Twin Peaks (Season 1) with Eva Anderson

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Blank Check. My name is Griffin Newman. I live in Blank Check. I am known as downtown Griffey Nooms.

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_02]: There was a story behind that.

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_02]: There are many stories in Blank Check. Some of them are sad, some funny,

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_02]: some of them are stories of madness, of violence, some are ordinary.

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yet they all have about them a sense of mystery, the mystery of life.

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes the mystery of death, the mystery of this studio,

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_02]: the studio surrounding Blank Check.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_02]: To introduce this story, let me just say it encompasses the all. It is beyond the fire though few would know that meaning.

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It is a story of many but begins with two,

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_02]: two friends and I was one of them.

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_02]: The one leading to the many is the podcast.

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_02]: The podcast is the one.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Now,

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_05]: that's the Log Ladies introduction to the pilot for Bravo TV, I assume.

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Was it Bravo? Oh, those were all done after.

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_02]: This was... look,

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_02]: it's one of the things about me that people would often be astounded by

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_02]: that I never watched this show. You don't have the lore. You're new to the lore.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, there's a lot of it I got by osmosis but some of it I've been confused by and it's very interesting to watch this show now

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_02]: after multiple waves of like memes. Well, it's initial obsessive grip on the culture.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you missed that.

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Then it's linger... I was alive.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You're like one year old.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I would not have been watching but I was alive.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_03]: My ears were perked.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_03]: A little toddler grip and just sort of osmosis like something on ABC.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_03]: My ears were perked.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Certain in people's heads.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Drop in Hollywood Reporter in the crib.

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I was leafing through.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I had an Amy Archer Mobile.

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_02]: An Amy Archer Mobile. Wow.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Great. Love that.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And then there's, yes, it's like lingering sort of legacy.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It getting replayed on Bravo and finally going to streaming which I feel like gave it a huge modern wind and then the return and all this sort of stuff.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I was watching this and I'm like, it's astounding how big certain characters looming culture relative to how small they are on the show.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Like the long way.

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm like watching it on.

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I got this fucking cinder block of a fucking Blu-ray set, right?

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: That has like everything on it.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And I start seeing there's the option.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, watch with previously on with preview with log lady intros.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, okay, that's what I'm missing when it aired on broadcast.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_02]: People were seeing the log lady at the beginning of every episode.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Wrong. This was done later, like 10 years later.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_05]: He filmed them all in 1993 when the show was syndicated to Bravo.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess back in the day, it's like, well, you only have 28 episodes where you're not going to syndicate to like real TV.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But sure, there's something called Bravo now.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So wait a second.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_02]: The quote I just did is something that actually wasn't part of the proper thing.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It's on the DVD.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I feel like the log lady introductions have become quite important.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, let me say something else then.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there you go.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, that's a damn fine podcast.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, great.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Damn fine.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Podcast.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I sent to text and said, does anyone want coffee?

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And Ben's response was one word.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Wait.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I got you covered.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I brought coffee today.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Brewing a pot.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_04]: It just felt right.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, this is, you're absolutely right.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_02]: David's got a half empty McDonald's cup full of water and ice, of course.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But the other three of us.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you think there's some McDonald's and Twin Peaks?

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, absolutely.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Have you been there?

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I know it doesn't exist.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Or guess it's shaking your head now.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_01]: No, it does exist.

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And I lived there.

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, David, what are you talking about?

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it has a different name in reality.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I think you're being rude to our guest homeland, her motherland.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But there's no McDonald's?

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: No, there's a burger place called Small Fries.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, pretty good name.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_02]: You asked me to introduce the show and I think I already did about it,

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_02]: as simply as I could have in the opening.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But this is Blank Check with Griffin and David.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm Griffin.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm David.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a podcast about filmographies and sometimes TV shows.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Directors who have massive success early on in their careers

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: and are given a series of blank checks,

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_02]: make whatever crazy passion projects they want.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce baby.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is actually part of our Leslie Linka Glatter series.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_05]: One of the great TV directors.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_02]: We're doing kind of a sneaky, it's like a Christopher McQuarrie.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to piecemeal a Glatter series now and then.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_05]: She did direct now and then.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_05]: The iconic VHS classic of any millennial youth.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And did she do another feature?

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_05]: It's called The Proposition and it stars Madeline Stowe

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_05]: and Kenneth Branagh and Robert Lozier.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Huh?

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Came out in 1998.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't really know anything else about it.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Poorly received, I see.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Talking about cult TV shows with sacred object DVD collections

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_02]: and such.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_02]: The one I was obsessed with unsurprisingly was Freaks and Geeks.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And there was the, I don't, I was going to say,

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you guys remember there was the high end

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_02]: sort of like limited run.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: The Chout Factory.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_02]: The Chout Factory.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_02]: The Yearbook.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, with the multiple commentaries on every,

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_05]: that's like the original to me,

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_05]: the original like TV box set that was so special.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, incredible.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: My most sacred object, but it came in the Yearbook replica

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: that had like 200 pages of writing from everyone

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_02]: who ever worked on the show about everything.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And like recaps on every episode and I just remember.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_02]: She only did one, but she did Kim Kelly as my friend

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_05]: which might be the best episode.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_02]: He hired her onto it because Leslie Mann had worked with her

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_02]: and said she's the best director I've ever worked with.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And he said when I watched her work, I understood why.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Hmm.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, this is a mini-series on the films of David Lynch.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It is called Twin Pods Fire Cast with me.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And today we're talking about Twin Peaks Season 1.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_02]: The first season of Twin Peaks.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_02]: What do we hate doing on this show?

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Television.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Hate doing seasons of television.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And if we must do them often, it is against our will on Patreon.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Puncted to Patreon.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_02]: We've only done television once before on the main feed.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_02]: That's not true.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_02]: We did it twice and it broke us and we basically vowed

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_02]: to never do it again.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we did roadies and sensates.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_02]: We did them back.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, God.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_05]: To back.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_02]: We did two seasons mini-series in our first year

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_02]: of being blank check that ended with

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: and these filmmakers have now recently done a season

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_02]: of television.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right, right.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't watch Sense8.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_02]: That was one where I was like, boys, that's on you.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_04]: It was a different era for the show.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_05]: If you were going to pick roadies or sense8,

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I would say I would now probably say sense8,

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_05]: but roadies probably spoke to Ben Moore.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I also didn't finish watching it.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Roadies is forgot.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Like people who are in roadies would deny being in roadies.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Roadies is not watchable anymore.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Like sense8, it's like, oh, it actually ran for two seasons

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_05]: and then fans pushed for a finale episode.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_05]: They did it.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_05]: That's nice.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_05]: It's interesting.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_05]: It speaks to there, you know.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_05]: And it was so early in Netflix blank check.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_05]: It's fun.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You'd find both of those shows interesting.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_02]: What face is tough?

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_02]: You never saw roadies?

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you remember what roadies is?

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a Cameron Crow show, right?

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Cameron Crow and Winnie Holtzman.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like Cameron Crow and my so-called

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_02]: like making a show about present-day roadies

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_02]: as part of a...

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_02]: They didn't make it in the 90s

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_05]: when they were good at doing things.

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_05]: They made it in the 2010s for Showtime.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Who was in it?

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Who's in it?

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Who isn't in it?

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Imogen Putes, Rafe Spall,

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Machine Gun Kelly,

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Rafe Spall.

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Finesse Mitchell.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_02]: What's his name?

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Tater Salad, Ron White.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I like Ron White.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Tisha Castle Hughes.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she was one of the roadies.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_05]: They were all roadies, I guess.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Was MC Ganey on it or am I imagining

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_02]: MC Ganey was on it?

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Are you just thinking about Ron White

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_05]: and you're kind of like,

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_05]: MC Ganey might be near him.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_02]: But he might have also been on it.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Roadies.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it on HBO?

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_01]: What was it on?

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It was on Showtime.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It's on Showtime.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And it doesn't exist.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It's in the red room.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Gugino and Luke Wilson?

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, right.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm also curious.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_01]: What was the Scorsese show about rock and roll?

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: The one that I was on.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_03]: The final one, the Griffin was in every episode.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so those two get,

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, Griffin,

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_01]: those do get combined in my head sometimes.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Eva, this is the first time anyone has shown

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_02]: disrespect to vinyl.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't believe this rudeness.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Which also gets big stuff in my head with

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_01]: the fact that I'm dying up here.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure, that one was tough.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I watched every episode of that one.

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_05]: This is why it's weird that you missed it.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I love TV shows about stand-up comedy.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_05]: They always nail it.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they always throw away their routine

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_01]: and get real every episode.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And it works.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_01]: People love it.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And it changes the world.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It does.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Even in baby reindeer, it works.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It works in every time you do it.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm never watching that shit.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad that we're talking about

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_02]: some of the most forgotten television

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_02]: of the last 10 years.

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's about one of the most impactful TV shows

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_02]: of all time.

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Last time we talked about Studio 60

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_01]: for like an hour.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so we're not going to do that this time.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_05]: We have to talk about Twin Peaks.

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_05]: But I just wanted to check.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Is this really...

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_05]: We really never did TV on main feed again.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_05]: This is the first time since...

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_05]: It sounds right.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Sense8 or sorry, since Rodies.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm pretty sure.

[00:09:37] Wow.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_02]: We did Gold Drummer Girl.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_02]: We did a paranoia agent recently.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_04]: It was Jane Campions.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Top of both those were on Patreon.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_02]: One great season, one demented season.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, indeed.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like Top of the Lake might have been

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_02]: the first time since the Rodies Sense8 thing

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_02]: that we broke the rule and did a full season

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_02]: because it felt too important.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Because it was like, ah, she's...

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Right, right.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_05]: She's really a part of this show.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Look, we usually try to talk her way out of it.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is a case where it was undeniable.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not only do you have to do it,

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_02]: but you have to figure out a complicated way

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_02]: to cover all of it.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Our guest today.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_02]: A former resident of Twin Peaks.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_02]: A very real town where she lived.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Eva Anderson, the best guest in podcasting.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, thank you.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so happy to be here, guys.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And thank you so much for asking me to cover Twin Peaks.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: We're thinking of who felt like the right guest.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_02]: To anyone.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It was like, is there any guest you could fit in?

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Is it too big an assignment?

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I was like, crazy to just throw Eva the ask.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Feels like an obvious ask.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you said this has a very specific personal meaning to me.

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Season one in particular.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to just come out and say this?

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, just after season one between season one and two,

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_01]: my family moved to the town where they filmed Twin Peaks.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And I lived there for 10 years.

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Because of the show, right?

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Largely inspired by.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Your family was like, we just love the vibe.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_05]: And so let's go there.

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_05]: What's the town called?

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sorry.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_01]: There's three towns that make up the show.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_01]: They're in a row in the Sokome Valley.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_01]: The first town where I lived is called Fall City, Washington.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_01]: It has the Road House.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_01]: The next town is Snoqualmie, Washington.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It has the Lodge and the Falls.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And the third town is North Bend, which has the cafe.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But they're all very close together.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're just in a row.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_01]: That's like one, two, three.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Route 202.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_05]: So you, oh, I, you spent like your adolescence here.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Middle and high school.

[00:11:33] Wow.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And then when I graduated high school right around that time, my parents got divorced.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone moved.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So like there was no more footprint as soon as I graduated.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you couldn't go back.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_02]: There was something.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_02]: There was kind of a 20 peak season two vibe.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: One off the rails quickly.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Very just weird detail.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you guys know this, that when my parents split up and moved,

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_01]: my dad moved into the house from inception.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_01]: No, what?

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Which house?

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Which house from inception.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_01]: The main one that, where the kids are.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_05]: The one he's trying to get back to.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_05]: So we live there.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's like floor three in his mind elevator or whatever.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: It's in Pasadena.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_01]: My brother and I lived there for several years.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_02]: It's in Leonardo's head.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not in Pasadena.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_02]: This is obviously years before inception.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Years before inception.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a very nice looking house.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Beautiful house.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It's made by Green and Green who made the gamble house and like Doc Brown's

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_01]: house from a.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Is what you're saying right now real.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_01]: It is actually true.

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Fuck.

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It's been the top.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You're trying to spin the top.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh wow, it's all the way over there.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So just rolled right from this place to that place in a very strange way.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Also just side note like my brother was like,

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_01]: do you not get super high and C inception?

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_01]: He warned me.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Because of the house.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Because of that would slip you out.

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Because he spotted the house first and then he was like,

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_01]: when you go just be aware the house is in it.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_05]: When you lived in fall city.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Like what year are we talking?

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_05]: You moved.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_01]: We moved in 1990.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_01]: The summer of 1990.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_05]: So like it had just aired.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_05]: The first season had just aired.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_05]: The season ends in May 1990.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And season two starts in September 1990.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_05]: But there probably isn't even much.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Was there tourism yet?

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_05]: A little bit.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Just a little bit.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_01]: There was like Japanese tourism.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Weirdly.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And like and there was like a little.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Best tourist on earth.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_05]: They're finding it right away.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: There was a little gift shop where they sold like Twin Peaks stuff.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_01]: They sold like the diary of Laura Palmer,

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_05]: which was written by Jennifer Lynch.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And people would go to the cafe because that was the thing.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Because it just looked like that.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It was that it hadn't changed.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_01]: They hadn't changed it for the show very much.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And years later when they filmed the return,

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_01]: it had gone through like a bunch of evolutions.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they had,

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_01]: they restored it to the, the.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Wild.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Original.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's now I believe if you go,

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_01]: it should just look,

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_01]: it was a Tweety Bird themed cafe in the middle.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Rules.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It's still called Tweeds,

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_01]: but then they made it just look like the original for the return.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Conor Allif friend of the show will be on an upcoming episode.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Is a Twin Peaks obsessive?

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Cool.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_02]: We were doing George Lucas talk shows in Seattle earlier this year.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And he was like,

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to go to all the Twin Peaks.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_02]: That far.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_01]: 45 minutes to an hour.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Make an effort to go to the Laura Palmer house and all these things.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Didn't join him on any of them.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't want to go to all the Palmer houses.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like,

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be an asshole if Lynch wins this competition that is

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_02]: going on where he's the tipped front runner.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't go on any of these locations.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: But the thing he told me was that they got a pie at the diner.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was terrible.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they bought a pie to go and brought it to one of the show

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_02]: and tried to get audience members to eat it.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And every local in the audience was like,

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_02]: everyone knows the pie is bad.

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have any memory or experience with the pie?

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And do you remember it being bad?

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's really bad.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of wild.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I understand they don't want to solely exist as a tourist attraction.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_01]: That they never fixed it.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I would just put a little extra effort into that if I were them.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Twice, couple times as adults,

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_01]: my brother and I have had individual work in Seattle.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Your great brother Dash.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_01]: My great brother Dash.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_01]: My great little brother.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_01]: My great big little brother.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_02]: One of the great big little brothers.

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_01]: The great.

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_02]: He's very tall.

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_02]: He's tall.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_01]: He is really tall, but he's really little brother.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But we will be in Seattle, get an Uber,

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_01]: take it to the cafe, order the pie,

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_01]: eat the pie, take a picture of the pie,

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_01]: send it to each other, go still suck shit.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And then go all the way back to Seattle.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like $200 worth of Ubers.

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's nice to see Tweeds, Tweety's.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: This is what I like about you either.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_02]: You're such an experiential person.

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You have to do the thing.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_05]: But like, right, you put so much effort into an experience

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_05]: you know will suck.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_05]: But you're into that.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_05]: You're like, this is going to be great.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_05]: You curate that.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And I love that in March they still hadn't fixed it.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It was bad when I was a kid.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I think there's just a problem there.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_05]: It's never going to be good.

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But how is that an unfixable problem?

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It's also so funny that Carter.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_05]: It's kind of to make good pie on a bigger scale

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_05]: like that's going to sit out.

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not that hard.

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not really defending that.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a cafe.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a coffee shop.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't make that many pies a day.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm doing my best to defend myself.

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_01]: It's in like four and 20 black words.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Makes more cherry pies a day than Tweeds.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, those guys do what they're doing.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Tweeds doesn't even need to be the best pie on earth.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't need to live up to the show.

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It needs to be at least perfunctory,

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_02]: which everyone has told me it is well below.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just so funny because I've only ever had

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_01]: this opinion with Dash.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that Connor came to it immediately.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And then the audience.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Without being fed it.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_01]: You know.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It was like we buy this pie,

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_02]: everyone in the audience will try one.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And the audience was like, we all live here.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_02]: We know it sucks.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of like no one's taking a slice.

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_05]: The Tom's restaurant up in Washington.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_05]: The Seinfeld restaurant.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Morningside Heights.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_05]: The Seinfeld restaurant.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Everyone knows that place sucks.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_05]: No offense to it.

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And if we have any listeners from Tom's.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_05]: That's another place where people go because they're like,

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_05]: look.

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_05]: And then they go in and they're like, wait,

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_05]: this is like a bad diner.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess this is the argument.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Like how is it bad?

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Is there any impetus for them to make it better?

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_03]: People are coming out again.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_03]: People are coming out again.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to sell so many fucking slices of pie a day.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, they may say it ain't broke.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Why?

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I tried it.

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_03]: We could screw something up here.

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But it also, it says something else about the general area is

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_01]: that things, I always wonder if Lynch was just like sensing

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_01]: away in which things are just a little off there.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, sure.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Things are just weird there.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And having grown up there or lived there for so long,

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, there is a vibe there.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that felt accurate.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It felt and the pie being good would not make sense in that

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_01]: place.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe I would go, if I went to Twin Peaks,

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_05]: not Fall City, Twin Peaks,

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I might be like, hmm, this town is kind of weird

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_05]: and depressing and scary stuff seems to happen here

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_05]: all the time.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I do like the aesthetic.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I like the vibe.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure.

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_05]: But I think I'm going to clear on out.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going.

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_05]: You'd move.

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_05]: And Dale Cooper takes one, you know, bite at that pie

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_05]: and he's like, hmm, I love it here.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Well isn't this one of the key things of the show

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_02]: that you're like, is Dale Cooper the normal one

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_02]: or the weirdest one?

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_03]: He's the weirdest one.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a freak.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Of course.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_03]: He's stupid.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But in that way where it's like his reaction to the pie

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and the coffee.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Does that mean that the pie and the coffee are excellent

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_02]: or is this a sign of his insanity?

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_01]: His incredible optimism.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Also watching this time, the coffee he likes

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_01]: isn't even from the diner.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_01]: He likes any cup of coffee anyone pours for him anyway.

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_02]: He has served black coffee his throat.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_02]: There's the what?

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Has he never had it?

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_02]: There's the fishy coffee is the only coffee he doesn't like.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And that does disturb him profoundly.

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_05]: It sticks with him.

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_05]: That the coffee has been spoiled.

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Is there something in the water?

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a fish in the park a lot.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_04]: In that part of the country is that maybe it's like

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_04]: our bagels here.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Is there something about the quality of the water

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_04]: that is making the coffee enhanced in some way?

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that is one thing too.

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_01]: That is true.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_01]: The Pacific Northwest is all about coffee in a big way.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_01]: The landed Starbucks.

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Drive through Espresso.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Just like leaving the live bait shops also sell Espresso.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Everywhere sells Espresso.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And this show is kind of broadcasting that at a time

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_02]: before coffee has gone really nationwide.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Coffee culture has taken over in that kind of way

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_02]: outside of offices and home breakfast tables

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_02]: and whatever breakfast tables.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_02]: What the fuck am I talking about?

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Breakfast tables.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Listen, we're here to discuss Twin Peaks, the 1990

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_05]: television mystery serial drama series created by

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Mark Frost and David Lynch that aired on ABC.

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Quite impactful.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Which was a phenomenon briefly and then a phenomenon

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_05]: in a larger way after its departure.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It is so wild to just like dig into the actual

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_02]: timeline and be like it was only eight episodes

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_02]: the first season.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It premieres across like April and May of 1990

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_02]: and it is canceled within one year.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they do a 22 episode season two that starts

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_02]: in September by one year later the thing is like

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_02]: done, done, done.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Twin Peaks Firewalk with me coming a year

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_02]: after that is like the last Hail Mary pass that

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_02]: people turn on.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And you're like this entire phenomenon has been

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_02]: contained within 24 months.

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It's so crazy.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And the arc of it, the like rise and fall

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and in the public perception at the time

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_02]: the even further fall down into like the

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_02]: depths of hell.

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_05]: But always had its sort of Star Trek ask die

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_05]: hard.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Lingered.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Who then like sort of gathered around all the

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_05]: ephemera, the aesthetics.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_05]: It getting turned into like.

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_05]: The chachkies you know like which is a very

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_05]: funny thing to do around a show that is

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_05]: profoundly disturbing but also is incredibly

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_05]: termed.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_05]: And funny.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_01]: But also like like video games like Alan

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Wake or like a lot of horror stuff is just.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_05]: It's still got a yes.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Or in a loving way.

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_05]: There's so many things.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_05]: There's something odd about small towns if

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_05]: you think about it.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I disagree.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_05]: You're a Elysian.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Twin Peaks.

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_05]: So Ben, you had never seen Twin Peaks?

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I haven't seen it.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm trying to remember that's why I'm

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_05]: doing this.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_05]: You saw Twin all of season one like what

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_05]: extent?

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I watched up to a certain point in

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_04]: season two.

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_05]: And then I sort of fell off.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Me too.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Griffin you had never seen Twin Peaks.

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_05]: He's going under the table to get his

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_05]: inception top because he's so worried.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I was very worried.

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd never I'd seen the pilot only.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Why did you resist?

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I actually don't know.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what my memory is?

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to get all, I'm trying to

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_02]: line up timelines here.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_02]: When did the return air?

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_02]: 2017.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So that I want to say was.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Mason.

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Were you trying to say like it's

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_05]: the tick or something like you were

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_05]: working on something?

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I was trying to watch it in

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_02]: anticipation of the return coming

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_02]: out going like now's the time for me

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_02]: to actually get into it.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_02]: My best friends and roommates at the

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_02]: time Sophie and Hawkin had watched it

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe a year or two earlier when it was

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_02]: on Netflix and they were like you

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_02]: would love this and then I think I

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_02]: was like okay it's time for me to

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_02]: finally do it knowing this new

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_02]: season is coming.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I think my brain could not handle

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_02]: it in the midst of tick production.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Got it.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_02]: When I was already losing my mind

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and then I just never kind of went

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_02]: back around to it which was my

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_02]: feeling.

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I watched it like so many people in

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_05]: my generation.

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I was too young for Twin Peaks

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_05]: obviously on air but I'd heard about it.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, well, well.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_05]: So I wasn't the only one.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_05]: But I'd heard about it and my

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_05]: father especially would talk about

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_05]: it with some reverence not just for

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_05]: the show but just kind of like that

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_05]: was crazy when it was like a

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_05]: thing for a couple months there.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_05]: And then like so many kids I bought

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_05]: the DVDs when I was 18 years old

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_05]: and watched them in college

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_05]: and loved them.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And also watched out somewhere in

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_05]: season two the first time around.

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Everybody does I think it's a bit of

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_05]: a rite of passage.

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Not to say I think season two is

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_05]: very interesting and we're going to

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_05]: have lots to say about it.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I'd watch it all do not fear.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_05]: That's later.

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Eva, what's your experience with

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Twin Peaks apart from the fact that

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_05]: you lived there?

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Well because okay we had

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_01]: we had the laser disc which had

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_01]: the European cut of the pilot

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_01]: which was as long as a movie and

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_01]: has the red room.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It ends with the red room.

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes we will briefly

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_05]: touch on how strange that thing is.

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But that was the only Twin Peaks

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I watched probably till I was almost 30

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_01]: was just watching that thing.

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_01]: That's wild.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Your parents are watching it and they

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_02]: decided to move there and you are

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_02]: just kind of like okay you don't

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_02]: really understand why.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And I also think I was like

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I was eight.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_05]: You were too little for Twin Peaks.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_01]: But I also like I think it was all

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_01]: just too much.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Like in my like when

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_01]: normally people were watching in college

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like it's like Pee Wee being

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_01]: like I don't need to watch it.

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Dottie I lived it.

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I was just like I don't need to

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_01]: engage with this right now.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And so by the time I finally did

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I loved it.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It was great and I just finally

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_01]: sat down I was like why it's

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_01]: crazy that I haven't watched this.

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and I and I watched it

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_01]: many times since but yeah

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_01]: it took me a long time to be ready

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_01]: to just like crack my knuckles and

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_01]: like be like I'm going to engage with

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_01]: this thing.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean season one is just like

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_01]: it's so it's so it's so perfect.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It's great.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just so wild where you're

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_02]: like saying stuff like Alan Wake

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_02]: and there's so many examples of

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_02]: things that feel so influenced by

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Twin Peaks and especially if you

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: think about like the 10 to 15 year

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: period in between

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_02]: the show ending

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_02]: and the sort of maybe

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_02]: second third wave that leads to

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_02]: the return coming around when its

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_02]: legacy was a little bit they blew it.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It was amazing and it got

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: fucked up.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_02]: The amount of work that is like

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_02]: deeply clearly influenced by it

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_02]: and trying to recapture some

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_02]: element of it.

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like the kind of thing

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: you watch season one and you're

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_02]: like I can imagine

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_02]: the universe in which these eight

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_02]: episodes played no one watched

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_02]: them everyone who watched it was

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_02]: profoundly changed by it.

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It had a sort of like you know

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_02]: only 100 people ever saw the

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_02]: fucking Velvet Underground live

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_02]: sort of energy and people stuck to

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_02]: it and it's this weird unfinished

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_02]: project.

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_02]: The weirder thing than it

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_02]: collapsing so quickly is that it

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_02]: was so big so briefly.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_02]: That remains kind of astounding

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_02]: and it feels like a very early

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_02]: lesson of oh the audience

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_02]: is not as dumb as TV people think

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_02]: they are.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_02]: In this era like up until that

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_02]: point you read about like the

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_02]: anticipation of the show coming out

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_02]: and being like people are going to

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_02]: hate this.

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_02]: This is not passive viewing it

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_02]: doesn't hold your hand it's too

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_02]: weird this is gonna flop and then

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_02]: it like blows up.

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_01]: But also one might argue that what

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_01]: ruined it is the TV person

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_01]: believing the audience was stupid.

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_02]: The second they had a hit and then

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_02]: they had to try to game it out.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Have you watched season two yet?

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I've started it.

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a handful of episodes.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna get into that.

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_05]: You'll realize what you know

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I think you'll see.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm still in the good chunk.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's not just

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I think the fandom gets a little

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_05]: too simple with like well Igar made

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_05]: them reveal the killer in that ruin

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_05]: the show I don't agree that that ruined

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_05]: the show I think it's just like

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_05]: it was no one making that show

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_05]: was equipped for the absolute

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_05]: marathon of 22 episodes

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_05]: season television at the time.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Where it's like okay you better

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_05]: have all your storylines ready to

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_05]: go and you know a way to

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_05]: sustain interest in an ensemble

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_05]: that is like 40 people deep

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_05]: consistently.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_05]: And you can see the show kind of be like

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_05]: what should we do with some of these guys?

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Forget it. You know like you see them

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of caught off guard

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_05]: everyone caught off guard by this thing being a huge success

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_05]: of like what the hell do we do?

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Not just like let's

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_03]: solve the murder but like what should all these people do?

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing. I feel like

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_02]: the lynchian elements

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_02]: these sort of surrealistic things

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_02]: the more genre things loom really large

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_02]: in culture where I'm like oh my god

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_02]: the arm is in one episode the entire first season

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_02]: log lady appears like

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_02]: twice in season one

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_02]: all this shit that has been so

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_02]: outsized that I'm watching this for the first time

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_02]: and I'm like there are 20 characters in this

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I've never heard talked about

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I've never seen memes. Wow I want to know who your faves are

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_02]: who are like regulars

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_02]: and you're like this has such an expansive

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_02]: cast of like naughty soap opera

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_02]: relationship dynamic back stories

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_02]: across like quote-unquote

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_02]: normal people and let's say normal people

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_02]: on a weird sliding sale. No 100% yes

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_05]: the weird stuff in Twin Peaks is

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_05]: right is just a thin sliver

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_05]: of the running time. And the season

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_01]: first season has almost no scary stuff. Correct

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_01]: but like that's so scary

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_01]: it's hard to maintain. When it is scary.

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_02]: That shit in a way the play is spinning.

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_05]: You can't answer the show doesn't even try

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_02]: to really. This is when the show was about

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_02]: to premiere and there was a USA Today article called

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_02]: High Hopes for Twin Peaks because I do

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_02]: you look at the press at the time and they were like

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_02]: this is a weird thing for

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_02]: a network to be trying. Right. This feels

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_02]: like this weird experiment

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_02]: eight episodes short season premiering

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_02]: at the end of a television season

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_02]: this is almost feeling like a burn-off

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_02]: or some weird flyer

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_02]: and there's a guy media analyst and advertising

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_02]: executive Paul Shulman who said quote

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_02]: this is right before premieres

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it has a chance

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_02]: of succeeding it is not

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_02]: commercial it is radically different

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_02]: from what we as viewers are accustomed to seeing

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_02]: there's no one in the show to root for

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_02]: and you're like the guy is succinct

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_02]: he is kind of correct in that

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_02]: based on the models of what shows have

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_02]: been successful up until that point

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_02]: that is right and then

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_02]: you put it in front of people

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_02]: and everyone is like well I've never seen something like this before

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_02]: the mere fact that it was kind

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_02]: of brand new does feel

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_02]: like what grabbed people in the first place

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_05]: here's some of the hottest shows though

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_02]: on on TV

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I know the number one which this

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_02]: was scheduled directly against was Cheers

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_02]: right this is like peak of Cheers

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I would say it's kind of the end of Cheers

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_05]: but like Cheers was very

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_05]: had a weird sort of rise near the end

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_05]: of its run like

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_02]: we're going to do ratings game at the end of this episode obviously

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_02]: get ready

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Cosby show different world cheers

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_05]: that sort of NBC Thursday night lineup

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_05]: is huge wonder years and Roseanne on Tuesdays

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_05]: for ABC

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_05]: those like the crown jewel of ABC's

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_05]: lineup they also of course have

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_05]: one of the top 10 shows in America

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_05]: America's funniest home video

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_05]: it is crazy to think about that being like

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_05]: everyone's like time to sit down and watch that

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_05]: like that's prime time

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_05]: we must be

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_05]: see the new funniest home videos

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean that's basically what MTV's 24

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_02]: 7 programming is now

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_02]: that's what I'm saying now it's like yeah that's just garbage

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_02]: you plug holes with back then it was like 8pm

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_02]: well because they're down

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_02]: there used to be one place

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_02]: exactly you're like

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_02]: cameras have been in homes

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_02]: in a widespread manner for like

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_02]: a decade tops

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_02]: and there's this fucking oil underneath

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_02]: the ground that no one else

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_02]: is bringing up the amount of

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_02]: videos that people have

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_02]: in their fucking cupboards of

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_04]: dads getting hit in the nuts

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and no one gets to see them

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_05]: this toddler is coming

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_05]: towards this wall at an alarming

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_05]: rate like surely not

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_05]: like surely this kid won't run into this fence

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_05]: anyway Golden Girls empty nest

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_05]: also crushing right now

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_05]: those are the biggest shows

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_02]: is Hill Street Blues still on the air

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_01]: are there any dramas

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_05]: so the biggest dramas

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_05]: you're right to say like

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_05]: what the hell

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_02]: which of the prime time soaps are on right now

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_05]: the biggest dramas are murder she wrote

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_05]: uh huh

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Matlock the TV

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_05]: version of In the Heat of the Night

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_05]: which is on NBC a lot of old people

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_05]: detectives which was that was right

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_05]: that's Carol O'Connor post on the family

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_05]: where they're like I think I have another racist

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_05]: post-archies place yeah

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_05]: um uh LA Law

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_05]: that's probably the number one

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_05]: that's the hot sort of new

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_05]: era of television kind of thing

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_05]: of like oh this show is more

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_05]: modern right like

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_05]: versus a uh In the Heat of the Night

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_05]: then I mean okay then I'm going down

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_05]: a list here but like Dallas

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_02]: is off the air dynasty's off the air

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_02]: all of those have ended no Dallas

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_05]: is still on okay as is like

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Falcon Crest but they've dropped out of the top

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_05]: 30 shows Melrose Place hasn't started yet

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_05]: dynasty is just

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_05]: finished Melrose Place has not

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_05]: started 90210

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_05]: has not started well it's just kind of a

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_05]: weird time I guess because that is

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_02]: the main thing this show is I mean

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_02]: the the dynamite

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_02]: pitch for this show is what if David

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Lynch did the weird version of a prime

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_02]: time soap right 100% that's

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_02]: enough of a proof of genre at this point

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_05]: soap aesthetics and stuff

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_05]: and so soap storytelling styles but then

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_05]: like Lynchian horror

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_05]: but then also it will be a cop show

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_05]: yes it's a lot of things at once

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_05]: in fact let me open the dossier

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_05]: okay uh between

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_05]: the release of Blue Velvet in 1986

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_05]: and the premiere of Twin Peaks

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah um David Lynch

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_05]: was involved with some other stuff that never

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_05]: happened okay something called Godis

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_05]: which is about Marilyn Monroe

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_05]: which was also maybe going to be called

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Venus Descending

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_05]: okay uh

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_05]: that was going to be about the

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Kennedy family

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_05]: and that is where David Lynch meets

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Mark Frost who had worked

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_05]: on Hill Street Blues okay uh

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Frost wrote the screenplay

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Lynch wants to direct it

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_05]: and

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_05]: um

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_05]: that is where they get together

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_05]: the studio hated

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Mark Frost script

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_05]: David Lynch liked it

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_05]: so you know uh

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_05]: they click very quickly

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_05]: but that thing never comes together

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_02]: it's a shame because I feel like all movies

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_02]: about Marilyn Monroe turn out really well

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_02]: definitely you're cursed yeah uh

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_02]: none of them are boring or upsetting

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_05]: David Lynch goes over to Dino de Laurenti

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_05]: says do you want to make Monty Rocket

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_05]: now please yeah Blue Velvet was a hit

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_05]: uh Dino de Laurenti just says

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_05]: uh no

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if you talk like that um

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_02]: he's putting a pizza pie on one finger as he

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_02]: gives the thumbs down with the other hand yes

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_05]: there is also something called One Saliva Bubble

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_05]: which is another of his screenplays that you can find

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_05]: yes Prost

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_05]: that emerges now

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_05]: and uh

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_05]: he works on that with Mark Frost

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_05]: okay that is a comedy

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_05]: about two guys

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_05]: who work two Cretanist guys

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_05]: who work at a research facility

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_05]: one of them laughs and a bubble floats her out of his mouth

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_05]: goes down a hallway around a corner

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_05]: and lodges in some sensitive

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_05]: equipment and shorts it out and then you cut

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_05]: to outer space and see a satellite deploy

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_05]: deploy a ray gun weapon that fires

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_05]: and then a countdown starts

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_02]: that was the pitch delivering exactly

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_02]: what it promises on the on the tin

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_02]: it's a movie about One Saliva Bubble

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Steve Martin and Martin Short

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_05]: get attached as the two Cretans

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_05]: sounds pretty cool

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_01]: a bubble saliva bubble has never floated down a hole

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_05]: well David Lynch

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_05]: disagrees with your

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_05]: negative thinking on storytelling here

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_05]: and then Dino Diller-Rent just

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_05]: runs out of money

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_05]: so he cannot produce it

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_05]: that's such a shame

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_05]: it sounds pretty cool it sounds fun

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_05]: around now he also makes the cowboy

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_05]: in the Frenchman which we discussed briefly

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I think on our short episode which is with Harry Dean Stanton

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_02]: it has similar vibes to Twin Peaks

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_02]: it does feel like it's maybe a little bit of a transition point

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_02]: for him understanding how to make

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to say

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_02]: a more mainstream version of his thing

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_02]: but how to lean into the comedy

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_02]: a little more in a way that makes it

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_02]: perhaps a little more accessible

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_02]: but it's got similar look and tone

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_02]: to Twin Peaks I'd say

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah no I think you're right and the other thing he does

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_05]: around now is he produces

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Floating Into The Night the Julie Cruz album

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_05]: which obviously the music of that is very pivotal to Twin Peaks

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_05]: and so that's all happening

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_02]: the reason I asked about

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Hill Street Blues

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_02]: and if it had ended

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_02]: and I didn't even know that Mark Frost came from that

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_02]: he did but I feel like that show is often cited

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_02]: as this kind of breakthrough

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_02]: in audiences are smarter than we think they are

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_02]: in like oh it's got very complicated narratives

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_02]: lots of characters

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_02]: yes and there are threads that are going on across seasons

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_02]: the ordinary

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_02]: more morally complex too

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah you don't have to root for a hero bubble

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_02]: it's a grounded show and it's in a

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_02]: genre that everyone knows very well

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_05]: David's it's just so weird that

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_05]: guy said there's no one to root for in Twin Peaks

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_05]: when Dale Cooper is like the person you root for

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I bet his argument is

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_02]: he's too weird

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_02]: but yes he is the guy you root for

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and then he said something Picasso

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_01]: that's a very something Picasso

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_05]: something Picasso I do love it when they

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_05]: thank God that Picasso

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_02]: sorry did I say right here the name media analyst

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Cal Hotf

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Hockley

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_05]: and we all know Cal

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Hockley committed suicide in the Great Depression

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_05]: of course which they just tag

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_05]: on at the end of Titanic just like when in League of Lawn

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_05]: the guy they're like

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_05]: and also her ex boyfriend like got fired

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_05]: for cheating or whatever

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_05]: like you know fuck him right she's like

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Cal Hockley killed himself anyway

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Tony Krantz

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_05]: is a hotshot agent at

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_05]: CAA who basically is like

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_05]: David you need to do television

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of weird that he thought

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I was gonna say I'm not sure why he thought

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_02]: and in St. Pitch I think most people would not think

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_02]: that and if you think about his career

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_02]: at this point which we've covered

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_02]: right yeah it's like

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_02]: midnight movie sensation right then he goes

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_02]: straight to oh surprise Tony

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Oscar success Oscar tour

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_02]: reasonable box office performer

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_02]: then he jumps to big franchise

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_02]: blockbuster it's a disaster

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah then like blue velvet is like

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_02]: okay I'm getting back to my thing I'm synthesizing

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_02]: it it's a movie that's certainly the center

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_02]: of a lot of conversation yeah he gets

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_02]: one lone Oscar nomination for director

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_02]: he does but it's a movie that gets a lot of controversy

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_02]: it does well considering

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_02]: what it is but it's not like a huge crossover

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_02]: success the guy's certainly

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_02]: a subject of conversation

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_02]: has defined himself as an artist

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_02]: but it does feel like an odd

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_02]: moment to be like obviously we should do

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: this in a weekly format he

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_02]: just hears I hear

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_05]: you're working with Mark Frost that guy's a TV writer

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_05]: do you want to do

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_05]: television you know does that sound interesting

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_05]: at all initially

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_05]: have an idea for TV show called the Lemurians

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_05]: about a the continent

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_05]: of Lemuria a place where evil prevails

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_05]: which disappears into the ocean

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_05]: and FBI agents with Geiger counters

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_05]: search out to kill the remaining Lemurians

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_05]: what the fuck is this sounds good

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_05]: sounds good sounds good

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_05]: they pitched that to NBC

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_05]: and NBC is like no

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_05]: and then

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_05]: branda tartikoff at

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_05]: NBC is like I mean do you want to make that

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_05]: into a movie

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_05]: and they're like no

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_05]: so then instead

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_05]: crance says to Lynch can you write

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_05]: something about the real America like

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_05]: you did with blue velvet

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_05]: supposedly they may be also

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_05]: watched they were somewhat inspired by

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Peyton Place the classic film and

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_05]: soap television show right

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_05]: and

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_05]: they

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_05]: wisely were like what if we did

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_05]: a cop show across with the soap opera

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_05]: it's just funny that their first pitch is

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_05]: like okay aliens from the sea and

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_05]: NBC is like no and they're like oh

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_05]: cop show but like with soapy elements

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_05]: and ABC is like yes thank you

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah it was going to be called

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Northwest Passage it was going to be set in

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_05]: North Dakota and

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_05]: they developed the town they drew this map

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_05]: they were like it's going to have a lumber mill

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_05]: there's going to be a lake a body will wash up

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_05]: on the lake like they thought about this

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_05]: sort of Dickensian setting first

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_05]: and then they populated with the characters

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_05]: stories

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_05]: and they pitch ABC

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_05]: on like the mystery of Laura Palmer that

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_05]: will be the foreground but then it will recede

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_05]: and we'll have the soapy

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_05]: character stuff and ABC

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_05]: was just kind of like

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_05]: truly I think they were like it was

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_05]: a pilot like something

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_05]: they pitched in

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_05]: 88 there was a there was an 88

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_05]: WGA strike

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_05]: and it took so it took them like almost a year

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_05]: for ABC to finally be like

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_05]: go make it what yeah

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_05]: and they would make it together

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Griffin you're looking something up yes

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_02]: okay well I can tell you

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I have the thing I was looking at

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_02]: okay and this is from

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_02]: R&B trivia so likely is false

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_02]: great but

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_02]: it jumped out to me okay

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_02]: the population in Twin Peaks was originally

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_02]: only supposed to be 5,120

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_02]: yes however there was

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_02]: a backlash against rural themed

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_02]: shows at the time this is a classic

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_05]: bit of Twin Peaks lore I have no idea if it's real

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_02]: or not as networks were fearful that the burgeoning

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_02]: urban and suburban population of America

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_02]: would not be able to sympathize with shows

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_02]: set in small farming or industrial

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_02]: towns so then it was

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_02]: bumped up to whatever

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_02]: is 51,000 they added a one

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_02]: right and Mark Frost internal lore

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_02]: has always been that's a typo

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_02]: it's a type

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_05]: it's a 5,000 person but it is funny to think

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_02]: about like all the other

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_05]: you're citing something that is maybe not

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_02]: real I framed it that way on purpose

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_01]: okay just thinking about what are the

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_01]: other 40,000 people up

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_01]: to in Twin Peaks like where do they live

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_01]: like what apartment complex do they live

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_02]: in there was a reason I'm bringing this up

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_02]: whether or not it's real

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_02]: which is

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_02]: all those other night time soaps we're talking about

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_02]: are very like lifestyles of the rich and famous

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_02]: fabulous Dallas dynasty

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Peyton play sure I mean whatever

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_02]: yet whether or not

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_02]: there was truly fear at ABC

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_02]: around this I do think that was like a key

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_02]: to the show working is like this is in a

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_02]: different milieu these are like just

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_02]: real people

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I I think the small town thing is

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_05]: obviously so people huge success the

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_05]: people seek the vibes yes I have

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_05]: no I mean it doesn't make any sense

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_05]: that the that sign says 50,000

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_05]: people live there that's why I'm bringing up which is why

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_05]: it's always driven people crazy yes and it's

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_05]: clearly 50,000 people don't live there

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I've never understood

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_05]: like then there are people who like that I've read

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_05]: the note of like ABC was afraid of

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_05]: the thing you just said sure that seems

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_05]: insane I get the smaller

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_05]: thing of ABC being like that's kind of tiny

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_05]: like the more just literal like

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_05]: vibes of like well anyone fucking care

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_05]: sure he make it a little just feel a little

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_05]: bigger yeah

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_05]: but also it's so annoying that the population is just

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_05]: wrong yes it just drives me crazy

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I can also see the like Mark

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Stewart David Lynch isn't on set the day that

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_01]: they shoot the shot of the art department

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_01]: made the sign wrong yeah sure

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_01]: it comes in they're like ah can we shoot this

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_01]: now I guess how many people let's find out

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_05]: how many people live in fall city Washington

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_01]: let's find out yeah but it also feels

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_02]: 2000 you're saying it's

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_02]: 2000 people insane thinking

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_02]: to say

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_02]: well people won't want to watch a show about a small town

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_02]: that's the exact kind of insane that you hear

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_02]: from television executives all the time

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_02]: sure and it does feel like despite the fact

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_02]: that then becomes immortalized because it's in

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_02]: the fucking opening credits

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_02]: that is the kind of like how do we

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_02]: take this note without really taking it

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_02]: if we change the number on the sign

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_02]: we don't have to change the feel of the town

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_02]: at all

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going back to the dossier do it the research

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_05]: dossier sure

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_05]: so

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Cooper as you might understand as you might

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_05]: guess that is David Lynch's avatar

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_05]: wait what I know I know this

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_05]: sounds crazy

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_05]: mark frost apparently you know

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_05]: more the snappy dialogue

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_05]: guy says

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_05]: from everything I've

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_05]: ever understood about this show

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_05]: frost is more the TV

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_05]: writer mind obviously

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_05]: he's a little more responsible for

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_05]: thinking about how the show moves

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_05]: week to week how the mysteries

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_05]: progress

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Lynch is more responsible

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_05]: for the look of the show the aesthetics

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_05]: obviously the red room

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_05]: everything like that

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_05]: the tone the music sure

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_05]: but Dale is Lynch

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_05]: so like a lot of the Dale

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_05]: stuff is being driven by Lynch

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_05]: they do write the pilot together

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_05]: there's a lot of like sort of twin peak

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_05]: speculation about like who's is what

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_05]: right you know what I mean like it's sort of hard

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_05]: for people to figure out some things

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_05]: that I think are obvious like when I'm talking about

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_05]: some things it's like no actually that was Mark's idea

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_05]: blah blah blah

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_05]: and he's successful they say they write together

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_02]: and it's kind of like a mind and he's successful

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_02]: partnership like this at some point it becomes

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_02]: more symbiotic than you would imagine even if the starting

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_02]: point is like Lynch does the weird shit

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_02]: frost as the structure right at

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_02]: some point they're going to get good at understanding both

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_01]: sides of it Lynch is a treat boy

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_02]: we elaborate on that

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I love it I mean

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't I didn't he

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_01]: famously work at Bob's

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_01]: big boy and drink milkshake or live

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_02]: there yeah like oh eight all

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_01]: he's about there every day for five years he's a treat boy

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_02]: yes he just wants to do the fun

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_02]: does he stay trim

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_02]: it's incredible I don't know

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I was watching a forgive me

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_02]: for bringing his name to this conversation Charlie Rose

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_02]: clip with David Lynch

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_02]: that's not so bad we wait are you

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_05]: watching you mean the clip where he says he eats

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_05]: tuna fish every day yes where he talks

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_05]: about his meals yeah so I mean the man has

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_05]: a fixation thing like no matter what

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_05]: the thing that sucks about Charlie Rose

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_05]: gets good answers out of people despite

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_05]: not being good at his job the world's worst

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_02]: interviewer he's actually maybe the worst

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_02]: interviewer that has ever existed

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_02]: but for 30 years

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_02]: he basically was the only person

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_02]: hosting a podcast yeah right where he had

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_02]: a format that was loose

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_02]: and conversational enough an open ended

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_05]: there's actually time for people to talk

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_05]: they can give a complete

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_02]: answers and he's got this minimalist set

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_02]: and he booked good guests and you're just like

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_02]: fuck you constantly gotta go back and watch Charlie

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Rose interviews and watch this dumb

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_02]: drunk go like so

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Twin Peaks is a movie

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's like no it's a TV series

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_02]: and television is what now

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_02]: am I am on it right now

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_05]: is that the box I put my beer inside

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_05]: my groceries didn't

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_01]: he had that thing recently where he talked about eating Cheetos

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Charlie Rose recently

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_02]: when Lynch said

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_02]: that when he was asked to play

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_02]: John Ford in

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Fableman's that the one

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_02]: thing in his contract was that his dressing room was filled with Cheetos

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_02]: with bags of Cheetos

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_01]: he's only allowed to eat them on set

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_01]: oh he was a treat boy

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna get my treat

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I think one of the producers said that about him

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and then he was asked about it in an interview

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and they were like do you love Cheetos that much

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's like I have to put guardrails around it

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_02]: if I eat one I'm gonna keep the whole bag

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_02]: this is how he stays true

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_04]: just thinking about him sucking his fingers

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_04]: well that's right with Lynch

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_05]: you don't like to think about him getting on the scale

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_05]: and going like oh I should lose five pounds

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_05]: like that's just not how he operates

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_02]: but the whole eating routine thing

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_02]: in that Charlie Rose interview he's like

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I eat two things every day

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I have tuna fish with lemon and then chicken

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_02]: chopped into little pieces with a tiny

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_02]: bit of soy sauce

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah let me find the tuna fish

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_05]: we've talked about this I think

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_02]: and his explanation is like

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_02]: because everyone was always like what's this eccentricity

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_02]: what's him only eating at Bob's Big Boys for five years

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_02]: and his explanation

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_02]: that rose clip

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_02]: feta cheese, olive oil

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_05]: vinegar, tomatoes and tuna fish

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_05]: it's sort of like a Niswas salad

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_05]: he's a Mediterranean diet boy

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and he was saying he cycles

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_02]: through what it is but he'll go through a prolonged period

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_02]: where it's I eat the same thing every day

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_02]: unless I'm traveling

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_02]: then I'm a treat boy

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_02]: then I have bags of Cheetos or whatever

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_01]: or pie

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_02]: the routine is important because

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_02]: limiting the decision making process

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_02]: and as many aspects of my life as possible

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_02]: allows me to spend the rest of my day

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_02]: in imagination land

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_02]: basically he was like

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I wear the same thing, I eat the same thing

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I do everything at the same time because that structure

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_02]: keeps my life on rails and then I feel

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_02]: like when those decisions are removed

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_02]: your brain starts going to weirder places

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I love that

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_02]: which does feel like

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_02]: watching that clip kind of feels

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_02]: like a turnkey to the Cooper character

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_05]: very much, absolutely

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_02]: in his setup and the whole unconventional

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_05]: detective thing

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_01]: except Cooper eats anything you put in front of him

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_01]: correct

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_02]: that's true, he's a bit of a Griffin Newman

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_02]: yes, but that garbage belly

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_02]: that idea of like

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna have a weird approach to finding the clues

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah right

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Kyle McLaughlin is the only choice

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_05]: obviously for Dale Cooper

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Lynch says

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_05]: yes he was born for the role

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_05]: he says he's got a lot of perky child like faces

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_05]: that really fit in

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_05]: he says he loves gadgets

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_05]: that Kyle would always have

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_05]: little gadgets

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Swiss Army knives and lighters

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_05]: and he just felt like all of that

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_05]: was very Dale Cooper

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_02]: he's so fucking boyish

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_02]: in Dune and Blue Velvet

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_02]: and in this he's gotten

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_02]: 10% more grown up man in him

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking about this

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_01]: it was like oh

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_01]: they finally grew together into a character

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_01]: like Lynch and

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_01]: because there's something

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I like

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_01]: he's not very good in Dune

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_01]: even though I love him so much and then Blue Velvet

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_01]: he's just not my favorite part of Blue Velvet

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_01]: but then it's just like

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_01]: it all comes together in each of Cooper

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_01]: it all makes sense suddenly

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Lynch also sort of says without being critical

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_05]: that he thinks that

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_05]: when he was directing Kyle

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_05]: he really could get him to kick up the Cooper

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_05]: way up

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_05]: and other directors were afraid

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_05]: to do that and Kyle would maybe bring it down

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_05]: slightly and Lynch likes

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_05]: really goofy Dale Cooper

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_02]: but don't you think part of the magic of this

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_02]: show is like the weird erratic

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_02]: like sometimes he's huge

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_02]: and sometimes he's more muted honestly

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I do that's a good point

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_05]: if he were a cartoon character the entire time

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_05]: but like yeah the magic of

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_05]: the show not the way I'll do a little more

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_05]: but yeah is that Dale is like

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I had a dream and we simply

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_05]: have to go do this right now and Truman is just

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_05]: like okay

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_05]: sounds good it's not like

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_03]: what any TV executive would be like where's the conflict

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_03]: why does Truman go along

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_03]: with everything Cooper says Cooper is insane

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and so annoying and he's a city slicker

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_03]: and he's a fed

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_03]: and instead Sheriff Truman is just always like

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah oh he had a dream

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_02]: well I mean it's a pretty weird town so I guess we'll do that

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_02]: when people discuss like Buddy Cop

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_02]: as a sub genre almost all examples are

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_02]: they hate each other and they're fighting the whole time

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_03]: at least they first act hate each other

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_03]: second act they realize common ground third act

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_02]: they're together before lethal weapon movies were

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_02]: obviously the underlying idea

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_02]: the whole time you're right

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_02]: and this is actually a buddy cop thing where the one

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_02]: cop is like sure thing whatever you say buddy

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_01]: put on the disguise go to a brothel yeah

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_05]: sure in the entire series

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_05]: there is one time

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_05]: that Truman is kind of like

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Cooper basically

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_03]: never happens

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_05]: anyway we'll talk about it

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Joanna Ray has looked legendary casting director

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_05]: obviously loves to present Lynch with photographs

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Lynch loves to look at photos

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_05]: finds a photo of Cheryl Lee a Seattle based

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_05]: actress yes obviously

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Laura is not really intended

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_05]: as a big character but um

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_05]: he's very truly gay

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_05]: she has the right look thing and then it was

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah he meets with her

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_05]: she says she was so nervous and he was like

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_05]: how do you feel about being dipped in gray paint

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_05]: and wrapped in plastic and she was like okay

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_05]: uh and then they film the home video sequence

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_05]: and he realizes

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_05]: like I need there's a real actor

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_01]: so he didn't plan for Maddie originally

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_01]: oh that's so cool

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_05]: so for Lynch brings her back obviously right first

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_05]: is Maddie and occasionally Laura

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_05]: and then builds a whole movie around her

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_02]: plans the movie around her but that's all him discovering

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_02]: like that's so cool right I mean she's

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_02]: like the one local hire yeah

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_02]: that becomes a significant role

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_02]: because it was like we don't need to cast a real actor for this

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_02]: this is like I mean two shots she's not

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_02]: speaking whatever it's like you have a meeting

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_01]: about that you're a corpse

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_01]: she's like yeah no you're right

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_05]: but she is pivot I mean she is

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_01]: he wanted an excuse to go get a treat

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it does sound like David Lynch

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_02]: a treat meter weird the meeting was at

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Bob's big

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_02]: but yeah you'd think like on paper

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_02]: it's like she's still

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_02]: photo from like her your book photo

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_02]: mm-hmm and

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_02]: a film shot of her playing dead

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_05]: right right but it's like it's like

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_05]: it's like Juliana Margulies and ER or whatever

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_05]: it's like once they start working they're like

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_05]: you're good we need more of you

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Juliana Margulies of course

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_05]: is supposed to die in the first episode of ER

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_05]: so apart

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_05]: from that though you've got a lot of I feel

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_05]: like sort of vets

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_05]: and

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_05]: young ingenues right like

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_05]: that's the casting right you've got your like Ray

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Wise the two west side

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_05]: story boys Jack Nance

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Jack Nance Grace

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Sibrisky but then of course you also have like

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Machinomic, Lara Flynn

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Boyle you know Peggy Lipton is over in the vet side

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_05]: you know like

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_02]: and then there's like a sub set of the vets

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_02]: which are Lynch's old friends

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_02]: he got fucking regular

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_02]: work on network television

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_02]: it's like art school buddies so good

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_02]: which I forget what episode

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I said this and it's probably one that's going to come out five months from now

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_02]: but like there is

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I think a fascinating under discussed

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_02]: aspect of Lynch which is he places

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_02]: very different type of actors

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_02]: in the same project right in the

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_02]: same scenes that like when people

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_02]: talk about the uncanny Lynch tone

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I think part of it is that like

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_02]: he's not looking to synthesize

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_02]: people onto the same wavelength

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_02]: he will have people who are like

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_02]: ostensibly non-professional actors

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_02]: who just have the vibe or the look he wants

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_02]: right he will have people who are like

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_02]: very serious young actors he will have

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_02]: people from old Hollywood school

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_02]: in a weird heightened style

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_02]: and like he likes the

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_02]: sort of conflict between these people

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_02]: not really feeling like they're talking to each other

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_02]: they shouldn't be in the same frame

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean it's wild to think about

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_02]: especially now when

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_02]: all television makers are

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_02]: so spin thrift and like want

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_02]: to reduce the number of regular cast members

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_02]: and people who are on every episode are technically

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_02]: like guest stars or whatever

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_02]: and this show starts and you're like are there 30

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_02]: regulars on this?

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_01]: two minutes of credits

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_05]: and then the actors names keep going

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_05]: what's the show's name? Josie Packard

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_05]: written for Isabella Rossolini

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_05]: legendarily she passes

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_05]: maybe because she's sort of at the end of her

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_05]: rope with Lynch I don't really know

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_05]: and so they re-figure that

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_05]: for Joan Chen who had just been in The Last Emperor

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_05]: and is kind of like

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_05]: a similar kind of like out of towner

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_05]: right energy even though she's a very different actor

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Russ Tamblin he met at

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_05]: a party with Dennis Hopper through cool

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_05]: you know Richard

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Baymer talks about like

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_05]: he was a friend of Joanna Reyes

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_05]: and Lynch would do things like

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_05]: you should dance in the next take and Baymer would be like

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm talking about like this deadly serious murder

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_05]: he's like it'll be great like you know

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_05]: stuff like that

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Catherine Coulson right we know

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_05]: had worked with him on a short film years ago

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_02]: and was married to Jack Nance

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_02]: someone he's known for decades at this point

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah there's so many

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_05]: it's hard to get through all of this casting

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_05]: but like

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Michael Ankeen was like a guy

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_05]: right like he's in like a bunch

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_05]: he's in Clara's heart and like postcards

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_05]: from the edge and stuff like he's like a guy

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I think he had a TV show

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_05]: The Rookies okay whatever

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_05]: but then you also have like Mark Frost

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Dad the Great Warren Frost

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_05]: yes you have

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean who else

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_02]: well Laurie she's a fucking Oscar winner

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah she got on me for an Emmy right

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_02]: she got on me for lead actress on this I think largely because

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_02]: she was kind of legendary

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_01]: she's so good at this

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_02]: she does rock we'll just get ready for her season 2

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Griff okay

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_02]: what I was gonna say is

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_02]: you've been prepping you've been making jokes

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_02]: all season about like the insanity

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_02]: of

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Twin Peaks being so much baser in high school drama

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_02]: at all being these people in their mid 20s who don't even

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_02]: he doesn't even make the effort to like

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_02]: show them in school there's like a couples

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean there's the iconic shot of Laura Flynn

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Boyle sobbing in school but you so

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_05]: rarely see them at school

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_01]: can also Audrey Leaning against her locker

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_02]: yes right at the start

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_02]: we'll get into all that and Eva has a

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_02]: very strong take that she wants to share

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_02]: that she's been playing track

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_02]: for over text

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_02]: but

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I read that mansion am check

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_02]: and I'm not an amic mansion

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_02]: amic originally read for Donna makes

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_02]: sense and then they castle our phone ball but you're like

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_02]: you're so good we're gonna write apart for you

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_02]: and then the part is like quote-unquote

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_02]: adult woman it's true

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_02]: right she's in the same pot

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_02]: that's the other young engineers but she's not

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_02]: in school right there's this central tension around

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_02]: like oh my god Bobby's having an affair with

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_02]: an older woman you're like everyone's

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_02]: the same age

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_02]: and Audrey you're like is this creepy that

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_02]: she's like flirting with Cooper right

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_02]: but then she's amics playing a

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_05]: an older woman not to spoil but Audrey

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_05]: of course is intended as Dale's love interest

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_05]: and then he objects or

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_05]: love larval boy objects yes

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_05]: someone objects that gets written out

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_05]: and then they cast Heather Grammiss's love

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_05]: interest season two who is younger

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_05]: than Sheryl and Fen

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_05]: not younger than the character Audrey

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_05]: but like it doesn't anyway

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_05]: the TV in the 90s man

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean the 902 one I mean there was no

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_05]: no teenagers right

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_05]: like all the teenagers are played by

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_02]: 25 year old teenagers yeah

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_01]: well they're 50s teenagers too yes

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_02]: that's a huge part of it they're like

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Blackboard jungle teenagers yes west side story

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_05]: which is part of right the charm

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_05]: of Twin Peaks is that there are

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_05]: bad boys but they feel

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_05]: like 50s bad boys but then you're like oh what

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_05]: do they do and they're like prostitution and cocaine

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_05]: deal right you're like oh well that's

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_05]: distressing do you think

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_02]: that when Sheryl and Fen walked in for her

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_02]: audition Lynch literally fell out of his chair

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_02]: burst into flames

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_02]: but like what we're she's the most like

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_02]: lynchy lady imagine also

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_02]: just looks somehow exactly

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_02]: like the 90s version of a 50s

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_02]: teenager she's both the same time

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah yeah absolutely

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_05]: they filmed the

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_05]: show for the pilot for four million bucks

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_05]: they had a great time

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_05]: 21 days of shooting one week per episode

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_02]: like it's crazy that they got this

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_02]: done um

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't have been surprised if you

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_02]: to read that this show was a weird

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_02]: example of him fighting for more days

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_02]: to be able to pull off what he wanted it's like no

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_02]: they basically worked on regular TV

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_01]: turnaround yeah that's crazy

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah the contracts

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_05]: it required an alternate ending

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_05]: for a pilot for the pilot so it could

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_05]: be distributed as a film in Europe

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_05]: they had no ideas

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Lynch meets set to

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_05]: famously meets set to

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_05]: dresser Frank Silva

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_05]: and

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_05]: you know

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean there's just this iconic story

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_05]: of like their dressing

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Laura Palmer's bedroom Frank's in there doing his thing

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_05]: he's moving furniture's around

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_05]: he moves the chest of drawers it's in the doorway

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_05]: and someone says Frank don't lock yourself in the room

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_05]: and Lynch is like

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Frank are you an actor and he's like sure

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_05]: and he's like do you want to be in it

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_05]: like he just sees him over in the corner and is like

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_05]: ooh

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_05]: and you know Bob is born

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_05]: and they have him sign a big contract basically

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_05]: and they just

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_05]: start shooting footage of him and

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_02]: isn't there anything too where like they

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_02]: realized that he was being caught

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_02]: in the reflection

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_02]: of Laura Palmer's

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_02]: eye when they discovered the body

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_05]: they were shooting a pan in the room

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_05]: and I guess

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_05]: he's in there

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_05]: and Lynch has the idea of like

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_05]: you know crouch next to the bed

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_05]: behind the bars

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_02]: everyone can read this because even at the point where he

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_02]: this is so crucial to the Laura Palmer's

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_02]: even at the point where he decides we're going to make you an on camera character

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_02]: the guy's still doing double

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_02]: two to yes

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah he didn't replace the set deck

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_02]: and sometimes he'd be setting up

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_02]: and they'd be like no actually it helps

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_02]: if you're on camera

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_05]: at this part they shoot

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_05]: you know a basically a shot of her

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_05]: room and they're like we fucked it up

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Frank you can see Frank in the mirror

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_05]: and David's like no that's

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_05]: good

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_05]: and Frank Silva who by all

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_05]: accounts was a nice guy

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_05]: becomes the personification

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_05]: of the depths of human

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_05]: depravity as Bob just

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_05]: looking like that because like the evil

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of scraggly hair

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_05]: and a jean jacket

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_05]: and it's just that's Bob

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_01]: he does a great job for a non-actor man

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_05]: and he died

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_02]: of HIV complications

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_02]: right after this ended basically

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_02]: oh man like right after

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Firewalk with me I want to say

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_05]: yes in the mid 90s

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I can look up the exact date

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_02]: like he had the exact arc of this show

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_02]: and then basically died tragically

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_05]: 100% died in 95

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_05]: he is very

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_05]: present in the return but obviously just

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_05]: as a image

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_05]: and

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_05]: you know that's a thing

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_05]: and then the red room

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Mike Anderson was a guy Michael J.

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Anderson who plays the arm the man from

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_05]: another place was supposed

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_05]: to be in Ronnie Rocket maybe so Lynch

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_05]: has met him and had done some

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_05]: stuff with him like camera test or

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_05]: whatever and

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_05]: as the way Lynch puts it like

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_05]: one night in the evening

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_05]: he's out in a parking lot leaning

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_05]: against the car and the metal was

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_05]: very hot and the red room scene

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_05]: leapt into his mind and little Mike

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_05]: was there and he was speaking backwards

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_02]: which is something that Anderson said

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_02]: he used to do as a child that he taught himself

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_02]: how to do as like his version of Pig Latin

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_02]: right right I mean this is

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_05]: all this is like I feel like this is

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_05]: the fundamental mythos of Twin Peaks

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_05]: is sort of David Lynch's described

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_05]: description of accidental storytelling

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_05]: and you know these beautiful

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_05]: images we think of it's like ah it came to me when I

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_03]: touched a hot car right you know whatever

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_02]: isn't this sort of like what the red room

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_02]: represents like not

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_02]: within the narrative of the hot car

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_02]: but especially like looking

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_02]: at Cooper as

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_02]: an analog for Lynch

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_02]: right and his approach to

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_02]: mystery solving being analog to like

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Lynch's creative process

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: that the red room is like entering some

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: flow state where they're like no bad ideas

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: right where you're sort of just like

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_02]: opening your brain up to

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_02]: am I touching

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_02]: the bad things am I finding the miracle

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_01]: sure wait am I missing

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_01]: something is the man from another world

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Mike's arm yes

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know you need to

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_05]: start to really care about Twin Peaks to unpack

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_05]: all this stuff like you can just

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_05]: watch Twin Peaks and have a good time

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_05]: and vibe with it that's you can also

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_05]: yes put together all of its logic

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_05]: there it's pretty much there for you to assemble

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_05]: if you want to be a dork about it you just don't

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_05]: have to be I will be a crime and say

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I basically watched it this time the way

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_02]: you're saying the first way because I felt like

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: trying to come in and be like fucking

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_02]: deep and expert I just didn't know

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_01]: he was cut off so Mike

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I am excited to watch this 18 more times

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_02]: across the rest of my life Mike says that he cut

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_05]: off his arm you know to become good

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_05]: and we're leaping ahead here

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_05]: and yes the man from another place

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I can't remember when it might be

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_05]: in Firewalk with me might be there says like I

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_05]: am the arm you know

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_05]: and it's not important

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_05]: like and it's also it's like that's not like

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_05]: this is what I love about Twin Peaks that

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_05]: doesn't make any sense no

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_05]: it's not like you knowing that

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_05]: you're like oh well of course he was his arm

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_05]: arm is where evil is stored in the body it's

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_05]: like you know it's not like that solves

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_05]: the question for you one our man

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: thing that like Frost and Lynch

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: use the fugitive as a big

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_02]: touch point this is why

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Frost and Lynch know what they're doing

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_02]: right you take things that people recognize

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_02]: but then you also add

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_02]: in surreal logic this is

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: the thing that Storrs starts to do in the show is he's

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: like our plan was always the fugitive

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: you're so fast at by this guy's ongoing

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_02]: journey in the sense of this larger narrative

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: and hanging over it is this thing of like

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: he's got to find the one our man he's got to

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_02]: find the man who killed his wife he's got to absolve himself

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_02]: in his reputation but you never

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: actually really make any progress on that

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: that's not really what it's about it's kind

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: of the MacGuffin that keeps him moving on to the

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_02]: new things and that was their thing of

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_02]: like maybe we just never solve the Laura Palmer

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_02]: thing we know what the answer is but that's

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_02]: not really the point that's the entry

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_02]: point into these characters

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_02]: so they put a one our man in this as an homage

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_02]: and then similarly he shows up

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_02]: on set and Lynch is like you're a good actor

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_02]: plotline like I think

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: he was not really supposed to do

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_02]: anything and I sound like this

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_01]: yes Mike is great

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_05]: so great Mike Anderson yeah

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_01]: no Mike the one our man

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: he rocks

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_01]: another like Al Scroble

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_02]: you are a professional television

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: writer you have been in many rooms

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_02]: yes I've been in

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_02]: much much lower stakes versions

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_02]: of these types of things but there is

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: this feeling especially when you're on set

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_02]: when you're gestating ideas where someone has an idea

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_02]: that's really exciting and everyone riffs on it

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: for like 20 minutes and there's like

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_02]: energy in the room and then someone says

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean we obviously can't use that

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_02]: right right that's

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_02]: too interesting right

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_02]: you're all laughing at this joke idea and it's

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: like but that's like too silly we can't

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_02]: do that you right and it's so frustrating

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_02]: and Lynch feels like a guy where he's just

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_02]: like I'm not accepting the

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: we shouldn't do that or we obviously

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: can't do that this is like

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_01]: when I was working on comedy bang bang

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and we had a

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_01]: non-speaking Jack Nicholson impersonator

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: in a scene yeah and he kept saying into my

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: ear because I was standing next to him as an

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_01]: extra this is as good as it gets

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I finally just like walked

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: over to Scott and I was like hey Scott

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_01]: this guy keeps saying this is as good as it gets

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and then they just were like okay

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_01]: let's get him like a little contract

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_03]: he's gonna talk now we gotta pay him more

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: right me Connie bang bang

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: actually feels like the perfect show for like

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_02]: there's nothing you actually can't do it's a

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: show that basically potentially takes place in a

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_02]: silly red room exactly 100%

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_02]: right yeah best kind of show

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_01]: he never said he does that's not the

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_01]: line to me so happy

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_05]: right no one in as good as it gets is like

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_05]: wow this is as good as it gets

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah he says what if this is good as it gets

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_05]: about how life is great

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_05]: he's saying the opposite yeah

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: he made up a line a Nicholson line

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and he was just like this is as good as it gets

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_05]: right yeah it is that

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_05]: this feels like my last detail

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_05]: David Lynch and I just like this quote

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Angelo but Angelo

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_05]: para la mente

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_05]: that's the theme song Lynch's

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_05]: direction to him

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_05]: the music should start dark and slow

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_05]: imagine you're alone in the woods at night

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_05]: and you only hear the sound of wind

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_05]: and possibly the soft cry of an animal

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_05]: and then he'd start playing and David

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_05]: would say good now get

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_05]: ready for a change because you see a beautiful girl

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_05]: she's coming out from behind a tree

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_05]: and she's alone and in trouble so go to a

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_05]: beautiful melody and then reach a climax

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_05]: and let it tear your heart out and that is

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_05]: the theme song of you know

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_05]: the theme music of twin beats

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: it's so bizarre because obviously

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_02]: all his musical pieces go through

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_02]: like movements and waves

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: but you take any one of those pieces

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: and at any single moment

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_02]: it is simultaneously like serene

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: it feels like it could be playing

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_02]: under an ASMR video pure moods

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_02]: right like hugely romantic

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: sweeping old-fashioned

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_02]: drama and like deeply

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: unsettling yeah like he's somehow hitting

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_02]: all three notes simultaneously at every

[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_02]: second that is the magic of it all

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: and you think about

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_02]: audiences locking into this show

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: just the mission statement of the

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_02]: opening of just like

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_02]: here's like pure moods

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_02]: over like serene footage

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_02]: of fucking water fall

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_02]: lumber mills and

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_02]: like the fact that the saw is so

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_02]: early on yeah

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_02]: in the intro and does feel like

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_02]: this relaxing element

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_02]: somehow just kind of completely

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: calibrates you to the tone of what the show

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_05]: is I think if you watch twin peaks

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_05]: and you skip the intro which these terrible

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_05]: services like you do now you are

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_05]: it's like running without warming up

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_05]: or whatever right like you're gonna pull a muscle

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_05]: you need to slide

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_05]: told you how to watch it

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Bob Iger had just taken over

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_05]: ABC now he

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_05]: does some other thing I don't know what he does right now

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_01]: masterclass on leadership

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_05]: that's right he does masterclasses on leadership

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_05]: he pretends to run for president

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_05]: so he had an order this pilot

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_05]: it's presented to him and he liked

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_05]: the pilot ABC is like we can't

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_05]: put this on air this is basically pornographic

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_05]: not pornographic in terms of sex just like

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_05]: this is too bizarre

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_05]: like this will not vibe

[01:07:24] [SPEAKER_05]: with whatever they

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_02]: had on air people will storm our offices

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_02]: with pitforks and torches Iger

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_05]: has a gigantic fight with the right

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_05]: room of New York executives he wins

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_05]: and the show is ordered as a mid

[01:07:35] [SPEAKER_05]: season show you know it happens

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_05]: obviously and

[01:07:39] [SPEAKER_05]: as I think any twin peaks die hard

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_05]: will tell you the first season of the show was written

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_05]: in advance sure was

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_05]: filmed with full complete scripts

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_05]: and that does speak

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_05]: to the experience of watching it

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_05]: versus season two where there it's a more traditional

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_05]: TV show where they're not written yes

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_05]: all the way through obviously and

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_05]: they're trying to anticipate stuff

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: the idea of

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: okay season one is a success what we should do is

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_02]: give lynch and frost another year

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_02]: to come up with eight jewel cut episodes

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_02]: which would have been the right decision

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_02]: is something they probably could not even

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_02]: conceptualize at that point in time

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_02]: it would not have made sense

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_02]: for anyone to say let's do less of a hit

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_02]: show even if creatively

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_01]: it's a bad idea but also the idea of like

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_01]: having a writer's room that they're not

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: in yes they're on set

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_01]: like doing twin peaks that makes me sick

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: to my stomach it's so

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_02]: weird you cannot do that

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I was just digging into a little bit I mean

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_02]: we'll talk about all in the season two episode

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_02]: but like there are

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_02]: all these contrasting reports of like

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_02]: at no point was ever

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: anyone else really named

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_05]: the show runner that's that's a huge

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_05]: problem the show has in season two there's no real

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_05]: show runner lynch is not

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_05]: writing much anymore

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_05]: frost is even kind of taking a step back

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_05]: and no one's really filling it in right where

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_02]: like sometimes David was around and frost

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_02]: was really gone but he was never as around

[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_02]: as he was in season one sometimes frost

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_02]: was around but lynch was gone sometimes it was

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_05]: neither the myth that needs to be dispelled

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I think for a lot of people sometimes is that lynch

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_05]: was doing Wild at Heart during season one

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_05]: no he a lot of people think

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_05]: he departed for season two he's in

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_05]: season two yes like he has a role in it

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_05]: right like he starts like

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_02]: right after season one

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_05]: the exact thing yeah no

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_02]: oh right he does the pilot right shoot

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_05]: pilot and the third episode

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_05]: which is a very crucial episode center

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_05]: the skill to catch a killer

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_05]: then he goes off to do Wild at Heart

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_05]: and he says when he came back

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_05]: he says I don't really know what's going on with the show

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_05]: it felt like a runaway train

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I think if it had been me and Mark writing together in every episode

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_05]: we would have been okay but that was basically

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_05]: impossible right you know because it's too much

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_05]: and so at that point

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_05]: there's a writer's room and they have kind of like

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_05]: guidelines

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_05]: you know what I mean they made up yeah

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_05]: like kind of like these kinds of things should

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_05]: happen these kinds of things shouldn't happen

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_05]: these kinds of stories should be we should be moving

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_05]: towards them but like as you will especially

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_05]: see in season two there are some story lines that

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_05]: are so fucking bananas

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah that you're just like where did this come from

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_05]: and was this one line that someone said

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_05]: like hey I think they should do like a civil war

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_05]: reenactment for sure and the guy's like

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_05]: what okay like I don't know

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_05]: how some of this stuff made it all the way to the finish line

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Eva have you ever

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I was gonna say I wanted to say like

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_01]: they had a writer's room they were shooting

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_01]: little basketballs

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_01]: they had a it's so weird to think about

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_02]: just they had a couch writer's room

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: just trying to

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: just look right nerf guns

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_02]: most of the narrative shows you've worked on

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_02]: you've been there from the start

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: of the show have you ever joined a show on like

[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_02]: a second or third season

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_01]: yes but not ones that

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_01]: went like I was on the second season

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_01]: of why the last man but then

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_01]: that got canceled a few weeks and yeah

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_02]: it's a great time for television it is

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_01]: it's fun for that but yeah no I usually

[01:10:50] [SPEAKER_01]: start I mean big comedy bang bang as well

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I was in the first season but narrative

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_01]: shows yes I've usually started

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_02]: the show it just always feels like such a

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: weird thing to me

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_02]: and I know tons of people who have done

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_02]: it and no one is like this is insane

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_02]: but

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: the idea of like joining

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_02]: a show that is already often

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_02]: running that you have seen that you have

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_02]: watched yeah and now

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_02]: it's like now everything you're

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_02]: writing up for a thing that you're entering

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_02]: midstream is canon does

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_02]: count is real right you're actually

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_05]: the fanfiction is no longer fanfiction

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_02]: right that yeah top of the like

[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_02]: new kid in class energy

[01:11:28] [SPEAKER_02]: of like oh most of you

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_02]: have already been working together and I'm just coming

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_02]: in here and every idea I have is supposed

[01:11:34] [SPEAKER_02]: to be as valid as yours

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_02]: like it just feels so strange

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_02]: to have a show that's so much about these two guys

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_02]: dynamics and then season

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_02]: to be like can we just hire 10 people

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_01]: the answer is no right

[01:11:47] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_01]: but also the idea of when I think about those

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_01]: jobs a lot if you're starting

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: really late like multiple seasons

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and how do you not just pitch things that

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_01]: we're like we already talked about

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: we did that we tried that it doesn't work

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_01]: like right forever that part

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_01]: of it that be so I'd be so scared

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_02]: like thinking about people coming in

[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and writing for the simpsons now I know

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's like how do you pitch an idea

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah that's a great question people who

[01:12:12] [SPEAKER_02]: have that job oh yeah yeah

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_02]: and it just like boggles my mind to be

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_02]: like right yeah I

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_05]: assume a show like that it's kind of like

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_05]: okay buddy welcome to the simpsons

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_05]: here's how this works

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_05]: and you take it easy for a sec

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_05]: while you learn the right because they must have such practices

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah embedded in

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_05]: like the process right like or like a

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_05]: a proceed like a law and order type

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_05]: show right where it's like okay we do this

[01:12:36] [SPEAKER_05]: we do this we do this like this is not an

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_02]: easy easy show to

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_02]: synthesize and if you're trying to game it

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_02]: out from a distance you're going to get it

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_02]: wrong because it is so much just about these

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_02]: two dudes but season

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_05]: one is very much not that they

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_05]: have Harley-Pain and Robert Engels

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_05]: who write a couple episodes with them

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_05]: but you know it's a

[01:12:56] [SPEAKER_05]: much more contained process

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_05]: did you enjoy it what do you think

[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Griff I liked it quite a bit yeah I

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_02]: mean it's interesting that

[01:13:05] [SPEAKER_02]: as I'm watching season

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_02]: two right now I feel myself

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: getting even more into it

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_03]: mm-hmm into one well

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_03]: you love the characters at this point

[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_02]: you know yeah and I'm like coming

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_02]: up on the reveal episode which I

[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_02]: know what the reveal is

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_02]: and I know everyone's prepped me for like this is

[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_02]: about to fall off a cliff it's such a good

[01:13:24] [SPEAKER_01]: episode I have friends who

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: defend the back half of season

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_02]: two more I do no

[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_02]: opinions in that vein

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_02]: but I yeah I don't know it's like it's

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_02]: hard to um I don't know

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_02]: if you felt this watching

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_02]: this uh you know slightly

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_02]: later in your life but it's like

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_02]: weird to watch it fresh when you've

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_02]: had the sort of like predigested

[01:13:46] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah ephemera of the

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_02]: show around you for so long

[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_02]: and it's not just like

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_02]: oh when I was like 20 and I started watching

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Cheers for the first time and I'm like I know all

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_02]: these reference points I know

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_02]: the basics of what Cheers is but it's not

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_02]: like there's a dense mythology to it and

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_02]: there's 11 seasons of a show and I'm like

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_02]: these eight episodes have been like

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_02]: so lionized

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_02]: in the culture

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_02]: that it's weird to actually just watch it

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_02]: and like put all that inside and engage

[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_02]: with what it actually is because as we

[01:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: said there's so much less weird stuff

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_02]: or the real out there

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_02]: stuff in the first season than

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: there is in the source just a sprinkling

[01:14:24] [SPEAKER_05]: just a sprinkling it's true

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_05]: um it is very much about

[01:14:29] [SPEAKER_05]: uh the town

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_05]: and the people who live in it like

[01:14:31] [SPEAKER_05]: and the weird stuff

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_05]: is basically a couple glimpses

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_05]: of the black lodge

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_05]: slash red room some visions

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_05]: you know some kind of spooky visions

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: and there's weird comedy

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_02]: there's the sort of energy

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_02]: you wouldn't expect on a show like so

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_01]: like I this time I was just like Nadine

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_01]: is so funny yes like

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_01]: all the big Ed and Nadine since they're just

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like this is a funny lady

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I sent you guys the

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_02]: um the the

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_02]: SNL parody yeah that was

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_02]: like pretty famous and you think about a

[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_02]: what interesting point in the culture where basically

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_02]: the idea of

[01:15:06] [SPEAKER_02]: SNL getting to parody

[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_02]: X yeah whatever it is

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_02]: felt like finally someone's gonna take this

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_02]: down right like you're tuning

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_02]: into SNL the season premiere for season

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_02]: 15 is calm aglakal and hosting

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_02]: right as season two of twin peaks

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_02]: is about to start he's responding

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_02]: to the

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_02]: the cultural title wave that these first

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: eight episodes had created just a few

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_02]: months earlier yes it's almost

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_02]: like the speed at which Rajejean page

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_02]: host SNL after Bridgerton

[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_02]: blows up on Netflix right usually

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_02]: it's not that fast for someone to get

[01:15:39] [SPEAKER_02]: put up onto the SNL stage right

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_02]: and you feel the energy from

[01:15:43] [SPEAKER_02]: the audience during that twin peaks sketch of like

[01:15:45] [SPEAKER_02]: here we go there's no

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Twitter yeah there's no fucking college

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_02]: humor shorts no one's been able to make fun

[01:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: of this thing yet right and they're

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_02]: trying to hit like all the points

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_02]: on it and at the end of the sketch

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Mike Myers comes on as Michael J.

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Anderson and it the audience

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_02]: is like here we go finally

[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_02]: someone's acknowledging that this thing was

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_02]: fucking weird and it's so weird to

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_02]: watch them be like he was on the show for

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_02]: four minutes at that point yeah

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_05]: but and and kind of

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean I'm sure there had been like

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_05]: reruns or whatever but like it's

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_05]: still it's like I think they watching the

[01:16:19] [SPEAKER_05]: show must have kind of been like afterwards you're like

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_05]: did I imagine

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_05]: like this part like that's the

[01:16:25] [SPEAKER_02]: where is that about I mean on the

[01:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: the Blu-ray box set they had like

[01:16:29] [SPEAKER_02]: TV bumpers for like watch twin peaks

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: again from the beginning that I think

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_02]: was running that summer right like they

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_02]: gave people a second on ramp

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: it's only in episodes yes

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_02]: but both of the

[01:16:41] [SPEAKER_02]: that episode I watched the monologue and I watched

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_02]: the Twin Peaks parody and both

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_02]: of them are really built around jokes of

[01:16:47] [SPEAKER_02]: here's the answer to who killed Laura Palmer

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_01]: hmm who shot mr. Burns

[01:16:51] [SPEAKER_02]: right like everyone's on edge about

[01:16:53] [SPEAKER_02]: this they had did you see

[01:16:55] [SPEAKER_01]: like TV guide had a poll yeah

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_01]: where people were voting on who they thought did it

[01:16:59] [SPEAKER_05]: who is the who are the options it was

[01:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: everyone but like everyone thought dr.

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Jackabee did it well he is the most

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_05]: sort of loud pairing yeah

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean we're sort of guys

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_05]: we're not going to spoil spoil

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_05]: two season two or whatever but like

[01:17:13] [SPEAKER_02]: also I guess it was spoiled for me

[01:17:15] [SPEAKER_02]: years before I watched it I think it's kind of

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_02]: hard to be a person engaged in the media

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_02]: and not know the answer sure because

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_02]: so much of the discourse around

[01:17:23] [SPEAKER_02]: what went off the rails

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_02]: talks about that episode and what

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_04]: happened then do you know who killed Laura Palmer

[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I do we won't say it here

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_04]: that's after

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_04]: the reveal the next episode

[01:17:35] [SPEAKER_04]: that's when you stop that's when I stop

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I think a lot of people

[01:17:39] [SPEAKER_05]: in our generation who were right catching up with Twin Peaks

[01:17:42] [SPEAKER_05]: just kind of naturally

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_05]: knew well this

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_05]: seems like a good place in any to kind of wind

[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_05]: this down I got other stuff to do

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I think 2001

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_02]: they released the first season on DVD

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and then

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_02]: they never put out season two

[01:17:57] [SPEAKER_02]: oh wow it took many years yeah

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: eventually there's the full and then they did the goal

[01:18:01] [SPEAKER_02]: box set but there was like an extended

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_02]: period where you could only watch season one

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_02]: interesting where season two

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_02]: was even out of circulation

[01:18:08] [SPEAKER_02]: do you just want to say

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_02]: no no no there should be not

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Maggie Simpson

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Maggie Simpson

[01:18:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Maggie Simpson did it

[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Laura Palmer tried to steal her candy

[01:18:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know who shot Mr. Burns

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_05]: I would watch that live

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_02]: kid at school

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_02]: spoiled for me and felt really

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_02]: pleased with himself

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_02]: the other SNL sketch

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_02]: the monologue

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I think this is a little important

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_02]: let's talk about Twin Peaks after this

[01:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: there's the one that's the full parody

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_02]: that's Chris Farley's first appearance on the show

[01:18:41] [SPEAKER_02]: where he plays Leo

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_02]: and the whole premise of the sketch is that

[01:18:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Leo's walking in and saying I did it

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm guilty he's very good

[01:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: and from

[01:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: like where you leave the show at the end of season one

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_02]: you could see that being like well Leo's

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: certainly wild and out by the end of the season

[01:18:57] [SPEAKER_02]: he seems super dangerous and crazy

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_01]: the minor bird called Leo out

[01:19:02] [SPEAKER_01]: right

[01:19:04] [SPEAKER_02]: and Cooper keeps on going like this is

[01:19:05] [SPEAKER_02]: interesting this gives me some new ideas

[01:19:07] [SPEAKER_02]: in the case and everyone's like he just confessed

[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_02]: except that the case is closed

[01:19:10] [SPEAKER_02]: the monologue is

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's like I had this fun idea

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_02]: to do sort of a question and answer with the audience

[01:19:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think anyone's ever done this in their monologue before

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_02]: and the first question is

[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_02]: how do you pronounce your name

[01:19:23] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's like it's Muck Lachlan

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_02]: and they're like oh great

[01:19:27] [SPEAKER_02]: thank you and the second question is

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: where are you from and he says the name of his town

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_02]: it's the most mundane thing

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_02]: the audience is laughing at these are uninteresting questions

[01:19:35] [SPEAKER_02]: and answers and then the third guy

[01:19:37] [SPEAKER_02]: is Jim Downey stands up and he's like

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_02]: hey less of a personal question more of a Twin Peaks fan

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_02]: who killed Laura Palmer

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_02]: and he goes oh it's a Shelley the waitress

[01:19:45] [SPEAKER_02]: any other questions and then like a stage

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_02]: hand comes and goes Kyle there's a call for you

[01:19:49] [SPEAKER_02]: in the control room and he gets

[01:19:51] [SPEAKER_02]: in there and he picks up the phone he goes

[01:19:52] [SPEAKER_02]: oh David hi they show a still photo

[01:19:55] [SPEAKER_02]: of David Lynch they say the voice of David

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Lynch and then you just hear like

[01:20:00] [SPEAKER_02]: oh David

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_02]: no I hadn't thought about that and it's like

[01:20:02] [SPEAKER_02]: 30 seconds of this voice yelling at him

[01:20:05] [SPEAKER_02]: for ruining the show

[01:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: and the audience explodes

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_02]: at the reveal of it being David Lynch

[01:20:11] [SPEAKER_02]: even though the guy's not doing a David

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Lynch impression but it's just they know

[01:20:15] [SPEAKER_02]: what that is the idea of him

[01:20:17] [SPEAKER_02]: was so big at that point

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_02]: and then he comes out and he was like I was just

[01:20:21] [SPEAKER_02]: kidding we don't know who the killer is

[01:20:22] [SPEAKER_02]: but both sketches are based around

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_02]: everyone wants to know this fucking answer

[01:20:27] [SPEAKER_02]: and this show is one of those classic examples

[01:20:29] [SPEAKER_02]: of like moon lighting is also cited

[01:20:31] [SPEAKER_02]: as like the motor of the show

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_02]: is the thing that you can never actually get to

[01:20:35] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and the second you get there

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_02]: everyone's gonna fucking lose interest

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_02]: in that sense it is wild

[01:20:41] [SPEAKER_02]: where this season ends

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah um this season

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_05]: ends with the cooper getting shot

[01:20:47] [SPEAKER_05]: and mill burning down and not really being any

[01:20:49] [SPEAKER_02]: closer to answers no

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_05]: no they're

[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_05]: no offense to them horrible

[01:20:55] [SPEAKER_05]: cops yeah like they're not good at

[01:20:57] [SPEAKER_05]: solving the murder of Laura Palmer

[01:20:59] [SPEAKER_01]: they're throwing rocks at bottles

[01:21:01] [SPEAKER_05]: they do throw rocks at bottles

[01:21:03] [SPEAKER_05]: and that's an interesting take by them

[01:21:05] [SPEAKER_05]: and they do have a sort of

[01:21:07] [SPEAKER_05]: you're right they have a sort of

[01:21:10] [SPEAKER_05]: overflow of scumbags

[01:21:11] [SPEAKER_05]: so it can't they can't just

[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_05]: be like well Leo seems aggro

[01:21:16] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah he probably did it

[01:21:17] [SPEAKER_05]: like you know like and Laura does

[01:21:19] [SPEAKER_05]: had such a dark life

[01:21:22] [SPEAKER_05]: that it can't just be like oh well Laura

[01:21:23] [SPEAKER_05]: was mixed up with this person it's like well no

[01:21:25] [SPEAKER_05]: she's mixed up with like eight shady people

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_05]: so yes they have that at going against them

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_05]: but I do like they never really

[01:21:31] [SPEAKER_05]: figure anything out and then the killers

[01:21:33] [SPEAKER_05]: reveal to them kind of you know without

[01:21:35] [SPEAKER_05]: their intervention really sure I don't know

[01:21:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I which is fine I don't care

[01:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I think so much in like the Lynch

[01:21:41] [SPEAKER_02]: all his post blue veil

[01:21:43] [SPEAKER_02]: that work how much he is sort of reacting

[01:21:45] [SPEAKER_02]: and responding to

[01:21:47] [SPEAKER_02]: how much talk there was of like misogyny

[01:21:49] [SPEAKER_02]: and sort of like

[01:21:53] [SPEAKER_02]: was was he using like

[01:21:55] [SPEAKER_02]: abuse as a plot device you know

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_02]: is he being like

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_02]: exploitative or whatever

[01:22:01] [SPEAKER_02]: and it does feel like

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_02]: he is a guy who is like

[01:22:06] [SPEAKER_02]: earnestly emotionally

[01:22:07] [SPEAKER_02]: empathetically interested in domestic abuse

[01:22:10] [SPEAKER_02]: not using it as like

[01:22:12] [SPEAKER_02]: a hot button to push

[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_02]: yes but this

[01:22:15] [SPEAKER_02]: show starts at such an interesting point where you're like

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_02]: here's this like young woman

[01:22:19] [SPEAKER_02]: with this angelic like high school photo

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_02]: who's discovered these horrible circumstances

[01:22:24] [SPEAKER_02]: and most shows would do

[01:22:26] [SPEAKER_02]: like she was the perfect girl and she's murdered

[01:22:28] [SPEAKER_02]: who would do such a thing sure and they're so

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_02]: up front with like the last 48 hours

[01:22:32] [SPEAKER_02]: of her life were insane they were pretty

[01:22:34] [SPEAKER_02]: like they uncover the sort of secret

[01:22:36] [SPEAKER_02]: double life of Laura Palmer basically immediately

[01:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah that's not a huge secret

[01:22:40] [SPEAKER_02]: right which is part of why the case

[01:22:42] [SPEAKER_02]: is hard to solve because you're just like

[01:22:44] [SPEAKER_02]: oh she was in with so many bad people

[01:22:46] [SPEAKER_02]: all of these threads are intertwined

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_02]: it's not like she has one on edge

[01:22:50] [SPEAKER_05]: boyfriend it's also

[01:22:53] [SPEAKER_05]: like Bobby's big

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_05]: speech at the funeral

[01:22:55] [SPEAKER_05]: you know we all did it right you know like that's the point

[01:22:58] [SPEAKER_05]: right and like

[01:23:00] [SPEAKER_05]: just like blue velvet right the real point

[01:23:02] [SPEAKER_05]: is like this town is beautiful

[01:23:04] [SPEAKER_05]: and it is something that you're just like I want to be

[01:23:06] [SPEAKER_05]: here but it's you know there's so much horrible

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_02]: stuff turning away behind the receptacle

[01:23:10] [SPEAKER_02]: for all of the like sins and darkness

[01:23:12] [SPEAKER_02]: in this town and right

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I won't speak to well

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess it's more of a season two thing but yes

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_05]: like I think that Lynch is

[01:23:20] [SPEAKER_05]: very

[01:23:20] [SPEAKER_05]: you know drawn to

[01:23:23] [SPEAKER_05]: horrible darkness

[01:23:24] [SPEAKER_05]: and the unspeakable

[01:23:26] [SPEAKER_05]: crimes of abuse that Laura

[01:23:28] [SPEAKER_05]: suffers right and

[01:23:30] [SPEAKER_05]: in Twin Peaks you can watch it and you can be like

[01:23:32] [SPEAKER_05]: well Bob is did that he's a monster

[01:23:34] [SPEAKER_05]: that causes

[01:23:36] [SPEAKER_02]: he's a supernatural force right

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_05]: but obviously

[01:23:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Bob is just a manifestation of like unspeakable

[01:23:43] [SPEAKER_05]: things like if you just

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_05]: you can watch the show is like sci-fi

[01:23:47] [SPEAKER_05]: of like if Bob is a monster who

[01:23:48] [SPEAKER_05]: inhabits people and makes them do bad things it's like

[01:23:50] [SPEAKER_05]: or is Bob just David's way

[01:23:52] [SPEAKER_05]: of processing the most unimaginable

[01:23:55] [SPEAKER_05]: thing that's what that's exactly what I

[01:23:56] [SPEAKER_01]: see it as but also Bob doesn't

[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_01]: inhabit Leo like he doesn't inhabit other

[01:24:00] [SPEAKER_01]: people in the cast who do terrible

[01:24:02] [SPEAKER_05]: shit he has a bad

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_05]: vibe I will say I'm gonna say I don't want

[01:24:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Bob to come at me yeah I do think he has

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of a negative vibe that he brings to the party

[01:24:11] [SPEAKER_05]: and I do think he's

[01:24:12] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of bringing the vibe down at Twin Peaks

[01:24:14] [SPEAKER_05]: generally I think so

[01:24:15] [SPEAKER_05]: even though he's only inside one person

[01:24:18] [SPEAKER_05]: basically he's still

[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I do feel like there's a

[01:24:21] [SPEAKER_05]: as Twin Peaks goes on the point is

[01:24:24] [SPEAKER_05]: like we're very close

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_05]: to you know the the darker

[01:24:27] [SPEAKER_05]: world but I think it's what you said

[01:24:29] [SPEAKER_02]: there's this like interestingly

[01:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: pure almost childlike

[01:24:34] [SPEAKER_02]: view of like you know

[01:24:35] [SPEAKER_02]: what we talked about this but the like

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_02]: the blue velvet thing of like

[01:24:39] [SPEAKER_02]: look at this perfect lawn and then like

[01:24:41] [SPEAKER_02]: six inches below there's worms in a

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: ear and all this sort of shit that people

[01:24:45] [SPEAKER_02]: read as him saying oh

[01:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: secretly all of these places are

[01:24:49] [SPEAKER_02]: evil which is not what he's saying what he's

[01:24:51] [SPEAKER_02]: saying is what he finds confounding about

[01:24:53] [SPEAKER_02]: the world is that these two things exist

[01:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: dancing against each other

[01:24:57] [SPEAKER_02]: right cool and

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah Bob is like him

[01:25:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I in my in my view much

[01:25:03] [SPEAKER_02]: like what you said is him being like

[01:25:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I do not understand how people can be

[01:25:07] [SPEAKER_02]: outwardly nice and polite and capable

[01:25:09] [SPEAKER_02]: of something this evil

[01:25:11] [SPEAKER_02]: you saying there's an argument

[01:25:13] [SPEAKER_02]: that like well that's a face and that's an act

[01:25:15] [SPEAKER_02]: that someone puts on to cover up their

[01:25:16] [SPEAKER_02]: their evilness but he's still like this

[01:25:19] [SPEAKER_02]: type of action is

[01:25:20] [SPEAKER_02]: unfathomable to me and the only way

[01:25:23] [SPEAKER_02]: that someone could be capable of doing that

[01:25:25] [SPEAKER_02]: so for sure and also making polite

[01:25:27] [SPEAKER_02]: conversation yeah is if there's

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_02]: some other force at play that I don't understand

[01:25:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and also if someone like

[01:25:33] [SPEAKER_05]: the FBI yes and a

[01:25:34] [SPEAKER_05]: sort of a hero from another

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_05]: era steps in and it's like

[01:25:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm here to solve the case right it's like what

[01:25:40] [SPEAKER_05]: happened this awful thing happened

[01:25:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Dale like this terrible terrible thing happened

[01:25:45] [SPEAKER_05]: to a young woman yeah and here's

[01:25:47] [SPEAKER_05]: what you know we were finding out about it he's

[01:25:48] [SPEAKER_05]: like must be like a monster

[01:25:51] [SPEAKER_05]: like you know like if that's what I can

[01:25:52] [SPEAKER_05]: defeat I can't defeat like ambiguous

[01:25:55] [SPEAKER_05]: inhuman behavior you know like

[01:25:57] [SPEAKER_05]: but I can fight like

[01:25:59] [SPEAKER_05]: evil spirits like

[01:26:00] [SPEAKER_05]: right you know like I don't know that's

[01:26:02] [SPEAKER_05]: a perfect thing for Dale to try to deal with

[01:26:05] [SPEAKER_05]: and I think is date when peace goes on

[01:26:06] [SPEAKER_05]: especially in the return

[01:26:08] [SPEAKER_05]: it's about the limits of what Dale can achieve

[01:26:10] [SPEAKER_05]: like Dale thinks he can deal with this stuff but

[01:26:12] [SPEAKER_02]: he can't and especially this town that basically

[01:26:14] [SPEAKER_02]: has this like pipeline

[01:26:16] [SPEAKER_02]: for commodifying young women yeah

[01:26:18] [SPEAKER_02]: like basically waiting until the moment they get

[01:26:20] [SPEAKER_02]: one of our jacks is a legitimate establishment

[01:26:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not questioning that

[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_01]: it's real strong business model it's really nice

[01:26:27] [SPEAKER_01]: like I say it's maybe the nicest

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_01]: it is the nicest

[01:26:30] [SPEAKER_05]: disgusting underage ruffle

[01:26:32] [SPEAKER_05]: that is a cocaine it does

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like it's like Adam

[01:26:36] [SPEAKER_01]: McGoy is exotica of like

[01:26:38] [SPEAKER_05]: dude Adam McGoy is

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_05]: exotica is a where you're like who had

[01:26:42] [SPEAKER_03]: the money to build this it's huge

[01:26:45] [SPEAKER_03]: like is this

[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_03]: CD or is it like Disney

[01:26:47] [SPEAKER_02]: it's massive sorry

[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_02]: no I just can say if I saw

[01:26:52] [SPEAKER_02]: when I jacks like featured in

[01:26:54] [SPEAKER_02]: like an architectural digest spray

[01:26:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be like this place is lovely

[01:26:58] [SPEAKER_02]: if you weren't telling me what the business was

[01:27:00] [SPEAKER_01]: look I have a membership I just

[01:27:01] [SPEAKER_01]: hang out at the bar it's just

[01:27:03] [SPEAKER_01]: you don't have to fuck any other

[01:27:04] [SPEAKER_02]: you just go there to write yeah exactly

[01:27:07] [SPEAKER_01]: you can gamble a little bit but it's like

[01:27:09] [SPEAKER_05]: you just get a martini chill one I jacks

[01:27:11] [SPEAKER_05]: is a good epitome of

[01:27:13] [SPEAKER_05]: like you know summation of twin peaks right

[01:27:15] [SPEAKER_05]: where you're like God yes vibes immaculate

[01:27:17] [SPEAKER_05]: what happens here oh incest

[01:27:20] [SPEAKER_05]: you know

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_05]: child abuse drug dealing

[01:27:23] [SPEAKER_05]: like terrible terrible thing this one

[01:27:25] [SPEAKER_02]: guy who's like got his fingers in all

[01:27:27] [SPEAKER_02]: of the like quaint businesses that the town

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_02]: uses the fucking perfume counter

[01:27:32] [SPEAKER_02]: as a pipeline to funnel

[01:27:34] [SPEAKER_02]: young women into prostitution

[01:27:35] [SPEAKER_05]: that's that's why twin peaks I so

[01:27:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I had seen twin peaks but it now we're

[01:27:39] [SPEAKER_05]: doing David Lynch I'm gonna watch twin

[01:27:41] [SPEAKER_05]: peaks and I'm like ah man like is it

[01:27:43] [SPEAKER_05]: gonna bum me out to like mainline twin peaks

[01:27:45] [SPEAKER_05]: and twin peaks is disturbing yeah and

[01:27:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm watching how I push back

[01:27:49] [SPEAKER_02]: on when we were doing a

[01:27:51] [SPEAKER_02]: look where you were just like a lot of

[01:27:54] [SPEAKER_02]: kids dying and roadies as well

[01:27:55] [SPEAKER_05]: similarly I was a park and what remains

[01:27:58] [SPEAKER_05]: the most bummed out I was

[01:27:59] [SPEAKER_05]: delving into a filmography that I had

[01:28:02] [SPEAKER_02]: largely seen a lot of dead kids

[01:28:04] [SPEAKER_02]: a lot of runs tracer and JJ

[01:28:06] [SPEAKER_02]: a researcher who loves David Lynch has been

[01:28:07] [SPEAKER_02]: in a little bit of a like he's in a funk

[01:28:09] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah I'm not I love this shit for whatever

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_05]: reason it it tells

[01:28:14] [SPEAKER_05]: the stories in a way that I can

[01:28:16] [SPEAKER_05]: handle better

[01:28:17] [SPEAKER_05]: and I've been very happy having just twin

[01:28:20] [SPEAKER_05]: peaks on and thinking about twin peaks

[01:28:22] [SPEAKER_05]: even though yes then I will be like oh god

[01:28:24] [SPEAKER_05]: but it really is about something that's

[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_02]: awful I do think

[01:28:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean and I think that's the reason why some

[01:28:30] [SPEAKER_02]: people especially at the time now

[01:28:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I think this is basically been dropped as a

[01:28:34] [SPEAKER_02]: conversational thread but like is there

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_02]: something crass about the way that Lynch

[01:28:38] [SPEAKER_02]: keeps going back to this as a subject or

[01:28:40] [SPEAKER_02]: inciting plot points or you know dramatic

[01:28:42] [SPEAKER_02]: centers or whatever and I do think it

[01:28:44] [SPEAKER_02]: is just him constantly trying

[01:28:46] [SPEAKER_02]: to wrap his head around how could this

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_02]: happen right right somewhere that I

[01:28:50] [SPEAKER_02]: love or somewhere that I think is cool

[01:28:51] [SPEAKER_02]: or right yeah yeah

[01:28:54] [SPEAKER_02]: and and it is just I mean this is

[01:28:56] [SPEAKER_02]: cultural conversations we're constantly having

[01:28:58] [SPEAKER_02]: or just like it happens so much more than you

[01:29:00] [SPEAKER_01]: think it does yeah I mean if it's

[01:29:02] [SPEAKER_01]: like this in Mahalan Drive too it's like

[01:29:04] [SPEAKER_01]: right the the magic of Hollywood

[01:29:06] [SPEAKER_01]: or the magic of you know

[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah it's been near of any

[01:29:10] [SPEAKER_02]: form of polite society or

[01:29:12] [SPEAKER_02]: business or right normal

[01:29:14] [SPEAKER_02]: quote unquote behavior

[01:29:18] [SPEAKER_02]: David's snap

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[01:31:56] [SPEAKER_05]: the pilot begins

[01:31:58] [SPEAKER_05]: with

[01:31:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Laura Palmer's corpses discovered wrapped in plastic

[01:32:01] [SPEAKER_05]: what do you guys think of that I don't know how

[01:32:03] [SPEAKER_05]: to tackle twin peaks like

[01:32:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know how we do this sure

[01:32:07] [SPEAKER_01]: are you going to do the summary of the entire season

[01:32:09] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah let's do it line by line

[01:32:11] [SPEAKER_05]: no this is what I'm saying like

[01:32:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what we do now

[01:32:15] [SPEAKER_05]: what do we do now

[01:32:16] [SPEAKER_05]: David's glancing at the clock

[01:32:18] [SPEAKER_04]: talk about standout characters maybe

[01:32:20] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah I feel like going through it

[01:32:22] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe makes less sense than talking holistically

[01:32:25] [SPEAKER_02]: about the season

[01:32:26] [SPEAKER_02]: yes that's maybe the best way to do it

[01:32:28] [SPEAKER_04]: because it's also that's I mean obviously

[01:32:31] [SPEAKER_04]: the crime

[01:32:31] [SPEAKER_04]: is keeping you engaged and wanting

[01:32:34] [SPEAKER_04]: you know wanting to see this through but

[01:32:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I love the character

[01:32:38] [SPEAKER_04]: the characters are what's so special

[01:32:39] [SPEAKER_02]: that is very like there is

[01:32:42] [SPEAKER_02]: a certain weird angelic

[01:32:44] [SPEAKER_02]: serenity on her face

[01:32:44] [SPEAKER_05]: it's being presented to them in this sort of beautiful

[01:32:47] [SPEAKER_02]: terrible way right she's painted in like almost

[01:32:50] [SPEAKER_02]: stylized like blue frozen lady

[01:32:51] [SPEAKER_02]: makeup right yeah like

[01:32:53] [SPEAKER_02]: there's something there is this odd and even

[01:32:56] [SPEAKER_02]: just the way the plastic

[01:32:57] [SPEAKER_02]: splays around her and whatever

[01:32:59] [SPEAKER_01]: she's connected to kind of the river and the waterfall

[01:33:02] [SPEAKER_01]: which is so iconic it's where I had

[01:33:04] [SPEAKER_01]: my first kiss wow

[01:33:05] [SPEAKER_02]: go the waterfall

[01:33:07] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah the waterfall

[01:33:09] [SPEAKER_05]: this must be so weird

[01:33:11] [SPEAKER_05]: did someone like take you to the waterfall

[01:33:13] [SPEAKER_05]: like I'm being taken to like make out point

[01:33:15] [SPEAKER_05]: like this is like where it all happens

[01:33:17] [SPEAKER_05]: in falls river or whatever the hell

[01:33:20] [SPEAKER_02]: most of the other people

[01:33:22] [SPEAKER_02]: you were growing up with there had watched

[01:33:23] [SPEAKER_02]: the show or similar to you where they were like

[01:33:25] [SPEAKER_01]: too weird oh no one watched it

[01:33:28] [SPEAKER_02]: no one watched it yeah no I don't know

[01:33:29] [SPEAKER_01]: when I was in middle school too like

[01:33:31] [SPEAKER_05]: no it's also a time when it's harder to just

[01:33:33] [SPEAKER_05]: watch like you said like the show was less

[01:33:35] [SPEAKER_05]: available yeah I would check back in with some

[01:33:37] [SPEAKER_01]: middle school friends who were cool and be like

[01:33:39] [SPEAKER_01]: hey did you ever watch Twin Peaks but I'm not sure

[01:33:41] [SPEAKER_01]: are those waterfalls nice they're so cool

[01:33:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and the lodge is really cool too everyone

[01:33:45] [SPEAKER_01]: would have their like prom like parties

[01:33:47] [SPEAKER_01]: there and stuff but they it's a good place

[01:33:49] [SPEAKER_01]: to like yeah the snow call me lodge

[01:33:51] [SPEAKER_01]: is like incredible

[01:33:54] [SPEAKER_01]: building and the falls

[01:33:55] [SPEAKER_01]: are shocking they're very tall

[01:33:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and Mount Psi which is what

[01:33:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Twin Peaks is it's just a single mountain

[01:34:01] [SPEAKER_01]: not to is also a really fun hike

[01:34:03] [SPEAKER_05]: it's a big bit of a goof

[01:34:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I was gonna say I have a lie

[01:34:07] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah but I hate being

[01:34:09] [SPEAKER_01]: why would you

[01:34:10] [SPEAKER_01]: it is a beautiful drizzly

[01:34:14] [SPEAKER_01]: weird place

[01:34:15] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah

[01:34:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean can you

[01:34:18] [SPEAKER_05]: that's my climate like it's I imagine

[01:34:21] [SPEAKER_05]: it's a damp place

[01:34:23] [SPEAKER_01]: you would love a damn it's very

[01:34:25] [SPEAKER_05]: englandy yeah did you guys

[01:34:27] [SPEAKER_05]: have airing closets that's a very British thing

[01:34:29] [SPEAKER_05]: airing closets you mean like a mud room

[01:34:33] [SPEAKER_05]: no I feel like a mud room

[01:34:34] [SPEAKER_05]: that's where you like take off your shoes

[01:34:35] [SPEAKER_05]: before you walk into your house now

[01:34:37] [SPEAKER_05]: most British houses have these things called airing closets

[01:34:40] [SPEAKER_05]: that are like basically a less

[01:34:41] [SPEAKER_05]: damp room because your whole house is so

[01:34:43] [SPEAKER_05]: fucking damp because you live in

[01:34:46] [SPEAKER_05]: England so there's this one room where you

[01:34:47] [SPEAKER_05]: can dry shit out anyway oh wow

[01:34:49] [SPEAKER_04]: hold on hold on how does it work

[01:34:51] [SPEAKER_05]: I how does it work I have no idea but ours

[01:34:53] [SPEAKER_05]: was like with airing cupboard sorry

[01:34:56] [SPEAKER_05]: ours was like with the boiler

[01:34:57] [SPEAKER_05]: okay like the boiler it heats

[01:35:00] [SPEAKER_02]: things up oh sure yeah

[01:35:01] [SPEAKER_02]: okay okay Eva do you remember

[01:35:04] [SPEAKER_02]: like your dad's

[01:35:05] [SPEAKER_02]: explanation or justification of what

[01:35:08] [SPEAKER_02]: drove him like what it was

[01:35:10] [SPEAKER_02]: exactly that he responded to

[01:35:11] [SPEAKER_02]: like when he pitches to you guys were moving

[01:35:13] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah you've been living in Los Angeles at that point

[01:35:15] [SPEAKER_01]: yes and it was a combination I think

[01:35:17] [SPEAKER_01]: of just my

[01:35:19] [SPEAKER_01]: my parents wanted to leave Los Angeles

[01:35:21] [SPEAKER_01]: there had been an earthquake

[01:35:23] [SPEAKER_01]: that had freaked my mom out and I think

[01:35:25] [SPEAKER_01]: they wanted to just get to a different

[01:35:27] [SPEAKER_01]: just go somewhere else and I think

[01:35:29] [SPEAKER_01]: they settled on on the this

[01:35:31] [SPEAKER_01]: area very quickly my dad

[01:35:33] [SPEAKER_01]: had around this time also

[01:35:35] [SPEAKER_01]: been meeting with David Lynch about

[01:35:37] [SPEAKER_01]: a script he had written I was gonna say it's kind

[01:35:40] [SPEAKER_02]: of surprising they never worked together

[01:35:41] [SPEAKER_01]: does my dad adapted the book geek love

[01:35:44] [SPEAKER_01]: and briefly like David Lynch was

[01:35:45] [SPEAKER_01]: gonna make it yeah right

[01:35:47] [SPEAKER_01]: would never happen was he gonna act in it

[01:35:49] [SPEAKER_02]: as well no but

[01:35:51] [SPEAKER_01]: he had some of those Bob's big boy

[01:35:53] [SPEAKER_01]: meetings yeah and so he did

[01:35:55] [SPEAKER_01]: he did say he drank lots of milkshakes

[01:35:58] [SPEAKER_01]: but I don't know why

[01:35:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it's beautiful

[01:36:01] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's so different from LA and it was

[01:36:03] [SPEAKER_01]: like a such a just a wild

[01:36:05] [SPEAKER_05]: move your dad also

[01:36:07] [SPEAKER_05]: did a TV show

[01:36:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I was talking about to go into your dad's

[01:36:11] [SPEAKER_01]: but he was flying to LA

[01:36:13] [SPEAKER_02]: to do two days a week on Dave's world while

[01:36:15] [SPEAKER_02]: you were living five days a week that's wild

[01:36:17] [SPEAKER_02]: and then come back for the weekend basically yes

[01:36:19] [SPEAKER_01]: for several years that sounds hard

[01:36:21] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I wouldn't recommend anyone do that

[01:36:23] [SPEAKER_02]: no your dad

[01:36:25] [SPEAKER_02]: the great Harry Anderson

[01:36:27] [SPEAKER_02]: whose work I idolized

[01:36:29] [SPEAKER_02]: always in like reading about him

[01:36:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and some of the things you've told me had that

[01:36:33] [SPEAKER_02]: kind of fascinating thing of just being

[01:36:35] [SPEAKER_02]: like very successful within

[01:36:37] [SPEAKER_02]: show business and having kind of like a deep

[01:36:39] [SPEAKER_02]: distaste and distrust for show business

[01:36:41] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah exactly where I understand

[01:36:43] [SPEAKER_02]: the impulse to be like

[01:36:44] [SPEAKER_02]: oh you and your brother are getting older

[01:36:46] [SPEAKER_02]: do I want to raise the kids here do I want to be

[01:36:49] [SPEAKER_02]: in this if I have enough power that I can

[01:36:51] [SPEAKER_02]: live somewhere else and still do the work

[01:36:53] [SPEAKER_02]: right can I make my own rules

[01:36:55] [SPEAKER_02]: it's just funny that this is the thing

[01:36:57] [SPEAKER_02]: that he sparked to and then was like

[01:36:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm moving there

[01:37:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I know so he took a full year

[01:37:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's a town of demons

[01:37:04] [SPEAKER_01]: no he took also a year where he just like didn't

[01:37:07] [SPEAKER_01]: work at all and he was like a

[01:37:09] [SPEAKER_01]: volunteer fireman while

[01:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: in in fall city

[01:37:13] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah and also like an empire

[01:37:15] [SPEAKER_01]: for little league he did like a lot of small town jobs

[01:37:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and then he was like I'm bored I'm going back

[01:37:19] [SPEAKER_05]: right there Barry I'm gonna be him

[01:37:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna play Dave Barry show with shadow

[01:37:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Stevens what's his world like

[01:37:25] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah that's world like yeah

[01:37:27] [SPEAKER_01]: so weird weird weird

[01:37:29] [SPEAKER_01]: choices overall I'm mom

[01:37:31] [SPEAKER_01]: if you're listening to this I'm probably wrong

[01:37:33] [SPEAKER_01]: about a lot of it sure she were young

[01:37:35] [SPEAKER_01]: podcast she really yeah she likes

[01:37:37] [SPEAKER_01]: listen hi hi this mom

[01:37:39] [SPEAKER_05]: hmm all right so okay

[01:37:41] [SPEAKER_05]: our let's characters okay so Dale Cooper

[01:37:43] [SPEAKER_05]: yes what do we think of him

[01:37:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I think by comma clock one I was a special

[01:37:47] [SPEAKER_01]: agent in the FBI I texted you guys this

[01:37:49] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I was just let's just get into it problematic

[01:37:51] [SPEAKER_01]: a cab problematic fave

[01:37:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Eva wants to drag Dale

[01:37:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Cooper on main he

[01:37:58] [SPEAKER_02]: has not aged well

[01:38:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I think

[01:38:02] [SPEAKER_01]: no no not really but

[01:38:03] [SPEAKER_01]: it was a fun text chain for us to be saying

[01:38:05] [SPEAKER_01]: that he was a fuck boy I do think

[01:38:08] [SPEAKER_05]: we were doing the fake

[01:38:09] [SPEAKER_05]: dick I

[01:38:13] [SPEAKER_05]: do think that Dale

[01:38:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Dale's limitations are crucial

[01:38:17] [SPEAKER_05]: to later twin peaks

[01:38:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's season one well I can't

[01:38:20] [SPEAKER_05]: speak to that yeah I think it's

[01:38:22] [SPEAKER_05]: he's a one that's less true he's more

[01:38:24] [SPEAKER_05]: of this really fun ingredient

[01:38:26] [SPEAKER_05]: sure yeah of just

[01:38:28] [SPEAKER_05]: like everyone else is the small town guy

[01:38:30] [SPEAKER_05]: and he is so into the small town but

[01:38:32] [SPEAKER_05]: he's an oddity

[01:38:34] [SPEAKER_05]: among it is it's interesting to me

[01:38:36] [SPEAKER_05]: that it's like what if Fox Mulder never left

[01:38:38] [SPEAKER_05]: like he shows up to do an X

[01:38:40] [SPEAKER_05]: file sure some weird town with a like

[01:38:42] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah the fucking you know whatever

[01:38:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Jersey Devil lives here and he's like I like it

[01:38:46] [SPEAKER_01]: here yeah I'm just gonna stay kind of like

[01:38:48] [SPEAKER_05]: your dad where he was just like

[01:38:50] [SPEAKER_01]: we should move here immediately right it's also

[01:38:52] [SPEAKER_01]: the thing of being like usually

[01:38:54] [SPEAKER_01]: the cliche would be like I can't believe

[01:38:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm hanging out with these yokels and then he's just

[01:38:58] [SPEAKER_01]: immediately like I love it these are good everything's

[01:39:00] [SPEAKER_01]: cool it's good people the food is great

[01:39:02] [SPEAKER_01]: the trees are great

[01:39:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing the opposite of what you

[01:39:06] [SPEAKER_02]: whenever you get glimpses of the

[01:39:08] [SPEAKER_02]: agency or they come to visit him you're

[01:39:10] [SPEAKER_02]: just like the vibes are so much more

[01:39:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean Albert who is one of my

[01:39:14] [SPEAKER_05]: like favorite twin peaks character

[01:39:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Miguel Furrier but when he

[01:39:18] [SPEAKER_05]: shows up right like he's the one who's like

[01:39:20] [SPEAKER_05]: this place fucking sucks like

[01:39:22] [SPEAKER_02]: why are you into this and this is the fucking

[01:39:24] [SPEAKER_02]: guy from any other mystery

[01:39:26] [SPEAKER_02]: culture you've watched this is exactly

[01:39:28] [SPEAKER_05]: the hero of the label right where he's like

[01:39:30] [SPEAKER_05]: oh yeah small town like

[01:39:32] [SPEAKER_05]: you're not even dressing there's a season 2

[01:39:34] [SPEAKER_05]: episode where he's like you're not even

[01:39:36] [SPEAKER_05]: dressing well anymore like why are you wearing

[01:39:37] [SPEAKER_05]: a flannel shirt it's so funny

[01:39:39] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah but uh but yes

[01:39:41] [SPEAKER_05]: but Dale he likes coffee

[01:39:43] [SPEAKER_05]: he talks into a tape recorder to Diane

[01:39:46] [SPEAKER_05]: the unseen assistant this is what I was

[01:39:48] [SPEAKER_02]: gonna say that we've talked

[01:39:50] [SPEAKER_02]: a lot about how funny David

[01:39:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Lynch is as like a person

[01:39:54] [SPEAKER_02]: and his behavior sure and his whole

[01:39:56] [SPEAKER_02]: energy and how his movies are

[01:39:58] [SPEAKER_02]: often very funny but I feel

[01:40:00] [SPEAKER_02]: like he rarely has a character

[01:40:02] [SPEAKER_02]: that is funny in the way that he

[01:40:04] [SPEAKER_02]: is funny as a person

[01:40:05] [SPEAKER_02]: hmm yes like this is

[01:40:07] [SPEAKER_02]: we're talking about how much

[01:40:09] [SPEAKER_02]: he is an analog

[01:40:11] [SPEAKER_02]: for Lynch himself

[01:40:13] [SPEAKER_02]: but this is also the only character

[01:40:15] [SPEAKER_02]: that captures that weirdness

[01:40:17] [SPEAKER_02]: for me isn't just like this is Lynch's

[01:40:19] [SPEAKER_02]: sense of humor but this is the behavioral

[01:40:20] [SPEAKER_02]: oddness of Lynch and I wonder if

[01:40:23] [SPEAKER_02]: the key to that is having the collaborator

[01:40:25] [SPEAKER_02]: and Mark Frost having someone working

[01:40:27] [SPEAKER_02]: with him who also has

[01:40:29] [SPEAKER_02]: a perspective a step outside

[01:40:31] [SPEAKER_01]: of Lynch I will say that there's

[01:40:33] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot more of it in the return

[01:40:35] [SPEAKER_01]: in a very nice way like funny

[01:40:37] [SPEAKER_01]: guys yeah yeah and

[01:40:39] [SPEAKER_02]: and also as you said like he and

[01:40:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Glockland growing together and yeah

[01:40:43] [SPEAKER_01]: but even just other characters are like this guy

[01:40:45] [SPEAKER_01]: is just here for fun yeah

[01:40:48] [SPEAKER_05]: yes um

[01:40:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Cooper in

[01:40:51] [SPEAKER_05]: season one well he's trying to solve Laura Palmer's

[01:40:53] [SPEAKER_05]: murder he's very drawn to her

[01:40:56] [SPEAKER_02]: uh sort right

[01:40:57] [SPEAKER_02]: like her story and they immediately identified

[01:40:59] [SPEAKER_02]: like she has a ton of drugs in her system

[01:41:01] [SPEAKER_02]: sure she's tangled in this like naughty web

[01:41:03] [SPEAKER_02]: of like relationship intrigue

[01:41:05] [SPEAKER_02]: with a bunch of other kids at school

[01:41:06] [SPEAKER_05]: the public presentation of her

[01:41:09] [SPEAKER_05]: is she's the prom queen

[01:41:10] [SPEAKER_05]: she was the girlfriend to Bobby

[01:41:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Briggs who is the son

[01:41:15] [SPEAKER_05]: of a military man and is

[01:41:17] [SPEAKER_05]: you know the sort of sensible sort

[01:41:19] [SPEAKER_05]: of golden boy is the

[01:41:21] [SPEAKER_05]: James James type of town as well

[01:41:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I would say that James Dean type is James Hurley

[01:41:25] [SPEAKER_05]: sure she's secretly dating but she wasn't

[01:41:27] [SPEAKER_05]: really that entangled with James who

[01:41:29] [SPEAKER_05]: she actually thought of as a sort

[01:41:31] [SPEAKER_05]: of sweetie pie more than like a

[01:41:33] [SPEAKER_05]: dark yes you know

[01:41:34] [SPEAKER_05]: boyfriend type sure and she

[01:41:37] [SPEAKER_05]: was actually also a sex worker

[01:41:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I was gonna say so was maybe

[01:41:41] [SPEAKER_05]: part of one eyed jacks but would also just

[01:41:43] [SPEAKER_05]: like we had random sex worker she was a drug addict

[01:41:45] [SPEAKER_02]: the facts they get at immediately

[01:41:47] [SPEAKER_02]: are she had a bunch of cocaine in

[01:41:49] [SPEAKER_02]: her system she had three sexual

[01:41:51] [SPEAKER_02]: partners in the last 24 hours of her

[01:41:53] [SPEAKER_02]: life like all these things that just

[01:41:54] [SPEAKER_02]: immediately feel in Congress with

[01:41:56] [SPEAKER_02]: the sweetie pie yeah just this

[01:41:59] [SPEAKER_01]: this tutor this nice

[01:42:00] [SPEAKER_05]: right so she was a tutor she was

[01:42:02] [SPEAKER_05]: she did meals on wheels

[01:42:04] [SPEAKER_05]: you know her dad

[01:42:06] [SPEAKER_05]: is a you know a lawyer

[01:42:08] [SPEAKER_05]: who's a part of this you know big part

[01:42:10] [SPEAKER_05]: of the city like you know grew up in this

[01:42:12] [SPEAKER_05]: picture perfect life we out of you

[01:42:14] [SPEAKER_02]: dude I think it's at the beginning of season

[01:42:16] [SPEAKER_02]: two where Russ Tamblin says the thing

[01:42:18] [SPEAKER_02]: of like it almost feels like he's implying

[01:42:20] [SPEAKER_02]: that Laura Palmer killed herself

[01:42:22] [SPEAKER_02]: and Cooper pushes back on it

[01:42:24] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's like I'm not implying she killed herself

[01:42:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying she might have allowed

[01:42:28] [SPEAKER_02]: herself to be killed

[01:42:30] [SPEAKER_02]: which feels like the key to the character

[01:42:32] [SPEAKER_02]: is this feeling of like there was so much

[01:42:34] [SPEAKER_02]: suffering going on for someone who's trying so hard

[01:42:36] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah that's that's like really well put

[01:42:38] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah but

[01:42:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I would say throughout season one we

[01:42:42] [SPEAKER_05]: learn lots of things about Laura

[01:42:44] [SPEAKER_05]: but we don't learn who killed her really

[01:42:47] [SPEAKER_05]: and

[01:42:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Cooper will have these dreams

[01:42:50] [SPEAKER_05]: where he goes to another place

[01:42:53] [SPEAKER_05]: with a chevron floor

[01:42:54] [SPEAKER_05]: and red velvet curtains a little similar

[01:42:56] [SPEAKER_02]: to our room people ask the kind of room we record

[01:42:59] [SPEAKER_02]: in and it is very logic

[01:43:00] [SPEAKER_02]: we don't have a chevron floor though I'd like

[01:43:02] [SPEAKER_02]: we have big red curtains but then the walls

[01:43:04] [SPEAKER_02]: are white but it's similarly just a

[01:43:06] [SPEAKER_02]: weird perfectly cubed

[01:43:08] [SPEAKER_02]: windowless room what if we had some

[01:43:10] [SPEAKER_02]: statues you know like a little Venus

[01:43:12] [SPEAKER_05]: de Milo I go I play a Buster Keaton

[01:43:14] [SPEAKER_01]: statue I really quick when I was

[01:43:16] [SPEAKER_01]: in Moscow years ago with Amy Nicholson

[01:43:18] [SPEAKER_01]: for the Moscow Film Festival I went to

[01:43:20] [SPEAKER_01]: a knockoff sleep no more

[01:43:22] [SPEAKER_01]: that they had in downtown Moscow

[01:43:24] [SPEAKER_05]: and Eva you will go to a knockoff sleep

[01:43:26] [SPEAKER_05]: no more in any country

[01:43:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and the way they onboarded you in Russian

[01:43:30] [SPEAKER_01]: was they brought you to a room that

[01:43:32] [SPEAKER_01]: looked exactly like the black lodge and they played

[01:43:34] [SPEAKER_01]: the Twin Peaks theme oh so it was over

[01:43:36] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah and then they gave you some sleep

[01:43:38] [SPEAKER_01]: no more masks they had stolen from sleep

[01:43:40] [SPEAKER_01]: no more this and then they sent you

[01:43:42] [SPEAKER_01]: into the mansion which was full of

[01:43:44] [SPEAKER_01]: you know dancing people

[01:43:46] [SPEAKER_01]: but it was very funny to just be like oh you're

[01:43:48] [SPEAKER_01]: doing they just did you're using the short

[01:43:50] [SPEAKER_02]: hand like this kind of vibe yeah it's like

[01:43:52] [SPEAKER_01]: this all of Twin Peaks just stolen

[01:43:55] [SPEAKER_02]: but as you said there's

[01:43:56] [SPEAKER_02]: there's a lot less of that in the first

[01:43:58] [SPEAKER_02]: season and he's more drawn to

[01:44:00] [SPEAKER_05]: this like life

[01:44:02] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah people he loves

[01:44:04] [SPEAKER_05]: the aesthetics of the local cops

[01:44:06] [SPEAKER_05]: their coffee their doughnuts

[01:44:08] [SPEAKER_05]: yes he thinks they're like good

[01:44:10] [SPEAKER_05]: moral people yeah which

[01:44:12] [SPEAKER_05]: is so interesting because he's basically

[01:44:14] [SPEAKER_05]: entering this like

[01:44:15] [SPEAKER_05]: a den of immorality

[01:44:17] [SPEAKER_01]: right you're cheating and lying

[01:44:19] [SPEAKER_05]: every right and like he meets

[01:44:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Josie Packard and the first thing he says to

[01:44:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Truman is like how long you've been sleeping with her

[01:44:25] [SPEAKER_05]: like it's not like he's like

[01:44:27] [SPEAKER_05]: morally upright in that way sure

[01:44:29] [SPEAKER_05]: but he sees like goodness in the good

[01:44:31] [SPEAKER_05]: characters of twin it is wild

[01:44:33] [SPEAKER_02]: how much sex everyone is having

[01:44:35] [SPEAKER_02]: with everyone on the show

[01:44:37] [SPEAKER_01]: correct I feel like if

[01:44:39] [SPEAKER_01]: the if the story is true

[01:44:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Laura Flynn Boyle saved us from

[01:44:43] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe the Audrey feeling weird about

[01:44:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Dale Cooper Lynch and frost

[01:44:47] [SPEAKER_02]: at the time where like that was going to be one of our

[01:44:49] [SPEAKER_02]: big threads for season two and one of the reasons

[01:44:52] [SPEAKER_02]: the season went off the rails Audrey is very lost

[01:44:53] [SPEAKER_02]: in season two was because we couldn't have them

[01:44:55] [SPEAKER_02]: end up together and I'm like I think history

[01:44:58] [SPEAKER_02]: it's probably better

[01:44:59] [SPEAKER_02]: the way the dynamic plays exactly

[01:45:01] [SPEAKER_01]: of like the tension of it like she's

[01:45:03] [SPEAKER_01]: got a big crush on him he does the right thing

[01:45:06] [SPEAKER_01]: instead of be like yeah sure I will

[01:45:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna fuck this teenage right

[01:45:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Audrey who is

[01:45:11] [SPEAKER_05]: the the the high schooler

[01:45:13] [SPEAKER_05]: who goes the least to the school of these

[01:45:15] [SPEAKER_05]: high schools you never go to school you're like

[01:45:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like is Audrey even enrolled

[01:45:19] [SPEAKER_05]: is anyone aware that she's not at school

[01:45:21] [SPEAKER_05]: there's one episode where someone says

[01:45:23] [SPEAKER_05]: to Ben Horn like you know your daughter

[01:45:25] [SPEAKER_05]: has been like seen at school in three months

[01:45:27] [SPEAKER_05]: and he's like oh yeah where is she

[01:45:29] [SPEAKER_03]: it's like she fucking lives at what I jacked

[01:45:32] [SPEAKER_03]: she's like an FBI

[01:45:33] [SPEAKER_03]: undercover agent sort of

[01:45:35] [SPEAKER_03]: like I mean like isn't she

[01:45:37] [SPEAKER_03]: supposed to learn algebra or whatever

[01:45:38] [SPEAKER_01]: she's just going around your hotel

[01:45:40] [SPEAKER_01]: bothering groups of people

[01:45:43] [SPEAKER_02]: anyway I like that she's

[01:45:45] [SPEAKER_02]: sort of his weird version

[01:45:46] [SPEAKER_02]: of like an encyclopedia

[01:45:48] [SPEAKER_02]: brown hearty boy he's like right

[01:45:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Nancy Drew yes yes

[01:45:52] [SPEAKER_05]: she's funny because

[01:45:54] [SPEAKER_05]: she should be entangled in the

[01:45:56] [SPEAKER_05]: there's sort of a love triangle right like a

[01:45:58] [SPEAKER_05]: love rhombus

[01:46:00] [SPEAKER_05]: cause it's like Laura now dead

[01:46:02] [SPEAKER_05]: you bang

[01:46:04] [SPEAKER_05]: go on hey rhombus

[01:46:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Bobby her boyfriend

[01:46:07] [SPEAKER_05]: James her actual boyfriend Donna her best

[01:46:09] [SPEAKER_05]: friend but John likes James

[01:46:11] [SPEAKER_02]: right that's what's funny everyone in this

[01:46:13] [SPEAKER_02]: show is cheating on everyone else and you're like

[01:46:15] [SPEAKER_02]: wouldn't this person be upset and they're like no because they're having a fair

[01:46:18] [SPEAKER_05]: with the other person they actually worked up

[01:46:19] [SPEAKER_02]: about that guy right everyone has two partners

[01:46:22] [SPEAKER_05]: right like cause Bobby actually really

[01:46:23] [SPEAKER_05]: likes you know Shelly

[01:46:25] [SPEAKER_05]: the machinamic character

[01:46:27] [SPEAKER_05]: but Shelly's married to Leo who's abusive

[01:46:29] [SPEAKER_05]: but Leo actually likes

[01:46:31] [SPEAKER_05]: evil

[01:46:32] [SPEAKER_05]: right he's fucking evil

[01:46:33] [SPEAKER_05]: he's going balls deep and evil

[01:46:36] [SPEAKER_05]: right yeah and then right of course

[01:46:38] [SPEAKER_05]: you know then you have Peggy Lipton

[01:46:40] [SPEAKER_05]: the beautiful perfect

[01:46:42] [SPEAKER_05]: beautiful Peggy Lipton

[01:46:43] [SPEAKER_05]: how do you feel about her though

[01:46:45] [SPEAKER_05]: she's so gorgeous as Norma

[01:46:48] [SPEAKER_05]: the diner owner the double r

[01:46:50] [SPEAKER_05]: is the diner and she really

[01:46:52] [SPEAKER_05]: loves big Ed but big Ed isn't

[01:46:54] [SPEAKER_05]: is married to

[01:46:56] [SPEAKER_05]: one Jesus what's her name

[01:46:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Jesus Christ I said her name

[01:47:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Nadine right Nadine the great Nadine

[01:47:02] [SPEAKER_05]: who is of course

[01:47:03] [SPEAKER_05]: insane and again this is

[01:47:05] [SPEAKER_05]: it's like it's a it's another

[01:47:07] [SPEAKER_05]: great lynch thing Nadine is clinically depressed

[01:47:10] [SPEAKER_05]: slash bipolar or something right like

[01:47:12] [SPEAKER_05]: she has like a medical

[01:47:13] [SPEAKER_05]: like mental illness she also has one eye

[01:47:16] [SPEAKER_05]: she does have one eye we learn why

[01:47:17] [SPEAKER_05]: she does not work at one eye jacks no

[01:47:19] [SPEAKER_05]: she doesn't work at one eye jacks these are the subtleties

[01:47:21] [SPEAKER_05]: these are the nuances Nadine is a

[01:47:24] [SPEAKER_05]: sad character yes and big Ed

[01:47:26] [SPEAKER_05]: his love for her is

[01:47:28] [SPEAKER_05]: real like you know like you get or

[01:47:30] [SPEAKER_05]: like his protectiveness for her even though he doesn't

[01:47:31] [SPEAKER_05]: like want to be married to her and I think is like

[01:47:34] [SPEAKER_02]: one of these warmer characters

[01:47:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I love I love it so much

[01:47:38] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah cuz like Bobby

[01:47:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean not Bobby James isn't even his son

[01:47:42] [SPEAKER_05]: yes James is just his like ward

[01:47:44] [SPEAKER_05]: it's just a guy who shows up with his mic and is

[01:47:46] [SPEAKER_01]: like how you doing James we need some advice

[01:47:47] [SPEAKER_05]: today but but like

[01:47:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Ed's like

[01:47:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Nadine is like compellingly

[01:47:54] [SPEAKER_05]: tragic yeah but also she's

[01:47:56] [SPEAKER_05]: obsessed with making silent drape runners

[01:47:58] [SPEAKER_05]: right and that is objectively

[01:48:00] [SPEAKER_05]: just fucking funny yeah she's yelling at him

[01:48:02] [SPEAKER_05]: about cotton balls and oil and stuff

[01:48:04] [SPEAKER_02]: she's annoying get into season

[01:48:05] [SPEAKER_05]: season two she just thinks she's a teenager and

[01:48:08] [SPEAKER_02]: get superpowers big Ed explains the whole

[01:48:09] [SPEAKER_02]: history of the relationships where it's sort of like

[01:48:12] [SPEAKER_02]: there were these kind of sliding doors

[01:48:14] [SPEAKER_05]: of like yes these moments

[01:48:16] [SPEAKER_05]: where we could have broken up and then something

[01:48:18] [SPEAKER_05]: tragic happened and we were fused back

[01:48:20] [SPEAKER_02]: together the Peggy Lipton was like his high school

[01:48:22] [SPEAKER_02]: sweetheart everyone thought they were gonna get together

[01:48:24] [SPEAKER_02]: and then they were like on a break and

[01:48:25] [SPEAKER_02]: like briefly this one moment they get married

[01:48:28] [SPEAKER_02]: very quickly him and Edine and yeah

[01:48:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Peggy Lipton's so hot

[01:48:32] [SPEAKER_01]: who's her evil husband

[01:48:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Norma's evil husband

[01:48:37] [SPEAKER_05]: yes fuck one of my least favorite characters

[01:48:40] [SPEAKER_05]: he's just a little pink

[01:48:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Hank but Hank's a great actor

[01:48:43] [SPEAKER_05]: great actor love that actor and Chris

[01:48:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Mulkey's the actor I feel like he never has much to do

[01:48:48] [SPEAKER_05]: in Twin Peaks he's a little one note as

[01:48:50] [SPEAKER_01]: written he's just like I'm worse than Leo

[01:48:51] [SPEAKER_02]: right is he he's sort of better end

[01:48:54] [SPEAKER_02]: can I give you my take he's snake from the

[01:48:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Simpsons oh yes yes I'm a criminal

[01:48:59] [SPEAKER_02]: and we're gonna do a bad thing

[01:49:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll shoot someone and he's even sure I got

[01:49:03] [SPEAKER_02]: the hair and you're like I get that your whole

[01:49:05] [SPEAKER_02]: identity is doing crimes you don't seem

[01:49:07] [SPEAKER_02]: to that bad you sound illegal

[01:49:10] [SPEAKER_05]: whereas Leo it's like dude

[01:49:11] [SPEAKER_05]: like Leo feels like a guy that I would be

[01:49:14] [SPEAKER_05]: like hey how you doing man he's like the fuck

[01:49:15] [SPEAKER_05]: push me across the room and I'd be in a fight

[01:49:18] [SPEAKER_05]: with a guy I'd never met like

[01:49:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Leo has great fashion though I kept noticing he had

[01:49:22] [SPEAKER_01]: really good shirts and jackets Leo is

[01:49:24] [SPEAKER_05]: played by Eric de Ray who is Joanna

[01:49:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Ray's son with Aldo with Aldo Ray yeah

[01:49:31] [SPEAKER_05]: and so in a way you're kind of like oh they just

[01:49:33] [SPEAKER_05]: because like Leo in season one especially it's

[01:49:35] [SPEAKER_05]: like he's not that important sure yeah he's

[01:49:37] [SPEAKER_05]: just Shelly's awful husband and he's

[01:49:40] [SPEAKER_05]: mean to her and he's very obviously a

[01:49:43] [SPEAKER_05]: possible Laura Palmer killer maybe too

[01:49:45] [SPEAKER_05]: obvious right and you know yeah did they

[01:49:48] [SPEAKER_05]: just give this guy a role just kind of

[01:49:49] [SPEAKER_05]: being nice right to join a ray I guess

[01:49:52] [SPEAKER_05]: but he kind of especially later on he kind

[01:49:55] [SPEAKER_05]: of rocks like the actor like there's a weird

[01:49:59] [SPEAKER_05]: crazy humor to him yeah and

[01:50:03] [SPEAKER_05]: he's sort of kind of like what you're saying

[01:50:06] [SPEAKER_05]: about Chris Mulkey like a cartoon in a

[01:50:10] [SPEAKER_05]: nasty way but like in kind of a pivotal

[01:50:12] [SPEAKER_05]: way right I don't know no no I'm with you yeah

[01:50:16] [SPEAKER_01]: can we talk about all the teenage boys

[01:50:17] [SPEAKER_05]: together okay so the teenage boys we got

[01:50:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Bobby played by Dana Ashbrook my personal

[01:50:23] [SPEAKER_02]: favorite I love Bobby I guess is Bobby

[01:50:25] [SPEAKER_02]: more the like Warren Beatty Splinter in

[01:50:30] [SPEAKER_02]: the grass archetype sure he's the but

[01:50:32] [SPEAKER_05]: he is the golden boy he's supposed to be

[01:50:33] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of like the football star right

[01:50:35] [SPEAKER_02]: he's supposed to have that like you're

[01:50:37] [SPEAKER_02]: tearing me apart energy which is

[01:50:40] [SPEAKER_02]: it's why I invoke James Dean fair

[01:50:42] [SPEAKER_02]: he's maybe not the James Dean

[01:50:44] [SPEAKER_02]: character archetype but I feel like in

[01:50:46] [SPEAKER_02]: the emotionality of the performance yes

[01:50:48] [SPEAKER_02]: he's got the James Dean energy he's got

[01:50:50] [SPEAKER_01]: the anger he's also like he's like

[01:50:52] [SPEAKER_01]: he's like one of the jets yes yes

[01:50:54] [SPEAKER_05]: because James even though he has the

[01:50:58] [SPEAKER_05]: aesthetics of Marlon Brando or what it

[01:51:00] [SPEAKER_05]: right this biker boy James Dean

[01:51:02] [SPEAKER_05]: whatever he's a very sweet boy yes

[01:51:05] [SPEAKER_05]: like he's very soulful and he's more

[01:51:07] [SPEAKER_02]: emotionally bottled right and Laura

[01:51:09] [SPEAKER_05]: was clearly drawn to him not because

[01:51:11] [SPEAKER_05]: she wanted to fuck him because she

[01:51:13] [SPEAKER_05]: like saw the kind of sweetness and

[01:51:15] [SPEAKER_02]: sadness and yes like he the actor

[01:51:17] [SPEAKER_02]: remind me his name the actors of course

[01:51:20] [SPEAKER_02]: James Marshall jumps from this has

[01:51:22] [SPEAKER_02]: the key role beyond key role in a few

[01:51:26] [SPEAKER_02]: good men oh of course he's really good

[01:51:28] [SPEAKER_02]: and I was like what why did this guy

[01:51:31] [SPEAKER_02]: not have a bigger career and he comes

[01:51:33] [SPEAKER_02]: back for the return whatever I read

[01:51:34] [SPEAKER_02]: that he launched a like 15 million

[01:51:37] [SPEAKER_02]: dollar lawsuit against Accutane the

[01:51:40] [SPEAKER_05]: crazy acne medication that he had

[01:51:42] [SPEAKER_02]: very bad acne and was taking it in

[01:51:45] [SPEAKER_02]: these early days of his acting career

[01:51:46] [SPEAKER_02]: and then it caused him serious health

[01:51:48] [SPEAKER_02]: problems and it sounds like one of these

[01:51:49] [SPEAKER_02]: cases that stuff is really intense

[01:51:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean it's like right especially back in

[01:51:54] [SPEAKER_02]: the day but he like had a trial where

[01:51:58] [SPEAKER_02]: like fucking Rob Reiner and like I

[01:52:01] [SPEAKER_02]: think David Lynch was a witness as well

[01:52:02] [SPEAKER_02]: like all the people who worked with

[01:52:04] [SPEAKER_02]: him in the early 90s were like this

[01:52:06] [SPEAKER_02]: guy was about to blow up and his

[01:52:07] [SPEAKER_02]: career was completely derailed

[01:52:09] [SPEAKER_02]: because this medication and I believe

[01:52:11] [SPEAKER_02]: the case was thrown out there were some

[01:52:12] [SPEAKER_02]: small settlements sure but if it's

[01:52:15] [SPEAKER_02]: upsetting he's really really fucking

[01:52:18] [SPEAKER_05]: good he's great into him because I will

[01:52:20] [SPEAKER_05]: say he is objectively without debate

[01:52:22] [SPEAKER_05]: the actor most screwed over in season

[01:52:24] [SPEAKER_05]: two they give him the one storyline

[01:52:26] [SPEAKER_05]: that is unwatchable and it takes

[01:52:30] [SPEAKER_05]: several episodes where they truly do

[01:52:32] [SPEAKER_05]: you know what I'm talking about maybe

[01:52:33] [SPEAKER_05]: you didn't I forgot where they

[01:52:35] [SPEAKER_05]: truly are kind of like what should James

[01:52:37] [SPEAKER_05]: do like James goes off to this story

[01:52:39] [SPEAKER_05]: and you'll see it but I'm great

[01:52:41] [SPEAKER_01]: presence yeah he has a great presence

[01:52:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I do feel like it's interesting this time

[01:52:46] [SPEAKER_01]: around I was like all the teenage boys

[01:52:48] [SPEAKER_01]: are also beautiful women yes so true

[01:52:51] [SPEAKER_05]: they're very pretty like Dana

[01:52:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Ashbrook is very pretty oh yeah very

[01:52:54] [SPEAKER_02]: pretty there's also something with

[01:52:55] [SPEAKER_02]: his acuteen face not Dana Ashbrook

[01:52:58] [SPEAKER_02]: right James Marshall James Marshall

[01:53:00] [SPEAKER_02]: where like he is so smooth looking

[01:53:03] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah right there is that weird

[01:53:04] [SPEAKER_02]: unnatural quality has a bit of a kendo

[01:53:06] [SPEAKER_02]: thing being on this like insane

[01:53:08] [SPEAKER_01]: medication he has crazy

[01:53:10] [SPEAKER_01]: the most like the bone structure

[01:53:13] [SPEAKER_01]: kissable lips yes the most

[01:53:15] [SPEAKER_05]: kowdy mouth beautiful mouse right

[01:53:17] [SPEAKER_05]: are there any other boys we need to

[01:53:18] [SPEAKER_01]: talk about there's a blonde boy but I

[01:53:20] [SPEAKER_05]: don't think he's I love that guy

[01:53:22] [SPEAKER_05]: what I need to find his name

[01:53:25] [SPEAKER_05]: because he's he never leaves

[01:53:27] [SPEAKER_05]: the show and he's even in season

[01:53:28] [SPEAKER_05]: he's even in the return pretty much

[01:53:30] [SPEAKER_05]: everyone's sick of it but that

[01:53:32] [SPEAKER_05]: actor is also just someone

[01:53:34] [SPEAKER_05]: you're talking about Bobby's best

[01:53:36] [SPEAKER_05]: friend Bobby's best friend what the hell

[01:53:38] [SPEAKER_05]: his name oh god cut this all

[01:53:40] [SPEAKER_05]: out I keep it all in double

[01:53:42] [SPEAKER_05]: it oh god cut this all

[01:53:44] [SPEAKER_05]: out I keep it all in double

[01:53:46] [SPEAKER_05]: it Mike Mike Nelson

[01:53:49] [SPEAKER_05]: right see other problem there's like

[01:53:50] [SPEAKER_05]: multiple mics there's multiple

[01:53:52] [SPEAKER_05]: played by Gary Hirschberger

[01:53:54] [SPEAKER_05]: who I also know right from

[01:53:56] [SPEAKER_05]: six feet under he's the villain in

[01:53:58] [SPEAKER_05]: six feet under thank you the villain

[01:54:00] [SPEAKER_05]: six feet under is death yeah well no

[01:54:02] [SPEAKER_05]: that would say six years about accepting

[01:54:04] [SPEAKER_05]: death uh no he's the

[01:54:05] [SPEAKER_05]: the guy in six feet under who represents

[01:54:08] [SPEAKER_05]: the like funeral chain

[01:54:10] [SPEAKER_05]: who's trying to like absorb them into like

[01:54:12] [SPEAKER_05]: whatever it is you know that's fun

[01:54:14] [SPEAKER_05]: anyway love that actor we talk about

[01:54:16] [SPEAKER_05]: sort of like the mill

[01:54:18] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah the mill faction right

[01:54:20] [SPEAKER_05]: sure just to wrap the boys

[01:54:22] [SPEAKER_05]: oh it's like James seems like the

[01:54:24] [SPEAKER_05]: bad boy James actually basically

[01:54:26] [SPEAKER_05]: a good boy one of the book house boys

[01:54:28] [SPEAKER_05]: who we can talk at you know he's sort of an honorary

[01:54:30] [SPEAKER_05]: or a fledgling book house boy

[01:54:32] [SPEAKER_05]: and then right Bobby

[01:54:34] [SPEAKER_05]: uh the golden boy

[01:54:35] [SPEAKER_05]: with uh his dad is one of my

[01:54:38] [SPEAKER_05]: favorite characters and it's a very important character

[01:54:40] [SPEAKER_05]: later on um

[01:54:42] [SPEAKER_05]: uh Garland Briggs

[01:54:44] [SPEAKER_05]: he is basically drug

[01:54:45] [SPEAKER_05]: mule he and Leo are basically like running

[01:54:47] [SPEAKER_05]: drugs into town

[01:54:50] [SPEAKER_05]: under the auspices of

[01:54:51] [SPEAKER_05]: more evil

[01:54:54] [SPEAKER_05]: guys but they're one eye

[01:54:56] [SPEAKER_05]: jacks right basically for one

[01:54:57] [SPEAKER_05]: rather yes yes yes

[01:54:59] [SPEAKER_05]: and you know Bobby

[01:55:01] [SPEAKER_05]: is an interesting character

[01:55:03] [SPEAKER_05]: and who will kind of clean it

[01:55:05] [SPEAKER_05]: up in the return which you'll see

[01:55:07] [SPEAKER_05]: and he has in my opinion the greatest moment

[01:55:10] [SPEAKER_05]: of acting in the return that like makes me

[01:55:11] [SPEAKER_05]: cry um but uh

[01:55:14] [SPEAKER_05]: he's kind of just a nasty little

[01:55:16] [SPEAKER_05]: fucker in season one like there's nothing

[01:55:18] [SPEAKER_05]: much nothing love about him he's a fucking

[01:55:19] [SPEAKER_04]: monster yeah yeah

[01:55:22] [SPEAKER_01]: he's full of pain he's full of pain

[01:55:23] [SPEAKER_01]: but he's also just a little

[01:55:25] [SPEAKER_01]: barks like a dog he's a little bitch

[01:55:27] [SPEAKER_02]: he's cruel yeah well there's also

[01:55:29] [SPEAKER_02]: there's the thing and you know he's grieving

[01:55:31] [SPEAKER_02]: to some degree and he's dealing with his guilt

[01:55:33] [SPEAKER_02]: and whatever yeah but there's that thing of like if you

[01:55:35] [SPEAKER_02]: start a show with a dead body and then

[01:55:37] [SPEAKER_02]: you're like great we gotta interview her boyfriend

[01:55:39] [SPEAKER_02]: and immediately find out he was cheating on her

[01:55:41] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah you're gonna jump

[01:55:43] [SPEAKER_02]: straight to fuck this guy yeah and also

[01:55:45] [SPEAKER_01]: they're like Laura's dead he's like huh

[01:55:48] [SPEAKER_05]: what what are you talking about

[01:55:50] [SPEAKER_05]: because the first episode

[01:55:52] [SPEAKER_05]: like Twin Peaks is largely not

[01:55:54] [SPEAKER_05]: so sad yes

[01:55:56] [SPEAKER_05]: but the first episode is really sad

[01:55:58] [SPEAKER_05]: like Donna crying

[01:56:00] [SPEAKER_05]: in the classroom like obviously

[01:56:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Grace Spirskie just screaming like you know

[01:56:04] [SPEAKER_05]: like leaving that freaking out

[01:56:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Josie shutting down the mill

[01:56:06] [SPEAKER_05]: it's more like this town

[01:56:10] [SPEAKER_05]: has kind of been cooking

[01:56:11] [SPEAKER_05]: it knew something was wrong

[01:56:14] [SPEAKER_05]: and Laura this angel is dead

[01:56:16] [SPEAKER_05]: and it's like the whole thing is cracking open

[01:56:18] [SPEAKER_05]: now everyone kind of has to look

[01:56:20] [SPEAKER_05]: at the evil they've been trying to ignore

[01:56:21] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah and it's fucked up

[01:56:23] [SPEAKER_05]: and then every time Dale is like damn good coffee

[01:56:26] [SPEAKER_05]: you're like thank god this guy's here man

[01:56:28] [SPEAKER_05]: like he's chilling me out

[01:56:30] [SPEAKER_05]: like everyone else is freaking me out

[01:56:32] [SPEAKER_05]: the mill okay so yeah the mill

[01:56:34] [SPEAKER_05]: there's a mill Griffin

[01:56:36] [SPEAKER_05]: yes which is

[01:56:38] [SPEAKER_02]: it's quite a complicated series of it's run

[01:56:40] [SPEAKER_02]: by Josie Packard right it's kind of the

[01:56:42] [SPEAKER_02]: financial center of the town sure her husband

[01:56:44] [SPEAKER_02]: has died somewhat recently in a boating

[01:56:46] [SPEAKER_02]: accident yes

[01:56:47] [SPEAKER_02]: watch out for Susan too

[01:56:49] [SPEAKER_05]: run by Josie who is

[01:56:51] [SPEAKER_05]: right who has inherited it

[01:56:54] [SPEAKER_05]: and is

[01:56:54] [SPEAKER_05]: an out of towner

[01:56:57] [SPEAKER_02]: she's from China

[01:56:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I was gonna say am I wrong for

[01:57:01] [SPEAKER_02]: assuming knowing that I still have not

[01:57:03] [SPEAKER_02]: watched a lot of the show

[01:57:05] [SPEAKER_02]: that she was someone who went through

[01:57:07] [SPEAKER_02]: the one eye jacks pipeline

[01:57:09] [SPEAKER_02]: you are wrong for assuming that

[01:57:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I just thought it was interesting the way they talk about

[01:57:13] [SPEAKER_02]: later in the season when you're watching Audrey

[01:57:15] [SPEAKER_02]: go through it and you're hearing her meet

[01:57:17] [SPEAKER_02]: the other sort of women there

[01:57:19] [SPEAKER_02]: that the whole idea is like and this is how

[01:57:21] [SPEAKER_02]: you get access to the wealthiest men in town

[01:57:23] [SPEAKER_02]: this is how you get their ear

[01:57:24] [SPEAKER_05]: her backstory is just that she met Andrew Packard

[01:57:27] [SPEAKER_05]: who's the dead husband

[01:57:28] [SPEAKER_05]: like some black tavern in Hong Kong

[01:57:30] [SPEAKER_05]: and he like brought her over but of course the idea

[01:57:32] [SPEAKER_05]: is that like she is

[01:57:34] [SPEAKER_05]: an exotic foreigner yes and everyone

[01:57:37] [SPEAKER_05]: is a little suspicious of her for this reason

[01:57:39] [SPEAKER_05]: including Cooper

[01:57:41] [SPEAKER_05]: including Cooper she's sleeping

[01:57:43] [SPEAKER_05]: with the sheriff

[01:57:44] [SPEAKER_05]: right but

[01:57:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Cooper is immediately like bad idea

[01:57:48] [SPEAKER_05]: don't do that but he kind of respects it

[01:57:51] [SPEAKER_05]: though he's kind of like Eric Truman

[01:57:52] [SPEAKER_05]: you know what I mean and then there's

[01:57:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Catherine Martell

[01:57:55] [SPEAKER_05]: the brother

[01:57:58] [SPEAKER_05]: of Andrew Packard

[01:58:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Andrew Packard was her brother

[01:58:02] [SPEAKER_05]: and she's married to Jack

[01:58:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Nance Pete Martell who we love

[01:58:06] [SPEAKER_05]: who discovers the body

[01:58:08] [SPEAKER_05]: but he's mostly just there to be Jack

[01:58:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Nance right but

[01:58:12] [SPEAKER_05]: no what were you going to say

[01:58:13] [SPEAKER_01]: she's sleeping with

[01:58:14] [SPEAKER_05]: and she is sleeping with Ben Horn

[01:58:16] [SPEAKER_05]: who played by Richard Baymer

[01:58:18] [SPEAKER_05]: who is the head of the

[01:58:20] [SPEAKER_05]: hotel

[01:58:21] [SPEAKER_05]: and general right exactly business interest

[01:58:25] [SPEAKER_05]: who is

[01:58:27] [SPEAKER_05]: the most evil character in Twin Peaks

[01:58:29] [SPEAKER_05]: apart from like Bob

[01:58:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if we're counting like Bob

[01:58:33] [SPEAKER_01]: but Amoral

[01:58:33] [SPEAKER_05]: just keep your eye on him

[01:58:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Griffin as we go through Twin Peaks

[01:58:40] [SPEAKER_05]: because like I think the journey of Ben

[01:58:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Horn is very interesting in that the show

[01:58:43] [SPEAKER_05]: both does and doesn't punish him

[01:58:45] [SPEAKER_05]: sure and if you like write down everything

[01:58:47] [SPEAKER_05]: that Ben Horn did is involved with you're like

[01:58:50] [SPEAKER_05]: this man is like a monster

[01:58:52] [SPEAKER_05]: oh I'm hating him already right and I think

[01:58:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Baymer is so good yeah which is

[01:58:56] [SPEAKER_05]: so funny because he you know he's

[01:58:58] [SPEAKER_05]: he's a total stiff in West Side Story

[01:59:00] [SPEAKER_05]: right just the only other thing I know him in

[01:59:02] [SPEAKER_05]: same he's the lead

[01:59:03] [SPEAKER_05]: of West Side Story obviously right and your take away

[01:59:05] [SPEAKER_05]: is Tony yeah he's Tony

[01:59:07] [SPEAKER_05]: yes isn't that crazy but that's

[01:59:09] [SPEAKER_02]: little of an impact

[01:59:11] [SPEAKER_05]: in that movie I mean he looks

[01:59:13] [SPEAKER_05]: he's a handsome guy that's about all you

[01:59:15] [SPEAKER_05]: can write he's like a total zero apart

[01:59:17] [SPEAKER_05]: it's cursed it is a curse

[01:59:19] [SPEAKER_05]: a curse for me that is yes I think

[01:59:21] [SPEAKER_05]: that's true and he's so good in this

[01:59:23] [SPEAKER_05]: because he kind of underplays the slimes

[01:59:25] [SPEAKER_05]: items yeah like

[01:59:27] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah he could be

[01:59:29] [SPEAKER_05]: more arch villainous in a way and

[01:59:31] [SPEAKER_05]: like Piper Laurie is actually the closest thing

[01:59:33] [SPEAKER_05]: the show has to like a classic so

[01:59:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Boprah villain yeah you're kind of rooting

[01:59:37] [SPEAKER_05]: for her she's kind of delicious

[01:59:39] [SPEAKER_05]: well let's she seems kind of evil

[01:59:41] [SPEAKER_05]: let's unpack this a little bit it feels

[01:59:43] [SPEAKER_02]: like this town used to be a sort

[01:59:45] [SPEAKER_02]: of company town centered around the mill

[01:59:47] [SPEAKER_02]: right sure and that slowly but surely

[01:59:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Horn has been building all these other

[01:59:51] [SPEAKER_05]: businesses around this kind of land empire

[01:59:53] [SPEAKER_05]: and then he has the secret empire of like

[01:59:55] [SPEAKER_02]: prostitution there's both there's both like

[01:59:57] [SPEAKER_02]: he has his fingers in like four or five

[01:59:59] [SPEAKER_02]: front-facing businesses quietly he owns

[02:00:01] [SPEAKER_02]: all the sort of like hub businesses of the

[02:00:03] [SPEAKER_02]: town yeah the mill is still seemingly

[02:00:05] [SPEAKER_02]: sort of thought of as like the financial

[02:00:07] [SPEAKER_02]: core of the town even if it's maybe not the main

[02:00:09] [SPEAKER_02]: and possibly being poorly run

[02:00:12] [SPEAKER_02]: by Josie is sort of the well

[02:00:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Josie now owns it but

[02:00:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Catherine is still basically running

[02:00:17] [SPEAKER_02]: it she basically seems to function

[02:00:19] [SPEAKER_02]: as like the manager from day to day

[02:00:21] [SPEAKER_02]: which I think causes her the additional frustration

[02:00:23] [SPEAKER_02]: that like that's seems like

[02:00:25] [SPEAKER_02]: probably the relationship between her

[02:00:27] [SPEAKER_02]: and her brother that she did the day

[02:00:29] [SPEAKER_02]: to day and he ostensibly

[02:00:31] [SPEAKER_02]: control the purse strings because he was

[02:00:33] [SPEAKER_02]: the male right and that was their inheritance

[02:00:36] [SPEAKER_02]: and now she's like still stuck

[02:00:37] [SPEAKER_02]: in this position with this wife that she

[02:00:39] [SPEAKER_02]: never really trusted that she thinks

[02:00:42] [SPEAKER_02]: she's lost technically right yeah

[02:00:43] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah but she doesn't like

[02:00:45] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah um and then

[02:00:47] [SPEAKER_02]: she's sleeping with the guy who's actually kind of controlling

[02:00:50] [SPEAKER_02]: all of the financial levers in the town

[02:00:52] [SPEAKER_02]: but the mill is this kind

[02:00:53] [SPEAKER_02]: of contested it's like capture the flag

[02:00:55] [SPEAKER_02]: this is the castle yeah yeah

[02:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: yes horn cub it's it

[02:00:59] [SPEAKER_01]: capture says burn it down

[02:01:01] [SPEAKER_05]: yes yes what do you

[02:01:03] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah what do you guys think of Catherine Martell play by

[02:01:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Pepper Laurie who is so crucial in season one

[02:01:07] [SPEAKER_05]: and then exists in

[02:01:09] [SPEAKER_05]: season two and does wild stuff

[02:01:11] [SPEAKER_05]: but it's kind doesn't really it's one of the

[02:01:13] [SPEAKER_05]: best examples of the show kind of not knowing

[02:01:15] [SPEAKER_05]: how to keep wheels spinning of like kind of like

[02:01:17] [SPEAKER_05]: what should we do with the mill in the in the town

[02:01:19] [SPEAKER_05]: now like once again for so many

[02:01:21] [SPEAKER_02]: characters it's a lot of now she's kind

[02:01:23] [SPEAKER_01]: of doing a riff on almost like her

[02:01:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Carrie like Stephen King's

[02:01:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Carrie I think he loves casting

[02:01:29] [SPEAKER_02]: people who come with baggage

[02:01:31] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah positive way right baggage

[02:01:33] [SPEAKER_02]: absolute well it's a lot of child

[02:01:35] [SPEAKER_02]: stars and a lot of children

[02:01:37] [SPEAKER_02]: of movie stars yeah right

[02:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: it's a lot of people like associated

[02:01:41] [SPEAKER_01]: with teen movies too right but like

[02:01:43] [SPEAKER_02]: uh Richard Baymer

[02:01:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Piper Laurie um

[02:01:47] [SPEAKER_02]: fucking Peggy Lipton to a degree

[02:01:49] [SPEAKER_02]: absolutely you're watching all of them thinking about

[02:01:51] [SPEAKER_02]: what they had done decades earlier yeah

[02:01:53] [SPEAKER_02]: people like Miguel Freire who are coming

[02:01:55] [SPEAKER_02]: in who are like children of stars you know

[02:01:57] [SPEAKER_02]: um but I

[02:01:59] [SPEAKER_02]: yes I think being Peggy Lipton I think

[02:02:01] [SPEAKER_05]: had not done anything

[02:02:04] [SPEAKER_05]: since

[02:02:04] [SPEAKER_05]: like the 60s yeah she had

[02:02:07] [SPEAKER_01]: retired so raise her kids I guess the early

[02:02:09] [SPEAKER_05]: 70s when the mod squad ends basically and

[02:02:11] [SPEAKER_05]: she did a mod squad TV movie in

[02:02:13] [SPEAKER_05]: 79 but like she truly had retired

[02:02:15] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah Lynch is basically plucking her

[02:02:17] [SPEAKER_05]: out of our memories and like putting

[02:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: back to us. What she likes doing in Piper Laurie feels more relevant

[02:02:21] [SPEAKER_02]: than all these people because Carrie had at least

[02:02:23] [SPEAKER_02]: been a comeback that happened in between

[02:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah the two errors of her

[02:02:27] [SPEAKER_05]: career uh and that's why I do

[02:02:29] [SPEAKER_05]: feel like that's why she gets she's great

[02:02:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I love her she's

[02:02:33] [SPEAKER_05]: hilarious but like that's

[02:02:35] [SPEAKER_05]: why she's getting Oscar in Golden Globe

[02:02:37] [SPEAKER_05]: not I mean Emmy sorry you know like

[02:02:39] [SPEAKER_05]: you know because she's the big one of the big

[02:02:41] [SPEAKER_01]: names. I love when she catches

[02:02:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Shelley tied up in the mill and she goes

[02:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: hmm let me think like

[02:02:46] [SPEAKER_01]: she has a really great delivery of just like

[02:02:48] [SPEAKER_01]: not not gonna untie you just yet

[02:02:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gaming this out

[02:02:52] [SPEAKER_01]: it's just like such pure just wickedness

[02:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: right also like in a show where

[02:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: the murder doesn't happen yeah she would

[02:02:59] [SPEAKER_02]: be the central character

[02:03:01] [SPEAKER_02]: right like she's like the J or the

[02:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: villain yeah the J are exactly right

[02:03:04] [SPEAKER_05]: the she'd be the person everything

[02:03:06] [SPEAKER_05]: antagonist protagonist or whatever

[02:03:09] [SPEAKER_05]: and she's she pushes

[02:03:11] [SPEAKER_05]: a lot of action

[02:03:12] [SPEAKER_05]: yes and she does

[02:03:14] [SPEAKER_05]: do that in the show sort of but it is

[02:03:18] [SPEAKER_05]: funny watching the show kind of like

[02:03:19] [SPEAKER_05]: watching early X files or whatever and these

[02:03:21] [SPEAKER_05]: other shows like pre I do

[02:03:23] [SPEAKER_05]: think Buffy and stuff like that in the

[02:03:25] [SPEAKER_05]: later 90s start to invent what we think of as

[02:03:27] [SPEAKER_05]: like modern TV storytelling yeah we're just like

[02:03:29] [SPEAKER_05]: you got your big arc you got your mini arcs

[02:03:31] [SPEAKER_05]: you got your episode all talking about

[02:03:33] [SPEAKER_02]: we're kind of pulling from

[02:03:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Twin Peaks and going like okay what did they do

[02:03:37] [SPEAKER_02]: right we're finding it yeah thinking more

[02:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: build this in a way that is sustainable

[02:03:41] [SPEAKER_05]: because Twin Peaks is like right let's just roll

[02:03:43] [SPEAKER_05]: lots of snowballs down the hill

[02:03:44] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah some of them will collide

[02:03:47] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah others won't at all

[02:03:49] [SPEAKER_05]: right some storylines

[02:03:51] [SPEAKER_05]: will carry through some storylines will

[02:03:52] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of abandon or shape shift away you know

[02:03:54] [SPEAKER_05]: it's like you're seeing prototypes of

[02:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: what I'm talking about it's funny that like even

[02:03:58] [SPEAKER_02]: within the same decade I don't know if it's five

[02:04:00] [SPEAKER_02]: or six years later Joe Dante does

[02:04:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yuri Indiana which is the children

[02:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: children's TV show that was great

[02:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: but was also sort of like can we do Twin Peaks

[02:04:09] [SPEAKER_02]: for kids it feels like it's overtly

[02:04:10] [SPEAKER_02]: that yes and even that is like we

[02:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: know how to keep this on rails and then

[02:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: lost is like we're going to keep it on rails no

[02:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: we aren't right we're just going to do all the same

[02:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: stuff again I mean lost is kind of the most

[02:04:20] [SPEAKER_02]: fascinating mirror of this thing except

[02:04:22] [SPEAKER_02]: they kept it on for seven or eight years

[02:04:25] [SPEAKER_02]: relationship to it was

[02:04:26] [SPEAKER_02]: so similar but losses also

[02:04:28] [SPEAKER_05]: if you read the pitch for lost and

[02:04:30] [SPEAKER_05]: like what they're you know they basically lied

[02:04:32] [SPEAKER_05]: yes and they were basically like

[02:04:34] [SPEAKER_05]: it won't be a mystery show we promise

[02:04:37] [SPEAKER_05]: it's going to be because we can do the

[02:04:38] [SPEAKER_05]: flashbacks it can be a cop show and

[02:04:40] [SPEAKER_05]: it can be a lawyer show and it can do all this

[02:04:42] [SPEAKER_05]: stuff through the flashbacks and it's like

[02:04:44] [SPEAKER_05]: no pretty quickly it's just going to turn into

[02:04:46] [SPEAKER_05]: what's going on with the island like that will be

[02:04:48] [SPEAKER_02]: such an overriding din it was also like

[02:04:50] [SPEAKER_02]: wasn't the president of ABC at the time was

[02:04:52] [SPEAKER_02]: like survivors a big hit we should

[02:04:54] [SPEAKER_02]: do scripted survivor yeah I think that is

[02:04:56] [SPEAKER_05]: like yes right JJ

[02:04:58] [SPEAKER_05]: first he went to someone else who has a credit

[02:05:00] [SPEAKER_05]: on every episode of lost god bless him he has

[02:05:02] [SPEAKER_05]: nothing to do with the show he wrote a

[02:05:03] [SPEAKER_05]: different like stranded on an island plot

[02:05:05] [SPEAKER_05]: and they threw it out Jeffrey Lieber anyway

[02:05:08] [SPEAKER_05]: and then I think JJ was the one who takes over

[02:05:10] [SPEAKER_05]: and JJ breaks in Lindeloff and we put

[02:05:12] [SPEAKER_02]: 10% of Twin Peaks on top of the

[02:05:14] [SPEAKER_02]: lost on an island thing right exactly

[02:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: like it's weird that he's the researcher for the

[02:05:18] [SPEAKER_05]: show it is weird I think JJ

[02:05:19] [SPEAKER_05]: just likes to work and that's why he

[02:05:22] [SPEAKER_05]: he's moved over to our show

[02:05:24] [SPEAKER_02]: huge development at HBO Max and like nothing

[02:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: has gotten made out of it

[02:05:28] [SPEAKER_02]: even though he's gotten like 400 million

[02:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: dollars you just need something to do with his time

[02:05:32] [SPEAKER_05]: he's just bored but I have

[02:05:34] [SPEAKER_05]: some bad news for him he's going to have even more things to do

[02:05:36] [SPEAKER_05]: with the time because he's fired he is fired

[02:05:38] [SPEAKER_05]: and

[02:05:40] [SPEAKER_05]: um no it's just

[02:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: thank you for doing a Twin Peaks

[02:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: toskie JJ yeah there was another person I

[02:05:46] [SPEAKER_02]: was thinking of like that I while I was

[02:05:48] [SPEAKER_02]: watching this I was just thinking about where like this is so

[02:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: thought of as like the David Lynch show

[02:05:52] [SPEAKER_02]: right and then people who go like one

[02:05:54] [SPEAKER_02]: step below that understand that Mark

[02:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Frost is the important co-author very

[02:05:58] [SPEAKER_02]: important of this thing but so often in

[02:06:01] [SPEAKER_02]: these cases where it's like

[02:06:02] [SPEAKER_02]: you bring a person from movies

[02:06:04] [SPEAKER_02]: into create a show

[02:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: then they just fucking bounce

[02:06:08] [SPEAKER_02]: and people get associated with these

[02:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: things but it's like all they did was set the table

[02:06:12] [SPEAKER_02]: and then leave and even JJ

[02:06:14] [SPEAKER_02]: who uses lost as sort of the spring board

[02:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: to his movie career

[02:06:18] [SPEAKER_02]: it's like he still gets so much

[02:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: credit for that show yeah all

[02:06:22] [SPEAKER_02]: he did was the play setting it was

[02:06:24] [SPEAKER_01]: directing the pilot incredibly well yeah

[02:06:26] [SPEAKER_02]: you know but people still when that show

[02:06:28] [SPEAKER_02]: was like in its final seasons

[02:06:30] [SPEAKER_02]: people would be like oh JJ what's he thinking

[02:06:32] [SPEAKER_02]: you know and he was sort of personified

[02:06:35] [SPEAKER_02]: in this way versus like

[02:06:36] [SPEAKER_02]: even the drifting

[02:06:38] [SPEAKER_02]: involvement that frost

[02:06:40] [SPEAKER_02]: and Lynch had in season 2 is more

[02:06:43] [SPEAKER_02]: than JJ ever had post

[02:06:44] [SPEAKER_02]: episode 1 of Lost yeah no

[02:06:46] [SPEAKER_01]: read the Mo Ryan

[02:06:48] [SPEAKER_01]: book right he's not even mentioned in that chapter

[02:06:50] [SPEAKER_05]: JJ had nothing to do with Lost basically

[02:06:52] [SPEAKER_05]: right yeah yeah yeah yeah

[02:06:54] [SPEAKER_05]: he would occasionally um

[02:06:56] [SPEAKER_05]: swoop into direct an episode for funsies

[02:06:58] [SPEAKER_05]: or whatever but yeah he direct other episodes

[02:07:00] [SPEAKER_05]: JJ yeah he did uh I can even

[02:07:03] [SPEAKER_05]: look it up okay when we look it up yeah

[02:07:04] [SPEAKER_05]: look it up Davey look it up how many

[02:07:07] [SPEAKER_01]: uh like overall

[02:07:08] [SPEAKER_01]: ish episodes did Lynch direct this

[02:07:10] [SPEAKER_02]: because David was okay thinking

[02:07:12] [SPEAKER_02]: that Lynch only did one or two in season 2

[02:07:15] [SPEAKER_02]: and he did far more than that

[02:07:16] [SPEAKER_05]: so David Lynch directs the pilot yeah he

[02:07:18] [SPEAKER_05]: directs episode 3

[02:07:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Xander the skilled to catch a killer which is

[02:07:22] [SPEAKER_05]: the episode with the dream yeah

[02:07:25] [SPEAKER_05]: with the three rocks the bottles and all

[02:07:27] [SPEAKER_02]: that frost does the finale frost

[02:07:28] [SPEAKER_05]: directed the film that was the only episodes he directed of season 1

[02:07:31] [SPEAKER_05]: right season 2 he directs

[02:07:33] [SPEAKER_05]: um may the giant be with you the first episode

[02:07:34] [SPEAKER_05]: back which is another feature length

[02:07:37] [SPEAKER_05]: 90 that's a 90 minute

[02:07:38] [SPEAKER_05]: episode I just I forget

[02:07:41] [SPEAKER_05]: if it's right if it's broken it's

[02:07:42] [SPEAKER_05]: it was a 90 minute episode and like again

[02:07:44] [SPEAKER_05]: it's like the ones he directed you're like oh of course

[02:07:47] [SPEAKER_05]: he directed this all the imagery I remember

[02:07:48] [SPEAKER_05]: is from this uh and he directs

[02:07:51] [SPEAKER_05]: the episode after that or I'm that's what I'm trying

[02:07:53] [SPEAKER_02]: to see Griffin does the reveal episode

[02:07:54] [SPEAKER_02]: right and then he had he goes away he

[02:07:56] [SPEAKER_05]: comes back to do um

[02:07:58] [SPEAKER_05]: lonely souls which is the not

[02:08:00] [SPEAKER_05]: the reveal episode no uh

[02:08:02] [SPEAKER_01]: which is I think that is 6

[02:08:06] [SPEAKER_01]: 6

[02:08:06] [SPEAKER_05]: hmm what you keep saying

[02:08:08] [SPEAKER_01]: 6 I think it's episode 6 episode 7

[02:08:11] [SPEAKER_02]: 7 it's also tough

[02:08:12] [SPEAKER_02]: to track because they in the season 2

[02:08:14] [SPEAKER_02]: still keep calling them like chapter 14

[02:08:16] [SPEAKER_02]: so you're like he directs right lonely souls

[02:08:19] [SPEAKER_05]: it's the episode where

[02:08:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I would say the killer is revealed

[02:08:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to spoil where a terrible

[02:08:25] [SPEAKER_05]: thing happens okay um

[02:08:27] [SPEAKER_05]: but it's not the episode where the killer

[02:08:29] [SPEAKER_05]: is caught

[02:08:30] [SPEAKER_05]: and confesses I'm thinking of

[02:08:33] [SPEAKER_01]: the lonely so it is happening again

[02:08:35] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah episode another lynch

[02:08:37] [SPEAKER_05]: thing yes and then he directs

[02:08:39] [SPEAKER_05]: um the finale

[02:08:40] [SPEAKER_05]: uh um beyond life and death