and i'm leaving right now

[01:58:30] and he's like but i literally the words she's my daughter are the next words out of my mouth and

[01:58:34] she's like no no no no i don't want to hear you know like and so we have to wait 20 more minutes until

[01:58:40] he reveals yes this is my like adopted the art for yeah like my legal word i like i like the

[01:58:47] twist of her being the fourth yeah it's it's it's a good yeah it's good and it's the and the

[01:58:53] paternal pride of the guy in jail smiling at his daughter's work the fucking great mark

[01:58:59] when they first talk about the photos they're in the car and she's like jimmy pull over like and he

[01:59:07] says jimmy keep driving and i just really feel for jimmy the driver in that seat like really what are

[01:59:12] you supposed to do no right choices yeah it's but it's very uncomfortable he eventually stops and

[01:59:17] he listens to renew so which is that i do think the right thing to do yeah yeah but i must be

[01:59:22] uncomfortable for jimmy but i do think yeah there's the unspoken code if you're a good

[01:59:27] private driver of like look if a woman says she wants to get out of the car you let her out of

[01:59:31] the car right yeah she gets out of the car yeah like central park or whatever right um but i mean

[01:59:35] this is the frustrating part of like every rom-com where the two characters get in a fight about a

[01:59:40] lie and then you're just like how long until they get back together yeah uh this movie has

[01:59:45] the advantage of they need to stay in each other's orbit because of the actual things

[01:59:49] happening even if there's tension between them um but the original time is crown it sets up

[01:59:56] this final gambit of what i was just gonna say in the in the movie's defense and in like renae ruso's

[02:00:02] defense of these photos like the way that tom's crown is dancing with ana at the gala before

[02:00:09] she interrupts is like a little more intimate than i would want my prospective partner to be

[02:00:16] with his supermodel legal war i would know what i'm saying i would agree like there's a little

[02:00:20] bit more of a suggestion of something grown up there he's not a hundred percent vindicated

[02:00:27] by the review i just i'm just the vibes were weird between them yeah and it's like that when she

[02:00:32] comes shows up the next time and like she's just sitting in her little tube top dress right on

[02:00:38] his bed i like it's it's very confusing it's not a full six sense now i replay at my mind

[02:00:44] and there was no one there and nothing was happening there's like a lot of nuzzling in that in

[02:00:49] basically every interaction they have which i again she's european but i don't know

[02:00:57] but the thing i like about the art fordger twist is that it does show his strength of character

[02:01:04] that there's a reason why he won't explain it to renae ruso the longer it goes on you're

[02:01:10] like if he has an excuse why wouldn't he tell her right and it's because there's another person

[02:01:15] who needs to look out for it yeah right but no she goes right to denis larry she's like he's

[02:01:20] going to steal another painting and i have the pictures of the corners right it's time to go

[02:01:27] and the last and then we go right into the um you know the the migrete son of man uh bowler hat

[02:01:34] heist like the the the wonderful final heist of the film i was just gonna say the original

[02:01:39] film has this ending that i could not even uh explain in detail but basically thomas crowns

[02:01:47] sets a morality trap for her where he tells her the plans of the next crime he's going to do

[02:01:55] and then sets this test of like if you try to stop me then i'll know it's this and if you don't

[02:02:01] it's that and he's putting her in the position of either like you run away with me or you catch

[02:02:06] me and then ends up to be a red herring and he like leaves her a message in a way that makes it

[02:02:12] clear that he does love her but he's running away so that she doesn't get tagged with his crime

[02:02:18] i watch this like not having seen it in a bit trying to remember how they shake out the ending

[02:02:24] where there's a similar thing of like how does he not make her culpable right right right how

[02:02:29] could they possibly find a happy ending for each other that i do think this movie sets up well

[02:02:35] a very complicated way of being able basically for the characters to have their cake and eat it too

[02:02:40] yes that doesn't feel like a cheat and also feels like pretty exhilarating in the moment like the final

[02:02:47] set piece with the magrie throwback and then all the people in bowler hats is just it's like very

[02:02:53] funny and memorable and then cut to he sets off some smoke bombs or something i don't understand

[02:03:01] why he needs to set off the smoke bombs if he's just going to hit the fire alarm but maybe the

[02:03:05] sprinklers aren't activated unless they're smoke anyway yeah and the he's jammed the track of the

[02:03:12] painting protection whatever so that with with crown enterprises pencils freshly sharpened

[02:03:19] really great freshly sharpened pencils are they sharpened though they look pretty fucking

[02:03:23] sharp to me so the sprinklers go off on the pizarro that he loaned to the museum

[02:03:28] and it turns out that the pizarro was a forgery in water paint done over

[02:03:35] the original monne that he stole and so the water paint gets washed away by the sprinklers

[02:03:40] and the monne is right there back on the wall he had returned it almost immediately after he

[02:03:46] stole it the layers of this are so much fun and in a way as we're saying it's more impressive

[02:03:50] that the movie is able to make you understand all of this without any wind up or like post

[02:03:56] heist explanation but that you think the movie is presenting for you oh it's a reverse heist

[02:04:02] the thing he needs to do to dig himself out of this is to somehow get the painting

[02:04:06] back in its original spot without anyone catching him which would then prove that he stole it in

[02:04:11] the first place right which already is a fun twist in a heist movie and then you realize

[02:04:15] that's never what actually was going on it was there the whole fucking time he just needs

[02:04:20] the theatrical circumstances to reveal what has been the case for a long time right which rules

[02:04:27] it's so good he does steal another painting of course but she returns it so i guess no harm no

[02:04:32] right and they don't even bother explaining how he stole it yeah which i think is is smart

[02:04:40] there was some notion of i think this sequence being longer and mcternum is like who cares at

[02:04:44] this point you're more invested in the fun and and in the romance like but that's also i was gonna say

[02:04:51] yeah it's his final i love you which is i'm giving you a painting that you can return so you can get

[02:04:57] the fee that i deprived you of right from wrapping you up in my complicated thing right

[02:05:03] though she does say that her people don't represent that one so i think she's still gonna

[02:05:07] find a way to get a commission off of that i guess so i mean my main issue is the way that

[02:05:11] she returns it is that she's like absolutely heartbroken at jfk and just hands it over to the

[02:05:18] like united airline lady and is like can you just like give this multi-million dollar painting

[02:05:23] can i buy a seat for this painting no and she and then she's just like the very nice person

[02:05:29] at the the ticketing gate at jfk is like sure but it won't get there till tomorrow and she's

[02:05:35] like that's fine and i'm like this painting does not need to go in jfk lost and fat you know like

[02:05:42] we've all had experiences i don't have a lot of confidence that it's actually getting back

[02:05:46] it's high risk yeah my my read when she calls out that it's not uh one of the galleries that

[02:05:52] she represents or whatever that it's like if he stole another painting that would directly

[02:05:56] be under her purview he'd be making her more complicit right versus her just kind of being

[02:06:02] able to now be a good Samaritan right and also now it's like not her problem so she can go and like

[02:06:08] you know hang out with her own kind of morality test of what she does right right we already talked

[02:06:13] about denis basically hand waving the whole thing perfectly like that great little bit of

[02:06:19] screenwriting but i love her reaction to thomas on the plane is initially like screaming and

[02:06:25] throttling him yeah not just like really really good breezy great let's go you know

[02:06:33] so can i ask now that those paintings have been returned is he in the clear does he have to go

[02:06:38] to a non extradition country like what you know great question probably in the clear

[02:06:44] i think trying to prove it would be it would be like what's the crime at a certain point like

[02:06:49] well that's what i was gonna say i think that's the real messaging of the final leery scene as

[02:06:56] much as it's about his character in their relationship he's also saying like these are

[02:07:00] victimless crimes that were done for this guy's amusement everything has now basically been

[02:07:06] reset to the way it needs to like if anyone appointed a gun at anyone in this movie it would

[02:07:10] be a little different but no one does like the worst crime he commits is like breaking the METS

[02:07:17] air conditioning system which is rude of him but you know that that's about it i think

[02:07:23] but also like all the game pieces are reset on the board now so you're really gonna waste like

[02:07:28] taxpayer dollars prosecuting and investigating right to perfectly horny people right let them

[02:07:36] your honor yeah no it's what i like about that scene where he's like this is a waste of my time

[02:07:42] right to follow this totally and i like in the like in the context of the movie it's a very elegant

[02:07:48] way of making everyone feel okay about rooting who they're rooting for and like and and making you

[02:07:54] feel okay that you're not that worried about the stakes because like i'm not it's just it's

[02:07:59] so every it's gonna be fine but i'm just like are they on the run now i don't you know like

[02:08:05] does he have access to all his assets like maybe it's just a new york thing and yeah i think

[02:08:10] it's people aren't gonna care if they are on the run it is a very lush run that they're like they can

[02:08:16] go to many countries probably and enjoy fine life my my read is that the coup he pulled off

[02:08:23] is that the end result is they don't need to be on the run right right maybe they don't want to

[02:08:27] flaunt everything they're doing loudly because it's like they they are still like chasing down

[02:08:34] the forager right you know so it's like and denis leary even is kind of just like i mean we have to

[02:08:41] you know i'll do what they tell me we have to like follow these things he's like you didn't think

[02:08:44] we just gave up on the forager but yeah it's like it doesn't and the museum guy is pretty pissed off

[02:08:52] you know like they've shut down the impressionist wing so that he can't just walk in and put it

[02:08:57] back because they have been insulted you know so i like i don't know if the museum is going to

[02:09:03] drop it necessarily because it doesn't set a good example right just a terrible example i would say

[02:09:07] it's a terrible example but i also i imagine it's a little bit like a like a lost dog poster sure that

[02:09:13] adds like no questions asked underneath right okay you know what in the greater good of the thing

[02:09:18] even if we know that you're like running a con on us and we're paying you money to give back

[02:09:22] what you stole yeah we'd rather just have everything where it's supposed to be no harm no foul

[02:09:27] fair enough yeah but it's also it's like the it's the fugitives with resources line where i

[02:09:32] think part of it too is like this guy is so high level in society so rich yeah that like normal

[02:09:39] laws kind of don't apply to him right as long as there are no loose ends to what he did right

[02:09:44] everyone's just gonna go like whatever yeah yeah we he plays by a different set of rules

[02:09:48] it's true yeah um i do of course want to know they of course did not shoot in the met uh

[02:09:53] because the met doesn't want that um so they built the met um but a lot of location

[02:09:58] stuff in this movie that is very nice didn't they use the new york public library for like some of the

[02:10:05] some of the exteriors sure yeah or the i think that they i think they use the met for the

[02:10:09] exteriors but maybe some like the lobby stairwell stuff that makes sense yeah the really impressive

[02:10:15] when he walks in and is like let's play ball you know it's like that is in a set right like

[02:10:23] that's that's a lot of stonework i don't know that no you're right i mean i don't know

[02:10:30] are they building marvel staircases for well yeah what's that apartment of his yeah exactly

[02:10:37] but uh townhouse you know uh that monay is not uh at the met you have to go to cardiff to see it

[02:10:43] maybe one day i will well he should play the box office game griffin is there anything else

[02:10:47] can i just say i just say one thing yes so he pulls it off he does right he does it yeah

[02:10:55] it pains me to have to admit this but i don't think that if it were me

[02:11:01] that i would be able to pull it off normally you could do the right right then tends to watch

[02:11:07] any heist movie okay worth or crime movie where things go wrong and be like i could you could

[02:11:12] have navigated that his famous line i would end up within island the movie would end with me

[02:11:18] owning an island okay and so this is very big and mature of ben to admit that the movie heist is

[02:11:23] better than what he could pull off it's very very clever right oh yeah absolutely and it requires

[02:11:31] a level of art history knowledge and i don't think i could fit under that gate so you know

[02:11:38] right yeah i'm impressed i have to okay it's very big of you ben this uh as we said comes out uh sleep

[02:11:45] success uh a sleeper success to the extent that it totally masks the odor of 13th warrior coming

[02:11:52] out in the same month and the experience is so good i feel like mctearnan talks about this as

[02:11:57] being his favorite of his movies and definitely feels like in an alternate universe this is the

[02:12:04] career transition point where the next phase of his career is making these types of high-class adult

[02:12:09] thrillers right and instead he goes well this works so well why don't i re try to replicate

[02:12:15] the same circumstances of this movie as much as i can re-up with mgm for another norman

[02:12:20] jewison remake and he does two disastrous effects um but this movie comes out on the

[02:12:29] box office game weekend does it not david uh as it comes out uh the same weekend august 6 1999 as

[02:12:35] what's the film griffin the sixth sense the sixth sense uh which is what originates the box office

[02:12:41] game as a segment on our podcast covering six cents very early on where i tried to see if i could

[02:12:46] guess what else opened because i remember it being this multi-car pile up weekend right where a

[02:12:51] bunch of stuff went out and everything kind of underperformed other than six cents yeah what's

[02:12:56] number three what's number one no no no thomas crown is opening number four it opened to 14 million

[02:13:02] dollars but it legged out to 70 125 worldwide it was the sleeperhead it's the only one that actually

[02:13:09] held on because the other i know these are all out of the five the other movies that bombed this

[02:13:14] weekend are mystery men iron giant and dick yes oh dick i remember three great movies

[02:13:20] bombing heart number two would have been a holdover from july number two has been in the

[02:13:26] num it's yeah it's been out for a month what's the movie is it is it blare witch the Blair witch project

[02:13:33] yeah all right one of the biggest movies of the year obviously and another horror film people are

[02:13:39] having some summer horror with six cents and Blair witch project but number three

[02:13:44] is a movie that i saw in theaters uh romantic comedy Amanda you may have seen it in theaters

[02:13:51] star driven is it a movie david with the most successful joke in the history of cinema

[02:13:56] the most successful line reading i've ever seen delivered in a movie theater yes runaway bride yep

[02:14:01] hector alessandro's fedex joke of course is what i'm referring to you david says he is never

[02:14:08] to this day seen a warmer reaction to anything from an audience in his life insane when he made

[02:14:13] that joke Amanda uh tell the joke again uh it's you know when she does the runaway bride right like

[02:14:20] she finally does it uh she give you you're not sure if she's gonna do it and then she runs away

[02:14:25] and jumps onto a fedex truck and i think jolly fisher uh no read a wilson sorry not jolly

[02:14:32] fisher says where's she going and elizando says i don't know but she'll be there by

[02:14:37] 10 30 tomorrow and the audience went insane uh do you like runaway bride Amanda no not really

[02:14:47] it's okay but i mean you're right that i saw it this opening weekend when in 99 does nottinghill

[02:14:54] come out 99 came out uh nottinghill came out a little earlier right may uh well let's see i think

[02:15:00] nottinghill is may and runaway brides end of july yeah correct nottinghill's not even in the

[02:15:05] box office this anymore rude it had its run it had its run uh so number three runaway bride number

[02:15:11] four thomas crown number five uh ben we were just talking about this movie oh my god uh you love the

[02:15:17] song from the two of you we're talking about this without me no you were there too you were there

[02:15:23] to uh there too uh then there's a rapper is in the film and he has a song attached to this film

[02:15:30] agrippin and ben yes of course it's a song that's been sort of lodged in my brain

[02:15:37] in your head like a sharks fin sort of at the top of my head people were a sharks fin

[02:15:43] which elopold jay says his head looks like a shark fin my hat is like a shark's fin my hat sorry

[02:15:48] sorry i don't have the line committed to memory the same extent you do yeah so deep blue sea uh i

[02:15:53] don't know where you are in deep blue sea amanda if you're anywhere is that the one where

[02:15:58] is it sam jackson gets eaten like very dramatically i mean that's where i'm fun movie yeah um uh

[02:16:05] number six is mystery men number seven inspector gadget uh reboot inspector gadget with griffin

[02:16:10] newman uh number eight the haunting uh number nine new this week the iron giant completely tanking

[02:16:17] number ten insane american pie um and dick doesn't even make the 10 dick opens at 11 or 12

[02:16:24] number 12 behind the 12th weekend of the phantom menace brutal pretty brutal wow great movie dick

[02:16:32] very funny movie and and one of the most exciting box office weekends of all time we've done it before

[02:16:39] will we do it again we might be done this is the good question any filmmaker bring us back to

[02:16:44] this weekend this might be the final time we ever did talk about uh it's uh fuck uh he also

[02:16:50] did the craft and he did hamlet to andrew fleming andrew fleming yeah maybe we'll do an andrew

[02:16:56] fleming series i don't know whether throw them on a bracket i have to leave those are blackjack sure

[02:17:01] yeah uh we could do a one one episode kinka usher series we could uh for mystery men but yeah

[02:17:08] we're probably winding down we could do Blair witch on patreon it's not new this week not new

[02:17:13] i'm talking about new race this week so you know it's a great movie so good that as i said

[02:17:19] mctearnan wrote a sequel in prison called thomas crown and the missing lioness so let's let's game that

[02:17:25] out a little can we all right let's also call out quickly in like i think 2007 when mctearnan is at

[02:17:33] a low close to getting sentenced yes um mgm announced we're doing a thomas crown affair sequel

[02:17:40] we've hired paul verhoeven yep to direct with pierce returning the female lead we're going to cast

[02:17:46] either charlie's there on our angeline a jolly where the two people in talks and it was a remake of

[02:17:51] topkaki yeah they were doing it diehard style taking another script and turning it into a

[02:17:57] thomas crown sequel i do kind of feel that that is pierce turning on someone at a low moment

[02:18:04] you know i that's that's tough but also as you guys will get into mctearnan sort of

[02:18:10] you know he makes some choices and then he was living with those choices i don't know how you

[02:18:15] have this movie end this way and not bring renae back i agree that's what's the greater offense to

[02:18:21] it would stink um yeah yeah but the mctearnan the verhoeven of it was exciting as an idea

[02:18:26] the missing lioness yes that's what it was called um it was about some lioness statues from 1100 bc

[02:18:35] apparently oh great you know some kind of legend yes uh i so i assume it's them stealing

[02:18:42] them or something i don't know or maybe someone else stole them and then they have to help find it

[02:18:50] or they're trying to find it to out with them it's sort of like a oceans 12 uh what's the

[02:18:57] the night fox situation you know where you've got two of us right a high star yeah that that could

[02:19:03] be fun we should note of course that michael b jordan supposedly was going to reboot right

[02:19:09] this is thomas crown uh but he's in a similar position to peers where it's like i have a franchise

[02:19:15] at mgm right they want to keep me in house what do we have the rights to that we could refit around

[02:19:20] you right that keeps they keep making it sound like every year begins with this is the year

[02:19:28] the michael b jordan thomas crown affairs finally going to go into production yeah and it's been

[02:19:32] that for seven or eight years but they seem adamant that it's actually gonna happen this year

[02:19:37] well okay i'll believe it when i say we'll see i like michael b jordan i just him doing something

[02:19:43] like that successfully would be exciting because he hasn't really done that successfully i like

[02:19:50] michael b jordan a lot and i think he has a lot of charm and charisma um and i guess you know they

[02:19:58] could re the nice thing about this thomas crown affair is that he is like debonair in a way that

[02:20:05] is like kind of like bond but actually more fitted to talk to pierce braznan's vibe than bond is so you

[02:20:13] know i'm sure they can fit it to michael b jordan's vibe that said i don't know if i think he's like

[02:20:21] really good at acting so that is tough it i wonder if he can how many movies does he have

[02:20:27] like sexual charisma in you know and it's like that's going to be crucial to a thomas crown

[02:20:32] but should he be expressing that more often than his work is that one of the reasons he should a lot

[02:20:38] of his career hasn't lived up to what we thought if he can like if he if he can he should and i'd like him

[02:20:44] to um amanda thank you so much for doing this thank you so much for having me a long time

[02:20:50] honor such a fan of your work thank you so much i'm such a fan of uh blink check i'm really excited

[02:20:56] to be here also thank you as always for answering my texts about um animated films we were giving

[02:21:01] you some tips on what was going to get nominated yeah and what i should pick whenever i need you guys

[02:21:05] you're right there it's like a phone a friend situation i just want to call out if you revisit the

[02:21:10] text thread and scroll up i called out robot dreams as a surprise you did and david shot it down

[02:21:17] as like yeah that's some lights camera jackson okay see shit uh but no people liked it people

[02:21:23] liked it i figured what what did turtles got snubbed what got snubbed in the end was it

[02:21:28] turtles that got this was my argument i mean once again revisit the text thread i said there's no way

[02:21:34] they will let themselves nominate turtles and spider verse in the same year well you know okay and you

[02:21:39] were right that was my stance it's just like the same space it seems like a perfectly solid five

[02:21:45] except for elemental uh anyway you know that i didn't think that was good no now i have maybe

[02:21:52] been setting up the perfect heist in this episode which is i have another podcast record

[02:21:57] that i need to get to across town so i need to exit the studio as quickly as possible

[02:22:00] i am now assigning ben and david with doing the outro all right i'll do it oh wow okay um thank you all

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