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[00:00:28] I'm gonna go back to the next one. I didn't order a speech there. I did not order a hot chocolate. I ordered Scrum did Lee-Unche's strawberry hot chocolate. Oh, God. Oh, God. As a tradition, this was Ben's idea. And what way is this tradition? Well, because it's a Wonka tie-in. You can't pronounce us being served twice. It's our first annual Wonka Man episode.
[00:01:43] Would this have not happened to have,
[00:01:45] we're near Ishenai pot.
[00:01:47] I hop. divide between the two of us and a lot of these. You can be like fun. Yes. And then a couple of slugworths. We got a couple of slugworths, a couple of arms here in the studio. When you order this in restaurants, there is a tremendous amount of whipped cream and a drizzle of chocolate sauce. And of course, what you called out when I sent you the picture, Marie.
[00:03:01] Come drizzle?
[00:03:02] No, that's the other.
[00:03:03] Okay.
[00:03:04] That's the dreamy lemonade, kind of a wet dreamy lemonade.
[00:03:07] Oh my God. be like, I don't know, this is a Spider-Man burger. And it's like, well, he did need to eat that one. But like there's so much times. I've been, he goes in for a real theme. I told him like a year ago that I wanted to join him on one of these. Yes, I have also always wanted to do it. I mean, at least to make appearances. Yeah, you never did. Well, I'm busy right now. Right, but we were, I'm trying to remember,
[00:04:20] we definitely were gonna do the Spider-Verse together
[00:04:22] because there was, it was one menu item,
[00:04:25] but there was one Burger King in Astoria Schberger, Fapper, like any of these places would have been better for the fiber. The fiber was to work. It would have worked. Yeah. It has kind of good burger vibes as it does. But I guess five guys has such strict iconography. They've never done it. They've never done anything like that. Like Charles Jr. Hardee's. But those like regional. But those aren't around here. We couldn't get one. Well, not around here. Why do they need to be around here?
[00:05:40] Because so many singer can eat it.
[00:05:43] So all of these companies are targeting Matt Singer specifically. this. Ben wanted to do some sort of chocolate course for this episode. I'm not really detecting a lot of chocolate. Zero chocolate. Like this drama is so wrong. Strawberry hot chocolate. I know. But like, I thought about getting like one of those fondue or like a chocolate
[00:07:00] fountain because like when I first thought of wet chocolate, I didn't think of a beverage.
[00:07:03] You thought of ordering a chocolate fountain for this episode? a joke though, like you will get antsy like it's like yeah you're like tweaking. I'm addicted to personality so it's like once I start eating skittles I can't stop. I mean there's another substance swatch that I can't remember. We've been a can of cringles and all of us. Yes you can't do that. Don't get me started. Just don't get me started. Ben hasn't been able to stop.
[00:08:20] It's like ice nine it just.
[00:08:21] Look I'm just not a chocolate fountain guy.
[00:08:25] Okay I'm sorry.
[00:08:26] It's fine.
[00:09:22] I'm sorry, should we call you Marie? Bardi Salinas party Salinas.
[00:09:24] No.
[00:09:25] No.
[00:09:26] Okay.
[00:09:27] I have to go on my own journey
[00:09:29] of like getting used to my new marriage.
[00:09:30] Sure.
[00:09:31] Yeah, or you can use the one name professionally
[00:09:33] and one name personally, a lot of people do that.
[00:09:35] We have to keep on this show who
[00:09:36] adjust the nickname.
[00:09:37] Just the nickname.
[00:09:38] No, I'm still a party party.
[00:09:39] Okay, of course.
[00:09:40] Of course, talk of fountain.
[00:09:41] Come on.
[00:09:42] Talk of fountain.
[00:09:43] So I am on episodes that, you know, BVS Dawn of Justice when that came out, which was early on in the podcast, because that was still a period of time where we were like, if there was a new release film that feels kind of blank check, maybe we should stop. We're just installing. We should probably check it out. And in contrast to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which at that point was like fucking vibrating with energy, like post Avengers,
[00:11:03] everyone's like this works, this works. Man of Steel. We covered Batman versus Superman. We covered. Suicide Squad. That's just the sleeve. No. We covered Wonder Woman. We covered Wonder Woman. We covered Justice League. Although I think we were comatose for that episode. Sure. We covered Aquaman. Uh-huh. We skipped Shazam. A mistake. In retrospect. Sure. But that was the point in time where we were like,
[00:12:21] these movies seem to be breaking out of the Snyder
[00:12:23] things when we shouldn't cover this.
[00:12:24] Then you and I see Shazam and Mons later are like,
[00:12:26] that was kind of one of the better of the great movie.
[00:12:28] Yeah. To consider we did not cover blue beetle, which I watched in like eight parts because it was so boring, Griffin, the most fucking nothing movie. You're anti-blue beetle? I like George Lopez. I just watched. After my move, I was like, my brain can't handle anything. I'm watching blue beetle.
[00:13:40] And like, I'm just like, this is so boring.
[00:13:42] What are his powers?
[00:13:44] I was gonna ask, what is the beetle?
[00:13:45] Did I get that he has his suit
[00:13:47] and it's sort of Iron Man-y? shows up you're like, oh, George Lopez has a beard. I get it. He's playing the silly uncle. I'll land a couple of days. I'll be 10 minutes of this. And then he's like, no, George Lopez kind of co-lead for a lot of this and like really good. He's also like. He's like the Randall Park of, well, we're going to talk about Randall Park and how six different times during my screening
[00:15:00] of Aquaman 2, I shouted, he's still alive.
[00:15:03] I was sitting next to David.
[00:15:05] I can accept this.
[00:15:05] The biggest revelation of this movie of Aquaman 2, emerges alive as him being like, I'm starting to think what we're doing here might not be great. And you're like Randall, shit, I'm getting off the pot. Do you think die or quit? Do you think? Like, and cut. And then Randall Park goes over to James Wan and it's like the Black Man to scenes where he's like, hey man, I really can I go home?
[00:16:20] I don't wanna be here anymore.
[00:16:22] I don't think Steven shins that crucial.
[00:16:24] And James Wan and James Wan here's the call sheet
[00:16:26] for tomorrow.
[00:16:27] Yeah.
[00:16:27] Oh no, all the time. Definitely isn't. No. Blue Beetle, very cute. That kid's cute. He's a looker. He's a good looking little lad. Uh, I watched that movie and was like, this whole movie looks soft and smudgy to me. It looks like a, a like a 140 P YouTube video still buffering.
[00:17:43] Are they mis projecting this?
[00:17:44] And then I watch the trailers.
[00:17:45] And I'm like, this feels like some deliberate choice of that entire movie is like smudgy.
[00:17:49] Yeah. It's not on the list, so I guess no. It's supposed to come out next year or the following year. And like, obviously next year there is Joker, Folly, I do, but that's not in any universes. And we've got the Penguin series on Mac. Right, and that's a touch. Which is not part of... When do they announce that that is part of whatever Con is doing? I bet you that's happening. That the Penguin series is part of it.
[00:19:00] The Batman movies are part of it.
[00:19:04] He's...
[00:19:04] It's not...
[00:19:05] I thought he already confirmed they weren't.
[00:19:06] Yeah, but I think that's going to change.
[00:19:08] I disagree with that strongly. more cinematic universe is going to do the trick. It is like guns whole thing has been like you're been hired to reignite people's interest in cinematic universes. He can't like Griffin said he can't do it without a Batman. You can't you can hold off on a Wonder Woman and an Aquaman put them on ice. Yeah, bring in Green Lantern if you want. I can use they need a new they need another Green Lantern.
[00:20:22] Well, I mean, I'm watching this fucking movie. They be, I quote, the report. Quote, read pressure, right? An angry black man. Right, right, right. Why is this movie about an angry black man? Because he is kind of crucial to the Snyder Company. He is. God. Look, one reason we're doing this episode is to bid goodbye to all of this. We are a little... What insane are... Here's what I think is interesting to put as a counterpoint.
[00:21:42] Let's actually finish the loop before we get back into DC.
[00:21:45] Marie, there's this ongoing debate just the way Griffin open a pitches come up with any other fucking thing that's in there. Something's got to go here. We got one week where we don't know what to do and the second best pitch was take two weeks off.
[00:23:00] It was not.
[00:23:02] But that was the close second was we just do two weeks without. might end up with a five day that's below Shazam's three day. Oh, that would be crazy. Right. And that'll happen. Shazam's three days 30. Okay, it'll probably beat that. But you never know. Right. Like 24 hours ago, the estimate was it will make 40 for the five day, which was bad. Now it's down to 32. It could end up below Shazam.
[00:24:21] Yeah.
[00:24:23] Both this and Shazam were put out, I would say, with similar energy by their studio of
[00:24:27] like, I mean, go of all the DC movies listed since Man of Ceylon, which is a 10 year run, it is the highest grossing. It is the highest grossing film from the DC Extended Universe, I believe.
[00:25:41] Maybe not domestic but worldwide.
[00:25:44] Domestic Wonder Woman is the highest grossing.
[00:25:46] Okay.
[00:25:47] And worldwide it's Aquaman. I just want to say one last thing and you just imagine cutting to his poor friends at dinner being like why do he's going out with this guy he does this every time we've been here for an hour Weam was the one where they realized, oh fuck, the fact that we've announced that none of this matters anymore and that he's gonna be a problem, right? Flash, they tried to will through it, it didn't work. No, Blue Beetle. Well, last day I also made the mistake of being like,
[00:28:20] this is the best film ever made.
[00:28:23] Period.
[00:28:24] I saw it and I cried to all of my bodily fluids
[00:28:26] and needed a water transfusion. Originally two years ago, a year and a half ago? Yeah, 2022 was the original intended release. This movie originally was filmed having Michael Keaton as Batman in it. Then when the Flash got pushed back and they thought this movie was gonna come out before the Flash, they re-shot all of Michael Keaton's scenes
[00:29:40] with Ben Affleck as a bad fuck.
[00:29:42] And now Batman is not in this movie period.
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[00:31:08] OK. or the Wondery app. Either dark, check it out. Anyway, we're debating whether or not to do this episode and Marie comes up with a once in a lifetime pitch. Won't quit man. Won't quit man. I think it is very interesting that as we said, Warner Brothers has these two movies. They're releasing them very close to each other. Color purple as well.
[00:32:20] All these fucking hand-bringing industry analysis pieces
[00:32:25] that are like theaters are bracing themselves publicly said he did not, he was advised to not be in superhero movies. Right. I was a caprio. Caprio told him no hard drugs and no superhero movies. It's pretty funny. And his like, oh, well, I still need a franchise. That's me because Dune is, I feel like Dune is bigger than him. But it also is his in a weird way.
[00:33:42] Dune rocks.
[00:33:43] He's making the correct to the two previous films. Yes. Shortly after the Warner Brothers deal or some years after the Warner Brothers deal, Netflix buys the Raldol library outright. Netflix controls all rights to all Raldol shit now. Correct. So this was sort of the last thing through the gates before Netflix pulled it all in.
[00:35:03] Right.
[00:35:03] And Warner Brothers, the big appeal to them was obviously WeON,
[00:35:06] the design of the Umpalupa from the original film, the songs, And I think they should have picked this person and would have gone great. No, Ezra Miller. No! No! No! Just one of others was just like, Ezra Miller needs to be in every thing. Every thing. Because Ezra Miller's in now. That is interesting though, because both- Grindelwalds. Yes. Both Ezra and, no, not even Timmy, Ezra and Donald. They both have like, and they can have an edge to them.
[00:36:23] Yeah.
[00:36:24] Sure.
[00:36:25] But Timmy does not. It's fine that you stand by that. I mean, he has called him his favorite actor, whatever I think. Well, okay, Ryan Gosling once picked his favorite actor. His choice is none other than the late Jean Luller. Ben, we saw the full guy trailer yesterday. Is the vibe of that movie not Jean Wilder looks like an action star stunt man? It's pretty funny. His whole thing of him trying to like psych himself up
[00:37:40] into doing this.
[00:37:41] Like she's getting very goofy for sure.
[00:37:43] Right.
[00:37:43] It's gonna be like the fifth David Leach movie
[00:37:45] that I'm gonna walk into being like,
[00:37:47] I think this one's gonna be hard to work.
[00:37:48] And I won't like it. musical performances and that convinced me to cast him. Yes, people then find these YouTube videos and are like, whoever saw this and thought he should be in a musical is high. Well, no, I understand about what Paul King was saying was, I watched him and if he's able to do this without embarrassment, that's what I'm looking for. He did not cast him for, oh my God, look at his musical ability.
[00:39:02] 100%.
[00:39:03] I do think that that statement of his was misconstrued.
[00:39:07] It was.
[00:39:08] It may be used against the film a little bit. like that's the idea of Willy Wonka. And there was like one paparazzi video from the opening number where he's sitting on top of like the carriage and he's singing. And it was a paparazzi video from across the street. And people were like, it's a fucking musical! Which I think they were always in front of about, but people just kept forgetting. But like knives out, this is gonna be a disaster. Then the trailer comes out and people are like, yup, looks dumb.
[00:40:22] And I feel like quietly we were sort of people like, you can't top two. What? Like you're doomed. I have been less negative on Wonka from the moment Paul King was announced than most people. As much as I agree with you, I'm just like, fundamentally, I don't need to see young Wonka. My whole thing against it the entire time
[00:41:41] has not been anything the movie was putting forward
[00:41:43] and it was marketing in its marketing materials.
[00:41:46] My thing has been, this better be so fucking good sequel territory, which I don't want Paddington to steal from them. No, but maybe you could cross over with her. Because the Prime Minister. No, but she goes to the UN. She goes to Parliament. She goes, I also want to say, same Clemence, a friend of the podcasts, a host of the 90 minutes or less podcasts, a picture house employee did a Q&A screening of Mrs.
[00:43:02] Harris goes to Paris with the director and recently sent me a signed Mrs.
[00:43:06] Harris Blu-ray.
[00:44:03] directors who are admittedly potential blank check. I was about to say, should we just officially say,
[00:44:07] here's my pitch.
[00:44:08] Now I know Paul King also made a movie called
[00:44:11] Bunny in the Bull that's like a small film.
[00:44:13] Which I don't think is very good,
[00:44:15] but is kind of a classic first movie.
[00:44:17] It's him like trying stuff out on a tiny scale.
[00:44:20] He of course was the director for all of the Mighty Bush,
[00:44:22] which is one of my favorite TV shows ever.
[00:44:25] And he was very much the sort of like
[00:44:27] Edgar Wright to that space. has a lot of movies. It's the one I want to put on the bracket. But we want to cover him because we like his movies. Yes. Right? Yeah. And like it's a it's a it's a blank check career. Totally. Especially in this like studio. He's launched multiple franchise. He's launched three different franchises. He also made the biggest hit in a different franchise, but then he also has made like three other,
[00:45:43] you know, personal horror movie type things.
[00:45:45] Like you clearly just wanted to make one of the blank check new development project. My memory is that it was sort of like this was already close to opening, and now it's opening in a kind of cursed neighborhood. It's a huge theater. It's like a big multiplex, multi-flores, big theaters. It's used for Tribeca or used to be. The first couple years of Tribeca when it was really kind of them putting energy into trying to will that into a major festival, it was used a lot. It's always been a theater where the layout's kind of weird because it's
[00:47:03] in a building that's mostly a hotel and sort of to do another movie day with them. It finally lands on. We're seeing Wonka. Their parents are like, Oh, if you're seeing Wonka, we'll come. Oh, now often when I take them to movies, it's sort of like I'm doing a
[00:48:20] mitzvah. I'm helping take one kid off the hands for a couple hours.
[00:48:23] Right.
[00:48:24] Griff time makes it easier to parent load.
[00:48:26] This was the first time they've been Oh, she's a wist. She's aware she's seen both of them?
[00:49:40] She's like the grand tradition.
[00:49:42] I think she sits down and it's like,
[00:49:43] I'm gonna see a third telling of Charlie
[00:49:46] in the a factory. Factory, factory. And then she leaned over the railing of the theater and then was in for the last couple of minutes. Okay. George is a sophisticated, right? And the meme Cleo is Winnie the Pooh, George is Winnie the Pooh in the Tuxedo.
[00:51:03] Okay.
[00:51:04] He's an eight and a half year old sophisticated who just loves his doing with the Phantom Menace, you were starting a plague. I just think it's interesting. Their parents were really into it, because Romley and I are into it. They are into it, but with some frustrations or anciness, and the takeaway from both of them is, without intellectualizing at the level we're talking about, both of them are, why am I watching Young Wonka?
[00:52:22] Why is this the movie?
[00:52:24] I just think that's a little interesting.
[00:52:26] It's a little interesting, but these are also kids nice new Regal Theater. It was packed. Yeah. And I also loved the Gene Wilder. The Gene Wilder Wonka. Right. Remember the Tim Burton one vividly think about it all the time. So I also poster above your bed of the movie every night before you go to sleep.
[00:53:40] Big old Smooch every night.
[00:53:42] So I went into it ready to feel nostalgic.
[00:53:45] For sure. finish my hot cook. Well, I'm almost done. Ben, did you cry during Wonka? Yes. Yeah, I called. OK. Marie, what did you think of Wonka? I had a great time. Yeah. Full disclosure, I was zooted when I saw this movie. On fudge. I fucking wish. So I saw this movie with my new colleague Shelby.
[00:55:01] Hey, Shelby.
[00:55:02] Humble brag.
[00:55:02] Shout out to Shelby.
[00:55:03] And we took little weed gummies. went to the Target in the mall with Alamo Draft House and full disclosure, I work in advertising right now. That's my new job. So does Abby. You're non-blaying check job to be quick. My non-blaying check. Yeah. And Shelby is a strategist, I'm a copywriter. She was absolutely just astounded by the fact
[00:56:21] that there is no tie-in.
[00:56:24] Okay, I'm getting, I can talk about it.
[00:56:27] Right? Yeah. that's what we're saying. Yeah, of sure. Nerds are a huge achievement in the world of pandas. I agree then. Nerds are major. Yeah. But I will say I don't really understand the appeal of Nerds rope. Nerds rope, that's actually, that's a philosophical. I haven't fucked with the rope.
[00:57:40] The rope is moving.
[00:57:40] Move on.
[00:57:41] What's the end of the story?
[00:57:43] There was some fucking thing.
[00:57:45] I will find this New York Times article where there were some I would have seen other chocolate. You know what I did, David? You know, sorry, I know Ben is like freaking out right now because the levels are out of control. And if both are like ripping our mics, I bought two six packs of Russell Stovers, chocolate covered marshmallow ornaments. And that shit doesn't make you fucking hover.
[00:59:00] It doesn't.
[00:59:00] But this is the problem.
[00:59:01] No one could chocolates in stores do anything.
[00:59:04] Yes.
[00:59:06] As a kid, I chocolate factory. Called the chocolate factory, yeah. And I think they didn't do it there. It's like, that feels like a missed opportunity. Yeah, yes. Wonka. I saw Wonka at my house because one of her brothers sent me a screener. It must be nice. And percident.
[01:00:20] Did you watch with the boss baby?
[01:00:22] Didn't watch with the boss baby.
[01:00:24] I watched with my wife, a boss baby in her own, right?
[01:00:26] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. The Wonka is good. A plus five stars. I'm gonna have to give it a major smile. You gave it a major smile. That should be, you should have a newspaper column where it's like major smile, thin smile, expressionless. Bins, smile of the week, slight frown, scowl. I can't wait to find out what expression
[01:01:41] Aquaman to the lost kingdom gets from you.
[01:01:44] Maybe the column is called, what shape is Ben's mouth?
[01:02:43] It's a lad in giving them loaf to the kids, yes. Where you're like, you're on board,
[01:02:45] this guy's the rest of the movie.
[01:02:46] But so I like that, but I will sit, like, so I'm on board.
[01:02:49] And then he's still proud that he has only one left,
[01:02:52] he flips it, he has nothing.
[01:02:54] He's on the bench. He's on the drain, right?
[01:02:56] He's on the drain.
[01:02:56] But, and then of course we're following that up
[01:02:58] with Olivia Coleman's sequence, and obviously I'm just like,
[01:03:01] whatever you want.
[01:03:02] Yeah, but this is just, but right.
[01:03:03] But it's when we meet the. A big part of mighty booth. I thought he was very funny. Larry Chuckle's worth. A great character icon. Bob Fossil, he's my favorite wife be wonderful. I'm just like so happy. I know. I'm so happy to realize this that it's not going to be about reckoning with Willy Wonka's legacy with the oompa-loompas. It's not gonna be about like chocolate, you know,
[01:05:41] chemistry, right? It's not really gonna be about colonialism.
[01:05:44] It is going to be about income inequality. Yes. you know, Wonka should have like menace and mean streak and all of this stuff. But Wonka should have is just not a sentence I need completed. No, David, I totally agree, but I rewatched the gene wilder Wonka after seeing this. Melsuert, that's his name. They set up certain things that Wonka later that like the
[01:07:04] reading the fact that Wonka not being able to read I'm starting to start a different version. Let's sing number three, let's sing number three. My first thing is, I think Timmy is goodness. I wholeheartedly love that he did this. I think it rules that he did this. I think it rules that he killed it all. And I'm like, I think this is really encouraging for the sort of big picture long-term thinking
[01:08:21] of the kind of career he's building
[01:08:22] where it's like, you cannot just stay in the sullen zone.
[01:08:26] Like when he signed onical. I want 10, but there's a whimsical way to do that. My second thing is just it's not even the gene Wilder stuff. It's like, I want 10% more, just a little raw doll. Darkness nastiness, just a little bit. I think that's a great. I think they're
[01:09:40] in prison, in the basement.
[01:09:42] They try to drown them in chocolate.
[01:09:44] I bring it up only because I actually think
[01:09:46] Mighty Bush has that kind didn't like it. Okay. I don't like it either. Right. They both seem to enjoy it, have those gripes. Why am I not at the chocolate factory? Why is this happening? Why am I seeing the early part later? Yes. Aniktotally, this is the movie I think I have received the most holy shit have you seen Wonka yet text.
[01:11:01] Any movie this year?
[01:11:03] People, not to use this word, but normies,
[01:11:07] who don't see to prequel. I'm sick of Timmy. This looks too cutesy. And then it's a musical which they hid in the trailers.
[01:12:22] Which fingers other people in different ways.
[01:12:24] Why'd you hide it?
[01:12:25] And then some people...
[01:12:26] Because people like Ben don songs in this movie. I like the music just fine. I'm a big fan of Neil Hannon, who did the music from the Divine Comedy. But these songs are very like Aryan light. And like, they're not ear worms.
[01:13:40] They go down easy.
[01:13:41] And like it's in the whimsical vibe of everything.
[01:13:44] It's not like big brassy.
[01:13:46] It's another unfair comparison, lesson in it. I would agree with that. Who did the Willy Wonka songs? The original? Well, Anthony Newley. Anthony Newley. There you go. Did he write all of them? Well, I can't. I can tell you he wrote pure imagination. Yeah, he did this. Yeah, he did this. From the garbage club. Kids movie. Sprinkle it with dudes. I mean, great song. They're a good song.
[01:15:00] Those are good.
[01:15:01] Right.
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[01:17:42] Free breakfast for life. Free breakfast for life. Yeah. And then Paul Loompah, I'm seeing you. Yeah. Do you want to be? Do? Yeah. So yes, Wonka Rives at Chocolate Town USA, not USA Europe. He's got a rapidly decreasing number of silver sovereign. No money. He signs up to stay at an in run by Olivia Coleman as Mrs. Scrubbit. Having a blast with Tom Davis,
[01:19:04] I believe, who's who is the golden tickets and all that. Right. But, and then Matt Lewis, so that's Patterson Joseph, a great actor. I don't know how you feel about Patterson Joseph. I don't have a ton of familiarity with this past work. You never watch a peep show? No, I have. You're right. I'm sorry. I forgot. Johnson. He's like perfect in this.
[01:20:21] He's so so dialed into the tone of this movie.
[01:20:24] The thing with him, Ben, is he is like a ride race. He's right. He's right. He's prodd nose. And then my personal favorite, honestly, is Matthew Baynton as Felix Fickle Gruber, the guy who barfs anytime someone says poor. He hates poor people so much they make him a puke. That bit always got me. Yeah, it was funny.
[01:21:40] And they pay off Keegan-Michael Key,
[01:21:44] who is a police officer who to produce a good product. I think that's really big. Yeah, like, you know, it's like they're watering down their chocolate, it's not even that good. And like they're storing chocolate away from themselves.
[01:23:02] And it's also, it's the kind of thing
[01:23:03] where you're like, the shit where you find out,
[01:23:06] like, wait a second, like the 10 biggest eyeglass brands I had denied that of course that we're keeping him. And believe me, some stuff got cut out. But of course, Willie Wonka is also introduced as being the son of a lovely narrowboat. Sure.
[01:24:20] Lady sort of who I mean,
[01:24:21] Irish Sally Hawkins, maybe like an Irish traveler type per you.
[01:24:24] Oh, yeah.
[01:24:25] She's sewing, right?
[01:24:26] I don't know even though chocolate's she immediately takes a, you know, shine to one guy. They take a shine to each other. They do, yeah. And she, she's allowed to. Big brother, little sister. She's allowed, she is still enslaved. Like the rest of, you know, the. They've signed contracts. They're right in there. But she's allowed to leave the basement.
[01:25:41] She has to transport the laundry.
[01:25:42] Deliver the laundry.
[01:25:44] There were a couple of things where I was like,
[01:25:46] trying to describe this movie.
[01:25:47] And I was like, God, here's our giraffe. You never need to have a real giraffe on set. It is much more humane. And it's they've gotten to the point where it's seamless. I remember the Coen's talking about how the CGI cows in O'Botherwarot, though, were from Twister.
[01:27:05] Yeah. And I was like, that was the first time I learned that, that they were like, yeah, we just
[01:28:02] opens it up, it's all these contraptions and whistles. And then there's like the Nickelodeon at the center of it
[01:28:05] that shows the flashback to his mother.
[01:28:08] I'm like, this is like, Paul King has his style
[01:28:10] so established.
[01:28:12] They add grain and imperfections.
[01:28:14] So that's what really looks like,
[01:28:16] you know, they do a good job of making the memories.
[01:28:18] But it's very similar to the Paddington.
[01:28:19] Like I'm explaining the family to you
[01:28:21] through showing the dollhouse.
[01:28:24] Just the other Paul King thing of like,
[01:28:25] there's no small characters. crazy and making up because they have this whole complicated gas of like right. Noodle is is sneaking Willie out in the laundry cart. He's on the chocolate on the streets going straight to people, direct to consumer. And then meanwhile, because the dog is now running the laundry machine, all the other scrub scrub friends are running the business and the other app. Jim Carter is the accountant and they're all like doing the orders.
[01:29:43] Collectively in this together to get to the point where they made enough money to buy back their Mr. Bean having a to do with a giraffe. Well, I was trying to think are there any other Rowan accents in giraffe? Not that I know of. My giraffes are hard to rustle up. That's why I felt I was like, oh, like. Johnny English for his side picks should be a giraffe. They should make it. There are some funny Johnny English's. Yeah, there's three. Oh, my God. He must collect so much just on fucking Zazu. Oh, that's before Blackadder and Mr. Bean.
[01:31:02] I mean, anything else he's ever done.
[01:31:04] I've told this story before, but Ernie Sabelo,
[01:31:06] the great Ernie Sabelo who I worked with Broadway legend what happened in this movie to people. He farts and then the fart cloud turns into a memory. Oh yeah. Which I thought was a beautiful transaction. No, can I say something? Please. And this is not something Ben's gonna have to cut out. I promise. Ben's fingers are hovered over the keyboard, right Ben?
[01:32:20] Put your hands behind your bed and lean back, relax.
[01:32:24] What do you wanna say?
[01:32:25] We still haven't talked about Aquaman. like this is him being like, I know I'm being funny by playing the role of sour puss. Yeah, I just keep seeing people say he hates that he's in this movie. I'm like fucking Paul King directed his best performance ever. That's the thing. He loves him. He wants to be in this movie. I'm sure he found the process. He is like in it. Yes. Let me just talk about you for a minute.
[01:33:40] Obviously early Hugh, Maurice, Larry, the white worm, right, you know, young baby
[01:33:44] face, doing already movie, this'll do one of these every three years. And then of course he is in a monument to evil, a film called Love Actually, one of the worst films ever made. I agree. And then he phones in a Bridget Jones sequel. He does American Dreams, which is like a really interesting movie
[01:35:01] that doesn't totally work, but he put it in.
[01:35:03] It is an interesting movie.
[01:35:04] And it's again him being kind of like,
[01:35:06] it's like how?
[01:35:07] Right, so it's like Hugh Grant is going to come
[01:36:23] in and sprinkle gold all over And now, a Wanka. It's just like, this is all I want from him. I want him to stay here forever. Yes. I'm worried he's gonna try and show us somewhere else. You want to keep him in a little glass jar. You do. To entertain you. I was not expecting him to sing the actual Oompa-loompa.
[01:37:41] I'm kind of singing, you know,
[01:37:42] get at least give me a few bars.
[01:37:44] But I was not expecting, like Oompa-loompa,
[01:37:46] it's one of these things. I'm like, this is, it's the kind of performance I'd love to argue
[01:39:01] for a best supporting blankie nomination,
[01:39:03] but it's a stacked category and it's not quite enough.
[01:39:06] He's sparse.
[01:39:08] It's like wholly new. The new things are-
[01:40:20] It's Barbie, it's Wonka.
[01:40:21] It's a thing we have familiarity with, but it's like a new version of it.
[01:40:25] It's a thing that we haven't seen in a while.
[01:40:28] Like that helps too. It's not just reserving it to me, it's recontextualizing, it's putting new elements into it, putting new ingredients in the chocolate. You know? When that song at the end, and Noodle is being reunited with her mom. Oh my God. Pure imagination you're saying? When they kick in, pure imagination. Oh my God, the use of pure imagination in that moment.
[01:41:40] Destroy it.
[01:41:41] It's fucking lovely.
[01:41:43] It really is.
[01:41:44] It's lovely, yeah.
[01:41:44] It's a good ass song.
[01:41:45] Yeah.
[01:41:46] It is a nice song.
[01:41:47] Yeah. People are like, do you not understand like math? Yeah, also exactly, right. The moral, the whole season is this weird like fucking steroids. Like if something opens to whatever, it multiplies so crazy. I mean, here's the example. So all the people who dug up the menu of the steak, OK, they're wrong. Because I said on the story, it was a special.
[01:43:01] It was a special.
[01:43:02] I didn't know the price.
[01:43:03] Yes.
[01:43:03] It's not the regular.
[01:43:05] It's not the regular state.
[01:43:06] Right.
[01:43:06] They were offering you a fancy steak.
[01:43:08] Yeah. But it is this thing where like any usual role of multiplier disappears.
[01:44:21] If you have a movie that appeals to families that comes out and is in that Christmas to New Year stretch where people are stuck in homes together
[01:45:22] Number three at the box is a film we covered. Rachel, be on the show again soon.
[01:45:23] It's a very soon.
[01:45:25] It's a film we've covered.
[01:45:26] Very soon, in fact.
[01:45:27] Yes.
[01:45:28] And when I say very soon, I mean two episodes from now.
[01:45:30] Yeah, very soon.
[01:45:31] Well, don't, okay.
[01:45:32] Well, come on.
[01:45:33] Number three is a film we've covered on the podcast.
[01:45:35] Yep, very soon.
[01:45:37] Boy in the hair.
[01:45:37] Yes.
[01:45:38] Doing great.
[01:45:39] Highs grossing G kids, highs grossing music, ever.
[01:45:42] It is so thrilling.
[01:45:43] It was thrilling to listen to that episode
[01:45:45] and have you guys completely Never five of the box off. Anyway, it's better than any of the other movies we've mentioned was directed by our friend. You should have lost and oh trolls and world look. I said it in recent episode. Fantastic. I'm underperforming. It still hasn't hit a hundred million dollars in a month. No, it hasn't. It's made 90.
[01:47:00] It's just like creeping.
[01:47:02] Have you made 90 million dollars this year?
[01:47:04] This year?
[01:47:05] No.
[01:47:05] In any previous year?
[01:47:07] No, collectively crossed my entire life.
[01:47:08] Not even close. Yeah, go check it out. It's still playing. Yeah. And number 10, poor things. You've seen poor things yet? I haven't yet. We have a lot of people in there. I see it with a print. This like post Christmas pre-New Year's week is going to be me just going to every movie theater in Texas watching whatever is available to me because I have not seen anything besides LACWIMAN, Aquaman II and Wonka.
[01:48:20] I hear movie theaters are bigger in Texas.
[01:48:23] Everything's bigger in Texas.
[01:48:24] It's getting a phone call.
[01:48:25] This is a great time to take a break anyway.
[01:48:27] Yes.
[01:48:28] Is this the lowest guy? that evolve, like it's definitely not a manual or anything like that. It's not an instruction manual, but it's a film that I would enjoy watching. It's a vibrant and authentic depiction of the Agony's Ecstasy's and Rider-Dye glory of young female friendship. It's a good movie. I've seen it. It seems like my kind of thing. The BAFTA nominee for British Film of the Year. It was at Sundance, it was at Cannes. It's gotten incredible reviews and it's playing in theaters and it is a cool movie to see
[01:49:43] in theaters because it is very sensory.
[01:49:46] It is, you know, the critics screenings happened Thursday morning. No, I think it was Wednesday night, but it was one of those things where it was like, do I see it with the critics a night before I can just see it with regular folk all the way uptown versus just going to the alamah draft house with my friend, Marie.
[01:51:04] Okay.
[01:51:05] And in honor of a film about brother anyway, because it was so funny. Griffin and I saw it in 40 acts. We did, we got. Drenneston. We did, you know what? You'd be surprised to hear that in fact. They were too cowardly to spray us down in the piss moments. I got pissed, Ben, I turned to you and you kept on like a personal.
[01:52:20] Filling your hands up.
[01:52:20] The piss moments.
[01:52:22] Like I got nothing.
[01:52:23] I definitely got piss in the face
[01:52:25] when the Aquaman was peed on.
[01:52:27] I got water spread.
[01:52:28] Really? She's a listener of the podcast. She was trying to just, you know. But she was just in the chair, which is shaking. Water being squirted in her face. Yeah. A 3D movie, her glasses are not on. She's just looking down to her phone while the chair is shaking her. And then about halfway through the movie, she took out a series of bags that all had different prepped foods. Including a wrapped sandwich.
[01:53:40] Right.
[01:53:41] She took out like Tupperware that was wrapped in like tin foil.
[01:53:44] She was having a fucking ball of a time.
[01:53:46] Yeah.
[01:53:47] How crowded was the theater? I got a bucket of popcorn and that sprits water into it. You liked it. Look, Ben said, did you like that when the movie ended? And I went, this is exactly the kind of, this is the flavor of silly bullshit I enjoy. You knew that you were gonna have the best time seeing Aquaman in the Lost Kingdom in 4DX
[01:55:02] getting pissed all over your face.
[01:55:03] I just think this movie,
[01:55:05] like this is what we like this movie doesn't matter. Well, let me unpack this. Let me unpack this, okay? Quantomania is a perfect example for me. And I don't think it's the worst Marvel movie, but it's like 50% like, isn't that funny?
[01:56:23] And 50% like Meat King, the most important like cipher, like you don't understand my tragic backstory of what happened when I was trapped in the quantum realm. Like it's the worst version of both things. I think none of the comedy in this movie really works,
[01:57:41] but I also think the comedy in this movie
[01:57:42] is more of the like bad that's got a hurt
[01:57:46] and then that cuts to like a montage of him having the best night with all these salty fishermen.
[01:59:02] And you're like, that is the-
[01:59:03] I'm smiling thinking about it.
[01:59:05] But that's the exact midpoint of-
[01:59:07] Yeah.
[01:59:08] This is a party dude. in the preamble to all this, the start of this episode, four hours ago. You know, like four cups of one delicious, come to list. Guys, I'm starting to crash hard. Slosh, slosh. Yeah, well, why did you guys drink? Time for another cup. Thank you. I just wanted to say when I poured it down the drain, a little green goblin came out like, like, look, the first cup you have to get up,
[02:00:22] the second cup you have just to get even.
[02:00:24] At a certain point, you're just striving to maintain even.
[02:00:27] I feel like I'm a chocoholic now. don't have to them where they're sort of selling the confidence of like, you guys are in on this, right? Marvel's You Feel the Panic. This movie, which didn't screen for critics until 24 hours before it came out, as of last night there were only like six reviews of Rotten Tomatoes. It has been re-shot a zillion times and like gone through iterations of whatever story was. It's gonna be the most like shambled,
[02:01:41] like cut together from Four Corpses,
[02:01:43] as Frankenstein, like, cut down movie.
[02:01:45] It's under two hours.
[02:01:47] I do think this movie does not And I think most of that shit looks cool. My guess is that at all points in the production of this film and writing of this film, it had these elements which are present in the film. Aquaman is the king. He needs to go on a buddy cop, tango and cash style adventure with Orm. Two fight, Black Manta, the villain we seeded in the first film who will now be the main villain
[02:03:01] in his, you know, God Imagine Triton.
[02:03:03] Right, and this element of Aquaman's settled down.
[02:03:06] He has a wife, he has a child now.
[02:03:07] There he is pitch, right?
[02:04:20] And it's set up in the first movie, right?
[02:04:22] But like he obviously loves Patrick Wilson
[02:04:25] and was like, I, it seems like they're maybe onto something. It's working, they've owned different tones. These two movies made a lot of money. Aquaman made a ton of movie, money. A ton of movie. Right. And it felt like the context Fallon and Momoa were trying to put out there was like, this is not a sequel that no one demanded. We know it's five years later and things feel different
[02:05:41] and now everyone's confused by it.
[02:05:43] But this was not wheeled into the world
[02:05:45] as a movie that no one wants to make. of a like, I don't want to do another Aquaman unless you take my story ideas seriously. I will say to Momoa's credit, his main interests seem to be I want to use this character to communicate larger themes of global warming and a human responsibility, which is a noble cause. But he there there does feel like from the beginning, there were these two things of
[02:07:00] one being like, here's the sequel disrupted. There's all kinds of very. I know, like the one you think is like a currents, like, is that really affect them? I guess. Yes. Because currents carry cold water to warm areas of warm air here to cold waters. It's part of basic ecology. No, but I mean like the people of Atlantis.
[02:08:20] I don't understand. Are you asking me
[02:08:22] how to evaluate how climate change would affect the lives
[02:08:25] of magic made up people? who are former fish people now live in the desert and they drink blood because they don't have any water and they only have enough blood slash water to keep them alive, but they're very dry. Yeah, I mean, this movie is swings
[02:09:40] pretty extremely between wet and dry.
[02:09:43] Which the first movie did too?
[02:09:44] There's desert stuff in the first movie.
[02:09:46] But this has the fish people. No, no, that's the fishermen kingdom who are basically like mermaid coated. No, no, no, I know that. That's the Jamanhunsu kingdom from the first note. I believe so. I can't even remember Shai Wanh. But, Orm is in prison controlled by the fish people because he killed the fish king in the first movie. He is in prison for killing a fish person.
[02:11:02] But they're not desert people are the ones who.
[02:11:04] They said that the fish kingdom has jurisdiction
[02:11:07] over this desert. Too dry. He's too dry. Then he has to lay down in the water. Yeah. He's crawling towards it because those fuckers are going to get him. And he's got to get a motion.
[02:12:20] David Simgoes, oh, it's going to be like one of those things like those sponge things
[02:12:24] like big.
[02:12:25] Yeah. You know, where he's like, I can do anything. He directed an insidious movie this year, Ben. And it was like a box of his hip.
[02:13:40] Yeah, the red door, the red door.
[02:13:42] Yeah.
[02:13:42] That's awesome. Great for him.
[02:13:43] He's just one of these guys who honestly, yeah, who like Marston has one of these careers.
[02:13:47] I love where it's like, this's doing his best in that one. That's a pretty boring thing. He's currently an Oklahoma on Broadway. He's taking over the huge accent role. He's in Watch. He's the Night Owl. Yes, well, that's Zack Snyder also loves him. Yeah. It's true. The two DC universe guys both like him. But you know why they like him? Talented.
[02:15:00] Just a nice, so fucking reliable.
[02:15:04] Did you give him a supporting actor nomination
[02:15:06] that year for the first Aquaman?
[02:15:07] Pro warm.
[02:15:08] I know you solid in it. He does a better job as a director in that movie than he does as a movie star. Right. What interesting about that movie is his directing style and his performance. And Jonathan Majors, who I'm checking here as a person who doesn't exist anymore, is clearly the one who's got the kind of energy in that film that Jordan had 10 years ago where when we were just like, well, this guy undeniably the movie star of his generation.
[02:16:24] Right.
[02:16:25] He is the dude.
[02:16:26] And it's just like he's of the movie, which I think is really valid needs to be given its space. Okay, Ben's nodding very seriously. There was a final image Ben was waiting for that didn't happen and he walked out of the theater genuinely angry. Okay, well, okay. It wasn't a bit. It was a like, it's when Ben gets really frustrated. Ben is just against us. I know it. I know that Ben face.
[02:17:40] Yeah, you know that we all know the energy.
[02:17:42] Ben's mouth is in a tight frown right now.
[02:17:44] Oh God, the op-ed he would write.
[02:18:41] I just watched Aquaman one. That same day?
[02:18:42] No, the night before.
[02:18:43] Okay.
[02:18:44] And I was not super into it.
[02:18:47] The movie starts, and it starts,
[02:18:51] both movies start the same way,
[02:18:53] which is like someone getting like,
[02:18:56] canted angle pushed against a wall,
[02:18:58] like in the middle of action.
[02:19:00] It really is exciting to watch.
[02:19:03] And the first movie opens with Nicole Kidman,
[02:19:05] like doing a lot of DC movies are putting absolutely insane wackadoo comic book imagery on screen without any concern for looking cool in any like tough way. Like they're finally realizing like the fucking unicorn shit in
[02:20:24] Shazam. I think there's a lot of years later, that movie was a huge hit. Yeah. If this movie had come out three years later, or if the trench had gotten green-lit between,
[02:21:41] it could probably go with that of like,
[02:21:44] let's get a little deeper.
[02:21:45] Absolutely.
[02:21:46] Let's get a little more into the world building. So we're in Antarctica, we're below the ice. We go below the ice in America. We go to their version of Moss Eyes like cantina, you know, the like, what Ben said is this is like a wet Max Rebo ban. A hundred percent, you know, they've got that. And then they have the jungle where everything's too big. They're these fucking great like octopus ships that look like the castle in the sky robots
[02:23:04] with the segments.
[02:23:05] Yeah, no, that's just all cool.
[02:23:06] But I feel like it's not even that I want in them to go into the lore or explaining it. It's just that this movie is so rushed and overstuffed that I'm like, I just wanna sit with this stuff more. Yeah. So Joey's complaint, if I can air hit, he says like, he said too much throat clearing at the first hour. Because he was kind of like,
[02:24:21] don't give me just like black Manta's same plot line again,
[02:24:26] which is essentially-
[02:24:27] See crime. We both, this movie is so cursed and it's so lost in the franchise bullshit that we, I don't know if we had high expectations, but I think we were both going and being like, look, we want to have fun. No one's even minding the story anymore. Right. James Wan's probably going to get to do what he wants. That's my thing. I'm like, all these stories of them going in for reshoots at the point where this thing
[02:25:41] is clearly DOA and they're going to dump it.
[02:25:43] I'm just like, let James Wan just put out whatever the fuck he wants.
[02:25:46] If you're telling me nothing matters after this scar, I thought the movie was about to pull the like, anyway, she's gotta go to a water hospital, like bye bye, me or not. And by the way, everybody say bye bye. Even the point where she gets scarred, I'm like, she's been in it more up until this point.
[02:27:01] She's had a line.
[02:27:01] She's been led to believe.
[02:27:02] And then like she comes back for the last act of the movie
[02:27:05] and she's there the whole time.
[02:27:06] Fuckin' shootin' tornadoes at people,
[02:27:08] just like give exposition. Which is also sort of what Nicole Kidman does. And Nicole Kidman. Yeah. Amber Heard's in the movie More Than Nicole.
[02:28:20] And Nicole is committed.
[02:28:21] I agree.
[02:28:22] God bless her.
[02:28:23] She is.
[02:28:24] When she shows up 20 minutes into the movie, riding a robot shark arc of people being like, they're breaking them back as well. And then the Boa Fett series happens and they're like, why did they throw it? That all happens in the five years. When the first movie came out, there had not been a single Star Wars TV show. Are fans ever happy about anything anymore?
[02:29:41] I know they're never happy anyway,
[02:29:42] because fans is just a word for complaining people.
[02:29:45] Also the world is bad.
[02:29:47] Yeah, the world's kind of bad. The Khloan Wars fans happy. It is so clear at this point that basically from return of the Jedi on, every single thing that Star Wars comes out is contentious. And if it's not contentious, it's because it's like the deeper nerd shit that is happening off to the side of like, do you know the Khloan Wars got really good in season three? And it's like the public at large is not dealing with that as well.
[02:31:00] But that's the whole thing that those guys are like, you know what's good Clone Wars?
[02:31:03] And then they're like, okay, okay, we spent $800 million making Clone Wars live action a lot of it. But part of it is accepting that it's like it's never going to make you feel the same way as when it was new. Oh, God. I think Ben and I are both like tapped out right now. But it's so everything we're saying is so. This is also how we used to end every December of the podcast was not having a deal with Star Wars.
[02:32:20] Some fucking Star Wars.
[02:32:21] Right.
[02:32:22] There's some Pavlovian trigger right now in us doing a late December episode.
[02:32:25] And instead it's like we don't have to deal with Star Wars. out until the trailer. Sure. There became this narrative of the reason the movie went through so many reshoots and got rewritten, pushed back for so long, is that in James Wan's original version, they killed the baby. And in test screenings, people got so upset that they stormed out and they had to fight him to take the baby murder out of the movie
[02:33:40] and rebuild the entire film.
[02:33:42] No way. No way. No way.
[02:33:44] What the fuck are you talking about?
[02:33:47] I believe in the mirror. It's another thing for him to just be grimacing at a baby and then have the door shut. Yeah, I was watching. And Randall Park's just standing there being like, should I quit? There's just some time.
[02:35:01] For people who don't see this movie,
[02:35:03] Randall Park who played Steven Shin in like one scene
[02:35:06] of the first arc around.
[02:35:07] He's the post credit scene. Everyone's got these matching leather jumpsuits with red piping. Everyone else is in black man to uniforms. Even Shin, like I said, is in his half zip. And like literally there's like evil buttons that basically could just say like death on them. You know, and they will then storm, you know, Atlantis and be like shooting things. And black man told me like, kill them, like fire the weapon.
[02:36:22] They cut to black man.
[02:36:23] And he goes, I like this.
[02:36:24] This makes me happy.
[02:36:26] And Stephen, she'll go like, hey, I just had to fake this, please. Kidnap me, let me join you guys. I don't like what's going on here. And they're like, no, we're gonna filibuster your character for further. We're gonna knock you out. Yeah, this sucks. But leave you here. Right, Arthur's like, no, fuck this guy, Norm's like, no, it's fine, like whatever. But you think the argument they're having is, do we kill him or do we let him join us?
[02:37:42] The thing the movie has been like,
[02:37:44] blaying for so long.
[02:37:46] And then they're like, neither. that infrastructure, they have to get the secret. What was it called? Ork something? Ork, orkum. No, orkalcum. Look, what they said. Can I say my song lyric because I was proud of it? Yes, go ahead. So sorry. Ben, can you like do like sort of what the music sounds like? Da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, Tried and so good, it made you go crazy. Is that it?
[02:39:00] Girlfriend?
[02:39:01] Anything else?
[02:39:02] I'll laugh and, yeah.
[02:39:03] Again, to be clear, the pot of ac, all right.
[02:39:05] Here's the pot of, I'm will be crazy. Right. And he's for a flexion. He doesn't really get to be a character. He's like decaying lost kingdom dead ruler who bends that geese turt. Yeah. He said he looks like a goose turt. Like Yaya Abdul-Mantin is great in both of these movies because he has like automatic presence.
[02:40:20] Right.
[02:40:20] He does.
[02:40:20] Like and in my opinion, I said this to Marie.
[02:40:23] I may have said this on the last episode.
[02:40:24] Like Black Manta is one of my all time favorite comic book
[02:40:28] designs ever. What is his character's name? King Fish. I mean, I like, he lives in a pirate haven called The Sun Considered Hill that's made out of shipwrecks. Yes. Where people drink and corrals and smuggle. He's got a band. Was that where the lady was singing? A hot-crestation band, was I saying. I like the lady Fish singing her song. Yeah, I get very maus-sized Lee Cantina. It's also cool that they're drinking underwater.
[02:41:40] I agree.
[02:41:41] Hot-crestation band, you bring up, okay?
[02:41:43] Over the last five years, we have had Avatar the Way of Water.
[02:41:46] Yeah.
[02:41:47] The Two Aquaman movies.
[02:41:48] Little Mermaid looks so fucking shitty, because these other three movies all take different approaches
[02:43:02] to it, and all three of them work in different ways,
[02:43:05] and then I was watching fucking live action,
[02:43:07] Little Mermaid clips, and then it's like five months later, the oceans are boiling. Climate change is going wild in America in the earth. Really bad news anchors are delivering, you know. Yes, I'm like five minutes of work news anchors are like, you know who I should get for this form. And everyone's like, fucking warm? No. And he's like, look, I don't like him either, but I want to get him. So their dynamic becomes or I'm being like, I hate you. And him being like, I do too, but here you are on the mission. I brought you on too. Like it's a little weird that they're not placed together that he in fact is going behind everyone else's back
[02:45:42] to pull into the story, the guy that he also dislikes.
[02:45:45] And it's just kind of being an asshole towards, He's like, get Wilson, we gotta go. Yeah, and I just like grown. I catastrophic choice this movie makes is to have a joke where they call out their dynamic being similar to Loki and Thor by name. It's, he makes that joke. He says, ask him and one second later, I'm like, stop making pop culture. You have to stop. You live under the sea.
[02:47:00] You must stop.
[02:47:03] I think this is a good moment to talk about Ben's biggest
[02:47:06] gripe with second movie. So we're going to get a fucking extended solo. Totally. I would agree. This movie shows us- You should be going a kolung. This movie shows us-
[02:48:20] shows us David.
[02:48:21] David gets 50 comedy points.
[02:48:24] This movie shows us a different hot crustacean ban.
[02:48:28] It does. and start spinning. He was so fucking upset. And then the end of the movie, there's a moment where you're like, oh, it feels like it's gonna happen now. Film cuts to directed by James Wan. Ben is like, are you fucking kidding me? How did they not do it? And I'm like, I don't know Ben and credit scene. And he's just like, I don't understand how they didn't fucking throw in a plane to draw.
[02:49:40] It's a fucking home run.
[02:49:42] It's the easiest thing to do.
[02:49:44] It's all the things that we have to see. Okay, so I'm guessing that that means you didn't really like the seahorse riding or like you couldn't really enjoy Did Ben have a note on the seahorse riding? No, he wasn't not enjoying this stuff in real time because he was holding out hope that at some point they would deliver Ben Cheers. Now. Wow. I have no idea. Guess we got to get James Gunn on the phone. Yeah. I'll come in three green light it. We need octopus drums. We need wet hay. We need answers on food. Anything else? No. Okay. Fine. You're happy with those.
[02:52:22] I want to see all versions of Batman scenes. I not bringing in any of the Burton energy. What we have nostalgia for is not just that guy playing Batman. It's that whole world. He's hot as hell in the movie. He is hot as hell in the movie. And I think he does good work, but I also think it kind of misunderstands the value of him as Batman. And I think similarly, Scott Garrett and podcaster ride, our friend, talked about like when
[02:53:42] Clooney comes in at the end of flash, you're like, this means nothing.
[02:53:46] This is not Joel Schumacher Batman. He's gonna do it. He's gonna help. He'll help him. He'll help him. Look, I hate to give you credit for anything, but this is why you were right to stand firm on doing an Aquaman episode to end the year. Be able to say Orm 20 minutes. Orm. For 20 minutes of a recording, instant cold. He's so naughty. I liked the beats of the final sequence. Like I like, it's like, okay, Orm grabs the Trident.
[02:55:01] He is then tempted by evil, obvious.
[02:55:03] Sure. Right?
[02:55:04] And then Aquaman of the movie is fucking Arthur being like introducing himself to United Nations. And I'm just like, I can't believe this is how this ends. I don't see a lot of these movies and by these movies, I mean... Black Panther has the exact same image. Yes. I mean like, you know, major comic book movies. I did see Black Panther.
[02:56:20] Yeah.
[02:56:21] And I'm like, this is just...
[02:56:22] Yeah, it's just the same fucking...
[02:56:23] It's literally the same thing.
[02:56:24] And also, again, I'm sure it's so good. It's so good Farewell, that's what we have to say goodbye to Aquaman I I've enjoyed a lot of my time with you. Goodbye to the DC universe Okay, let's all An action figure that I'm not saying when then push down on the handle to flush
[02:58:42] I'm a little worried. You know, you should be.
[02:58:44] Joker's the clown prince of crime.
[02:58:46] The box office.
[02:58:47] He laughs at the things that make other people correct.
[02:58:48] He does.
[02:58:49] It's crazy.
[02:58:50] The box office for this, I guess it seems our command will be a soft number one, but it's
[02:58:54] going to have Wonka like kind of right on its tail.
[02:58:57] Deadline just didn't update.
[02:58:59] The box office productions now are six tickets.
[02:59:02] Just Ben, David, Marie, Joey and Griffin.
[02:59:06] Plus vaping lady with the milk. live action, movie star, romcom. If that movie can make a little profit, I'll be very happy. And I think number five is gonna be either Boi and the Heron or Iron Claw, Iron Claw opening slightly more limited, but it has a 2100 rather than the sort of, I'm gonna be in Texas for the entire whole day.
[03:00:21] Oh, you have to see it.
[03:00:22] I'm like, it's gonna be perfect.
[03:00:24] A24 was like, if you wanna come to the premiere in Dallas,
[03:00:27] we'll fly you out.
[03:00:28] And I was like, oh, I just want to put it on main. Your thing about like they either have to sacrifice the patents in Batman or fold it into the gun universe. I mean, I don't care, but I feel like someone's going to care like on the business side. I agree. Here's my other thing. I just think and it's like a kill your babies thing in
[03:01:41] a way that James one would never do as acomic character I want to play and I've put them on the board and people know where to find me. I think he's a good director and I tend to like his movies and I'm excited for him to make a super manual. Yeah. So that's what the how I feel. I like comic books. If this goes back to there's two comic book movies a year and I get to enjoy them, that's fine by me. Yeah, but I also think like it is fascinating that DC has nothing next year
[03:03:03] and Marvel has one movie.
[03:03:05] Yeah.
[03:03:06] Well, it's the movie, Griffin.
[03:04:02] Do you have an answer? I understand.
[03:04:02] I want to hear your answer first.
[03:04:05] I think it was, I mean, I had a lot of great times
[03:04:07] at the movies this year, but my divorced parents
[03:04:12] taking me to see Barbie opening weekend
[03:04:15] while we all wore pink was a very special thing for me.
[03:04:20] That is nice.
[03:04:21] Really brought me back to feeling like a kid.
[03:04:23] Like feeling like a kid again, right.
[03:04:24] In a good way.
[03:04:25] And I thought the whole Barb and Hymer weekend Look it's pretty cool. It's probably a thing that will come up in our Blenke's awards episode three months from now. I cried for the entire second half of fallen leaves Which sort of felt like the most profound movie going experience. I had this year. I'm glad you felt so good about it Yeah, the best it rolls. I can't wait to see it I do think the hottest movie going experience
[03:05:42] I had this year friend of the podcast were Lando Ollie and I get to have, but then you sometimes will lack the like, what you're talking about.
[03:07:01] Oh, he listened to him go, and then,
[03:07:04] but like Dungeons and Dragons I saw by myself Juggernaut filmmakers all releasing something really interesting. You had written up a 10 that like acknowledged all 10 and then you sent your editor like it like, should I just like fucking freestyle and not feel the need to like hit all the big notes and Did a list that was kind of half and I called in my wallet list because it was serious upfront and silly in the back Because like the top four was like Oppenheimer flower moon boy in the hair and asteroid city
[03:08:24] Sure, and then I tried to just put other things that I found interesting or fun
[03:09:22] expected people to vote for. And I think it was really fun. Boils, a guy you've wanted to do forever.
[03:09:23] Exactly. What a blast.
[03:09:27] Anyway, so next year, good release.
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[03:09:45] It's long.
[03:09:46] We're cutting out a bunch.
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