Titanic with Emily Yoshida and Katey Rich

Griffin and David continue their discussion of Titanic with Emily Yoshida (Spin Magazine) and Katey Rich (Vanity Fair). But are Cameron’s drawings basic? Why is Neil deGrasse Tyson such a star bummer? Could a car really get THAT steamy? Together, they examine Paul Rudd as Jack, the STDs of 1912, CD-rom game Titanic: Adventure Out of Time and theorize why this is a mall movie.

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David

[00:00:05] Blank Check with Griffin and David

[00:00:09] Don't know what to say or to express

[00:00:13] All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check

[00:00:20] But this ship can't sink

[00:00:22] She's made a podcast, sir. I assure you she can

[00:00:25] Glad that we got the baby in the room tone there, yeah

[00:00:27] And she will!

[00:00:29] Alright guys, Part Two of Titanic. We're gonna jump right into it

[00:00:33] Podtanic, Blank Check, Griffin and David, the two friends, podnater, judgment cast, filmographies, baby, producer Ben

[00:00:40] Glad that you...

[00:00:42] Glad that everyone... I'm glad for anyone who this is their first episode of the podcast

[00:00:47] Can't think of a better entry to our world in this episode

[00:00:51] Alright, so we're talking Titanic, we took a break, we're back in the studio

[00:00:54] We ate some pizza

[00:00:56] We got a fussy baby in the studio

[00:00:58] Yeah, the third guest is... he's rejecting Titanic at this point

[00:01:01] Guest three, yes

[00:01:02] He's selfishly asked guest two to leave with him

[00:01:05] We just got so upset when he started thinking about all the life sloths

[00:01:08] Yeah I know, he was a big Leo head back in the 90s

[00:01:12] We said that no one in this room really wrapped Leo Mania, but that's not true

[00:01:16] Charlie Rich, I mean Charlie...

[00:01:18] Charlie Baltus

[00:01:19] Yeah, he does, he's not a public figure yet

[00:01:22] So I'm gonna give some final thoughts on basically what I want you guys to talk about

[00:01:25] Is the geography in this movie and the way that he makes it clear where everything on the ship is

[00:01:30] Totally agreeable

[00:01:31] And what's going on when it's sinking and how scary water can be when it overruns all that stuff

[00:01:36] He does an amazing job, we talked about the recreation of the sinking on the computer

[00:01:40] And how that adds to it but yeah, that's what makes this movie incredible

[00:01:43] The doors busting open

[00:01:45] Like knowing what the significance of A-deck, B-deck, C-deck

[00:01:48] Yeah, setting up that hierarchy

[00:01:50] And he does so many sort of like sweeping shots

[00:01:54] Like you would almost argue it was repetitive, he keeps on doing those sweeping shots from outside the ship

[00:01:58] So swimming around it

[00:02:00] It just gives you such a sense

[00:02:02] But down the hallway that tilts the angle down the hallway, that's one of the doors all busting open

[00:02:06] Oh yeah, great, I think that's all CG

[00:02:08] And even getting ahead of ourselves, but when Leo's handcuffed to the pipe

[00:02:11] And they keep on cutting to that same shot from outside the port window

[00:02:15] And the water level's going up

[00:02:17] I think this ship may sink

[00:02:20] We've said this a lot with Cameron, it came up in our Terminator 2 episode

[00:02:25] But he is kind of the master of spatial geography

[00:02:29] For the scale of the films he makes

[00:02:32] It's why to me Avatar stands out as an action movie in ways that people don't understand sometimes

[00:02:38] Because you have a lot of scale, you have a lot of creatures of different sizes

[00:02:42] Yeah, I just feel like if someone does something there's a cause and effect that he very clearly represents

[00:02:47] He said cause and effect filmmaker

[00:02:49] Katie, back to you

[00:02:51] No, that was the main thing I wanted to say

[00:02:53] Geography, I'm out!

[00:02:54] Kind of, yeah, I'm going to be listening to this obviously

[00:02:57] Charlie is going to listen to it and he's going to have a lot of points that you guys didn't make

[00:03:00] He'll sort of gesture and maybe put his hand in his mouth

[00:03:03] He'll be commenting on Reddit actually about everything you missed

[00:03:06] Charlie's brutal on Reddit

[00:03:08] Yeah, Baltus 420

[00:03:12] 420 vape-like?

[00:03:13] So yeah, so we just look forward to coming back for the Old Dogs series

[00:03:17] Yes, of course, yes

[00:03:18] Katie, you're the best, great to have you on

[00:03:20] I'm glad you got to be on Titanic

[00:03:22] Me too, I wouldn't have been hard for you

[00:03:24] Even though you became a mother in between you saying I gotta be on Titanic

[00:03:27] No, that's true, like months ago I volunteered for this and then that time I had a baby

[00:03:31] And you guys kindly invited us both

[00:03:33] That's right dude

[00:03:34] Katie, now he's talking

[00:03:35] I know

[00:03:36] Fighting in the War Room, Little Gold Man, Vanny Fair

[00:03:38] That's right, and at Katie Rich on Twitter

[00:03:40] Why? For all the spellers out there

[00:03:42] Rich like Richie Rich

[00:03:44] Yes, oh boy, okay, cut us off

[00:03:46] Charlie, thank you for being here

[00:03:48] Thanks Charlie

[00:03:50] Now he's holding onto the phone

[00:03:52] Charlie, do you have any burger reports?

[00:03:58] That was pretty good

[00:03:59] We'll come back in ten years and explain with that man

[00:04:01] Sign pen, huh?

[00:04:03] Safe trip home

[00:04:04] Bye

[00:04:06] She's good

[00:04:07] So we're losing the mother of Charlie

[00:04:10] We're retaining the mother of Blankey's and we'll cheat us

[00:04:12] I want to say that this is twice in a row now

[00:04:14] That I've been in on a four person podcast

[00:04:17] And the other person has had to leak in and out

[00:04:20] I feel like maybe I'm too intimidating

[00:04:24] I feel like I drive people out of the room

[00:04:26] You just have a presence that overwhelms

[00:04:28] It's, you know, you're such a big personality part

[00:04:32] That's part of it

[00:04:33] Huge

[00:04:34] For the listener at home

[00:04:35] Another like a big personality

[00:04:36] Love a big personality

[00:04:37] Honker

[00:04:38] Bigger, bigger

[00:04:39] For the listener at home

[00:04:40] I would describe Emily as a bruiser

[00:04:43] Thank you

[00:04:44] Thank you

[00:04:45] A bruiser and a brawler

[00:04:47] I love the word bruiser

[00:04:48] We don't say that enough anymore

[00:04:49] I've been trying to use it a lot lately

[00:04:51] I think it's funny

[00:04:52] Well for this entire podcast

[00:04:53] They can't see at home

[00:04:54] But I've just been like standing sort of

[00:04:56] I've been standing the whole time

[00:04:57] And kind of looming over Katie and Charlie

[00:05:00] Arms of Kimbo, right?

[00:05:01] Like, very Trump style

[00:05:05] Occasionally you would like

[00:05:07] Make this the O.A.O. case

[00:05:09] Yes, I would make a little circle

[00:05:11] I'll say this too

[00:05:13] I mean blood dripping off of her

[00:05:16] Knuckles this entire time

[00:05:18] Weird

[00:05:19] And at first I thought it was someone else's blood

[00:05:20] But they haven't

[00:05:21] It hasn't stopped dripping

[00:05:22] So now I just wonder if she herself has bloody knuckles

[00:05:25] During our break

[00:05:26] Well also before the podcast

[00:05:28] I went in and I was so mad about

[00:05:31] About the Titanic

[00:05:32] Just the situation in general

[00:05:34] It was just a bad situation

[00:05:36] So you think I was mishandled?

[00:05:38] Well no, I went into the bathroom

[00:05:39] And I punched the mirror

[00:05:40] What if you go into the

[00:05:42] I just got out of it before

[00:05:44] I got in the bathroom

[00:05:45] It's just a shattered mirror

[00:05:47] With blood dripping down

[00:05:48] Emily's hand is wrapped

[00:05:49] Those women and children

[00:05:50] God

[00:05:51] Emily's hand is wrapped in a UCB tote bag

[00:05:54] Oh Emily, Emily

[00:05:56] Because we aren't doing the usual

[00:05:58] Bullshit we do to pad out

[00:06:00] At the beginning of an episode

[00:06:01] Right

[00:06:02] Had out

[00:06:03] What are you talking about?

[00:06:04] Luke, this is a good time for you to talk about

[00:06:05] Titanic adventure at a time

[00:06:07] Right, so this is my merchandise spotlight

[00:06:09] Although it doesn't have anything to do

[00:06:11] It actually predates

[00:06:12] 1996

[00:06:13] Titanic movie

[00:06:14] Much like Titanic the Musical

[00:06:16] Which we discussed before we started

[00:06:17] The Peter Gallagher mini-series

[00:06:19] PBS we found out about

[00:06:20] I mean some of this stuff was definitely

[00:06:22] Cash and in on the fact that

[00:06:24] Titanic was the biggest thing in the world

[00:06:25] But some of it is also just like

[00:06:26] Was it just time for us to be

[00:06:28] Into the Titanic?

[00:06:29] It is interesting that at all

[00:06:30] I mean the Titanic wreck was found in

[00:06:32] 1985

[00:06:33] And that rekindled I feel like a lot of

[00:06:35] Interest in the Titanic

[00:06:36] So I think that was part of a general

[00:06:38] Ground swell of like a new generation

[00:06:40] Really getting obsessed with it

[00:06:41] They tried to raise the

[00:06:43] There were all these concepts

[00:06:44] Can we bring the wreck back up?

[00:06:46] I don't know and like then

[00:06:47] The deep sea diving is happening

[00:06:48] So maybe it was just more

[00:06:49] They had the artifact exhibitions that go around

[00:06:51] Right, there was that touring

[00:06:52] And so it was just in the ether

[00:06:54] And I don't know

[00:06:56] There's also the great Douglas Adams

[00:06:57] Book Starship Titanic

[00:06:58] Which was also attached to a video game

[00:07:00] Very strange

[00:07:02] Douglas Adams and Terry Jones from

[00:07:04] Monty Python wrote it together

[00:07:06] And it's about the idea of it is

[00:07:07] Starship Titanic which is like

[00:07:09] The sea ship like a big grand amazing

[00:07:11] Thing and it has a spontaneous

[00:07:13] Existence failure and its first minute

[00:07:15] Of like so it's and so it just

[00:07:16] Blinks out of existence

[00:07:17] And then it like reappears later

[00:07:19] And he's like journalists like go on

[00:07:21] It to try and figure out what happened

[00:07:22] Very weird little book

[00:07:23] Can I ask a sidebar question

[00:07:25] Just because I invoke my sister

[00:07:27] A lot in this podcast because

[00:07:28] Since we're like a decade apart

[00:07:30] You do invoke her a lot

[00:07:32] Yeah but it's often an interesting

[00:07:34] Generational test for me to see

[00:07:36] In terms of the public consciousness

[00:07:39] In terms of what is popular

[00:07:41] And what isn't

[00:07:43] You know it's like ten years

[00:07:45] Absolutely

[00:07:46] How much of what you're into is generational

[00:07:48] And how much of it is kind of timeless

[00:07:50] Yeah and I think a lot changed

[00:07:52] Culturally in those ten years

[00:07:54] Between our childhood

[00:07:56] I feel like when this movie came out

[00:07:58] Not just because there were other

[00:07:59] Titanic projects although there certainly

[00:08:01] Were you know this wasn't like oh finally

[00:08:03] They've made something about the Titanic

[00:08:05] Like other shit had happened

[00:08:06] Even in the years leading up to it

[00:08:07] I just felt like Titanic was a story

[00:08:09] That everyone knew like it was a big

[00:08:11] American story that was talked about a lot

[00:08:13] And I wonder if for my sister's

[00:08:15] Generation it's like predominantly

[00:08:17] Titanic is this movie

[00:08:19] Right yeah they know it as the thing

[00:08:21] That that movie was based off of

[00:08:22] Yeah whereas like before that

[00:08:24] There wasn't a definitive Titanic

[00:08:26] Thing

[00:08:27] Yeah

[00:08:28] It was like World War II

[00:08:29] It was like there are movies about

[00:08:30] World War II

[00:08:31] Just a big crazy thing that happens

[00:08:32] Like Pompeii

[00:08:33] Yeah exactly and now there's the definitive

[00:08:35] Pompeii movie

[00:08:36] It took them that long to make a

[00:08:38] Pompeii movie

[00:08:39] And they blew it

[00:08:40] After Titanic and they blew it

[00:08:41] Because they could have put a

[00:08:43] Pompeii movie into production

[00:08:45] As soon as it was clear that Titanic

[00:08:47] Was the biggest thing in the world

[00:08:48] Like I don't know

[00:08:49] I feel like an early

[00:08:51] Like an early odds Pompeii would be

[00:08:53] Better than a 2015 or whatever

[00:08:55] I believe Roman Polanski was trying to

[00:08:57] Make one for a while after the penis

[00:08:59] Like that was sort of his blank check

[00:09:01] Goal

[00:09:02] What are you laughing at?

[00:09:03] You said penis

[00:09:04] Yeah that's for the penis

[00:09:05] That's what that movie is called right

[00:09:07] That movie about Adrian Brody's wing

[00:09:09] That movie's called the penis

[00:09:10] Am I wrong about that?

[00:09:11] He wanted to adapt

[00:09:13] Robert Harris' novel Pompeii

[00:09:15] I think that was his big idea yeah

[00:09:17] And I think it was going to be

[00:09:18] It was cancelled because of the strike

[00:09:19] Or the threat of a strike

[00:09:20] The writers' guild strike

[00:09:21] The threatened sag strike that never happened

[00:09:24] And it was Scarlett Johansson

[00:09:26] I think

[00:09:27] I think it was Scarlett Johansson

[00:09:28] I want to say

[00:09:29] Orlando Bloom and Scarlett Johansson

[00:09:30] Thank you

[00:09:31] Well I mean like they basically got

[00:09:33] The poor man's Orlando Bloom

[00:09:34] And that's saying something

[00:09:36] It was Kid Harrington, is that what it was?

[00:09:37] Kid Harrington

[00:09:38] Yeah that's a good

[00:09:39] I mean I don't know if he's the poor man

[00:09:41] Or Orlando's Bloom because that just seems

[00:09:42] Crazy that there could be a cure

[00:09:44] That's what I'm saying

[00:09:45] That's saying something

[00:09:47] But he does get

[00:09:48] Orlando Bloom is in a lot of large projects

[00:09:50] That are successful

[00:09:51] For a second there

[00:09:52] Yeah

[00:09:53] Or was, yeah

[00:09:54] We've talked about Orlando Bloom's penis

[00:09:56] Enough on this podcast

[00:09:57] We should talk about something else

[00:09:58] Alright okay so

[00:09:59] What I wanted to speak about though

[00:10:01] And anybody who knows me in real life

[00:10:03] Has had a couple of drinks at least with me

[00:10:06] Has definitely been a party to my

[00:10:09] Long Spale on the greatest video game

[00:10:12] After Mist

[00:10:13] Ever

[00:10:14] The greatest CD-ROM game I should say

[00:10:16] Ever created

[00:10:17] After Mist which is the best

[00:10:20] Is Titanic Adventure Out of Time

[00:10:23] Which was a 1996 CD-ROM game

[00:10:26] By the company Cyberflix

[00:10:28] Cyberflix

[00:10:29] Not Netflix

[00:10:30] No

[00:10:31] They really lost out there

[00:10:33] Oh man I remember that logo

[00:10:35] I must ask is there a colon in this title

[00:10:37] After Titanic?

[00:10:38] I think it is a colon

[00:10:40] I love colon to my titles

[00:10:41] Titanic, colon, Adventure Out of Time

[00:10:43] Okay great sounds good

[00:10:44] Okay so the premise of

[00:10:45] Well okay so here's the main thing

[00:10:47] That I think was the selling point

[00:10:48] Of Titanic Adventure Out of Time

[00:10:49] Is that it includes more or less

[00:10:52] A complete computer generated model

[00:10:56] Of the ship that you can click around

[00:10:58] And travel up and down in

[00:10:59] And it looks like the details are pretty

[00:11:01] For 96 yeah it's not bad

[00:11:04] And there are these weird talking characters

[00:11:07] That are like a combination of like

[00:11:09] Puppet animation

[00:11:10] And actual photography which is really spooky

[00:11:13] Yeah I mean like look at any

[00:11:15] Yeah it's really scary

[00:11:17] But is that was that mid 90s

[00:11:18] Video game thing where they would

[00:11:20] Use photos like you know

[00:11:23] Oh yeah

[00:11:25] That's uh if you go to my tumbler

[00:11:26] Right now that's at the top of it

[00:11:32] So it

[00:11:33] Going right to our tumbler

[00:11:34] Yeah I don't tell anybody

[00:11:36] The address of my tumbler if they missed out

[00:11:37] It's too late

[00:11:38] Missed out

[00:11:42] Anyway

[00:11:45] So Titanic Adventure Out of Time

[00:11:47] You are a secret agent

[00:11:50] A British secret agent

[00:11:53] In World War II

[00:11:55] It opens with you

[00:11:56] Is there some business with Hitler?

[00:11:58] Yeah so you're in the middle

[00:12:00] Of like fire bombings or whatever

[00:12:02] Or the blitz in London

[00:12:04] And apparently you were on

[00:12:07] A mission on the Titanic

[00:12:09] That could have potentially stopped

[00:12:11] World War I and thus World War II

[00:12:14] But you failed at this mission

[00:12:16] But then your apartment gets bombed

[00:12:18] And you travel back in time

[00:12:20] To the Titanic to get a second chance

[00:12:22] Was it a time bomb?

[00:12:24] Apparently

[00:12:26] I mean it's kind of

[00:12:28] It's very high concept

[00:12:30] So you're on the Titanic

[00:12:32] But you're dealing with like

[00:12:33] Germans and like

[00:12:35] Some kind of Slavic stowaway

[00:12:37] I forget where he's from

[00:12:40] Yeah what was his name?

[00:12:42] I am Vlad

[00:12:44] I think his name is Vlad

[00:12:45] There's a really amazing part

[00:12:47] Vlad Dimonic

[00:12:48] Yeah

[00:12:49] Serbian

[00:12:50] Oh that's subtle

[00:12:51] Is he a bad guy?

[00:12:55] There is like a whole plot

[00:12:57] Involving a priceless diamond necklace

[00:13:00] And a fake copy

[00:13:03] That you have to switch back and forth

[00:13:05] It's very eerie

[00:13:07] And it stars Diannardo Licaprio

[00:13:13] Had you been playing this before

[00:13:15] You saw the movie?

[00:13:16] No I got it after because like

[00:13:17] I think the thing that you know

[00:13:19] Like I feel like Katie and I

[00:13:21] Did this more than you guys did

[00:13:23] Just insisting like

[00:13:24] Well we were really into the ship though

[00:13:26] The ship is like really the cool thing

[00:13:28] But that was the thing that

[00:13:29] Stuck with me after seeing the movie

[00:13:31] It was like I was very interested in

[00:13:33] My other theory that I presented to you

[00:13:36] Before we did the podcast

[00:13:37] Which is that the fantasy of Titanic

[00:13:38] Is living and dying

[00:13:40] And falling in love in a mall

[00:13:42] Which is why

[00:13:43] That's some good shit right there

[00:13:44] Which is why queens are into it

[00:13:46] I mean it is like a hotel

[00:13:47] But it's also like a whole society

[00:13:48] Everything you need is on it

[00:13:50] Like a mall with a church in it

[00:13:52] And also a gym

[00:13:53] Yeah there was a squash court

[00:13:54] On the Titanic

[00:13:55] There was all kinds of

[00:13:56] There was a gym with weird exercise machines

[00:13:58] I wish we could have seen all that

[00:13:59] It's that weird kind of like

[00:14:01] Mall thing

[00:14:02] Well I mean if you go to a cruise ship

[00:14:03] Now they're all essentially malls

[00:14:05] Floating malls

[00:14:06] Yeah

[00:14:07] Right

[00:14:08] And you've been on a cruise

[00:14:09] I haven't been on a cruise

[00:14:10] As of two years ago

[00:14:11] I went on a cruise

[00:14:12] So it's that weird thing of like

[00:14:15] Hotel

[00:14:17] Mall

[00:14:18] Summer camp

[00:14:19] Because nobody can leave

[00:14:21] That's the thing

[00:14:22] But it's also everyone goes to the mall

[00:14:24] You can meet anyone at the mall

[00:14:25] Right

[00:14:26] Anything can happen

[00:14:27] It's a weird democratic

[00:14:28] Social stratics

[00:14:29] To cross paths with somebody

[00:14:30] You never would have crossed paths

[00:14:32] Exactly

[00:14:33] And then you're like

[00:14:35] Accessorized

[00:14:36] That's a British story

[00:14:37] No I know

[00:14:38] I know from accessories

[00:14:39] I'm just how bummed out

[00:14:40] That Donna the Dead

[00:14:41] Isn't a romantic comedy

[00:14:43] Like now I'm thinking about

[00:14:44] Like that's the one element

[00:14:45] Missing from that movie

[00:14:46] Is like the Star Cross Lovers

[00:14:48] I mean there are not nearly

[00:14:49] Enough mall movies

[00:14:50] I think frankly

[00:14:51] For how much the mall

[00:14:52] At one time

[00:14:53] Was a part of American culture

[00:14:54] Now I'm thinking about it

[00:14:55] But look so much was said

[00:14:56] Mall rats

[00:14:57] What's left

[00:14:58] There's scenes from mall

[00:14:59] And there's mall rats

[00:15:00] What else we got

[00:15:01] But mall rats covers

[00:15:02] Perfect all inclusive screenplay

[00:15:04] All encompassing all inclusive

[00:15:06] I don't think mall rats is very good

[00:15:08] But I do think that the female characters

[00:15:09] Are beautifully written

[00:15:10] Totally three dimensional

[00:15:12] I haven't seen mall rats in like a thousand

[00:15:14] Sucks

[00:15:15] What are some other mall movies

[00:15:17] Seens from malls

[00:15:19] Seens from malls the movie

[00:15:20] Where Woody Allen goes down

[00:15:21] In Bed Midler in a movie theater

[00:15:22] Right

[00:15:23] All that I can think of right now

[00:15:24] Is the episode of the OC

[00:15:26] Where they got stuck in the mall

[00:15:27] Paul Blart Mall Club

[00:15:28] Oh right

[00:15:29] Paul Blart Mall Club too

[00:15:30] And also Observe and Report

[00:15:32] Is almost entirely set in the mall

[00:15:33] But that's doing like creepy mall

[00:15:35] Chopping mall

[00:15:36] Chopping mall the two don't the deads

[00:15:39] Mall movie

[00:15:40] I mean that is the best

[00:15:43] Dead movie though

[00:15:45] Like

[00:15:46] I agree that is the best

[00:15:47] Does neither the comic take place

[00:15:48] In a mall

[00:15:49] It has a lot of mall stuff

[00:15:50] Right but it's not exclusively mall set

[00:15:52] Bad Santa mostly takes place in a mall

[00:15:54] Oh that's true

[00:15:57] How many movies

[00:15:59] Take place on a boat

[00:16:01] Titanic are you trying to get us

[00:16:02] Are you trying to pivot back to Titanic

[00:16:03] I am very loosely trying to pivot

[00:16:05] What a pro

[00:16:07] We need Emily on every week

[00:16:08] Just to pivot us

[00:16:10] Alright

[00:16:11] Hire me for your podcast

[00:16:13] You're like a podcast coach

[00:16:15] We got a lot of money

[00:16:16] We've actually been bleeding money

[00:16:18] Like in the reverse sense

[00:16:19] We have too much money to spend

[00:16:21] On this podcast

[00:16:22] Our budget's too big

[00:16:23] We need to hire more people

[00:16:25] Yeah that's definitely what's going on with us

[00:16:27] Alright

[00:16:28] Titanic

[00:16:29] So we left it at

[00:16:31] Right in the middle of the movie

[00:16:32] Right there in the middle

[00:16:33] When she's about to throw herself over

[00:16:35] Poor

[00:16:36] Right

[00:16:37] Right square in the middle of the movie

[00:16:39] Great job

[00:16:40] Anyway

[00:16:42] So

[00:16:43] So there is a whole

[00:16:44] A lot of roll on the nose dialogue

[00:16:46] Where it's like

[00:16:48] I can't pull you up

[00:16:49] You have to pull yourself up

[00:16:50] All that stuff

[00:16:51] Which gets repeated multiple times

[00:16:53] There's a lot of very

[00:16:54] Like strong telegraphing

[00:16:56] That like

[00:16:57] Who Rose isn't some helpless girl

[00:16:59] Sure

[00:17:00] Which I

[00:17:01] Feels a little obligatory to me

[00:17:02] But that stuff usually does

[00:17:04] He likes that kind of obligatory stuff

[00:17:05] He's a good fan

[00:17:07] I think this scene really turned me off as a 15 year old

[00:17:09] Is it me?

[00:17:10] I think this is why I started to get cynical

[00:17:11] Watching the movie as a teenager

[00:17:12] You know

[00:17:13] Because she's about to kill herself

[00:17:15] Yeah

[00:17:16] Who would do that

[00:17:17] Also the fact that he's like

[00:17:19] Oh you're not gonna do it

[00:17:21] Like that's

[00:17:23] That's pretty rough

[00:17:24] She's in a pretty tight dress

[00:17:25] And she went all the way over to the other side

[00:17:27] Like I don't think this is a cry for help

[00:17:29] Like

[00:17:30] Yeah

[00:17:31] It's almost crazy that she doesn't die

[00:17:32] Like you know

[00:17:33] Yeah

[00:17:34] The reason I don't like the scene

[00:17:35] Is the a

[00:17:37] That then you have to have them struggling

[00:17:39] Like she slips and he pulls her up

[00:17:41] And then it looks like a thing

[00:17:43] Right you need it because there has to be like

[00:17:45] A thing for him to get invited to dinner

[00:17:47] It's got a little clunky to me

[00:17:48] I also don't love it

[00:17:49] But everything that activates

[00:17:51] In the story I like

[00:17:52] Sure

[00:17:53] You know I mean

[00:17:54] The explanation of how he gets invited into this

[00:17:56] Other world

[00:17:57] And all of that I like

[00:17:58] I don't think that would ever have happened

[00:18:00] But I do like

[00:18:01] That I do like

[00:18:02] The Billy Zayn has the one to invite him

[00:18:04] Because that

[00:18:05] And the way he invites

[00:18:06] Where he's like

[00:18:07] Hmm you're still unhappy

[00:18:08] No one's like

[00:18:09] She almost fell off the fucking ship

[00:18:11] Like suicide or not

[00:18:12] Let's like

[00:18:13] Like we need to take her inside

[00:18:15] Give her lots of water

[00:18:16] Yeah

[00:18:17] Rose is not pleased

[00:18:18] And he's like

[00:18:19] What to do

[00:18:20] What to do

[00:18:21] Dawson

[00:18:22] You know

[00:18:23] Come entertain us

[00:18:24] With your porno

[00:18:25] And of course before

[00:18:26] Yeah

[00:18:27] Before then he's just like

[00:18:28] Ah 20 should do it

[00:18:29] Like yeah

[00:18:30] Good old Cal

[00:18:31] Cal almost feels like a character

[00:18:32] Who's just verbalizing his entire

[00:18:33] Intermodal log

[00:18:34] Like there's no intercom

[00:18:35] Because there's no one to check him

[00:18:36] There's no one to say

[00:18:37] Hey man that's how

[00:18:38] I mean male privilege much

[00:18:39] You know he thinks all of his thoughts

[00:18:41] Are worth sharing with the world

[00:18:42] You're so woe

[00:18:43] I'm pretty woke

[00:18:44] Look I don't want to say I'm an ally

[00:18:46] But low-key I'm an ally

[00:18:48] You know low-key I'm an ally

[00:18:50] Low-key ally

[00:18:51] Isn't it great when people tell you

[00:18:52] How much they're an ally

[00:18:53] That's always not suspicious at all

[00:18:54] There's no red flag there

[00:18:55] No red flag there

[00:18:56] But literally no one respects women

[00:18:58] More than me

[00:18:59] So he gets invited to dinner

[00:19:04] Oh and before that

[00:19:06] Then they have another stroll on the deck

[00:19:08] Where he teaches how to spit

[00:19:09] And then there's a very awkward moment

[00:19:12] Yeah

[00:19:13] I kinda

[00:19:14] What do you get

[00:19:15] I mean and then it's also when

[00:19:16] She sees his painting

[00:19:17] Or is that after

[00:19:18] That's the first time

[00:19:19] That they take a walk together

[00:19:20] Because she's like

[00:19:21] That's when they have the one

[00:19:23] Obligatory beat of like

[00:19:25] Oh she's annoyed with him

[00:19:26] Now they're kind of fighting

[00:19:27] And then she's like

[00:19:28] Well you're being rather rude

[00:19:29] Yeah and then she like

[00:19:31] Out of nowhere is like

[00:19:32] Oh I hate you

[00:19:33] Let me grab your sketchbook

[00:19:34] I can't stand you

[00:19:35] What are these anyway

[00:19:36] And you're in your le-

[00:19:37] Why does he have them with him anyway

[00:19:38] Wouldn't an obnoxious man

[00:19:39] I guess he has

[00:19:40] Nowhere to put him

[00:19:41] Oh no this is

[00:19:42] This is the takeaway from this

[00:19:43] As you grow older

[00:19:45] And you watch this movie

[00:19:46] If you were ever swayed

[00:19:48] By the notion of Jack Dawson

[00:19:49] Being a romantic character

[00:19:50] Once you were actually

[00:19:51] Into your late 20s or 30s

[00:19:53] And have met some Jack Dawson

[00:19:55] You were like

[00:19:56] That guy sucks

[00:19:57] That guy

[00:19:58] Yeah check out my charcoal drawings

[00:20:00] Of old ladies hands

[00:20:01] Right which is like

[00:20:02] An equivalent to fucking playing

[00:20:03] Like Wonderwall at a party

[00:20:04] On an acoustic

[00:20:05] You know like that's

[00:20:06] Like the same move

[00:20:07] Yeah

[00:20:08] Also another thing

[00:20:10] That I know this is not

[00:20:12] Very not a pleasant subject

[00:20:14] But

[00:20:15] Please

[00:20:16] I mean

[00:20:17] Jack is not a virgin right

[00:20:18] One assumes he is not

[00:20:19] I mean he's been hanging out

[00:20:20] With a lot of

[00:20:21] French ladies of the night

[00:20:23] All French boys

[00:20:24] And Madame Bijoux

[00:20:26] I feel like

[00:20:29] Rose definitely doesn't matter

[00:20:31] This whole situation

[00:20:33] Like she probably had a few surprises

[00:20:35] Unpleasant surprises

[00:20:36] When she got back to New York

[00:20:37] Is what I'm saying

[00:20:38] Oh you think he may be

[00:20:40] Okay alright

[00:20:41] Yeah look it's 1912

[00:20:43] But she does live till

[00:20:44] She's 100

[00:20:45] She didn't get syphilis

[00:20:46] I'm not saying syphilis

[00:20:47] So maybe something else

[00:20:48] She has prams

[00:20:49] And the clap

[00:20:51] But then again

[00:20:54] Of course she doesn't perish

[00:20:56] So that's pretty good

[00:20:57] No yeah she totally lives

[00:20:58] I mean also

[00:20:59] I don't know maybe

[00:21:01] He didn't even put it in

[00:21:02] We don't know

[00:21:03] We just know that

[00:21:04] She puts her hand on the glass

[00:21:06] And they're very sweaty

[00:21:07] There is that scene

[00:21:08] When she first boards the ship

[00:21:10] And she tells Bill Paxton

[00:21:11] To put on a condom

[00:21:12] Before they shake hands

[00:21:13] Alright

[00:21:15] I'm just saying

[00:21:16] It's subtext

[00:21:17] It's subtle

[00:21:18] Alright we're moving on

[00:21:19] I shouldn't even be mad at Griffin

[00:21:21] Because Emily is the one who brought this up

[00:21:23] Thank you

[00:21:24] Good job Emily

[00:21:25] Thank you for alley-ooping me

[00:21:26] Sorry

[00:21:27] I feel like Emily has a lot of theories

[00:21:29] And this is part two

[00:21:30] Is where she's going to air out

[00:21:31] All her theories

[00:21:32] Yeah

[00:21:33] I feel like that's probably

[00:21:34] Oh I left my no

[00:21:35] Oh wait no my no-pad's on

[00:21:36] I have some theories on my no-pad

[00:21:37] This is why we call Emily the theorist

[00:21:39] The mother of blankies

[00:21:40] Okay so he goes to dinner

[00:21:43] Yeah wait there was

[00:21:45] There was something I wanted to say

[00:21:46] Oh

[00:21:47] All these scenes are kind of lost me

[00:21:49] I mean

[00:21:50] I think they're just

[00:21:51] I don't think I care about young Griffin

[00:21:52] I gotta be honest with you

[00:21:53] Well I think they're

[00:21:54] But even watching it now today

[00:21:56] I'm saying

[00:21:57] It goes on more easily

[00:21:58] Because I'm able to view the movie as a whole

[00:22:00] And understand what they're setting up

[00:22:01] But I still think they're like

[00:22:02] The clumsiest sort of clunky scenes

[00:22:04] In the movie to me

[00:22:05] They feel a little

[00:22:07] Dare I say it

[00:22:08] They feel a little

[00:22:09] Anakin Padme to me

[00:22:11] Oh I don't agree with that

[00:22:12] The early chunks where they're not really

[00:22:14] Getting along

[00:22:15] Where they're sort of like

[00:22:16] Fighting with each other

[00:22:17] You went too far

[00:22:18] They're not anywhere near as bad

[00:22:19] But they have touches

[00:22:20] They have touches

[00:22:21] I don't agree with this Emily

[00:22:22] I don't agree with it either

[00:22:24] I think they do have chemistry

[00:22:26] I think that is the difference

[00:22:27] Like that's the thing that also

[00:22:29] Makes the film work

[00:22:31] Because you do believe it there

[00:22:32] I just don't let them argue

[00:22:33] I don't like watching people argue

[00:22:34] They literally only argue that

[00:22:35] They argue for like

[00:22:36] Briefly for like one minute

[00:22:37] For like five seconds

[00:22:38] It's like an argument

[00:22:39] He just says

[00:22:40] Do you love Cal

[00:22:41] And she's like

[00:22:42] What?

[00:22:43] You're gonna ask me this

[00:22:44] Yeah

[00:22:45] Well you're

[00:22:46] She calls them annoying at one point

[00:22:47] Yeah

[00:22:48] It's very cute

[00:22:49] The other thing is

[00:22:50] I think the whole thing is just cute

[00:22:51] Like you never really feel

[00:22:52] Like the man

[00:22:53] Maybe it's just like

[00:22:54] But this is the other element of it

[00:22:55] Where as in

[00:22:56] Anakin Padme just to be clear

[00:22:57] She's like

[00:22:58] You know I feel like a system

[00:22:59] Of laws and governance

[00:23:00] He's like

[00:23:01] I feel like someone should

[00:23:02] Just tell everyone what to do

[00:23:03] As they're like

[00:23:04] Rolling around in the crowd

[00:23:06] Also fuck sand

[00:23:07] Yeah

[00:23:08] I mean if you want to compare those two

[00:23:10] Like they are really nothing alike

[00:23:12] But guys

[00:23:14] Anakin and Padme are like

[00:23:16] A couple where their love is like

[00:23:19] They are talking about government

[00:23:21] And they're big ideas like that

[00:23:23] And like that's what half of their conversations

[00:23:25] Are about

[00:23:26] And this is a love story

[00:23:28] That takes place within

[00:23:29] Two days practically

[00:23:30] Within two days

[00:23:31] Oh within

[00:23:32] Also within a system

[00:23:33] A setting that is a microcosm

[00:23:35] Yeah but they don't talk about it at all

[00:23:37] Yeah I like that

[00:23:38] Really I mean there's very few

[00:23:39] Illusions to the fact

[00:23:40] Like oh I know how the world works

[00:23:41] Or whatever

[00:23:42] But it's not like they're sitting there

[00:23:44] Like dissecting like

[00:23:45] Oh the last part

[00:23:46] Yeah the Aristotle here

[00:23:47] Or whatever like that

[00:23:48] It's just the broad stuff of like

[00:23:49] You know let me show you a real good time

[00:23:51] Down in steerage

[00:23:52] You know with the fiddle

[00:23:53] And the Irish dancing

[00:23:54] They each are representing

[00:23:56] The thing that they're not talking about

[00:23:58] Right

[00:23:59] And he teaches her how to spit

[00:24:01] Like yeah

[00:24:02] Well I think you know

[00:24:03] I mean a big difference is that like

[00:24:05] All of us saw this movie for the first time

[00:24:07] When we were younger than the characters

[00:24:09] Sure

[00:24:10] And we're now all watching at a point where we're like

[00:24:12] You know like

[00:24:13] At least in terms of like

[00:24:14] World view significantly older

[00:24:16] Than the characters

[00:24:17] Where you can like watch this as like

[00:24:19] A nostalgia thing

[00:24:20] Not just for like when the movie came out

[00:24:21] But it's like oh this is very much

[00:24:22] A youth

[00:24:23] A young love movie

[00:24:24] Yes

[00:24:25] Versus like for all of us when we were watching it

[00:24:26] It was some sort of

[00:24:27] Meant to be aspirational

[00:24:28] Sort of like

[00:24:29] This is what love is

[00:24:30] This is sort of like a standard bear

[00:24:31] And so I mean

[00:24:32] All this stuff goes down for me more easily

[00:24:34] Now because the stuff I find kind of annoying

[00:24:35] I'm like well teenagers are annoying

[00:24:36] They're project fucking teenagers

[00:24:37] But also you have

[00:24:39] Old Rose

[00:24:40] Contextualizing everything

[00:24:42] And the fact that like

[00:24:43] It's a memory play

[00:24:44] It could be

[00:24:45] It could be

[00:24:46] Like just a young love story

[00:24:48] About something burning bright and hot

[00:24:49] And then getting dunked in an ice bath

[00:24:51] Sure

[00:24:52] But instead it is about

[00:24:55] The memory of this one thing

[00:24:56] And it's not

[00:24:57] The thing I love about this movie

[00:24:58] I thought I was going to say this for the end

[00:24:59] But I'll bring it up now

[00:25:00] One thing I like about this movie a lot

[00:25:02] Is that it's not that like

[00:25:03] She has this great love

[00:25:05] And then she survives

[00:25:06] And she never loves again

[00:25:08] She has this whole life

[00:25:09] I love that

[00:25:10] And she even gets married

[00:25:11] And has a kid

[00:25:12] He freed her from

[00:25:13] A life she didn't want

[00:25:14] It wasn't awakening

[00:25:15] She got to have the life she wanted

[00:25:16] That's the biggest thing

[00:25:17] And that seems like

[00:25:18] The importance of a young love

[00:25:19] Is not that this is like

[00:25:20] Your only love you're going to ever have

[00:25:22] But it's going to be like

[00:25:23] The thing that kind of

[00:25:24] Kick starts your life in a way

[00:25:26] Or like it awakens you emotionally

[00:25:28] Or whatever

[00:25:29] Even if it doesn't last

[00:25:30] And I think that that is like

[00:25:31] A very mature perspective

[00:25:33] And like a worldwide perspective

[00:25:36] On what otherwise is a

[00:25:37] Pretty and substantial young love type story

[00:25:39] But I mean yeah

[00:25:40] And that is what sells that

[00:25:42] Last moment of the movie

[00:25:43] Which we'll get to

[00:25:44] So great that pan over the pictures

[00:25:45] And then you know returning to

[00:25:47] That having been fun

[00:25:48] Jack still sucks

[00:25:49] Yeah

[00:25:50] He's alright

[00:25:51] I like Jack

[00:25:53] Everyone's a fuckboy these days

[00:25:55] Cameron's got a lot of fuckboys

[00:25:57] He waits, paints are nude

[00:25:59] And then they don't do anything

[00:26:00] Till they get to the car

[00:26:01] I was saying fuckboy

[00:26:02] I'm talking

[00:26:03] I'm saying like fuckboy

[00:26:04] Like a fuck

[00:26:05] Jack just has less of a personality

[00:26:07] Right

[00:26:08] He doesn't really have a personality

[00:26:09] He's magical

[00:26:10] He's a little magic

[00:26:12] Or he's a manic pixie dream boy

[00:26:14] He really is

[00:26:15] And like that scene in the dinner table

[00:26:17] Where he's suddenly just

[00:26:18] Spouting these canned lines

[00:26:20] Where he's like

[00:26:21] You know a week ago

[00:26:22] I was just

[00:26:23] He's a shit

[00:26:24] And now I'm on the Titanic

[00:26:25] With you five fellas

[00:26:26] And all that stuff

[00:26:27] It's like

[00:26:28] I'm like

[00:26:29] Are you running for office?

[00:26:30] Like give me lemons?

[00:26:31] It's also like

[00:26:32] If you're this charismatic and charming

[00:26:34] And all these rich people love you

[00:26:35] How come you have the life?

[00:26:36] Right

[00:26:37] I guess he wants that life

[00:26:38] That's the other thing

[00:26:39] I'm gonna throw out the other

[00:26:41] Like my old gripe

[00:26:42] Cause obviously I love this movie

[00:26:43] Right

[00:26:44] But this is a mild gripe

[00:26:45] I think I'm gonna win

[00:26:46] The two of you over on

[00:26:48] Jack's drawings

[00:26:49] Kinda basic

[00:26:50] They're okay

[00:26:51] You know who drew them right

[00:26:52] They're very

[00:26:53] Jim Cameron

[00:26:54] Really?

[00:26:55] Yeah

[00:26:56] Which makes sense cause they're

[00:26:57] Very technically proficient

[00:26:58] They're very

[00:26:59] They feel very contemporary to me again

[00:27:00] They do

[00:27:01] That is very true

[00:27:02] And they feel very clinical to me

[00:27:03] Yeah

[00:27:04] Which makes sense from Cameron

[00:27:05] Where it's just like

[00:27:06] Oh he knows how to draw a thing

[00:27:07] There is some weird

[00:27:09] Thing about them where I'm just like

[00:27:10] Well they

[00:27:11] Of course they look good

[00:27:12] They're Jack's famous drawings

[00:27:13] From the Titanic

[00:27:14] Like I've just seen him so many times

[00:27:15] Now this style is so

[00:27:16] Instantly recognizable to me

[00:27:18] As Jack Dawson

[00:27:19] You know

[00:27:20] Circa 1912

[00:27:21] It's just

[00:27:22] Every time I watch this

[00:27:23] The moment I have the hardest time

[00:27:24] Swallowing it

[00:27:25] Is when she looks at the drawing

[00:27:26] She goes

[00:27:27] Jack these are

[00:27:28] No she's like

[00:27:29] These are very good

[00:27:30] Well these are good

[00:27:31] These are very good actually

[00:27:32] And then she has to sit down

[00:27:33] Okay cool

[00:27:34] You know like in New York City

[00:27:36] The people they have in Times Square

[00:27:37] And Central Park

[00:27:38] Who aren't the caricaturists

[00:27:40] But they just have the

[00:27:41] Semi-realistic portraits

[00:27:42] That's what they look like to me

[00:27:44] Where it's like

[00:27:45] This is someone who

[00:27:46] Learned how to draw

[00:27:47] Technically

[00:27:48] I think it's very nice

[00:27:49] That Jim Cameron knows

[00:27:50] How to draw that well

[00:27:51] I think that

[00:27:52] Being able to draw from life

[00:27:53] Is a sign of character

[00:27:54] For me even if you're

[00:27:55] Not a good person

[00:27:56] Yes

[00:27:57] He's a good observation

[00:27:58] From Emily Eshiwia

[00:27:59] Like I totally agree with that

[00:28:01] As somebody who's like mom

[00:28:02] Just like that was one of the

[00:28:03] First things my mom ever taught me

[00:28:04] How to do it was just like

[00:28:05] Draw from life

[00:28:06] Which I cannot do it all

[00:28:07] So I must be a piece of shit

[00:28:08] My mom was the same way

[00:28:09] My mom, I draw a lot in this

[00:28:11] Because my mom taught me how to

[00:28:12] Draw very well

[00:28:13] No one in my family

[00:28:14] Has any artistic abilities so

[00:28:15] My siblings don't draw

[00:28:16] I do and my mom does

[00:28:17] Her grandmother drew

[00:28:19] Anyway

[00:28:20] So he dines with them

[00:28:21] I like the

[00:28:22] I really like

[00:28:24] Kathy Bates

[00:28:26] Yeah, it's just ridiculous

[00:28:28] It's just ridiculous

[00:28:29] I sharpen a pencil

[00:28:32] Oh, shut up

[00:28:33] Did you say shut up

[00:28:34] Because I

[00:28:36] I was gonna take it

[00:28:37] Shout out

[00:28:39] Shout out Celine

[00:28:40] Yeah

[00:28:41] Anyway, Kathy Bates

[00:28:43] I just

[00:28:44] Wonderful

[00:28:45] Yeah, she's wonderful

[00:28:46] She really saves these scenes

[00:28:48] These sort of like

[00:28:49] Really really silly

[00:28:51] Austin Tate's

[00:28:52] Very hokey

[00:28:53] Yeah, in the wrong hands

[00:28:54] It could have been

[00:28:55] Very hokey

[00:28:56] And

[00:28:57] It just

[00:28:58] I mean like

[00:28:59] He's using the

[00:29:00] You know, obviously he's kind of molding

[00:29:01] The Molly Brown

[00:29:02] Iconic sort of character

[00:29:03] I mean she wouldn't even

[00:29:04] Have been called Molly

[00:29:05] She wasn't called that until after

[00:29:06] The Titanic's saying

[00:29:08] She was Maggie Brown

[00:29:09] Oh

[00:29:10] But like that's

[00:29:11] I feel like this is the trickiest play

[00:29:12] Like you know

[00:29:13] Like we get that she would like Jack

[00:29:15] And that she would like

[00:29:16] Give him a

[00:29:17] Give him a coat and tails

[00:29:18] And she would like teach him to

[00:29:19] Yeah, she serves important story functions

[00:29:21] In that way of like teaching him

[00:29:22] How to be able to like

[00:29:23] You know, equate himself

[00:29:24] Right

[00:29:25] You know

[00:29:26] Need that silverware the right way

[00:29:27] Yeah

[00:29:28] Work from the outside in

[00:29:29] Or the inside out

[00:29:30] Outside in

[00:29:31] Outside in

[00:29:32] There's a character we haven't talked about

[00:29:33] A lot who you briefly invoked

[00:29:35] As the Titanic Terminator

[00:29:37] Oh, Spicer Lovejoy

[00:29:39] Which is an unbelievable character

[00:29:41] Played by David Warner

[00:29:42] Great character name

[00:29:43] Stark and Tron

[00:29:44] Stark and Tron

[00:29:46] I mean

[00:29:47] That whole scene in the hallway

[00:29:48] Is just

[00:29:50] Terminator again

[00:29:51] Yeah

[00:29:52] Amazing

[00:29:53] He does like even the blade running

[00:29:54] To a degree while wearing like

[00:29:55] A three piece suit

[00:29:56] Like a waistcoat

[00:29:57] Well this is where

[00:29:58] This is where David

[00:29:59] Other David

[00:30:00] Brought up the point that I have to

[00:30:01] Credit him with

[00:30:02] Which is that in that scene

[00:30:04] Watching it

[00:30:05] It occurred to him

[00:30:06] That Leo's hair does look

[00:30:07] Like John Connor's hair

[00:30:09] Oh, yeah the swoop

[00:30:10] And that it's

[00:30:11] Yeah

[00:30:12] And there is that scene

[00:30:13] Where Leo's wearing the public

[00:30:14] Animations

[00:30:16] And he hacks into an ATM

[00:30:18] Yeah

[00:30:19] And he just blasts

[00:30:20] Like 15 seconds of

[00:30:21] You could be mine

[00:30:22] On a boom box

[00:30:24] Like just enough

[00:30:25] That they can say it's the song from

[00:30:27] My heart beats for thee

[00:30:28] I love him so much

[00:30:29] I mean Edward Furlong

[00:30:30] Had he not fucked up

[00:30:31] He was

[00:30:32] I think he was

[00:30:33] Talked about for this role

[00:30:34] Oh really

[00:30:35] Yeah, he was

[00:30:36] He was supposed to be

[00:30:37] What Leo became right

[00:30:38] Like kind of like the dreamy

[00:30:40] Boy that teen girls like

[00:30:42] I mean you know who they should have

[00:30:43] With chops though

[00:30:44] Like

[00:30:45] You know who they should have

[00:30:46] Screen tested for this role

[00:30:47] The real John Connor

[00:30:50] Producer Ben

[00:30:52] Okay

[00:30:53] He can't hear you

[00:30:54] He can't talk

[00:30:55] I know I'm just saying

[00:30:56] I would have loved to see

[00:30:57] Producer Ben V in Titanic

[00:30:59] There is that famous

[00:31:01] Story that

[00:31:03] Ben Tannock

[00:31:04] That Kate Winslet

[00:31:05] Screen tested with Leo

[00:31:07] And then said to James Cameron

[00:31:08] Like he's really good

[00:31:09] Even if you don't hire me

[00:31:10] You should hire that guy

[00:31:11] Yeah

[00:31:12] Which I like

[00:31:13] Isn't there

[00:31:14] My master remembering

[00:31:15] Or is there

[00:31:16] Then she harassed James Cameron

[00:31:17] For the role

[00:31:18] Like really harassed him

[00:31:19] Every single day

[00:31:20] And say I have to be Rose

[00:31:21] Like she just like

[00:31:22] Worked him as hard as she could

[00:31:24] Trying to find

[00:31:25] Who some of the other people

[00:31:26] Who tested were

[00:31:27] I feel like I couldn't tell

[00:31:28] If I was master remembering

[00:31:29] Or not because I didn't get

[00:31:30] Chance to crack the special features

[00:31:31] But I feel like on the blue

[00:31:32] Raid there's a screen test

[00:31:33] An earlier screen test

[00:31:34] She had done that's her

[00:31:35] And it's set with Jeremy Sisto

[00:31:36] Am I wrong about that

[00:31:37] Yeah, cause he was very close

[00:31:38] Right

[00:31:39] Which is weird

[00:31:40] I like Jeremy Sisto

[00:31:41] But this film would not

[00:31:42] Have worked with him in the role

[00:31:43] I think he's too abrasive

[00:31:44] Actually I think Jeremy

[00:31:45] Sisto is a little

[00:31:46] Too strong a presence

[00:31:47] She's kicking Wallies down

[00:31:48] Fuck you didn't even get to be

[00:31:49] In the movie

[00:31:50] I like Jeremy Sisto a lot

[00:31:52] One time he came into

[00:31:53] The comic store I used to

[00:31:54] Work at and I sold him

[00:31:55] A bunch of books

[00:31:56] And we had a nice talk

[00:31:57] We talked about comics

[00:31:59] Well I think it is sort of

[00:32:00] Important though that

[00:32:02] Jack not over power

[00:32:04] Rose

[00:32:05] I agree

[00:32:06] Yeah that is true

[00:32:07] That's really important

[00:32:08] Cameron wanted Jared Lido

[00:32:09] That was his number one

[00:32:10] Choice

[00:32:11] Jared wouldn't even audition

[00:32:12] He would have drowned himself

[00:32:13] For the role

[00:32:14] He would have fucking

[00:32:15] Oh I gotta be an ice

[00:32:17] For six months

[00:32:18] Fucking Jared Lido

[00:32:19] How do you feel about Jared?

[00:32:21] Me?

[00:32:22] I would not have been into that

[00:32:23] Neither of you

[00:32:24] No

[00:32:25] Even though it was

[00:32:26] My so called life

[00:32:27] Jordan Canalano

[00:32:28] But again too contemporary

[00:32:29] I mean I will give it to Leo

[00:32:30] Like he doesn't look out of place

[00:32:31] And the film and the world

[00:32:33] Like I believe that he could

[00:32:34] That's some classical

[00:32:35] Yeah

[00:32:36] Here's some Paul Rudd

[00:32:37] Auditioned

[00:32:38] His own father

[00:32:39] That would have been bad

[00:32:40] I mean that would have been

[00:32:41] My favorite movie

[00:32:42] Remember Paul Rudd and Romeo

[00:32:43] And Juliet though

[00:32:44] Yeah

[00:32:45] Because literally he gets rejected

[00:32:46] Oh my god

[00:32:48] He's Paris

[00:32:49] He's Paris

[00:32:50] Redtanic

[00:32:51] I would be totally on board with

[00:32:52] The astronaut

[00:32:53] Oh my god

[00:32:54] Yeah it's so cute

[00:32:55] He's just so cute

[00:32:56] And then there's that scene

[00:32:57] Where like the fireworks

[00:32:58] Are going off at the party

[00:32:59] And he turns around

[00:33:00] He's like so excited

[00:33:01] About the fireworks

[00:33:02] I love it

[00:33:03] It's like a little preview

[00:33:04] Of like later comedy run

[00:33:05] Like he does

[00:33:06] A total like red face

[00:33:07] Yeah

[00:33:08] His father was an avid

[00:33:09] Titanic historian

[00:33:10] And he reeled off

[00:33:11] All these technical info

[00:33:13] At the audition

[00:33:14] And apparently they didn't

[00:33:15] Are Steven

[00:33:16] Steven Dorf

[00:33:17] Skull

[00:33:18] That would be how I tried

[00:33:19] To get the role

[00:33:20] To be honest

[00:33:21] I'd come in with

[00:33:22] Wikipedia on my phone

[00:33:23] Just ready to

[00:33:24] I've done that in the

[00:33:25] Past for auditions

[00:33:26] It never worked

[00:33:27] I'm telling ya

[00:33:28] But I know everything

[00:33:29] Yeah but I care about this

[00:33:30] And they're like

[00:33:31] Get the fuck out of here

[00:33:32] We won't pay someone a station

[00:33:33] Steven Dorf

[00:33:34] I'm seeing over here

[00:33:35] Steven Dorf rejected the part

[00:33:36] Billy Crudup rejected the part

[00:33:38] Hugh Grant was offered

[00:33:39] Cal and turned it down

[00:33:41] Yeah I mean

[00:33:42] Would have been an okay

[00:33:43] Cal

[00:33:44] Overpowered the movie though

[00:33:45] I think that's the problem

[00:33:46] He would have been

[00:33:47] To he would have popped too much

[00:33:49] Yeah

[00:33:50] Caleb Deschanel

[00:33:51] Who we talked about

[00:33:52] On our Jack Reacher podcast

[00:33:53] Tested for Jack Dawson

[00:33:54] He was the cinematographer

[00:33:56] And was fired

[00:33:57] What really

[00:33:58] By James Cameron

[00:33:59] Because they disagreed

[00:34:00] On the lighting

[00:34:01] And Russell Carpenter

[00:34:02] Shot this movie

[00:34:03] He did a beautiful job

[00:34:04] He did

[00:34:05] It's a gorgeous movie

[00:34:06] Yeah god

[00:34:07] Wow that's fascinating to me

[00:34:08] Hmm

[00:34:09] I mean

[00:34:10] Leo was so clearly

[00:34:11] The choice of all those

[00:34:12] People you listed

[00:34:13] And it's

[00:34:14] You know it's not just a hindsight

[00:34:15] 2020 thing

[00:34:16] I think some of them are better actors

[00:34:17] And some of them are worse actors

[00:34:18] Oh she did shit

[00:34:19] I've got a backpact

[00:34:20] I'll take them

[00:34:21] Cool

[00:34:22] But it is

[00:34:23] It's like crazy to think that

[00:34:24] Like he's the one guy

[00:34:25] Who could have been

[00:34:26] I mean there's a similar thing

[00:34:27] Like around that same time

[00:34:28] Independence Day

[00:34:30] There was like 25 guys

[00:34:31] That turned it down before Will Smith

[00:34:33] And the movie wouldn't have worked

[00:34:34] With any of the other 25 guys

[00:34:36] One pet

[00:34:38] One last piece of trivia

[00:34:39] I think Ethan Hawke was close

[00:34:40] For both Independence Day

[00:34:41] And Titanic

[00:34:42] I think he was considered

[00:34:43] Yeah

[00:34:44] One last trick

[00:34:45] One last piece of trivia

[00:34:46] And let's get back to the plot

[00:34:47] On the set of Titanic

[00:34:48] Leonardo DiCaprio's pet lizard

[00:34:49] Was run over by a truck

[00:34:50] But with some TLC

[00:34:52] DiCaprio nursed him back to health

[00:34:54] Were you guys talking about

[00:34:55] Pugsley

[00:34:56] Terminator

[00:34:57] Yes

[00:34:58] Pugsley the lizard

[00:34:59] What if he adopted Pugsley

[00:35:01] Wow

[00:35:02] Leo's lizard was Pugsley

[00:35:04] Do you think that Leo's lizard

[00:35:06] Dying was like

[00:35:07] Where he lost his way

[00:35:09] Yeah he never recovered

[00:35:11] Yeah

[00:35:12] And the last thing Pugsley said to Leo

[00:35:14] Then he's like I'm going to go be in the beach

[00:35:15] I don't know

[00:35:16] I don't know

[00:35:17] I'm not thinking

[00:35:18] What should I do

[00:35:19] And then he turns

[00:35:20] The cage is empty

[00:35:21] He's like

[00:35:22] The last thing Pugsley said to Leo

[00:35:24] Was winning Oscar

[00:35:25] And then Leo was like at all costs

[00:35:27] Yeah

[00:35:28] I must

[00:35:29] I'm sacrificing everything

[00:35:30] Pugsley

[00:35:31] Pugsley

[00:35:32] So guys

[00:35:33] That was weird when he said that

[00:35:34] At the Oscars for their revenue

[00:35:35] He went for Pugsley

[00:35:36] Amazingly

[00:35:37] We have to press us

[00:35:38] To move on with the plot

[00:35:40] So this is part two

[00:35:41] Two part episode

[00:35:42] Can we make it a three part?

[00:35:43] Uh

[00:35:44] So they go to dinner

[00:35:46] You want to go to a real party

[00:35:48] Yeah they go to the real party

[00:35:49] This is my least favorite part of the movie

[00:35:51] Oh I love this part

[00:35:52] Okay

[00:35:53] Emily just gave me a little

[00:35:54] Side-eye

[00:35:55] I'm throwing some side-eye

[00:35:56] I'm throwing some side-eye

[00:35:57] I found it tiresome this time watching it

[00:35:59] But usually I find it to be fun

[00:36:01] See I like real salt of the earth

[00:36:02] Well this is exactly what I hate about it

[00:36:04] That's what I like

[00:36:05] His, I think I talked about it on part one

[00:36:07] Of our podcast

[00:36:08] Fetishization of immigrants

[00:36:10] Especially Irish immigrants

[00:36:11] Is so hacky to me

[00:36:13] And it was also partly that I lived in Britain

[00:36:15] And was like, you know

[00:36:17] Closer to, like I knew Irish people

[00:36:19] And like it's, especially in Britain

[00:36:21] Like you're so attuned to that sort of

[00:36:23] Top of the morning

[00:36:25] Fucking, you know

[00:36:27] Fiddle and step dancing

[00:36:29] Irish stuff

[00:36:30] So does the score bug you?

[00:36:31] I actually love the score

[00:36:33] It's so corny but I love it

[00:36:35] I mean I like Horner

[00:36:36] He's corny

[00:36:37] The Raveheart score too

[00:36:38] It's called James Horner

[00:36:39] They should and they should

[00:36:41] And maybe one day they will

[00:36:42] Okay, they just high-five

[00:36:45] Nope

[00:36:46] I can't take credit for this

[00:36:48] But I played the score

[00:36:52] For highlights from the score

[00:36:54] In my seventh grade orchestra

[00:36:56] What did you play Emily?

[00:36:57] Unable to stay unwilling to leave?

[00:36:58] I played five

[00:36:59] Never an absolution?

[00:37:00] Never an absolution

[00:37:01] Take it or see Mr. Murdoch

[00:37:03] Great one

[00:37:04] That's the

[00:37:07] Yeah, it's so good

[00:37:09] What did you play?

[00:37:10] I played violin

[00:37:11] And I mean I think it was a vastly

[00:37:15] Abridged simplified score

[00:37:17] But it was seventh grade

[00:37:18] It was Titanic

[00:37:19] Everybody wanted to do this

[00:37:20] Did they make you play?

[00:37:21] I think it's a great score

[00:37:22] I think it's beautiful

[00:37:23] The chorus on it is so good

[00:37:25] That the sort of voices

[00:37:27] Yeah, the synthy voice

[00:37:28] And during Never

[00:37:30] Unwilling to Stay Unable to Leave

[00:37:32] Which is one of my favorite pieces of music

[00:37:34] Which is when she jumps off the lifeboat

[00:37:36] I announced to Joanna

[00:37:38] Who was watching this movie for the first time with me

[00:37:40] I said this piece of music is called

[00:37:42] Unable to Stay Unwilling to Leave

[00:37:44] Unwilling to Stay Unable to Leave

[00:37:46] And she laughed at me

[00:37:48] Mockingly

[00:37:49] Yeah, in my face

[00:37:50] Wait, why?

[00:37:51] For knowing that

[00:37:52] Because this is a beautiful piece of music

[00:37:54] And meanwhile the music is like

[00:37:55] Do do do

[00:37:56] I don't know which track it's from

[00:37:58] Which one is this one?

[00:37:59] I'm gonna find it

[00:38:00] Which play a snippet of it

[00:38:01] It's called Unable to Stay Unwilling to Leave

[00:38:03] I don't remember

[00:38:04] I don't think we played this

[00:38:05] I only at this recital

[00:38:06] Did they make you all play

[00:38:08] In a sinking ship?

[00:38:10] No, we didn't have the budget for that one

[00:38:12] No, I didn't go to school in Brooklyn

[00:38:14] Hey, hey

[00:38:16] West Village at the time

[00:38:20] Oh

[00:38:21] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

[00:38:23] It's the very synthy organ stuff

[00:38:25] I mean it's the intro for

[00:38:27] My hair will go on

[00:38:29] Yeah

[00:38:31] Yeah, no

[00:38:32] It switches when it makes the switch

[00:38:35] To that

[00:38:36] Is like when you realize

[00:38:38] Oh yeah, everybody's gonna die

[00:38:39] Yeah, it's like the hopeless moment

[00:38:41] In the whole progression of the

[00:38:43] It's what's playing

[00:38:44] Shut up, it's what's playing

[00:38:45] When the firework explodes behind him

[00:38:47] Titanic

[00:38:48] Yeah

[00:38:51] It's great

[00:38:52] Anyway

[00:38:53] And it also has the

[00:38:54] You know the weird echo

[00:38:56] Yeah, yeah, yeah

[00:38:57] You know it's a very simple music too

[00:38:58] But that's the end

[00:38:59] That's the end too

[00:39:00] Yeah, it's also at the end

[00:39:02] A very simple music I love

[00:39:04] Oh, Hebrew uses a lot

[00:39:06] A very simple music that really works for me

[00:39:08] And that's when the first time you hear it

[00:39:10] Is the first sight of the iceberg

[00:39:12] But then it's for like the danger cue

[00:39:13] Which is this very ominous drawn out like

[00:39:15] No

[00:39:17] I did a really bad job of approximating it

[00:39:19] You really did

[00:39:21] Can we sample that later?

[00:39:23] Remember that great piece of music

[00:39:25] Alright

[00:39:27] So the romance stuff plays out next

[00:39:29] After the dinner, right?

[00:39:30] There's like the dinner upstairs

[00:39:31] The whiskies and brandy all like

[00:39:33] I mean the brandy and cigars

[00:39:34] All life is a game of luck

[00:39:35] Yeah

[00:39:36] A lot of great lines up there

[00:39:37] Yeah

[00:39:38] Well go ahead, Emily

[00:39:39] Start from the outside

[00:39:40] Then you want to go to a real party

[00:39:43] You think you're big strong men

[00:39:45] I thought that was sort of annoying

[00:39:48] Oh when she goes on point

[00:39:50] Yeah

[00:39:51] It's a little lame

[00:39:52] I feel embarrassed for her always

[00:39:55] In that scene

[00:39:56] A little bit because you think they're going to be like

[00:39:58] Wow

[00:39:59] Like you're just like

[00:40:00] I don't know what the point of that

[00:40:02] Like you can do stuff too

[00:40:04] Yeah

[00:40:05] Yeah too

[00:40:06] Yeah

[00:40:07] Anyway

[00:40:08] What happens after that

[00:40:10] Oh and then

[00:40:11] The T-1000 sees them

[00:40:13] Spicer lovejoy

[00:40:15] I just love this first name is Spicer

[00:40:17] I don't believe anyone says

[00:40:18] Spicer lovejoy

[00:40:19] Spicer lovejoy

[00:40:20] Spicer lovejoy

[00:40:21] Spicer

[00:40:22] Spicer lovejoy

[00:40:23] Spicer

[00:40:24] I mean

[00:40:25] You can't make this shit up

[00:40:28] Oh and then

[00:40:29] And then Cal throws a fit

[00:40:31] And he turns the tape below her

[00:40:33] Oh right that scene plays out right

[00:40:35] Because he hears about her going down below Dex

[00:40:37] He's like I thought you would enjoy me tonight

[00:40:39] Which is very spicy

[00:40:40] Speaking of spicy

[00:40:41] Yeah he's

[00:40:42] I didn't even think about that

[00:40:43] He's trying to Mac on her before they get married

[00:40:45] Which is not cool

[00:40:46] Not very to me at all

[00:40:47] And she's 17 years old

[00:40:48] But yeah maybe he's just like

[00:40:49] Look we're on a boat

[00:40:50] Like international waters

[00:40:51] Like international waters

[00:40:52] Giant diamonds

[00:40:53] Yeah

[00:40:54] He gives her the

[00:40:55] We already gave her the diamond

[00:40:57] So I feel like maybe at this point

[00:40:58] He's just like what

[00:40:59] Why don't you

[00:41:00] But that is actually

[00:41:01] That's a scene that scared the crap out of me with it

[00:41:03] When I was a kid

[00:41:04] Because I had never seen a movie

[00:41:05] I was 11

[00:41:06] That had any kind of

[00:41:08] Domestic violence theme

[00:41:10] Anything like that

[00:41:11] And when he turns the table over

[00:41:12] It's really frightening

[00:41:14] Now I guess it seems more ridiculous

[00:41:16] My wife

[00:41:17] My wife or whatever it is he'd like

[00:41:18] I'm upset

[00:41:19] But I like that

[00:41:21] Cameron sticks with her crying

[00:41:23] Like trying to blow it off to the maid

[00:41:25] Is like we had an accident

[00:41:26] But also trying to clean up

[00:41:28] And then the maid won't let her clean up

[00:41:30] Which is very

[00:41:31] The maid gets some shit right then

[00:41:33] And then right after

[00:41:34] Because there's the corset scene

[00:41:35] With Francis Fisher who's her mom

[00:41:37] What's her mom's name?

[00:41:39] Ruth comes in and she's like

[00:41:40] Get the fuck out of here maid

[00:41:42] Yeah

[00:41:43] And the corset is a punishment thing

[00:41:46] Very, very real

[00:41:47] Also like any girl who grew up

[00:41:49] Watching a lot of historical dramas

[00:41:51] Like wanted a corset anyway

[00:41:53] And so I think in that scene you're like

[00:41:55] Oh maybe it would suck

[00:41:56] If your mom did it

[00:41:57] Like it would suck

[00:42:00] And that's, I mean

[00:42:01] I guess we need that scene

[00:42:03] It's where the mom's reminding her

[00:42:04] Like look we may be old money

[00:42:05] But we're not rich

[00:42:06] And you gotta do this

[00:42:07] Now okay I'm curious about the scene

[00:42:09] For you guys

[00:42:10] Because I remember as a kid

[00:42:11] When she starts crying

[00:42:12] About being a seamstress

[00:42:13] And like we'll lose all your things

[00:42:15] That seems very

[00:42:16] She doesn't seem very sympathetic

[00:42:17] At all

[00:42:18] You're like oh this lady crying

[00:42:19] Like what she

[00:42:20] But like

[00:42:21] I think now watching it

[00:42:24] I think she's a little more sympathetic

[00:42:26] I think the film does a great job

[00:42:29] By making her both a villain

[00:42:31] But totally illustrating

[00:42:33] Her like fully limited perspective

[00:42:35] Like she is not a person who is evil

[00:42:38] Like Cal's kind of evil

[00:42:40] You know he's like a mustache

[00:42:41] Corling villain

[00:42:42] She's literally just like

[00:42:43] She just doesn't understand anything

[00:42:45] And she can't conceive of a life

[00:42:47] That isn't involved in her scene

[00:42:48] Exactly

[00:42:49] And like the crucial moment is later

[00:42:51] Obviously when she's like

[00:42:52] I hope the steerage people won't be on the life boat with me

[00:42:55] Oh bother shut up

[00:42:56] And that's like the final breaking point

[00:42:59] They never interact again

[00:43:01] That's it

[00:43:02] That's like she demands her mother

[00:43:03] There's some really good reaction shots from Francis Fisher

[00:43:05] Francis Fisher is a very good actress

[00:43:07] Yeah

[00:43:08] So good in this

[00:43:09] There's an unforgiven example

[00:43:10] Towards the end of the movie

[00:43:12] And she was married to Eastwood right?

[00:43:14] Wasn't she?

[00:43:15] He's been married like 50 times

[00:43:17] At least?

[00:43:18] Yeah she was married to him for five years

[00:43:19] Yeah

[00:43:20] No not married

[00:43:21] Partner

[00:43:22] Okay I think they had a child together

[00:43:23] Francesca

[00:43:24] Boy

[00:43:25] Francesca Eastwood

[00:43:26] She is known for starring in Mrs. Eastwood and Company

[00:43:29] An e-reality series

[00:43:30] Oh right that thing

[00:43:31] She is a frequent figure in Blind Edm's

[00:43:34] Oh interesting

[00:43:36] That's the only way I know of anything about her

[00:43:39] No I was gonna say

[00:43:40] I think limited perspective is a good term

[00:43:43] I do feel like a lot of movies

[00:43:46] Want to have like adversary characters

[00:43:48] Who aren't quite villains

[00:43:50] Like that's a really useful tool

[00:43:52] Because like

[00:43:54] Even just you know

[00:43:55] I'm kind of against movies where it's just someone who's like

[00:43:57] Evil for the sake of being evil

[00:43:59] Right

[00:44:00] And it's always kind of more sympathetic

[00:44:01] If you have someone who like thinks they're doing the right thing

[00:44:03] Yeah

[00:44:04] To convey it and they just don't understand

[00:44:05] Yeah

[00:44:06] The way the world actually works

[00:44:07] No

[00:44:08] Having a bunch of people who think they're doing the right thing

[00:44:10] Versus somebody who's like actually trying to just

[00:44:12] Always try to be the better

[00:44:13] Yeah

[00:44:14] I mean just but what is

[00:44:15] What Cameron has struck on

[00:44:17] That is so clever

[00:44:18] And then a movie like A Night to Remember

[00:44:19] Didn't really struck on it

[00:44:20] As much as that's a very cool movie

[00:44:22] Is the idea

[00:44:23] Like the mall idea

[00:44:24] They're all stuck together

[00:44:26] Even if they are separated out

[00:44:27] Like it's still

[00:44:28] He can go up the staircase

[00:44:29] Like it's not hard

[00:44:30] For these people to interact with each other

[00:44:32] Right

[00:44:33] And like

[00:44:34] That's why

[00:44:35] Like you almost

[00:44:36] Understand why Cal is so phenomenally evil

[00:44:38] Cause like when else

[00:44:39] Like his only other interactions with poor people

[00:44:41] Would be like I put my trust in you

[00:44:43] And shaking their hands

[00:44:44] David just put fake money in my hand

[00:44:46] Monopoly money

[00:44:47] He brought just for that joke

[00:44:49] Do you think

[00:44:50] What do you think

[00:44:51] If there was like a modern remake

[00:44:53] Of Titanic

[00:44:54] Like the way that Shakespeare companies

[00:44:56] Sometimes do the hip new take

[00:44:57] On a two gentleman

[00:44:59] Yeah

[00:45:00] Sure

[00:45:01] Right

[00:45:02] Yeah

[00:45:03] It's setting a depression era carnival

[00:45:04] But it's Titanic

[00:45:05] No but nobody would be set right now

[00:45:06] What would their real party be

[00:45:07] Oh like what would they

[00:45:08] Right where he takes her from

[00:45:10] From the stuffy like

[00:45:13] Penthouse bar or whatever

[00:45:15] Where does he take her to

[00:45:16] There's nothing

[00:45:17] I don't know

[00:45:18] What's up with Titanic anymore

[00:45:19] I mean having

[00:45:20] There's no space to do anything

[00:45:22] Like that

[00:45:23] They wouldn't give you a free rec room

[00:45:25] On any kind of ship to go have

[00:45:27] Again

[00:45:28] You've been on a cruise

[00:45:29] So you know about it the night

[00:45:30] Were you in Steerage

[00:45:31] No

[00:45:32] I had my own mirrors

[00:45:35] Wow

[00:45:36] I don't even know how a cruise works

[00:45:38] Like timing us

[00:45:39] Is it the same way as a like

[00:45:40] First class, second class, third class

[00:45:42] Like is there that

[00:45:43] There are definitely different

[00:45:45] Classes of room

[00:45:47] Sure

[00:45:48] When you pay more you get a better room

[00:45:49] Yeah and you can

[00:45:50] I mean

[00:45:51] We're gonna hire up in that crew

[00:45:53] With the balcony

[00:45:54] Oh my God

[00:45:55] Well I should just

[00:45:56] My boyfriend performs on a cruise

[00:45:58] Humble brand

[00:45:59] So it was like no we didn't have to pay for

[00:46:00] It was very nice

[00:46:01] Right

[00:46:02] So that's my

[00:46:03] Of course

[00:46:04] Of course

[00:46:05] Getting on a cruise ship

[00:46:07] For the first time in my life

[00:46:08] When I am 30

[00:46:10] I immediately am like

[00:46:11] Oh this is just like Titanic

[00:46:13] Hey Mr. Murdock

[00:46:14] That's the first thing I think of

[00:46:15] I'm like let's go to the front of the ship

[00:46:16] And let's stand at the bow

[00:46:18] And of course you can't do that

[00:46:19] Like they won't let you

[00:46:20] There's a rope

[00:46:21] You can't go

[00:46:22] I imagine that you probably couldn't go

[00:46:23] All the way to the front on the Titanic

[00:46:25] I imagine that that's a little

[00:46:26] A-historical

[00:46:27] It might be who knows

[00:46:28] I mean

[00:46:29] Also if you could

[00:46:30] It would be full of people

[00:46:31] Who are looking over

[00:46:32] A lot of people would want to do that

[00:46:33] Right

[00:46:34] There were

[00:46:35] 3,000 people on the Titanic

[00:46:36] That's the place they're going to want to look

[00:46:37] It's the front

[00:46:38] Yeah it's so cool and exciting

[00:46:39] And like you wouldn't be able to have a

[00:46:40] Private moment and kiss somebody

[00:46:41] And fly

[00:46:42] Wait where's Jack's like

[00:46:43] Hey do you want to hear this

[00:46:44] The spot I hang out all the time

[00:46:45] It's the front of the ship

[00:46:46] This is like my favorite place

[00:46:47] Good to see you know what she said

[00:46:48] Real low key

[00:46:50] But actually great views honestly

[00:46:52] We should

[00:46:53] It's right around then

[00:46:54] That they do the

[00:46:55] I'm flying right

[00:46:56] When is that

[00:46:57] So after the

[00:46:58] So that's the first kiss

[00:46:59] I just watched this first

[00:47:00] No the first kiss doesn't come

[00:47:02] For a while

[00:47:03] So they

[00:47:04] So he gets mad at her

[00:47:05] Mom gets mad at her

[00:47:06] They have the church scene

[00:47:08] Oh yeah

[00:47:09] And they sing for those in peril

[00:47:11] On the sea which they really did sing

[00:47:13] On the

[00:47:14] We should know that like

[00:47:15] Despite some

[00:47:16] Supposed inconsistencies camera

[00:47:18] Was obsessed with period detail

[00:47:20] Like China is exactly

[00:47:22] The meal is what was served that night

[00:47:24] It's you know

[00:47:25] If you look at paintings

[00:47:26] Of like the grand staircase

[00:47:27] Like you know

[00:47:28] He's trying to get everything

[00:47:29] Exactly

[00:47:30] And you know the only change

[00:47:31] He made for the 3D

[00:47:32] Re-release in the blue right

[00:47:33] Well he added a third dimension

[00:47:35] Yes but I mean

[00:47:36] For the remastering right

[00:47:37] If the blue right

[00:47:38] There's one change in the way

[00:47:39] You know the Milky Way

[00:47:40] You change the constellations

[00:47:41] Because a fucking bummer town

[00:47:43] Nildegras Tyson was like

[00:47:44] Actually on that night

[00:47:45] The stars were like this

[00:47:46] Oh my god

[00:47:47] So he changed it

[00:47:48] That's the only thing

[00:47:49] He is like

[00:47:50] Keeping all the effects intact

[00:47:51] And apparently Katie was telling me

[00:47:53] RIP Katie

[00:47:54] No no we love you Katie

[00:47:55] She's still alive

[00:47:56] Yeah I know

[00:47:57] It was just your

[00:47:58] I feel bad the second I said it

[00:47:59] It was funny

[00:48:00] Negative 5.1

[00:48:01] But Katie was just telling me

[00:48:02] Before that on the commentary

[00:48:04] He rants about like

[00:48:05] Well apparently the stars are wrong

[00:48:07] I mean maybe I'll fix that

[00:48:08] But it's

[00:48:09] The commentary is attached to

[00:48:11] The fixed movie

[00:48:12] So you see him complaining

[00:48:13] About something

[00:48:14] In the background you can hear him

[00:48:15] Punching Nildegras Tyson in the face

[00:48:17] Under the table go

[00:48:18] Jim stop punching me

[00:48:19] Okay so

[00:48:20] Jack tries to go see her at church

[00:48:22] I don't know why

[00:48:23] Yeah that's actually a weird move

[00:48:25] And he's like

[00:48:26] But it's very much like

[00:48:27] The club thing of like

[00:48:28] I was here yesterday

[00:48:29] And they're like

[00:48:30] No you can't come anymore

[00:48:31] He gets his 20

[00:48:32] Love joy gives him the 20 then

[00:48:33] Yeah and then he corners her after

[00:48:36] In the gym

[00:48:37] Right he pulls her into the gym

[00:48:38] And is like

[00:48:39] Hey we should be together

[00:48:41] You're the most amazing girl I've ever met

[00:48:42] Which is like a weak line

[00:48:44] Like do better

[00:48:45] He also says you're no walk in the park

[00:48:47] Like first he nibs her a little bit

[00:48:49] Yeah yeah

[00:48:50] You can't know what I'm thinking

[00:48:51] Jack's being kind of a creep

[00:48:52] Pulling her into the gym

[00:48:53] Yeah

[00:48:54] I don't know man

[00:48:55] Yeah he

[00:48:56] You're right

[00:48:57] His pitch at that point

[00:48:58] I forgot that it happened

[00:48:59] And when I was watching

[00:49:00] And I was like this is kind of flat

[00:49:01] It's not a good pitch

[00:49:02] Because it's like

[00:49:03] I know how the world works

[00:49:05] I don't have anything to offer you

[00:49:06] But you're awesome

[00:49:07] But also you're not that awesome

[00:49:09] But maybe you could be awesome

[00:49:11] Yeah and

[00:49:12] You're a little Dawson

[00:49:13] Also maybe that spitting thing

[00:49:14] No

[00:49:15] Yeah I tell you how to spit

[00:49:17] Don't you owe me

[00:49:18] Yeah it's very weak

[00:49:19] Anyway she says no

[00:49:22] And they part ways

[00:49:24] I forget what changes her mind

[00:49:26] What changes her mind

[00:49:27] It's some interaction she has

[00:49:29] With the Richie pants

[00:49:30] I'd also forget

[00:49:31] I mean there are lots of shots of her

[00:49:33] Like where you see everybody else

[00:49:35] Talking around her

[00:49:36] And she just stays like

[00:49:37] You know mile long stare

[00:49:39] Or whatever

[00:49:40] I don't

[00:49:41] A thousand yards stare

[00:49:42] Sorry

[00:49:43] Yeah

[00:49:44] I'm trying to think of

[00:49:45] What

[00:49:46] I'm wracking my brain

[00:49:48] She just like

[00:49:49] Went and opened up an issue

[00:49:51] Of Tiger beat

[00:49:52] And saw Leon and Artichoke

[00:49:53] Every on the cover

[00:49:54] She was like alright

[00:49:55] He is kind of a big deal

[00:49:56] Right now

[00:49:57] He's kind of a big deal

[00:49:58] I don't know

[00:49:59] I don't want to look like a status play

[00:50:00] But

[00:50:01] So

[00:50:02] But then

[00:50:03] Then

[00:50:04] Whatever reason

[00:50:05] He's standing on the bow

[00:50:07] Again his favorite spot

[00:50:08] And she comes up

[00:50:09] And is like

[00:50:10] I changed my mind

[00:50:11] I'm gonna

[00:50:12] I don't know

[00:50:13] I'm reading the script right now

[00:50:14] Oh boy

[00:50:15] Oh my god

[00:50:16] That took forever David

[00:50:17] Okay so we should talk a little bit

[00:50:18] About I'm flying

[00:50:19] Jack I'm flying

[00:50:20] Because it is so

[00:50:21] It is one of the

[00:50:23] Legacy

[00:50:24] Yeah

[00:50:25] Scenes of this movie

[00:50:26] I

[00:50:27] I also feel like

[00:50:29] Like a part of why

[00:50:30] Oh no it's right

[00:50:31] I remembered it

[00:50:32] I'm glad I looked at the script

[00:50:33] And by the way

[00:50:34] I just put control f

[00:50:35] Gym

[00:50:36] There is a previous scene

[00:50:37] That they cut

[00:50:38] In which someone explains

[00:50:39] The gym and is like

[00:50:40] Here is the gym

[00:50:41] We have all the machines

[00:50:42] No she goes to lunch

[00:50:43] With her mother

[00:50:44] Her mother is like

[00:50:45] Blathering on about

[00:50:46] All the invitations

[00:50:47] We had to send them back

[00:50:48] And she sees

[00:50:49] The little girl

[00:50:50] Oh she sees the little girl

[00:50:51] Who's being made to sit up

[00:50:52] Right

[00:50:53] And like put her napkin

[00:50:54] In her lap properly

[00:50:55] And she like

[00:50:56] Gives her that

[00:50:57] That's the thousand year old stare

[00:50:58] Yeah

[00:50:59] And that's when it clicks

[00:51:00] For her and then she

[00:51:01] Also I watched

[00:51:03] It was in that scene

[00:51:04] And I wrote it down

[00:51:05] Because there is some kind

[00:51:07] Of crappy CGI

[00:51:09] In that scene

[00:51:10] In the background

[00:51:11] Interesting

[00:51:12] And I think you see it

[00:51:13] Throughout a little bit

[00:51:14] Sometimes they do these

[00:51:15] Sort of weird foggy looking

[00:51:16] Animations of people

[00:51:17] In the background

[00:51:18] Oh like walking

[00:51:19] In the background

[00:51:20] There's one in particular

[00:51:21] There's one moment

[00:51:22] That stands out to me

[00:51:23] But I'll get to that

[00:51:24] Yeah

[00:51:25] What I was going to say

[00:51:26] About the Jack and Flying moment

[00:51:27] Is like I think

[00:51:28] There was a bit of a struggle

[00:51:29] For me to like

[00:51:30] Accept this movie

[00:51:31] Because by the time

[00:51:32] I had seen it

[00:51:33] I had already like

[00:51:35] Digested most of the movie

[00:51:36] Throughout the samosas

[00:51:37] Like in pop culture

[00:51:38] Where like

[00:51:39] There were so many

[00:51:40] Different elements

[00:51:41] Of this film that were

[00:51:42] Parodied rather than

[00:51:43] Like a lot of famous movies

[00:51:44] It's like one scene

[00:51:45] Or one line

[00:51:46] Or one image

[00:51:47] And it was like

[00:51:48] Every part of this movie

[00:51:49] Became iconic

[00:51:50] And even like supporting

[00:51:51] Characters

[00:51:52] And I remember

[00:51:53] This sketch is just a parody

[00:51:54] Of the Bill Paxton stuff

[00:51:55] Right

[00:51:56] And this sketch is just a parody

[00:51:57] Of like the Flying moment

[00:51:58] Or whatever you know

[00:51:59] So like watching it

[00:52:00] For the first time

[00:52:01] Like eight years after

[00:52:02] It'd come out or whatever

[00:52:03] It was kind of like a checklist

[00:52:04] Of like okay there's that

[00:52:05] Thing I know

[00:52:06] There's that thing I know

[00:52:07] You're a little out of it

[00:52:08] Yeah and like

[00:52:09] When I watch it now

[00:52:10] And I've like

[00:52:11] You know come to

[00:52:12] Like be able to watch the movie

[00:52:14] For what it is

[00:52:15] None of that sticks out

[00:52:17] To me other than

[00:52:18] The Flying moment

[00:52:19] Like when I watched that

[00:52:20] Just because that moment

[00:52:21] Became such a visual

[00:52:22] Signifier

[00:52:23] And then everyone fucking

[00:52:24] Repeated it and everything

[00:52:25] For like five years

[00:52:26] It always takes me

[00:52:27] To have the movie

[00:52:28] To no fault of the movie's own

[00:52:30] Where I'm just like

[00:52:31] Oh here's that thing

[00:52:32] Here's that thing

[00:52:33] They gotta get to

[00:52:34] I'm not gonna do it

[00:52:35] Because we don't have enough time

[00:52:36] But I wish I could read you

[00:52:37] Cameron's like

[00:52:38] State directions

[00:52:39] Essentially for the Flying scene

[00:52:41] It is some goofy shit

[00:52:43] Can you read a little bit

[00:52:44] No a little bit

[00:52:45] But there is this

[00:52:46] Yeah

[00:52:47] Can we get one sentence

[00:52:48] I mean I do find it

[00:52:50] To be romantic

[00:52:51] I think so too

[00:52:52] I think it's a lovely scene

[00:52:53] I think it's very romantic

[00:52:54] Yeah

[00:52:55] It is silly as hell

[00:52:56] It's tough because it's been

[00:52:57] I like the dolphins

[00:52:58] I think the

[00:52:59] I think the only thing

[00:53:01] Is that she

[00:53:03] At this point in the movie

[00:53:04] She said Jack

[00:53:05] So many times

[00:53:07] Yeah

[00:53:08] She does say Jack all the time

[00:53:09] And then there's that

[00:53:10] I think Jezebel maybe did

[00:53:12] Like a countdown

[00:53:13] Of who says each other's name

[00:53:14] More

[00:53:15] In the movie

[00:53:16] And I think

[00:53:17] He actually says

[00:53:18] Rose more

[00:53:19] Because by the time

[00:53:20] All they're really doing

[00:53:21] Is barking each other's names

[00:53:22] Each other's names

[00:53:23] Alright here's the one little

[00:53:24] Line I'll read

[00:53:25] Jack and the ship seem to merge

[00:53:26] Into one force of power

[00:53:27] Of optimism

[00:53:28] Lifting her

[00:53:29] Booing her forward

[00:53:30] On a magical journey

[00:53:31] Soaring onward into the night

[00:53:33] Into a night without fear

[00:53:35] That actually sounds like

[00:53:36] Erotic fan fiction

[00:53:37] That sounds like

[00:53:38] Someone wrote that on the

[00:53:39] She's kissing the ship

[00:53:40] Yeah

[00:53:41] Is Jack fucking a portal

[00:53:42] What's going on here

[00:53:43] We should know

[00:53:44] That is when

[00:53:45] You have that dissolve

[00:53:46] Merging

[00:53:47] You have the dissolve

[00:53:48] Of it back to the wreck

[00:53:49] And you do cut back to

[00:53:50] Gloria Stewart

[00:53:51] And that's the first time

[00:53:52] Since the beginning

[00:53:53] I think so

[00:53:54] There might have been

[00:53:55] One cut in the road

[00:53:56] But that's what feels

[00:53:57] Like the halfway point also

[00:53:58] Right because she says

[00:53:59] That's the last night

[00:54:00] That's the last time

[00:54:01] Titanic's all summer

[00:54:02] So maybe that's

[00:54:03] Where we should end

[00:54:04] Part two of our

[00:54:05] Titanic

[00:54:06] Three-parter

[00:54:07] So at that point

[00:54:11] What, okay so they go back

[00:54:13] Pretty quickly she's like

[00:54:14] Yo paint me without my

[00:54:15] Clothes on

[00:54:16] Yeah

[00:54:17] Because they're at dinner

[00:54:18] You have to pop me like

[00:54:19] One of your cast girl

[00:54:20] No, no they're not at dinner

[00:54:22] No I'm saying like

[00:54:23] The others are at dinner

[00:54:24] They're not at dinner

[00:54:25] Oh right

[00:54:26] This is the other thing

[00:54:27] I know this is the time

[00:54:28] It's very true

[00:54:29] I think very important

[00:54:30] Okay

[00:54:31] Jack and Rose

[00:54:32] Skip dinner

[00:54:33] Okay Ben's walked into the room

[00:54:35] And he

[00:54:36] Okay

[00:54:40] Okay

[00:54:41] Ben has walked into the room

[00:54:42] He's put on headphones

[00:54:43] Before saying anything

[00:54:44] He handed me a

[00:54:47] Drunk of me naked wearing

[00:54:49] The heart of the ocean

[00:54:51] This is supposed to be me or you

[00:54:52] That's you

[00:54:53] Yeah that's what I thought

[00:54:54] The glasses are a little round

[00:54:55] But other than that

[00:54:56] I think the likeness is really

[00:54:57] So we'll post this online

[00:55:01] It's pretty good

[00:55:02] But this is

[00:55:03] They're attaching a detail in the hand

[00:55:04] Look at his use of color

[00:55:05] I'll say this

[00:55:09] Shadow work too is really on point

[00:55:11] I'll say this

[00:55:12] And I'm a little embarrassed to admit this

[00:55:13] He got his

[00:55:14] My chest hair almost exactly right

[00:55:16] Wow

[00:55:17] Because it's like just six isolated strands

[00:55:20] Why do your eyes look like

[00:55:21] Bug alien eyes

[00:55:22] Well because I'm trying to look

[00:55:23] Like a French girl

[00:55:24] I'm trying to give the alluring

[00:55:25] Kind of calm hither

[00:55:26] You know

[00:55:27] You're so

[00:55:28] You're so kitty too

[00:55:29] I want to get

[00:55:30] The life spirit

[00:55:31] Yeah it's the moment right before

[00:55:32] Jack says like relax your face

[00:55:33] Yeah

[00:55:34] He's catching me at my least

[00:55:35] Relax

[00:55:36] I'm stressed out

[00:55:37] I'm like oh fuck it

[00:55:38] I want to get back to Emily's point

[00:55:40] Because it is very true

[00:55:41] They do not eat dinner

[00:55:42] They don't eat dinner

[00:55:43] Okay but can I

[00:55:44] This happens and also

[00:55:45] At this point

[00:55:46] I'm going to get three points of bad

[00:55:47] Go on

[00:55:48] Okay great

[00:55:49] At this point

[00:55:50] Because it is the last night

[00:55:52] Of the Titanic

[00:55:53] You can start to count down

[00:55:54] Hours pretty like

[00:55:56] Sure

[00:55:57] Like realistically

[00:55:58] And so it's like

[00:55:59] Oh how do they have time

[00:56:00] To do all this stuff

[00:56:01] Before they hit the iceberg

[00:56:02] Well they didn't go to dinner

[00:56:03] They skipped out on that

[00:56:05] And they skipped out

[00:56:06] On all that important nourishment

[00:56:07] So I was going to say

[00:56:08] Can you imagine

[00:56:09] Running around that ship

[00:56:10] On an empty stomach

[00:56:11] Running around later on

[00:56:12] An empty stomach

[00:56:13] They like are trudging through water

[00:56:14] They're climbing up the ship

[00:56:15] Like they must be so hungry

[00:56:16] AXing handcuffs

[00:56:17] Wouldn't it be

[00:56:18] Yeah

[00:56:19] It's like the thing

[00:56:20] You know the famous thing

[00:56:21] About the cook who survived

[00:56:23] Even though he went into the water

[00:56:24] Because he was drunk

[00:56:26] So he was like warmed up

[00:56:28] He was warmed up

[00:56:29] And he was

[00:56:30] Is he supposed to be the guy

[00:56:31] Who's at the top of the ship

[00:56:32] With them at the end

[00:56:33] Who kind of looks like

[00:56:34] Chef Boyardee

[00:56:35] Yeah

[00:56:36] Yeah

[00:56:37] He's and so that was like

[00:56:38] The I don't know if it's

[00:56:39] That much of an urban legend

[00:56:40] Or if it's real

[00:56:41] But that was supposed to be

[00:56:42] Like

[00:56:43] I'm looking at the final meal

[00:56:44] Of the ship

[00:56:45] Okay

[00:56:46] You had two soups

[00:56:47] Like nice

[00:56:48] A beef soup

[00:56:49] Yeah

[00:56:50] And a

[00:56:52] A barley cream

[00:56:54] Cream of barley soup

[00:56:55] Yeah

[00:56:56] A cold asparagus salad

[00:56:59] God

[00:57:00] All the food looks so bad

[00:57:01] Filet mignon

[00:57:02] Okay

[00:57:03] With chicken

[00:57:04] What?

[00:57:05] Where?

[00:57:06] In relation to the flag

[00:57:07] What's on the

[00:57:08] Next to

[00:57:10] So it's like a turf and turf

[00:57:12] Yeah

[00:57:13] I guess so

[00:57:14] And then

[00:57:15] Lamb with mint sauce

[00:57:16] Or duck with apple sauce

[00:57:18] Three meats

[00:57:19] Yeah

[00:57:20] Or sirloin of beef with red wine

[00:57:21] Get the fuck out of here

[00:57:23] And then some kind of

[00:57:25] Punch

[00:57:26] Oh it looks like a sherbet or something

[00:57:27] Yeah

[00:57:28] This was a palate cleanser

[00:57:29] Then roasted squab

[00:57:32] What?

[00:57:33] Then poached salmon

[00:57:34] Then paté

[00:57:35] Which you would

[00:57:36] Kind of think earlier

[00:57:37] But I guess back then they did

[00:57:38] And then something called

[00:57:39] Waldorf pudding

[00:57:40] Which is raisins and apples

[00:57:42] That's so much stuff

[00:57:43] I would have just gone back to my room

[00:57:44] Eating a cliff bar

[00:57:45] Even second class had a decent dinner

[00:57:48] Okay

[00:57:49] So they missed out on all that

[00:57:50] And I think that's very key

[00:57:53] That also is like

[00:57:54] Why they had so much time

[00:57:55] Why everybody was distracted

[00:57:57] That's why they have time to

[00:57:58] Propose a nude sketch

[00:58:00] Do the nude sketch

[00:58:01] Have sex in their car

[00:58:02] Like do all this stuff

[00:58:03] Right

[00:58:04] And they had about one

[00:58:05] Meals worth of sex

[00:58:06] I would say

[00:58:07] I was trying to time it

[00:58:08] When I was watching at this time

[00:58:09] They desert themselves so hard

[00:58:11] Yeah, that's dessert included I think

[00:58:13] Yeah

[00:58:14] Yeah, sure, go ahead

[00:58:15] So anyway

[00:58:16] That's my theory

[00:58:17] That's my new observation

[00:58:19] Oh good

[00:58:20] Well I am always kind of conscious

[00:58:21] Of like in movies when people don't

[00:58:23] Do a lot of stuff

[00:58:24] Absolutely

[00:58:25] Or like how Jack never went to the bathroom

[00:58:26] On 24 and it started to get

[00:58:28] Like kind of alarming

[00:58:30] She's really constantly doing it

[00:58:33] You take some odium

[00:58:34] At the beginning of every day

[00:58:36] I just want to point out

[00:58:37] Ben walked into this room

[00:58:38] Handed me the picture

[00:58:39] Put on headphones

[00:58:40] And then grabbed Katie Rich's book

[00:58:41] And just read through it

[00:58:43] For like five minutes

[00:58:44] What was interesting

[00:58:45] Are you going to stick with us Ben

[00:58:46] Are our levels good?

[00:58:47] Everything's good

[00:58:48] I just wanted to give the drawing

[00:58:50] Of course

[00:58:51] And then I'll come back

[00:58:52] Because I have stuff to talk about

[00:58:53] When it comes to the band

[00:58:55] Okay

[00:58:56] So Ben's leaving

[00:58:57] We're a little head

[00:58:58] Anyway that's just a fun thing

[00:58:59] You sound a little drunk Ben

[00:59:01] I'm getting sick

[00:59:04] That is it

[00:59:05] Wow

[00:59:06] Alright

[00:59:07] So let's talk about the drawing scene

[00:59:09] Right

[00:59:10] I want you to draw me

[00:59:11] Like one of your French girls

[00:59:12] I can't remember if I asked you this

[00:59:13] On the podcast

[00:59:14] Or off the podcast

[00:59:15] But is this the last

[00:59:17] PG-13 movie to have

[00:59:19] Boops in it?

[00:59:20] Yeah

[00:59:21] I have no idea

[00:59:22] Oh something's got to give

[00:59:23] There's, it's a time limit

[00:59:24] Oh yeah

[00:59:25] Something's got to give

[00:59:27] You can like show

[00:59:28] Like three seconds

[00:59:29] Or whatever

[00:59:30] It has to be non-Iranic

[00:59:31] It's considered brief nudity

[00:59:32] Yeah it can

[00:59:33] You can like have like

[00:59:34] A flash

[00:59:35] But you can't have like

[00:59:36] Nudity in sex

[00:59:37] Right

[00:59:38] It has to be a non-Iranic context

[00:59:39] And also it's interesting that

[00:59:40] Like most of

[00:59:41] The shots of her naked

[00:59:43] You only can see one out of the two boobs

[00:59:45] Which I wonder if that was some kind of thing

[00:59:47] With the way it's framed

[00:59:48] It's like partial, brief nudity

[00:59:50] Instead of

[00:59:51] Yeah instead of anything that could be called

[00:59:54] Partial frontal

[00:59:55] I don't know

[00:59:56] I remember like

[00:59:57] Like amongst the boys in my grade at the time

[01:00:00] That made this movie a big deal

[01:00:01] Cause it was like

[01:00:02] It's the PG-13 movie

[01:00:03] Where you can see one boob

[01:00:05] This was certainly the first film I saw in a cinema

[01:00:07] With nudity in it

[01:00:08] I can't

[01:00:09] I can't think of it

[01:00:10] Right

[01:00:11] I don't know if this is true for you guys

[01:00:12] Fifth element

[01:00:13] Oh yeah but I didn't see that in theater

[01:00:14] Oh okay

[01:00:16] Something that's got to give us

[01:00:17] The only one I can think of

[01:00:19] When you Google this

[01:00:21] Mostly it's a

[01:00:23] Fearful parents trying to make sure

[01:00:24] Their kids don't see boobs

[01:00:26] I mean who

[01:00:27] Who could imagine

[01:00:28] Yeah

[01:00:29] Anyway

[01:00:30] But what do we think of

[01:00:31] The drawing scene guys

[01:00:33] Fairly iconic scene

[01:00:35] I like the way the score drops out

[01:00:37] And it becomes the piano

[01:00:38] I want to say

[01:00:39] I think that it is pretty progressive

[01:00:41] On the part of Jimmy C

[01:00:43] To do a

[01:00:47] I think, well no wait

[01:00:48] Yeah Terminator was R

[01:00:49] Yeah

[01:00:50] Oh yeah

[01:00:51] This is I believe his first

[01:00:52] Is True Lies of PG-13?

[01:00:54] I want to say that's R

[01:00:55] But maybe I'm wrong about that

[01:00:56] I think nowadays

[01:00:57] You would have a movie like

[01:00:58] Terminator 2

[01:01:00] Or first Terminator

[01:01:01] That was very action oriented

[01:01:03] Lots of violence

[01:01:04] No it was an R

[01:01:05] And that would be the thing

[01:01:06] That you could sneak into PG-13

[01:01:08] But something like Titanic

[01:01:10] That has a sex scene

[01:01:11] And it has a nude scene

[01:01:12] And everything

[01:01:13] That would be the thing

[01:01:14] That got bumped to R

[01:01:15] I think it's good

[01:01:16] And interesting

[01:01:17] That the thing

[01:01:18] That maybe

[01:01:19] Like I don't know

[01:01:20] It's just like

[01:01:21] Demonizing violence over sex

[01:01:23] Right he did the opposite

[01:01:24] He did the

[01:01:25] Maybe correct progressive

[01:01:26] Which I think is good

[01:01:27] Yeah

[01:01:28] According to

[01:01:29] What I'm reading

[01:01:30] There are some of the later movies

[01:01:31] To have had breasts in them

[01:01:33] Supernova

[01:01:34] With Robin Tony

[01:01:35] Okay

[01:01:36] And Across the Universe

[01:01:37] Has some nudity

[01:01:38] Oh yeah

[01:01:39] Those are PG-13s

[01:01:40] Yeah

[01:01:41] That's also similar

[01:01:42] Where you only see one boob

[01:01:43] Another movie

[01:01:44] Which I remember seeing

[01:01:45] With nudity

[01:01:46] The fifth element is a good one

[01:01:47] Is also

[01:01:49] Nell

[01:01:50] Which also has kind of

[01:01:51] Non-sexual nudity

[01:01:52] Yeah

[01:01:53] Yeah I'll tell you

[01:01:54] Someone's got to give one

[01:01:55] Always kind of like bum me out

[01:01:56] Because it felt like

[01:01:57] They gave it a PG-137

[01:01:58] R because she was old

[01:01:59] Like it always felt like

[01:02:00] The kind of implication was like

[01:02:01] Oh sure that it was like

[01:02:02] Non-threatening nudity

[01:02:03] It's non-sexual

[01:02:04] Because she's an older lady

[01:02:05] I get you

[01:02:06] Cause that seems like a little more

[01:02:07] Like prolonged and pronounced

[01:02:09] But it's again

[01:02:10] It's a goofy scene

[01:02:11] It's brief and they cut

[01:02:12] Yeah and she goes

[01:02:13] Oh okay

[01:02:14] Yeah so I don't know

[01:02:15] Did this scene have a huge impact

[01:02:16] On people?

[01:02:17] I almost feel like it's

[01:02:18] Yeah okay

[01:02:19] Yeah

[01:02:20] Oh definitely

[01:02:21] Hi sorry

[01:02:22] My lips are super traffic

[01:02:23] That's understandable

[01:02:24] Cause I definitely

[01:02:25] I guess I was

[01:02:26] I don't remember coming out

[01:02:27] Of there being

[01:02:28] High five moments

[01:02:29] Number one

[01:02:30] Like make a drawing

[01:02:31] Yeah

[01:02:32] Well it was

[01:02:33] It was a thing that was

[01:02:34] I mean I remember very clearly

[01:02:36] There was an article in like

[01:02:38] The newspaper

[01:02:39] The local newspaper

[01:02:40] The newspaper

[01:02:41] Wow

[01:02:42] The newspaper

[01:02:43] And that was about like

[01:02:45] Oh it's like

[01:02:46] Titanic is very popular among

[01:02:48] Tweets but is it too

[01:02:49] Ronshy for them

[01:02:50] Sure sure

[01:02:51] And so there was like

[01:02:52] This cartoon of like

[01:02:53] It was like

[01:02:54] I remember it was like

[01:02:55] Leonardo DiCaprio

[01:02:56] With the bar of soap

[01:02:57] And it was like bubbling

[01:02:58] And then like

[01:02:59] And then like Kate Winslet

[01:03:00] Like like

[01:03:01] But like the clouds of smoke

[01:03:03] From the smoke stacks

[01:03:04] Of the Titanic

[01:03:05] Were like covering her

[01:03:06] Sure

[01:03:07] And it was like

[01:03:08] Oh this is the Ronshy

[01:03:09] New movie all the kids

[01:03:10] Are into

[01:03:11] And it was like

[01:03:12] Okay I mean

[01:03:13] It was for sure

[01:03:14] The first time I ever

[01:03:15] Saw nudity

[01:03:16] I think so

[01:03:17] For sure

[01:03:18] I don't even think

[01:03:19] In like a home rental

[01:03:20] Or whatever

[01:03:21] I'd seen nudity

[01:03:22] But

[01:03:23] I'd seen rated R movies

[01:03:24] But not ones with

[01:03:25] Nudity

[01:03:26] The first was Shakespeare

[01:03:27] I loved the following year

[01:03:28] Sure

[01:03:29] And I remember that being

[01:03:30] A big deal where it was

[01:03:31] Like oh my god

[01:03:32] I'm gonna get to see

[01:03:33] A movie with nudity

[01:03:34] Because it's about Shakespeare

[01:03:35] Right

[01:03:36] That felt like a clue

[01:03:37] And that's the movie

[01:03:38] That is kind of ridiculous

[01:03:39] Because

[01:03:40] That it's rated R

[01:03:41] It's only rated R

[01:03:42] Because you see

[01:03:43] Yeah

[01:03:44] Because of the nudity

[01:03:45] There's no real swearing

[01:03:46] Or anything else in the movie

[01:03:47] That's particularly objectionable

[01:03:48] It's in like

[01:03:49] A prelude to a sex scene

[01:03:50] It's like the scene

[01:03:51] Of them undressing

[01:03:52] But there's not

[01:03:53] Actually seeing them

[01:03:54] Having sex

[01:03:55] I've not seen it since that day

[01:03:56] I don't think

[01:03:57] Yeah

[01:03:58] Because she's unbinding

[01:03:59] I remember that

[01:04:00] I remember the unbinding

[01:04:01] You see her naked more

[01:04:02] I remember the unbinding

[01:04:03] And then I remember

[01:04:04] Her waking up in bed next to him

[01:04:06] No, but in between

[01:04:07] You cut to Emelda Staunton

[01:04:08] Sitting outside, remember?

[01:04:09] Oh yeah

[01:04:10] She's all freaked out

[01:04:11] Because she's like

[01:04:12] Oh this isn't good

[01:04:13] Yeah

[01:04:14] Anyway

[01:04:15] Titanic

[01:04:16] Oh right, Titanic

[01:04:17] Titanic

[01:04:18] Podcastic

[01:04:19] So she's

[01:04:20] I mean

[01:04:21] I also wish you'd note

[01:04:22] The movie's one F-bomb

[01:04:23] Is spoken by Beardo

[01:04:24] Right

[01:04:25] Which I like it

[01:04:26] It's like a total throwaway

[01:04:27] He's got the

[01:04:28] You know, the thing in his

[01:04:29] Fucking hands

[01:04:30] I'm sorry

[01:04:31] His hands

[01:04:32] This is totally just

[01:04:33] What we just did with Charlie

[01:04:34] But he's mad at Ismay

[01:04:35] For wanting to go fast

[01:04:36] That's what he said

[01:04:37] That is good

[01:04:38] I mean

[01:04:39] I give Jim two comedy points

[01:04:40] For the drawing scene

[01:04:41] And then it cuts back

[01:04:42] To everyone

[01:04:43] Like it fades from

[01:04:44] Her eyes

[01:04:45] It's a great cut back

[01:04:46] To old Gloria Foster's eyes

[01:04:47] Yeah, you morph her eye

[01:04:48] Into wrinkle eye

[01:04:49] Oh yeah

[01:04:50] It's not just a fade too

[01:04:51] It's like an actual

[01:04:52] Charm

[01:04:53] And then it cuts to all of them

[01:04:54] On the edge of their seats

[01:04:55] And they're just like this

[01:04:56] You know, they've got their

[01:04:57] Chains in their palms

[01:04:58] And then they're like so

[01:04:59] I mean

[01:05:00] She's like no

[01:05:02] He was a gentleman

[01:05:03] Jack was a perfect gentleman

[01:05:04] Always

[01:05:05] And then we went into a car

[01:05:06] And we fucked

[01:05:07] So hard that it steamed up

[01:05:08] The window

[01:05:09] We went five decks down

[01:05:11] Into the cargo area

[01:05:12] Which must have been freezing

[01:05:14] Yeah

[01:05:15] I was thinking about that

[01:05:16] So maybe that's where

[01:05:17] All the steam comes from

[01:05:18] Maybe that's why the steam

[01:05:19] Comes from

[01:05:20] Because even just a relative

[01:05:21] Of the car

[01:05:22] Even if it wasn't cold

[01:05:23] Oh and they cut inside

[01:05:24] They're so sweaty too

[01:05:25] Emily

[01:05:26] I just said that

[01:05:27] With such definitive

[01:05:28] We're just going to move right through that

[01:05:30] Um

[01:05:31] No, I want to talk about the car

[01:05:33] That's my other thing

[01:05:34] I've been texting really annoyingly

[01:05:36] To David

[01:05:37] That's crazy

[01:05:38] I love texting with Emily

[01:05:39] My good pal

[01:05:40] Um

[01:05:41] I think

[01:05:42] Maybe

[01:05:44] Cameron is trying to infer

[01:05:46] That they are the first teens

[01:05:48] To have sex in a car

[01:05:49] Fuck in a car

[01:05:50] I mean how old is that?

[01:05:51] Great American tradition

[01:05:52] Love that

[01:05:53] I mean like

[01:05:54] When is the car invented

[01:05:55] Like eight years earlier?

[01:05:56] Yeah

[01:05:58] They were still figuring out

[01:05:59] Things you could do in it

[01:06:00] Yup

[01:06:01] I mean

[01:06:02] It's like the first time

[01:06:03] Both of them probably ever came

[01:06:04] Four years

[01:06:05] And contacted with the car

[01:06:06] I think she wrote in on a car

[01:06:07] That's true

[01:06:08] But

[01:06:09] When would she have had

[01:06:10] An opportunity

[01:06:11] To bang in a car

[01:06:12] She's a seventeen year old

[01:06:13] You know

[01:06:14] Woman of high berth

[01:06:15] When you're in doubt

[01:06:16] She has

[01:06:17] This is actually

[01:06:18] This is a great point

[01:06:19] That like

[01:06:20] Having sex in cars culture

[01:06:22] Becomes a thing

[01:06:23] When teenagers are allowed

[01:06:24] To drive by themselves

[01:06:25] It's like the rebel

[01:06:26] Without a cause

[01:06:27] These days

[01:06:28] Whether you have your own car

[01:06:29] You're able to take out

[01:06:30] Your parents' car

[01:06:31] Back then

[01:06:32] Like a car with such a prime

[01:06:33] Piece of property

[01:06:34] And like a guy needed

[01:06:35] To walk in front of it

[01:06:36] With a flag or whatever

[01:06:37] Like it was like completely

[01:06:38] Yeah

[01:06:39] Right

[01:06:40] Like even if your parents

[01:06:41] Had a car

[01:06:42] You couldn't be like

[01:06:43] Hey can I take it out

[01:06:44] For a quick spin

[01:06:45] We have to roll the mayor

[01:06:46] We have to tell them

[01:06:47] You're gonna take it out

[01:06:48] On the car

[01:06:49] Because the car is real

[01:06:50] That's a real thing

[01:06:51] There's one car on board

[01:06:52] You can go into the car

[01:06:53] And turn on the lights

[01:06:54] In Titanic adventure out of time

[01:06:56] That's pretty cool

[01:06:57] And it's also real

[01:06:58] It's real that when they found

[01:06:59] The car on the bottom

[01:07:00] Of the ocean

[01:07:01] It was filled with cum

[01:07:02] Everyone

[01:07:03] F***ed the car

[01:07:04] Griffin

[01:07:05] Griffin it's not good

[01:07:06] Even though motion

[01:07:07] Couldn't wipe out the cum

[01:07:08] I want to say

[01:07:09] Just to talk right over that

[01:07:10] I like

[01:07:11] The cumiest car

[01:07:12] I like that he shows you

[01:07:13] The car being loaded on

[01:07:15] At the beginning of the movie

[01:07:16] You see it on the crane

[01:07:17] I know you're trying to think about it

[01:07:18] And then they cut to a guy going

[01:07:19] Ah I should have hoped no cum

[01:07:21] Guessing that car

[01:07:22] Alright alright

[01:07:23] Adjust upholstery

[01:07:24] Well

[01:07:25] Again I should say

[01:07:26] Emily really started this all off

[01:07:28] By talking about roses STDs

[01:07:30] Thank you

[01:07:31] I wasn't the dirty boy for once

[01:07:33] But once I wasn't a little stinker

[01:07:35] Now I will say

[01:07:36] When I was a teenager

[01:07:37] I was someone who was fairly

[01:07:39] Unabashedly into the movie

[01:07:40] Even though it was very uncool

[01:07:42] For me to be into the movie

[01:07:43] Certainly among

[01:07:44] Most of the people I knew

[01:07:45] Certainly among the boys

[01:07:46] I knew I guess

[01:07:47] Not to be binary about this

[01:07:48] But you know

[01:07:49] Teenagers are often binary

[01:07:50] Without even

[01:07:51] Yeah

[01:07:52] Now McDonald's boys get

[01:07:53] Hot wheels and girls get barbies

[01:07:54] Sure

[01:07:55] That's what McDonald's were

[01:07:56] Even I could not

[01:07:57] McDonald's goes so goes the nation

[01:07:59] Right Griffin

[01:08:00] Even I at like age 14

[01:08:01] Could not take it on board

[01:08:03] The sex scene

[01:08:04] I thought it was so stupid

[01:08:06] Like and I didn't even know

[01:08:07] What was supposed to happen in there

[01:08:09] Yeah

[01:08:10] But like the shot of her

[01:08:11] Putting her hand up on the glass

[01:08:12] It's really silly

[01:08:13] I was like wait

[01:08:14] What are the logistics

[01:08:15] Why would she put her hand up on the glass

[01:08:17] Like I'm

[01:08:18] It's so dramatic

[01:08:19] No

[01:08:20] It's so dramatic

[01:08:21] And then when they cut inside

[01:08:22] They're both sweating so much

[01:08:23] They're just like

[01:08:24] They're covered

[01:08:25] It's closed

[01:08:26] I know

[01:08:27] It's closed

[01:08:28] There's no AC

[01:08:29] And also

[01:08:30] There's no AC and also

[01:08:31] That is leather

[01:08:32] You know that's a warm

[01:08:33] Maybe crack a window

[01:08:34] I'm telling you

[01:08:35] He gets really damp in this movie

[01:08:37] It's damp

[01:08:38] When he starts getting wet

[01:08:39] Is that see

[01:08:40] It would just be funny

[01:08:41] If then

[01:08:42] We saw Kate Winslet

[01:08:43] Like getting up and we

[01:08:44] She like lifted from the leather

[01:08:48] Yeah

[01:08:49] I think that was

[01:08:50] Widely parodied

[01:08:51] Right

[01:08:52] That was very widely parodied

[01:08:53] And it was

[01:08:54] Yeah

[01:08:55] Also but also just like

[01:08:56] I mean the thing that I do like

[01:08:57] Is sort of realistic about

[01:08:59] Is just

[01:09:00] Put your hands on me Jack

[01:09:02] Oh yeah

[01:09:03] And you know what he does

[01:09:04] He grabs the stove

[01:09:05] He goes straight for the stove

[01:09:06] And she's fucking

[01:09:07] 17 years old

[01:09:08] What else is she supposed to do

[01:09:09] Of course

[01:09:10] That's actually

[01:09:11] It's a well-observed moment

[01:09:13] She basically takes his hand

[01:09:14] And puts it on her boob

[01:09:15] Yeah

[01:09:16] Like yeah

[01:09:17] Yeah

[01:09:18] Come on Jack

[01:09:19] Here

[01:09:20] On the boob

[01:09:21] This word that I meant

[01:09:22] Don't touch my nose

[01:09:23] You literally drew this in charcoal

[01:09:24] Come on Jack

[01:09:25] Why are you rubbing my ear

[01:09:26] Hand on boob please

[01:09:28] I do think it's interesting

[01:09:29] That like

[01:09:30] The hand on the window

[01:09:32] Moment

[01:09:33] Is sort of like

[01:09:34] A reappropriation

[01:09:35] Of like

[01:09:36] A classic horror iconography

[01:09:38] Yeah

[01:09:39] That's shot as like

[01:09:40] The victim trying to get out

[01:09:41] Of the blood on the hand

[01:09:42] Cause it even has the like

[01:09:43] Sort of smearing

[01:09:44] Of the fog on the window

[01:09:45] Well the funny thing is

[01:09:46] Like it actually serves a plot purpose

[01:09:48] Because that's what

[01:09:49] The guy is searching for them then

[01:09:50] See

[01:09:51] They see the imprint

[01:09:52] Which is why I think he did it

[01:09:53] But it also is like

[01:09:54] I think there's sort of

[01:09:55] Because that is so coded in our minds

[01:09:57] Of like that's the last thing

[01:09:58] The victim does when they're trying

[01:09:59] To get out is

[01:10:00] You see the hand running across

[01:10:01] The thing

[01:10:02] Then they'd be looking

[01:10:03] For him for murder

[01:10:04] Right

[01:10:05] Well you know

[01:10:06] But I also think

[01:10:07] When the actual imprint

[01:10:08] Is made we as the audience

[01:10:09] Like go like

[01:10:10] It's like

[01:10:11] We've never seen that handprint

[01:10:12] Had it be a good thing

[01:10:13] Like oh

[01:10:14] Looks like some killer sex

[01:10:15] Going on there

[01:10:16] Or like someone's dying

[01:10:17] Alright

[01:10:18] Alright

[01:10:19] But what

[01:10:20] You don't want to talk about sex more

[01:10:21] That's how my problem is

[01:10:22] More like

[01:10:23] We gotta go

[01:10:24] To the sinking of this ship

[01:10:25] We gotta get to the iceberg

[01:10:26] Iceberg

[01:10:27] So it happens right after this

[01:10:28] This is the scene

[01:10:29] They come out on the deck

[01:10:30] They're canodaling

[01:10:31] And then these

[01:10:32] Foolhardy guys

[01:10:33] They're very cute

[01:10:34] I like those guys

[01:10:35] Yeah they're like

[01:10:36] Oh check it out

[01:10:37] It's kissing

[01:10:38] Hey check it out

[01:10:39] And then they're like

[01:10:41] He's like

[01:10:42] They sure look warmer than us

[01:10:43] And he's like

[01:10:44] Well that's what it takes to be warm

[01:10:45] Like no homo over here

[01:10:46] I'm in the crow's nest

[01:10:48] Yeah

[01:10:49] And then just like that

[01:10:50] James Cameron's like

[01:10:51] This is why you should

[01:10:52] Be homophobic

[01:10:53] That's the lesson

[01:10:55] If these guys were

[01:10:56] A little more progressive

[01:10:58] Oh my god

[01:10:59] They want to see that iceberg

[01:11:00] They spent 15 minutes

[01:11:01] Explaining that they weren't gay

[01:11:02] And they missed the iceberg

[01:11:03] That's my theory Emily

[01:11:04] You think it's a reflection

[01:11:05] Of the sky

[01:11:06] I think it's the patriot

[01:11:08] I think it's the patriarchy

[01:11:09] And hetero-normative behavior

[01:11:11] Alright

[01:11:12] This is my favorite sequence

[01:11:13] In the movie

[01:11:14] They hit the iceberg

[01:11:15] Which is

[01:11:16] The whole way he communicates

[01:11:17] And it's kind of what Katie

[01:11:18] Wanted us to talk about

[01:11:19] That way where it's like

[01:11:21] They see the iceberg

[01:11:22] They ring

[01:11:23] You cut down to the

[01:11:24] To the deck

[01:11:25] Where

[01:11:26] I believe you mentioned it

[01:11:27] Off mic

[01:11:28] Or did you mention it on

[01:11:29] Where he goes like

[01:11:30] Hello

[01:11:31] Hi spark right here

[01:11:32] Thank you

[01:11:33] It's great

[01:11:34] Protocol

[01:11:35] And then so that

[01:11:36] You know they go to full

[01:11:37] And you cut down to the

[01:11:38] Turbine room

[01:11:39] And you see that guy go to full

[01:11:40] And start like moving this shit

[01:11:41] Then you cut down to the coal room

[01:11:42] See them like putting the coal

[01:11:43] Back in and then you go back up

[01:11:44] See the turbines moving

[01:11:45] It's so perfect

[01:11:46] Here's the thing

[01:11:47] All this stuff could have been

[01:11:48] Boring even if it was

[01:11:49] Shot really excitingly

[01:11:50] Except at this point

[01:11:51] We've spent some time on the ship

[01:11:52] And we don't want it to sink

[01:11:53] I hope I hope I want to know

[01:11:54] Every single way

[01:11:55] We've seen the coal room

[01:11:56] We've seen the turbine room

[01:11:57] That's a beautiful touch

[01:11:58] When they run through the

[01:11:59] Coal room

[01:12:00] And it's like you're not

[01:12:01] Supposed to be down here

[01:12:02] When they're just trying to

[01:12:03] Get away and then

[01:12:04] You know what it's like

[01:12:05] At the time it just feels like

[01:12:06] Oh here's another little slice

[01:12:07] Of the thing

[01:12:08] But later you're going to

[01:12:09] Need to know the coal room

[01:12:10] You're going to need to

[01:12:11] Understand the layout of it

[01:12:12] I think especially to

[01:12:13] A modern audience

[01:12:14] The idea that the

[01:12:15] The only way the fucking

[01:12:16] Shipwork was that you had

[01:12:17] All these people in the

[01:12:18] Bowels just shoveling

[01:12:19] Coal 24 hours a day

[01:12:21] Which is crazy

[01:12:22] They were well paid

[01:12:23] But they would kill themselves

[01:12:25] All the time apparently

[01:12:26] It was the look

[01:12:27] It was a horrible job

[01:12:28] But then I just love

[01:12:29] That and then I mean

[01:12:30] The fact that he was

[01:12:31] Going to be like

[01:12:32] He's like

[01:12:33] I just love that

[01:12:34] And then I mean

[01:12:35] The fact that he built

[01:12:36] That real turbine room

[01:12:37] And I assumed like

[01:12:38] Some of it is

[01:12:39] Embellished with CGI

[01:12:40] But the sight of the

[01:12:41] Turbines like

[01:12:42] Shuddering to a halt

[01:12:43] And then going backwards

[01:12:44] Just the idea

[01:12:45] Of he really wants you

[01:12:46] To understand how

[01:12:47] They tried to avoid

[01:12:48] The guys

[01:12:49] Yeah and that's like

[01:12:50] You know this was the most

[01:12:51] Expensive movie ever made

[01:12:52] At that point in time

[01:12:53] And a lot of it was

[01:12:54] The sets and how big

[01:12:55] The sets were

[01:12:56] And there's some digital

[01:12:57] Trickery in terms of

[01:12:58] Expanding them a little

[01:12:59] Bit

[01:13:00] Victor Gromber

[01:13:01] Demanded 40 million

[01:13:02] He was the first mocap

[01:13:03] Performance

[01:13:04] Yeah totally a hologram

[01:13:05] Right

[01:13:06] Which is they just

[01:13:07] Figured out David Moore

[01:13:08] Says it was right after

[01:13:09] Context

[01:13:10] I'm not returning to that bit

[01:13:11] I'm returning to that bit

[01:13:12] We have to return to Titanic

[01:13:13] But

[01:13:14] And you know

[01:13:15] There's some digital stitching

[01:13:16] Together of like

[01:13:17] Oh here are two sets

[01:13:18] That we're going to make

[01:13:19] Scene listen to one thing

[01:13:20] You know in a shot

[01:13:21] And combine them

[01:13:22] Whatever

[01:13:23] But Cameron has often said

[01:13:24] Like today if he made

[01:13:25] The movie

[01:13:26] He wouldn't have built

[01:13:27] That much of the ship

[01:13:28] He would have made it

[01:13:29] Digitally

[01:13:30] And it's just like

[01:13:31] Unbelievable

[01:13:32] That's what's so incredible

[01:13:33] I mean we'll get to it

[01:13:34] But the boat breaking

[01:13:35] It's a real boat

[01:13:36] He built the real thing

[01:13:37] They broke it

[01:13:38] It's crazy

[01:13:39] And it counts because

[01:13:40] The two hours leading up

[01:13:41] To that you're like

[01:13:42] God this set's unbelievable

[01:13:43] Right

[01:13:44] So that when the boat breaks

[01:13:45] You feel as bad about the set

[01:13:46] Like oh it's also pretty

[01:13:47] Right

[01:13:48] It's like you just built this stuff

[01:13:50] It's the paint

[01:13:51] You can still smell the fresh paint

[01:13:52] Oh my god

[01:13:53] All this china

[01:13:54] You had an art grip

[01:13:55] An art PA

[01:13:56] Had to go out and buy all the china

[01:13:57] Yeah

[01:13:58] Sorry

[01:13:59] Fucked up I said art grip

[01:14:00] I'm gonna get the PA first

[01:14:01] Mangled

[01:14:02] So the boat starts sinking

[01:14:05] It's just bad news

[01:14:06] It just sucks

[01:14:07] It's just so good

[01:14:08] This part of the movie

[01:14:09] Most visceral, muscular

[01:14:10] I know it's hacky

[01:14:11] Disaster filmmaking

[01:14:12] Yeah

[01:14:13] I know it's hacky to say

[01:14:14] That the last hour is the best hour

[01:14:15] Titanic

[01:14:16] And of course it wouldn't be

[01:14:17] Like you guys point out

[01:14:18] If they hadn't built up

[01:14:19] The geography of the boat

[01:14:21] And like

[01:14:22] The emotional stakes of everyone

[01:14:23] On the boat

[01:14:24] Yeah

[01:14:25] But I mean don't you guys

[01:14:26] Like it

[01:14:27] Oh yeah

[01:14:28] Well I mean

[01:14:29] That weird foreboding thing

[01:14:30] Where it's like

[01:14:31] Oh the first class people

[01:14:32] Like oh I guess they're making us

[01:14:33] Put it on our lifejacket

[01:14:34] Oh I love that

[01:14:35] And meanwhile downstairs

[01:14:36] There's panic

[01:14:37] And total chaos

[01:14:38] The rats are running out

[01:14:39] Yeah yeah

[01:14:40] Well and this is

[01:14:41] You know it is very harrowing

[01:14:42] I mean this whole section of the movie

[01:14:43] Because it's about when sort of

[01:14:44] Like civility goes out the window

[01:14:46] And you know these sort of

[01:14:48] Like all structures are still there

[01:14:49] But it's all the cost of survival

[01:14:50] Well also yeah

[01:14:51] The idea that the water

[01:14:52] Literally takes the steerage first though

[01:14:53] Is such a clear metaphor

[01:14:55] For what he's saying

[01:14:56] This is a movie that's metaphors

[01:14:57] Are very broad and very clear

[01:14:58] But that doesn't mean they're any less like

[01:15:00] I don't think you're supposed to say the word steerage anymore

[01:15:02] Oh wow sorry

[01:15:04] Am I

[01:15:05] You're supposed to say steerage American

[01:15:07] But they say steerage so much time in this

[01:15:10] So many times in this movie

[01:15:11] Yeah it's like

[01:15:12] It's like cause it was

[01:15:13] It's meant to be derogatory

[01:15:15] Really?

[01:15:16] Yeah

[01:15:17] Well because you're like a cow

[01:15:18] Yeah

[01:15:19] Right I just figured out what steerage means

[01:15:20] That's why Rose's mom is like

[01:15:21] Oh how are the accommodations in steerage

[01:15:23] Yeah she's

[01:15:24] Look she's not being very nice

[01:15:25] She says that

[01:15:26] I was just gonna say this is like the section of the movie

[01:15:29] Where really like the chips are down and you see how

[01:15:31] Like ruthless people can be to each other

[01:15:34] You know if you remove like the

[01:15:36] Context of like polite society and all of that

[01:15:38] Amongst classes

[01:15:39] And it's like harrowing

[01:15:41] And there's one clip I asked Ben to pull

[01:15:43] That for me like encapsulates like

[01:15:45] How scary this movie gets

[01:15:46] And sort of like a moral horror movie

[01:15:49] So Ben could you play that clip

[01:15:51] Ow

[01:15:52] Ow

[01:16:02] Someone said lock the gate

[01:16:03] I just sank my ship

[01:16:05] Wait somebody said lock the gate

[01:16:07] You could hear it I heard it

[01:16:09] I didn't hear it

[01:16:10] Is that the bit you were setting up?

[01:16:11] Pow

[01:16:13] So who are your ships growing up

[01:16:15] What were you the Queen Victoria or what were you

[01:16:19] QE2

[01:16:20] I used to work the door at the QE2

[01:16:26] Great job thank you

[01:16:27] I did a lot of setup on that bit

[01:16:28] Ben I had to go through

[01:16:29] Find the clip

[01:16:31] Ear market convert it

[01:16:32] That was fantastic

[01:16:33] Pow

[01:16:34] A lot of gates being locked

[01:16:36] We should note

[01:16:37] And a lot of drama in the last chunk of this movie

[01:16:39] Stems from trying to unlock the gate

[01:16:41] Which is hard

[01:16:42] Which is hard to do

[01:16:43] Much harder than locking the gates

[01:16:45] You need a lot of guys

[01:16:48] Lock the gates

[01:16:52] It is amazing how many action scenes

[01:16:55] He gets out of a boat sinking

[01:16:57] Because the movie is just like

[01:16:59] Now it's just small set piece after small set piece

[01:17:01] Like going around the ship

[01:17:03] Like diamond cut

[01:17:05] I'm trying to think of something

[01:17:07] Even just trying to

[01:17:08] When she goes to find Jack

[01:17:09] And she has to chop him out of his handcuffs

[01:17:12] That is in its own

[01:17:14] That's just a weird piece of cringy tension

[01:17:16] Good, small scale little intimate

[01:17:18] Like struggle and then it also sets them back

[01:17:20] On the clock so now they have

[01:17:22] They're up against

[01:17:23] But it has that brilliant detail

[01:17:25] Of him being like

[01:17:27] Take a practice swing and she hits it

[01:17:28] So take another one

[01:17:29] She's way off

[01:17:30] And he's like

[01:17:31] Alright let's do it

[01:17:32] Hit the same spot and she misses

[01:17:34] Yeah, and there is that magic of like

[01:17:36] Even though I remember in the theater

[01:17:37] Still to this day

[01:17:38] I remember being kind of tense about that scene

[01:17:40] You know obviously you know

[01:17:41] She's not going to hack his arm off

[01:17:43] That would be kind of amazing though

[01:17:44] I mean because she could still like get out

[01:17:46] She just like buried it in his shoulder

[01:17:48] That scene is always the one

[01:17:49] That makes me the most tense while watching

[01:17:51] That was an anxious scene

[01:17:53] So contained like

[01:17:54] Yeah

[01:17:55] And love joy is such a dick

[01:17:56] I love him sitting at the table

[01:17:57] And rolling the bullet down

[01:17:58] And being like

[01:17:59] You know I think his ship's going to sink

[01:18:01] See you later

[01:18:02] Punch

[01:18:03] Yeah

[01:18:04] Yeah I mean I just can't stop

[01:18:06] Thinking through the entire last hour

[01:18:08] About how cold the water is

[01:18:10] That is the thing

[01:18:11] That is like the unspoken thing

[01:18:12] Running throughout it

[01:18:13] That makes it tense

[01:18:14] It's because you're just like

[01:18:15] Oh it would feel like knives

[01:18:16] Right and there is

[01:18:17] That one great moment where

[01:18:18] Because Jack hasn't been in the water yet

[01:18:20] Because he's been handcuffed

[01:18:21] And then she frees him

[01:18:22] And he gets in and he immediately goes

[01:18:23] Jesus that's cold Jesus

[01:18:25] Which is great

[01:18:26] They also like the film shifts to like

[01:18:28] A very blue color palette

[01:18:29] After being like gold for most of the movie

[01:18:31] And Kate Winslet's skin shifts to a very blue color palette

[01:18:34] We should mention that Jim Cameron beat the shit out of her

[01:18:37] With this movie

[01:18:38] I mean like she was almost drowned

[01:18:39] Like she almost got hypothermia

[01:18:41] All those shots of her being like

[01:18:42] Swept along hallways

[01:18:44] Like by the water

[01:18:45] The chasing in the

[01:18:46] When it's flooding in the hallway

[01:18:48] And it's up to like a foot from the sea

[01:18:50] That is like my nightmare

[01:18:51] That's bad

[01:18:52] Yeah

[01:18:53] Can I say something really creepy?

[01:18:54] No

[01:18:55] And every time I watch this movie

[01:18:56] I have the same thought

[01:18:57] And I'm like oh fuck

[01:18:59] What?

[01:19:00] My crush on Kate Winslet grows

[01:19:02] The more hypothermic she gets in this movie

[01:19:04] That's bizarre

[01:19:05] It's very strange

[01:19:06] That is weird right?

[01:19:07] Yes

[01:19:08] Like the more like cold and pale

[01:19:10] Well I mean the more she looks like

[01:19:12] She's in like a nine inch nails music video

[01:19:14] That's my type

[01:19:15] It's very 90s purple

[01:19:16] It is very 90s

[01:19:17] She does get more 90s and got

[01:19:19] Yeah

[01:19:20] And sort of way fish and yeah

[01:19:22] Yeah

[01:19:23] Okay well good for you

[01:19:24] Well we have that out of the way

[01:19:25] That's now on the record

[01:19:28] Ben is storming around

[01:19:30] Oh he's walking back in

[01:19:31] Okay Ben

[01:19:33] Walks in with a sigh

[01:19:34] Immediately

[01:19:35] Like a hunchback

[01:19:36] A happy sigh

[01:19:37] What do you want to talk about Benny here?

[01:19:40] We'll talk about the band

[01:19:41] Okay talk about the band

[01:19:42] I'm at that part

[01:19:43] And I want to just add my two cents

[01:19:45] So I love the band

[01:19:46] The band is the only thing

[01:19:47] That makes me cry now

[01:19:48] Really

[01:19:49] Really works for me too

[01:19:50] So do you not like the band?

[01:19:51] I

[01:19:52] That was like the thing

[01:19:53] I was always like

[01:19:54] I would get caught up thinking about it

[01:19:55] I was a band kid

[01:19:56] Right

[01:19:57] And I was like

[01:19:58] What was your instrument?

[01:19:59] It's a quartet

[01:20:00] It's not a band

[01:20:01] Well how

[01:20:02] A string quartet

[01:20:03] You guys have a real rivalry

[01:20:05] On a macro level

[01:20:06] It's a violinist

[01:20:08] It's a cellist

[01:20:10] And it's a cellist

[01:20:11] It's a string quartet

[01:20:12] It's a string quartet

[01:20:13] Two violinists of you

[01:20:14] I'm sure

[01:20:15] Was there not a first horn?

[01:20:16] No

[01:20:17] What was your instrument?

[01:20:18] How is he so horrible

[01:20:19] He's like

[01:20:20] You're crying for your life

[01:20:21] And then this French horn

[01:20:22] There's more in full French horn

[01:20:23] Pierces through the night air

[01:20:25] It was just one guy with a tuba

[01:20:27] Who just goes straight to the bottom

[01:20:30] Alright

[01:20:31] What was your band?

[01:20:32] I want to know what your instrument was

[01:20:33] Trumpet

[01:20:34] Of course

[01:20:35] Alright so you were obsessed with the quartet

[01:20:37] Well I just

[01:20:39] I would always feel like

[01:20:40] Play songs that they were

[01:20:41] Supposedly spying on the night

[01:20:42] I get the captain going down

[01:20:43] With the ship

[01:20:44] I get the poor people

[01:20:45] Sinking with the ship

[01:20:46] Yeah sure

[01:20:47] All that ship makes sense to me

[01:20:49] Right

[01:20:50] If you're in the fucking bands

[01:20:51] Alright

[01:20:52] Like

[01:20:53] You don't get paid that much

[01:20:54] Yeah

[01:20:55] Like alright sure

[01:20:56] You're the captain

[01:20:57] Second in charge

[01:20:58] You're a fucking

[01:20:59] Second or fourth chair

[01:21:01] Violin player

[01:21:02] You're telling me to be like

[01:21:03] Well

[01:21:04] I love music

[01:21:05] And I'm gonna die

[01:21:06] In a cold grave

[01:21:07] Fuck that shit

[01:21:08] And the worst part is

[01:21:09] They had just signed a record deal

[01:21:10] When they got back to America

[01:21:12] They had a 15 album deal

[01:21:14] They did

[01:21:15] Interscope

[01:21:16] That is true

[01:21:18] It's a record

[01:21:19] I broke the

[01:21:20] I broke the momentum of this

[01:21:22] So we're in an hour and 20 minutes

[01:21:24] But I will say

[01:21:26] I mean I'm glad you brought it up

[01:21:27] Even though we're little ahead of it

[01:21:29] But I will say

[01:21:31] The line

[01:21:32] Good shade good shade

[01:21:33] Yeah

[01:21:34] Emily and Ben are punching each other

[01:21:36] I feel like Emily and Ben had

[01:21:37] An awkward interaction

[01:21:38] In speed racers

[01:21:39] Well I like the rival

[01:21:40] What really

[01:21:41] I think so I can't remember

[01:21:42] No

[01:21:43] Maybe not

[01:21:44] I don't know

[01:21:45] I can't talk on the mic

[01:21:46] Oh because every time I'm here

[01:21:48] There's four people here

[01:21:49] We've never actually

[01:21:50] No no you were the only

[01:21:51] On podcast reawakens

[01:21:53] Podcast reawakens

[01:21:54] I'm gonna do this

[01:21:55] Maybe because I get to pick a movie

[01:21:57] Do you want to be my guest

[01:21:58] I never get to bring a guest

[01:22:00] Yeah sure

[01:22:01] You're inviting Emily to be

[01:22:02] On the next Ben's choice

[01:22:03] It's a good call

[01:22:04] I want to know

[01:22:05] I actually am looking forward to this

[01:22:06] Because I'm pretty sure whatever

[01:22:07] You pick is a movie I haven't seen

[01:22:08] So I'll have to watch it

[01:22:09] For the first time

[01:22:10] Because I had not seen

[01:22:11] Fletch and I hadn't seen

[01:22:12] What was the other one

[01:22:13] Intersy H2 dark territory

[01:22:14] Yes I hadn't seen that

[01:22:16] But if you do the man who knew too little

[01:22:18] I do know that movie

[01:22:19] Oh hell yeah

[01:22:20] I would definitely watch it

[01:22:21] So for the listener at home

[01:22:22] It seems like the potential fight

[01:22:24] Is dissipated

[01:22:25] Bruiser Yashida is rolling

[01:22:27] Her sleeves back down

[01:22:28] Ben has removed his brass knuckles

[01:22:31] It seems the fight has been

[01:22:32] Put off for one more

[01:22:33] Emily wait

[01:22:34] But I wanted to say

[01:22:35] That I think the thing that makes me

[01:22:37] Like at least misty in that scene

[01:22:39] Is just the

[01:22:40] Like whatever he says

[01:22:41] The violinist

[01:22:43] The gentleman it's been a pleasure

[01:22:45] Like oh man

[01:22:47] That's like life

[01:22:49] That's great

[01:22:50] I think that's great

[01:22:51] And then of course they play

[01:22:52] Nearer of my God to the

[01:22:53] And you get the montage

[01:22:54] Of all the victims

[01:22:55] Oh and they all come back

[01:22:56] They're about to split up

[01:22:57] I would have been like

[01:22:58] Gentleman's been a pleasure

[01:22:59] Drop violin

[01:23:00] Jump into lifeboat

[01:23:02] To lifeboat

[01:23:03] Well no the thing is

[01:23:04] They're all walking away

[01:23:05] And then he starts to play by himself

[01:23:07] Oh this is the other thing

[01:23:08] This gets me in anything

[01:23:10] When somebody starts playing

[01:23:11] Something musically

[01:23:12] And then other people walk up

[01:23:13] And start joining in

[01:23:15] That no matter the context

[01:23:16] Almost always gets me

[01:23:19] In my heart

[01:23:20] The end of a battle boy

[01:23:21] My heart bustle

[01:23:22] When Hugh Grant comes on stage

[01:23:23] And please kill them softly

[01:23:24] When Nicholas Holtz a good scene

[01:23:25] Oh I don't even remember that

[01:23:27] I was thinking of that

[01:23:28] So the interesting

[01:23:29] The interesting

[01:23:30] Sorry

[01:23:31] No it's fine

[01:23:32] Apology accepted

[01:23:33] I'm just bruising with my

[01:23:35] Oh god she just punched me

[01:23:37] This is a really good drawing though

[01:23:38] It's a really good drawing

[01:23:39] Post I mean we shouldn't talk about

[01:23:40] Too much because

[01:23:41] The listeners at home can't see it right now

[01:23:43] Ben's looking at it and shaking his head

[01:23:45] Dispilly

[01:23:46] So there are many little vignettes

[01:23:47] And scenes as the movie is

[01:23:50] As the ship is filling up with water

[01:23:53] Beside the main conflict

[01:23:55] Of Kate and Leo trying to get up

[01:23:58] I'm sorry guys

[01:23:59] Ben get out of here

[01:24:00] Get out of here

[01:24:01] Ben Scarlet would laugh there

[01:24:03] He's really proud of his drawing

[01:24:05] I look like a real goofus

[01:24:07] A naked goofus

[01:24:09] You gotta put this online

[01:24:10] I think it should go there

[01:24:12] In a frame

[01:24:16] I also want to talk about

[01:24:18] The Cult of the Heart of the Ocean

[01:24:19] Also by the end of it

[01:24:21] So save it

[01:24:22] Just bookmark that

[01:24:24] The thing that probably hits me the hardest

[01:24:26] Is the Jen Goldstein telling the bedtime story

[01:24:28] To her kids

[01:24:29] It's a very small moment

[01:24:30] But it's the kind of thing that triggers me

[01:24:31] Which is just like

[01:24:32] The deep dig

[01:24:33] If you actually commit your mind to it

[01:24:35] Of like

[01:24:36] Oh she's trying to keep her kids calm

[01:24:38] And put them to sleep one last time

[01:24:39] And they're never gonna wake up

[01:24:40] They're gonna drown in their sleep

[01:24:41] Yeah that's horrifying

[01:24:42] Yeah that's soft

[01:24:43] That seems great

[01:24:44] And Jen Goldstein kills it

[01:24:45] Also the two old people hugging themselves

[01:24:47] As they go down

[01:24:48] That's a real

[01:24:50] Just bring it out of you

[01:24:52] Is it Dora and Eidatras

[01:24:53] Eidatras house

[01:24:54] Yeah of Macy's

[01:24:55] Of Macy's

[01:24:56] I think they really elevates this movie for me

[01:24:58] And how he handles this last chunk

[01:24:59] Is like

[01:25:00] Aside from all the sad shit like that

[01:25:02] He also does a lot of

[01:25:04] Having to stare

[01:25:06] Like straight into the terror of death shit

[01:25:08] Where it's like

[01:25:10] I mean Eidatras is a recurring thing

[01:25:12] He keeps on doing what I love

[01:25:13] Which is like

[01:25:14] While you're so invested in just like

[01:25:16] Jack and Rose

[01:25:17] And are they gonna survive

[01:25:20] And you know

[01:25:21] What are you gesturing towards

[01:25:23] On the internet

[01:25:24] You can see

[01:25:25] Archives of every lifeboat

[01:25:27] And who was on them

[01:25:28] It's crazy

[01:25:29] No I was just gonna say that like

[01:25:31] You're so invested in Jack and Rose

[01:25:33] Making it

[01:25:34] And you're like focusing just on their survival

[01:25:37] And then he'll keep on cutting to

[01:25:39] Rose make direct eye contact

[01:25:41] With another person right before they die

[01:25:43] Oh yeah

[01:25:44] So you're just like

[01:25:45] We know the movie is focusing on these two

[01:25:46] But all of these people are dying

[01:25:47] Not just like the faint figures in the background

[01:25:50] No he's good at making you feel

[01:25:51] All the little like things and weird

[01:25:53] Yeah I mean

[01:25:54] And then of course like

[01:25:55] Fabrizio

[01:25:56] Yes

[01:25:57] Gets eats it when they

[01:25:59] Lookin' what's it called

[01:26:00] Smoke stack thingy

[01:26:01] Yeah

[01:26:02] Lands on him

[01:26:03] And Tommy gets shot by Murdoch

[01:26:04] Who's your wife

[01:26:05] Yes

[01:26:06] That moment I love where

[01:26:07] Secondary characters start to die

[01:26:09] It's like the save the cat moment

[01:26:10] Which is like

[01:26:11] Oh this guy's the hero

[01:26:12] They're running through the halls

[01:26:13] They see the little boy

[01:26:14] He's crying to take him with them

[01:26:15] Oh that's great

[01:26:16] Yeah yeah yeah

[01:26:17] And then the father comes

[01:26:18] And he's like what the fuck are you doing

[01:26:19] Steal my kid but in a towel

[01:26:20] Multiple interactions right

[01:26:21] With people who don't speak English

[01:26:22] And who sort of just yell randomly

[01:26:24] At the moment in the town

[01:26:25] And Russian

[01:26:26] They were trying to do the right thing

[01:26:27] They don't have time to explain themselves

[01:26:28] Because now the door's breaking

[01:26:29] And then he runs in the wrong direction

[01:26:30] And they're like

[01:26:31] Don't go there and he just fucking

[01:26:32] They get flooded

[01:26:33] They just have to keep on

[01:26:34] Seeing all these horrific things around them

[01:26:36] And I think that is another thing that makes

[01:26:38] Rose, both grown Rose

[01:26:41] Or old Rose

[01:26:42] And Rosa we know

[01:26:43] More of a characters

[01:26:45] That we see things through her

[01:26:46] I would say that we are seeing all that

[01:26:48] Through her perspective

[01:26:49] I would totally agree

[01:26:50] The movie is never really through Jack's perspective

[01:26:52] The movie's always on Rose

[01:26:53] Yeah

[01:26:54] And so she is not just a person who falls in love

[01:26:56] Or feels things

[01:26:57] She's a person who sees things

[01:26:58] Yes

[01:26:59] And is an observer of the world

[01:27:00] And that makes her

[01:27:01] So much more of an interesting person to fall in

[01:27:03] And it is that pattern

[01:27:04] He doesn't ever do it with Jack

[01:27:05] It's close up of Rose's face

[01:27:07] You see her looking off to something

[01:27:09] Cut to someone else's face in close up

[01:27:11] Here's a new victim we haven't seen before

[01:27:13] She's an empathy sponge, yeah

[01:27:14] And then they fall out of frame

[01:27:15] They cut to her

[01:27:16] Very quickly having to process that

[01:27:18] And her interactions with Andrews

[01:27:19] Who's great

[01:27:20] Oh my god

[01:27:21] We quoted him at the beginning

[01:27:22] That line he says

[01:27:23] That scene though

[01:27:24] When the whole lounge is sideways

[01:27:26] Is sideways

[01:27:27] Oh my god

[01:27:28] But also before when he sees her on the staircase

[01:27:30] And he's like

[01:27:31] The ship's really going down

[01:27:32] Like, this is it

[01:27:33] Remember that conversation we had about the lifeboat?

[01:27:35] She noticed earlier in the film

[01:27:37] Not enough people

[01:27:38] She takes count

[01:27:39] And he kinda takes a liking to her

[01:27:40] I can't believe I haven't talked about Andrews more

[01:27:42] Because he's a very character

[01:27:43] But he kinda takes a liking to her

[01:27:45] Because he notices that she's sort of

[01:27:47] Of a similar mind to him

[01:27:48] A detail oriented sort of humanist mind

[01:27:51] And you can tell that he's already

[01:27:53] Like every time anything suggests

[01:27:54] I mean the way he talks about

[01:27:55] The weight of like

[01:27:57] They said that the deck would be too cluttered

[01:27:59] With too many lifeboats

[01:28:00] Like he knew that wasn't a good idea

[01:28:01] idea. When Ismail is pushing to make the boat faster so they can get their headline, get

[01:28:09] there early. All this shit he's just like, this is bad news.

[01:28:12] Right. Well, Victor Gargoyle comes into this movie and you feel like there's already been

[01:28:16] a movie before this about the tortured ship architect who's been ground down by all of

[01:28:24] these opposing forces and has to make the ship that he doesn't really believe in but

[01:28:28] is still going to bring him all this like fame and stuff and now he's on the fricking

[01:28:32] ship and it's like, I'm glad you guys are so excited.

[01:28:35] Right. And he sells that scene.

[01:28:37] Right, where she's like, not enough life post. He's like, yeah actually, you know I thought

[01:28:41] we should have a few more but they said we'll clutter the deck.

[01:28:43] Yeah.

[01:28:44] And like he just seems pleasant about it but he's very good at playing that in

[01:28:47] her like kind of screams.

[01:28:48] Like so much stuff has happened before that.

[01:28:51] And the other moment is and he doesn't-

[01:28:52] And then when he cracks of course it is man says she's made of iron shirt and

[01:28:56] he doesn't tip his hat too heavily in terms of like foreshadowing with those scenes in

[01:28:59] his line readings which are just like, you know filled with so much pathos without ever

[01:29:02] feeling manipulative.

[01:29:03] Yeah.

[01:29:04] But it also is I love this thing that he takes this kind of like shine to her in

[01:29:08] that moment because it's like you fucking notice.

[01:29:10] So then later he's like, I'm going to give you the hot tip like the ship's going

[01:29:13] down because she says I can see it.

[01:29:15] I can see it in the people running and I can see it in your eyes.

[01:29:17] Tell me what's actually happening.

[01:29:19] And he's like, you got an hour tops.

[01:29:20] Yeah.

[01:29:21] Like you remember a conversation about the life boat?

[01:29:22] No, I know.

[01:29:23] Get a fucking life jacket.

[01:29:24] Get out of here.

[01:29:25] And then the scene, the shot of him changing the clock.

[01:29:27] Oh, turning back time.

[01:29:29] I love that.

[01:29:30] But it also it's such an interesting story choice because it's like Rose has

[01:29:34] more information than any other passenger.

[01:29:36] Yeah.

[01:29:37] So everything she's doing, the decision to jump off the boat, all of this

[01:29:40] like she knows better than anyone else who isn't working on the ship.

[01:29:44] And even most of the people who aren't working on the ship.

[01:29:46] No, no, you're right.

[01:29:47] It becomes a very active set of choices.

[01:29:50] I love this movie.

[01:29:51] Priorities are established within her mind.

[01:29:53] But yeah, she jumps.

[01:29:54] You jump by a jump jack.

[01:29:55] She jumps off the life boat.

[01:29:56] A little annoying rose.

[01:29:57] Come on.

[01:29:58] Yeah.

[01:29:59] Cal tries to make the fucking deal with all the money and get on the boat.

[01:30:01] And he has an arrangement with Murdock.

[01:30:03] Right.

[01:30:04] And then, you know, he's like, well, go Rose.

[01:30:08] We have a separate arrangement.

[01:30:09] Jack and I will get on that.

[01:30:10] And then there's like, you're a good liar.

[01:30:11] Almost as good as you.

[01:30:12] That I like that conversation where it's like, oh, fuck.

[01:30:15] No, I like that moment.

[01:30:16] Yeah.

[01:30:17] Where he hates them.

[01:30:18] Yeah.

[01:30:19] And they left him the nude painting.

[01:30:20] Like they've really rubbed it in his face.

[01:30:21] Yeah.

[01:30:22] And he and Jack still have that sort of cordial moment where they're trying to rescue her.

[01:30:26] They got one thing in common, which is they both like this lady, you know?

[01:30:29] So there's like this one moment of bonding.

[01:30:31] But then right, then she jumps off and then he flips out and starts shooting at them.

[01:30:35] Right.

[01:30:36] Yeah.

[01:30:37] Right.

[01:30:38] And that's when he put the coat on her.

[01:30:39] Yes.

[01:30:40] Put the coat on the girl.

[01:30:41] I put the diamond in the jacket.

[01:30:44] I put the diamond in the coat.

[01:30:45] I put the coat on her.

[01:30:46] Lovejoy doesn't care.

[01:30:47] That's what I love about lovejoy.

[01:30:48] He's laughing.

[01:30:49] Zane's laughing.

[01:30:50] Zane.

[01:30:51] I also like that moment when they don't get on the boat, Murdoch's boat, the first time.

[01:30:58] And instead he goes after Rose again and lovejoy is like, fuck, where this is it.

[01:31:02] We're doomed.

[01:31:03] Because then when he comes back later, he's like what about the money?

[01:31:04] And he's like your money can't help me.

[01:31:06] It matters even less.

[01:31:08] Fuck money.

[01:31:10] The one moment I sort of alluded to earlier where the special effects that don't hold

[01:31:15] up for me is there's one shot.

[01:31:17] I think it's after the father and the kid get knocked out by the water through the door

[01:31:23] and Jack and Rose are running away.

[01:31:25] And it's a slow motion run.

[01:31:27] Yeah.

[01:31:28] And their faces are clearly CGI'd onto doubles bodies.

[01:31:32] Oh really?

[01:31:33] Yeah, their faces look like weird CGI.

[01:31:34] They look like jib jab masks.

[01:31:36] It's like the body is animated as one thing and then there's just like the face

[01:31:39] that doesn't really move on top of it.

[01:31:41] It's an art.

[01:31:42] I think they do the strobe lights to sort of hide it.

[01:31:45] But it looks very weird if you watch it in high def.

[01:31:49] I remember thinking it looked that weird.

[01:31:52] But anyway, I'll say when I saw it, I mean I think maybe now I look out for it more

[01:31:56] because of this.

[01:31:57] But when I saw it in theaters in 3D, it stood out so much that the entire audience

[01:32:01] laughed.

[01:32:02] So now I think I know.

[01:32:03] I think they were also laughing because that scene is in slow motion

[01:32:06] and thus is kind of dorky with the strobe lights going off as well.

[01:32:09] But the entire audience in unison went, oh shawty CGI.

[01:32:13] I love when they're in the boat, when they're in the bowels of the boat,

[01:32:17] especially the noises the ship makes.

[01:32:19] The cranks.

[01:32:20] The groanings, yeah.

[01:32:21] The sound work.

[01:32:22] That is one of those very, very deserved sounds.

[01:32:25] Sound Oscars.

[01:32:26] Absolutely.

[01:32:27] And I remember they did that year at the Oscars.

[01:32:29] He's communicating to you this thing's going to break.

[01:32:31] And that's why when it breaks you get it.

[01:32:33] That year the Oscar Chris Rock presented the sound categories and he was like,

[01:32:36] here's why sound's important.

[01:32:38] This is what the scene would be like with the wrong sound.

[01:32:40] And it was when the ship is going straight up and people are falling off.

[01:32:44] And they played that clip and the sound was someone going like,

[01:32:46] ah no!

[01:32:47] It hurts!

[01:32:48] Stuff like that.

[01:32:49] Which I saw that before I ever saw the movie so now I keep on imagining those voices.

[01:32:52] There's that brutal fucking moment.

[01:32:53] I think that was the moment where he overlapped this.

[01:32:56] Where the guy falls off, he's holding on to the smokestack,

[01:32:58] he falls off and hits the fan.

[01:33:00] It's like, I mean imagine, okay, so you're like holding on,

[01:33:04] then you hit something.

[01:33:05] We get it.

[01:33:06] Broken bones.

[01:33:07] Then you're in the water, freezing cold.

[01:33:09] The ship breaks around.

[01:33:10] It's bad.

[01:33:11] A lot of bad death.

[01:33:13] The ship breaks?

[01:33:15] Yeah, ship breaks.

[01:33:17] Like makes a big wave.

[01:33:19] Yeah the ass goes up in the air.

[01:33:20] At this point the movie just becomes like a ride.

[01:33:23] It becomes a good ride.

[01:33:25] Except all the people jumping off.

[01:33:27] Jack seems…

[01:33:28] Yeah, the people jumping off it which is very, very scary.

[01:33:30] And then the sight of the boat…

[01:33:31] Well and it has also aged more.

[01:33:33] Strangely, yes.

[01:33:34] But that shot of the boat going into the water with all the people in the water already is really alarming.

[01:33:41] But then I do, I mean, Joanna said this when we were watching, she was like,

[01:33:44] Jack seems to know exactly the best way to survive.

[01:33:47] He's like, we've got to get right to the front!

[01:33:49] Don't worry, I've been on a bunch of Titanic before. I know how this works.

[01:33:53] And they somehow make it right to the top.

[01:33:55] But then that sound is the scariest to me when they make it to the top.

[01:33:59] All the music is cut out, the ship is gone and all you hear is people screaming.

[01:34:03] Yeah.

[01:34:04] Which is horrifying.

[01:34:05] It is, you're right.

[01:34:06] And I mean this is I think why, especially seeing in a theater when I was a teen, not even 11 years old,

[01:34:11] it was so overwhelming and fantastic.

[01:34:14] And I loved it.

[01:34:15] Yeah, and we get like there are two amazing lifeboat moments.

[01:34:18] There's the Francis Fisher shot where you see her.

[01:34:20] So many amazing lifeboat moments.

[01:34:21] But there's a speechless moment where you see her looking and watching all the people jumping out of the boat and dying

[01:34:26] and she gets it for the first time.

[01:34:27] She gets humanity for the first time.

[01:34:29] Yeah, that's true and she sells it.

[01:34:31] She sells it.

[01:34:32] And then Molly freaks out at them later for not knowing.

[01:34:34] Though your men out there.

[01:34:35] Yeah.

[01:34:36] Which is a great line as corny as it sounds.

[01:34:39] And we've already like up until that point, like I mean you know there's this running thing with Cameron that he hates like corporations.

[01:34:45] You know he hates companies and all of this and these like large.

[01:34:48] Cyber Nines!

[01:34:49] These institutions that dehumanize people and view them as a mass and don't think about the individual and all of that right?

[01:34:54] And you have the bit of that where it's like they're just not fucking like prepped for this

[01:34:58] and they don't know what they're doing.

[01:34:59] And like getting the when fucking Victor Garber grabs the guy and is like why do you send those lifeboats out there?

[01:35:06] They're like half full.

[01:35:07] I thought they might buckle.

[01:35:08] There was a concern about the weight.

[01:35:11] And he's like lower class is dying out there.

[01:35:13] Like you're not even fucking locked the gates on them.

[01:35:15] Mark Maron's call.

[01:35:16] He doesn't say any of this.

[01:35:18] Mark Maron is sending a telegram to them but they don't get it.

[01:35:21] Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding.

[01:35:23] Who are you guys?

[01:35:24] Ten comedy points back.

[01:35:27] I still can't even hear them say lock the gates.

[01:35:30] Lock the gates.

[01:35:31] Oh my god.

[01:35:32] So I mean so but Molly does stage like the kind of mutiny on lifeboat and she gets all the ladies to go back and...

[01:35:40] If you don't shut that hole in your face.

[01:35:43] That's what the guy says to her.

[01:35:44] No one stands with it.

[01:35:45] Everyone just wants to survive.

[01:35:46] Cause don't you have husbands your men are on that ship.

[01:35:49] They're in their water right now.

[01:35:50] Everyone just stays quiet.

[01:35:52] Yeah, I mean she's not been popular to that point.

[01:35:55] New money.

[01:35:56] They didn't like that story about putting the money in the stove and then him lighting a fire.

[01:36:00] Right.

[01:36:01] I found a charm in it.

[01:36:02] So then Jack and Rose are just hanging out and he puts her on the door which is very controversial.

[01:36:09] Yeah, I was gonna say is this maybe the most mocked part of Titanic?

[01:36:13] The icicles and I'll never let you go after the flying.

[01:36:16] Dissected, argued.

[01:36:17] Not mocked as much as just like it's pulled apart.

[01:36:19] Well also he's very bad in this scene I would say.

[01:36:23] Yeah he is.

[01:36:24] He's very bad in it.

[01:36:25] I agree with that.

[01:36:26] I think the movie had probably completely ground them down at this point as well.

[01:36:30] Yeah, I mean when you said that thing about like how...

[01:36:33] Dampness?

[01:36:34] Dampness, yes.

[01:36:35] No but also just how when you watch this movie you keep on thinking about how cold the

[01:36:39] water is which I think this movie does a really good job but I also just think

[01:36:42] about like even for the actors like it's cold in both circumstances.

[01:36:46] Like you're like this looks shitty for the characters and this couldn't have been

[01:36:49] easy to film so you feel the real stakes of it.

[01:36:51] Even if we know like I think it was like lukewarm water the whole time but still you're

[01:36:56] in water all day your feet feel disgusting like ugh yeah.

[01:37:00] No yeah being in the water all yeah it's yeah terrible.

[01:37:03] Yeah I did like an acting scene a shower recently and it was impossible.

[01:37:06] Like I just like couldn't do it.

[01:37:08] Sure.

[01:37:09] I'm also a bad actor but...

[01:37:11] Well there is something about...

[01:37:15] That's my job.

[01:37:16] There is something about Leo in this scene where it's just like I don't

[01:37:19] buy the shivering.

[01:37:20] No, it's too much and also the frog.

[01:37:22] And also the frost and the coloring and the like yeah it's everything is over.

[01:37:26] He's giving her really corny lines too.

[01:37:28] Yeah well that's cause he's like I know literally my life is leaving me.

[01:37:32] He's like Rose make sure you have a really great life.

[01:37:34] Yeah it also is like like Winslet's really hitting our stride in the section of the

[01:37:39] movie like this is the part of the movie where she's just fucking

[01:37:41] killing it.

[01:37:42] Yeah.

[01:37:43] You know where she becomes like sort of more of a strong silent type and she's

[01:37:46] just like you see her immediately being affected by everything she's

[01:37:49] just had to see.

[01:37:50] Survival's kicking in you know she wants to be with this guy.

[01:37:52] Yeah well right Jack's becoming a non-character in a weird sort of way.

[01:37:55] He's just like extra baggage she has to go down and save and stuff.

[01:37:59] Right and you know probably the reason for her near death.

[01:38:03] But she's sort of having her like baby like suriconic.

[01:38:07] Of course then he frees her you know we gotta remember that.

[01:38:10] He does free her.

[01:38:11] You know that's the point like she doesn't get on the boat with her mom.

[01:38:13] Yeah.

[01:38:14] So she gets to be her own person after the...

[01:38:16] But I like all I mean...

[01:38:18] You're free to remember where you can possibly free a person.

[01:38:19] I like Yoan Griffith navigating through the sea of frozen corpses.

[01:38:23] Yeah that's really scary too.

[01:38:25] It's really scary and it's weirdly like immediate you know like this is only

[01:38:29] like an hour or two later and they're all icicles basically.

[01:38:32] Yeah.

[01:38:33] We should have mentioned in the title the best part of the whole

[01:38:36] sinking scene is the dome breaking.

[01:38:39] Oh yeah.

[01:38:40] The water coming through the dome.

[01:38:41] That is the one moment that still feels so overwhelming you cannot

[01:38:44] believe they did that.

[01:38:45] Yeah.

[01:38:46] It's real like and you can see I've watched it so many times the making of

[01:38:49] Jack's sections where like you can see the footage of just them

[01:38:52] they're all like hanging out in the water and then Cameron goes like

[01:38:55] action and like a million gallons of water come through the dome.

[01:38:58] Oh my god.

[01:38:59] It's crazy.

[01:39:00] And it also just...

[01:39:01] It looks like I mean it looks like barely contained...

[01:39:04] We should talk about the PCP before I forget.

[01:39:06] Yeah that's also not a quick reset.

[01:39:07] There's one other moment that I want to quickly isolate

[01:39:10] because I think it's a beautiful Cameron moment where it's contained

[01:39:13] in one shot and it's like a masterful piece of storytelling

[01:39:16] is when Ismail gets on the lifeboat when he jumps on.

[01:39:20] Oh yeah.

[01:39:21] Oh that's so good.

[01:39:22] And then they pull focus from Murdock to him.

[01:39:24] It's a rack focus.

[01:39:25] There are no cuts and it's he jumps in the lifeboat.

[01:39:27] I think you start on the crewman right?

[01:39:30] You start on Murdock.

[01:39:31] Right Murdock then Ismail walks past him,

[01:39:33] sneaks by in his blind spot, gets on the boat.

[01:39:35] He's waiting there like looking to be caught.

[01:39:38] Oh it's so good.

[01:39:39] Then you rack focus.

[01:39:40] You see Ismail clock him.

[01:39:41] No Murdock clock him.

[01:39:42] Murdock clock him and then go like okay lower the boat.

[01:39:45] Yeah.

[01:39:46] And Ismail takes this like sigh as the lifeboat goes down

[01:39:49] and it's lower and he's out of view.

[01:39:50] He closes his eyes and has the sigh of relief

[01:39:52] and then he opens his eyes and there's kind of a look of terror

[01:39:54] of like now I have to live with myself.

[01:39:56] Right which is famously Ismail was dragged in the press

[01:39:58] for being a coward because he didn't go down with the ship

[01:40:01] and he would like testify before Congress.

[01:40:03] It was like a whole big thing.

[01:40:04] But that's like a moment where it's like

[01:40:05] this is why Cameron's good at his job.

[01:40:07] Like this is why he's the anti-Griffin

[01:40:09] because he knows how to do something like that.

[01:40:11] Anything you want to mention in the sinking?

[01:40:13] Any other moments?

[01:40:14] I'm sure we're forgetting so many good little moments

[01:40:17] because there are so many.

[01:40:18] I mean there is the captain

[01:40:21] and the suicide by Broken Glass

[01:40:27] but yeah that's a very unforgettable scene as well.

[01:40:33] I would say this movie maybe romanticizes

[01:40:40] suicide a little more than it should.

[01:40:42] Sure.

[01:40:43] I mean like...

[01:40:44] But then at the same time the people jumping off

[01:40:46] is terrifying.

[01:40:47] That's terrifying but I...

[01:40:48] Murdoch and the captain.

[01:40:50] And Ismail too.

[01:40:51] It's just like it's like okay what are your options here?

[01:40:55] Yeah okay good job I guess.

[01:40:57] But I mean it is appropriate to the era

[01:41:00] where that was there you know this was a courage

[01:41:02] and the power to subsist error

[01:41:04] it's right before World War II

[01:41:06] where that would play into it so much.

[01:41:07] So yeah like I think the idea

[01:41:09] the weird noble idea of suicide

[01:41:11] in this sort of extreme circumstance.

[01:41:13] I would still in that situation rather than kill myself

[01:41:15] to make a point I would like do my best

[01:41:17] to get everybody else on a lifeboat probably.

[01:41:20] Look if you want to shade Captain Smith's order...

[01:41:22] I'm just saying.

[01:41:24] 100 plus years later.

[01:41:26] I think he did made a few mistakes.

[01:41:28] Yeah his record is maybe not spotless.

[01:41:31] I could have a one big.

[01:41:33] First trip.

[01:41:35] I will say I'll make one peril.

[01:41:38] I mean I'm really on this podcast just to talk about

[01:41:40] Titanic Adventure out of time.

[01:41:42] So in Titanic Adventure out of time

[01:41:44] there is a medium character

[01:41:46] who is an expert in the paranormal

[01:41:49] and he's been kind of helping you

[01:41:51] with this case and everything.

[01:41:53] And so once you get to the sea

[01:41:55] oh also when the ship starts thinking

[01:41:58] the layout of the ship changes

[01:42:00] when you go up and down decks

[01:42:02] it looks like you're going up hill and downhill on it.

[01:42:04] Oh that's cool.

[01:42:06] God damn it that's cool.

[01:42:08] Ah fuck.

[01:42:10] And at one point you run into the medium

[01:42:12] and this is like in like zero

[01:42:14] it's about to split and half or whatever.

[01:42:16] You know it's like very very close to the wire

[01:42:19] and you run into the medium character

[01:42:22] and you can't, it's like an interaction

[01:42:24] you can't click away from like you have no choice

[01:42:27] and he's like I know where you're from

[01:42:30] I know that you're not from this time

[01:42:32] and it's so scary it's like very very chill.

[01:42:34] Also video games just terrify me no matter what.

[01:42:36] Video games are the best.

[01:42:38] Video games doesn't need to be scary

[01:42:40] it will terrify me but I remember that a lot

[01:42:42] from the sinking sequence.

[01:42:44] I want to offer a quick corrective

[01:42:46] video games are not the best, movies are the best,

[01:42:48] movies are number one.

[01:42:50] Oh I don't think that video games are the best.

[01:42:52] David said the incorrect thing.

[01:42:54] You said nothing offensive

[01:42:56] David said video games are the best

[01:42:58] I see a lot of things with that

[01:43:00] I don't think the video games are the best.

[01:43:02] Well that's not true, we know that's not true.

[01:43:04] That's objectively untrue.

[01:43:06] So Jack dies of hypothermia.

[01:43:08] Yeah he's real blue.

[01:43:10] After telling Rose that she has to live

[01:43:12] and have a nice life.

[01:43:14] It's kind of foreshadowing for avatar

[01:43:16] because it's a movie about people getting real blue.

[01:43:18] True.

[01:43:20] I can't deny it.

[01:43:22] Getting blue.

[01:43:24] And then there's the whole sequence where Rose gets the

[01:43:26] whistle and then she's rescued.

[01:43:28] I mean it's intense even though you know

[01:43:30] they're okay so they get on the car

[01:43:32] pathia.

[01:43:34] That's the ship that rescues them.

[01:43:36] And there is that amazing shot where

[01:43:38] Cal walks by.

[01:43:40] Oh and she's in the shawl.

[01:43:42] And then

[01:43:44] Isn't her mom there too?

[01:43:46] No we don't see her, I mean she did survive.

[01:43:48] We don't see Cal.

[01:43:50] He like stalks through

[01:43:52] and the guys are like oh it wouldn't be

[01:43:54] all over here you know.

[01:43:56] But he like stalks through the third class

[01:43:58] and then he's like

[01:44:00] I don't know if it's ever going to be

[01:44:02] all over.

[01:44:04] When I'm feeling very pretentious I say

[01:44:06] that film at the end of the day

[01:44:08] is the study of

[01:44:10] characters in space and time.

[01:44:12] Right?

[01:44:14] As opposed to what?

[01:44:16] I don't know farts and giggles.

[01:44:18] But that moment

[01:44:20] is a perfect example of that.

[01:44:22] That's human drama through

[01:44:24] the relation of two people in timing

[01:44:26] and then there's this guy from

[01:44:28] Gloria Stewart saying

[01:44:30] I'll only put a pistol in his mouth.

[01:44:32] Which is pretty brutal.

[01:44:34] And then you see Paxton and crew

[01:44:36] listening to the story and they're like

[01:44:38] well that fucking sucks.

[01:44:40] We forgot that the story was going to have a bad ending.

[01:44:42] We were all caught up in the drawing

[01:44:44] thing it seemed really hot and fun.

[01:44:46] Then everybody dies.

[01:44:48] Oh right, oh it's Titanic.

[01:44:50] And she does that like you know

[01:44:52] a lot of people went in the water

[01:44:54] and married someone else and got his

[01:44:56] fortune and then the stock market

[01:44:58] crashed and then he put a pistol in his mouth

[01:45:00] and she's like yep.

[01:45:02] So to speak.

[01:45:04] Yeah

[01:45:06] and that's the end of

[01:45:08] the flashback

[01:45:10] pretty much and then yeah there's

[01:45:12] a cut scene that they thankfully

[01:45:14] cut where... Well first we have Bill Paxton

[01:45:16] on the deck with the cigar and he was like

[01:45:18] I was going to smoke this one, found the heart of the diamond.

[01:45:20] He throws that he's talking to Susie Amos

[01:45:22] and they're going to hook up. Three years I haven't thought about anything

[01:45:24] other than Titanic but I never really

[01:45:26] got it until now.

[01:45:28] And then she's like I want to marry you James Cameron.

[01:45:30] You are so charming

[01:45:32] and you're drive and focus.

[01:45:34] James Cameron.

[01:45:36] Let's always love on the boat.

[01:45:38] So obsessed with your explorations you forgot that humans existed.

[01:45:40] I can perhaps be that tie back

[01:45:42] to the real world James Cameron.

[01:45:44] Then we cut to her

[01:45:46] throwing the ocean, diamond in the ocean.

[01:45:48] No. She slowly walks

[01:45:50] up to the bow of the ship.

[01:45:52] I know that Emily was correcting me but

[01:45:54] I like to think that you're just angry that she threw the diamond.

[01:45:56] No!

[01:45:58] Is that really the last of it or is it

[01:46:00] the scene where she's asleep? Is that the end?

[01:46:02] That's the end. The scene where she's asleep is the end.

[01:46:04] But before then she throws the diamond in the ocean

[01:46:06] with a little like oop. But she walks up

[01:46:08] and you think she's just going to do...

[01:46:10] Barefoot? She's in like a nightie.

[01:46:12] Right and her hands are clasped and you think it's just because she's

[01:46:14] an old lady and then

[01:46:16] she gets up and you're like oh it's replicating the moment

[01:46:18] but then look there, heart of the diamond

[01:46:20] cut back. Oh when she was on the ship

[01:46:22] she found in the pocket of the coat.

[01:46:24] And of course she didn't cash it in

[01:46:26] and didn't want to live on Cal's money or whatever

[01:46:28] but like I mean the idea right

[01:46:30] is that she's now back at the place.

[01:46:32] Yeah. I mean as we know a woman's heart

[01:46:34] is a deep ocean of secrets as she says.

[01:46:36] We all know that. It's reductive to say it again.

[01:46:38] But like right she's like commemorating

[01:46:40] like Jack is below her.

[01:46:42] That's the idea right? Right.

[01:46:44] She's returned to his grave. Like this is right

[01:46:46] on the Titanic. Yeah.

[01:46:48] Here's my other read on it. It's corny but you know.

[01:46:50] Here's my other read on it. They cut the whole scene

[01:46:52] where Bill Paxton tries to stop her and she's like

[01:46:54] no Bill Paxton, haven't you learned?

[01:46:56] Do you not know about this? It's one of the worst

[01:46:58] deleted scenes of all time. That's horrible.

[01:47:00] They cut this whole thing where like he's like

[01:47:02] but I want the diamond. She's like no the diamonds

[01:47:04] you don't really like it. The story

[01:47:06] of Titanic and he's like you're right

[01:47:08] and then she throws it in the water. Oh my god no.

[01:47:10] And James Cameron watched it and correctly was like

[01:47:12] I don't think people care about Bill Paxton.

[01:47:14] Well and here's the thing I like

[01:47:16] is by omitting that part of the scene

[01:47:18] because it's literally just like the scene

[01:47:20] cuts out early but even earlier

[01:47:22] than that because it's supposed to be that he tries

[01:47:24] to stop her. Yeah. So it's like in between

[01:47:26] two cuts of the sequence

[01:47:28] as we have it right now is this whole other

[01:47:30] second that's not in there. Yeah. Okay.

[01:47:32] It's supposed to be that he

[01:47:34] from the talk to Susie Amis catches

[01:47:36] her once she's on the balcony

[01:47:38] and they're like what what are you doing?

[01:47:40] I like that the way it's cut now

[01:47:42] there's sort of a

[01:47:44] read that one of the reasons she's throwing it back

[01:47:46] into the ocean is that like let him find it

[01:47:48] if you want. Oh sure

[01:47:50] I didn't even think of that. Sure. Does it be like

[01:47:52] a bummer just to hand it to him and be like I had it the whole time?

[01:47:54] You know? I think

[01:47:56] it's like I like this guy testing my

[01:47:58] granddad or seems to be picking it all up.

[01:48:00] We got it we're going to wrap up.

[01:48:02] I just realized it's 7 p.m.

[01:48:04] It's we've been going on for a long time.

[01:48:06] Okay. We got to stop. Pan across the pictures.

[01:48:08] Ooh look at this.

[01:48:10] She lived this rich life. She got

[01:48:12] to ride a horse with her

[01:48:14] with her leg on either side. Yeah man call back.

[01:48:16] Call back call back call back.

[01:48:18] But then I mean the dream she has

[01:48:20] it's yeah.

[01:48:22] All the nice characters are there none of

[01:48:24] the mean characters like

[01:48:26] Andrews is there but not like Meenold

[01:48:28] Cal and her mom or whatever. Oh joy.

[01:48:30] Jackson his street clothes not

[01:48:32] in the white coat and tails and he's at

[01:48:34] the clock. Gives her a little smile

[01:48:36] and then she then they pan up to the

[01:48:38] guy she's dead right that's the idea

[01:48:40] you know this is

[01:48:42] cut right to the song.

[01:48:44] Yeah. Which avatar pulls

[01:48:46] the same trick and it is a bummer. Oh it

[01:48:48] does one thing before it cuts to the song

[01:48:50] what written in directed by James Cameron

[01:48:52] he lets that really land with

[01:48:54] a thought because it's like that's

[01:48:56] the mic drop moment if you've made a great movie

[01:48:58] James Cameron

[01:49:00] James Cameron

[01:49:02] film 111 Oscars we

[01:49:04] should say yes a lot

[01:49:06] of the most ever tied with all about Eve and

[01:49:08] Ben her. No sorry tied with Ben her

[01:49:10] and Lord of the Rings all about he

[01:49:12] best of us nominations yeah because it got

[01:49:14] like four out of five supporting sure

[01:49:16] yeah but

[01:49:18] yeah any last thoughts on I mean we've said

[01:49:20] that that movie is a happy has a happy ending

[01:49:22] somehow okay and that one

[01:49:24] it okay makes the difference I want to

[01:49:26] talk really briefly about the heart of

[01:49:28] the ocean oh yeah go ahead right I

[01:49:30] googled that so

[01:49:32] the weird thing about a lot of things

[01:49:34] in this movie actually is that the movies

[01:49:36] about how for example

[01:49:38] the heart of the ocean

[01:49:40] is like a dog caller

[01:49:42] and sure right like shackles

[01:49:44] yeah but

[01:49:46] but everybody wanted

[01:49:48] a little replica heart of the

[01:49:50] ocean necklace in 1997

[01:49:52] Katie I should say told me that at her

[01:49:54] sister's bachelorette party everyone wore

[01:49:56] hearts of the ocean oh my god

[01:49:58] I mean you could I remember

[01:50:00] in 17 magazine you could cut out

[01:50:02] a little order form and send in for your

[01:50:04] like $30 like your

[01:50:06] cubic zirconia or whatever yeah

[01:50:08] I think that's very

[01:50:10] I think that's very interesting I think

[01:50:12] they did make a actual

[01:50:14] replica of it with

[01:50:16] a diamond that big

[01:50:18] that was auctioned

[01:50:20] at a princess

[01:50:22] die memorial

[01:50:24] that's just a crash of late

[01:50:26] 90s

[01:50:28] so that is

[01:50:30] somebody decided to spend

[01:50:32] $2.2 million on that thing

[01:50:34] so you know what the catch was though

[01:50:36] you had to pick it up from the bottom of the ocean

[01:50:38] yeah right you had to go down there

[01:50:40] you had to go down the bottom of the ocean

[01:50:42] and I just think

[01:50:44] oh and also Celine Dion wore

[01:50:46] I looked this up all up before I got on this

[01:50:48] podcast but Celine Dion wore it

[01:50:50] when she sang my heart will go on at the

[01:50:52] Academy Awards

[01:50:54] she was famously sick or something right

[01:50:56] well like Michael Jordan's flu game

[01:50:58] the other thing about that song is the recorded

[01:51:00] version of it for second take

[01:51:02] whoa that's

[01:51:04] pretty impressed that's how she makes the box

[01:51:06] can we play the box office game

[01:51:08] and then we gotta get out of here December 21st

[01:51:10] 1997

[01:51:12] Titanic number one 28 million dollars

[01:51:14] at the time

[01:51:16] thought it was disastrous open very bad

[01:51:18] there's no way it's gonna make back its budget

[01:51:20] of course it's total domestic gross

[01:51:22] forgetting the 3d re-release is $600 million

[01:51:24] right on the nugget

[01:51:26] $2.1 billion after you

[01:51:28] include the 3d re-release

[01:51:30] it's still one of only two movies in history to get

[01:51:32] $2 billion

[01:51:34] and if you look at the weekends

[01:51:36] it's 28, 35, 33, 28, 30, 36

[01:51:38] 25, 25, 23, 28, 32

[01:51:40] it's like just making that

[01:51:42] for four months

[01:51:44] its biggest weekend was its fifth weekend

[01:51:46] yeah that sounds right

[01:51:48] that's crazy

[01:51:50] it was just a phenomenon people kept going back to see it

[01:51:52] so 1997 December

[01:51:54] it's a re-release in a huge franchise

[01:51:58] it's a dissapointing entry in this franchise

[01:52:00] although I've always had a soft spot for it

[01:52:02] but it's kind of bad

[01:52:04] is it tomorrow never dies

[01:52:06] yes

[01:52:08] that was pretty good

[01:52:10] 25 mil

[01:52:12] I remember seeing it and I never liked it very much

[01:52:14] it made 125 total

[01:52:16] that's Michelle Yeo and Jonathan Price

[01:52:18] cherry hatcher

[01:52:20] number three is a sequel to a smash hit

[01:52:22] that's a quick turnaround

[01:52:24] yeah

[01:52:26] is it a comedy? nope

[01:52:28] what's the other kind of thing that gets quick turnaround?

[01:52:30] horror? I still know what you did last summer

[01:52:32] scream 2? there we go

[01:52:34] oh number 4

[01:52:36] 55 mil after two weeks

[01:52:38] number 4

[01:52:40] we were talking about on twitter recently

[01:52:42] oh really? you and I

[01:52:44] what's your take on this movie Emily

[01:52:46] without giving away the name because you seem very excited

[01:52:48] um I remember

[01:52:50] being really surprised by this movie at the time

[01:52:52] uh this movie freaked me out when I was a kid

[01:52:54] yeah really freaked me out

[01:52:56] it was not what you thought it was going to be

[01:52:58] no and uh it is the start of

[01:53:00] a big director's career

[01:53:02] although I would not call him a great director

[01:53:04] although he's an interesting

[01:53:06] interesting character

[01:53:08] a large grossing director

[01:53:10] for sure was it his number one first movie

[01:53:12] or was it his breakout movie?

[01:53:14] it opens to 6 million dollars

[01:53:16] make 61 million

[01:53:18] domestic, 122 worldwide

[01:53:20] uh

[01:53:22] boy how else it's a kids movie

[01:53:24] but it's too fucked up for kids

[01:53:26] yeah it's really weird

[01:53:28] you like this movie I think

[01:53:30] I'm sure I do I mean if you say it's a kids movie and it's too

[01:53:32] there was never a sequel

[01:53:34] never a sequel it has an animal in it

[01:53:36] it hasn't I feel like I want to rush you just because

[01:53:40] we gotta get out of here

[01:53:42] yeah it's a fucked up movie

[01:53:44] the name of the animal like not the name

[01:53:46] the proper name of the animal but the kind of animal

[01:53:48] that's in the title

[01:53:50] Jesus Christ

[01:53:52] and the animal is being persecuted one could say

[01:53:58] what is it? mouse hunt

[01:54:00] oh I mean I love this

[01:54:02] I was tweeting about this the other night

[01:54:04] you were you were tweeting about it the other night

[01:54:06] what was your tweet again I can't even remember

[01:54:08] uh god I can't even remember

[01:54:10] there's something about remember that movie where Nathan

[01:54:12] Hain, Lane hunts a mouse

[01:54:14] and I said yes it's called hunts a mouse

[01:54:16] number five

[01:54:18] mouse hunt rules yeah but remember that scene where

[01:54:20] he throws up the bug yeah that was the scene

[01:54:22] that I couldn't take it's really really gross

[01:54:24] that's something I like is mouse hunt

[01:54:26] is too disturbing to be a children's movie

[01:54:28] and then there's the whole thing with Mark Williams plays

[01:54:30] the nice exterminator man with the big machine

[01:54:32] and then they smash his machine and I didn't like that

[01:54:34] he was like too vulnerable for me to see that

[01:54:36] uh that was his number one first movie

[01:54:38] it was like one of these like um like babe pig in the city

[01:54:40] or I think so it's like the weird

[01:54:42] miscalculations about what should be in a kids movie

[01:54:44] right very true kind of interesting

[01:54:46] but then like of course you worked many a kid

[01:54:48] yeah those were always the movies that

[01:54:50] spoke to me most as a troll as a child

[01:54:52] or like return to Oz or something

[01:54:54] I loved return to Oz I love the whiz like kids movies

[01:54:56] that were like weirdly upsetting I was

[01:54:58] always really into and visually like

[01:55:00] kind of just on a bizarre nightmare escape

[01:55:02] well here's another one

[01:55:04] yeah I saw this in theaters

[01:55:06] it contains a scene where he

[01:55:08] you guys use this word a lot

[01:55:10] we used to use this word all the time

[01:55:12] on the Star Trek uh Star Wars days

[01:55:14] we used to use this word a lot waddo

[01:55:16] no there was never a movie called waddo

[01:55:18] it came out before

[01:55:20] episode one it prepared everybody

[01:55:22] to fall in love with an

[01:55:24] irascible junk dealer

[01:55:26] that old cook

[01:55:28] is it a remake?

[01:55:30] yeah it is a remake

[01:55:32] it's a mad scientist movie it made

[01:55:34] 92 million dollars

[01:55:36] oh flubber

[01:55:38] flubber

[01:55:40] it's a remake of the absent minded professor

[01:55:42] disney's flubber

[01:55:44] we used that word a lot I forgot about

[01:55:46] some other movies in the top 10 home alone

[01:55:48] three

[01:55:50] directed by roger gosnell

[01:55:52] for richer or poorer the tim alan

[01:55:54] christianne amish

[01:55:56] amish stod

[01:55:58] oh

[01:56:00] not amish stod but amish stod

[01:56:02] we'll be talking more about that soon

[01:56:04] we will anastasia the rain maker

[01:56:06] alien resurrection

[01:56:08] amish amish stash

[01:56:10] amish resurrection

[01:56:12] anyway

[01:56:14] crazy well that's been our episode

[01:56:16] we've talked too much about everything

[01:56:18] so in total I think we three and a half hours

[01:56:20] I think we beat the running time remember that note

[01:56:22] we got about shorter yeah we got that

[01:56:24] literally two days ago

[01:56:26] it's two podcasts of about an hour

[01:56:28] 45 each

[01:56:30] an hour 30 and an hour 45ish

[01:56:32] are you gonna release these on the same day

[01:56:34] no we gotta space out

[01:56:36] I wanna say that I think this movie is better than terminator 2

[01:56:38] I agree

[01:56:40] when I watched it I was like oh this is my favorite

[01:56:42] in fact I totally forgot about it

[01:56:44] I've been watching most of them to prepare myself for this podcast

[01:56:46] most of the cam and movies

[01:56:48] um I don't like

[01:56:50] terminator 2

[01:56:52] I'm not going there with you

[01:56:54] I'm not that into it

[01:56:56] any reason god you're trying to start a fight

[01:56:58] two hours in I think it's kind of boring

[01:57:00] I think a lot of the stuff

[01:57:02] that works for me in terminator

[01:57:04] it's just take it up to such a level

[01:57:06] where all of it is based on

[01:57:08] stuff that happens off screen that is really hard

[01:57:10] for me to hang out with the stakes

[01:57:12] interesting you know

[01:57:14] anyway do you like aliens

[01:57:16] not as much as aliens well I'm with you on that

[01:57:18] but do you like aliens it's okay

[01:57:20] it's fine wow okay well well do you like

[01:57:22] avatar I've never seen avatar

[01:57:24] whoa you're gonna watch it

[01:57:26] sure I'll watch it

[01:57:30] anyway I've never seen true lies

[01:57:32] that one's a weird one

[01:57:34] um I yeah I just wanted to get my

[01:57:36] popular opinions out there before

[01:57:38] I uh finished into the night

[01:57:40] let loose under the streets of Manhattan

[01:57:42] well you'll be back you should

[01:57:44] sure you will be back with us not too long

[01:57:46] uh bruzza or she is never down for the count

[01:57:48] she's always ready for another fight

[01:57:50] yep uh thank you so much for being on the show

[01:57:52] thank you guys for thank you to Katie

[01:57:54] yep thank you to Charlie

[01:57:56] thank you Charlie

[01:57:58] thank you to producer Ben thank god

[01:58:00] Katie left actually because we would have

[01:58:02] fucking kept her trapped in here till

[01:58:04] seven that baby would have eaten us all alive

[01:58:06] yeah the cutest baby in the world but great baby

[01:58:08] let's get that off the best baby I've ever seen

[01:58:10] great baby um

[01:58:12] uh so yeah Ben

[01:58:14] for thanks to Ben for the drawing we'll post that online

[01:58:16] everyone get excited people follow Emily

[01:58:18] on Twitter at Emily

[01:58:20] you still may change your avatar really freaked me out

[01:58:22] but I guess it was you know for a long time

[01:58:24] yeah it was it was I had that avatar which

[01:58:26] was boo from

[01:58:28] from Mario Brothers I had that from

[01:58:30] from

[01:58:32] Halloween of 2012

[01:58:34] or 2013

[01:58:36] alright forgiven so

[01:58:38] it was just I changed it for Halloween and it

[01:58:40] stuck yeah no I remember just good good avatar

[01:58:42] um yeah

[01:58:44] uh so check all that out right review

[01:58:46] subscribe to our podcast next week we'll be

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[01:58:50] documentaries and what's gonna definitely

[01:58:52] be a real short episode

[01:58:54] wow should we even do it I think we got it

[01:58:56] okay I think we gotta okay yeah

[01:58:58] uh thank you everybody for listening

[01:59:00] sure keep it up good job blankies

[01:59:02] uh

[01:59:04] please say nice things about your mommy

[01:59:06] Emily Yoshida on the reddit

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[01:59:10] it's in mother blankies okay uh and

[01:59:12] as always

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