The Truth About Charlie with David Lowery

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check Have you ever been in love and podcast, Joshua?

[00:00:24] Can't say I've had that pleasure, Reggie. Well, you're still young. Maybe you still have a chance. Love and podcast, I don't know. Yeah, that's about as good as you can get. I was watching the movie looking for possible quotes.

[00:00:38] And also David and I were talking about this and we'll talk about this, but we got too many Davids this episode. Too many Davids. We got hashtag the two Davids. Or as you said, these are the Davids I know. They're all here. All two of them.

[00:00:52] But the lines that stick out to me most in this movie are the lines that are directly lifted verbatim from charade, which are the lines that stick out like a sore thumb because they're clearly out of a different movie. A different screenplay.

[00:01:05] Every time they reappropriate a line that I find so charming and charade, you're like, where the fuck did this come from? Right. It does not fit whatsoever. Yeah. Is he the only writer on this? No, no. It has four writers. Okay. You want... Can I talk about this?

[00:01:18] Four writers. One, Jonathan Demi, who often is not credited as a writer on one of his films. That's true. Right? That's true. Two is Steve Schmidt, who when I clicked on Wikipedia, it directed me to Steve

[00:01:29] Schmidt, the campaign manager for John McCain, who was the subject of HBO's game change. Yeah, the sort of bullet headed guy. Played by Woody Harrelson. It is not in fact the same Steve Schmidt. You're kidding me. For half a minute I got amped. Okay?

[00:01:44] Did this guy like hard pivot to... That's what I... But then pivoted back to politics? Third screenwriter is What's Your Name? Jessica... Jessica Bendinger. Who wrote Bring It On, then wrote Aquamarine, Stick It and Directed Stick It was kind of the patron saint of the Teen Girl movie.

[00:02:04] Right, she wrote First Daughter if you remember that one. And then hasn't made a movie since Stick It, which Stick It by the way fucking slaps. Stick It's Good. Stick It with Jeff Bridges. That's one of the Missy Paragram, right? Yeah, that movie honks. That's my word.

[00:02:16] I know. I'm just trying to get it out there. I like it, I like it. But hasn't worked since then. This is the one outlier in her career. It doesn't fit in with the rest of her ove. Yeah. It's kind of cool that Demi Hire...

[00:02:27] Did she have other screenwriting credits before this? Bring It On, I believe it's her first screenwriting credit. Bring It On would be the same year or a year before. Right. That's it. Right, and then it's all Teen Girl movies. Kremdilla, Kremteen Girl.

[00:02:38] She had also worked on Sex and the City, I think is a very low level. Right. But that was her other big credit, yes. So she came out of Sex and the City. And then the fourth screenwriter on this movie... Yes. Peter Stone, who wrote Charade. But...

[00:02:52] And he's credited here as Peter Joshua because he hated the movie. He hated the movie, so he used the name that Cary Grant uses in Charade as his fake name to distance himself from the movie. And then this movie flips that fake name.

[00:03:07] So instead of Peter Joshua, it's Joshua Peters. But it's now credit is being written by Peter Joshua, who's not a real person. Also, he's a great writer. He wrote, you know, Taking a Pillow in 123. Like he wrote a lot of, you know, fun 70s, 60s, 70s movies.

[00:03:21] And hated this movie and was joined in that sediment by most of the world. That's too strong because no one saw the fucking thing. But yeah, most people who saw it, yes. 13 people. Well thank you.

[00:03:32] Here's an astonishing fact that I just noticed while looking for a quote on the INDP page. Top trivia fact on Truth About Charley is, Mark Wahlberg considers this his worst film. Now that might be some snippet from an interview that was done pre The Happening.

[00:03:49] Because he talks about The Happening quite a bit. He often will dunk on The Happening. But that is, you know, that's a competition. What is the sentiment? How do you feel this compares to The Happening on the Wahlberg scale? This is a thousand times better.

[00:04:01] This is much better. And I feel like his miscasting is a little less profound. Yes. The Happening is just the platonic ideal of like wrong place, wrong time for him. The Happening is also a perfect example of one of my least favorite phenomenons in film,

[00:04:16] which is actor hates their character. Yes. Is so embarrassed by and resentful towards the person they've been hired to play, the fictional character. All right. This it feels like he's trying, it's a bit of an odd fit, but it's less embarrassing

[00:04:31] than The Happening where he feels so actively embarrassed to play a nerd. It's also a role he keeps working on. I mean this is the same character as All the Money in the World basically. He keeps returning to this world.

[00:04:41] Every seven or eight years he comes back to can I be the super calm, intelligent, sophisticated man when Wahlberg is always good with a chip on his shoulder? That's what I always think. He can never be the guy. He needs to be low status, not high status.

[00:04:52] He can never be the guy completely in control. He always has to prove something to someone. Introduce our podcast so that I can take you through Wahlberg just up to here, that brief and introduce our guest. Of course. This podcast is called Blank Check with Griffin and David.

[00:05:04] I'm Griffin. Right. I'm David. And? The other David. Hashtag the two David. And it's a podcast about filmography, directors who have massive success early on in their careers given a series of blank checks make whatever crazy passion projects they want.

[00:05:19] This is certainly a crazy passion project at a pretty fucking big check. It's $60 million movie I think. $60 million 15 years ago. Yeah. So this is like an $80 million movie. I mean I think it's also, I guess it's that era, you know, Wahlberg's probably getting a big check right.

[00:05:37] He's become an A-lister. This is right after Planet of the Apes. Right. This is his worst A-list period where people are like, the guy can do anything, right? And then very quickly they're like, no, no, no, no, no. He can't do anything.

[00:05:49] Planet of the Apes in perfect storm. That's what I want to take you through is that he really had some big hits. I finished my introduction. Yes. Thank you. Sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce baby. Sure.

[00:06:00] This is a main series on the films of Jonathan Demmey. It's called Stop Making Podcasts. Certainly financially in relation to its growth. I would think so. The biggest bounce. And we got the great David Lowry with us back for the second time director

[00:06:13] and writer Old Man of the Gone. Did I screw up the intro earlier when I said my last name? You have to talk before we introduce him. Exactly. I do that, but I was like should I have just said David

[00:06:22] and left it a little bit of a mystery for the hashtag? I wasn't going to give you a line reading. I think either one worked. It seemed okay. I probably screwed it up even more by talking about it now.

[00:06:31] No, no, that's definitely, we're keeping that in a double hand. Keep it all in. But I'm so excited to have you back on the show. It's a thrill to be back. So much has happened in the past year. That's crazy. It's been about just over a year.

[00:06:43] Yeah, yeah, because we did Sleepy Hollow long before we set up on the film. Well before, yeah. So I think the last time you saw me, I was leaving here to go buy a suit for the premiere of Old Man of the Gone. Correct.

[00:06:52] And I talked about it in a following episode, but I went to that premiere and that suit was incredible. It was a little ill fitting. You can find the pictures. No, no, I mean I was stuck, like, oh, I feel like silly. I didn't pack anything.

[00:07:05] I'm going to be underdressed. I need to buy something. You were talking about like, I'm going to be so under the gun. No, pretend that trying to find something last minute. And then I thought you had a killer look. It was a classic Zara 15 minute walk-in walk-out.

[00:07:17] It was a great suit. I thought good fit. Maybe you want tighter usually, but it was a good fit. It was good enough. It was good enough. I mean, the whole screening, you might say, was a little loose. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. The Q&A was a little loose.

[00:07:29] A little loose. Why was it loose? It was freewheeling. I'm trying to find the right words to describe it that aren't backhanded, because I don't mean any... Yes. There were questions that were asked from the audience that were not heard, and then other answers that were given.

[00:07:47] But it was all fun. There were both bizarre questions and bizarre answers. Lucy Goosey is the answer. You had like, eight members of the cast there? I think everybody was there. It was a pretty large contingency. Oh, that's a... And a lot of characters. Yeah. You know? Exactly.

[00:08:01] That was one of those... It was pretty incredible. And it was a long answer, and it was almost word for word identical for two different questions, and you were like, this is a man who's been doing press for decades. And that was a week of that. I know.

[00:08:13] I was like, sure. It was like, I heard that answer so many times in the same... And God bless, I'm like, he knows exactly what to say, even if he repeats it. It's that thing? The people who are that good at being famous,

[00:08:23] I have noticed really plan and perfectly script, if not literally type out, but really settle on, this is my answer. This is how I'm going to talk about these subjects. I will not leave press up to chance. And so they know like their activation points.

[00:08:38] Question A goes with answer Z. Exactly. And they connect the dots. It was amazing to watch him just reset on a second question. Versus the rest of us that say things that we were like, oh my God, did I just say that? Yeah. Oh my God. Right.

[00:08:51] It's like his anxiety zone. I'm sure. He's just totally chill. Yeah. Anyway. I made that movie. I've made that movie. I wore a suit. Great suit. When made another movie? When made another movie. Working on that right now, and now I'm back in New York

[00:09:06] just hanging out and dropping by to talk to Dishon Demi. To Dishon Demi. Oh yeah, a little Demi dish. Get our Demi dishes out. We're wiping them clean. Competitively, as in Rachel getting married. Oh, great scene. Great scene. At this point...

[00:09:22] We have not done our Rachel getting married episode. This episode will be broadcasting about three years. Yes. Made it through... It's going to be our Valentine's Day episode. Oh, wonderful. Mid-Feb. Yes. I mean we're recording this in November. It's many months away the release.

[00:09:36] We have pretty much recorded every episode that takes place before this. Okay, great. We've done it and we've been largely not beloved. It's the only Demi we haven't done. The only Demi we haven't done chronologically and we have not done any Demis post this. Yes.

[00:09:48] So you haven't done beloved yet? We haven't done beloved but we've done Philadelphia, San Salam, So you're not catching us out of order. Last time we did Sleepy Hollow, which is at the midpoint. We recorded with you because you are not a native New Yorker.

[00:10:02] We recorded with you like a month before we recorded any other Burton's. We were still recording Nancy Meyers and we did the one Burton out of order with you. It's good though. Now psychologically you're catching us at this exact point. We've really been steeped.

[00:10:17] We've been going largely in order and so it makes this movie bizarre to watch. It really does. It is so funny, I know you're chomping at the bit to get that Walberg out. No, I know, go ahead. But it is so funny how his 90s

[00:10:33] are like such a weird kind of... They're sparse. They're sparse. There are obviously so many documentaries and little things in between but his three narrative fictional films in the 90s are weirdly of a piece where they're like the most somber straight face Demi.

[00:10:49] It's him making like three dramas. They shift a little in what kind of drama they are but it's him using all the style that he developed in comedy and applying it to the dramatic studio film with big movie stars and the like.

[00:11:05] Then the 2000s become him being like how do I bring that weird Demi stuff back but also smuggle it into remakes of classic Hollywood films? I don't know how else to describe it. It's so interesting to discover where Demi came from before that's not in his period

[00:11:24] because I certainly became aware of him with Signs of the Lambs in Philadelphia when I was like 11, 12, 13. So I was like okay this is a prestige filmmaker who wins Oscars. He seemed like the most classically oscar-y director at that time.

[00:11:38] Exactly and that's just all I knew about him until like getting into... I think most people of my generation our generation probably are like I guess we should check out this early stuff. Right because you go like Signs of the Lambs bizarre Oscar heavyweight Philadelphia almost gets reduced

[00:11:56] to the basic idea of an Oscar Beatty movie and then beloved is like... When it's not! Wait, I have to ask. Did you do the merchandise spotlight on Philadelphia? Oh my god, no Lowry What's the merchandise spotlight on Philadelphia? But David yes, what is your Demi

[00:12:14] How do you come to him? What do you think of him now? I feel like in whenever Signs of the Lambs came out it was like on the cover of Newsweek and that was my parents subscribed to Newsweek so I remember...

[00:12:30] I think I talked about this last time that's also how I discovered Sundance and Tim Burton was through my parents Newsweek subscription In any case there was a cover story about Signs of the Lambs and an image of lower polymer wrapped in plastic

[00:12:47] Yeah that was, Signs of the Lambs was definitely one of those like is this, has Hollywood finally gone too far Yeah and the lower polymer image which I assumed just flipping through the magazine freaked me out so badly that I had my parents throw that magazine away

[00:12:59] cause it really scared me but I assumed that that image was in Signs of the Lambs so when I finally several years later watched Signs of the Lambs I was just dreading that moment And then when you finally watched Twin Peaks

[00:13:11] by that point I was like oh wait that's that head It is such an indelible image that you mean the one that's directly of her head Yeah just a classic And I think my parents had a very

[00:13:23] they were very strict about what movies we were allowed to see and so I didn't see the film until high school but I did read the book so I read Signs of the Lambs I read Red Dragon really loved both of them

[00:13:39] I got to Hannibal after I'd already seen the movie Where the fuck across the room It was Lurid I think Jonathan Demi did the same thing Producer Rachel talking shit on Tom Harris Grab that mic Rachel Old Tommy H

[00:13:55] If you couldn't hear Rachel said she threw her copy of Hannibal across the room At the end? So out of disgust at where the story went but not out Oh yeah, no People were upset I invested so much time in those books

[00:14:11] and they were good until the end Hannibal's all over the place Was the Hannibal Lecter saga your Harry Potter Rachel where you the person who was like I can't wait to see what happens in book three Well I wasn't expecting that No I read the mic

[00:14:25] Yeah what the fuck is up with that It's what he decided to do I appreciate it I think it's a strong I mean it's a different than anybody expected but I was like okay I appreciate that choice The thing that I hated the most was there's a line

[00:14:43] that turned out that Clarice was just really uptight because she needed some good dick Yeah that stuff's not good That's a Welcome thank you for coming to my turn talk Can I throw out a hot take quickly? Sure Good dick is just not ever really gonna be

[00:14:59] a phrase that lands like smoothly I don't think a dick should ever be said in any context Especially not when you're talking about Chaney It's not a definition of bad dick This movie I saw last year I'm gonna forward it onto you about Dick Chaney

[00:15:17] And just the other day Christian Bale said that he heard what Dick Chaney thought of the movie Or really? And because a friend of his went to a kid at a private school and Dick Chaney was happened to be there and was like oh my friend Christian

[00:15:31] He's like oh tell him he's a dick Wow And that's like Tell him he's a dick It could go both ways It's kind of a He is dick of course He's like tell him he Was he being petty or is he our finest comedian?

[00:15:45] It's one of the other This was last week Breaking news it'll be so old by The new George Saunders? So anyway I did not see Philadelphia when it open but did see the Saturday Night Live commercial Which I'm sure only fed into that idea of

[00:16:01] oh here's this very like kind of like stodgy Oscar drama That was how everyone judged about that movie I didn't have that much interest in seeing it Like it didn't appeal to me We talked about the same thing that I feel like we watched the movie

[00:16:17] David and I both out of obligation to fill in our Oscar blanks much later in life And then you watch it and you're like this thing is fucking weird It's a beautifully made incredibly I need I can't wait to see it again As I listen to this podcast

[00:16:31] I'll be revisiting a lot of these films And that's what I haven't seen since probably I was 16 And then Beloved mostly looked like Oh this is like a failed Oscar play Now I love Beloved I love the book I think I read the book in high school

[00:16:47] I read it again recently It is absolutely incredible I think the movie is about Not as good as the movie could be It's a really careful and Yeah Thoughtful and loving adaptation of this A writer largely thought of to be kind of Unadaptable

[00:17:05] I would rather see that movie than the HBO miniseries I'd rather see it compressed into 3 hours or 3.5 It's quite long But I love I'm sure you'll talk about this more in the episode But I love the way

[00:17:19] And we don't need to get into whether Demi should have been the one to do it or not I love the way he treated The ghost story aspects of it So So much like a horror film There's like full on poltergeist effects Like a poltergeist movie

[00:17:36] And I think it Towards the end you can kind of feel that he's Trying to cram a lot in there From the book and the book isn't long It contains so much The breadth of it is so big So did you see that when it came out?

[00:17:50] So I saw that when it came out By that point that was 98 97 And I was A projectionist at that point I've been a projectionist for a couple months So I remember watching that the night Before it opened Along with I believe the water boy Was that the other

[00:18:10] I think that sounds right Because I mean Beloved was thought of as This is going to be a blockbuster And an Oscar player And then a bomb so hard The water boys a month later We'll have already played this box There's some other comedy That opened up And

[00:18:30] So I remember watching both Whatever it was that night But I loved Beloved at the time It's like practical magic Is there a comedy in the top 10 that week? That's practical magic It's the new movie We're time traveling a little here So I really like that

[00:18:48] I was around the same time That I was really getting into Paul Thomas Anderson Because Boogie Nights had been out for a year at that point Rediscovered heart 8 as a result of that And on the heart 8 commentary track Which is terrific

[00:19:00] There's actually like 2 or 3 commentary tracks on that disc He talks about Demi constantly It's just like a Demi Lovefest Then you're like talking about Melvin and Howard And I'm like what's Melvin and Howard? Go rent that And so that was sort of my Introduction to Demi's Earlier films

[00:19:18] But I didn't really see most of them Like I went back Watched Melvin and Howard Maybe...no I didn't even That was it I didn't see something wild until a couple years later But you at least now had a context for where he came from Exactly

[00:19:34] A sense of who he was And so by the time Truth About Charlie came out I kind of had that sense that This was him Wanting to go back to Madcap roots The playful films And I remember That Obviously the Truth About Charlie is just

[00:19:54] Chock full of shoot the piano player Reference is very overt I remember Paul Thomas Anderson talking at the time of Punch Direct Love Referencing shoot the piano player as well And so I had this theory That They were probably just both hanging out

[00:20:08] And they both just made these huge epics You have to imagine once PTA Is a big, you know, he's like I gotta meet Demi Right now I'm famous enough that I get to meet my idol Exactly They were clearly close friends by the time You passed away

[00:20:24] I never met either of them I did see them both present Greaser's Palace At the Austin Film Festival It is a thing I feel like we haven't talked about But on Documentary Now They've done two Demi parodies And in both of them

[00:20:38] Paul Thomas Anderson plays the Demi analog off camera They make it the same fictional director Doing stop making sense I've seen the stop making sense one Parker Gale's location is everything It's him talking about not wanting to give up his apartment

[00:20:50] It's him talking about Upper West Side Real Estate And it's Hadron a big wig And there's also a lot less of the Demi character In that But you hear Paul Thomas Anderson saying Like action and cut at the beginning And then in In the stop making sense one

[00:21:06] He does a lot of off camera interview lines It's also just The work they do on this show To nail the exact visual style They go out of their way to get the same lenses They get the same stocks They make sure the color

[00:21:20] So I had this theory that They had post Magnolia Post Beloved They're both exhausted from these huge epic films That they made Which had kind of underperformed And they were like Let's watch some French New Wave movies And they both went off

[00:21:38] And kind of made a movie in that spirit And they both opened Within two weeks of each other In 2002 So that was my theory for a long time In preparation for this I was like looking for interviews with Jonathan Demi And finally like

[00:21:54] There were none in print anyway There was one maybe on the AV Club or something like that But then I found a Charlie Rose episode That he did And he said that Paul Thomas Anderson Was planning to write the screenplay for Truth about Charlie With him

[00:22:09] So it actually like But then he got the idea for Punch Drunk Love And just kind of did that instead Those two movies are like Zagging off at different points Where Punch Drunk Love is so much reverse engineered From Paul Thomas Anderson's love Of Adam Sandler

[00:22:25] And trying to figure out what he finds interesting About that star persona But it's also a major scale down From Magnolia To the smaller budget More contained story And then Truth about Charlie Is him like staying at the same budget level With a movie star

[00:22:43] He doesn't totally know what to do with Exactly Who's kind of misplaced I was also talking with Sims right before this About this being part of that weird Much like Scorsese's Cape Fear Where it's like a remake of one movie

[00:22:59] That's also kind of their homage to another movie Where it's like let's remake Cape Fear In the style of Night of the Hunter And this is let's remake Shared in the style of Shoot the panel player Let's talk a little Walberg

[00:23:13] I guess we talked about him on the happening Have we done other Walberg movies? I think Well we did Planet of the Apes The other thing about IMDB is that It was supposed to be Will Smith I think it was not just supposed to be Will Smith

[00:23:27] It was Greenlit as a Will Smith Obviously Tandy Newton it was in Beloved And is this sort of exciting new star Has been a mission impossible too at this point But Beloved was kind of her big breakout And so And then Ali

[00:23:41] Which was a monster shoot that went way too long Went too long Walberg comes in at the last minute Which is really crazy It's also just crazy But that's why I wanted to talk about Walberg To imagine like how he in 2001 This studio would be like

[00:23:57] Like that's fine Mark Walberg will be great But it's that thing that I always find so fascinating Where like when someone has their movie star breakout And people Haven't quite figured out what makes them a movie star yet There's sometimes this hope that like Maybe they're Tom Hanks

[00:24:13] Maybe they can do anything Maybe they can apply that You see that so often now With 90% of male stars And then it takes like 5 years for them to Circle back And they go don't worry I figured out why you like me the first time

[00:24:29] Then with Mark Walberg you can also You have to imagine that Paul Thomas Anderson is like Well I made Boogie Nights He was wonderful And then he goes to PTA And he's like man Will Smith dropped out Who should fit this part He seems bankable at this point

[00:24:45] He's a known dude So obviously he's a musician as we all know Marcus Marcus And a model Famously I well not famously enough I feel like people don't talk about enough From his modeling days Three nipples He has a little third nipple

[00:25:03] Which is funny considering that he was So often shirtless The scene where he's shirtless in this movie Is a little bananas It's hilarious how they play that in the trailer Because you're just like oh they're about to have sex

[00:25:15] And then the movie so like he got wet a little bit A little bit of rain drops on him But I feel like 906 Like basketball diary is 96c.s fear And it's like oh a lot of energy coming off of it Maybe he's more serious than we thought

[00:25:27] He's so good in fear Basketball diaries was oh he's proving He's a real actor And then fear was oh he's playing against type He talked but they didn't want him to play that part He worked really hard on it It showed more range

[00:25:41] And then Boogie Nights is obviously the slam dunk Up until that point I think He was viewed as bargain basement DeCaprio Right He's the role that was sort of intended for DeCaprio And he's taking it And you know what Obviously that's how I feel like you have

[00:25:57] Then he works with David O'Russell on Three Kings He works with James Graham in the Yards He finds a couple filmmakers who really know how to use him In a row Right and then he's in the perfect storm Which I think he's pretty good in

[00:26:09] I mean that movie has all these great actors With beards and they're all just sort of grizzled Everybody's fine in that movie But it's a huge fucking hit It was crazy that it was a huge hit It was such a big hit

[00:26:21] It's such a grim movie and it's really long And the premise Does that even play on TNT anymore? It should It's just crazy that it's a 130 minute movie And the entire premise is There was such a bad storm that this big fucking wave Killed a fishing boat

[00:26:37] And like that's the whole movie Is there a rescue attempt in it? I mean does it need You're kind of dying on a horn And Mary Elizabeth master and Tony was on a boat Trying to get him I just remember this point in which hopelessness

[00:26:52] And you're just like oh they're all gonna die And the first half is them being like should we go fishing? You know, way, you know, like they do it And then at the end it's like yeah And then they got, you know

[00:27:02] They got drowned and that was that Summer Blockbuster Fourth of July Summer Blockbuster Like a real blue collar block bus But I remember that being like a weekend This is a massacre You got five wide releases on Fourth of July Like there was like a lot of shit

[00:27:19] They all hit different audiences No one knew what was gonna rise to the top And then Perfect Storm just like fucking knocked it out Like I wanna say it was the Patriot Which everyone assumed was gonna be the Blockbuster Shaft Perfect storm, shaft

[00:27:32] I know Rocky and Bullwinkle came out that same weekend It was like weird And then Perfect Storm just like Knocked it out And I imagine After that It was like a new domestic In 2000 Huge For a blue collar, you know Special effectsy drama But when a movie is

[00:27:51] Patriot is the same weekend as is Rocky and Bullwinkle Which is crazy And Shaft is, you know, newish And me, myself and Irene had come out Because I feel like X-Men comes out later Next week is scary movie X-Men is the week after that Like yeah Crazy stacked

[00:28:06] It like rises to the top It out grosses all the films that you just mentioned They had been waiting for Clooney to like Achieve the level of stardom That they wanted, that they saw for him And he immediately after that is like I don't wanna do this shit

[00:28:20] You know, he doubles down on Soderbergh They do Ocean's 11 the next year at Warner Brothers But I imagine that Well cause yeah, he must have been in a water tank This was also a period where Walberg and Clooney were really tight

[00:28:32] They twoed three Kings and Perfect Storm back to back And then Walberg I believe was supposed to play Brad Pitt's role in The Ocean's movies And then that was like the end of that honeymoon But like Perfect Storm is the last movie like That Clooney ever does

[00:28:46] Is that true? Yeah I guess so He never does like a studio The only thing that's arguably close to that again Is Tomorrowland Which comes 15 years later And he's only in half of it But it's that bizarre thing where you go like For how big Clooney is

[00:29:02] It's the three Ocean's movies It's Batman and Robin which was a disaster And Perfect Storm But those are his only five movies that make a hundred million dollars The Ocean's trilogy, Batman and Robin and Perfect Storm Is that it? Right He didn't get like Up in the air

[00:29:19] No, like that's like 80 Michael Clayton's like 50 I believe those are his only 500 million dollar grosses Gravity I forgot about gravity I forgot about gravity Which is why I'm always floating to the top Spy Kids 3D Game Over He has one shot

[00:29:38] He plays the president of the United States And the Spy Kids fan shots South Park Well South Park made 52 Oh didn't do that It did I think it probably did great But you know Warner Brothers was Clooney's home studio for a long time You imagine Post Perfect Storm

[00:29:58] They're like great now we can put you in everything And he focuses up and he's like Nope I'm using my star power And Walberg starts to present himself as like I guess we go to number two on the call sheet

[00:30:08] That's the guy we're gonna groom into being a movie star They had just tried placing him on Planet of the Apes In a role he's not right for So no one he's in Planet of the Apes Burton though, working with a big director He also does Rockstar

[00:30:20] Of course Produced by George Clooney Steven Harrick movie I believe You know this is so funny I completely forgot that they were like best buds In which he gets his nipple pierced But not his third Real missed opportunity there We're talking about Rockstar much more frequently

[00:30:36] Rockstar is like bookie nights at 5% Where it's like cause it's the same Where he's like I want to be a rock star I can do it you know and they're all like You will never do it and he does it Like loosely based on a true story

[00:30:48] And then Invincible That was quite a bit later That movie is low key kind of great Like that movie is like a really fun Just you know dumb nuts Like movie you see in a bar Another weird Disney thing that just doesn't Happen anymore

[00:31:04] Once a year Disney would just make a 30 million Dollar sports drama with a big movie star Who was relishing the opportunity to tell a small Human story McFarlane USA the last one of those And that movie David Disney Plus Can you tell me the director of Invincible

[00:31:22] Well he's a cinematographer Right? The point breaker you make Well done Erickson Core But he also So truth about Charlie is his rock star follow up So he's coasting on that rock I feel like rock star actually probably Made its money right And post this

[00:31:47] He has the Italian job Which is sort of a surprise hit He has I heard Huckabees Which is probably his best performance Then he has the four brothers Invincible Double punch which are both Kind of cruddy but profitable Solid on base

[00:32:03] And then he has the departed in the Oscar nomination Wow Followed by Transformers which is where we get to Like he's kind of like been that version of Mark Wahlberg Ever since But then there's also that run leading up to Transformers

[00:32:15] Where he's kind of golden making junky mid budget Thrillers He's sort of alternate Like he has that run of like contraband You know he alternates between what you're talking about Shoot really well Contraband broken city Two guns, lone survivor Cause contraband, two guns

[00:32:33] And lone survivor all do really well Sure I don't know if two guns did amazing Contraband did like 80 in January You also have We on the night The Lovely Bones Everyone likes to forget that That movie existed and he was the star He replaced Frank Gosling

[00:32:53] You have the other guys He's in a comedy muscle And you have the fighter Which is his passion project He's great I would still say like I heard Huckabee's departed Like that's maybe his best work But like the fighter is his best movie star Performers

[00:33:11] His earnestness really pays off It's the best fit for what he wants to do on screen The departed thing is still so wild Because it is one of the few examples Of what is truly just a pure Supporting performance So often supporting actor

[00:33:25] Is the second lead of the movie Who maybe has about as much screen time As the main lead of the film Or it's someone who has like How do you have to talk him into that movie He was like, fuck out of here

[00:33:37] I want to play the Leo role They had to be like You should work with Martin Scorsese And this is a very fun role He talks about his agents Kept on just breaking him down To do that movie The other kind of supporting performance

[00:33:53] That gets nominated is like Someone just knocks out two or three scenes The William Hurt in history of violence They take over the movie Whereas like, Wahlberg is always The fourth or fifth most important character In any given scene he's in in that movie

[00:34:07] But he's just throwing fastballs The entire time Anytime he's on screen you just enjoy It's electric And also he does finish the movie He shoots Matt Damon in the head It is satisfying And it revives his leading man career The other crazy thing is

[00:34:26] The part did so well How do we make a sequel for this And Moynihan wrote the Wahlberg sequel And Scorsese wanted to direct it And they said Mark Wahlberg can't carry this movie Well that's bizarre I don't know

[00:34:40] So clearly no one knew what to do with him in 2002 And they still don't It's just such a weird star career And you're right that now He's a big fan of his former's Or Peter Berg movies Or family comedy Or Farrell Who's the director of Instant Family

[00:35:00] So he's making films with him and Peter Berg And that's pretty much it And people have said I haven't seen Instant Family But people said That's actually like perfectly charming movie Charming So what's he got? Is that a Peter Berg movie? It sounds like You said that title

[00:35:22] An ex-feline named Spencer Referenced to Boston's criminal underworld To unravel a twisted murder conspiracy As one does David is leaning in with excitement Telling me it's coming out in March Oh that sounds like such a martial arts It's a Netflix And then he's making something with the

[00:35:40] Director of Monsters and Men It's a movie called Good Joe Bell Oh yeah I read that script It's about a father Who son Was killed in a hate crime So he walks across the country to Just educate people About compassion And it is a true story

[00:36:02] And Connie Britton Is in it it looks like So that seems more prissy Yes oh wow And then that's kind of a weird Walberg It's a good part for him though It's like a blue collar guy Who was super homophobic until

[00:36:18] He found out that his son was gay He's kind of a good part for Walberg And then he's got this big Fuck off Antoine Fuqua Action movie Called Infinite With like Chewatelogy, Ophorn Is it a sci-fi thing? Man discovers his hallucinations or visions from past lives

[00:36:38] Excuse me I am all In on that I'll take as much of that as you got Coming out in August Five stars I'm giving an immediate five Oh it's a paramount August Oh boy I'm burning with excitement here Anyway so He's just gonna keep going

[00:36:58] And he at the top of his IMDb List it's been there for years The six billion dollar man One day it'll happen Talking about a movie that has been teased for Who was the last director attached to that? Was it Guy Ritchie?

[00:37:12] No it was the fucking Wild Tales guy The director of Wild Tales Deans Well now Travis Knight is attached I think Travis Knight's making like almost every film That's coming out in the next couple years That guy's been attached to everything Rumored for everything

[00:37:28] At one point Peter Berg was gonna do it He keeps on getting different people attached Travis Knight is drinking from the Uncharted chalice right now Which seems to just poison everyone's career It's so Stop trying to make an Uncharted movie It's one of those video games

[00:37:43] You don't play video games It's like Indiana Jones And someone sees it and they're like oh this could be a movie Yeah that's it's vibe It's trying to feel like a movie There's nothing to hold onto in it That's not completely derivative

[00:37:57] So trying to make a movie out of it Is just sort of like a waste of your time I also love the idea They're like oh we finally camp with a good take You know how this character is like in his 40's

[00:38:07] And he's like a really confident sort of like Rakeishly charming scoundrel What if we retrofit it into a Tom Holland franchise Where he's a young young man Who is totally different from that character We make prequels that never existed To how he became that guy

[00:38:22] And it's like that sounds like you're not making Uncharted That's what happens when you've done development Any times on this You want Tom Holland to find a treasure You can do that Good Walberg talk guys I don't play video games but is Death Stranding

[00:38:36] Would I like that? Should I get a console Just to play that game? Probably, I mean I feel like that might be your vibe What was the last time you played a video game though? The last time I played a video game Was with the director Aaron Katz

[00:38:48] Who Was really in I don't remember what game it was He's a Gemini man 30 minutes into playing whatever game it was I realized my controller Was not connected I thought I was playing And I didn't realize the game was just playing That is a Kojima experience

[00:39:09] Where if you play Death Stranding You're basically watching several 3 hour movies In the middle of your game My favorite kind of video game is a movie I mean I'm really Considering getting Death Stranding I have a PS4 But it would be my first video game

[00:39:25] Over a decade that doesn't star Mickey Mouse And or Legos I've been pretty narrowly I went away with David Erlich And he'd been playing it to write about it Once in a while he'd be like And then there's this baby that you carry around

[00:39:39] In a mobile womb that'll give you a thumbs up And I'm like, there it is How does that slot into what you just told me About how this game works Sounds like it honks Anything without narrative or goals Sounds great to me

[00:39:53] You have to go around and deliver Amazon packages And also reconnect the internet But David Is there a designated honk button? Can you honk? Does the game let you honk? We need a honk Creature of creation 10 comedy points George Clooney should have played this part

[00:40:11] Well this shows like it's obvious If you're going, oh it's a remake Kerry Grant Originated the role He was your debonair guy That was Clooney's, he's your salt and pepper Mr. Debonair The way on Wallburg The beret that randomly shows up in one scene

[00:40:29] Does it fit more or less Than Tom Cruise With the new radicals hat and vanilla sky I feel like that's the last time we've covered such In-scene action Tom Cruise will wear anything I just re-watched Eyes Wide Shut And I forgot there's a scene where Tom Cruise

[00:40:45] Is wearing Ugg boots I don't remember him in the boots When he's at home He's sitting down at the couch He's having a big conversation And he's wearing like low cut Like low rise Ugg boots And I saw it And I was just like

[00:41:03] Imagine the series of discussions Because everything in a Kubrick movie Is at least talked about Is it Tom being like I've got these furry boots I love them Or is it that they present the Ugg boots To Tom Cruise and to him

[00:41:19] It looks like as much of a challenge To Tom Cruise Or Kubrick's like Tom, you know, wear whatever you want I'm shooting the scene from the top of the bed up And then like three weeks later They've covered the entire Completely changed how they shot it

[00:41:35] The only image available on the internet Is incredibly small But take a look There he is in his Ugg boots That is crazy Obviously that's like a production still That shot is not in the movie What kind of TV do they have In their fancy apartment

[00:41:53] Yeah, they've got like a little 13 inch CRT Yeah, top of the line Do you know One other random thing I know They just announced yesterday By the point you were hearing this Hopefully it'll be shooting But the new Paul Thomas Anderson movie

[00:42:11] And in the photo and Hollywood reporter He looks like George Clooney He's got the salt and pepper He's gotten so fucking handsome And every time he releases a new movie And does a new press store I become more jealous of how he looks

[00:42:25] In every sense, I like how he dresses He kind of has a Clooney grin Yeah, look at that Yeah, that's a good point I feel like there was something so devilish About how he looked when he was young Like he was owning the La Fonterie bliffing

[00:42:39] And now he just looks like this Fucking smooth sophisticated gentlemen It's also that That joke about like it's great If you look like a character in your movie Like a supporting character That's a good vibe to go for He always has the period haircut Love it

[00:42:57] When my wife and I first got married He was on her celebrity cheat list But at a certain point That's how you know you married the right person That they want to fuck Paul Thomas Anderson That's what I'm looking for

[00:43:09] Celebrity cheats stop being cool at a certain point Yeah, it's like a cute idea And then you're like, oh actually Yeah, exactly Especially if you work in the movie industry But the truth about Charlie has Mark Wahlberg With a big old barrette on his head And a turtleneck

[00:43:25] And he's a, you know, carry grant That's about the worst hand He could be dealt That's like a 2-7 in Texas holders He's wearing the barrette And it feels like it's magnets at opposite sides Like it should be flying off of his head

[00:43:39] He also puts it on so prominently Like in that one scene he comes down the stairs He's like, he puts it on He really puts it on with a capital P And he's got like a 2 degree tilt on it Which is not enough

[00:43:52] You need to tilt that beret more if you're gonna sell it And then you have Tandy Newton Who is a British actress Who apart from Beloved I mean she was Sally Hemings And Jefferson in Paris That Birdalucci movie But then Mission Impossible 2 is the big thing

[00:44:10] Because it felt like crew saying like Here I found a new major leading lead Gridlocked That's a great movie Right but that was the Mission Impossible thing And that movie was such a big hit That they were like, I guess he's like extended his star power To her

[00:44:26] And Beloved, I remember everyone being like This is a breakout, this is gonna be best supporting actress performance It was too weird Her performance is great But she's talking in the ET voice Again the performance are too weird And it didn't translate to her

[00:44:41] But it makes sense that Demi Must have loved working with her Totally, yeah I mean this movie was designed Like he was like what can I make with Tandy Newton And she's such a good character actor And I feel like her best performances

[00:44:55] Come out of that character actor vein But her natural presence is so classic movie star It is that weird thing where like When you see interviews with her You're like I understand And you just go oh maybe she's the next Audrey Hepburn But then I think if you

[00:45:10] She's so striking If you ranked the best Tandy Newton performances They're mostly the ones that play against that type What would you rank among her best performances? I mean I think she's great on Westworld Yeah she is I think this is maybe a controversial opinion

[00:45:24] But I think she's phenomenal in W I really like her Condoleezza Rise Oh I forgot about that one She's good I would nominate her that year I think she's the one performance that totally works in that movie It is funny that this movie has her

[00:45:38] And Lisa Gay Hamilton who was Vices Condoleezza Rise You have a standoff of the two Rises Two Rises She is good in Crash Which was obviously a big You know awards nominate And she wins the BAFTA for that And doesn't get nominated for any other one

[00:45:56] Well the Oscars relationship with Trash is so bizarre Almost feeling fruity and slippery And she turns over and goes You know what I mean? They gave a best picture But also it's weirdly under nominated Considering they obviously liked it Dylan was the only nominate performance

[00:46:10] And they didn't even nominate Paul Hages or did they? He got director and one screenplay One screenplay It also is the only movie to win best picture And not get nominated at the Golden Globes Right? It didn't even get a best picture nomination

[00:46:26] It won speared awards a year before It just came late Yeah, really weird Anyway, she is good in that She's had a lot of really unfortunate Yes Role Love interest in Norbit Is tough And then she took time off For her family She's married to the director of

[00:46:50] Moa and Mia Here we go again Which I didn't connect at first But the whole time I was like I didn't see her in a million things And I was like, oh wait, it's because she looks exactly Run Fatboy, run Norbit is just one of the

[00:47:06] Definition of a truly thankless Like sort of girlfriend role where it's like You're not allowed to be funny You only have to be nice Your love interest is Norbit He's not a person Norbit does not behave as a human does

[00:47:20] And she's doing this herculean task of every scene Having to convey I think I want to fuck Norbit That's her character motive I love imagining her calling over Director Brian Robbins and being like So what's my motivation in this scene You're really considering

[00:47:36] Whether or not to fuck Norbit And then when she's on Westworld It was a little bit of that sort of like Oh right, of course she's very talented Like yeah, why haven't we been Putting in everything She won an Emmy For season two Which was great

[00:47:54] Chronicles of Riddick That felt like another like Oh she's going to be in a big franchise That movie is worth talking about someday Yes it is It's the mini series I'm always pushing for The diesel Do the franchises of Vin Diesel You do the Riddicks

[00:48:12] The Fast and Furious And the triple X I think Twohy is a director you could do You know you've got The Arrival Which is kind of a weird movie Sort of Fat Charlie Sheen Fat Charlie Sheen Then you got Pitch Black Below I've never seen

[00:48:31] That's the submarine movie with Zach Alafinakis I saw that And then A Perfect Getaway Which is good Yeah, I believe Roger Ebert said it honked I'm sorry The late great Roger Ebert said it honked I have to make a designated honk fun Yes please

[00:48:49] So yeah, so I guess we're going to do Twohy And then Riddick is insane The third Riddick movie is Riddick Colon Rue the Dark It was not called Riddick Rue the Dark They did that for like DVD Really? Anyway, so you got those two guys

[00:49:05] And then you have this Demi-esque Collection of Character actors And former collaborators And the French new wave Lumen That he's thrown into the mix So you have like Lisa Gahamilton, Ted Levine Having not watched Philadelphia Is Ted Levine in that? No he could be

[00:49:29] So you just went from silence to this Yeah Is this the only Demi movie without Napier? Levine's also in the mentoring candidate I thought I saw Napier In the hotel at one point Well he's not Rachel getting married Does Napier's run end At Philadelphia? He's not in Beloved

[00:49:54] No he's in mentoring candidate Oh thank god I was worried I was never going to see his face again Yeah he's in Beloved Playing angry Carney Of course But he is not in this one Maybe he was cut out as you say You've got Jung Hoon Park

[00:50:12] Who I feel like Demi had seen in that movie I was like you seem great I'm putting you in my movie There's a lot of those sorts of cast In the original Sheree You have this group of men Who are hunting down Audrey Hepburn

[00:50:28] And it's like James Coburn And George Kennedy And it's like these classic weird Hollywood character Heavies and like oddball Energy dudes And then in this he makes up this incredibly strange group Because like That's a thing that's totally like This movie is the only one

[00:50:49] Who's kind of playing it in a straightforward way He's a little scarier And he feels like he's dying So he has to put a sympathetic twist On the one scary guy To make it like this guy is really suffering And the rest of them are kind of nice

[00:51:03] And he Has that Probably the key point in the scene The movie is the tango sequence Where everyone's just dancing together And then you have time sharing information While Anna Karina's singing And that's a great scene And that's where you feel like this is the movie

[00:51:21] He wanted to make And you also are like He just likes all these people He's taking the bones of Sheree But there's not really a villain And no one gets too mad about the identity switches You know it's kind of like one brief Like come on

[00:51:37] Which is why the scene That I feel like really probably doesn't work Stand off at the end Because it's like no one really cares No one's fine And I love that it ends with just like Laying down their guns We don't really care

[00:51:53] But it goes on for so long You assume Robbins is gonna He shows up Playing the Walter Math Outroll It's so bizarre Robbins he plays Crease, he plays villain He'll be right It'll turn out he's bad But right, instead of him dying Or you know what

[00:52:13] They're just like yeah well whatever Until he dies in the end credits In a throwaway gag Classic Demi-N credits thing He puts plot in the end credits He has like an Anne Ramsey looking mother Smiling into a freeze frame As like the last shot of the movie

[00:52:29] It's such a weird movie Because Sheree is like It's viewed as like A light Hitchcock Like a movie that's never made Sort of classic Where it's Stanley Donan Who is much more of like a lighter More souffle filmmaker And is such a mood guy

[00:52:49] And a filmmaker I love But doing a film that's sort of Unusually plotty for him But the thing that's so fun about Sheree Is it's got this very convoluted Like puzzle box narrative But the movie is kind of flipping About like yeah but what you're really

[00:53:05] The great job of it is so confusing It is so impossible to follow On a scene by scene basis But the movie kind of reassures you Like don't worry We'll make sense of it for you in the end In the meantime just like float on this energy

[00:53:19] And everyone is having a ball on it Totally They're all chewing the scenery Just having a blast And I think everyone was probably doing that On the truth about Charlie as well But they're not actors And it's like the audience doesn't have that relationship

[00:53:35] Like Sheree is from like the tail end Of a certain type of movie star lead film Where like the movie star is the franchise Exactly And people are like commenting on their own personas Sheree has a bunch of like weirdly self knowing

[00:53:47] Like fourth wall break jokes about their past films And their careers and their reputations And the age difference between them And it's sort of like You know this isn't reality This is a Cary Grant movie Cary Grant movies take place in their own alternate universe

[00:54:01] Audrey Hepburn movies take place in their own alternate universe Where their wattage transforms everything around them And it says if it were a musical And it takes place in a fantastical land And then truth about Charlie Is him taking that movie

[00:54:13] Where the plot is already so difficult to follow And then going like I also want to throw into it The French New Wave Which was largely Oh let's take the skeleton of like a pot boiler Don't worry about plot so much

[00:54:27] Right it's a girl a guy in a gun But you mix it up and it's not about that It's not about the riffs and the playfulness isn't as much The actors it's the film making And how the filmmakers are sort of deflating

[00:54:36] The self seriousness of the pulpy material So he's putting that level of playfulness Onto a script That only really worked when it was playful In an entirely different way And then hiring movie stars who haven't really figured out their movie star personas yet This is all true

[00:54:50] I forgot to mention Stephen Delaney Yes and then it's largely marketed as A pretty straightforward thriller Like the poster looks like it could be Like fucking generic like That it could be paycheck And the trailer as well It's got a bunch of treat The posters too

[00:55:08] You've got the one that's like the Eiffel Tower With stamps and a dead body If you go see this movie off of that poster You walk out and burn down the theater Now they also had this one That's a little more lively and cute

[00:55:20] It looks 60s pop art It looks a little sol bassy The title itself is more fun than charade It's almost like the reverse of when they did Like dial-in for murder They bland up the title And this one's like let's liven it up a little

[00:55:35] Let's take it to the next level And then David as I'm sure you know In Britain the posters are horizontal rather than vertical For whatever reason They always had the subway poster Why would David know that? Because I grew up in Britain

[00:55:49] Well because you're a filmmaker who makes movies I've been quite fond of the Subway posters I've had for my films I wish they would fit in my house Right that's the thing The British poster always has this different thing

[00:56:01] You're not reacting to the fact that I grew up in Britain It's the truth about David It is the truth about David There's something that Lowry just made me think of That's kind of embarrassing Alright well you can think about that for a second

[00:56:13] But I feel like this poster is It's very small It's the epitome of everything is wrong It's two movie stars getting ready to kiss Two movie stars getting ready to kiss Their mouths do not look like they're getting ready to kiss

[00:56:25] They don't look like they're anywhere near each other But whatever At the top from Jonathan Demi The Academy Award winning filmmaker of Silent Slimes in Philadelphia So you're like oh Siri Terrible expectations And then the tagline is Everybody has a secret Which is like not a tagline

[00:56:43] And also just sort of vague and mysterious Don't you love how they Highlighted the word lie That's so clever Mark Wahlberg, Tandy Newton Christine Poisson Who plays the The Commandant Tim Robbins Truth about Charlie And then it has a lower card of Anna Carina Ed Levine Bill Asnivore

[00:57:11] Yes they do I mean so I'm just like If I'm seeing that poster I'm like what the fuck is this movie I just don't see it The embarrassing thing I was debating whether or not to say is

[00:57:23] I've come very close and I'm still debating whether or not to buy a Tic Subway poster off of eBay I have no idea how I'd display it I just think it looks really cool I think it'd be the most narcissistic thing I could possibly put in my apartment

[00:57:33] Yeah definitely get it Of course I have like the posters they made that are like the regular dimensions But the subway one It's like a cool format It's a very pleasing aspect ratio And there were like a couple of them Yeah you should at least get it

[00:57:49] Have the option How much can it be on eBay? Not too much You could at least have it in your closet and make a decision to hang it later on I yesterday Took a road trip up to Farmingdale, New York To buy two pieces of furniture

[00:58:03] From the set of the Tic That were being sold off as part of some weird auction Sure So I now own two chairs from the set Congratulations I'm like the biggest collector Of Tic memorabilia from our show

[00:58:17] And it's because they wouldn't give me any of this stuff for free Right You'll be able to make a sweeted follow up Yes, that's right I'm going to self produce a season 3 Anyway so I just feel like It's this weird jumble that no one It's for nobody

[00:58:36] It's for nobody Except nerds who drink blank check filmographies Like you watch that movie And you see that The woman in the black veil And we look it up And we're like okay that's the woman from La Dolce Vida And you see her again at the end

[00:58:52] And that extended close up Where Hany Newton is walking past her I'm just like That's what this movie exists for So we can sit here and be like Oh yeah she was in that I get it Just like where you see Anya Sparta leaving the story

[00:59:08] For one second I was like whoa there she is But I just remember this being like It was pushback It was sort of undated for a while There's some weird Jonathan Demi remake That like Universal isn't putting out there And then when the trailer and poster came out

[00:59:24] Everyone was like this looks like a calamity It made 7 million dollars worldwide And completely disappeared from the public consciousness And it wasn't like I feel like Demi usually He was a Berlin favorite Movies were usually at film festivals No film festival for this

[00:59:40] Even though it came out in October But it felt like there were no award aspirations It was a straight commercial play that they didn't even know how to sell And looking back at it now there was like Zero press because I can't find I found that Charlie Rose

[00:59:54] They must have done the absolute bare minimum on that I feel like everyone was trying to distance themselves from this thing by the time it actually came out Like the Manchurian candidate was at the Venice Film Festival Yeah And that was 2004 That's the following film

[01:00:08] I feel like he probably Obviously had Put a lot into Beloved And that had not worked commercially I'm just gonna keep referring to this Charlie Rose interview Because that's all I got But he said like he had a couple of false starts in there

[01:00:24] And that one of them was Hannibal Which he was planning to do Until he read the book He was hypothetically prepared to make The following It made total sense that you're gonna do it Like you know, Sansa Lambs is Look, anyone else in his position

[01:00:40] Would have probably done it Not anyone else but the majority of filmmakers Coming off of Beloved Let me just go back Guaranteed homerun I'll just fucking pinch my nose and make it It is so telling that both Foster and Demi

[01:00:54] Are the types of artists where they were like I would rather not make it And because he cared so much about Clarice Which is what he says He's like I read it and I just like I love Thomas Harris and I told him

[01:01:07] I can't accept what you've done They pulled a Rachel, they threw their book across the room Do you think he or Jodie Foster were the first Because they obviously both basically declined I think it was probably Like I imagine like the book

[01:01:19] The manuscript was, the galleys were delivered You know with a courier waiting To take them back And they both sat there and read them like on the same day I'd like to imagine they were on the phone reading it To each other, trading off every other stand

[01:01:31] Which is pretty okay You hear They both hurt each other, throw the book In unison They harmonize And so I think he just wanted to The other thing he said in that interview Is he really loved the mad spirit Of the original charade

[01:01:48] A mad spirit is something you could also apply Almost all his 80s outpours Exactly, so he was like let me just go do that again And you look at He said he was very involved in the script Which is maybe That was the biggest surprise

[01:02:02] Because I assumed he probably just got Some folks brush it up And then was like let me go do crazy Like panning through dialogue Scene camera tricks and things like that And so The fact that he was as invested in the story As he said he was

[01:02:18] Was a surprise to me But you look at the way he made it And that's not surprising at all You just wanted to go make a film like that again And I sympathize with that But it is weird It's like he's using this as a vehicle

[01:02:32] And he's like the digital video stuff Like he's throwing formats out I feel like that scene with Tim Robbins by the river Was all done on HD Early 90s HD There's the one in the cab With T. and Nenomark, Wahlberg And then the Eurostar thing

[01:02:48] Where they're in the train And the camera's all shaky He's doing this two years before A collateral But a year after Ali Which has that really grainy digital It's very odd It also is this weird thing Could you run over? It's this whole crew

[01:03:08] It's also that thing of like In the late 90s early 2000s especially And this is sort of like the tail Not the tail end But a couple years later This kind of completely dries out But Hollywood has not figured out how To perfect a franchise model yet

[01:03:24] So few franchises actually work That The way that they can find Security and developing a property That feels field tested to them with a built in audience Is take a classic Hollywood film And remake it with really big movie stars At the moment

[01:03:40] And it feels like that's the kind of blank check You can get is whatever you want to do If you can figure out how to attach it to A remake of a studio film from the 1960s And you can pick two people Who are either major stars

[01:03:52] Or on the rise They'll give you like 40 to 60 million dollars Sure I wonder what the budget of the psycho remake was Are you like me that you think that movie is kind of great? I love that movie Yeah! Isn't it good? Fun fact For let's see 60 million

[01:04:11] Jim Whitaker who produced Pete's Dragon And working on a new film with him now That was his first producing credit I was like I hope you're proud of it Hope you're proud of it What is his take away? His big You know

[01:04:27] Influenced as a producer on that film Was Gus Van Sant wanted to make the shower tile green He's like Gus It's gotta be white So that was the big thing he talked us out of I'm sure there's a lot more to it than that

[01:04:41] That movie is so wonderfully strange It's a It's a piece of film criticism And in a way wish The truth about Charlie was more of that In some ways The thing about psycho though That it has over a remake of Sharedor

[01:04:57] We think of almost any movie that exists Is that psycho is one of the most visually Injurable movies ever made So every copy is recognizable And then any tweak You're like why did he do that? Because there are so few tweaks But anytime he does one

[01:05:13] It sends a shiver up your spine Warhol's Empire Or like anytime anything happens It is such a good movie It is so strange I feel like it probably almost plays better now that Vince Vaughn has tipped back to weirdo You know like for sure

[01:05:29] The time he was kind of this sort of like interesting dramatic actor Then he goes full comedy And it's like it's so weird that he played Norman Bates But now it's kind of like Actually there was something to that Well it's a good thing

[01:05:41] It won the Razzie Award for a worst director I hope he's proud of that I hope he's proud of that I feel like he has given so many interviews With so many different answers as to why he made it

[01:05:52] Like it's almost become this thing where he toys with people Yeah, I hope he's proud of the Razzie Like I hope he's like Oh I hope he displays the Razzie He doesn't have an Oscar He's got a couple of noms Anyway I know what you mean

[01:06:08] Like I feel like the blatant references to the French New Wave Are a way of saying like this is in communication with film history Right, totally You think when Charles Aznavour just shows up in a hotel room Materializes to say

[01:06:23] Or when he plays the record and shoot the piano player Of course I know shoot the piano player Then footage of shoot the piano player That he has to put these stars and directors of the film he's referencing Do you think he made them watch it and stuff

[01:06:35] Like I love imagining Do you share movies for your crew and cast Like so hard now We always tried to And on this last film We did a kickoff where we were like Let's watch something that has nothing to do with

[01:06:49] We always have the reference material that we talk about But they're like let's watch something that just gets us fired up about movies So we watched American movie Which was a great way to But then we also watched Um, Lost in La Mancha

[01:07:01] Maybe we shouldn't have watched that one We're about to make a movie where an actor is on a horse Yeah that one's close to the bone Exactly Just like the idea of Demi being like Mark, Tandy Let's all get together We're gonna watch shoot the piano player

[01:07:17] And charade back to back I don't know We're gonna watch the act of art of Ove and Yeah we're watching the cleaners tonight Get ready I keep on harping on this But it's the thing that I find so fascinating about this movie

[01:07:33] It's such a tough life for these cleaners The movie's best quality And its most confusing aspect Is Right it's relying more on the playfulness behind the camera Rather than the playfulness in front of the camera And if movie stars are being that playful

[01:07:47] You can kind of sit back And feel a sense of comfort and security And I'm in good hands Even if I don't understand what's going on I can coast on this Whereas when the filmmakers being that playful If it's breathless And the plot doesn't really matter

[01:08:03] You can vibe on that Because you're not disoriented by how little you understand Whereas this Every character is redefining who they are What their relationship is to everyone else And what they're trying to get Even I having seen charade probably five times

[01:08:17] Charade is a movie that I love I've weirdly seen it so many times just because I always watch it with other people And it's one of those movies where If you ask me the day after I've watched it What it's about I cannot tell you

[01:08:29] When I'm watching it it makes sense in and of itself And more than like a day away from a viewing I cannot even remember the basic gist of it I cannot even remember the basic gist of it And watching this Having seen charade five times

[01:08:41] Not having seen this movie before I kept on going like what actually happens In charade A film I've seen more than most films And it's all the same thing This movie has more information Identical plot And they're explaining things even more But it's still harder to Right

[01:09:01] Because something feels like it's being obfuscated for me here Right from the beginning And the plot is also just confusing We're not going to try and explain on this episode Because it would just be thank This is like the rare Wikipedia synopsis that doesn't try

[01:09:13] I went to look at it Yeah some bullshit happens I think there are a couple problems One, Walberg is not great at changing his persona So anytime it's like It turns out on this guy It seems like he's just the same guy

[01:09:27] And you can't really get a handle on He has a base level earnestness Where he is not above the material In so many movies But in this you need someone who is sort of like Or the George Clooney could do Where he's sort of like

[01:09:41] Hey everybody you're in safe hands I know what's going on I'm going to be at the end of the movie Pulling the rug out from under you And it's going to feel great You watch the whole movie thinking Does Tandy actually know everything

[01:09:55] And that's going to be the twist Which is not the twist Because no one would fall for what he's selling Not really Okay I guess it was okay In lieu of talking about the plot I want to go a little deeper on these two performances Specifically

[01:10:13] So like the Kerry Grant thing is so fascinating Because like so much of the mythology of Kerry Grant Is he is a created ideal He's Archibald Leige That famous quote Where he's like everyone wishes they were Kerry Grant Including me

[01:10:27] You know that he was sort of so knowingly You know Kerry Grant has as much to do with Archibald Leige As like Groucho Marx has to do with Groucho Marx And so it Means that even though he is not transforming himself Every time

[01:10:40] The character reveals himself to be a different person Kerry Grant in and of himself Is so much of a sob That you accept that this guy is fake And that you're never going to get To the bottom of the layers The Walberg thing is the exact opposite

[01:10:54] Where he is so earnest And so incapable of playing outside of his range He is so quintessentially who he is That there's something kind of nice About the fact that the movie does not make him Work too hard to try to sell him

[01:11:06] As being anything other than what he is That he always sticks out as a sore thumb And as a counter-boy to Kerry Grant Who is so confident, so smooth So successful and seductive That Walberg always feels like a guy

[01:11:18] Who's trying a little bit too hard to sell this idea And the best Walberg scene is the end of the movie Where he goes to his weird office underneath the stairs And you're like this is this like Dorky American guy Who has completely failed for two hours

[01:11:30] To sell the idea that he belongs in Europe That his office is like littered with literal footballs And he's got a suit that doesn't fit him really well And he's like some dork Who actually would be a spy Rather than the kind of like slick James Bondy spy

[01:11:42] That's pretty appealing It's pretty appealing The scenes where it feels like It taps into that Where it's like He's almost a little too actual Like he's almost a little too academic And studied in trying to be a charming light person The problem is

[01:12:01] You don't believe she would ever fall for it That anyone would ever fall for it It does seem ridiculous to me That's why all the lines from the original film Like just them saying I love you You're like what? Seriously?

[01:12:13] He feels like the quarterback deciding to do the high school play And you're like he's pretty good Considering You've got some cute oges I will say when I saw the movie in 2002 I liked his performance A lot I was fully sold on Walkmark

[01:12:31] You want to believe in the future of Mark Lover I still like him One of the funniest things that's completely random Is when Ted 2 came out I was like can't wait to see Ted 2 I really like Ted 1 And my wife was like you never saw it

[01:12:45] And I was like I love Ted 1 And then I was like wait I haven't actually seen it You felt culturally like you had seen it I felt that I culturally seen it The trailers had made me laugh and I really like Mark Lover

[01:12:57] So I just assumed that I saw it and loved it So I wrote a whole review of Ted 2 Based on the premise that I had not seen Ted 1 And had to rediscover it Did you do it for talk house? Did you ever watch Ted 1? I did

[01:13:11] I saw both of them I would argue that Ted 2 has a pretty great premise But Ted doesn't know what to do with it We talked about Ted and Ted 2 too much on this damn podcast Ted 1 has no premise outside of the main hook It's got no story

[01:13:26] It's just a series of things happening for two hours essentially The idea of Ted 2 is Does Ted exist as a human being? Does he deserve human rights? Is he a magical creature created by a wish? Should the government be able to view him as a sentient being?

[01:13:39] I think it's a pretty insane premise for a film I mean it kind of goes into some of the stuff you talked about With Fletcher Yeah, our greatest movie star Do you like Forky? I like Forky Oh boy Wow

[01:13:55] I did not think Forky justified the perfect ending that was Toy Story 3 Wow So you're just sort of like no sequel necessary Toy Story 3 I saw it with the aforementioned John McGarry Here in New York And I was just like shaking to my core

[01:14:10] And I was like this is the perfect ending to a franchise I was like this is the perfect ending to a franchise I was willing to go into Toy Story 4 Ready to Have that franchise reignited But I was like you know what I didn't need it

[01:14:24] I mean yeah, cause I'm honestly a Toy Story hyperfan But I prefer the ending of 4 Which I know I'm in a Wild minority on Among the Toy Story hyperfans Yeah, also amongst everybody I feel like even the people who like Fork prefer the ending of 3

[01:14:38] But the Forky thing for me I just so robust and I want Disney to start announcing That Forky is in other movies I want them to be like Forky is playing If I make another Disney movie I'm gonna play it right now If I make another Disney film

[01:14:52] I will put Forky in it I'm just waiting for them to be like never mind Javier dropped out of negotiations Forky is playing King Triton in the In the little barn Is Javier Bardem playing King Triton?

[01:15:04] As of now Javier Bardem is in aggressive talks to play King Triton What do you think? What do you think he's gonna wear? He's not gonna be shirtless He'll have some sort of... But then it's not King Triton King Triton is

[01:15:19] It's true, the chest is really where the authority comes from That's where the performance comes from Kenneth, what does it say? Oh it's Kenneth Marves as King Triton Which is so weird The Nazi from the producers Is the voice of King Triton

[01:15:33] Glad he's the Nazi from the producer Very curious what the government Are they gonna die his hair white? Is he gonna have a long white wizard beard? He must Not opposed He might be beardless with white hair But could he do that? Legally? Like Aquafina playing Scott L

[01:15:53] We were just talking about it Who's playing Flounder? Jacob Tremblay your man The Tram Are most consistently bankable movie stars? Dr. Sleep putting a dent in that I know It's a pretty brutal scene If they put him above the title that movie would have opened to 80

[01:16:11] I have to imagine he wanted to Like he was like really murder me I haven't done that yet I mean obviously Mike Flanagan has his His players And so he's just like, hey Jacob Wanna be in this and he's like yeah

[01:16:25] He was thirst trapping Mike Flanagan going murder me Mike Flanagan I just feel like he's a Risk-taking actor who's like I wanna do something new I wanna be eviscerated by Rebecca Ferguson on screen In like a 10 minute That's really quite upsetting Fucking Tremblay

[01:16:41] I mean I think it's maybe your finest piece of writing Ever Finest piece of writing ever If I had to be the one who chose what to submit for your Pulitzer bid I would pick Jacob Tremblay Is reviving the mid-budget studio film With his bare hands

[01:16:57] After good, good boys Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, that's true Okay, the Tandy Newton What's weird about Tandy or Tandy Is it Tandy? I'm a moron Tandy Newton What I find interesting about this performance Is it feels like she is really going for Audrey Hepburn She is giving

[01:17:21] She's the one actor in this movie Giving a performance that would fit into the classic charade Whereas everyone else is doing a weird or more modern thing She is very much playing like classic Hollywood star And especially in terms of like This weird balancing act

[01:17:33] The charade pulls off Which is all these horrible things are happening And they're rolling off their backs Like water It's like Kerry Grant and Audrey Hepburn Constantly are witnessing people being murdered And going like oh ho hum And making small Hollywood banter It's so dull

[01:17:51] I wouldn't take a bath in there If I were you, it's just so charming Yeah, I find it very charming It's very odd though because it is She's on a different tenor than everyone else Where although Demi is trying to be playful

[01:18:03] I feel like he's a little more interested In the stakes of this world Rather than charade which treats death As like a weird inconvenience This movie like every time someone dies It lands with proper emotional weight He is concerned about them being human beings

[01:18:17] And not like nameless thugs It's totally true Although I did find it really weird That Lisa G. Hamilton dies in a film Very weird Visually It was very strange No one's mad about it People should be a little more upset

[01:18:35] They react the same way everyone else in Shreya does But you feel like Demi's empathy is like This is a loss of human life Of course Which it is But then Tandy Newton starts crying And it feels so odd at that point

[01:18:49] In the movie that she is reacting that strongly To something because you've seen her In the news that her husband got murdered With a bunch of pithy like Bon Mose She was definitely going to divorce him She was definitely going to divorce him

[01:19:01] Even though Stephen Delaney is a very charming Enhanced man with a nice face They gave him that hair They're giving him the Da Vinci Code hair And the thing that Game of Thrones Which he was on for many years And despised every second of He's always been like

[01:19:17] Stupid and I didn't like it It's like your most famous role now He was Stannis My personal favorite Game of Thrones character I've heard that name Stannis the Lobster He does have a bit of a personality of a lobster Wait, what were you going to say David?

[01:19:33] Charlie gets more screen time in this Than the original He just dies and gets a nice close up But that was weird The deaths are all very visceral Like drowning in a bathtub Stabbed in the throat The deaths are very hitch cocky And that was delightful

[01:19:52] And this is weird Where the deaths are off hand But everyone takes them very seriously That means such a sweetheart He is so fundamentally right As you say just upset about I'm still not completely sure how Ted Levine dies Me neither I assume you was like

[01:20:10] Blow darted or poisoned Or scared to death by Jim Robbins But also there's an earlier scene Where he's doing acupuncture on himself And he's just hanging off his lefty or whatever Is he trying to treat a very specific Pre-existing medical condition

[01:20:24] Or is he a guy who's just constantly experimenting Yeah, I don't know Levine's just got such Good energy in any movie he makes Like he's just always someone I want to pay attention to Eddie Hanks I feel it's safe to say this at this point But when I

[01:20:42] Made Aint Them Body Science I Had Levine in it In the Carrotting part He wasn't ultimately able to do it But for a brief period I was in touch with him And the first communication he ever sent To me was an email with a video attached

[01:20:58] And maybe I might be able to find it But it was just him playing the banjo For four minutes At the end of it he looked in the camera And was like howdy And I was like And so even though he didn't mind Being in the movie

[01:21:14] I will treasure that forever And hopefully someday I can Work with him That fucking rules It's as good as it sounds Like I'm not overselling it at all We were talking about In the Sans the Lambs episode How it's interesting that he's a guy who's never stopped

[01:21:32] Working at things of various sizes And it still feels like he's underused It still feels like He so rarely gets the chance to Really play to his strengths Even though he does such a wide array Of different things and different genres With different people

[01:21:48] And it feels like he's out there He's just so fascinating He is somewhat fascinating What's he done recently? He was the villain in the last Jurassic World movie For the first half Until it becomes an auction thriller Which the auction thriller is unfortunately The part I like more

[01:22:06] He's fine in that movie But it's also like a character That's been done in Jurassic World So it's just kind of But I'm the big game hunter Who's really figured out what I want here He's playing Muldoon but older That's a movie that just sort of happened

[01:22:24] Big hit Did you see the short film? I did. Can I throw out a hot take? Because everyone was asking for my take on it The Trevor O film? What was it called? A Battle at Big Rock I kind of liked it

[01:22:38] I think it's the best thing Trevor has directed We shot The Green Night movie I'm finishing now in Ireland And they shot that in Ireland So we were starting prep While they were shooting that Andrey Holland is in it

[01:22:52] It was like a random thing that they shot in Ireland But it takes place in California But it was pretty cool To go see a big T-Rex animatronic on stage I have to admit I see the appeal The movies are what they are

[01:23:06] But getting to make one movie with a giant animatronic T-Rex Is pretty awesome But also the one he previously directed Didn't have any animatronics The only animatronic in it is the one dinosaur that's dying So it's nice that Battle at Big Rock has Active animatronic dinosaurs

[01:23:21] I think it's pretty moody It's nice in that it feels like It's very focused on what it's doing It feels very streamlined I think it ratchets tension pretty successfully He's working with a good actor I think the end is pretty good I think the end is pretty interesting

[01:23:37] Because it feels like the first time I've clearly seen Trevoro having his own totally unique take On the Jurassic world That isn't tied to what's feelbirds done To the Daniels Park You talk about the credits The goofy people interacting with dinosaurs In real life

[01:23:55] The end credits of the film are Cell phone footage Of people having terrifying encounters With dinosaurs out in the real world Dash cam movie That should be the entire next Jurassic Park movie What the hell is that called? It's not called the car movie It's something like that

[01:24:13] The road movie It made me kind of Excited to see what the next one is I would so thoroughly Love to be proven wrong And go hog fucking wild On the next Jurassic world And the short gave me a little bit of Excitement Cool, I'm gonna watch it

[01:24:34] Yeah To the Bat-Charlie Candy Noon is doing real old Hollywood stuff None that deaths are taken seriously By the characters but they are by the film Yeah, that's true The deaths feel kind of incidental in terms of how they actually happen There's some pretty lovely Paris location stuff

[01:24:56] Like the original, they made good use of the city Exactly, the ferris wheel scene is great Yeah You know, sort of shades of third man Shades of third man as well It is one of those things that also doesn't get Talked enough about I think in Paraset films

[01:25:12] Much like Beetlejuice If you say Charles Asnivore twice He shows up and serenades you And most films totally overlook that They do, they just don't say it It's a scientific fact I wonder, like I was He was definitely, I can't imagine

[01:25:28] He was there at the same time that they were shooting Mark Wahlberg and Candy Noon Look in the camera, imagine this charming old Frenchman Singing to you and just dance And smile, just smile It's such a weird thing because they like kiss

[01:25:41] They have this like Hollywood happy romantic ending Then they look straight at the camera And you're like is this movie gonna end with them Just winking to the camera And going, we're movie stars And then you realize no it's Demi doing his like subjective close up

[01:25:54] And in fact they're not looking at the camera They're looking at their old buddy Charles Asnivore back for a reprise Of his original song from the film Not his song originally for the film But the one song he sings twice in two different languages

[01:26:07] What a weird fucking way to end this movie It's a weird way to end a weird movie And that's not the ending They've done two awesome powers at this point Where they do the joke of You hear Burt Backrack playing And then like Myers goes

[01:26:21] Ladies and gentlemen Burt Backrack And the camera whips around to show Burt Backrack in the location For Demi to do that after it's been made fun Of twice That's insane I wonder if Demi would watch Austin Powers I feel like he had to have

[01:26:35] He would have loved those movies He would have really felt for Austin This man, he's out of time Now we're turning him into this me his eye I think I watched this Charlie Rose interview this morning And They make lots of jokes about his name Charlie Rose

[01:26:53] It's like constantly comes up God, Charlie Rose What a hack Because I do feel like that He's the ultimate example of He was doing so little That it almost looked like he was a genius Because it almost felt like it was intentionally minimalist

[01:27:09] This guy has to be good And like the set is so simple The music is so sophisticated And his questions are so dumb That people could use them as launching pads To get into interesting realms of conversation For ten minutes

[01:27:23] That I feel like his guests always made it look Like he was a better interviewer But I've heard this story of when Wes Anderson went on Charlie Rose to Promote Rushmore And apparently took Charlie Rose 30 takes to get bottle rocket right He went His first movie, Battle Racket

[01:27:43] And they got on Charlie back to Every time Bottle Racket, Battle Rocket I once saw him interview Vince Gilgain live At some screening for Breaking Bad or something And he was at one point just went So you know the Boston Marathon Bomber Sarniv He liked Breaking Bad apparently

[01:28:03] What do you think of that? And Gilgain was like I mean, I don't know I don't like that But he didn't even ask questions That's his interview style But also the Charlie Rose interview style Okay here are people who are in the Junket Circuit right

[01:28:21] They're doing all these five minute interviews And then you go to Charlie Rose It's spaced out There's no pyrotechnics And he leans in and goes Why do you make this movie? Which is not a very interesting question But allows someone to get into it

[01:28:37] He's like that's the beginning of this interview Of course Now to be fair A solid question for the truth about Charlie Why make this movie is a pretty solid question For this one That's when he brought up the term Mad Spirit

[01:28:51] And then you're like okay I get it I know Demi, I know why he made this movie It all makes sense The thing that really got me this morning When I was watching this interview Was that he was so happy talking about it Like he was so enthused

[01:29:05] You could tell that regardless of whether He was happy with how the film turned out Or happy with his reception By that point clearly the writing was probably on the wall After the film had been delayed I think that he loved it And you could just

[01:29:19] Feel this coming out And one time I saw him in person Talking about the Robert Downey senior film He was just so pleased to be talking about it Just was so excited to be talking about it And so that love for his characters

[01:29:30] I think transmitted to the film at large And regardless of whether The film is beloved No pun intended or not I think he really cared about them Like even if he didn't invest himself Completely in them I'm sure he did but like He just loved the movie

[01:29:48] And that was really moving to me to see And that was one of those things that I aspire to myself Is to like have that To just be loving and enjoying Yeah sometimes they don't turn out Sometimes they're not the best thing ever

[01:30:02] But like there was integrity behind my desire To make it And the people I made it with I love so much and they did such good work He always talks about the good work everyone else does He says that he always tries to hire people

[01:30:14] Who are smarter and better than him Right and he's so modest And sort of like collaborative in that sense And so he never would put down a movie Because he'd be putting down his collaborators Who he loves so much and I just really was touched by that

[01:30:27] It's he was so infectious Whenever he was talking about films Whether it was like presenting something Or talking about his favorite things Or even talking about his own films And he's maybe the only film maker I can think of where anytime

[01:30:41] In any interview I've been trying to watch And read as much as I could Anytime he cites the work Of someone else who worked on the movie It always feels so genuine and wholehearted He's such a chair He's just sort of giving lip service to someone

[01:30:55] Where he'll talk about like the great Carol Littleton One of the best American editors alive Which she did in this film is magnificent And a lot of times also when people say things like that It somehow feels like they're complimenting themselves You know, they're talking about how good

[01:31:07] That person's work was in their movie And it's like they're talking about I gave them a chance to do good work And look at how much my movie owns Versus him he's just like What a professional This person came in and did their job so well

[01:31:21] And I'm so grateful for it It is though weirdly a movie Almost like it's funny that it got invoked here But like the Gus Van Sant Psycho Where I can't imagine watching this And not having seen Trade Because it is so convoluted plot-wise

[01:31:37] That you kind of need to know what the normal version Of this movie Is to be able to appreciate what he's doing as a director So that you can take away those aspects And then there's that weird fact That the DVD had Shared As on the second disc

[01:31:51] Because Shared was Public domain So they just chucked it onto But it's just so funny to think that like The movie comes out It's a bomb People are like why did he remake Shared And they do a DVD And Demi's like put the movie everyone likes Why not?

[01:32:11] They did It had gone out of print And then later it came back But it was available as a DVD extra At that period of time it was the first time Shared Had been on DVD in like five years In any good format

[01:32:25] Because there were all these horrible Dollar bin public domain transfers It's so weird Also I feel like People will Perhaps listen to this episode Alright we're gonna buckle ourselves in for a weird movie And it's not weird in the way that you expect Like it's like

[01:32:42] It's weird but it's not so weird That you're watching Dadaist art It still has like these weird like Formulay thriller elements That don't really work Because the stakes are just sort of A little absent There's no romantic There's not much romantic tension between Mark and Tandy

[01:33:02] Even in the scenes where they're like Oh I have to get undressed and change You know like these scenes that should be sparking Tension don't really You know amount to a ton So it's more just you watching Demi have this wild time

[01:33:16] And do scenes like the scene where Anna Karina is singing And everyone is dancing together And it's It's sort of joyful If you know who Anna Karina is You have to like kind of know that And if you don't Why does the scene exist?

[01:33:32] Why are these characters doing this? The characters don't know each other yet It is also such a weird thing of like Talking about the joyfulness Of his like filmmaking process And how much he enjoyed making this movies Most times that we watch Like movies that are either disastrous

[01:33:48] Or have disastrous reputations Even if we like them and come to their defense They very rarely Look like movies that were fun to make Yes You know it's usually like man this was such a difficult birth How did this turn out this way

[01:34:02] Even if the director stands behind it The actors were miserable Or the production crunch was insane Something went horribly wrong And this is a weird example of like It looks like everyone was having a fucking ball And the movie selectively translates that to the audience

[01:34:16] And other times you kind of just can't get in Totally I also If it was 60 million It must have been a long shoot Or lengthy That makes sense Because it's so like Unless Walberg is making like 15 You know like some huge chunk But it also feels like

[01:34:38] It makes sense if it's Greenlit As a Will Smith movie And they've all been Even if Walberg is getting a 25% pay cut From what Will Smith would have gotten He's still probably getting an insane amount And they've also adjusted everything In the budget

[01:34:54] That's why people don't say his name twice Right I mean he's like $10 million You know with a movie that The movie If I were listening to this And when I watch this movie The movie I think I'm gonna get is Ocean's Twelve Of course

[01:35:13] Something that is basically like Challenging every formal story It's like what would Harmony Corrine do With this movie And a movie that is similarly rejected By mainstream audiences And only performed better Exactly Like the most purely enjoyable movie of a decade Is then followed by another weird experiment

[01:35:33] Where a director is like I wanna make an homage to all those weird Convoluted Euro thrillers Yeah, I really like Ocean's Twelve Yeah, Ocean's Twelve I just wanna do Soderbergh But I don't know how we do it It's so long And with so many peaks and valleys

[01:35:51] What if you like skipped every Like we did every third film You'd have a great series on your hands But you'd also be skipping a bunch of great movies That's sort of the thing with Soderbergh Where you're like, yeah, you can edit

[01:36:03] But even the bombs or the weird ones Are fertile for discussion So can I tell you a crazy thing I've been thinking about That I haven't even pitched to you off-mic But it's a thing I've been experimenting with

[01:36:13] In my brain and I wanna put this out there as a flyer What an incredible setup Yeah, sure, go ahead What if we all move to Mars No Someone like Soderbergh or like Scorsese Who we'll talk about Where we're like, oh my god, they're so great

[01:36:29] They have like well over 20 movies It covers so many different periods and genres You can't really isolate it To just this phase of their career It will feel incomplete There's not a clear division point Like there is with Spielberg or Verhoeven or whatever

[01:36:43] I've had half a thought recently That was like What if you did someone like Scorsese And we committed to We're gonna sandwich it Like we're gonna do half a Scorsese We're gonna do two or three little filmographies in between And then we'll come back

[01:36:59] We're just gonna do half of a movie But you know what I'm saying That you would go like we'll do Soderbergh up until here Yeah, which we did with Spielberg But then we're committed to We'll come back and do the other half within the same calendar year

[01:37:11] I don't know, is that an insane idea I wanna see how people react to that It's out there It still becomes a giant insurmountable Number of movies to cover It just prevents us from having six months Where we're only talking about one person Okay, okay

[01:37:27] Scorsese is the other one Like Soderbergh where it's like 20 plus movies But I think they're basically all worth discussing And would be a lot of fun That's a year You just have to commit 2022 to Scorsese And 2023 to Soderbergh With like a little break And then in between

[01:37:45] In the middle of Scorsese Okay Let's put the box up The film, just to point out As I believe we discussed Made I think $6 million domestic So not good And one overseas, I think it made seven worldwide Which is, hey European movie That's a real flop

[01:38:05] Even the Parisians were buying it I mean it made even less than Black Hat It made less than Black Although adjusted it probably So it opened Like $200 million It wasn't that bad I think it was close to $100 million He's been a block His movies are not Ever

[01:38:25] The way it opened, they opened it on 700 screens in late October It's an October 25th Real vote of confidence And it just opens to $2 million It's the 14th Does it ever go wider? Is that It's a great question I'm still getting used to this new box office mode

[01:38:45] No it does not In that case the multiple is better than I would think That's true Off a two But Number one October 2002 The inverse of this movie A very cheaply made film that was a huge hit The Ring That is number two That is number two

[01:39:11] That is a real sensation That's the only movie I remember that's not This period of time was defined by Punch, Drunk, Love And The Ring Two movies that rocked my October The Ring was kind of seismic I feel like we don't give it enough credit

[01:39:25] As a cultural force We want to do Verbinsky It is an underrated part of his career And it is a good movie My hot take is I like it more than the original I think that it's a better Made film than the original

[01:39:40] I do think that the original has That scare that is so profound Of her coming out of the TV for the first time And that was a movie That was a movie that I just rented from my video store Knowing nothing and when that happened

[01:39:52] I really did jump out of my skin I think the Gover Binsky one has The girl under the cabinet door Shot cut Which is even scarier To this day I will not watch that I think The Ring was like the first horror movie Saw in a theater

[01:40:10] Really kind of scary horror movie I think that the video in The Ring The tape is so Good It's so freaky I watch it all the time I'm gonna die in seven days I partially hired Boyan Bazelli for Pete's Dragon Because he shot The Ring

[01:40:28] And so I talked about that video And he said they made so many different versions of it At different exposure levels So it would illuminate the actors faces That's so cool Nitty gritty of that video was really exciting That video, it's on Freakin' YouTube

[01:40:44] You can watch it anytime That's also a movie where it opened to like 14 And then it went up the second weekend And it ended up doing well over 100 It opened to 15 When 18 the second weekend Which is this weekend 18 the third That's nuts 19 off of 15

[01:41:06] Is a pretty rare phenomenon Is that like Naomi Watts' biggest hit That's not like the King Kong It's those two And then The Ring too Just kind of like Doesn't exist Were they given to Nakata? And then Rings The plane Had the tape That was a pretty good

[01:41:30] Too many screams It was effective on the trailer But it also did feel like Is there a plot to this movie or is this all they got Anyway, so that's number two But number one is It's a comedy And it's an independent-ish film It's a pick hit

[01:41:48] Huge hit Okay not huge But it makes 64 On a five budget Wow It's a TV spin off Oh Oh It is one of the best films of the 2000s I and I feel like this is a Somewhat controversial opinion Think it's probably the best one Sure

[01:42:14] This is Jackass the movie An American masterpiece You think it's three The one that people really gravitate towards Yeah cause the 3D But people also love two The reason 3D is like They're like we're all getting old And look, let's look back at the good times

[01:42:32] We had together and so that makes everyone It's great It's one of the best uses of 3D ever It was truly a stunning film to watch in the theater I also think there's the added subtext of Steve has gotten sober

[01:42:45] And the entire gang decides to do the whole movie Cold turkey Out of solidarity with him So it's the one movie where suddenly they have dread Every time the thing's about to happen Whereas in the other ones you can tell they're constantly drunk

[01:42:59] And they're just like reckless abandon Jackass 3D has the moments where they're just like Why am I doing this? And then the thing starts That, I mean maybe this is true for you guys too But it really was I went to a school, a boys school

[01:43:15] As I've spoken around on this topic United States country of Jackass Very common in the United Kingdom to have single sex education Oh this is so funny you misspoke You meant to say the United States No state And Just Any lunch break

[01:43:33] We're all hanging out in like the home room Whatever Remember on Jackass when they did this And then it's just like an hour of boys Relating scenes from a show we've all watched My exact experience So boring and yet That is a vital memory for me

[01:43:49] It was Jackass and the Simpsons Simpsons, which was more my speed I remember when But like Jackass was also like the only really like Boise thing that I ever felt Infected me You know what I'm saying? You weren't like really a wrestling fan

[01:44:07] You weren't kind of thinking of other sports You know that wasn't my favorite Elk of Comedy When it got to that level of conversation If it was video games Usually music genres Like I would always sort of be a step out of my male friends At that time

[01:44:22] I was like I am as into this conversation Of comparing Jackass clips Totally no no interesting cars Sports But Jackass 100% It's just kind of perfect And it's also one of those things where You only realize when other people Do it poorly

[01:44:40] What a kind of magical thing they lucked Into Because so much of it is the dynamic of them It doesn't work if the guys aren't as close As they are on Jackass They actually love each other And when people make it and it's kind of sadistic

[01:44:54] What are the other versions of it? Because post Jackass I feel like it's 87 MTV shows that we don't even remember The name of Where you're like it's a group they kind of do the same thing And they promote them really hard It was five episodes and it disappeared

[01:45:08] I feel like I've seen a lot of people Who I can't even remember Try to imitate that kind of thing And even the Jackass spin-offs never worked Yeah the spin-offs were pretty bad You remember Wild Boys? Evil Labam of course Evil Labam is the one I know of

[01:45:24] Number three is a film I've been trying to find which one But like a weekend close to this weekend Because a lot of these films we've talked about before It's a horror film I've always thought it's a pretty good time It had a great tagline

[01:45:38] 13 Ghosts or Ghost Ship Z Evil Juliana Margolies Gabriel Byrne Crazy scene where a wire cuts a whole party in half Man I miss those dark castles I know It was like a great brief period Where every Halloween you'd get a really good Even if it wasn't good

[01:45:58] I would really enjoy watching them Was Dark Castle the Joel Silver or was that the Sam Raimi? Because Raimi had one And Silver had one And it felt like it was good for business That they were like competing They were like the Beatles and the Beach Boys

[01:46:12] Or they were like driving each other And then they grudged the first grudge Silver and Zemeckis That was basically the tales from the Crip Crew That was Dark Castle Sun Haunted Hill, 13 Ghosts, Gothica Yeah, Gothica So Ghost Ship, I mean not a hit Made 30

[01:46:30] I would say that's probably below Memorable opening scene Incredible opening scene Good premise One best picture They just kept giving it back Number four And I wonder if this is on Disney Plus It must be Walt Disney romantic comedy I would think it's a PG-13

[01:46:52] With a big movie star Is it Touchstone or is it Disney proper? That makes a big difference You know how the box up is saying Disney Oh right, I forgot if you search for this So okay, it's October 2002 It's a Disney romantic comedy It's a Touchstone

[01:47:12] It's gentle enough that you would not be surprised Were it on Disney Plus I don't think it's this, but for some reason Serendipity popped into my head That's a fair guess, but it's not that I remember specifically that being a wake of 9-11 movie

[01:47:23] That's right, a year before But it's probably the same General time of year You said it is or is not on Disney Plus It is Because it's interesting which things Make the cut Dan in real life I'm talking about the stars of this picture

[01:47:41] Well, you got a big Big female star of the decade Is it Sweet Home Alabama That's correct Oh that was one of my favorite lines Really? Josh Lucas goes, girl I knew used to be fearless He does say that Such a good line

[01:47:59] One of my biggest problems with that movie Is that they're so I think I've talked about this But they're so like Now I'm not seeing it Andy Rick Andy Tenen I would love to see what he'd do with that movie He was busy controlling the universe

[01:48:17] He was busy controlling the universe It's so committed to the premise of she hates Alabama And hates where she's come from And is very despicable I haven't seen it, but I just That line of the film It's a weirdly angry movie When she has come back she's like

[01:48:33] You fucking hicks Because you're all such hicks And Josh Lucas is playing this guy Who makes lightning sand Like where you at They scoop up the lightning hit He's making sculptures He's a very successful independent business man And an artizing There should be a scene

[01:48:53] Where he files his taxes Just to prove where it's like This man has an LLC He's selling his art He's got a great thing going He's the mayor's son And the mayor is Candice Bergen The mayor of New York He takes her on a date to Tiffany's

[01:49:12] It turns out he has closed down the entire store And the lights go on And all the employees are there And she can pick whichever ring she wants For her proposal Is his lightning art being sold to Tiffany's No, no, these are two different guys

[01:49:26] I know, but wouldn't that be an amazing reveal Like she's like any ring you want And she's like If the movie were good Number five is the word of mouth sensation Of the year we discussed it recently on the podcast My big fat Greek wedding

[01:49:40] It will never happen again How long ago did that open? It's 28th week and it's made 177 On its way to 241 I can only say I was a project just in this period I can only imagine how shitty that print Was by this weekend

[01:49:56] Like cause we never got replacement Friends unless something horrible happened But they would just get like Titanic was in horrible shape I just so funny My big fat Greek wedding must have just been in tatters Because it only It only finishes its box office run The following March

[01:50:14] That sounds about right I think it plays for 11 straight months In wide release theaters Yeah, it played through to April April 2000 It played a full year It played 50 weeks That is fucking You know what Wrap it up That's reserved for Jackie Robinson

[01:50:36] And has Punch Drunk Love been out for like two weeks Punch Drunk Love is number seven And it has been out for three weeks You're really, I mean your projection You got Red Dragon speaking of Hannibal Which is doing just fine You got the transporter

[01:50:50] Finding to think that that's that old a franchise Brown Sugar Which I think is kind of a fun movie Is that the one When was the first time you fell in love with hip hop Was that a tagline for that one Is that the tagline for that one

[01:51:05] I also I just googled Brown Sugar Which is as stupid as googling sweet home Alabama You're on a rock roll The rhythm, the beat, the love Dot dot dot And you don't stop Brown Sugar You got the tuxedo as well Just wanted to shout out the tuxedo

[01:51:23] It's kind of incredible how much confidence everyone had In Jackie Chan making American studio films Of Rush Hour and how no one actually knew what to do with him And he talks so dismissively about those movies Where he's like, yeah that's stupid That's not what I'm good at

[01:51:36] I don't understand why they want to put me in a tuxedo Or with a bunch of kids But he just did He did, he cashed those checks But he always talks about He's like, I don't understand this American sense of humor This is not funny

[01:51:50] The action scene is so funny The action scenes are bad It's a bad premise I'll take it made out to cash, please What's the other one with a bunch of kids The medallion? Is that the other one with a bunch of kids? No, there's the spy next door

[01:52:04] The medallion is a weird The medallion is a weird It's like him doing the golden child Is it Brinny Harlan directing? I think it is But that's like a mystical Gordon Chan directed that Wait a second That other one must have done a Chan, right?

[01:52:22] Brian Levant made the spy next door Of course he did, director of the Flintstones Well, you know what? Let me just look up Brinny Harlan Hopefully he is not a Leonard Skinner song Or a type of baking ingredient Just add two scoops of Brinny Harlan and you'll get

[01:52:38] Brinny Harlan did skip Trace Oh well that's a real The recent Knoxville Remember who am I? Remember that one? It's a Hong Kong one but he wakes up And he doesn't know who he is And he goes, who am I? For the entire movie

[01:52:57] The one I loved was Mr. Nice Guy He kept on knocking people out by accident But isn't that kind of the tuxedo thing too Where he's like, whoa I'm not in control of my body That becomes the joke The tuxedo is like the bionic tuxedo

[01:53:09] But it's also the difference of like The American films always had to have such A convoluted over thought Hook Right and his films it's like I don't know this is the guy's temperament He's drunk Let fights proceed for the next two hours And credits masterpiece

[01:53:27] And then the tuxedo is like 15 years ago in a secret underground lab A tuxedo was developed Four medallions were buried in the desert Many centuries ago Like it's always so over complicated The medallion has the poster where Claire Forlani's leg is in some crazy angle

[01:53:43] That can't be real I'm like, oh, like Ty Sheridan's leg On the ready player one poster Ty Sheridan's leg on that poster is Unbelievable Two years later What the hell is going on here This is crazy It's a full Split What's clear for Lani been in Recently

[01:54:10] I'm looking up the tv show Apparently in 2003 she suffered a massive leg injury For the listener at home If you don't have access to the poster For the medallion If it's not readily available to you Claire Forlani's legs are at 12 and 6 Yes they are, that's correct

[01:54:26] Maybe, maybe 1145 and 6 If you're being generous 1150 And Jackie Chan is kinda doing Jazz hands Lee Evans is also build But not seen I think he's the villain I wish he was build but not seen in the movie Like he's buried on the poster Well that's the great

[01:54:48] Sonic the Hedgehog poster Where James Marsden is first build It's Marsden carry no Marsden on the poster Oh is he not on the poster No the poster is Sonic and Robotnik You gotta make room for Sonic But you don't put shorts on the poster And you do put

[01:55:04] At this point that movie is basically about to come out Yeah It comes out next week according It just came out February 14th Wow That's just the craziest story Yes In recent Hollywood history And people were tweeting at me being When I tweeted about it being like

[01:55:24] It's bad like fans shouldn't have that control Of course And I can only imagine yes That Paramount went to the visual effects studio And Australian was like Make Sonic look good And whipping them in like But it is just crazy Where it's like they released the trailer

[01:55:42] It was a calamity It was a moral calamity The United Nations assembled People were like this cannot proceed Paramount was like you're right And then they just went dark And then they come back and they look like this now And everyone's like yeah that's fine That's A-OK

[01:56:00] And it's like does the movie look like shit? It looks like fucking garbage It looks like an alien It also looks like the right kind of stupid Like even the jokes in it Or like this is the kind of dumb joke I want out of a Sonic movie

[01:56:14] Somehow in that new trailer Jim Carrey works better It's so insane It's because of the design Like now all of a sudden I can contextualize This movie properly When he looks like the old design Everyone should just be sitting down And being like what cruel God made you

[01:56:30] And then your tweet at the time was What a bad approach to making a Sonic movie And then you see this screenplay Start with exterior green rolling hills And then you see the new trailer And it opens with the green hill zone Him running appropriate music

[01:56:44] Him saying hey I'm Sonic I like running fast you go great This is the exact kind of cinematic diarrhea we want Feed it to me Good job So this opens It just came out What's gonna be the top five Oh this is a great game

[01:57:02] This is an evolution on the record Wow You want me to find the release schedule For what's vaguely on the board I'm gonna pull it up too so we can all look at it Alright some birds of prey Came out a week before So that'll be hovering around

[01:57:18] You also some other things that you have hovering around That won't be hovering around Are the rhythm section God knows if that'll actually come out There seems to be some kind of Hansel and Gretel horror movie Called Gretel and Hansel That's from Osgood Perkins

[01:57:32] Who I think I've really enjoyed Like the Black Coats daughter and pretty thing of the house Oh I like the black, yeah okay He does like weird like artsy horror films I could see but this is maybe a little more Mainstream right But the trailer was pretty good

[01:57:46] Sophia Lillis from It is Gretel Yes I saw this It looks like it could be like a sleeper I'm sorry lock it up Lock it down It'll be doing okay Gretel will be topping the box office for the fifth week in a row No that will have

[01:58:02] Congress will have already intervened to strike it from the record One weekend they'll be like America can suffer no longer You know how that movie They could have taken the Sonic approach with that Obviously it was troubled a long time ago

[01:58:12] They could have just released that trailer a year ago Hans would have been in an uproar The do little heads The do little heads The do little heads Can I say I think Do Little is going to be the film that takes the Sonic

[01:58:27] Phenomenon one step further where they release it in theaters And then a week after it comes out They go sorry sorry back to the drawing board Pull the movie off a screen I think it'll be they release in theaters And then people like that was a bad movie

[01:58:39] And you'll be like the last Dr. Do Little I see Isn't it crazy that they used to do that though Like they released a movie If it didn't do well Let's pull it let's tinker with it for another couple of weeks Heaven's Gate famously

[01:58:51] Citizens Band was one of those right This is my prediction I think birds and Sonic are both probably doing in the fort Kingsman I think if Then Kingsman And then I think photograph Could be a sleeper Maybe the gentleman is hanging on Also the gentleman and Kingsman

[01:59:12] Are two crazy together Get these movies further apart You can't have a rich movie with Matthew Vaughn movies near each other Oh I thought I thought the Kingsman was Two different films released two weeks apart Gentlemen is I think more of a hard-ar Richie Yeah

[01:59:28] I assume is more of a P13 With that guy It's got refines Harris Dickinson The gentleman trailer made me laugh more than any trailer I've seen this year But I will tell you why off Mike The Kingsman also has Risa Fawns playing the villain Who is Rasputin

[01:59:48] It's the welcome return of Rasputin They've done from Hellboy 1 Yeah Anastasia he's been a villain From the of course the End days of the Russian royal family It was a great villain then But I just love his sort of His evergreen value as a villain

[02:00:04] In movies that aren't about Rasputin You can always just throw him in there And guess who's behind it all Rasputin that dirty bastard His powers are just indefinite He kind of just fit in anywhere He claims he's a mystic but it's all fraudulent

[02:00:18] Does he keep his penis in a jar Or in his pants Anyway So great two great box office games Great discussion of truth about Charlie Yeah I recommend people see truth about Charlie After having made their way Through the rest of the TV films

[02:00:35] I think you want to watch some Demis You want to watch charade And within that context it's a pretty rewarding watch Even if it is not a fully successful movie On its own it is a Completely confounding object It really is I'm really stressed when he's like

[02:00:51] I've settled on my next project The Manchurian candidate You mean the good movie? That's good I'm gonna remake it And then it comes out and people are like It's actually not bad It was sort of the buzz on it

[02:01:05] That's about as good as a remake of Manchurian candidate could be Solid at all Just as good as the original And then Denzel, Shaggy Denzel It's like a pharma company or something I feel like that and Man on Fire I think Man on Fire was here before

[02:01:19] I think those are both of them Really like the Shaggy Denzel There's a weird trilogy That is Manchurian, Man on Fire And taking a Pelham 1, 2, 3 Which he's also good in and that movie is pretty good Wait didn't taking a Pelham 1, 2, 3 come out After the time

[02:01:35] Out of what was his time It is later It's after what's it called The other Tony Scott film Which is the biggest speck screenplay sale of all time Isn't that Deja Vu? There's also Out of Time But that's the Carl Franklin movie He's a horny Miami detective

[02:01:53] Deja Vu is the one that's quite convoluted Yeah, but I think those three movies Are like Denzel is still insanely handsome He is remaking Like Hollywood thrillers With kind of shabby or more broken Man in the lead roles And the thing was always like

[02:02:09] How does Denzel rough himself up enough So that he has big math-how energy And unstoppable Unstoppable, he's great Those late Tony Scott movies are fantastic Deja Vu is the only one I haven't seen Which from what I understand It's a treatise on film making And film montage

[02:02:27] Which I would love to see Because I felt like Man on Fire Was already approaching that In a pretty significant way Man on Fire feels like If Guy Madden got to do a big budget action film That's a really good take I don't know if that holds up

[02:02:43] Guy Madden make Captain Marvel 2 I don't know I don't know if I'd actually want to see it It's one of those double-edged Does he actually want to waste his time on that But also Man on Fire comes right after Domino And Domino everyone was like

[02:02:57] Too much Tony stop it Domino is too much And then he's like give me one more And then Man on Fire is a lot I love that It's almost as hot as death It's almost like It's like his Gemini Man Where he insisted on doing the same thing

[02:03:16] That everyone revolted against the last time Except Man on Fire was really successful And very well received It wasn't that well received but it was very successful In New York Times review I remember being a rapturous Some people have said it was really sorted

[02:03:28] People were really grossed out by it It's kind of an insanely gross movie It's a really long movie It's dark and it's heavy And it's grotesque The greatest line readings of Greasy Sartis Death and he's about to pay me his master piece

[02:03:42] No, for me the greatest line reading Is The guy says like I wish I wish That you had More time And he spaces it out like that That's even better than girl on you And that's fearless When he's got to bomb up a guy's butt

[02:04:04] Alright David thank you so much for coming in Please just come back every couple of weeks This is great I would love to I'll figure out a reason Just wipe your slate clean Your film will come out Undecided undisclosed 2020 This is February 14th My guest is

[02:04:24] By this point Everyone will have seen the trailer They'll have formed an opinion I'm amped to see it I notably get involved with my trailer It will accurately represent the movie And any excitement derived there from Will be justified It's a really weird movie We'll see I'm excited

[02:04:44] For people to see I think of the tale as so horny It's an adaptation of the tale of the Green Knight From a story of a legend So I kind of discovered a lot about myself in this movie

[02:04:54] And I thought it was going to be a pretty horny movie It's a very like My Catholic chasteness From having grown up Catholic came through So it is very horny in some regards But it doesn't go over the top

[02:05:08] I was kind of disappointed with myself for not pushing that boundary You've cast such a handsome leading man too It has a good looking guy I mean, fans of Dev Patel are going to be very happy I think Fantastic And I think that they will

[02:05:21] Be even bigger fans Of him after this film Any hornyness in the film probably Will come from his Performance He's got locks He's got facial hair He has a dream boat Was he using the moisturizer technique? In his hair Oh yes That article came out

[02:05:45] He put set of fill on his hair And that's the secret It fucking works If the movie had already opened I would tell you something else about that product Alright let's get off like We're done I hope the movie is I hope the trailer

[02:06:03] Is getting people excited to go see it And hopefully it's out by this point So we're plugging the trailer And film hopefully coming soon Maybe it's sold to Apple What? Actually we're going to sell this to Apple It's going to be streaming in 2021 We'll see

[02:06:21] Well thank you for being here David And thank you for being here David Thank you I'm David now Oh okay The three David's And thank you all for listening And please turn on our rate review and subscribe And thanks to Antro Guto for her social media

[02:06:39] And thank you to Lane Montgomery for her theme song And thank you to Pat Reynolds and Joe Bowen For her artwork And next week We got Manchurian Canada coming We teed that up pretty cleanly now So tune in For that And as always I think

[02:06:59] I think Sonic the Hedgehog Is going to honk Can't say I've had that pleasure Reggie Yeah perfect, okay ready? I'm going to point at you and it's time for the one Have you ever been in love in podcast? Can't say Jesus