Richard Lawson (Vanity Fair) returns to Blank Check this week to discuss 2001’s Vanilla Sky. But just how blue collar is actor Timothy Spall? Does Tom Cruise’s character, the media magnate, also know director Steven Spielberg? Does your body make a promise when you sleep with someone? Together, they examine Penelope Cruz’s crossover performance, Cruise’s acting while masked, living in a post-Shrek America, and bucket hats.
[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David
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[00:00:13] All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check
[00:00:31] I am David Sims, this is the podcast called Blank Check with Griffin and David, Colin
[00:00:49] We pod a cast
[00:00:52] Okay, said in that voice
[00:00:54] I don't know who that guy is, I'm going through a psychological free fall
[00:00:57] We're the two friends, hashtag the two friends until Barack Obama relents to our campaign to have him join as the third pal
[00:01:05] Yeah, but he would be the third pal
[00:01:07] He'd be the third pal
[00:01:09] And this is a podcast where we talk about filmmakers who have success early on and are given some number of blank checks in Hollywood to keep on making movies their way into what happens
[00:01:21] Very often they spiral out
[00:01:23] This is a sort of a Fulcrum movie for the filmmaker we're currently talking about who is Cameron Crow
[00:01:28] Yes
[00:01:29] And this, the movie we're discussing today is Vanilla Sky
[00:01:33] Vanilla Sky
[00:01:34] Vanilla Sky, the 2001 picture
[00:01:39] So just to put you in a headspace we're in a post-trek landscape
[00:01:44] Shrek has come and changed the game
[00:01:46] But also you should introduce our guest
[00:01:49] It was important to set the table with Shrek
[00:01:51] Wait, we're talking about Shrek before we talk about our guest?
[00:01:53] We have a very special guest here today
[00:01:55] I keep pointing to him
[00:01:56] He's a returning guest
[00:01:57] Yes
[00:01:58] One of the few we've had on this show
[00:01:59] Yes
[00:02:00] His last appearance on the show, a blockbuster
[00:02:02] It's a great one
[00:02:03] Was the Vanilla Sky podcast episodes, it was huge
[00:02:06] But much anticipated
[00:02:09] Yes
[00:02:10] You may know him from Vanity Fair
[00:02:14] From Little Gold Man the podcast
[00:02:17] And from his appearance on the Lady in the Water episode of Pod Night Shama Cast
[00:02:21] In ascending order
[00:02:23] Ladies and gentlemen, Richard Lawson
[00:02:25] Hey guys
[00:02:26] He's here
[00:02:27] Thanks for having me again
[00:02:28] I sort of begged, I think both of you to be on this particular
[00:02:32] Well at first I wanted to do Zoo
[00:02:33] I was gonna say
[00:02:34] But then I was like
[00:02:35] You were a zoo man
[00:02:36] You wanted to buy a zoo
[00:02:37] But then I bought one and realized it's a shitty investment
[00:02:40] And now
[00:02:41] And that Scarlett Johansson doesn't love you
[00:02:43] No, never will
[00:02:45] And now I'm doing this one because
[00:02:47] I have a lot more of a personal connection to this movie
[00:02:49] Interesting
[00:02:50] Yeah, a twist
[00:02:51] So last time I did the funny, jokey Lady in the Water one
[00:02:53] Which I'll say is genuinely one of my favorite episodes we've ever done
[00:02:56] I just listened to it again and I was telling Richard
[00:02:59] We compared Topofeldscher to the Lorax
[00:03:01] Which was such a good bit
[00:03:03] It's right out of nowhere
[00:03:04] I really think, you know, if we were Emmy eligible
[00:03:07] I think David and I
[00:03:08] That'd be the tape
[00:03:09] We would have submitted you as best guest actor in a podcast
[00:03:13] Do you know what I'm saying?
[00:03:14] Like a kind of, like a Holland Taylor level
[00:03:17] Sort of just like
[00:03:18] Yeah, exactly
[00:03:19] In and out does a good job leaves
[00:03:20] But like immediately jumps in
[00:03:21] Fits into the tapestry of the show
[00:03:23] Brings something new but doesn't feel like an outside element
[00:03:26] And then is gone
[00:03:28] You know, but we had to bring you back
[00:03:29] Much like Holland Taylor
[00:03:30] Well thanks
[00:03:31] I'm happy to be here
[00:03:32] Next week by the way
[00:03:33] Our guest on the show will be Holland Taylor
[00:03:35] Oh that'd be great
[00:03:36] Holland Taylor's gonna go to Elizabeth Town with us
[00:03:39] She could take a trip
[00:03:40] You can have Sarah Paulson sitting down in the green room
[00:03:42] Just waiting
[00:03:43] Just picking at her cuticles
[00:03:47] By the way, I heard that Sarah Paulson's next girlfriend
[00:03:49] Is going to be Catherine Hepburn
[00:03:54] She's moving on up
[00:03:56] In those years
[00:03:57] The bluer the blood
[00:03:58] The more she wants to hang out with them
[00:04:00] Lois Smith's just good
[00:04:01] You just broke Lois Smith's heart
[00:04:03] Lois Smith, great in the nice guys
[00:04:05] And I just saw her in something else
[00:04:07] She's always playing blind people
[00:04:11] She plays a blind person in the nice guy
[00:04:13] She may, you know, vision impaired
[00:04:15] Vision impaired
[00:04:16] Who did she just play a blind...
[00:04:17] It doesn't matter
[00:04:18] Gary on
[00:04:19] Mr. Magoo, she's in that Magoo reboot, right?
[00:04:21] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
[00:04:22] Magoo 3D
[00:04:24] Magoo.0
[00:04:27] Ladies and gentlemen, there's one other person we have to introduce
[00:04:29] Before we get into a very serious discussion of the motion picture vanilla sky
[00:04:32] Directed by Cameron Crowe starring
[00:04:33] I prefer vanilla sky
[00:04:34] I'm sorry, vanilla sky
[00:04:36] I'm gonna stick to that
[00:04:37] Yeah
[00:04:38] The person we have to introduce, of course
[00:04:41] Yep, we have to do some
[00:04:42] We could even say produce him
[00:04:44] Is Ben Hoslin
[00:04:48] Hey everyone
[00:04:50] Another episode of Blank Check
[00:04:52] Are you doing okay?
[00:04:54] Wow, said with mortal dread
[00:04:56] Yeah, that was...
[00:04:57] Ben, this is a lucid dream
[00:04:58] Don't worry
[00:04:59] That was dire, Ben
[00:05:00] Well, I had to wake up this morning
[00:05:02] Another episode of Blank Check
[00:05:03] And watch this movie
[00:05:05] Ben
[00:05:06] Vanilla Sky
[00:05:07] What's the name of the movie, Ben?
[00:05:08] Vanilla Sky
[00:05:12] Now some of you...
[00:05:13] I love a vanilla wafer
[00:05:14] I don't know about you guys
[00:05:15] Some of you might be confused
[00:05:16] Ben going, Ben, this guy
[00:05:17] Is he usually a part of the podcast?
[00:05:18] He is
[00:05:19] You might know him by different names
[00:05:20] Producer Ben, producer Ben
[00:05:21] The Ben Deuce or the poet Loria
[00:05:22] The Hos, Mr. Positive
[00:05:23] Or they, Benny
[00:05:24] She's very pro
[00:05:25] The tiebreaker, the fuckmaster
[00:05:26] He's not Professor Crispy
[00:05:28] He is the peeper
[00:05:29] He is the poet Loria
[00:05:30] Sure
[00:05:31] Unofficially, he is our greatest film critic
[00:05:33] Yeah
[00:05:34] He has graduated to different titles
[00:05:36] Throughout different miniseries
[00:05:37] Producer Ben Konobe
[00:05:39] Kylo Ben
[00:05:40] Ben Sate
[00:05:41] And I went out of order
[00:05:43] Sure
[00:05:44] And Ben Nyechamwa
[00:05:45] Good job
[00:05:46] Thank you
[00:05:47] Wasn't that great, Richie?
[00:05:48] He just did it quickly
[00:05:49] I was thinking Cam Ben Crow
[00:05:50] Cam Ben Crow
[00:05:51] And we've got a suggestion
[00:05:53] And as always, as always
[00:05:54] You know, the listener has to remember
[00:05:56] To tell Ben that he had the methalofenol
[00:05:58] Oh, man
[00:06:00] He had them
[00:06:01] New twist on it
[00:06:02] At hellofenol
[00:06:03] Oh, God
[00:06:04] That came from a listener
[00:06:05] I forget who I'm sorry for not giving me credit
[00:06:07] Okay, yeah, Cam Ben Crow
[00:06:09] Cam Ben Crow, okay
[00:06:10] So the year is 2001
[00:06:11] Okay
[00:06:12] This movie comes out like
[00:06:13] 12 months after Almost Famous
[00:06:15] Yeah
[00:06:16] It was Almost Famous in winter release as well
[00:06:18] I believe Almost Famous was October
[00:06:20] And this film comes out December
[00:06:22] December 14th, 2001
[00:06:24] So we're talking 14 months later
[00:06:26] Now, this is interesting because
[00:06:28] You know, Almost Famous was
[00:06:30] DreamWorks still sort of in the first couple years
[00:06:33] Giving him a really big blank check
[00:06:35] Coming off of Jeremy Gweyer
[00:06:37] How big that was, right?
[00:06:38] Absolutely
[00:06:39] Some years later
[00:06:40] He comes back with his comeback
[00:06:41] And he's given
[00:06:42] I believe that film cost
[00:06:43] Wait, he came back with a comeback?
[00:06:45] Yeah
[00:06:46] Great
[00:06:47] Just checking
[00:06:49] I believe that film cost $70 million
[00:06:52] Yeah, definitely
[00:06:53] In 2000
[00:06:54] It didn't make a lot of money
[00:06:55] It made 30
[00:06:56] 30 domestic
[00:06:57] Won him the Oscar
[00:06:58] Yes
[00:06:59] So it sort of balanced out the thing, right?
[00:07:01] Yeah, but even while he's winning that Oscar
[00:07:03] He's filming vanilla style
[00:07:04] Now that's what's interesting to me
[00:07:06] Because this isn't
[00:07:07] This could sort of be a blank check move
[00:07:09] Because the two things that usually give someone
[00:07:10] A blank check are an Oscar
[00:07:12] Or massive financial success
[00:07:13] Sure
[00:07:14] And if you get both
[00:07:15] Then you're in the money, right?
[00:07:17] You've been shown the money
[00:07:18] Right
[00:07:19] And he came off of like
[00:07:20] One movie that was a big Oscar contender
[00:07:22] And then, you know
[00:07:23] Made a tremendous amount of
[00:07:24] Mula
[00:07:25] And then made another film
[00:07:27] That got a ton of nominations
[00:07:28] Got him one
[00:07:29] Didn't do that well but was beloved
[00:07:30] But at this point he is
[00:07:31] A brand, right?
[00:07:32] Sure
[00:07:33] But he's caching in a check
[00:07:34] Before he's even received it
[00:07:36] To a degree
[00:07:37] And the lore I've heard is
[00:07:39] He and Tom Cruise are
[00:07:40] Apparently very good friends
[00:07:41] Still to this day
[00:07:42] Good for them
[00:07:43] Great for them, I would say
[00:07:45] Yeah
[00:07:46] Smoke them if you got them
[00:07:48] Well, I've heard things about Tom Cruise
[00:07:51] So, just leave it there
[00:07:54] And they'll watch movies together a lot
[00:07:56] He's got one and he smokes them
[00:08:00] And Cruise brought him
[00:08:01] You're saying Cruise brought him
[00:08:03] Open your eyes
[00:08:04] Brought him abre la sojo
[00:08:05] What I heard is
[00:08:06] Cruise is saying I option this fucker
[00:08:08] Not even
[00:08:09] What I heard is that
[00:08:10] Oh, okay
[00:08:11] What I heard is that
[00:08:13] Cruise is sort of this omnivore
[00:08:15] He's constantly watching movies
[00:08:16] Because he wants to like
[00:08:17] Discover new directors, right?
[00:08:18] Sure
[00:08:19] And so I think they were
[00:08:20] Watching something together
[00:08:21] And they watched it
[00:08:22] And they really liked it
[00:08:23] I don't know
[00:08:24] I guess if you heard
[00:08:25] He had optioned it by that point
[00:08:26] I've got the story for you here
[00:08:27] He optioned the film instantly
[00:08:28] When it came out in America
[00:08:29] It was at Sundance
[00:08:31] Yes
[00:08:32] It was an Alejandro Aminabar movie
[00:08:34] And that guy
[00:08:36] Yeah, where'd he go?
[00:08:38] No, he made a Greek epic
[00:08:40] With Rachel Weiss a few years ago
[00:08:41] That nobody saw
[00:08:42] Agora, Agora
[00:08:43] Agora
[00:08:44] Agora, right
[00:08:45] He made the others, right?
[00:08:46] And he made the sea inside
[00:08:48] Which is one of the best movies of the
[00:08:50] Of its decade
[00:08:51] I mean, pretty much the same time
[00:08:53] As Vanilla Skye's coming out
[00:08:54] And also was a massive financial success
[00:08:57] Huge hit
[00:08:58] Especially considering
[00:08:59] Bakeford and Fulton Kidman
[00:09:00] Which is an interesting
[00:09:01] That was Nicole's like
[00:09:02] It was a career revival
[00:09:03] Yeah, and to put both those movies in
[00:09:07] Because that's 2001 too
[00:09:08] The others, right?
[00:09:09] That's 2000
[00:09:10] Because that comes out the same year as
[00:09:12] Mulan Rouge
[00:09:13] Oh, okay
[00:09:14] Because then she wins the following year
[00:09:15] For the act
[00:09:16] Mulan Rouge came out
[00:09:17] Right, it is 2001
[00:09:18] Yes, 2001 is the others
[00:09:20] And Mulan Rouge and then 2002
[00:09:21] She wins for the act
[00:09:22] Yeah, she got double globe gnomes that year
[00:09:24] Tom Cruise
[00:09:25] And Nicole Kim and Fyla for divorce
[00:09:26] I believe in February 2001
[00:09:28] Yes
[00:09:29] Then Nicole Kim and the movie
[00:09:30] And there's the famous shot of her
[00:09:31] Rejoicing with the papers
[00:09:32] And her arms in the air
[00:09:33] Yes
[00:09:34] I thought you were going to say
[00:09:35] Of her holding the boom box
[00:09:36] You were doing the boom box
[00:09:37] Yeah, she was holding the boom box
[00:09:38] Up to, yeah
[00:09:39] And then
[00:09:41] So the others does very well
[00:09:42] That summer
[00:09:43] Is that right?
[00:09:44] Yeah, perfect time to release a movie
[00:09:45] That's set basically at night
[00:09:47] In a dusty old house
[00:09:48] But Mulan Rouge was May
[00:09:50] And the others was like August
[00:09:51] She had this big summer
[00:09:53] Right
[00:09:54] And then 9-11 happened
[00:09:56] And then the other guy came out
[00:09:57] Three months later
[00:09:58] Yeah, in this movie
[00:09:59] I remember really
[00:10:00] Really
[00:10:01] It's one of those movies where
[00:10:02] You almost think like
[00:10:03] Maybe I'll watch this
[00:10:04] And I'll think it's so much better
[00:10:05] Because it was released in the
[00:10:06] Shadow of 9-11
[00:10:07] And it's such a weird
[00:10:09] You know, self-centered movie
[00:10:11] That it's almost like
[00:10:12] Were people even into this?
[00:10:14] Like, you know, could people even really handle this?
[00:10:16] Oh, I have a newspaper magnet
[00:10:17] And I have a facial scar
[00:10:19] Well, it was me, you know
[00:10:20] Like everyone's just like
[00:10:21] Come on
[00:10:22] Yeah, and like
[00:10:23] She swallowed my cum
[00:10:25] I love this movie
[00:10:27] Something no one was doing after that
[00:10:28] Yeah, no, no
[00:10:29] We couldn't
[00:10:30] It was too soon
[00:10:31] The others came out
[00:10:32] August 2001 exactly
[00:10:33] So I thought
[00:10:34] Oh, I'll re-watch this film
[00:10:35] And think
[00:10:36] Ooh, maybe, you know
[00:10:37] But no, I didn't
[00:10:38] No, it's not that good
[00:10:39] You like it?
[00:10:40] I like it quite a bit
[00:10:41] I'll sort of state my case
[00:10:43] Whereas we go through this episode
[00:10:44] Yeah, we'll go through
[00:10:45] But it is definitely a movie
[00:10:46] Where you go like
[00:10:47] Was this a victim of circumstances?
[00:10:48] Yeah
[00:10:49] Because it came out
[00:10:50] It did super well
[00:10:51] Yeah, it did pretty well
[00:10:52] It's a
[00:10:53] Cameron Crowe's second
[00:10:55] Biggest film behind
[00:10:57] Jeremy Guire
[00:10:58] Sure
[00:10:59] By like a good distance
[00:11:00] Yeah
[00:11:01] It's the second highest-grossing film
[00:11:03] And it was
[00:11:05] Not very critically well received
[00:11:06] The public didn't like it very much
[00:11:07] No
[00:11:08] And it got like
[00:11:09] Sort of no Oscar play
[00:11:10] Other than the Paul McCartney song
[00:11:11] And it was a big Oscar play
[00:11:13] Right, I mean it came out in December
[00:11:14] Oh, they thought it was a big Oscar play
[00:11:16] I mean what else are you going to do
[00:11:17] With a big romantic drama, right?
[00:11:19] Because this was in the period
[00:11:20] Where Tom Cruise was trying to get
[00:11:21] That Oscar because he had done
[00:11:22] Magnolia and now this
[00:11:23] And like, you know
[00:11:24] Yeah
[00:11:25] And then the collateral
[00:11:26] A couple years later
[00:11:27] Minority report
[00:11:28] Minority report
[00:11:29] Last samurai
[00:11:30] Suck it
[00:11:31] Oh, last samurai
[00:11:32] That was a big Oscar play
[00:11:33] That didn't work
[00:11:34] But yeah, there's that whole element
[00:11:36] I remember even like
[00:11:37] It was top secret
[00:11:39] The advertising was very vague
[00:11:41] I mean obviously it was a remake
[00:11:42] Of a film that people had seen
[00:11:44] So they knew where it was going
[00:11:45] They were very vague
[00:11:46] In how they're presenting the movie
[00:11:47] And the poster was
[00:11:48] It was from this time
[00:11:50] When all you needed for a poster
[00:11:51] Was just a close-up of Tom Cruise's face
[00:11:53] Right
[00:11:54] All you needed to advertise the movie
[00:11:55] Was Tom Cruise's name
[00:11:56] His face taking up
[00:11:57] The entire dimensions of the poster
[00:11:59] And a color palette
[00:12:00] You know
[00:12:01] Yep, that was it
[00:12:02] Just a tone
[00:12:03] And the poster told you nothing else
[00:12:04] And it made $100 million
[00:12:05] And I remember saying at the time
[00:12:06] Like, well that's
[00:12:07] Proof of Tom Cruise's power
[00:12:08] Is that this movie was not well-liked
[00:12:10] It was by all
[00:12:11] Like, judged by most people
[00:12:13] Even people who liked it to be
[00:12:14] Very self-indulgent
[00:12:15] Kind of a vanity project for both men
[00:12:17] Yeah, it had the smell of vanity project
[00:12:19] All over it
[00:12:20] This one
[00:12:21] Yeah, I mean it did then
[00:12:22] But it even
[00:12:23] It more does now
[00:12:24] In the context of Cruise
[00:12:26] And what was going on in his life
[00:12:27] And what was about to start happening
[00:12:29] With his life
[00:12:30] If you believe kind of like
[00:12:31] Going clear about why he broke up with Nicole
[00:12:33] Yes
[00:12:34] You know
[00:12:35] And then she won her Oscar the next year
[00:12:37] Yes
[00:12:38] She got what he so wanted
[00:12:39] It's true
[00:12:40] Let's remember that
[00:12:41] She slapped on that nose
[00:12:43] Yep
[00:12:44] Let's remember that a lot of the
[00:12:46] Sort of promotional campaign
[00:12:48] And the buzz for this movie
[00:12:49] Was centered around Cruise and Cruise
[00:12:51] Who at the time of the release
[00:12:53] Of this film were
[00:12:54] Quote
[00:12:55] Dating
[00:12:56] And quote
[00:12:57] We are throwing love
[00:12:59] Sorry, I'm going to
[00:13:00] Not do the Penelope Cruise plays
[00:13:02] Please do the Penelope Cruise
[00:13:03] Oh, Tom Cruise
[00:13:05] Okay
[00:13:06] But that was the big thing
[00:13:07] That they were like
[00:13:08] Cruise and Cruise
[00:13:09] He fell in love with this beautiful
[00:13:10] Foreign Temptress
[00:13:11] On the set of his new movie
[00:13:12] Watch the sparks fly
[00:13:13] You'll watch them fall in love on camera
[00:13:15] Yeah, yeah, they're going to really
[00:13:16] And look
[00:13:17] We're making a lot of jokes
[00:13:19] Tom Cruise's expense already
[00:13:20] And that is well deserved
[00:13:21] But we should note
[00:13:22] That in Jerry McGuire
[00:13:23] He has great chemistry with nasal
[00:13:25] Like he can have chemistry
[00:13:26] With women
[00:13:27] Oh, for sure
[00:13:28] For sure
[00:13:29] And it is
[00:13:30] The lack of chemistry
[00:13:32] Between him and Penelope Cruise
[00:13:33] In this movie is so powerful
[00:13:34] It's like there's a third character
[00:13:35] Like keeping them apart
[00:13:36] Well, can I throw out a theory?
[00:13:37] It's crazy
[00:13:38] Can I throw out a theory?
[00:13:39] And with Cameron Diaz
[00:13:40] In my opinion
[00:13:41] But go ahead
[00:13:42] Of course he can have chemistry
[00:13:43] With the woman
[00:13:44] Because he's a very good actor
[00:13:45] Right?
[00:13:46] Yeah
[00:13:47] He is skilled at acting out
[00:13:48] Scenarios that are not connected
[00:13:49] To how he actually feels
[00:13:50] In the present moment
[00:13:51] We're going to get it
[00:13:52] Sude
[00:13:53] I'm speaking in vague terms
[00:13:54] Here, right?
[00:13:55] Yeah
[00:13:56] But I think the key to that
[00:13:57] Is having the relationship
[00:13:58] Be developed from
[00:13:59] An acting standpoint
[00:14:01] To have like real meat to it
[00:14:02] Sure
[00:14:03] To both characters
[00:14:04] To have an actor
[00:14:05] Who's going to like, you know
[00:14:06] Volley back the ball to him
[00:14:07] Emily Blunt in Edge of Tomorrow
[00:14:09] Exactly
[00:14:10] 100%
[00:14:11] What a great movie that is
[00:14:12] I think this movie is sort of
[00:14:13] Like, you know
[00:14:15] Penelope Cruise who became
[00:14:16] An amazing actress, right?
[00:14:17] Was an incredible actress
[00:14:18] In her own language
[00:14:21] Then for about ten years
[00:14:22] Didn't really work in American
[00:14:23] Films because she didn't
[00:14:24] Have the right sort of facility
[00:14:26] Five issues
[00:14:27] Yeah
[00:14:28] And then has now become
[00:14:30] An amazing bilingual actress, right?
[00:14:32] Oh, she has
[00:14:33] But like so just
[00:14:34] Before this
[00:14:36] She had obviously
[00:14:37] She'd been in movies like
[00:14:38] You know, Life Flash
[00:14:39] And All About My Mother
[00:14:40] And I'm Braylosa
[00:14:41] And I'm Braylosa
[00:14:42] All these Spanish films
[00:14:43] Did Captain Crowley's
[00:14:44] Mandolin come up before or after this?
[00:14:45] No, no, no
[00:14:46] She had done Woman on Top
[00:14:47] Which
[00:14:48] Was her breakout
[00:14:49] Try her
[00:14:50] No, but that was
[00:14:51] That made a big spot
[00:14:52] When it came out here
[00:14:53] People were like, here's
[00:14:54] The next big star
[00:14:55] It wasn't like a huge movie
[00:14:56] But I remember critics being
[00:14:57] Put her in a more American movie
[00:14:58] It was a huge flop
[00:14:59] That was thrust on audiences
[00:15:01] But yes, it had that
[00:15:03] Vibe of like
[00:15:05] Here's like a big engineer
[00:15:06] It was an introduction movie
[00:15:08] Yeah
[00:15:09] And then All the Pretty Horses
[00:15:10] Right
[00:15:11] Yeah
[00:15:12] Yeah
[00:15:13] And then Captain Crowley
[00:15:14] And then Captain Crowley's
[00:15:15] Mandolin and Blow
[00:15:16] Came out in 2001
[00:15:17] So Captain Crowley and
[00:15:18] All the Pretty Horses
[00:15:19] This is her third
[00:15:20] 2001 movie after Blow
[00:15:22] And Captain Crowley's Mandolin
[00:15:23] Which like Blow was kind of
[00:15:25] A semi-bomb
[00:15:26] But also was like a drug dealer movie
[00:15:28] People thought it was cruel
[00:15:29] Like it's on the Parker brand
[00:15:31] No, it made like
[00:15:32] 50 million bucks
[00:15:33] Captain Crowley was a train wreck
[00:15:34] It was an disaster
[00:15:35] And All the Pretty Horses was like
[00:15:36] And that had been the year before
[00:15:38] But that was one of those things
[00:15:39] Where it was supposed to be an Oscar movie
[00:15:40] And then Harvey cut it
[00:15:41] She had a four hour cut
[00:15:42] And they released an hour and a half
[00:15:43] And they changed the music
[00:15:44] Imagine the four hour cut of that movie
[00:15:46] I don't know
[00:15:47] Well apparently it's good
[00:15:48] I heard it
[00:15:49] They say it's really good
[00:15:50] Damon says it's good
[00:15:51] Captain Crowley also was
[00:15:52] John Madden's follow up to
[00:15:53] Shakespeare in Love, I believe
[00:15:54] Which so that had like a big stand
[00:15:56] And it was based on
[00:15:57] Two movies with guys coming right off of
[00:15:58] Having won their Oscars
[00:15:59] But I mean
[00:16:00] And she's in two movies
[00:16:01] John Madden, did I say
[00:16:02] Guy Madden?
[00:16:03] No you said John Madden
[00:16:04] Yeah I would have got Madden
[00:16:05] But that is a full player guy
[00:16:07] Yeah yeah yeah exactly
[00:16:09] That is crazy that she does like
[00:16:11] The Crow after like
[00:16:12] McGuire slash almost famous
[00:16:14] She does the Madden after
[00:16:15] Shakespeare in Love
[00:16:16] Sure
[00:16:17] She does the Thornton after
[00:16:18] Slingblade
[00:16:19] Yeah yeah no good
[00:16:20] It's the Naomi Watts
[00:16:21] Yeah right
[00:16:22] Where they're like
[00:16:23] We just gotta get you in stuff
[00:16:24] Don't worry we've got all this stuff going
[00:16:26] I mean Captain Crowley's Mandolin is a good
[00:16:28] Analog to Vinalo Skye
[00:16:30] Where it's like she has no chemistry with the star
[00:16:32] Yeah and the star is kind of
[00:16:34] The Crisps
[00:16:35] Yeah the star is kind of weird
[00:16:36] And it syncs the movie
[00:16:38] Now at least Tom Cruise is
[00:16:39] Ostensibly well cast in Vinalo Skye
[00:16:41] And it's like a hot shot handsome pants
[00:16:43] Whereas Nick Nicholas Cage was playing
[00:16:46] An Italian like Christ figure
[00:16:48] In Kevin
[00:16:49] Well here's the thing
[00:16:51] So like
[00:16:52] In German Guire those career arcs for both of them
[00:16:54] A Bella Bambina two o'clock
[00:16:57] I just did a better Italian accent
[00:16:59] The other thing is he is Italian
[00:17:01] That's what's so crazy about how bad he is in that film
[00:17:03] The other thing is, but I'll be cruise-spanish
[00:17:04] And she's playing a Greek island woman
[00:17:06] Yeah it's a nightmare
[00:17:08] Island woman
[00:17:09] It's set on a Greek island
[00:17:10] Offensive
[00:17:11] Please write in a campaign to your local senator
[00:17:13] To have David penalized for that comment
[00:17:18] The thing with German Guire
[00:17:20] Those two characters are so well written
[00:17:23] And their relationship is so unconventional
[00:17:25] And how it plays out
[00:17:26] As opposed to how most romantic dramedies play out
[00:17:29] Right?
[00:17:30] Very conventional
[00:17:31] They get married and then fall in love
[00:17:32] And all that sort of stuff
[00:17:33] There's like meat to play in every scene
[00:17:35] That isn't just acts like you have the most chemistry
[00:17:37] In the world
[00:17:38] Whereas Vinalo Skye
[00:17:39] Every scene just going
[00:17:40] Just makes sparks fucking pop up
[00:17:42] Yeah it really wants it to be
[00:17:44] Like a meat cute thing
[00:17:45] Where it's like instantly
[00:17:47] He's just like who's this
[00:17:48] But they're just sort of talking about mo's
[00:17:50] And it's all close-ups
[00:17:51] Yeah and works so hard to do it
[00:17:53] And I really feel like
[00:17:54] I don't know what between
[00:17:56] Almost famous which is sort of like
[00:17:58] On the cusp of that preciousness
[00:18:00] You know but doesn't
[00:18:01] I like that movie a lot
[00:18:03] But then it tips over into this
[00:18:05] And he never gets out of it again
[00:18:07] I think almost famous
[00:18:08] I mean almost famous is we should
[00:18:09] You know it's definitely a bridge
[00:18:10] Because yes it is more precious
[00:18:12] Than German Guire
[00:18:13] And it's more
[00:18:14] It's less realistic
[00:18:16] Right?
[00:18:17] Like that is a storybook type movie
[00:18:20] Whether or not you like it
[00:18:21] It's like a memory play
[00:18:22] People don't talk like normal people in it
[00:18:24] They say very grand things a lot
[00:18:26] Or like you know
[00:18:27] But that's serious things
[00:18:29] Poetic things
[00:18:30] Had grounding because it was his life
[00:18:32] It's his life and his memories
[00:18:33] And it's nice
[00:18:34] This is just like a marketing team
[00:18:37] Being like okay write something
[00:18:38] That makes it seem like
[00:18:39] Penelope Cruz is the most appealing
[00:18:40] Woman in the world
[00:18:41] Except don't write a character
[00:18:42] She has no character
[00:18:44] Like at all
[00:18:45] She don't know a thing about her
[00:18:46] She's like a horrible manic pixie dream girl
[00:18:48] Kind of type
[00:18:49] Before Elizabeth Town
[00:18:50] Now she plays a similar role
[00:18:52] I've seen Abrey
[00:18:53] Have either of you seen Abrey Lozoho?
[00:18:54] I have not
[00:18:55] She plays a similar role
[00:18:56] She's extremely charming
[00:18:58] And it totally works
[00:18:59] So you know it's not like
[00:19:01] And it's not like there's a lot more
[00:19:02] To the character there
[00:19:03] And can I kind of
[00:19:04] It is set in Spain though
[00:19:05] She's just like when it's spain's like that
[00:19:07] And here's the other thing
[00:19:09] Yeah exactly she did
[00:19:11] The other thing is
[00:19:12] Just put a floppy half on her
[00:19:13] That's all you need to do
[00:19:15] Foreign actors
[00:19:16] You know learning to
[00:19:18] Act in English
[00:19:20] Yeah sure she's still pretty new to English
[00:19:21] As they're still learning that language
[00:19:22] It doesn't just come down to like
[00:19:24] Oh the accent is heavy
[00:19:25] You can't understand what they're saying
[00:19:26] They don't know the words as well
[00:19:27] Whatever it is
[00:19:28] I think the bigger element with
[00:19:29] Foreign actors before they get
[00:19:31] Comfortable and fluent with English
[00:19:33] In American films
[00:19:34] Is that even if you're saying
[00:19:35] The right thing
[00:19:36] The right way
[00:19:37] You're so freaked out about it
[00:19:39] Yeah
[00:19:40] That like especially if you want
[00:19:41] To be like a movie star
[00:19:42] The key to that is having a certain sort of
[00:19:44] Ease and relaxness on screen
[00:19:47] Especially a film like this
[00:19:48] That's all about personality
[00:19:49] And you watch it in the whole time
[00:19:51] You're kind of nervous for her
[00:19:52] Cause you're like
[00:19:53] You can tell how much she's struggling
[00:19:54] Leo's nervous cause Tom Cruise
[00:19:55] Won't stop fucking staring at her
[00:19:56] It's all these like
[00:19:57] Leave her alone Tom
[00:19:58] And then she's got these weird
[00:19:59] Cameron Crow lines
[00:20:00] And you know that she doesn't have
[00:20:01] Like complete facility with the
[00:20:02] Words she's saying
[00:20:03] I mean like imagine trying to learn
[00:20:04] Cameron Crow dialogues
[00:20:05] Sanitically
[00:20:06] Right
[00:20:07] Like that's really hard to do
[00:20:08] Right
[00:20:09] Like she's fine in this movie
[00:20:10] But it's just such a struggle for her
[00:20:11] Like you feel bad watching her
[00:20:12] I think she has some of the most
[00:20:14] Powerful moments in the movies
[00:20:15] Just because she's such an effective
[00:20:17] Screen presence no matter what
[00:20:18] I think so too
[00:20:19] Yeah
[00:20:20] But like as a character
[00:20:21] And as she functions in the rest
[00:20:22] Of the movie it's like kind of a disaster
[00:20:23] She has like silent physical moments
[00:20:24] In this film that are incredible
[00:20:25] Really really good
[00:20:26] Remarkable
[00:20:27] Well we'll get to it
[00:20:28] But when she walks into the
[00:20:29] Moral service towards the very end
[00:20:30] It's such a beautiful
[00:20:31] Yeah
[00:20:32] She's amazing with that
[00:20:33] When she has to talk
[00:20:34] You see her getting a little
[00:20:35] In her head
[00:20:36] Let's get back to Richard's
[00:20:37] Storytime cause I like that
[00:20:38] Yeah
[00:20:39] Like the story of 2001
[00:20:40] Yeah
[00:20:41] Which starts with yeah
[00:20:42] Crews and Kidman Breakup
[00:20:43] And it was shocking
[00:20:44] Yeah
[00:20:45] Kind of right
[00:20:46] Yeah
[00:20:47] Well because they'd been together
[00:20:48] For like a decade at that point
[00:20:49] Almost ten
[00:20:50] Yeah ten years practically
[00:20:51] Cause Days of Thunder is eighty nine
[00:20:52] You know and they married
[00:20:53] Pretty soon after that
[00:20:54] Right like far and away
[00:20:55] It was like ninety one
[00:20:56] Ninety one and ninety two
[00:20:57] This is coming pretty shortly
[00:20:58] After the movie they made
[00:20:59] About their sex life
[00:21:00] Sure
[00:21:01] It's Stanley Cooper
[00:21:02] Exactly
[00:21:03] Exactly
[00:21:04] They've gone through the ringer
[00:21:05] With old Stanley
[00:21:06] This very intense kind of
[00:21:07] Husband and wife thing to do
[00:21:08] And there's all these rumors like
[00:21:09] Oh they didn't have any chemistry on screen
[00:21:11] Like that had been floating around
[00:21:12] Right so I don't
[00:21:13] I don't remember if it was like
[00:21:14] That much of a surprise
[00:21:16] Maybe it felt more inevitable
[00:21:17] Than some other celebrity
[00:21:18] Big celebrity breakups
[00:21:19] But like
[00:21:21] He was such a big star at that point
[00:21:23] Such a big star
[00:21:24] And she was kind of on her way
[00:21:25] Like that would you know
[00:21:26] She was about to be on her way
[00:21:27] After like a long time of kind
[00:21:29] Of you know
[00:21:30] Yeah
[00:21:31] Half getting there and then
[00:21:32] Kind of false stars
[00:21:33] I would say after the two thousand
[00:21:34] After the others and Milan Roush
[00:21:35] She just went
[00:21:36] She's there
[00:21:37] And she becomes twenty million dollars
[00:21:38] She becomes a regular Oscar player
[00:21:39] And that's how her movies are viewed
[00:21:41] And she got to show that
[00:21:42] She has really cool weird taste too
[00:21:43] Like she just became one of the more
[00:21:45] Interesting movie stars out there
[00:21:46] I think
[00:21:47] Not always successful
[00:21:48] No fur
[00:21:49] But Tom Cruise like you know
[00:21:51] He was like
[00:21:52] Oh fur
[00:21:53] Oh or birth
[00:21:54] Birth
[00:21:55] I love birth
[00:21:56] All the one word
[00:21:57] Fur is kind of like
[00:21:58] You wish fur was birth
[00:21:59] You're like
[00:22:00] Wish fur had a little more birth than it
[00:22:01] You know
[00:22:02] I wish my birth had a little more
[00:22:03] Fur in it
[00:22:04] You know
[00:22:05] I don't act
[00:22:06] Honestly don't act
[00:22:07] I can't
[00:22:08] I can't even begin to imagine
[00:22:09] Come on
[00:22:10] Come on
[00:22:11] Anyway
[00:22:12] I don't know
[00:22:13] I just think it comes at an
[00:22:14] Interesting time
[00:22:15] It does
[00:22:16] But I'm curious when
[00:22:17] You guys first saw this
[00:22:18] Because I know
[00:22:19] I have a very specific kind of
[00:22:20] Time and place memory
[00:22:21] Of seeing this movie
[00:22:22] Right
[00:22:23] Because I had just started college
[00:22:24] I was a freshman at a school
[00:22:26] I really didn't want to go to
[00:22:27] Because I was the artsy kid
[00:22:29] Who liked smoke cigarettes
[00:22:30] And like
[00:22:31] When it was in therapy
[00:22:32] And I went to a very kind of
[00:22:33] Preppy kind of
[00:22:34] A Catholic school
[00:22:35] A Catholic
[00:22:36] A Abercrombie kind of school
[00:22:37] Right
[00:22:38] And so a bunch of us
[00:22:39] Like a week before we got out
[00:22:40] For Christmas break
[00:22:41] Our first ever
[00:22:42] Went to go see this movie
[00:22:43] At the theater closest to the
[00:22:44] Campus
[00:22:45] And everyone I went with
[00:22:46] Was like that was so stupid
[00:22:47] I hated that was boring
[00:22:48] What was that about
[00:22:49] And kind of be the contrarian
[00:22:50] To distinguish myself
[00:22:51] Right
[00:22:52] I was like no
[00:22:53] It's brilliant
[00:22:54] I was convinced of it
[00:22:55] And I think that was largely
[00:22:56] Because of basically
[00:22:57] The last 15 minutes of the movie
[00:22:58] Yes
[00:22:59] Which are
[00:23:00] The most arresting
[00:23:01] Yeah
[00:23:02] But anyway I just had
[00:23:03] This really funny relationship
[00:23:04] And I was like
[00:23:05] I was like
[00:23:06] I think my friends were right
[00:23:07] That is a phenomenon
[00:23:08] That I think like
[00:23:09] I would imagine
[00:23:10] A lot of our listeners
[00:23:11] Would relate to
[00:23:12] When you're like younger
[00:23:14] Yeah
[00:23:15] And you go see
[00:23:16] Suddenly your tastes are
[00:23:17] Beginning to diverge
[00:23:18] Perhaps a little bit
[00:23:19] But even this bigger thing
[00:23:20] You just conjured
[00:23:21] A very specific kind of
[00:23:22] Feeling in me
[00:23:23] Which is
[00:23:24] When you're younger
[00:23:25] And you go see movies
[00:23:26] And at this point
[00:23:27] Movies are just a social
[00:23:28] Activity still
[00:23:29] Right
[00:23:30] Yeah
[00:23:31] Just go see a movie
[00:23:32] I went with like
[00:23:33] Bill Howard Spitz
[00:23:34] Right
[00:23:35] We like to
[00:23:36] Film my soul with my friends
[00:23:37] At a movie theater
[00:23:38] We'll just go see that
[00:23:39] Right
[00:23:40] And then when everyone else
[00:23:41] Is like that's dumb, that's stupid
[00:23:42] You as someone who has
[00:23:44] A sort of more serious
[00:23:45] Film mind
[00:23:46] Whether or not you think
[00:23:47] The movie is great
[00:23:48] Get defensive
[00:23:49] To protect the fact
[00:23:50] That the movie is at least
[00:23:51] Trying something
[00:23:52] Right
[00:23:53] Yes
[00:23:54] It's not sweet home Alabama
[00:23:55] Like I can tell this movie
[00:23:56] Is attempting to do something
[00:23:57] So if you're dismissing it as
[00:23:58] Oh the movie's fucking stupid
[00:24:00] Right I didn't get it
[00:24:01] It was dumb
[00:24:02] It would be like
[00:24:03] I get it
[00:24:04] Right
[00:24:05] Even if you don't love it
[00:24:06] You get what they're trying to do
[00:24:07] Is there a film you're thinking of
[00:24:08] Where you felt this contrarian
[00:24:09] Sort of
[00:24:10] Yes
[00:24:11] I can tell you exactly
[00:24:12] What film
[00:24:13] I wasn't bringing this up
[00:24:14] Because I was thinking of one
[00:24:15] Is it Captain Correlli's Mandolin
[00:24:16] Yes
[00:24:17] No the one that was
[00:24:18] The strongest example
[00:24:19] You guys didn't get it
[00:24:20] It was all about the mandolin
[00:24:21] The one that was the strongest
[00:24:22] Example of this
[00:24:23] In my childhood
[00:24:24] Where I drew the line
[00:24:25] Or my adolescence
[00:24:26] Or whatever
[00:24:27] Drew the line was
[00:24:28] Angley's Hulk
[00:24:29] Oh that's a good one
[00:24:30] I fucking went to bat
[00:24:31] I was like it's fucking stupid
[00:24:32] It's not funny
[00:24:33] Right
[00:24:34] I remember that being complaint
[00:24:35] Was that it wasn't funny enough
[00:24:36] And you probably cited
[00:24:37] That shot
[00:24:38] That silent shot of him falling
[00:24:39] In the clouds
[00:24:40] In the desert
[00:24:41] Yes 100%
[00:24:42] I was kind of the one I went to
[00:24:43] I still love that movie
[00:24:44] Yeah
[00:24:45] But I remember that being
[00:24:46] A big line in the sand moment
[00:24:47] Where it's like
[00:24:48] We'll talk about the Hulk
[00:24:49] You fuckers don't get it
[00:24:50] We will talk about the Hulk
[00:24:51] On a day
[00:24:52] The Hulk is weird in 2003
[00:24:53] But after 13 years
[00:24:54] Of more Marvel movies
[00:24:55] It's really weird
[00:24:56] Like you watch that now
[00:24:57] After you watch any
[00:24:58] Like very cookie cutter
[00:24:59] Marvel Marvel movie
[00:25:00] And you're just like
[00:25:01] Who let this happen
[00:25:02] We will never
[00:25:03] Who wrote the check
[00:25:04] Universal pictures
[00:25:05] Universal pictures
[00:25:06] We will never see that
[00:25:08] Esoteric
[00:25:09] A superhero film ever again
[00:25:11] That will never happen ever again
[00:25:13] David what are your memories
[00:25:14] Of seeing a vanilla skydive
[00:25:16] I had seen
[00:25:17] Abrilose O'Hurse
[00:25:18] Congratulations
[00:25:19] On the BBC
[00:25:22] I believe
[00:25:23] Or on channel 4
[00:25:24] Probably actually
[00:25:25] Which is the slightly artier
[00:25:26] Network in the UK
[00:25:28] So I'd seen that movie
[00:25:30] So
[00:25:31] And I liked it
[00:25:32] Now I've rewatched it
[00:25:34] It's okay
[00:25:35] It's not quite
[00:25:36] When I was a teenager
[00:25:37] I thought it was brilliant
[00:25:38] Because you know it was in
[00:25:39] A different language
[00:25:40] And like it was about
[00:25:41] Lucid dreaming
[00:25:42] Right
[00:25:43] And it has Eduardo Noriega
[00:25:44] And Penelope Cruz
[00:25:45] And nobody else
[00:25:47] You know famous but
[00:25:48] So I was
[00:25:49] What I'm saying is
[00:25:50] Like I went into vanilla sky
[00:25:51] And I knew what it was
[00:25:52] Going to be about
[00:25:53] Which I feel like
[00:25:54] Most people were not like
[00:25:55] Sure
[00:25:56] Sure
[00:25:57] And I don't know
[00:25:58] Like you know blowjob lady
[00:25:59] Is going to crash a car
[00:26:00] And then his face will be scarred
[00:26:01] Then he'll have a lucid dream
[00:26:02] And then he'll scream tech support
[00:26:03] So we've got
[00:26:04] Noah Taylor will ride an elevator
[00:26:05] Like nobody saw this coming
[00:26:06] We've got blowjob lady
[00:26:07] And island woman from David
[00:26:08] So far today
[00:26:09] By the way
[00:26:11] It's just
[00:26:12] The way
[00:26:13] The way this movie treats Cameron Diaz
[00:26:15] For having sex with a man
[00:26:18] Is a little bonkers
[00:26:20] I'm just going to say
[00:26:21] But David she swalled
[00:26:22] Has come at meant something
[00:26:23] Four times
[00:26:24] When you have sex with a person
[00:26:25] You're making a promise to them
[00:26:26] Whether you know it or not
[00:26:27] What does it say that I relate to her
[00:26:29] Most of any character in this movie
[00:26:30] Well I mean yeah
[00:26:31] We have
[00:26:32] I'm also going through a breakup
[00:26:33] Plus 48 hours
[00:26:34] But I was watching this
[00:26:35] And I was like yeah
[00:26:36] Yeah say it
[00:26:37] You don't own a muscle car
[00:26:38] Do you have a grip
[00:26:39] I do
[00:26:40] Why does he get in the car
[00:26:41] Get in your keys
[00:26:42] By the way
[00:26:43] By the way
[00:26:44] Cameron Diaz is going to pick me up
[00:26:45] After we're done recording
[00:26:46] I'm in a free fall
[00:26:47] Don't go driving down
[00:26:48] Like riverside drive
[00:26:50] Anyway
[00:26:51] So the film is actually
[00:26:52] Pretty much exactly the same
[00:26:53] As Abre Lozo host
[00:26:54] Except for
[00:26:55] The main character of that movie
[00:26:57] Is not a magazine
[00:26:59] Magnate
[00:27:00] Who's friends with Steven Spielberg
[00:27:01] He's just some guy
[00:27:02] That's the stuff
[00:27:03] Yeah he's like a successful man
[00:27:05] That's the flashy stuff
[00:27:06] That Cruz and Crow had
[00:27:08] Cruz and Crow are playing around
[00:27:09] With this like
[00:27:10] No let's make this
[00:27:11] Like really big
[00:27:12] Like his lifestyle
[00:27:13] And I think let's make this
[00:27:14] Kind of decidedly American
[00:27:15] I think that was another aspect of it
[00:27:17] So I went to see the film
[00:27:19] I was such a Tom Cruise fan
[00:27:21] Loved Tom Cruise
[00:27:22] And I liked Cameron Crow
[00:27:24] I mean I loved Jeremy Guire
[00:27:25] And I was fine with almost famous
[00:27:27] So I was like
[00:27:28] I was into the movie
[00:27:29] And I was a dedicated
[00:27:30] Empire magazine reader
[00:27:32] Oh okay
[00:27:33] An empire had just been hyping it
[00:27:35] For so because empire was
[00:27:36] They were real Cameron Crow fans
[00:27:38] I remember
[00:27:39] And like they had just been
[00:27:40] Hyping it for so long
[00:27:41] It's like his mystery project
[00:27:42] Vanilla Sky
[00:27:43] Like ooh
[00:27:44] Penelope Cruz is going to be
[00:27:45] Like the next super star
[00:27:46] You know
[00:27:47] So I was just really hyped up
[00:27:48] For it
[00:27:49] It had a lot of elements
[00:27:50] Yeah to be excited about
[00:27:51] Yeah and Cameron Diaz
[00:27:53] Cameron Diaz was a big
[00:27:54] I was like a big being John
[00:27:55] Malkovich fan
[00:27:56] Once again this was post Shrek
[00:27:57] I mean she was huge
[00:27:58] And she hadn't yet descended
[00:27:59] Into the you know
[00:28:00] Just shitty romantic comedy
[00:28:01] She was doing an interesting
[00:28:02] She hadn't done Trek 3 yet
[00:28:03] Which was like the
[00:28:04] She was like consecutive
[00:28:06] Golden Globe nominee
[00:28:08] You know like she was
[00:28:09] An ingenue on the ride
[00:28:10] And she was nominated for this
[00:28:11] And she also got a SAG award
[00:28:12] For this
[00:28:13] She'd like
[00:28:14] Yeah but I'm saying people
[00:28:15] Thought she was going to get
[00:28:16] An Oscar nomination
[00:28:17] Yeah yeah and I still
[00:28:18] Condend that she should have
[00:28:19] Gotten the Oscar nomination
[00:28:20] That Catherine Keener got
[00:28:21] For Malkovich
[00:28:22] I think they both should have
[00:28:23] Been nominated for
[00:28:24] Oh I love Keener
[00:28:25] But yeah but fair enough
[00:28:27] Diaz is amazing
[00:28:28] In being John Malkovich
[00:28:29] I also would have nominated her
[00:28:30] For
[00:28:31] There's something about Mary
[00:28:32] Which is a
[00:28:33] Deceptively difficult performance
[00:28:34] I agree
[00:28:36] I also
[00:28:37] Would have nominated her
[00:28:38] For the Mask
[00:28:40] I don't know
[00:28:41] Feeling Minnesota
[00:28:42] I have seen Feeling Minnesota
[00:28:43] She's alright in that
[00:28:45] The Last Supper
[00:28:46] I saw that movie
[00:28:47] Probably about 20 times
[00:28:48] That's a good poll right
[00:28:49] Yeah that was a good one
[00:28:50] Courtney B. Vance
[00:28:51] Oh the great Courtney B. Vance
[00:28:52] Annabeth Gish
[00:28:53] CBV
[00:28:54] Can I tell you guys
[00:28:55] My experience of seeing this film
[00:28:56] Ben
[00:28:57] Hey guys
[00:28:58] Ben you can say anything
[00:29:00] Oh thank you
[00:29:01] Dot dot dot
[00:29:03] So I saw this at a drive through
[00:29:06] That's crazy
[00:29:07] The year was 57
[00:29:09] Somehow that's the least
[00:29:10] Surprising thing in the world
[00:29:12] And I was sitting in the back seat
[00:29:14] And I made out with the girl
[00:29:17] Wait so you were sitting
[00:29:18] In the back seat
[00:29:19] Were people sitting in the front seat
[00:29:21] Yeah David it's a car
[00:29:22] Who was sitting in the front seat
[00:29:24] Alright
[00:29:25] Your parents
[00:29:26] Maybe you moved to the back seat
[00:29:27] To make out is what I meant
[00:29:28] Oh no no no
[00:29:29] I wasn't
[00:29:30] I didn't have a car
[00:29:32] I was with my friend
[00:29:33] I don't know whose car it was
[00:29:34] So you had one friend in the front seat
[00:29:37] Yeah just sitting
[00:29:38] Stone face
[00:29:39] Gripping the wheel at 10 and 2
[00:29:40] Like we sat in the back
[00:29:41] Watching vanilla sky
[00:29:42] While you sat in the back
[00:29:43] And made out
[00:29:44] Exactly that's how it went down
[00:29:45] No he had a girl too
[00:29:47] You were on a double date
[00:29:48] Okay
[00:29:49] So you must have absorbed very little
[00:29:51] Of this film making out
[00:29:52] In the back seat of a car
[00:29:54] And a drive
[00:29:55] No I did not pay attention
[00:29:56] To what happened at all
[00:29:58] Cause if the two people in the front
[00:29:59] Were making out as well
[00:30:00] Anytime they would lean in to make out
[00:30:01] You wouldn't have been able
[00:30:02] To see the movie right
[00:30:03] Yeah no it's just a real kiss
[00:30:05] Fest there
[00:30:07] Are you allowed to say come
[00:30:08] At a drive in
[00:30:09] I mean
[00:30:10] Did they plan that out
[00:30:12] They turn it off for a second
[00:30:14] They set off an air horn
[00:30:16] And then a guy comes out with a flag
[00:30:17] So you can't read her lips
[00:30:18] Waves it in front of the screen
[00:30:21] Oh my god
[00:30:22] Yeah this movie was
[00:30:23] So I'd seen
[00:30:24] So I knew the general premise
[00:30:25] But this movie was a little
[00:30:26] Shockingly
[00:30:28] I was only 15
[00:30:29] I wasn't seeing like
[00:30:30] A lot of our rated
[00:30:31] Quote-unquote movies yet
[00:30:33] So yeah this was a little
[00:30:34] Shockingly sexual
[00:30:35] In dialogue
[00:30:36] Pretty blunt in how it
[00:30:37] Discusses that
[00:30:39] For a section of the movie
[00:30:41] Before it becomes kind of
[00:30:42] More gooey and sort of like
[00:30:44] Dreamy and
[00:30:45] Dreamy and
[00:30:46] Yeah right in the first
[00:30:47] The first act
[00:30:48] But even that scene where
[00:30:49] He's talking about the mole
[00:30:50] On Penelope Cruz's breast
[00:30:52] Is like
[00:30:53] Different than what you'd see
[00:30:54] In most Hollywood films I'd say
[00:30:57] Where it's like two people
[00:30:58] Naked in a bed together
[00:31:00] And it's not like
[00:31:01] Quick cut, gauzy like
[00:31:02] Thrusting
[00:31:03] Sure
[00:31:04] It's them just sort of
[00:31:05] Sitting and naked
[00:31:06] And like talking
[00:31:07] There is some
[00:31:08] It reminds me of
[00:31:09] Ray Fiennes and
[00:31:10] Kristen Stutt
[00:31:11] Got Thomas when he's like
[00:31:12] I claim this
[00:31:13] You know part of her neck
[00:31:14] Or whatever
[00:31:15] You know it's that same scene
[00:31:16] And they're doing it in
[00:31:17] Notting Hill but there's no boobs
[00:31:19] But they do have
[00:31:20] Yeah Hugh Grant's really flat
[00:31:21] Justin
[00:31:22] Then no boobs in that
[00:31:23] No it's Reese E. Fonze
[00:31:24] Uh
[00:31:25] What's the two of them
[00:31:26] Well I probably
[00:31:27] In Abraela Soho she is
[00:31:28] I remember this
[00:31:29] The same scene she is
[00:31:30] Straddling him
[00:31:32] She's on top
[00:31:33] And has her
[00:31:34] She's a woman on top
[00:31:35] She's a woman on top
[00:31:36] And has her arms up
[00:31:37] And he mimes putting
[00:31:38] A coin in her armpit
[00:31:39] And then she like
[00:31:40] Starts moving
[00:31:41] Like she freezes
[00:31:42] And then she starts moving again
[00:31:43] Very strange
[00:31:44] I love that
[00:31:45] And that is
[00:31:46] It's so odd that it is
[00:31:47] To this day impressed upon me
[00:31:48] Yeah
[00:31:49] Weird little scene
[00:31:50] But it's like
[00:31:51] The movie's beats are exactly
[00:31:52] The same down to
[00:31:53] The you know crucial moment
[00:31:55] Of him like lying in the gut
[00:31:56] Okay
[00:31:57] His face looks way worse
[00:31:58] In the Spanish movie
[00:32:00] Interesting
[00:32:01] Oh yeah well they couldn't
[00:32:02] Really
[00:32:03] Yeah they couldn't fuck
[00:32:04] Him up beyond recognition
[00:32:05] But here's what I like
[00:32:06] About this movie
[00:32:07] It's not the only thing
[00:32:08] I like about this movie
[00:32:09] It's something I like about
[00:32:10] This movie
[00:32:11] Yes they still make
[00:32:12] It genuinely looks terrible in it
[00:32:13] Yeah
[00:32:14] Like if you saw him in the street
[00:32:15] You would be appalled
[00:32:16] I think he looks terrible
[00:32:17] But also he does
[00:32:18] Such a good performance
[00:32:19] Of playing a kind of repulsive
[00:32:20] Person
[00:32:21] Yes
[00:32:22] Once he gets to that point
[00:32:23] That he really sells the makeup
[00:32:24] I just watching it even today
[00:32:26] I was like surprised
[00:32:27] Anytime they cut to the face
[00:32:28] Going like
[00:32:29] Oh you didn't like
[00:32:30] Do the Gerard Butler
[00:32:31] Phantom of the Opera thing
[00:32:32] Where it's like
[00:32:33] Okay there's a four inch
[00:32:34] Radius that's shitty
[00:32:35] Right
[00:32:36] But like he's really playing
[00:32:37] Unlikeable
[00:32:38] And the face is genuinely
[00:32:40] Upsetting
[00:32:41] To look at
[00:32:42] So the first time I saw this movie
[00:32:44] Was
[00:32:45] Two years ago
[00:32:46] Whoa
[00:32:47] Completely missed it
[00:32:48] At the time
[00:32:49] You were pretty young
[00:32:50] Probably
[00:32:51] Probably like 13 years old
[00:32:52] But here's the thing
[00:32:53] I really didn't like Tom Cruise
[00:32:54] At the time
[00:32:55] Right
[00:32:56] You were a dick about Tom Cruise
[00:32:57] We talked about it
[00:32:58] I was a dick about Tom Cruise
[00:32:59] For a long time
[00:33:00] So I just think
[00:33:01] I had like
[00:33:02] No interest
[00:33:03] And I was a Cameron Crow fan
[00:33:04] And when the reviews came out
[00:33:05] And they were bad
[00:33:06] I was like
[00:33:07] I don't want to see a bad Tom Cruise
[00:33:08] Movie
[00:33:09] The first few years
[00:33:10] Just kind of
[00:33:11] Like
[00:33:12] Kept the narrative
[00:33:13] Of like
[00:33:14] Oh that one sucks
[00:33:15] People hate that one
[00:33:16] And then
[00:33:17] Every once in a while
[00:33:18] I'd hear someone be like
[00:33:19] I actually think it's really good
[00:33:20] I actually think it's really interesting
[00:33:21] So I watched it
[00:33:22] Like two years ago
[00:33:23] When I was
[00:33:24] Stuck in a house
[00:33:25] With my family
[00:33:26] For the holidays
[00:33:27] Was just like
[00:33:28] Let me just Netflix
[00:33:29] A bunch of stuff
[00:33:30] That I wouldn't watch
[00:33:31] Most times
[00:33:32] Like movies on there
[00:33:33] That I kind of
[00:33:34] Mean to see
[00:33:35] But I don't think
[00:33:36] You're very good
[00:33:37] Right
[00:33:38] seen it. I will say this, probably the number one worst movie to see right after being dumped.
[00:33:44] I mean there's a lot of bad movies to see right after being dumped, but sure, it's not
[00:33:48] a good one. The lobster for example. Don't go see it in theaters.
[00:33:51] I think I would find the lobster more cathartic in my current state. Here's my thesis for
[00:33:55] why this is a terrible movie to see after being dumped, right? It's the loneliest movie
[00:34:02] ever made. Yeah, it's actually because I actually watched it yesterday or the day
[00:34:06] and it's really depressing and I was really bummed out after watching it.
[00:34:09] It's a film about loneliness. Yes, it is, an isolation.
[00:34:13] And it's a guy who cannot get over one moment he had with someone that was so great that
[00:34:19] he'd rather go into a coma than live again. He'd rather stay to his face and freeze his
[00:34:25] body like an ice cube. Because he can't get over the time he was happy. Anyway, yeah,
[00:34:31] this is when he did a number on me. But here's Ben cackling in the background,
[00:34:39] like some Jason Lee driving off. Yeah, Ben is the Jason Lee. Yeah, Ben is the Jason Lee.
[00:34:44] I'm Penelope, you're Cameron Diaz, you're Tommy C. I was going to say Richard's Kurt Russell.
[00:34:50] Yeah, yeah, yeah, because he's got the Atticus Finch bosses.
[00:34:54] And also like I remember the first time I watched this movie being like Kurt Russell
[00:34:57] in this because I think he wasn't in the marketing at all. Right? Yeah,
[00:35:00] it's kind of a song called Tom Cruise was in the marketing.
[00:35:03] That's the point. The trailer was just like Tom Cruise, Cameron Diaz, Penelope Cruise.
[00:35:08] And we've got two guys who fucks two great ladies.
[00:35:10] In England, it's Timothy Spalls on all the posters, right?
[00:35:13] It was a Spall picture. Look, sex, friendship, death, Spall.
[00:35:17] Yeah, yeah. Me and Richard for two years now have had a running joke about the film
[00:35:22] Mr. Turner. Oh, you remember last year when I gave him the putters and murmurs?
[00:35:28] It's a war. Or Ian Hall, no, it was Ian McKellen got the second annual Timothy Spall award for
[00:35:36] putters and murmurs. Have you ever actually seen Mr. Turner? I forget.
[00:35:40] I was on my top 10 of the year list. I remember when I first described Victoria scene.
[00:35:44] I saw the day before I wrote the list. Right. Yeah, where he grabs the boob.
[00:35:49] There's that. The scene where Queen Victoria just wanders into a room of art and looks at his
[00:35:57] painting and goes, oh, Turner. Yes. I love Mr. Turner. Can I say my favorite thing about Timothy Spall?
[00:36:06] I saw this interview with him when- He's playing Christopher Hitchens in this movie, right?
[00:36:10] I saw this movie and I was like, Timothy Spall, Christopher Hitchens,
[00:36:14] 10 years ago. Let's make that happen. In almost every movie he's playing.
[00:36:18] Well, not in chance. No. Well, no. Which he's wonderful. He's so good.
[00:36:24] I saw this interview with him when Mr. Turner was coming out and they were talking about how
[00:36:29] people thought he might get an Oscar and he had won Best Actor, Ken and all this sort of stuff.
[00:36:34] They were like, is that crazy for you? And he's like, yeah, I'm just like-
[00:36:38] I'm not going to try to do the accent. He was like, I'm such a blue collar guy.
[00:36:42] I'm like from working class. We don't think things like this can happen to us.
[00:36:45] He goes, I remember when they read off my name and they said, and the award goes to
[00:36:49] Timothy Spall. And I said, that's my name. And I went, wow, you're so blue collar
[00:36:53] that you can't even say your own name correctly. He pronounces it Timothy.
[00:36:57] Timothy Spall. Timothy Spall. Timothy Spall.
[00:37:00] Timothy. Spall. He's great. He's great. I love Timothy Spall.
[00:37:04] And any movie that has Timothy Spall and Noah Taylor in it is really-
[00:37:09] Can we play this- Okay, and Tilda Swinton. Can we play this game quickly? Okay?
[00:37:12] The game is let's go around a circle until one of us can't name another cast member
[00:37:17] from Vanilla Sky because I just want to try listing how weird the collection of people
[00:37:20] are in this movie. Oh yeah, because there's some fun ones buried in there.
[00:37:23] Right? Okay, so Timothy Spall. Noah Taylor.
[00:37:27] Tilda Swinton. Tom Cruise. Michael Shannon. Jason Lee. Cameron Diaz. Ken Lung.
[00:37:34] Oh, shit. Do we say Kurt Russell, right? No, you know you got it. You got it.
[00:37:39] Yeah, I'll be Cruise. Johnny Galecki. Yes. Oh, Alicia Witt. Oh yeah, that's right.
[00:37:45] That's what I was going to take. Was Tilda Swinton said? Yeah. Fuck.
[00:37:50] We're basically done but you should definitely name the biggest cameo.
[00:37:53] Oh, Stephen Swinton. We said Timothy Spall, we said-
[00:37:58] I think we said everybody else. I don't know anyone else in this movie but
[00:38:01] it's quite a cast list. Yeah, so there's a party scene where Stephen Spielberg
[00:38:07] runs up Tom Cruise and goes, you son of a bitch, and is clearly playing Stephen Spielberg friend to
[00:38:12] Publishing Magnate. Publishing Magnate David Ames.
[00:38:16] So this is what I find interesting about this movie, okay? Having not seen the original because
[00:38:21] when I was fucking 11 or whatever, 10, I was going to day camp on the bus to camp every
[00:38:29] morning. This one kid was like, it's like that Spanish thriller, O brolas oyos or whatever.
[00:38:35] I don't speak Spanish but he would everyday equate everything in this movie and fucking brag about
[00:38:39] the fact that he'd seen some Spanish movie with boobs in it. And so when Vanilla Sky came out,
[00:38:43] that was like the other reason I didn't want to see it because I was like, that fucking
[00:38:45] movie, that kid you always talk about. Okay, so you were biased against Vanilla Sky?
[00:38:49] Right, and I still- You know, you were saying it's about loneliness or something.
[00:38:53] Well, so- Then we got sidetracked with Spall.
[00:38:55] When you were saying all the stuff that got added that isn't the original about him being
[00:38:58] a rich guy. And having daddy issues.
[00:39:02] All that sort of stuff. I read this interview with Cameron Crowe where he showed me the movie
[00:39:09] and he said, we should make this right now. Chris said that's a crow.
[00:39:13] And Crowe said like, I like the original story but if I was going to remake it,
[00:39:15] I was going to put my own spin on it. And I feel like more than most remakes,
[00:39:18] this is like a movie that whether or not you like it is an argument for how you can make
[00:39:23] an interesting remake. Which is like, what if you take the plot of a film and you filter it
[00:39:28] through all of your personal obsessions? You know? Like this is such a Cameron Crowe movie,
[00:39:34] but it's a causation of another thing. You're not something me.
[00:39:37] And that's a good or bad. I'm just saying this is like how you wish more people remade
[00:39:41] movies where it's like really put your own spin on it, right? Whether or not it's good,
[00:39:44] it's worth remaking. Right, then so many things that are just like shot for shot,
[00:39:48] you know? Just with a different cast. Cameron Crowe said the idea
[00:39:52] that and I think this was just something he had wanted to write about at some other point in time.
[00:39:56] Maybe he had a nascent screenplay idea and when Cruz came to him, he was like, oh,
[00:40:00] what if I threw this onto that? He said he was really obsessed with the quote that Elvis Presley
[00:40:06] had about feeling like the loneliest person in a room where everyone knows who you are.
[00:40:13] And like that's totally what this movie is about.
[00:40:16] It's like this sort of isolation, a guy who feels like just somehow deeply and transically
[00:40:21] lonely despite having everything at his disposal. Here's my problem with that.
[00:40:24] Yeah. You don't get that sense until his face has been smashed into a million pieces.
[00:40:29] You know? See, I even and once again, it might be the mental state I'm in right now,
[00:40:34] but the first like 40 minutes of this movie where it's like Tom Cruise killing it,
[00:40:38] I like watch it and go like this is so lonely. You know, I don't disagree with you. I just
[00:40:42] don't think well, I mean it literally starts with him running around near an empty New York
[00:40:45] city. Yeah, true. You know, very true. I think they've I think they're starting to
[00:40:49] establish it, which is a pretty cool sequence. Oh yeah. I remember hearing stories about how
[00:40:55] they filmed that and just like they had so little time. Right. They like roped off Times Square
[00:40:59] at like three in the morning for like like in 28 days later when they like, you know,
[00:41:03] did empty London right London. They'd have to like rope off. Timothy Spool was there.
[00:41:09] Other than rumbling about what was going on.
[00:41:14] All right. Other than like the couple of biggest outlashing shots they have,
[00:41:18] they would have to like rope off four blocks for 30 minutes. Yeah. And then they'd like let that go,
[00:41:23] but then other people would be roped off. You know, it's crazy. Yeah. And that was I remember even
[00:41:27] that the time like as a kid growing up in New York when they were filming the movie and it was
[00:41:31] such a big deal like Tom Cruise shut down Times Square like no one can shut down Times Square.
[00:41:37] It was like how unassailable he was that it was like this guy's such a big movie star
[00:41:41] he can fucking do whatever he wants. Yeah. And it's crazy that at any point in his
[00:41:46] career Cameron Crowe got to do that. Yes. You know, and that's what's so fucking about this
[00:41:49] movie is that like it's a really a fulcrum movie because if this had gone well,
[00:41:54] I think Cameron Crowe's career would have been way different. But it didn't. And then he kind of
[00:41:57] had to recede it back into- Well, I think he starts scrambling. Like that's my like
[00:42:01] Elizabeth Town is him being like, I'm going to write the most Cameron Crowe movie you ever
[00:42:05] Cameron Crowe. Like yeah, I'm going to fix it all romance. You love romance and talking,
[00:42:10] right? This movie is throwing the Cameron Crowe thing onto something else. Right. Which
[00:42:15] is how he could have expanded as a director, how he could have grown up. You know,
[00:42:20] Is there another director who has done that successfully? I mean, I know this movie did
[00:42:23] okay financially but it obviously critically didn't. Yeah. Is there someone who's like that
[00:42:27] idiosyncratic who then made like a weird or more genre movie? Not that this is a genre
[00:42:31] movie, but I can't really think of a movie. Successfully, I don't. I mean, I mean,
[00:42:36] it would be like if Richard Linklater made like a sci-fi thriller, which I guess he has.
[00:42:40] Yeah, it was pretty good too. I mean, I'd say School of Rock kind of functions in that
[00:42:44] way. I mean, it's not the same thing exactly but it was like a commercial film that did well
[00:42:50] and very much feels like of a piece with his work. It does. I agree. It's a big example
[00:42:53] because like most of the times where that happened is like Altman's Popeye, you know?
[00:42:57] Right. Where it's like this is Altman. Right. You know, trying to fit into a pre-existing genre.
[00:43:02] I made you something and we're all like, oh, okay. Do you look it? But in most cases,
[00:43:07] you're sort of like... It's like weird. I mean, I said on Twitter this movie is like Jerry
[00:43:11] McGuire like got out of some sort of like Frankenstein monster experiment before he was
[00:43:16] finished. He just starts like rampaging around. It's like a deformed Jerry McGuire. Love me!
[00:43:22] It's the only good scene in Alien Resurrection where Sigourney Weaver finds the room with all
[00:43:27] the aborted clones. All the spec scripts that didn't make it essentially.
[00:43:31] And it's like, yeah, Sigourney Weaver with like three flippers, one titty.
[00:43:36] She's like got a slug body. And she just burns them all?
[00:43:39] Yeah. Right. Like this feels like most times an idiosyncratic sort of drama or comedy, like small
[00:43:46] scale emotional focus, drama or comedy director has tried to throw that into a larger genre structure.
[00:43:52] It's either like a disaster like that or like Barry Levinson's Toys, which we talked about a lot.
[00:43:56] You know, things like that. That's a good one.
[00:43:59] But isn't that him being like, I've always wanted to make this movie Toy?
[00:44:03] That was a singular vision if nothing else. This is at least Cruz being like,
[00:44:07] I've optioned this movie. I think it's great and I want you to make it with me.
[00:44:10] I was gonna say, Cameron Crowe is sort of, okay, yeah, great.
[00:44:13] I was gonna say the other example of what happens in that circumstance is they make a
[00:44:17] movie and you go, I can't believe that guy directed that. Like it just feels like it was
[00:44:20] made by committee. His voice is totally lost in this.
[00:44:22] Tim Burton's Big Eyes. Yep.
[00:44:24] I liked him. But it's, I'm with the Russian.
[00:44:27] It's a reverse. It's going from there.
[00:44:28] Tim Burton's weird because he made idiosyncratic blockbusters from the beginning.
[00:44:32] Yeah. I mean, he's a pretty good example because it just happened really fast.
[00:44:35] You know who I could have made weird little movies for your heart like Beetlejuice for a while.
[00:44:39] He just got Batman right at the start.
[00:44:41] There's something to be said for the fact that his two really Oscar-ploying movies
[00:44:44] both start with the word big. Big Eyes, Big Fish.
[00:44:47] Thanks, yeah. Anyway. What are you gonna do next?
[00:44:50] You love Big Eyes. I like it a lot. I love Big Fish.
[00:44:54] I recently tried to rewatch Big Eyes. It doesn't move, but put it that way.
[00:44:58] I like it. It's not a fast movie.
[00:45:00] I'm defending everything today. Yeah, all right.
[00:45:03] You know who I'd say kind of almost has pulled off what we're talking about?
[00:45:06] Who?
[00:45:08] To invoke the movie for the second time today, Doug Liman.
[00:45:12] With Edge of Tomorrow?
[00:45:13] Like Edge of Tomorrow sort of feels like a big genre movie with, you know, prevalent limony element.
[00:45:18] He's a weird director. I can't get a beat out of him.
[00:45:20] He doesn't have as strong a voice, but it does feel like that movie almost threads that needle.
[00:45:25] It is, that movie's great, but almost threads the needle of what we're talking about.
[00:45:29] It's very weird that the guy who made the Valerie Plain movie also made Jumper.
[00:45:34] Yes, and Edge of Tomorrow. Yeah.
[00:45:37] And Go. And Mr. and Mrs. Smith.
[00:45:39] And originated the Born Movies.
[00:45:40] What if he's like really six people secretly?
[00:45:42] It's kind of, that's what I'm saying. I can't get a beat on that guy.
[00:45:45] His career is insane.
[00:45:46] What's his deal?
[00:45:47] So weird.
[00:45:47] Yeah, I don't know. Anyway, sorry.
[00:45:50] Vanilla or Sky?
[00:45:51] Vanilla or Sky, okay, so let's-
[00:45:52] All right, I'm gonna tell you the plot of Vanilla or Sky right now.
[00:45:55] A man is in prison and he's been charged with murder.
[00:45:58] Well first, someone tells him to open his mouth.
[00:46:01] Sure, and he runs through empty times square.
[00:46:04] That's also a ballsy move that the first line of the film is a character saying the title
[00:46:09] of the original film in Spanish.
[00:46:10] Yeah.
[00:46:13] Yeah.
[00:46:16] Oh yeah, but one thing I think about the movie that is ballsy is that it is narrated by a
[00:46:22] man who is wearing a rubber mask.
[00:46:25] Let it.
[00:46:25] And it sounds like it's like, you know, I own some magazines.
[00:46:29] Can you hear me?
[00:46:31] It's the most muffled narration you ever heard.
[00:46:34] I love this mask so much.
[00:46:36] What do you think of the mask?
[00:46:37] I like the mask.
[00:46:37] It's creepy.
[00:46:38] The mask is really creepy and it's used to some very,
[00:46:41] like it's used to good effect, I think in several scenes.
[00:46:44] Yes, and right after Eyes Wide Shut too.
[00:46:47] Not right after that.
[00:46:48] Yeah.
[00:46:48] Tom Cruise in masks.
[00:46:49] I love that it's not a blank fake mask, but it's also-
[00:46:53] It's like slightly creepy, almost a little too Tom Cruise-y.
[00:46:56] Right, but it strikes just the perfect on Canny Valley point where it's not like
[00:46:59] just like Tom Cruise's face and it's also not just a sort of anonymous mask.
[00:47:03] It's like just somewhere in the middle where you're really uncomfortable anytime it's on screen.
[00:47:08] He also gets really weird and physical anytime he's wearing the mask.
[00:47:12] He does all that sort of shit where he's like-
[00:47:14] That just to where he's dancing?
[00:47:15] Yeah.
[00:47:15] The first unknown reason.
[00:47:17] Unknown reason, yeah.
[00:47:18] So a man in a mask has been charged with murder and he tells his court-appointed psychologist
[00:47:23] played by Kurt Russell.
[00:47:25] They kindly Kurt Russell.
[00:47:26] Nice, a nice Kurt Russell.
[00:47:28] It's I think it's my favorite performance in the movie
[00:47:31] and I think it's one of my favorite Kurt Russell performances.
[00:47:33] I love it when action actors don't do action.
[00:47:37] Me too.
[00:47:37] Like Bruce Willis and Nobody's Fool or something.
[00:47:39] And Moonrise Kingdom.
[00:47:41] Oh, yes.
[00:47:41] It's such a good example.
[00:47:42] Perfect example, yeah.
[00:47:43] Yeah, anyway, so I love Kurt Russell in this.
[00:47:45] He's just so, I mean he's built to be likable but it's just,
[00:47:48] it's great casting.
[00:47:49] Well also I think that it's interesting that Cameron Crowe has posed on screen this
[00:47:54] big challenge of like I'm, you're a character who's supposed to be evocative of Atticus Finch
[00:47:59] of Gregory Peck into Kill'em'ockin' Bird.
[00:48:01] Not a pretty famous nice guy performance.
[00:48:03] Yeah.
[00:48:04] And he's just a very good job.
[00:48:06] Like I think inhabiting that sort of like gentle fatherly energy.
[00:48:10] Without doing an impression.
[00:48:11] But in Villas Guy 2 he's going to be racist like in Ghost at a Watchman.
[00:48:15] Cameron Crowe has written Villas Guy 2.
[00:48:18] Chocolate Sky!
[00:48:19] And it won't be released until.
[00:48:20] Chocolate Ground.
[00:48:21] Once he's in firm as kids.
[00:48:23] I'm sorry, Chocolate Ground.
[00:48:29] That's almost as good as Tova Feldscher's The Lorax, peeking herself in the behind.
[00:48:33] This is why you bring back Rylos for a twofer.
[00:48:37] Rylos.
[00:48:38] How you doing Rylos?
[00:48:38] Good, good Kurt Russell, love him.
[00:48:40] All right so.
[00:48:41] Kate Hudson's dad sort of.
[00:48:43] Yeah, he's not technically though, right?
[00:48:45] But she calls him dad.
[00:48:46] He's called her Kodad.
[00:48:47] So I hadn't even made that connection.
[00:48:49] So yeah, he had Crowe had just finished work with Kate Hudson.
[00:48:53] And now he's working with her.
[00:48:54] And she said, am I dad, need some work?
[00:48:57] She's like, he's just kicking around the house.
[00:48:58] Have him show up first day of filming.
[00:49:00] I'll find something for him.
[00:49:01] We'll throw some glasses on.
[00:49:02] I think it is worth mentioning that Kurt Russell was very dormant his career at this point.
[00:49:06] He had like made these weird comeback attempts.
[00:49:09] Soldier.
[00:49:09] Soldier.
[00:49:10] Skate from LA.
[00:49:10] And the 90s where it was like.
[00:49:12] Executive decision.
[00:49:14] Breakdown.
[00:49:16] It's very clearly like, okay you're not an action star.
[00:49:20] And Carpenter's failing him.
[00:49:21] Carpenter is fucking wiping out so he can't be there to prop him up anymore.
[00:49:25] Yeah that is true.
[00:49:27] Ghost of Mars comes out this year I believe.
[00:49:29] 2000 miles to Graceland maybe came out earlier this same year.
[00:49:31] I believe it's 3000 miles to Graceland my friend.
[00:49:34] I think I have failed at trivia all of that very difference in numbers.
[00:49:39] Yes that was the Elvis impersonator,
[00:49:40] bank robber movie with Kevin Costner and Courtney Cox.
[00:49:44] And Lucy Liu.
[00:49:46] Possibly isn't that where Courtney Cox met David Arquette?
[00:49:49] Yes that's the movie they met on.
[00:49:51] Yes right yes because I introduced them yeah.
[00:49:55] You did craft services on 3000 miles.
[00:49:56] No I was writing a feature for Empire Magazine never ran.
[00:50:01] You would have read it.
[00:50:01] Oh I loved Empire Magazine.
[00:50:05] So he narrates, he flashes back and he's a publishing magnate.
[00:50:09] And they filmed it in the Condi Ness offices where I used to work before we moved down.
[00:50:12] In the old time square building.
[00:50:14] While mentioning Graydon Carter who is my boss.
[00:50:16] Well my boss is boss.
[00:50:18] Shout out to Graydon Carter he listens right?
[00:50:20] Oh yeah.
[00:50:20] Yeah.
[00:50:21] Tip my check.
[00:50:21] He's a boss.
[00:50:22] Is he more of a griff head or a David dog?
[00:50:25] Or is he a hazah?
[00:50:26] He's a hazah absolutely.
[00:50:28] Well I'll play there.
[00:50:31] Big G.
[00:50:31] I've talked about this with you but my roommate when I dropped out of college
[00:50:36] was Graydon Carter's son who I believe does not listen to this podcast.
[00:50:39] Oh that's right.
[00:50:40] My friend Spike and he was the name on the lease.
[00:50:44] And so once a month I would have to bring a check for like $600 to the hallway in Vanilla Sky
[00:50:51] and wait for someone to come out and collect the check.
[00:50:54] It's like Graydon Carter could use it as toilet paper.
[00:50:57] You know could not even bother to deposit it.
[00:51:01] That's yeah you told me that.
[00:51:02] So you were intimately acquainted with the kind of a job that David Ames has.
[00:51:06] 100%.
[00:51:07] Which is that he runs three magazines.
[00:51:09] Is it only three?
[00:51:10] I think he just says three.
[00:51:11] It was like a Maxim X.
[00:51:12] One's called Lies.
[00:51:14] Is that right?
[00:51:14] Didn't they one quick go we need your approval on the new cover of Lies magazine.
[00:51:18] I might have misheard it.
[00:51:19] Sounds like a great title for a magazine.
[00:51:20] And I want to this is an interesting moment in time too because it's about a rich wealthy
[00:51:26] you know a magazine air in 2001 when all that was starting to fall to shit.
[00:51:34] It's literally I mean within a year the idea it's like oh so you're a penniless.
[00:51:39] Is that what you are?
[00:51:40] You're a popper king.
[00:51:41] Like what when did the Internet started in 2002 is that right?
[00:51:44] Al Gore invented the Internet right upon leaving office in 2000.
[00:51:47] Okay.
[00:51:48] Right.
[00:51:48] Yeah.
[00:51:49] He said oh and here by the way because the first website was for the X-Men movie.
[00:51:53] It was summer 2000.
[00:51:54] Yeah that's right.
[00:51:55] The first the first movie the first website was for Ben Haasley's favorite movie Stargate.
[00:52:00] Is that true?
[00:52:00] That was the first website.
[00:52:01] Stargate was the first film with a website.
[00:52:03] I always thought about Space Jam.
[00:52:04] What about Space Jam?
[00:52:05] Space Jam's after Stargate.
[00:52:06] The oldest website yeah Space Gams is a space game.
[00:52:09] I'm giving you a name called Space Gams.
[00:52:11] It's just like Elaine Stritch and showing her legs in space.
[00:52:15] Citruaries in Space Gams.
[00:52:19] No because Star I think Stargate's 94 and Space Jam's until 97.
[00:52:24] There you go.
[00:52:25] But Space Jam just has a famous old book.
[00:52:26] 96 maybe Space Jam's 96 yeah.
[00:52:28] I think it's 96 yeah.
[00:52:29] Anyway so he's a publishing magnate.
[00:52:31] Yep.
[00:52:32] He inherited it from his father who died.
[00:52:34] Yep.
[00:52:34] And we brash he's arrogant.
[00:52:36] We see all these and he's like 34 which almost made me throw myself up for voting.
[00:52:40] He's about to turn 33 because I am right yeah so I am 30.
[00:52:44] 33rd birthday Tom Cruise while making this film was 41 I believe.
[00:52:48] I think he's younger than that.
[00:52:49] Really?
[00:52:49] I think I was doing the math this morning.
[00:52:50] I think he was like late 30s because he's 53 now this was 15 years ago.
[00:52:54] I'd say 39 would be my guess.
[00:52:57] Like 38 or 39.
[00:52:57] That sounds about right.
[00:52:58] Yeah.
[00:52:59] So but so he's playing younger you know by at least half a decade.
[00:53:03] Most definitely.
[00:53:04] Yeah.
[00:53:05] Let me say this.
[00:53:06] He's supposed to be a sort of you know arrested development case right.
[00:53:10] He's just a little he hasn't quite Peter Pan type.
[00:53:13] Sure.
[00:53:13] Yeah you know he's like he's still having parties and having fun and like.
[00:53:17] Having the best hair in the history of film.
[00:53:20] He was 38 tooling around in sports cars and he's got his weird like shrunken eight pack.
[00:53:27] His weird chest you know that he like yeah it's like he worked out too much.
[00:53:31] Yeah it went wrong.
[00:53:32] That's why I don't work out if your body is this small.
[00:53:34] And you have that many muscles it doesn't fit.
[00:53:36] The thing is odd chest.
[00:53:38] There's no space for the muscles.
[00:53:40] And he has one friend Jason Lee.
[00:53:42] Yeah I will also say that this is the I think the rare movie where Tom Cruise with longer
[00:53:47] hair looks better.
[00:53:48] Yeah because he or looks good.
[00:53:50] He when he's at his best when he has the short crew cut.
[00:53:54] I agree.
[00:53:54] And you can measure the mission impossible movies by the haircut.
[00:53:56] But this is the two years.
[00:53:57] His mission possible to which he had made the year before.
[00:54:00] He's got the real long hair.
[00:54:01] And it's terrible.
[00:54:02] It's so bad.
[00:54:03] But he does three consecutive movies Magnolia Mission Possible 2 and this are all long hair
[00:54:07] right.
[00:54:07] And there are no films in between.
[00:54:08] Right.
[00:54:08] Yeah because in Eyes Wide Shut he's got the short hair.
[00:54:11] Yeah 99 to 2001 is is long hair TC.
[00:54:14] So he has got long hair he doesn't have his beard anymore.
[00:54:16] Yeah.
[00:54:16] No.
[00:54:18] Get it.
[00:54:19] Yeah I got it.
[00:54:20] Long hair no beard.
[00:54:22] Took me a while took me a second.
[00:54:25] Yeah I don't get it.
[00:54:26] 12 comedy points Richard.
[00:54:27] But then for Minority Report short.
[00:54:31] Yeah.
[00:54:31] And then for Last Samurai Long.
[00:54:33] Too long the longest it had ever been.
[00:54:35] Like Crystal Gale like it was down to his ankles.
[00:54:38] And then Collateral Short and Peppery you know.
[00:54:41] Which is not a bad look.
[00:54:42] No good look.
[00:54:43] Pretty salty if you ask me.
[00:54:45] Yes he went into that he said give me the Jamie Lee Curtis.
[00:54:49] Exactly.
[00:54:49] I do think he does look a lot like Jamie Lee Curtis in that movie.
[00:54:53] Same amount of shoulder padding in their suits too.
[00:54:56] I do think that I think this is the bestest hair has ever looked in a movie.
[00:55:00] I really do.
[00:55:01] Yeah they really sell him being.
[00:55:02] He looks great.
[00:55:03] I mean it's not hard to sell Tom Cruise is this but like he's just pitched very well as this like
[00:55:07] handsome like guy who everyone is obsessed with and yes even though he's a jerk.
[00:55:11] He's a jerk.
[00:55:12] Yeah.
[00:55:12] This is the last movie I think where Hollywood tried to just present Tom Cruise to us as
[00:55:18] at least for the first 30 minutes of this movie before it inverts it and deconstructs it.
[00:55:22] For the first 30 minutes of the movie this is the last time Hollywood was like
[00:55:25] this is the most perfect man in the world right.
[00:55:28] This guy's charming he's great looking he's fun he's funny he's confident.
[00:55:32] After that he goes more into genre stuff and then anytime he tries to do
[00:55:36] this sort of thing people flip out and everything that he does after this is haunted.
[00:55:42] And like even something like Mission Impossible 3 where he's the hero
[00:55:45] his character is dark and like crying a lot like in the last 30 minutes of the movie.
[00:55:49] He's like weirdly tortured by his job yeah.
[00:55:52] In order to be super haunted yeah after this all the plans has become a guy
[00:55:56] who has failed and is trying to overcome it right and before this every time Cruise
[00:56:00] movie is about a guy who's winning all the time.
[00:56:02] But in terms of his publicity arc it is like until now it's been Nicole and then like this
[00:56:07] two war the worlds is the period where he's sort of maniacally selling himself as like
[00:56:13] I'm a normal guy right who likes women and romance and I'm great and then war the
[00:56:18] world is where it all really implodes that's and then that's the end of him yeah doing that
[00:56:23] yeah.
[00:56:23] I also I think it's interesting that like the Nicole Kimman thing was like this
[00:56:27] is the love of a century you know man they're the two great movie stars and love adopting
[00:56:32] kids the two great movie stars hashtag that was the first hashtag that was the very
[00:56:37] crazy that invented that when Al Gore invented the internet yeah on the Stargate website
[00:56:41] that was what they posted on the Stargate website they went through the Stargate
[00:56:44] it was the flashing truck Al Gore owns the only known Stargate I don't know if you know that
[00:56:51] and as he invented the internet Roland Emmerich was like I should make a movie out
[00:56:54] of this you know what the bad news is it's the Atlantis
[00:56:57] Al Gore lives in J. Davidson's guest house right yeah he tried for SG-1 he's only got
[00:57:02] Atlantis and he can only go underwater in his Stargate wait Kurt Russell's in Stargate
[00:57:07] I was gonna say with Kurt Russell of all people that was probably his last big action
[00:57:11] epic that hit sure yeah I think that might be right 94 yeah 94
[00:57:17] the thing I was gonna say is they presented the like the cruising Kidman thing as like
[00:57:23] they are madly in love this is a serious adult relationship and the cruising cruise thing I
[00:57:28] remember being more like they just can't stop fucking yeah for sure there was a hot caliente
[00:57:33] well exactly it had a tinge of a sort of exoticism to it no question but there was also because
[00:57:38] you look at like Katie Holmes was introduced as I'm in love with her I'm gonna marry her right
[00:57:43] she was the girl next door who you settled down with but the second he announced they
[00:57:46] were dating it was like we're gonna get married totally Penelope cruise they
[00:57:49] always positioned it as like this is his rebound fling right and the positioning was
[00:57:53] always like they can't stop fucking these guys the two of them the ooh it's just hot this was Tom
[00:57:58] Cruz Colin sexual being yeah yeah yes Barry and this movie is kind of Tom Cruz Colin sexual being
[00:58:04] you know I mean one of the opening things is he just spent the night with Cameron Diaz and
[00:58:08] they had sex four times like normal men and women that means something that means like normal
[00:58:14] that's what they do they have sex four times in a night like a common island woman
[00:58:21] so he's having a fling this might be the first movie where I heard the term fuck buddy because
[00:58:26] I think oh that was that right he had not done it yet let's talk about Jason Lee in this movie
[00:58:30] who is the one who says it right why yes well he's in the movie partly because of his ties to
[00:58:34] Scientology is I believe and Cameron Grove had just done almost famous yeah and he's also in
[00:58:40] this movie to make Tom Cruz seem like a normal guy has a friend who he chats that's right
[00:58:44] I mean this character is a little levy admittedly in uh Abrelo so there's the same character with the
[00:58:51] same mechanic where he's kind of like but literally any actor of Jason Lee or any or even a higher
[00:58:57] stature at the time would have taken that role so it's just interesting that it's him that it's
[00:59:00] Jason Lee yeah he was kind of he was big at the time I mean I think I certainly he Holly
[00:59:05] was trying to make him happen right yeah I mean the thing was I've ragged on him I actually like
[00:59:10] Jason Lee in this I like him a lot and almost famous I've kind of forgotten good Jason Lee yeah
[00:59:15] he's great normal so I think he's really he's really getting that he's okay in this I mean he
[00:59:19] works it's kind of an impossible character to play well sure I was talking to this about
[00:59:23] with I was talking with Richard about this he is everything he represents the movies struggle
[00:59:28] I agree which is that sometimes he has to be like hey man ah fuck buddy haha we're friends
[00:59:34] and it's light lighthearted and then he's like I'm dark and miserable and angry at you
[00:59:40] and then like he's a third thing the character is a sad sack and the movie never wants him to be
[00:59:44] depressing well except when it does like suddenly yeah for a second need him to be like super mad
[00:59:50] or super depressed but it's always cut so quickly that he doesn't really register I mean I remember
[00:59:54] the thing being at that time this movie has no sense of tone at all well but I kind of like
[00:59:58] that so the I believe shortly after this is Jason Lee's first like leading man vehicle which
[01:00:05] is a guy thing which bombs and disappears right yeah and they gave him a couple more shots after
[01:00:10] that before he then went to TV and became father to three chipmunks and that's his career now right
[01:00:15] that's exactly right no you're forgetting my name is Earl I said went to yeah yeah he stopped
[01:00:19] trying to be a leading man in movies once he went to my name is Earl and then just became
[01:00:23] the live action guy in family films but I remember feeling reassured by the fact that he was in this
[01:00:28] movie when I saw it I was like oh good this movie has like a deep roster of people that I like and he
[01:00:33] felt like a cool guy at the time I remember when a guy thing was coming out there was some like
[01:00:37] I have never heard of a guy thing it was him and Julia Stahls and some of Blair
[01:00:41] great and it was like sure this is Jason Lee's break up like it was like a romantic comedy
[01:00:45] where he was the guy the film was called 2002 yeah exactly right yeah we were all young ones
[01:00:52] starring Jason Lee time capsule the movie
[01:00:56] things you'll forget if we had to put it on a post Jason Biggs played a role
[01:01:01] Richard is 33 the movie
[01:01:05] oh my god the entertain weekly summer preview or spring preview whatever was for a guy thing
[01:01:10] they said we were worried when we cast because we knew he was the best at playing the best
[01:01:13] friend in movies and we said if we cast him as the lead then who will play the best friend
[01:01:18] and like who indeed well it was Tom Cruise watching vanilla sky I was like oh that was his
[01:01:23] role at this time we're like this guy is good to play a best friend yeah and I remember
[01:01:28] Kevin Smith talking about casting him in Maul or ads when he like hadn't really acted before
[01:01:32] and he said he came in and he couldn't act whatsoever but I thought he was so cool I
[01:01:36] hired him because I wanted him to be my friend there you go and I think like that was Jason
[01:01:40] Lee's energy in movies at this time was like he comes on screen the character's tolling
[01:01:44] hey man but you go like I want to hang out with this guy he feels like a guy would be fun to get
[01:01:48] drinks with why do you guys know how Jason Lee came up right skateboarding bro yep hell yeah
[01:01:53] shredding real hard he was pretty funny in some videos though I remember him being like a standout
[01:01:58] guy in some of the skate videos I used to watch did you park up at the drive-through when he got
[01:02:02] on screen you were like hold on babe my boy Lee's on screen hell yeah are you doing okay Ben
[01:02:11] yeah I'm fine it's called projection Griffin yep all right so David's having a fling yeah with Julia
[01:02:22] Julie Gianni great name Julie Giuliani great do you think she represents Mayor Julie I sure
[01:02:27] did yeah she fucked up the city drove the city off a cliff or off a bridge now here's camera
[01:02:32] there's also that scene where she built a Disney store on Tom Cruise's day that's right and she
[01:02:36] bans ferrets yes and she has a weird scene where she does drag on SNL yeah so here's who Cameron Diaz
[01:02:44] plays in the film yeah plays a woman who had sex with Tom Cruise yeah you do not know her job
[01:02:50] well no she talks about auditioning and she's got she's got a CD she recorded an album I forgot
[01:02:55] about her album yeah yes but can I borrow her she's a crazy creative woman right yeah yeah yeah
[01:03:01] but yeah I mean she's basically just sort of like arm candy for him right he's fooling around
[01:03:05] you are forgetting one very important detail about her character she swallowed his comp she did
[01:03:09] and that means something and that means something your body makes a promise like the craziest
[01:03:14] monologue in the world it's great and she delivers a beautiful she does she does a great
[01:03:16] anyway so she's a she turns into a stalker and he kind of jokes about it but then it turns real
[01:03:21] and he throws a party I guess it's a birthday party yeah and his pal his beaten down pal Jason
[01:03:26] Lee brings a girl who he met at a bar or something he met earlier that night yeah yeah
[01:03:32] and she's played of course by the island woman herself exactly she's wearing an oversized coat oh
[01:03:40] she's got great coats in this movie she's got some coats her final coat her bit is coats yeah like
[01:03:45] for some reason Cameron Crowe was like coats you're gonna wear a lot of weird coats he does get kind
[01:03:50] of obsessed with certain items of clothing after this point gone because aloha has a similar thing
[01:03:56] with the hat um Tom Cruise wears a hat in this movie oh yeah oh does Tom Cruise wears the
[01:04:01] hell out of a hat it's it is a bucket hat I don't even know what to say about this it looks like
[01:04:06] the hat that leads singer of the new radicals war in the video I was gonna say Len but new radicals
[01:04:12] is a better pal I was about to make the same joke with Len but new radical what is that hat well he's
[01:04:18] got the dreamers disease that's what happened Tom Cruise both of them wear it's covering his
[01:04:25] eyes and he obviously is like and he's not wearing it earlier that day like it just sort of
[01:04:30] appears can I throw something out can I throw out a theory as if he stopped at the hat store
[01:04:34] on the way to work he was like that one can I throw out a theory jokes aside
[01:04:40] I screen shot at it we're looking at the hat we'll tweet the hat out uh can I throw out a theory
[01:04:45] jokes aside can I borrow a feeling are you sure here you go thanks I got too many what's your
[01:04:50] theory uh is that hat a conscious reference to new radicals because this is a movie about
[01:04:56] Tom Cruise having the dreamers disease quite literally let's just uh oh good I don't even know
[01:05:03] what do we do I don't know I have to go forever you have to leave the country that's what happens
[01:05:10] after that all right so he meets Penelope Cruz and she's magic and he's just like who's this
[01:05:16] they're playing solsbury heart and she says he's very hill and his heart goes boom boom boom
[01:05:21] oh the music the music in this movie is until the end like like dreadful it's it's terrifying
[01:05:29] yeah opens with radio head it's crow doing his thing yeah I think crow is now because the almost
[01:05:34] famous soundtrack is really great I like the almost famous sound beautiful yeah and I used to
[01:05:38] listen to it a lot even though I wasn't as big a fan of the movie I just love the soundtrack
[01:05:41] great soundtrack so I think Cameron Crowe is now very high on himself is like the soundtrack guy
[01:05:46] you know he always was a music guy I mean it makes sense of course he was always a music
[01:05:49] guy but I think almost famous was a really big deal and he was now famous for like playing music
[01:05:54] while filming and stuff and then Wes Anderson came and took that crown away from I guess so I mean
[01:05:59] came like the music guy every scene in this movie big scene is set to some fucking song yeah from
[01:06:05] the 90s boom boom boom yeah and it's just like it's like loudly banging on the soundtrack and
[01:06:12] you're like I got it already you know I mean I think everything in its right place works okay
[01:06:17] at the start the radio head song and I think the end works I'm surprised they don't do is this
[01:06:22] my house is this my beautiful life doesn't it maybe it's on the trailer the family man was about to
[01:06:27] do that for for Nicholas Cage underrated movie agreed Bella Bambina two o'clock do you know that he
[01:06:34] says to take a leoni do you know that Tom Hanks sings that song in hologram for the king
[01:06:40] no didn't see that's the cold open of the movie as Tom Hanks going this is not my beautiful
[01:06:45] house that's right I like that movie I didn't see it yeah I think I'm always really interesting
[01:06:48] little little Tom Tickford yeah yeah yeah our old buddy of episode and Serena Shattery
[01:06:55] of Lady in the Water yeah I love her about all of our old friends working together
[01:07:04] okay so he meets meet cutes he really meet cutes with Cruz yeah takes her up to his second
[01:07:10] department yeah he's got the party apartment and then she takes him to her apartment yeah same night
[01:07:16] yeah and she's like she's a little destitute so she can only afford one whole floor of a loft
[01:07:22] in Tribeca or Dumbo or whatever the fuck it is the first line that scene is I just have to work
[01:07:27] all the time in order to afford this you know it's like they're making it clear that like okay
[01:07:31] she's got a great apartment but she's giving up a lot for it right oh yeah it's not easy
[01:07:36] to have you know two loft spaces right together that's that's how though she needs to get off
[01:07:43] making front of Tom Cruz where he barely has more square footage than she does and he owns a magazine
[01:07:48] I just love that she needs to take right that's her fifth job because the fifth job is the one
[01:07:53] that pushes her over the hill into making two million dollars a month yeah she's a dancer
[01:07:59] and a puffy coat model yes what else she's an illustrator she does caricatures on the
[01:08:03] boardwalk yeah oh that's such a weird they draw each other revealing it's never established
[01:08:09] so they go back to the apartment and they they're just doing all kinds of different
[01:08:12] non sexual activities you know how I'm Terrence Malick tells their his actors to just sort of
[01:08:18] improvise movement and so everyone ends up twirling or like doing free trust falls by the side
[01:08:24] of the road which actually happens into the wonder um I feel like they just were in this loft
[01:08:31] all day yeah and he was like okay just like flirt and like do cute things and of course they were
[01:08:36] madly in love with the so so they're like oh they couldn't stop fucking each other oh it was so hard
[01:08:40] for them to film because they go cut and then they fuck each other yeah exactly go on Richard so
[01:08:46] they so they're doing all kinds of things you know whatever and then one of them is just drawing
[01:08:51] each other it's never been established that that that David Ames can draw no and yet he can
[01:08:55] beautifully Penelope Cruz draws like a boardwalk like a perfect like the Santa Monica pure yeah
[01:09:02] of Tom Cruise as a giant grinning mouth like surrounded by women and money dollars she's
[01:09:08] the king of sting and then they turn around and look at Tom Cruise's drawing it's just like a
[01:09:12] beautiful little pencil a very thoughtful very thoughtful considerate sketch um yes of Penelope
[01:09:18] Cruz so they fall in love in a night or it's implied perfect night they don't have sex
[01:09:24] they just had they kiss once and she instigates it interestingly uh because he asked for her
[01:09:28] to pay him with one kiss for that drawing madame i'll charge you one kiss this movie is
[01:09:36] it's the nothing's happening in the movie except everything it's being narrated by a guy in a
[01:09:42] rubber mask death spa everything's happening oh spals at the party yeah and uh he's his
[01:09:47] lawyer Tim of peace lawyer and he's like oh the seven dwarfs so there's the seven dwarfs guys
[01:09:53] who were at the board of the magazine the seven dwarfs they think he's just some rich kid they
[01:09:57] own 49 of the company and they want those that extra 1.1 percent thereafter he's a little fuck up
[01:10:05] and and so spall is like oh you know they want to get rid of you oh i'm telling you because
[01:10:10] i love you shit buddy yeah you know tana and cruise turns to his assistant and he goes like
[01:10:16] give him a promotion 70 corner office he's my best friend in the world right um and uh
[01:10:24] why do we talk about tim of peace ball well there's just establishing that there's oh they want him out
[01:10:30] the problems of the magazine yeah yeah so trouble and paradise so anyway um this sort of just
[01:10:37] continues and then he gets in the car with camera well the next morning he leaves family
[01:10:42] cruise this apartment and camera just had been at the party is it yeah and she she sees them
[01:10:46] sneaks in and she's angry that he didn't invite her and is like don't worry about it i'll punish
[01:10:50] you with sex and he's like and that's the whole me cute thing with pulpy cruise it goes up to me
[01:10:55] he's like i need you to talk to me this woman's talking to me or take away whatever uh i also think
[01:10:59] it's important that uh cruise says that he didn't sleep with pulpy cruise because he's a pleasure
[01:11:03] delayer yeah and kurt russell will not drop that there's a long conversation where he's like well
[01:11:08] what does that mean and he's like you know uh and he explains it because he wants to hear it but
[01:11:13] tom cruise likes uh leave him hanging so that it waits until the moment where he can't help but
[01:11:17] pounce very stingy and true to styler yeah yeah i forgot about that i don't like it it's gross yeah
[01:11:23] it's gross it's gross so anyway camry Diaz is waiting there in the car she's followed him to
[01:11:27] in a nice car and and in one of the movie's most baffling things he decides tom cruise
[01:11:32] decides to get in the car with her he's charmed despite very obviously the night before being
[01:11:37] aware that she is like out of her mind yeah yeah but he's like yeah sure i'll get in a car with you
[01:11:42] you know what that felt like a real bro moment though because she was talking to him about how
[01:11:47] he's not getting laid obviously right i think that was the motivation there they're brought out jason
[01:11:52] lee was like he's over some uh some fdr drive road head or whatever yep sure yeah ben knows all
[01:11:58] about doing it in cars nailed it richard all right uh so then she crashes the car it's uneventful
[01:12:07] yeah oh she gives a great monologue sort of thing quite a bit you just you learn that she's crazy
[01:12:13] it's great it's the most electrifying part of the movie until the very end it is um and then
[01:12:19] you know when you have sex your body makes a promise yeah that's what your car means something
[01:12:25] that means something and she starts going faster and faster and he i cruise is good in that scene
[01:12:30] he's really good it's a well done scene where he's like laughing he's like get the fuck out of here
[01:12:35] like you know he's like trying to shatter the only god then he's like fine i love you i love you i
[01:12:39] love you i'm in love with you you know like slow down you know it's good it's scary the beats of
[01:12:42] the escalation are well done yeah cruise does a good job and then the crash is kind of good too
[01:12:47] because it's a realistic crash yeah it's not like i mean they drive off a bridge like and hit the
[01:12:53] ground and it looks bad yeah but it's not like you can imagine someone walking away and they just
[01:12:58] hold on the shot of the crash car and then the background you see people slowly starting to run
[01:13:02] i think that's a really great great shot yeah this one captures new york pretty well yeah everyone drives
[01:13:07] uh hot rods around well like that and river side drive right yeah yeah captures new york perfectly
[01:13:12] that shit's insane maybe i just this movie does not capture new york very well it captures a
[01:13:17] certain type of new york very well yeah i think it captures a lonely autumnal new york
[01:13:23] thank you in a way that there are leaves many leaps like i i think that i think i think i know
[01:13:29] it's an impressionistic yeah capturing of how new york can feel sometimes yeah a movie that's sort
[01:13:35] of sort of like you know pruce madeline you know where like he's just trying to get back to
[01:13:39] this one thing yeah the city never sort of seems very offering of anything else yes
[01:13:45] uh okay so then hard cut to cruise wakes up what's the next thing we um hard cut to there's a dream
[01:13:55] where he meets sophia in central park describes like i got in this car crash like you know and then
[01:14:01] we cut to the real world where his face has been like ripped up and we repaired with all these
[01:14:08] like pins in his head and there was a chance they could have saved him like intact but um
[01:14:14] he was in a coma so they couldn't wake him to do the surgery right and so he kind of had to suffer
[01:14:18] the consequences of that right yep yeah he's got he's got droopy face like basically cut to him
[01:14:24] giving this big lecture to all these doctors in like medical jargon yeah so you know where he's
[01:14:29] like i've figured it all you know you have to learn and you have to like be on their level
[01:14:32] i think before that is when you see him from behind you don't see his face and he's
[01:14:36] Skyping with timothy spaul yeah and spaul's like they can take the remaining percent
[01:14:41] it there's a loophole mentally deficient or whatever and i'm talking to you and you're doing great
[01:14:46] why don't you just come in show them all you're doing fine right and and then they the camera
[01:14:50] turns around you see him yeah he's not doing yeah he doesn't look great goes the doctors
[01:14:55] choose them out is like i mean one of the cruciest scenes in the movie oh and the way he delivers
[01:15:00] the line when they show him the mask yes he's like oh that's good because for a second i thought we
[01:15:04] were talking about a fucking mask you know he's like fucking mask really good and he like
[01:15:08] cut out to a wide shot and he does a full like cruise jumping up into like he does the it's it's a
[01:15:13] hint of the couch jump yes it's more it's a teaser of the yeah but it's also very reminiscent of the
[01:15:19] flipper monologue in from flipper oh from from flipper where he he played a lice of wood in flipper
[01:15:27] yeah that's right no you know where he goes do you think i'm just gonna freak out and he like
[01:15:30] does that weird spasm it's good to spasm yeah this is another movie that lets him be short
[01:15:35] by the way cameron crow is he's cool with being short i love it jason lee is taller than him in every
[01:15:39] you know you like noticeable yeah love it okay i'm glad you love it may one of the things i like about
[01:15:46] this movie is about a short guy so then the movie gets really weird it's kind of hard to it's kind
[01:15:52] of hard to go through the plot narrative basically he goes out with for a while jason lee and paneled
[01:15:56] the crews to kind of cheer him up because he'd been sort of following her around town
[01:16:00] right becoming the stalker in essence well he shows up at the dance studio without the mask
[01:16:04] yeah and she's sort of hides her horror she's friendly she kills that scene she's pretty good
[01:16:10] at that scene that seems incredible because she's being really friendly to him but she can't help
[01:16:14] but be freaked out and sad yeah you know so she's like crying yeah and she's trying to be warm to
[01:16:19] him yeah and i think she actually plays those several scenes very well where she's very believably
[01:16:25] trying to be friendly trying to like act like everything's okay but clearly something has changed
[01:16:30] and not just because of his looks but she recognizes some kind of new darkness in him or whatever
[01:16:33] so yeah she actually is really good in that stretch of the movie yeah yes 100 i agree um
[01:16:39] and cruz is really leaning into being a creepo that's because the movie's putting less on their
[01:16:44] romance i kind of feel like in the same way that um you know parts of the Caribbean
[01:16:51] dep was never able to shake that uh cape lanship has never has not yet been able to shake
[01:16:55] playing blanche debauched stage especially because she had repeated it again in blue jasmine right
[01:17:00] i kind of feel like cruz didn't shake something from this movie well the combination of iswaid
[01:17:03] shut magnolia and this he never he never stopped being a little scary here's something i and the
[01:17:09] movies where he's scary like minority report like collateral like the mission impossible
[01:17:14] sequels yeah are the ones that we like like um edge of tomorrow doesn't fit that edge of tomorrow
[01:17:20] is more of a movie he almost could have made in 1990 right where it's like it's my own cruz is a
[01:17:24] jerk yeah and then he turns into a good guy but the film is better because he made it now
[01:17:29] no i agree i'm just saying i know i just doesn't exactly the archetype but the reason that movie
[01:17:33] like works on a whole another level is because we know that cruz desperately wants us to like him
[01:17:37] again yeah no i i he has something at stake i agree that this movie's kind of like the
[01:17:43] ultimate tom cruz performance like it's the cruisiest cruise yeah because the first chunk of
[01:17:48] it is just cashing in how much we love him how aspirational he is how effortlessly trying
[01:17:54] he is and then the second half is just like the thing we always sort of feared was underneath
[01:18:00] the underneath tom cruz yeah you know the thing we were worried he was repressing and to his credit
[01:18:06] he doesn't he lets it out and i don't know what turn he took in his career that he decided he
[01:18:10] wanted to go that route after i think he never fully gets a back in the bottle yeah he always
[01:18:14] has to be a haunted man he uncovered some degree yeah the bell could not be in his best
[01:18:18] movies now yeah it has to be someone who desperately wants people to think that he's normal so
[01:18:23] watching the movie now as dated as crows input feels between the music and the dialogue that feels very
[01:18:31] like a vague kind of i mean it kind of probably gave birth to garden state you know that kind of
[01:18:35] thing the dialogue is often very complicated more than this did but um the cats thing
[01:18:40] oh when we are all cats or both cats yeah see what another life when we're both cats i hate that
[01:18:45] and he says that's the best thing anyone's ever said i hate it because camera crow then writes
[01:18:49] a line complimenting his own awful line and that happens basically that's in panelabri cruse
[01:18:54] this entire character i mean she finds other beats to play but like the way she's written it's just like
[01:18:59] i'm gonna show what a good writer i am of charming yeah right and then people are gonna call it
[01:19:04] charming yeah it's a really weird thing i'll see you in another life when we are both cats
[01:19:09] yeah that's the scene at the club where jason lee comes as a wingman to her because he's a
[01:19:13] little she's freaked out by him yeah he gets way too drunk he's wearing the mask they put the
[01:19:17] mask on back of his head and that's the best use of the mask it's very cool image when you cut to
[01:19:22] behind him and yeah uh w. ral brown one of my favorite character actors plays the bartender
[01:19:26] oh that make eye contact with him um and uh yeah he just kind of loses it gets real sloppy um
[01:19:33] and crashes out in the gut falls asleep literally in the gutter and then the movie turns well
[01:19:38] doesn't he run after and see the two of them hooking up or is that a fantasy okay i could
[01:19:43] he thinks that jason lee and you know penelope cruise are behind his back because you know they
[01:19:47] were dated i guess they had been dating for a few hours before jason lee tells him off is like
[01:19:53] dude it's someone you met once you have to get over who you're freaking her out which is fair
[01:19:58] but also like you know the man the man literally looks like a monster so you know kind of a
[01:20:03] little slap yeah geez well i think it's finally jason lee's yeah the characters it's my turn
[01:20:09] right yeah penelope cruise will take guys like me now that you yeah right and turn it to the elephant
[01:20:13] man but then he wakes up the next morning on the streets of dumbo yep um and help penelope cruise
[01:20:18] is just walking down the street with her you know bags full of cash and the sky behind her
[01:20:23] is a beautiful vanilla sky and and i was a vanilla sky exactly yeah that's what timothy's
[01:20:29] ball says yep he pops vanilla squint go ahead and everything's perfect or getting everything's
[01:20:36] perfect very fast love with him he gets surgery and hey his face looks great perfect and everything
[01:20:41] seems to be going well uh and they are there this is a long montage of just romance between them
[01:20:47] this is when i think we have the birthmark scene yeah the mold scene this is it's a sleepy time
[01:20:52] yeah yeah and it and it's and it's it's very cameron crowey yeah you got the dylan cover
[01:20:59] uh album cover sequence yeah the uh the strip of street walking but it's not free wheeling bob dylan
[01:21:06] yeah yeah can we bring up i i know we've gone past it but the timothy's ball tells him that his nickname
[01:21:15] amongst the seven dwarves your nickname is fucking dildo citizen dildo citizen dildo
[01:21:20] which a is very close to citizen dick from singles true and b doesn't make sense as a nickname
[01:21:27] like why would they call him that i don't know dildo citizen dildo is weird because it's like captain
[01:21:32] shit i was like calling him a dildo because he's an inanimate object who like women used to get off
[01:21:37] but citizen is a weird modifier i thought it was like citizen kane kind of reference but then call
[01:21:43] him like citizen like crap or whatever do you know what i'm saying like citizen dildo isn't
[01:21:47] like sort of a literative or doesn't have the same sort of ring to it sure it's got an extra
[01:21:51] like a syllable you know right citizen dick would work better right citizen dildo is weird because
[01:21:57] usually you say like professor shithead like you give him like a fake like hoity toyty title and then
[01:22:02] a shitty word oh i got a citizen quiff yeah citizen quiff works yeah citizen dildo's a weird
[01:22:07] dildo is a noble instrument so it does yeah as a citizen so i take that as a compliment
[01:22:12] and queeps are perfectly natural and citizen of the people you know you're not you don't think
[01:22:16] you're better than us you're a citizen of the dildos so now i think this film has a very relatable
[01:22:22] moment that i just want to talk about yeah we've all been there we're having a nice day when someone
[01:22:27] swallows your comment it means something we're having a nice day we go to a restaurant and no
[01:22:31] a tailor won't stop talking to us and it's really freaky and he goes uh these people
[01:22:41] why do you think they're all here you chose them they're here for you you're a god
[01:22:44] and he goes if that's the case then why won't they all shut up and then everyone goes super quiet
[01:22:49] and he realizes that things are wrong yeah and he starts seeing we all think that camry Diaz is out
[01:22:57] of the movie because her character is dead but then no he starts seeing her she's replacing
[01:23:02] penelope cruise yes and it most horrifically when they're having sex yes that's quite a scene
[01:23:06] actually well it's also like and also he's seeing his face is disfigured again for a second and
[01:23:12] then it yeah this is the other picture all post to our twitter account that i took from my tv
[01:23:17] when they're having sex and she does this time oh yeah when she runs her fingers like through his
[01:23:23] mouth she like smooshes his face like it made a silly putty yeah which which means something
[01:23:27] you know that's that's your body that's the promise that's a promise yeah i promise to
[01:23:31] smush your face yeah so this is all really creepy and weird because then he like attacks her
[01:23:37] maybe and it's also it's also jumping back and forth looping between this stuff and him in jail
[01:23:43] and so you're you're trying to you're basically piecing together what happened right effectively though
[01:23:47] like yeah i guess like some movies doing but it's kind of but it's kind of hurried
[01:23:52] i think it's very you know and i don't think it makes any sense yeah and so then basically we
[01:23:56] find out eventually that he's in jail for allegedly killing penelope cruise or was she
[01:24:01] camry Diaz the whole time but like this is my problem with it is you're like well it wasn't
[01:24:07] no penelope cruise i mean and also it's probably just some weird nightmare that he's having because
[01:24:11] no a tailor was yelling at him just then yeah you know i we've already know this is all weird
[01:24:16] right this is my big problem with this movie and abrilis oh host does not have this problem so
[01:24:20] much is that i think the ending is supposed to be ambiguous where it's like what what is this
[01:24:26] that he's in it and it's like not we're like we know what it is it's pretty explicit yeah well
[01:24:30] he find he has paid to be in a dream state right exactly and like i just got the dreamers
[01:24:35] disease that's right yeah i have to leave again we should also say he's not taken off the hat for
[01:24:42] the entire whole movie even the sex scenes it doesn't even fall off in the car crash this hat is a
[01:24:51] masterpiece it's a craziest thing of ever seen two shots what costumer presented this to tom
[01:24:56] cruise and he was like great at the end after the end credits there's a bonus scene where they
[01:25:01] are coming back as cats in the next life still run out cat in hand okay i'm leaving
[01:25:09] no one's left in the studio yeah we recorded this over four years because we kept having to leave
[01:25:15] the country and then wait a while and then come back and then keep pick up the podcast
[01:25:20] yeah the timothy's ball goes to visit him yeah timothy's ball goes to visit him in jail
[01:25:27] yeah and he's like everything's we took care of it i took care of it but you really beat the
[01:25:31] shit out of cameron d as your friend i want you to understand the enormity of what you did i want
[01:25:36] you take responsibility and he's like here are the pictures i'm gonna burn them we paid everyone
[01:25:40] off it's fine but you should fucking feel guilty and he shows these really gross pictures of cameron
[01:25:45] ds who has just been beaten to a pulp right which we did not see that's not so fiat that's
[01:25:49] not so fiat that's not so fiat right and spalls like you just don't need talking about might
[01:25:54] take responsibility right and then jason lee like gets in a fight with him yes and is like this is
[01:26:00] the last time i'm ever gonna talk to you jason lee bells him out yeah says like don't fucking hit
[01:26:04] a woman yeah and he keeps being told that he's calling out the name ellie ellie what's ellie oh it
[01:26:12] stands for le oh by the way also throughout the movie there have been commercials randomly everyone's
[01:26:18] watching all the time where some scientists is like this dog was frozen in ice you see the
[01:26:23] dog on cone and then i thought the dog out from the ice all these hints i should also mention
[01:26:27] all these hints that an ellie confusion had happened three years prior in a far superior film
[01:26:32] called deep impact that's correct that's correct just gonna say that that was el this is just le
[01:26:37] but she it was called ellie look i mean i think personally i think morgan freeman was having
[01:26:43] an affair with a woman called ellie i was watching the just arrange for the media
[01:26:47] to cover it up i was been i was watching this move vanilla sky today this morning i believe you
[01:26:54] mean vanilla excuse me vanilla sky captain crevice mandolin and i captain vanilla man this guy
[01:27:02] sky captain in the mandolin tomorrow vanilla sky captain typically spaul it's the island woman
[01:27:11] um i thought that morgan freeman was in this movie for some reason i had this weird
[01:27:15] were you confusing with bruce almighty no there was some movie where he like takes over for some
[01:27:20] you know annoying scion of an empire and that man because dream catcher oh it's badminton
[01:27:24] begins yeah is it actually there's a lot of boardroom shit in that yeah well katie homes
[01:27:28] there's a connection they have a very true didn't you get the memo that's his big moment in
[01:27:32] that movie right right rucker howard fires rucker howard you know who would have done a good
[01:27:36] job with this movie christopher no one oh i was gonna say rucker howard in the lead role
[01:27:41] rucker howard now today no i think christopher nolyn did sort of a better version of this
[01:27:48] movie yes um because this is also like a dream like you mean the dark night rises right yeah
[01:27:54] is a better version yeah and then because the movie then gets into hard side with these balls
[01:27:58] a great pain yeah it gets into hard sci-fi and but it's been so not that leading up to it
[01:28:03] it's been a camera crew movie it's very confusing that oh you're like oh and now the
[01:28:06] movie's just going to end and they're going to explain this thing and then that's what
[01:28:09] is all been and we don't really ever really feel a point yes i just realized dark night rises is also
[01:28:14] about a disfigured uh billionaire uh air yeah who falls in love with the woman who tries to kill him
[01:28:21] yes not the best plot in that movie but sure no there's a couple parallels and then at the end he
[01:28:26] kills himself yeah does he yeah that movie has a raspberry sky is the difference dark night rises
[01:28:32] has a raspberry sky he's he's really he's he's uh got a screw loose i got dumped
[01:28:40] this is brutal i was very emotionally invested in a person lock the gates dumped me i will admit i
[01:28:47] enjoyed watching mark maron we haven't actually recorded our almost famous episode yet but i
[01:28:51] enjoyed seeing mark maron lock the gates yeah yeah yeah yeah uh i'm not gonna say that
[01:28:57] turn turn turn um okay so boy fuck you no no no no i don't know i don't yeah i'm not gonna say
[01:29:03] all right so but i think you're right that uh the movie just turns left hard left i mean all of a
[01:29:09] sudden he's in his life extension yeah in an office with tiltis we're tilting out of nowhere
[01:29:14] like this technology about cryo freezing and and then you can do a lucid because russle tries to
[01:29:19] break him out of jail because he's like i've been trying to find an angle where you're not
[01:29:23] guilty right i want to believe you right because he's just a good solid and till this winter he's a
[01:29:28] dad yeah wait is it till this winter or no a tailor who explains the tequila mockingbird thing
[01:29:34] that's no a tailor okay so till this winter is basically just like we work at life extension
[01:29:38] and we just freeze your body when you have a disease and it's funny she's like this might this
[01:29:42] this this promo video helps and then she presses like play on like a desk yes screen
[01:29:47] and then it's her voice and for a second it's like she pressed play in the video but
[01:29:51] then is speaking it right in the room yes but it's not it's a recording yeah we find out
[01:29:55] we should say there are weird tech things like there's a lot of weird tech stuff jason lee has
[01:30:01] a really tiny camera yeah it's like supposed i think supposed to be now i mean everyone's born
[01:30:06] with that camera in their brains but like my question is it was a revolutionary is and there
[01:30:09] and there oh there's a scene also i was going to mention where panellope cruise runs her hands
[01:30:13] through a hologram a louis i'm from yeah that is really weird i forgot about the louis
[01:30:19] johnny kolecki buys it for him he already sells it to him yeah he goes like it's really good louis
[01:30:22] armstri people love it and there's that scene where cameron d has in vent snapchat that is that's
[01:30:27] true yeah yeah yeah and then there's also she's the webmaster of the stargate website it's
[01:30:32] that's the job you were asking what her job was there's also that scene where timothy
[01:30:36] she's still running there's a scene where timothy's well her body made a promise to the
[01:30:39] stargate website i was gonna say there's a scene where timothy small a small event
[01:30:47] snapwell i don't care fuck me with this is snap it snapchat it would have worked if i had said it
[01:30:52] right after snap that was my goal and it didn't remember the snap all craze guys yeah remember
[01:30:58] frutopia i was probably drinking frutopia at the time yeah it was a year of frutopia i saw um
[01:31:04] a snap a lady at a play recently an off-roadway play was it at the snap all theater no that's
[01:31:08] on brahman yeah no this is all probably baby come on that was a pretty good joke yeah
[01:31:15] and she went fun fact i thought the play was pretty good was anyone else won over by the sprint guy
[01:31:23] the verizon guy going to sprint you mean won over as if they as in they switched carriers yeah
[01:31:29] no you did no i'm already a sprint customer i was just impressed with that ad i was like this is good
[01:31:35] okay so here's my i don't know that i've seen it you know but you must have heard about it i did
[01:31:38] hear about it so this is a hard sidebar but like oh this is a hard sidebar okay like six or
[01:31:45] seven years ago a casting director reached out to me and was like hey um i want you to audition for
[01:31:51] this thing um if you could come in and i was like this is weird that you're like calling in advance
[01:31:56] you know emailing in advance personally to tell me about it and he was like well the thing is
[01:32:00] and i have to pre-warn people about this the writer and director of this film who's going
[01:32:04] to be in the audition is the can you hear me now guy oh okay and he's like the campaign has
[01:32:10] ended he was rich right he was like a theater actor right and now he feels like his career's
[01:32:16] ruin he can't act ever again so he wants to try to write and direct because he has a lot of money
[01:32:20] but he can't his face is too recognizable now he said i just i have to call everyone in advance
[01:32:25] because he's very touchy about it so like no jokes not to invoke it right i think i even had to
[01:32:30] Skype with him and it was like don't do any sort of can you hear me now don't even say
[01:32:33] by accident that was the actual warning it was like i was out of town and it was like you're
[01:32:38] gonna have to Skype with him but don't make it like can you hear me now joke and he ended up
[01:32:41] making the movie i believe and it didn't really land anywhere but i like that stuck with me
[01:32:46] like of like oh he's really kind of burdened by this thing that he doesn't want to do with his
[01:32:50] career and then seeing him appear in the rival like company commercial that's it he's given up
[01:32:55] so hard because it was like he's just fucking they're fine but these make a lot of money
[01:33:02] so the end of the film is beautiful and i think what sold me on the movie originally
[01:33:07] is good and it was the first time i'd ever heard sugar rose i believe yes it ends with secret but
[01:33:12] it ends first we must say tom cruise just starts screaming tech support at the top of his long
[01:33:16] good vibrations he takes off his mask very slowly his face is really fucked up yeah and he screams
[01:33:21] good vibrations which before i had seen this movie i was flipping through the channels went
[01:33:25] over no sky that's that movie with tom cruise and palpy cruise right and then landed on him
[01:33:30] slowly handshaking peeling the mask off as good vibrations flared and he ran around an
[01:33:36] office screaming tech support with one dead arm and i went wait this is that movie sure is um pick
[01:33:42] yeah yeah so yeah no italy greets him and then they take a long elevator it's a long elevator
[01:33:48] while no italy explains the movie the great glass elevator no italy and the great glass
[01:33:51] elevator yeah exactly that was the original working time he's playing a vermitious knid
[01:33:55] that's a real deep roll roll great glass elevator rolling in the oh that's right now um so we can
[01:34:03] explain some movie to him yep that tom cruise after that the night of the night club he almost died or
[01:34:07] did die well so at the night club yeah it's a night club he collapsed woke up the next day
[01:34:13] went to this cryo freezing place was like i want give me the deluxe lucid dream package
[01:34:17] yeah i don't want to live anymore right and then he bought this package and then he killed
[01:34:20] himself yeah over there some pills they were able to just save him in time it seems like
[01:34:24] or they thought they could reverse the death yeah it's confusing but he he odied and whatever
[01:34:30] he had like two percent mental energy left and they hooked him up and plugged him in and dipped him
[01:34:34] in the ice yeah and there was like an independence day resurgence where they almost get our mantle
[01:34:39] but they just miss it right right at the end and then then the movie is like we're fine
[01:34:45] even though a hole has been driven to the mantle of earth travest hope but there's like
[01:34:50] two percent of earth's crust left yeah travest hope where i'm excited for the uh the special
[01:34:56] travest hope episode oh you're coming back for that that's our next main series of travest hope
[01:35:01] yeah well he's in a lot um yeah it's hallowed's next big star so noa taylor who was in he was in
[01:35:06] almost famous tom cruise is frozen and has been shockingly for 150 years it's explained it's
[01:35:12] actually 21 which i wonder in some ways if that's what all that technology is about
[01:35:17] i believe the people who crafted this dream for him put all this technology because they forget
[01:35:22] it's an anachronism do they have hologram louis holograms yet they had this in 2001 sure yeah yeah
[01:35:27] i can't remember i'll guess that's before though they have deos bots oh but you know that's the
[01:35:32] thing oh we don't really know when when anything was so so um and then everything we've seen
[01:35:38] whether it's them walking down the street sure which is just crafted from tom cruise or
[01:35:42] david aims loving bob dillon album jules and jim like all of panel play cruises behavior
[01:35:48] and her coach the vanilla sky comes from the monne yeah the scene where nicklas cage is yelling
[01:35:52] in italian as captain crows mandolin his favorite movie yep and uh you've got kurt russell as
[01:35:57] adicus finch that's right yeah yeah all that stuff yeah um and yeah and noa taylor he was just a big
[01:36:03] shine fan so he was like i want my tech support to be noa taylor i wanted to be young shine
[01:36:07] can i talk about a sequence i liked when they show tom cruise trying to commit suicide
[01:36:11] overdosing on the pills yeah and his life customer service to be armin moore star yeah go ahead
[01:36:17] his life flashes before his eyes and it's a mix of like moments from his life and pop culture he loved
[01:36:22] yeah i think that's a very cruel moment yeah that's what camera grow thinks his death is gonna
[01:36:26] be like that's 100 percent what my death is going to be like it's gonna be equal measure the
[01:36:30] person who dumped me two days ago and toy story and they do already have to building too and like
[01:36:35] i find i found that that that that montage of images um both personal and pop culture role
[01:36:44] to be moving at the time and i today i was sitting on the couch kind of like this movie is you know
[01:36:48] sort of sillier than i remember and then that sort of grabbed you last bit elevator on up when they
[01:36:53] get to the roof and he has to make this big decision it choked me up it's a very red pill
[01:36:57] decision by the way oh yeah he's yeah he's a total red pill movement kind of guy i sat
[01:37:02] forward on the couch turned the volume up because but my cigar rose song that i like was playing
[01:37:06] and i think those last 15 20 minutes are really effective i do too and i'd like uh you know crow
[01:37:11] obviously cares about pop culture a lot that's how he got into everything yeah being a fan first
[01:37:16] of these things and being someone who's very emotionally affected by art and wants to make
[01:37:19] art that's very emotionally affecting and i do like that the movie is about a guy who just
[01:37:25] like his life collapses and he just goes like put just put me in that movie i like sure i
[01:37:30] feel like that's a good read that's a good read you know that's true this movie to be more sci-fi i
[01:37:35] think it would probably have me i think if they had because the sci-fi elements were grabbed me
[01:37:38] the money i think that i think this movie's problem is it doesn't introduce it earlier enough
[01:37:42] yeah i agree even if it doesn't have to be explicit but i think that the hints about the
[01:37:47] existence of this it needs to be woven into the the texture of the movie sooner because
[01:37:52] they're a little clunky it just feels like kind of like and as ex machina at the very end
[01:37:57] because nothing in the there's nothing in the movie after it yeah it's just like they go to the office
[01:38:02] then he's in the elevator it's being explained to him then he's on the roof then he jumps on the
[01:38:05] movies just your dad i'm frozen i'm in love again it's how abril ozohos works to a tea down to
[01:38:11] him jumping and open your eyes like being lost lines but uh crows put a lot more on the plate
[01:38:16] right that sort of distracts from the movie is longer yeah and and there's more stuff he's
[01:38:21] exploring more ideas on top of his stuff yeah okay so here's a thing i really like about this
[01:38:26] movie this is my read in addition to the fact that's a movie about a guy who uh you know wants to live
[01:38:32] in a movie i think what's fascinating about this film is that like the first three forty minutes are
[01:38:36] like full tilt crow it's like here's a guy who just like has this charmed life you know it's
[01:38:44] the car it's the song playing it's the girl it's the charming bon mo's it's all of that sure
[01:38:49] and then his life crumbles and the rest of the movie is a guy trying to make his life
[01:38:53] like a cameron crone movie again yeah that's true that's a good read i i don't mind that read i think
[01:38:59] i just wish it was more good at that do you think it's that aware of itself yeah exactly i do i do i
[01:39:06] think it's a very very dark movie about a guy who's living this very charmed life and doesn't
[01:39:12] have any awareness of sort of what his impact on the world is you know right as shown by the
[01:39:17] fact that he's so sort of carelessly toying with camry dea's a clear has these motions for
[01:39:21] him so carelessly fucking with jason lee you know and always sort of one upping him and everything
[01:39:27] that people closest to him are the people he pays sort of the least care to and he has to pay a price
[01:39:33] for that it fucks him over and he resents the fact that he can no longer live this charmed story
[01:39:39] book sure cameron's real kind of life and so he needs to do it again and again and keeps on
[01:39:44] going wrong the storybook part doesn't last long enough and isn't interesting enough that's
[01:39:49] part of the problem and then the nightmare part is kind of interesting but it's very brief see i think
[01:39:54] it's like i think the place where it works and we can say that like it's a little force because
[01:39:59] they're trying so hard to push the sexual chemistry between crews and crews on us
[01:40:02] but i do like the movie invests like 20 solid minutes into this one night they have together
[01:40:09] that it isn't like here's a three minute scene that tells you they had a night together
[01:40:13] i like that you like are in the night yeah it's a little force dick okay well there is
[01:40:19] something prophetic though i don't like well about um what you're saying about trying to get
[01:40:26] back to a cameron crow movie because he would spend the next well you guys will talk about on this
[01:40:30] podcast yes he'll spend the next 15 years trying to do just that and also crews would spend the
[01:40:35] next 15 years trying to get back to the crews in the first 30 minutes of this movie so this
[01:40:38] movie and in that in that light is he did as well i agree 100 but it also is he became
[01:40:45] the movies got better when he stopped trying to be
[01:40:48] yeah 20 33 year old tom cruise who everyone loves and started playing the tension a little more of
[01:40:53] his persona it's kind of heartbreaking to think about the movie in that context you know it's
[01:40:57] like these two guys who didn't know that they were making a movie about their future yeah
[01:41:02] oh maybe maybe they're gonna wake up i think it's a fascinating move let's play the box office
[01:41:07] game okay because it's a game about december 14 2001 okay so harry club this guy was the
[01:41:14] number one movie made 25 wow so it even multiplied pretty well because i know 50 of that was for me
[01:41:21] 100 on the nugget and then i think it did an additional 150 overseas no 100 100 versus 203
[01:41:28] million dollars clean 203 a gentleman's budget was 68 million dollars okay return it's fine it did
[01:41:35] fine it was seen as i think most of that was in the coats uh exactly help and help his coats right
[01:41:41] it was in the 68 was on the coats uh the movie mostly grossed in the uh among island women
[01:41:46] the worldwide grossed i swear to god i'm gonna protest um so number one in december 14 vanilla
[01:41:53] sky number two had been number one the week before harry potter in the prisoner van no it hasn't come
[01:41:58] out yet oh no it had it had yes thank you back is it in the 10th it's yeah it's in the 10th but
[01:42:02] it's not in the five it's in the five but it's not in the two monsters ink nope is that still
[01:42:06] in the six okay which harry potter was it it was the original one sorcerer stone right or
[01:42:11] philosopher's stone depending on which country you were living in at the time i was living in britain
[01:42:17] so he saw the philosopher's zone uh okay number two was number one the previous weekend was that
[01:42:24] the first and only weekend it was number one yes is it a live action or animated live action
[01:42:29] live act 2001 it's a rip snorting uh adventure uh ensemble peace it's not lord of the rings no
[01:42:38] that comes out the following weekend yes it's got a lot of sandwich eating and uh andy garcia
[01:42:45] oh oh ocean's 11 ocean's 11 you're never gonna guess number three i can't believe this movie came out
[01:42:51] december not domestic disturbance right no is that in the town that's in that's 13 okay the
[01:42:59] interesting guess uh give me one hint uh it's got chris evans in it none other team but yes
[01:43:09] that came out december well it was an oscar play opening weekend it made 12 million dollars i
[01:43:16] remember my movie would have done so much better if it just opened in january on a ferris want to
[01:43:20] say zara word for that she's not in that one is she not that's scary movie oh sorry the female lead
[01:43:25] not a teen movie is kyler lee it is kyler lee of course fuck well would have been a great
[01:43:31] joke right now the star of super hey look the french gave on a ferris a caesarean word for it i
[01:43:36] if she's not in it i don't she accepted it but she showed up take that up with the french your
[01:43:40] joke wasn't wrong their award was that's right you've got harry potter in there number five
[01:43:44] you've got behind enemy lines no one wilson war film yeah yeah remember when oan wilson
[01:43:49] was in a war film about bosnia remember when they remade that as stealth and jessica bill played
[01:43:53] the behind enemy lines part have you seen stealth yeah yeah remember that that movie's the craziest
[01:44:00] isn't there a football involved or is that behind enemy lines that's behind enemy lines that's behind
[01:44:04] enemy lines stealth is the one where one of the planes just is always oh that's right and jessica
[01:44:09] bill like yeah yeah and josh lucas sure and then jayme fox is the third lead and he dies first
[01:44:15] and you're like what happened and it was right after he won the oscar he sold it as a jayme fox
[01:44:19] movie yeah that killed rob cohan's career yeah um monsters ink is in their spy game with piton
[01:44:26] redford a movie that i go come back to all the time i love i love that movie never a good movie
[01:44:31] i think that katharine mcormick should have been a bigger star than she yeah and what happened to her
[01:44:36] i don't know uh you want to hear a really my game was not charlain ramping has a great little
[01:44:39] part in that movie too a spy game was a big disappointment it made 60 million that was
[01:44:44] redford pit people thought it was gonna be big um yeah it's too smart i think it's too dark uh you
[01:44:51] want an interesting fact about behind enemy lines uh they hired gene hackman for that first sure and he
[01:44:57] had just done world ten of bombs yeah and they didn't have a lead and he was like oh you should
[01:45:01] hire this guy right for the world ten world ten of bombs got when wilson got hired the one
[01:45:05] movie where he was like a straight action star he's pretty good in it yeah it's not a bad
[01:45:09] movie i saw it in theaters it ends to ryan adams is the rescue blues doesn't yeah it's a funny little
[01:45:16] thing all right behind enemy lines they made like five direct yeah it's like jarhead there's all these
[01:45:22] fake sequels that just use them for some reason yeah and gene hackman's and all of them yeah of course
[01:45:26] of course with uh with uh eugene levy as jim's dad from and on a ferris uh she won a scissor
[01:45:32] for that uh has ten of bombs come out yeah ten of bombs comes out that very weak on five
[01:45:37] theaters and it grosses two hundred and seventy six thousand dollars which is pretty good
[01:45:41] fifty five thousand dollars screen yeah pretty great yeah uh black knight with martin lorenz is in
[01:45:47] there you've got shallow how oh and you've got amelie in the top ten good job on mommy wow
[01:45:53] anyway it's a fun time that's an interesting time now just to give you a little here's
[01:45:57] penelope cruises career post vanilla sky okay waking up in reno i don't even know what that
[01:46:04] never heard of master anonymous the dylan movie right oh yeah wow um uh the movie that dylan wrote
[01:46:10] gothika yeah with right hallie berry uh yeah and robert danie jr she's in that she's like
[01:46:17] guffin she's the crazy lady at the beginning of the movie i'm crazy i think the plot is that hallie
[01:46:23] berry is a doctor and penelope cruises a patient and then she wakes up and she's in penelope cruises
[01:46:29] place yeah that's what it's about only in the first act of that movie oh i see okay it's it's like the
[01:46:34] sophia julia switch in vanilla sky that happens between hallie berry and penelope cruiser everyone's
[01:46:39] like no you're that crazy lady who's always been oh i see and she's like i'm not penelope cruise
[01:46:43] right right a lot of people saying they're not okay yeah sahara i'm just it's quite a run of crap
[01:46:49] so um yeah this is a real rs with mcconnell clive cussler right yes he sued them right yeah he's
[01:46:55] they ruined his property yeah yeah because he had a terrible movie yeah that's the one that's
[01:47:00] directed by brekk eisner right yeah michael eisner's son oh is that right yes the linchpin of his
[01:47:06] lawsuit was that he he considered the character to be semi-autobiographical and he thought it was
[01:47:10] insulting for them to cast mcconnell hey oh wow that's pretty rude yep and then mcconnell
[01:47:16] was in a real he was a real desert at that point yeah that was after uh failure to launch
[01:47:22] or before i think that was before before i think that was before and then you have failure
[01:47:25] launch and ghosts of girlfriends past where uh jennifer garner tries to strangle him with a sweater
[01:47:31] i mean with a scarf on there on the post she wants to say sorry for that she's you know that movie
[01:47:35] was originally supposed to start scarf want to say sorry for best scarf yep do you know
[01:47:39] that movie was originally supposed to start uh griffin newman ben afleck imagine if that
[01:47:43] poster now existed with jennifer garner strangling ben afleck with a scarf so so you've
[01:47:47] got lacy shabare so it's like oh one and really you know 99 or so to 2006 vulvaire it's just i mean
[01:47:55] she just makes crap oh garbage and like it is weird that she managed to scramble a good career out of
[01:48:01] that but did she because i because i don't know not really she got three nominations and one win
[01:48:06] two three yes yeah she got nine as well she got nominated really did she got nominated for
[01:48:12] vulvaire she won for vicki christina she got nominated for nine that's so it's after vulvaire
[01:48:16] again she makes elegy and the good night so you know nothing yeah and then vicki christina and 08
[01:48:21] great she makes broken embraces in 2009 and nine so okay you know she gets an oscanum and she works
[01:48:28] with them out of our and then like sex in the city too okay she's in that for a second very briefly
[01:48:34] pirates of the caribbean uh four or whatever remember which is like weird why i bought a nice
[01:48:39] boat with that but yeah she's into roam with love which i've never seen i like it a lot she's also
[01:48:43] very good in that the have you seen that one yeah i don't remember a single thing about i know i've
[01:48:47] seen i like them i guess she's briefly and i'm so excited which is like the almost of our movie
[01:48:50] no one dare to speak of you only in the very beginning it's her and bandera's the two movie
[01:48:54] stars you want to see in the movie are gone after two minutes and she's in the counselor
[01:48:59] right a movie that is supremely underrated i think that's a real point i hated it the
[01:49:04] first time sure and then i loved it i think she's pretty good in that too and not a very
[01:49:08] ritual scott fan i can't read is yes camera diaz is great in an entirely redubbed a dr
[01:49:14] performance it's there's yeah it's an awkward and then this year i think you're the one who
[01:49:19] tweeted it right zoolander two and the brothers grimm's i mean that who and if you count yeah
[01:49:24] that's a terrible terrible one too but you could also count mama yes which came out last year
[01:49:29] in spain but this year here but everything i've heard about it it's like this very very shameless
[01:49:34] sort of oscarie bait kind of cancer weepy okay which is not great for her but like i think it had
[01:49:39] a pretty high profile in spain so sure just the fact that she did two like spy comedies where she played
[01:49:46] like the sexy catsuit lady thankless role to waning comedic leading man yeah they came out
[01:49:52] within a month of each other her role in zoolander two is actively depressing it's i mean
[01:49:57] ride her like a boat yeah i that movie is really something she plays like the exact same role in
[01:50:07] grimm's beat doesn't she i haven't seen a much smaller part in that oh really okay but it is the same
[01:50:11] i walked i i i never walk out of movies because it's my job to see movies yeah i walked out of that
[01:50:15] movie yeah i can't i mean i had to go to another screening but i also was like to fuck this movie
[01:50:19] yeah um yeah i don't think i'll ever see that it's fucking horrible it's and it's and it's it's
[01:50:24] like actively homophobic yes he's got a problem yeah he hates gay people yeah i think he here's my
[01:50:30] working theory uh he hates everyone who isn't him right he thinks that he's phenomenal and everyone
[01:50:35] else is shitty yeah he's yeah he's got some problem when people were like praising him and they were
[01:50:40] like oh look borat he's sticking it to the bigots it's like he's also sticking it to everyone
[01:50:44] else yeah like there's that scene where they go to the dinner party and he calls a woman
[01:50:47] unattractive and says he would never fuck her because she dain to sit at a table with him
[01:50:52] yeah she deserved nothing she said nothing racist what a fucking steamrolls her nobody likes
[01:50:58] borat right at the time no of course but you know like it is weird how it's like you never hear anyone
[01:51:04] except for people who go my wife but that is and i think that's long since left borat i think
[01:51:08] i think that's coming back too my wife i think my wife is coming back i think it's coming back
[01:51:11] yeah see my favorite of his movies is bruno because whether intentionally or not i think
[01:51:17] that is the one where he gets comedic value out of exposing other people's prejudice is the
[01:51:21] most i hate that movie yeah even if he's playing a shitty stereotype the things i find interesting
[01:51:26] in that movie are people reacting to him and i think everyone he attacks in that movie deserves it
[01:51:31] whereas in borat i think they don't i think it's half and i didn't think i didn't feel that way
[01:51:34] about pruno i thought he attacked a lot of people who didn't deserve i've seen it once
[01:51:37] i've never seen it because i can't watch that gringy shit i hate it's awful i think it said
[01:51:42] whatever that was when i gave up on old sbc he's great now let's do looking class good
[01:51:46] so you said on this very good actor but just not don't let him be a creative voice yeah no or
[01:51:52] else you get the dictator anyway poor prunelope cruise is trying to raise her profile here in
[01:51:56] 2016 into awful movies it sucks yeah and tom cruise is doing better yeah yeah you know he's
[01:52:03] been up and down all these years we talked about it basically karen crowe is well i don't know what
[01:52:08] you guys have said about rodies on this podcast but i have not seen rodies yet i'm
[01:52:12] saving it we're gonna do a rodies episode i will bite my tongue no no please actually
[01:52:17] actually it's a real it's it's really sad ah i can't hear you i can't hear you do you want it to be good
[01:52:23] i really i want to be okay sure because i feel like there is that contingent of crow fans there's
[01:52:28] the contingent of crow fans who almost ignore when things are bad i almost fall into that but then
[01:52:33] there's the larger contingent of crow fans who think they're just like like can it be this one
[01:52:37] fingers crossed like maybe he'll get it no that's that's why i'm every time going the last one was
[01:52:42] a problem but i believe he can get it back yeah well i mean if they if they can fix this if tech
[01:52:47] support can fix this fucking nightmare crow should be screaming and go back to the screening that
[01:52:53] tom cruise and paul wagner hosted for him to make this movie vanilla sky and then he doesn't
[01:52:58] make it in in in the new dream how many episodes of rodies have you seen now uh three okay yeah
[01:53:05] and it's always it i almost said it has its moments it literally has almost a zero moment okay i can't
[01:53:10] i can't talk about aloha i'm gonna cry too much my way aloha aloha kind of like um does it for me
[01:53:15] in parts yeah but rodies is just trying for that and i like a lot of people in it watch aloha i
[01:53:20] can either oh there's people you like in it in rodie yeah i really i like to jino i who doesn't
[01:53:25] love i love machine gun kelly i think he's really cute so i'll watch him it's great and uh beyond
[01:53:30] the lights that's exactly right so fucking great and there i don't know some oh i'm i'm i don't like
[01:53:35] her but i'm rooting for kisha castle hughes i'm rooting for her as an actor she's had tough yeah
[01:53:40] yeah she's had a strange arc yeah well she got cast on the biggest show on television and then
[01:53:44] they were like you're gonna play an idiot and uh your co-stars are going to be idiots and we're
[01:53:48] going to kill your storyline yeah i'm sorry modestly what show is that game of thrones
[01:53:52] she's on game of thrones all the lines are coming back that scene in game of thrones though
[01:53:55] in the finale that just aired where uh you know diana rigs character yeah was like oh tell me about
[01:54:01] yourselves to the sand snakes and they're like uh and she's like actually i don't care because you are
[01:54:05] useless people like i don't care about you and they're just like yeah she was the queen of the
[01:54:10] universe one time queen in the boom oh she was the queen of the boo that's right so anyway mother
[01:54:16] mary magdalene um i mean not magdalene mother mary she was mary yeah and she was also a real
[01:54:21] life on wed teen mother true that's true no uh venil sky youngest best oh no the second venil sky c
[01:54:27] pause um sure i know i would say i would say c sure for the bulk of the film right be be for the last
[01:54:36] 15 minutes pretty fair um and i have to say i want to apologize to brian kazoska gail ryan mary joys
[01:54:43] rtizas and whoever else was with me in 2001 on the bc shuttle bus coming home from the cleveland
[01:54:48] circle national amusement theater they were right i was wrong it's a bad movie david you're
[01:54:54] ranking are they listen every week uh yeah i mean i haven't spoken to really any of them in 15 years
[01:54:59] but i'm pretty sure they're listening it's good that you know all their names well it is three of
[01:55:03] their name that's pretty good i don't think i could name three of the people i hung out
[01:55:07] within like the first week of college at all i mean i suppose you're rating david yes c plus
[01:55:13] three out of five you ready for my reading he's putting on sunglasses a minus that was something
[01:55:23] a minus griffin has taken to prop company griffin is uh auditioning for master anonymous too right now
[01:55:29] in front of us wearing sunglasses indoors i'd say a b plus a minus i waffle uh but yeah you like this
[01:55:36] movie i like this movie i love your read on this movie i got a i like the read on the movie
[01:55:39] i would like to read it in written form if you ever wanted to write it yeah you should well you
[01:55:44] guys want to make some competing offers i could pay you you guys are bitter rivals right he's gonna
[01:55:51] get old griffo on the byline yeah where it's like mrs parker at the vicious circle over there yeah
[01:55:56] come on it makes them bids for all the griffle oh my god seriously though i just need a
[01:56:01] relationship right now so if either of you want to um i know a good island woman you might oh great
[01:56:06] do have a mandolin dammit he beat me to it all right griffin well it's about six fifteen so you
[01:56:12] should get on the road i gotta i gotta um i have to i have to go see that oh ben guys can you tell
[01:56:17] you my takeaway oh yeah please you've been you've been pretty silent this episode yeah yeah i don't
[01:56:22] know this movie put me in a weird mood they didn't have any past technology i had future technology
[01:56:26] well no there was a really cool moment with outdated ringtones yeah but uh uh what's your
[01:56:32] read ben so at least something i got out of seeing this again was striving to have a window
[01:56:39] of time in your life that you'd want to relive like tom cruise did in this movie yep uh so yeah
[01:56:45] this is a terrible story but i kind of feel like that's something to to think about yep
[01:56:51] i think about it too and i'll think about it for months now that that window has closed in my
[01:56:55] life uh thank you for listening i'm doing great you know what i'm really not looking forward
[01:57:01] to what because we're recording these episodes in advance having to re listen to me make references
[01:57:06] to how sad i am right now five weeks from now when this episode's released but you might be
[01:57:11] feeling better five weeks that's my hope that's my hope i'm saying so then five weeks from now
[01:57:14] i'll listen to it you know and i'll be like this you know when my dad was my age that we
[01:57:21] are pointing missiles at each other and we were about to blow each other up you're saying
[01:57:25] the world russia and america yeah you're saying could be worse could be worse i was more
[01:57:29] like someone yesterday was saying to me like oh my god like the world's fucking ending which is
[01:57:33] like i think a reasonable feeling to have right now yeah things feel a little apocalyptic
[01:57:38] but i was also like you know when my dad was like literally my age like he was like a
[01:57:42] you know a guy at a newspaper writing up a story that's like russia could bomb us any day now
[01:57:46] cuban missile crisis ongoing you know like you know yeah griff you could be a rich guy that
[01:57:51] gets into a car accident yeah that's my hope that's what i'm dreaming for i mean look i i know
[01:57:56] you know there isn't a third nuclear war and that's great and we should be thankful for what we
[01:58:00] have but it's also you know we're never gonna get season two of vinyl i'm sorry about that i don't
[01:58:06] know what happens to the nasty but you were gonna be the manager maybe it had been a
[01:58:11] snow i don't know look thank you all for listening thank you for listening richard do you
[01:58:16] want to give rich griffin these condolences yeah i mean look me in my sunglasses i'm wearing
[01:58:22] my suit gloves right now look me in my sunglasses richard i put sunglasses on over my headphones
[01:58:29] so they're not covering my ears so they're just resting vaguely on my face indoors well maybe you
[01:58:35] and i can be together in another life when we're both cats look at my coat a beautiful coat thank
[01:58:45] you richard richard you're the best guys for having me um what do you want from james cameron
[01:58:49] we just gotta have you every time i would like from james cameron
[01:58:55] probably aliens all right well we'll talk we'll talk or true lies i don't know what's true lie
[01:59:02] uh i think thank you for listening we'll read reviews at some later episode we keep on
[01:59:06] saying we're gonna do that i'll just tweeted the word no no one knows why yeah yeah he's
[01:59:10] feels it is a bad time right now negativity bro i hear you mark ditto ditto mark ditto ditto
[01:59:22] and by the way of course this episode has been written and narrated by griffin numan and david
[01:59:27] sims that's me why are we i love the part i just think that's the funniest thing you're very good at
[01:59:34] that very specific i love that podcast it's incredible doing this won't you yeah uh hard tea baby
[01:59:41] hard tea um uh tune in next week we'll be covering the movie elizabeth town very well oh yeah his voice
[01:59:49] were you doing that was i don't know probably just solo you want to yeah no no feel free feel
[01:59:55] free swing on by i call it lizzie town yeah well sure lizzie toes i mean maybe you can get
[02:00:01] paul adine's in that movie yes paul adine is in that movie right yeah she plays rilanda bloom right
[02:00:07] she actually plays the sneaker that he uh so next week we'll be discussing we never talked about the
[02:00:12] snowboard look i gotta do a second vanilla sky episode we gotta do the vanilla sky reawakens
[02:00:19] all right okay i know you got a good griffin okay i gotta go i gotta go try to have a career
[02:00:23] uh next week we'll be discussing the sequel to denim invasion elizabeth town um please tune
[02:00:29] in oh yeah what if i know what about the denim invasion we might do next week might be the denim
[02:00:33] invasion episode oh you're right yeah the denim invasion episode well we recorded a whole episode
[02:00:38] about camera and crew live episode gap ad yes live episode at the ucb del close marathon uh
[02:00:44] it's a 45 minute episode about a 30 second gap commercial yeah ben what did you think of that
[02:00:49] episode i was okay i mean it's not really about the gap commercial it's a lot about the gap
[02:00:55] there's 25 minutes of george lucas and it's all right well spoiler alert we do have special guest
[02:01:01] john evertrow bridge and george lucas and and a lot of live on mike burger reports yeah that's true
[02:01:08] uh tune in for that and then we'll take a trip to elizabeth town yeah after that and uh yeah you
[02:01:14] know yeah as always griffin and as always swallow my calm that means something
[02:01:23] oh yeah
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