Treasure Planet with Emma Stefansky

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check Look at ya glowin' like a solar fire You're something special, Jim

[00:00:25] You're gonna podcast the stars you are Now, Griff, this is just in your wheelhouse You're back where you feel comfortable, I feel After weeks of singing, you know, sometimes Biting off more than I could chew Right, sometimes like trying to take on a lot, you know, but

[00:00:44] Assaulty, assaulty pirate? Space pirate? Excuse me, assaulty old cyborg? Assaulty old space dog? Literally, I mean he's literally like a dog alien, right? He's like a cyborg dog alien? It's unclear Was actually trying to figure that out, yes, what is he supposed to be?

[00:01:03] I think he's sort of supposed to be the same species as Doppler Because if you look, it's, the design is so weird it's hard to tell But he's got little like dog ears poking out from under his bandana He does

[00:01:17] And his nose kind of has a little brownishness at the tip It looks a little like a dog nose Yeah, he could be like a doberman, right? You know, like a sort of a big droopy dog or something I don't know

[00:01:31] But it's tough because he's also very fat He's a big boy And he's a cyborg and those become the two defining characteristics in a way He's got robit bits He's got robit literally Some of his bits are ro Yeah Now listen to me blank check

[00:01:50] You got the makings of greatness in you But you got to take the helm and shot your own course I agree, John, six years in we still It's just the makings of greatness The makings of greatness Wait, what about it's such a bizarre casting choice too

[00:02:08] Brian Murray as John Silver? Yeah, you got Brian Murray who's like a South African theater actor Who has like five movie credits total Like barely worked on camera, worked very little on TV Got a number of Tony nominations in his lifetime

[00:02:24] And they're just like you're the linchpin of this entire movie Yeah, he's got two It's a great performance He's very good at that must be why right? Like he must have just come in and knocked their socks off or something

[00:02:37] But he's got two video games to his credit though Treasure Planet Mm-hmm And I just looked this up The other one's called like Treasure Planet Race to Halcyon or something Bachelet, broken, whatever that is It's got skirmishes, epic 3D ship battles

[00:02:56] Right, it's five years later when Jim is an admiral And it's a fucking ship battle game Sounds pretty good Yeah, folks This is a podcast about Filmographies directors who have massive success Early on in their career When they give us a series of blank checks

[00:03:11] Make whatever crazy passion projects they want Sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce baby And of course the podcast is called Blank Check with Griffin and David I'm Griffin David, you went from a different angle But that's okay You went through a portal or something

[00:03:28] It wasn't deliberate It was an accidental temporal pinster movement Right, you just got so excited to explain the premise of our show I did Also, my brain is perpetually in a turn style these days Doing great, doing great But this is a miniseries on the films

[00:03:47] A Musker and Claremants The Disney Directors Their career works as a pretty good microcosm Of the rise and fall and rise again of the Disney Renaissance And this is the reason why they have a narrative That felt like it could fit into this podcast

[00:04:02] Now the other Disney directors do As much as all the Disney guys at this time period Were kind of company men and it's hard to totally Separate what their individual styles are This was such a passion project Such a Blank Check movie And such a bounce

[00:04:17] And then they get to sort of redeem themselves twice after this It just, it gave it such a nice shape as a miniseries This is the valley and it's a good valley Yeah, we've mentioned Trousdale and Wise Right, because they have Atlantis

[00:04:31] Which I guess I could, but they only have three movies They have Beauty and Beast, Hunchback and Atlantis So it's a little less of an arc Yeah, this has a real arc and they're retired now So it seems like the arc is completed

[00:04:44] But of course, it's a miniseries called the Puddle Murcast Of course it is I will say today on Reddit I saw people guessing what the miniseries title was going to be And for the first time I saw the Puddle Murcast Typed out Not great

[00:04:59] Well, I typed it out because I sent it to Pat Pat Reynolds For the arc And yeah, when I typed it out I was like, yeah You know, I don't know This doesn't, it kind of looks like You know, Puddle looks like Mottled You know what I mean?

[00:05:14] So that's sort of what I was getting I kind of liked it actually Puddle Murcast sounds like the name of like a crewman In this movie It sounds like the name of an alien pirate Ah, you know, they call me Puddle Murcast Emma, do you like the name?

[00:05:32] What do you think? We always have guests on before they even know what it's You know, before it's even started Yeah, this is my first time hearing it I'm imagining it spelled out right now Like in front of my eyes I like it, it's weird It's weird

[00:05:47] It's weird, like What's his name? Fuck, Jughead Jughead's the one who's weird, right? Yeah, he's weird, he's a weirdo It's weird like Jughead? You know how Jughead He has a monologue where he's like, I'm weird Like he like has a definitive like basically like Tumblr

[00:06:04] Just emerges from his mouth He just explains that he is different And I think about it all the time Do you watch Riverdale David or do you just know this through Osmosis meme culture? I watched The Pilot and I was like, I get it

[00:06:16] It's like Archie plus Twin Peaks And I watched the second episode and I was like I'm sick of this, I don't like it And that was that I think we're like six seasons in now How long has the show been running? I think it's five Five?

[00:06:28] But no, only four, wow God, it feels It feels longer I guess the fifth season is about to premiere That's where we're at I don't know, it's weird I wonder if there's a reason why the last four years In particular have felt much longer Than they actually were

[00:06:44] That specific span of time You tell me a show premiered in the fall of 2016 And it feels like it's been on twice as long as it has I'm giving you a big smile Today we're talking about treasure, planet B-b-b-bounce baby Wait, this movie bounced guys? Huh?

[00:07:02] Oh, it bounced all over the fucking universe I didn't look up the weekend numbers But I saw the final domestic total And I truly did not think In my mind that it had bounced this hard Disney movies, they're not allowed to make that little money

[00:07:18] Yeah, that's just not allowed I imagine if you adjusted for inflation There is no Disney animated film Like a proper main studio animated film That came close to bombing this hard Right? I mean How much should Atlantis make? I feel like Atlantis made like 60 or 70 It made, yeah, 84

[00:07:38] Much better Still not great, but yeah No, that was seen as a flop And then Treasure Planet said hold my mead And came in, what, hold my rum I don't know, what the fuck What a fucking space pirate's drink Brother Bear, though Brother Bear?

[00:07:55] Brother Bear made like 80 or 90 or something Had the Phil Collins bump It did get that Collins bump It made 85 Yeah, that's the thing This is the era where like Emperor's new groove is seen as A disappointment because it made like 90 You know, Atlantis and Brother Bear

[00:08:12] End up in the 80s Like they're like, those are bombs And then this just redefines what the basement is I'll tell you what the one that And it didn't do as bad as Treasure Planet But Close was Home on the Range Home on the Range topped out at 50

[00:08:25] That's the last one, that's a fart That's them just going like We're legally obligated to release this movie Imagine releasing a film with Roseanne As the star in 2004 That sort of like summed up where Disney was In 2004 where they were like Roseanne's still cool, right?

[00:08:39] And everyone's like, who? What? Roseanne is not cool Roseanne is not a person we need That's like the absolute nadir of Roseanne Yes, that's one of those movies where It had like an incredibly tortured Emperor's new groove style Burthing process where it started out as

[00:08:56] An entirely different movie And then barely resembled the original idea But it was originally supposed to be a film Called I Believe Sweat and Bullets About talking sentient bullets That's correct Right, and then like the whole cast Remained the same but it somehow became A ranch movie

[00:09:13] Yeah, it was going to be A bullet musical A western musical And it came up with it right after Pocahontas KD Lang was going to do the whole score And Roseanne's in it It was like the mid 90s, baby They were like, oh god, oh shit, it's 2004

[00:09:30] You guys are still interested in our Oh, you don't want it? Oh no, okay But it was Roseanne and Cuba Gooding Jr. In like 1995 And they were like, we got the two biggest stars Signed up and the movie comes out a decade later

[00:09:44] And everyone's like, just pretend it doesn't exist And even that outgrows Treasure Planet What about Meet the Robinsons? That did bad, right? No, that did like a hundred million Yeah, I felt like that movie was pretty popular This is rough What so mean to Treasure Planet?

[00:10:00] Once they pivot to CGI All of them start doing better That's the thing, like even if they were expensive Right, they just sort of automatically, right Right, like Chicken Little did like 140 Meet the Robinsons did 100 130 or something Chicken Little had the BRAF fun It had the BRAF fun

[00:10:20] Do you think? No, you know what I'm not going to make a joke about that graph I'm not going to do it, I'm going to be a bigger man In 2021 I'm above a BRAF joke Our guests today should know that they

[00:10:32] Do have permission to make a BRAF joke if they want And it's no pressure, they don't have to They don't have to fill the void left by David's lack Of a BRAF joke, it's a free society I really don't have one in me

[00:10:43] I didn't prepare anything about BRAF I was just thinking, look No, I don't want to make the BRAF joke I don't want to do it I think you do Well, because he's in Chicken Little Right, he is the titular Little Chicken Little Correct And Florence Pugh, his partner

[00:11:03] I assume they're still together Yes Was born in 1996 And Chicken Little came out when? 2006? 2004, I believe So she was eight years old? It's four or five Yeah So I'm just wondering if she like First was exposed to Zach Braff when he was playing a cartoon chicken

[00:11:20] I was just thinking about it Probably Probably And I wanted to make a joke about it But you know what I'm sure they're happy together in their nice house With their big kitchen I think the way that Sexy Fox Robinhood Was a real eye-opening

[00:11:35] Film for a lot of young children I think Florence Pugh had her sexual awakening Watching Chicken Little as an eight-year-old This is the kind of joke I didn't want to make And I brought it on this podcast It's been made now It's been made now Florence Pugh

[00:11:50] Ah, god damn Became a woman when she saw Chicken Little No, no, alright Okay I don't have to tell it off Cut it all out Keep it in and double it Gary Marshall is the second lady Pays buck-clock Yeah, it's a weird fucking movie Patrick Stewart's The Villain

[00:12:06] You know what the plot of the Chicken Little movie is? This guy is falling Okay, right So we all know Chicken Little, the sky is falling Emma, did you see this movie just after I I feel like I did Isn't it like Aliens? Yes, thank you Emma

[00:12:20] The premise of the movie The hook to the movie Is Chicken Little says the sky is falling Everyone says he's a liar And he's wrong He doesn't understand It turns out in fact Classic Chicken Little situation Right, it turns out in fact There are aliens Who have created

[00:12:34] A weird video screen in the sky To make it look like They're not about to inflate the planet And one of the tiles of that video screen Is what fell out And hit Chicken Little in the head And so he's the only person Trying to warn people

[00:12:46] About an oncoming alien invasion There you go That sounds like a good movie The logical modern retelling Of the Chicken Little story Right, it's like War of the Worlds Combined with the Truman Show Starring a chicken I'm just trying to imagine Bob Iger, you know

[00:13:02] At show West being like So we thought What's the 21st century Chicken Little story Right, and then he like Advances a slide or something You know, like you know Like that's what That's just how it sounds to me But you also have to remember

[00:13:15] That's one of the ones That he kind of like inherited They were like So you guys are making a I didn't mean to shiv Iger I was just sort of thinking Any Disney CEO Insert Disney CEO here They also just So badly wanted to make movies

[00:13:30] That did not feel Like Treasure Planet And did not feel like Pocahontas Like they didn't want to make Princess musicals And they didn't want to make This kind of earnest Adventure film Serious, world-building Right, you know Right, everything had to be Sort of shrekky postmodern

[00:13:47] You know kids adventures and fun Yeah I don't think I like This movie as much as our guest Have we introduced our guest We have to do that I don't know how you feel About Treasure Planet Griffin But it doesn't do anything That's annoying about modern animation Basically

[00:14:02] Or it avoids so much of the shit That I don't like And I just have to give it Props for that alone And we'll talk about all the other You know what I mean There's no fucking bullshit Right, and one could argue It was punished for that

[00:14:17] At the American box office Exactly They were like Where's all the bullshit This thing needs to have more bullshit Yeah And not only was it Like such a calamitous failure This is the movie that That kind of put the final nail on the coffin For a hand-drawn animation

[00:14:34] I would say Because it's like After this They go like Stop every movie that isn't far enough Too far along to cancel, right? Right So it's like The brother bear Brother bear and home in the range They're just They make it out It was too late

[00:14:50] To fucking cut your losses on those two But everything grinds to a halt After the release of this movie Tangled Which would have been I think next up Hand-drawn originally And then It went through many titles Would be so much better If it was Andrew

[00:15:03] The movie that ended up being frozen Was in development at this point It was the Ice Princess Or the Snow Queen Or went through 8,000 different titles But doing some variation On a Snow Queen movie This just ends everything And also ends Even other studios

[00:15:21] Attempting to make anything like this Again, it scares everyone off of All of this no bullshit Kind of classical animation And our guest Loves it She's the Queen of the Bugs What an intro You know her by her nickname Her nickname I love it Of course

[00:15:41] Or not even nickname Let me say her famous catchphrase Bugs Bugs I say that all the time She's the Queen of the Bugs But her catchphrase on this podcast Is Bugs Wait, is that from Miss Peregrine? I don't even remember Oh, I think I remember saying that once

[00:16:01] Yeah, I was trying to start a sentence And I didn't Couldn't finish it I think I was setting you up saying Emma, you love books, right? And you went, yeah That's the kind of energy we need In 2021 Is we're going to tackle all this country's problems Emma Stefanski

[00:16:22] Hi Folks I'm a journalist She's at Thrillist.com I am at Thrillist.com And actually, I come with a fact I come with many facts today But I do come with an answer To your question from the beginning of this Podcast which was What is

[00:16:37] John Silver's alien race? He is an alien He's something called an Ursed Which is like a man bear Which you don't really know Bear Yeah That's why he sort of looks A little bit animal-y Yeah I thought he was dog-like But I see it Yeah

[00:16:56] It's subtle hints of animal His hands have that The one hand has like The little claw fingernails The other hands are robot hands Just to be honest with you Yeah, I don't know if you caught that Emma, I know you've seen this film Multiple times

[00:17:09] But there's a very subtle detail In this movie Which is that he's got a robot arm You know, finally I finally caught that This time watching it But I'm glad that you Reminded me Yeah, a robot hole Half of his body Eagle-eyed viewers might catch

[00:17:21] We should make a list You should submit this to Thrillist, Emma To time out when this episode comes out Like 30 treasure planet Easter eggs you might have missed That's a really good idea I'll give you a couple of them quickly The treasure is in a planet Sure

[00:17:38] Silver is part-rubbit Sure Sure Okay The Ship is a spaceship But it's also like a sea-ship It's got sails Right, it's like a space sea-ship Jim Hawkins is a surfer Wait, don't write that down yet I didn't finish He's a solar surfer Hell yeah He's tubular He's radical

[00:18:07] That's the most bullshit adjacent This movie gets It's opening with Like this guy does extreme sports in space Oh yeah, he grinds He grinds like the cosmos It's cool, but I'm just saying That's like the number one thing that almost feels like a studio note

[00:18:23] Where it's just like That and the Goo Goo Dolls song Are the two things where you're like Well this isn't right But Those are the two things I love about the movie Of course, no, but this is the thing

[00:18:33] I don't even think either of those things are bad I just think in 2002 People were like No, you can't fool me Disney I know you guys are a bunch of cheesy clowns I don't think you're cool just because you have a

[00:18:46] Guy with a ponytail on a surfboard thing Like you're not going to fool me It's funny, I was just thinking about like This Titan AE And Atlantis kind of function as a trilogy Right, this attempt to shift The perception of hand-drawn animation To like

[00:19:05] Wait, what if hand-drawn animated films are actually Sci-Fi action movies And I think it's a response to Pixar Yes, sure Sure But they're also They're all sort of a little steampunky Which is sort of cool at the time And they're all like Still cool You know So cool

[00:19:25] And they're all like hand-drawn animation With lots of 3D elements So it can seem like dazzling and modern Right And floppy haired boy characters They all have the hair that does this They all do that Even the guy in Anastasia, Dmitri He has that hair too Dmitri

[00:19:44] The weirdest of all of them It's like the The Brendan Fraser hairdo Where you got the hair curtains Or as I sometimes like to call it The boy Rachel There's something about Dmitri And we will talk about it in Anastasia one day Because we'll do blue

[00:19:58] At some point And we'll talk about Titan AE That's also blue That's right That's also blue That's also blue I thought you'd like that Something about Dmitri He looks too much like John Cusack They give him like full cheeks Or something just to like

[00:20:15] Make him look a little more grown up And it makes him look like a creep to me His chin is really distracting When you get the chin like on the profile I remember watching the movie as a kid And being like this man

[00:20:26] He looks like an old man He's like Right, too grown up Here wait, I'm gonna do I'm gonna make it my background I now want everyone to weigh in See I think he looks exactly Like Billy Zayn and Titanic He does, yes

[00:20:42] Yeah, he's got a little of that Sure, right, yeah Was that what they were going for? I don't know Because it was before Titanic Right? Or the same year But it's weird Like his hair looks like a wig Like Billy Zayn and Titanic

[00:20:56] Even though it's an animated movie Everyone's hair is fake Somehow his hair looks particularly fake Right, I'm like It's this guy with a rug What's up with Dmitri? What's going on with this guy? Wait, this one's even weirder Like what? Yes, this What's up with this? He's weird

[00:21:15] I'm not turned on by this guy I don't want to run away with him That weird sort of crevice Only on one side of his mouth Yeah, right I think it's something about how Bluth animates Yeah Slightly more realistic The Titan AE guy is the same

[00:21:31] He sort of has that same like face shape Now Titan AE guy is Damon Is it Matt Damon? Is Matt Damon? Yeah Matt Damon, Michael J. Fox And Joseph Gordon Leavitt Are the three heroes of these Three animated action films The trifecta The gang

[00:21:48] I'm not going to give you And this is a, you know what I knew this was Joseph Gordon Leavitt I remember it from the time And this is like Yep, there he is It's almost the exact same face It's weird I'll say this too Jim Hawkins is like

[00:22:04] The exact same haircut as this Where it's like the Rachel But then with the undercut In the back and the sides But then Jim Hawkins adds The padwan braid He's got the braided ponytail Coming just out Of the back of the neck The nape of the neck

[00:22:19] But there's no other hair around that Everything else around the braided ponytail Is shaved It's like the cool like 90s Boy hairstyle That wasn't like frosted tips Jonathan Taylor Thomas At Jason, I would say Yeah, sure Yeah, Joseph Gordon Leavitt Doesn't really sound like

[00:22:39] Your impression of Joseph Gordon Leavitt In this movie until There's a few moments at the end That you can when he's getting more serious That he gets a little more like loaded die Yeah, I think this I was trying to sort of like Carbon date this and

[00:22:54] Joseph Gordon Leavitt Really did a sort of A soft Gosling of just deciding Like I don't want to be seen As a child star anymore I've decided this is how I'm going to talk Right? Like he sort of did A complete vocal change Agree

[00:23:08] Because I think he was such Like he wasn't like a child superstar But he was a very visible child star He was in a lot of stuff He was on fucking primetime television For the better part of a decade He was like known

[00:23:20] And he was very squeaky voice Which is how he sounds in this Like he sounded more like me Where he's just like, come on, silver You know like he's There's almost like a Michael J. Fox Thing there And this movie because animation takes

[00:23:34] So long and especially at this point in time I feel like Disney would often try to like Guess who would maybe be a star Three or four years in the future Like they were like, oh, just according to Leavitt Third Rocks ending is he going to become

[00:23:46] A leading man But this coincides with Joe Go soft retiring He had this period where he was like I kind of got burned out on acting After I left Third Rock from the sun Since I was a kid I didn't know if I wanted to do it anymore

[00:23:59] But I was like left and I sort of went on my Like soul searching journey And then I came back to acting with like A renewed passion started doing all these Sundance movies, right? Yeah, that's you know Mysterious skin and brick and havoc

[00:24:10] You know that's where it's like Oh wow, like J. Joe's The Gordon Leavitt It's all grown up This is coming out one year After Third Rock from the sun Goes off the air This movie, Churchill Planet Right, that's the thing

[00:24:22] So I remember him doing press for this movie But also sort of being like I may be kind of walking away from all of this Shit When I say press for this movie I remember him doing like a fucking Movie surfers episode or whatever But seeming uncomfortable

[00:24:35] That he had to even promote this movie And yeah, then he comes back in a couple years And he has like mysterious skin And brick at Sundance And then he's like done the octave shift down Where now he's Right, he's got the like

[00:24:49] The soft Keanu thing going on You know But it feels like he made a conscious decision I mean I know he's playing younger Than he is in this movie So perhaps he was trying to play up the youthful elements But this watching this Just reminds you how fundamentally

[00:25:05] Different his voice used to be Which also underlines why I am so fascinated with the way he talks now Because it does feel like a 40 year old man Still trying to prove to people I am a grown up I am not a child star

[00:25:19] This is how an adult man talks Oh boy, Treasure Planet So Griffin Ron Clemens and John Musker's Passion Project We're here to talk about it They pitched it 1985 1985 This film was almost 20 years in development You know this Emma, right? Yeah, they kept telling him no

[00:25:41] Yeah, they kept saying no We talked about how Disney Eisner and Katzenberg Kept on Lucy Van Pelting This movie as the football To Musker and Clemens Charlie Brown The thing I found While digging back into this movie in particular Is that it was after Aladdin

[00:26:01] When that was so big That, and they were just like Sorry we just don't like this pitch They went up to Roy Disney And Roy Disney interfered And said like please, please let them do this I think this is worth doing And begrudgingly

[00:26:17] Eisner and Katzenberg like made a contract for them That was if you make Hercules first We promise we will take Treasure Planet seriously after that But it was like contingent on Doing another movie first And I think they hoped that maybe Somehow they would slip out of actually

[00:26:35] Having to take Treasure Planet to the finish line But they did They did finally do it They did I mean Katzenberg was gone at that point Yes Yeah, he didn't have to oversee this That's a good point Right, Katzenberg's got a good point But yeah, no and also

[00:26:51] We'll talk about it But like by the time they're actually making it The technology is there for them to make This sort of dramatic looking movie That maybe they couldn't have made in 1985 Absolutely Now Yeah, well that's what they did as they waited A little bit They waited

[00:27:06] Emma, you love this movie You're a big fan I'm a huge fan, yeah You've seen it a number of times I can recite the whole thing That's what David said And I didn't know if he was exaggerating or not

[00:27:16] But you really think you can recite the entire movie Well, the clearest of nights The wins, the Ethereum were common peaceful Great merchant ships with their cargoes of Arcturion Solar crystals filled safe and secure Little did they suspect That they were pursued by pirates Fux!

[00:27:32] Not an easy start Arcturion? Like what? A bunch of words getting thrown at you right away Yeah, I mean you absolutely called my bluff there Emma Did not Yeah, so Emma This film came out Thanksgiving time 2002 Now I was 16 years old I did not see this film

[00:27:53] I thought this film looked stupid Probably would have said something to those To that effect Cause I was a cool teenager And I was like What's this shit treasure planet? Disney's out of ideas Get out of here Yeah, no you are a famously cool teenager

[00:28:09] You definitely said something to that effect To your friends on the Oscar watch Message boards Roast me That's the thing, yes I was not cool at all But I was sort of like Oh I'm not seeing that Now Griffin In 2002 you would have been what 13-ish I was 13

[00:28:28] I mean I remember vividly That all of my friends thought this looked stupid No one would have been caught dead In the theater seeing this My mulligan was that I had A much younger sister Right So Romali was I was 13 Romali would have been 4

[00:28:46] When this movie came out So I like right at the age When all of my friends no longer Wanted to see animated movies I used the get out of jail card Of like oh I'm just taking my sister to them But I wanted to see every animated movie

[00:29:00] I would have been Having a crisis figuring out How to go see these movies Without letting anyone know Had I not had a little sister Romali honestly too young for this Did you really take Romali? Yeah Absolutely My mom and Romali and I went to see this

[00:29:16] And I just remember even as a 4 year old The kind of active disinterest Romali clearly had the entire running time She wasn't even scared or bored There was just like an absence of a movie Happening in front of her But did you what was your opinion

[00:29:32] Of Treasure Planet Going around the room here At the time You know I was still a big animation But sort of trying to hide it For my friends to a degree And I knew somewhat about the legacy For this movie And I also think I wanted

[00:29:47] This shift to work I liked the idea of oh my god What if Disney What if hand drawn animation can Re-classify itself as fucking sci-fi action Movies then will they be cool to see again Do I not have to give up on this

[00:30:01] And the first two had not really worked Right? Right, Titanay and The other one we were just talking about Yeah, Atlantis Atlantis, yeah Yeah, which I mean Actually ends up being the most successful Of the three of these movies But Treasure Planet had this like Amazing teaser trailer

[00:30:22] It had a teaser trailer where it used John Williams score from far and away And it has like almost no dialogue in it And it's just kind of the best Money shots of the ships And the surfing and all that sort of shit And it felt really epic

[00:30:35] And I was like oh they might pull this off Like they might actually make this movie Seen cool to teenagers And then by the time it came out You had like a trailer with fucking floppy Dog-eared David Hyde Pierce Ailey And I was like I am never convincing

[00:30:50] Any friend of mine to go see this It is done But I think I guess at least it will Probably be a hit with families And then I just remember going to see it With Romney my mother Thanksgiving weekend probably We saw it at the

[00:31:04] Second Avenue and 12th Street Theater Which for those of you who don't know Don't live in New York City It's this independent Multiplex that has One incredible like Old movie palace screen It looks like a synagogue It's this beautiful giant temple Yes You can look it up

[00:31:24] City cinemas Second Avenue and 12th Street And see pictures of it It looks like an opera hall And any movie Seen at that screen opening weekend Tended to feel even more epic And I just remember going to see it With three other people in the theater

[00:31:38] And being like this movie is so Radically uncool And I kind of liked it I didn't love it I would have loved to have loved it I respected it a lot And for the last 20 years I've sort of I've never revisited it But I've always gone like

[00:31:54] If I watch that today Would I think this is a secret masterpiece It's one of the reasons I so badly wanted To do Musker and Clements And I feel pretty much Exactly the same as I did in theaters You liked it but didn't Sure, okay Now Ben

[00:32:09] I'm assuming you did not see the film in theaters Despite it having Ben energy No I did not I was 17 years old This was the furthest from my mind possible Yeah, I mean you were here Right As we were talking off mic

[00:32:23] Just a lot of Ben things in this movie Oh absolutely So many things Yeah, I mean I just Saw this for the first time A few mere hours ago And I'm excited to get into all the details Because there's some really fucking fun

[00:32:38] Space dog pirate ass shady characters A little shady A little shady Yeah Emma's pumping her fists Arsenio Hall audience style I did have the thought watching this movie Like 30 minutes in If this exact same script Was done in 2002 As like a live action movie Directed by Steven Summers

[00:33:01] It would have been a hit I was literally going to say Not exactly that same thing But like this is Could be translated easily to live action This is that kind of thing Yeah and I think it would have worked I think it absolutely

[00:33:11] Like Ben would have absolutely Have gone to see this in theaters If it were live action Right, if this movie had the same visual aesthetic But was done with 2002 era CGI Definitely You would have gone like Oh that looks cool It's fucking space pirates

[00:33:26] And the fact that it was like A Disney movie just It killed both audiences At the same time Like anyone who liked Disney was like This doesn't look like what I like about Disney And anyone who wanted to see A fucking salty space pirate movie

[00:33:39] Was like why are they all adorable Right Alright now, okay so Emma You're the star here In terms of seeing Treasure Planet But did you see it in theaters in 2002 I did I went to see it with a friend of mine You would have been I'm guessing Around 10

[00:33:56] I was still nine at that point That was the year I turned 10 But I was still nine Right you're a December birthday I went with a friend We both loved it We both had the same reaction We were like this movie rules

[00:34:09] And I didn't know for probably years That it was like not a popular Like that it was a huge flop I had no idea I showed this to my friends At like sleepovers and everyone was like Oh yeah this is the rules

[00:34:21] And we were just in this blissful bubble Not aware that you know You know this like tanked drawn animation Around the world essentially This killed it yeah Right it was an art form killer I guess not around the world Because Japan and so on

[00:34:42] Still happily hand drawn things But in America yes In Hollywood at least yes Yeah I did not know that So you just loved it You converted friends to it And you kept the torch of flame All these many years I like I was drawing a lot back then

[00:34:59] Like I still do And my like art style was very obviously influenced By this movie I was drawing a lot of like creatures I drew a lot of ships Like this type of ship Yeah this was it was way Bit deep into my head Never coming out

[00:35:15] I mean this was a big thought I had watching this film Like just I kept on just thinking Like what an odd duck this is right Like just what an obviously Like everything I like about it Is directly tied to why It could not find an audience in 2002

[00:35:39] Why it just landed with a thud But the movie this most reminds me of Is Jupiter Ascending Yeah Jupiter Ascending And I think it's why I've always said That movie like hit people the wrong way Is that like people were like

[00:35:53] Oh it's a fucking cool ass Wachowski space movie And they were like no it's like secretly a Disney movie Like we're making a Disney movie With fucking animal aliens And like a bobbly gold spaceships and shit And this movie feels like the same kind of thing

[00:36:09] That's very true about Jupiter Ascending Right it's the flip side of the young In Congruity Cause you're always like oh Jupiter Ascending Right like that thing is a fucking phantasmagoria And it's like no it's about this special girl Who has a golden telescope

[00:36:23] Who looks into the stars and like wishes she was good You know and she's a janitor And then she turns out she's a princess You know like She's an alien princess It's got that sort of like goofy fairy tale Sincerity which I think this movie has As well

[00:36:40] And I mean I think this film is better than Titan AE But Titan AE sucks Yeah no I agree I know you agree I'm just so annoyed because I rewatched it I don't know in the last couple years And I was like come on surely this is good

[00:36:55] And it's such a stinker and I don't even know why I'll say whenever we do Don Bluth And whenever we do Titan AE Ben Edelund has one of the three Screenwriting credits on that movie And I want to have him on the episode

[00:37:06] To talk about whatever the weird process Of that movie was Cause I think he's alluded to it at times To me and it sounds like it was a very Weird development That movie is not good But my point I was going to say is

[00:37:17] That movie does a better job of affecting A sort of hollow badass attitude Right? Like really trying to go like This is not for kids It's PG-13 I forget who does the song for that movie But there's a similar kind of like Goo Goo Dolls adjacent song

[00:37:37] Oh it's a fucking I'm in over my head It's lit my friend It's lit It's lit Right And then Atlantis has like the Mike Mignola thing It's an original story It's structured a little bit more like an action film And the comic relief characters in it

[00:37:57] Aren't like goofy animals and shit They're like funny Like they're like Jerry Bruchheimer Comic Relief characters you know And you dig Atlantis right Emma That's another thing for you Oh my god It's like maybe second behind this one It's so cool I love it Right

[00:38:15] But there's just nothing badass about this movie Which is what's so refreshing about watching it But it was just fucking doomed If you just think about like Not just the Pixar movement But Shrek is the year before this right So Shrek has just fucking folded

[00:38:31] The entire Disney kingdom like laundry Like whatever chance there was of a teenage boy Still being talked into seeing a Disney movie Shrek just made everyone go like Oh yeah no that's stuff stupid right I like Shrek he farts and shit There's farts in this movie though

[00:38:49] But there are such like Nickelodeon farts Yeah that's true they're not like gross necessarily Or like as wet as Shrek Yeah and then Stitch comes out this exact same year as well Which is sort of Disney hand drawn doing their own Shrek

[00:39:08] We talked about how the Stitch campaign Was all based around like he's the bad boy Of the Disney family This guy is a freak Right he's burping on the beast and whatever But it was just like this movie just had no fucking

[00:39:25] Shot and it is fascinating that Stitch was like Made by like the weird B team and like you know I think it was literally animated in Hawaii Is that possible? I couldn't tell you but I'll try and find out Right now It was not the main animation studio

[00:39:43] It was like a satellite studio they set up It was a much smaller movie smaller budget Meant to just sort of be a programmer This was their big epic holiday release And then Stitch was a huge hit This was their biggest bomb ever

[00:39:55] And this was such a bomb that even Stitch having come out fucking six months later Earlier couldn't have saved hand drawn animation You know? I couldn't I don't see any evidence that they actually Worked on it in Hawaii but certainly obviously It has that sort of watercolor style

[00:40:14] And it's set in Hawaii obviously Very nice and obviously it's in Hawaii But like that's it I mean do you like Lilo and Stitch? I mean this is it's just Yeah This shit just always fascinates me in terms of like How you and I are the same generation

[00:40:29] But like it's in the children's films where the Golfs are widest We were talking about like childhood cartoons I think a few days ago That's another thing What I was talking about You were talking about Courage the Cowardly Dog And what's another one you were talking about?

[00:40:45] I mean like my touchstones would be like Kim Possible and Teen Titans Code Lyoko weird shit like that And of course I've heard of all these things But like mine were like Ren and Stimpy And Rugrats and you know Rock-Rose Modern Life or whatever right

[00:41:00] Like and it's just again like just That's just happenstance You're six years old right like that's just the diet That's cast maybe not anymore with the With the streaming and all that you know the streaming griffin But but I also feel like this is

[00:41:16] Maybe the Disney movie with the least Nostalgia around it considering that the internet Is now like fucking 20% Disney nostalgia Right like that's 20% of all content On the internet There's no princess which is an issue right because There's no princess into like a linked universe somehow

[00:41:36] So it doesn't get to be part of that world The romance is a fucking comic subplot It's a dog and a cat having babies together And they're both stuck up adults They do Stuck up adults voiced by great actors I just typed treasure planet into Tumblr though

[00:41:54] And I got some stuff I got some kind of cool emo art We're still out there There's probably a little bit there you know any Disney thing But I agree with the griffin that certainly this is an Underdiscussed part of the franchise Really though all all Jack Hawkins

[00:42:12] Which yeah you know you know it's here I'm gonna Here I'm gonna make it my background guys this is exciting Are you excited for this? This one I really like it's not it's not no come on There's a reason I don't look this shit Ah fuck it doesn't

[00:42:26] He's wearing a sweater but it's I'm gonna go to here I'll just link you to it You know who Jack Hawkins also looks like Griffin Jim Sorry sorry sorry not Jack Do you know who he looks like though Griffin Who?

[00:42:40] The guy from how to train your dragon as well Also has that energy Oh hiccup Hiccup You know like the the hair and the okay now Griffin You've got this fucking disgusting Madame Tussaud's doll And I'm realizing what the problem with it is

[00:42:56] Is that the eyes are at cartoon size Yeah and on a on a you know mannequin that just Looks insane This is literally a Madame Tussaud's it was The first two fictional characters they ever included In any of their locations were Jim Hawkins

[00:43:14] And Cyborg Silver and the Jim Hawkins one is Terrifying because it's like Madame Tussaud's Level realism applied to a fucking Disney handsome Boy face He looks like he has like pores in his skin even Yes, but he must I mean he's got rooted eyebrows

[00:43:31] And hair and like yeah realistic teeth and shit It's a terrifying but yeah no it's I just think I even see more online nostalgia For Atlantis and I also think it's notable That I have never once heard even a whisper Of them remaking this and the Atlantis

[00:43:52] Rumors continue to go like oh Disney wants to do With Tom Holland whether that's true or not Those rumors circulate I have not heard a murmur About doing this one again it feels like the one That they're not even going to touch

[00:44:06] It's because it's perfect the way that it is It's because it's perfect the way it is Is that why Tom Holland is popular because he Look and I like Tom Holland I enjoy I enjoy the work Of him but also he looks like the boy we're talking

[00:44:18] About like every single like you know Treasure Planet, Atlantis, Titan 8 He just looks like that that's just what he is And he's got the voice like he's like Oh come on uh Treasure Planet Come on what are you talking about guys

[00:44:31] You want me to do a lip sync oh I guess so I guess I'll do it to Rihanna's umbrella That's the thing he's just fancasted as everything Now every little guy Right right people want him to play Fucking Link they want him to play Milo

[00:44:45] Of course they do In Atlantis they want him to play Every boy yeah He has a very like androgynously handsome boy Face I think is the appeal Like it's not a Timothy Shalame situation Where he's like all angles and shit Like Tom is very round

[00:45:01] Yeah he does have a nice round face You want to give him a little pinch He's cute And his American accent is good But it sounds like a cartoon character He speaks like a cartoon American boy No but you have you he sounds like a tugboat

[00:45:15] That's your old thing Griffin Oh my thing was but I was using that In a pejorative way I know you were I said Orlando Bloom in Elizabeth Town Sounds like a talking train Who teaches you how to read Do you know what this is? A cat that's right

[00:45:36] Is that someone that like an adult If they just hear the tones will be like Oh god He's talking again He picked up the book that talks oh god Fuck it's Orlando the train again Oh my god Treasure Planet Now Emma did you care about Treasure Island

[00:45:56] The you know the Robert Louis Stevenson book Were you were you invested in the The source material The source material I'm sure that I had read like some A bridge like children's version of it And I had seen I know that I had seen Muppet Treasure Island

[00:46:10] Before this Another problem for this movie That's only seven six years before right Yeah and then I saw this And so and but then this became sort of in my mind like I've sort of thought like this is more or less An accurate like portrayal of the book

[00:46:27] Besides the fact that you know everything And then I read the actual book And was like there's not This is different like I would I sort of Felt like a little bit separated from it Just by the fact that I had seen this movie

[00:46:40] And had had that like notion in my head this whole time And then I read the book and was like Hmm I don't know if I like this as much Right the skeleton of the plot is Is basically the same You know there's the captain Flint

[00:46:52] And there's Ben Gunn is right Yeah you know but yeah No it's not that similar I mean there's For one and you guys may not realize this Because it's a subtle difference but this film is set in Outer space Yeah right the entire treasure is a planet

[00:47:07] Griff do you you like Muppet Treasure Island Griffon I know that I love Muppet Treasure Island that's why I was Going to ask Emma books Stefansky Do you think Muppet Treasure Island is More faithful as an adaptation than this Yeah it might be right

[00:47:25] I think it is because I think most of the characters Are the same Right this one kind of takes out a lot Right because the David I. Pierce character Drupy dog or whatever his name is Is like Squire Trelawney And he's the other guy right

[00:47:42] Right yes Fawzi and Bunsen Honeydew or whatever He's a combination he's a Bunsen and a Fawzi He's called Dr. Doppler Which is a cool name Not a cool guy though He's kind of cool I don't know if he's kind of cool

[00:48:00] He's sweet and he's funny I don't think we can use the word cool I like this movie Emma I'm here for the Defense I don't think we can use the word Cool definitely not This is of course the just the Golden age of David hide pierce voice performances

[00:48:13] Starting with a Bugs life right You've got Osmosis Jones of course You've got this you've got hell boy I mean just do you need a squirrely You know nerdy guy David hide pierce is at your Becken call he's the only one He's uptight like that's his type

[00:48:32] My man is uptight I love David hide pierce So much he is the true definition Of whence he bet he is never bet Yeah yeah no you're right You're absolutely right he's he's So fucking good

[00:48:48] Sideshow Cecil Terwilliger I feel like you left that off the list of his Important late 90s Incredible though voice over Ron And we have to we must respect absolutely right yes But there's there's an early moment early on this film

[00:49:00] I was just like trying to clock as I was watching it I was remembering the feeling in the theater of being like I would never be able to convince any of my friends to stay in the theater right now If I was seeing this with other 13 year olds

[00:49:11] Sure they would walk out That's what you're thinking they'd be like we're out of here I truly I remember having that thought of like if I had gone to see this with friends They would say let's go to a different movie Let's sneak out into a different screen

[00:49:24] Is it like when I took my friends to see Alexander and they stayed through the entire three and a half hour movie Only because they thought that for some reason Angelina Jolie was going to be naked in it

[00:49:34] And then they were furious with me that she wasn't even though I had promised them no such thing Yeah also like Rosario Dawson has the most nudity anyone has ever had in that movie

[00:49:44] There is nudity in the film but they and I believe I even was like what are you talking about That was a sexy movie they were like I can't believe you've done this They were literally the vine of the angry British boy Continue I'm so sorry

[00:49:56] What's the follow the year after this but I told everyone that Hulk ruled and then everyone like yelled at me This is the origin of our podcast Yeah exactly but the early trunk of the movie where it's just like you have the opening that Emma so beautifully recited

[00:50:13] Emma's eyes I want to say glowed green as she did that by the way They did once the book is closed so to speak and you're in the reality of like Jim Hawkins and his mother, Andy's mom

[00:50:27] The movie is so squarely back in Disney territory like it's got such an earnest Disney vibe Not just to the look but the vocal performances and the energy and the score and all that sort of stuff

[00:50:40] And in that early chunk when like you're watching this movie that's ostensibly been sold off of this largely word list Here's all the eye candy look at the explosions and the ships set to John Williams music teaser trailer

[00:50:52] And then it's like oh you have 390 sitcom stars having a talk in what looks like a colonial reenactment bar in space You know so it's like everyone is dressed up in like these like dorky period clothes despite being in the space and future

[00:51:09] And it's it's fucking the kid from third rock the aunt from Roseanne and the brother from Frazier And it's just like this this movie is I think this movie is lovely but then the guy from the prisoner shows up

[00:51:26] That's not you know right right in his final vocal performance there's something so I mean so much of this movie's charm to me Is that I don't think Musker and Clements have it in them to be strategically edgy

[00:51:43] I mean they cannot be cool you know it's just like there's cool shit in this movie but they cannot be like cool Like that they are incapable of putting a poochie in a film

[00:51:54] And like absolutely and that's right that's what if this film were made by Dreamworks five years later It would be fucking swimming in poochies it'd be called poochie planet probably but like you know they do Hercules

[00:52:07] And they're like our take on this is it's like a 40 screwball commie like you know and they get away with it but like that's their energy

[00:52:14] Their energy is not gonna be this is radical and extreme like you know this is the kind of thing you can put in a Sega Genesis game Like that's just not how they think they can you know Disney can do its work to try and you know right

[00:52:28] But like you're right that they are and like to think that this is the thing they had nursed I know I think it I think it was Clements. Yeah, it was Clements who had nursed at the longest for 20 years almost

[00:52:42] They just have inherently goofy energy which I think any listener of this show will know I say as a compliment But they have inherently goofy energy and we talked in the little mermaid episode about how they seem to be

[00:52:55] Of all the Disney directors in this period the ones who are the best at tonal balance That when you get to the movies that are a little more self serious like Pocahontas and hunchback and Mulan

[00:53:07] The comic relief characters kind of butt up against like the very threatening villains and the more serious themes Like it just feels a little bit misshaped and this movie doesn't have that problem because they choose to take all the elements

[00:53:23] That other people would have tight in a style tried to make seem cool and put them at the exact level as Doppler You know like everything is working around harmonizing around the persnickety dog professor

[00:53:37] Now Emma do you wish to intervene here and remind tell us that no this movie is actually the coolest or do you know what we're going for I mean no I understand I do I do think that it's cool

[00:53:49] I think that the opening when it goes from him as a little boy to like and then it says like 12 years later And the screen that's the only title thing that we ever get right and he's like on his solar thing and it's like that's cool

[00:54:01] That's cool and then the end when he's like doing the same thing with like the makeshift like you know windboard or whatever That's cool. The storm is cool. The ship itself is cool. We should probably talk a lot about that

[00:54:14] I want to amend my choice of words. No no griff. I think I think there was nothing wrong with what you said I just wanted Emma to come in here, but anyway, sorry go ahead. Yeah, amend your choice

[00:54:22] Yeah a lot too much. No, but I do think there's a distinction I can draw here that will make this conversation easier I think this film is successfully cool in a lot of the ways you just cited

[00:54:33] The distinction for me is there is nothing hip about this movie. Okay, sure It's not a hip movie. There's nothing it is is incredibly proudly unhip And that is the thing that the other movies of this time were trying and failing to do to some degree

[00:54:48] And this movie doesn't even try to play that game It feels like like an old story that like some sailor would be telling you A sea shanty very popular right now Oh yeah, a space shanty A space shanty Now but let's answer me this though

[00:55:06] Okay is everyone ready? Yeah, okay. They're in these ships. They got sails But they're out in the open They're in space. How they breathe it? There's an answer to this. There's an answer Okay, I was wondering this too Okay, okay, please go ahead

[00:55:23] I was like rope in space. I don't know I'm not sure about that It's not really explained and the word only appears once and it's in the intro It's like the fourth or fifth word in the entire movie

[00:55:39] But they sail through this thing in space called the aetherium Which is like these paths of air, of atmosphere that like traverse space And this is how they get around from planet to planet is like they find air

[00:55:52] So that's how they can be on a deck breathing without like a suit All I needed to hear I love it because one that makes it like a skill right You got to navigate right these eddies You need all those weird little maps and shit

[00:56:09] And two, that's way better than like oh it has like a force field you can't see Which would be the boring answer right? That's like the shitty answer This that's way cooler. This movie got an extra star from that From you saying that Thank you

[00:56:23] It is such a fascinating choice that I deeply respect that they're like No, it's just a pirate ship in space Right exactly Like they as Ben said it still seems to be largely constructed out of wood It has ropes, there aren't lasers, there isn't a dome over it

[00:56:39] When they go into like the fucking cooks quarters It looks incredibly rustic and shitty Like it's just this can fly in space It's such a clear like it speaks to the dorky little boy In muskering climbers each that they're just like

[00:56:58] Why would we change the design pirate ships are cool Yeah Just put a pirate ship in the stars The ship looks cool Yeah It does look cool Ships are cool I mean the old seaships are cool

[00:57:13] I assume Griff you've heard you know that there was this the 7030 law right Their sort of design philosophy was that Everything should be 70% traditional 30% sci-fi right Like never go to sci-fi Because then you're gonna be on an enterprise You're gonna have metal, you're gonna have neon

[00:57:32] You're gonna have right like then you'll just be a space movie And that's not what we're going for here and that feels that makes sense to me I like that guiding principle They wanted they wanted it to be like warmer and like more welcoming

[00:57:45] And not like all like metal and vacuum and scary Like they wanted it to be sort of like an ocean movie Without actually setting it in the ocean It's also like 70% hand drawn 30% CGI

[00:57:58] This is the most the closest one of these movies comes to being almost a straight hybrid You know because we've talked about musk and clements really kind of pioneer the integration of CGI into hand drawn But it often was just for one character or for one sequence

[00:58:18] Or for one element or something And this has like 30% of silver as a character is CGI And the cyborg parts are CGI down to even his eye is CGI at every moment Love that eye Working around hand drawn, you know Ben is CGI, the ships are CGI

[00:58:36] Some of the environments are CGI Producer Ben is CGI? This whole time? This whole time I'll say I mean we've people been complaining that we've been forgetting the nicknames But this one's a slam dunk your nickname for this is just B-E-N That's true

[00:58:50] That's your fucking musk or clements nickname Love it Thanks for bioelectronic navi It's a really interesting combination It's a thing we've probably repeated to death over the course of doing these episodes But as we're rewatching these movies comparing them to the modern studio animation landscape

[00:59:08] It's like it's a bummer that hand drawn was thrown out so entirely because there's so much potential in combining the two And this one looks like particularly smooth in a way that a lot of older

[00:59:20] And even like just a few years older animated movies that this did not No, yeah, sure There's just a really like carefully designed way that they did the motion in this

[00:59:31] I guess probably to work with the fact that a lot of it, a lot of the background stuff was CG So that it wouldn't look too like two different things trying to be one thing

[00:59:41] This was far and away and still is the most expensive hand drawn animated film in history So aside from it just belly flopping at the box office It was also the biggest spend Disney had ever done on one of these $140 million in 2002 It's a lot of money

[00:59:59] 140, 20 years ago is pretty wild It's a kind of treasure that a pirate would want There's also this thing Can you hear me? Is that a did that come through? Yes, yes, yes Okay, sorry Absolutely Disney always prided themselves on sort of fluid character animation

[01:00:18] But this one is like liquid as you said Emma Watch like Doppler speak. It's just so fun to look at him Like I just I love just looking at like his mouth movements in his eyes Like and whenever he talks I'm like I'm dialed in 100%

[01:00:32] Well, and silver is so impressive And if you remove the CGI elements and you just look at like the face acting and his body and everything He's so fluid but also he's so detailed

[01:00:44] Like it's the exact kind of thing that these studios usually try to shy away from because the more detailed a character is The harder it is to animate the more lines and shapes you have to track at every point

[01:00:54] And he's wearing all these layers. He's got all this kibble on him He's got all these roles in his flesh and everything And and his animation is unbelievable And then you add the CGI pieces onto it. It's pretty stunning That's the Glen Keane job in this movie

[01:01:11] Unsurprising one Yes, yeah I read some interview where someone was like that's like what Glen Keane is like Like saying the Glen Keane kind of has Long John Silver energy Which seems like fun. That seems like good energy He's a fun guy Just like a garrulous guy

[01:01:26] It's one of the things that I think makes Long John Silver in all adaptations In all versions such a powerful kind of evergreen character Is that he really is hard to track his allegiances at any moment

[01:01:45] And I think this movie does a particularly good job with that characterization Especially with the Brian Murray performance But just where you genuinely question it every point in time Whether or not he's being sincere When he's being rough and rowdy You question whether that's an act

[01:02:02] And when he's being nice to Jim, you question whether that's an act Well, he has that whole thing where he like right after he gives him the big talk He's like oh boy I better like you know toughen up They don't want to

[01:02:12] I don't want them to see this side of me Right There is as much as he is genuinely a scary character There is a genuine warmth and pathos to him And I think this script does a really good job of underlining

[01:02:28] The emotional longing of how much he's committed himself to this goal Of finding the treasure It feels like they front line more than the sort of greed of I want all that treasure The idea where it's just like

[01:02:42] You don't understand what I've given up in pursuit of this fucking thing He has a great line at the end I know I'm moving ahead but there's a great line where Jim is like When they're running out of the exploding shit

[01:02:53] And he's like why did you come back And he's like oh it's a lifelong obsession I'll get over it And then the ship comes and picks them up I just think that's such a great moment In the book he knew Captain Flint right That was the whole thing

[01:03:06] Yes In this obviously that's not possible Because it's hundreds of years Right because he's more of like a legendary pirate type Right but in the book as far as I It's been a long time But yeah he was like the quarter master to Captain Flint

[01:03:23] Or you know that's how he And also in the book he's scarier He's supposed to be like Flint's like The man Flint feared right Like he's supposed to be more of a rival And you know the Muppets and the Disney

[01:03:39] You know he's saying him down a little bit But there's just a father son thing Right like that's like the sort of weird dynamic Right that's the thing Because I do think it is a success Of both Muppet Treasure Island and this

[01:03:53] That they do make him on a relative scale scary They make him about as scary As those movies can handle right But obviously more adult adaptations of this material Will make him even scarier But there is that thing where like Even if he's inherently a shitty guy

[01:04:11] The paternal nature feels real That never really feels insincere In any version of Treasure Planet It's just like maybe you've identified this guy's One soft spot But it does feel like that's coming from a real place He's cool I like when you meet him

[01:04:28] I mean you know we're going through the plot Look he finds that fucking map Emma it's a spear map He gets it from Billy Bones He's told to beware the cyborg I mean like come on let's not breeze ahead Billy Bones is a pretty legendary dude

[01:04:44] Alright okay alright let's talk about Billy Bones then He's a big turtle Right you have your fucking Tony J Opening narration that Emma said You open the book, you close it You are introduced to Doppler Jim when you cut ahead to the future Solar surfing, getting in trouble

[01:05:04] Being caught by robot bobbies Robot cops I like those robo-cops they're funny They make me laugh I like that they are programmed to be able To raise their hat As if they're tipping their cap saying Like good day Take care now But that's the thing I think

[01:05:21] Musterin Klein said it was an important Difference for them was that Jim Hawkins Is always sort of a very sincere Urnist sweet kid With a taste for adventure Right usually and here he's like a team And he's like yeah he's a little rough He's an angsty teen

[01:05:37] With a skateboard But Billy Bones crashes into The inn that his mother runs It's a fucking awesome ass entrance He crashes his ship looks like A fucking bowling ball It crashes in, he's an old turtle man In a big coat True, all true. He's played by

[01:05:56] Patrick McGuggin of course Yeah his final performance And he just starts going Hard about this treasure Which Jim has heard about Read about since he was a little boy But thought was just a legend and passes on to him The Rubik's Cube The Rubik's Orb

[01:06:13] That will end up being the map to this treasure I was gonna say there's another wonderful moment Of dialogue when His mom is talking to Doppler When she's inside And she's looking at her little locket With the hologram photos of him As a little boy and he's like

[01:06:28] When he was a boy he'd always be Holding a new pet and begging me to let him keep it And then he opens the door And it's like him with this terrifying Monstrous guy Here I made in my background He's like a lizard, he's like a

[01:06:42] Komodo, yeah he's a turtle Yeah he's like a snapping turtle He looks so fucking cool But he dies almost immediately Warns them about the cyborg that's gonna come After him and then they come almost Immediately And I love, I also love

[01:06:58] When he goes to the window and he opens The window, he opens the little like The part of the window that's like a TV screen To look out, that's so cool Right it looks, they're like projecting A sunny day and then he opens it up

[01:07:10] And you see that it's pouring rain And there's cyborg pirates coming in to kill him But yeah it's like I like that it's got You take the Billy Bones character Who's always this sort of like ominous Like let me tell you a story kid kind of guy

[01:07:22] And you give him this real urgency Of like they're on my tail They'll get here any second, you know Like you're already in the adventure This isn't a choice for you You're caught up in this shit And there's stakes because the inn is

[01:07:36] All smashed up, it's all burned up or whatever So you gotta rebuild it Right, they escape to Doppler's place Jim cracks the puzzle They get the map, he feels validated That the treasure planet is real And he now has the key to get there

[01:07:52] And Doppler agrees to take Jim with him And to fund an exploration Truly so many Disney characters like Doppler Right, the big... Well the opening of Atlantis is nearly identical to this Yes, yes, I was getting that confused in my mind Oh but sir all my studies

[01:08:10] And it's like yes, yes of course But you know we couldn't possibly Like that guy Sweetie and the Beast fucking Belle's dad is basically that guy Right, you know? The guy with glasses A guy with like a house full of weird like machinery Inventions, oh his inventions

[01:08:29] I would argue that the Sultan is the Doppler of Aladdin Yeah, yeah, sure he absolutely is Except he's so dumb, what a dumb sweetie he is He shouldn't be in charge of Agrabah, Griffin They really need to change things But all of this is really efficient

[01:08:46] It's also where the difference in pacing When you don't have songs kind of becomes apparent Because you have the sort of Jim I want moment Is him sitting on the roof Listening to his mom shit talk him to Doppler Throwing stones just being sort of ornery

[01:09:04] And you're sort of programmed with this art style To have Jim like jump off the roof And take a walk in the woods And sing I can go the distance But instead that scene is punctuated by A fucking turtle man crashing and dying

[01:09:18] You're making this we're making this movie sound like Fucking the best I gotta say I mean I like this movie, yeah I know I like it too, I like it too It's because it is the best Okay so they commission the RLS legacy This is the ship

[01:09:36] You gotta mention the fact that the space port Is the crescent moon that they've been seeing out the window this whole time Very cool I gotta mention that I give you full reign to mention anything we're glossing over There's a lot of stuff

[01:09:50] There's very much your role in this episode Griff, I feel like the teaser you were talking about Opened with the crescent and then we zoom in And we seeded the crescent like a space port And that's cool Love that but yeah they commission the ship

[01:10:05] The RLS legacy named after RLS Robert Louis Stevenson right that's the joke I assume And you got Captain Amelia You got Emma Thompson here She's a cat lady And you have Aero Who's maybe my favorite character designing the movie The Rockman So cool Played by Roscoe Brown

[01:10:27] Roscoe Lee Brown from Barney Miller Dies in this movie I know that Mr. Aero Dies in the book Like I know that that's But like how many Disney movies Does a character who's not evil Die like midway through Yeah and is an apparent Yeah exactly

[01:10:47] Exactly right you can lead off with a parent death That right you're probably just in the middle of the movie It's like well he's dead and it's like He is we're not gonna go get him It's like no Fell off and it was tragic And it was tragic

[01:11:01] It was sad because even like Muppet Treasure Island Gets around that By having Aero fake his death Like they were like we can't kill Sam the eagle So he pretends he's dead And then he like cakes himself And flower and pretends he's a ghost

[01:11:15] To scare the other pirates But this one they just straight up fucking kill the guy He looks like so He's like a rock monster like what's his vibe Yeah he's like a rock He's like a he's like a fucking golem He's a boulder boy I mean

[01:11:29] I wonder if there's a species name for this Some of them don't have names but other ones do He looks sort of like the rock The big rock guy from Neverending Story He looks like the rock Kinda too Yeah or he looks like A-rock But he's a big

[01:11:45] Fucking square jaw Broad-shouldered rock Like just all fucking Doppler thinks he's the captain because he's so captain-y Yeah but he's just fucking classy Too He's got this fucking killer red Like a petticoat He has no there's no explanation for what he is He's just a rock-like being

[01:12:05] And he and the captain Have had like their friends They've been together for a long time So it sucks when he dies Because then she's sad I'm realizing that I probably like him so much Because he's just a fancy version of the thing From the Fantastic Four

[01:12:21] But that's cool What if the thing was fancy? Yeah that's really cool Yeah that's really fucking cool That would be good Yeah their dynamic is Really nice I like Amelia She's money in the bank for me Like I'm down with Emma Thompson being a I'm surprised by this

[01:12:43] You like Emma Thompson playing a bossy Round face space captain Those don't sound like A little tricorder hat You don't like any of those elements David He's got cool boots too Yeah she's got cool boots I feel like Emma Thompson just She's off Mike she's game

[01:13:01] What other cartoons has she done Griff? I feel like she's done some other voices She quit the John Lasseter Movie She was supposed to be the lead voice in this sky dance animated movie called Luck And then when Oh but they're right Lasseter was outstead Skydance hired Lasseter

[01:13:19] To be their chief creative officer And Emma Thompson wrote a big public letter Saying she could not support it Good move I heard She's the mother in brave Is there another one Well she apparently She's the Yeti elder in missing link

[01:13:35] Which I did see but I sort of Yes and she's actually really good in that And then of course She's the parrot in do little Another movie set Mostly on a ship Did you see do little Griff I forget Did you make it to do little

[01:13:51] To make it around that one I've been doing a lot less this year And I pretty much did none On that front She's kind of a lead animal That's like his right hand man Is the parrot It's that thing I mean

[01:14:07] I feel like I talk about with you A lot but that fascinating thing Where for how much she's viewed as being Like this very serious prestigious Actor here in the states Because her breakthrough was being In fucking Branagh Shakespeare movies And Merchant Ivory movies

[01:14:23] And she's also very good at Making sense and sensibility herself Like she's this classical actress It's like no she's like starting as a sketch Comedian that's like her background She has no ego She has no pretension You know There's that video of her like

[01:14:41] I don't know if she was drunk or pretending to be drunk At some awards show where she was just like talking And everyone loved it because It was delightfully funny She's so fucking funny This is what she did Like to some degree in interviews

[01:14:55] She reads like she's uncomfortable With how seriously American audiences view her She's got a pariette award My friends It's a comedy award Right, right And she was part of Footlights and everything I mean she came up with Fry and Laurie and yeah Exactly

[01:15:15] I should mention that my background On Zoom the creepy wax sculpture Is Jim Hawkins it is a photo of Emma Thompson Standing behind it smiling With her husband Greg Wise And I'm assuming one of their children Otherwise Greg Wise I suppose Has just gathered up a random child

[01:15:31] But I'm gonna assume it's They're awesome He genuinely looks like he's doing Like Jim Hawkins cosplay in this photo He's dressed almost exactly like Jim Hawkins But the point is David You looked at this and Emma Thompson Is standing over this Terrifying wax Jim Hawkins shoulder

[01:15:49] And she's got the biggest Most genuine smile and you just said Wow she really is just game for Anything She's game she's like where are we going Okay let's bring the kids to that one It'll be fun they'll like it They'll like the thing yeah

[01:16:05] I'm in the movie with this guy I want to point out This opened in February This opened five months After this movie had been an atomic bomb And she's like yeah I'll go to the opening Maybe because you know back in

[01:16:19] The day things really would open in Britain Way later like I know now they sort of do The global release like is it possible It's possible it came out that much Later in Britain because you know in Britain The Thanksgiving release is not a thing

[01:16:31] That's not a no one cares Let's see when did it come out in the UK February Valentine's Day Valentine's Day Okay it was but nonetheless As you say Griffin she knows the things A stink like it is not a hit

[01:16:45] It's not like it's going to make up all its money In the UK because they hear Abba Thompson Plays a cat in it. No I also saw Like the Disney blogs when I was looking up this thing Because I had gone to this my family went To England

[01:16:59] Around that time Like that spring of 2003 and we went To two so's and there was like that thing Included with the admission was Treasure Planetarium Which was the London plantarium where attendance Had gone down they remodeled after Treasure Planet And it was entirely Treasure Planet

[01:17:17] Themed laser light show Narrated by Silver And it had these two sculptures outside of it And it was just my mom Romali and myself I think I guess James must have been with us my dad wasn't there And we remember saying like oh it's

[01:17:31] Included in the admission do we want to do this And everyone kind of went like why not And Romali said what is this And I said this is that movie you Saw four months ago And she was like no I didn't Never happened I didn't see

[01:17:47] No Treasure Planet but it was so Bizarre to be sitting there and have it treated Like oh it's your favorite characters From Treasure Planet back again living here And it was just like back in the states We moved the fuck on from this It's over guys

[01:18:01] You stop trying to make Betch happen it's not gonna happen So I was looking at like Old Disney blogs that were reporting on when this Opened and they said like Even though the movie had failed the attendance Ended up being pretty good on Treasure Planetarium

[01:18:15] Because the film became a surprising hit In the UK After bombing in the US And I was like surprising hit it grossed Ten million dollars I guess that's fine Doesn't seem like a huge hit to me No it also just speaks to how much smaller

[01:18:31] International box office grosses were Twenty years ago I mean you know I guess that's Almost you know that's not That far from its total American Gross so I guess that's something But no that's not that good Anyway okay so Treasure Planet They're on the boat yeah I'm jealous

[01:18:49] That I didn't get to see this Treasure Planetarium Thing I would have loved it You would have loved it I'm gonna see if I can find Like a YouTube video of it So yeah but we're on the boat we meet A really important character his name is

[01:19:01] Mr. Snuff He speaks flatulay What is the language Flatula Excuse me And yeah I mean He's just got like a lot of Yeah he's got a lot of sort of Noses what would you call these little Things He's got like Like snorkeling He's got like little

[01:19:27] What do you even call them they're almost like tentacles Like suction cup things But they're but they can He can blow air through them I guess He looks like a like a big sea slug Is what he looks like Another he's got little flesh horns

[01:19:41] And the horns make toots And the toots are farts And that's how he talks Ben another one of your favorite Character Dynamics is represented in the crew Of this ship Big guy who's also a little guy Hell yeah You're a big fan of this The master blaster

[01:20:01] The quatto This takes it a step further Where it's Guy whose head is a squid And then he talks out of his tummy And there's kind of two separate people But they mostly stack on top of each other His body is a face

[01:20:17] I guess is how you'd put it Right his what's that guy's name His head's a body and his body's a face His character names are Oxy and Moran just want to point that Oh shit Ben! Damn that's a good fucking duo name too Fuck

[01:20:35] Emma do you have like action figures I wish I did Or anything like I don't I was actually looking up recently Like how much it would be to like get them And some of them are a little bit expensive Weirdly oh you know what is expensive

[01:20:49] Is the art book The like the official art Book the cheapest one that I could Find is $220 Geez they probably Printed like a hundred of them In the world like that's it And they'll never print them again And then someone just rushed in and was like

[01:21:07] What are you doing stop this We're not gonna No one's buying these Print enough for the families of the crew And then they were done Yup Anyone else cool on the crew obviously I love the introduction of Lanjone Silver He's doing the cooking I think

[01:21:25] His arm works I mean that's the best The way that you don't see it at first and then he turns And he does like the little bow And then you see everything is really cool Uh excuse me are we not gonna talk about Scroop Please keep going

[01:21:39] This is the energy I love I mean I feel like Emma Is the one who should introduce us to the evil Bugman He's a big bug He's played by Wait I looked it up by Michael Wincott This is why I just wanted to shout out

[01:21:55] Michael Wincott who I was rude about We were shitting on Was it the alien resurrection commentary Where I'm like there's ten people Who can give me what this guy's giving me People were like how dare you come from Michael Wincott the legendary villain

[01:22:09] Of the crow and I was like alright Sorry But in our defense when we watch the movies On commentary we have the sound On but the volume is lower 90% of Michael Wincott's appeal is his voice So we were just looking Mostly at his physical performance Right

[01:22:27] The man makes a good bug He gives a great bug Oh god he's great his voice is so scary I was watching it I watched it half on my tv And then I switched to headphones for the last part

[01:22:37] Because I just sort of wanted to have headphones on My sound is not great in my apartment Uh and His him talking is Terrifying Uh does not feel like A vocal performance that belongs In a disney movie is genuinely upsetting Yeah he's

[01:22:55] A little too scary again and also Just there's just not a lot In this movie that's I mean yes okay You have the fart alien I get you know but like They big possibly because There's no songs they're not cutting The energy right like

[01:23:09] So you're kind you know it's It's a little more PG I guess is how you'd put it right Was this I assume this was a PG movie I think he's the only member Of the cast who kills somebody Yeah And brags about it he's like proud of it

[01:23:25] He's a He's a bastard He's a bad guy Worse than the big villain of the movie Well this is my question for you Emma Since you seem to be more familiar with The original text Uh and I'm just colored

[01:23:43] By Muppet Treasure Island and I just only keep on Referencing cross referencing this movie Against Muppet Treasure Island even though I've read Treasure Plan at some point my default is Well that's the original version of the tale The one with the fucking Beaker There isn't really an analog

[01:24:01] For this character in the story Right it's it's hands Israel hands is the bad guy And he is in the movie okay Can you guess who he is The aliens he is named hands The alien I'll give you a hint the hands are prominent In his design Huh

[01:24:21] Why am I forgetting this and I just Watch this Cause there's a lot of fucking aliens He doesn't really have any lines I think he has one line Oh oh oh okay yes yes yes absolutely The big guy Yeah the big the big guy who's

[01:24:37] Just kinda got hands He doesn't do he's not really a villain He's just sort of one of the pirates No I mean Scroop feels to me a little Bit like them trying to Take some of the menace away from Silver so that he can be a more

[01:24:51] Redeemable character You needed him to be the one to do a really Bad thing so that Silver Can A can disapprove of it And then B be sort of Like a little bit threatened by that as well With his like standing with his crew was like

[01:25:05] Well okay if I can't Get first blood with these people You know do they even need me Yeah I mean Scroop lets Silver be redeemable As a character and also gives The movie a villain they can defeat And one that they can really dislike Right right right

[01:25:23] It just is so fascinating That Silver is like half Villain half the genie Of this movie in a way you know Like he's like he was so Centered I feel like in terms of Like this is our best character This is the new Disney

[01:25:39] Character that's gonna go down in the Annals of our great cast He'll get a descendant in the descendants Movies Right right right It is so funny like the way You talk about this movie And how well you know it How you shared it with friends and stuff

[01:25:55] This does feel like a movie that is Designed to have that sort of Online following people Charting the species Considering the extended universe And all of that And it doesn't feel like Disney was playing That game at all as much as they did Really like promote this thing

[01:26:13] And try to push it I don't think they really Understood how to sell like A dorky thing like this You know how to make something appealing To people who want to spend time thinking About fictional worlds It was sort of designed

[01:26:25] To be like a cult object I think Right And there was no way that they could get out of that Right Like this should have had Like a tie-in series of young adult paperbacks You know? Like Right Like having a second video game

[01:26:38] Set five years later makes sense But there should have been A ton of shit like that And it feels like they didn't prep Any of that Well they did They had a whole sequel planned Where Jim like he goes to the naval academy

[01:26:50] He gets a love interest Which was Like very important to me Because that was like my one note As an nine year old watching this movie Is like I don't, he doesn't have like anyone to crush on

[01:26:58] Like I kind of wish that he had it had a crush That was what was going to be in the sequel Was like they were going to Go, he was going to go to school And he met like a girl And then they had to team up

[01:27:11] They had to team up with Silver again To stop like a really bad pirate A very worse pirate Kate, his classmate at the Royal Interstellar Academy Was going to team up with him and Silver To stop the villainous Ironbeard

[01:27:28] From freeing the intimates of a botany bay prison asteroid This sounds like a fucking blast Let's make it happen right now Willem Dafoe was on board to play Ironbeard It was like signed on, almost signed on I don't think he actually signed anything

[01:27:41] But they were like he's going to do it Now here's my question Was this supposed to be theatrical Or was it supposed to be straight to video It was mold for, you know what I mean Like you know I suppose if this thing had been a huge hit

[01:27:55] Then you could have taken it right to the, I don't know right That's the thing How I remembered it was like at this point in time The machinery is so in place that by the time These movies come out in theaters They're six months away from dropping the

[01:28:11] Direct-to-video sequel and they're already Deep into the TV series, right Like all of these had that ready to go And this is kind of the one movie of this era That didn't get any of those things Like even after Atlantis flopped

[01:28:26] They released the first three episodes of the Canceled TV show as a sequel movie You know, Hercules, the sequel got canceled But the TV show happened I mean they just like, they pushed all of these uphill Even like Embers New Groove got a cartoon much later

[01:28:42] Embers New School Right this didn't get anything And I think part of that is because Their ambitions for this were a lot bigger But like rather than have the cash-in Direct-to-video sequel that could come out Six months later, they held off in the hopes

[01:28:58] That this movie might be big enough That we could actually make an animated franchise Yeah, that's sort of what they were going for I don't think like Disney itself was sort of Was gonna, was thinking that far But I know that the people involved

[01:29:10] In this particular movie are like Yes, we're gonna do this whole thing We're gonna do a sequel maybe a TV, you know They had it in the bag Scott was a fucking naval strategy PC game That's what they ended up with

[01:29:23] Yeah, which David has already ordered a copy of I'm intrigued I'm not gonna deny it I mean, I love, we're gonna Wait, when's this episode posting? I don't want to No, everyone knows we're doing Star Trek Yes When we get to Wrath of Khan obviously

[01:29:41] Like I love a space thing That just invested with naval, old naval energy That's my favorite thing A great blending of genres And that's what this is doing And that's great I could almost do with more of it

[01:29:59] But I like the sort of the middle of this movie Where Jim is trying to prove himself And it's just life on the ship is sort of Clickish and tough And he can't pull his weight Or he's afraid, right? Like I like all that stuff

[01:30:14] I like all the sort of life on the boat stuff Their dynamic is genuinely very endearing And it becomes more endearing when The Jim character is less eager Than he's usually depicted as being When he's a little bit closed off, you know?

[01:30:30] There's something nice about both of them Having to break through to the other one But it is so jarring When that fucking Goo Goo Doll song comes in I will say I kind of like that song on its own Especially as a 2002 Pop Rock time capsule

[01:30:49] I think it's a pleasant song But when that song comes in, it's just like Man, this movie is a weird combination Of fucking things Like I'm watching a father-son relationship Bonding montage Set with pirates on a spaceship To a Goo Goo Doll's original track

[01:31:10] I think that was another like We're gonna go for the boy audience thing That then backfired and made sense More for the girl audience Because girls love Goo Goo Dolls Yeah, perfect illustration, right? It's clear they picked the Goo Goo Dolls Because Iris had been so big

[01:31:26] But Iris was like a romance movie That song crossover is kind of like A sad love song They're not like a badass rock band At this point in time, you know? And all of their early fans turned against them When Iris happened and they were like

[01:31:41] Oh, they sold out They become the soundtrack guys And then it felt like Disney thought Bringing them on would make this movie edgier Ben, do you have a Goo Goo Dolls take? I don't know, where are you on Goo Goo Dolls? I mean, that's a bad name

[01:31:57] You're out on the name, I see It's a very 90s name, Goo Goo Doll That's all, like it is Iris is kind of undeniable though, right? So I was gonna say, Iris is... Iris Fox, it's good It's really hard to be cynical about Iris

[01:32:14] And this is like sort of like, you know Like Dollar Store, Iris But that's still pretty good It's still fun to listen to It is very similar to Iris It's also just your brain starts to short-circuit Because you're so used to see these movies Having these musical sequences

[01:32:31] And to see a fast cut montage Said to this song is just like This feels wrong, this shouldn't be happening It's so jarring It's like when, and this is the same year When Star Trek Enterprise debuted And it had a theme song with lyrics

[01:32:46] Rather than the usual, you know Sort of James Hornery, Jerry Goldsmith Kind of, and you're just like No, no, they're not supposed to Like, no, you can't... I don't want to hear about people's feelings Like, I just want to hear sweeping music And I respect the swing

[01:33:02] Like, it's not something Disney really went for again I guess like Wreck-It Ralph has musical montage I'm trying to think of like other Disney's I mean, when you get to the other side I mean, no, with the CGI movies it happens Chicken Little opens with a fucking

[01:33:17] I think a bear-naked lady song I mean Wreck-It Ralph has like fucking Owl City and shit Like it happens until they get back into the princess musicals They do have pop songs and montages like this There's something just jarring about it You're so used to...

[01:33:33] There's this thing, I mean it's like part of the issue With why in America animation Has always been pigeonholed as a genre Right? Whereas in other countries It's seen as a more versatile thing It can fit into different genres It could be for adults, whatever

[01:33:48] For American audiences it feels like Whatever the first major film is In any medium defines what genre People think that medium is So like Snow White is the breakthrough In hand-drawn people are like that's What hand-drawn movies look like That's what they sound like

[01:34:06] Those are the kinds of stories you adapt And they have music in them And then Toy Story is the first big CGI And people are like they're a little snarkier They got this sort of adult edge They're more like... Modern setting Right, it's not a fantasy world

[01:34:21] It's what if this thing was a little different than what you know You know, it's what if you go to a slightly adjacent world Rather than fantasy land And you're adapting original stories And Nightmare for Christmas does kind of define That most stop-motion films are creepy

[01:34:33] I mean that's predominantly the thing And I just think there is like By the time you get to fucking chicken little Having bear naked ladies It's lame but it doesn't stick out as much Because you're just like I don't know but Shrek's fucking shitting to all-star

[01:34:47] It doesn't matter, you know Whereas with this it just feels odd I do want to point out David Because you mentioned Star Trek twice now Do you know that one of the original reasons Why this film was Side-lined by Eisner and Katzenberg

[01:35:03] The first time it was pitched in 1985 They had just left Paramount to come to Disney And so they knew what Paramount had on the docket And the plan at that point I don't know if it would have been Star Trek 5 or 6 It would have been around there

[01:35:19] Yeah, it would have been 4 or 5 Right, they wanted to do Star Trek Treasure Island It was gonna be, I guess This sort of, right? Like someone's on a ship and it turns out There's like, you could do that in a Star Trek world

[01:35:35] That would be cool, I'd watch that I guess it would be cool I have such complicated feelings about Star Trek movies Because I'm like, just make them You know, that's where I'm like Primarily at, they keep hemming and hawing And I'm just like, just fucking do one

[01:35:50] Like stop You're gonna have a lot of real estate To share those thoughts Okay, alright, you're right Okay, okay He's yanking on the leash because I'm going off it The only Star Trek we're talking about Is the RLS legacy Sailing to Treasure Planet Thank you

[01:36:10] Steering the ship back in the right direction We forgot to shout out that Is it Jim's home planet? It's called Montreser Great name, love that That's super cool I think that it's an Edgar Allen Poe reference I was, come on I mean it is

[01:36:28] At least they think it's a cool name I don't know if it's anything more than that I think they're spelled differently I think Montreser in Amontillado is 1s I've looked, trust me I've looked this shit up I believe you I believe This is a pet peeve of mine

[01:36:46] That I think this movie Impressively avoids Scenes where people are lying And the actor Or the movie Or both feel the need to telegraph In the performance Oh this guy's lying and he can't kind of keep his story straight And you're just like You would sniff it out

[01:37:08] You would see it on their face when they were like Uh, no I didn't say that Right, you're just like, you're trying to telegraph To the audience that this person isn't to be trusted In the process it makes your lead character seem stupid That they're not suspicious

[01:37:22] And I like that The silver scene, the introduction to silver When Jim meets him cooking He plays it so well Like silver's a really good actor In terms of seeming confused By everything Jim is asking him about You know Yeah Right there's no nervousness There's no shiftiness

[01:37:44] He's sort of distracted But it's like very sincere And it's only when he sees the last of Jim's feet Like go up the stairs Is he shifts to like This one's going to be a problem Now we should talk about Morph We love Morph

[01:38:00] How have we not mentioned Morph We love him Because this is Morph's introduction I guess that's right Of course he's with John I mean he had to have been pinned As the great merchandising hope of this movie Right they must have thought

[01:38:16] But how do you make that into a toy Can you buy a Morph toy I guess it's just a plastic blob Like you can't Doesn't exist There was a Morph toy they made That was like a rubbery blob But it was sort of like a talk boy

[01:38:32] So you could talk into it and then Morph would pair it What you said That's what he does I think they're mean gimmick But I'm looking here all the action figures came with That was sort of To scale with a kid Rather than to scale with the figures

[01:38:48] And inside the Morph was a treasure You wouldn't know what you were getting until you opened it That's cool But it just feels like Morph is just designed to be as adorable As possible Yeah because there's two big toys It's Morph and Ben

[01:39:02] But Morph is the cute guy Ben's a cool robot The expensive electronic toy But Morph is also good Blarp He is good blarp I mean not that we have to of course Acknowledge blarp's major role In fighting the Spiders I can't remember the name of the villains

[01:39:24] But no yeah he's good blarp He's the parrot That's the role he's occupying That's why he mimics things Right Which I that Look I think that's cute I like his little noises I feel like Morph is the closest you get In this movie to like I'll fuck off

[01:39:46] Right but like I kind of like Morph I think Morph's great I think he's successful they don't overdo him It's also like we've been watching these movies now And increasingly they have five characters Like this each And this movie has one And he doesn't really have any lines

[01:40:04] Right they don't overdo it And what he's really good with him in is when Silver tells Jim to like Swab the deck or whatever And he's like Morph watch you know Keep an eye on him and then Morph's eyes Get really really big It's the perfect comic moment

[01:40:20] He's good He's got like Morph Morph's alright He's alright by me And he like gets people in trouble By like mimicking them like talking shit about other people He nearly gets everybody in trouble I like all that They use the premise of Morph well

[01:40:38] That's what I'm saying about this movie There's nothing in this movie that goes to waste That they like set up and then they just don't really do anything with It's true even like The solar surf and all of that That comes right back Yeah everything comes back

[01:40:52] It's a pretty tight screenplay Written by Musker and Clements And Rob Edwards Story by Elliott and Rossio Rob Edwards though one of those guys He works with them on Princess and the Frog as well He's a big sitcom guy

[01:41:08] Look there's a mutiny let's get to Treasure Planet guys Let's talk about Treasure Planet We haven't gotten to bed yet We're not going to talk about the dad montage The sad dad montage Emma you can You have every moment in your brain No I just think it's good

[01:41:24] I think it's nice It's good when he goes in like In the montage He's helping Silver put the skiff out And then Silver jumps in and leaves And he has that memory flash Of him being a little child And his dad going out to the boat and leaving

[01:41:40] But then you go back to the present And Silver comes back and he's like Get in bud let's go That's so sweet Their relationship is genuinely sweet I also like that in that montage They show that the dad was Unattentive even before he left

[01:41:56] That it's not just the He's like whatever It's not just abandonment As an issue for this guy It's also just that he could never get through to this dude And then he disappeared But it's all good Yes and then Jim follows Morph into a barrel of Space fruit

[01:42:16] Oh I guess this happens After the arrow thing There's the storm We can't forget about the storm The storm is cool The storm is cool Because that's the black hole And all that A star goes supernova and then immediately turns into a black hole Within like 20 minutes of

[01:42:36] Movie time it's cool A scoop Kills Mr. Arrow By cutting his line And blaming it on Jim It's a story gift that Jim is a fuck up Because it means you can blame shit On him I mean you have this whole Like everyone's doubting him

[01:42:54] I think he's gonna Not gonna amount to anything that he's somehow Gonna be incompetent in his job And then it's like when he really tries Which he was doing during that whole thing And then he fucks up again and it's just It's all the more sad

[01:43:08] It encourages his cynicism Like I tried my hardest I really did and people still think I'm a fuck up Why should I do anything? Right Then you have Silver Spick's speech The kid got The sun and the stars in ya How dare I paraphrase in front of you

[01:43:24] Then there's the mutiny There's the you know the right That's what's next right He follows Morph Into the space barrel filled with spacefruits And he hears them having their argument About why is this taken so long We killed one of them Why can't we kill the other three

[01:43:42] He hears Silver be like I didn't mean all those things that I said To that stupid kid Right cause they're like we heard your fucking corny Speech you think you're in some goddamn Disney movie and he's like no I I'm not I swear

[01:43:54] This film is cool for teenagers We said we would have Shrek energy At all times What are you talking about? Scroop goes SOMEBODY Exactly But I like how fast that moves It's like here is it happening Silver's like keep it level Jim comes out of the barrel

[01:44:14] Notices the spy glass Realizes Silver's coming Back down to him and they're just both smart Enough to know that the other one knows Jim stabs him in the leg And fucking chaos Mutiny ensues They get to treasure planet ammo what am I forgetting here

[01:44:30] They have well they have Encounter during the mutiny Where Morph is like going back and forth And is like I don't know which one to go to With the map in his mouth and he goes into the The ropes

[01:44:42] And Jim pulls what he thinks is the map out And he runs to the boat And then Silver tries to go to shoot him And then he can't do it Because he likes him And you have this kind of cool escape sequence I mean the thing where

[01:44:56] Doppler says that's more fun than I ever want to have in my life Ben was there something we were forgetting I feel like you had Yeah Well I had thoughts about the planet Okay about treasure planet Let's go Okay well now we're here It's a okay

[01:45:14] I promise the planet A treasure planet Uh oh Ben's sharpening a knife right now A whole planet's a treasure Whole planet's a treasure that's what you promised This is what I'm promised We get to the planet It's not shaped like a chest You wanted there to be

[01:45:38] A rectangular with like a lock in it maybe Give them the turn of big ol' lock And then go into the planet This is what I was expecting Ben I thought I knew where that Complaint was going You could have given me 25 guesses

[01:45:54] And I never would have come up with My disappointment is that the planet Isn't a chest with a lock on it That's when Ben if he's in the theater Angrily stands up and his popcorn Goes everywhere and he's like I thought you gotta get out of here

[01:46:10] I thought your complaint was going to be The treasure is only the core The surface is junk Yeah why isn't it like a planet made of coins For example But no Ben took Ben plus So if the planet was exactly The same as it is

[01:46:27] If it was junk surface, coin core But it was housed inside a treasure chest With a giant lock and key This movie would be 10 out of 10 for you Yet another layer to the puzzle Right It's a pretty cool looking It's got a double ring thing going on

[01:46:47] Looks like it's going crossbones Right that's cool Also here is where you're introduced to What is unsurprisingly My favorite character in the film I just figured this was your guy Ben for one You love Ben and for two you love Marty Short

[01:47:03] Yeah I mean no one's funnier than Marty Short This is the role you would play Absolutely I love Ben's In general I'm almost always going to be inclined towards a Robit But I think about Despite not having rewatched this film Since 2002 I think about this movie a lot

[01:47:27] In terms of I think this is one of the most successful Instances of a character Being introduced this late in a film And feeling important Being entertaining Having an arc Usually you introduce a character this late And it's just like you're getting distracted

[01:47:45] You're putting too much on the play There's not enough time The character gets short shrift But this works And he's really introduced in the last 20 minutes And really feels like a pivotal part of the movie I think it's more like 40 minutes I'm not going to question you

[01:48:01] On time codes I did check to see how much time they spend On the ship and how much they spend on the planet And it's kind of equal It just takes a while to get to him It takes a while He's based on the character from the book

[01:48:15] Ben Gunn Who's the guy who's on the island And He also knew Captain Obviously he's one of his crew members Who was marooned So he's gone crazy But since the time In Escape in this movie is so long

[01:48:33] They had to make something that would live for long enough To He's lost his mind Doesn't know where to find it Just to make it clear because we're talking about What Ben Gunn usually represents In different adaptations of Treasure Island I don't remember which one in particular

[01:48:49] But in some adaptations He is a very fabulous pig Who has become a diva From being stranded that long on an island by herself Any point does he Say hi ya Is that something that comes up Probably That's the thing I like In Muvvichesher Island though

[01:49:11] That it's like Sam Aro, not Sam Aro But the captain and Ben Gunn Have this romance and she's mostly angry At the fact that he left her there on the island By herself Which is fair And then they sing to each other while hanging upside down

[01:49:27] From a rope at the edge of a cliff And then they roll I haven't seen that movie since I was a kid I should rewatch it But we'll do it one day Brian Henson, underrated director I don't blame him for happy time murders

[01:49:41] But I'm telling you, you look at Christmas carer You look at Treasure Island He was a good visual stylist He was, I mean, they're good looking movies I think he had the potential To have like a Frank Oz career And I feel like he got stuck

[01:49:55] With sort of feeling like he needed to run The genie sort of beginning of the end Thing where it's now like, oh you just hire A comedian and have them do their persona In an animated movie, right? Like Mushu is just Eddie Murphy but he looks different

[01:50:07] I feel like This is a character Despite the fact that it's Recognizably Martin Short And that in the way he changes energies Changes topics, he's a little bit Jiminy Glicky It doesn't feel like he's just Doing Martin Short It feels like he's really serving

[01:50:25] As a function of this character in this movie He only does voice stuff Basically out of this What were you going to say, Emma? I was going to say I love when he glitches out And like is trying to remember Like really hard and then can't

[01:50:39] It's a good moment All that stuff, like how when there's a countdown Late in the movie his eyes turn into a clock Love that I just think like The animation is great The design is great The CGI in this more flat world And the vocal performance is incredible

[01:50:57] It's just like It's rare that a character can pop this hard This deep into a film When we finally, well I guess there's actually A lot of time before we finally see the treasure Because the whole standoff With the pirates who kind of like Do a little siege

[01:51:13] Right, you know all that I will say this is where the movie slows down for me slightly I like Ben But I don't know Is Ben, Emma are you mad at me for saying that? No it's fine, I mean they do like

[01:51:25] They sort of go back and forth a little bit too much Because like Jim has to go back to the boat To get the real map and then he has the fight with Scroop And then he you know Scroop gets Pushed into the space

[01:51:35] I like that, I mean I like getting rid of Scroop But yeah it's a little It gets a little bogged down here after a very sort of You know a propulsive start The movie's been propulsive, the plot definitely slows down here

[01:51:47] Ben really becomes the motor for this chunk of the movie But also it's They're kind of taking a breather To get a lot of answers out You know like they're sort of answering the mysteries So that then you can go back to more action

[01:51:59] In the last 15 minutes or whatever Yeah And they're beefing up the Doppler Amelia romance there Right, they're having a little moment there But like You know I like When we get to the treasure When we get to the big old mound All that stuff And how

[01:52:21] Silver sort of final act plays out That's what I was more leaning in again Yeah it's also like You know you're really showing off the potential Of the premise Treasure Island in space which is Holy shit that's a lot of treasure That's more treasure than I usually see

[01:52:39] In Treasure Island That's an entire planet's worth of treasure Yeah This is a fair amount of treasure right Ben You're happy with the The scale of the treasure I'm real happy Treasure rules In general, treasure is fucking great Bobbles, jewels, gems Yeah

[01:53:01] I was gonna ask Ben if he would go on A space voyage like this If there was the promise of A treasure planet again He would pay you to do that Can I go now Do you have any idea how many E-mails Ben has written to Elon

[01:53:17] Musk saying I think there's treasure Out there, you gotta give me one of these ships It's just The thing about Treasure versus like a boring Ass modern movie where someone gets like A bank deposit is like there's just so much How are you gonna fit it all

[01:53:33] In your pockets and shit like you know what I mean It's overwhelming Have any of you seen that Shark Tank episode Where our guy pitches I think I know where some treasure is I'm obsessed with it Cause it's like it breaks The format it's like so different than

[01:53:51] Any other quote-unquote Business that's happened and the guy comes in Does he have a shovel and he's like let's Go or is he like I need your help With like renting a boat Finance my voyage To find the treasure I know where it is I'm 99%

[01:54:07] Sure I don't have the money To actually get there and to Transport it I need the resources But he's just like a good idea I know he's like an unassuming To go to the sharks like they have money He's like 60 years old and he just

[01:54:21] Comes in all these other people do their big Theatrical song and dance and he's just got Like a TV that looks like the TV That your teachers would roll out To show you Gettysburg or something Like it's on that little like black roller stand

[01:54:33] And he just presses play on the video And he's like this is a treasure I think it's worth tens of millions of dollars Who wants to go down and help me find it And people are like wait a second I'm sorry I need to define

[01:54:47] Are you pitching us that your company Is some sort of experiential treasure hunting thing And he's like no I have located one treasure I lack the resources To get there and to transport it Back to land if you fund My expedition you get 50%

[01:55:03] I'm assuming none of them go For it I'm assuming no one took a flyer on him None of them go for it they're just But they're like I don't know this is Like not the kind of thing I invested

[01:55:15] And then one of the sharks I forget who it is Goes I'm sorry I'm out I invested in one of these a while ago And it didn't work out well I'm not doing another treasure hunt god damn it Like four out of five sharks are just like

[01:55:29] I don't know this feels like a wrong use For this show and Damon's like I've been burned I've done too many treasure hunts I'm not going to make this just take a day That's how I lost this eye god damn treasure hunt It's so good

[01:55:43] But yeah then you get back to like you know The film sort of ramps up the action again You realize the treasure is at the core It's at the center of the planet The centroid of the mechanism as he says They have the they did the big door

[01:55:57] The big door which shows how Captain Flint was doing it all this time He was like flying his ship through this thing I think that's really cool Like a stargate Very cool out of stargate or that great Star Trek episode And like love that as an innovation

[01:56:15] Exactly like you know that was his treasure hunting You know curveball I love that he's a skeleton Love that What's that bend line where he's like Here he is like flesh and blood Or skin, organs or anything that resembles flesh That's not fair That's funny He's good

[01:56:37] Funny and creepy And then I love Ben putting his thing back in And being like right the whole thing is going to blow up Right that's what I forgot The reason they took my mind was so that I wouldn't warn anybody about the thing

[01:56:49] That's about to happen is fun It's also fun that like you know The Ben Gunn character or Ben Jemina gun Depending on which depiction You're watching Is that it's like oh it's someone who's sort of got like madness For being isolated in this place for too long

[01:57:05] Stuck away from society And then this is literally like his mind is broken Like he just doesn't have the programming he needs He doesn't have the chip he needs He's got the incomplete puzzle To know what's going on here He forgets that they're laser trip wires and shit

[01:57:21] Yeah it's just that's all awesome I think that's cool And that works with like how do we make this robot Crazy like what do we do You take the mind why what's the reason for taking his mind away Well they booby trap the thing Right It all works

[01:57:39] It helps amplify the premise All the door shit where you're like that's why He was able to get so much more treasure Than anyone has ever gotten Before And that's also why he was able to Evade capture why no one was ever To find him or the planet

[01:57:55] He disappeared without a trace Right like I like the idea that it's like this guy Had this fucking secret key To just running the table on the universe Yep But his ego was so big that he

[01:58:09] Even if he died he wanted to make sure that no one else Ever could get the sort of Same bragging rights that he had He's a cool dude and I respect it I respect everything he did I like his energy And I think that

[01:58:21] You know he deserves his Booby trapped treasure planet He's a cool scary looking Pirate ship The solar sailor comes back around because You know there's the thing where Jim like Uses the little Engine piece We skipped a big little moment here

[01:58:39] We skipped when the thing starts blowing up And everything's you know the like Cravasses up here and the treasure And then he gets in the ship And Silver follows him and is like Yeah let's get out of here and he's like Threatening him with a knife or whatever

[01:58:53] And then the thing comes and Jim falls off And Silver has to choose between the boat Or his new friend It's a great moment it's so good Actually a little tense I actually was not Sure maybe that's Ridiculous to say but like I was like

[01:59:07] I could see Silver turning here And being doomed with this treasure And Jim figures it out himself right You know what I mean I don't know Well it's scary when you have him hanging there And his fingers when those things like are going into

[01:59:19] The wall like it's just like it's hopeless It's also like I think it's a testament To the movie setting up a different Tenor up until that point That you're like this might be a Disney Film where they let the fucking mentor character Die you know

[01:59:33] Yeah or at least you know Be disgraced because it's John Long John Silver is a villain like you know So I could you know and then he's like Yeah all right You know then he you know does I like it I'm like all right good for you

[01:59:47] John I guess you have to You gotta keep him around And then somehow they make it back to the door I don't know how they did that because everything was sort of going To shit at that point Sure that's the one plot hole

[01:59:59] That bothers me to this day but whatever But I like I mean Wow cinemasins that must be Yeah we're up to like 60 Sins at this point Jim cobbling together His you know last Second solar surf ward You know getting Silver's trust and support

[02:00:19] And the fact that then Amelia And everyone else has to trust Silver as well That they understand we're all in this together Silver's like listen to him He knows what to do and they're like okay It's sort of a redemption moment for Jim

[02:00:31] As well that he's earned the trust Of Amelia and everybody you know Everybody there are two other characters alive At this point I like that He starts it with sparks I think that's cool I think sparks are cool We haven't talked enough about the multiple

[02:00:47] Modes of Silver's arm Because he's got his like detailed finger Arm for chopping and shit Yeah he's got those little fingers with the little Little finger on the fingers Which I think are pretty cool He's got his cutlass arm He's got his welding arm He's got a revolver

[02:01:05] He's got like an old fashioned But then he also has like a cannon arm I wonder why would he ever use the flint revolver Arm If he also has like a sonic cannon Cause it's Traumatic Okay It's got flair No but it's cool

[02:01:25] Every time that arm flips around and a new thing comes out So I'm just cool fucking dude I remember drawing like diagrams Of like trying to figure out how he could fit all this stuff inside there Because it only flips around like one time When he does something

[02:01:37] It's not like an order It's not like a Swiss Army knife where it kind of has to go through the whole thing Was this like the biggest movie Of that decade for you Or were there like five other movies you went this hard on

[02:01:47] I'm just trying to figure out I guess this in like Atlantis maybe Were the two where I was like This is the vibe that I want for my cinema now And then nothing like that ever happened Yeah no it died Yeah they killed it

[02:02:01] It's funny that you watched this movie and you were like Finally they've gotten it right It's a close up shop let's make sure we never make something like this And again I had no idea Until years later when I was like Oh that I didn't watch that

[02:02:13] I heard it sucked and didn't make any money I was like what are you crazy I always thought that Mars Attacks was Beloved and a blockbuster I thought Mars Attacks was Independence Day Because at my tiny school We all loved it And like brought the fucking ray guns

[02:02:31] And played with them on the playground and shit It's just like yeah everyone loved that movie Right it was humongous But apparently America wasn't ready for the rude gambler So yes Jim activates the door Just in time And then I Find that final silver scene really sweet

[02:02:47] I cry every time I've seen that movie up a trillion times And I still cry But even like I remember as a 13 year old being taken aback By like fuck this is like getting to me It's very sensitively done Like they make the effort

[02:03:03] You mean when he's letting silver escape When he's down in the hall or whatever And he acts like he's not doing anything And then Jim opens the door And he's like go on It's just what you've been talking about This whole episode grift just like Sincere

[02:03:19] Not too goofy or jokie And that's the energy that's probably costing This movie in audience But it's consistent With the story they're trying to tell It does feel like they basically realized Brought their passion Like right, like I hope they did Like after 20 fucking years I don't know

[02:03:39] I'm sure they were disappointed it didn't do well And all that Well hopefully they listened to this episode and are Relieved Emma do you know about the Glen Keen thing With that final silver scene I don't think so

[02:03:53] So he said he based it off of his football coach In high school He did read this somewhere He really wanted to be a football player He was a half back And Everyone else was a lot bigger than him And he really wanted the head coach's

[02:04:09] Support and he seemed to be the head coach's favor He worked really hard, got started in position He played three plays, got the ball once Head coach took him out, put the other guy in For the rest of the game, never played again

[02:04:19] And was crushed. And then he said Afterwards in the parking lot, the assistant coach Mickey Ryan, a great guy who spoke with his heart And always had a twinkle in his eye Put his hand on my shoulder and said Glen, you're gonna do great things

[02:04:31] You're gonna get that starting position That wasn't right what happened And I could see that he really cared There were tears in his eyes and I started to cry too I lived that scene with Jim and Silver on the boat When Silver encouraged Jim after a big setback

[02:04:43] It was one of those things where You try to animate what you lived through And hope you can even get close to it I think that in a nutshell is why there is such A surprising emotional potency That relationship is it's like

[02:04:55] He's basing it off the fucking guy Who made him believe that he could Accompose something in his life I love it, I'm crying again I'm just crying, yeah Yeah, I'm crying again But it's very sweet and then All pencils were thrown in the garbage In Disney every month

[02:05:13] Disney burned all the paper It's like that Domino's meme where It's like Glen Keane gets a pep talk from his Oach and then the bigger Domino at the end Is like Disney animation stops production forever It's so, I mean Princess and the Frog is 2009? Is that correct? Yeah

[02:05:35] I think so, that sounds right It's one of those things where There's only seven years between the two And it feels like so much longer It just felt like such a cultural shift In between these two movies Right, you're going from one or two a year to nothing

[02:05:49] It's the same gap As Batman and Robin To Batman Begins where it just felt like Oh, are they never going to make a Batman movie ever again? It's been seven years that's a lifetime Let's play the box office game

[02:06:03] Can I just say asterisk onto its box office performance Do you know this is the first Studio film that was released in IMAX? Yes I did not know that This was the first simultaneous IMAX release Because Disney had started doing re-releases

[02:06:17] In The Beast and Lion King in IMAX And this was the first day and date Theatrical movie To also go in IMAX So it'll look cool as hell in IMAX Are we going to talk about the fact that The ship was animated from the

[02:06:31] Insides that they could move the camera around Are we going to talk about that? You're talking about it right now Because I'm talking about it That's the tech that's in Tarzan 2 Right where they can kind of move through the jungle With that cool sort of 3D Environment

[02:06:47] Thing that they hit that I feel like that was Tarzan's big selling point I remember that being cool The way they move the camera is much more advanced In this than the stuff we've been That was their big thing We wanted to feel like a James Cameron movie

[02:07:01] And in that sense They're very lucky that it took 20 years for them To get this movie made Because this is kind of the first moment where you could really pull it off It's a visually Very impressive movie There's a really cool shot that I noticed this time

[02:07:15] I've noticed it before But this time around I actually scrubbed back And watched it again When during the mutiny, Amelia, Doppler, Jim Are making their big escape In one of the long boats After she pushes The lever to open the door

[02:07:31] In the belly of the ship, Amelia runs And it zooms It follows her running Across the thing I had never seen that before Or since in a hand-drawn animated movie That little detail That would probably be in a live action movie

[02:07:49] But not in an animated movie like this Yeah, camera movements were Really really difficult up until this point I definitely hooted it A couple of camera moves And then you get that really good moment Earlier when Jim and Silver Having their face off

[02:08:05] When Jim's like, do you know this guy named Billy Bones? And the camera's moving around And then you get that little thing Following them, that's cool Also Silver's eye is so goddamn cool Whenever you go into like Silver vision It's so awesome

[02:08:19] But yeah, the end of the movie Silver gives him a handful of treasure So his mom can rebuild the inn And Jim joins Starfleet Academy And inspires a video game That David has already purchased on eBay That David has already googled Like how to play treasure planet

[02:08:37] Video game on like modern windows Right Like my computer's like What? No It was just a PC game, right? It was not on any platforms Just a PC game Okay, box office game I remember This being one of the few times That I saw box office

[02:08:59] Predictions be this Off Like when people were writing their pieces They were like, look it's good on the perform But it'll get like a default Disney number one It'll make like 25 million dollars And it'll end up at 80 And it will be a flop

[02:09:15] And then it was such a fucking Radical flop It opened On this Thanksgiving weekend to 16 And that's like the five day weekend or whatever And Number four, it's the biggest new movie But it's being beaten by three holdovers Right, that's the other thing

[02:09:33] It seemed like it was easy for it to take that number one slot Yup, it's certainly Of the new movies this week But no, number one Emma, it's a film you just watched Griffin, it's a sequel, it's a fantasy sequel Oh, it's two, no it's not two towers

[02:09:49] It's Chamber of Secrets Yup Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets Which in its third week has made 200 million dollars A big old hit, Dobby's in that one And a big Big old bug, I don't know if you know that That's the year where Potter and Towers

[02:10:05] Both come back with their second movies And they're like what if a spider? Well, the Lord of the Rings spider is in the third one Well, and I'm stupid I'm fucking stupid, I'm a loser

[02:10:15] No, you're not stupid because he's in the book, but he wasn't in the movie Ben, you're a Dobby fan I know Ben, you've been watching the Harry Potter Yeah, over like the holiday break I watched all of the Harry Potter movies For the first time

[02:10:27] For the first time? I've never seen them What is that like to watch them now After like years and years of everyone being like I can't believe you've never seen Yeah It was Underwhelming But you like Dobby I like Dobby No, I like parts of it

[02:10:49] But yeah, there's so much cultural stuff That I missed out on that I'm like Oh, sure, okay Yeah, I guess now I know What you meant when you were like, I'm a total Hufflepuff Or whatever But Ben, I ask you not to talk about our private conversations

[02:11:05] You're okay, great I apologize But I would say what was wild too Was watching the progression of the CGI Yes From troll to where they end up That's pretty wild It's insane how bad the CGI is in phosphorus Given that it was so great

[02:11:25] Go ahead, what were you going to say? I've been watching them. I started this week Because I got them all here And I just got to Azkaban before We did this and it's very funny Like how good Azkaban looks Even for then Compared to

[02:11:41] Sorcerer's Stone and Chamber of Secrets It's The art direction is much better in that movie Even if the CGI is still dodgy You accept it because at least the design is good Mm-hmm Like when Lupin turns into a werewolf That's genuinely so freaking scary

[02:11:57] But yeah, it looks weird On an effects level it looks terrible But he's just a good filmmaker Chamber of Secrets is still number one Number two, David It's a classic An entry in the long-standing series That often is in November Is it Die Another Day? Die Another Day

[02:12:17] A bad movie Very bad That movie is bad But a big hit It's also funny that people forget That was the highest grossing Bond movie Up until that point Like it was one of those cases where It was a massive hit and they were just like

[02:12:35] We need to change things Like they had the perspective To go like People are going to be irate if we do this again We cannot trick them twice We need to reset It's true, Apotheos They've gone too far in every direction The product placement The globetrotting, the CGI

[02:12:55] Yeah, everything Madonna fencing, all that shit The puns Everything, everything, everything Now Griffin, number three It's a series we've been talking about a lot recently It's number two in a series you just rewatched SC2 Baby Tim Allen Elizabeth Mitchell The Santa Claus 2 Romcom about people in their 40s

[02:13:19] Of the early 2000s Diane Lane, come at me Five weeks in It's beating Treasure Planet Disney must have been Angry at themselves for that one, right? It has It gained 20% this week It gained Griffin despite losing 700 theaters That's how well it's doing, the Mrs. Claus

[02:13:41] Number four is Treasure Planet Number five, it's another It's a big-rated holiday Programmer, Griffin But it's a different holiday Is it Eight Crazy Nights? It's Eight Crazy Nights Adam Sandler's Eight Crazy Nights Yeah, see that's a movie I did go and see with my 13-year-old friends

[02:14:01] And they were firmly in the theater They were not going anywhere Right, came a couple million Within beating Treasure Planet Which I imagine would have gotten some people fired If that had happened And was produced on One-eighteenth the budget of Treasure Planet Made for no money, right

[02:14:19] Now you got number six, you got Friday after next Okay The third in the Friday series Number seven though, I just want to shout it out New this week, Solaris Even Soderbergh's huge budget Romantic drama Why open that at Thanksgiving? Open that thing in April or something

[02:14:37] Like far away from your Harry Potter's and your Dies another, you know, no, come on Like you're murdering this thing In the crib It's one year after Ocean's Eleven And Ocean's Eleven can't at the same time a year And studios used to think

[02:14:53] Like, oh if they like George Clooney They'll see him in anything Well, they sure tested it with that movie Which I can't wait for us to discuss one day You've also got Eight Mile Genuine huge hit In a good movie You've got The Ring, another genuine huge hit

[02:15:09] And you've got of course They The Wes Craven film I do not have Any memory of that existing Me neither You know what, you know what He didn't direct it, it's Wes Craven presents They You've got, god I have never heard of this movie It's a night

[02:15:33] Are you saying they? Like T-H-E-Y T-H-E-Y The duo, I mean we love them One too, we call them Just like absolutely the fucking Hope and Crosby of the 2000s Blu-Kiss and Em-Pri It was released on Blu-Ray as a Double feature with Cursed Hey, sure

[02:15:55] Why waste space on those Disks? And David, when do you think that Blu-Ray was released? Not 2003 When was it released? The year was 2012 But the date was September 11th Just a fun fact from the They Wikipedia Oh boy, oh boy, wow They held off for 10 years

[02:16:20] And they were like fine, we'll put it on a flipper Disc with cursed Or whatever It's not even a flipper Disc, it's like if you ask for toppings On one side of the pizza It's like horizontally One side of the disc is cursed And one side is the-

[02:16:38] When you play the disc It just switches between the two movies As it rotates You don't get to pick You just watch them both and jump Hey, I want a $5 Blu-Ray Cursed on the left side They on one side Oh boy, we did it guys

[02:16:56] The clock is striking midnight We've talked Treasure Planet Emma, I know there must be more We have to get to I know this is a bottomless pit for you I was going through it in my mind being like Was there any crucial scene that we forgot

[02:17:10] But I don't think we did I think we got it Thank you for letting me do it I've been holding this in for 19 years It's truly- This is so fun for me When we were trying to pick out Guests for this mini series

[02:17:26] Davis said Emma should do Treasure Planet And then the conversation Was not had after that And as we got closer to recording these I said like, does Emma actually like Treasure Planet Or did you just suggest her Because she feels like the kind of person

[02:17:40] Who would like this movie And David said no, she knows every word Of this movie I don't like campaign for myself To be like, you know, I'm always game To be on Blank Check But for this one I was like

[02:17:54] If you don't have me on I will be a little bit upset But that's why I didn't know At one point, one time Mentioned like, oh, Treasure Planet And I was like, oh no, I know I know you like Treasure Planet, trust me Basically

[02:18:08] You're on Treasure Planet unless Manzookas is like, guys, I gotta do Treasure Planet Like, right? That's how I put it If you got JGL or if you got John Resnick Or someone, fine, whatever That's fine, but anyone less Than that I would have been mad

[02:18:26] We should book JGL We should We should get him on, this is a loaded dive We've been doing a lot of JGL recently A lot of JGL I don't know if there's anything in the future We talked the walk, we went to the planet

[02:18:40] And he came in and very generously gave us his time For an ad read Of course he did, great ad read Emma, thank you so much for being on the show I'm glad we gave you an outlet to Share your Treasure Planet love

[02:18:52] And I hope you've converted some people It was so good to be And I'm happy with all the things That you've done to make this And you're a great artist I'm happy with that I'm happy with it But we're not We've been doing this for a long time

[02:19:12] We've been doing this for more than a month It's not just the marketing It's not just the job It's not just the job It's the job

[02:19:22] Every time I log in it's like you might like they plan it like yeah, I might like yeah, they should say we know you love Treasure planet Emma people can read your work and throw a list. They sure can can follow you It's to fab ski

[02:19:38] And they can look to the stars and see you cruising along yeah catch catch some of the light coming off me absolutely Yeah, and thank you all for listening and please remember to rate review and subscribe

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[02:20:10] I fucking held David back from going off the leash here because we got hours of Star Trek talk behind the nifty little paywall for You my neck is chafed from the tugging he was doing yeah

[02:20:22] I believe to be clear the next trek we have post oh no coming up very soon is our return of Jafar episode and then The search for Spock will we'll go search in I tune in next week for

[02:20:36] Princess and the frog seven years later muskering Clements who had been fired from Disney and thought they were retired forever Are are called back for one last mission so they think

[02:20:47] Bring back the pencils boys. So that's a that's next week and as always I just want to share a trivia fact From the I need to be trivia page for this movie It is listed under spoilers, and I'm curious

[02:21:00] I'm looking at your face as I read this Emma because I'm curious to see if you know this at the end of the Movie dr. Doppler and Captain Amelia two aliens it says in parentheses

[02:21:11] Got together and had children a few lines cut from this movie revealed that dr. Doppler the male alien Gave birth to the children himself Disney ordered the lines cut because they thought males giving birth Even male aliens was too risque for a children's movie

[02:21:43] I didn't I didn't think I'd learn anything new about this movie today, but I sure did