[00:00:00] Blank Check with Griffin and David Blank Check with Griffin and David Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name is a show Is Blank Check
[00:00:19] I have come here to chew bubble gum and podcast And I'm all out of bubble gum I mean, there's no choice I just have to do it Look, there's a white line, I'm gonna walk it He improvised that He says he improvised it Carpenter says he wrote it
[00:00:43] But Carpenter is also like But it's his line man, I mean it wouldn't work without him They both agree that he wrote it The disagreement is that Roddy claimed that he came up with it on the day And Carpenter claimed that he was going through Roddy's notebook
[00:00:58] Of a bunch of wrestling promo lines Because he would just idly write down He would idly write down lines for promos And he saw that in there one day and went like, that's good A lot of them, I mean feel like
[00:01:16] You know, you look like your head fell on the cheese dip back in 1957 Like that, I know it's pointed at that specific woman with that hairdo But that also feels like something that could have been in his promo book Yeah, definitely That's just now funny to think about
[00:01:32] Just sort of like a big wrestler with a little mole skin Just writing down badass slams That's what it feels like Like he goes to the valet and he just dunks on somebody And then writes it down That's good, that's good
[00:01:48] That was good what I said to that guy I insulted him, that was good I know it's part of a bigger line But telling someone to start eating that trash can Is another incredible one Hey Ben You better produce this podcast Or start eating that trash can Damn
[00:02:08] Alright, you mean business Look our guests today are gentlemen But they should loosen up Because we of course like people to speak before they're introduced on this show Not like they're very strict and regimented show Which where the guest is always quiet It's a very formalized show
[00:02:27] Life's a bitch and she's back at heat, sorry That's another one, that's another one That feels like that had to be a Roddy promo line It sounds like it It's a great line They're also very different than Carpenter One-liners Doesn't Duke Nukem steal the bubble gum line?
[00:02:44] Am I making that up? I was going to say this This is how I found out about They Live Was via Duke Nukem Duke Nukem 3D The first person shooter where the player character Duke Nukem Literally just has all these quips
[00:03:00] And these quips are just stolen from movies So he literally will just be like Go ahead, make my day Or he says Yippee ki-yay motherfucker And one of his lines was I wrote it down because the game mangles it a little bit But in the game he says
[00:03:17] It's time to kick ass and chew bubble gum And I'm all out of gum And me and my friend John Saville who both played this game Would quote this line to each other And that's how we backed into our knowledge of the movie They Live
[00:03:29] Because we're like, what's that from? Oh it's from They Live What were you about to do before you quoted that line Is my question Um, get her asses kicked And you all said plenty of gum Yeah, lots of gum Also by the way
[00:03:46] Go ahead and make my day actually was Duke Nukem first Right, yeah, I stole that He just, he was such a nuke-a-mad That's why My elementary school friend Gavin Had the poster for Duke Nukem 3D on his wall You know, with the two guns where he's shooting down
[00:04:05] And when I was like 10 years old I was like that's the coolest possible thing You could have on your wall I think better than this poster It kinda still is Yeah, I might argue I'll argue like if I was on a date
[00:04:20] And I was lucky enough to be invited back to a woman's place afterwards Where I granted the honor And I saw that on her wall I would maybe propose marriage instantly And I've never played a Duke Nukem game She'd be like get out of here freak I know
[00:04:38] It's a test and you failed No, but if you looked into someone's apartment And they had a Duke Nukem 3D poster in the year 2021 Right Right and we are all men in our 30s No, Nick, you're in your 40s now? I'm in my 40s, yeah
[00:04:56] I'm in my fourth decade Okay, so three of us It's rough Four of us are young men You're actually in your... Nick, I hate to break this up But you're actually in your fifth decade You've actually been in your fourth decade You've entered the fifth
[00:05:10] You've entered the fifth Fuck There are four young men on this show Filled with droid-to-vieve And one man on the other side But I think if anyone in our general age bracket Had a Duke Nukem 3D poster today I'd be seriously impressed Right, you would think about marriage
[00:05:31] Duke very carpentry in general Right? I never played any of these games The vibe of that feels very... Or should I say this? Duke Nukem feels very Kurt Russell to me 100% That's the most... It's not exactly that Right He's funny, he's got quips Just stolen from other movies
[00:05:52] But he's like... He's an exaggeration of the action hero Kind of a self-aware parody of the action badass Very Kurt Russell Seems like he's pretty directly pulled from Big Trouble in Little China, honestly Yeah And Snake Pliskin, it's maybe like a 50 Although, I mean, fucking Solid Snake
[00:06:13] Is pulled from Snake Pliskin It is funny, I mean we'll get into it But for a movie that is so... Kind of anti-capitalist The biggest running theme I feel across the 10 episodes We've done so far These couple of months we've already spent Digging into Carpenter
[00:06:35] Is every single episode Every bit of research we do There is at least two anecdotes About him being angry that he didn't get paid For something Right Yes, and this one, Griffin I'm sorry, it's Shepherd Ferry, right? He jokes about that Correct
[00:06:51] He goes, that shit should pay me Like anyone who is inspired by his work He argues should pay him And then there's a quote here in the dossier About Carpenter being like Come on, I love making money I'm a total, I'm a pig in shit
[00:07:05] Are you kidding me? It's his whole thing We're all sell-outs Just because he hates it Doesn't mean he's not also like Yeah, maybe I'm a sell-out Who cares, pay me He just wants to play his video games It's the system we have to live with then
[00:07:19] It's the obey thing though The Shepherd Ferry thing It just is obey from the movie It's just lifted from the production design Is it a matte painting? It's just the same thing My thing is, like Oh, that would be a cool poster
[00:07:34] To have a they live obey poster But now, Shepherd Ferry is Now it's over It's over, you can't do it anymore Yeah, he made it not cool It is wild that he has built such a career for himself Off of like fucking decals Right? Sure
[00:07:51] I grew up in New York City I remember seeing those things pop up When they started When it was just like A breaking sticker And it was just Right, so he took a guy's fucking face And he took a fucking Typographical logo From a different movie
[00:08:10] And he put them together And he built a fucking empire on it And when it was like some weird underground thing Popping up on like fucking Lamp posts and whatever You were like, oh cool And then when he's doing, I don't know Supreme collabs or whatever
[00:08:26] You could be paying the Andre the giant estate Yeah He should agree I grew that Griffin introduced our podcast This is a podcast called Blank Check with Griffin and David I'm Griffin I'm David Hell yeah You're excited today I am excited, I saw a good movie this morning
[00:08:46] They were with my friends the Doughboys Well no, I saw they live I saw Memoria, I saw a pitch Feng, we're a set of We're a set of I'm trying my best A movie most people will have to wait 15 years To see
[00:09:04] Sure, yes, well I just saw it and I loved it Do you guys know about this Nick and Mitch, I'm going to introduce you in a second You haven't been introduced yet No, what is it? I don't know about it either This guy's in the movie
[00:09:16] They announced that It's never going to be released on streaming It's never going to be released on home video It's never going to be rentable Their plan is to have it I would assume none of that is true I agree, I'm just saying what they're saying
[00:09:30] What they're saying Is that this movie is just going to play in theaters Indefinitely But it's only going to play at one Theater at a time It's going to play one scream It'll be a road show It will never play in more than one screen
[00:09:46] One theater, one city at a given time Wow I'm into it People are mad His last movie was in two theaters Total basically It's not exactly a Who knows If it's ever in your town Go see it, it's two hours and 15 minutes long Tilda Swinton listening to noises
[00:10:08] It's great This is a podcast about Filmographies, directors who have Massive success early on in their careers Or given a series of Blank checks For projects they want And sometimes those checks clear And sometimes they bounce baby This is a mini series on the films of John Carpenter
[00:10:26] It's called They Podcast We finally arrived at the titular Wow Movie What an honor We got the title movie Alliciting those famous double wows Joining us today Of course, Nick Weiger Mike Mitchell Hi Thank you for having us Thanks for having us We should note
[00:10:54] Always a thrill to be here We should note that Griffin is wearing Sunglasses during this record I'm just checking I just, you know I hope you like the look of my skull and robot eyes I didn't Well that's what it looks like when I take the sunglasses off
[00:11:10] Oh okay God I wish I looked like a skeleton These guys, they're my thin inspiration I'd love to be a walking skeleton Great bone structure It's like unbelievable cheekbones Very striking I guess that is a good question Of what these aliens Are And like what are the
[00:11:32] Cause they are kind of bony But they are a little bug like It's kind of hard to put your finger on what type of aliens we're looking at here You see one of them Naked at the end there And he's just a guy kind of painted
[00:11:44] Green and red, right? Like he's basically humanoid Blue and red It's an incredible color scheme And an incredible ending by the way That's a fantastic ending to the movie Ending on boobs, that's carpenter He's like I'll end on the boobs
[00:12:00] Now I'm gonna draw you in with the boobs It's right at the end Send them home horny That's carpenter's favorite move Is to leave every audience member In a position where it's difficult for them to leave the theater You know where you're trying to figure out
[00:12:16] Like how do you stand up exactly I'll run the credits slow you freaks You'll have a minute This Griffin This film as they live Came out in 1988 It rules It's a cool movie for cool people It's the end of a run
[00:12:34] Of one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten So it's eleven theatrical movies I'm ignoring the two TV movies But that is basically an unimpeachable run A run of eleven movies Where you would basically You could argue about any of them
[00:12:48] That's my favorite of all the great movies Like maybe it's a little weird If you're picking like Christine or whatever But like, you know, I'll hear you out This was a debate being had On the Blank Check On the Reddit recently Is there a stronger run
[00:13:04] We have ever caught Is there a stronger run Unbroken that has ever existed It's the unbrokenness Right, the least generous Version of it is you start it with Halloween, right? If you want to say like Dark stars a little more of an acquired taste Assault on Precinct 13
[00:13:24] Is like so nasty and rough and tumble Not everyone might agree on that being A masterpiece although I would But yes pretty much I'm not sure if I should But yes, pretty much up until this point Like Memoirs of a Visible Man is this first Outright stink
[00:13:42] That's the one that you would be really weird If you even said it was good Like that would be a really out there tick I don't know what you guys think I'll just read them out to you guys I'm sure you know Darkstar, Precinct 13 Halloween, The Fog
[00:13:58] Escape from New York, The Thing Christine, Starman, Big Trouble in Little China The Darkness and They Live That's the run There's not a bad movie I agree, it's unimpeachable I believe Mitch's favorite Carpenter is The Thing One of his favorite movies ever I go Starman You love Starman
[00:14:20] I love Starman I'm sorry I'm not trying to be funny here But that makes a lot of sense Starman, of course a man It's a good experience Talking funny Only grounded by his relationship To his or stat's wife Nick, have you always Loved Starman? Did you see
[00:14:42] That as a kid or as a teen Or did you come to it later Did you watch it as an alien baby On the floor trying to figure out What to... Your parents had it running Projected on the wall in the background And you slowly morphed into it
[00:14:58] And you had a puppet this meat suit I was... I saw it as a kid I saw it as a kid a few times Re-watched as an adult, holds up Listen to your guys episode about it I mean it's a... I love it and I also say this
[00:15:14] I like that they have I like the sex scene in Starman Me too I like that they fuck Most movies should have a sex scene In my opinion Weird anti-sex scene discourse Sometimes I'm glad that they Fuck and they live I'm glad that that happens at the end
[00:15:36] I'm glad that the alien fucks the lady The two characters we just met So I'm with a few lines This is a 9 out of 10 But I got one complaint and then last scene You're like 10 out of 10 Yeah Dad was checking his watch a little bit
[00:15:52] And then perks up right at the end Right It is bizarre the way That argument pops up again on twitter Every four days of just someone Very boldly saying I know no one asked me but I think that no sex Sheen should exist ever
[00:16:08] People love to say stuff like that The thing is In my top God it could be top 5 favorite movies But top 10 for sure I love the thing And I saw the thing late I was like a Sophomore junior in college And so kind of late as far as
[00:16:28] You know developing Cause I liked horror and I just had never saw And then I was in like a sci-fi Class or something like I think it was a Some bullshit college class about Sci-fi where we watched sci-fi movies And And they put on that Scene from
[00:16:48] They put in the scene from the thing where Everyone's tied to the chairs And They're testing the blood The blood test scene and I Was like wow I gotta watch this whole movie This scene is insane That scene is insane The guy vibrating in the chair
[00:17:06] That scene rules It jumps to the ceiling And then I watched the movie and I was like I can't believe I've never seen this Or really here Haven't really heard people talk about it too much Before it's it had a kind of had a renaissance And people
[00:17:22] People loved the thing and I feel like People rank it pretty high now too But I had never I hadn't even really Known of it or heard about it and I just think It's the best horror Sci-fi movie in the snow There's ever been
[00:17:36] It doesn't need all those factors but Well that's it I mean when we did Our episode we had a pretty serious Conversation of like is this the best Thing we've covered on the podcast ever I mean it was It was in the content it's in the conversation
[00:17:50] And we've covered some pretty big Honkin movies Hotel Transylvania 2 Amongst them Mel Brooks isn't that one I just think that movie is just a practical That's the practical effect Powerhouse that Every horror movie should Watch the thing and try to make Things look like the thing
[00:18:12] Because you post an interesting question We have a group text the four of us Blanktoe Blanktoe You post an interesting question To the text the other day Which was is there any Effective use of CGI In horror? Yes What horror movies if any Use CGI to their benefit
[00:18:34] Yeah and I think there are Some but few There are few though I do think You're onto something in that More so than any other genre perhaps I think the conjuring uses CGI Very well but it uses It fairly sparingly
[00:18:52] Which is probably part of why I like it I said to Mitch one of the examples I liked Is the crooked man and conjuring Two because I think that's a very specific Type of creature that you couldn't Really realize practically but you said
[00:19:04] You don't like the crooked man It's the moment that took me out of the Conjuring too but I do Like conjuring one and I do know that They use their CGI in it And I think it's Effective I think of a movie
[00:19:18] There are some movies that use CGI We're using CGI and you're going to be on board here Hotel Transylvania 2 Hotel Transylvania 2 Incredible use of CGI Very early on they make it clear But like a Starship Troopers Starship Troopers I think is Also one of my top 20 movies
[00:19:36] But that's more action sci-fi Like genres where you can argue There are many films that are clearly Improved by the advent of CGI Horror maybe benefits from Tactility Well I know this movie is flawed and it's not a great movie But I do think the first
[00:19:52] Wait they live? No no they live rules The first it uses That's like to me a fun CG Blockbuster horror movie That's sort of like the good version of it That's a half and halfer for me There are moments where I wish they scaled it back
[00:20:08] And there are moments they use CGI in a way You could not use any other methods to achieve I mean the ring was the obvious example I threw out the camera But even that you know it doesn't use it too much It just uses it for very crucial
[00:20:22] Scares which is why it's cool Right But like look at this film They live a movie in which It's greatest effect is Switching from black and white to color To the right Which I believe was a huge pain in the ass Huge pain in the ass
[00:20:40] But it's an incredibly Simple practical time consuming trick Of just having to redress everything Over and over and over again And all of the aliens in this movie Are just like overhead Bags This film had a very limited budget They don't have like detailed prosthetics
[00:20:58] If you look at any of these scenes with the aliens Their mouths just kind of like Flap a little bit Like they're all just pretty much Well sculpted Halloween masks Without any mobility And it fucking works It fucking works Right you don't look at it and go
[00:21:16] Man I wish he had more scale And more resources and more technology To be able to realize this thing And it's not a scary I mean it's not a scary movie Of course it's not It's upsetting There is a moment in the movie
[00:21:32] This to me Nick was saying That he knew Duke Nukem first And I was a Duke Nukem fan as well But I believe I saw this first But just on like USA Up All Night Type of show Which is itself a very horny show So like
[00:21:48] As a young boy Saw like snippets of this I feel like more than I had seen the whole thing And then later watched the whole thing But This was like oh the aliens kind of look Goofy or whatever But watching the movie there is a scene
[00:22:04] Where you're like oh this is kind of like The scene in the grocery store where you're like Oh he's found out and this is kind of Nerve-wracking that he's found out By all these aliens and he's going to get cornered Or whatever
[00:22:16] But there's no, I mean the thing Is inarguably a much scarier Right? Yeah this is more satirical thriller How do you even classify this movie Yeah it's almost like It's really kind of almost a straight Sci-fi movie but just with very little Actual
[00:22:34] You know detail on the side The science side of things But it's yeah it's sort of like a Kind of a throwbacky Sort of Twilight Zone thing But then also There's wrestlers wailing On each other you know like Which is great It could be love
[00:22:54] It's weird to classify it as an action film But it also features perhaps One of the longest unbroken fight scenes In any western film ever And it almost yeah It's like what if a Twilight Zone episode just took A break for 15 minutes
[00:23:08] And had two guys bunching each other It could be called a fight movie I mean it is just like It could just be a fight movie A brawler Yeah it's got some great action moments Some great gunplay It's like a sci-fi action movie
[00:23:24] But it's also just so like I always mentally as a kid Like categorize this with repo man Which is You know very different but it's also like It's the sci-fi Film That's you know also like It's not a comedy but it's like funny
[00:23:42] And you know it's got some It just felt so distinct and different From like everything else I was watching I guess kind of Army of Darkness The same sort of tone I kind of think of Even though it's not the exact same sort of thing
[00:23:54] But like yeah it's just a It kind of defies classification In the same way that repo man does At least in my mind Which is part of why I like it It's also such an angry movie I mean like Carpenter's grumpiness
[00:24:08] Is a thing we've talked about a lot Across these episodes but this is like The only movie he's made that he has acknowledged Is like a message movie It's like a primal scream He's just like grabbing you and yelling in your face Unlike the other series
[00:24:22] Right and that gives it such an odd vibe As opposed to some of the other movies you mentioned Nick that feel a little more like Anarchic, you know Sure, no this is Stridently anti-capitalist and that was a thing You know I've only ever seen this movie
[00:24:36] Before this most recent viewing The way it was meant to be seen on Peacock I'd only ever seen this movie in 4x3 On VHS And I just I remember being like I get comments on consumerism And that sort of thing but then watching it now
[00:24:50] Re-watching it now I'm like This is stridently anti-capitalist This is such a The messaging is so Forward in this movie It's baked in from minute one And it's basically crucial To every scene and every character It's right, it's sort of like It's a watermark on this movie
[00:25:10] You know what I mean, it's always there And seeing you know like The bulldozing the home The encampment Of on-house people I found so upsetting To watch as knowing that's the thing That just like you know happens in LA And like every major city of just like
[00:25:26] Cops coming in and Throwing everyone's possessions away And like evicting them when they got No place else left to go it's just like That's so fucking vicious and it's a gnarly scene That's the thing about Zay-Liv Like You know it's tried to say it but like
[00:25:42] It is essentially it's like 100% as relevant as it was Made as it was when it was made Yeah and for some Its message is barely needs to be Tweaked to fit Contemporary times And yet like when you watch it you're like
[00:25:58] Oh this is so specifically rooted in the Reagan era And it's so clearly about the 80s And you know what Carpenter's perceiving Around him and yet you're like But you know what still basically hits Right in the same spot down to Right clearing out
[00:26:12] Unhoused people in Los Angeles And like you know like down to Just People being willing just being like whatever Man let's just sell out We'll talk about it but yeah By the way my mom My mom delivered me a chicken Caesar wrap
[00:26:28] I told you guys that this would happen And it has happened She was very sneaky about it She didn't even enter frames I caught her And she kind of peeked in And she gave me as a drink She gave me a Bud Light Seltzer
[00:26:44] And I was explaining to her that it's alcoholic But I said thank you Your mom's giving you booze She's cool Sneaking booze in the basement for me Even though I it's the opposite Why? Cause I used to have to sneak it down here By myself and now I
[00:27:00] She's sneaking it down for me Delivering it to you on a tray Delivering it to me on a tray That is a Cherry Limeade Bud Light Seltzer Wow That's a lot of things on one can It's a lot Cherry Lime Light Bud Light Seltzer
[00:27:18] Have you guys done that On this show yet? Is that good Bud Light Seltzer versus you know compared to The other various alcoholic Seltzers We tasted a few I think the Bud Light was decent actually This Cherry Limeade one is good I like it
[00:27:36] It tastes like a Cherry I think most people would classify it as disgusting But it's pretty good Have you guys messed around with the White Claw Surge I just got some of the What is that? That sounds a little scary It is a little scary I had some
[00:27:54] When I had trouble sleeping and I was like does this have caffeine In it I was wondering but I don't think it does It's just got a higher ABV It's like an 8% ABV 5% so it's a little more potent It's like an IPA White Claw That was really good
[00:28:08] God I would be annihilated A Bud Light Seltzer is all it is It shouldn't exist Now here's my question to you Just like the aliens and they live Will listeners be able to pick up On me eating a sandwich Absolutely I guarantee you
[00:28:26] I used to eat bagels on mic almost Every single episode I was like I'm a big bagel Insane I know you guys host a food podcast And you often try things on mic And you've had to deal with the The misophonia folks Who I feel for I understand
[00:28:44] I eat my bagels before recording now But you can't escape them Sometimes I think I took one bite across two hours There's no way they'll pick up on it And they do, they always do It's like a dog whistle thing I'm drinking a beverage pretty constantly
[00:29:00] As I'm recording any Podcast and I often Worry that a big healthy Gulp will be picked up by the mic As you say this Mic is drugging Is that a second beverage? It really went for it It's a Coke Mini I got a Coke Mini because they're downstairs
[00:29:20] So you have a Bud Light Seltzer with a Coke Mini back I'm not going to drink the Bud Light Seltzer The whole conversation was about it You could drink it You want to get drunk Mitch? I mean I'm sure Nick is drinking one of those White Claw
[00:29:36] What is it called? White Claw Storms? White Claw Surge It's all it is a stronger version Noon Pacific Time It is strong, yeah I think I kind of liked it but it also made me feel weird So I don't know if I'll go back to it
[00:29:50] That's my review How many Forex? 5 Wow 5 Forex? It's more like a 4-4 If you put on the sunglasses What would it say behind White Claw Surge? Swallow To be fair Nick though That's what you see written on most things when you put on sunglasses
[00:30:23] This movie is just so angry And dark For a movie that is kind of like Light as you watch it In many ways I just think Roddy Piper Is like light in his delivery And they are kind of like two likeable guys It is just kind of dark
[00:30:43] And it shows by how quick Piper just is on board with Killing all these hits Immediately Just firing a shotgun randomly into a bank Within minutes The other weird thing about this Movie is it is simultaneously So bleak and so Silly
[00:31:03] A lot of the movies you're throwing out Nick and Mitch as well Are interesting analogs But I also kind of think there's no movie really Like this There are other movies you can put in the same bucket As films that are equally Uncategorizable Is that a fucking word?
[00:31:21] Is such a bizarre Tonal Work I just remember For how angry it is For how bleak it is For how pointed it is You read all the reviews at the time And people criticize the movie For being so aggressively Unsubtle Who cares? It doesn't need to be
[00:31:45] I think subtlety is so greatly Overrated especially in genre And it's a thing that I feel like critics Maybe A little bit less so now But often like to sort of like Poopoo is like Well, I understood exactly what this movie was saying
[00:32:01] They like to be smarter than a movie It is my main complaint About much of criticism You're not smarter than something Can you do Unsubtle in a good way? I agree! Don't some people do Unsubtle in a bad way And then he does Unsubtle in a good way
[00:32:17] And it feels right While you're watching it And there is that huge black and white Contrast which we were talking about It works so well Why does this fucking need to be Subtle? Sometimes you go Broad with something so you don't have to Waste time Carefully building
[00:32:39] A nuanced argument in between the lines Over hours Get the fucking thing out of the way But what you're saying, Griff And I agree with you I think Yes this movie is Unsubtle But if this movie was deadly serious And very like Kind of high on its
[00:32:57] Sort of like don't you get it man It might be a little more Tiresome and the fact that this Movie is sort of fun And goofy And just like pulpy Just like a dime store paperback That you can finish quickly And have fun with
[00:33:15] That's why the message works It actually is incredibly consumable Hollywood entertainment that's making fun of consumption It's the total recall thing Yes When you remake Total Recall to be like Kind of the dark gritty version It's not as fun and it doesn't work as well
[00:33:31] I know there's fans of the remake No there aren't There's not one I am not I always offend people when I say something sucks I truly challenge One person I am the world's biggest Colin Farrell Fan and they've seen Total Recall Remake. I'm one person
[00:33:51] To even give me a that Movie is okay It doesn't have one It drives me out of Hollywood I don't deserve another job after that Shit They don't even go to Mars They don't even go to Mars In that movie The three breasted woman is completely unjustified
[00:34:11] Without the The music element This is just a call back to The first movie but there's no reason for this To exist in this if people aren't being mutated That's my least favorite thing in the world When like a remake or A sequel takes out everything
[00:34:27] That was kind of Fundamental to a thing but then puts in The fucking dumb easter egg iconography Right We had to put the three breasted woman in You're like removed from all context What the fuck are you talking This was such a big gripe for me
[00:34:43] But live free Or die hard. The fourth one Another Len Wiseman movie Another Len Wiseman movie You're making me realize maybe he's Like the fucking worst at this But There's the scene at the end where Like he has fucking Timothy Olyphant's cyber villain Has John McClain at gunpoint
[00:35:05] And he says like any final words And he goes yeah, yippie-kay-ay motherfucker And it's like The thing you said to a Random terrorist 35 years ago That means nothing to this guy You said it in the context Hans Gruber said to you You think you're some sort of cowboy
[00:35:27] And then you said yippie-kay-ay motherfucker Which is a calling response Like there's like there's a Back and forth there 35 years later you decide to just Polish it off and throw it out at this new terrorist I imagine he's He's retold that anecdote though A few times
[00:35:45] And kind of like people have been kind of like oh that's cool Man, like ah what a badass thing to say And so he's kind of high on his own supply at this point But he's also like it's none of his
[00:35:53] Fucking cop cronies are there to witness it And go like John you brought it back Right Not to make this the Len Wiseman sucks hour Or whatever but like you know he is sort of The epitome of that like Mid-2000s Director where it's like
[00:36:09] He'll put together a competent action sequence For you He'll run out and greet the crowd At Comic-Con and be like don't worry We're getting the free breasted woman in there for you guys And He has no ideas He'll make you A very generic sequel
[00:36:27] That no one will remember or like I never had a chance to see it before When you were in the theater When you saw the remake Didn't you get up and you say You expect me to jack it to this Didn't you yell that out in the theater
[00:36:43] I'm off to watch the final scene of They Live thank you very much So I Yeah I Actually I saw Total Recall the remake in theaters And our friend John Daly By pure coincidence was also at the screening And afterwards he saw me and he's like Hey man
[00:37:01] Like yeah You're not defensible that movie is I feel like the Wiseman version of They Live it would be like a very sexy Serious sexy Between the alien and the woman at the end of the Movie Don't worry we put the alien tits in there We had to
[00:37:19] But the sunglasses aren't in it there are no aliens There's no black and white and it doesn't have the message Do they even go to the moon Or isn't it just set And then the elevator goes from one end of the earth to the other Or whatever
[00:37:31] They don't go to space at all Is my understanding No space It is insane To watch The wonderful Parlovarovan movie Total Recall With all that crazy crap on Mars And be like Movie ends credits are rolling Lights come up in the screening room and they're like
[00:37:51] So the Mars stuff Right we're getting near to that Don't need any of that shit One quick thing on Live Free or Die Hard the thing that does bother me I totally agree with you On the Yippee-ki-yay mother fucker
[00:38:05] Makes no sense so I would say that but the thing that bothers Me is it's a PG-13 Movie so he times a gun Shot over the fucker So it's like Yippee-ki-yay mother Ur And she's like wow Give me the fuck
[00:38:19] Go for the hard R give me the mother fucker at least And then everyone goes what did you I couldn't hear you Over the gunshot And then when he repeats it they're like I still don't understand Why would you say that now No one called you a cop
[00:38:35] Thanks for killing him I just want to call out in 2010 Eric Newman Who produced the thing prequel Is I guess maybe not currently but at one point Was the showrunner of Narcos The son of Randy Newman He is the son of Randy Newman He has produced many movies
[00:38:57] He produced Children of Men He produced the Snyder Shaun of the Dead And the Robocop remake He's done a lot of these Fucking remakes He Was supposed to remake They live Universal Announce they were remaking in 2008 And then he did an interview Where he said
[00:39:21] That I'll just I'll read it as it's Written here in the dossier He announced plans for the remake to move away from Iconic aspects of the original film Most notably the sunglasses which allowed John Nauta to see the hidden alien world
[00:39:33] I mean it's what we were just joking about But I remember Talking about like our first exposure To this movie The way I became aware of this movie My father was like a huge W W F guy in the 80s He was one of his main vices
[00:39:49] He would drag my mother to wrestling Oh yes Your mom went to see like Macho Man Randy Savage live Like your mother It is very hard to imagine her In a WWE crowd in the 80s Looks like a doll made out of Porcelain paper A very small woman
[00:40:09] A very fragile woman I'll tell this anecdote very briefly But my father in the 80s worked for this guy Alan who was primarily a Broadway producer Who had done like Annie and other stuff And then was sort of branching out into movies And he had this big idea
[00:40:23] That he wanted to do the world's first No man one man show I might have mentioned this on the podcast before But his idea was He wanted to use like the audio Animatronic technology from Disney And do like a great Moments with Mr. Lincoln But on Broadway
[00:40:41] Have a Broadway show that was performed by a robot Where you'd never had to pay a performer And the robot would just do however many shows a day And you could just like fill the house Right? You'd make back the costs Because you could do 10 performances a day
[00:40:53] Rather than one a night or whatever Um And his idea was To do it with Andy Warhol He thought Andy Warhol was the most interesting guy To build a robot one man show around And that he would be into the weird Like pop kitsch aspect of it
[00:41:09] So they got pretty far along Developing a robot one man show With Andy Warhol And did like tests and made pro type robots And all of them were just like too disturbing I think the technology wasn't there And they couldn't figure out the execution
[00:41:23] And how to do one long enough and all this sort of shit But there is In Andy Warhol's like published diaries There is an entry About my father who was like The kid in the office for this guy Taking Andy Warhol To uh I mean
[00:41:41] I did not know that I remember the Andy Warhol robot But I did And did they have a good time? Uh I mean my mom does the impression of him Which is just like Wow I can't believe these outfits Look at that guy That's incredible Well
[00:42:01] To go to the show And I'm like I'm like Well To get to they live He was stunned As we've mentioned John Carpenter met Alice Cooper At WrestleMania 3 Which is why Alice Cooper is in Prince of Darkness He also met Rowdy Roddy Piper at WrestleMania 3
[00:42:25] WrestleMania which was in Detroit Uh the poster It seems like Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant Were the main event for that one But that's This is a huge WrestleMania That is the origin story for They live is just John Carpenter going to WrestleMania
[00:42:43] That's wild and also I gotta say A possibility If Rowdy Piper's Career got bigger That he'd maybe be one of the best Actors I know that there's some moments where Dialogue is a little stilted in this And I know that he doesn't have like The charm of like
[00:43:03] The rock is The rock and he's you know He's gigantic but he's undeniably He has some charm and people like him Absolutely, yeah very charismatic So My question is could he have been The best actor of Of all the WWE Superstars I don't
[00:43:23] He's up there I think he's good Griff you've got your take on the best Actor wrestler right I assume it's still the same take But I think I think this is good I think Rowdy perhaps had the same Potential that Batista Did
[00:43:41] I think he was perhaps not given After this gets shunted to Straight to video stuff or whatever Right, I think because I mean this and Hell comes to Frogtown are the same Year And then he never really gets A good movie again After this Like you know
[00:44:01] There are as you said Mitch Some moments of greenness in this But he totally works and the things That he supplies that like A more Traditional actor Could not greatly outweigh His lack of experience In very brief Moments but I do think there is a sense Of
[00:44:23] Depth to him That was totally In a way that's kind of depressing Yes, well he does a lot without Saying a lot is kind of Is the fun thing watching him And I mean maybe intentional On Carpenter's part and you know
[00:44:39] Maybe some of the stuff was a little too green But his I feel like it's funny because like Even the way he delivers that bubblegum line Is maybe like kind of like one of the more Stilted things I think when he's
[00:44:51] When him and Keith David are just talking I'm like he's good, he's natural He feels like an average guy He feels like a regular person Which is you know with a lot of wrestlers I feel like it's a hard thing to pull off So
[00:45:05] I think he's awesome in this And yeah he's a little green But he's perfectly You know at that nexus of a guy Who seems like he's maybe down on his luck But it is also an Invincible badass Like he's able to live in both of those And
[00:45:23] You mentioned Mitch that he has a lot Some sequences without much dialogue I think his performance when he first Gets the sunglasses And is like tentative about putting them on And then putting them back on and off Repeatedly at the newsstand I think it's so good
[00:45:39] And I think that he carries That sequence so well I mean that's you know I think Carpenter's really clever in the way He casts this movie but you have this Sort of a two-hander and you cast A classically trained Juilliard guy And a professional wrestler Right
[00:46:00] But there is weird overlap In the sort of like methodical Training that both of these guys Have done. There's a level of precision You know Roddy is someone who knows how to communicate So much through physicality I agree with Mitch, I love this performance
[00:46:15] I'm not actually criticizing any of this We're just sort of being objective here But like I feel like the moments where he's A little more stilted are like You said The ones where he's sort of playing More of the classic like action hero Beats, right?
[00:46:30] Or he's throwing out one-liners or whatever And it feels like maybe he's Butting up against his tendency To go really big with those moments As he does when he's playing to an arena But any of the smaller intimate moments Anytime he's connecting with another person
[00:46:44] Anytime he's just having A moment of reflection To something he's just like so spot on Yeah, agreed He seems like a great guy From all accounts I heard that he was Why? Did you ever work with him? He worked in the comedy scene a little bit
[00:47:00] Yeah, he did stand up for a long time And I remember he was on It's Always Sunny And he did stuff, right? Yeah He's dabbled in the comedy world Yeah, he was in a funnier day Video when I worked in Funnier Day I thought I was not involved
[00:47:12] But by all accounts a lovely man I can also just say Like he's, he looks great He looks unbelievable Like he takes his shirt off He looks fucking great His ass looks great in those jeans He's just like he looks so fucking Bad ass in this movie
[00:47:28] I was watching, looking at him and Keith David Just in my head I was like Those are men Yeah I'm looking at men And they're younger than us They're like 34 in that movie or something Yeah But you know it's the thing that's lost now
[00:47:40] Right, like where it's like Yeah those are really built You know guys but they don't look Like aliens Yeah they look like dudes Who like do yard work You know and they'll like Fix your gutters if you need that You know what I mean
[00:47:54] They just don't look like dudes Like regular guys with big biceps Which makes me believe the fight Like I believe that that fight happened 100% We should read these quotes About the casting process Because JJ, a researcher Pulled up a treasure trove of shit here But this is Carpenter
[00:48:10] Talking about why he cast Roddy This is the quote He said unlike most Hollywood actors Roddy has life written all over him He's been hit so many times That he is really broken up He even walks funny because his pelvis was shattered And his back was wrenched
[00:48:25] He's definitely not a pretty boy But he's the toughest guy I've ever met You could run a truck into Roddy And he would still be standing Like that speaks to the whole fucking thing And also so much of his hotness In this movie that you're just like
[00:48:38] This fucking guy Yeah Did you guys watch him In the 80s? Like I remember him a little bit It's sort of the tail end of the 90s When he was kind of still lingering But I don't know his 80s run In the WWF
[00:48:53] Then WWF that well at all Yeah, I mean it's amazing that I did watch him some as a kid I will say that it is kind of amazing that Carpenter had the clout to If he was going to cast a wrestler
[00:49:10] He would say like I'm going to cast Roddy Piper Who was great An awesome performer But he does not have the star power Of a Hulk Hogan or an Andre the Giant He was not at that same threshold Of Superstardom That transcended the wrestling world But yeah
[00:49:28] He had a killed He had a bagpipe That's what he was going to say Did he wear a bagpipe? He did a lot of stuff with bagpipes He's actually Canadian Yeah, but he was like he did a That was this whole thing Roddy Roddy Piper
[00:49:42] Because he was a bagpiper He's from Saskatoon Your favorite town, right? Didn't you just show him Saskatoon? I've been making that up We did a live-dote show in Saskatoon In the dead of winter And all of our Canadian listeners Said what the fuck are you doing?
[00:49:57] Why would you come to Saskatoon Of all places in January? The people who live in Saskatoon Were angry at you It was like flying into the The base from the thing Basically, it blew in We were like there's nothing here There's one base The plane is descending? What?
[00:50:17] What's happening? I don't see anything The ticket taker is some frozen body With two heads being pulled apart You gotta be I think you have to be tough from Maybe that speaks to the thing of He isn't a pretty boy So then he takes off his shirt
[00:50:34] And he's like, he's a fucking He's jacked He's a machine Ben, you just have to hear this He was expelled from junior high For having a switchblade in school Wow And then like went on the run And lived in like youth hostels
[00:50:48] And picked up odd jobs at gyms And like that's how he got into wrestling Yeah Yeah, I'm reading here He said he was been on the street Since he was 13 And a professional fighter Since 15 So that means A lot of that monologue That he has in the movie
[00:51:03] With his dad There's a really dark monologue about His dad holding a razor blade to his throat And then his character goes on the road Since a young age I think he says 15 or something But in reality it sounds like he was on
[00:51:16] On his own maybe even earlier or something But that must have been taken from his real life That makes a lot of sense Carpenter said he had Roddy Write the entire backstory for this character That he did not create a backstory
[00:51:30] And said, I want you to come up with it And I don't want you to tell me any of it And then at certain points he Extracted certain pieces to put into the script It works so well And it fits that his drifter character Great
[00:51:43] Like you understand why Even though it is like I said A huge jump When he's just like Holy shit aliens And he starts blasting them But it makes When you hear his backstory You're like, oh it makes sense That this guy's been fucked over so many times Right
[00:51:57] That he's willing to kind of take that fight Also I just I want to point out that A big way that people Learn about this movie And it's And I know it's kind of a problematic thing Because it's South Park And it's always problematic
[00:52:12] But it's when Timmy and Jimmy Fight each other I mean like I forgot of course, yeah It's like shot by shot right It's shot by shot Yeah I think it might even be the same Is it the same length? Is it like 8 minutes or whatever In the movie
[00:52:27] Right whatever Yeah Man I forgot You know what South Park is not my show But I've certainly seen like A hundred episodes of it Just because I was a teenager When I was a teenager But Timmy's the one where you're like Wait what? You know like
[00:52:43] I've seen so much South Park We were all watching South Park But it was never really like my show But I always forget about Timmy and Jimmy I mean Jimmy They still on the show They still do it Jimmy and Jimmy They're still on the show
[00:52:56] Jimmy's very funny He's a stand up The Jimmy stand up thing always works for me I gotta watch that I gotta watch that sometime Anyway sorry And like it's undeniably problematic That's called Cripple Fight is the episode And it's so I mean like
[00:53:10] In the way that South Park is problematic I'm just saying there's no way around it But I'm saying that is where a lot of people Learned about this movie You watch that as a teenager And it's so specific you go
[00:53:22] This has to be some joke that I'm not getting Right like there's something To the way that this sequence is designed That has to be referencing something bigger I texted my father Because I wanted to confirm My memory that Roddy was his number one guy
[00:53:38] Of the 80s because David I know you were asking Sort of like what his thing was And my dad said 100% I said can you put in a one sentence What you liked about the guy And he said he could turn an artistically Insulting phrase
[00:53:50] Before his opponent knew what hit him Wow That part of it was Like the poetry of this guy Right so even if like Hogan Or Andre the Jiner Where it was more physically imposing Roddy was just great in the With his dialogue, with his character All that stuff
[00:54:08] And that there was a soul to him Like I mean He's a blue collar guy He just has that resonating off him Yeah definitely The way I remember hearing about this movie For the first time is my father Making some reference to it
[00:54:20] And I said what are you talking about He went you know there's a movie He might have said the line He might have said I'm here to kick ass And shoot bubble gum I'm all out of bubble gum I said what's that He said that's from They Live
[00:54:30] I said what is that And he said it's a movie in which 80s wrestler Roddy Rowdy Rowdy Roddy Piper Wear sunglasses that show him Who on earth are aliens And you just go like How is that a thing What are you talking about Right but that just like
[00:54:49] Burned into my brain of like That's a movie and he was like Junk Carpenter made it And I was like a serious person made that It's like the Bart vs. the Space Mutants Video game did anyone ever play Bart vs. the Space Mutants
[00:55:02] Where you put on the sunglasses You see the aliens back Yeah you're right that's the same premise That game is dog shit But yeah it's the same thing It came after They Live So it's fully ripping off They Live I just had to check For sure Yeah
[00:55:18] Can I tell you my deep thought about The fight Please Yes I mean it's not that deep But I'm sure many people have made this point Well you just told us it's a deep thought So we're expecting a pretty serious level of depth here Manch
[00:55:31] It's I mean it's deep for me How does that change at all Yeah okay Adjusted It was long Yoook Is that what you want from me Sure went on In a movie that's about like class and the haves And the have nots
[00:55:52] It's I think a very intentional thing That a white man and a black man are fighting Especially for so long Like I think there might be something to the reason That the fight is as long as it is Between two different races While they're fighting
[00:56:07] Instead of fighting the real enemy Which is these kind of this These elite Like this elite class And I think that I And in my mind I'm like Of course that's intentional on It's gotta be and then maybe he'd hear this And be like no it was just
[00:56:21] I liked the action of the fight or whatever But in my head that's That's what it's all about is And they're fighting over garbage Like they're fighting over Garbage in an alleyway Yes So much garbage Yeah it's a I mean I really like after the fight
[00:56:37] Cause yeah he definitely It definitely feels like they're trying to show This pan-racial group of Oppressed people Like you know in the encampment it's like You know it's everyone's kind of Represented in the same sort of miserable state So like but
[00:56:57] What I like about that fight scene is In the aftermath Like the fight scene is awesome But the aftermath just like where the both Of the two of them are just sort of playing The regret of having like Fuck we shouldn't have spent ten minutes
[00:57:11] Beating the living shit out of each other As they're like making their way to their hotel room It's just so great and it just And also like you just Like they really just feel so beaten down Like it felt like like you watch them go through it
[00:57:23] And the aftermath it feels like they Invade that They look like shit When they were in the hotel it looked like shit And by the way he's Roddy is credited as Nada Which is Spanish for nothing Which so obviously there's a lot of
[00:57:38] The class stuff going on there But why did you think my point was pretty deep Did you like it? I thought it was pretty I thought your initial point that it was long Was maybe a little better but I mean we can double background To other stuff
[00:57:55] But I feel like while we're here Let's just spend a solid Unbroken five and a half minutes talking about the fight What David? No I completely agree with you I was about to say I mean my favorite thing that JJ found is the
[00:58:08] The screenplay had a blank page That just said the fight And then the next page said The fight continues One page that's all it said And then the next page said The fight continues Like that it's such a funny idea That's great And his thing was that like
[00:58:25] Well I used to love in westerns where like Two guys would just punch each other for three minutes I've always wanted to do one of those in a movie The quiet man is his big inspiration I have not seen the quiet man I have not either
[00:58:36] Apparently there's a knock down drag out fight In that one I guess Right I think it was like He was ticking a bunch of boxes at the same time I agree with you Mitch that I think ultimately He backed up into that deeper meaning behind the fight
[00:58:48] But I think he was like A I've always wanted to do one of these in a movie Just have a good fucking fist fight Go on for too long Two big dudes Two just big old dudes They're the right people I have a fucking professional wrestler
[00:59:04] And I have a fucking Keith David Who's done like movement and dance training at Juilliard They're both going to be able to get this choreography down And it's also like This is part of what was supposed to be a four picture deal
[00:59:18] Where he could get whatever movie he wanted Greenlit off of a one sentence synopsis But the budgets were like capped at three million dollars I think this one went a little bit over But it's essentially the same thing as Prince of Darkness
[00:59:32] He pitched something very simple to a live films And they approved it And he got three million dollars to make it Right and his pitch was probably the same thing my dad said to me Of like guy puts on sunglasses realizes there are aliens among us You know
[00:59:46] And like as to why he casted WWE guy It's like I think that's the level of like Movie star he could play with at this point in time You know it's like The biggest name he could get is someone who
[00:59:59] I think creatively he wanted him for other reasons But I also think he's in a budget cap at this point Where the biggest name he could get is someone who is famous But not respected as an actor You know and try to make him into a movie star
[01:00:15] But it should have happened That's the thing that annoys me It absolutely should have happened I think that was just I mean you look at how many more chances Hogan got around this same time period And it never really stuck
[01:00:28] And he had all of the machinery behind him And obviously I think he was just Less neatly built for movies Than Roddy was perhaps But I do think there was I don't know if the American public was ever going to accept
[01:00:44] A former wrestler as a legitimate movie star At this point in time When the Rocker did it It was seen as like holy fucking shit He bridged the gap Yeah Right And it was a sillier time for wrestling Not to say that's bad or whatever
[01:01:01] But it was like a more day glow kind of look The WWF Sure, yeah, no I get that Like we said he was playing bagpipes and stuff But I do think that The fight as long as it is It's like there's nothing that's that crazy
[01:01:19] I mean like there's the one where they go There's one move where they go up against a wall And it's cool and they fall backwards But besides like punching someone And not stopping which is always crazy in a fight Is that it doesn't look that crazy
[01:01:33] And there's also a great moment Where Roddy tries to hit Keytapin in the groin And he goes dirty motherfucker And it's such a great moment Because they're just like fighting fair before that And then he breaks this rule And Keytapin gets all mad at him
[01:01:51] And it feels real It feels like a very real moment too You look at the setup of the fight Which is there Roddy has just fallen out of a garbage truck He's literally just fallen out of the backside Of a garbage truck
[01:02:08] Then this dude who he was friends with For like a day Comes and finds him in this alley Throws a wad of money at him Giving him at this point to be a mass murderer Right? Someone who just had a psychotic break Essentially And started wantonly killing strangers
[01:02:27] But he still has enough sort of like We're in the shit together Respect for the guy You know the feel The need to look out for the common man Who is being ignored by everyone else That he meets him in this fucking alley
[01:02:40] To throw money at him and walk away And Roddy covered in trash Holding cheap plastic sunglasses is like You gotta put these things on And Keith David immediately goes to 100 And is like, fuck you I'm not putting those on my face And he's like here put them on
[01:02:56] And then it's immediately punch Right? Like it's like so quickly A full on fist fight Is broken out over I don't want to put these on I don't want to wear these sunglasses I refuse I understand that there's the larger implication Of him being like
[01:03:12] I don't want to get involved in your shit I'm not part of this I'm not a co-conspirator I gotta stay clean But it is funny that there's just Five minutes of him going I don't want to wear these sunglasses And then punching again
[01:03:27] Well and to add to that too It's like Earlier in the movie A woman pushed him out a window Yes, right Like and he fell three stories That's how much characters Don't want to wear the fucking sunglasses People really don't Really don't want to try those on
[01:03:47] That fall out the window is like a thing That I don't like when I watched it I was like, oh yeah But she smashes him on the head with the glass And then pushes him out the fucking window And it's such a That's such a crazy moment
[01:04:00] He's just getting his ass kicked Over and over again at this point And he like Doesn't he like sleeps like in a gutter That night too He's just getting And maybe that's why Keith David Feels so bad for him He knows that he's just fucking
[01:04:13] Getting his ass handed to him Over and over again Yeah, it makes sense that it's just like Like hey I'm trying to help you But I can't be in your life And you're being a fucking weirdo And making trying to put these trash Coverage sunglasses on my face
[01:04:26] Like get away from me Like that sets him off The Keith David line I love in this Is when they're circling each other He's just like not this year Yeah, that's so fucking good It's so good I just like beyond the fact that they're
[01:04:37] Like two relatively normal looking guys That like Roddy is as jacked As any normal person could be Without you wondering how many hours a day Do you spend in the gym, right? Yeah Like he's right at that breaking point It is the rare fight scene
[01:04:57] That moves at like the speed of a real fight With the little breathers Yeah, definitely A guy punches a guy He like takes the punch He recovers Then he throws a punch and responds They're not like sort of like You know martial art in each other No
[01:05:16] And then the other There's a break There's even like a moment where They have these breathers Because as the fight goes on They're both exhausted And in pain Like I think that fights never do Which is Oh the damage accumulates Like usually fights ramp up
[01:05:33] And people become more and more super powered The longer the fight goes on And it's like by the end of it It's so sloppy And it's taking all their energy To like sort of like Side swipe the other guy It's great And to Wag's point
[01:05:48] They are just like both men Wag's like how you were saying Like wow that's like a man So the reason that like when they fight Like that it makes sense to me Because I'm like alright yeah Maybe these two men like have This is like
[01:06:00] They've annoyed each other And they have to fight Like in my mind it works Because they're both such Alphas that I'm like yeah This is probably what would happen They're tough fucking guys Who live on the edge Like they're doing what it takes to survive
[01:06:12] The break moment where they sort of like Regroup and they're catching their breath And they're helping each other up And then Roddy's like But seriously put on these sunglasses Yeah And then they just go back into the fight Yeah there's a point where Keith David's
[01:06:27] About to stop the sunglasses And it's genuinely like oh shit Don't break the glass Your heart's in your mouth Your heart stops When he does that Yeah yeah yeah I pulled up the dialogue Because the knot this year is actually in response to Nottis says
[01:06:40] I'm giving you a choice Either put on these glasses Or start eating that trash can Which was referenced earlier And then Keith David replies Not this year Right other years He has eaten a trash can But this time he will not The other thing The other quote here
[01:06:56] This is from Roddy Talking about why he got cast in the movie And it speaks to some of what we're saying here He said Well John Carpenter watch me wrestle at the Silver Dome And supposedly Hollywood doesn't have any real men Yeah
[01:07:12] But then in that same interview he said I'm not really acting in this film And I think that's the key to why it seems to be working When I met John at WrestleMania 3 He was looking for a real live person
[01:07:22] Who had experienced life rather than some pretty boy Who had gone to acting school for two years To learn how to imitate crispy bacon I think speaking to the common acting exercise Where they make students lie on the floor And pretend that they're bacon sizzling on a pan
[01:07:38] This is like a very widespread acting conservatory thing But Roddy said let's face it I've been on the street since I was 13 Had been a professional fighter since 15 Had been electrocuted once And stabbed three times
[01:07:52] John could see that I had experienced with the character of John Nata required So he incorporated those things into the film And since the character was essentially me Who better to play him Like there's just the fucking tenacity You feel that you can't really fake
[01:08:06] I just put myself on tape for bacon The other day And I hope I get it You're hoping you get bacon I'm hoping I get bacon For compensation This is the other quote I love from Piper He was asked what is your assessment of your acting skills
[01:08:28] And he said I'd say I'm somewhere between George C. Scott and Rintin Tin One thing I can tell you is I'll never do a fellow The guy just has one-liners for dates He's so damn charming Right But then like Keith David
[01:08:45] He obviously worked with him on the thing Which is his first movie That is Keith David's debut That's insane Because we are pumping up Roddy and we should This doesn't work without Keith And what a genius movie by Carpenter Apparently it was just
[01:09:01] Keith David came to the Prince of Darkness premiere Is that what it is, Griff? Keith came to the Prince of Darkness premiere And he looked so good He looked great, Carpenter's like wait a second He's right here This guy looks fucking awesome That rules
[01:09:17] I decided he was Frank Luckily he wanted to do the parts off we went This guy just showed up and he was looking like a fucking snack Man, damn I mean he does look great And he looks like he could hold his own against Roddy Which is
[01:09:32] That is the other thing he said He's a fabulous actor There's a quality about him which is warm and wonderful He's a big guy and I needed a big guy to fight Roddy I need someone who wouldn't be a traditional sidekick But could hold his own
[01:09:44] Which makes sense They're so good together I think what you made about sort of like The racial Makeup of this duo is important Because I do think this movie is sort of about Like Among other things, right? Everyone's resistance to where the sunglasses is
[01:10:02] It's so much easier to not have to look at the reality Of these things, right? Like it is so much easier To even if you have not Gone along with the aliens To not put up a fight against it And to not have
[01:10:16] To acknowledge the reality of what's going on Right under your nose But the other thing is Fighting the wrong people You know? The people at the bottom fighting each other There's this scene at the beginning Which is when they like bond for the first time
[01:10:32] And Keith David opens up About like He's got a wife and kids in Detroit He hasn't seen them in six months Like the guys gave the fucking steel mill A break and then the steel mill Took raises and fired everyone And shut everything down
[01:10:48] He like opens up in this big way And then he has his whole thing where he says Like the whole deal is like some kind of crazy game They put you at the starting line And the name of the game is to make it through life
[01:10:58] Only everyone's out for themselves And looking to do you in at the same time Okay man, here we are You do what you can but remember I'm gonna do my best to blow your ass away So how are you gonna make it?
[01:11:10] And that's like this guy just fucking sees Life as much as he doesn't want to wear the sunglasses He understands How fucked the entire system is And then in red Like in comparison Pre-sunglasses not as response At that point his direct response
[01:11:26] To that line is I deliver a hard day's work For my money I just want the chance It'll come I believe in America I follow the rules Everyone's got their own hard times these days Like at the beginning he's just absolutely like Does not feel burned by reality
[01:11:40] He's like look I'm going through a bad run I don't deserve this But if I do everything right It will all balance out And Keith David gives him a look that speaks volumes Of just like you're fucking white Right, yeah Without having to
[01:11:56] Yeah in a movie that's very blunt Doesn't have to spell it out Right whether or not you're ever gonna get the chance That you think you will The mere fact that you believe you are entitled to that And it is inevitable Is a luxury that I don't have
[01:12:10] Right And then he finds sunglasses and he realizes that Keith David was right Well it also makes the end of the movie so tragic Which by the way The female lead whose name escapes me But Gryffindor or Sims I'm sure you can Meg Foster
[01:12:26] Evil Lynn in the Masters of the Universe movie Meg Foster who's great She uh It's funny that Nada is so quick And then when you look at her You know She's actually like a super Very cool And you know And she's like She's like a super Super Super
[01:12:51] Super Super Super Super Super Super Super Super Super Super Super Super kidnapped her. Let's let's see. Yeah, he kidnapped her. He kidnapped her. And I think that's a I think that's probably part of it but I think there's it's also like she shows up at the resistance
[01:13:15] meeting and she's like you know when she's she his whole thing he's trying to get people to look through the sunglasses she's looked through the sunglasses and she's like I didn't know you
[01:13:25] know so I did to me I kind of bought that he's like okay now we've got another ally we need we need all the help we can get and yeah also I kind of owe this woman something but I wonder
[01:13:35] she was a mole from the start. Yeah, I actually kind of wonder if she already knew before the sunglasses. I think it's entirely possible. Yeah, you can't tell I mean like that that meeting
[01:13:46] gets sabotaged so like they come in and so you're wondering if someone did it and yeah she does she is bad in the end it turns out so and and she's the kind of person who would be a human
[01:13:58] collaborator which is you know what this whole system relies on is that they need like you know these the high status actual humans to help the aliens take over the system. But the resistance
[01:14:10] needs her as well because she's right access to a broader means of communication getting their message out I mean it's a very advantageous relationship for them to have I mean there's the earlier scene where Nada sees you know the weirdness happening at the church at four o'clock
[01:14:29] in the morning and asks the guy about it and he sort of brushes it off as like oh a choir you know with late night choir we can't tell him when to leave or whatever and then when they finally
[01:14:39] show up with the sunglasses in the basement everyone's like ah we are hoping you guys would come around you know like there was no attempt to recruit them and I think there's such an uneasiness with everyone in this universe but like they're hoping that they would organically
[01:14:55] find their way there which I guess is also what happens with the Meg Foster character. You also have to factor in like up until that point of the movie we are not really seeing women
[01:15:06] on screen this is such a dude heavy movie there obviously some women at the the encampment but like not of prominence right and most of this movie is these two dudes so when like a guy shows up
[01:15:20] in you know a garage like a parking lot with a gun you're sort of for the first time acknowledging the like everyday threat of violence against women in our society right through this character
[01:15:35] like we've seen these guys on the skids but here's like a well-dressed woman of means in a position in the media who still has to deal with at any point in time the threat of is a guy
[01:15:45] gonna come out with a gun and assault me in one way or another um where I because he does he does like shoot women before but you see them as aliens and you don't see them as yeah yeah
[01:15:56] you know that but she doesn't know that um I do think you know her opposition to him makes a lot of sense consider the fact that he does truly kidnap her sure yes and that right there's there's
[01:16:10] sort of that lack of sunglasses to be able to tell anyone's motivations at that moment what's the line she has when she's being held hostage in her apartment it's like uh in her home it's like
[01:16:21] it's he says I'm sorry and she's like you're not sorry you have two guns I wish I'd written it down something like that yeah let me find that it's good uh yes no you have two guns you're not
[01:16:30] sorry you're in charge yes that's right yeah she also makes a phone call there too I believe the alien so I think she was maybe even working with the aliens at this point but griff you're just talking
[01:16:41] about that makes like uh it makes me think of another thing in that if this movie came out around the same time the matrix did or something this would be like a big no no
[01:16:54] Columbine type movie where you see a guy go into a bank and just blow people away with the shotgun I mean like violence even then and then also in like just seeing him go down a hallway
[01:17:05] like a workspace blowing people away later too I'm like oh this is crazy to look at this sure through the two 2021 lens I mean Carpenter's gone out of his way to disown this as uh
[01:17:19] aggressively as he possibly can but this movie much like the matrix getting co-opted by the worst people who deliberately misread its intent this movie has been reclaimed by a lot of anti-Semites who believe it's about Jews controlling the media and the need to violently resist
[01:17:36] oh man which uh sucks yeah when you were gonna talk about your deeper point earlier I was worried you were gonna go there so well who there's so many alien invasion movies are about
[01:17:56] our are about us uniting as a people to resist invasion right and like patriotic and they have a stirring quality and they're sort of like hey we you know at least we're all humans and we
[01:18:09] can find like commonality in that and like this is the carpenter quote I love where he's basically telling you know the whole movie obviously it's just about like our country is brain dead you know
[01:18:21] in the Reagan age basically starting with Dixon but like by this point all our brains are cooked but his whole thing is like the threat and they live is not that the aliens want to eat our
[01:18:30] bones they want to own all our businesses yeah and a universal executive said to him what's the threat in that we all settle out every day and jargon was like I'm putting that
[01:18:40] line in the movie like that's wow that's that's the exact point of trying to make is that success you know everyone just has defined success by wealth at this point and so it's very easy for
[01:18:53] the aliens to take us over because they just give us money basically that same interview he says the real threat is that we lose our humanity we don't care anymore about the homeless
[01:19:03] we don't care about anything as long as we make money money is our god like that's laying it out pretty much as cleanly as possible it's not like critics absolutely dismiss this movie at the time
[01:19:13] I know there are critics who stood up for it at the time you know but like it is so infuriating now I want to like look up what like you know was like winning Oscars in 1988 well yeah please
[01:19:23] do but I found a Janet Maslin quote where she was like once again John Carpenter digging in his backyard with a plastic shovel and gets about as deep as he always does like there was this attitude
[01:19:36] yeah that's why you're working girl which is a movie I enjoy watching and actually you know and has a bit of uh you know double-edged message where it's like yeah it's a Cinderella
[01:19:49] story where she makes it to the top and then she's just another office worker or whatever but like but like working girl is basically like look what you want to do is get into the big city
[01:19:57] and get that money you know like that's one of the big Oscar movies of this year I feel like I'm dissing working girl now I mean this is the same year that Rain Man wins right and is the
[01:20:06] highest grossing comments here it's the Rain Man year yes and I know like that movie subverts Cruz's persona a little bit but like Cruz is the dominant movie star of this moment and he is
[01:20:20] the opposite of this like he wears sunglasses but only for aesthetic reasons and he's just like American exceptionalism in a dude who is all positivity all success money you know like status right he just wins he believes in reptiles existing around us or ghosts or some kind of
[01:20:39] crazy shit right show some respect the aliens that died in a volcano and their spirits on us right okay okay sure got it also learns the result bark for me that one yeah yeah the details of it
[01:20:53] for me I Mitch Mitch Mitch compared this to the matrix or Mitch Mitch brought up the matrix rather which was a comparison that I didn't really like I didn't really make the connection until this
[01:21:03] rewatched it is like it is kind of a similar thing of a it's not subtle it's it's you know it's it's a message that will penetrate a teenage brain and but but b it's like you you read this
[01:21:17] comparison on red pill dot net correct why no he saw it on r slash incels or yes yeah ball cells yeah I like I like black pill which is for people who tried red pill and it that didn't
[01:21:34] work so they went even further came just full nihilist so the so but but also that it that it's like it's big it's a commentary that is kind of a fantasy that our system is so cruel that American
[01:21:49] capitalism is so like vicious and just just wears people down into nubs that we have to like it's like a fantasy that this is not people doing this to each other that there is some
[01:22:01] outside force that is causing this to exist you know so it's a similar sort of thing and it is like the it's one of those things where the reality is far more depressing that these are just
[01:22:14] people who are just accumulating wealth and and smothering the the the rest of us just because they can right and the these sort of like commonly agreed upon lies that we're all living our lives by including disproportionately the people who do not benefit from those lies being upheld
[01:22:30] the message of the matrix which I love and which is sort of under discussed in a way wait a second you love the matrix I do I fucking love the matrix uh he's sim sims also sims also gave me like a
[01:22:43] course on the matrix the other day when I was watching I was watching I was like half watching two and I was like how what's the deal here and then you waited oh my god Mitch rubbed Aladdin's
[01:22:54] lamp and then Cheety came out it was just fucking posting walls of text you didn't know what you were getting into but you were like I'm watching matrix two this is kind of good am I crazy for
[01:23:06] thinking that and David was like Mitch do you want me to explain the entire movie to you because I can and I'm willing and I'm able but my main thought on matrix two is that it's so horny that
[01:23:18] was it was it was horny from one to two the horny the horny the horniness factor goes way up but I always love that's highway scene the highway scene rules sorry sims go ahead
[01:23:27] highway scene rules bunch of keys to remember rules a lot of key bunch of keys that's ben's favorite part yeah at one point Mitch mentioned the key maker and I was like well the key maker is basically
[01:23:39] like a root kit and weigher was like he said that is if that explains anything I was I was I was in it too deep but but the point of the matrix is you were offering to
[01:23:51] clarify the matrix related think about he's a root kit but you know the matrix does not end you know or the point of the matrix is not like neo is going to be able to free everyone from
[01:24:03] the matrix right because the point of the matrix is by and large humanity is happy to accept the delusion like sure they are presented sort of unconsciously with the choice and 99% of them
[01:24:15] are like yeah that's fine and cipher you know the character cipher is basically like look I've seen the real world and I plug me in I want to go back I don't I don't like it like I prefer what
[01:24:25] you guys have found for me and the the sequels you know are about that too like you know there's never going to be the tram from thing in the matrix of everyone will rise up and
[01:24:35] overthrow the machines it's same with they live like most people are just happy to live in this world like they it's not bothering them like that's that's just not going to be an
[01:24:44] issue I was gonna say it's funny to think of like joe joey pants as an actor like maybe that is him plugged back into the matrix all his roles that he's got you know what I mean like yeah right
[01:24:55] no he means a water be an actor and they're like yeah we'll get two seasons on the sopranos but you'll win an Emmy and he's like one more thing can I play a pelican in racing stripes
[01:25:09] agent smith like touches his ear and he's like yes yes we can do I know this is like a probably a hacky thing to say but it is a it is a thought that has been
[01:25:22] dominating my mind for for many many months now you got the hack kings here on with you okay the king's hacks but uh gene smart of course queen of the hacks um I uh I've been thinking increasingly about like
[01:25:40] matrix and this movie in particular right the films that are about like you get a wake into the reality of how fucked everything is the the sort of like the common delusion that we're all
[01:25:52] under and the sort of like grotesque machinery that we're actually being fed into uh and it feels like the last two years of life we're sort of like a sunglasses on unplug moment for a lot of
[01:26:07] things that we all kind of like knew or were trying to deny or sort of like we're aware of but could not really comprehend the full depth of especially just because a lot of stuff got
[01:26:19] actually put to the test like a lot of things stopped being very theoretical and and the practical threat of things became so much more real on a day-to-day basis uh I find it very hard to
[01:26:32] like take the sunglasses off now like I I watch that fucking steak scene in matrix and I'm like it's a really good pitch you know yeah like I would love to be able to just fucking eat
[01:26:44] steak again because I just feel like I walk around the streets now and I'm just like why isn't everyone screaming all the time like I just constantly feel like I'm going crazy
[01:26:56] griff this is exactly the drifter in the movie who kind of has like a suit on at the end and he's like hey fellas I'd like join the aliens that's how I feel because I do this podcast with
[01:27:07] Weigar Weigar's kind of plays that alien role and I'm like that drifter that's cashing in on the robotic side but it's it's it's worth it it's and also that character is that character is great
[01:27:20] by the way that that he's great guy he's so fun and I love that he's like a little like like he has like a little like Bugs Bunny escape or he's like later boys and he just disappears
[01:27:30] and he doesn't get there's no comeuppance for him at all he just he apparently just lives yeah we haven't touched on the teleporters which just get introduced to say oh yeah that's
[01:27:40] yeah midway through you can just zap out you just go yeah but griff give me that steak I'm with you give me this yes this was carpenter did an interview in Esquire last October right so at
[01:27:53] the fucking peak of the pandemic arguably and they asked him about his his fears of unchecked capitalism if if he is anti-capitalist because of this movie and he said oh god no are you
[01:28:10] kidding I'm a happy capitalist happy someone writes me a check I'm happy but this right when conspiracy stuff I'm not sure where it started I have no idea what the origin of that was I know a
[01:28:19] lot of that stuff started percolating after 9 11 I read the rest that quote just because I like how much of an abrupt shift that is but I do I do think that speaks to like the central
[01:28:28] concern of this movie that is the bleakest thing about this film is that ultimately the message either way you're kind of fucked right like either you can be turned on and you can be in the right
[01:28:40] and you can be fighting for like freedom you know and helping people and and you know standing against those who seek to oppress but you're probably living in a fucking like tent
[01:28:53] city and in the margins of society or you like you fucking buy in and you give into the happy life and all the creature comforts they provide for you but you got to sort of turn a blind
[01:29:04] eye to everything that's actually going on behind the curtain you know it's the whole thing about selling out like when we were kids I feel like selling out was still this sort of like horrifying
[01:29:16] notion right if you were like a cool musician or whatever you're not going to do a fucking ad for the gap like that's selling out you know you're never going to do and then like that's
[01:29:24] just shifted and is not an notion of you know any more like that a celebrity would be uncool for selling out because I guess it's partly just this kind of like look man fucking while you're
[01:29:38] alive get money and just like live people love it if you can right right get that bag there's this whole like when people are able to brag about getting a new record payday that people
[01:29:49] are celebrating right right people cheer low key selling us cars people don't give a shit anymore it's bad it is people like the marble crossovers with fucking Hyundai or whatever the fuck whatever whatever good I was going through Instagram and just just doing the endless like a soul
[01:30:11] suck of just going from story to story to story where you stop seeing the people you follow and start just getting suggested things and I got one that was like a Brie Larson in a leather jacket
[01:30:23] standing in some like generic like you know Detroit parking lot saying that she it was an ad to swipe up so you could watch the stream of the behind the scenes of the new Nissan ad she's
[01:30:41] working for so it was like an ad for the making of an ad to come cool this is this is what what account is this but it was also presented in the but this is like Brie Larson who
[01:30:55] want to fucking Oscar you know and is all about like sort of like empowerment is viewed as as sort of the anti-Christ by all these fucking whiny nerd fanboys because they think she's
[01:31:04] the most violent feminist in the world and then she's just on her own Instagram going like hey I'm really excited about this new thing we're doing with Nissan but it's like in
[01:31:13] the guise of this is just my casual opinion this isn't the ad this is me just telling you my friends a thing about the making of I want you to watch for the ad I hope you eventually like yeah
[01:31:25] griff I think I told you this but I think that any I think any A list actor who does a commercial like does commercials for the money yes should then be brought down to the
[01:31:37] level of commercial actor I don't think that they should be allowed to I think they have to then be brought down to like the same area where people who are putting themselves on tape for
[01:31:46] commercial jobs like I don't think you can get away with both of them it it and the noise is shit out of me hard agree people used to have to go to fucking Japan and be embarrassed yes right
[01:31:57] that's the premise of lost in translation yes it's it's absurd I agree and it's like you're fucking taking jobs away from Mike Carlson yeah Carlson a payday get Carlson deserves a payday
[01:32:10] how dare you a lost in translation should be the name should be translated to get that bag now it doesn't matter anymore do you think do you think they should remake lost in translation is get that
[01:32:23] bag yeah get that bag with Mike Carlson Mike Carlson should play the scarlet wall um do you guys know about this trend I don't know if it's dipped a little but I remember reading
[01:32:34] an article about this a couple years ago that like teenagers will fake having sponsored content that they will like so sad buy products and then in their do their best impression of like
[01:32:49] ad copy in their caption and then like hashtag it's sponsored because social status is so tied to whether or not you have a sponsorship even at a teen level because you have these people who just like
[01:33:04] inexplicably are being paid to hawk some new water bottle or whatever yeah and now a word from our sponsor yeah ad break and we're back so kids pretend to do that they pretend to care about
[01:33:19] these fucking products but they're not even being paid to do it like we men of integrity are right uh no it just freaks me out and it's it's like they ask the companies about this and
[01:33:31] they're like I don't know it's like free publicity what are we gonna tell tell them not to sponsor us for free that it's it's it's that's that's a great point I just what are what are they pretending
[01:33:41] to like uh that's it's a very because like it's so much of what you sell is like like anti-depressant stuff or stock or like boner pills yeah so it's funny for 16 year old kid to
[01:33:53] sell ed treatment pills or whatever the fuck they're doing but like it's weird that they want people to think that they've sold out like that is how much of the concept of selling out is
[01:34:02] a sign of success yes we're we're we're hugely successful we we hawk ed pills did you know 25 percent of men over the age of 35 I can't even remember the cop it's something like that right
[01:34:14] yeah I think the big brand is parade that kids are faking the cool underwear I mean yeah why Grona I keep blue blue chew in our lips like uh baseball players keep to back
[01:34:33] Mitch Mitch has a pale in the corner of his screen and he's just constantly spitting blue goo into the back in another lip of blue chew also he's rock hard yeah I mean that's been such a shift that's that's a I don't know it's just we're
[01:34:53] do what does the system we live under what are you supposed to do you know yeah I might be illegal because we hawk products all the time I guess so but I'm saying specifically when you're
[01:35:03] but when you're a millionaire actor if you're if you're an A list actor I think that you should be ashamed of it and you should have to go to Japan like we were saying I'm glad you
[01:35:12] don't back around to this play I just think there should be a television show where Mitch is the judge of whether or not you should be ashamed of selling out and that's how I would love this
[01:35:22] yeah I love it he rules on it and then eventually of course the show gets so big that he has to rule on himself and that's the grand finale yeah that would be that's how it ends right
[01:35:31] I can't wait to like it you're gonna rip yourself a new one but but but the the movie star thing real quick just for you know doing commercials like that's just kind of indicative
[01:35:42] it's a microcosm of just what's happened in the industry at large which is a further upward transfer of wealth and you know the the working class commercial actors of the world used to be able to like book a mcdonald's national commercial and you buy a house
[01:35:58] right and and now it's like well that's actually a buyout for a web ad and you're maybe gonna pay one month's rent off of that you know it's insane that's even if you have those opportunities
[01:36:10] anymore and you know that extends for for for the for the crews as well so it's it's a look Julia Louis Dreyfus I love I love Julia Louis Dreyfus but she never has to do a commercial
[01:36:22] ever and should never do one yes agreed it's like creatively you care about this like I did there's a there's a point where I just think money becomes so abstract and and it's a lot lower than I feel like
[01:36:39] the number that a lot of people think of if you put the glasses on though Griffin it says this is your god so that's that's how to own abstract if you just want to pop on the glasses
[01:36:50] that's my favorite one I think it's pretty good it's pretty good especially because the movies already done such a good job with the kind of like clean simple like of course this would say this
[01:37:01] right you know right and then he looks he's like takes a peek at the money and you're like all right what's it gonna say spend right like you know like something like that yeah this is
[01:37:10] so great what's the one that's like eight hours of work eight hours of play eight hours of rest yeah I think it's on a billboard right now I want to look at some of the which for me it's like
[01:37:21] one hour of work 14 hours of rest yes nine hours of play go on yes something like that might done my math wrong the best thing about the money too also is that like money is so pathetic
[01:37:37] looking if it is not a dollar bill like if it's just like a rectangle of paper white paper it's just so stupid looking so what the fuck is this it doesn't mean anything right what I what I like is the idea
[01:37:48] of there's an alien they're looking at the magazine so I'm like is the alien looking at like obey like is he just checking on like is he reading he because he's looking at the magazine reading
[01:37:58] the magazine is he looking at is he like flipping through the pages and I love this one obey or yeah like yeah what does he see through his eyes agree with that I don't know I always I always just
[01:38:09] thought like a lot of this was theater a lot of this is just them pretending to be like we've got to act like humans to integrate ourselves into society and ultimately take it over right there's a whole
[01:38:20] other movie about them where it's like do some of you actually like being humans like why are you having sex with someone did you just kind of get into being a human is it all performance
[01:38:28] like what's your life like you know yeah there's there's hype there's gotta be there must be alien human hybrids too I mean that which uh which wasn't that wasn't there a tv series it wasn't alien nation
[01:38:40] wasn't there kind of like an alien nation is an alien who works with the cops I don't think he's a hybrid but there are certainly but alien nation there's there are aliens among us right
[01:38:50] like okay or they are like there's no humans and aliens fucking I mean I'm sure they I don't know yeah yeah right um do you think they're nudie mags just say masturbate on every page
[01:39:02] and then like the fold out it's just masturbate but it's like stretched out it's like master yeah and then you get to the final page and it says climax right and then there are a couple
[01:39:14] pages interspersed that say pretend to read this article uh no I mean it I think the lack of subtlety to this movie is key because like have you guys seen malignant were we talking about malignant
[01:39:31] in the text thread was this why the CGI thing came up Mitch saw it and I believe loved it I almost I I do I kind of think malignant is genius in a way like I we we are pro malignant here yeah we all
[01:39:45] like malignant I think and I do think I do think malignant is one of the movies where I'm like oh and a lot of his movies too where it's just like oh the CGI works and it's it's arguably again
[01:39:56] not even a scary movie I don't want to give it away but but but no but it's it's very entertaining right yeah it's not a movie that I was I went to bed being like at all like I just had a fun time
[01:40:08] I I just Dave and I were talking about this recently but like uh I went to see malignant in the theaters doing my duty as a ticket-buying American and then in the bathroom afterwards
[01:40:21] there were these two young dudes and they were just like railing on the movie they were like he should just retire like bro you make a movie like that you're done you don't get to make a movie ever
[01:40:31] again just retire and then the other guy said well he can't retire because nobody even knows who he is and I'm like this dude's directed three billion dollar movies he's created three of the most
[01:40:44] successful horror franchises in history like but but anyway then the guy says like and it's just like watching that movie you can tell just like no effort like this director put in no effort into
[01:40:57] this and it's like the the swipe you can throw at that movie is that there's too much effort put into everything like that everything in that movie is over cranked but I think it
[01:41:06] speaks to the way that people watch things where it's like that is a movie that is fucking ridiculous and it announces it's ridiculous with its opening scene where like a character
[01:41:15] there's like a quick fucking zoom into her face and she says the insane thing right down the barrel and there's like a haunted hospital that looks like Arkham Asylum and shit like that movie's
[01:41:27] telling you how to watch it and I think similarly they live is like we're going to be very very silly and broad in the necessary places in terms of not even beginning to answer how do these aliens
[01:41:42] function is this theater why do they do any of this why do these sunglasses work you know like because it's you're getting bogged down in the shit that doesn't matter like he has a he wants to make something that's entertaining and the best way to make it entertaining
[01:41:58] and keep it within a fleet footed 94 minutes is to just very cleanly state all of your themes right all of your interests all of your your sort of like I don't know topics at the beginning
[01:42:14] of the movie as cleanly as possible so that you can just go along for the ride and then I think this is a movie that people have certainly come around to but at the time people were like I
[01:42:23] get it I get it 100% griff you know I mean you that was very well said I think it's never really tonally confused it knows what it is and if you're going into it thinking it's something different
[01:42:35] than that's on you like just like Malignant I went into Malignant thinking it was a certain type of movie and then as I was watching I was like oh wasn't the movie I expected all and I
[01:42:45] love it it's crazy right you adjust like you pick up on the cues of what it's telling you yeah that's those those two how old were those two kids because I do want to kick their asses
[01:42:56] yeah they were in their 20s I think you can kick their asses I think it's fair game you're not in like a Zach Braff situation here if you go after them but it is like I just I think it's
[01:43:08] interesting like I've seen it with other movies that have come out uh this year and in recent years or whatever certainly movies that like David and I defend and people go like what the
[01:43:20] are you talking about that movie's corny like we will wax rhapsodic about how much we love something and people are allowed to disagree with us we're fucking morons we we like what we like
[01:43:31] whatever right I'm sorry I'm a moron David's very smart and very big and very special I mean use moron sorry but but but like the retort I'll often hear from people who dislike a movie that
[01:43:44] we love is are you insane that movie's bad it's like badly written and stupid and bad is this me on the text chain saying this yes I'm sorry I'm sorry for calling you out in this way
[01:43:57] but but like I there are people who disagree with us eloquently but I also see people who just clearly hit some roadblock with like the pitch or the tone of a movie the broadness of
[01:44:09] it the lack of subtlety to it you know whatever how could you say that is good it's so you know so obviously clicked some like you know box in my head that's like not allowed like a movie can't do that
[01:44:22] it is possible that you guys like old because the dialogue is bad and the dialogue is bad because no one speaks like that in real life that's a conclusive argument you guys are wrong right
[01:44:31] and I'm just like well he's not concerned with that and if that if that like stresses you out to watch it's too irritating for you then that's fine but like everything is a form of stylization
[01:44:43] you know right like hyper realism is not actually real it is a form of stylization and real life is weird and oftentimes very heightened genre things are more capable of expressing an actual
[01:44:56] reality through their odd lens than a thing that's aiming to be naturalistic and I do think like as we've been doing this run of these carpenter films this run of the last whatever you said it was
[01:45:08] David 10 or 11 that are like movies basically that are that all arguably uh fucking uh uh just rule right and all have only aged better with time I do think there's something to the fact that even
[01:45:26] when like a movie like this uh or let's say big trouble which is arguably like his silliest movie there is a sort of um uh classical style that he employs where he is so in control of tone
[01:45:42] that especially now with like an audience that's been trained on the movies that have come in the 40 years since carpenter you know have been conditioned to understand how to read his movies by the filmmakers who grew up on his movies and have like continued his tropes and
[01:45:57] what have you that his movies are very uh easy to click into like they're they're they're they don't have the sort of like obvious bad overacting that a lot of like 80s action or horror movies have
[01:46:12] you know the dialogue is more sort of like um I don't know grounded and and emotionally rooted you know I mean he stays away from a lot of cliches things like that that I think
[01:46:26] I'm not saying this is a negative against him but it does feel like he fits into the binary of how people are able to understand genre films which is it is presenting itself to me with a serious enough
[01:46:37] face and the exact amount of tongue in chic that I can tolerate I never I never I never want to break down like a movie for like you know I never want to break down a movie between genders
[01:46:50] or anything like that but do you think this is a movie that does appeal to do is this like a dude movie in a lot of ways or or or do you like I'm afraid of the of the bro of the bro label on this
[01:47:02] but I don't even think bros do like this movie I think this is like such a strange I don't think so it's weirdly not sort of badass enough in a way or the like overall message isn't it you know
[01:47:15] this is not a movie that I ever really knew like my college buds to be into or even like when I think of bros I think of like you know there was just like in college like there were seven boys who
[01:47:27] lived in a house together and it was basic it was the most disgusting place in the world like they it was everything bad was there right like it was just these seven
[01:47:40] raging hormonal 20 year old boys who like played rugby and shit and so and like they did not like throw on they live all the time like I think they live is weirdly too pointed to have like that kind
[01:47:53] of fun with right like it's kind of a sort of bleak pessimistic movie it's funny and it's like it's clever and it's sort of witty but it's also it's kind of you know cold-eyed about like
[01:48:07] you know the world we live in yeah it's not fight club it's maybe it's me it's maybe just a little too weird yeah it's it's it's it's just a little too weird and too offbeat and and too you know
[01:48:19] too low budget feeling maybe but but I don't know like I always thought of this this is more of like a nerd culture movie than than like a bro movie right I think the greater risk is the thing
[01:48:30] we've already acknowledged which is like the wrong type of conspiracy theorists using this movie to back up their their pre-existing beliefs but but I also this movie I believe it takes half an hour
[01:48:42] before he puts the sunglasses on like that's another thing that I prevent I think prevents it from becoming a toxic bro movie in that sense of like you have to watch 30 minutes of two kind
[01:48:51] of sad broken men living in skid row you know and like really kind of just like the everyday struggles of these guys like being under the boot of life and then it's 30 minutes of you
[01:49:04] know ostensibly him like kicking ass and taking names but with an odd rhythm I mean you have him like you know blowing up people at this uh you know bank after like yelling at people in a supermarket
[01:49:17] but then there's a six minute fist fight out of a garbage truck you know and like he kidnaps a woman in the middle of that in the last half an hour essentially is like well now we finally
[01:49:27] joined the resistance but even at that point as we've said the whole thing is like kind of haunted there's like a pessimism to what you can actually accomplish in this movie that I think yeah there's not a lot of winning you're 100 percent I mean just the ending of
[01:49:43] it alone when you think about what has happened I like I said Keith David just gets blasted and then and then Roddy dies and so you're like it is it is a bleak ending and you're like was
[01:49:55] that worth it they do show the world the aliens or whatever but even just going back to the the homeless encampment thing that Yix was talking about that whole scene just unfolds and kind of the
[01:50:04] nightmarish way that you think it would unfold where they're going like a bunch of cops around like this church and then suddenly a bulldozer just takes the turn and then and starts taking down this encampment and they're like oh no they're taking down everything else too it's
[01:50:20] not just about this church it's just like it just slowly unfolds into everyone getting fucked over yeah and then at the end the the blind priest is surrounded by cops and he's fucked
[01:50:31] and it's just kind of like I thought that scene worked so well it's just kind of hauntingly slowly fucking unfolds into a nightmare scenario and it's yeah it's it's so difficult to watch it's so it's so violent without being bloody uh just you know the inhumanity behind it
[01:50:50] and also the movie makes a point of saying that like most of the cops are human right so you know it's it's making a point about you know the this is these are a bunch of class traders as well who
[01:51:00] are who are basically facilitating this um yeah I don't know I I really do like the point about uh Griffin just about about how when something's earnest and unsubtle a lot of people just rebel
[01:51:13] against that you know I see he's in video games with Hideo Kojima who you know made the Metal Gear Solid games and most recently Death Stranding which is just like a just the most genius
[01:51:22] work about about quarantine um but like he's very he's very he's not subtle at all like everything's with a with pay everything's played with a heavy hand and a lot of people are just like this is
[01:51:34] stupid like this is dumb and I don't know I I don't know why where that reaction comes from I guess probably me when I was younger maybe might have had a little bit more of a cynical take towards
[01:51:45] some of this stuff but I but I don't know I love I love earnestness I love uh I love an absence of subtlety just yeah I think some of it is this weird cringe culture thing of like
[01:51:57] you know the the effort is off-putting to people sure you know if if you're making a point too empathetically too loudly whatever but I also just feel increasingly I just like I don't I
[01:52:10] don't give a shit like is is the thing working in the way it's intended to am I entertained in the way it's it's attempting to uh is it conveying the points to me do I think the points have any insight
[01:52:23] you know like I don't really care how you get there I also think the more extreme a concept is the broader you often have to paint with a brush to just get us in the door
[01:52:33] sure because it's like if a movie takes place in the fucking real world and it's about two people in an apartment building or whatever you don't have to spend any time getting us adjusted to that
[01:52:42] reality you know if a movie is about aliens taking over then maybe you just have to say these sunglasses for whatever reason work and if you put them on you see the messages and the
[01:52:52] messages are very overt I mean the other thing though is like you know the magic of John Carpenter's he makes this shit look easy but it's not like I couldn't write a 90 minute movie that got this much across and was entertaining like but he makes it look
[01:53:11] like just sort of the simplest thing that's true of so many of these hits of his and this long run we're covering here like the simplicity is part of the magic but you know that's a skill
[01:53:24] like and I would say the stuff we have coming up Griffin because this is the end of his run yeah it does get kind of more baroque and strange and lost in its own you know like and we'll talk
[01:53:37] about the movie specifically it's not like they're all bad but it is interesting how his kind of like punchiness is sort of gone come the 90s and I'm not sure why that is I was gonna say there's
[01:53:49] a shout out on the TV at the end I think what I mean maybe right maybe during the sex scene with the aliens where he where they mentioned like the movies of George Romero yeah the movies
[01:54:00] of George Romero and I think he says and John Carpenter and John Carpenter yeah he gives himself a shout out just getting dissed it's like all sex and violence has gone too far on screen and
[01:54:10] fed up with it and and the name of that show is no independent thought or that's at least what the logo is revealed to be with the sunglasses what what what if I if I had the sunglasses
[01:54:21] on and I looked at the blank check uh the blank check on on apple on apple iPod uh what a god I should know this apple podcasts yeah the little blank check square what would be there instead
[01:54:35] it would say the one guy talks too much and the other guy sounds exasperated by dick pills that's what it would say die by dick pills your dick soft get I think ours would mine ours would maybe just say man escaped likes man escaped who do
[01:54:52] boys just say man escaped uh I don't know how much I have to say on this so I hesitate to even bring this in as a big subject but I do think it's interesting this movie uh in relation to
[01:55:04] Prince of Darkness which I don't know if you do boys have seen uh but was the episode right before this for us I've never seen it I've seen it yeah I like it a lot is a movie that takes place almost
[01:55:14] entirely in the basement of a church where they realize this like tube that they've been this giant cylinder that they've been uh devoting their life and generations of clergymen to protecting is actually contains the antichrist like it contains the antimatter that is the
[01:55:32] opposite of God and that's a movie about like the institution of you can say a church but like the church uh upholding this thing that they actually realize is is wrong you know they're protecting
[01:55:47] the wrong thing they have no understanding of what they're actually building their life around but it is a movie that also in its own weird way confirms the existence of a higher power which is sort of surprising for carpenter because he seems like a largely agnostic guy
[01:56:04] and then this movie oddly is like has this incredibly positive church in it you know this this thing that is right more of like a socially redistributive church like what why are people going into this basement and it's socially redistributive but also it's like they're
[01:56:21] the ones who are correct they are the only people who have the right message and are spreading it and are doing something about it and are helping society and helping the downtrodden they're just interesting films to be right next to each other especially considering they were like
[01:56:34] funded in the same way from the same company I agree that that's interesting and I also think if you said that to John Carpenter he'd be like I don't know it's just easy to get churches
[01:56:42] to film them I don't have any larger takeaway from what his feelings are but it's interesting that these two movies are next to each other that's all I want to say box office no it's
[01:56:54] interesting this is a great box office game griff we've never talked it's like it's just a weird one guys if you don't remember we're gonna talk about the week this movie came out which was
[01:57:04] November 4th 1988 doing the show for almost seven years now it's so nice when we get a clean box office game we've never got it's a clear one griff and open number one wow it opened number
[01:57:16] one yeah it's so bizarre to think about this movie no opening number one in 1988 as Reagan is finishing his second term and George HW Bush is about to like fucking win 40 states absolutely and this movie that's just so harshly critical of Reaganism is like tops of the box
[01:57:32] office how many confused parents must have been in the audience right I don't know it's like a movie with a wrestler holding a gun shooting at aliens like right right they're going in
[01:57:42] expecting a simple fun time I mean right sure this movie was not a huge success or anything but you know cost three million bucks made like 13 so like you know everyone's happy I think basically
[01:57:54] which is so it's funny to and big home video hit and which is the whole point yeah yeah so they live number one is new this week another movie that's new this week is a concert movie a
[01:58:05] notorious concert movie opening number two is it which is go ahead Madonna truth or dare no it is a concert movie that kind of ruined the band's reputation it was kind of like when
[01:58:18] they jumped the shark a little bit and they had to like sort of retreat for a while and have a big comeback album after this but like this is when everyone got sick of them
[01:58:29] it's a band I like Ben thinks I'm lame for liking them they are absolutely king kings of the 80s I mean huge 80s band they're an 80s band that you love and Ben thinks you're dark what is it
[01:58:43] been well I'll give you a hint they have beards but all but not all of them no it's not ZZ top but as much as you do like to rag on me for liking ZZ top stinks right two episodes Nick
[01:58:58] you how dare you incorrectly I did hide ZZ top come out of there that's like some tired ass dad rock yeah exactly you think you're talking to in a parking lot with your fucking hot rod Ben I am a tired
[01:59:11] ass dad exactly he's a dad he doesn't sleep all right Ben don't put down my doppelgangers like that if both the ZZ top guys move merged into one person you get Mitch I
[01:59:30] is it kiss with the kiss of a content movie it's an ease band this kind of fucked up their reputation they had to come back from this all right well I'll say this and it begins with the the lead
[01:59:43] singer it begins I think or one of what I'm not sure if it's the absolute first song but they do a cover of Helter Skelter and the lead singer says like Charles Manson took this song
[01:59:54] from the Beatles and we're taking it back which people hated because it was annoying of him to say that fuck is this and this was a big hit um well I mean for I guess for a concert movie it did pretty
[02:00:07] good because like oh oh oh oh oh this is the fucking it's the fucking you too movie right it's Rattlin hum yeah yeah Rattle 88 okay yeah all right okay and you two staying so that's why yeah
[02:00:23] yeah yeah I mean Rattle and Hum is absolutely you two's first like apex where people are like getting up for these guys like they're up their own ass and they come you know then they they have to
[02:00:33] kind of like you know retreat and when they come back they're sort of like have their tails between their legs like we know we got a little too you know it's okay we're we're back you
[02:00:42] know but uh Rattle and Hum that's number two and then later force everyone to download their album they didn't force it download it it was just there just one day it was there I was I was okay I was
[02:00:55] okay with that because I was like who cares it's like it's just a free out and then now that it's the year 2021 and I in and like raised by wolves or wherever the fuck comes up I'm like I don't
[02:01:06] raise by wolves that's the best album I think someone actually took the time to email us the other day suggesting that we do a Phil Jeannot mini series director of Rattle and Hum three o'clock
[02:01:20] hi and grid iron yes you're right someone actually did I forgot someone yeah well number three Griffin is a sports film that I've never heard of hmm what sport I'm guessing you maybe it's
[02:01:33] football it's a football movie okay it's about a college football hero who you know goes pro and has sort of ups and downs and a big love story it has a really stupid title it's directed by Taylor
[02:01:50] Hackford it's not a kind of a flop it's not that it's not the end thing Michael Hall one is it no I can tell you the star of this movie if you wish to know I do wish to know it's Dennis Quaid
[02:02:05] and then the other stars of this movie are Jessica Lang and John Goodman it's called all American something it's called everybody's all American yeah wow that sucks yeah it sounds really bad yeah
[02:02:19] this is a movie it seems like no one really liked yeah that eats butt uh yeah but weird right that's like a classic box office game thing we're just don't know that okay number four at the box
[02:02:31] office is he bad now I don't know depends on your demographic we're we're we're we're zizi top dad rock here so we're anti ass eating we're scared of buds yeah it's just it's too unsubtle for me I
[02:02:44] don't understand the tone of eating ass I have come here to chew bubblegum and eat ass and I'm a lot of ass play a gum though also maybe do one or the other you don't want bubblegum stuck in a butt
[02:03:03] space those out for sure um all right number four griff number four griff is an Oscar winning film this year um it wins a big Oscar the only Oscar it's nominated for in fact it's a drama a legal
[02:03:17] drama it's a legal drama it wins a big Oscar the one it's not wall street is it not wall street very very serious kind of an issues drama it's on a topic that I think Hollywood had not really
[02:03:33] you know gotten into very much interesting subject Hollywood had not really covered before no very serious is it the accused it's the accused it's which is one of those movies where you're like
[02:03:47] is that a good movie and it's like it's okay it was just kind of a you know you had to be their big moment movie you know like I think another example of a movie that's legacy is mostly
[02:03:59] now it being recreated shot for shot on South Park what is it really they do they do the fucking the assault scene from the accused oh my god really I thought you were joking no with George
[02:04:10] Lucas it's an episode about Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and the idea of blank filmmaker raped my childhood in quotes dear lord I thought it was I thought you were I thought that's
[02:04:22] insane how much did those guys just get to do more South Park did they just get like a billion dollars right like an island or something yeah they got it they just got two islands the accused
[02:04:32] the craziest thing about the accused jody foster second build behind kelly mcgillis yeah that's why I always in my mind thought she won supporting but yeah she's she won lead but it was I think it
[02:04:43] was sort of for her it was like the the graduation moment from child star to adult star yeah and hearing all these other hearing all these other movies makes me think like how wasn't
[02:04:54] how does they live feel like kind of like a like video store just hidden gem or USA up all night hidden gem because all these movies sound awful like the old the other movie sound terrible it's a
[02:05:07] kind of shitty week it's like yeah what do we go see rattle and hum I guess I'll see the roddy piper movie okay right I was surprised that rattle and hum opened at number two but now
[02:05:18] I'm surprised it didn't open at number one almost like no disrespect to they live but yeah go on number five was number one the previous week which is kind of crazy big drop it's a horror sequel
[02:05:33] to in a big franchise but it's sort of a bit you know it's it's going back to what worked oh so it's not a two it's a mm-hmm uh oh oh oh oh is it Halloween four it's Halloween for the return of
[02:05:53] how apropos the first one carpenter doesn't work on carpenters out he knocks them out of the number one position that's true at the beginning of the thorn trilogy in in the Halloween series which is now being roundly ignored in the new Halloween series that is
[02:06:10] in theaters now basically I can't wait to see Lenny Clark die in the new one though I saw the trailer there I was like oh Lenny Clark Lenny Clark gonna get it
[02:06:18] is he skinny so I would guess so I think he's I think he's in between I think he's somewhere I think he's somewhere in between what what he once was and what he in the his thinnest probably
[02:06:29] um I finally watched Halloween too I think I'm gonna I'm gonna try to knock them all out in this month of October oh you watch like the original Halloween too I watched I watched Halloween 2 1 right guys various other attempts to the sequel to Halloween basically right uh
[02:06:47] what do you think it's got that uh that hot tub sequence which is bananas it's solid very solid it's all I liked it I'm gonna watch them all I'm gonna watch a season of the witch next
[02:06:57] I also did track down a blu-ray box out of all the puppet master movies so I'm gonna I'm gonna run wow you're doing a whole I've been getting into the puppet master I've decided
[02:07:06] I'm gonna watch them all even the Nazi ones do you know that like doll horror was like the thing that did scare me so much as a kid Mitch you and I are very very alike in that sense
[02:07:19] peacing apart on that yeah Chucky I've told the story on Doe Boys where I thought Mickey Mouse grabbed my arm Nick went for the story many great story yeah but but but just any
[02:07:28] Chucky and the puppet master dolls like any small little you know doll creature that came to life that scares the shit out of me you know I just realized I almost went through the episode
[02:07:38] without doing this but merchandise spotlight I forgot I had these dolls right here on my desk look at that wow look at that there they are yeah they fuck I love that sweater Keith David Scott
[02:07:48] that's a great sweater this came with the blu-ray when you got it from shout factory have them come alive I'd be fine with that yeah right um some other movies griff in the top 10 I just
[02:07:58] want to shout out new this week is the good mother the Leonard Nimoy directed Diane Keaton like family court drama like just to continue this sort of like this is a lot of shit at the box
[02:08:11] office yeah prequel to the Good Son do you guys know what the premise of that movie is what is we need to wrap up this episode but I'm gonna say it really quickly because we when we
[02:08:20] did the Star Trek patreon I was like what are the other movies learn anymore directed and then I fell down this rabbit hole of how bizarre his other films are outside of the Star
[02:08:28] Trek's and Three Men and a Baby the Good Son I believe is about Diane Keaton is divorced her boyfriend I'm sorry good mother with my wife Diane Keaton is divorced split custody Liam Neeson as her current boyfriend there are two incidents one where the daughter gets into
[02:08:44] bed with them after they've been having sex and they're naked and spends the night in bed with them they don't have sex next to the daughter that right the other one is that she
[02:08:54] and the other one she walks into the bathroom and asks if he can see his penis while he's peeing or something she asks if she can touch his penis and lets her while he's peeing like I believe
[02:09:05] she she's sort of uh you know just kind of gives it a little right but the kids like four or five or something well it's Liam Neeson's dick it's probably 85 percent of the room
[02:09:15] like it's hard not to touch the second she opens the door she's touching right but this is the premise of this movie is the daughter repeats these anecdotes her father and the father sues the mother
[02:09:26] saying like this is a sexually abusive childhood and Liam Neeson's like I'm Irish we do things differently and the whole movie becomes about the ethics of like why the fuck did Leonard Nimoy make this it sounds like I think it's like based on a book it sounds completely
[02:09:41] this is the whole thing about the 80s Hollywood is so weird in the 80s but what do you want working like 14 hour days for months filming that movie being like we really need to say this
[02:09:54] it needs to be spoken this will be my breakout I can't wait a kid touches my dick in this one what she's like oh god it's like an issues drama it was been an Oscar play all the
[02:10:06] critics were just flummoxed by it yeah okay other i just got around this out mystic pizza which is a great movie that i rewatch all the time and a pretty good frozen pizza
[02:10:16] yeah griff we should go there oh yes I want to go to mystic pizza so bad there's also punchline the tom hanks and sallyfield stand-up comedy movie which i've never seen there's gorillas in
[02:10:30] the mist another oscarie movie of the year and at number 10 Mitch alien nation wow there you go how about that I just wanted to get to that one that's wild so there you go yeah gorillas in the mist was that nominated for some that had some
[02:10:48] Sigourney was nominated for best actress and i think it might have been Winston not say went to rick baker uh yeah it was nominated for five oscars uh actress writing sounds film editing
[02:11:01] and music this not rick baker oh that's insane uh this was the year that Sigourney got two nominations the same year and then never was nominated ever again wow yeah it's weird right it's the end of
[02:11:15] her right her run is because aliens is the year before this so she gets like best actress like two years before this then the following year she gets best actress and supporting actress nominations she seems like she's inevitable almost 40 years later no more nominations
[02:11:30] has she never won an oscar no never won an oscar and that's the year she probably should have won one of those two and she lost it supporting actress is the weird she lost to jenna davis
[02:11:43] sort of a weird one she probably should have won there anyway uh for betelgeuse let the vote against herself uh no for the accidental tourist she is amazing in betelgeuse yeah um yeah what
[02:11:53] what if sigourney wins for avatar four what if that's the one that's the one where she's really got a meaty role the tree as the tree i hope she's playing that fucking tree mitch i've talked about
[02:12:05] this a lot i hope she's playing that fucking tree she has to be playing the tree they keep on being cagey about her involvement in the film and i'm like if she's not playing the tree i'm gonna fucking riot
[02:12:18] she died and they tried to revive her with the tree she should play the tree now we'll be in theaters graff yeah we'll see the first shot of her face in a tree and you're just gonna start pumping
[02:12:28] your fist it's gonna be great otherwise i'm gonna go john nada in that whole movie theater true bubble that's what i mean i'm gonna chew bubble i'm gonna sit my seat calmly in true bubble
[02:12:39] gum uh that wouldn't have been that crazy within the movie for that to happen i i want to point out a lighter moment that happens is when please because it was just a moment that i loved and i didn't get
[02:12:50] to say it is when when when he and keith keith david are fighting and he breaks the window to the car and then he starts laughing and it's like such a great moment when when yeah like apologizes to
[02:12:59] right yeah he's like laughing he's like sorry and then in keith david's all pissed off because he broke the the car window but it's a great moment sorry i just had i had to laugh no it is
[02:13:08] it's a nice little moment and then the human stuff that's why this stuff works yeah yeah um but yeah yeah they look guys thank you so much for coming on the show thank you for
[02:13:19] having us thanks for having us an absolute delight yeah it was delightful love to have love the excuse to rewatch this movie and talk about it with the two of you we're always gonna lure you
[02:13:28] guys in with good movies that's how we'll get you yeah that's how we trick you anytime offer you really good movies and we're gonna and we're gonna make you uh eat airport chilies what fine i'll get my car drive to jk whatever
[02:13:47] uh real real quick i think i could speak for all of us uh just you know we're in the the wake of the iatzi vote and solidarity with everyone there um you know hope that hope hope that all
[02:13:57] works out for everyone very thrilling moment the just both that both that the uh vote but the turnout as well very exciting amazing turnout for a union that side it's also it's just one of
[02:14:07] those things uh i i had always been somewhat resigned to that being a fundamental evil of the industry it felt like it was impossible that anything could be changed and it's a thing
[02:14:18] that's been getting worse and worse and worse by the year and i i think it's one of the rare examples of uh uh the the pandemic finally causing a breaking point that uh you know
[02:14:31] made people stand up and refuse to take it anymore um and i'm i'm optimistic about that if nothing else in the world right now things ahead no nothing else is about things no i'm okay that's
[02:14:42] the one good thing i had to strike solidarity what about my my beautiful daughter she's she's a good thing griffin a ben dozer says this all yeah she's good by the way is she dressing up as the
[02:14:53] boss baby for halloween absolutely not but what i said you will never see what if i send you a little soon no no my wife is very intent on dressing up for halloween it's but like she is all
[02:15:07] over that hand deliver a little suit and it is tailored to her exact measurements and it's a good growing every day this is then i'll have to send in new measurements day off
[02:15:21] um no i i one of one of my neighbors works on a an emmy winning show well i shouldn't give too much away but they wanted to cut the uh the the they wanted to cut the the budget for the department
[02:15:36] that she works in by one third um an emmy winning show the next season which is just insane it's just people trying to save money so i 100 back i at sea i just wanted to make it clear because i was
[02:15:49] silent on it that wasn't some weird i mean i i will say uh the the tick one negative emmies and our second season the budget was cut by 40 percent and that i absolutely was made up for
[02:16:05] only in sweat equity like it was uh insane it physically broke me uh and i had it easier than a lot of people who worked on that show um so yes solidarity with hiat see solidarity with the do boys
[02:16:20] it's the best podcast in the universe and how did this get played i was just on i was just on uh how did this get played but joe boys of course sims was on uh discussing uh the nightmare and
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[02:17:49] final note when asked if shepherd fairy ever reached out to him directly carpenter responds no no he didn't ask me either the shit he owes me money no it's fine i don't care
[02:18:11] my mom might bring me a chicken caesar wrap in the middle of this by the way and we have to talk about it if that happens