Trainspotting with Charles Rogers

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[00:01:17] Now, when I was on line two you started nodding because I had McGregor down Um It was hard to maintain I'm not going to say you had him down but I was impressed That you were in the ballpark I was in the ballpark

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[00:01:40] A little Colin Farrell Sure, he's Irish, obvious But there's that boyish quality to his voice that he still has He still has it Yeah That's why hello there is funny Hello there Because when he says hello there in Star Wars Yeah

[00:01:52] He is, that line, oh, Alec Guinness says that Right? Right And so clearly they're like, oh, it's no, you know, we're referencing But the way he says it, you're like, he's like a little kid Like, you know, picking someone up at school Hello there, you know

[00:02:04] It is also, we did Doctor Sleep on the Patreon feed, Paywalled, recently We talked about Ewan for a while there Watching this movie, it is just incredible how he has aged He's beautiful You mean that he's a good looking man

[00:02:22] Yeah, but it's just basically just he looks exactly the same Just with some added wisdom Well, he's had good work He's had some good work He's one of those guys where it's like He's like 30 pounds heavier than he is in this movie But that's intentional

[00:02:36] Sure, okay, so this is what we were talking about Don't ever point at me I'm sorry Rude to point My mother used to tell me I would get slapped for the way I pointed at people Did you? No, no, never did

[00:02:46] Never, well, your mother was a fucking liar Well, she probably scared me off doing it Can I say what I thought you were gonna go I'm not gonna do the whole thing But I thought you were gonna go choose podcast, choose a podcast, choose a podcast

[00:02:57] Choose a fucking big podcast I wondered if you would do that too That's actually, that's a better podcast That's fucking funny I thought you were gonna do it I literally had it all written down in case you weren't gonna do it Wow, you had done that?

[00:03:07] When you were doing it I was sort of like, oh he's not doing that But then I forgot of course there is that killer final line of You know, I've got heroin And that does fit So I think you did good Yeah, podcasting, the modern heroin

[00:03:22] We've covered 10 Ewan McGregor films on the podcast But if you don't count Star Wars We've only done Big Fish, Birds of Prey and on the special features Doctor Sleep Okay Right Big Fish is really the only McGregor project Big Ewan movie we've done on the main feature

[00:03:37] Which you don't like him in that You're very anti that performance I'm very anti that performance You have said I thought it was Cronop who I was Cronop was the one I was launching missiles at

[00:03:46] You've said horrible things to me in private about Ewan McGregor's performance in Big Fish Scandalous things Scandalous things Things that would make your mother tell someone to slap you I don't think I think that when he does that American gee whiz thing I'm always kind of like Okay

[00:04:04] You know, like that's not What about Down with Love? Well, I do love him in Down with Love Thank you Catcher Block Catcher Block Catcher Block is great But you know But he's not But that's He's playing a cynical character there Oh, he's a cad Yeah

[00:04:19] I'm more mean when he was being a boyish baby face boy In American accents I get what you're saying I think that's the good one I think that's the right context He's good He's handsome He's a handsome man He's a star Oh my god 100%

[00:04:36] I'll follow him wherever he wants me to go That's the thing with him We had this conversation with our buddy Alex Ross-Perry When we were doing Clockwork Orange About like how many actors Very similar movie Very similar movie, yes

[00:04:46] But also how just like most actors who worked with Kubrick The Kubrick film is the thing that will be in their obituary Like he gave people their definitive role and their definitive project Right Although he was wrong about Barry Lyndon

[00:04:58] And we should have challenged that on the podcast Love Story or Paper Moon you think? I think it's Love Story or Paper Moon I think both of those have a bigger Yeah Look, we always You're never left with more regrets About what you should have challenged

[00:05:12] Than after an Alex Ross-Perry podcast But you gotta let him go when he's going McGregor will never give a performance more definitive than this Right? Like I'm Whether or not it's his best performance Yeah, that's true And sometimes with guys like this

[00:05:25] It's like well if that's the thing They come out of the gate Everyone meets them on this movie It's hard to overcome But it just feels like this is the crystallization of everything I think he's done a lot of great work

[00:05:34] I think he has probably a lot of great work ahead of him This will be his eulogy I think more than Star Wars I think that in the United Kingdom There's no doubt that that is true I think in America it'd be fucking Star Wars these days

[00:05:48] I think so I mean he's had a weird That's more me speaking ill of America Career though He's had a weird He hasn't had like I think Moulin Rouge is the other movie That's true That might be at the top of the list For both countries

[00:05:59] Probably for the US Probably People think of Moulin Rouge I don't know though When I looked up this movie This was playing on Cinemax Encore Like I feel like this is like a mainstay For like Yeah Being played on premium You know Cable channels It's incredible

[00:06:15] I love this movie so much We're gonna talk about you in a lot on this mini-series Yes You love this movie so much? So much Me too So much But I just wonder if it's like Is this more ubiquitous in Britain than it is here?

[00:06:29] Like has this become more of a weird artifact in America? I wanna say this What? This is a podcast called Blank Check with Griffin and David I'm Griffin I'm David Ow Fuck Charles Jesus Christ Taking me to the paint Yeah You gotta be Charles today David It's fine

[00:06:46] It's fine It's good It's like You know Work the bag It'll wake me up You're not gonna like it No no I love it It's a podcast about filmographies Yep Directors who experienced massive success early on in their careers

[00:06:57] Such as making a movie like Trainspotting that cost 1.5 million dollars And made like 90 million dollars worldwide Yeah 80 I think Okay Around there Yeah So they're doing blank checks Make whatever crazy passion projects they want Sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce Baby

[00:07:13] This is a mini series on the films of Danny Boyle Now this is his second movie True This is the first one we are recording chronologically True Which means you need to weigh in on this on mic right now Yes I'm ready I

[00:07:29] You threw out a name that seemed right On November 7th Yeah I just texted to the blank check group text With no further comment Trainspodcasting Wait was that what I thought was good? And then I wrote It's either that or Slumpod million cast

[00:07:49] And then my third test was 28 podcasts later dot dot dot And your response Was Tuesday November 8th Anyone want bagels? Well Did anyone? I wrote absolutely and you got bagels and I thank you for that

[00:08:09] But the point is it's been over a month and you never weighed in I think it's train Wait say it again Trainspodcasting Trainspodcasting I think it's that Here's one One It's silly Two I just want the art to be the trainspotting poster art Well of course

[00:08:27] It has to be And I don't want it to be the Slumdog Millionaire poster Which beyond the fact that it's a movie starring non-white people Which is nice It's kind of a bad poster It's a bad poster So like you know fuck that

[00:08:37] And what was the other one? 28 Days Later That's just like red and glowing eyes Like that's kind of boring And also that's just kind of boring Yeah 28 podcasts later Trainspodcasting Oof it's not rolling off the tongue Trainspodcasting I think that's what's charming about it Exactly

[00:08:52] The fact that it's impossible It's a little squeaky Trainspodcasting Trainspodcasting Trainspodcasting Trainspodcasting Trainspodcasting Trainspodcasting Yeah Trainspodcasting Today we're talking about the titular The titular film of this miniseries Correct Danny Boyle's Trainspotting Is a 1996 British black comedy I suppose One of the most important films of the 90s

[00:09:18] One could argue A definitive film of the 90s Culturally Especially in the UK Our guest today returned to the show after far too long True Creator of Search Party Co-creator of Search Party Nah just creator Taking it for yourself Yeah Charles Rogers Thank you for having me

[00:09:38] I really Hi Charles I'm so honored to have been picked for such a seminal movie I really When you offered the list to me I was like Well Trainspotting is my number one But like You're gonna get like Lin-Manuel Miranda

[00:09:51] You're gonna get one of your big kahuna guests What if Lin-Manuel Miranda attempted a Trainspotting Stage adaptation Who would it be? You'd get some famous Scottish person A famous Scot I don't know enough famous Scots No who would More fool me Yeah

[00:10:07] I don't have enough Scots in my life More fool you Yeah You would get Danny Boyle Hey Danny What's your favorite Danny Boyle movie? Trainspotting is pretty good I don't know After Mixed Nuts I really was like I'm gonna have like a How did this get made?

[00:10:20] Relationship to No The movies that I get invited to We like to mix up sometimes But we I don't know I was like Charles likes Trainspotting And I was like Charles is perfect for Trainspotting No questions asked It felt good It felt clean Yeah

[00:10:34] Now we were talking right before this About Trying to get hot All three of us were Relating our struggles Of wanting to get hot While eating Little Caesars David ordered Little Caesars I didn't touch that It tastes I also didn't touch it for the record Ben and I

[00:10:47] Are getting hot It's absolutely liquid gold Sometimes I think I want to get hot And then I eat something like Little Caesars pizza And I'm like Why would I ever give this up? You're not sponsored by Little Caesars I see I simply picked it up

[00:10:57] With my own two hands And brought it into the studio A lot of sloshes open up for 2023 If Little Caesars wants to jump in Oh yeah that's true We could become Little Caesars presents Blank check The point is We were talking about this And you were Charles

[00:11:09] You were talking about a friend of yours Who was hot And then got even more hot And then it turned out He had What? You can finish it He had worms He had He had a lot of worms He had a type worm

[00:11:20] He had a lot of worms A lot of them Yeah And this thing of just People who look the most hot Often something horribly unhealthy Is going on Whether deliberate or unconsciously I like the characters in this movie I was gonna say It is upsetting how much

[00:11:32] I kept thinking to myself How good these fucking guys look It is It's two things One it's the vintage thing Absolutely And two it's the fact that They're all hot in the movie Yeah But they're also all still hot Yeah And so there's this thrill

[00:11:44] To seeing them young To seeing all these You know Kelley MacDonald and Ewan McGregor And Johnny Lee Miller When he's hot He has no fear Of being hot He's not afraid He has no He has no He has no fat On his abs There's nothing

[00:11:58] When he bends over He lost a lot I mean To this day I'm no longer like You know When I was like a twink I was like into skinny Other twinky boys And now I'm not that much You know It's not I love all types of people now

[00:12:11] Very cool Huge Or just men really All types of men people Let's not get crazy Yeah But then like Rewatching this movie I'm like This is still The thing I'm like This is still The pinnacle And this movie has a very Coming out origin story for me Because

[00:12:28] I had the train spotting poster On my dorm Oh yeah The like classic The classic one that everybody had This poster Yeah The nice orange one Yeah And I had it on my wall And these two girls that I met At an orientation Rachel Carlson and Elektra Yao

[00:12:41] In hindsight Okay Shout out Both probably Yeah Rachel If you're out there I miss you If you're around And they both In hindsight They were like I think both after me And I just didn't realize that And they came back to my dorm And they saw the poster

[00:12:58] And they were like He's so hot in this And it was the first week of college And I made the choice to be like He is And I had never Sure you were You were comfortable being like He is And then I was like

[00:13:09] I can't believe I just did that And then like two days later They were like So are you gay? And I was like I am And then that was It was no turning back It was the soft opening At the concert It's you and specifically

[00:13:20] That you were agreeing It would be funny if they were pointing to Robert Carlyle Like if he was the one He is though Oh he is Everyone looks good He's pretty in this movie Yeah He's a pretty guy in general He's got this pointy little pretty nose

[00:13:32] In this movie But or were you just kind of like I mean Ewan It's Ewan Ewan Ewan Ewan Is Ewan McGregor It's unparalleled There is no one who is as hot in that way Ever since He's very beautiful I would say Beyond being hot

[00:13:48] But he doesn't look like anyone else And he doesn't look like any other attractive person If that makes sense No no no Apart from his little dimpled chin Yeah Which is very cute And very like old Hollywood Sure He does You're right He doesn't have like

[00:14:01] It's not like Oh he's like a blah type Like you know Like I don't know Some actor I remember as a dumb As a dumb little straight boy I would not understand When women would say Or girls my age Would say That someone was attractive

[00:14:13] Who did not look like the The other guy And I would be like Oh I'm not sure I don't know But I would not Understand Why someone would say That someone would look like The 30 Rock joke A cartoon astronaut Or whatever Right Sure I'd be like

[00:14:30] Well I understand What a handsome man looks like Square-ish jaw Sure Yeah Look's like Superman Thin nose Blue eyes Yes I was like I understand Superman is attractive Conventionally to women I don't understand And people would say About Ewan McGregor And I'd be like

[00:14:47] He's kind of goofy looking He's got the Malcolm McDowell That's a good comment The same Rapscallion swag Yes It's that same And also Robert Pattinson In Good Time Similar Oh sure That's it Like that little Pattinson is so handsome Yeah yeah He's always that And like Jude Law

[00:15:03] Who is I would say Another very pretty Brit Who emerges a little after Ewan Just a little A little He's similarly You're like Yes I get that That guy looks like He's from a 30s movie Like yeah He's very very pretty Very handsome

[00:15:16] But yeah Ewan's a little different You compare like McDowell He's still hot And Pattinson They're both scary In those movies Right? Yeah Like Pattinson obviously In Good Time He's choosing to invoke that Yeah McDowell Even when he was at his prettiest There was something Oh yeah

[00:15:33] Menacing and creepy McDowell would have played a guy Who is like Just like a chill normal guy Right Like if Malcolm McDowell Was like hey how you doing And smiled at me I'd be like What the fuck do you want with me? I think it's the

[00:15:44] I'll give you my money It's okay There's something innately sweet about McGregor It's the Danny Boyle magic Yeah It's this is But also just him as a performer It's like It's why you need him at the center But good call Danny Boyle Sentimental streak Yes Very crucial

[00:16:03] To Trainspotting's success Yeah But Ewan Bremner played Bremner Bremner Played Rent Boy on stage When they did this as a play He played He played Rent Rent Boy Rent Boy is his nickname Right right right Although they don't really say it That is a fantastic performance

[00:16:18] That he gave Right Sure But you watch this He's so good at Spud Amazing He's an incredible character actor He looks like a Wounded deer or whatever He's so sweet You know You feel for him I cannot imagine this movie Working with those two guys flipped No

[00:16:33] As a movie Yeah He could play Rent on stage I could see Ewan playing Spud I don't know if it would work But I guess Ewan would just play him As the sort of innocent Yeah I guess I could see that It's hard to imagine

[00:16:44] I think that probably The stage play had a different A slightly different tone Or something It was just like a little bit more Of like a I bet it was a little ickier There's no vibe to the research Where it's like Ewan Rebner was like That's my role

[00:16:56] And he's not fucking Jimmy Conway No no no He was like I was really appreciative That they gave me a good part Yes I think he like Fully understood Like No not Jimmy Jimmy Conway is Fucking The good fellas character Come on Jeff Conway Is that his name?

[00:17:13] Oh for Grease Jeff Conway And then it was Kinnicky Oh okay Yes Right no Looking at Travolta Being like You stole my part you fucker Right And then you watch Jeff Conway on the first season of Taxi And he is straight up Doing Travolta It's clear that like

[00:17:29] It broke him Right He's like That must be what I have to do Come on It's that kind of thing But no I think Bremner Bremner seems to say like I got it Completely Yeah That I didn't have The innate Sort of weird quality

[00:17:45] And I was very happy to play Spud I kept on I watched all the special features Which are preserved on iTunes now From what was a pretty good DVD At the time But they talk a lot about The book is so sort of like Short cutsy

[00:17:59] And that it's just all these vignettes And it scatters across the characters It's fairly plotless Yeah Right and And I think the play was maybe A little more like that And that was like Boyle's like first big decision Was like We're turning this into a 90 minute

[00:18:12] This is going to be A digestible commercial film Which Irvin Welsh appreciated And because of that Everything kind of has to be From Renton's point of view He'll be the main character Right It was just more ensemble He's the line Well in the book

[00:18:26] He is the most sympathetic character He's like All these people suck And I don't know why I'm doing this But I do love heroin So good But like So like in the book If you're reading the book You're like Well Renton is kind of The only remotely

[00:18:38] Sympathetic character here Spud is kind of sympathetic But he's sort of stupid But Spud I would argue Only becomes Tragedy Spud becomes sympathetic I think Because of Bremner's performance A little bit In the hands of a different actor I don't know if he lands that way Right

[00:18:52] In the book He's just an innocent It's like He's like just You feel bad for him Spud could have been more chaotic And you could see him being so stupid That you can't even relate to him Yeah You know Ben Well I was just going to say

[00:19:05] In the book They jump around From different perspectives So there's different characters speaking Ben Did you like this book? Yeah It's a real book So this book We have a lot to discuss I also had the poster But I had the Choose life Oh yeah The monologue poster

[00:19:21] Yeah I tried to Okay I bought the book And then I was like I actually don't Yeah Pretty cool Pretty cool Pretty cool I bought the book You know Like every other book in my life I didn't read it And then I downloaded the Audible

[00:19:36] And it was just like So thick The accent I was like I actually Don't think I can do 12 hours of I wonder who read the Audible I couldn't do it There's One of the insane things on the DVD There's a lot of interviews from

[00:19:51] The Cannes party for this movie The Cannes Film Festival Oh right of course Cannes No no no it's not Cannes Film Festival You're right Cannes Film Festival I think this movie comes out in the spring So when it's playing It came out

[00:20:04] So it came out in February in the UK Right Then it played Out of competition Yes And then it came out in America In the summer time Right So like Cannes sort of helped build up The film has fully succeeded in the UK Right It's a phenomenon

[00:20:17] And now we want to take on the world The question is Can you take this Yes Deeply unsympathetic film About heroin addict criminals Right And make it cool And sexy and fizzy Which it is But like Yeah Enough that Americans are like Ah one ticket please

[00:20:31] So they have this This Cannes party That was like I mean the intertitles Are saying Like the film played Out of competition As a midnight screening But it was the only Unanimously Like sort of Well received film And then they filmed The entire festival And then like

[00:20:46] The party became The must attend event Of the festival And they show the party And it's like Mick Jagger Tony Collette The people Damien Alburn Heroin addicts Yes Just incredible crew of people But the longest Martin Landau Who gives a bizarre interview Where they're like

[00:21:01] Do you think this like Signals the start of a new wave A new media A new generation Of British filmmakers And he's like What are you talking about waves Waves aren't a thing They're not generation It's just people It's just one person And then he's like

[00:21:14] I'm going to make a movie Like he's very angry about it I kind of like that It was kind of incredible And you're also just like What is he doing at this party But then the longest interview Weirdly The guy who stays And talks to this fucking

[00:21:24] Red carpet schmo For the longest Is Noel Gallagher Sure Well he is Also king of the world Right then Absolutely Who is Noel Gallagher Of Oasis Oasis Oh okay The front man And they ask him if Also a chatty guy Who loves to go to the movies

[00:21:41] And he's like He loves to go off If there's a microphone And was good He's so funny He's maybe the funniest British person But they were asking Do you think the film's Going to connect in the states As much And he goes I don't know The fucking accents

[00:21:56] They might understand I didn't understand What they're saying And it's like He's a man who is Somewhat unintelligible He's Mancunian He's from Manchester And he was saying I did a very bad job Of his accent there But he was saying That he could not understand

[00:22:09] Most of the dialogue In the film Did you guys watch this I did I mean I watch everything In subtitles Because of my daughter Wait your daughter Watched this movie No She didn't watch it She just read it You just showed her Only the baby scenes

[00:22:25] I actually put it on With my wife in the room Because I was like Just watch the first ten minutes It's like It's like Fucking you know Shot out of a can It's so cool Has she never seen it before No Wow And that's not surprising

[00:22:38] And quite quickly She was like There's a baby Is the baby okay The baby is less okay Than a baby's ever been She was like You shouldn't have even told me That the baby is not okay Even though I'm not going to watch You should have just said

[00:22:49] The baby is okay And I was like The baby is so not okay It comes back I was like Does this movie have a vibe Of the baby's gonna be okay Like not really It's Chekhov's baby I forgot about that It's also

[00:23:00] It happened so early in the movie And we move on And it's still light and fun And I don't know How it pulls that off Well that's why This movie is a real Magic trick of a movie Yeah I hadn't seen this movie In a really long time

[00:23:12] I watched it a ton In high school And probably in college And then I hadn't seen it In so long And the baby I remember being So hard to watch I'm gonna be honest Actually I skipped the scene Really I've seen the movie Many times

[00:23:26] Well I guess that's What doesn't count Your opinion is It was not the hard It ended up not being The hardest thing for me Watching it this time around Was Tommy And when Tommy goes back I was like I am so bummed by this But the baby

[00:23:38] I was just like This is really well done No it is well done I'm not sure I'm appreciating The experience of the movie No it is This time around I was compelled Immediately I picked up the remote And I was just like What with the sheets

[00:23:51] Is still the moment that I can deal with the toilet Just the length of it Yeah You know If that was five seconds You'd be like Okay but like The fact that we then We're with him in the bed For a minute Yes And then of course

[00:24:04] The follow up scene Yes That is so like This is based on vignettes Like that scene Is like this was something That was a vignette scene And I think that is also Just it's And this is a Scottish film Obviously it's Scottish But it's so British

[00:24:17] They're so fucking obsessed with You know Caca Poop and Caca poop Poop and butts and dicks You know what I mean In that weird way Where they're like Such a proper country So many ways of animals They're so like Scatological and silly You know what I think

[00:24:31] Is a weird choice It's maybe the only thing I'll ding boil for In this movie And I'm wondering If I'm gonna get Pushback from you guys on this Knowing who I'm talking to Careful No trains Well no no We'll talk about that Although there actually is

[00:24:45] There is one train I have something to say About that too Me too When Spud passes out in the bed And Shirley Henderson She looks at his cock And she's like Not that good I'm like It's pretty good Excuse me I know This is my point I'm like

[00:25:00] If I'm Danny Boyle That's a funny beat on page You get on set Bremner's like I'm good to go Here we go Here's what I look like Shows his dick You go like We're now framing this film That's not gonna work I'm like I'm pretty good penis

[00:25:13] Or you do inverse prosthetics One of the only times in film Where you make it smaller Tuck it down Give him a micro Some kind of perspective trick I don't know There's something you can pull off Don't show the dick His dick is really fucking good Or whatever

[00:25:24] You know what And I'm surprised I'm like good for Spud And then she's saying The exact opposite thing But maybe What the hell does she want She's addicted She's addicted to the biggest dicks In the world And it's soft It's soft It's soft And it's foreskin too

[00:25:38] Which can often Make it look a little tucked up David's giving a Poncho for my first new group So Trane's funny Wait wait wait Can I Okay I have gifts for you guys I got you guys Oh you said you had something Something I'll say it's a surprise

[00:25:55] Is it plaster cast of you And Brent Merz penis Yeah Now that it's come out I mean I should get them out It is Okay so I wanted to get you guys Something from the movie So I found a prop store Like an eBay store Sure

[00:26:07] An UK eBay store So like do you guys know Why it's called train spotting And there's a couple answers to this In the book There's a bit Where they're at a train station Old man comes to them And goes what are you guys doing

[00:26:18] A bit of train spotting And that guy turns out to be Bagby's dad Is that right Oh really Yeah And apparently the scene is in T2 Oh interesting That's why the book Is called that I read But what's Well there is the whole Like train spotting

[00:26:33] Is like when people would just Take down the numbers of trains Passing by So train spotters Are a type of person Uh huh There's that guy on Tiktok now I was gonna say You know this guy with the head camera And it's like a fisheye lens

[00:26:44] And he's like Here I am I'm in Edinburgh Waverley today And there's gonna be a 305 Coming in And then like a train Comes and he's like Oh very good And he switches to this like Head camera Where his eyes are like weirdly It's like this Overly wide lens

[00:26:57] That's mounted on a helmet On top of his face So his whole head looks like E.T. Oh wow And he goes to train station And he's like I'm gonna go to the train station And I'm gonna go to the train station

[00:27:05] And I'm gonna go to the train station And I'm gonna go to the train station And he goes to train station At like 4 o'clock in the morning And it's like I think it might come I think it might come And he's a modern day train spotter Yes

[00:27:14] To me The idea of it is like Cause train spotters Especially when you're in the 90s They would be these weirdos Who are standing at the front Of the platform usually Sure And they would kinda just be Standing there alone Maybe with a little book

[00:27:25] And they look like drug addicts Right Because they're just kinda Like standing there You know and like And also what they were doing Was so obscure Even to me as like A lover of trains Like they would be obsessed With specific engines Or whatever You know

[00:27:38] We've talked about this before That you really want to see this movie I'll talk about that Okay we'll get to it But Charles Okay well There's that There's several I think that there's supposedly Like several reasons for the title One of them is this prop

[00:27:49] Which I was actually able To get from this place Oh my god Thanks for Ben So these are Easter eggs I got Manila envelopes So this prop is in One of the scenes If you remember And it's an easter egg Within the scene And it's actually why

[00:28:03] The movie is called Train Spotting It's a pair of Hanes White underwear With train Y fronts To be clear With train written on the back And then just A little spots of blood Yes On the rear Right On the seat Yes on the seat One might say

[00:28:22] What is this in the movie? They said it's in the movie And I paid 400 euros each And you just were like Even though I just watched the movie Yeah that's in the movie Must be in the movie I'm pretty sure it's in the movie They won't tell me

[00:28:37] Like what frame But I've been told I've been told That this is in the movie Yeah Wow And like And these envelopes Were clearly This is the Sent in the mail He was blank They disappeared It was a courier service An unlabeled courier service At UK Film Props

[00:28:58] Wonderful I love too that they Silk screen this And this is an ironed on Yeah Yeah Well it was the 90s It was a different time Can you believe I spent that much I cannot Energy thinking about making this Well and also that you have a

[00:29:12] You have an At UK Film Props Written on here Not an account that exists I'm gonna confess I did a swift google You would know Came up with a serial number Alright anyway So thank you so much for our incredible cam This was a great show

[00:29:26] It's got period spotting And it says train on It might not be period It's at So thank you It might not be period That's some ass spotting It could be ass spotting That's some back of the They're gonna go on our Menagerie Our hall of bling check

[00:29:41] There you go Display Thank you Thank you so much You're welcome You're such a sweetie It's pretty expensive David tell the story What oh my mom Yes Oh yeah No no I mean just This one comes out in 1996 I'm living in I'm 10 years old Okay

[00:35:34] It's a very It'd be very easy To make a sort of Polemic film Christiane F Sort of tragic Basketball Diaries Was he said the whole thing He didn't wanna make And he said I think If you're gonna make A movie about drugs You have to acknowledge

[00:35:48] That these drugs are Pretty fantastic He was like There's a reason people Take them Right But there's This thing breaks All the rules About drug movies I feel like Yeah It starts with them Being like we're done Yeah, like, and, but yeah, and it, no, you're right.

[00:36:06] It represents the pure pleasure of it too. What's up? What's up? Well, what's up, David? Is that, um... I mean, I think that it's also because, not to like skip around to like the biggest picture points, but like, it's because it's one of the few,

[00:36:19] like, you think about like Requiem for a Dream and it's like, I mean, that movie is about drugs. You know, like, a lot of movies about drugs are about drugs. And like, when I was watching stuff about the campaign for this movie, it's like they really emphasized

[00:36:31] this is a movie about heroin, so that it would be like polarizing and like all the sensational stuff. But it's like, it's not that the core, like, themes and messages as I was like watching it as an adult this time, I was like,

[00:36:42] this movie seizes you because it's like truly existential. Like, this movie is really profound. It's about like a sort of provocative nihilism about systems and about like how... Mid-90s, when everyone's like, is history over? Why are we all just fucking buying stuff? And living our boring lives?

[00:37:01] What are we gonna do with ourselves? It's a cut above that too, because it's even... It's somehow more timeless than a Gen X thing that's sort of like everything sucks because then like Danny Boyle comes in and he makes it joyful and he makes it fun.

[00:37:16] And the ending, and I don't wanna just like cut right to the ending, but like... The sentimentality of the ending is so complicated. It ends in this way that it's like, this is such a complicated movie. And it's about working inside of a system

[00:37:33] that you can't get out of. And the options within that system. And like the freedom that you can attain isn't a freedom outside of the system. It's a freedom of giving in to a part of the system, which is like really hard.

[00:37:47] Like it's really hard to like process that and like accept how many balls it's juggling thematically at the same time. It's amazing. It is not just like we're selling out. No, not at all. I'm a sellout, right? It's like this system fucks me over,

[00:38:01] so I'll fuck people over and now I'm free. But I'm not free, but it's okay. You know, like... Well, I am free, but it's limiting and I can't do this for very long without possibly dying or being imprisoned. But I feel alive by cooperating with

[00:38:18] like an oppressive aspect of the system and reacting to it. Let's crack open the dossier. I can't do that. I don't have that. David! I just want to point out, in 1999, the BFI did sort of like its version of the AFI's top 100 and this film was 10th.

[00:38:34] 1999, so only three years after the film came out. And the other movies in the top ten are like what you would expect. Like Third Man, Brief Encounter, Launchery, The 39 Steps, Great Expectations. That's 20th. But you know, it's just all... Don't look now. Sorry, The Red Shoes is the...

[00:38:51] Oh, okay. But like, you know, British classics. And like in 99, in 96, 99, it was like, yeah, Trainspotting. That's like, that's as totemic. That's how it felt in Britain. The AFI list. When they do the AFI list in 99 or 2000, whatever it is, and they put Schindler's List

[00:39:09] in the top ten and that's like, oh, this is the one modern recent film that they're immediately elevating to that level. That's a movie about the Holocaust by the man who is the most established director in America at that point. That's a savior. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Comfortable. Yeah.

[00:39:24] Trainspotting. So, yes, it's based on the debut novel of Irvin Welch. It was published in 1993, which sounds like Ben has read. I have read this. I've been a million years. Charles, listen to the audio book. It was kind of like, can't do this. I can't claim.

[00:39:39] I read it. It's got that cool cover. To me, an iconic cover. Show me the cover again. Gold? Gold-based cover. I think it's two skull masks. Two guys wearing skull masks. It's so scary. Oh, right. It was one of those classic, kind of like the Exorcist book cover

[00:39:53] where it was like you would see it in a house and be like, what is that? Um, and it is sort of famously written in like mostly in like Scots dialect. So it's like kind of impenetrable. Very... But very cool. Similar to Clockwork Orange. Right.

[00:40:06] It has a glossary even, you know, at the back that you have to refer to to understand a lot of the slang. And when I was a kid, well, by the time I was a teenager, trainspotting was just like ingrained in British culture.

[00:40:16] But like it still was a cool thing to read. Cool thing to read, trainspotting. I don't think I had it. I don't think I knew about it until... Well, I grew up... In Britain, Irvin Welsh is kind of a celebrity. Like he was just around.

[00:40:26] My David Origen story is I grew up in Mexico and I think that that movie maybe didn't make it. Sure. I think it maybe didn't make it. Scottish heroine ad. Yeah, I think we maybe didn't get it. Did trainspotting even come out in Mexico? It probably came out.

[00:40:40] I missed him because I definitely saw Scream. You know, there were movies of that year I saw. Yeah. I didn't realize it was Welsh in the movie. Yes, he's the panicked drug buyer. Right, he's the guy that gives them the suppositories. He's making choices. He's really good.

[00:40:57] He is, yeah. I thought it was Anthony Held for a second. He looks kind of similar. He's funny. He has a weird vibe. IMDB says it wasn't released in Mexico until 2016. Okay. Wow, 2016. Like when they did like a re-release.

[00:41:10] A brand new, I guess probably in advance of the sequel. Yeah. Oh, sure. That makes sense. So Irvin Welsh writes this book. He actually sells the rights to Nolgay, which is the production company that makes Griffin. Griffin's favorite show, Red Dwarf.

[00:41:20] A classic British sitcom about life on a spaceship. Hard to describe, but a dwarf. And then... The last four survivors. Of? A robot, two people who hit each other, and a stylish cat man. Correct. Yeah, it's a great show. And they love curry. Yes. Yeah, anyway.

[00:41:37] But then he catches wind that like the triumvirate of British cinematic cool who just made a movie called Shallow Grave, Danny Boyle, John Hodge, and Andrew McDonald, the producer. Everyone's in all the areas they're talking about, but they're like, oh, my God, these three.

[00:41:50] Yeah, they were kind of like this package. Yes. And especially because it is so hard to overstate how fucking uncool Britain had been for 25 years, basically. Right? And then in the 90s, right when I'm arriving, right, well, one might say... Coincidence? Coincidence? You dare.

[00:42:09] But right in the mid-90s, it's like, whoa, Britain's cool again, right? You're not making Shirley Valentine, you're making like... Uh, right, exactly. Making things that are culturally important in the 70s and 80s. But they're chariots of fire. Well, there's that, but it's...

[00:42:22] Or it's the Smiths where it's like, you know, I love them, but like they're... And they are cool, but like they're not like, you know, they're miserable. I mean, I love them, but they make you feel melancholy. That could be cool. I mean, there's punk music, obviously.

[00:42:36] That's our big, you know, 70s exploit. It makes the UK look so cool. This movie is like, oh, my God, the fantasy of like the 90s and like the clubbiness and like everyone's horny and dirty. Oh, yeah. Those like early days. You're nailing it. Smegmapalooza. Smegmapalooza.

[00:42:51] Uh, so much Smegma. But the like early, like just all the house parties, like the dance parties that they're portraying in this movie, I'm so nostalgic for that. Just like early rave and like techno culture. Like we didn't really even have, I think,

[00:43:05] that same thing in America. It was very different. But I feel like our age group had some little full circle. Like that, like early 2000s hipster, like 2007. I was like, there's like a spud outfit when they go like walking through and he's wearing like a vertical stripes

[00:43:21] and like skinny jeans. And I'm just like, I absolutely was wearing that when I was like, I thought I had invented it. I realized watching this, and I liked this movie a lot as I when I watched as a teenager,

[00:43:33] but I didn't think of it as like a seminal impact movie for me. I realized there was absolutely year of high school where I was trying to look like McGregor in this movie. Tiny tees. You're a petite boy. Undersized tees, skeletal, super pale shaved head.

[00:43:48] I like had the exact same look. And I think part of it was me recognizing, oh, this guy also has zero body fat. Yeah, I can play this card. Looks like a ghoul. I should try to do the other elements and I never looked as good as him.

[00:44:01] You were a converse guy too, right? Yes. I mean, I feel like you've always kind of sort of... I was. Excuse me, I was also a converse. Get that fuck out of here. Yeah, but see, I wanted to look like you. I was this big galoot. Sure.

[00:44:14] And I was like, I wish I could shop at the women's aisle in Topshop. That's what I would buy. I wanted to look like you. And Ben wanted to look like me. This is the whole thing about body positivity, guys. But I'm serious.

[00:44:26] But yeah, I wanted to be wayflike because my best friend was this wayflike boy and everything fit him and I was like, he's so fucking cool. No, I'd buy vintage children's t-shirts with the stretched out collars.

[00:44:37] It's the exact look he has for the first half of this movie. The fashion in this, man. But I look bad. I want to make it clear. I look bad. I didn't pull it off. He looks incredible. I bet you were a cutie.

[00:44:46] I bet you were a cutie. I bet you were a cutie. It took some time. But that was around the same time. That was like early, mid 2000s. I do feel like there was a processing of... Mm-hmm. But it was more of an affectation

[00:44:59] rather than that being like an organic sort of movement. You obviously have the Chloé Sevigny kids, Harmony Corrine, thrift shop, New York style. But it does feel like there was a point in 2004 where New York became a little train spotting-y.

[00:45:14] The strokes kind of come to mind maybe as an example to point to of sort of having a similar fashion sense. All the, what you want, Mimi in the bathroom. Yeah. Right. Well, it's that sort of post-punk thing where it's a little bit mod,

[00:45:27] but it's also a little bit new wave. And then it's also kind of EDM, like mid 90s. And then we did it again for our generation, like in 2007, where we were being like hipsters with that mod stuff. And then now it doesn't really exist.

[00:45:43] It's not really... But rock and roll doesn't exist. Now it's like curated because, you know, TikTok and like Gen Z kids are trying to like... Modern culture is a fetid pit. Well, and it's also just like white people have had enough time in the cool spot. Yeah.

[00:45:58] That's sort of like time to move on. These are Scottish people. Yes. A very unusual breed. I mean, that monologue Hugh McGregor gives... I said this before you were here. That monologue, any Scottish person can recite that. It's so good. It's the best, that monologue. Um...

[00:46:14] Lowest of the low. I get fucked it up. I went to Billy Connolly on that one. Go on, do it. He'd be fun in this one. He'd be Mother Spirit. I mean, it's so funny how that monologue like... They just don't go up the mountain.

[00:46:27] Like Tommy's like, let's go up this mountain. And then he like gives that monologue. And then he's like, fine, let's just go home. I want to talk about that train station. This is so... Also, I mean, speaking of complicated about friend dynamics. I mean, like growing up,

[00:46:39] I had a group of friends that I feel like I related... Wow. That I related to this group of friends and that we kind of all didn't really like each other and were kind of mean to each other. But also loved each other. Yeah.

[00:46:56] And we're all kind of stuck with each other is almost kind of the way it felt. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's that thing too of like when you're growing up with people, like you don't realize that your friends at the time like have personality disorders.

[00:47:06] That they're like actually like very deeply fucked up people. And but like those are the options you have. And then you become completely enmeshed with them. And then looking back, you're like, that person was literally a sociopath and they were my best friend.

[00:47:17] Or sometimes you might even have the experience where you see them later in life. And they're like, I was the worst. Like I was like really messed up. I was the problem. Yeah. Yeah. And you're like, I guess you were.

[00:47:28] You do go like, why does Tommy hang out with junkies? Why do any of them hang out with Begbie? Well, why does anyone hang out with Begbie is the big one. That is a guy where I'm like, I might cut him out of my...

[00:47:39] I guess he would just find me. They're scared of him. Yeah. I think they can't get rid of him. Like, he's just like, these are my... The only people I can hang out with are like these extreme addicts. Right, right. They're the only people who actually tolerate me.

[00:47:51] All right. So, Irvin Welch sees Shallow Grave. Okay. And he's like, fuck. Like that's the energy I want. Like this is awesome. It's sort of a British Mean Streets moment. Absolutely. Right? Where it's like, oh my God, here's this exciting new star, this exciting new director.

[00:48:07] These guys are going to do big things. And so Danny Boyle and Andrew McDonald and John Hodge approach him apparently. Danny Boyle wrote him a letter and he called John Hodge and Andrew McDonald the two most important Scotsman since Kenny Dugleish and Alex Ferguson, which is really funny.

[00:48:24] They're two football guys. Football player and a football manager. But I just like that he was like, Boyle was clearly like, look, I'm not Scottish. I get it. I get it. But before you get mad at me, these two guys are so fucking Scottish.

[00:48:36] So like, they're not going to mess that up. I promise. Like we'll have the gestalts of like, you know, working class Scottish life. And then the way Irvin Welch puts it is he like reads the screenplay and I think for Shallow Grave, he like reads John Hodge's screenplay

[00:48:52] for Shallow Grave and says, there's nothing I can teach this guy about screenwriting. I'm just going to get out of the way. Like, this seems fine. John Hodge and Andrew McDonald could be in the movie. Like John Hodge looks like Sick Boy and Andrew McDonald looks like Spud.

[00:49:08] They like kind of are those guys. Uh, John Hodge is a cutie pie. And he seems gay. Like I was looking at interviews with him and I can't find it because no one is interested in putting that on Google. We're asking. Uh, John Hodge, get in touch.

[00:49:24] Uh, we'll talk about him plenty because he made many movies with him. John Hodge from the past, get in touch. Well, fine. Jeez, damn. John Hodge from the present read for film. No, he's actually kind of cute, but what am I going to do? Marry that man? No.

[00:49:34] Maybe he could. Don't question it. And Andrew McDonald's brother, of course, is Kevin McDonald, which you may know. He was a fairly big documentary director. Who is also the brother of Kelly McDonald. Really? No. No, they're not related to her. Because they talk about her.

[00:49:50] They found her out of nowhere. Why did I think Kelly McDonald and Kevin McDonald were? I didn't think her and Andrew McDonald were related. That's why... But they are the heirs to McDonald. They are the heirs who built the thing.

[00:49:59] Well, the other thing is they are, I believe, the grandchildren of a little guy called Emerick Pressburger. Ever heard of him? Okay. Um, but, uh, yeah. I don't think Kevin was specifically related to Kelly. Okay. Yes, Kevin did Last King of Scotland. Yeah, exactly. He did...

[00:50:14] A lot of documentaries. Right. He was the big documentary. One day in September, Touching the Void. And then he switched to, um... Yeah. Fiction films. And I feel like he was less good at those. Although, Last King of Scotland's all right. Last King of Scotland's a good movie.

[00:50:26] What did he do recently? Uh, The Mauritanian. Right. A movie that absolutely exists. Yeah, right. It's a lot of stuff like that. Like, and he does a lot of documentaries where, no offense, it feels like he's kind of doing it for money.

[00:50:41] Like, he did the Whitney Houston documentary. I think he did an Oasis documentary. No. There's something else about Oasis. I don't know. It doesn't matter. Anyway. Doesn't matter. These guys are all on board. Uh, well, I think they first read the book when they're making Shallow Grave.

[00:50:54] And they're just like, this is like a brilliant, youthful thing. Like, this is perfect for us. And, uh, they had to pry the rights away from Nolge. Okay. The publisher? Yeah. The people who'd initially, he'd initially sold them to.

[00:51:09] And it was one of those kind of things where they're like, well, we didn't have any plans for this, but you're interested? Sure. Money, please? Yes. Um, the other thing is that Scott Rudin was circling them post Shallow Grave, which makes sense. That was always his move.

[00:51:23] He'd wait for someone to make the one movie on their own, and he'd come in and be like, I will fight all your fights for you. He was like, what do you want to make? I'll help. You know, like, he's sniffing around.

[00:51:31] Yeah. One said Weinstein got it here at least. Well, that's true. Yeah. Miramax does pick it up. Um, but, uh, but it's not made by Miramax. It's made by Channel 4, which is a British TV channel. News station. I mean, they do have news. Yeah. Local news.

[00:51:47] No, Channel 4 in Britain, especially in the 90s, that was the cool channel. It was the BBC. You had four channels. There were only four channels. I'm not joking. Go on. There's BBC One. That's the big one. Roku. Then BBC Two. Freeview. BBC... Freeview!

[00:52:03] No, BBC Two, which was like the other BBC channel, but it was a little more fun. Like, Buffy was on BBC Two. And then ITV, which was the first private channel. Uh-huh. And then in the 80s, they were like, we should have a second private channel.

[00:52:15] It's getting a little boring. Just these two channels, but you know, BBC, ITV. So they bring in Channel 4, and Channel 4 was cool. Channel 4 had like cool alternative stuff. Now, the Ming-T song BBC... I know. ...taught me that BBC One, BBC Two, BBC Three,

[00:52:29] BBC Four, BBC Five, BBC Six, BBC Seven, BBC Heaven. Right, but they actually... Which if you count is actually eight total channels. They did actually add three and four later when cable came around. And when did BBC Heaven come around? It's still in the works.

[00:52:41] Um, and now is it just like BBC streaming platform? Well, now I don't even know what it is now. But like, you know, they've all got, yeah, I mean... BBC Plus, BBC Max? Yeah, they've all got all that shit. Um, but you know, when I was a kid,

[00:52:54] and I remember I moved to England, and in America, I had cable. I was used to many channels. Sure. And I was like, they only have four fucking channels. What is this? You go one, two, three, four, and I'm like five's coming up,

[00:53:03] and you go right back down to one. Why? What do you mean why? Great question. Why do they only have four channels? Well, it's no different than like ABC, NBC, Fox. You know what I mean? Like, it was just like the networks. Sure. That's it, though.

[00:53:16] If you got a fucking satellite dish, you could get sky. Well, I guess they weren't producing as much as the states probably, and then they didn't have like international acquisition money. In the 90s, they start to show American TV more and more.

[00:53:30] But like Seinfeld would be on at like 1135. Yeah. And like there would be these ads on British TV, like, do you know what the most popular American show is? And it'd be like, you know, is it ER? No. And they'd be like, it's Seinfeld.

[00:53:42] Anyway, fucking stay up late if you want to watch it. You have to remember, Ben, also that like half of the TV made in the UK is made by the government. Yeah. You have to pay a fee to own a television in Britain. A yearly fee.

[00:53:59] I thought it was just that you would pay some taxes towards the production of all this stuff. That's how it works. You pay a license fee every year. You pay money to the government to own a TV that can receive television.

[00:54:12] If you don't, if you want to be one of those, I don't even own a TV people, then they go, fine. Then you don't have to pay for our TV shows that we the government make. But they're basically saying if you have one, you gotta pony up.

[00:54:22] When I was in college, I had a TV in my room, in my dorm. But I didn't have, I didn't plug in the antenna. So it didn't receive television. I only used it to watch DVDs. And I could've plugged in TV and watched... Exactly. Region one, region two.

[00:54:37] I could've plugged in my TV and watched like the BBC. But then you would've had to pony up. Well, they might've found me. And they would do these ads where they were like, we're watching. If you don't pay your license fee, knock, knock, who's there? It's like Brazil.

[00:54:49] I mean, it's just, that's the vibe. Wow. But that's why when the BBC shows something you object to, you can call the government and be like, I don't like that! I didn't like that you did that. My money paid for this rather than David Zaslav paying for it.

[00:55:02] And there's no ads. BBC has no ads. And there's more nudity. I mean, Britain's got lots of nudity. There's no doubt about that. Including train spotting. Yeah. Plenty of dicks. Hell yeah. At least two. Good dicks. Good dicks. The thing they kept on saying in these interviews,

[00:55:18] obviously, we're not going to make it shortcuts. They kept on using shortcuts as the reference point, I guess because that had been pretty recent, successful. Very recent, early. This is not what we're trying to do. We're going to streamline it from Renton's perspective. Boyle's big thing of like,

[00:55:31] we have to show what's fun about these drugs. This can't be like an anti-drug screed. You need to show the highs of their life. Otherwise, the thing doesn't make sense. It can be fun at times. The movie needs to be fun at times.

[00:55:44] But the other thing he said was, the three of them made what he referred to as a blood pact, that the movie had to be 90 minutes. And he was just like, conceptually... More people should do that. Yeah. He was just like,

[00:55:55] the energy of this film will not be able to sustain for over 90 minutes if we start like this, if we hit the ground running. And you audiences, it just doesn't matter if the scenes are good. At a certain point, they're going to get burnt out.

[00:56:06] They won't want to spend more time with these characters. In this world. And there were a lot of good deleted scenes, and he just kept on saying like, the only reason we cut the scene is because we had to hit 90 minutes.

[00:56:15] And you watch them, the scenes are really good on their own. They're mostly about the other characters. And he was like, look, streamlining, focus on Renton, whatever. But the 90-minute blood pact thing was maybe the single smartest move they made. It's a strange but great structure too.

[00:56:30] Like it's really... I love... I love a lot of movies where now as a writer, I'm like, no, everything has to serve a greater purpose of the story and whatever. I've just become brainwashed by trying to like be hard on myself. But then you watch movies like this,

[00:56:43] and it's like, this is really just about like setting a world, like setting a stage, exploring characters. And I mean, what it is doing is like, it does increase the stakes on some level emotionally to like see Rent go through all this stuff.

[00:56:59] So that by the time you're ready for him to get sober, he's like, I'm going to be like, so that by the time you're ready for him to get sober again and like clean up, you're like invested in it. That's really all it is though.

[00:57:09] And besides that it's just sort of like, yeah, you could actually cut like everything except for the last act, you know? And that would be your story. If I submitted this script to anyone in Hollywood, they'd be like, this isn't...

[00:57:18] This isn't gonna be like this. Like this is insane. That's why Danny Boyle's an incredible director. Like the direction of this movie glues what could be not a great movie together. But I'd also just feel like the sort of crucial point post Shallow Grave is like,

[00:57:31] Hollywood is like, the door's open. Come here now. Right? And they're like, I don't know. And like, Andrew McDon... No, no, Boyle says he had like a phone call with Sharon Stone, who's like, you know, hot shit in 1994. And she's like, I loved Shallow Grave.

[00:57:48] Like, do you want to make a movie with me? And Danny Boyle, as he puts it, is like, I didn't really know how to behave about this stuff. But then he reads Trainspotting, and he's like, no, I want to do this.

[00:57:58] But I just feel like it's like, they're all like, let's not do some Hollywood project. Let's make a one million pound movie about heroin addicts in Scotland. Obviously, the book was a big deal. Not like a number one bestseller. But still, not the Bible.

[00:58:12] And they were thinking about doing the Bible. They were. Follow up to Shallow Grave. Boyle had a take. But, uh... 90-minute blood path. If you spend more than a minute in the Bible. Yeah, maybe I would've read the Bible. The book blazes with honesty. It's compelling.

[00:58:27] It's disturbing. It's revolting. But you want to continue with it. It takes this group of people who've been sidelined. You're still talking about the Bible. Yeah, exactly. This is Danny Boyle talking about the story of Adam and Eve. Yeah, and Job and all those fuckers.

[00:58:39] It takes this group of people who've been sidelined. And we all do it. We all sideline junkies as something lower than human. It smashes them straight back into your field of vision. And it says, consider them as human beings. Uh, so, you know, Danny Boyle.

[00:58:53] That's what he's getting at there. It is funny. I mean, the thing you're talking about, of Danny Boyle, like, okay, here you go, indie breakout movie, Hollywood comes calling. Sharon Stone is offering you a 40 or 50 million dollar movie. And he's like, let me slow my brakes.

[00:59:07] Let me stay in this before I jump over to Hollywood. And now that same decision is like, you make a first movie for one eighth of what this movie cost. And the second movie they offer you is a 200 million dollar movie.

[00:59:19] Like, the leap is so much greater now. And it's still... But also, it is, like, unfortunately, rare that someone does the Danny Boyle move of like, I should stay in this pocket for a little longer. I don't need to make the jump yet.

[00:59:34] I should keep doing what I'm doing. He does make the jumpy struggle. But well, I mean, not struggle. For a while, though. Yeah. Some weird movies. As Irvin Welsh puts it, To Me, Trainspotting is not a drug film. It's about the vibrancy of youth.

[00:59:45] About how people adapt to changing circumstances. Do you think I'm young? In a world where drugs replaced employment. You're younger than me, so you're young. Uh, I think you're younger than me. Um, yeah, of course. You're the vibrancy of youth written all over you. Oh.

[00:59:59] And Irvin Welsh is like, my writing is about how drugs have become unremarkable. Like, drugs and drink have become less recreational, more just a way of life. Because people have fuck all else to do. Sure. And, uh, you know, they make this movie, but they're just very...

[01:00:14] Like you're saying, Griffin, like, they're very intent on like, this does not need to be hard-hitting realism. And this does not need to be brutally depressing. As much as it will be about brutally depressing things, it needs to be fun. It needs to be fun and watchable.

[01:00:26] And make it cartoonish. Yeah. It's constantly fun. It is making a choice every... It's making like a million choices every second. It just makes you feel like, I should make more choices. When you take drugs, you have a fucking great time, says Danny Boyle. Unless you're unlucky.

[01:00:38] Look, I don't like every one of Danny Boyle's movies, although I do overall like his filmography. Uh, but the thing about him even in his worst films is you get the sense he does not take any decisions for granted. Right? There's never just a bait,

[01:00:56] what's the normal obvious way to just get this scene done. There's so much deliberate thought put into every shot setup, every sequence. It reminds me a little bit of... It's weird to compare about Baz Luhrmann. Like watching Elvis, I was like, you know,

[01:01:11] I don't even know if I like this movie or don't like this movie. All I know is that I'm watching someone make as many choices as possible. And there is not just like, you know... You're like, people don't make a lot of choices nowadays.

[01:01:24] Like it's better to make them than not. And a lot of Danny Boyle movies, like, he can get tacky. Like he can do stuff where suddenly everything's sped up. And like, you know... He's not afraid of tackiness. And sometimes it works for him and sometimes maybe...

[01:01:39] And he's got a little bit of that English straight boy thing that I don't mind being racist to that country. Um, but like, you know, that sort of like, we're gonna fucking take it there. Then he's like, okay.

[01:01:52] You know, just like shut up. Like you're so proud of it. That's how British people think about Americans. But yes, but there's that... We're gonna fucking take it there. All right. All right. But you know what I mean? We are going to fucking take it there.

[01:02:04] Look, I love British people, whatever. But also like the sort of like the being proud of how sensational you are, you know, is like... In your face. It's just so straight. You know, and like it's a straight boy, especially the flavor of that.

[01:02:20] And so like, but he counters it with a je ne sais quoi that makes it work. And in this movie too, it's like the sort of... There's an art boy thing in it that is really fun. Like I'm just like everything is...

[01:02:35] The colors are like green, red and lavender. That's crazy. But it works so well. Every apartment looks like a Francis Bacon painting. And it is also you mentioned already, but like the way they dress is like... It looks like they don't have any money,

[01:02:50] but they look really cool and interesting. And they have so many clothes. No one is ever repeating something. But it feels like they're just raiding vintage shops for no money. And they're getting all these weird like 60s and 70s items and like matching them around. Like right?

[01:03:03] There's that thing that I just saw. The girls look more normal. The girls wear like party dresses and nice clothes. Which I kind of... Because they're not as fucked up as the boys. They're not as fucked up. But there is that... I mean, I'm of two minds.

[01:03:13] Because there's a part of me that like, you know, as a gay boy, I always wanted the girl action figures to be just as cool as the boy ones. Or be like, wait, why isn't there a girl one? The Shirley Henderson action figure in this movie

[01:03:22] is really worth her. Yeah. Well, Kelly McDonald is like... She's opening and closing the sheets. Yeah. Mm-hmm. The Kelly McDonald is as like ready baked as it is the most ready baked of... But like she even kind of drops off. She does.

[01:03:39] Like by the end you're kind of like, oh, I could have had a little bit more of her flavor. They cut... They cut her down. They cut her stuff. Because she's a fun... She's got a fun thing going too. But the woman who loses the baby...

[01:03:51] Fiona Bell is the actress. Fiona Bell. She's great. She's really good. But there is a part of me that's like, but imagine like in, you know, some English Annie Potts character actor like in some sort of Cyndi Laupery. Sure.

[01:04:05] You know, like if she had been just as fun and flavorful, like I kind of would have been more into the groove of that, you know, but whatever. I get that everyone has to be sort of like a grounded... A grounded counterpoint. It's a very boy movie.

[01:04:16] And like all my friends who loved it were... Well, maybe that's not true actually. But you know, so it was this big boy movie. I was gonna say, I just saw the... All the Beauty and the Bloodshed. Mm. Great movie.

[01:04:28] And there's the part in that where Nan Gold is talking about like living in apartment Alphabet City with like 18 other artists and like multiple drag queens, most of whom are doing dope day and night. Right. And she said like every single day we went to Goodwill.

[01:04:42] Right, right, right. There's always gonna be new shit. Like that was the priority. Every day. Because you want to be glamorous and you have no money. Yeah. I mean, to me the biggest challenge if I'm fucking Danny Boyle and it's the fucking 90s

[01:04:55] and he talks about this, like heroin is a boring drug and that it makes you want to go to sleep. Sure. Like so like how do you rep... Like it's like... And he's saying like this was ecstasy's era in Britain. Like that is the drug people were doing.

[01:05:07] Like in the mid 90s. Everyone's doing MDMA and you know, got a glow stick, right? The listener at home, David, is doing such a cool dance. That's really beautiful. And like obviously there's tons of coke movies, but the heroin movies tend to be sleepy and depressing.

[01:05:20] Yeah. And this movie kind of feels more like coke and ecstasy than it does heroin actually. But they are doing heroin. It's got... It's more of a roller coaster than heroin probably feels like. But I feel like Danny Boyle's just like, I'm just gonna ignore that vibe

[01:05:32] and I'm gonna make this zippy movie. Yeah. And they are self-destructive. Doing heroin is a very self-destructive thing to do. And so... No, no, right, you're right. You should just do it. But like, so it's like, I mean, the first shot of the movie

[01:05:43] is Renton getting run over. Yeah. Looking at the car and just looking with like manic glee. It's manic. And then of course when you cut back to that moment an hour later, you're like, oh, he's completely fucking lost it. Like he's so at the bottom.

[01:05:55] But like when you're watching it for the first time, you're like, yeah, he doesn't give a shit. He's just running. The other thing I love about that opening is just the like, the silence, you know, studio logos, whatever. And then the song kicks in on their feet,

[01:06:08] on the sidewalk, running full speed. And it feels like that thing where you're just walking down the street of New York City and then something insane happens around you. Like the vague veneer of calm is interrupted by two people getting in a fist fight

[01:06:20] on the corner or something. It's so trite, but the first time I saw Pulp Fiction and they're having that conversation and then like they pick up their guns and the music starts. Then... And like when I was 14, whenever I saw it,

[01:06:34] I was just like, you know, like you're like jolted up in your seat and the train's playing the exact same thing. It's like a cattle prod thing. It's like, holy shit. I think Run Lola Run has a similar kind of...

[01:06:42] Run Lola Run I just rewatched. Yes it does. Fucking so good. You see Run Lola Run? She's running! That's a cousin. That's a cousin of this movie. Yes. Yeah. And like that's... That's ticked for going, can we do the opening of Train Spotting for the entire movie?

[01:06:56] I feel like that's why it became regarded as trite and it is a little trite because it is kind of like an echo of those movies, right? It's like a little few years later. Well, they just copied Russian Doll too, so...

[01:07:08] That's true. They totally ripped off Russian Doll. Yes. But, you know, it's fun. To your point about heroin, I feel like they... they did take that into consideration though because then when they go... When Ewan McGregor goes to the club later,

[01:07:20] he's talking about how the drugs have changed, the people have changed. But you're supposed to still kind of feel like everyone is getting more plastic, but like if you do heroin, like you are... You're tapping into something a little bit more existential

[01:07:32] and internal than the drugs that we're doing now. And you are on the outside of society. Yeah, yeah. Totally. Whereas if you're doing ecstasy every week at a club, it's like you can fucking go to work. Yeah, exactly. But they know deep cut shit too

[01:07:44] because there's that moment where they're listing off all the prescription drugs and like, you know, when they're like stealing a TV from a retirement home. Like they're listing off names, like, you know, 20 different pharmaceuticals. So it's like they are in drug culture.

[01:07:59] Yeah. And the whole line about the mom and like how the mom does, you know, in her own domesticated way is also like a socially acceptable drug addict. And then it's like you can either do drugs or you can do consumerism. That's like what the movie is saying.

[01:08:13] And there's actually nothing else. Like life has given you nothing else. Or drink constantly all the time. Right, which is what most British people do. I put that into drugs. Yeah, yeah. A drug. Yeah. I mean, everyone... The parents are so accepting in this movie

[01:08:28] in a way of like what their children are doing around them. Like where you're like, what the fuck is going on? I don't want to paint Scotland with a broad brush. But everyone who lives there is in a drunken stupor at all times.

[01:08:39] Well, that's the whole world though. And they eat just like deep fried food all day. It has the... I believe it has the lowest... Like, I should look that up. You know this, and I don't think I'm talking out of school here, David. You can fact check this.

[01:08:51] But I believe this is true. Literally every single person in Scotland is groundskeeper Willie. That's true. Yeah, that is true. And I'm just saying that... That's what was groundbreaking about this movie. For the culture of... Because they stopped being that. Yes. It's a beautiful, beautiful country.

[01:09:05] It's a wonderful country. It's like my favorite part of the United States. It's just really in different outfits. Like you got... There's like a Willie policeman. There's girls in those yellows. There's little baby Willies. Yes. Stuff when baby Willie dies. Oh, it's sad. It's really sad.

[01:09:20] Um, well I feel like they're saying it's either... I'm sorry, David. I know you're on a track. I'm on a track. I've got this dossier going. I know, I know, I know. But I do feel like the movie is saying like there's a binary to life.

[01:09:31] Like there's... The way that life... The ideologies and humanity is structured is like you can either be a consumer or you can be a drug addict. And like being a drug addict is bohemia. And being a consumer is like... You're still a consumer, of course. You're still... Yeah.

[01:09:45] But an either... But at least being a drug addict means that you are seeing through the curtain of the illusion. You're seeing through the illusion of life. That's his whole argument in the opening monologue. Choose life as a statement is choose the thing

[01:09:57] that is purely about experiencing life in that moment. Right, right. Like doing drugs, that's a visceral thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I just love that this movie... It's profound. This movie is simultaneously incredibly exciting to watch. Very funny, busy.

[01:10:11] But also it is about how it is very boring being a drug addict. Being alive. That being alive is boring. That like being a human is just this like cyclical trap, basically. There was that thing where when this movie came out,

[01:10:26] it's the peak of war on drugs in America. Sure, a little bit. Bob Dole was like publicly condemning this movie and saying like, I can't believe there's this movie and they look cool. And the kids and they got their music or whatever.

[01:10:39] And then he did like four or five different public interviews about this. And then finally revealed that he hadn't seen the movie. Right? Sure. Hard to imagine Bob Dole watching Drinks With David. Of course. Maybe he saw it in Mexico in 2016. Yeah, he probably caught it then.

[01:10:52] If you hear this thing as a best-selling soundtrack and everyone looks so cool and hot in the poster and everyone's saying like this movie is so much fun... Yeah. Bob Dole goes like, so what? It's a commercial for heroin? That makes heroin look great?

[01:11:02] I don't think your takeaway from this movie is... No. -...gotta try heroin. It balances the two things out. It's like the point of Boyle's trying to get it. It's how the movie gets away with it. There's a reason people do it in the first place. Right.

[01:11:15] I mean, I always think in that movie, Beautiful Boy, which is bad in my opinion. Uh-huh. But there's that moment in Beautiful Boy where he talks to his dad. Yeah. The Steve Carell movie. Steve Carell and Timothée Chalamet. Timothée Chalamet. And Timothée Chalamet.

[01:11:27] And he's like, dad, I'm doing heroin. And Steve Carell's like, you shouldn't do heroin. He's like, but... And I'm like, there's no... Very bad, no good, don't do it. There's no more to the but. Yeah. He's not gonna be like, no, you don't understand.

[01:11:37] It's really like, I'm really enjoying literature with it. Yeah. Like, you know, there's something you can say. You can't just sort of be like, ah, come on, dad. Like, heroin's fine. You know? You didn't listen to the Wes Bentley WTF, did you? No.

[01:11:49] I'm getting deep back into WTF and texting you when I listen to good episodes. But the Wes Bentley one's really good. Unsurprisingly, on a podcast hosted by Mark Maron, most of the Wes Bentley one is about drug addiction. And them talking about getting over their stuff. And Ben...

[01:12:02] Maron didn't have a thirst for Hunger Games behind-the-scenes gossip? Truly does not come up one time. I can't imagine it worked. It's great, because you're like, that's the only interviewer who would not mention it once. But Bentley insists.

[01:12:14] And listening to it in full, I'm inclined to believe him that he never enjoyed heroin. That he like... Maron was like, well, no, but of course, it's the thing and he tried the first time, it's amazing. And after that, it's terrible every time.

[01:12:27] And he was like, even the first time I didn't like it. He was like, it never worked for me. It truly was just like self-destructive pattern. There were other drugs I enjoyed taking. By the time I hit heroin, I never got any high out of it.

[01:12:39] But like, Maron won't stop interrogating that because he's like, that's impossible. If heroin wasn't that good the first time, no one would take it. If it wasn't that good for the first stretch, no one would take it. And Bentley's like, yeah, I don't know.

[01:12:53] I guess I'm anomaly. My brain's weird. Whatever, it doesn't take. But this movie understands it's like, right, there has to be like radical highs to this thing. Yeah. There have to be these ecstatic sort of moments. I mean, the way that they're acting when they take it

[01:13:06] is like, it's like horny and like heaven. So, the kiss at the beginning. Very nice at the beginning there. Um, obviously, especially, you know, Renton is very androgynous in general as well. He's kind of just like... They kind of all are, which is, you know,

[01:13:20] that's the part that is just... I mean, it's... And also like, you know, everyone, like all European men, the sort of like bi-romantic aspect of like masculinity in every other country that's like coded and confused but still... We all went to boys' school. Yeah.

[01:13:35] I mean, I don't know where Renton went to school, but I went to a boys' school. Well, and then also Begbie is like... Well, but the scene... So, he's like maybe gay. You know what I mean? There's a read on that character. That scene is interesting

[01:13:46] because I sort of vaguely remember it. But then when it came out, I was like, oh, is this going to be like every fucking movie in the 80s and 90s where there's some scene involving a trans person in some way. And we were like, ugh.

[01:13:55] You know, the crocodile Dundee thing, right? We were like, why is this even here? And instead, that scene plays out over a monologue of Renton being like, I don't know, man, sexuality, it's like... It's kind of just like a total spectrum and like, you know, whereas...

[01:14:07] And Begbie's freaking out, but you're like, oh, God, this guy's like so into her life. It's about Begbie instead of about like the trans person in the car. Like it's about like, oh, okay. It's one of those scenes that actually serves to make you understand how dangerous, unhinged,

[01:14:22] and miserable Begbie is. Totally. No, I think that guy's normal and chill. I'd love to hang out with him in a pub, especially if he's got his knife. It's such a funny character. That's a character that I couldn't... When I was younger, it made me...

[01:14:33] I was like, that's a bummer, that guy. And then rewatching him, like, it's really funny. It reminds me of... I want to write a character like that. Like, did you watch T-Tan? Like, just like somebody who just can't stop killing. It's just so funny. It's like, sit down!

[01:14:46] It's so funny that she's like addicted to killing. And also, no one prepares you for... Everyone's into Tan when you're... It's about this woman who's almost like becoming a car or a machine. You're like, cool. No one mentioned to me, it's like, oh, so she just writes.

[01:14:58] She makes out with someone. She's sort of like, I don't want to put this job stick in your head! Um, I had seen the full Monty by the time... Because the full Monty comes out a year later. Yeah, I must... Like by the time I saw Trust Bot.

[01:15:09] It must have been the same for me as well. And I remember the first time I saw Trust Bot, I was like, holy shit, he is so intense and scary and interesting in this movie. Oh, I forgot he's like... He's such a sweetie in Full Monty.

[01:15:17] But also, it was that weird thing of like, these two movies were so fucking humongous back to back. And then it felt like... It's like, I guess Robert Carlyle's a movie star? Right. And then no one really knew what to do with him. He's had a great career.

[01:15:30] Especially in Britain. But there was a period there where it was like, he was being put in a lot of American films and no one could really figure out where to place him. Ravenous. Ravenous? Is he in Ravenous? Plunkett and McClain? Oh, yeah. Well, that Rick...

[01:15:42] Plunkett and McClain, which is him and Johnny Lee Miller. Yeah. That was more of that effort of like, can we just make a British hit that crosses over all the time? And that's one of those where it's like, no. No one wants that. Did he play Hitler too?

[01:15:53] He did a Hitler and everyone was like, why would he play Hitler? Well, because he fucking looks like Hitler. Not in face, but he's light. Yes. Like, you know, he's like a little weedy guy. Hitler, the rise of evil. Boyle was saying that his first instinct was to...

[01:16:06] Thank God it wasn't called Hitler, the rise of good. I wouldn't watch it. Almost was. Hitler, the rise of what? Evil? Oh, okay. Yeah, no, no. You got it. You nailed it. Right. The rise of the Guardian? It's actually separate. It also happens in the film. Yeah.

[01:16:21] Um, what was I going to say about Carlisle? Oh, Boyle said when he read the book, he pictured Begbie looking like Eccleson. And he was like, oh, I should cast Eccleson, my friend who I've worked with. And then he got really into the idea of Carlisle.

[01:16:36] They offered to Carlisle. Carlisle basically turns it down. He's like, I'm too small to play this guy. That's who it would be though. It's like the wire-lucky little fucker. It's gonna be a little guy. He was like, no, you were right the first time.

[01:16:48] It should be someone tall like Eccleson. He's like, it's the short psychos who are the scariest. Also, Carlisle is Scottish and Eccleson is not. Everyone in this movie is Scottish except for John E. Lee Miller. And to me, it's very noticeable

[01:16:59] that John E. Lee Miller is doing like a so-so accent. And everyone else is doing... His weird Connery thing? So John E. Lee Miller is British? Yeah, he's like a posh boy. Which, that fits. He has that spirit too.

[01:17:10] It is so funny that he is now currently playing the Prime Minister of England at the time this movie came out, John Major. Is he really? On the crown. Like who is the most square British Prime Minister ever. And there's competition for that throne. Squarest British Prime Minister.

[01:17:27] But it's just ironic that he now plays John Major. Anyway, John Hodge. While... Let's go back to this. He's working on A Life Less Ordinary post Shallow Grape. That is his imagined next project. Yeah. They hand him Trainspotting and he's like, okay, I'll do my best.

[01:17:46] Like because it's not a book that screams adaptation. He says like everything is, you know, basically like once in this thing. Mm-hmm. So he waters down the slang. He says, I can't... We can't actually like do this. Yes. Yeah.

[01:18:03] And he makes rent in the narrator as we said. He's like, this guy has to be the narrator. And he also feels like this is Irving Welsh. Like he thinks like this is probably the character. Does the book have a narrator or is it just...

[01:18:16] No, it's vignetting, right? I read it a million years ago. The book's weirdly narrated by Morgan Freeman. -...Rise of the Penguins. Hitler, Rise of the Penguins. Man has done heroine. Um... Uh, the hugest inspiration on the voiceover. Can you guess what zippy movie from the 90s

[01:18:34] might have inspired this movie? In the 90s? Oh, because I was gonna say... With a narrator. But 90s zippy... What movie has a narrator the whole fucking time? Yap, yap, yap, and then it rules. Goodfellas. Oh, oh, oh. Makes so much sense.

[01:18:48] Like, you know, and they're still like... They were like, let's do that. Because like it's one of those things where it shouldn't work. Yes. Like it shouldn't work. Like Goodfellas, it's like... It feels like the laziest thing was like... Anyway, so that's Jimmy and that's Tommy.

[01:18:59] And you're like, this is lazy, but it works. Obviously, Goodfellas. Because Goodfellas is about a guy who can't shut the fuck up. You know, it's about guys who can't shut the fuck up. Right, right. Cook energy. Yeah. Exactly.

[01:19:08] And the book is set in the 80s, but they were like, no, it should be set right now. Like it needs to have this kind of like, you know, contemporary feeling. So that's where the music is where it really... And the music is organized chronologically.

[01:19:21] It spans like ten years of British music, even though the movie's not supposed to take place over ten years. It does feel 80s though. Like there was a moment where I had to like double check and be like, this was 96 though, right? Like there is a...

[01:19:33] Well, you know, Britain's slow. Yeah. At like looking cool. You know what I mean? So it was a little behind. Yeah, but I feel like they invented a lot at that time. They did. Anyway, Channel 4 films give them carte blanche. Okay.

[01:19:46] Another word for that might be blank check. And by a blank check, I mean about 1.7 million pounds. So not a blank check, but for them, a lot of money. Six weeks? Yeah, I think seven or six or seven weeks like fat. You know, but...

[01:19:58] One of these things that would now be an absolute luxury. Yeah. Especially if you adjust that budget for inflation, but even without, it's still more than most get. Even getting money would be a luxury. Getting any money. Yeah. Another financier at one point swooped in

[01:20:12] and was offering more money, but they said, you have to get that toilet scene out. It's so gross. And they were like, no. It was a toilet company? Yeah, right. It was Bob's Toilets. They were like, I can't do this. Bob's Toilets sparkles.

[01:20:24] And so they went back to Channel 4. I hadn't seen this movie in... Since high school. So we're talking almost 20 years. Close to 20 years probably. And I remembered so much of it so vividly, but there were things I was surprised by. The order of when things happened or how...

[01:20:40] The fact that the toilet scene happens under ten minutes into the movie. Totally. And it has a like, the angelic thing of like going underwater. It feels like it's some sort of come to Jesus that should happen like three, four cents into the movie. Yeah.

[01:20:54] But it's because the movie's about trying to kick the... It makes sense though. It's like about trying to start fresh. And this is a movie where they start fresh at the beginning and not at the end. It is just such a bold thing to do.

[01:21:04] And part of Boyle's whole take on this of like, I'm not going realistic. Yeah. You know, he can literally crawl into the toilet. His whole body can fit down there. It can look like the fucking Sarlacc pit. And it happens so quickly. So quickly.

[01:21:17] And takes you out of reality. It's so clever. It's the most Terry Gilliam he's ever been. This movie is like more Terry Gilliam than Danny Boyle in a lot of ways. Or it's Danny Boyle doing to Terry Gilliam. The image of him coming out of the toilet

[01:21:28] and spitting the water out, that's like... In every montage of a British movie, like montage. Just the final foot sticking out. Yeah. There's certain images like that that are just so clever. Him sinking as well. It's later when he sinks and we're at the perfect day sequence.

[01:21:44] The carpet is amazing. There is a moment where like an inch of his body is like farther out of the toilet than the hole. And every time I watch it, I'm like, oh God, like one more take. Like they almost did it in mine.

[01:21:56] That's the only thing I read though. Most of this movie was first take. First take used. Yeah. Wow. Because they just didn't have time. Especially with these setups. Yeah. That's the thing that's impressive. You can imagine Boyle not wanting to scale down his ambition

[01:22:09] going like, no, we're putting the camera here. We're doing this move. Everyone's got to be on point. They had two weeks of rehearsals. Another insane luxury that no one gets anymore. But that's the biggest thing where you're like all these actors were so fucking on point.

[01:22:22] Well, there's almost no coverage in the whole movie either too. There's like in the scene after Tommy dies when they're all at the diner together, there's just some like kind of, I mean, it's still like shot very considered shots,

[01:22:33] but they're like, you know, covering people at the table. It's the only every other time it's like, we're going to be in this fisheye and you're going to do the scene right here and it's only going to be in this take or whatever.

[01:22:42] So you McGregor, they give him the script. They're not offering him the role, but they give him the script and he loves it. And they go, can you just staple this for us? Exactly. You make us some copies, goldenrod.

[01:22:55] And he says he later figured out that John Hodge thought he wasn't right for Renton. So he lost a ton of weight. He lost two stone, which is like 25 pounds. Two rocks. Yeah, two rocks. Two stones. Well, I remember reading an interview with him

[01:23:08] and it's in here where he said, like, I just stopped drinking beer. I mean, he was like in his mid-twenties. It's just like the weight just fucking fell off of me. And then he shaved his head. If I stop drinking beer, will I look like him? Definitely.

[01:23:18] And he showed up like with his shaved head looking skinnier and was like, eh. And they were like, all right. Um, yes. Uh, yeah. He says, my wife was my dietitian. I stopped drinking beer and the weight fell off me. Good for you, buddy.

[01:23:33] And then they start to work with this recovery group, Calton Athletic, who are the opposing football players in the football scene. And at one point, Ewan McGregor is like, should I just do heroin? Like, I'm playing a heroin addict. I'm an actor, right?

[01:23:51] And John Hodge apparently was a doctor? Yes, he was. So like, he was like, maybe John Hodge could just get me some, you know, morphine or get me something. And those guys were like, don't fucking... Or actually, I think it was more just he was hanging out

[01:24:05] with those guys and he would be like, it would be so disrespectful of me to just be like, ah, fuck around with some heroin. Because like these guys have been through so much. They taught him how to cook heroin. He said the big thing that helped him

[01:24:15] was just spending enough time around heroin that it got normalized to him that he wasn't like scared to be in the presence of it in order to act out all these scenes. There's a great Boyle quote where he was like, you know, people have this question about like,

[01:24:27] can I make this movie? I haven't done heroin. Do I need to do heroin in order to know how to make this film? And he's like, people don't murder people in order to make movies about murder. 30% of all movies are about murder.

[01:24:39] Yeah. People aren't gay to play gay. Never. Jews never play Jews. Anyway, go on. Yeah. As we mentioned, there had been a staged version of Trainspotting in Edinburgh. Ewan Bradburner had been in it. Doesn't seem like he really had any problem with playing Spud. He said...

[01:24:57] You can feel he had no problem. Yeah. He's like effortless. He's got a great dick. He does have a great dick. He's got no problem doing anything in life. When you got that, when you got that... That's what should happen in that scene. Shirley Henderson should say,

[01:25:11] let's see what we're working with. Pull the sheets down, look at the dick and hand him flowers and leave a bouquet of flowers next to the dick. Like a sound of like an audience clap. I gotta say, that's a pretty good dick.

[01:25:23] Kelly MacDonald, they just had like a fucking cattle call. She'd never acted before. Never acted before. They held at the University of Strathclyde. Hundreds of women came in. Hundreds of women came in. Binders of women. Binders filled with women. And they basically were like,

[01:25:38] we need to find someone who is one, over 18 years old. Two will read as over 18 years old, but then will read also as like a 15 year old. You know who else has done that? Griffin Newman. So they pluck her out of nowhere

[01:25:53] and she goes on to have an incredible career, obviously. Yeah. One of maybe quietly my all time crushes. You're so... I can see why. And also... Thank you. I saw that she's separated now. Sorry to hear that, Kelly. But hey. Well, apparently she got separated five years ago.

[01:26:13] Oh, she was... Oh, she was with many years from the guy from Travis. You know, the Scottish band Travis. I know of. I'm not like a big fan. They're okay. Maybe she wants to be with the guy from blank check with Griffin and David.

[01:26:25] One of my favorite actors too though. But what an incredible debut performance. Yes. I totally agree. And they shoot the film mostly working out of a cigarette factory in Glasgow. This film is set in Edinburgh. Most of it shot on stages. Mostly shot on stages.

[01:26:41] A movie of this budget size would usually try to save that money and put it elsewhere. What do you think was stages? What do you think was cigarette factory? What would have been a stage? They built stages in the cigarette factory.

[01:26:51] I was watching this behind the scenes stuff. It's like a big abandoned, like, 50,000 square foot thing. So they were using that, but almost all of the interiors are soundstages. Like the crash pads feel very like soundstage. But also for Boyle, it's like being able to build it,

[01:27:06] A, not only build it to the exact dimensions and art direct it the way you want to and all of that, but also, like, for all the shot setups he wants to do. You know? It's so much easier to rig things up.

[01:27:15] And all the red lights coming in through the windows. It works. Because it feels like they live in a makeshift place. It feels unreal. Yeah, exactly. It should work. Apparently, this is a gigantic abandoned cigarette factory. They would all roller blade around. Cool.

[01:27:30] Just half and full. Very 90s. The best images is from Danny Boyle. People used to roll a blade on the upper floors while we were shooting, and we'd have to tell them to stop. And they would just roll the blade and they would just stop.

[01:27:39] And they would just roll the blade on the upper floors while we were shooting, and we'd have to tell them to stop because they're making noise. In fact, Johnny Lee Miller and his girlfriend at the time, Angelina Jolie, would be fucking roller blading up a storm

[01:27:50] and they'd be like, can you kids keep it down? It is. It's one of those things that just... He's getting this afterhack. I was gonna say, that doesn't make sense. I know. I know that's the reality of the thing. Yeah. He's like a vague name,

[01:28:02] as is Ewan, obviously. Right. But he's almost more the money guy lending his clout, right? Basically, his first two roles in movies are playing a character called Zero Cool and then Sick Boy. And then marrying Angelina Jolie. Way to hit the ground running. They got fully married.

[01:28:21] See, I kind of don't know that Johnny Lee Miller and Angelina... Yeah, they were fully married. Yes, they were married for three years. They broke up in 1999. I think they broke up after like 18 months. They divorced in 1999. Started getting married for three years.

[01:28:36] It's so cool to be like... They were together for a while. They got married very quickly. And then she basically leaves him for Billy Bob. Mm-hmm. And then they had a normal and chilled relationship that the press was not that interested in. No.

[01:28:49] There's that insane Angelina Jolie quote where she's like, people think I'm really sexual, in reality, I've only slept with three men. And I'm like, do you actually want us to believe that the only three people you have ever slept with

[01:29:02] are Johnny Lee Miller, Billy Bob Thornton, Brad Pitt? No one has that life. With nothing in between. I believe it, I believe it. I think everything else has been... She might have said four. She might have left one mystery person. Well, we don't know who that was.

[01:29:18] Her brother. Right, that was the whole thing where they were like, she's got this normal thing going with Billy Bob, nothing weird there, but then she's obsessed with her brother! Um, anyway. She kissed him at the Oscars. Glasgow is the grimier Scottish city.

[01:29:33] That is like the, in some ways, cooler. This film, the book and the film is set in Edinburgh. And you do see it when they're running. That's really the only part of Edinburgh you're seeing. The rest of the movie, they shot in Glasgow.

[01:29:45] It's just weird that that's actually... Brian Tufano shoots this movie, who shot Shallow Grave, who's like a legendary old British cinematographer. It's amazingly shot. Looks incredible. Looks really, really good. Um, and they have all these complicated things they want to do, right? Like, you know, like obviously,

[01:30:02] cameras just moving around like crazy. The scene outside is so cool. Uh... When they're running. When they're running down Prince's Street, yeah. I mean, his whole cold turkey sequence is like... I mean, it's as iconic as you can get. The whole thing there. The bedroom stretching house.

[01:30:20] And the train wallpaper. And the whole thing with that sequence is like, it's one of those things where the baby looking fake is almost to its advantage because it's so nightmarish. I think it's the same as the apes at the beginning of 2001. It's like, there's a weird, uh...

[01:30:37] I don't know. A static truth to the way they feel. It reminds me of the baby face mask in Brazil too. It's got a little bit of that. I feel like that was an aesthetic that was happening with babies around the 80s. Into the 90s.

[01:30:53] It looks like not the Muppet babies, but when there were human babies on the Muppets. It's got something that was in the zeitgeist, I think. Like we're not connecting with them. It looks like a real life Garbage Pail kid. Yes. The cheeks are too big and too rosy.

[01:31:10] Too circular. Everything is too round. There's a sequence in the book where the lads are walking through Edinburgh at night and they're imagining themselves as vampires. Uh-huh. And Danny Boyle is like, that is the one thing I wish we had the money to include.

[01:31:24] Because I was gonna shoot it and put Iggy Pop's nightclubbing over it. And it was gonna be a whole cool thing, but we did not have the money for that. There's the Muppet show character Bobby Benson in his baby band. Where he's this sleazy, sort of exploitive,

[01:31:39] show-busy guy and he's gotta ban the babies that play. Doesn't it look like the Muppets? Right? Like this one in particular. I feel like. Yeah, yeah. They're freaky. Yeah. I follow a lot of special effects Instagram accounts and they just recently did...

[01:31:55] Whoever made the baby, they had a thing and it just... Oh, really? That's cool. It was like a mechanical... Yeah. The other funny thing, and I like this. Uh-huh. One of the last things they shoot is the sequence where Sick Boy and Renton are in the park

[01:32:10] and they're taking the pot shot at the dog and they're just being little fuckers. That's one of the last things they shoot so Unimogurker's finally comfortable drinking again because he's like, all right, I can start drinking without putting on weight. Like worrying about my weight changing.

[01:32:22] It's like me eating a garbage plate the morning after I wrapped on this movie. Exactly. So apparently they had been drinking so much the night before and they are so hungover, which really reads in that scene. They seem very tired. Yes. Which is perfect for the scene

[01:32:34] because it's supposed to be like strung out and like not... Yeah. Anyway, I just really like that. Should we talk through the plot a little bit? Kind of been jumping around, but I just feel like, yeah, just try to go through a story.

[01:32:47] So a bunch of guys live in Leith, which is a tough neighborhood in Edinburgh, coastal. Public housing, would you say? Like it's... I don't know. It's like... I think they're all maybe squatters even. Yeah, that's more the vibe I get. It's like almost like there's some abandoned apartment

[01:33:02] or whatever or it's mother superior is squatting and they just kind of hang out there. I like his look. I like he's wearing a leather vest, no shirt underneath. Peter Mullen. Peter Mullen is the best. This is the guy from Top of the Lake. Oh, really?

[01:33:16] Yeah. I remember the gangster. From the first season. Yeah. And I like how he just like... Just is... When anytime someone's like, I'm going to get clean, he's like, no, you're not. It's like, God. They cut out this whole plot line with him

[01:33:29] where he loses his leg and then he tells them he's going to go to like Bangkok and become like... Sort of a beach prequel. Yeah. And then they find him later in the subway like begging for money. Oh, wow. That's too many people having...

[01:33:44] Yes. That was the exact... Too hard a point. Too many people have fallen. Yes. Exactly. They were like it was a double beat after Tommy Dotto. I like that he makes no sense. Where you're like, how does this continue to operate?

[01:33:54] He has like a little machine to check their, you know, pound notes, right? Where he's like authentic. He's got a little ultraviolet light. And like as they say, like, he shouldn't be alive. Like how is this guy this old? Well, that's the thing. Heroin doesn't end well, right?

[01:34:05] Not typically. No one is just like... And he just kept doing heroin until he died of old age. Right? So the fact that they have this one guy in their friend group who's like got a decade plus on them and is still like relatively high functioning

[01:34:19] by their standards and is doing as much heroin as them gives them the carte blanche, the blank check, if you will, to keep doing... It's a little bit of a short, like, you know, I could be like that guy.

[01:34:31] But I mean, which I feel like is really, you know, you know, cigarette smokers too, where they're like, I don't know, some people do okay. Maybe I'll be like that person. Yeah. Well, there's a little bit, I mean, I don't know a lot about...

[01:34:43] The things I'm addicted to are like self-hating thoughts and pulling my hair out. I mean, same. Big same. Yeah. Naps. I think I'm lucky in that I don't think I have a lot of disposition for like being addicted to external things. Chemical, sure. Yeah, yeah.

[01:34:58] But like at least in watching The Real Housewives, like they're all alcoholics and the reality TV dynamics of seeing a group of alcoholics not being able to... Like it's like we actually should not talk about alcohol at all because we're gonna really start

[01:35:14] to quantify everyone and pit each other against each other. Like, it just feels like there's a lot of like once you open that door, everyone's gonna get upset and triggered in a different way. And yeah, I don't know. That's kind of... There's a little bit of that

[01:35:24] in this movie too where it's like... When Ritten goes back to doing the drugs to test and then he goes into the bus bathroom and does more of them and everyone's like judging him. There's like a judgment internalized thing that happens.

[01:35:36] I like that we really have no sense of why these people are friends. We just get that they're friends. They've been friends forever. They've grown up together. Right. Yeah. So it's Renton. No one else will have them, I think. I think that's a huge part.

[01:35:47] They are clinging to each other as they... But like that, you know, Renton, Spud, Sick Boy, those guys are just... And Begbie for different reasons. They don't have a lot of friends. Just the recitation of their names. And then Tommy is their sort of like quote-unquote normal friend

[01:36:01] who's still just kind of like nice enough to sort of hang out, I guess. Tommy makes me feel like this whole world, this whole town is bad. Like if Tommy has to hang out with them and like his girlfriend and the other girlfriend are hanging out,

[01:36:14] it's like this is actually like there aren't a lot of options in this town. I... Everyone in this movie had such a sort of career explosion. And Kevin McKidd was one of those things where it's like, ah, it sucks for him. He's in that cool movie

[01:36:26] and he has the most boring part in a way. And it was so nice when he did finally have the second act. I know his second act was mostly him being on Grey's Anatomy for a billion years. But you know the other thing, right?

[01:36:35] Uh, that he's handsome and he took me on a date once? No, I don't know. You very nearly was Thor. Yes, I know he... Which, you know, I could see it. I could see it. Matthew Vaughn was supposed to direct Thor originally. And his pick was Kevin McKidd.

[01:36:52] And then when Vaughn dropped out, he still stayed in it. It very nearly happened. You can see the concept art that was done for the movie was done with his likeness. It's one of those things, I think... It's Grey's Anatomy, Kevin McKidd. Like peak Grey's Anatomy, Kevin McKidd.

[01:37:08] He'd just come back and he had been doing... Was he on Rome or something? Like he had done a couple sort of... Sword and Sandals type things. He was in Kingdom of Heaven. He is on Rome, isn't he? Yes. Yeah, so it made sense to be like,

[01:37:18] now he's reestablished as a hunk. He's done some of these period things, have him play Thor. I think probably better for everyone, including him, that he did play Thor. I don't think he would've wanted to... That all worked out. Yeah, but it's a wild thing to consider.

[01:37:32] Especially like... He's Poseidon in Percy Jackson. He got to play his god. At the end of the day, he got to play his god. Thor adjacent. Mm-hmm, very Thor adjacent. Yes. But he's also the one who's not on the poster. He's not on the poster.

[01:37:47] He doesn't have a cool name. He's just Tommy. He's not Sick Boy. Yeah. What's your name? I'm Sick Boy. Nice to meet you. Healthy Boy. But I do love that there's no peer pressure. Like they love hanging out with this guy.

[01:37:59] No, they don't want him to do that. They really don't want him to. And the film begins pretty much with Renton being like, fuck this shit, I'm not doing it anymore. I'm done. Over. And of course with the narrator vibe of him being like,

[01:38:11] this isn't going to work out. But like, that's why it's so sad when Tommy like begs to do it because no one has been pushing him to do it. It's all him. And it's all Renton's fault. Although Renton has no memory basically. No.

[01:38:24] And like I do love that the casual whatever misanthropic thing, Renton being like, he made a sex tape. I'm going to steal it. Watch it. Get kind of bummed out. Not really think about it again. And then that just like explodes Tommy's life. Destroys his life. Yes. Thoroughly.

[01:38:40] And also gives us a really great joke where Tommy's having sex and watching, you know, that famous goal from the 1978 World Cup. Could you imagine though, like if you're a 17 year old girl fucking some 28 year old, like from what's her face's point of view, Kelly McDonald's like, Diane.

[01:38:56] As this old man is coming, he's talking about like sports scores. I haven't felt that good since blah blah blah. Like, God. Her parents think it's cool. I love her parents. I love how like tired they are. I love all the parents in the movie.

[01:39:10] They're all just like so tired of being alive. But her parents want to be seen as hip. Like the way they're shown by the flatmates. So that's good. I'll write that down. Right. James Cosmo, people probably know him as plays Renton's dad. Okay. He's in Game of Thrones.

[01:39:24] Yeah. He's been a million other things too. You play one of the thrones? No, he was the, he's the Lord commander of the watch. The Night's Watch. George Mormont. But yeah, they're just sort of like, yeah, we told you you were stupid. We always knew you sucked.

[01:39:40] They're all such betas too. Like, all the parents are just these like, they're always just sitting at the table. Yeah. Well, they embody sort of what the movie opens with. It's the clark of carrige. But they don't want to be tuned out. They've given up.

[01:39:52] They're just like sort of boring watching TV. They'll do anything to avoid that life. Disgusting beans for breakfast all the time. These disgusting beans. Isn't it similar to Clark of Carrige? Where like, you're like, oh right, their parents are like right there.

[01:40:03] You know, it's like this isn't a movie about someone who's like doesn't even know his parents anymore. He like lives with them sort of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then like, do you want some eggs? He's like, no, I'm really full on all the heroin I do.

[01:40:13] Nom nom nom. Anyway, pretty quickly. Weird that scene where he eats heroin with a fork and then it looks so good though. Cooks it up with some black pudding. So there's sort of the like, Renton tries to quit heroin thing.

[01:40:25] He like nails a wooden cross to the door. And then immediately takes it fucking down because he has to give one more hit. That's just so like cartoonish and funny. Yeah. The buckets. So first 10 minutes. Suppositories. It's like zip, zip, zip, zip, zip. And then the toilet. Suppositories.

[01:40:42] So hot. When he just like sticks suppositories up his skinny jeans ass. There's something about it that I was, I remember like being like 15 and being like, I'll never forget this. I hope someone asked me about this in a college dorm room someday.

[01:40:54] And I can speak my truth. Whatever those are. But like, he's mildly annoyed about it, but he's not exactly like, all right, well, I'm gonna throw those away. He's like, all right, how do I get these out of my house? The whole toilet sequence is so good.

[01:41:06] In that you are, especially imagine in a theater. You know, you're going to see this movie, 10 minutes and he's diving into a toilet, the worst, grossest toilet. And you're like, what is going on? That was the scene I remember my parents describing. Yeah, right.

[01:41:20] Because it's so like, especially in 96. And I was like, I don't understand how that scene could be in a grown up movie and not a sketch from all that. And not Conker's Bad Fur Day. Right. Nintendo video game.

[01:41:31] And like, but then what I love is when he's in the water, it's suddenly kind of dreamy and quiet. And you're suddenly actually given a moment to chill out. Very White Lotus, actually. Yeah. And he gets the big pills. I like how big they are.

[01:41:43] And you know what I'll say about the boys from Trainspawning? Send them to the White Lotus. -♪ That's season three. -♪ Season three. I think it's time to send them to the White Lotus. That would be funny if it was literally just them. Just Renton, Sick Boy, Beggie.

[01:41:58] Yeah, that's T3. But the scene leading up to that of him walking through the like, gambling hall or whatever that is. Like, that's really good. Oh, that and then the scene where like, girls are rejecting him. Like all the first person camera stuff

[01:42:10] where like people are just giving him looks. They're just really, really great. Um, and then he decides to be chill and normal. So he does things like shoot people with BB guns in the park. He shoots a dog so the dog will attack a person. Yes.

[01:42:24] While Johnny Lee Miller talks about Sean Connery's Oscar being undeserved. I do like that as a character game of just this guy is so fucking obsessed with Sean Connery. It's the only thing he knows how to talk about.

[01:42:34] Is he, as someone who doesn't know a lot about James Bond, is he right about everything he's saying? He's wrong about almost everything. Almost all of it. So that's the joke. His opinions are wrong. He's like anti-pussy galore. He's like, she's not hot.

[01:42:46] She's got the most pussy of anyone ever. And yeah, of course. And he's like... Octopussy. Well, for eight of them. But galore is what? A dozen? You're right. Uh, and he's down on the Oscar win. It's like, that's not just a career Oscar.

[01:42:58] Maybe it is. Maybe Sick Boy's right. That was, I remember, I saw this movie before I saw The Untouchables. And I took that opinion to heart. I was like, oh yeah, you know, fucking... And when I saw The Untouchables, I was like, no, this rules.

[01:43:10] Kind of popping. Yeah. Um, there's the early stuff, like the stealing of the sex tape. Like Spud's job interview, which is so funny. It's shot so well by Danny Boyle. Great performance. It is really, really funny. That's actually a good one to watch with the subtitles.

[01:43:23] He has six. He says so many things so quickly. Your leisure is my pleasure. There's the bit I love where the one time the movie uses subtitles is when Tommy and Spud are talking at the club. Yeah, at the club they're yelling. Right, yeah, yeah, that is good.

[01:43:35] And you're cutting to the bathroom where it's quiet and the women can actually hear each other. Which is literally a Cockroach Orange, like, themed nightclub. Yeah, yeah, totally. It's the volcano, I believe. It's a famous nightclub in Glasgow. The sort of, the morning after, uh, you know,

[01:43:53] Renton realizing he slept with a teenager. Spud with the shit on the sheets. Tommy in the fallout of the sex tape. That's all like 30 minute mark. You're like, oh, this has been act one of a tight 90 minute movie. Is now like the wheels are starting to come off

[01:44:07] a little bit for these guys. Yeah, but not in a way where it's a turning point. Like him waking up with a 17 year old is just like another day in the life. It's more about in terms of the audience experience watching the movie, you're like,

[01:44:19] this suddenly got dramatically less fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not learning anything. They're not necessarily slowing down. But we're like feeling some of the Rent coming due on these guys. His reaction is, I guess I'll do heroin again. I guess that wasn't really working out for him.

[01:44:32] Yeah, yeah. And the first five minutes are montage too. It's all just like music and montage. So you're like, this is status quo for them. And now we're like falling apart. The movie's sort of slowing down. Right. The whole fact that like Renton's like,

[01:44:42] well, of course I don't do heroin anymore. I need to fall in love immediately. Right, now I'm horny. This like absolute addict, like I need the new thing. But I love that. It's just like he's like, I've been doing heroin. I'm not doing it anymore.

[01:44:54] Heroin makes you constipated. Now I gotta poop. All right, that's done. Heroin also kills your sex drive. Now I'm horny again. Now that's done. First sex scene I've ever seen, I had ever seen with someone with a condom. He like snaps the condom off.

[01:45:08] And I remember as like a 13-year-old being like, whoa, holy shit. Like, you know, like, you know, Phil. But Tommy, sad, starts to do drugs. What else is happening at this time? The baby dies. And it's this horrible scene that Ben like says,

[01:45:22] it's just sort of like, we move on, you know, or whatever, like we just, the plot just sort of keeps going. We don't really know who that girl is. In the book, it's clear that she's Sick Boy's girlfriend and that Sick Boy's baby.

[01:45:31] I like the way the movie does it though, where it's ambiguous. You hear Renton saying like, it wasn't my kid. We never really knew. And then Sick Boy starts crying too hard. And it could have been set up earlier too.

[01:45:42] Like in the first couple minutes of the movie, like, Ewan McGregor could have been like, and nobody knows who the dad is of that. But you still feel like you're getting that information in the same scene that you find out who the dad is.

[01:45:52] That there was a mystery and you're just with it. It's so intense. And the whole thing of her like crying hysterically and saying like, I need a hit to stop feeling this. Like just going deeper and deeper. And he gets himself? Yeah. Well, that's in the book clearly.

[01:46:06] He's like, so I gave her a hit. Obviously, I gave myself one first. What is that about? It's just like, I'm gonna fucking go to all the effort of cooking heroin for somebody. Even at this moment of great tragedy, it's still operating. It's the airplane thing of like,

[01:46:18] make sure you put your mask on before you put anyone else's on. It's like if you roll a joint, you're gonna smoke it first and then pass it to the next. No, but the whole point is, he's operating from such an extreme place of selfishness.

[01:46:29] Just like his lizard brain being addicted to this shit that even this woman who like... He should either say no or he should give it to her first. Yeah, yeah. Right, he does maybe the least considerate of all options, which is indulge her, but also make her wait.

[01:46:45] Mm-hmm. And also the baby's face. That's not a same day. I can't talk about it. That wasn't day one? That wasn't day one. No. In the book, you don't even know how the baby died. It's unclear. They don't know. They don't know. They're so out of it.

[01:47:00] Then pretty quickly, they get caught shoplifting and they're sent... Well, Spud is sentenced to prison and Renton is sentenced to rehab. Which also, it feels like a bit of a class thing. Maybe. There's a mild undercurrent of that. Although Renton...

[01:47:15] I think, but Renton has the brains to maneuver and Spud doesn't. He can present himself a little bit better. I also think it's like the movie star charm thing. It's sort of like, they look at him and they're like, this guy could get his shit together.

[01:47:26] And you're like, what's the best version of Spud? Like to this elitist judge, right? He's like, Spud is dumb trash. Mm-hmm. And meanwhile, this Renton guy, I could see him someday making a respectable real estate agency. Well, he gives this political statement too,

[01:47:41] which is like Spud could never... Yeah, he says God will help me. Yeah, yeah. And the judge is like... I like that the judge isn't like, all right, son. Great job. He's just like, okay. Um, and then pretty soon after that is when he ODs, right?

[01:47:54] Like, is there anything else? Like basically, he just, he goes to rehab. He does some methadone. Well, we guess we skipped over, and it's not really a big plot point, but the train spotting, like, or the train moment where they go out to the country.

[01:48:06] It's called Karur Railway Station. It is the most remote station in Britain. It is not on a road. Yeah. You literally only go there if you want to go hiking. That's cool. Or as the Scots call it, I want to get this right,

[01:48:20] because there's a specific Scottish thing. Train spotting. You know, like the famous underpants? Uh... Uh, there's a word that Scottish people use for mountains. Uh, munroes. They call them... So, people who... Maryland mountains. Uh, are called mungo baggers. Look at these looks, though. Enough words, you all.

[01:48:41] This is, I think, the best looks out of all, out of the movie when they all go hiking. Absolutely. That's the spud outfit I love. Right. You were saying the tight, the skinny jeans with the blazer and the fluorescent orange.

[01:48:53] God, yeah. They all just look so fucking great. Anyway, I've always wanted to go to that station. Seems really cool. Yeah. Do you think they put this in the movie just so they could be like, oh, no, that's why it's called Train Spotting?

[01:49:03] Uh, well, that is where Renton gives his iconic speech, and I love the speech because he's like, I don't even hate English people. I'm embarrassed for us that they conquered us. They're so lame. Like, it's so shitty that our rulers are these awful fucking tightwad jerks.

[01:49:22] It's so good. Uh, the most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. No, he's talking about... We are colonized by wankers. Oh, God. It's good. And then they don't even go on the hike. Tommy, at that point, if I'm Tommy,

[01:49:38] I'm like, you know what, guys? I fucking planned this whole day for us. I know. That's when Tommy gives up, though. Really, that's the last thing. That's like, he's just kind of like, all right, I can't get my friends to go on a hike.

[01:49:47] I do love the implication. I mean, outside of just like, them all being misfit toys and the fact that their roots probably go deep, it also feels like the other reason Tommy's friends with them is because no one else he knows likes Iggy. Mm. Yeah.

[01:50:00] Right? It's like, he's not a junkie, but he has the music taste of one. That's kind of a high school thing, too. Yeah. Where you end up sitting with, like, kids that are, you know, a little rougher than you just because you like the same things, you know?

[01:50:12] But pretty much after... So, the ODing... What's happening there? He goes to Mother Superior, gives him the 20-pound note. Mother Superior just throws him in the street, puts him in a cab. This cab driver's just like, okay. But there's that, like, extreme close-up of the heroine

[01:50:28] where you can see, like, all the shit in it. Yeah. Right? Going through the... Right? Like, where you see all that, like, gross black residue. Mm-hmm. It's... Right? That's sort of the implication. It's like, this is particularly nasty. Sure. Like, yeah.

[01:50:41] And then he sinks into the red carpet. And I love how even you get POV shots, and it's got kind of framed on the edges, the red. Yeah. It stays longer than when he's in the room. It's such a... There's a scene in It, the book It,

[01:50:57] um, that it reminds me of where, like, you know how, like, in It, there's somebody... One of them, like, kills himself in the tub at the beginning? Like, the wife finds the husband in the tub, and it's written from her... I think it's written from her... Whatever.

[01:51:11] But anyway, like, she, like, is, like, shaking, looking at him in the tub, and then she starts to hear, like, someone be like, 911, what's your emergency? And she's like, what the hell's going on? And then she, like, suddenly fades into realizing

[01:51:21] that she's got the phone in her hand. She's on the phone. And I love whenever, like, people are in a state of shock, and, like, a thing is still hanging on that you can't process. Like, that's... It's such a good decision

[01:51:32] for him to, like, still see the carpet and not be in that room. Yeah. Great. It is good. Do you think Lou Reed, do you think they showed it in the movie? And he was like, you guys dissed me in this movie.

[01:51:41] And we're like, hey, can we use Perfect Day? And he's like, you fucking say my solo career is bad. You want to use Perfect Day? It's such a wrong opinion. Yeah. It is a wrong opinion. I think it's, yeah, probably supposed to be a wrong opinion.

[01:51:53] Look at Sick Boy so annoying. Everything he says is kind of annoying. I know. It's like, using the song almost feels like it's a way to undercut Sick Boy as a character. Like, this was his, like, second solo album. Sick Boy was early.

[01:52:06] I probably, because I was raised to be a codependent enabler, I probably would have an easier time being friends with Begbie than Sick Boy. Oh, yeah. That was a good bit. It was a good bit. David's holding up the underwear. You saw it.

[01:52:18] It wasn't. It was confounding and slow. Great. The best kind of link. It's podcast, obviously. Yeah. Then after that, he goes cold turkey. After that, he's the whole cold turkey. Yes. And remakes himself as a real estate man. And he's good at it. Yes.

[01:52:34] Before he moves away, we should talk about Tommy. Yes. Because it's like, there's the sequence where Tommy's like... There's the AIDS kind of section. Tommy's like, I want heroin. And Renton is like, no, but is also so strung out that he's kind of like, okay.

[01:52:47] Right. He can't put up a fight, but he also doesn't even try, really. And he's, again, not really even aware of the wreckage he has caused. Right. Because he visits Tommy before he goes to London, right? That's the thing. When he visits him again,

[01:53:00] Renton is now actually clean, and Tommy is the one who's in a horrible state. And finds out, you know, that he hasn't gotten AIDS. He's like, unbelievably, I don't have AIDS. Yes. Despite the amount of needle sharing I was doing.

[01:53:11] It feels very like this is happening right now. This new thing, like, you have to go get the test. His parents suggest that he do it. And then, of course, unfortunately, Tommy is the one who has contracted HIV.

[01:53:22] That's the part of the book that makes the most sense being set in the 80s. That it's like, oh, there could be an outside force shift of there's now a new thing for you guys to worry about. You have to be aware of this, right.

[01:53:33] Rather than if it's in the 90s, it's just sort of like, oh, these guys are now starting to get more serious, maybe. You know? It's realistic how unimportant it is to them too, though. Like, they're just sort of like, oh, yeah, I don't have it.

[01:53:43] But also, if you're at... If you're that deep in that life, it's like you are consciously not taking that test, not thinking about it because you don't wanna know the answer. It's easier to live in like the Schrodinger's cat state. Something I never noticed until this watching

[01:53:58] is there's graffiti all over Tommy's apartment that is referencing that he has AIDS. That he is like... I have here, it says, AIDS scum is scrawled outside of his apartment. The nurses did that? The nurses? I don't know. They found out. I don't know who did that.

[01:54:15] I think like... You think he did it? No, I think it's because he's active and using drugs still and like, you know, has had someone maybe get angry at him. It's like the hobo thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know how hobos would draw like,

[01:54:29] this is a bad person on like a fence. Or like they serve beans here. His door, it says infected. Like outside of his door. Don't share needles with this guy. I see. Okay. Okay, that makes sense. Isn't the hobo code cool? Yeah, I love it.

[01:54:42] People should do that. People should be spray-painted insecure on my door. Hey, wait a sec. Above my bed, it says anxious, avoidant. Butter him up! That's all he needs. This is the whole thing with the hobo code. They'd be like, just tell a sad story.

[01:54:54] You draw like a little crying face. Yeah. You know, that's how you get whatever you need. I have a whole book about this that I should lend you, David. It's really great. Is it called the hobo code? No, I forget what it's called, but it's all about hobo.

[01:55:07] Um, like hieroglyphics is what they call it. Because they had the whole weird, yeah, language. Anyway, yeah, he moves to London and he's having a fairly chill, boring time. And then the person you least of this group that you least want to find you. Number one. Yeah.

[01:55:23] But the one who would. But the one who would is Begbie, who is on the run for armed robbery and is mad because the gun he used wasn't even real. Uh-huh. We forgot, the scene where Begbie throws the glass over his shoulder at the pub.

[01:55:38] And then there's a whole flashback about Begbie where they're like, let me explain what an asshole this guy is. Right? And then we cut back to the glass lands on someone's head and he goes downstairs. He's like, who did this?

[01:55:48] Well, he takes his knife out and puts it on the table. He's like, I don't need this. Yeah. Oh, my God. It's so good. The character introduction too is him telling that story at the club that makes him sound cool.

[01:55:58] And then he's like, and then I went to Tommy. Tommy told me what happened. Like he was so drunk and pathetic. Like fully attacked. Yeah. That guy never even looked over his shoulder. His back was turned the whole time. He ate a bag of crisps. Yeah.

[01:56:09] Well, and they also all attack a tourist at some point. I don't remember when that happens. That happens later. That's when they're truly robbing people and shit. Is like the American guy comes in and he's like, hi, can I use your bathroom? And they rub their hands.

[01:56:19] But that's the thing where they're setting Begbie on him. They cobo coat outside the bathroom, right? Dumb tourist. But Begbie holds up the knife and they're like, no, no, Begbie, no killing. We just want his money. You know, like that.

[01:56:30] And that sort of illustrates what Begbie is to them. Begbie's like Tatan. He just kind of, he kind of loves doing it. Yeah. He does it for the sport of the thing. And so Begbie shows up being a psycho.

[01:56:40] Sick boy shows up and he's like kind of trying to be a drug dealer now. And so then renting gets fired, right? Like, you know, like because they're hanging around again. Yeah. There's a great bit where they're all eating chips

[01:56:51] and talking and then he just blows up at them selling the TV. And they're like, well, you didn't tell us you wanted to keep it. Yeah. You should have like put a post it on. Yeah. I think the hardest part of the movie

[01:57:03] is watching them like mess up his apartment. That is so hard to watch. It's like, they're, they suck. And then that bit. They're bad guests. I wouldn't tell, yes, they're really bad. He moves them into the unoccupied apartment. Yes. Which instead of hiding while those people come in,

[01:57:19] like to look for the apartment, they decide to like jump out and be like, ah! Right. They got territorial about the place they weren't paying to live in. It's like, just keep hiding for 20 more seconds. You're good. They're like demons. They're like these demons that he can't shake.

[01:57:33] There is a pile of cigarette packs outside of his apartment that is fucking insane that they would just keep throwing it outside. Like, that's where this goes. But it's so funny because you do realize in that moment, like, oh, Rant was being pretty smart about this.

[01:57:46] He like calls it the least desirable apartment. Right. He like found the place that he knew no one was ever gonna take. He sets them up there and is just like, just hide your shit. And if people come to look at it... Yeah.

[01:57:58] ...on these specific days and times, get out of the way. And instead, as you said, they just fucking jump on them like spider monkeys. Ruin everything. Yeah. Lil Demons. They're bad friends. Bad friends. They really are. This movie could have been called Bad Friends. Good Dressers, Bad Friends.

[01:58:13] They are a good dresser. It could be called Bad Friends just like a short I made at NYU that... Really? ...never finished. Bad Friends? Mm-hmm. Wow. This was in The Bad Teacher. They're so not worth making. It was about some bad friends

[01:58:25] who went to go visit a friend's grave, but they're at the wrong grave. That's it. That's kind of funny. It was a failure. Um, well, you've gone on to great success. Yeah, but I made that. Okay, well, you know what? You should wear it like a fucking millstone.

[01:58:39] Um... Right after all this is Tommy's funeral. That's when they go back. Yes. Yeah. Tommy dies. Yeah. Yeah. But it's like Baby 2. Like, there's something about when you see the kitten, you're like, no, no, no, no! But they don't kill the kitten, you know? The kitten kills him.

[01:58:56] Yeah, the kitten kills everyone and then walks away with a passport. And the guy... The guy explaining... It's not even so cute. ...the story to Renton, like, so callously is like, can you believe this awful, terrible thing while the women cry behind him?

[01:59:10] But it's a similar thing where you're like, oh my God, what another insanely bad thing. Yeah. And the movie is in bummer zone at this point, but they still do just kind of go like, all right, so should we try and do a weird drug deal

[01:59:22] with Keith Allen now? You know, it's not like they're like, we have to fucking stop it. Right. This is like, this is a clarion call here. Yeah. Tommy is dead, the only good one. Right. Sweet little Tommy. Right. No, instead they're like, let's buy some... Spuds out.

[01:59:37] Spuds out of jail, that's it. Spuds out of jail, Becky's got a hot tip. He comes into the heroin, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, and Kelly McDonald writes him a letter too. Kelly McDonald is like corresponding with it, right? She's the one being like, here's what's up.

[01:59:48] Yeah, you know, beg be still a psycho. She passes Spud, like, wasted in the street. Right. I like that they never sleep together again. Yeah, me too. She's like a friend. They're just pals. She does give him that brief thing where she's like,

[01:59:58] if you don't fuck me, I'll call the cops. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I respect the aggression of it. Yeah. Even though it's a lot, but yeah. I wish someone would say that to me. Um... Uh, and they do a drug deal with Keith Allen.

[02:00:13] Keith Allen, of course, plays the drug dealer in Shallow Grave as well. Griffin, I don't know if you've ever seen Shallow Grave. No, I'm excited. I will have seen it by the time... And he's also famously the father of Lily and Alfie Allen. Oh, sure.

[02:00:25] And in Britain, he's one of those fucking guys. Okay. Where he's just always on fucking television. You know, what do you think, Keith? I think, and you're like, oh, fucking Keith Allen again. And then you like made two more Allens. You're like, oh, they're multiplying. Tim Allen.

[02:00:39] Yeah, he is Tim Allen's dad. I mean, to be clear, I kind of love Lily Allen. And I like Alfie Allen just fine. Tim Allen as well. He's the Santa Claus. Yes. Keith Allen's really good in this movie, though. Uh, he is. That whole scene is great.

[02:00:52] He's really effective as like... He's supposed to be the same... The menace of that scene, yeah, they were like, well, it'll be funny. Yeah. It's hard to, with characters that are as like kamikazes as the four of them, it's hard to have somebody be scarier than them. Yes.

[02:01:04] And the control that he has is like a good counter. There's that great line in the narration where he says, like, he could immediately spot us for what we were. Like, for whatever, however he says it. They're rubes. Four rubes who lucked into a decent deal.

[02:01:18] And then you immediately look back at the guys and they look so ridiculous. You're like... Like, they've dressed up. He's wearing, what's his name? He's wearing the big... The big sunglasses. He's got like casino glasses. He looks like... Music producer. Elliot Gould in Ocean's Eleven. That's his tactic.

[02:01:35] Yeah. Oh. But they get 16,000. They succeed despite being completely incompetent. Bad, but better than they almost got for being such idiots. They're still making a profit. Yes. It's still not that much money. It's not that much money. To them it's a lot of money.

[02:01:51] For the end of a movie, it's really not that much money. Especially if you're thinking that split across four guys. It's really not that... For like one last job, you know? One of the iconic images of this movie is the final shot post-credits of Spud finding the money.

[02:02:05] Yeah. And like, he's like, And have you all watched T2 yet? I've never seen T2. I watched the first 30 minutes, I fell asleep. But I was liking it. But anyway, I won't say anything. I'm excited to watch it. Is it the only Danny Boyle I've never seen? Interesting.

[02:02:19] No, I've never... Yeah, maybe. Anyway, I won't spoil a thing for it, but... About it, but I will say, you can tell that the 4,000 pounds did not last. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think it's a good thing. I mean, I think it's a good thing.

[02:02:32] I mean, I think it's a good thing. I mean, I think it's a good thing. I mean, I think it's a good thing. I mean, I think it's a good thing. I mean, I think the 4,000 pounds did not last I mean, I think the 4,000 pounds did not last

[02:02:38] over 30 years or whatever. Also not to spoil another thing, but there's a second Terminator. Who? No, no, no, there isn't. This time there are two? Yeah, T2 Transponder. And what is it? Just a live man. He's made out of liquid heroin. I keep trying to cook him,

[02:02:52] and he's like, get off me! Yeah, he's uncookable. And that line, I'll choose life. Wait, iconic line. I like that Renton's final choice is, you know what? All these guys suck. Yeah. I don't like them. Except for Spud, he's all right. Yeah. I'll leave him money. Yeah.

[02:03:09] Everyone else, fuck you. I'm going to make a selfish choice, and I guess I'll be, you know, normal now. But he's not like triumphant. I don't even know if he's going to be normal. And you don't even know if he's going to be...

[02:03:19] I mean, the whole shot where the face... where, you know, he puts his face further out of focus and then his smile just becomes this weird like Rick Disgrunt that's like scary looking. Yeah. You don't know if it's like a happy ending at all.

[02:03:31] Because he watches Begbie like lose his mind one too many times basically. And then he does the old... But even before that, they go to the bathroom. You know, he steals Begbie's... Oh, sure. Like taking the remote from Al. Very dicey. When he just takes it.

[02:03:44] I would not do that. I would never have done that. Begbie's going to wake up and yeah, just... You should have a weapon in your hand while you're there. But even when Begbie and Sick Boy are in the bathroom before Begbie flips out on that fucking guy,

[02:03:54] he's already floating to Spud. Should we just run? Mm-hmm. Totally. Spud is so good in those scenes. The scaredness is really good. My question. Does he leave the money for Spud in the book? Yes. Do you remember? He does. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Same thing.

[02:04:11] It's like, ah, Spud never hurt anybody. It almost felt to me watching the movie like, oh, with Bremner's performance, this is the one character you would feel bad for as an audience member. This is how to tack on a happy ending to the movie. Yeah, yeah.

[02:04:26] Because you're just like, who gives a shit about Sick Boy and Begbie? I'm happy Ratton walks away from this. You want Spud to have a little win? Yeah. And he could have split the money 50-50 with Spud. He could have, but he didn't. He gives him his share.

[02:04:41] Yes. No, I think in the book it's just Ratton is thinking to himself, like, I'll give Spud his cut because he's all right. Okay. Seeing him get the money is... He's got such a sweet face. He has big glasses. But it's interesting because the euphoria

[02:04:56] that he's exhibiting at the end, it would be the euphoria that normally you would associate with, like, and now I'm out forever. Like, I learned the lesson and I realize I'm on the other side of it. But you're like, the thing that gave him the most freedom

[02:05:09] was fucking over people that fuck over him. You know? And that's as clear as it's gonna get. Not gonna last for long. Yeah. Yeah, that's the end of the film. It's really good. It's a great movie. It is. It's also just incredibly compelling.

[02:05:23] And it is one of those things where I haven't seen it in years, although I've seen it many times. And I was just like, right, I remember the framing of these shots. It's very much in my memory. I don't feel like I love the movies,

[02:05:33] like The Snatch and The Lockstock and Two Smoking Barrels. Like, movies that inha... The descendants of this movie, I feel like probably, I haven't seen them in forever. I don't think they're my thing. You know what I... No, I think it's... They're very busy.

[02:05:45] Guy Ritchie is like Danny Boyle dialed up. I think it's also very similar to Pulp Fiction where you had a wave of American movies copying that. Pretty much all of them. Stuhink. And obviously, Guy Ritchie's also inspired by Pulp Fiction and all that as well.

[02:05:59] I think these two movies produced a lot of very bad films in their wake. I don't think those movies are bad. I like Lockstock and Snatch, but they are such cultural snapshot things. Whereas Trainspotting is too, but Trainspotting is still just incredibly watchable.

[02:06:16] David, can you pull up the quote that JJ texted us? In the middle of compiling his dossiers, he went to text to spotlight one specific quote for us. Okay. This is a fun thing to think about with Boyle is the idea he repeats over and over again.

[02:06:32] Quote, in England, if you're talented, young, and rebellious, you start a band unless you're tone deaf like me. You take a kind of commercial or rebellious energy of a young filmmaker for granted in America. The energy of youth doesn't go into films in this country.

[02:06:44] It goes into bands. The guys from Oasis and Blur had gone into film. We'd have a very vibrant industry. That's interesting. Britain does make good music. Music brain is very different from movie brain though. Yes. Yes. Well, obviously, making a movie is complicated. Yeah.

[02:07:01] Not that making music isn't hard, but there is like you can be a fucking insane person and still just be just so gifted and interesting and just get on stage and sing songs and it's electrifying. But you can't just do that with a movie.

[02:07:14] You can be like, I have a good idea for a movie. Here we go. You have to get funding and storyboard scenes and stuff. It's hard. But all English people can speak. That's the one thing. Music people here can't speak. Musicians don't know how to talk.

[02:07:29] But anyone in England can just speak in a way that Americans can't. But that quote, it applies for Boyle's whole career, but this is the movie that I think best embodies it of just him being like, I want to make films that have the energy

[02:07:44] that music has in terms of commenting on a moment. And the reason films rarely can do that is because it's a much more complicated medium that involves so many more people and so much more money and all of that. But that is the magic trick of Boyle

[02:07:56] is he understands how to convert that energy into his movies from first shot to last shot. That's a great segue into talking about the soundtrack of this film, which is iconic in its own right. Two volumes. Yes. Classic Moore music. I love it when there's a Moore music.

[02:08:11] I love it. Where they're just like, just the vibe. I found, I was used records shopping and I bought the American Graffiti soundtrack, which I didn't have on vinyl. And then they also had the soundtrack for Moore American Graffiti, the proper film sequel to American Graffiti.

[02:08:27] But in addition to that, they had a second soundtrack album for American Graffiti called Moore American Graffiti. Complicated. Very. And that album is not songs that were in the first movie because I think all of them were on the first album. Right.

[02:08:43] It is other songs from the era... Just the vibe. ...with interstitial introductions by Wolfman Jack, which I thought was so interesting that there's like an in-universe album that's like another night... Those were the days. ...of Wolfman Jack playing records. Yeah. Tell us some tracks.

[02:08:58] Yeah, tell us some tracks. Irvin Welsh knew a lot of musicians personally, so he could put them in touch with Danny Boyle and be like, hey, just give, just don't charge. You know, or like, just charge us a little bit of money. Can you let this one go?

[02:09:11] So Ben, do you want to read some... You got the soundtrack pulled up right there. Yeah, we got Iggy Pop, Lust for Life. We got a Brian Eno song. Deep Blue Day. Primal Scream did a train spotting... Yes. ...song called Train Spotting.

[02:09:27] That's not in the movie though, right? Or is it? The Train Spotting song? I believe so. Which one is that one? I don't have a fucking point. I'm sorry. What else we got? We have New Order. That's their big album. Blur.

[02:09:41] We have, like we said, Lou Reed, Perfect Day. We have a Pulp song. You gotta have a Pulp song, my man. But this is the thing, Ben. Yes. I think this is important. Left Field, that's another big electronic act of the time. But is...

[02:09:54] Danny Boyle is the one... Irvin Welsh is the one like, let me hook you up with Iggy Pop. Like, I know those guys. Sure. But Danny Boyle is like, no. I also want Primal Scream, Blur, Pulp. I want music from right now. Like, I want the Britpop stuff.

[02:10:10] And Irvin Welsh was like, I don't know anything about that. But he later is like, that was a master stroke. Because that is British youth culture when this movie coming out. And it helps make this movie feel like it's about British youth culture. Yes.

[02:10:21] The coolest song on the album is obviously Underworld's Born Slippy. Yep. Which is the big finale song. So good. I recommend being like 20 years old and going to any club in Britain. That song will come on and the entire crowd goes absolutely insane. And starts screaming,

[02:10:39] la-ga, la-ga, la-ga at the end. Wow. So good. I've done it many times. There are definitely times where I play that in my car. And when I get to that point, I'm like, I actually have to skip. Like the first minute is incredible.

[02:10:51] And then when it's just like a little too much noise, I'm like, I think I have to get out of this song now. It's so good. It is so good. And it's perfect ending, right, Griff? Come on. What was your look like? Well, maybe we should...

[02:11:02] What was your look at the dance club? Did you have a pacifier? Did you have glow sticks? Did you go corduroy blazer with elbow patches? Briefcase. The way I fucking dress. Because first I think you would go to... You know, you go to clubs.

[02:11:19] Because the whole thing in college was in Britain, the pubs closed at 1130. So you would like have to go to the club if you wanted to keep partying, right? And so you would go to the club. And in Newcastle where I went to college...

[02:11:31] Which is a famous town for dance music. But the whole thing is like, don't you fucking go to the clubs on the days you're not supposed to. There was always one club that was doing a student night every night. So you could always go to one.

[02:11:43] But if you went to the other ones with the townies, they had no time for you. I was once called a poof because I was wearing a coat. What? In Newcastle where it is very, very cold. And a guy was like...

[02:11:56] And I was like, what are you saying? He's like... And I got close to him and he's like, you poof, why are you wearing a coat? And I was like, what? It's like 30 degrees outside. It's so cold. What are you talking about?

[02:12:06] And you were like in some kind of warehouse or just like some unsuitable... I believe I was at the... I think it's called the Pig & Whistle. You know, it's a famous site. But you know, so yeah. But no, I mean, I would fucking...

[02:12:17] God knows what I was wearing. You miss it. Like a puffy vest maybe? I do miss them. You don't need this life. You don't need this baby. You know they call it Adidas? You go right back. I should be back in Newcastle

[02:12:30] going to Digital and C and the Tuxedo Princess. You need to set up a P.O. box. You need to put 4,000 pounds in there. No, I mean, it was awful. But fun as well. Yeah, very jealous. That sounds so cool.

[02:12:46] But anyway, Born Slippy, if that ever came out. Tune is a fucking tune. It's the best. It's a fucking tune. It's a great song. And it can never be used again. No, no. You can't ever do it again. Obviously, Underworld does the score for Sunshine as well,

[02:13:01] which is so cool. He like remains... And becomes one of the most used. Yeah, that's right. The guy that collaborated, John Murphy, right? The... Yeah, well, we'll talk about that. We'll talk about that. With such a big trailer music. Yeah. David Bowie is another one.

[02:13:14] David Bowie also instrumental apparently in putting the soundtrack together. Like they get him and he helps with Iggy Pop and Lou Reed. Yeah. Pretty cool. Again, David Bowie gets dissed by Sick Boy in this movie. Fucking rude. Sick Boy just got bad of pants. I am.

[02:13:27] He's got poster's disease. I look forward to listening to you guys talk about Danny Boyle. Just because he's so weird. And it's... There's something I... It's like I totally get what he's going for. And then I also just kind of don't. Like as an overall career.

[02:13:42] We love such a good eclectic filmography like that. Where someone's working in different genres. Where their misfires are equally fascinating. Trying to figure out what they thought they were doing. And Slumdog which is like, you know, that's like a crash.

[02:14:00] That's like a movie that you're looking back it's like... No. It is fascinating how much I am dreading re-watching that movie. Interesting. I think I'm gonna come back around on that one. I was kind of down on it at the time. I wonder...

[02:14:12] I didn't hate it but I was like, why is this winning best picture? Now I feel like I'm gonna watch it and be like, you know what? This kind of fucking rules. We'll talk about it. But I saw it opening weekend. Limited release.

[02:14:20] And I was just like, this thing is unbelievable. Yeah. And then I saw it like three months later in theaters. When it was about to win the Oscar. And the second time in theaters it immediately didn't work for me. Like I already saw through it.

[02:14:33] And I have not watched it again since then. I have a hard time imagining that there isn't racist aspects of the movie. Just at least through the lens. And also that it's like who wants like... Whatever, it doesn't matter because that's a million movies away.

[02:14:46] But I look forward to what y'all's conclusions are. One of those things where you're like, oh, it's very cool that Danny Boyle won best picture and best director and has Oscars. Totally. But in retrospect you're like, that movie is kind of weird. The Beach. I love The Beach.

[02:15:01] I love The Beach. Hell yeah. So do I. Okay. This film's distribution. There are different cuts for England and America. Okay. How different those cuts are is disputed. British distribution handled by Polygram. American distribution obviously handled by Miramax. Miramax bought it before they'd seen it.

[02:15:22] Just I think they were like, well, this is gonna be cool. Sounds like money. Sure. And they were apparently immediately afraid of the Scottish accents being too off-putting. I think they wanted subtitles, maybe. Selective dubbing I also heard to convert some of the accents and slang.

[02:15:40] That's the Morgan Freeman. Boyle said there's this great story that the Weinsteins decided to have the film revoiced and that everywhere else it was dubbed into American, but we never found any evidence of that. No.

[02:15:51] But the American version of the movie apparently they did like redo their lines a little bit to make it more normal. This is according to Ewan McGregor. I don't know. It's weird that no one seems to actually know the story on this. Yes, whatever.

[02:16:04] The MPAA, I think maybe considered giving it an NC-17. Think of the children. So apparently in the American original American cut now, whatever. I'm watching it on fucking stars. I'm seeing Ewan McGregor's dick. Yeah, but maybe they like sort of like cut a couple frames there.

[02:16:20] Okay, couple inches. Yeah, they just made smaller. Danny Boyle said he loves the condom moment. Condoms are part of modern life. Usually you're unable to film them. Putting you in a silhouette and showing him pulling off the condom off his cock was great.

[02:16:34] He's got quite a big cock and he's not shy in that regard. No. Could never say that today. About your actor. The film opens February 23rd, 1996 in Britain and is a huge hit. Yes.

[02:16:49] I almost tried to find the British box office because I thought it'd be fun but I couldn't. You couldn't do it. I would need to like buy like an old copy of Screen International or something. I can tell you. For the rest of this.

[02:16:58] It would be that BFI list you mentioned. I thought about it. Yeah, it'd be the same 10. I can tell you Jumanji was the number one film in Britain. I can tell you that. Okay, found that out. So people are mostly enjoying Jumanji. But by the time.

[02:17:09] But Transpotting grew. It went up, right? Much like Ewan McGregor's penis. By the time it opens in America. So it opens in America in July. It had made 18 million dollars in Britain, which is a lot of money. Today that would be a lot of money.

[02:17:24] That's a huge amount of money for an 18 rated drug movie. Yeah, I think at the time it was one of the highest grossing British made films in England. British made, it's possible. Yes. This is and I wanted JJ to dig this up.

[02:17:38] So I'm glad about it like Barry Norman because I was like, like can you find me reviews of like sort of the old fuddy-duddy's like Barry Norman the king old fuddy-duddy when I was a kid. He saw a clip and condemned it in his show.

[02:17:49] He thought it was outrageous. The film was even coming out then Muriel Gray writes this article. Reviewed the clip. He had not seen the movie. I think it would the Boyle says like, I don't know that's that's a Boyle quote.

[02:18:00] Okay, I don't know but Barry Norman hosted film. Sure. It was literally called film. It was the BBC show and he was like this guy in a chair with gray hair and he'll be like, oh, the new films. I it stinks. I've got into that vibe.

[02:18:17] Yeah, and I remember he quit in 2002. He retired and in his retirement statement. He was like fucking Ang Lee's making a Hulk movie. I'm done. Like truly he was like that was the last straw for me.

[02:18:27] Well guys make a movie about the whole and that was 2002 and he also didn't know that was going to be the best. The greatest film of all time.

[02:18:36] Yeah, but Muriel Gray wrote an article in the Evening Standard saying this is an important film and in Danny Boyle's view that was when it was suddenly like, okay, the chattering classes started turning in our direction.

[02:18:47] Wow, like before then the vibe was like, can you even make a movie like this?

[02:18:51] And she was the one who sort of like got people engaging with it seriously and Jarvis Cocker, the lead singer Paul Pooble's also was like giving interviews for his like this is a really interesting film. It's not like some pro-drug movie.

[02:19:05] Yeah, it's like, you know, kind of ruined society right Bob Dole as we pointed out did not like it. I watched some Charlie Rose thing with like John Hodge and Andrew McDonald and Danny Boyle and it was Charlie Rose was like definitely not Barbara Walters way.

[02:19:18] It was like setting up like and do you think it's okay for movies to show drugs?

[02:19:21] Like it was like obviously their American press tour had this sort of like we're going to set it up, set up the controversy, set up the make it seem like we disagree with it just so you can defend it.

[02:19:31] This isn't the kind of thing you should be showing kids in movies. It's not like toweling off in front of your assistant a thing that's comfortable for everybody. It is like fully blackout. Drugs are bad. Obviously all the controversy is also in their favor.

[02:19:48] The more controversy should this even be a movie people like I want to see it. I want to have an opinion. Absolutely. You know, there's that cool Empire magazine review Hollywood come in your time is up. You know, like come on like that's the vibe. Where's that?

[02:20:03] There's that great Empire review quote. That's like we should double down on how proud we are about this movie. Basically, let me find it.

[02:20:12] Yes, if Brits can make something Britain can be proud of in Hollywood must be afraid of we Brits can make movies this good about subjects this horrific. What chance does Tinseltown have? Yeah, I mean the other good line from that review is transplanting doesn't glorify heroin.

[02:20:25] It glorifies youth youth of it. Yeah, that it's worse mostly but youth trying to sort out things as only youth can yeah, that's why it's universal. Absolutely. No, I think it was Miramax. Um, Ebert only gave it three stars coward even still that probably was him kind of.

[02:20:43] Putting his neck out on the line. Maybe I mean he basically Ebert's review is basically like this is very stylish. I'm not sure has anything to say. Yeah, I read that. Yeah. Yeah, but it's positive but this movie's performance at the US box office David.

[02:20:57] Let's talk about that. Yes. I also want to point out this movie the book junk by Melvin Burgess is everyone read that anyone read that? No, the young adult book about heroin use. Okay that I also came out 96 that I read indelible for me. Shout out Melvin Burgess.

[02:21:10] Okay number one. So this movie opens in American in July. Yeah, July 19th. Sully would be proud. They did it, you know, but huge per screen average eight screens. It's they planned it between them out 14 days after my birthday. That's what they wanted. Yeah, they thought about it.

[02:21:28] Yeah ninth birthday given two weeks to process before. Yeah. So what do you think is number one of the box office and it's third week? It has made 200 million dollars total Independence Day.

[02:21:39] 96 baby was that big in the UK Independence Day don't have it sure was I saw it at the screen on the green with my dad. I was 10, but it's Guy Fawkes day there. That's in fucking November. Yes. Yes blows up a mask. My dad had already seen it.

[02:21:59] Yeah, I remember that and so he warned me during the autopsy scene. He was like this is going to get into he was a bit rules too hard. Morning you this thing fucking slaps.

[02:22:10] It owns bones number two David's at the box office Griffin is a huge hit film. Okay, summer 96 a huge hit film major movie star. Uh-huh part of his comeback Mission Impossible. No comeback comeback comeback, but it's one of those movies.

[02:22:27] That's absolutely insane that this movie made a hundred and four million dollars. Is it a Bruce movie? No come back Travolta. Okay, 96 Michael 104 close to Michael the other one phenomenon. It's phenomenal. Yeah, and it's only made 60 in three weeks. So it's got it's got such crazy legs.

[02:22:48] I know so much a little bit of mustard number three at the box office is a war drama crazy that this was a summer movie. I guess it's a movie star movie. Okay, it's kind of a forgotten movie 96 Ward. It was a hit like a hit.

[02:23:05] What did I got back? It made 59 domestic 100 worldwide. It's too big movie stars. It's got a famous perform not famous but someone notorious performance from a young emerging star. Oh, it's courage under fire or it's under fire. Never seen it.

[02:23:17] I know and you know, I almost invoked it earlier in this episode film. You're saying like well you and look so hot guys just skinny whatever it's like no, but he didn't lose weight end up looking like Damon Damon's a great example of him in that movie.

[02:23:29] He looks scary right right right. I see that. Yeah, and then they had the TV spin-off grace under fire. Yes, exactly. They were closely related actually number four at the box office comedy. Mm-hmm. Dumber no, but Carrie no, but you know, it kind of stupid but also brilliant.

[02:23:50] Hmm. It's a remake brilliant major star. It's a remake a remake of an American film or for remake of an American film with a major star. It's stupid but maybe brilliant. Huh? 96 is it the nutty professor? That's right. Okay, good job. Thank you.

[02:24:11] Nutty professor which in a month has made 93 million on the way to 128 again. I really like Freddie he was after like that was like after two or three flops in a row. That's his big comeback.

[02:24:21] Yeah, and he wins the New York know the National Society of Film Critics Best Actor Award. I always think about that. He really should have been Oscar nominated. Yeah. Who do I have him? You should if you don't you're lying to yourself. It's a tough year.

[02:24:41] Yeah, I do have him. Okay, what the Nutty Professor on my David David has a spreadsheet for every year what he would nominate in every category. That's good. That'll be useful and it's updated constantly. Wait Tom Cruise Jerry McGuire. Huh? Willie Mitch Macy for Fargo good placement.

[02:24:59] Yeah, he's the lead. No, I know him in the Oscars got it wrong. They did they did nominate him though. So the hat but put him where you Eddie Murphy Nutty Professor Bill Baker Hall hard eight. Okay. Wow and you ever Gregor trains money? Yeah, that's yeah.

[02:25:14] Harrelson is the cut there and I do love that performance people versus Larry Flynn. I do love that performance. I love that Oscar nomination. You've self-identified before as a slut for Woody. I do. I love him. I fucking love stuff. He's on these. What's there's a love Woody?

[02:25:27] He's on these billboards in LA like him as like a Twinkie like 15 year old and like is for some like cannabis store. Oh, it's not a movie. That's not a high concept. No, but I think he owns partly.

[02:25:40] Oh, it's called like something like get high is in the word. I know but it's like airbrush to death it. No, it's truly just this picture of him.

[02:25:47] Oh, it's actually like a hot 14 year old and I posted it being like what is this and everyone was like that's Woody Harrelson weird guy. Yeah, what a weird guy number five of the box office is the movie that we may do this box office again one day.

[02:26:01] It's new this week. It's a horror film. It's a flop. Is it the Frighteners? It's the Frighteners. Wow, that was fast. Yeah. Yeah.

[02:26:09] No, I mean look I love that movie and I also just know what a notorious bungling of a release that was in terms of putting that movie out in the middle of July and it bombing really hard.

[02:26:21] 100% it was a thing where it was like supposed to be Halloween and then they were so happy with how it turned out just this summer and say why they moved it to the summer and like made that decision a month before it was going to come out and they didn't have time to basically advertise it and they were just so bullish.

[02:26:34] The thing was going to hit very strange because it's not an easy sell.

[02:26:38] No, no, it's a complicated premise and it's it's Michael J Fox but in a very a role unlike what he done before and then they end up on this poster image where his face isn't on the poster like the poster image.

[02:26:50] I think is striking in and of itself, but does not sell that movie at all. Yeah, I agree. Have you ever seen that movie? No, you like it. You'll you will like it when we do Peter Jackson.

[02:26:59] Now the other thing that I want to know like the last Michael J Fox vehicle in movies. He basically he goes to spin City after that and then yeah, but it's like so you got that top for they're all holdovers.

[02:27:09] Okay, and then Frighteners is new and then there's three other new movies six seven eight fled remember fled absolutely do not even Baldwin and Lawrence Fishburne are chained together and on the run. Do not remember that it's kind of like an action comedy. It's okay.

[02:27:23] Okay in my memory Multiplicity, which is a real bomb. Yeah, why opening number seven movie bombed? I'm sure Ben seen Multiplicity course is funny. Yeah rolls. He makes too many of himself.

[02:27:35] Yeah, and they get dumb but also the movie solves the problem that the mistake that most movies make not enough Michael Keaton even the movies starring Michael Keaton don't have enough Michael Keaton and movies without Michael Keaton failure to launch.

[02:27:49] Multiplicity finally is like you want like four or five of this guy kicking around and then number eight Kazam. Jack Shaquille O'Neal opening Kazam opening so this is like bombs ahoy.

[02:28:01] I mean this week seriously you have three big but it's like start in the middle of a hot Hollywood summer. Yeah, things are going great. It's just like like you love Independence Day. Would you love to see Kazam and people like I'll just see Independence Day again.

[02:28:14] Thank you very much because they wanted the few movies my mother made us walk out of on grounds. Of artistic disgust just I will not I don't know if I've actually ever seen it. I've never seen Multiplicity. He's a genie. He's a genie lives in a boot box.

[02:28:28] Cool. Yeah, that's pretty good. Excellent. Yeah, and it was directed by Paul Michael Glazer. It was you've also got the Hunchback of Notre Dame which I invoked. Yeah, good movie number nine and eraser Arnold Schwarzenegger hit. Oh, yeah. Sure.

[02:28:39] I like eraser is fun, which is a what's his name Chuck Russell movie. Yeah. Yep Vanessa Williams also Harriet the spy. I'm a little boy masterpiece. I felt I found it boring Harriet. I found it boring. I never I never got it.

[02:28:54] I rewatched it recently so fucking well directed train spotting goes on to make 16 million dollars domestically over a long run makes 70 million plus worldwide and gets an Oscar nomination. Yeah, and Danny Boyle is off to the races. I was gonna say the same thing David.

[02:29:14] I was gonna phrase it the same way. What do you think y'all's like thesis statement about Danny Boyle is gonna be you got to find it on the way choose life. No, I don't know.

[02:29:23] Yeah, I don't know either but I mean like to me the whole thing with him is like he is fearless. Yeah, not in a way of like he's hanging off of helicopters, but in the sort of way like I don't know.

[02:29:33] I'll try anything like I'm not going to just like stick to projects that make sense quote make sense for me. Yeah, like something like Slumdog Millionaire especially is something where you're like Danny what no and he's like, I kind of have a good vibe.

[02:29:46] And it's like well, I'll take my best picture trophy. Thank you very much. You know, I don't 27 hours to is that way?

[02:29:52] Yeah, I want to get to this point of like, you know, I don't know if we can will reach any greater understanding but like it is such a condemnation of the state of the film industry right now that Danny Boyle essentially can't get movies made. Yep.

[02:30:06] And like his last two movies were train spotting yesterday. And train spotting is him being like, okay. All right. I'm finally doing I'm doing T2. And it like no one notices it everyone.

[02:30:19] No one realizes that actually happened after like 15 years of fans demanding they make part of it was part of the COVID haze to yeah, but it was 2016. That's what's well. No, really? Yes. Not 16. When is 17? Maybe? Oh, I okay. This is fully wild. Yeah. Well, I got cold.

[02:30:37] Yeah, you get you were patient zero. Yeah.

[02:30:41] But then yesterday, I remember seeing yesterday and saying to you David like why the fuck Danny Boyle make this and you were like because he wants to make a movie and what else is getting made and it was like oh, it's like Richard Curtis and Beatles as a franchise gets Danny Boyle a green light and that's after he's left Bond.

[02:30:58] He almost does Bond and it was him being like fuck it. I'll finally do a franchise movie. He gets fired from that movie for like refusing to compromise his radical ideas about the franchise and now he mostly just makes FX series, right?

[02:31:12] Yeah, which is what I make a movie about it. This one was okay. I watched that. I enjoyed it. And it looked like it was train spotting like fan fiction.

[02:31:20] It looked like it was like and I will say lots of camera movement really really just big and loud. It's a bummer that that guy can't in perpetuity get 20 million dollars a year to make whatever you want. It's a crazy time. I will say he's not expensive guy.

[02:31:35] No, I like doing yeah, I actually liked yesterday. I feel like a lot of people don't but you threw out that you yesterday was actually your two picks were you said train spotting or yesterday when I asked for the beach. I love the beach sure Beach. Yesterday.

[02:31:50] I will say we have me back. We have a pro yesterday guests lined up for yesterday. Okay, David and I are not yesterday fans, but we have booked someone who is ready to really go to the mat for yesterday. I will let them know I'm single.

[02:32:04] I will I only saw it once maybe I'll like it more the second time. I was like tired. I think it's a plane movie. It's a great. It's a great plane.

[02:32:12] I kind of wish I'd seen it on plane because I saw it like the Tribeca would be here. Yeah, I was like tired and I was like, I have for fuck's sake but I was so in the bag for it like the trailer.

[02:32:22] I was like, oh, I'm gonna this is gonna be my kind of cheese like this is I want a good cheese. It made choices that I saw it on a good day and it made choices that I wasn't expecting.

[02:32:31] It certainly makes choice and I and I was it one of the choices I cried. Okay, we'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. Yeah, but I do think movies are gonna come back. I hope so. I think that all these streaming platforms are gonna collapse. Oh, 100%

[02:32:45] It's happening. We're gonna enter World War 3. To me, honestly, I know this sounds crazy, but it's a JPEG thing where I was like, there's actually some internal awareness. I think I mean there's other stuff going on there. But anyway, we don't need to talk about that.

[02:32:59] It's just, you know, new Hollywood happens because people started supporting those movies financially, right? It wasn't like studios suddenly just wanted to speak to the youth movement. It was because those people were showing up and supporting those films.

[02:33:14] And it's like if we could just get like three or four everything everywhere all at once is a year. Yeah, that's enough encouragement for people to keep making these movies. We can do it. The thing that drives me crazy is it's been a good year for Hollywood.

[02:33:28] And then it had a weird November where people didn't want to see Armageddon Time and Tar. And everyone was like, it's over. All the Oscar movies, it's been a rough go. Tar feels like a European movie to me. The least commercial movies. Totally, totally.

[02:33:42] And then the minute the Whales started doing well, I was like, guess what? People want to see that. Let's see how the Whale does upon expansion. Doesn't need to do that. I'm just saying like, are people like, why is the Whale doing well?

[02:33:51] Because you can sell that movie to somebody. Yeah. I mean, there's a different argument to be had over like, should we be making movies? It's like, look at this. The sale of the Whale is just, come on, you're rooting for Brendan Fraser, right?

[02:34:03] Like it's also like, don't you want to see what this looks like? Because the trailer has like two shots of him. They only ever released that one fucking image they were used everywhere. I saw it this weekend and a couple walked out of the theater.

[02:34:16] Did you like it? I did not. Have you seen it? No, I don't like it at all. Yeah, I'm scared. I think I'm probably not. Can I give you my joke review? It's good. Thank you. He's happy with this. I'm happy. He's done this on multiple group chats.

[02:34:29] I've had to read this four times. It's up on Letterboxd. There's been good movies though. There's been good movies this year. I don't like that one. Really good movies. There's a lot of films I like.

[02:34:37] We had Triangle of Sadness, we had Tar, we had Fablemans, we had good movies. Fablemans, baby. Charles. Thank you for having me. Thank you for being here. Always a pleasure. Yeah. Favorite podcast. Hey, come on. Get out of here. Thank you. Shut the fuck up.

[02:34:53] Shut the fuck up. I will say, David, the slice and change I ate of this deep dish Little Caesars felt like I fucking ate Narcan. I've been... Like, this is heavy. I don't know how you did it. I don't know. I'm gonna...

[02:35:09] I mean, when this is done, I'm gonna tackle the rest of this and take a nap on the BlinkCheck couch. Charles, speaking of everything we're talking around right now, people should watch Search Party on HBO Max, a service that is famous for keeping things up there forever.

[02:35:24] I am scared, you guys. I think, you know, let's hope for the best. Let's hope it makes it through whatever rounds are happening. But if for whatever reason you haven't watched it yet, you fool, time might be of the essence. We know nothing. Don't jinx it.

[02:35:38] Buy it on iTunes. You can always buy it on iTunes. Physical release? There's never... No, there's been no... Well, I think... I don't know. I got an... Well, I don't know. I have no idea. Okay. I have no idea. Yeah. Yeah. No, yeah. Watch it.

[02:35:52] Watch it while you can. Watch it. Yeah. One of the great shows. You're one of the great people. Thank you. Look forward to having you on again. Thank you. I look forward to doing Yesterday with that other person. Yeah. I'll tell you what, he's a good person.

[02:36:05] I'm not... Long overdue on the show. David, once again, give him the punch. Listen. Lisp, no, I don't know. Thank you all for listening. Ringo Starr. Yes. Long overdue. Peace and love. Peace and love. I guess I'll set it out. Ringo Starr, huge blankie.

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