The Wind Rises

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check Which would you choose? A world with podcasts or a world without?

[00:00:25] What do you mean? Humanity has always dreamt of flying but the dream is cursed. My aircraft are destined to become tools for slaughter and destruction. I know. But still, I choose a world with podcasts in it. Yeah! Which world will you choose? Yeah! World with podcasts in it!

[00:00:45] That's the question! Well yeah, I don't think our podcasts are going to be used for war. Yet! Yet! Maybe torture. Yet! Exactly. Like Zero Dark Thirty. Crank up the blank check. Might be used as evidence against me.

[00:00:59] It's been an hour and fifteen minutes they still haven't even started discussing the movie. Why are they chewing so much on Mike? They only had forty-five minutes with Lulu Wong and they spent their talking about Britney Spears! Yeah, yeah, keep going.

[00:01:17] Better be thinking twice about name and names! Uh, yeah, so our podcast is considered warfare and that podcast is Blank Check with Griffin and David. I'm Griffin. I'm David. It's podcasts about filmographies, directors of massive success early on in their career,

[00:01:32] giving us serious blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want. Sure. Sometimes those checks clear, sometimes they bounce, baby. And sometimes the filmmaker takes the second check and then founds an entire studio so that they can make whatever they want. Right.

[00:01:47] To totally follow their whims and then at the end of a career marked by kind of unparalleled artistic success and freedom. He takes a long look in the mirror and questions whether he ever should have done any of it. It's pretty good, right?

[00:02:04] I can't deal with this fucking movie. No? I can't do it with this guy! I can't. Who is Miyazaki? I thought I kind of had it figured out and I can't. Oh my god.

[00:02:17] Ben and I were talking about how we don't know how to talk about this fucking thing. Oh really? You guys are idiots. We're idiots! Idiots! I have a big mustache. You're calling us an idiot? Idiots! What am I going to say about the film? Hell yeah.

[00:02:33] It's called Howl's Moving Podcast. Hell yeah. And we're on our final episode for The Wind Rises, which was meant to be his final film. Right, we're doing a little bonus for the documentaries. You know, was it meant to be his final film?

[00:02:47] I just, I don't believe that shit anymore because you could say it about like so many of his movies. This one feels like a final movie. That's what I was going to say.

[00:02:55] And also when it came out, I feel like everyone responded like, I think he means it this time. And I think they responded that way because of the finality. Content of the movie. Right. And of course his advancing age.

[00:03:08] Right, and then they like briefly shut the studio down, right? Takahata had died. Takahata dies later. Okay. Yeah, the studio did get shut down. It was one of those sort of things where he was like, well I wasn't saying we were going to shut it down for good.

[00:03:23] But also seemed like there were money troubles. Yeah. I don't know. That may have also been business related, but he definitely, he retired. He retired. Yeah. But then he unretired again. He has a question to ask us. How do you live? How do you live? Right, it's like...

[00:03:38] And my answer after watching this movie is... I don't know. I don't know. Not comfortably. I think, have I said... Not with any piece of mind. Well, a level of nuance that just makes me want to fold into myself and die. That is... Thank you, Ben.

[00:03:54] You have perfectly verbalized my existential crisis watching this movie where I was like, I just don't know how to deal with anything. Everything is too complicated. You have revealed a level of nuance and forced me for three months to get introspective of things that I cannot solve internally.

[00:04:16] Also... Things that will wrestle inside me for the rest of my life. However many more minutes that last. Many! No, but it's like he's like... Art, creative suffering, work. Is it all worth it? And it seems like this new one he's doing, he's like, I'm retired.

[00:04:33] And then he's like, what about living? Is that worth it? Yeah. What about human existence? I could use that pick me up now. I'll say that. I wish that movie was coming out tomorrow. I think it's coming out next year. Yeah.

[00:04:46] If he's making a movie that's just like, boy, is it great to be alive? I don't know if it's going to have like a sort of singing in the rain style buoyancy. I'm hoping. I mean, didn't I read this quote to you?

[00:04:58] The Toshiro Suzuki, the producer said that he is working on how do you live as a way of saying to his grandson, grandpa is moving into the next world soon but he will be leaving this film behind because he loves you. Yeah.

[00:05:17] I mean, I think that should be the reason for like any Marvel movie. What if Kevin Feige just came out and he's like, we're making Thor 4 because I'm moving on into the next world soon. Yeah. I love you. The fans would be like, fuck you.

[00:05:33] Who's is Heimdall back? Yeah. I'll be moving on to the next world running for senator. That's the question. What does Feige do whenever he's done with Marvel? There was a point in time where everyone's belief was like he will finish his Marvel

[00:05:50] run and then try to take over Star Wars because he's apparently a big Star Wars fan and he would want to deal with that sandbox. But now I wonder if for him it's fucking worth it.

[00:06:00] The Marvel is, it run is so successful in a way that is unparalleled and Star Wars has been so fraught with ups and downs just by being some of the highest grossing films in history. Right.

[00:06:11] But that I think he'll just be like, I'm going to do this Marvel thing until I become president of the United States. I mean, right? He's probably all right. I just feel like he can't move on to any other thing in the entertainment industry.

[00:06:24] I'm not saying I want Feige to be president nor am I like particularly like excited at the idea of anyone being president really but certainly any like, you know, big shot rich person. But I mean, he'd probably fine. He'd be like, I don't know.

[00:06:38] You just sit there wouldn't bother me. Right. Just do like a PowerPoint every six months, right? Yeah. We're baseball caps. Yeah. He'd get a different baseball cap for every state. Right. I need to swap them out. I don't know.

[00:06:51] He'd talk some moderately exciting sort of young politicians into like being his cabinet members and then you'd be like, oh, they kind of lost their edge. But I mean, there's a lot of competency here. You know what I mean?

[00:07:03] Maybe America he'd be like Marvel competent, not too challenging. Right. America can be that again. Like that would be his best. And there'd be a bunch of people. You know, America right now it's like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[00:07:15] There'd be a bunch of people in his cabinet where you were like, oh my God, I thought she was going to be like the next great politician. Right. She's sort of gotten stuck in housing and it feels like they don't know what to do with her.

[00:07:25] But she's under contract. No major scrubs. Right. Yeah. But it's also like she doesn't have like a ton to do. All right. So Feige for president. Sure. I don't know. Nothing matters anymore. I mean Marvel's an American success story, I suppose. I never get that.

[00:07:45] What business men and women, mostly obviously men when they're like America should be running like a business and I run a good business. So won't I run it? Why should America be? Whoever said that? Business. When is America ever been run like a business?

[00:08:00] This is the this is I'm ready to tackle it. This is the very, the very fundamental issue with the American dream. America get ready to get roasted. Call Boston market because I'm roasting this turkey ass right now. Okay. Ben Franklin spinning in his grave on a spit roast.

[00:08:22] I'm roasting baby. I'm doing a roasting motion. This is the problem. I feel a majority of Americans interpret the American dream as I can become a billionaire. Aha, right. That becomes the greatest aspiration. No matter my circumstances, I could succeed to great wealth.

[00:08:41] America does not have aristocracy in the same sort of sense. We're finally getting to a level where now there are enough storied money families. But still, there was the idea that anyone could become a billionaire tomorrow. America land of opportunity. Right. So you could strike gold. Right.

[00:08:56] That's true. I heard about some gold. You guys want to go strike it? The Matthew McConaughey. I'd love to strike up a new print. I'd love to see that in 35. What you? The problem is as Steven Gagan intended, director Dr. Do Little. Yeah, that's true.

[00:09:12] Which will be coming out 2074. Yeah, right. You just got to get that squirrel back your way. I think people like the idea of America being run like a business because they're like, man, people work for businesses make a lot of money. Yeah, sure.

[00:09:25] Everyone votes against their, not everyone. Too many people vote against their best interests because they're like, well, I want to be protected once I make my million. Right. I'll make my million like two years from now and then I don't want to have to pay any taxes.

[00:09:38] Well, that's silly. American. If that's what people are doing. The bad, that's more like an American nightmare. You know what I'm saying? It's like it splashed some cold water on my face waking up. I'm getting a kind of a leaning on my hand. Tell me more sort of.

[00:09:56] Nightmare. Fucking hell. Why are we talking about this? Because this is what Miyazaki does. What does he do? What, discombobulates? Yes. To the point that you're wondering why Americans vote against their self-interest. Yes. I don't know what to do with this movie. Really? Yeah.

[00:10:15] So you watch this movie. It's called The Wind Rises. I did watch it. You hadn't seen it before. I haven't seen it. You've been ruminating on Miyazaki's career. Watching a lot of them in a pretty compressed time period. Yeah, and about a month.

[00:10:29] He's sort of done the Miyazaki's. Yes. Month and a half, something like that. Right. It's a movie about a guy, young man who has a dream. He wants to create. He wants to make something beautiful. On one hand, a very simple movie. He loves this one thing.

[00:10:46] He loves planes. He just wants to make the simplest, best plane in the world. The most sort of like, right, elegant, right? Right. Simplicity. Effective. Yeah. He wants that. And also then like, you know, real human life and love. Messily interferes. Is it always will, right? Sure.

[00:11:04] You know, and so he has to contend with that. And there's a balance one can't strike and all that. And then at the end, he's sort of like, was it all worth it? And the guy's like, I don't know, but it's beautiful.

[00:11:14] Well, but you're leaving out a big element. What's the big element? Which is the thing that he wants to make and make beautiful. Right. We'll kill everybody. Well, not everybody will destroy. Keep a good and junior, survive Pearl Harbor Pearl Harbor. And then God for that.

[00:11:29] Bend it doesn't make it. Ben doesn't make it. No, Ben makes it, but Josh doesn't. Is that the end of Pearl Harbor? Producer Ben doesn't make it. No, no. The Ben do sir doesn't make it. This Ben's okay. Producer Ben doesn't make it.

[00:11:39] The poor Laureate, the house, the tiebreaker, the paper, the commish, the booker. Oh. Birthday Benny. Yeah. So can we have Benny White have Benny? They're probably Benny. I make it. The fur detective? Did I say that one already? No. The fuck man is it?

[00:11:58] Is it not Professor Griswold? No. Is it Grigory? It's a different town. Where's the different man? I can't believe you're doing the name. Is it Caleb Ben? Huh? Producer Ben? Jesus Christ, you're stuck that already? Ben's got a trauma one. Ben say, Ailey Ben's with a dollar sign.

[00:12:15] War haws. Say Benny thing dot that dot. Ben and Tina Fennelmaker. Predor Bain. Mr. Ben Cradible. The Hosley day. The Benglish. The fucking RoboHaus. Yeah. Eat, drink Ben Hosley. Jerry sign Ben. No, no, no. Wait, no, wait, fuck. Who did we do right before this?

[00:12:45] Michael Mann, but you're forgetting Burton as well. Oh, Beetlevape Juice. He is now a Hossaka of the Jersey of the Ditch. Right, but you're also public Ben and me number one. He's public Ben and me number one. Did I get all the other people? I think so, yeah.

[00:13:01] I think you got them all. You got Nancy in there, yeah. This is the Hossaka. Yeah, yeah. Nice, I don't. So we did lose Ben. Affleck.

[00:13:09] He, I know it is a hard, it's not great that I don't remember which of the two boys dies at the end of Pearl Harbor. I think it's Hartman. I have never seen that movie. Wait, really? Well, I shouldn't be spoiling it for you then.

[00:13:19] One of them gets sort of, you know, tragically killed. Does America win? Well, I mean, that was one of the funny things about Pearl Harbor. Like obviously no, it was devastating, but then Michael Bay like tax on an hour long sequence where he's like,

[00:13:35] but then we did this thing and we kind of won when we did that. So yeah, America. That's one of the many weird things about Pearl Harbor. God, dude, Michael. He'll be on the bracket. He'll be on the bracket.

[00:13:48] That's the thing with this movie though is like, you know, all these like the Miyazaki sort of like mentality of like, you know, a life is about committing yourself to a thing and learning how to do it perfectly and giving it your all.

[00:14:04] Right, but that may also consume and destroy you. Right, it might consume and destroy you. And this one adds the element of also the thing you make might destroy others.

[00:14:13] Right, you will have no control over how it is interpreted and how it is used and the effect it has on others. I don't, I mean, obviously that is the message of the windrises.

[00:14:26] Yeah, but I'm not sure if that's what he was drawn to as much as the first thing because that would, you know, that was the sort of trouble he got in when everyone was like, wait, does this movie like pro him or pro war or anything like that?

[00:14:37] And he's like, no, I'm not pro war. I'm very anti-war. Yeah, I can't see how. And they were like, well, then why did you pick this guy? He's like, because he made these beautiful airplanes and you're like, well, okay, but let's keep talking about it.

[00:14:46] Then he's, you know, whatever he's walking off thinking about life. But all this stuff from Miyazaki goes like, you know, I hate what these things have become. I hate the industry. I hate your virtual reality zombie. I hate your, you know, like, right.

[00:15:02] He has this very complicated relationship with the art form he has committed himself to. Sure. He does not like what film and animation have become in culture. Right. And you sense that he has this uneasy relationship with the fact that,

[00:15:15] like, his characters are merchandise even though they make money off of it and all these sorts of things. He's not literally equating it with death. I was going to say there is a bit of a divide there.

[00:15:24] No, but I think like he looks at other things as a disgrace to humanity. Other works in his same realm, you know? Where he's like, I'm trying to just do this the best I can.

[00:15:34] There's the thing you said in one of the early episodes where we were talking about his relationship with his son. And after his son made his first film, his response was it was honestly made. It was honestly made.

[00:15:45] Which is one of the most cutting things I've ever heard. It was made honestly so it was good. Yes. I believe it was the message he wrote his son after seeing it. It's not like he walked up to his son and was like, it was pretty good.

[00:15:57] I mean, he made it very honestly. Yeah. He was like, yes. Candy Graham. Not even a hug. No. Oh, definitely not. Obviously we all have this impression of him as this impossibly stern man. Perhaps. I mean, he does have a jokier side.

[00:16:12] You see it in some of the documentaries. Yeah, of course. It's fucking funny as shit. It is funny as shit. Yeah. I don't know. I just, I think like even if that's not the thing that innately drew him to this story, right?

[00:16:30] There has to be some part of him that connects to that element. Yeah. Because he is too thoughtful a man to pick someone who's making this like blive. Yeah, I don't think he's making this like blive. Was then turned towards human death. Right.

[00:16:43] You know, it's not like he's like, look, I want to make a film about how I am a death merchant. But. No. He could have picked another artist. He could have picked someone in another field.

[00:16:52] Mike, he had, well, of course, he had, this is based on his own manga. Right. He, no, wait. It was a late manga serialized in a magazine. Right. It has not been collected a little bit, but it was like a watercolor sort of serialized

[00:17:05] five part story based on the biography of this man from the 50s. No, it's not based on that. It's not? No. It is based on a Japanese novel. Oh, interesting. About the sort of love story and this man who, a very famous Japanese novel. Right.

[00:17:22] This man who falls in love with a woman who has tuberculosis and like, right. It's that, it's that whole thing that, you know, that dynamic. That's the novel and the novel is called the wind is risen. Right.

[00:17:32] And then there is this real person who by all accounts had a perfectly normal family life. Interesting. And like kids and shit. But he is the actual man who designed this. He is this, you know, again, famous figure who designed the zero, which was a very important airplane.

[00:17:47] So he kind of combined the two. Not kind of. He combined the two. Fully combines the two. You're not supposed to watch the wind rises and be like, it's crazy. And I, who made that airplane also had a wife who had tuberculosis.

[00:17:59] I mean, you might think that, but that's, you know, a quick Google will disavow you of that notion. Sure. He's more just kind of like, no, here's this like romantic sort of tragic narrative that's sort of famous in Japan about like the struggle between, you know, work

[00:18:15] and love and creativity and loss. Right. Yeah. And then here's this guy who I feel like represents it as well. So I'm just pushing them together. What about people use the Pocahontas narrative? Sure. Where everyone's like, there's not really a love story there.

[00:18:33] I remember people were disappointed in the New World at the time when they were like, why are you doing this like very romanticized story of a person who was real but like almost everything about her life is sort of fictionalized.

[00:18:45] And the whole love story is mostly now thought to be conjecture based on the fact that she stopped her dad from killing him. Right. And then they put into it and they're like, there must have been boning, huh? Why else would someone spare another human's life?

[00:18:58] She looks like Colin Farrell, maybe. Well, that was Terrence Malick's big take. That was his take. And a good one if you ask me. But that's the thing that people are able to make Pocahontas narratives because it's an incredible like entry point to then like dig into

[00:19:11] the messiness of colonization while also having this love story to hang a hook on. It's the same thing as fucking Titanic. Right. And then he realized love story and used as an entry point into a great tragedy, which is crazy. Yeah. Toxic Avenger. Toxic Avenger.

[00:19:28] Take a real thing that happened the existence of New Jersey and pin a very romantic idealized narrative on top of it. What if a nerd was bullied so hard he fell into a fad of toxic waste and then had a blind girlfriend crush people's heads,

[00:19:49] ripped guys arms off. Yes. You've never seen it? No. I love it. And it's one of those movies I'm a little afraid to rewatch. Oh, you think it's been a while. I mean, I feel like. Troma is like that's like trauma. Yeah. But that's like the thing.

[00:20:03] It's like trauma is like designed to be problematic. Like, no, I know. I know that was right. It's pretty edge Lord. Right. But it's like it's like edge Lordy sort of John Waters equivalent kind of like what's the most fucked up shit we can put in a

[00:20:17] movie and even when I was young and love trauma, I was like, I get that the point is that this is in horrific taste and that no one is supposed to actually like believe any of this. Sure. There's no like ideology to it.

[00:20:31] And trauma, of course, also is responsible for a lot of like important independent film like getting Miyazaki distributed in the US for the first time. Right. But my memory of toxic adventures. I fucking love it. Sure. Okay. That's fine. That's cool. Maybe we put him on the back.

[00:20:49] Put the Avenger himself. Lloyd Kaufman, maybe with Toxic on the back. Ask him to clean up the bracket. He cleans up. Why are we talking about the Toxic Avenger? Because it was a joke about Toxic Avenger being like Titanic. It was really funny and everyone loved it.

[00:21:08] I've just been, look, I saw The Night in Gallery recently, okay? And I've already also just been in a funk. And Ben has been in a similar funk. And Ben and I have been having a lot of powwows about like

[00:21:24] what the fuck is this world we live in? What is this like work we're trying to do? I should split you guys up. Oh, you shouldn't! Literally today my girlfriend was like, what's going on? Are you upset? I'm like, I'm just sort of thinking about like

[00:21:38] what's the point of life? She's like, oh! I've been thinking about it a lot. Okay. Yeah, that's sort of what's on my mind. Cool, cool, cool, chill, chill, chill. Big feel, big feel, big mood. There's all of that stuff. You know, anytime things get rough,

[00:21:53] little Lord Davy Sims just walks out with his Clementine. But Ben and I are staring into the eye of Sauron. Stop looking there. It's not good. You know it's a bad eye. Look, he's got some good points. No, he doesn't. He doesn't. I don't like the racist stuff,

[00:22:12] but he's good for the economy. If you really break it down, Sauron's pretty good for the economy. Sauron is insanely bad for the economy. He's good for the economy? The gold rings! All these gold rings everywhere? It's like a dozen of them.

[00:22:25] I could have a gold ring someday. He said he was going to open up the factories again. He was like, he promised me they were going to open up the factories again. Anyway, the point is Ben and I have been sort of assessing this hellscape

[00:22:40] and checking with each other periodically while watching these very existential movies. We have confided in each other. We've had a hard time watching these films because they have made us feel too much at a time when we're already big gaping wounds. Overly sensitive.

[00:22:56] It's like going to a steam room or something. You know where you're like, eat me up baby. Where I'm like, A, it feels so impossible to get anything made well on your own terms. Then even more difficult to have it seen and then even when it gets seen,

[00:23:13] it feels so often that it's then misinterpreted or used for bad in some kind of way. That the sort of futility of like what are we trying to do here as like the industry is eating itself alive is making me feel shaky.

[00:23:30] And then these movies are just like, wow, here's a guy who just like was like, I'm going to just have a studio. I'm going to make my own films. We're never going to try to be like a billion dollar company. Like we're just going to truck along

[00:23:45] and stay the exact size where I know I can keep doing exactly what I want to do and never overreach. Which is a beautiful dream that has by all accounts kind of started to crumble only in the last four or five years. Sure, but he's essentially

[00:24:00] the entire life right, which is arguably incredible. I mean his not when he's young man. Yeah, yeah. But then I just I fall into all this stuff of just like what's the what's the goal? What do you mean? Are you asking me about the meaning of life?

[00:24:19] Yes, do you want to just stand? It's the Keanu thing. It's the people we love. That's a hundred percent the answer. I don't really know what to sell people when they ask me that it's so obviously true. It's the people you love and the things you

[00:24:32] experience and what you leave behind. It's not hard. I'm going to make him cry. I'm getting close. You know, I mean, but this is the thing I'm grappling with because we're here for each other. So here's the thing. I was really kind of like wrestling with this

[00:24:46] not wrestling like is this good or bad. But every time it happened I was like, oh fuck they knocked the air out of me again. I mean it's an undoubtedly incredibly well made move. Like it's certainly not a movie you're

[00:24:56] going to watch and be like feel like he is the use of what's the name of the Italian airplane engineer. Yeah, sorry. Giovanni Caproni. Okay. So Caproni in this film kind of functions like Gusto in Ratatouille. Yes, 100 percent. Where it's like here is a character

[00:25:18] who is a real person in the universe of this movie. Sure. Who the character idolizes our hero. Yes. He will never meet him probably, but he like has imaginary conversations with this man who then gives him the life advice where one can assume safely if you're not

[00:25:36] believing it's a magical thing that this is in fact his unconscious speaking to him through the guys of the man who would have. This is unconscious who's like you must create, you must create. What would this guy say to me if I met him?

[00:25:50] Of course it's what his brain can only imagine this guy would say to him. And every time he sort of throws these big fundamental philosophical questions down on the table like that shit about the pyramids that I butchered at the beginning of this episode. Sure, right, right, right.

[00:26:07] Where he's sort of going like but this war seems super fucked and these planes are going to be used to bomb people and he says this thing of like well the question is do you want to live in a world without pyramids or not? Right. You can't control.

[00:26:22] No, you can't. It's true, right? Right. It's a question people are asking all the time. It's like how do I participate in society in a pure manner? Impossible. And it's not really possible unless you want to just like live on an island and

[00:26:36] like you know catch a fish out of the ocean every day. Even think about science like medicine. Yeah. Like because you're creating something that will hopefully cure someone's illness. Yes. But then the pharmaceutical company is going to gouge those people by setting some insane price that

[00:26:52] only very wealthy people have access to. It's just it's maddening. It's the thing I love about us which is the other movie that totally fucked with my brain this year. Which is I... I'm ready to watch that again. I am very ready to watch that again.

[00:27:07] I got the 4K steelbook. It's really nice. That's why what's the matter of life to you? The meaning of life. Getting some good steel. It's like the people we love and the things you know the things we feel and also getting those steelbooks baby. Can I...

[00:27:21] I mean you want to know why I've been in such a tailspin recently? Why? Why? Right before the release of Toy Story 4 Disney Pixar re-released the first three Toy Story movies in 4K steelbooks with a very consistent art style. And now the steelbook that is

[00:27:35] incoming for Toy Story 4 has a radically different art style. What the fuck am I supposed to do with that? What do you think it should be? They just re-released them. It was a statement of intent and of course the fourth will be coming

[00:27:49] and it will match this art style. So listener Griffin's skin has turned purple and a lot of bats have suddenly flown into the studio and are circling him. Toy Story 1, 2, 3, hand drawn, charming, illustrated art style, representations of the films. Toy Story 4, some bad fucking

[00:28:07] posed stills of the characters like the stuff they used for the teaser posters. Alright now I'm going to have to look this up to see what's getting your goat so much. I'll go Toy Story steelbooks and then we'll talk about that for 40 minutes. The thing...

[00:28:22] Wait, why were we... This is kind of lame. Right? It's just the posters, right? The ones which I don't like them they're in front of the seat back there. But then look up what the first three looked like. And to add insult to injury?

[00:28:36] I mean look, you're a maniac but I cannot deny that it's a drop-off in quality here. Those three are charming and they're other piece. You're showing me and yet I have nothing in here. Okay. I'm pointing at my head.

[00:28:51] Well let me pour even more gasoline on the fire. And then it's just the toxic avengers just walking around like... Let me pour even more gasoline on the fire. He has Ralph a high five. Okay, your head is just toxic avenger and Ralph. Ralph from The Simpsons?

[00:29:08] No, Wreck-It! Oh Wreck-It, sorry. Ben's too best for this. I know all my first eight pieces. Yes. First, they announced those three toy story steel books. Consistent art style. Then they announced the toy story of four steel book. Different art style. Then they announced that they're re-releasing

[00:29:23] seven of the other Pixar movies in 4K steel book with the art style matching the first three toys! Well that's better. So the only thing that stands out is the four... So maybe you wait. Maybe you wait. That's exactly what I'm doing but it drives me crazy.

[00:29:38] I mean it's tough. You got a tough life. It's really... Hit podcast. Life in New York with a beautiful woman who loves you. Please, a protocol drink. Sorry. Female protocol drink. Yes. You know, toy story steel books, you know... It's a nightmare. It's a nightmare.

[00:29:58] We can't catch a break. I know our listeners are just... They just had to sit down and start crying hearing you talk about that. They're overwhelmed with emotion for you. They are. I will say today someone posted on our Reddit like, does Gryffindor have like celiac disease?

[00:30:12] It's like trying to like hack your diet. Yeah. That's how much they care about you. Guess what, have fun. Every doctor has been trying to crack this for 30 years now and no one's gotten close. You know what it is? It's anxiety, mother fuckers. I try to be better.

[00:30:26] That would be my diagnosis. I will test out different diets. Nothing seems to make it better or worse. The only thing seems to make it better or worse is my state of mind. Anyway, I've been pooping a lot lately. The thing I want to say was, us,

[00:30:43] the thing that hits me so hard with that movie is, you know, what I believe the takeaway from that film is, we have to sort of in some way reckon with and accept the fact... Get around for it. We have to reckon around. And accept that.

[00:30:59] We live in a society where in order for one to succeed, someone else must always suffer on any scale. It doesn't even have to be one-to-one, although I like that metaphor in us. But right, that like there's so much going on in the world

[00:31:13] that you have to not think about, have decided not to think about, you know, and it's there. And if you just went down a fucking escalator, you'd even see it. Right. But we just wouldn't think to go down the escalator. It's not one-to-one with a tether.

[00:31:28] We've learned to not go down the escalator. When you're a kid, you might go down. Right. Because you're still kind of like thinking about the world, right? Like in like a sort of an innocent... And then you work hard enough to get a nice country house

[00:31:39] where you can stay with your family and not think about the other shit. Right, and then they show up. And now that's the problem. That's a great movie. We all train ourselves to become oblivious. It's a great movie. And then everyone walked out of it being like...

[00:31:49] As a mode of self-preservation. But like, where'd they get the scissors? Yeah. Who's doing laundry? Yeah. I love it. I think it's a great movie. It's a fantastic movie. I agree. It's a plaster piece. It's a plaster piece. Yeah. It is. So the fact that...

[00:32:08] Give me the name of the Italian guy again. Oh, I'm sorry. Giovanni Caproni. In Windrises that his subconscious speaking to him through the vessel of his idol keeps on trying to like David say like, what can you do? You just got to build these beautiful things. Sure.

[00:32:26] And at the end of the movie, that final scene which broke me. Great scene. And it's sort of they're watching this like ascension of planes into the sky. Yes. And you see sort of reminisce in a pork eroso when you see the planes sort of going into heaven.

[00:32:39] And you see like the fucking like bombed out remains. The fact that anyone thought this movie was pro war when it ends so explicitly. I don't know if they thought it was pro war. Who knows? It certainly... There were some, I would say,

[00:32:51] bad faith attacks on this movie and then some people more expressing their opinions and whatever. It's like A, the fucking... I mean he's... The Japanese, the more like this sort of more military, pro-military Japanese politician certainly think of him as not an ally.

[00:33:07] They think of Miyazaki as like unpatriotic, you know, like, just a pacifist and like, you know, there's certain politics in Japan are like we should become more militaristic again. We should rewrite our constitution to have a military again. Things like that.

[00:33:20] And then it's weird that some American critics saw this movie and were like... What's he doing? Pringleist? Right. Anyway. Yes. They're watching the planes. They're seeing the destruction. And the guy's like, good job. You had your 10 years. We all only get 10 years when we're actually doing good work,

[00:33:37] which is another weird thing because Miyazaki keeps on trying to walk away. Like he keeps trying to pull the Tarantino. Right. Where he's like, I'm putting a limit on him. I'm walking away while I'm still good. You probably will have to have a Tarantino. Right. Yeah.

[00:33:49] I'm walking away and that he's like, so, 10 years? What do you think? How do you feel about it? And he's like, I don't know, I made this thing. It was really good, but like the planes didn't come home.

[00:33:58] Like they killed people and all the people flying them died. And none of them made it back. And he goes, well, they had nothing to come home to. Like there was no home left. Yeah. Which is like, wait, so, wait,

[00:34:10] the end result is he made a beautiful plane that was used to kill people. Then the people piling them got killed. Right. And it was all sort of for naught because the entire civilization was destroyed and had to rebuild itself and the way it was horrible.

[00:34:25] Miyazaki's takeaway is like, yes, but we must live. Right? Like that's sort of like, because the wife appears and she's like, you have to live. And he's like, okay, okay. I think it's not beautiful because it lasts. Right. Right. It's beautiful because it happened.

[00:34:38] Anyway, this is a animated film that made like hundreds of billions of dollars in Japan. I mean, that's the craziest thing. I know. You see this and you're like, okay, well, this was more niche, right? And it's like, yeah, you know,

[00:34:48] okay compared to Spirit of the Way, yes. It made less money. Only the 15th highest gross in the world. Right. It was still performed like a huge blockbuster in Japan. I gotta say, that's like, it feels like all the other cultures are more cultured than we are.

[00:35:02] You don't think America is number one? Get a foam finger for me right now. Even just the fact that all these... Okay. David's got a big foam finger on. I'm writing down foam finger for David. It says Colin Farrell on it. Hell yeah.

[00:35:21] The fact that all these Ghibli releases are doing so well in China is just like, why are the American studios all about? Like we have to dumb everything down so that it's universal, so that plays everywhere in every other country.

[00:35:34] And then you look at the box office in other countries and foreign independent dramas do crazy well. No, I think, yeah, America is just a gimmick that's sort of already gone sour. People are like, yeah, we got, all right, so we've seen the American movies now.

[00:35:48] They were illegal for a while or hard to find. So like, seeing them was kind of crazy and they were so expensive, but we forget how to do that. So yeah, I mean, whatever. Right now they're just like good stories. Everyone's like, wait, fuck stories, stories, stories.

[00:36:01] What was the... We fired all those guys. Stories. Someone remind me quickly. Tip of my tongue, stories are the effects? What are them? Is that what we call the explosions? Yeah. The wind rises. I mean, it's a Miyazaki movie. It's complicated.

[00:36:17] I feel like his movies are rarely like, you walk away with like a... That's the one thing he's trying to tell me. Well, all right. If this was an American movie, that's what the Italian guy would be like, ah, Chef Boyardi. Right. Right.

[00:36:33] It does frustrate me though that where you were talking about people like in sort of bad faith, misinterpreting this movie. It's just this thing that just like I feel like especially in the American discourse, people get upset if things are not super didactic

[00:36:52] in terms of the filmmaker being like, I don't approve of this. I think this is bad. That like if a main character does something shitty... Right. Or is... I mean this is a problem in the way we talk about movies. Right. And things. Right.

[00:37:10] Or even in the case of this film, a main character makes something which is then used by other people to do horrible things. Right. That's like, so wait, he's saying that the death was great? Miyazaki is like super into bombing. This guy wants wind to rise?

[00:37:23] That's fucking insane. Then did you like this movie? I don't know. Okay. That's cool. It fucked me up too. Fuck me up. It's unbearable. It's really unbearable. I had to watch it in a few... Like I had to stop. I had to stop. I took some breaks.

[00:37:41] Yeah, take a break. You shouldn't take breaks. You should watch it twice. I mean, just a quick like... A cool down on the old elliptical. Something that did stick out to me is I don't think I've ever seen an animated movie that was...

[00:38:01] That made me think this much. That wasn't just like action driven. Sure. Like this was like... This could be a live action movie. Yeah, it's basically a period drama. Right. You know, it has like a couple set pieces.

[00:38:17] Ben, you've never seen an animated film that made you think this much? Need I remind you the question, what if the world but cars? You can remind me of that. Or what if cars but spies? Yeah, I hear you. Cars but spies? Cars too. Oh. A huge question.

[00:38:35] It asked the audience. No, it didn't make me think. What if cars but spies? What is what's three? What if cars two makes cars three look like cars one? Cut it all. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Did you watch the subs of the dub? I watched the subs.

[00:38:54] I would agree that that is the experience that you should go for, especially in a movie like this. It's actually set in Japan. Yada yada yada. You don't think you should watch the version of the film which Joseph Gordon Levitt is designing the planes?

[00:39:04] I've seen this movie I think a few times. So this is the first. I decided to watch it with the dub because I had never even thought to watch it with the one to watch live in a world with.

[00:39:13] So Joseph Gordon Levitt is fine as you know my wife has to burkulosis but I what I was not aware I did not really check in on who is in it, but I knew I had like a you know these

[00:39:26] days they have very exceptional like American cast because there's a crazy one in there for her to hurt. So yeah and he's so good really. Yeah, I mean he's cast or he's the German guy. It's the one thing that tempted me to watch the dub.

[00:39:41] I mean he should do this more often. I mean obviously I watched the dub as well and he's so good at it. I mean Werner Herzog has a good voice is not breaking news at all. Obviously people love to hear him go like you know talk

[00:39:54] about bears and caves and you know roads right nature. Right I think his one scene is the still the high point of all of Rick and Morty is a great scene like it to anything in his voice is funny and profound at the same time.

[00:40:10] This is more profound. Yes. Oh God. Well he's so good because he has that's white a choice. It's an interesting choice. But he has that slightly sinister edge to his diction. Yes, but also he's playing a character who is we know a

[00:40:25] good guy but has still has sort of this like kind of unsettling vibe to him. He is sort of haunted and reveal at the same time which is an uneasy combination. And he's like sort of like it's good that they're getting married. Yeah.

[00:40:41] And all that but you're kind of like yeah but he almost seems like this specter of like tragedy. Yes. Over the whole thing right. Right. And of course he's also just like a specter of like the war to come. He's like the ghost of World War future.

[00:40:54] Hunt that's what he's like that's what he's like. It's like Nazis are coming. Yeah. We could use that guy now. Yeah. Yeah. That was the other thing I mean that just flipped me out too. It's just like man it's hard watching World War two shit now. Yeah.

[00:41:14] Like it's interesting to have new vantage points on history. And this was a new vantage point for me because yeah Japan and Germany were working together. They were on the same side like I you know it's like I forget that they were collaborating even

[00:41:28] like in the essentially from this movie like that they were sharing technology. Like the League of Nations and Hitler rises to power. So like you know most of the 30s. Yeah. Yeah. And the 2010s. The 2010s. Yeah. Saying it feels a little bit like history is repeating.

[00:41:46] What you think Japan and Germany are the enemies. Hitler rising to power. No I think America unfortunately is the enemy now. 2020. But I mean you could make this movie about the you know the scientists who worked at the Manhattan Project. Sure.

[00:42:02] Like you could make this movie about like all kinds of sort of. Right. Architects of death who thought of themselves as like scientists and creators and things like right I mean it's it is a. You could make this about signing the declaration of independence. This is our most.

[00:42:18] In a mass destruction. Hey chopper go on blank check. More like it. Challenge. Challenge. I'm a moron I don't know anything. I just say. I think the the distinction though. No no there of course there's distinctions I'm just saying like you know obviously Japan's not

[00:42:39] the only country that. Yes. Did bad things. No good very bad don't do it. Right the distinction is that a lot of you know decent scientists worked on the Manhattan Project and what have you you know there are many other

[00:42:53] examples but a bomb can only ever be used as a bomb. That is true and a plane is not explicitly a weapon of war. Right which is why this is such a fascinating story right he's in love with the plane and

[00:43:05] he has the ill fortune of being born at a time where the only planes they need are to kill people who's going to give them money the military right and like if you work in aviation even now probably like it would be

[00:43:15] difficult to not to avoid things like military contract. 30 years later maybe he's just working for TWA you know what I'm saying sure working for Pan Am right hanging out with Christina Ricci and my girl three out of five ain't bad.

[00:43:34] He is like the kind of director where like we're having this conversation and I'm thinking like okay pillows pillows are great if you make pillows what can you do wrong that can happen well you could fucking smother someone with a pillow on its

[00:43:47] attendant at a retirement home so it's like why bother making pillows why bother making pillows someone will murder someone with pillows what you guys are describing as an existential crisis yeah I have called it as much many times on this episode I'm not hiding behind any smoke screen

[00:44:04] I'm not saying you're hiding radical transparency here Ben and I are going through existential crises together and separately for the listener also context Griffin is wearing a shirt that says I feel everything just wanted to mention that at this point in the episode I'm feeling sensitive

[00:44:29] I don't know what do you think is gonna be good I'm worried about that one let me tell you well that I'm talking about the culture well that have come out by this point Wow we can't we're gonna be living in a post I know how twisted world

[00:44:43] maybe he'll untwist it could be so fucking sick that is the most twisted thing the Joker could do is make something not twisted straighten them out alright so the plot of the wind rises it begins with you are you are I don't know what to do

[00:45:04] what do we do okay cool boy that opening sequence though mmm where he's a kid yes and he's trying to you know imagine as being a pilot night mercy and then his eyes turn to like fish so cool and he's like puts the glass but it's

[00:45:25] too late like yeah and he's I mean that's Miyazaki I think also reminding you like just because this is a more grounded story doesn't mean I can't use this medium like to every advantage more grounded outside dream sequences this is the only film of his that does

[00:45:40] not take place in a fantastical world yeah I know I want to double check like I'm saying even Kaglio is probably not as explicitly magical but it is this is real place and Ben was trying to book a plane there remember

[00:45:53] I mean Ponyo kind of takes place in our world it's just that there's magic magical shit no I know I know I know I know this is the only movie of his that does not have magic in it and Kakli Ostrow you can like try split the

[00:46:06] hair but I'd say like right come on that's fake place right underwater city right this is the way that's in the real world other than these dream sequences which are incredibly expressionistic so it is somewhat bizarre to watch a movie in which the majority of the scenes are

[00:46:22] to watch Miyazaki film which the majority of the scenes are people sitting in real places knowing that the fire is not going to come to life yeah you know or a spirit is not going to like knock on their door any of that

[00:46:35] right and beyond that like a lot of the scenes are just people chatting yes the office right him and his wife at home like right right I love the the way that she paints like the look of her medium yes it's like I mean I was

[00:46:57] blown away yeah have you seen what the the manga look like no have you yeah it's really pretty and it's kind of scratchy it's pretty it's watercolor and it's scratchy oh it is pretty yeah I actually have seen this yeah

[00:47:13] I kind of wish he could have figured out how to make a whole movie look like that because kaguya comes out a year or two after this no I thought it came out before no maybe a year after this is 13 yeah I think you just 14 yeah princess

[00:47:29] is 2014 yeah what what a I love that but that movie was incredibly incredibly expensive in labor oh I know yeah that's why there's a reason people don't make a whole movie look like that it's because it's tough but when I saw it

[00:47:46] and I was like wait every single scene looks like this isn't just like a dream sequence the whole movies like watercolor paintings that movie I mean I find they win rises to be unbearably devastating I find the princess could be like that X 10 like where

[00:48:02] like I'm almost afraid to think about that movie yeah ah yeah yeah and that's a fable that's you know that's not real at all right right that's incredible that move that is a true blank box it slaps it's a bomb mm-hmm as the kids

[00:48:19] would say so you have this dream sequence and he wakes up and he's very haunted by the fact that he believes he is too near cited to ever successfully fly pipe right which is a dream he's talking to Caproni from very early on right having those dream sequences

[00:48:32] right where he's like I've never flown a plane like I don't care that's for basic bitches right exactly you gotta be making the plane let other dummies fly it and it is kind of fun how little this movie is about the like the process of flying a

[00:48:46] plane sure you know there's a couple sequences where you see them being flown and like speed testing a lot but like they're rarely sitting down and being like this is what the pilot needs so they don't think about that too much but if I can you know get

[00:48:59] a little like for a second there is this analog it's just about the worst way to set something up ever I can get a little about this there is an analog here to like I will make this thing that hopefully transports people to another place sure

[00:49:19] and I just sit back and hope that it works for them right you know like the other more I kept on thinking about watching this is the mule in a film that I think is also similarly revealing great a director trying to find a movie

[00:49:34] about the way that they make films like how they view their career and their life he's like I just plant flowers right six a day and some of them are good and some of them are bad that's the mule but right it's that and then

[00:49:45] they're like but what about your family and he's like I'm guilty you know like Miyazaki's like it's this movie is like but what about the people in your life and he's like I try what I do yeah I tried my best but like I

[00:49:59] lose people and I be where it's like Eastwood's verdict on himself is like well I'm just a simple guy like your wife and kids I know take me to jail I'll plant my flowers there book me Daniel and like he sees Bradley Cooper

[00:50:15] he's like you gotta remember their birthdays and shit he was like I know and he's like yeah well that's my advice to you I'll see you later and that's the end of the movie is him being like remember that shit I said about

[00:50:26] the birthdays yeah now reprocessed after the prism of knowing that I was the guy that you were hunting down little more ominous now huh no the birthdays what a wild movie I gotta buy that on 4k steel book where's the steel book of that

[00:50:41] there isn't this for kids no steel book do you have the sully 4k yes wow see those birds 4,000 lines of resolution I mean if I if I have one one note for the sully 4k I wish they don't go for fuck's sake

[00:51:02] that's what I gotta say to that but this thing of like you know especially being an animator it is this weird like solitary life where you're like like ruthlessly devoted to this craft is equal parts like mathematical and artistic right like there is such a

[00:51:21] technical aspect animation that makes it different from a lot of other art forms sure because it is this like impossible illusion like this thing that shouldn't work right that you need to keep in your head at all times in order to keep that illusion up in

[00:51:38] the air while also having this sort of like creative lens to be able to like realize things that people could only imagine but you just like sit in a room obsessively drawing over and over and over and over and over again or whatever form of animation you're doing

[00:51:53] and it's still just constant meticulous solitary obsessive is that shot of manipulation like the wind like was blowing all the pages away right and then you're just like I hope this makes people feel good right you know you just kind of like put it out into

[00:52:09] the world and you're like well I hope that was all worth it I hope I didn't waste five years of my life making ugly dolls well well how ugly are they really not enough fundamental flaw early in the movie he's on a train well this is the

[00:52:26] point now he realizes I'm gonna come in my life to make it in the planes he's gonna go to university Tokyo Imperial University is gonna study aeronautical engineering and he meets a no-co Satomi and there's the earthquake she catches his hat it's

[00:52:42] like anytime they meet it's like the earth is you know active right like the wind is blowing and the earth is shaking or things like that she also catches I'm saying they're right captures yeah I did in your earthquake sequence is incredible insane I the way

[00:52:58] he animates that is just I never thought that you could do that I didn't either and I thought he was getting magical for a second I was this another dream sequence is this like an expressionistic thing and it's like oh

[00:53:09] no it is it's that the earth is quaking right this thing that is insane like rippling mountains right yeah yeah I mean I think if you're Japanese you might have that like that's such a notorious event you know the earthquakes do sort of

[00:53:24] get forgotten it's like you know what I mean yeah cuz it keep happening they right I would also like yeah you know the canto 1923 earthquake I mean it killed 140,000 people which is crazy here goes to school yeah he meets his friend cure in the dub voice

[00:53:42] by John Krasinski somewhat unsettling way that's weird but you forgot to mention he has right there's the heroism in the wake of the earth does and it's her maid breaks her leg right right and he without even sharing his name and we should have shared his

[00:53:59] name selflessly carries her back helps a stranger out but he's not even going to see these people again no it's it's just a year no it's a basic human empathy it's a man realizing he's in a position to help others right and a moment great tragedy and disorientation

[00:54:16] right anyway then he meets drunkers and yeah he meets drunkers and it's kind of confusing me there's no like to to the camera stuff happening you think they should do they should do like a sort of Ferris Bueller style like no thing about

[00:54:32] making airplanes I feel like he should just sort of like spin around in his roller chair and just sort of like look at the camera with sort of like in a skance sort of like rice mile huh Ben's pointing at me that's what I was

[00:54:45] guys were really burnt out I guess I was like wild shit oh I just got you doing off yeah I don't remember that show apparently you're the only one think it is weird America's number one where everyone's like I watched the rewatch office all the time and I'm

[00:55:01] coming I'm like you did I got it like the first time and I was in the right bad is the new one yeah where I feel like every I see people on the train watching that all the time steam like I didn't even

[00:55:13] hate it but like both parks and work in the office is so like isn't like the back half of those shows sort of inarguably a little worse than the front half well yeah I mean I feel like the office has two and a half inarguably bad seasons right

[00:55:29] right yes at the end yeah not to mention that there's some ups and downs before that out of nine eight or nine and the fact that people are like yes once a year I watch all 189 episodes of the odd it's a lot it's a more than

[00:55:43] that even I think it's eight it's nine seasons yeah 189 episodes I think you nailed how many episodes no 201 I was pretty close 201 episodes though it's a lot of episodes 201 episodes I sure I enjoyed when it was on stopped about four months after

[00:56:02] Corel left me too and have never felt any when I was like oh the writing's on the wall and I like gave it for you episodes and I was like yeah I think we're gonna I thought the three feral's after Corel were

[00:56:13] good well right after that I was like what the fuck are they doing right yeah well Crescent season this he plays Kiro they work at Mitsubishi they design they're designing a plane there's that scene where the plane like breaks apart and taking a picture of me

[00:56:32] should I pose my shirt is that but yeah okay David keep talking Ben I'm just doing a little modeling shoot for Ben I'm very strong and so because they don't really know what they're doing like the sort of technologically behind they're sent to Germany and this is

[00:56:54] yeah I mean this is another sequence where you're like yeah you really think this guy is pro yeah Japan in the 30s yeah cuz like all this stuff were there in Germany and they're just there like they're like we are airplane nerds yeah we hear you guys

[00:57:07] our next level on the airplanes got transferred to like the headquarters right yeah we're moving up the job ranks we're working on better airplanes now and they see the the Yunkers 38 which I think is another like I mean this is me as

[00:57:22] hockey is so deep on this shit I don't know anything about early aviation no but I think like that's sort of a famous like they were only like two ever built oh and but it was a crazy plane is a pronounced young girls I believe so cuz it's

[00:57:34] spelled junkers which is really fine sure yeah you know how German be yeah and like but then as but as they're doing this they're seeing like the secret police are going around and you know the Gestapo are beating people up and they're you know a little bit of

[00:57:52] anti-semitism a little bit of that you know it's like Germany is this sort of like sort of kind of frightening shadowy place and like you know they don't want to walk into the plane in the military is like you can't do that and they have to like

[00:58:04] negotiate all that like but this movie's paror war but like I do think like when you're watching this movie and especially if you're someone obviously we are young people you relatively feel right I'm an old soul but you know if you're someone who maybe has more of

[00:58:20] a closer connection to the second world war and maybe more of a lingering resentment that's just kind of you know possible to dismiss about like I don't want to see anything even vaguely sympathetic about anyone who was a hundred that right 100% that even though

[00:58:33] he was right obviously not in the military like you see a scene like that you're like right why didn't they at that point be like you know what fuck Germany this place is clearly which is I feel like the frustration people feels about so many

[00:58:47] of those kinds of stories yeah like why things that are happening today what what do you mean everything's great today right Trump oh he's yelling at the Danish Prime Minister because selling Greenland Democrats Jews are anti-Semitic if they vote for a Democrat right and he was chosen by

[00:59:02] God new rule he's the king of Israel um yeah anyway so I'm seeing here that a new rule would let the US hold migrant families indefinitely so when I'm talking about 30s I'm saying why didn't anyone it's weird they should have gone like some bad stuff is

[00:59:17] happening let's stop it right now before it goes any further and I do think that is much of what he's trying to dig into in this movie yes right it's like you it's tough not to think you know you're gonna think personally obviously

[00:59:31] because you're a person it's tough to think outside yourself you can try and people do but like you are maybe eventually going to run into that thing of like well I'm just trying to do what I am trying to do my

[00:59:41] god very my dying girlfriend right I get caught up in all this other stuff I want to turn a fucking herringbone into a wing and isn't that beautiful loves the curve and at the end his creative self his Italian avatar is like

[00:59:57] it was beautiful but I'm pretty sure Miyazaki is like look you know there's a lot to take in here like I don't think Miyazaki is the Italian new but he's got that Italian guy in his shoulder too yes whoever that is for

[01:00:12] him right right we all an animated movie by a guy who mostly makes films for children it's a tune do you think if Hoskins and Roger Rabbit Eddie Valia yeah if he saw like Jiro from this movie like it's a tone damn

[01:00:31] tones damn tone living on to my brother they live in that art film land over there where everything is subtle and moving it's so much more convoluted it's that that damn tone over there designed a plane which then the allied government military used to bomb my

[01:00:49] uncle in law I just like the idea that like toon town might have like a sort of Ghibli zone yes rather than everything being like wacky everything is like you know deeply profound and resonant Eddie Valley he goes to resonance I'm thinking about humanity

[01:01:08] and our relationship with nature I drink for a reason I don't want to feel this much tone okay okay um so Verna Herzog does a good job I watched it subtitled but I'm sure right so after the German sequence I feel he

[01:01:26] sees Caproni again and Caproni is like planes are beautiful well humans may not be but planes are beautiful yeah and the things that humans do with planes might not be beautiful but that doesn't diminish the beauty of the plane you want to live in a world without

[01:01:41] what do we think of Karukawa who is Jiro's boss hmm it's pretty great character my opinion voiced by Martin Schoen the dub interesting remind me a lot of the boss whose name I'm embarrassingly forgetting from the incredible because he's short short it's got a similar kind of stocky

[01:02:01] that's a wall of Sean that's a Sean that's a Sean classic Sean but I like that he is sort of like business like yeah and a little mean and obviously like not very like forthcoming with the compliments but like at his heart you know

[01:02:18] a fairly moral person yes and you know when when things start to get rough and the secret police start to rear their head in Japan he's like it's he's he does good things but in the same like kind of like get in here they'll

[01:02:31] arrest you I guess I don't care sit there now well even when the marriage comes up that he's like you got to convince me that this isn't about your ego right because if you're doing a few you go you're really gonna hurt

[01:02:41] this girl right and that's a pretty incredible that's pretty incredible soon also his hair is funny and it bounces when he walks it's really but you know he gets hired for the Imperial Navy he's trying to build a plane again doesn't work it fails

[01:02:56] in testing it's rejected so he goes to this resort to chill out and who's there standing on the balcony suffering from tuberculosis our core good old no co yeah that whole thing's great the hat and it's like they've been waiting waiting to see each other

[01:03:14] paper airplane yes I love that whole end of her dog and like I love all of that yeah it's very romantic like you yeah it's romantic you seem defeated by life but go yeah go on no it's romantic but also like he even though

[01:03:30] he's there to escape he can't escape from one like the specter of the coming war yeah but also like feeling you know right like you know he's falling for this person who's going to affect his life negatively in a lot of ways because like he's gonna have to

[01:03:47] worry about her and it's gonna impact his work and she's gonna be sick and like they're all these bad things but like you know love man you gotta love conquerors all does right mm-hmm so the chowsky say to mm-hmm did you see that thing was Lily

[01:04:05] one of them was like it's just love conquerors all that's what our movies are about yeah they roll they do rule I just can't I have so many questions about their split right and Lana doing matrix solo at the time we're recording this

[01:04:21] that announcement was yesterday yeah and you have heard us react to it in real time that's true the episode where David gets broken yeah during how is moving castle but I just I like last night I just couldn't stop stewing on all the different possible scenarios

[01:04:37] well I feel you mean just unlike how it's gonna go like what the story is no literally just the state of their relationship and how it ended up with one of them agreeing to do the movie and not the other they may talk about

[01:04:47] it someday but it does seem like this sort of split that was presented as temporary yeah since age season 2 right has become permanent like yeah sort of like either for personal reasons or professional it just felt like for a while the split was sold as like oh like

[01:05:05] Lily kind of wants to keep working and Lana sort of done right and then that has proven to very much not be the case um well you're flopping the name but that's okay I'm not the belief for a little while was Lana was like done

[01:05:21] really yeah and it was like right it was like oh Lily's the one who did season 2 sensei yes right and Lily didn't because it was like sort of right after transition like sort of right but then the stuff I had heard was

[01:05:36] after sensei one of the reasons they sold the company was Lana was like I feel like I've said everything I have to say and Lily then goes on to like produce the sitcom and the idea was like well she's still gonna like

[01:05:46] find ways to like you know work on things but maybe their big past passionate personal was just a thing of like Warner Brothers being like the matrix like what do you think and if you don't do it someone else sure and Lily was definitively like I don't like

[01:06:02] too much or I'm not interested in going back there where and Lana was like well I cooked up this idea with novelist David Mitchell so crazy and here's a script and Warner Brothers apparently loved the script so like maybe that's not so they that's not just oh we've

[01:06:18] hired these people to write it there's a script that's crazy I didn't realize that yeah which is great there was that statement by Lily at the TCA's where she's like I'm very excited for other people to have a chance to do the matrix

[01:06:32] doesn't belong to me I hope they make an even better movie that's why it's weird though that she was saying that was she just being coy I don't have no idea or was she in dark couldn't tell you Joe don't know the wind rises it's

[01:06:47] rising it's rising idea do you like the cast-storps scene and the whole sort of like romantic interlude cast-storps are striking looking he is such a different sort of style of character he's got like gray eyes yes very prominent very and Herzog again very

[01:07:03] strange but he's sort of in certain ways like more caricatured he sort of has more exaggerated features than anyone else he's got kind of a simple face to like not a lot of lines to a big nose right but his eyes are

[01:07:19] crazy nose is huge he's based on the German novel the magic mountain by Thomas Mann which is a crew his name comes from that okay which is apparently a sort of crucial influence on this film which is a movie I think that

[01:07:38] he wrote when he was his wife was at a sanatorium it all comes back to this you know yeah I don't know much about Miyazaki's personally I know he has kids obviously right I don't know much about it like I don't know if he went

[01:07:52] through anything like that I mean he doesn't really talk about it as far as I as far as I know yeah you know he married another animator they have two kids or maybe just you know two kids and he has a tough relationship

[01:08:05] with his son who like right tried to follow him yeah but that's all I know so I don't know why he's so drawn to this story this classic Japanese novel of the your wife's in a relationship with him and she's dying of

[01:08:19] tuberculosis and all but he clearly is yeah and that sort of push and pull between like work and love right and is it better to make the most of the time you have you're right right exactly right better to have loved and lost than ever loved

[01:08:34] at all right that sort of thing right but um like that whole dynamic is so interesting of her being like I very much want to marry you just quick note I have a hardcore tuberculosis and I won't marry you until

[01:08:47] I am better right and then she gets so much worse that he's like cool I'm going to override your request right we're gonna marry the shit out of you now but we know it's doomed that shot is so upsetting when he gets

[01:09:02] the telegram in the blood and then it cuts to her over her painting with blood dripping out of her mouth through her fingers onto the painting yeah it like looks like someone from on a note okay like it doesn't look you know I know it's such an

[01:09:19] unreal amount of blood gushing sure in a constant stream and it just looks like it's pouring out of her face because her hands are so fully over her face it's not just like oh it's coming up her mouth it's like her whole head is bleeding yeah

[01:09:33] yes hux you got his sister who's kind of a great character actually I like that she has her own arc like outside of the movie but when she shows back up like now she's a doctor like it's like an independent person and

[01:09:47] she's like I got the read on this it's bad right she's like he's she's not gonna make it yeah and he he's in denial like that I think that's that's that's the sort of shared thing between his love and his work like he

[01:10:00] wants to create and do all this stuff but he is in denial about like what it's gonna be for even though it's literally the military being like make it faster you know make it more deadly you know right I mean like what

[01:10:13] are they saying well yeah and it's also right it's lighter like maybe it'll take off from an aircraft carrier whatever right right is it it's hard to love something fully if you think so much about how it can go wrong right

[01:10:24] so you you put on blinders to some the focus on the things you love about it and the things that make you feel good about it right and it's like the courage he has is going to make him sad right but also the fact

[01:10:38] that he's just like well and I'm gonna keep on being obsessed with my work as I always am because nothing in my life has changed because this is normal and you're not gonna die right and everyone's like you leave her alone right yeah

[01:10:49] well you just sit over a desk draw planes all day right she's gonna be dead super soon he's like no she's not it's all fine and she's like I love it I love that you go to work I will also stay alive forever

[01:11:00] like they're both just playing this game die she just leaves she just leaves leaves and she knows how horrible it will be bunch of notes pushing away his microphone oh look who's having the breakdown now I'm just this movie is very yeah it's my favorite

[01:11:17] movie of this year was my favorite movie of 2013 and it was one of those things it like a lot of mezaki movies were like I it almost fell I was like I that's too you know it's I shouldn't even glimpse this it's it's you know

[01:11:31] to moving into it's unbearable that's I already said that it's unbearable was my favorite movie of 2013 I don't know I mean there are some good movies that year it's a Lewin Davis is that year wall street Francis ha my top two were Lou and

[01:11:49] Davis and Sprint breaker so of course that's the answer yeah 12 years of slaves that year Iron Man 3 great movie right but it's yeah the counselor fucking Davis and spring break another movie where it's supper for your are and what's the point yeah spring breakers well Lou well oh

[01:12:08] Lewin Davis yeah your arts Robert and Davis is more like I feel like this is JD's take and I'm borrowing it but I love his take on this right where it's like life you know it's creativity it's like this iteration where it feels like it's the same

[01:12:25] every single fucking time you're trying but it actually is changing very slowly right and that may or may not be good or worth it or you know progress even but also that you're stuck in these loops right and like once a loop you have an opportunity right to

[01:12:40] actually like grab the brass ring and you keep on like if you miss it you will keep on finding those opportunities again but the people who are self-destructive are destined to miss them over and over and over a hundred percent right that

[01:12:55] you witness in the movie like five opportunities he has to really do something good and he just keeps on fucking them up and the flip of the beginning and the end of that movie is just like it doesn't matter like this is

[01:13:06] just going to repeat that's what I love about it's gonna repeat and most likely he will not someday get it together there's a chance one of these times he wises up and he sees clearly and he's able to like jump through the hole when it presents

[01:13:18] itself and define success and happiness on the other side but most likely not right what a great movie everything's bad no everything is not bad you dingus this movie is beautiful this is the kind of movie where and you don't even see her die it's just

[01:13:37] there's a gust of wind and he knows okay Nirvana dumb we all know the song Nirvana dumb oh okay the song he wasn't saying they're dumb please no more like David very simple thinking man yeah you don't very simple idea from all sides very simple idea and

[01:13:59] it essentially is just like stupid people actually have maybe have a happier life yes right this movie seeing this I'm like I want to be dumb yeah I don't want to know all about your your cipher ignorance is bliss yeah I do not want

[01:14:11] to touch the ineffable beauty of the world I see all this and it's just like I watched this movie I'm like okay how do I learn how to like football because then maybe I can watch that and now help me get through living I don't

[01:14:27] care if we keep doing this podcast but you're just like yeah I watched the movie you guys like football it's good and with you been Applebee's recently rules Applebee's does wrong but no but this is why half the stuff I like

[01:14:42] is dumb you know like all the show where people are like why is Griffin all this terrible food why is he like all these really coming in your diet why is he buy all these toys and so I because half the time I need to like just

[01:14:54] like fucking dull my mind with things that are just like baseline enjoyment no deeper thought right and then the other half the time I think about everything too anyway Applebee's has a big Long Island iced tea summer with one one dollar what are we

[01:15:11] what's our running time at 70 minutes pretty rapid for a brisket's episode over what I mean we sort of talked about the end at the beginning there's a breeze there's a breeze and he senses it's his wife way he sees the successful launch

[01:15:30] of his plane but then he has this final conversation with his dream manifestation of his idol and trying to reassure him is his sort of guilt in his second guessing of the way he lived his entire life I'm trying to

[01:15:46] think of any other part of the movie we might have missed but I guess not like even though it's not a short movie it's like two hours two hours and change right it is pretty quiet and the plotting is pretty spare yes

[01:16:00] yeah yeah I mean look a lot of him just drawing and testing planes yeah well you know gotta test those plane should we hate him should we do the box office game sure anyway this movie is beautiful there was a thing maybe I'll talk about this first

[01:16:16] it's a thing we've overlooked and we recorded most of these episodes before any of them had come out right uh-huh we banked these up yeah so we we've recorded them largely have the echo chamber of hearing people react to them sure but when the noscape episode came

[01:16:34] out and we're recording this right after that I saw some people on reddit pointing out like you know the context that I hope you guys get to which I can now say we did not in earlier episodes so I think it

[01:16:47] is important to talk about okay is that his first two movies are adaptations right one's adaptation of his own work but a work that was fairly successful and long-running and the other thing is an adaptation of someone else's work that was incredibly successful and super

[01:17:00] long-running right but that the real dividing point for him is when he makes Castle in the Sky right because he decides to found an animation studio on the principle of making original films which at that time was pretty much unheard of

[01:17:13] sure that people were not using anime to tell original stories that it was predominantly adaptations of pre-existing works continuations of long-running franchises the idea of making one-off films based on no pre-existing material or being based on western material obscure sources not being based on

[01:17:33] manga or folklore what have you was very bizarre and he kind of shifted the entire industry just by doing that by planting his flag by castle in the sky being successful by being able to continue running in that direction and make films

[01:17:47] that are just films and was very much kind of the opposite of what we're experiencing today in our monoculture which is it's hard to just make a thing that is just one thing everything has to have the promise of it can go on

[01:18:00] forever and ever and ever in some sort of sense and he kind of flipped that script in a fascinating way and this movie as a final film is like a film that not only wouldn't have existed if he hadn't had the career he had but also

[01:18:18] the notion of anyone making a film like this was kind of absurd and unimaginable and that he did sort of like expand the boundaries of animation in a way that I don't know if anyone has done in western culture with that level of critical and financial success I

[01:18:38] think there's a shift in terms of what Pixar did that moved things away from the Disney model because the model was so binary in terms of an animated film it's always a musical it's always a fairy tale it's always this kind of thing with

[01:18:52] very little variation but we still have yet to see people really experiment with even Pixar really just ended up creating their own model it's not like they created a sort of limitless sandbox or what you know like right and to some extent Miyazaki created his own model

[01:19:09] but there's more variation within it and other filmmakers within the studio established different models and also other filmmakers did their own things outside of the studio right he then he made it a commercially viable thing for animators to be able to pitch

[01:19:24] original films I just think it's a fascinating thing we hadn't talked about and I didn't realize that until someone point out in the reddit thank you to the person who I'm now not crediting because I'm the bad at my job

[01:19:34] I just can before we do the box office game that was all good few things I wanted to remember remember I support you fully and completely Miyazaki created the manga just as a hobby yeah and think the movie would be it

[01:19:50] could be turned into a movie because it wasn't for children yeah but a staff member said the children should be exposed to things they're not familiar with Miyazaki was like you're right crazy kind of kind of interaction you'd love to watch

[01:20:02] he loved to see it he had love to see it he was inspired also by this quote from he wrote a hirakoshi all I wanted to do was make something beautiful which I'm sure is the kind of thing I get lies judging

[01:20:14] from this film he saw so much in like so much tragedy and so much yeah you know transcendence what else was it Venice have you seen tell them anything you want the documentary about Marie Sendak that's like John Stead no I never have

[01:20:39] yeah yeah no I never have I am aware of it it's maybe one of my favorite films ever and it's like 45 minutes long so I don't talk about it you can't talk about it you're not allowed it's a fight club roles

[01:20:51] no but because it's like a long short I don't think of it when I'm thinking about like movies but it's a thing I probably watched 10 times and it Marie Sendak is a guy who has a similarly weird sort of like monastic approach to his work

[01:21:06] and his relationship to his audience and the purity of the work and his discomfort with the success and commercializations the lives some of those things have gone on to and all that but it's like him at his home in his dying years

[01:21:18] and sort of looking back on everything and he was a very prickly man and I think a very fascinating man but he says this thing there's this moment in it and he's very unsanimental you know like the spike jumps keeps on asking him

[01:21:34] like are you scared about death he's like no it's just gonna happen and he keeps on joking like I'll die tomorrow I'll die tomorrow I'm gonna be dead no one cares I'm some guy I made some books who cares and he's like Marie's how can you say that

[01:21:45] he's like none of it matters like he's like very sort of flipping about like I just showed up none of my work you know I just was a guy I did a thing but there's one moment that's you know he talks about when his dog died

[01:21:59] and he almost cries he talks about when his long time romantic partner died and he almost cries and the only other moment where he gets emotional about something is he talks about how he still feels like he has one work left in him

[01:22:10] and he never did another work there's no other work from the time they started filming this documentary but the thing he says he like closes his eyes and it's like he's imagining what the thing is he doesn't have an idea of what the project is

[01:22:23] but he knows what he wants the project to be and he's like I want to make something that is just so simple and he says it with this intensity that has like haunted me where he could see so clearly he's like everything I've made

[01:22:38] has too much going on and he's like what if I could make something with the bare minimum that had the same sort of effect and I feel like that's like a big Miyazaki principle for as much as he puts into a lot of these movies

[01:22:53] it is the philosophy of like what's the simplest way to tell a very complicated story or to add very complicated creatures or visuals or any of that you know that's sort of clarity and this feels like his simplest movie in a lot of ways

[01:23:09] and you know if this isn't his final film which it isn't and who knows if How Do You Live will actually be his final film or not I just hope it is similarly simple OK How do you live? Not well, we already did this trip

[01:23:28] Oh also this movie Lost to Frozen for Best Animated Future Film of the Year Of course I mean it wasn't going to win No he got his award That's how the Oscar was Despicable Me Too got robbed Despicable Me Too was one of the nominees

[01:23:43] Can you name me other two? OK wait so Wind Rises Frozen Despicable Me Too There's not a Pixar in there? No And there's not a Leica in there? No So were the other two G-Kids releases or was one of them a studio release? Well they're studio OK

[01:24:02] I don't think the other one was G-Kids but it was like an art movie Huh one of them is a studio I think it looks like this was G-Kids Is it the Red Turtle? No that was a couple years later I'm trying to timeline this

[01:24:16] Was it Secret of Kells? What's the other one called? It was The Other Son of the Sea What country? French or French Canadian It's not Ernest and Celestine And then the other one is a studio film and it's not a Dreamworks or is it?

[01:24:32] Yeah I think it is a Dreamworks You think it is a Dreamworks? Yeah it's a Dreamworks And it's a first film, it's not a sequel? No The fuck is that? Is this existed? Yeah it existed, they're making a sequel now What? Oh the Croods?

[01:24:49] What the fuck is the Croods? Some people speak up for that one I've never seen it I'm not a fan That movie It's like Caveman Yeah they've cancelled, uncanceled, re-canceled, uncanceled that movie I believe it's being made But they keep on cancelling it and uncanceling it

[01:25:06] When I was working on Nikki and Sarah Live, the MTV show That was supposed to be the Daily Show but about pop culture and for teenage girls In which MTV executives several weeks into the show decided we don't think girls like jokes

[01:25:23] and asked two professional female stand-up comedians to put less jokes in their show The World Pad But I was assigned to do a sketch that was based around Emma Stone and Ryan Reynolds were going to be in town doing a junket for the Croods

[01:25:41] And the bit was, Nikki and Sarah Nikki Glaser, Sarah Schaefer are going to go to the junket and ask Ryan Reynolds and Emma Stone really dumb questions And the bit will be that I am in studio as their entertainment correspondent but also the world's number one crude fan

[01:26:01] and I'm really angry that they didn't ask crude related questions And so they went and they shot the interview and then we wrote our sketch and the sketch was No one cares about the Croods The joke is that no one cares about the Croods

[01:26:14] Write all the crude specifics in the world Have him talk about the Croods as if it's like a sacred text and it's just me flipping out about something dumb that I like, right? Classic Griff-Anoumen bit And MTV killed the sketch

[01:26:27] because they thought we were giving too much free promotion to the Croods And we said the premise of the sketch is that No, I heard you No one cares about it and they went, well, you can't do it and it was going to air

[01:26:42] It was going to be live the next day and they had already filmed the interview Live New York Tuesday night So they said to us You just have to rewrite the sketch quickly and just have there be no Croods references Turned out very badly

[01:27:02] Wind rises to transcendence above Is that the same year as the Croods? You just said it was Like, you know, wind right, yeah No, I'm not the same year I said there was a craziest note I've ever gotten It's a weird note I don't know, MTV's very stupid

[01:27:18] or was 100% I don't know, unless I want to hire a son Exactly, hire us right now via com Okay, box office game Yeah, alright, here we go Cut the Croods story out or put it in three times Yeah, put it in Like, sprinkle it through the episode

[01:27:30] Sprinkle it a couple of times Do a Pulp Fiction style, spread it out Yeah, exactly Little glimpses of it I don't know Yeah, make it a Patreon bonus But label it, no, don't listen It's its own tier Boring story inside Yeah We zinged him He zinged me

[01:27:49] Oh boy, I'm just kidding More like rude story More like rude story I mean, I'm just getting revenge for that dumb dick you did earlier The Nirvana dumb dick Oh yeah, that was pretty brutal Yeah, fucking revenge for that Revenge is sweet Aw man What if, Miyazaki's like

[01:28:06] I'm gonna do another movie It's called Death Wish It's a remake of Death Wish It's about a guy who kills people Like, he even made the most crass movie ever He's like, I've always wanted to make a really gross movie that sucks He just does toxic events Exactly

[01:28:22] But no, instead of drone Instead, he's like How do we live? What's the message I should leave to my grandson? Right February 21st, Jesus Christ Do your mouth, do your juice harp February 21st, 2014 Right after my birthday February 19th No, yeah, so 2014 Yeah That's weird

[01:28:47] What, because it came out here later? Yeah, I guess so What are you confused by? Well, why do I consider it a 2013 movie? Because I believe it had a limited Qualifying year-end release That's like not in the box office because they don't report that

[01:29:00] Right, and then they waited to release it until after the Oscar nomination And when they released it, it had the dub I mean, you could choose You think that was the dubbed version of the film? That's it, thank you for clearing that up It debuts, limited, you know

[01:29:13] 21 screens makes 300 grand Makes five, which is more than I thought this movie made Yeah, yeah 138 worldwide or something Under Touchdown Like the other Miyazaki's The other G-Bleeds They were Disney Right, and Disney was like This is not a kids movie Which it is not

[01:29:28] It has smoking as well Which they have There's a lot of smoking in this movie A lot of smoking Oh, it's killing me It kept making me want to have a cigarette Well, smoking is kind of cool to look at it in a movie anyway

[01:29:38] But visually, you know Animated, it's very cool What if the next Miyazaki film How Do You Live is just about drooling? Yeah, he's like I love it I love it I love sucking on those sweet pods For the record, I quit vaping Cool I approve Cool

[01:29:56] But you're smoking so More Sort of, you know Up and down with you I quit vaping But I added a lot more smoking to the scad This was working out Alright The Lego... Fuck, I gave it a go Number one is the Lego movie Three weeks

[01:30:16] And it's third week still number one Adding theater It was a huge film It was You'll forget Open of 70 ended up at 250 Which is why the drop off On the second one is like so kind of Crazy But they killed the Gonglose They did

[01:30:33] It's just the second one It's the fourth one That's the problem Look, and we know that Lego Batman's a masterpiece We stan But Lego Ninjago Is the one that I think killed the franchise By having those two movies Come out in the same year

[01:30:43] Was crazy and we called it When it was happening On this podcast Check the tape Okay, number two I believe it's opening this week It's an action film Okay With a big star But he's an older star now I think he's going for a taken thing

[01:31:00] Is it the Sean Penn one? No You've worked with this actor Oh, is it? It's a cost movie It's not Three Days to Kill It is that one That's it It's the McGee joint Three Days to Kill I believe it's a relativity I believe so Hailey Steinfeld

[01:31:22] Hailey Steinfeld's in that? I believe she plays his daughter Yeah, Amber Heard Yeah Connie Nielsen What's it about? He's got Three Days to Kill or something? Yeah, she's his daughter I don't know I spent a bit coming out Underperforming going like Oh boy Because Draft Day was like

[01:31:38] Three weeks away But I mean this is such a Nothing Whatever Anyway Came out, made 30 million bucks That was supposed to be the corridor of Like he's in Jack Ryan And then he's in Three Days to Kill And then Draft Day's gonna come out

[01:31:51] And he's gonna reclaim the title Didn't quite Draft Day's still remembered though Three Days to Kill is not Third film is It's like an epic Period I guess it's an actioner For my director, I admire But I've never seen this movie

[01:32:12] And unless we go do them on the miniseries I probably never will You'd admire but you've never seen I feel like we were just talking about this movie Is it like based I mean you said it's period Is it like based on a true story?

[01:32:23] It's based on like a historical event Yeah It's based on like a real historical event Like a tragedy Or like a triumphant event Tragedy It's a tragedy Yeah, it seemed like it sucked Yeah, no fun This isn't like Pompeii Is it? It is? Another movie that like

[01:32:41] It's like Oh right, that was the thing There was like a Kit Harington Kit Harington Emily Browning Right Keefer Sutherland Yes It's got a very weird character Jared Harris, Carrie Ann Moss Yeah I think I should see it Weird cast Is there any chance it's good?

[01:32:55] I feel like the reviews were terrible I think it was probably Quentin Tarantino's Top Film with Heckier He always puts All W.S. Angels A W.S. on his Top 10 Well, I like W.S. But uh Yeah I don't know Seems a little boring

[01:33:07] Also, it's just one of those movies Where they're like Well, life's good here at old Pompeii How's the mountain doing? Looks good No trouble there Anyway, it's off to work for me And you're like When's it gonna fucking blow up? You know Come on

[01:33:21] I know what it does Be good if you made a movie called Pompeii And it's just set it like another time And they were like And the mountain never blew up Sure Uh, was this its opening weekend? Yeah This movie like really, really did not connect

[01:33:35] Open to ten Yeah Gross 23 Yeah Weirdly made 94 farms So 117 worldwide Made 80% of its money overseas Crazy But K.H. Aaron's been like a couple years in the Game of Thrones At that point And they were like Movie star And then he hasn't really Led any movies since then

[01:33:56] He's been busy with Game of Thrones Which is, no I am not You know I'm saying Miller Clark's done more stuff outside some of the other people Have done more stuff outside Yeah Since then I mean Well, Seventh Son Is he the lead in that?

[01:34:11] No, he's in it He's in it Right He made a Spooks movie Which is called MI5 In this country Yes That's kinda it Yeah, and he was in the Xavier Doulin Yeah Well, King of the North King But you know what he's funny in is the

[01:34:31] The Seven Days in Hell Oh yes He's so funny in that Yes You know the Andy Samberg cast movie TV movie Oh, I didn't see that It's really fun Okay, next film on The old I think you just find personally objectionable I hate it

[01:34:47] I don't know if you've seen it But you object I object I think you've seen it I think I've seen it And I object It's a remake Is it the Robocop remake? No good You have seen I have seen it, yes, I saw it

[01:35:03] Even when I was still not watching the Robocop sequels I went to see that It is not good No It makes a lot of really, really stupid choices Sure Is he not a Robocop? Yeah, that's one of the biggest dumb choices Okay, now the fifth film here

[01:35:22] Was a sort of a prestige film But it's coming out in February A pushback Possibly, I don't remember if it was Made like 80 million Wow 154 worldwide Monuments man And like, you know Completely forgotten Yes Big cast, Clooney, Damon, Bill Murray, Kate Blanche That was definitely a pushback

[01:35:45] Because they thought like Six months earlier they were like I mean this is gonna fucking sweep the Oscars, right? It did have that good shepherd Well, the names, you know The names And when I interviewed Clooney He was like, I think I fucked up Leatherheads

[01:36:02] I don't think I fucked up that movie I wanted to make that movie I wanted to make like an old fashioned 40s Men on a mission Like pretty straight down the middle movie And that's exactly what that movie is I have never seen it

[01:36:15] So I could not confirm Regina and I That's weird because he famously has a bunch of emails That came out in the Sony hacks That are him, yes Apologizing to Amy Pascal for fucking up the movie Here's a headline George Clooney wracked by guilt over Monuments man

[01:36:34] Sony email show It's not what he said to me He emailed Amy Pascal He hated the reviews Oh, okay, okay Yes, he said it's getting worse He needed protection from the reviews Let's just make it a hit I haven't slept in 30 hours at 7am

[01:36:50] She said we will protect you by making money That's the best revenge Man, I kind of And he responded I adore you Amy You're literally the only person running a studio That loves film I fear I've let you all down Not my intention I apologize

[01:37:02] I've just lost touch Who knew said Clooney Sorry I won't do it again I feel for the guy He wants people to like his movies I know This is a little bleak, right? Well, I mean he keeps getting to make things obviously Because you know, he's famous

[01:37:20] But it's kind of nice to know that he wasn't like Well fuck the critics You know, who cares No, he was like emailing me He was like I'm about to get roasted Like a Kenny Rogers It's like Kenny Rogers in here And I fucked up

[01:37:34] She's like it's okay, we'll make money It's alright And he's like No, no it's not good enough It is kind of crazy how None of the films post goodnight and good luck have connected That's the most successful one And it's a movie that no one remembers

[01:37:51] And was certainly greenlit with the intention of This is gonna fucking sweep You got an Oscar nomination for the Idle of March Yeah which is very bizarre You got a screenplay nod I believe so I remember them saying like How does this, like at this point

[01:38:05] Change your career to get a screenplay nod Because he was already rolling like ten nominations deep At that point And I remember him with some press conference going Like well it's a big deal for me actually Because if I'm like directing and starting And producing a film

[01:38:18] And they want to hire someone else to write it And I think I'd like to write it myself I'm able to go like hey look I have an Oscar nomination So it makes me look a little more Sort of Verified as a screenwriter

[01:38:29] And I was like oh thank god George Clooney Now has the leverage to convince a studio To let him do a fourth job on the phone I don't think that was an issue he had He worded it that way I understand that but I'm like

[01:38:40] No of course not They let him do everything He makes these movies that let me do everything Suburbicon, Leatherheads, Idle of March Monumentsman, am I forgetting one? That's it Yeah Yeah You produced Argo Wanted an Oscar for that too Oh yes we told him to Argo fuck himself

[01:39:01] And he gladly accepted Right Man So Miyazaki we gotta do a bonus episode Because we can't end it on Clooney discussion Well In the miniseries on like Anyways so in conclusion George Clooney won an Oscar for producing Argo And is supporting Oscar that no one remembers

[01:39:22] Yeah well that's why when everyone's like When I've been like Brad Pitt might win This year for what's upon time And how other people are like Oh he's not going to win for supporting after all these years And I'm like George Clooney did exactly that For Sierra

[01:39:32] That was exactly what he did Right a film that no one has talked about since Well what if Syria but also Ron and also Yeah I did not until this moment realize that's what the title is I've never seen that film It's okay Yeah It's not the worst

[01:39:49] From the director Gold Stegal baby Adventurers of Doctor Do Little Well what a great end to a miniseries It's not the worst movie It's basically just a movie that's like It's real fucked up over there And it's kind of America's fault And you're like Got it Copy that

[01:40:02] Copy that But you know it's not Our fault I was going to say this podcast But it is explicitly 100% our fault Yeah Ben is basically absolved from blame Yes It's the two of us It's both your faults At fault Yeah Now come on Miyazaki

[01:40:22] I do know that he has He's been overloading your emotions Yeah We're free of that experience We're going to watch Whisper of the Heart At some point We're going to watch a documentary maybe But like that's basically The end of Miyazaki And look we're going to do

[01:40:34] This bonus episode It'll drop on Thursday We're going to cover the documentaries Name the two titles Because I'm forgetting The Kingdom David Kingdom of Dreams and Madness And the other one is called Ah let me look it up Okay But then we get to go into Demi

[01:40:53] Which is going to be fun Because we haven't had director That varied in a good little while Varied and also just like Some of them are just going to be Silly genre movies Especially early on God I'm excited for that Remember when it was just like

[01:41:07] Ah man's got a gun And he don't like that guy Yeah I'm excited for that And I'm excited to watch The goofy comedies Yep So I think We'll have a schedule Yes That will lay out Basically the mini series Because we do have some other things

[01:41:25] That will sort of be coming out Pre-release directors We got a cover So all that You can refer to our Twitter Our Instagram For the schedule Yeah Yeah It's all good Good You got to make this episode in With a bang David I'm trying to find the name

[01:41:41] Of the other documentary Which I did watch Because that's the one that has The AI Zombie Man It's about him coming out of retirement To do borrow the caterpillar Right I don't know Never ending man That's what it's called There we go There it is

[01:41:56] We're doing never ending man kingdom Of hopes and dreams Dreams and madness Dreams and madness So check in for that Check in for Demi We already did the Joker And the Gemini Man episode God who knows how those fucking things went Yeah who knows how

[01:42:10] Talking the walk 2019 went Bunch of question marks That's coming right up Oh really Yeah that's next week So by the time you're listening to us We will hopefully know exactly What we're doing Because right now We don't Yeah right Well we'll see Yep yep yep Yep yep yep

[01:42:26] Yep yep I would like to say this Go ahead I think that if Somehow I ever Have children Yeah Which is crazy Yeah The world I want to live in Me too It's the future that liberals want Is multiple hustles running around Yeah yeah Stompin' on the dirt

[01:42:50] If you ever have children Jeans burning me I'm gonna show them Miyazaki movies Yeah For sure I think There's a lot of really great I can't wait to do that Great values in his films And I'm really Thank you Oh you're welcome For introducing me

[01:43:07] Griffin's idea to do this too So thank you Griffin as well Well but my idea was To have David introduce me Right right right Cause I think I did the introduction I said maybe like The heavier ones Yeah Probably not for kids You know So build to them

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[01:43:38] For some real nerdy shirts And go to Patreon For some more real nerdy shit Including a Bonus shit like Talking to Walk 2019 Coming up Tune in next week for the start Of Jonathan Demi We're doing the first That's right There's not gonna be a break

[01:43:54] Because we just had We got to get going And we had to do two new releases But Going on Demi Crazy mama KG fighting mad We're doing three Corp men's in one episode That's right One of them is practically impossible to watch But we've figured it out Sure

[01:44:11] Yes So anyway Thank you all for listening And as always Miyazaki broke me Which would you choose? What do you mean? I didn't point Wow It's taking a dramatic pause Wow Okay, go ahead Mater Okay, ready? They're gonna be clear points I'm ready Okay, ready?

[01:44:35] Which would you choose? A world with podcasts Or a world without What do you mean? Humanity has always dreamt Of listening but the dream is cursed My aircraft are Designed I fucked it I fucked it up Let me take it again Here we go Which would you choose?

[01:44:58] A world with peer Wow Wow Descending into chaos Okay, ready? Perfect Ready? Gonna nail in one