Titanic with Emily Yoshida and Katey Rich

Emily Yoshida (Spin Magazine) and Katey Rich (Vanity Fair) return to discuss 1997’s epic romance Titanic with special guest Charlie “the baby” Rich! Thats right, Blank Check has brought IN the women and children to our podboat to dive deep into some ice-cold analysis. But how important is water in Cameron’s life? What about Bill Paxton’s huge earring? Whats the artist’s name something Picasso? Together they examine Leo mania, the performances of Kate Winslet, Billy Zane, Victor Garber and the panel’s first time seeing this film including a diary entry and private planetarium date.

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to express

[00:00:13] All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check

[00:00:20] Jack, I want you to pod me like one of your cast girls!

[00:00:26] No!

[00:00:27] Yeah, okay, sure.

[00:00:29] I mean, it's the filly I had to because everyone has been saying...

[00:00:32] Has been saying that should be the title.

[00:00:34] Which we weren't going to do because we're gentlemen but you know, a time and a place.

[00:00:38] Hey everybody!

[00:00:40] Oh boy, Ben level that one out.

[00:00:42] My name is Griffin Newman.

[00:00:44] I'm David Sims.

[00:00:45] This is a podcast called Blank Check with Griffin and...

[00:00:50] David.

[00:00:51] I kept waiting, I wasn't sure when you were trying to hand that off to me.

[00:00:54] We are hashtag the...

[00:00:55] Two friends.

[00:00:56] Yeah, good.

[00:00:57] And this is a series where we study...

[00:01:00] Movies.

[00:01:01] I was going to say filmographies.

[00:01:03] Directors.

[00:01:04] Yes.

[00:01:05] Directors who have had huge success early on and get a series of Blank checks to make whatever they want

[00:01:11] and sometimes the checks clear and sometimes they bounce.

[00:01:14] Sure.

[00:01:15] And sometimes people are worried they'll bounce.

[00:01:16] Then they really clear.

[00:01:17] Yeah but what we always find interesting is David and I were connoisseurs of context.

[00:01:23] Okay.

[00:01:24] Right?

[00:01:25] We love context.

[00:01:26] We're looking at the context in which the movies were made.

[00:01:29] We like zooming out and looking at the career, you know, and tracking the ups and downs and

[00:01:33] marrying it to it and trying to find good in every movie.

[00:01:36] So we're making the bio longer for the podcast?

[00:01:38] That's what we're doing right now?

[00:01:39] We're going to do more?

[00:01:40] Well this is a super sized episode.

[00:01:42] That's true.

[00:01:43] And that it's a...

[00:01:44] Two-parter.

[00:01:47] As if it was two VHS tapes.

[00:01:49] Right.

[00:01:50] Let's dive in.

[00:01:51] Okay.

[00:01:52] To the ocean.

[00:01:53] Yeah.

[00:01:54] To pick up the ruins.

[00:01:56] We're searching for a diamond of an episode.

[00:01:59] It's the heart of the podcast.

[00:02:02] My point is we've been doing a series called Podnator.

[00:02:06] That's his point.

[00:02:08] I got one point to make and this is the point.

[00:02:10] We've been doing a miniseries called Podnator.

[00:02:13] It's about the films of Slippery Jim family.

[00:02:16] Maybe we should have called it Podtanic.

[00:02:18] We could have.

[00:02:19] Maybe we should have done that.

[00:02:21] This is Podtanic.

[00:02:22] Let's call this episode Podtanic.

[00:02:23] Okay.

[00:02:24] This is the big one.

[00:02:25] We're talking about the movie.

[00:02:26] I'm podcasting Jack.

[00:02:27] I'm podcast.

[00:02:28] Maybe we should do a whole episode of just...

[00:02:32] Interest?

[00:02:33] Yeah.

[00:02:34] Just lines that we could turn into podcasts.

[00:02:35] On the podcast.

[00:02:36] On your podcast machine.

[00:02:37] Oh my God.

[00:02:39] Women in podcasts don't mix but we should actually prove that wrong, right?

[00:02:43] We're going to prove that wrong because we have...

[00:02:44] Two guests.

[00:02:45] We got three guests today.

[00:02:46] Three guests.

[00:02:47] I'm sorry.

[00:02:48] I'm sorry.

[00:02:49] This is a super sized episode.

[00:02:50] Talk about Tatanic.

[00:02:51] I feel like this is an episode that has been anticipated by us in this room for months.

[00:02:55] Yes.

[00:02:56] I don't know if it's been anticipated by our listening public but...

[00:02:58] Let's say this.

[00:02:59] I'm sure it has.

[00:03:00] I'm sure it has.

[00:03:01] For both of us and for two of our three guests in the studio right now, they had said as

[00:03:07] previous guests, fan favorite guests, they had said if you ever do James Cameron,

[00:03:13] let's go back to Tatanic.

[00:03:14] Right.

[00:03:15] Right?

[00:03:16] Yeah.

[00:03:17] 3D.

[00:03:18] I'm ready to go back to Tatanic.

[00:03:19] Yeah.

[00:03:20] 12.

[00:03:21] I believe.

[00:03:22] It's been 85 years.

[00:03:23] Well, no, it's only been four years since the 3D re-release.

[00:03:26] It just felt like 85 years.

[00:03:29] Yeah.

[00:03:30] But...

[00:03:31] And that was, I think, somewhat of an incentive for us to do Slippery Jim himself.

[00:03:35] Absolutely.

[00:03:36] No, this is what I've been waiting for.

[00:03:38] Yeah.

[00:03:39] I really think so.

[00:03:40] So we got a lot more to talk about.

[00:03:41] We have two guests who demanded that they be in studio to discuss.

[00:03:44] Right.

[00:03:45] And then a third guest who apparently slept through most of the movie.

[00:03:47] Yeah.

[00:03:48] But you know...

[00:03:49] I'm so rude.

[00:03:50] Okay.

[00:03:51] So first up, here's like, I want to do like a dream team like...

[00:03:55] What's the movie?

[00:03:56] It was Tatanic.

[00:03:57] We talked to him.

[00:03:58] Tatanic.

[00:03:59] 1997.

[00:04:00] Podinator colon judgment cast is the point I'm trying to make.

[00:04:04] God damn it.

[00:04:05] Don't you guys love how long and langurous these episodes are?

[00:04:09] Yeah, we got some advice.

[00:04:11] We got some advice recently that was like, they're like this?

[00:04:14] Yeah.

[00:04:15] They were like, your podcast should be half an hour long.

[00:04:19] Griffin, can we keep nothing secret on this podcast?

[00:04:22] I mentioned nothing else.

[00:04:24] No, let's carry on.

[00:04:25] I got some secrets.

[00:04:27] I'm sure.

[00:04:28] They're at the bottom of the ocean.

[00:04:29] Right.

[00:04:30] They're my opinions on the film, Tatanic.

[00:04:31] A woman's heart is an ocean of secrets.

[00:04:33] Damn it.

[00:04:34] A woman's podcast is an ocean of secrets.

[00:04:36] A woman's heart is an ocean of podcasts.

[00:04:38] A podcast's heart is an ocean of secrets.

[00:04:39] A podcast podcast is a podcast of podcasts.

[00:04:42] Our first guest.

[00:04:43] Yeah.

[00:04:44] You can...

[00:04:45] I was gonna try to do the Chicago Bulls intro music but I forgot how it went.

[00:04:48] I started doing the singing raw.

[00:04:52] Okay, so I was trying to do that but then it sounded like the We Bought a Zoo song.

[00:04:57] Michael Jordan!

[00:05:03] Our first guest on the podcast today.

[00:05:05] You know her from The Verge.

[00:05:08] The dearly departed podcast.

[00:05:09] Girls and Hoodies.

[00:05:10] This is true.

[00:05:11] But also...

[00:05:12] No longer at The Verge.

[00:05:13] We should point out.

[00:05:14] Oh, really?

[00:05:15] No.

[00:05:16] Where do we know you now?

[00:05:17] Just riding the rails, baby.

[00:05:19] Free agent.

[00:05:20] Free agent.

[00:05:21] Rail rider.

[00:05:22] Tumbleweed blown in the wind like you got some.

[00:05:24] A true tumbleweed blowing in the wind.

[00:05:25] She's the boss car birth of podcasts.

[00:05:27] And you know her most of all, from her appearances on,

[00:05:31] the podcast Reawakens and Speed Racer.

[00:05:34] Yes.

[00:05:35] Ladies and gentlemen, Emily Yoshida!

[00:05:38] Hi guys.

[00:05:39] Hey Emily, how's it going?

[00:05:40] I'm excited to talk about the movie Titanic.

[00:05:42] Should we just start?

[00:05:43] Oh wait.

[00:05:45] I've got two more guests.

[00:05:46] That's not how this works.

[00:05:47] We've got two more guests.

[00:05:48] OK.

[00:05:50] You should call the third guest the man in the middle.

[00:05:52] That's what they used to say about Luke Longley.

[00:05:54] And they introduced him.

[00:05:55] Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum.

[00:05:57] Go ahead.

[00:05:57] Our next guest, you know her from Vandy Fair

[00:06:01] and the Little Gold Men podcast.

[00:06:03] And most of all, you know her from the sixth sense

[00:06:07] episode.

[00:06:07] We're also fighting in the war room.

[00:06:08] Oh, fighting in the war room but also most of all.

[00:06:12] The sixth sense episode.

[00:06:13] Right, right.

[00:06:14] When we talk box office for a solid hour,

[00:06:16] it's a great episode.

[00:06:17] Pod Night Shyamakas, Lacer Drubin, Katie Rich.

[00:06:20] Hi guys.

[00:06:22] And last.

[00:06:23] The man in the middle.

[00:06:24] The man in the middle.

[00:06:25] You know him most of all from being a baby

[00:06:30] and being Katie Rich's baby.

[00:06:32] And also from our Pod Dogs episode.

[00:06:37] What?

[00:06:38] He's going to be the guest when we do old dogs.

[00:06:40] Oh, OK.

[00:06:41] Who's that's going to be that far in the future

[00:06:42] that he'll be able to be on the podcast?

[00:06:44] Right.

[00:06:44] Laser Salmon, Charlie.

[00:06:46] Let's see if we can make some noise with the microphone.

[00:06:48] Nope.

[00:06:49] Oh yeah.

[00:06:50] I think we're picking up some.

[00:06:51] It sounds like he's barely breathing.

[00:06:53] I promise he's fine.

[00:06:56] Hey, Charlie.

[00:06:56] Yeah, we have a baby, guys.

[00:06:58] He's wearing.

[00:06:58] I'd like to note that he's wearing a little onesie

[00:07:01] with headphones on them.

[00:07:02] Very appropriate.

[00:07:03] He doesn't get his own set of headphones for this.

[00:07:04] Or it's not his first podcast at all.

[00:07:06] No, he's been on fighting in the war room.

[00:07:08] He's been on more podcasts than I've been on.

[00:07:10] He's an expert.

[00:07:12] He's currently eating on Mike.

[00:07:13] He's eating on Mike, which is very good.

[00:07:15] No, that's true.

[00:07:15] Yeah, I didn't get him a bagel, which I feel like is.

[00:07:19] Oh, Charlie's first bagel.

[00:07:20] Bagel with scallion cream.

[00:07:21] She's handled that at three months.

[00:07:23] That'll help me eating out of the old dogs podcast.

[00:07:27] Old pods.

[00:07:28] Now, Emily commented on Charlie's onesie with the headphones.

[00:07:34] And they always say, dress for the job you want.

[00:07:37] And the job that Charlie wants clearly,

[00:07:38] what he's messaging to us is that he wants to be a producer.

[00:07:42] An engineer, if you will.

[00:07:43] A producer.

[00:07:44] A bendusor.

[00:07:45] Do we have one of those?

[00:07:46] He wants to be a poet laureate.

[00:07:47] He wants to be our finest film critic.

[00:07:50] He wants to have a birthday.

[00:07:51] Sure.

[00:07:52] He wants to be a tiebreaker.

[00:07:54] We all want to have a birthday.

[00:07:55] He does not want to be Professor Crispy.

[00:07:58] No.

[00:07:58] He does want to be the fudge master.

[00:08:02] I think he does.

[00:08:04] He doesn't understand words yet.

[00:08:05] I just don't want to assign that label to a baby.

[00:08:08] It's not about him processing it.

[00:08:09] I don't want to be on Mike calling a baby anything

[00:08:12] other than the fudge master.

[00:08:15] Even you have a line.

[00:08:16] It's good to know.

[00:08:17] He is a white hot baby.

[00:08:20] He is dirt bike baby.

[00:08:22] If you see him in the streets, wish him a hello fennel.

[00:08:25] Definitely.

[00:08:26] What?

[00:08:27] It's a poet laureate.

[00:08:28] It's fine.

[00:08:28] You're good.

[00:08:29] He's baby-hositive.

[00:08:31] Sure.

[00:08:31] OK, fine.

[00:08:32] And of course, the baby wants to someday graduate.

[00:08:34] What was that note we got about shorter?

[00:08:37] They said the intro should be 30 minutes.

[00:08:40] Just lazy Sunday podcasting, man.

[00:08:42] I know.

[00:08:42] It is a nice lazy Sunday.

[00:08:43] Nobody in the office.

[00:08:44] 60 degrees and sunny.

[00:08:46] We all know the baby's probably.

[00:08:47] There's a beautiful day outside.

[00:08:48] It's really, really nice.

[00:08:50] It's going to be over by the time we get out of here.

[00:08:52] Yeah.

[00:08:52] It'll be very dark.

[00:08:53] Can we please keep this on topic?

[00:08:54] As all these sidebars are driving me a little bit.

[00:08:56] No, I'd like to talk about the weather today.

[00:08:58] Beautiful day in New York City.

[00:08:59] About 59.

[00:09:00] Yeah, yeah.

[00:09:01] Chris, there was a little rain yesterday.

[00:09:02] Beautiful fall leaves everywhere.

[00:09:03] The leaves have finally begun to turn.

[00:09:05] This is I like watching Griffin get sidetracked.

[00:09:07] And his little face, his eyes narrow.

[00:09:10] It's great.

[00:09:10] My little face.

[00:09:13] We all know the baby Charlie wants to someday

[00:09:15] graduate to different titles over the course

[00:09:17] of different mini series.

[00:09:18] Yeah.

[00:09:19] This is why I was getting frustrated, guys.

[00:09:21] Because I knew this was coming.

[00:09:22] I feel like people forget.

[00:09:23] Go on.

[00:09:24] Do them.

[00:09:24] I don't know.

[00:09:25] Such titles hypothetically as producer Ben Kenobi, Kylo Ben,

[00:09:28] Ben Nyechamlon, Ben Seyit, say Benny thing.

[00:09:30] OK, right.

[00:09:31] You're not putting the baby in those.

[00:09:32] Right.

[00:09:32] All right.

[00:09:34] And in the future title for Cameron,

[00:09:36] we got to think about that.

[00:09:37] There's one suggested recently which I really like,

[00:09:39] with T. Ben Thousand.

[00:09:40] T. Ben Thousand was OK.

[00:09:41] I don't know.

[00:09:42] I feel like I still want to think about this.

[00:09:43] OK.

[00:09:44] Ben Tanec.

[00:09:46] Yeah, producer Ben who is not.

[00:09:48] Charlie wants to be.

[00:09:49] Yeah, but producer Ben is not on Mike today.

[00:09:51] We have two guests.

[00:09:52] And also he doesn't care about Tate Tanec.

[00:09:54] Right.

[00:09:54] And baby Charlie has four Mike right now.

[00:09:57] So Ben can't be in the studio.

[00:09:58] So Ben is a walkie-talkie.

[00:10:00] Maybe he'll come in if he has a point to make.

[00:10:02] Let me do my impression of what Ben thinks about this movie.

[00:10:05] I like that the ship was big.

[00:10:06] That's Ben's comment.

[00:10:08] There's some good old technology in Tate Tanec.

[00:10:10] A very wet movie, too.

[00:10:11] It's a very wet movie.

[00:10:12] He likes things wet.

[00:10:13] Actually, this might be Ben's favorite movie.

[00:10:15] He doesn't have anything to say.

[00:10:16] He's not on Mike, but let's just declare it now

[00:10:18] this is his favorite movie.

[00:10:19] This is Ben's number one favorite movie

[00:10:20] and he can't say anything about it.

[00:10:21] Right.

[00:10:22] The year is 1997.

[00:10:25] James Cameron's last film was 1994.

[00:10:27] Yeah, True Lies.

[00:10:28] True Lies, which was the first film

[00:10:31] in his $500 million deal with Fox, 20th Century Fox.

[00:10:35] Indeed.

[00:10:36] His light storm entertainment, Shingle.

[00:10:38] Yep.

[00:10:39] His...

[00:10:40] You got it.

[00:10:41] That's it.

[00:10:42] I was trying to think of a different term.

[00:10:43] I think Shingle is the right thing.

[00:10:44] Shingle, yeah, it's the Shingle.

[00:10:45] He makes his first film, True Lies,

[00:10:46] costs $150 million, most expensive movie of all time.

[00:10:49] Pow! It's a hit.

[00:10:50] Sure. Arnie.

[00:10:52] The SAG nominations roll in.

[00:10:54] Yeah.

[00:10:54] One of them.

[00:10:55] The first year of the SAGs.

[00:10:56] Really?

[00:10:57] Yeah, 95.

[00:10:58] Kicked it off of the bank.

[00:10:59] That's why. They weren't going to do an award show,

[00:11:01] and then they watched True Lies, and they were like,

[00:11:02] I mean, someone's got to wrap Jamie Lee.

[00:11:03] And she won a Golden Globe, Jamie Lee.

[00:11:04] But anyway, we're moving on.

[00:11:06] That doesn't count, though.

[00:11:08] Golden Globes aren't real.

[00:11:10] By my account.

[00:11:12] Just let that...

[00:11:12] We'll just let that hang in the air.

[00:11:14] I was doing some research, too,

[00:11:15] because there was a performance on the film

[00:11:16] I really liked of Bill Paxton's Beardo Associate.

[00:11:21] Sure.

[00:11:22] Who was a friend of James Cameron's,

[00:11:24] a diving buddy.

[00:11:26] He was also sort of a pulpy genre director

[00:11:29] and writer himself.

[00:11:30] He directed House Four.

[00:11:32] Sure.

[00:11:33] House, of course, the original is Ding Dong, You're Dead.

[00:11:36] And then they made three more of them,

[00:11:37] apparently after the titular...

[00:11:39] This is not the cult Japanese film House,

[00:11:42] we're talking about the crappy American horror franchise.

[00:11:45] Apparently there were four of those.

[00:11:47] And apparently this guy,

[00:11:48] I forgot to look up his name.

[00:11:49] It's something Abernathy.

[00:11:51] Well, yeah, that's right.

[00:11:52] Louis Abernathy.

[00:11:53] Louis Abernathy.

[00:11:53] And he plays, what's his name?

[00:11:55] Louis Bodine.

[00:11:55] Right.

[00:11:56] See, this is what Katie's here for.

[00:11:58] He literally looked up an IMDb before we started.

[00:12:00] Okay, so Louis Abernathy was diving buddies with Cameron.

[00:12:04] Oh, here are two guys in the film industry

[00:12:05] who both like going down under the sea.

[00:12:09] They're both like little mermaiding it.

[00:12:12] And they start bonding over their shared love of movies,

[00:12:15] aquatic life of all of this.

[00:12:18] And apparently one year for his birthday,

[00:12:20] Louis Abernathy buys James Cameron or doesn't buy him,

[00:12:24] gifts him a joke script he read for a Titanic movie.

[00:12:27] And he wrote a Titanic script.

[00:12:30] And then was like, you should make a Titanic,

[00:12:31] like there's never been a great Titanic movie made.

[00:12:33] And that lights a fire under Jim's butt.

[00:12:36] Which is not true by the way.

[00:12:37] There is a great Titanic movie from the 50s

[00:12:39] called A Night to Remember.

[00:12:40] Which is an excellent movie.

[00:12:41] That is a fantastic film, yes.

[00:12:42] But anyway, carry on.

[00:12:43] But they were very obsessed with sort of the details

[00:12:45] of how the ship went down, all the technical aspects.

[00:12:49] And he did a dive in 95 I think.

[00:12:52] And he got some footage,

[00:12:53] the first footage of the wreck that's in the movie.

[00:12:55] Yeah.

[00:12:56] So that fueled this.

[00:12:58] And he just sighed like, this is what I'm going to do.

[00:12:59] He spends about a year and change right in the screenplay.

[00:13:03] He likes water.

[00:13:04] Loves water.

[00:13:05] Piranha to the spawning.

[00:13:06] The abyss.

[00:13:08] Those are the two.

[00:13:09] And how many people drowned in this movie?

[00:13:10] I mean a couple people drowned in the abyss

[00:13:11] but holy shit.

[00:13:12] Yeah, a lot of drowning.

[00:13:13] All of the people.

[00:13:14] Also death from sudden impact out of man.

[00:13:16] Many different kinds of deaths.

[00:13:18] Lots of death.

[00:13:19] Very deadly movie, yep.

[00:13:20] Right.

[00:13:21] And also let's not forget in Terminator 2 Judgment Day

[00:13:24] the T-1000 is made of liquid metal.

[00:13:28] Wow, okay.

[00:13:29] Okay.

[00:13:30] Yeah.

[00:13:31] Have you guys gotten to the bottom of Cameron's obsession

[00:13:34] with water over the course of this podcast?

[00:13:36] I mean it didn't begin with,

[00:13:37] did he fall in love with water

[00:13:39] on the set of Piranha to the spawning?

[00:13:40] Did he see water for the first time I think?

[00:13:43] He never seen water before.

[00:13:44] Never seen it before.

[00:13:44] Love it, give me more of that.

[00:13:46] Here's what I know.

[00:13:46] He grew up in Ontario, in Chippewa, Ontario.

[00:13:50] Chippewa Falls?

[00:13:51] Not Chippewa Falls,

[00:13:52] but I believe is how he was inspired

[00:13:54] in naming Jack Dawson's birthplace.

[00:13:57] And near Niagara Falls, right?

[00:13:58] I believe so, right across the border.

[00:14:00] And I think he would go like ice fishing and stuff.

[00:14:02] Maybe I'm literally just transposing his bio

[00:14:04] with Jack Dawson's though, I'm not sure.

[00:14:06] But you know, you're a lot of water around some great lakes.

[00:14:09] Maybe that's where the water comes from.

[00:14:10] It's no ocean.

[00:14:11] It's no ocean.

[00:14:12] No, it's maybe a little bit of a fishing town.

[00:14:14] But there's not diving city.

[00:14:16] But then he moves to Hollywood, California,

[00:14:18] which is on the ocean.

[00:14:19] Yeah.

[00:14:20] It's one of those famous ocean towns.

[00:14:23] Famous as a seaside town.

[00:14:24] Hollywood, California.

[00:14:25] Yeah.

[00:14:26] I don't know if I've always thought of him

[00:14:27] as one of those guys who would like

[00:14:28] rather live in the Revenant era

[00:14:30] when there was the Wild West and things to explore

[00:14:32] and then the bottom of the ocean is the last thing left.

[00:14:34] I think that's what he actually says.

[00:14:35] And he seems to kind of have that like explorer vibe

[00:14:37] about him.

[00:14:38] Like he wishes he could go to Mars.

[00:14:39] You are the only one of us

[00:14:40] who has talked to James Cameron.

[00:14:42] Indeed.

[00:14:42] I talked to him on the phone just a couple months ago

[00:14:45] but at PSA he did with Arnold Schwarzenegger.

[00:14:47] So you have, I feel like, you know.

[00:14:49] Oh yeah.

[00:14:50] You brush the surface of his madness.

[00:14:51] That 10 minute phone conversation.

[00:14:52] Like I really absorbed all the energy learned a lot.

[00:14:55] He went to high school in Niagara Falls.

[00:14:57] And water.

[00:14:59] Yeah, I don't know.

[00:15:00] Water!

[00:15:01] But then it is, I mean we talked about it

[00:15:03] in the Peron episode.

[00:15:04] It is crazy how good and cool

[00:15:06] the underwater scenes are in that movie

[00:15:08] and then everything else is under track.

[00:15:09] Yeah.

[00:15:10] Yeah.

[00:15:11] I don't know.

[00:15:12] Maybe abyss obviously.

[00:15:12] I mean that's the deep sea diving part.

[00:15:15] Like right, that's where that's really

[00:15:16] getting fleshed out.

[00:15:17] That's the thing, I mean answer your question Emily.

[00:15:19] I feel like I've been searching throughout

[00:15:21] doing this main series for what was the Rosetta Stone.

[00:15:23] You know, like I want the clean narrative moment,

[00:15:25] Cameron style where the thing is set up.

[00:15:27] It's so easy to assign to someone like Shyamalan

[00:15:29] or like you can like, or Cameron Crowe.

[00:15:32] But he's harder.

[00:15:33] He's more.

[00:15:34] Yeah.

[00:15:34] He hasn't made it autobiographical movies the way.

[00:15:35] Not really, right?

[00:15:36] I feel like the abyss is his most autobiographical movie

[00:15:39] as we talked about.

[00:15:40] His big divorce movie.

[00:15:41] Yeah.

[00:15:42] And I think the Paxton character in this

[00:15:45] is very autobiographical.

[00:15:46] Definitely.

[00:15:47] Oh yes.

[00:15:48] And the way that he ends up Suzy Amos

[00:15:49] it's implied at the end of the film.

[00:15:50] It's pretty impressive.

[00:15:51] Does Bill Paxton have an earring back then?

[00:15:53] Does Cameron have an earring?

[00:15:54] Bill Paxton is rocking an earring in this movie.

[00:15:56] I think he does.

[00:15:57] Opinions on Bill Paxton's earring in the movie, Titanic.

[00:16:00] Sure, with the Fisherman sweater?

[00:16:02] Yeah.

[00:16:03] It works.

[00:16:04] Error appropriate.

[00:16:05] I think it's great.

[00:16:06] I wouldn't...

[00:16:07] He's tan, you sense that he's lived multiple lives.

[00:16:09] So like this is his, you know,

[00:16:11] Northern Atlantic expedition look.

[00:16:14] He's got a weathered hands from this.

[00:16:16] Yes, but you can imagine his chest

[00:16:18] is very tan if he was to take off the sweater.

[00:16:21] Yeah, he's got sort of the frosty,

[00:16:22] not just the tips, but yeah.

[00:16:24] It's kind of funny how handsome he is in this movie

[00:16:26] when he's usually not handsome.

[00:16:27] I feel like he's an actor who likes to look weird

[00:16:30] or dorky or with...

[00:16:31] Like he looks like such a creep and true lies.

[00:16:34] I'm thinking about him in like Big Love.

[00:16:36] Like I feel like he doesn't...

[00:16:37] But he's fresh off Twister with this.

[00:16:39] So he's like really in a good rogue adventurer period

[00:16:42] of his career.

[00:16:43] He's like in his like rough neck.

[00:16:44] Right.

[00:16:45] And he gets the Ann Bill Paxton.

[00:16:46] Well, so Twister...

[00:16:47] Oh he does really?

[00:16:48] He does.

[00:16:49] He gets Ann Bill Paxton.

[00:16:50] So Twister was his like real sort of traditional

[00:16:54] Matt and A Idol movie, right?

[00:16:55] Like that was the one time they sort of put him

[00:16:57] at the forefront of like a big sort of blockbuster

[00:16:59] like that.

[00:17:00] Basically, well Mighty Joe Young though.

[00:17:01] Oh right.

[00:17:02] And I think after that he was like,

[00:17:04] I don't want to be this guy.

[00:17:05] And a simple plan, although that's not,

[00:17:06] but he is the lead.

[00:17:07] That's a blockbuster.

[00:17:08] Yeah.

[00:17:09] The one thing of like that kind of like...

[00:17:10] Him is lead.

[00:17:11] Him is lead.

[00:17:12] He's great in a fucking frailty.

[00:17:14] In a popcorn movie though, I'm saying.

[00:17:16] Where you want someone to look as sort of

[00:17:18] traditionally handsome as possible.

[00:17:19] I think he looks better in this than he does in Twister.

[00:17:22] And I wouldn't say it's traditionally my type of look.

[00:17:25] I'm just appreciating his filmography.

[00:17:26] It's an interesting filmography.

[00:17:27] Yeah, it is.

[00:17:28] U571 is in there, which I maintain

[00:17:30] is like a decent underrated movie.

[00:17:32] Weird science.

[00:17:33] He's like just above that guy's status.

[00:17:35] Like he's a name, you know who he is.

[00:17:36] He still has a that guy career.

[00:17:38] He definitely does.

[00:17:39] And I do feel like almost all his most memorable roles

[00:17:42] are the Cameron roles.

[00:17:44] Yeah.

[00:17:44] Probably.

[00:17:45] And if you look at the other huge movies he's been in,

[00:17:48] I mean you include Apollo 13.

[00:17:49] Apollo 13 and Twister, those mid 90s.

[00:17:52] He's probably the least interesting in Apollo 13, right?

[00:17:55] Yeah.

[00:17:56] Apollo 13 power rankings is like Harris.

[00:17:59] Hank, Sineese, Bacon, Paxton,

[00:18:02] and Quinlan's in there somewhere.

[00:18:03] And also that old lady who's not interested

[00:18:05] in Neil Armstrong.

[00:18:07] Guys let's watch Apollo 13 right now.

[00:18:09] I love that movie.

[00:18:10] Yeah, but you were okay.

[00:18:10] So David was hitting his hand on the wall

[00:18:12] and like ranking them like vertically.

[00:18:15] And I think you gotta put the bacon on top.

[00:18:17] Well yeah, you do want some bacon on top.

[00:18:19] Right, cause that's what he is.

[00:18:20] He's an embellishment.

[00:18:20] Here's the interesting thing.

[00:18:21] He's maybe the least interesting actor in Titanic as well.

[00:18:24] We've talked about him a long time.

[00:18:28] We're basically treating this like it's like

[00:18:29] a Bill Paxton film.

[00:18:31] Well part one of the episode is just Bill Paxton

[00:18:33] and then part two of our Titanic episode

[00:18:36] is everything else.

[00:18:37] Yeah.

[00:18:38] No, Jeanette Goldstein.

[00:18:39] I do at some point in this podcast

[00:18:41] I do want to rank the non-Jack and Rose element

[00:18:45] of this film like who is the most.

[00:18:47] Oh definitely.

[00:18:47] Yeah.

[00:18:48] Performance review.

[00:18:49] You guys haven't done this in a while.

[00:18:50] We haven't done, look guys.

[00:18:51] I like we should do everything.

[00:18:53] Any idea just throw it out there and we'll do it.

[00:18:55] But we all agree that there's like a clear winner

[00:18:58] for best performance in this movie right?

[00:19:00] Like with no qualifications there's one performance

[00:19:03] that's better than every other performance

[00:19:04] in the entire movie.

[00:19:05] Are you gonna Billy's anus right now?

[00:19:05] We're all gonna say it in unison on three.

[00:19:07] One, two, three, Victor Garper.

[00:19:11] I actually agree with you.

[00:19:12] I just couldn't tell if you were doing a bit.

[00:19:13] I wasn't doing a bit.

[00:19:14] I thought you were gonna say Billy's anus.

[00:19:16] Victor Garber's unreal in this movie.

[00:19:17] I think Garber's great but I think, no,

[00:19:19] I don't agree with you.

[00:19:20] Do you think it's Zane?

[00:19:21] It's Kate Winslow.

[00:19:22] No I said outside of the leads.

[00:19:26] I love Zane.

[00:19:27] I love Zane.

[00:19:28] He's so dialed into what this movie is.

[00:19:30] I think he's fantastic.

[00:19:31] I think Garber's great though.

[00:19:32] I mean Garber's one of those all-timer

[00:19:34] like four scene performances.

[00:19:36] I think Bernard Hill some credit is.

[00:19:38] He's good.

[00:19:39] He's good.

[00:19:40] I think Garber tops Winslow.

[00:19:41] Garber's fantastic.

[00:19:42] I think he tops Winslow.

[00:19:43] I said without qualifications,

[00:19:44] I think Garber's the best one for him.

[00:19:45] But that sets apples on our knees.

[00:19:46] Do you remember the scene that they played

[00:19:49] at the Academy Awards for Kate Winslow being nominated?

[00:19:52] I don't remember her clip.

[00:19:53] Her clip is so underwhelming.

[00:19:54] It's like nobody was going to actually

[00:19:58] take it seriously but it's just the one on the deck

[00:20:00] when she does her speech about,

[00:20:03] I know what you're thinking,

[00:20:04] poor little rich girl, et cetera.

[00:20:06] Oh yeah.

[00:20:06] Which is like, fine.

[00:20:09] There's so many more like waterworks, fireworks,

[00:20:12] scenes you could pick.

[00:20:14] She really brings it home in like the last 40 minutes too.

[00:20:16] I think her best acting is sort of

[00:20:18] when she hits survival mode.

[00:20:20] Oh yeah.

[00:20:21] In the hallway with the axe that's that stuff.

[00:20:24] That should have been her clip

[00:20:25] was just her with the axe running down the hallway.

[00:20:27] Yeah.

[00:20:28] Yeah.

[00:20:29] That was when my grandma walked out of this movie.

[00:20:31] Really?

[00:20:32] Wow.

[00:20:33] Why?

[00:20:33] She had had enough.

[00:20:35] Too intense?

[00:20:36] She didn't want to watch more drowning?

[00:20:37] She didn't like it.

[00:20:38] She just wasn't into it.

[00:20:39] And it's more upsetting the older you get.

[00:20:42] Oh yeah, absolutely.

[00:20:43] And your grandma was on the Titanic.

[00:20:45] She could have been.

[00:20:46] She wasn't that old.

[00:20:47] But I remember we were like, do you see Titanic?

[00:20:49] And she was like, I walked out of it.

[00:20:51] And we were like, you walked out of Titanic.

[00:20:53] We were kind of impressed

[00:20:54] because that did take some balls.

[00:20:55] And she was like, you know,

[00:20:57] she was swinging the axe at the handcuffs

[00:20:59] and I was just like, all right.

[00:21:01] She missed a lot of the good stuff.

[00:21:03] Yeah.

[00:21:04] That's maybe my favorite scene in the movie too though.

[00:21:05] That's like, that's the scene

[00:21:06] that always jumps out to me is the handcuffs, axe scene.

[00:21:09] That scene is ballsy, I would say.

[00:21:11] Okay, so like...

[00:21:12] Where it's like the ship's already sinking.

[00:21:13] We need this, but he's like, no we need this.

[00:21:15] We need like...

[00:21:16] Guys, we're already at the ship sinking.

[00:21:17] We might hit 30 minutes at this rate.

[00:21:19] Yeah, that's true.

[00:21:20] That's a good deal.

[00:21:21] We're done basically.

[00:21:21] Yeah, okay.

[00:21:22] Right, anyway, an inclusion Titanic.

[00:21:23] Okay, B plus.

[00:21:25] Let's get back on track.

[00:21:26] Bill Pax then, okay?

[00:21:27] The movie opens.

[00:21:30] Under the sea.

[00:21:31] The movie opens under the sea.

[00:21:32] No, there is the thing I think we should do

[00:21:34] with Sebastian.

[00:21:35] There is the thing I think we should do

[00:21:37] because I think it's important with this movie

[00:21:39] and we wanna hit all the things.

[00:21:39] Definitely say three times that there's a thing

[00:21:40] you think we should do without saying what the thing is.

[00:21:41] There's one thing that I think we should do.

[00:21:44] I think we should all talk about our experiences

[00:21:45] seeing this movie.

[00:21:46] Well, for sure.

[00:21:47] The first time.

[00:21:48] We do that a lot and I think for this movie

[00:21:49] it's especially important.

[00:21:50] Yes.

[00:21:51] David, would you like to go first?

[00:21:52] Yeah, I saw this film opening weekend

[00:21:55] at the Rio Cinema in Hackney in London

[00:21:59] which is a still standing very cool,

[00:22:01] giant sort of picture house in London.

[00:22:04] Saw my friend Nile and his mother

[00:22:07] and I walked out of it

[00:22:10] and it was an extremely overwhelming

[00:22:12] and important experience.

[00:22:13] I walked out and I was like,

[00:22:14] that's the best movie I've ever seen

[00:22:15] and I went home and I told my parents

[00:22:17] it's the best movie ever made

[00:22:18] and they went and saw it a few days later

[00:22:20] and they came back and I was like,

[00:22:21] wasn't it good?

[00:22:22] And they were like, eh, it was okay.

[00:22:24] Like they were not that pumped about it

[00:22:26] but it was huge for me.

[00:22:27] I think it was a huge grown up movie.

[00:22:30] I mean by comparison to the shit I was.

[00:22:32] I was 11 years old.

[00:22:34] I love this movie.

[00:22:36] Power forward Emily Yoshida.

[00:22:39] I saw this movie at the Lakewood Mall

[00:22:41] in Tacoma, Washington

[00:22:43] as seen on the television show Cops many times.

[00:22:46] Cool, all right.

[00:22:48] It, I saw it with a big group of friends, no parents.

[00:22:51] No parents.

[00:22:52] I was in seventh grade so we were kind of,

[00:22:54] I think the first movie I went to go see

[00:22:57] in a big group with no parents that I recall.

[00:23:00] Like that stuck in my memory

[00:23:02] was probably the first,

[00:23:05] a new hope when they did the re-release.

[00:23:07] So we were now exercising our muscles.

[00:23:10] Your parental. No, no, no, I guess that wouldn't be,

[00:23:12] but that wouldn't be right.

[00:23:13] No, I guess it was that summer.

[00:23:14] Yeah, so.

[00:23:14] New hope that comes is re-release that summer, right?

[00:23:16] So it's the same group of friends that I go see.

[00:23:18] This film came out.

[00:23:19] It was that winter.

[00:23:20] That was January, February, March of 97

[00:23:23] was the Star Wars re-release.

[00:23:24] This film premiered in Tokyo on November 1st, 1997

[00:23:27] but it came out December 19th, 1997.

[00:23:30] It's a long lead up.

[00:23:30] Isn't that weird?

[00:23:31] Harley Ray Jepsen album Emotion.

[00:23:34] Great album.

[00:23:35] Hand out a month-long lead on it.

[00:23:37] Anyway, so I saw this.

[00:23:38] This is what I remember about this movie

[00:23:40] which was that of course all of my friends

[00:23:42] were crying and weeping during it.

[00:23:43] I was like not so moved by the love story.

[00:23:45] I was definitely trying to be like a Daria about it.

[00:23:48] A little bit like too cool for it.

[00:23:50] I did think that all the ship stuff was very cool

[00:23:53] but I remember so clearly I walked out of the theater

[00:23:57] and I vomited.

[00:23:58] Wow.

[00:23:59] I had, and then I had a stomach flu for about a week.

[00:24:02] The stomach gave you a stomach flu?

[00:24:03] Yes, and then I used to joke like oh yeah,

[00:24:05] I don't care about the movie, it made me barf.

[00:24:09] I mean good joke, it's a good joke.

[00:24:11] But I liked it, it's not that I didn't like it.

[00:24:13] I think it was a lot of movie,

[00:24:15] it was also a crowded movie theater

[00:24:17] filled with middle schoolers

[00:24:19] and there was probably more than one pathogen

[00:24:21] floating around in the air.

[00:24:24] So yeah, that's it.

[00:24:25] So is there a point where you then start loving it?

[00:24:28] How does your relationship change

[00:24:29] with the movie over the years?

[00:24:31] Well I could tell you guys.

[00:24:32] You still vomit every time you watch.

[00:24:33] I could tell you guys about the second time

[00:24:34] I saw this movie.

[00:24:36] I think you got it.

[00:24:36] It's a two-parter.

[00:24:37] Have I told you?

[00:24:38] Davidson, have I told you this story?

[00:24:40] Quite possibly.

[00:24:41] Please use my full name every time you watch.

[00:24:42] I will, I have to call you Davidson.

[00:24:44] I know, I know why you have to call me Davidson.

[00:24:46] But so this is an amazing story.

[00:24:49] Okay, so and I hope my mom doesn't mind

[00:24:52] me telling this story.

[00:24:53] So we listen to Spockette.

[00:24:54] She listens every week, she sends us tweets.

[00:24:56] Past and future guests.

[00:24:57] She's active on Twitter.

[00:24:58] Amazing.

[00:24:59] You never know.

[00:25:00] She lives on a wall of hugs episode.

[00:25:03] You never know, you never know.

[00:25:04] So we had moved to Iowa, to Iowa City

[00:25:08] and we were thrilled.

[00:25:09] Right this year?

[00:25:10] Like right around now?

[00:25:11] We moved in 1998.

[00:25:12] So it was out on video at this point

[00:25:15] and there was a guy, I don't remember his name

[00:25:18] but he worked at the, in the astronomy school

[00:25:22] at the University of Iowa.

[00:25:23] Okay.

[00:25:24] And he had access, 24 access to the big theater

[00:25:28] like Planetarium Theater.

[00:25:30] So he was trying to woo my mother.

[00:25:33] So he invited, he invited me and my mom

[00:25:37] to a private screening of Titanic

[00:25:40] in the astronomy theater at the University of Iowa.

[00:25:43] And I was like, mom, that's the most romantic

[00:25:46] thing I've ever heard of.

[00:25:47] But you know, nothing ever came of it.

[00:25:49] Now when you say private screen

[00:25:50] do you mean literally no one else?

[00:25:52] Nobody else is there.

[00:25:53] Oh my god.

[00:25:53] In a Planetarium.

[00:25:56] I can't even imagine.

[00:25:58] We should do that right now.

[00:25:59] Katie's face is delight, like lit up with delight.

[00:26:02] 98.

[00:26:03] That is the director out to a women's heart in 1998.

[00:26:06] Oh, in a Planetarium.

[00:26:08] I'd marry that guy.

[00:26:09] I know right?

[00:26:10] Today I'd marry him.

[00:26:11] I wish I could remember his name.

[00:26:12] I would go and thank him.

[00:26:13] Jack Dawson.

[00:26:14] You're listening.

[00:26:15] Maybe can we get him back together with your mom now?

[00:26:17] Like he's listening and we can parent trap

[00:26:20] this whole thing.

[00:26:20] Well he's also a past and future guest.

[00:26:22] He was on the Alvin the Chipmunks the Road Chip episode.

[00:26:25] Stop making all these wallpapers jokes.

[00:26:26] I'm reconning the Walt Becker miniseries

[00:26:29] so people demand it.

[00:26:31] I cannot wait to hear how the Redditors respond to us

[00:26:34] having a baby on the planet.

[00:26:36] The Redditors are gonna love it.

[00:26:38] Well this is, I made the observation that of course

[00:26:41] this is the episode in which you bring the women

[00:26:42] and children onto the planet.

[00:26:43] Right, right.

[00:26:44] Which I said we're pulling an anti-titanic.

[00:26:46] We're keeping them on the boat.

[00:26:47] We're saying women and children please come in.

[00:26:49] This is being reported on the life boat?

[00:26:51] This is the life boat.

[00:26:52] Right, right.

[00:26:53] You're Molly Brown, I'm Izmay.

[00:26:55] Ben is Johan Griffith.

[00:26:57] Just looking for us, looking for any signs of life

[00:27:00] off in the distance.

[00:27:01] It's Yon, Yon, Griffith.

[00:27:04] But I thought it was Griffith.

[00:27:05] It's Griffith.

[00:27:06] Even though it's Dodd.

[00:27:07] But you sort of say it like Griffith.

[00:27:08] Like you say it with a heavy th at the end.

[00:27:11] I've always been in this competition.

[00:27:12] And he's got his Welsh accent in this movie.

[00:27:15] Yeah he does.

[00:27:16] Which he later sanded away because obviously

[00:27:19] nobody wants to hear that.

[00:27:20] I love the Welsh, I love the Welsh.

[00:27:21] Wow some harsh way to joke.

[00:27:23] I grew up in Britain and the English are trying to train

[00:27:26] to be mean to the Welsh which is cruel.

[00:27:28] We shouldn't be so mean to the Welsh.

[00:27:30] They're great people.

[00:27:30] Okay Charlie Rich tell us about your first time

[00:27:32] watching the movie.

[00:27:33] It was yesterday right?

[00:27:34] He's still upset.

[00:27:36] He still can't believe that they didn't end up together.

[00:27:39] All right I'm gonna try and talk about my first time

[00:27:40] without Charlie interrupting it.

[00:27:42] Oh so the story begins in 1992.

[00:27:44] It turns out whereas a second grader

[00:27:46] we're all trumping each other.

[00:27:47] I became obsessed with the Titanic

[00:27:48] for reasons I don't really know

[00:27:50] but I got a Bob Ballard's book

[00:27:51] about discovering the Titanic.

[00:27:53] Read it, front to back,

[00:27:54] like knew all the stats about the Titanic.

[00:27:56] It was like my thing as a weird seven year old.

[00:27:59] I feel like it's a common thread.

[00:28:00] I knew other kids too.

[00:28:01] It's something so fascinating about as a kid.

[00:28:04] And you can-

[00:28:05] Ships are something that is like cool.

[00:28:07] I mean I think from Little Mermaid maybe.

[00:28:09] Yeah maybe maybe.

[00:28:10] Some ships are like very important

[00:28:11] and very like romantic.

[00:28:13] It's definitely the idea of like

[00:28:14] the sunken treasure on this ship.

[00:28:15] And also just like wrestling with death

[00:28:18] but in a way that you-

[00:28:19] Oh boy you're really talking this to a dark place.

[00:28:21] But I think it's true.

[00:28:22] Like it's like an early thing that kids can deal with

[00:28:24] of that is like death.

[00:28:25] You know like involves death.

[00:28:26] Yeah it happened a long time ago

[00:28:28] so I got a cool shipwreck involved.

[00:28:30] So I was really into the Titanic as a seven year old

[00:28:32] and then cut to 1997 when the movie comes out.

[00:28:34] I'm very excited about Titanic.

[00:28:35] I see it the day after my last day of school

[00:28:38] before Christmas break.

[00:28:39] I was in eighth grade.

[00:28:40] Saw it with my three best friends

[00:28:41] and a guy who wound up going with us

[00:28:43] that I don't know why

[00:28:44] but you know he was there.

[00:28:45] Shout out to him.

[00:28:46] Sure.

[00:28:47] Worked to the plant area.

[00:28:48] Thanks guys.

[00:28:49] And it was amazing.

[00:28:50] It was a great time.

[00:28:51] And then I brought a journal entry

[00:28:53] from December 26th 1997.

[00:28:56] In which I write about,

[00:28:57] see today's the 26th and I went to see Titanic again.

[00:29:00] I swear no movie has ever hit me so hard

[00:29:02] or ever got me closer to crying.

[00:29:04] I didn't cry in movies much then even now.

[00:29:06] You were closed off.

[00:29:07] I know but I loved it.

[00:29:08] 13 is right there.

[00:29:10] 13.

[00:29:11] Let's see.

[00:29:12] It's been haunting me ever since Monday

[00:29:13] when I first saw it.

[00:29:14] It's so wonderful.

[00:29:15] Especially considering my lifelong accession

[00:29:17] with the Titanic.

[00:29:18] So-

[00:29:19] That's a good journal entry.

[00:29:20] I saw it twice over the course of Christmas break

[00:29:21] and eventually I think seven times

[00:29:23] with my family and in theaters.

[00:29:25] Yeah, no this is my family went.

[00:29:26] Like my dad went out of town

[00:29:27] and my mom took all three of us

[00:29:28] just like for fun on a Tuesday night.

[00:29:31] So you were one of the many Americans

[00:29:32] who just saw it over and over again.

[00:29:33] Yeah, that's just what we did.

[00:29:34] And it was so my town still had

[00:29:36] a downtown theater at that point.

[00:29:37] It was like not like an old movie palace

[00:29:39] I could just built in the 60s

[00:29:40] but it was like you know we could write our bikes there

[00:29:42] and go see Titanic.

[00:29:43] And it closed like a while ago

[00:29:45] but it was in that theater from December until May.

[00:29:48] Like I went to see it like when school got out

[00:29:50] at the end of that semester.

[00:29:51] So it was like a full semester's worth of eighth grade

[00:29:53] of point of sea Titanic.

[00:29:54] Who can tell me the movie

[00:29:55] that knocked Titanic off at the box office

[00:29:57] in April's Boston Space?

[00:29:59] Which I also saw in theaters.

[00:30:01] I also saw them theaters.

[00:30:03] Good movie.

[00:30:03] William Hurd.

[00:30:04] We'll do it for him.

[00:30:05] That movie is out of its fucking mind.

[00:30:07] Mimi Rogers and Gary Oldman.

[00:30:10] Jared Harris.

[00:30:11] Don't forget Jared Harris or Lacey Shabir.

[00:30:13] Okay so we were all in the age range of-

[00:30:16] Sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade.

[00:30:18] Yeah, yeah we were kind of, yeah.

[00:30:20] In a succession of years.

[00:30:22] I'm wondering how much you guys were aware

[00:30:24] of parents being anti this movie.

[00:30:27] Not wanting you to go see it being a little concerned.

[00:30:30] Because of the nudity.

[00:30:32] That was not an issue with me.

[00:30:33] Well ready for my story.

[00:30:35] Oh baby of the podcast.

[00:30:37] Baby of the podcast.

[00:30:38] Second baby.

[00:30:39] Second baby.

[00:30:40] So Griffin you were probably about seven or eight years old?

[00:30:42] I was in fourth grade I believe.

[00:30:43] Sure, sure.

[00:30:45] I did not see this movie in theaters.

[00:30:48] My parents saw it early and they came home

[00:30:50] and they went it is bad, not worth seeing.

[00:30:54] Oh my God.

[00:30:55] Tell my parents basically reacted.

[00:30:56] Right now I also you know like as I've talked about

[00:30:59] in the past and also as a parent

[00:31:01] from all my behavior as a human being

[00:31:03] my parents were like very protective media wise

[00:31:06] when I was growing up.

[00:31:07] Well you weren't allowed to see cynical films

[00:31:08] as we discussed on this podcast.

[00:31:09] Titanic is maybe the least cynical film

[00:31:11] on this series.

[00:31:12] The most earnest movie ever made.

[00:31:15] But I...

[00:31:17] It is literally a story of cynics on a fucking boat

[00:31:20] who are hunting for treasure

[00:31:21] like having their cynicism pulled out of them

[00:31:24] by an old magic lady.

[00:31:25] David Fudging boat.

[00:31:26] Also historically this is a story about hubris

[00:31:30] and about how the industry,

[00:31:32] like the dark side of the industrial revolution

[00:31:34] and class stratification all that.

[00:31:36] But Cameron is one of you know

[00:31:39] a few handful of filmmakers I think

[00:31:41] who had approached this story and be like,

[00:31:42] but it was so cool.

[00:31:44] Like it was so awesome.

[00:31:45] But he does, I mean the Billy Zane character

[00:31:47] he's investing the sort of like these rich people

[00:31:50] having their toys and their power

[00:31:51] like stripped away from them in that character.

[00:31:53] But yes he is also like...

[00:31:55] But you can still go,

[00:31:56] Ooh!

[00:31:56] Wasn't it amazing that they built this giant boat?

[00:31:57] Look at the engines, look at the turbines.

[00:31:59] That's what's so amazing about this movie

[00:32:00] is that it is so in love with the Titanic

[00:32:02] even though it's also acknowledging

[00:32:04] like it was a horribly built thing

[00:32:06] like it didn't make any sense.

[00:32:07] It was a bad idea.

[00:32:07] That ship would not ride again.

[00:32:08] It looked so good.

[00:32:11] Look great.

[00:32:12] All right so you didn't see the film in theaters.

[00:32:13] Can I just give a little side shout out?

[00:32:15] Kitty Rich, goddamn pro.

[00:32:17] That was incredible.

[00:32:18] Because the whole she was reading,

[00:32:20] pulling up diary entries on her phone,

[00:32:22] talking off the dome, not missing a word,

[00:32:25] doing like ninja mom moves.

[00:32:27] You can't describe it but there was like four different...

[00:32:28] James Cameron with your love of mothers.

[00:32:31] Guys women can have it all.

[00:32:32] I'm gonna move that.

[00:32:34] Tis the season.

[00:32:35] Podcasts, babies.

[00:32:37] Podcasts appeared.

[00:32:38] But there was like let's try the pacifier,

[00:32:39] no let's shift to the bottle,

[00:32:40] let's do some rocking, change positions.

[00:32:42] Out missing a beat was unbelievable.

[00:32:43] Meanwhile just trying to praise Katie,

[00:32:45] you almost knocked your microphone over.

[00:32:46] I punched my microphone.

[00:32:48] All right, so you didn't see the film in theaters.

[00:32:50] Right, so at the time...

[00:32:51] Did you want to or did you just take that on board?

[00:32:53] I think there was a little bit of like,

[00:32:55] not Stockholm syndrome but like conditioning

[00:32:57] where it was like if I want to see something

[00:33:00] that all the cool kids like,

[00:33:00] my parents were like you can't see that.

[00:33:02] I'd be like pfft, I don't wanna see that.

[00:33:03] My parents told me it's stupid.

[00:33:04] Right.

[00:33:05] You know like I have to play the elitist thing.

[00:33:07] So you were non-rebellious and instead,

[00:33:08] right you dialed into whatever,

[00:33:10] being like a fake grown-up.

[00:33:10] But like wouldn't saying my parents said it's...

[00:33:12] I'll be married to a big knight.

[00:33:13] Yeah.

[00:33:14] Making of Tucci.

[00:33:14] But is that like the opposite of the cool kids?

[00:33:15] Like my parents told me not to see it.

[00:33:17] Well see I wouldn't frame it as that.

[00:33:19] The Tucci and Canvas class.

[00:33:20] We're like oh I heard it was bad,

[00:33:21] like I read a review.

[00:33:22] We're just having two parallel,

[00:33:24] diverse in conversations.

[00:33:26] Yes, I would do that.

[00:33:27] I would like, I would high road them

[00:33:28] not by being like my parents told me it's bad

[00:33:30] but be like I don't know,

[00:33:31] that movie looks uninteresting to me.

[00:33:32] Right, right.

[00:33:33] You know, I would like do that.

[00:33:35] So at that point they didn't say I couldn't see it.

[00:33:37] I could have gone to see that movie.

[00:33:39] But they said it was bad.

[00:33:39] Piki13, you could have gone.

[00:33:40] Right.

[00:33:41] We're like seven.

[00:33:42] You're pretty little.

[00:33:43] All my friends saw it.

[00:33:44] Every one of my grades saw it.

[00:33:46] Alone without a parent?

[00:33:48] He went to hippie Brooklyn private school.

[00:33:50] It's not for...

[00:33:51] Yeah, you know my sister was in fourth grade

[00:33:52] and she saw it and all her friends saw it.

[00:33:54] My brother did not see it.

[00:33:55] So at this point I was in hippie...

[00:33:58] Manhattan private school?

[00:33:59] Yes, lower east side.

[00:34:00] Sorry, sorry you were not yet at it.

[00:34:01] Right.

[00:34:02] Happy Brooklyn private school.

[00:34:03] Please, big difference.

[00:34:04] But all my friends saw it.

[00:34:06] It was like the movie definitely.

[00:34:08] Everyone I knew had seen it when I went to summer camp.

[00:34:10] Everyone I knew had seen it.

[00:34:11] But I just was like, I heard it's corny.

[00:34:14] Me and my friend Gavin love the movie.

[00:34:17] This is like a friend I had when I was in primary school.

[00:34:20] And would play, my heart will go on

[00:34:22] on like my sound system and like dance around to it.

[00:34:25] We were 11 year old boys, maybe 12.

[00:34:27] Isn't that crazy?

[00:34:29] Isn't that like with no, with abandon.

[00:34:31] We were like so happy to do this.

[00:34:33] That's so charming.

[00:34:34] Is it?

[00:34:35] Do you guys remember, I don't know if they did that.

[00:34:37] I imagine they did this at every radio station

[00:34:39] but they would play like the mega mixers.

[00:34:41] Oh yeah with the dialogue over it?

[00:34:43] Yeah, yeah.

[00:34:44] You jump by jump.

[00:34:46] I'll never let go and it like echoes.

[00:34:47] Never let go?

[00:34:49] All right.

[00:34:50] So when did you see that?

[00:34:50] Pabella's one of your caskers.

[00:34:53] So when I was like 15 or 16

[00:34:55] at the height of my own cynicism

[00:34:59] I was like in this thing

[00:35:00] I think I talked about this in the past

[00:35:01] where I just was like homework is stupid

[00:35:02] I'm only gonna watch movies.

[00:35:04] And so I just like every night

[00:35:06] would just try to watch a different movie

[00:35:07] I hadn't seen before on TV

[00:35:09] and like Titanic was playing the night

[00:35:10] and I was like I'm gonna watch Titanic.

[00:35:11] Okay.

[00:35:12] You know at this point.

[00:35:13] This is years later.

[00:35:14] Been like eight years since the movie had come out.

[00:35:15] You know this was 19, this was 2005 maybe?

[00:35:19] And I was like I'm gonna watch it.

[00:35:20] I watched it full screen like standard deaf

[00:35:24] on my little bedroom TV.

[00:35:25] No it was on like, you know,

[00:35:27] Cinemax or whatever.

[00:35:29] Yeah it was on like a movie channel

[00:35:30] was uninterrupted but it was like

[00:35:31] not a good format low deaf.

[00:35:33] On a CRT.

[00:35:34] I had a really small TV in my room

[00:35:36] and I was like this is dumb.

[00:35:38] Watch the whole thing

[00:35:39] because I liked Cameron a lot.

[00:35:40] After it hit the iceberg

[00:35:41] I was like the ship stuff's cool.

[00:35:44] Rest the movie's dumb.

[00:35:45] That was the classic boy.

[00:35:46] I would say as a boy.

[00:35:48] They was like yeah well you know

[00:35:49] all the romance stuff's boring

[00:35:50] but then it's cool because like everyone dies.

[00:35:52] But here's the thing that's kind of interesting.

[00:35:53] Okay.

[00:35:54] Yeah.

[00:35:55] Like that's the most stereotypically male thing

[00:35:57] that has ever happened in my life.

[00:35:59] That I felt that way about Titanic at the time

[00:36:01] which was like kind of usually off

[00:36:03] from how I felt about things.

[00:36:04] I was at 15 or 16 mostly interested

[00:36:07] into romance movies.

[00:36:08] Like that was...

[00:36:09] Alright alright.

[00:36:10] I loved like love stories

[00:36:11] and I was like this is corny,

[00:36:13] it's like over raw,

[00:36:14] it's lacking in specificity,

[00:36:15] it's just like kind of like pablum.

[00:36:18] So like watch it was like eh.

[00:36:19] You know, technical accomplishment.

[00:36:21] Eh don't care right?

[00:36:22] And then like six months later

[00:36:24] I was with my buddy Derek Simon

[00:36:25] who I've talked about before.

[00:36:27] Lived in Long Island.

[00:36:27] We would make little short films together.

[00:36:29] He's about to be married.

[00:36:30] Went to his house.

[00:36:30] He's about to be married next weekend

[00:36:31] as we're recording this.

[00:36:33] Went to his house for the weekend

[00:36:35] to like make a little short film.

[00:36:36] And then we like saw Titanic was on TV

[00:36:38] and we never finished our movie

[00:36:40] because we were like let's just watch Titanic.

[00:36:41] We both just sat there and we're like

[00:36:42] this is dumb, this movie sucks right?

[00:36:44] So he blows, watched the entire thing right?

[00:36:46] Then like another time Derek and I

[00:36:48] ended up doing the same thing

[00:36:49] where we were supposed to make a movie

[00:36:50] and we watched the entire

[00:36:51] to get Titanic on TV.

[00:36:52] It is, he does that.

[00:36:53] No I don't.

[00:36:54] He does it.

[00:36:55] It's dumb.

[00:36:56] I mean it's like that's good stuff in it

[00:36:57] but it's like not a good movie like objectively.

[00:37:00] And then cut to 2012.

[00:37:02] The 3D re-release right?

[00:37:04] No in between these two things right?

[00:37:07] Watching with Derek and the 3D re-release

[00:37:09] I had gone to a Goodwill

[00:37:11] and I saw that they had the Titanic,

[00:37:12] the VHS set with the two tapes.

[00:37:15] The two tapes yeah.

[00:37:15] And I was like I like this stuff

[00:37:16] after they hit the iceberg.

[00:37:17] I'm just gonna buy the second tape.

[00:37:20] Oh my God.

[00:37:21] That's obnoxious.

[00:37:22] It's obnoxious.

[00:37:23] I think the iceberg hits

[00:37:24] before the second tape begins

[00:37:24] if I remember correctly.

[00:37:25] It must because the second tape

[00:37:27] it couldn't be you know

[00:37:28] cause the iceberg hits about two hours.

[00:37:29] Or also they showed it in my theater

[00:37:30] with an intermission so I might be thinking

[00:37:32] where the intermission started.

[00:37:33] Sure fair enough.

[00:37:34] Where was the intermission?

[00:37:35] All right.

[00:37:35] I'm gonna look at it.

[00:37:36] I think it was in different places

[00:37:37] and for us it was right when they sent the flare out

[00:37:39] and it's like the big shot into the blackness.

[00:37:42] That's where the intermission was.

[00:37:43] Cause I don't think there was

[00:37:44] like a studio suggested intermission.

[00:37:46] I think theaters some theaters

[00:37:47] just chose to place the intermission.

[00:37:49] So you could go to the backdoor.

[00:37:50] Probably true.

[00:37:51] And buy more stuff.

[00:37:52] I would watch, I mean

[00:37:53] A I was kind of a jerk

[00:37:54] because I bought only the second tape

[00:37:56] of Titanic which means someone was stuck

[00:37:57] only buying the first tape of Titanic.

[00:37:58] A 10 real film by the way.

[00:38:00] Oh my God.

[00:38:01] I got a 10 realer.

[00:38:02] Wow.

[00:38:04] I would watch just the second tape

[00:38:05] a bunch with my friends.

[00:38:06] I liked that.

[00:38:07] And then when the 3D release happened

[00:38:09] I was like, I gotta see this thing like

[00:38:11] you know.

[00:38:12] Yes Griffin.

[00:38:13] All right, wrap this story up.

[00:38:14] So I went and saw it in 3D.

[00:38:15] I was like, I need to see this on a big screen

[00:38:16] and like the proper dimensions all of that.

[00:38:18] Like see if I can get it.

[00:38:20] And the movie starts right?

[00:38:21] 3D I was going on a second date

[00:38:23] with a relationship that did not go anywhere.

[00:38:26] But it was someone I liked a lot at the time

[00:38:27] and so I was like into that.

[00:38:28] I was like jazzed about the fact

[00:38:29] that I was like with her.

[00:38:31] The lights go down, there's the black

[00:38:33] and then as it like fades in on the sepia

[00:38:36] you know footage of the Titanic

[00:38:38] and the first string

[00:38:40] I immediately hear people cry.

[00:38:42] Right?

[00:38:42] That's how I reacted just when I rewatched it just now.

[00:38:46] Yeah.

[00:38:46] And I went, oh I get it.

[00:38:48] Like already I get it.

[00:38:49] Seeing it with a crowd is huge.

[00:38:50] So that was the thing.

[00:38:51] I saw it like the 3D remastered was like good.

[00:38:54] It's obviously not the ideal format of the movie

[00:38:56] but I thought it was well done.

[00:38:57] But I was seeing it in widescreen

[00:38:58] in a big sold out theater on a Friday night

[00:39:00] and it was like a date night.

[00:39:01] I think they opened it right around Valentine's Day.

[00:39:04] And I just the whole time was like,

[00:39:05] I get this, I get this 100%

[00:39:07] and the stuff that I previously thought corny

[00:39:08] I was like this is so effective.

[00:39:10] This is like, I mean it's like immaculately designed

[00:39:13] like strategic attacks on your heart.

[00:39:16] Right?

[00:39:17] And it's so well done

[00:39:18] and then the stuff after they hit the iceberg

[00:39:19] I was like even better than it was for me before

[00:39:21] because now I got the emotional investment.

[00:39:23] I probably watched it one more time since then

[00:39:24] I own it on Blu-ray.

[00:39:25] You watch movies now and then you watch Titanic

[00:39:27] and you're like fuck, like they'll never do stuff like

[00:39:29] this again in a movie.

[00:39:30] Yeah, right, yeah.

[00:39:31] Yeah, Titanic's the best.

[00:39:32] I love it now, I own it.

[00:39:34] I've watched it a couple times since then.

[00:39:34] You remember watching it in Viniology?

[00:39:36] Yeah, the best.

[00:39:37] That was, I think we talked about this on the podcast

[00:39:39] but yeah, it was playing before trivia

[00:39:41] and so there was a huge crowd assemble.

[00:39:43] Titanic was finishing and then in that last scene,

[00:39:47] you know, we'll get to it

[00:39:48] but the last literally scene in the movie

[00:39:50] everyone just starts screaming.

[00:39:52] Do you remember that?

[00:39:52] It was really...

[00:39:54] The scene with old Rose?

[00:39:56] It's a dream she has.

[00:39:57] Or is it a dream?

[00:39:58] Or is it a dream?

[00:39:59] That's what wins the film best picture.

[00:40:02] To me, that's what wins the film,

[00:40:03] a billion dollars plus worldwide.

[00:40:05] That's why people see it again

[00:40:06] because it has a happy ending somehow

[00:40:08] even though it's about the sinking of the Titanic.

[00:40:10] It's insane but to your point what you said,

[00:40:12] I mean even just, I watched this on Blu-ray

[00:40:14] because a lot of times with this podcast

[00:40:16] especially when it's like rewatching movies

[00:40:17] I've seen a bunch of times that we're covering

[00:40:19] I'll download it onto my Amazon Kindle Fire

[00:40:21] which is a great product, right?

[00:40:23] Wow, wow.

[00:40:24] Non-HD Amazon Kindle Fire.

[00:40:26] It was $40, it's not HD, I should probably upgrade.

[00:40:29] You probably should.

[00:40:30] Jeff Bezos won't give me one, I texted him a lot

[00:40:32] and he goes, new phone who dissed.

[00:40:35] And a lot of times I'll watch it on Netflix or whatever

[00:40:39] on my laptop in my bed when I'm trying to fall asleep

[00:40:41] and watch a piecemeal or whatever.

[00:40:42] For this I was like, I'm gonna sit down,

[00:40:44] I'm gonna watch the entirety of Titanic

[00:40:46] on Blu-ray, on my TV

[00:40:48] and was just taken aback by like

[00:40:49] this still looks like the biggest movie ever made.

[00:40:51] It's true, it's very seamless.

[00:40:53] Like 19 years later.

[00:40:54] He makes little tweaks and fixes I think

[00:40:55] but it's very seamless.

[00:40:56] It still looks like the most expensive movie ever made.

[00:40:58] Like I don't know if there's a movie

[00:40:59] that feels larger to me than Titanic.

[00:41:01] And what's the actual most expensive movie ever made now?

[00:41:03] Is it like Pirates of the Caribbean 3 or something?

[00:41:05] Or like 5, no.

[00:41:06] Or maybe 4, 4.

[00:41:07] What's the last movie made?

[00:41:09] Bon Stranger Time.

[00:41:10] He has never disclosed,

[00:41:11] no one has ever disclosed

[00:41:12] the actual final budget for Avatar.

[00:41:14] Avatar right, yeah.

[00:41:15] The common belief is that Avatar

[00:41:17] is the most expensive movie

[00:41:18] but they've never admitted how much it costs.

[00:41:19] Right, but the highest reported budget

[00:41:21] is on Stranger Time.

[00:41:22] Pirates of the Caribbean for $378 million.

[00:41:26] It's all on the screen.

[00:41:27] Johnny Depp got 300.

[00:41:29] Who can tell me what that movie is about?

[00:41:31] Some Stranger Time.

[00:41:33] Okay, we're done talking about us seeing the movie.

[00:41:35] We're gonna talk about the movie.

[00:41:37] Bill Paxson.

[00:41:38] Okay so the movie starts with like an abyss ship.

[00:41:40] I mean first there's the CPI montage.

[00:41:43] We see the footage.

[00:41:43] Which is essential, the CPI montage

[00:41:45] like that seems like something

[00:41:46] that at the end they were like,

[00:41:46] Jim you need to have something in the beginning.

[00:41:48] It can't just start in the summer.

[00:41:51] It came here for a romance.

[00:41:52] Set the tone.

[00:41:53] I will say the entire prologue

[00:41:55] until you finally do the like, okay back to 1912.

[00:42:00] The sheets and ribbon slept in?

[00:42:01] Oh yeah with that but like building up to it

[00:42:04] it takes its time.

[00:42:05] It must be like almost a half an hour.

[00:42:06] I think it is, yeah.

[00:42:07] I thought it was more, it's like 20 minutes.

[00:42:09] Okay, but it's so well-paced.

[00:42:11] I think they give you just enough

[00:42:13] of like morsels of like,

[00:42:14] you know that you're walking

[00:42:15] and you've seen the poster.

[00:42:16] You know that it's Leonardo DiCaprio

[00:42:17] and Kate Wins that like having

[00:42:19] a hot sexy time on a boat.

[00:42:20] And they give you these little,

[00:42:22] Very accurate.

[00:42:23] Like actual,

[00:42:24] Literally steamy.

[00:42:25] Yeah.

[00:42:26] Actual flashes like you know,

[00:42:29] I get chills when I see the shot of

[00:42:32] or when she is looking at the submarine footage

[00:42:35] and you get those little like flashbacks.

[00:42:37] Oh like the music.

[00:42:38] Yeah the music, his eyes.

[00:42:39] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:42:40] You see him at the top of the stairs

[00:42:41] and all that like it's almost like

[00:42:43] it's more rewarding going back.

[00:42:45] I wanna watch Titanic again.

[00:42:46] Going back and watching it.

[00:42:47] We need to go back to Titanic.

[00:42:49] Going back and watching it even

[00:42:50] in the fourth or the sixth time or whatever.

[00:42:51] When you see that and you've already seen the movie

[00:42:53] several times, you're like,

[00:42:54] yes I'm watching Titanic.

[00:42:56] Like that's the feeling.

[00:42:57] Yeah absolutely.

[00:42:58] But it is huge.

[00:42:59] And like, cause like think about it,

[00:43:01] the amount they have to convey,

[00:43:02] it's like you see them diving

[00:43:03] and they're in the ship and he's like these,

[00:43:05] these windows are a foot thick or you know,

[00:43:07] nine inches thick or you know,

[00:43:08] like it's so deep.

[00:43:10] And you see inside the wreck

[00:43:11] and it's the real wreck

[00:43:12] and you're like right?

[00:43:14] His little robots like going through the doorway.

[00:43:16] Duncan.

[00:43:17] And then they don't find

[00:43:19] whatever they're looking for.

[00:43:19] Yeah Duncan, right.

[00:43:21] And then they find the nude picture

[00:43:23] and then you see Gloria Stewart

[00:43:24] and Susie Ames at home looking at it

[00:43:26] and then they fly on

[00:43:27] and they're explaining who she is.

[00:43:28] Like that is a lot for 20.

[00:43:29] And there's a lot of jokes in that sequence.

[00:43:31] Yeah yeah yeah.

[00:43:32] Which I think is really important

[00:43:33] cause you're sounding up for historical romance.

[00:43:34] Well an Abernethy kills.

[00:43:35] Yeah yeah yeah.

[00:43:36] You get Bill Pex and being like

[00:43:37] the ghost ship rising from the darkness

[00:43:39] and immediately that guy calls him on his shit.

[00:43:40] You're like okay so we're all agreeing

[00:43:42] that there's like humor in this.

[00:43:43] And when they open the safe

[00:43:44] and the diamond isn't in there

[00:43:46] and they go.

[00:43:46] Right don't worry the same thing happened

[00:43:47] in Geraldo and that only ruined his career.

[00:43:49] But this speaks to like how big this movie

[00:43:52] is not just on like a technical sort of scale

[00:43:54] production level but even just like

[00:43:56] the epicness of the storytelling in this movie

[00:43:59] is that like I'm not just using a modern day explorer

[00:44:02] as like a quick intro into the movie.

[00:44:04] He's setting up like an arc for this guy.

[00:44:06] That's the thing.

[00:44:07] Like the first 20 minutes this movie is like

[00:44:09] we're not taking like.

[00:44:10] It's him right.

[00:44:10] We're not rushing, right it's him.

[00:44:12] He's the treasure hunter who then realizes like

[00:44:14] no this is a this is human.

[00:44:16] This is people.

[00:44:17] But I also think like the way as you said

[00:44:20] that they construct it where it's like

[00:44:22] first we're seeing the technical thing

[00:44:23] then we're sort of meeting the characters

[00:44:25] then we're understanding the struggle

[00:44:26] of what he's looking for.

[00:44:27] Then we're introduced to old Rose.

[00:44:29] Like all of that he's saying like sit back.

[00:44:31] Like this could take some time.

[00:44:32] Sure right.

[00:44:33] I got a pacing picture here.

[00:44:34] That's what ultimately made it.

[00:44:37] I think you know even if guys would scoff

[00:44:38] and say oh I only care about the ship

[00:44:40] that at least like doesn't turn them away.

[00:44:42] Right like you know like you realize

[00:44:45] oh this is somebody who does care about

[00:44:46] like the historical significance

[00:44:48] and like what's it like to go on a dive and all that.

[00:44:50] You got some classic Cameron Ruffnecks in the opening

[00:44:53] who are speaking kind of like the guys

[00:44:54] who are being dragged on date night.

[00:44:56] We're just like look I just wanna find that diamond

[00:44:58] I wanna get rich I wanna smoke a cigar

[00:45:00] I got one earring.

[00:45:01] Yeah like this chick's probably lying

[00:45:02] that she was on the Titanic.

[00:45:04] She's a very old lady.

[00:45:06] God damn right.

[00:45:07] Oh god damn right that's.

[00:45:08] Right these teenage boys sit there

[00:45:09] they don't want to see the movie

[00:45:10] and then immediately the movie tells them

[00:45:12] all women are liars and they go now.

[00:45:14] Red pills.

[00:45:15] Red pills.

[00:45:16] God.

[00:45:17] Two years before the matrix they weren't yet woke.

[00:45:20] But the MRA movement was a lot of wealth.

[00:45:22] Yeah.

[00:45:23] Of course but also there's just magic

[00:45:25] to the sight of the real red.

[00:45:26] That is like inescapable.

[00:45:28] Right like you know looking at that thing.

[00:45:29] And pecs and dyes are magic.

[00:45:30] Oh there's such a thing.

[00:45:31] It's so well lit that I didn't think at first

[00:45:34] that it was actually from the start.

[00:45:35] Some of it is real and some of it isn't

[00:45:36] they recreated some parts of it.

[00:45:38] I think the interiors are fake right.

[00:45:39] Some of them are real if you listen to

[00:45:41] James Cameron's commentary which I highly recommend.

[00:45:43] He'll tell you exactly what shocked a real.

[00:45:45] Wow.

[00:45:46] Okay.

[00:45:46] All right.

[00:45:47] Before we get off of the intro there's

[00:45:49] there's a master and not that we're

[00:45:50] getting off immediately.

[00:45:51] No we're getting off.

[00:45:52] But there's there's a master show

[00:45:54] because I think it's the key to the entire

[00:45:55] movie working as well as it does

[00:45:56] which is planted in the opening.

[00:45:58] So you know they're looking for the diamond

[00:46:01] they don't find it.

[00:46:02] They go on TV.

[00:46:03] She hears the news cash.

[00:46:05] She goes to them.

[00:46:06] Wasn't I dished?

[00:46:07] Right but also Paxton's like

[00:46:09] I don't think this is going to pan out.

[00:46:11] They go I think you want to talk to this person

[00:46:13] and then Abernathy is like look at the signs.

[00:46:15] The name there's no listing for her

[00:46:17] and the registry says she used to be an actress.

[00:46:20] Looks like she's just looking for attention.

[00:46:22] She'd have to be 101 years old.

[00:46:23] All this stuff right.

[00:46:25] So they're like setting it up like this

[00:46:26] isn't going to work.

[00:46:27] She gets there and the first thing they do

[00:46:30] is they mansplain to her the sinking of the Titanic.

[00:46:32] Oh yeah.

[00:46:33] Oh yeah and the CGI remodel

[00:46:35] that he shows you yeah.

[00:46:37] Thank you very much for your forensic analysis.

[00:46:40] Mr. Yeah.

[00:46:41] So it's great because it encapsulates the entire thing

[00:46:43] the movie is trying to do which is the balance

[00:46:45] between the emotions of the actual people

[00:46:47] who experience this thing and the spectacle

[00:46:48] of this crazy horrific thing that happened.

[00:46:50] Right.

[00:46:51] Yeah.

[00:46:51] But also because they have this scene

[00:46:54] which is like they make it part

[00:46:56] like of the sort of text of the movie

[00:46:57] which is her trying to find her own independence

[00:46:59] not one to live the life everyone wants her to have.

[00:47:01] And she's in a world of mansplaining constantly.

[00:47:03] Right.

[00:47:04] They also now in detail explain to you exactly

[00:47:07] what should be saying.

[00:47:08] Yeah what's going to happen.

[00:47:09] It's so crucial which is

[00:47:10] then you'll understand what's happening when.

[00:47:11] Yeah.

[00:47:12] You know what I'm going to say like yeah.

[00:47:13] Nobody will explain the compartments

[00:47:15] or like how it's going to split in half or everything.

[00:47:17] You just have to start.

[00:47:19] As someone was tilled like falling like

[00:47:20] oh it must be that the balance is going to go away.

[00:47:24] But you like can't can't help

[00:47:26] like the pressure of the gone.

[00:47:27] Sorry he gets it done so quickly

[00:47:29] at the beginning of the film

[00:47:30] he has Abernathy do it.

[00:47:31] So it's kind of funny.

[00:47:32] She's got a big ass in the air.

[00:47:33] Right.

[00:47:33] Because he's making jokes out of it

[00:47:35] so it feels like character development.

[00:47:36] Her response is telling you everything

[00:47:38] you need to know about her already

[00:47:39] and setting the stage for her lifelong battle.

[00:47:41] But then it also is now when the ship sinks

[00:47:43] all we have to track are the emotions.

[00:47:44] Yeah.

[00:47:45] But it's also an incredibly like cocky move to be like

[00:47:49] I think I can tell the audience

[00:47:50] everything that's going to happen.

[00:47:51] The joke is like twist ending the ship sinks right.

[00:47:53] That's what everyone the joke everyone made

[00:47:55] when the movie came out.

[00:47:56] Right.

[00:47:56] Why do I need to see it.

[00:47:57] I know what happens right.

[00:47:58] But he's like doubling down on that.

[00:47:59] It's like I'm going to tell you exactly

[00:48:01] how the ship sinks.

[00:48:02] You're going to know every beat of once things go wrong

[00:48:04] and you're still going to be invested in this thing.

[00:48:06] There is no real reason

[00:48:08] for them to show her that the animation.

[00:48:11] No really.

[00:48:11] It's like aggressive like your PTSD doing.

[00:48:15] Yeah.

[00:48:15] Now that you see that it's almost bizarre.

[00:48:18] This is you.

[00:48:20] But that's what I like is the fact

[00:48:21] that Abernathy is the one who's showing her makes

[00:48:24] they did that previs so I mean they just wanted to show it up.

[00:48:27] But I also think it works because that character

[00:48:29] is the one guy who'd be like she'd want to see this

[00:48:31] right.

[00:48:31] Right.

[00:48:32] Right.

[00:48:32] She'd probably love to see this forensic forensic.

[00:48:36] But you know people always talk about like you know this

[00:48:38] was famously like one of the only best picture winners

[00:48:41] to not be nominated for screenplay.

[00:48:43] I think maybe the only one in history maybe.

[00:48:45] No Braveheart I think.

[00:48:46] Or was it nominated.

[00:48:47] I'll look it up.

[00:48:49] But tonight be nominated.

[00:48:50] It's like a very rare thing and everyone's like all

[00:48:51] the dialogues hokey this and that.

[00:48:53] People focus too much on dialogue.

[00:48:55] Not nominated.

[00:48:56] OK.

[00:48:57] People focus too much on dialogue when they talk

[00:48:58] about screenplays because the thing this movie's got

[00:49:00] going for it is just structure structure structure.

[00:49:03] So good.

[00:49:03] It's insane.

[00:49:04] I mean it's like it's especially for an epic movie

[00:49:06] which I feel like is hard to pull off.

[00:49:07] It's a perfectly year of Hollywood designed movie

[00:49:10] from a writing standpoint like it has everything

[00:49:12] in the right order to pay off maximum.

[00:49:15] Also it doesn't really I mean because it is a love

[00:49:17] story I guess but it doesn't fall into the thing

[00:49:19] I think you would think a movie would fall into

[00:49:21] being a three hour movie about that Titanic

[00:49:23] which is just like oh it's going to be like Altmaney

[00:49:25] there's just going to be a million people.

[00:49:26] Sure which is the night term right yeah exactly.

[00:49:28] Yeah and those people are there but it's just like

[00:49:31] you're allowed to also kind of focus on

[00:49:33] like to have a movie that you trust to really

[00:49:36] essentially two characters the entire time

[00:49:38] and it's three hours long and it takes place

[00:49:40] on the Titanic just feels like.

[00:49:42] And to constantly be looping in like oh but here's

[00:49:45] the captain or here's Molly Brown or here's Ismay

[00:49:47] like here are the real people and I've made sure

[00:49:49] to like but they're just giving them all their

[00:49:51] proper names.

[00:49:52] I mean little side dishes.

[00:49:54] Even if you look at the way like you know

[00:49:55] I always think that Jeanne Goldstein's part

[00:49:58] is bigger than it is because it leaves such an impact.

[00:50:00] But she's on screen.

[00:50:01] Scenes maybe three very brief scenes.

[00:50:03] Three scenes that are each like 15 seconds long.

[00:50:05] You see her entering you see her when she's saying

[00:50:08] to her kids like the first classes

[00:50:10] momies and daddies have to go right like you know yeah.

[00:50:13] And then the final scene.

[00:50:14] But there is like you know as much as Cameron

[00:50:17] gets kind of raked over the coals for not having

[00:50:18] a sense of sort of like you know specificity

[00:50:23] you know or sort of like realism to his sort of

[00:50:26] there is characters you know it's like oh he writes

[00:50:29] it very large you know they speak their emotions

[00:50:31] and all of that.

[00:50:32] I mean no one better exemplifies this than fucking

[00:50:35] what's the Italian guy.

[00:50:37] Oh yeah yeah.

[00:50:38] I can see the statue of Liberty.

[00:50:40] The actor's name is Danny Newchie.

[00:50:42] The character's name is Fabrizio.

[00:50:44] I mean that's that my I'm not gonna go to New York

[00:50:47] and be in a band called The Strokes.

[00:50:52] If you said that then the movie would get

[00:50:54] six stars for me.

[00:50:56] That would guarantee a screenplay nomination.

[00:50:58] Yeah.

[00:50:58] I'm gonna date the Drew Barrymore.

[00:51:03] He's just I mean like I Cameron's fetishization of

[00:51:09] immigrants white immigrants to America.

[00:51:12] Yeah.

[00:51:12] Especially the Irish and the Italians in this movie

[00:51:14] is a little much I would say even for this movie

[00:51:19] but nothing is more much than Fabrizio.

[00:51:21] He almost says Mamma Mia when he dies.

[00:51:23] Like I mean you almost remember him saying that

[00:51:26] even though he doesn't.

[00:51:27] But I think the key to it is as you said

[00:51:31] like so he doesn't take an alt-mini approach right.

[00:51:33] It really is these two characters

[00:51:34] everyone else is sort of like an adversary

[00:51:36] the other major characters right

[00:51:38] or adversarial forces.

[00:51:39] But it's like he's got the upstairs downstairs approach

[00:51:41] that's his that's his hook right.

[00:51:43] And those human elements like he writes them

[00:51:45] really big and really unsubtle in the first half

[00:51:47] of the movie totally right.

[00:51:48] And they don't go down easily

[00:51:49] but they stick in your craw.

[00:51:50] Especially remember their initial introductions

[00:51:53] are so broad like when they're getting on to the shit.

[00:51:56] Yeah like her being like Titanic I guess it's big

[00:51:59] and even like Molly Brown you know

[00:52:01] like all that sort of stuff.

[00:52:02] It's like OK the first half of the movie

[00:52:04] you're like this is kind of clunky

[00:52:05] but the second half when we don't have time

[00:52:07] to like have character moments

[00:52:09] and Jimmy really cuts it down to the bone

[00:52:11] and does a lot of these big emotional beats

[00:52:13] just through looks or actions or stuff like that.

[00:52:15] It helps to be like I know Fabrizio

[00:52:17] he's climbing up the ropes and trying to cut them now

[00:52:19] I know that guy.

[00:52:20] You know the Irish guy right.

[00:52:22] Like that all pays off later

[00:52:24] because as you Ryan.

[00:52:26] Yeah as much as it isn't like a kaleidoscopic

[00:52:29] ensemble kind of film it's like the fact

[00:52:31] that the captain gets as big of an emotional moment

[00:52:34] you know Garber for Breedsy all these characters.

[00:52:36] Yeah it's crazy.

[00:52:38] I mean I want to say and this is going to sound

[00:52:42] kind of dismissive but it is they are setting still.

[00:52:46] They're not really characters

[00:52:48] but they're there too.

[00:52:49] I mean the thing is that they're really

[00:52:51] it's a really well flushed out setting

[00:52:53] so they are very you need all of these elements

[00:52:56] to fully realize like this is the world

[00:52:58] that they live in.

[00:52:59] This is like and the ship is a microcosm of the world

[00:53:02] and their love is a microcosm of the ship

[00:53:04] and all that and so like you have to have this

[00:53:06] you know kind of Greek chorus of you know

[00:53:09] the Irish kids and the snobby ladies

[00:53:13] and first class.

[00:53:14] Absolutely the Countess the quartet

[00:53:16] and like individually those things

[00:53:18] I think are probably a little weak but over.

[00:53:20] The corny the corny.

[00:53:21] A little corny a little easy.

[00:53:23] Yeah I'll say but I think that

[00:53:26] some of them all together and just like

[00:53:28] also just the rhythm of going back and forth

[00:53:31] you know going from like the dinner

[00:53:32] to going down to the rowdy party downstairs.

[00:53:35] I feel like he's very clear about it too.

[00:53:36] I was noticing it on my rewatch for this podcast.

[00:53:40] It's like he really makes sure

[00:53:42] to take you down methodically every time

[00:53:44] and then back up.

[00:53:45] Like he loves to take you through the decks

[00:53:47] of the ship one by one

[00:53:48] and really communicate like how much difference there is

[00:53:52] and of course everything is very broad

[00:53:54] and that is part of how it can get down.

[00:53:56] Katie has re-entered the studio

[00:53:57] with a newly quieted Charlie.

[00:53:59] What did she do to him?

[00:54:01] We're gonna see if this takes.

[00:54:02] I feel like Charlie doesn't like our commentary.

[00:54:05] He disagrees with all of our points.

[00:54:06] He doesn't like our analysis.

[00:54:07] Yeah he has a lot to say about Titanic guys

[00:54:09] as he's been trying to tell you.

[00:54:10] So we should actually talk about

[00:54:13] the introduction of these characters

[00:54:14] and maybe at the flood who they are.

[00:54:16] Yeah so basically I wanna talk about Billy's name

[00:54:19] but let's just get it.

[00:54:20] Lewis plays the video.

[00:54:22] Does that seem like what you remember

[00:54:24] and she's like it was 75 years ago

[00:54:26] and they're like oh great old lady

[00:54:27] she's not gonna remember anything.

[00:54:28] Yeah Bill Pax is like anything you can remember

[00:54:30] just whatever, you know,

[00:54:31] the old sense memory maybe.

[00:54:33] Is there a color that you were so scared of?

[00:54:36] I remember it like it was yesterday.

[00:54:38] Boom Bill Pax.

[00:54:39] Boom.

[00:54:40] I really wanna say Gloria Stewart

[00:54:42] is someone who's incredible in this movie

[00:54:44] and I remember as a kid I dismissed her

[00:54:45] and thought it was hacky

[00:54:46] that she got an Oscar nomination.

[00:54:47] I was like what she's an old lady.

[00:54:49] Now you watch it.

[00:54:50] It's a remarkable performance.

[00:54:52] She's an old silent movie actress.

[00:54:54] She was the leading lady in The Invisible Man.

[00:54:56] Right and the original Universal Monster.

[00:54:58] Cameron wanted Faye Ray, they say,

[00:55:00] or like you know he wanted like an old actress

[00:55:01] and it is such a clever idea

[00:55:03] to like link it back to that era.

[00:55:05] Yeah.

[00:55:06] Both in the time of Peppa Films

[00:55:07] he's trying to make end obviously,

[00:55:08] the period he's trying to recreate.

[00:55:10] I think she was E6 when they filmed it.

[00:55:11] Yeah she was not 101 years old or whatever.

[00:55:14] And they said she looked too young

[00:55:15] so they had to apply old age makeup to her.

[00:55:17] The makeup's really good.

[00:55:18] The makeup is,

[00:55:19] I did not know that.

[00:55:20] Yeah she is very wrinkly.

[00:55:21] And the liver spots too are really well done.

[00:55:23] She died five or six years ago at the age of 100.

[00:55:28] Wow.

[00:55:28] Cameron was at her 100th birthday party.

[00:55:30] Wow.

[00:55:32] That's her in her glory days.

[00:55:34] Wow.

[00:55:36] It's also good cause she was like.

[00:55:38] She stayed a marks or was married to a marks brother.

[00:55:41] I feel like I made that up maybe.

[00:55:46] Are you reading Gloria Stewart slash fiction?

[00:55:48] Garafter Marks once interviewed her.

[00:55:50] Oh okay.

[00:55:51] Maybe I knew that she was,

[00:55:53] I was into the Marks brothers in 1997

[00:55:56] so I feel like maybe that's,

[00:55:58] I was aware of that.

[00:55:59] She once,

[00:56:01] in 1972 she drew a painting of the Watts Towers.

[00:56:04] Oh.

[00:56:05] She became an artist after 1945.

[00:56:07] That's what you were thinking of.

[00:56:08] She didn't date a Mark, she painted the Watts.

[00:56:11] That's it.

[00:56:12] That's what it is.

[00:56:13] That's okay.

[00:56:14] I remember it like it was yesterday.

[00:56:15] She made de coupage.

[00:56:18] She made bonsai artwork.

[00:56:20] She was a smoker,

[00:56:21] was diagnosed with lung cancer at 94.

[00:56:24] Dang.

[00:56:25] Still held on for six plus years.

[00:56:26] Give me six more.

[00:56:27] Yeah.

[00:56:28] Six more and I'm good.

[00:56:29] Holy shit.

[00:56:30] A lifelong Democrat.

[00:56:33] Yeah she's, she was married twice.

[00:56:36] The second guy they were married for like 40 years.

[00:56:38] Yeah.

[00:56:39] That was James Cameron right?

[00:56:40] Avid environmentalist.

[00:56:42] I do think it's smart.

[00:56:43] Funny man.

[00:56:44] Like thank you.

[00:56:45] I do think it's smart because like, you know,

[00:56:48] Fay Ray is even a little more iconic than Gloria Stewart.

[00:56:51] I think we're smart to get someone

[00:56:52] who is like part of that era but not like.

[00:56:54] Right, that doesn't stick out.

[00:56:55] Right, it was kind of like a nice like,

[00:56:56] we're giving her one last shot.

[00:56:57] Like she never was huge in her heyday

[00:56:59] and here she gets this late in life Oscar nomination.

[00:57:02] She is really excellent in it.

[00:57:04] Also when we did our Matrix episode

[00:57:07] and I kept dancing the praises.

[00:57:08] Yeah you kept calling Gloria Foster,

[00:57:10] is that her name?

[00:57:11] Yes, Gloria Stewart by AXIN.

[00:57:12] I love that performance.

[00:57:13] So for the rest of this episode,

[00:57:15] I'm gonna call Gloria Stewart, Gloria Foster

[00:57:16] to try to level out.

[00:57:18] I'm trying to level it out.

[00:57:19] Please don't.

[00:57:20] All right.

[00:57:21] So she takes us back to that dynamic.

[00:57:22] She reveals that the pictures of her,

[00:57:23] the drawings of her.

[00:57:24] Okay, the picture couldn't survive.

[00:57:28] Impossible.

[00:57:28] Is that true?

[00:57:29] Cause yeah, somebody said like that's horseshit

[00:57:30] and I was like no but it wasn't a safe.

[00:57:32] Something with the leather though, right?

[00:57:34] It's like a leather bound artist book.

[00:57:36] He's got a little folio.

[00:57:38] No, it's salt, it's salt water.

[00:57:40] I think.

[00:57:41] And also when they open up the safe

[00:57:42] everything else that comes out

[00:57:43] is like muddy sludge.

[00:57:45] And when you see the safe it's all paper.

[00:57:47] It's like, how does one thing?

[00:57:48] Unless he was drawing on like,

[00:57:50] I don't know even vellum is probably, yeah anyway.

[00:57:52] And they also clean it off.

[00:57:54] Please keep going.

[00:57:55] They clean it off when they clean it off.

[00:57:56] They clean it off with water.

[00:57:57] And this would deteriorate it even further.

[00:57:59] They're like washing it.

[00:58:01] All right, I used,

[00:58:02] I googled-

[00:58:03] Judy and Charlie are leaving this studio.

[00:58:04] Bye, Katie.

[00:58:05] She'll be back.

[00:58:06] I googled could the picture have survived

[00:58:08] but obviously now I'm just getting a lot of things.

[00:58:10] So they're like,

[00:58:11] Jack and Rose Codley could have both survived.

[00:58:13] So I don't know.

[00:58:14] No, I looked it up on Yahoo.

[00:58:16] The thing I was saying before we started recording

[00:58:18] is that any question you want to ask about Titanic

[00:58:21] if you start to type it into Google

[00:58:23] it starts to fill it in for you

[00:58:24] because everybody has asked any possible question.

[00:58:27] That's how you know you're in the zeitgeist.

[00:58:29] Like could rats have gotten on the ship?

[00:58:31] Indeed they could have.

[00:58:32] How did they get on the ship?

[00:58:33] Because you said-

[00:58:34] When they were being built,

[00:58:35] when the ship was being built in the shipyard

[00:58:36] rats would get in and stick in

[00:58:39] as well as dead bodies.

[00:58:41] They could medication-

[00:58:42] Dead bodies would go in?

[00:58:43] Yeah, dead bodies.

[00:58:46] There's lots of things that were already in the ship.

[00:58:48] Blood pressure pills actually make

[00:58:50] John Travolta's face look like that.

[00:58:52] That's old dogs questions.

[00:58:53] When you're in the zeitgeist.

[00:58:54] Enough with the old dogs jokes.

[00:58:56] I will kill you.

[00:58:57] That autophils.

[00:58:58] I sorta got that autophils if you search for it.

[00:58:59] So Rose Dewitt Bucater.

[00:59:02] Bucater.

[00:59:04] Yeah, Rose Dewitt Bucater.

[00:59:05] Weird ass.

[00:59:06] It's a pretty weird name.

[00:59:07] Yeah.

[00:59:08] So she's-

[00:59:10] 17 years old.

[00:59:12] She's got a killer hat.

[00:59:13] Society girl from Philly.

[00:59:14] From Philadelphia.

[00:59:15] Uh.

[00:59:16] Yep.

[00:59:18] Philadelphia.

[00:59:18] Uh.

[00:59:19] She put the uh in Philadelphia.

[00:59:20] She's engaged to a 30 year old tycoon.

[00:59:23] And what a-

[00:59:24] A gem of a man.

[00:59:27] He heir to a Pittsburgh Steel fortune.

[00:59:29] Yeah, the turd of the ocean I call him.

[00:59:31] Called Calhawkly.

[00:59:32] Although his first name is apparently Caledon.

[00:59:35] I did not know that.

[00:59:36] Yeah, if you ask me I'd guess that he came-

[00:59:39] He was there to a two-pay fortune.

[00:59:41] He's got real floppy hair.

[00:59:43] But he's not the only person on this boat

[00:59:45] who will have floppy hair.

[00:59:46] That is true.

[00:59:47] Floppy hair was apparently all the rage in 1912.

[00:59:49] Right.

[00:59:49] Okay, so Katie your impression-

[00:59:51] I mean sorry Emily, your impressions of uh of

[00:59:54] Rose's first name.

[00:59:55] Rose's- Kate Winslet's first name.

[00:59:57] Okay.

[00:59:58] Stepping out of that car.

[00:59:59] The hand, the gloved hand on the edge of the car.

[01:00:03] And the hat brim flip up is like one of the best

[01:00:06] introductions of a character in any film.

[01:00:09] It's epic, they're telling you this character matters.

[01:00:11] When I rewatched it just now that is the first time

[01:00:14] that I started crying.

[01:00:15] I cried four times I believe through my rewatch.

[01:00:18] There's also something-

[01:00:19] This is the greatest, absolute greatest-

[01:00:20] You know why it's good though?

[01:00:21] It's good because of Gloria Stewart.

[01:00:22] Because she sells you on this real kind of like

[01:00:26] longing about being a young girl,

[01:00:29] even being an unhappy young girl.

[01:00:31] And so when we get to actually see that again

[01:00:34] through your eyes they're like, oh man time.

[01:00:36] And she's-

[01:00:37] It's the time is brutal.

[01:00:39] She did the thing like she does the monologue

[01:00:42] about like you know that you could still

[01:00:43] smell the fresh paint and then he does the first morph.

[01:00:47] He likes that morph effect that he,

[01:00:49] you know where the ship turns into-

[01:00:52] Yeah you see the undersea wreckage it turns into

[01:00:53] Pretty cool.

[01:00:54] Ship looks great.

[01:00:55] It was, they called it The Ship of Dreams

[01:00:57] and it was-

[01:00:58] It really was.

[01:01:00] And then you get Rose, I mean the movie's just

[01:01:02] really pumping you up in appropriate and normal ways.

[01:01:05] I think also he could have had her be just as wowed

[01:01:09] by the ship as everybody else.

[01:01:11] I guess that's kind of like part of her character

[01:01:13] is that she's not, she's hard to impress.

[01:01:15] Well also I think she's sick of ostentatiousness.

[01:01:18] Right, like right she's unimpressed by all of the

[01:01:21] sort of typical dressing of her like aristocratic.

[01:01:24] She likes it real, she likes it gritty.

[01:01:26] Yeah, she's not into it.

[01:01:27] She'd love the Zack Snyder DC universe.

[01:01:30] You know she wants like the street level and like the Grimy.

[01:01:34] Emily do you have any thoughts just to cut that off?

[01:01:35] She loves Suicide Squad.

[01:01:37] She thought the Suicide Squad was so twisted.

[01:01:39] So her fiance is really excited about The Ship.

[01:01:44] Oh also this is something that other David pointed out

[01:01:48] correctly.

[01:01:49] Wonderful future podcast guest David.

[01:01:52] That the line about it being a slave ship

[01:01:54] would not help, it's not age-well.

[01:01:56] That one clunks right?

[01:01:58] Because it's not Kate Winslet's character saying it

[01:02:00] is that you could forgive because you're like,

[01:02:02] oh look it's 1912 what the fuck does she know?

[01:02:04] But Gloria Stewart in voiceover says it was like a slave ship.

[01:02:08] But she says to be fair.

[01:02:10] Taking me in chains.

[01:02:10] Yes, to be fair she does say to me it was.

[01:02:14] No of course.

[01:02:14] So it's like I was young and dumb

[01:02:16] and didn't know how privileged I was maybe.

[01:02:18] But you couldn't assign as much as you want.

[01:02:20] That line is like an iceberg.

[01:02:22] It doesn't work.

[01:02:23] It's crashing against the whole of the ship.

[01:02:24] They try to port around it.

[01:02:26] But it's not the only reference to slave ships

[01:02:28] in this movie.

[01:02:30] Is that right?

[01:02:30] When's the other?

[01:02:31] Leo says that when he's going back down to third class

[01:02:35] when he's leaving dinner, he's like I'm gonna go

[01:02:37] row with the other slaves.

[01:02:39] Right, right, right.

[01:02:40] Which is, but that's a pretty funny line.

[01:02:42] And there's also that scene where

[01:02:43] that one's good.

[01:02:44] He got a good-

[01:02:45] That's a funny slavery, right?

[01:02:46] He got a good burn in on those Richie Riches.

[01:02:48] There was that scene where he goes down

[01:02:49] to the lower class rooms

[01:02:52] and they're all watching Amistad on VHS.

[01:02:54] There's that scene.

[01:02:54] Which it just came out.

[01:02:55] It's the only thing I have on video though.

[01:02:57] It's the only anachronism,

[01:02:58] but I think it's a good one.

[01:03:00] That's a good thing too,

[01:03:01] because the movie was already running so long

[01:03:03] and then Jim Cameron decides to just put

[01:03:05] like 25 minutes of Amistad in the middle of it.

[01:03:08] But the courtroom scenes for some reason.

[01:03:10] Well the Hopkins really pops in those.

[01:03:11] All right, okay.

[01:03:12] They did just the tracking.

[01:03:13] So that's, and right, should we talk about Cal?

[01:03:17] Four comedy points, I don't know.

[01:03:18] Cal's the performance that I really loved

[01:03:20] when I was a teenager.

[01:03:21] It's so big.

[01:03:23] Well he's playing to the chiefs.

[01:03:23] It's so dialed into the grandest, silliest,

[01:03:28] vibe of this movie.

[01:03:29] I mean you could place this performance

[01:03:30] in an episode of Keenan and Cal and it would track.

[01:03:32] You know, this is...

[01:03:33] I mean, he has one of the best...

[01:03:36] You got a cane?

[01:03:36] Yeah.

[01:03:37] Well sorry, you can go.

[01:03:38] No, no, he has one of the best please.

[01:03:39] Go ahead.

[01:03:40] He has one of the best lines early in the film,

[01:03:42] not in that scene, but when...

[01:03:45] Can we just have a whole 30 minutes

[01:03:46] to talk about art in this movie?

[01:03:48] Oh, yeah.

[01:03:49] By the way, apparently all Western art

[01:03:51] was lost in the titan.

[01:03:52] Right, right.

[01:03:53] Like all modernists are...

[01:03:55] Every major Monet,

[01:03:58] the original clutter, magnificent Amberson.

[01:04:00] Davignon.

[01:04:02] But I love...

[01:04:03] Okay, so I was tweeting about this the other night

[01:04:04] and I didn't realize another really good one

[01:04:07] is in this movie, which is Picasso.

[01:04:10] He won't amount to a thing.

[01:04:11] The winky history line, I love it.

[01:04:15] I believe your tweet was also about the fact

[01:04:16] that Jesus invents a chair in the Passion of the Christ

[01:04:19] and they say it'll never work,

[01:04:20] which does happen in that movie.

[01:04:22] It's really the best.

[01:04:23] Chairs, they'll never catch on.

[01:04:25] Because he's like, yeah, I'm just a simple carpenter.

[01:04:27] Here's my latest invention, a chair.

[01:04:29] And everyone's like, chair, why do you need a chair?

[01:04:31] Sit on the floor.

[01:04:32] This is the worst idea you've had

[01:04:33] since that Christianity bullshit.

[01:04:35] Two flops in a row.

[01:04:36] I think the Pharisees are just fine

[01:04:38] and I think the floor is just fine.

[01:04:40] But just to continue with pain

[01:04:41] because I don't wanna go back to this subject

[01:04:44] because I could talk about it forever,

[01:04:45] but also when Jack comes back to their room later

[01:04:50] and checks out the Monet,

[01:04:52] one of my other favorite lines is

[01:04:55] look at the use of color here.

[01:04:56] Look at the use of color.

[01:04:57] And Cameron tracks his hand moving across the painting.

[01:05:00] He's a true artist, he knows where to look.

[01:05:03] He knows where the eye goes in the frame.

[01:05:06] That would be a good thing to read a picture.

[01:05:07] The CPS procedural is the person who can read art.

[01:05:10] You know, that's their superpowers.

[01:05:12] They can read art and crack the case.

[01:05:13] Or like X-raying art, which is a real thing.

[01:05:15] That was great.

[01:05:16] Yeah, well, so dark the con of man.

[01:05:19] Oh my God, Kitty Rich.

[01:05:21] Okay, stepping up her game.

[01:05:22] She's wrapped him up now.

[01:05:23] She's wrapped him up.

[01:05:24] He's in a bundle.

[01:05:25] He's in a bundle.

[01:05:26] He's in a bundle.

[01:05:27] Much like the Blu-ray DVD bundle that I bought.

[01:05:31] Four discs?

[01:05:32] It's a four disc combo pack.

[01:05:34] And it has two discs for 3D

[01:05:36] because each half of the movies can only fit on one disc.

[01:05:40] Okay, so let's talk about this kid

[01:05:42] playing a poker game with his Italian buddy.

[01:05:45] We talked about Kate's intro, but we got over it.

[01:05:47] Yeah, I've been listening.

[01:05:48] You were talking about the Degas

[01:05:49] and he's not going anywhere.

[01:05:51] I love that you just took your headphones out

[01:05:53] and you're just been listening to the podcast

[01:05:55] while trying to play Charlie.

[01:05:57] Oh, I've been hovering.

[01:05:58] No, I didn't do that.

[01:05:59] I mean, just hovering and then hovering in the hallway.

[01:06:01] Can I say one more thing about the art

[01:06:03] before we move on to that scrappy young stowaway?

[01:06:06] You can stop whispering, but yes.

[01:06:07] Okay, but I want to because this is dramatic.

[01:06:10] I love the fact that he says,

[01:06:12] who's this bi?

[01:06:13] And she goes, I don't know, something Picasso.

[01:06:17] At least they were cheap.

[01:06:18] Yeah, if you wanna be even a little bit elegant

[01:06:20] and respect the intelligence of your audience,

[01:06:22] you go, I don't know, Pablo something?

[01:06:24] That's almost worse.

[01:06:26] Picasso being the part you remember.

[01:06:27] Something Picasso.

[01:06:28] No one would...

[01:06:29] It's the ultimate audience flattering line though.

[01:06:32] Because there's nobody in that crowd who's gonna be like,

[01:06:35] oh, who is that bi?

[01:06:36] Who's that?

[01:06:37] Everyone in history was so stupid, man.

[01:06:39] They just didn't get it.

[01:06:40] It is such a James Cameron thing

[01:06:41] where he's like trying to,

[01:06:42] he's like, oh, don't you get it?

[01:06:44] Rose is smart.

[01:06:45] She gets the Picasso's cool.

[01:06:46] Like before anyone else in high society.

[01:06:49] At least they were cheap.

[01:06:50] There's the joke.

[01:06:51] I love that line.

[01:06:53] He says it to like love joy and love joy.

[01:06:54] He's like, I don't care, I'm a Terminator.

[01:06:56] I have no opinion on art.

[01:06:59] For the listener at home,

[01:07:00] David is doing a great Billy Zane face when he's saying the line.

[01:07:04] He's doing a really good facial impression.

[01:07:06] I just love that she has 50 suitcases.

[01:07:08] And that...

[01:07:09] But she does in present day too.

[01:07:11] Yeah.

[01:07:12] And right, she always has her picture.

[01:07:13] She brings her pictures with it.

[01:07:14] And the way he puts the,

[01:07:17] they drop this in what she's gonna do

[01:07:19] two and a half hours later

[01:07:19] where he handshakes the guy with the money

[01:07:21] and says, I put my faith in you, sir.

[01:07:23] Yeah.

[01:07:23] I love that.

[01:07:24] I love that it comes back around.

[01:07:28] In the original Toy Story,

[01:07:29] Mr. Potato Head's character introduction

[01:07:31] is he turns around and goes,

[01:07:32] look on Picasso because his face is in weird order.

[01:07:35] And I like laughed at that joke

[01:07:36] because I was like, I can tell that's a joke,

[01:07:38] but I didn't know what it meant.

[01:07:39] My mom got me into art through Toy Story.

[01:07:41] Oh my God.

[01:07:42] She like bought me Picasso books

[01:07:43] because it was like,

[01:07:44] I would only like things

[01:07:45] if they had an association to Toy Story.

[01:07:47] You were a weird kid.

[01:07:48] I was a weird kid.

[01:07:49] Your mama's been so excited though

[01:07:50] to get you into Picasso.

[01:07:51] She loved it.

[01:07:52] I was all about Picasso

[01:07:53] because I was like, that guy's in Toy Story.

[01:07:55] He's the only painter in Toy Story.

[01:07:56] He rules.

[01:07:57] How old were you when you saw Toy Story?

[01:07:59] Six.

[01:08:00] Okay.

[01:08:01] I mean, it was right there.

[01:08:02] It seems like it's your little mermaid

[01:08:04] because little mermaid

[01:08:05] and realizing more and more as I get older,

[01:08:06] it's like the ocean.

[01:08:07] It's the movie for me.

[01:08:08] It's my Rosetta Stone.

[01:08:10] It's where I come back.

[01:08:11] I'm wearing Toy Story sneakers right now.

[01:08:13] He is there.

[01:08:13] Actually really cool.

[01:08:14] You should check them out later.

[01:08:15] They're very subtle

[01:08:16] and sophisticated and adult

[01:08:17] and I'm a grown up.

[01:08:18] Katie, do you have any Zane takes

[01:08:19] before we move on to Jack?

[01:08:21] Or Kate Winslet takes.

[01:08:22] I mean, what else has Billy Zane been in?

[01:08:24] The Phantom.

[01:08:25] Back to the future.

[01:08:25] Part two and three.

[01:08:26] Importantly.

[01:08:27] And one.

[01:08:28] He's in all three.

[01:08:29] Yeah.

[01:08:30] Zoolander.

[01:08:31] He did a remake of Ed Woods Glen or Glendo?

[01:08:34] He's in Dead Calm, which is,

[01:08:35] he's pretty cool in that actually.

[01:08:37] That's a good movie.

[01:08:38] But yeah, obviously it is crazy.

[01:08:40] Is he in Orlando?

[01:08:41] Yes.

[01:08:42] He's in the Sally Potter movie

[01:08:45] or Lando, the adaptation of the Virginia Woolf novel.

[01:08:49] He's in Tombstone.

[01:08:50] He's in the Silence of the Ham.

[01:08:52] Whatever that is.

[01:08:53] Oh, that's a Dom Delawes parody.

[01:08:55] I remember the poster for that movie.

[01:08:57] Yeah, I think that's what we all are only.

[01:08:58] He's in The Tales from the Crypt presents Demon Knight.

[01:09:01] Can we do it just Billy Zane?

[01:09:03] Yeah, and he had just been in The Phantom

[01:09:05] which is a terrifically strange little superhero movie.

[01:09:08] That was the weird period

[01:09:09] where Batman did really well

[01:09:11] and they were like, oh, the thing they like is pulpy.

[01:09:13] Very, very old school 30s pulpy.

[01:09:14] Let's do a Dick Tracy movie.

[01:09:16] They like Dick make other superhero movies.

[01:09:18] They did The Phantom, they did The Shadow

[01:09:19] and they did Dick Tracy.

[01:09:20] Like they went to other sort of early 1900s pulp stuff

[01:09:25] but then didn't adapt other.

[01:09:27] It's very interesting.

[01:09:27] He keeps being in movies.

[01:09:29] His filmography is just so deep.

[01:09:31] He makes like five movies a year,

[01:09:33] all of them straight DVD these days.

[01:09:35] But it is funny to watch this movie

[01:09:37] and be like, look, Leo, Kate, Billy Zane.

[01:09:40] I mean...

[01:09:41] Yeah, but it was also this example of

[01:09:44] High Tide Rises All Ships

[01:09:46] where Zane had such a cultural moment.

[01:09:49] Like it didn't translate to him doing a lot

[01:09:51] as an actor afterwards.

[01:09:52] I hope you enjoy your time together.

[01:09:54] I just remember that when this one best film

[01:09:57] at the MTV Movie Awards, Zane accepted it.

[01:09:59] Sure.

[01:10:00] Because Leo was like hell no.

[01:10:00] Everyone else had sort of distance.

[01:10:02] I think both...

[01:10:03] Because Leo had gone into his hibernation mode

[01:10:06] where he couldn't deal.

[01:10:07] And I think Winslet was in a similar kind of like...

[01:10:09] Well, she just moved to London

[01:10:10] and she got married very quickly after that.

[01:10:12] He is kinky.

[01:10:12] Right, but he is kinky was two years later.

[01:10:14] She didn't even come away for two years

[01:10:15] and she got married and had a baby.

[01:10:17] I think both of them sort of retreated

[01:10:19] and Billy Zane became like the spokesperson for the movie.

[01:10:21] Like, I just remember I hadn't seen the movie.

[01:10:23] It was Zane and Nucci.

[01:10:24] Zane and Nucci.

[01:10:25] But Zane was like doing the press tour.

[01:10:26] Like when they were like,

[01:10:28] Titanic's number one for a 16th week in a row

[01:10:30] and here on The Today Show is Billy Zane.

[01:10:32] And Zane would just be doing the victory lap.

[01:10:34] Listen to your friend Billy Zane.

[01:10:35] Yeah.

[01:10:36] Just FYI, we're an hour and 12 minutes.

[01:10:38] We haven't even introduced Leo to Caprio.

[01:10:40] That's a two-parter, baby.

[01:10:41] At what point in the movie does Leo get introduced

[01:10:44] like 40 minutes in?

[01:10:44] I'd probably write.

[01:10:46] I mean, yeah, because it's after we've already

[01:10:48] introduced everybody before they've gone on the ship.

[01:10:51] Yeah, I think you're right.

[01:10:52] We don't have the Picasso scene, right?

[01:10:54] We have Kate's introduction

[01:10:56] and Billy Zane and Francis Fisher and all those people.

[01:10:58] Yeah, because the Picasso scene is after the big

[01:11:01] triumphant leaving King of the World.

[01:11:03] No, King of the World comes later, sorry.

[01:11:04] King of the World is when they're leaving

[01:11:05] cheer board and after, right?

[01:11:07] Of course.

[01:11:08] Yeah, but they go straight from poker.

[01:11:11] They run on boards in fiddle music plays.

[01:11:14] And then they run straight up to the top deck

[01:11:16] and they go all the way to the front.

[01:11:18] And they go, okay.

[01:11:19] So what is, because there's two like Titanic leaving scenes,

[01:11:22] like it's when they leave the dock

[01:11:23] and then it's when they like go out into the open ocean.

[01:11:24] So I can't remember what.

[01:11:25] Take it a see, Mr. Murdock.

[01:11:28] They're running late because by the time

[01:11:30] they win the tickets in the poker game.

[01:11:32] Two Swedish men.

[01:11:33] All life is a game of luck.

[01:11:35] Yes.

[01:11:36] Well, yes, that comes later.

[01:11:38] That's Mr. Gray's season.

[01:11:39] I know, but I'm just reminding you guys.

[01:11:41] That all life is a game of luck

[01:11:42] which is important to remember.

[01:11:43] Not really a game of luck.

[01:11:44] It's kind of a game of skills.

[01:11:46] There's some luck involved.

[01:11:47] Anyway, I don't want to linger too long on the poker game.

[01:11:49] Well, the poker game that time.

[01:11:50] The poker game scene is ridiculously cheesy

[01:11:53] even by Titanic standards, I would say.

[01:11:55] And I hate his stupid Simon Cowell bit

[01:11:58] where he's like, you're not gonna,

[01:12:00] I'm sorry for being so hard.

[01:12:02] You're not gonna see your mother for all.

[01:12:03] Oh, that is so Simon Cowell.

[01:12:05] Oh, that's such a perfect call.

[01:12:06] Let's say, can I just put one editorial position out here

[01:12:11] just like at the top of this podcast?

[01:12:14] For an hour.

[01:12:14] I look at Alan's Katie's book on your lap.

[01:12:16] Oh, yeah, sorry.

[01:12:17] I'll let it to somebody else.

[01:12:18] It is a group book.

[01:12:19] No, no, page through.

[01:12:20] Emily is nursing the book.

[01:12:21] She has a baby ball.

[01:12:22] I know, I feel like so little empty right now.

[01:12:24] She's got a sling.

[01:12:25] I feel very envious.

[01:12:27] Ambient noise is what this podcast is all about.

[01:12:30] The book is making my biological clock a little bit.

[01:12:34] But I just want to put this out there

[01:12:36] and this is not exclusive to Titanic,

[01:12:38] but it is related to Titanic.

[01:12:41] I do not enjoy any Leonardo DiCaprio performance ever

[01:12:45] in history.

[01:12:46] Including this one?

[01:12:47] Including this one.

[01:12:48] Not a one.

[01:12:48] Nope, I do not.

[01:12:50] And that was one of my bad dude,

[01:12:52] like seventh grader takeaways from this movie.

[01:12:55] Like, oh, Leonardo DiCaprio, isn't that good?

[01:12:59] I still don't think he's that good.

[01:13:00] I think Leo's good, although he can be bad.

[01:13:03] He can't be bad.

[01:13:04] I think Griffin and I agree on the best Leo performance

[01:13:06] and we should do the best line from it right now.

[01:13:09] Right?

[01:13:10] Two, three.

[01:13:11] We are duly appointed federal marshals.

[01:13:15] I don't think it's his best performance.

[01:13:16] I do think that's the best line he's at.

[01:13:17] To me, that's my favorite Leo.

[01:13:19] What's your favorite Leo?

[01:13:20] Catch me if you can is up there too.

[01:13:21] Yeah, I like the ones where he's having fun.

[01:13:24] Wolf of Wall Street, man.

[01:13:25] I like Wolf of Wall Street.

[01:13:26] I think that's maybe his best.

[01:13:27] That might be his best.

[01:13:28] Yeah, that's his best.

[01:13:29] Emily's making a great face right now.

[01:13:32] Titanic's top five for me because I...

[01:13:34] Yeah, I think he's fine in Titanic.

[01:13:35] He's not consistently great,

[01:13:36] but I think he's got...

[01:13:38] What he's able to do well in Titanic,

[01:13:40] very few actors can do well.

[01:13:42] You know what I'm saying?

[01:13:43] ED Charm?

[01:13:44] Yeah, sure.

[01:13:45] He doesn't seem like he's trying anything.

[01:13:46] Yes.

[01:13:47] Oh, I would disagree.

[01:13:48] Oh, in Titanic?

[01:13:49] Certain scenes I think he's pushing it hard.

[01:13:51] And other scenes I think that he's got a very light touch.

[01:13:54] Yeah.

[01:13:54] And you think of his later performances

[01:13:56] where he is just working.

[01:13:57] You see the work.

[01:13:58] He's showing you the long division on the paper.

[01:14:00] Oh goodness, blood diamond man.

[01:14:01] Yeah.

[01:14:02] He's always felt like a little boy

[01:14:04] in a big coat trying to do acting.

[01:14:06] Which is what I think would depart it

[01:14:08] as one of his best performances

[01:14:09] because that's about a little boy in a big coat.

[01:14:11] And Wolf of Wall Street too.

[01:14:12] And Wolf of Wall Street, yes.

[01:14:13] I think it's best...

[01:14:14] But Shutter Island is the best one of them all

[01:14:16] because that is what that movie is about.

[01:14:17] He is so fucked up that a whole island is pretending

[01:14:21] like he's a cop just to try and make him feel better.

[01:14:23] I love that movie.

[01:14:24] I was making a movie star, I was like, right?

[01:14:25] Right.

[01:14:26] That's what Shutter Island is.

[01:14:27] It's about filmmaking.

[01:14:28] It is...

[01:14:29] Shutter Island's the greatest movie.

[01:14:30] Just Kevin Connelly is hanging out

[01:14:32] with you and Lucas Haas.

[01:14:33] Pussy Patrol.

[01:14:34] Pussy Posse.

[01:14:35] Pussy Posse.

[01:14:36] I just got divorced.

[01:14:36] Pussy Posse's back.

[01:14:37] I know.

[01:14:38] Golden age.

[01:14:39] It's not just Leo and Lucas.

[01:14:40] It's a posse.

[01:14:41] Let's be clear, it's a posse, not a patrol.

[01:14:42] Nobody is patrolling.

[01:14:43] I didn't mean to say patrol.

[01:14:44] I'm sorry guys.

[01:14:46] I'm just trying to keep everything on track right now

[01:14:48] and talking about...

[01:14:49] We're so on track right now.

[01:14:50] Do you have a Leo?

[01:14:51] Katie, what's your Leo?

[01:14:52] A Leo take?

[01:14:53] Yeah, what do you think of Leo?

[01:14:54] Did you like Leo?

[01:14:55] Oh yeah, no.

[01:14:56] I mean, I wasn't obsessed with Leo.

[01:14:57] I was a little...

[01:14:58] Some people are obsessed with him.

[01:14:59] I was a little Dario.

[01:15:00] You were more into the ship.

[01:15:01] Yeah, into the ship but also into the movie.

[01:15:03] I started reading Entertainment Weekly.

[01:15:04] I was into the box office and the Oscar.

[01:15:06] Which is what makes sense for what I do now.

[01:15:08] Such a movie, movie in terms of all the cultural seepings

[01:15:13] that a movie can have.

[01:15:14] It encapsulated everything that can come out of a movie

[01:15:19] to its most extreme.

[01:15:20] Yeah, and I got into the Hollywood side of it.

[01:15:22] And Leo, I liked Leo but I never saw a man

[01:15:24] in the Iron Mask or the beach.

[01:15:26] I didn't feel the need to follow him after that.

[01:15:28] He had a funny post.

[01:15:29] I had seen Romeo and Juliet in theaters.

[01:15:31] I think that's the only Leo performance

[01:15:32] I had seen before.

[01:15:33] Had you?

[01:15:34] No?

[01:15:35] Yeah, yeah.

[01:15:36] I'd seen that.

[01:15:37] You just said oh, sort of.

[01:15:37] I mean, I like that movie a lot.

[01:15:39] I think he's okay in it.

[01:15:41] I think he's pretty good in it.

[01:15:42] I think it's a young performance but it works.

[01:15:44] Yeah, it's fine.

[01:15:46] Well, What's Eating Gilbert Grape

[01:15:47] is what you really wanna go back to.

[01:15:48] That's the best.

[01:15:49] Well sure.

[01:15:49] So my mom and my sister and I watched

[01:15:51] all of his other movies.

[01:15:51] I also think he's lovely and the quick and the dead.

[01:15:53] I've never seen it.

[01:15:53] I don't understand it.

[01:15:54] Not a great movie but he's very...

[01:15:56] The crazy thing about Gilbert Grape

[01:15:57] is he really went on a tangent.

[01:15:58] Like that performance made his career.

[01:16:00] Like that is what put him on the map.

[01:16:02] No one could do that performance anymore.

[01:16:03] That performance would never work.

[01:16:05] Never happen.

[01:16:06] And he is a very big modern movie star

[01:16:08] whose career is built on a performance

[01:16:09] that would be completely unacceptable.

[01:16:11] It's very true.

[01:16:11] Yeah, and it's also interesting where it's like

[01:16:13] that's one of the few performances

[01:16:15] of that kind that still holds up.

[01:16:18] Yeah, it does hold up.

[01:16:19] They wouldn't let him do it today

[01:16:20] but it's one of the few times

[01:16:21] that someone has played a mentally challenged person

[01:16:23] and not made it feel sort of mawkish.

[01:16:26] You know, it feels like he's playing it

[01:16:27] realistically without sort of any sentimentality.

[01:16:30] Which is like you can't say that for Sean Penn, you know?

[01:16:33] Does Rayman hold up?

[01:16:34] I haven't watched it in there.

[01:16:35] It's a little cartoon-y, I think.

[01:16:37] Rayman holds, Tom Cruise holds up.

[01:16:39] Yeah. Dustin does.

[01:16:40] I think it's a good performance in a vacuum.

[01:16:45] I think it's like a little problematic

[01:16:46] like held against the real world, you know?

[01:16:49] All right, Leo's on the ship, Kate's on the ship.

[01:16:52] He's the king of the world.

[01:16:53] He's the king of the world.

[01:16:54] I do think...

[01:16:55] You're gonna punch me in the face

[01:16:56] because you're saying this.

[01:16:57] I ain't gonna fucking punch you in the face.

[01:16:58] Fudging here, sorry.

[01:16:59] Working.

[01:17:00] Yeah, we're back in here now.

[01:17:01] I'm a big good place to say.

[01:17:02] I do think we should talk about Leo Mania a little bit

[01:17:04] because that was like a result of this movie

[01:17:06] that hasn't really happened since then.

[01:17:09] I can sum up the Leo Mania around this movie.

[01:17:12] Leo nodded to Capio like Teenage

[01:17:14] or like Teen Plain, Leo nodded to Capio.

[01:17:16] He was, I believe, 22 when he shot this movie,

[01:17:18] 21 somewhere around there.

[01:17:19] He was a very wet actor.

[01:17:22] And this movie put him in the perfect setting.

[01:17:27] He actually was not only wet and in water,

[01:17:30] but he got like little frosty too.

[01:17:32] That's it, that's the entire...

[01:17:33] Frosted tip, and he literally gets frosty.

[01:17:34] He does get frosted tips.

[01:17:35] I don't know.

[01:17:36] Frosted mustache.

[01:17:37] His hair looks incredible wet.

[01:17:38] He's so dewy.

[01:17:39] He's just the dewyest actor ever there was.

[01:17:43] His Roman Julia performance

[01:17:45] and his Gilbert Craig performance,

[01:17:46] both of which involve a lot of crying

[01:17:47] are both very wet performances.

[01:17:49] I'm on board with this.

[01:17:50] He's like, fire you stars on his knees in the rain.

[01:17:53] Like that.

[01:17:54] He's playing like the best boyfriend of all time.

[01:17:56] Yeah, there was a lot of rain.

[01:17:58] And then like, Tbil gets shot and falls in a fountain,

[01:18:00] a lot of water.

[01:18:01] That's what we're doing right now, Julia.

[01:18:02] You have Julia Paca?

[01:18:03] There's a scene where Julia drinks a glass of water.

[01:18:05] I would.

[01:18:06] I would sign off on this call of state.

[01:18:07] Okay, so Ben walked in

[01:18:08] so that I sign off on this conversation and walked out.

[01:18:11] That was great, he looked good too.

[01:18:13] He looked great, Ben was really good these days.

[01:18:15] He's been getting into fashion lately, I don't know.

[01:18:17] Have you guys heard Ben's fashion tips?

[01:18:18] I have heard about Ben's fashion.

[01:18:20] I mean, I don't know them specifically,

[01:18:22] but I know that he's been getting into fashion.

[01:18:23] If you tweet at Ben Hosley on Twitter,

[01:18:25] he'll give you fashion tips.

[01:18:26] He's been doing it, I've been watching him do it.

[01:18:27] Yeah, some of our blankies,

[01:18:29] oh, I forgot that's your biggest credit

[01:18:31] is you're the mother of blankies.

[01:18:32] Oh yeah, you're welcome.

[01:18:33] You know we have a subreddit

[01:18:34] called backslash our backslash bank blankies.

[01:18:37] You're welcome, Reddit.

[01:18:38] I gotta read that subreddit before this episode comes out

[01:18:40] because I don't wanna read anyone talking about me,

[01:18:42] but I wanna read what everyone else is saying.

[01:18:43] Absolutely, you gotta check it out.

[01:18:44] We'll tell you if Charlie gets up.

[01:18:45] A lot of conversation happening on Reddit,

[01:18:47] a great website where nothing bad ever happened.

[01:18:48] Ever, it's never happened.

[01:18:49] Totally sign off on Reddit.

[01:18:50] Yeah.

[01:18:51] Please talk about me on Reddit.

[01:18:53] I will never read it.

[01:18:54] That's the thing, you can say whatever you want.

[01:18:55] You'll never read?

[01:18:57] All right, whatever.

[01:18:58] Okay, I'm sorry.

[01:18:59] Mother of blankies, what was I gonna say?

[01:19:01] I don't know, you wanna talk about Leomania.

[01:19:03] I feel like it's pretty obvious stuff.

[01:19:05] Leomania, a dewy, frosted tip.

[01:19:08] I feel like no one in this room had Leomania though.

[01:19:11] No.

[01:19:12] It was a phenomenon.

[01:19:13] My sis, I should call my sister and ask her,

[01:19:16] because I think Leo was her first movie star crash.

[01:19:18] I had Jonathan Taylor Thomas before Leo,

[01:19:20] so it was a lake of second round.

[01:19:21] Is your sister older or younger?

[01:19:23] Younger, so yeah, she was fourth, fifth grade at that point.

[01:19:26] I remember the Olsen Twin sitcom Two of a Kind,

[01:19:28] which I watched every episode of.

[01:19:29] Me too.

[01:19:30] Great show.

[01:19:31] What's it?

[01:19:32] Christopher Sieber was on it.

[01:19:33] He's a great actor.

[01:19:33] Fucking great show.

[01:19:34] It ends in a cliffhanger, it's a real bummer.

[01:19:37] You never know if they're gonna get together

[01:19:38] or not him and the babysitter.

[01:19:40] Doesn't matter.

[01:19:41] I thought you were American-Astley

[01:19:43] we're gonna get together.

[01:19:44] But in that show they have a Titanic

[01:19:47] and a Leo poster on their wall

[01:19:49] and that show came out in the year.

[01:19:51] Question about Leomania, has there been an example since then

[01:19:53] of someone who's become like a boyfriend?

[01:19:55] Not even on the scale, but someone who actively rejects it

[01:19:59] and has no interest in it?

[01:20:00] I think there's one that came close.

[01:20:02] I think there's one that came close,

[01:20:03] but this is the reason I wanna talk about this

[01:20:04] because it is sort of such an anomalous thing

[01:20:06] that hasn't really happened since then.

[01:20:07] My sister has seen Titanic

[01:20:09] but was born the year after it came out.

[01:20:11] My sister's born March 1998,

[01:20:14] so she was born like four months ago.

[01:20:15] It was still number one of the box-o.

[01:20:16] Yeah, yeah.

[01:20:19] So I was trying to sort of explain

[01:20:22] the whole Titanic culture to her

[01:20:23] and what an impact it had

[01:20:24] and the Leomania thing which is kind of anomalous

[01:20:28] and I was like, I don't even know

[01:20:29] if there's a point of reference

[01:20:30] something I could have equated to

[01:20:31] because suddenly everyone's talking about this guy

[01:20:33] and I remember TV would do prime time specials

[01:20:36] interviewing the parents.

[01:20:38] Robert Pattinson a little bit, sure.

[01:20:41] And it's true in the same way that he rejected it.

[01:20:42] In the rejection, definitely.

[01:20:44] But I think it went away a lot after.

[01:20:46] And also he's kind of wet and flot away.

[01:20:48] Yeah, very dewy.

[01:20:49] Kind of skinny, like I don't know, like yeah.

[01:20:52] Definitely.

[01:20:53] I think the difference with Robert Pattinson

[01:20:55] is that there was a pre-existing character

[01:20:58] that people already latched onto.

[01:21:00] Right, yeah.

[01:21:01] You know, he sort of walked into a space.

[01:21:03] Definitely.

[01:21:03] And also I feel like it just died down faster.

[01:21:06] Much faster.

[01:21:07] But he made the same choices.

[01:21:08] He was like, I'm not making commercial movies anymore.

[01:21:11] Like I'm only working with cool directors.

[01:21:13] It didn't work as well.

[01:21:13] No, it didn't work as well.

[01:21:14] He's okay.

[01:21:15] I think he's a good actor.

[01:21:16] I mean, I like him actually.

[01:21:17] I contend.

[01:21:18] Never liked him.

[01:21:19] I like him.

[01:21:20] I don't think he's always good.

[01:21:21] I think when he is good, he's particularly good.

[01:21:23] Well here's the other thing.

[01:21:25] You're not gonna find another phenomenon

[01:21:27] exactly like this because there aren't going to be

[01:21:30] actors in this sort of role

[01:21:32] that isn't based on a prior property.

[01:21:34] Like it's very similar like Daniel Radcliffe

[01:21:37] Daniel Radcliffe would maybe be another one.

[01:21:40] Like older Daniel Radcliffe.

[01:21:41] He's done a similar thing as Pattinson.

[01:21:43] But all these are franchises built in

[01:21:45] like very calculated in a way like

[01:21:47] there wasn't a Titanic the novel.

[01:21:49] There wasn't anything like that.

[01:21:51] Yeah, there were people like dying to find out

[01:21:52] what Jack Dawson would be

[01:21:53] with their magic.

[01:21:54] Who's gonna be Jack Dawson?

[01:21:55] And then people being like,

[01:21:56] he's not what I imagined.

[01:21:57] Yeah.

[01:21:58] And there's that thing where it's like

[01:21:59] people were choosing to fall in love

[01:22:01] with Pattinson's version of Edward Cullen.

[01:22:03] But that wasn't Edward Cullen's theory.

[01:22:05] It could have been anyone.

[01:22:06] The biggest difference is that Twilight fans

[01:22:07] when his casting was announced were mad

[01:22:09] because he was in Harry Potter.

[01:22:11] Right.

[01:22:12] And like so there was already a preexisting

[01:22:13] they were like, I don't like him in Harry Potter

[01:22:15] the other preexisting franchise that he's coming from.

[01:22:17] How would you not like him in Harry Potter?

[01:22:18] He's great in Harry Potter.

[01:22:19] He's lovely.

[01:22:20] So I'm not gonna go into whole side tangent on this

[01:22:22] but I contend that Rad Pattinson's really good

[01:22:25] in the first Twilight

[01:22:26] cause he's doing a weird vaguely

[01:22:27] Nicholas Cage performance of like a vampire.

[01:22:30] Like he's kind of playing it realistically.

[01:22:31] I could be sold on that call.

[01:22:33] And then I've never seen any of the other ones.

[01:22:35] From the sequels on he starts having to just be milk toast.

[01:22:38] I think his detachance also like

[01:22:39] I have to sand off the rough edges

[01:22:41] because there's too much at stake.

[01:22:42] And then he gets boring

[01:22:43] but the first one he does all these weird sort of

[01:22:45] wincy things where it's like this feels

[01:22:46] nauseated by her.

[01:22:47] He's like always on the brink of pukeing.

[01:22:49] Because she stinks right?

[01:22:50] Like that's the premise of Twilight.

[01:22:53] Which is so amazing.

[01:22:54] She stinks so hard that he falls in love with her.

[01:22:56] Can you imagine how fucked up you would be?

[01:22:57] I'm sorry, fudged up you would be now

[01:22:59] as a young woman if you had been brought up

[01:23:01] on like that had been your touchstone of like

[01:23:03] it's gonna ruin a lot of people.

[01:23:04] It's been like almost 10 years

[01:23:06] we should check in with them.

[01:23:06] Well how's Romely doing?

[01:23:08] She didn't like that.

[01:23:08] Oh she didn't like that, okay so it didn't work for her.

[01:23:10] Yeah.

[01:23:11] I just think all the weird stuff about like

[01:23:13] your virginity and being stinky and like oh my God.

[01:23:16] You know like Romely's whole thing is that

[01:23:18] like I hope I'm not blowing up her spot here.

[01:23:21] But like certainly growing up her whole thing was

[01:23:23] that like the actors that she'd have movie star

[01:23:25] crushes on were like real kind of like dad actors.

[01:23:28] Like Patrick Stewart.

[01:23:29] The one she was huge on was Hugh Grant.

[01:23:32] Sure.

[01:23:33] Like she like loved Hugh Grant when she was like

[01:23:34] eight and all the other girls were into like you know.

[01:23:37] Teeny actors.

[01:23:39] But she's always sort of like gone for the guys

[01:23:40] who just like oh he seems like he'd be a good husband.

[01:23:42] She famously said that she thought Ed Helms was cute

[01:23:46] and we were like Ed Helms is like yeah he'd like dress as well

[01:23:48] he seems like a nice guy.

[01:23:49] All right he plays the banjo he's got glasses.

[01:23:50] Check stuff off all in the box.

[01:23:51] She's just looking for like a comfortable.

[01:23:53] I always said that Romely fantasizes

[01:23:55] about her first divorce.

[01:23:57] Like that's the storybook divorce.

[01:23:59] I'm cutting you off.

[01:23:59] Okay.

[01:24:00] So everybody's on the boat.

[01:24:01] Yeah.

[01:24:03] He's the king of the world.

[01:24:04] That's very early.

[01:24:05] I can't remember exactly where it is.

[01:24:06] No go ahead.

[01:24:07] No I just wanted to know what happened.

[01:24:09] She's got the Picasso.

[01:24:10] And then yes and she unpacks all of her stuff.

[01:24:13] And then what else?

[01:24:14] What's the next?

[01:24:14] I feel like the first big thing is her trying to jump right.

[01:24:16] Like is there any other major thing in between?

[01:24:19] Yeah well he gets diamond after she tries to jump right.

[01:24:22] No it's before right.

[01:24:23] No it's after.

[01:24:24] It's after.

[01:24:24] She's upset and he's like I was gonna save this for her.

[01:24:27] Well he sees he's on the lower deck

[01:24:29] and he sees Kate like on the upper deck

[01:24:31] and she looks beautiful.

[01:24:32] And Tommy's like you're never gonna get her.

[01:24:34] Right.

[01:24:35] And then it's the dinner scene

[01:24:36] where she then runs away from and tries to jump.

[01:24:38] And we've seen her also be hostile

[01:24:40] and drop a Freud reference.

[01:24:42] Oh yeah we have land we got a little punchy.

[01:24:45] Yeah okay I was gonna say.

[01:24:47] Ismay is important.

[01:24:48] Ismay we met Molly Brown.

[01:24:50] Well for all you shipheads out there

[01:24:52] we learned that they're gonna go faster than they should.

[01:24:56] Which is just bad news.

[01:24:57] Just don't do it.

[01:24:58] They wanna make headlines.

[01:25:00] Bernard Hill this is his last sale right.

[01:25:02] Don't they say that he's about to retire.

[01:25:04] He's about to retire.

[01:25:05] Right this is like his last voyage.

[01:25:07] Also we learned a little bit I think here

[01:25:09] and more later Rose is a big shiphead.

[01:25:12] She's just like us.

[01:25:13] She's just in it for the ship.

[01:25:14] Oh yeah she's like oh you're on the other one right there.

[01:25:18] Nothing escapes you.

[01:25:19] The original shipper a literal shipper.

[01:25:21] Oh boy.

[01:25:23] But I think it is important that you meet Ismay.

[01:25:25] You see her mock him.

[01:25:26] No bits pro ships.

[01:25:28] Sure.

[01:25:29] So I'd say Rose has two of her best dresses in these scenes.

[01:25:32] Like the one where she's eating the lamb.

[01:25:33] Like she's got some fucking.

[01:25:35] That was a good one and then the jump one.

[01:25:36] The suicide dress that is so 90s it's so anachronistic.

[01:25:42] Her makeup look is like every single makeup tutorial

[01:25:45] in 17 magazine in 1997.

[01:25:47] The dark lip like very terry amos.

[01:25:49] Yeah very drawn in for all.

[01:25:50] Yeah very pale too.

[01:25:51] And like the empire waist too is also very kind

[01:25:54] of it's like a baby doll look except long.

[01:25:56] Like it's so it's very very 90s.

[01:25:59] Her entire it's good dress it's good.

[01:26:01] It's a great dress.

[01:26:02] Yeah I'm not no I'm not just in the dress.

[01:26:04] I'm just saying it's one of these things.

[01:26:05] It's what like I who did the costumes for this

[01:26:07] because there is this element of like knowing

[01:26:09] when to modernize just enough to bring

[01:26:12] in a current day audience that you're like oh I

[01:26:14] understand you you're not this weird alien

[01:26:15] from another life.

[01:26:16] Leo's hair is a big one.

[01:26:17] Yes like every boy in my middle school had that haircut.

[01:26:20] You need like the costume.

[01:26:22] The overlap in the Venn diagram between like

[01:26:24] what's historically accurate and then fitting

[01:26:26] into like modern standards of beauty and cool

[01:26:28] so that it's still like this is impressionistically

[01:26:31] how you would feel if you looked at this person

[01:26:33] at that time.

[01:26:34] Yeah you need he needs to be the bad boy.

[01:26:37] He's foppy.

[01:26:37] Deborah L. Scott.

[01:26:39] Deborah Lynn Scott.

[01:26:39] When an Oscar.

[01:26:40] She won an Oscar.

[01:26:42] This film won every Oscar is nominated for except

[01:26:43] for actor actor sorry actress supporting actress

[01:26:46] and makeup makeup.

[01:26:47] Lost to Men in Black.

[01:26:48] Yeah which is a great way back to the future

[01:26:51] costume design well she's.

[01:26:53] That's her fame.

[01:26:54] She did Avatar.

[01:26:55] She's done some Transformers movies.

[01:26:59] She did The Island.

[01:27:01] She's done a weird lot of Michael Bay.

[01:27:02] She does all Michael Bay movies.

[01:27:04] She did Wild Wild West.

[01:27:05] She did heat great great costuming.

[01:27:07] Wild West actually has great costumes too.

[01:27:09] That's a highlight of that movie.

[01:27:11] Yeah it's she did Minority Report

[01:27:12] which has in fantastic costume.

[01:27:14] Oh yeah yeah yeah that's got really good

[01:27:16] future dress both in the.

[01:27:19] She's got range casual.

[01:27:20] She's got range.

[01:27:22] She's got the range.

[01:27:23] So I'm looking at my D.B. right now

[01:27:24] so I want to make sure we covered all the main characters.

[01:27:26] It's like okay we got Cal we got Molly Brown.

[01:27:28] We got.

[01:27:29] We met Molly Brown played by Kathy Bates real person.

[01:27:32] Yeah the unsinkable Molly Brown.

[01:27:33] There's a musical about her that I grew up on.

[01:27:34] Debbie Reynolds.

[01:27:35] Right.

[01:27:35] Debbie Reynolds yeah.

[01:27:37] You're gonna cut her meat for you Cal.

[01:27:38] Yeah you're gonna cut her meat for her too Cal.

[01:27:41] She's so good.

[01:27:44] Sometimes you kind of forget that Kathy Bates is in Titanic.

[01:27:46] I'm just so glad she's in it though

[01:27:47] like that character is great and she is great.

[01:27:50] I thought I read somewhere that there aren't more real

[01:27:54] passengers on the Titanic who are characters in the film

[01:27:57] because of like estates or something.

[01:27:59] Is that true but you've got Astor, Gracie and Guggenheim.

[01:28:01] But they're not like the Astor is like barely there.

[01:28:04] But they do they reference him and then you see them die.

[01:28:06] I mean Guggenheim you see die Astor you see die

[01:28:09] and Gracie you see die.

[01:28:10] I am hoping I'm getting this right but I think what I.

[01:28:11] Yeah that's about it.

[01:28:12] I think what I learned from James Cameron's commentary

[01:28:14] is that Murdoch's family so he jumping a little bit.

[01:28:16] Well this is hugely controversial.

[01:28:18] Oh okay so you're gonna get to this.

[01:28:19] This was a huge thing.

[01:28:20] In Britain it was like a national controversy

[01:28:23] because he is a Scottish hero.

[01:28:24] Do you want to get into this then?

[01:28:25] Murdoch who's played by Ewan Stewart,

[01:28:28] I don't know that actor at all

[01:28:29] but he's really good in the movies.

[01:28:30] He's the actor who shoots,

[01:28:32] he's the character who shoots himself

[01:28:33] after he accidentally shoots Tommy

[01:28:35] who's a made up Irish saint of a character.

[01:28:37] He has some of the best reaction shots.

[01:28:39] So good.

[01:28:40] I've ever seen from an actor.

[01:28:40] He's the one Cal Bribes

[01:28:41] and then he rejects the bribe.

[01:28:43] But he plays like trauma really really well.

[01:28:46] That guy is a very famous hero in Scotland.

[01:28:49] He's like the hero of his town Dalbeady

[01:28:51] and I don't know, whatever.

[01:28:54] He was this famous person on the Titanic

[01:28:56] who died supposedly rescuing people.

[01:28:58] Some people on the Titanic said they saw

[01:29:00] someone shooting passenger.

[01:29:02] There were lots of eyewitness accounts of that

[01:29:04] but it's 1912.

[01:29:05] And that does happen in this movie.

[01:29:06] Yeah well he's the one you see shooting passenger.

[01:29:09] He's the only one.

[01:29:11] But you probably have Cameron's take on it

[01:29:13] but basically there's no actual evidence

[01:29:15] that Murdock did this.

[01:29:16] Yes exactly.

[01:29:17] Or that he shot himself.

[01:29:18] Yes.

[01:29:19] Interesting.

[01:29:20] Some people said maybe they saw Murdock doing it.

[01:29:22] Some people said they didn't.

[01:29:23] The eyewitness accounts from the survivors of the Titanic

[01:29:25] are all over the place.

[01:29:25] They're all over the place.

[01:29:26] Which is why no one even knows if it actually

[01:29:27] split above water.

[01:29:28] Right.

[01:29:29] Because it was pretty fucked up.

[01:29:31] Yeah it was like we're not.

[01:29:32] They weren't right.

[01:29:33] It was very dark.

[01:29:34] It was very dark.

[01:29:34] I mean, that was a stupid video.

[01:29:36] First of all, it was pretty fudged up.

[01:29:37] Second of all, it is important that like

[01:29:40] it'd be hard to keep count

[01:29:41] of everything that was happening

[01:29:42] because they were all busy watching Jack and Rose.

[01:29:44] Like there's some amazing love story

[01:29:46] unfolding in front of us.

[01:29:46] That's true.

[01:29:47] That's why they hit the iceberg in the first place.

[01:29:49] They were so destructive.

[01:29:51] They were really turned all the way back at the wheel.

[01:29:53] 50% the rudder was too small.

[01:29:55] 50% Jack and Rose making out on the poop there.

[01:29:58] Oh yeah.

[01:29:59] The pooping on the make out.

[01:30:00] Do you guys know the most recent theory

[01:30:02] as to why they didn't see the iceberg?

[01:30:04] Because you know it was a clear night.

[01:30:06] Right.

[01:30:07] But there was no water breaking around the,

[01:30:09] it was still water right?

[01:30:10] Go ahead.

[01:30:12] Please go, please.

[01:30:14] My pin tweet on Twitter for a long time

[01:30:16] was related to this.

[01:30:19] Oh yeah, right.

[01:30:20] Yeah, so I watched,

[01:30:21] so when I watched this movie with my boyfriend

[01:30:24] for the first time for him,

[01:30:25] he had never seen it before.

[01:30:26] Humblebrag.

[01:30:28] Congrats on having a boyfriend.

[01:30:29] Yeah, I say humblebrag

[01:30:30] whenever anyone mentions a significant element.

[01:30:31] It was the eighth time.

[01:30:32] My baby had like the Elspent Humblgrabbery.

[01:30:34] Yeah.

[01:30:34] Bringing it here is the ultimate.

[01:30:36] That's what I got.

[01:30:37] I'm just showing it off.

[01:30:37] You're real robbing in my face.

[01:30:39] So after we saw this movie,

[01:30:41] it was a somewhat significant release

[01:30:44] at the time that it came out.

[01:30:46] And so my boyfriend saw this in 2016

[01:30:48] and was like, oh wow,

[01:30:49] the Titanic is really interesting, huh?

[01:30:51] Sure.

[01:30:52] I can see why so many people were interested in this ship.

[01:30:55] So then we went on Netflix or whatever

[01:30:57] and just did a search for Titanic

[01:30:59] and watched two Nat Geo

[01:31:02] or some other off-brand Nat Geo impression documentaries

[01:31:06] about the sinking of the Titanic.

[01:31:08] And one was about like what actually

[01:31:10] caused them to hit the iceberg.

[01:31:13] Are we going way ahead?

[01:31:14] Are we getting way ahead of ourselves here?

[01:31:16] I mean, you're in the story now.

[01:31:17] I just want you, I like this story.

[01:31:19] Okay, yeah.

[01:31:19] So you know how a mirage is when

[01:31:23] you've got a hot ground

[01:31:26] and the heat warps our perception of light

[01:31:29] and mirrors the sky?

[01:31:31] I didn't know that.

[01:31:32] That's what it is.

[01:31:33] So it's like, it's just that the pressure

[01:31:35] or whatever.

[01:31:37] The air is bends differently

[01:31:40] because of the temperature difference.

[01:31:43] So there had been a warm front that came in

[01:31:46] but the sea was really, really cold at that time.

[01:31:48] Charlie hates this theory.

[01:31:49] I know, I know.

[01:31:50] I'm just telling, I'm gonna close notes it.

[01:31:52] I'm gonna close notes it.

[01:31:54] So the air was warmer than the sea

[01:31:56] which made there be a reverse mirage.

[01:31:59] So you saw a reflection of the sea.

[01:32:03] Oh sure, so it was just darkness essentially.

[01:32:06] So you didn't, they couldn't see the iceberg

[01:32:08] because not because it was cloudy or misty or whatever.

[01:32:11] Right, cause it wasn't.

[01:32:12] There was no moon that night though.

[01:32:14] It was a new moon.

[01:32:15] It was a new moon, but...

[01:32:17] But not the twilight socket new moon.

[01:32:19] No, it was weekly.

[01:32:20] They should have been able to see it

[01:32:21] but there was this, the theory is now

[01:32:23] that because of the odd weather at the time

[01:32:25] there was a reverse mirage.

[01:32:27] And the air was a lens.

[01:32:28] The air was a lens.

[01:32:29] That was my pin, I was, my mind was so blown by this

[01:32:33] that there could be such a thing as a reverse mirage

[01:32:36] that the air is a lens.

[01:32:37] Because of the air.

[01:32:39] So Emily, what you're saying is that it's about the sky.

[01:32:44] Oh boy.

[01:32:46] You're bringing up my favorite pet theory for all movies.

[01:32:49] That they're about the sky?

[01:32:50] Every movie's about the sky.

[01:32:51] You thought this was a movie about the sea.

[01:32:54] No, it's about...

[01:32:54] But in fact, it's about the sky.

[01:32:57] So we're an hour and a half in,

[01:32:58] should that be our drop off point?

[01:32:59] Let's just talk about Aloha now.

[01:33:02] I just dropped the mic.

[01:33:03] Let's go to the next one guys.

[01:33:04] Listers and mines are blown.

[01:33:06] But I might need you to give me a thing.

[01:33:13] Which one are you doing?

[01:33:15] Wait, there's so many lines.

[01:33:15] You don't have lines?

[01:33:16] No, it's hard.

[01:33:17] Well it's hard to choose.

[01:33:18] There's the one I mean,

[01:33:20] there's the one I think I want to do.

[01:33:22] Hold on, let me scan.

[01:33:24] I need to pick the best one.

[01:33:25] You had 45 minutes to pick this shit.

[01:33:27] Hey, I was eating a Spike Caesar salad

[01:33:30] who was spiked with Jack Daniels.

[01:33:34] What line would you guys go for?

[01:33:36] I put the diamond in the code

[01:33:37] and I put the code on the podcast.

[01:33:39] I tweeted both, I mean I texted that to both of you.

[01:33:43] I love that and I yelled it at Joanna

[01:33:44] and Joanna was like, put the code on her.

[01:33:54] I'd rather be his whore than your podcast.

[01:33:56] Ben, you're recording all this right?

[01:33:59] One of my family always quotes for no reason

[01:34:01] is an hour to what the most that Mr. Andrew says.

[01:34:03] That's good.

[01:34:04] I don't know why.

[01:34:05] No one else likes that line.

[01:34:07] All life is a game of luck.

[01:34:09] My favorite line in it,

[01:34:11] which happened right before I stopped watching it

[01:34:13] this morning is just when they do the iceberg right ahead

[01:34:16] and the guy on the other end of the line goes, thank you.

[01:34:19] He's so good.

[01:34:20] Yeah, the stiff-up or the British guy.

[01:34:22] Not Murdoch, it's the other guy.

[01:34:23] The guy who says, I'll shoot you all like a dog.

[01:34:26] Yeah, that guy.

[01:34:27] Thank you.

[01:34:28] That's my favorite sequence in Titanic

[01:34:29] is the iceberg.

[01:34:31] And he goes, well, Voda, Voda here.

[01:34:35] I want to do him.

[01:34:36] And then there's a Yoan Griffith.

[01:34:38] Yoan Griffith.

[01:34:39] Is anyone alive out there?

[01:34:41] Great man.

[01:34:41] What a movie star that guy.

[01:34:43] Wait, that's him?

[01:34:45] No, I never put that together.

[01:34:46] Mr. Fantastic himself.

[01:34:48] I love Yoan.

[01:34:48] Mr. Forever.

[01:34:49] I love Yoan Griffith.

[01:34:51] I do too.

[01:34:52] Not so much in Fantastic Four.

[01:34:54] It's not on him.

[01:34:55] Sir, she's made a podcast.

[01:34:55] I assure you she can sing.

[01:34:58] She will.

[01:34:59] She will sing.

[01:35:00] Okay, are you ready for the one I chose?

[01:35:01] Okay.

[01:35:02] Ben's putting all that at the end of the episode, okay?

[01:35:05] Here's the one I chose.

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