Zero Dark Thirty with Demi Adejuyigbe

[00:00:01] Blank Check with Griffin and David, Blank Check with Griffin and David Don't know what to say or to expect All you need to know is that the name of the show is Blank Check It's their West Point. How close is it to the house? About a mile.

[00:00:25] 4,221 feet. It's closer to 8 tenths of a mile. Who are you? I'm the motherfucker that podcasted this place, sir. You're an idiot is what you are. I am, that is true. Hello everybody, my name is Griffin Neuman.

[00:00:40] I'm David Sims. This is a podcast called Blank Check with Griffin and David. We were hashtagged with two friends. We were two friends to do a podcast and that's a competitive event because no one else can say that about their podcast. Don't you dare deny it. I won't.

[00:00:53] This is a podcast about filmographies. Directors who have had massive success early on in their careers and were granted a series of blank checks to make whatever. Crazy passion projects they wanted. Sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce. Motherfucker.

[00:01:08] Your iPad opened Twitter during your whole spiel. It took that long. My iPad is moving slowly. It's got a real Gandolfini kind of gait to it. It's breathing heavily. Yeah, your iPad. It's taking its time getting it. Open Twitter like Gandolfini taking a seat.

[00:01:24] Yeah, hold on. I want to get in the app. That's bad. That's bad. That's bad. I thought it was fantastic. Michael Hellman does a good Gandolfini. That's the only one I can think. I feel like other people can do Gandolfini. I feel like after a while.

[00:01:35] I've heard good Gandolfinis. It's kind of high-pitched though. You got to go like, it's like Casey Affleck with 300 more pounds. You know what I mean? It's like it's like it's a very specific thing. Yeah, we've already taught. I made the joke when we did our interstellar episode,

[00:01:49] but I still can't get over how in interstellar the boy goes up five octaves when he ages. Yeah, there's the cut when you're seeing like the aging videos that... Hey dad, how you doing? Got a B in chemistry or whatever.

[00:01:59] Hey dad, it's me. I'm 28 now. I'm Casey. Hey, how's it going? Oh, Fomin's hot. It's like crazy. He's not coming back, Murph. Murph, he's not coming back. He's not coming back. And also, Tophra Grace isn't in it at all. He's in it.

[00:02:16] I always remember that he's in it because it struck out to me so much in the movie that he was in it for such a little time that I was like, just don't have him. And there's... I believe there's no actual like introduction.

[00:02:27] She's just sort of walking down a hallway and he's like, hey, I got this file for you or whatever. You're like, it's Tophra Grace. Did he just like water on set? I saw you guys talking about interstellar the other day on Twitter

[00:02:35] and I decided to check out the trailer again. Cause I was like, I think I need to revisit this movie because I undervalued it the first time around. But in watching the trailer, I was like, is that David?

[00:02:44] Well, I saw Tophra Grace but then I was like, is that David O'Yellow? Yeah, David O'Yellow man. He's got one scene cast. Yeah. He's a high school principal in the apocalypse. He is indeed. Very concerned about textbooks.

[00:02:59] Matthew McConaughey has a whole like joke about his ass that he delivers where he's like it takes two numbers to measure your ass and only one to measure my son. It's like this very Christopher Nolan complicated joke which was actually just that was pre-roll.

[00:03:14] When they were blocky, he started describing David O'Yellow's ass. I'm going to come right at this guy. No, I was going to say are you ready? Oh no, I'm sorry. I'm not interrupting your joke. No, I was, it wasn't, I'm just kind of glad you did

[00:03:24] cause I started doing a McConaughey and then it was like, Oh, can you do it? I was just going to go, no, I got a great joke about a yellow O's ass if you want to roll on this one. But that's not. It's not bad. It was relaxed.

[00:03:33] It was very real. That's the problem. The only thing I can do is I can say MRI. Which you kill it and then MRI. My wife's MRI. They had a machine called NEMRA. Every Nolan movie has a thing about like someone's wife.

[00:03:48] It's true. There's a lot of dead women. Very true. Well, here's how's this for smooth transition? Why was Tofer Grace in there, Steller? Because Jessica Chastain read the script and she said if I'm kissing someone on screen, it's got to be Tofer Grace. Give me that venom, baby.

[00:04:05] Or I quit. And Jessica Chastain is the star of the movie that we're discussing today. The movie. What's... Movie. That was Gantelman. I was going to say it, but that's my Gantelman. Movie. This is a miniseries about the films of Catherine Bigelow. That's right. And it is called...

[00:04:25] Oh, that's why you were loading Twitter. Pod19, the Widowcaster. Damn right it is. Now at the time you listen this episode, we will be almost near the end of our miniseries. That's true. But we are recording this as the first episode of our miniseries. Yeah.

[00:04:37] The results are just in on our incredible miniseries name poll. It was between that and what was it? What was the other option? Zero podcast-y. Yeah, zero podcast-y. Which is the phone that we're talking about today. Now the reason we're doing this... Wait, no one said point cast?

[00:04:53] We like to have pod end cast. Okay, I got a hand up because it's a podcast. What about podcast? You have to say it out loud. A lot of people suggested instead of the hurt locker, the podcast. Yeah. Our fans are very creative and original. Pod-troit cast.

[00:05:12] They're good. Yeah, that would really land smooth. I think so. Welcome to Pod-troit cast. We have a great guest today who's already landed like five great jokes, which is what we love. We love it when our guests talk before we introduce them. But I said seven jokes.

[00:05:27] And he landed five great ones. He has been marking them off under the table. There's notches. This table is destroyed now. I'm interrupting my own introduction. No, no, but we... See, sometimes we talk for a while and our guest is saying they're silently

[00:05:39] and we kind of go like, Nah, you know, come on. We like to get them in there. You're not to do that with me. I'm here to interrupt. You're pro. You're pro because you're a podcaster yourself. That is true. A host of Gilmore Guys. Correct. TV writer. Yes.

[00:05:53] Written for at midnight in a good place. Well, I didn't write for at midnight. Okay, worked on at midnight. And then what... Is there a project you can say that you're working on right now? Secret TV project. Secret TV project. I just finished working on a TV show,

[00:06:04] but I'm not allowed to talk about it. Which sounds like such bullshit. Now, oh, that's true in the future. Maybe I will be allowed to say at least that it was a show on free form? That means nothing to a lot of people. Okay. Okay.

[00:06:17] The formerly ABC family currently a different name. Now what if... Sorry, I don't mean to bring up the ghost of ABC family. How dare you? Yes. What if by the time this podcast comes out, Freeform has changed their name again? I...

[00:06:29] Well, then no one will know what I'm talking about. It's fine. Because it was originally Fox family. It was Fox family. That was what had freaks and geeks. ABC family. Right. And then there was ABC family. I used to watch a show on ABC family.

[00:06:41] It's all I got for you. Yes. That was it. Demi DeGioive is here. Hello. Did I press it? He did. Everyone is always concerned about saying my last name wrong, but then most people get it right. Me? You did a great job. It is pretty phonetic.

[00:06:55] I think it's just one of those names where you second guess yourself. People get in their head. Yeah. And you're Griffin Newman. I'm Griffin Newman, which you'd be surprised how often people mess up my name. Really? People spell Griffin wrong. They give you an E there.

[00:07:07] I've seen that a lot. People call me Griffith a lot. Weird. That's a weird move. That's not a name. Yeah. I feel like anytime I start a new job, I have to spend the first five days correcting people. You ever just like, I'm going to go by Griff?

[00:07:22] I try to. I seriously try to avoid that and people still think I got this. Hold on one second. Griffith, walk in the set. Because you're like hearing it's like PAs who are like walking and they keep on saying your name over and over again.

[00:07:34] I just want to be like, uh, Griffith is a new boy. He is a brand new boy. I'm a new boy. Look at his shining face. Yeah. I haven't changed for weeks. You look like trash. I look like a homeless computer hacker.

[00:07:47] I look maybe more rundown than I've looked in years. Did you say that on stage? Because that's the kind of self deprecating stand up joke that I would see in an open mic. Yes, yes.

[00:07:58] That's one of my, uh, I don't want to brag, but that joke has gotten upwards of three laughs and an open mic. Closer. That's the one that you, uh, mind yourself hitting a home run to. Right. Right.

[00:08:09] Cause most comedians, the hack thing is you get up and you start out by going like, I know what you're thinking. This guy looks like, and you do that bit right up at the top. But I go, you got to close with that.

[00:08:18] You start out with hard hitting political material and then I go and I know what you thought. This guy looks like a homeless computer hacker. Thank you very much everybody. I'm Griffith new boy. If you predict their mindset for the last five minutes, it's like a magic trick.

[00:08:30] Like, whoa, that was what I thought. Can I pitch a tag? Please. So you're wearing a hat. I am wearing a hat after you do that joke. Then what you reveal is you've been wearing two hats the whole time. There's a smaller hat under me.

[00:08:42] That's a real Mr. Robot. Yeah. You can take that hat and a hat. You know, that's a great term favorite phrases. All the time. Like a pun on cat in the hat? It's like joke on a joke. Yeah.

[00:08:53] You know, it's like you're overwriting a hat and a hat. But it also works as like a cat in the hat kind of thing. Thing is what's the second hack? I think the second hack should be something like you've been grift on it.

[00:09:03] And then you reveal it and people are just like, whoa, okay, I've been grift. God. Can I go like total sidebar? I don't worry. Can you go further? Wait, was this main podcast? Yes. I'm going further. Are you feel?

[00:09:19] Rick Baker was hard to do the makeup for cat in the hat and they fired him like six weeks before production. But Welsh film. Right. They said his design was too disturbing. Haven't we talked about this? Maybe just off.

[00:09:34] Wait, so the thing they went with was the less disturbing. Which is so upsetting. The design in the movie is so upsetting. It looks nothing like the Seuss drawings. No. And B is really fucking creepy. Yeah. I like at least twice a year.

[00:09:48] I go, let me give it another shot and I go on to Google and see if anyone's leaked out images of the Rick Baker design. Those things will come out where it's like, oh, here's Nicholas Cage, a Superman costume. Yeah. 12 years later, it's on the internet.

[00:09:59] But he's never. I wish I could see fucking Rick Baker's cat in the hat design. We got to wait for Mike Myers to become like a serious actor and then all that shit. Right. Yeah.

[00:10:09] So the gong show has to go for four more years and then he's finally going to start his comeback. I mean, what's what's Mikey up to? I think we got to get a fincher on Love Guru too.

[00:10:17] Give it the spin that it needs to take the franchise seriously and have people go like, yeah. All right. Well, this is. I'm in. This is like. Paramount went to Fincher and they said, look, we got all these franchises. They gave him a big two. So perfect.

[00:10:30] And they were like, just stick it next to whatever title you like. You want one. Yeah. They said, monster trucks to meet creature again. Creepy creatures just hanging out. I tried to watch monster family Christmas. On a plane. And I was finally ready to meet.

[00:10:46] I was finally ready. I've had a, you know, a very emotionally and psychologically taxing year. Right. I've had a year that demanded a lot of me and I just kept on going. I don't know if I'm ready to meet creature.

[00:10:56] It's the same thing where like I'm not ready to watch handmade tail because I just feel psychologically fragile. Totally good comparison. And I'm not ready to meet. Yeah. He's a lot of monster. He's a lot of truck. Right. Well, women are the creatures. It's too. Absolutely.

[00:11:11] Which is a great phrase now that I'm going to get tattooed on my forehead. Right. Or you could say that creatures, the women of monster trucks. I think you should do it on both palms. So it should be women are the creature of the handmade still.

[00:11:24] It would be a one too. If I've ever feeling like, well, I don't want to free people out. You can just hold up the hand maids tail. I agree. Yes. Very good. Keep the creature behind my back. I tried to watch it and I was just so bored.

[00:11:39] It's just kind of whatever. I was ready for it to be really bizarre. Right. Isn't it essentially like it's just an alien comes and lives in a monster truck, but they call the movie monster trucks. He lives in a pickup truck that then becomes a monster truck.

[00:11:55] Because he's a monster. I feel like they should have just called it meat creche. They should have called it meat creche. I think it was just there was this one gif of him sliding out of the truck and like into Havoc's arms and sort of enveloping him.

[00:12:09] And people are like, wait, is this movie like a weird monster sex like squid movie? Is that what this is? So you got to be upfront with that. Exactly. It's been $100 million on subtlety. Yeah. You guys say January 17th fuck creche. That's got to be your tagline.

[00:12:22] That was the movie that Paramount took like a $150 million right back on. Right. Yes. Yes. But like three months before it came out, they were like, we're taking $150 million right down on a mystery movie.

[00:12:33] And it came out like three years after it was shot because much like the Rick Baker cat in the hat, they screamed it and kids were terrified by the design of creche. Oh, God. And they had to start over and reanimate all the monsters.

[00:12:45] That's what happens when you're so dumb. I feel like if kids are terrified by the design of screech then just like reshoots. That was the problem. They had Dustin Diamond. The first draft was Dustin Diamond is in the truck. Well, I don't understand why that's a little freaky.

[00:12:58] Because the kids, they all saw the tape. Right. But I mean they didn't even put him in the truck. They just opened the truck and he was there. He was living it. And they were like, ah, we got to cut that one scene in.

[00:13:08] It's going to cost us $100 million. Diamond's contract is foolproof. Isn't Diamond in jail now for stabbing a guy? Yeah. He definitely attacked someone. Is he in jail? I saw it. I'm googling. I saw a tape where he daggers someone. I'm sorry. No, it had to be.

[00:13:27] I mean I was wondering who was going to go there. It's just kind of boring. He's out of jail now. Oh, no, he's back in jail. He violated his probation. Sorry, it was a rollercoaster, Wikipedia page. It's weirdly like an environmental parable because it's about they find

[00:13:40] creeds when they're drilling for oil, they're fracking. And then they find creeds. So you're saying they do kind of fuck creed? They at least frack him. Wait, so they were like we want to really make sure this appeals to the kids,

[00:13:52] but we are going to introduce it with a spotlight about fracking. Well, Mark Ruffalo is a producer and he just, that's in his contract. He was like there's got to be an anti-fracking thing in this one. And they were like all right, man. All right.

[00:14:03] This is a podcast about Zero Dark 30 obviously. Sure. The movie Zero Dark 30, a film about the assassination of a samba in London. Also known as Meet Usama. That was the tagline. On January 15th. Get ready. Meet Usama. Great, great. We're professionals.

[00:14:20] Yeah, but this isn't the kind of thing that we're talking about. Right, we're professionals. Yeah, but this isn't the kind of movie that is like serious or anything. Like digs into any kind of weighty issues. No, it's a romp. I would call this a real romp.

[00:14:34] I think so. It's a two hour 37 minute romp. Right. And that's why John McCain protested this movie because he said too frivolous. Wait, did he really protest this movie? Too much fun. He said that it was evil.

[00:14:45] A bunch of the U.S. Senate got together and protested this movie along with several liberal members of the Academy. Like Ed Asner and Martin Sheen protested this movie. We're going to dig way into that.

[00:14:55] Man, I just, I feel weird where I kind of feel like I'm on a sort of similar ground as John McCain. You're with John E.M.? Wow. But we'll get to that. We'll get to that. Yeah. We'll get to that.

[00:15:08] This is like Katherine Bigelow's most traditional blank check movie even though Strange States fits into the blank check template. Yeah. But this is the movie where she's won Best Picture She's Got. That's what you're saying.

[00:15:18] And she's like, I'm going to do a movie about us not killing Bin Laden. Right. And then she's ready to go and then she's like, actually, sorry, let me get that back. I'm going to do a movie about how we killed Bin Laden because we just killed him.

[00:15:28] But they had like announced it. Her and Mark Cole were like, here's our thing and a perner acquired it. And this, that all happened like shortly after. They started casting it and then like six weeks after the movie was announced, we got Bin Laden.

[00:15:41] Wait, oh, so that wasn't a, oh wow. I'm not joking. It's truly crazy. I thought it was like the one they killed Bin Laden, they like fast-tracked the movie into production. Which they did. But they rewrote their whole movie. Wow.

[00:15:53] Because they were going to do this movie about how we almost got him in Torah Bora. Like right after, right at the start of the Afghanistan war. It was going to be like the zodiac of looking for Osama Bin Laden.

[00:16:02] And John Carol Lynch was going to play him. Yes. Was going to play Bin Laden? Yeah. Well, probably Bin Laden, but it's a little unclear. You don't know. Someone sees him in an airport bathroom and is like. He's got the same watch as Bin Laden.

[00:16:16] That is a movie I would actually, I think I would enjoy a little bit more. Zodiac? No. Yes, just zodiac. Oh, right. The movie about not getting Bin Laden. Yeah. Rather than the movie about how we shot him.

[00:16:29] But hey, look, they did have the problem of right, they're going to make this movie. They're ready to go on this movie. Now they can't make the movie. Right. And Mark Bowles like, look, I'll just rewrite 95% of it. It'll be fine. We'll make zero dark 30 instead.

[00:16:43] And he, according to INV Trivia did not get any additional compensation for rewriting the script, even though he essentially wrote a whole new start over from scratch. Rooney Marr was originally announced as playing the Jessica Chastain role, which I think was originally not the main character. Sure.

[00:16:59] Sort of a character in an ensemble. Right. And Joel Edgerton was going to play the Jason Clark character. Yes. That I knew they swapped them. It seems pretty interchangeable because those two guys look too similar. They look weirdly similar.

[00:17:11] Yeah, I don't think you should have them in the same movie. Well, it's almost weird when Edgerton shows up and doesn't do much. It's also very weird when, well, because apparently he dropped out because it was scheduling issue, but then he could take the smaller role. Right. Yes.

[00:17:24] But they're both craggy rock men. Yeah. Right? They both got mountain faces. Yeah. They both got big old foreheads. You could like plant a camp on or whatever. They both probably played orcs and something. Edgerton Ray is going to be an orc cop. Right. A twisted orc cop.

[00:17:41] Twisted. That will have come out by the time. Oh yeah. Right? I'm pretty sure that Wright is a Christmas release, which seems weird just the idea of people being like, come on, gather on the couch and let's hang with Will Smith and orcs. But that is... Edger Torque.

[00:17:57] Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Let's not ever talk about it again. That looks like a cross-generational movie though. It really does. It's a more quadrant populist kind of... You got the grandmothers who love Will Smith. You got the kids who love Will Smith.

[00:18:07] The parents who love Will Smith. You got the weird guys on Twitter who love Max Landis. That's... Yeah. It's just that's like 1% of Netflix's pie chart. And they're like, we need to get that pie. I'm up to my knees with those guys. You know what I'm saying?

[00:18:21] Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Unfortunately, I do. Unfortunately, Crash the Podcast. Crash the podcast. Crash the podcast. The podcast is collapsing. Well here's my prediction for December. Bright is not going to be good and I'm going to be bummed about it. It's on the record. Yeah.

[00:18:34] I love how David Ayer, when he was promoting Suicide Squad, was like, fuck Marvel and their baby shit. This is the real shit. DC. And now that he's promoting Bright, he's like, fuck DC and their baby shit. This is the real shit. R-rated Netflix orc movies.

[00:18:50] He's just going to be on Crackle Max. Just be hardcore porn starring himself. Fuck Netflix man. But he was this gritty LA cop drama guy who now is getting into fantasy genre stuff and keeps on going like, but not like that dumb shit that Doris likes.

[00:19:07] And he just, everything he does, he's like, all right, but it's cops too, right? He's like, we want you to direct a fantasy movie, but cops. Can't be about the LAPD though? Yeah. Michael Payne is in it. Come on, he owes me a favor. He'll do anything.

[00:19:28] All right. So this is the podcast with the movie Zero Dark Thirty. Zero Dark Thirty. Directed by David Ayer. Directed by David Ayer. Oh, I'm glad he didn't direct this one. He would just be like, all right, what if Osama was Hispanic? And had a gold AK.

[00:19:44] Remember that gold, yeah. Yes, I got it. Was that in- End of watch. Oh, end of watch. All right. The watch ended then. I don't know. Griffin, get me out of this. Stop just looking at me like that. End of watch.

[00:19:56] I wish I never saw the beginning of watch. Okay, that's a good one. That is a very good one. Thank you, David. The beginning of the watch, different movie. Yes. Also didn't like. No, let's not talk about that one. All right. No, we can. Zero Dark Thirty.

[00:20:09] Do you think it would be a better movie if you watched the first half of the watch and then watched the end of watch? Maybe, but you just be like, oh, Richard Ayer day is Jake Gyllenhaal now. That's like the worst rep programming ever.

[00:20:22] Someone gives me a weekend at the Metrograph and I'm like, all right guys. You got to stay. We're just back to back. The series is called Davies mix ups. Little Davies Sims. It's like you're a DJ for movies.

[00:20:39] It's like this one doesn't go into this one, but we're changing the mood. Listen, listen to the watch. Crossfading between the movies. Live by Knights of Rodan thing. This is just yeah. This is great. It's great. I don't want to talk about Abu Faraj Ali B either.

[00:20:58] I just read that name off my computer. Should we just make more of mix mumps like I robots? Oh, I get it. Thank you. So like the little Ewan McGregor tinker toy man, he's the one who's like trying to kill everyone. He's like ripping people's faces off.

[00:21:13] I think you're talking about with nail and I robots. Right. Which is when the Ewan McGregor robot is drinking with Richard E. Grant and Will Smith is trying to catch both of them. As he should. They need to be brought to justice. Scoundrels. Remember I robot.

[00:21:29] Remember those converses. Well, he did not murder him. He did not murder him. He did though, right? He did. He did. Hard for a dead. Which seems like a I hate that just because when they mark the movies like I did not murder him.

[00:21:41] I'm going to be like, ooh, I want to see that I want you to prove it. He's cool. I like this guy. I like this guy. He's 3D. He's all white. It's 2004. This is the future of bucket. Show me. It's good. That's a good movie.

[00:21:55] That's an underrated movie. I robot we should do pro-S. Yeah. I just watched the crow, which I had never seen. Dark city too. Dark city, which is like a major influence on like a lot of better movies. It sucks that that came out like just before the Matrix.

[00:22:08] I know. He also made God's of Egypt. He did, which is quite a movie. Did he make something between that and my robot? He made knowing where Nicholas Cage predicts the apocalypse. That's a fun filmography. Isn't there another one in there? He made what's it called? Garage days.

[00:22:27] He made that like Australian indie movie, the rock band. Yeah. That's not what I was thinking of, but you're right. Yeah. That's it. That's this whole thing. Weird. The crow is wild. Have you seen the crow? Yes. A wild movie. Zero Dark 30 is pretty wild. Right.

[00:22:43] So this podcast about the movie Zero Dark 30. We're clearly excited to talk about it. It's just a... Yeah. I don't know. I really like this movie. I want to talk about... Here's a big thought I want to throw out right up top.

[00:22:54] Right up top 40 minutes into this episode. Now that we're finally trying to talk about this movie. Then just nodded sadly. Right? Zero Dark 40. Yes. So there was this weird... I feel like all of America collectively, regardless of where you stood politically,

[00:23:13] we all in the wake of 9-11 were like, we got to catch this fucking guy. There was that brief moment of national unity. Right. It all held hands in kumbaya. Exactly. 9-12, the 9-12 spirit. We all remember so well. Right.

[00:23:27] But I think even like 10 years later people were like, fuck it just feels unfulfilled. Like this feels like narratively unfulfilled. It was like on America's to-do list. Yeah. And we just say it was just sitting at the top there. And it was this massive thing.

[00:23:39] She starts developing this movie about how close we came and it was going to be about, I assume, more the frustration of not being able to pin him down. And then they catch him, they rewrite the whole movie

[00:23:51] and they make this movie that feels weirdly cathartic when it comes out. It's not an Ura movie but it's a movie about that frustration that struggled to get there and everyone could kind of map onto themselves like, right it was weird for like a decade

[00:24:03] when we were just living with knowing that this guy was out there. And the movie too, it's credit doesn't do a lot of like pre-roll table setting. Sure. But I was watching this and thinking to myself like, will this movie mean anything to like- Like my kid whatever.

[00:24:21] Someone a decade from now. If you don't have the table setting of like, we all were kind of weirdly invested in this thing. Do you guys remember where you were when they announced that? Yeah. Yeah, I do too. Invivently.

[00:24:34] I was just at home but I just remember though like half hour on Twitter where no one in the world knew what the fuck was going on for like half an hour. Remember how The Rock revealed it? Yes. Which was, how did he know it again?

[00:24:46] He had like a cousin that was a Navy SEAL. Yes, that's it. Imagine being on SEAL Team 6 and you're like, holy shit I gotta call Dwayne man. I gotta fucking text Dwayne. He's gonna be, oh no let's tell Obama. Yeah. But also he tweeted like,

[00:25:00] you guys might want to watch the TV tonight. Gonna be some real big news. Like just got some news like boom we got him home of like Land of the Free or something and everyone's like what? Right, right. Oh my god. That was really strange.

[00:25:12] The other thing that was amazing was that was when Obama was just like fucking dragging Donald Trump. Yeah. Which doomed us. Right, it was the day before was the Seth Meyers White House correspondence dinner. It really feels like that day a door opened and another door closed. Correct.

[00:25:29] And in the moment it was so satisfying. He did like 20 minutes on Trump. And killed great stuff. Yeah, sure. Like a really tight set of Trump stuff and they kept on cutting to Trump like clearly not getting the joke and wondering why everyone was laughing at him.

[00:25:39] Right, sitting like tersely and yeah. I remember that. And that's Saturday. That's Saturday. And then on Sunday night it's the finale of the celebrity apprentice. And there was this like tweet at six or seven o'clock from The Rock. And everyone's like oh shit did they catch Bin Laden?

[00:25:57] Yeah. They're gonna like preempt the news. So my roommate Sophie and I were watching TV like waiting for the programming to get interrupted. Yeah. And then there was like a White House tweet that was like Obama's press conference will not start until 940.

[00:26:10] Like it got pushed back from what they thought was gonna happen. And the time it got pushed back to directly overlapped with the last 10 minutes of the finale of Celebrity Apprentice. Oh my God. Which felt like him just being like fuck you.

[00:26:24] So if we hadn't, if we didn't kill Osama Bin Laden. Donald Trump would now be present. Oh my God. That's exactly what this movie is about. She should make Zero Dark 31 about that. Yeah.

[00:26:33] Just like just imagine like being able to look over all of time and be like look either Donald Trump is president or you can kill it. It's like you get to just like that defending your life scenario of like where are we going here?

[00:26:46] I mean that's a great movie. It is a great movie. Although again on the record Trump might not be president by the time this comes out. Well no by the time this is out we're speaking from the confidence of a university in which Trump is not present.

[00:26:58] Yeah okay so we're living in a post-Trump world. Sure. Right. Things are definitely a lot better. That's right. And Osama's back. Yeah we, I mean it's the trade that was the other side of the coin. Oh right we did have to let him be a ghost.

[00:27:10] And he has a show now and we have to you know it's on NBC and it sucks but yeah. Celebrity Apprentice he has to host it. That's like that's the trade off.

[00:27:21] Senator Gillibrand had to go down to hell and pull out Osama Bin Laden in order to trade. Yeah it was like a, it was a real like when you resurrect Jason to fight Fred. Yes exactly.

[00:27:36] Yeah there was like eldritch runes that you know underneath like some rug in the Capitol building. You might have actually just cracked it. I mean maybe the answer is we just resurrect Jason. Maybe it does need to be a metaphor. Jason could host Celebrity Apprentice.

[00:27:49] Jason could definitely host Celebrity Apprentice. That'd be great. He's a real celebrity. He takes Manhattan again. Exactly. Takes Manhattan by the goddamn ratings. I mean the key art writes itself. Do you think Trump would dare go after Jason on Twitter? I don't think he would.

[00:28:03] He would ask, he'd be like Jason's a loser. He's at, Freddie killed him for Freddie Won for a reason. But that's mama's boy sad. Mama's boy sad. The first killer wasn't even Jason it was his mother. His mother fights his battles for him that's pathetic. Oh god.

[00:28:19] It took him three movies to figure out the hockey mask. I had my look going from day one. This loser does understand branding. We're pitching gold here. What if by November Trump is like God King of America? This comes out and we're all arrested. He's fixed it.

[00:28:35] Well, it's fine because we recorded this in August so the ACLU, which is now probably doesn't exist. Sure, sure. The ACLU or whatever. Right. The Trump Civil Liberties Union. Exactly. It's now Trump's Civil Liberties University. He resurrected Trump University. Only 80 grand a week.

[00:28:56] You can go to the ACLU. All right. Can I tell my quick story about where I was when fuck? Go right ahead. I don't know, what's this podcast? We're 50 minutes in now. Go ahead. This episode is a four-parter by the way.

[00:29:11] I was working at the Disney store at the time. Sure. In Times Square. Bumbleback. I didn't say it but. Yeah. But you know, I dropped out of college to start acting and stuff. This is the real apex that you're saying. You dropped out of college.

[00:29:27] You're in the Disney store in Times Square. Well, so I dropped out of college and then like a year in I get cast as like the booger type character in this teen movie. Which one is that? It's called Beware the Gonzo. Beware the Gonzo, yes.

[00:29:39] Beware the Gonzo Miller and Zoe Kravitz and they were both rising stars and it was like, I'm like the comedic relief in this movie. This could be like a big breakout thing. Yeah. And then end up being released in one theater that played it one time a day.

[00:29:49] Which theater was that? It was the Tribeca Cinema. Oh, sure, sure. Yeah, the one that's usually closed. Yep. They did like seven o'clock once a day for four days and that was the release of that movie.

[00:30:02] But I was like, I was a fucking booger in a teen comedy. So you're like, I'm high-tailing it out of here in six months. Like yeah. Right. Like there was a rough patch where I could get any work for like a year and I was like, okay.

[00:30:15] I gotta get a day job to like fill it in. But I was the fucking, I was Horny Rob Becker. I'm gonna get a work. You were Horny Rob? I was Horny Rob Becker. You're in the same room as Horny Rob Becker.

[00:30:24] And I was like, I'm gonna get more roles. I'm fine, right? And I go around like my shifts at the Disney Store and it's a lot of like aspiring Broadway musical actors working there, right? And I was like, these people don't even know.

[00:30:36] Like I'm a fucking movie star. I was third-billed in Beware the Gonzo. You sound great. You sound like a cool guy. I was in a really dark place, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was this guy named Michael who worked at the store.

[00:30:47] Everyone else was like 20s, early 30s at the oldest. And this guy, Michael was like over 50 and just put a little extra on everything he did. He was very performative and he was always taking pictures with customers. Like they were like, Michael you're the best employees ever man.

[00:31:04] He's like, come on let's take a selfie. And he would like come and note me on how I was like interacting with customers. He's like, Griff just a little advice peer-to-peer. Use a little more energy there. Hey man, stop telling me to check out where the Gonzo.

[00:31:15] Yeah, well I never brought it up. Never brought it up, right? Because no one knew but I was just like, I know I'm going to get another horny Rob Becker, another role of that magnitude, right?

[00:31:24] So the night that Obama makes the announcement that he's killed Bin Laden himself with his own bare hands. Which is what this movie's about. I went downstairs at the correspondent dinner, had him delivered and just strangled him. He's still the lifelike besides.

[00:31:45] That's why I came up and did some jokes. Had a great night. Big thanks to Seth Meyers. Shot a three pointer just after that too, so really just a great night for me all around.

[00:31:58] Also he held Bin Laden down as I punched him in the throat until I drew blood. So stop hitting yourself in ordu. Learned just that one phrase in ordu. Just so I could say stop hitting yourself too. Osama Bin Laden. Your story.

[00:32:15] So they cut from the press conference to NBC4 local news and they're like, we're reporting here live from Times Square. There's a lot of energy here. People are relieved. People are crying. We have caught Bin Laden.

[00:32:30] We have one man here ready to talk to us who lost someone on 9-11, Michael Zorick. And my co-worker fucking comes out and it's just like some random New Yorker was talking about the voice of all New Yorkers.

[00:32:41] He was just there and it was like, I guess the shot that's right in front of the Disney store maybe who's getting off his shift. Two days later, three days later, whatever it is within that week, the royal wedding happens, right?

[00:32:51] And there's a big thing we're on the- That's right. It was right then. Good morning America screen. They're playing the royal wedding and people were watching it in Times Square. Big ass week. Right? Yeah, it was a hell of a week.

[00:33:01] Seth Meyers did a tight 20 and then Bin Laden got shot in the face. Right. And then Kate and Will got married. Obama crushed his JFL audition. Yeah. Live on national television. So it's the Kate and William wedding and the front page-

[00:33:18] I'm about to show you the front page of the Daily Post the next day is this guy, Michael, my co-worker, close up shot of him with his daughter on his shoulders watching the Jumbotron. Huh. And then he goes inside and it's-

[00:33:31] He beat up Will and Kate is what you're saying. Right? I was like, how does this guy keep on finding a way to get himself right in front of a camera whenever there's a big event going on?

[00:33:39] So then I go like, wait, why does this guy look familiar? And I do some Googling. His name is Michael Zorick. He was like the horny robber of his time. No.

[00:33:49] He was in like four shitty barely released teen comedies where he played like the fat horny guy and he's totally who I was. Equivalent. Spelled this guy's name? Z-O-Z-O-R-E-K. He was in Teen Wolf 2. Wow. Here he is. You got a visit from Future You.

[00:34:07] I did and I was like- Oh, he was in a lot of 80s movies. Right. And I was like, I got to shape up or ship out. That's when I had my big like come to mama moment and I was like you gotta fucking get it together. Wow.

[00:34:18] So the death of Osama bin Laden was a big week for you. Huge. Camp nowhere. Huge. I got my priorities in order. He was in private school. He's fourth building that. That was his big one. That was the one where he was like the horny Rob.

[00:34:30] Right, with Matthew Modine and PBK. PBK's right. Yeah, exactly. The Ezra Miller and Zoey Kravitz of their time. I agree. Yeah. So that's where you were? Where were you Demi? I was in a library working on like a group project with a bunch of kids.

[00:34:44] And I just remember someone like opening up scene in me like oh my god they shot Osama bin Laden and we were all like what? Shut up man. And then like we all opened up from like whoa.

[00:34:53] And I remember we all like cheered for a bit but we were also just kind of like, I feel like we also were had like a moment of lucidity where like I don't know why like we're cheering. Is this Tramfit? Yeah. We're like that is cool.

[00:35:04] That is like I mean that's gotta be relieving for a lot of people but we were also like none of us had connections to it. Right. We were just like that's good for the country and then we like 10 minutes were like alright let's go back to working.

[00:35:15] But there was that weird thing where it was just I think there was this frustration over like not that everyone had like this blood loss still 10 years later. Right. But just like it's weird that we haven't caught him and they kept on going like.

[00:35:26] It was also weird that we'd like yeah we'd done a whole war in Afghanistan that did not seem to have anything positive associated with it. We destabilized the whole country and then like on top of all that the one guy we know who it was involved in 9-11.

[00:35:39] We hadn't even like sorted that out. It was yeah. I feel like there were also rumors that he was like lit like there were so many rumors about where he was but there are people thinking like yeah he's living in the US now.

[00:35:48] Yeah he lives in like in the spire of the Empire State Building and like yeah. He's right at the top of Trump Tower.

[00:35:54] He controls the weather yeah no but it's true where all these rumors and then some people are like no he lives in a cave and he's sick and that's why we can't get him and it doesn't matter we don't want to get him. It sucks in that cave.

[00:36:07] That was a big one too which they like kind of allude to in this movie. Which is Kyle Chandler's big monologue in this movie.

[00:36:11] Right right but no but there was that whole theory that it was like well his like livers are really bad people think he might just died five years ago. Right. He might just died in a cave right? I feel like he had two livers to be fair.

[00:36:21] Like even if that was the case wouldn't you be like well then figure it out for sure. Yeah maybe just like ask around but then we get to release those videos where he'd be like sitting somewhere and he'd be like what's up guys. He was John Turturroing it.

[00:36:34] Yes. Just doing a little cameo on the beach. Yeah definitely 06 the Rockies are doing great this year. You know like I don't know if you- So today I'm going to do a makeup tutorial. This week Kate Middleton will get married.

[00:36:45] Michael Zorick will be standing in times of new girl totally adorkable. Like I don't know like he would just like make sure to mention some stuff. So he's like- Deschanel's a revelation. Yeah exactly. He just had to make predictions like on the record.

[00:36:57] Yeah to do on the record exactly. Bright it's going to be great. I would love to find tapes if he's like look I don't think I'm going to make it in 2015 can we just set a few of these in production. Transformers 10 will be a smash success.

[00:37:11] Yes 0-30 Jesus Christ. Are we starting the movie what are we doing. So I think the very opening of this movie is actually really smart because she doesn't put too much like you know sort of a paprika on the sandwich.

[00:37:24] You were trying not to say that and then you just said it. I know. Yeah but they have that one phone call you hear of the woman in the tower. Yeah over nothing over credit.

[00:37:33] Right just tall black but it's like a good amount of restraint where it's like right give us like remind us all how terrifying that was on the day. Sure. Which it does hearing that. Yeah. Fucking yeah. Did you guys see this movie in theaters. I did.

[00:37:47] I saw in theater. I did too and I don't.

[00:37:49] I think I don't remember how I felt in theaters because I remember coming out and being like yeah that was the movie but like watching at this time I was just kind of like wait this must have been so jarring to watch in 2012 just like here starting right off the bat with here is a 9 11 phone call.

[00:38:03] I know. And yeah I just remember the theater experience being very tense. Yeah this movie is tense. It has a lot of scenes where nothing happens and something blows up which is stressful. Yeah.

[00:38:14] Yeah it has a lot of just creeping dread like yes and then the moment of relief at the end she like does everything to make sure you're not that like relieved if that makes sense it's more just sort of like.

[00:38:27] You know it's like not like what I like about it like that it's designed to be. I mean it's like the anti revenge thriller.

[00:38:37] I mean I think that is what she's going for but we're going to talk about it on Detroit next week which is just going to be like a laugh riot of an episode that we're all going to have a great time recording.

[00:38:46] I when I like the first thing I said when this movie is like no fucking way am I going to see Detroit.

[00:38:51] The entire time that movies been out I just been like I don't think I can handle it I think it's gonna be too much all the reviews say like it's a lot.

[00:38:58] I feel like I don't want to do it and then watching this I was just reminded of like well if this is how she handles this yeah I don't think I can go to Detroit.

[00:39:05] It's all the seeds of I think what undid her with the trip it's like she's very impassive she wants you to bring a lot to what she her thing is like I am showing you like very detailed very detail oriented stuff like reconstructions but like I am like I want you to project things on to this is how I feel she behaves which is what I think will hurt the legacy of Zero Dark 30 because if you don't come

[00:39:28] up remembering what it was like in those 10 years where we didn't know where bin Laden was I don't think this movie has any real power. Sure I saw you just like.

[00:39:36] Some powers and well it's right to technically very comfortable it has a lot of power in terms of like you're watching this person whose only life has been this which and then when it's done it's like great.

[00:39:49] I mean you know like you know what I mean like the end for her is not particularly satisfying yeah which I like I mean I remember being very blown away when I saw this movie.

[00:39:57] In theaters just being like yep 100% she nailed it this is better than the hurt locker.

[00:40:02] I don't think it's better than the her locker but I do like this movie I should say out of theaters like walking out of here the first time I thought was better than her locker hadn't seen since then it diminished a lot for me this time.

[00:40:14] It weirdly feels like a movie that's shelf life is already like a little bit I mean yeah. Yeah. And also it's like you're like Al-Qaeda remember when that was the villain not crisis when they kept saying I was like I was like yes. Get ready.

[00:40:34] No yeah exactly but it's a weird thing because it was such recent history like when the movie came out it was dramatizing things that happened like 18 months earlier. Right yeah.

[00:40:42] But now that we're in a different climate the movie is so devoid of any larger context like that because she's asking you to bring everything to the table. I think so I do think that's how she functions and then in Detroit she's doing the same thing.

[00:40:54] We'll talk about Detroit Jesus. Yeah I still haven't seen it at the time of this recording. Yeah yeah yeah I feel kind of similar to you.

[00:41:02] Yeah I just I'm glad that you guys didn't want me to watch this work because I just every time I see the trail I'm just like I don't think I could deal with this. It's rich.

[00:41:10] So you're in town you usually live in LA you're in New York and you know I was very very excited the prospect of having you as a guest. Thank you.

[00:41:21] And I said we're going to be starting this Catherine Bigelow Mesares or any of them that jump out to you and you said that this was the only one you'd seen. Yeah. That you heard Point Break was really cool. Everyone says Point Break is great.

[00:41:32] I know it's endlessly parodied. Indeed. I've seen like hot fuzz and whatnot and I was like Point Break that'll be a fun one to watch. But you were like well do the one you've seen before.

[00:41:41] I just felt like yeah it's good if you have some higher relationship to the thing. Sure. I definitely do think that I'd be better talking about this than I would Point Break because I'd just be like it was funny when you did the bike.

[00:41:52] Point Break is a lot of that. This guy dive and something. Yeah for you this one. When you saw in theaters you're kind of like eh about it and it sounds like it's diminished even more for you.

[00:42:02] I think when I came out of the theater I was very much like whoa that was dramatic and very well made but I think my connection to the events of like 9-11 weren't as strong and weren't as like. I was never like we gotta get Osama Vinlot.

[00:42:16] Like even when it happened I was just kind of like whoa. Yeah. Okay. But like so seeing the movie I was just coming at it from the place of like I remember this event this is crazy and like it was just very dramatic.

[00:42:27] But I just remember I wasn't as like I remember thinking when people were like it's gonna get nominated for Best Picture and it did. I was like okay I don't think it should win but okay. Right.

[00:42:38] So but yeah I also knew that she was coming off the Hurt Locker and I hadn't seen the Hurt Locker but I knew it won Best Picture but I was just like well this is gonna be incredible I bet. Right. Yeah.

[00:42:49] And it was like a big deal when she didn't get nominated for Best Director. She was like a big snub that year. Let me look at the. Because I was here. Affleck didn't get nominated and she didn't get nominated both of them were considered locked.

[00:43:00] Well remember it was seen as a lock for a lot of things and then right there was a lot of ferrore around this movie. Was that the year? No that was the year after the King's Beach one. Right. It's a few years after that.

[00:43:10] No yeah it's the year after you're right. Yeah. King's Beach is 010. So this was the artist? Oh no this is two years after. Artist is the year before. This is the Argo year. Got it. Where Ang Lee wins Best Director for Life of Pi. Everyone's favorite movie. Right.

[00:43:23] But everyone always talks about it. Right. I always talk about the direction in that movie. No but that was like everyone thought that either Bigelow or Affleck would win Best Director and then neither of them got nominated and then like Ang Lee kind of won by default? Yeah.

[00:43:35] I feel like it was one of those scenarios where everyone's like I mean Ang Lee we gotta. Right. It's great. Yeah. Who doesn't love Ang Lee? I mean it's the Coens that year. No it's Michelle Haneke for Amor. Right. Another laugh riot that everybody loves to talk about.

[00:43:49] Right. Ben Zeitlin for Beast of the Southern Wild. Yeah. Which is very just. Weird nom. Weird nom. Yeah. I feel like that was I feel like every year they've got one that it's like well this is the fresh

[00:44:01] new kid that we want to show people that you can do this too. And that's always the person who all season every like Oscar handicapper has been like no chance he gets nominated and then he always it's like the Lenny Abramson like surprise of like

[00:44:13] oh they nominated the room guy? Yeah that was weird. Frank. Spielberg for Lincoln. Right. And David. David O'Russell for Silver Linings Playbook. It's a weird it's a weird slate. I remember that year that was the year that I was like Silver Linings Playbook better

[00:44:28] or not win all these fucking awards. Well even though I liked the movie I was just like it's. One one award. What was that? Best actor. Jenny Lawrence. Oh oh yeah. And then she fell down. And Hugh Jackman ran to save her.

[00:44:42] And then I loved her again because she trips like me. But that is the one award. You know Jessica Chassain should have been klutzy in this movie. That would have been. I think if she had been a little bit more relatable as opposed to just you know focused.

[00:44:57] So you're saying she could have been adorkable? Maybe. I mean as Osama told us this was a big year for adorkable. She's like bangs and like big glasses or something. I don't know. I break for birds. And I want to kill Osama bin Laden.

[00:45:14] I forgot about I break for birds. I love New Girl so much. Me too. It's a fantastic show. Yes. Agreed. It's just fun to make fun of adorkable. Yes. Yeah that initial advertising campaign was rough on the whole lot.

[00:45:28] I have to imagine they look back on that now and just go well we really miss the mark. Yeah yeah. What was I going to say? I mean I remember like my biggest takeaway after seeing it in theaters was like Chassain fucking walking away with the Oscar.

[00:45:44] Interesting sure. Like when I saw it I was like Chassain fucking powerhouse. She's like a merge in the last two years as like our next great fucking American actor. And here's this vehicle for her. She's like got the reins and her character is so fascinating.

[00:45:58] And that end scene hit me so hard. And I always was like fucking Chassain should have won a set of Lawrence. Like Lawrence would have won another year. She was nominated. She was nominated. And it was like Lawrence was inevitable.

[00:46:09] She was going to win an Oscar at some point. It felt like this was like Chassain's perfect performance. Well she didn't even won already with winners bone right? No she's just been nominated. Her only win is Silver Linings. No I thought she's won twice. She's won once.

[00:46:21] She almost won for fucking American Hustle. I mean I feel like had she not won this year she probably would have won for American Hustle. Right that was the thing.

[00:46:29] It just felt like it was so clear that like she was America's new like great shining hope to save Hollywood. And they were going to give her the Oscar before she was 30. Sure. Like no matter what she was going to get it one way or another.

[00:46:40] She's still not 30. Very aware of that. Jay-Law? 27 years old. Young woman. Younger than me. Younger than me? Yep. Older than me. There you go Ben. And I'm 12. So you still got a chance. Is that what it is? Yeah to be the next. Younger than me for sure.

[00:46:58] Sorry Ben I didn't mean to bum you out there. No it's okay. So the movie, it's your third authority after these opening credits begins with a... A torture. Oh torture right right 25 minutes of torture. It begins with my girlfriend being like we have to watch this tonight.

[00:47:14] Oh my god it was so hard to watch. All of the hardest stuff to watch comes in the first hour of the movie and then like the next 45 minutes are just them talking like we gotta get him. And yeah it's just...

[00:47:26] What's a kind of a five act movie? It's a weird like it's these isolated sections that are like 35 minutes long that are each kind of focused around. Well because right the beginning of the movie is like Jason Clark is the

[00:47:36] torturer and Jennifer Ealy is boss lady and Jessica Chastain's like a side kick. She doesn't know is also here. Yes he is. He's got a laptop. Jason Clark's role in this movie is so weird. I think his role is actually really...

[00:47:51] I think he's the best part of this movie. Yeah I do. Please damn it. I just like just in terms of I think the character of what maybe it's just what I would want to see in this thing where it's like he is almost

[00:48:01] unempathetic just in the sense like he's a torture and then also seems very bro-y but then he also has this thing with his the monkeys that he gets really sad about and is like I can't do this anymore and he leaves

[00:48:10] and becomes a suit and it's just like his progression seems almost like I mean it's like kind of someone growing up but not for the right... Right. Yeah I think that's intentional. I mean like as you said like the first part of this movie is the hardest

[00:48:23] part I mean there's this moment halfway through the movie where they're all just watching TV and you see this interview with Obama saying like torture is not American and he shouldn't torture people and then there's no more torture in the movie because as like the CIA stopped

[00:48:35] doing it at least you know so we're told or so Bulls told and like it's like no one ever says like he's... Yeah. We should, we should. It was pretty fucked up all that torture we did.

[00:48:47] It's just like it becomes like that's the new that's what the CIA is like. It kind of feels like they wanted to be like fuck him. Like... Yeah like they're sort of like you know but same with Clark

[00:48:58] where he's like during the Bush era he's like yeah man you want to just like tough my hair up just all the way up and like waterboard people great and then the Obama years he's like I'm a suit now

[00:49:08] and it's like rather than anyone being held accountable or put through any kind of it's more just like no we just, we'll just move everything around. Well can I throw out my hot takes on this? Yeah sure. Because I got a lot of feelings.

[00:49:19] Just what we need a hot take. I got a lot of feelings on all of that and the response to it that happened culturally right? Oh sure. I think this was kind of this watershed moment where it felt

[00:49:30] like people were not willing to read subtext at all and I'm not saying the movie makes all of its points completely successfully and I'm not saying it's on the right side of everything. No I agree.

[00:49:41] But it was one of those things where it felt like people were angry that the movie didn't have a scene where a character looked at the camera and said torture is wrong we shouldn't have done that. Right right but that would be...

[00:49:51] That it didn't have an atonement scene? To me that's too easy yeah. And also it's false and we didn't do that. Like what's frustrating about this story is that like we did a lot of stuff.

[00:50:00] We elected a new boss who was like don't do just this one thing very bad. Like you can still do a lot of stuff but don't do some of these things. Right and no one was ever like really held accountable for it.

[00:50:10] Well but is the play then to reference like that famous photograph of the... Evergrave. Evergrave. Which is like the thing you put in. Like that woman became a scapegoat for all the unease that America had with the torture because it was like well here's a good example.

[00:50:24] Right bad apple. She crossed the line. Right right and we weren't telling her to do that. Geez don't take pictures what are you guys thinking? Right right whereas Jason Clark is like a successful blue collar torturer. Yeah he just works his way up right.

[00:50:36] He just makes the guy shit his pants and show his dick to just go chastin' you know. Right this is all right at the start and you're like oh boy yeah right. Do you remember the metal part where they play that now alright I looked the band up.

[00:50:48] They're called Rorschach. They're Jersey Hardcore Band. Did you do the high school with them Beth? No no I didn't. Did you come out of the furnace with them Beth? Hey don't you dare. Ben grew up in the town with the movie Out of the Furnace.

[00:51:00] No I grew up nearby it. You know all those hillbillies. So anyway there was this guy playing a banjo. Alright but wait Rorschach the Jersey Hardcore Band. So if you're a metal band that's like such a fucking compliment. Right right like our music is a torture.

[00:51:19] That's metal as fuck and I was just proud to know that they're a post-hardcore band from New Jersey. That's very cool. There's a scene in Homeland like I didn't realize that was a torture technique until that scene from Homeland

[00:51:31] where they're doing the same thing with the lights going on and I was just like whoa that I really feel like that would fuck me up. That's mean. Yeah I like sleeping. One of the things that really sells the torture

[00:51:41] in this movie is that like they do waterboarding and like I'm sure they probably did electric shock but those aren't the ones that they show up front like the ones that they show are the ones where you have

[00:51:50] to think about it as like oh that's not what I think of as torture but that is torture and that's why it's so effective. And that of course is part of the quote unquote enhanced interrogation technique shit that they did.

[00:51:59] It was like alright alright we know we can't do these very obvious things. We can't hurt them with weapons. But there's definitely a lot of ways to make people really really miserable. Like you step off the mat stuff I was like oh yeah. But what I do think.

[00:52:14] Yeah the thing where they bring the map behind him too and then Jason Clark kind of football tackles him like with his knee yeah. I do think the thing I find interesting about the Jason Clark character is that arc where you're saying like he

[00:52:27] goes to Washington and becomes a soup but it doesn't really feel like he's grown up. I think what the movie is trying to do is like this guy's broken now. Like you're sure beginning of the movie and he's very high functioning he's in this bro sort of like

[00:52:40] working out all this rage that sort of like he encapsulates the worst like aura let's get him sort of feelings we had in our culture you know trying to just if I got bin lad and I'd strangle myself kind of things and just whatever it takes

[00:52:54] whatever it takes and he sort of talked himself into it and he's figured out all of that. And then you see like the monkey attachment is like this is this guy who has no sense of like humanity anymore to a degree like he's trained

[00:53:04] that out of his body he doesn't really know how to relate to other people. He's sort of at a disconnect and then he goes and just works in Washington because he doesn't know who he is anymore. There's that but I think it's also just the

[00:53:15] people follow orders he works for the CIA and they tell him like you know we do these things and he's like okay okay I'm going to do those things and then it's like we don't do this thing anymore. He's like yeah well okay I don't have to do

[00:53:26] him. And he doesn't go full Michael bean like the abyss like I've lost my mind but he just seems like kind of a broken guy when you get to DC. Great reference to Michael. Thank you. So right but at the beginning is it's more close it's 2003.

[00:53:40] Yeah more posts like close to 9-11 or maybe we just have and yeah he's torturing this guy at Guantanamo Bay who's a member of Al Qaeda for like info about attacks and stuff like that and she's there. It's her first day at the office.

[00:53:54] But it's like literally she's being like trained yes. Right. I was so like I couldn't I think just watching this movie again for the first time and just sort of having like moments where I would remember things just before they'd happen I was

[00:54:07] just kind of like I had this moment where they did the scene where Jessica Chastain can't handle all the torture stuff that's happening. Right at the start. And I was just like wait is the message of this movie supposed to be like oh

[00:54:17] she can't handle it but then she gets to a point where she can handle it and I was just like I don't know how I feel about that. But just there was so much at the beginning of like she can't handle

[00:54:29] it but she's gonna try but she really can't handle it and I was like what are you guys trying to do here? I think that's big list trick though she's like this is the information I have make of it what you will

[00:54:38] and like it can really bounce back in her face which I think is what happened with Detroit. It happened to happen with this too but this movie was more successful than Detroit. But you do have a lot of shots reaction shots of Chastain in those first 30 minutes.

[00:54:52] Well she doesn't have a lot of dialogue. Looking uncomfortable. Right looking uncomfortable. But then there's that scene where he's like he basically is pleading with her like she's gonna be the good cop and she's just like you're only doing this yourself because you're not being truthful.

[00:55:04] You know she just retreats to the company line. Yeah. And I think the most telling thing is that you know this movie said like well this movie is pro-torture because it's saying that torture led us to this information that got bin Laden. And it's like first of all

[00:55:17] years in between right? Yeah. In the span of everything this movie is telling. Secondly they only really get information when they go about it the entirely different way of let's take the guy out of the room. Yeah. Let's feed him some lunch let's tell him it's already hit.

[00:55:31] Right like the movie kind of makes the argument that it's like that torture shit didn't really work. It does make that argument. The reason people like Glenn Greenwald who was very mad about this movie and some other people were mad was that there's one piece of intelligence they

[00:55:42] get at right at the start which is this name of the courier Abu Ahmed. Yeah. And a lot of people like we never got that from torture and like a lot of other people like how dare you show anything being gotten from torture because it doesn't usually

[00:55:54] work or what you know. Yeah. And Mark Bowles response is just like look man like that's what my reporting showed me was that they got that that way. We tortured people and we got information. And it was the Obama administration by the time this movie comes out

[00:56:07] and they're very like you know try very much trying to be like no we you know like that's bad like we don't do that and it's not a good way to do it. Right. We are good. And you know I guess it's just

[00:56:17] sort of I mean that I think that's their line essentially. Obama had passed the Dent Law at that point in time. The Dent Act and crime was a legal. He passed the Dent Act and the heroic sacrifice of our great attorney general Harvey Dent who definitely didn't kill

[00:56:29] anyone. That damn Joker was like I'm going to torture twice as many times. You took a Ricky T. Yeah. Ricky T Joker. Yeah Richard T Joker. Yeah of course. Yeah. Great. Great callback. Yeah. Oh and on the record since we're recording this in September

[00:56:44] I'm sure everyone is really excited. Thank you all for the nice tweets congratulating me on being announced as the director of the fifth Joker movie. Oh it's really had to scrape but then they found you. Right. So I'm doing the stop motion fable Joker musical.

[00:56:57] Can I ask just real quick about that why'd you let Kaufman write? OK. So here's my thing. I felt like I had to rain him in a little bit. You know I felt like maybe I could be the sort of gondry to his Kaufman in a

[00:57:11] push and pull kind of way. All right you want to turn a sunshine not animalisa. I want the full sort of heady ideas coming out of him but then I want to move into a more fantastical sort of audience friendly kind of emotional zone. Right.

[00:57:22] The Joker is nothing if not family friendly and emotional. Right. That's my take on the Joker and Todd Phillips has his take and the crazy stupid love guys have their take. And Michael Hanukkah has his take. Can't wait to see that one. We know the full five that

[00:57:35] have been announced at this point. They're all based off of David Ayers take what if he was a cop. Right. Right. What if Bob what if Twisted. Which he shouted before he was taken off to jail. What if I was a cop? But a bunch of more

[00:57:49] But what about the puppets though I felt that was a weird choice. No it's a marionette. I think when you see how the puppets are used you will get it. We really push the technology very far and I think we've gotten more experience out of these puppets.

[00:58:00] I was actually I was in the edit for one of the scenes also you should know they CG out the wires. Yes. Oh my gosh. Yes. Of course. Right. So this is my stop motion and puppet. And you don't know how to puppet anything so you just

[00:58:14] jerk them up and down. Yeah. But they do take the wires out so the characters are just like this the whole time. I should clarify when I said I'm directing it what I meant is I'm doing all of it and when I said that

[00:58:24] Warner Brothers hired me I meant I just did this in my living room I haven't seen other people for weeks but you do have advanced CGI wire removing technology on your laptop and Charlie Coffin did write it. It's weird. He did. He dropped it off in your mailbox.

[00:58:36] I did everything else. You spent all that tick money on Charlie I need you to write the script for me. All that tick money I hired him I commissioned him write me a musical Joker half-marionette half stop motion fable and Warner Brothers is like

[00:58:49] we're not going to sue you this doesn't seem like people will see you. They're not worried about it. Here's the thing I knew it was a buyer's market. You're trying to get them to sell Netflix. They have 12 different release slots a year and they only

[00:59:00] have four Joker movies. Joker only. Yeah if you make a Joker movie it will get bought. They also refer to months as release slots now. Oh boy. Happy 12th release slot everyone. They've really waterboarded a guy for this movie. Yeah. I was just like how

[00:59:13] because it's a great transition by the way. Sorry. I don't know I like I don't know I like I don't know I like I don't know I like I don't know I like I don't know I like I don't know I like I don't know I like

[00:59:24] I don't know I like I don't know I like I don't know I like I looked back down to my notes and I was like I want to mention that it seems like they had to really waterboarding for this movie. I mean what it sure looks like

[00:59:34] waterboarding to me. And as the director why Griffin. Oh this movie. No I'm kidding. Yeah. He wanted to board it a puppet look it's fine it's a puppet it can't feel. I wonder if that's one of those cases where like Bigelow was like

[00:59:47] we got to do it real or the actor was like I need to do it for real. I have to imagine the actor was probably like I don't I don't want to this is my like one of my first movies I'm playing a terrorist. I don't want to.

[00:59:57] That's already fucking great French actor. He is in this movie I saw that was like a big big hit in French called Hippocrates about young doctors at a hospital and he won like best supporting actor this season. The dude fucking kills it and he was in a

[01:00:14] profit too and now he's like a big leading man in France. That's great. It hasn't really translated here but he's like a great actor and I hadn't rewatched this movie since seeing him and other stuff. One thing that I just felt so I feel like there's also

[01:00:26] the difference of like who I was in 2012 versus who I am now and like just I watched it on Amazon and had all those X-ray things really every so often I go to pause it and show all the names. No, it's a great company. It's a wonderful

[01:00:38] it's a wonderful system. I love it very much the tick available now. Yeah, but I still screaming. I kept seeing the thing where it was like like oh this is the person it's like just playing terrorist or playing like man and I just kept feeling like are these

[01:00:53] or how many people is like this their first role and they have to play terrorist in a movie where we're all rooting. Yeah, right, which sucks. It sucks and it's like that's when people get into this thing of like well how are you like how is it backwards

[01:01:06] if you're only playing terror? I'm verbalizing this very poorly but I had this thought while watching the movie which is like the problem is if you're like an actor of Middle Eastern descent pretty much unless someone decides to make a movie about fighting terrorism

[01:01:19] there aren't that many roles that you could possibly go up for sure. Which blows and then you imagine like when this movie was announced and like the casting calls went out it was the simultaneous like fuck they got like 60 roles to cast. Yeah. I probably have a good

[01:01:36] shot at getting this. Right, I'm sure there's sort of like a begrudging like we gotta get paid right. I have a lot of friends that are making the joke of like well I'll keep our heads down when we're in the Confederate audition room. Yeah, right, right. Right.

[01:01:50] In November, come on I'm the record, they're like forget it, I'm sorry it was bad. Forget it, don't worry about it. Confederate for those of you who are living in November was a poor idea by HBO. Yeah, and of course on the record I should announce

[01:02:02] that I've just sold my new TV show to HBO which is about people trying to make Confederate it's about the opposition to writing the TV show Confederate. I love it. So, no the thing I was called the Underground Railroad to Confederate. The thing I was going to say

[01:02:18] what you were saying about like how watching this movie in a different place and it's crazy that things have shifted as much in like five years. But it was like watching that movie when it came out it was like well yeah, but we're good now. Right.

[01:02:32] You know, we won, we got bin Laden and we got Obama had just been re-elected. Right, shit fucking rules America's on the up and up. Like America's got it going on. It really feels like we all came to it from the place of like we gotta remember

[01:02:45] the bad guy here is Osama bin Laden. Remember what he did? So, also it's like look torture, yes we can have these conversations but it's all over now. Imagine how much he tortured. Like that was Bush stuff and the Bush stuff sucked but remember nothing's ever

[01:03:00] gonna be bad again ever again. Exactly, Obama gets to President forever, right? That's definitely, that's the rule, right? Right. It's on vacation for now. And after him will elect Malia, I don't know. We'll think about it. We'll just keep down down the chain. There's nothing but black people

[01:03:14] from here on out. But then you watch this now and you're just like I don't like anything we do. Yeah, I had a moment near the end where I was like after all the torture had gone like I was just, I was struck with the realization of like

[01:03:29] she just had the line of like I'm gonna find him and I'm gonna kill Osama bin Laden and I just heard an electric guitar riff in my head. I'm like... Yeah, it was the Wonder Woman riff and I was just like oh yeah, this movie

[01:03:42] is really about revenge. And then from there on out like they show the raid and they start saying like I just pop this guy and I was just like oh, this is how it is. Fucked up. Yeah. But I also think that is how it is. No, yeah.

[01:03:57] Right, where they're all just like chilling drinking beer and they're like let's bet $50 on horseshoes and then someone's like go to this house, shoot everyone. Right. And they're like, yeah, yeah, cool. And they all, it's all based off of the confidence of this woman and I'm just like

[01:04:09] it would be such a more like... That's the crazy thing. That's the... Someone at a table being like we should, should we send two helicopters like 30 guys right here? What do you think? And everyone else is like 60 maybe. Maybe. And she's like

[01:04:23] this is the first thing I've done I'm gonna say 100 and like as someone who's been watching her this entire time obviously you're on the side of like well she's gonna do it she's the protagonist. Right. But also I feel like you get a sense watching it this time

[01:04:35] I got a sense of like no, she's obsessed with revenge it's very easy for her to have been wrong here and to see a movie where like imagine getting Xeer Dark 30 and then the twist is like nope, this wasn't Osama Bin Laden that's not the story we're telling.

[01:04:46] Yeah they go there and it's like Pauli Short. It's a foul theory. What are you guys doing here? And he's assassinated and everyone's happy. Chris Prettuce in the face. Is this for Biota? There is that thing that like... They go into the Biota. Yeah. That Bigelow Bowl

[01:05:03] like lack of context like this is just what it is thing. Sure. I think you it worked in 2012 it was just like well, everyone wanted to catch Bin Laden. Like whether they wanted him murdered whether they wanted him to put in a face trial

[01:05:15] there was a sense of like we got to get him and now this character's lack of context is kind of weird because she just seems like what's her big hang up? You know? It's weird to think about that time when that was like still the thing

[01:05:27] when there was still one clear guy we need to take down cause like ISIS is such a like a sort of nebulous vague sort of thing. There's no like big... Yeah. Well also there's an argument in this movie called Chandler where he's saying like

[01:05:40] like, you know, there's no lone wolves to worry about like we have to worry about people who are actually doing shit. You know, some Bin Laden and he's just chilling out and like, you know, like then I'm thinking like, oh, that's like all that we're fighting now

[01:05:51] it was just like information on the internet you know, people who can be radicalized in any way or whatever. Smaller events at greater frequency. Right. Yeah. You know, like and called Chandler is like the stuff shirt who's like stopping our hero from fucking killing it.

[01:06:04] They give him the worst hair. Yeah. His hair is really rough in this movie. It's like she's like, how do I make you less effective? What do I have to do? They wanted early edition call Chandler. Exactly. Mark Strong's wager

[01:06:14] That is how he rose to power in the CIA. Early edition. It was the cat delivering him the fucking paper every morning. Yeah, he had the newspaper saying hey we're going to get Osama Bin Laden tomorrow and he's like, I'll tell you guys. Not yet. Trust me.

[01:06:25] Not yet. That's an incredible way to go. It's not a cave but we'll see where it is. But that's what gets us. But no, but the other thing is yes you have this motivating factor in the movie of the death of the CIA chief in Afghanistan

[01:06:38] who's played by Jennifer Ealy who's really good in this movie. Really fucking good in this movie. And it was a year after Contagion which she is so good in. It was that thing where she was just popping up in movies and like killing it.

[01:06:47] And both of those movies she's like the secret heart of the film. Yes. She's the emotional core of both despite limited screen time. And what I like about her in this movie is she's sort of like to Chastain, she's being like,

[01:06:55] look no you can be like a regular person and have this job. Like you don't have to be this like Wraith who walks the halls of some office and has no family or life. Which is like Jason Clark. That's the counter. Right. And where it's just like,

[01:07:07] no I have kids and like, They make that joke about him not coming to meet them for dinner. One of the six times they accidentally are in the place that gets bombed. Right. That does happen a lot. A might too frequently. I remember like the first time

[01:07:19] I saw this movie I was always caught off guard by the bombings and this time like I was just I felt like I was watching the film making being like, well I know because I didn't remember exactly but I was like. Why is this taking too long? Yeah.

[01:07:31] I was like there's a lot of establishing shots. Us seems to be going nowhere. Important. We haven't seen any of the people. It's gonna blow up. And yes. And the first time watching it you're like, I've already bombed three times. I can't do it a fourth right.

[01:07:43] Kevin's not that crazy. Bombs. There were like four or five bombings in the first hour of this movie. And then there's that thing later where she's in her car and they start shooting at her and I'm like really? Yeah. Like really? Like she this happened as well?

[01:07:55] But if you've seen it a second time you know that's happening. You know to expect the crazy violence out of nowhere. I forgot the car thing. I don't know why. But the contrast between like the banality and the like the hyper violence isn't as startling

[01:08:08] when you've already seen the movie. No. But I think it was startling to just because I knew that like Jennifer Ely's death was coming. I had that moment where I was like, oh yeah, it happens in a car explosion. And then I started realizing

[01:08:20] like she's being way too positive about this. She's way too gung-ho about this. Yeah. And then I was like so they are also focusing on her entirely. Like Maya is not even in these scenes. Right. And then I was like, well, like she's I amming her like R.

[01:08:34] We got him. BRB. I was just like, well this is not how CIA operative should be. No. No. And I also read like, you know both cars coming super slowly and foreboding the SMA. I'm going to make him a cake and pour.

[01:08:46] I was like, this is this is such a high like she really wants you to love this just to make it hurt so much more. It does hurt. But the Jennifer E. Tresting relationship is a fictional relationship and they're both kind of composite characters of some different people.

[01:08:56] Sort of. But yeah. I think it's like, you know some different people sort of. But yeah, the Chastain character is supposedly mostly based on this woman who sounds absolutely insane. I don't mean to be mean about a person. She's like a bus. But the CIA and could probably

[01:09:13] have me murdered all kinds of way. No. But if you don't do that anymore. Yeah. I want to find her name because the person she's based on is crazy. Jessica Jastain. Crazy. Yeah. It was just Jessica. That's why they cast her. And was it Homeland also based on

[01:09:33] the same woman? Yes. Alfreda Francis Bikowski. Yes. Who headed the bin Laden station and the Global Jihad unit, which sounds just like a blast. I mean that sounds like so much fun. She is known as the Queen of Torture. She married her boss, Michael Shure, who famously once

[01:09:54] suggested that we should consider her. My creator of the good place. My boss. Creators of the good place who famously once said we should assassinate Barack Obama. I remember him saying that in the room. Yeah. He tested it on you guys and then he was like, should I

[01:10:07] say this publicly? We were like, it's not going to work out of Kristen Bell's mouth, but if you tweet it. Okay. Bad joke pitch. Bad joke pitch. She seems a lot tougher than this Maya character. Tougher is one word for it. Scarier. I don't know whatever you want

[01:10:25] to put it. There's definitely no one of her there. Yeah. Which I they've said she's a composite though. So there are other characters that are wrapped into her. But but I read I did almost no research into the real events. This film is depicting because

[01:10:39] it obviously takes a lot of liberties. I did look into this woman a little bit, but the one thing I got because Amazon X-ray so so I gifted it to me was that in real life that meeting was like the fourth time the guy had

[01:10:53] come to visit them. Oh really? You mean the bombing, the Dr. character? Right. He had come and spoken to them three times. So they were like more guarded the first time he came. Sure. And then when like three or four times later they were

[01:11:07] like you know what he's really like he sat down. He's given us a lot of information. Clearly our guard is down. We're fine. That's when he like pulled the trigger. Right. Whereas it does feel a little like where they're like she's like don't worry about

[01:11:19] the gate just bring him in and they're like well we usually check people coming in. As soon as she did I was like that's not how it happened but still this is a stupid thing for someone to do. Right. It goes a little into that

[01:11:29] like the Lego Batman thing where the guy's driving the car and he's like I love my life. I hope nothing bad happens to me today. Like she's like making the cake. She's like BRB. We'll just talk to this guy very quickly and then definitely we'll still be alive

[01:11:43] at the end of talking to him. It's almost, it's like it feels like the only thing she didn't say is I can't believe I'm getting out of here tomorrow. Right. One day till retirement. So excited for my three day weekend. But that is not really a

[01:11:57] composite character Jennifer really. That's just based on Jennifer Matthews who was like the person. Okay. It was also weird. I feel like we didn't learn she was a mother of three until she died. Until the like TV report. Yeah. But so then at the end of

[01:12:11] that that's when Jessica Chastain when Maya was like yeah I'm going to kill Ben Laugh. It gets kind of like she's made a personal. Do we need that? I don't know. I feel like it really like I mean if they had taken a turn where it was about

[01:12:22] her obsession with it. Sure. Which they kind of did but they didn't really hit it maybe as hard as I wanted them to then I feel like that would have made sense. But that line just feels like it's a line for people in the

[01:12:33] theater to be like yeah now we're now it's all positive from here on out. It does. I think Mark bull is a bad writer of dialogue. I think that comes through a lot more in Detroit. What else has he done but said her. Hurt Locker this.

[01:12:46] He's the guy who works with her on these. Big alone bull. Yeah. Big alone bull. And he's a lot. He also apparently wrote the story for call of duty advanced warfare. Yeah, you can tell. So there you go. And serial season two. That's true. Yeah. See. Of course.

[01:13:10] Yes. That's from his files to research the Boba. Boba movie. A lot of these happening. Yeah. Big alone bull. They are going to join up and start a law firm. Right. They're going to buy Sterling Cooper Draper price. Yeah. I know that's all. Waterboard. If anyone corrects me,

[01:13:27] I know that's not a law firm. Form. Before anyone corrects me, I know the name is firm not firm. But here's here's my question about the movie. So you got those first 40 minutes that are pretty solid plot wise, you know, the beginning of the movie

[01:13:40] up until you guys. And I think effectively upsetting. I agree. Then you have the last 40 minutes which are essentially like once Gandalfini comes into the rate. Right. Right. But then there's this middle 40 minutes. Yeah. That's kind of just like shit happening. And it's like,

[01:13:57] like a lot of time is passing, but we're not really being told how much. And I loved it in the theater and I felt. Was a little bored watching it. Re-watching. Yeah. Because I remember being on the edge of my seat and just

[01:14:08] being like, this is such an interesting process movie. Like I like watching. It is probably better movie in theater. I should acknowledge it's been a while and yeah, once when you're locked in with it, I guess, yeah, you have to get a little bit of info

[01:14:18] there sort of dripping. Yeah. I watched it on an iPad, which is like not the best way to watch. Yeah. You were drinking off, which is weird. I lasted pretty long. I mean, you gotta give me two hours for. Plus you had to give Kaufman notes.

[01:14:31] I did just three things at once. I feel like one of the strengths of watching in theaters is something that I was complaining about and re-watching, which is that because they put all those torture and like the explosion stuff up front. Right. You're like so focused on

[01:14:43] like, holy shit, things are going down. And then you have that little piece where nothing's happening. Right. But you're still kind of on the hook. You're still focused, but right at that point it's basically she being like, this guy's alive and people are like, no he isn't. Right.

[01:14:57] And she's like, I think he is and people are like, no, he's not. You know, and like it's sort of that for a while. Yeah. So a guy buys a Lamborghini like there's sort of stuff which I am still very confused about how that

[01:15:07] like what did they get out of that? He gives them a name or a phone number or something in exchange or like his mother does maybe like there's some like exchange happening there because that's when Jason Clark goes to see the wolf. Yeah. There's another real CIA guy

[01:15:20] who is this white CIA agent who converted to Islam upon like being stationed in the Middle East years ago and he's like, give me 250 grand. I want to buy a Lamborghini like you know and the guys like, I don't know. That's a weird scene.

[01:15:33] And then also it can't wait until the next morning let Lane. Yeah. He is good. But they have to get him out of bed. The Lamborghini right? Yeah. That's weird. It was a real show of like this is how serious I am. I'm not even waiting.

[01:15:46] Let's do this. Lamborghini. Yeah. Right. Do you ever watch Lost Army? Because I know you have it. I did. Well the wolf is played by the sheriff who arrested Kate. That's that guy. Oh, the guy who dies in the pilot. Yeah. Sheriff Mars. But he keeps coming back

[01:16:01] in the Kate episodes. He's always like, I'm here to arrest you. She's like, no. And we're like, you're not going to last. Buddy, don't get on that plane. He's the real bin Laden of that story. Yeah. He is. And no, but there's I remember like

[01:16:17] be her writing the number of days on the window. That's right at the end. Right. I remember that being like once they found the building being like fuck yeah, she's not given up. And that's like a montage that lasts like four minutes. It's just at the end.

[01:16:30] I remember this movie having this real sense of propulsion to her persistence. Yeah. And then it feels like there are a lot of long stretches where she's kind of taking a back seat. She's there in the background looking on quite knuckling it. But it's just kind of

[01:16:44] watching all the gears very slowly. Yeah. And that part of her story is formless because yeah, nothing really is happening. Right. There's that scene where they're watching Obama's interview. But yeah, it's sort of nothing. It felt like in theaters you were watching this woman

[01:16:59] who was like everyone else around her. She's like, we just got to give up. And she was like, no, we have to do this for the country. And this one, it feels like everyone is focused enough. And then they feel like they hit a dead end

[01:17:11] there's that scene where she yells at Kyle Chandler, like somewhat maniacally. Which is kind of great. Yeah. She's good. It's Oscar real scene. It is definitely the Oscar scene along with the crying at the end. Yes. I love her in this because I think I really

[01:17:25] admire the fact that she doesn't try to play her like a conventional badass. Yeah. Agreed. That she is. There are these shots of her man. Like there's that shot of her coming out of a tunnel and then like you send she just looks like

[01:17:42] she's not doing anything weird. Like she's not like confident. Right. But there's no. It's just her intensity, which is like very striking, but she's got this very high pitch voice. She's this very kind of delicate looking woman. You know, she is very vulnerable,

[01:17:54] but she's just like a fucking like she's locked in on what she wants to do, which is kind of a great magic trick. Like it's just if you're that serious and focused in such serious situations, you don't have to act badass. Yeah. The context is badass.

[01:18:11] What I will say though is like as much as they do the badass thing, I think there was a lot of stuff near the beginning where they would show the torture and then show her in the bathroom like I can't deal with this.

[01:18:22] And I was like, I don't think I don't think that really works after you show her just watching someone being tor- I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't disagree with you. Yeah. I mean, I hear what you're saying, which makes the protest of this movie

[01:18:36] as pro-torture even weirder because you could argue the movie in fact failed trying too hard to disapprove of torture. Right. It was trying to be like torture's hard on everyone and it's like not really. No, no, no. It's hard on everyone, damn it. Both on many sides.

[01:18:52] There's two sides. Many sides. Many sides. Many sides. Many sides. That's an old reference by the time this is out. But remember when he said that. No, no. He did it again. He brought it back. I'd say it's someone out went out there and said

[01:19:05] Dr. Robotnik is great and he defended him in the show. Exactly. On Trump TV. Look, I mean a lot of people are saying General Snokes is a good guy. A lot of people I know they like him. They like his big hologram throne. Big hologram.

[01:19:18] He made the biggest one yet. Everyone's giving him a lot of compliments. I'm a big fan. I love his work. You know what's funny is by the time this comes out people still hear that name like we don't know anything about him yet. Spoiler. Don't talk about Snoke.

[01:19:30] Yeah. I'm sure that last Jedi is all Snoke, right? It's all Snoke. Yeah, Ryan Johnson was like I see what people liked about Snoke. I'm sure there are some last Jedi spoilers out there. Yeah, just do it. The Porgs kill Finn. Yeah, that's what they do.

[01:19:42] They crawl inside his mouth and then his like blood vessels explode. It's like Kingdom of the Crystal Skull with the red ants. Yeah. And a new Finn takes over and it's just Poe putting on a hat and you're like oh, like Finn's hat. Which he had.

[01:19:54] He takes the jacket back. Yeah, he just puts and we're like we're like wait this doesn't work. That was your jacket and he's like nope I'm Finn now. But then the last Jedi part of the movie is really good. Very compelling, very well made. Right.

[01:20:09] And I do feel like even this time when I was less into the movie and certainly first time you're like oh yeah, OK, no I'm locked in. Right, right, right. This is just so He is one of the best living visually arresting. And she's one of the few

[01:20:19] people who knows how to make action unsettling and James Gandalfini unsettling. Yes, certainly. But you know that thing of like oh, you know, how does he sit in that cafeteria chair? Like it's amazing. Yeah, I think it's a great idea to make a movie.

[01:20:32] Like, you know, it's amazing. I love him. I love him so much. Well there's a reason we don't see him get up. I'm sorry James. We love you James, you're the best. I would really do love James Gandalfini. By the time this is out he's back to life.

[01:20:45] So we have to be careful about what we say. He's president now. That's great. I just would love that. I mean we opened the portal for Osama and James just slept right. According to IMDb trivia James Gandalfini sent a letter to Leon Panetta before the movie came out

[01:20:58] and said I'm very sorry about everything. I apologize. You're like my father. So if you find something to be angry about please let me know. He's like his father apparently. That's the part that concerns me. I'm like why? Why is he like your father? And then months later

[01:21:16] Leon Panetta told Mark Bull I'd love Gandalfini's phone number to talk to him and Gandalfini was like he can't find me. He's the head of the CIA. I just read you an IMDb trivia. That popped up on the X-ray when I was watching at the beginning.

[01:21:30] There you go. I do kind of agree with what I think you're getting at David though which is when I saw this I was like ha an American epic one that justifies the nearly three hour running time. It's an epic story that needs room to breathe.

[01:21:42] It's about living with her struggle for this long and I watched it this time and I was like you couldn't hour out in the middle. Yes, you could cut an hour. You could do the first chunk up to right about after Jennifer Ely's death

[01:21:53] and then sort of go like six years later and it's her meeting with Gandalfini and they're close to getting the mission up and running. You could cut two of the bombings. Ah, God, you need those bombings. You know, you came to the table with another offer

[01:22:08] and I'll say yeah let's keep the bombings. They're like, can we just cut two of the bombings? She's like, I just added another bombing because you told me to cut the bombing. I haven't ever. Anyone else has something to say? Anyone else want to add

[01:22:20] a bombing or two? Who's going to get bombed? I don't know but it's going. You are Jennifer. You're baking a fucking cake too. You know the weirdest thing about Gandalfini in this movie is that it's not that far from his performance and in the loop.

[01:22:38] No, not at all. He delivers the lines with the same kind of like reedy tough guy kind of voice. Why there's this thing where like Leon Panetta famously like has a real tea man. He's got a dirty mouth. This guy loves his cost words. He's a real motherfucker.

[01:22:51] Right. So he talks like a fucking a Mandoi and Nutschi character. Sure, right, right, right. Like he talks like Peter Capaldi and in the loop. And so like the movie's been like pretty straightforward in that sort of sense. You don't have a lot of funny dialogue.

[01:23:05] And then he enters and suddenly like he and Chastain are both saying like fuck a lot. Yeah, right. Yeah, they're all like anyway, so the trade craft has suggested this. He's like, yeah, is the fucking guy there or not? Yeah, they drop like three weird cameos

[01:23:18] at the same where it's like Mark Dupas. Suddenly has a lot of exposition. Yeah, Mark Strong and then fucking Gandalfini walks and like the X-ray pops up at the beginning and reminded me again, I'll finish in this movie. But the entire time it was

[01:23:31] like when's he popping up? And then he pops up and I was like, wait, they're only like 40 minutes left. Jimmy. And I know that the last part of this is the raid and he's not in there. He could have been though. He's the battering ram. I smoked Ibrahim.

[01:23:43] Fucking got him. I like that they say smoked. They don't say killed because I feel like that's like one of their words for not like getting too heavy. That was one of the things that sort of set me off about like, well, maybe this was how it is.

[01:23:57] But I have to imagine if you know the president's watching, are you going to be like, let's be professional? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck that door. Blow it up. Yeah. I wouldn't love to hear Obama like, smoke him. Get him home. That is the thing.

[01:24:10] What if she had just cut to Obama like in a situation with a big cigar, like she just done the most awful cameo possible. Just like a photo shop the cigar out of the photo when you post this. That is the like a reason why, you know,

[01:24:24] Bigelow is probably better at depicting the banality of like successes than horror stories in a way. Yes, I agree. You know, like the argument like for this being good material for her and Detroit being bad material for her is that like what's kind of interesting

[01:24:37] is her taking like we want and depicting it with like the full banality of like, oh, these guys are bros and they're playing horseshoes and there's talking about it like it's call of duty. You're hitting exactly on the nail. Whereas right in Detroit she's like these cops

[01:24:49] shot a bunch of black people for no reason. It's like, yes, we all agree that's bad. Dude, bad, that's bad. Right, yeah, okay. There's not much ambiguity to it and you're like, yeah, okay. Thanks for being with me for two and a half hours. I was Catherine Bigelow.

[01:25:03] Well, and she's like really interested in like people just like doing their job, you know? Yeah. And so like that whole section is so fascinating because the rate is so well done on a technical level like the use of the night vision is really good

[01:25:15] and it's so fucking well edited and it pretty much plays out in real time. Apparently the actual rate itself is 25 minutes. Yes, right. It's like pretty much you're seeing the rate as it went down. Those helicopters are scary too. Yeah, I don't understand like from a story perspective

[01:25:32] and maybe it's just something that happened in real life she's like it's very important I get this down to the like everything. I don't understand why one of the helicopters kind of crashed. It did though. Yes, isn't that crazy? That's what I assumed it had to be that

[01:25:45] because I was like there's no like people don't that doesn't alert them to anything. It just seems like a dramatic beat. Right. But it we crashed one of the helicopters which meant we had to blow it up on the way out which was sort of like

[01:25:56] it was kind of like got added to the to-do list. It's like Kilbin lot and get all the hard drives and now you have to blow up that that fucking helicopter. The secret helicopter that people don't know. Yeah, there's like super stealthy helicopter that like makes no noises.

[01:26:08] I saw it and has like DVDs in the seats or whatever. I couldn't stand your fucking watching Joe dirt on the way. Joe dirt might be in the middle team six. It's Joe dirt one of the guys. Yeah, yeah. That was my cultures character. Yeah. But just

[01:26:27] the idea of being inside the compound and not hearing a helicopter I can't imagine that but also not hearing a helicopter that blows up. I'm just like what like just how quiet are these helicopters? I was just fascinated by that. It's not. They must be crazy quiet. Yeah.

[01:26:43] But I mean they heard something because but of course they also blow the doors open. Now they're alerted in some way. But yeah, there's not a lot of threat. I mean, who's so who's on the it's Joe Edgerton, Chris Pratt. Yeah. Taylor's Kenny, my culture is there.

[01:26:59] Frank Grillo. Yes. What? Nash Edgerton too. Taylor Kinney is the kind of sort of like handsome one who like gives a little light to the girl to calm her down. Which I remember like I didn't watch the trailer again after watching this and I should have.

[01:27:15] But I remember seeing the trailer and having that moment in the trailer and being like, OK, so we get to see some of their sympathetic moments with like the Arab people and you just I realized like, no, that was a manipulation. Yeah, he's right.

[01:27:28] He's just like, you need to be quiet. It's just on the job. Like shit done. Ferris Ferris. Is that his name? I'm not sure who you mean. She's working with earlier in the movie. Oh yes, Ferris Ferris. You're right. These are all people that went on

[01:27:41] to like have pretty big roles. Yes. Yeah. So Ramirez pops up for like half a minute in that one weird scene. Like even Grillo is like a big part. Yeah, right. He's like crossbones. Right. Don't you fuck with Frank Grillo? And I mean, Edgerton obviously,

[01:27:57] like Taylor, yeah, all of these people. It's so weird that Pratt's the most where you're like, whoa, yeah, even even DuPlas it was like this is one of the first time someone had just weird. The Toa for Grace role here. Well, when like when they announced

[01:28:09] that he was cast because he was part of that first wave of announcements of like Edgerton, Rooney Mara, DuPlas before the movie shut down and then was retooled. It was very strange because he hadn't done anything outside of his wheelhouse and now he's been

[01:28:23] in like more different types of movies other people's projects. He has so much to say in this movie. Right. He has to deliver all of the exposition about the house. Right. But at that point he was like just the leak and his own movies and other Mumblecore

[01:28:36] movies and then he gets announced in this and it's like the first time he's in a big studio movie and it's like that strange. And then he's sort of like in the background like shadowing other guys and you're like, is this going to be his role?

[01:28:45] Is he just going to be the assistant? And then he's got that one scene where he like cracks the case. Sure. The case of the three women. You know, Yeah, right. Right. He explains all of that. Right. Yeah. There were two moments in this

[01:28:58] movie that I was just like, oh, that feels like it should have been less expository. Which one of them was that and one of them was when we spent this entire movie being like Abdul Akhmed. We have to find her or Abdul. Abu Akhmed.

[01:29:08] We have to find him and then they're like, well, we can't find him. Maybe he's dead. And then someone's like, hey, he was in the files. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. Who is that? Who just shows up? Fuck that actress. Yeah. She's another one where you're

[01:29:22] like, oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Thank you for telling me. Lady. Yeah. I love to wrap my forget already. It's that famous actor. It was just a moment where I was like, lady, Chastain seems very uncaring about this. Just off of the frustration of we should have gotten

[01:29:35] this earlier. But then it seems like this was such a big thing. Why is it so casual? Why did you go like, and I know with all these things, I have to be like that's maybe how it happened in real life. But I'm always just like,

[01:29:47] I feel like if you're making a movie, drama dramatize it a bit, but still right. But again, right? That's her weakness and her strength, right? Where she's like, no, no, no, we're not going to put the finger on the scale like, yeah, she just got handed a file

[01:30:00] and someone was like, hey, I found this. Oh, how'd you find it? I just looked. There's a lot of shit. Yeah, we missed it. Well, I remember being so dramatically affected by like her arc in the film, not her arc, but just her emotional sort of like

[01:30:15] through line as a character. And I was like, that's the master stroke of this movie that it isn't just like a doggie drama about, you know, all the different facets that she chose to focus in on one woman who sort of made her life all about trying to

[01:30:28] crack this case, find this guy. Right. But then watching it again, it feels like she's just there for a lot of it. Like it has a little bit of... She definitely also receives the background at the moment. You know where it's like, oh, Mark Wahlberg just keeps

[01:30:43] being in the right rooms, even if he's not the one pushing. Well, in Patriots Day, it's a lot sillier. Right. Because he's an entirely fake creation who is at literally every key event. Well, right, and they're all literally the mayor, the governor, and they're like,

[01:30:55] hey, traffic cop guy, you were there, right? All right, you should be in this press conference. We reassigned you to the shootout at the boat. Like he keeps on getting reassigned to right where the action's happening. He's as insane as it wants. Right.

[01:31:07] But I do find the ending very effective. I agree. Well, one, it is very well... Again, it's like it's just passionate. You don't even totally realize they killed Bin Laden at first. That's the best part of it. When she has to look at the body.

[01:31:23] They're not realizing that... That's him. Yeah. Right. And then they're like, oh. Yeah, it's not this big triumphant moment where it's like we got him. They were just kind of like, oh my God. They're not even other shit. Yeah, I see. No, I guess that's him. Okay.

[01:31:39] Take a picture with your digital camera. And then they have her check the body, which I love because it's like that scene you see in movies all the time, like crime movies. Right. Where it's like you have to see the body of your loved one

[01:31:49] that sets you off on this course of revenge, this death wish kind of path. But this is like, well we caught the guy that you've been trying to catch and she has to look at him. Like, yeah, no, that's that guy I fucking hate.

[01:32:00] Well, I actually like that moment a lot though. Yeah, that's the guy whose been running. That's that's I was really sticking to my no, but I like that scene when they're like, it's a go, they're going to go and you they do that she

[01:32:10] focuses on she keeps the camera on Chastain is there all evening where you're like, right now this woman who did all this work about this just gets to sit at a desk and watch it happen. Right. I mean, like she's not going to be there on.

[01:32:23] I want to see the sequel called Zero Dark 30 Something. It's just her her trying to figure out a life. Exactly. Work. She she's done so much work. Now she's got to be single and loving it. Is this the secret TV show you're working on?

[01:32:39] Yeah, that's what it is. Think of it. Zero Dark 30 Something. That's why I love Chastain. That's a great fit for free form. I think so. You get you get the military families. Chastain. Yes, yes. You get the kids that also they love 30 something. Yeah, that's right.

[01:32:53] You're joking about this. But what I do like about the ending is a kind of the ending shot of this with her crying on the plane reminds me and with especially it's a bit of a layup. But when the guy goes to where you going now? Yeah.

[01:33:06] And she should be like just take me home. Right. Right. And John Braylock goes, Motherfucker I know where you live or whatever it is. Braylock kills it. Yeah. The end of this movie reminds me of the end of the graduate where it's like

[01:33:19] we nailed it and it's like what the fuck happens now. And she's crying not just because of all the emotions that she's like had pent up everything she's placed on this one sort of mission trying to find this one guy that's her life.

[01:33:30] Dustin Hoffman and now he's dead. Right. She gets recruited out of high school. Hoffman played Bin Laden by the way. He did a good job. But don't they say that she got recruited out of high school? Yeah, she says that because that's the scene where Panetta

[01:33:42] sits down with her and he's got like a pudding cup or whatever. He doesn't. All great actors. He'd put it. Yeah. And a pudding cup. And he's like you've been doing this your whole life and she's like pretty much or like you did everything

[01:33:54] else and she's like just this and he's like how'd we get you recruited me out of high school. And I think he's trying to make this person crazy and maniacally obsessed with this. Yeah. So she's just telling me what I need to hear. But that's her character is

[01:34:05] kind of... Or is she for real? Like and then he makes the decision like she's for real. She's for real but also I mean there's that thing where he goes what do you think of her and Panetta's assistant goes like I think she's fucking smart.

[01:34:15] He goes we're all smart. We're all smart. That's a great line. Great. Mark Broll doesn't always write great dialogue but that's a really good line. That's a great change. And also Gandolfini just he loves it. One thing I just sorry you were going to say something.

[01:34:28] But it makes that character interesting which is like this guy's at a loss and he's like I don't know she's smart and Gandolfini's like we're all smart but the fuck you talk about it's like but there's some weird X factor to her. She walks into a room and

[01:34:37] she's not the most powerful person. She's not the loudest person. She's not the oldest person. She's not the most physically intimate. It's because she's the woman and they're all like something about her smart. It seems different. Everyone just kind of like eventually bends to her.

[01:34:53] Like even all these like superiors were like shut the fuck up. Eventually you're like okay it's a go. Maya do what you want. There's some like weird movie convention that I struggle with all the time because I feel like I like it in a sense

[01:35:05] of like it gets to a thing that I'm not like I'm supposed to not like it because it makes no sense but just the idea of like whenever someone is doubted people who are their entire job is to play things by the book.

[01:35:17] They take the risk and go like oh right and they're just like like they're like I don't know about this but you seem confident and I trust you for reasons I can't explain so you go ahead and when someone is like the head

[01:35:28] of the CIA does something this big I feel like I want them to have a better reason. I want them to see the work they're going through or something just be like this is pretty well thought out so you're sure about this. You did your homework on this.

[01:35:40] You made a diorama of his house very nice by the way. You made up all the plans of the exact Marvel characters that we're gonna get to play the soldiers. Interesting choice of Darkhawk I didn't realize he was gonna be in this one but okay. Mike Coulter okay.

[01:35:55] All right. But just that sort of convention I feel like from a standpoint of like as someone who likes watching movies I'm always just like it's so fun show me more of that but just the writing sense of it I'm just kind of like don't make it more

[01:36:11] plausible. Sure and they keep on going like well there's no way we can really confirm like we gotta take a flyer on this right. Like their argument is always like pretty good chance but we don't know it's probably someone in there but. Which is also like a weird

[01:36:23] tension point that they try to make that doesn't work as a world that knows that they've got him right. Right we're not gonna know if it's been lauding or not until we kill him right is like essentially the flyer that they're asking sure I'm right

[01:36:36] man I think them I guess that's part of it because right they didn't know right and you know Joe Biden was like let's not do it is a bad idea right and Obama was like yeah yeah we're gonna do it and then he went out

[01:36:48] and fucking crushed his JFL audition that was the same night and gave the order yeah he was like I don't do this now then I gotta do it when some other stuff is happening I need I need one really good one. Yeah so yeah yeah that's the

[01:37:02] movie it's weird I wonder now watching it with some distance if the movie would hold up better or worse if it had been made before we caught bin Laden if she had made the original version she wanted to make with just about the frustration of

[01:37:16] not being able to find this guy I kind of wish that she had still gone ahead and made that just because I feel like it's like if we caught the Zodiac killer in 2007 like they're gonna rewrite Zodiac I think the movie should be

[01:37:28] about old Jill and Hall and got him he was back he was downstairs you know just like I feel like the more interesting thing of a movie is not basing it around an event that everyone knows just be like here's how we got to the

[01:37:40] event it should be about like like I think the most interesting war movies are always ones where it's like if you didn't know about this man here's what happened or right you do know about this event here's one slice of it that is such an important

[01:37:51] thing like we can even just have we got him in the fucking like and credit card or something like that's not the important part of the movie although I think if they do focus it on Maya than that relief of like we got him this

[01:38:01] is the this is an end of a period of my life is important right and I right now she ties cream in her PJs on this couch that's right but the Maya character it felt like was working on that level like in my mind I was

[01:38:13] like the thing that elevates this movie is it really works as character piece yes she's just in the middle of this big like kind of historical story you're saying you feel less that way now really oh some of them lawn is a MacGuffin

[01:38:24] here right I kind of feel less that way just because I feel like suitcase of this movie what we as the audience are bringing less to the table and watching this movie now you know I feel like having lived through all of it having

[01:38:37] it be so recent everyone was coming into the movie already feeling a little bit of Maya in them in one way or another right whether or not they had bloodlust there was that little sense of like yeah that was frustrated you know and now it's just kind

[01:38:49] of like I don't know we fucking elected Donald Trump like yeah I feel like we've come to it at a different point of view just like there's a certain like wokeness around Muslim representation too so just watching this entire movie and being like so five years ago

[01:39:03] huh really just five just five this is like the kind of movie that would make people want to support the travel ban if they were dumb and they watch it the wrong way yes I think at the end when they say the forgotten country

[01:39:16] thing I also came to this point of like oh that's real that's really that's like the declarative like statement at the end of like a sequence of events like this that's what it's about okay yeah you just have this moment where you have

[01:39:31] to be like this is very jingoistic isn't it but it also but I still was like I want I'm still all in I still support this woman in her quest seems a little bit more vengeful and foolish now even though it no it's

[01:39:45] no you're right I mean yeah I think you're right is like I wonder five years from now this movie will play even differently than it does now well five years from now it's going to be good again right yeah that's the thing that's it'll be a plus

[01:39:55] dark 30 again right yeah I wonder if this movie is this kind of mood ring for where we are politically in my view about ourselves yeah this is the wrong time to be watching Zero Dark 30 I'm sorry that we did it now Detroit a

[01:40:09] movie it's the right time to walk no better time for and this is the thing I'm we're probably going to record that episode a while from now correct maybe a little while from you know I I can't imagine a scenario in which when you

[01:40:21] guys release this it's just going to be the week that something terrible happened and then it's going to be like come listen to us talk about Detroit and Zero Dark 30 yeah people are gonna be like no I know thanks no hey that's why we needed no start guests

[01:40:36] like yeah people be like the guy who did Gilmore girls yeah that's the mood I'm I think there's a lot of overlap between Gilmore girls fans and Zero Dark 30 they call themselves Gilly suits can we play the box up so we play this game where

[01:40:52] I try to guess the box office the week the movie came out because I'm a freak I have a computer brain and I memorize this stats this is part of the the hacker look that you have yes right almost computer hacker who only knows box

[01:41:04] office you got grift now I have two things I want to point out okay one this movie made ninety five million dollars domestic forty million dollar budget way big big hit one hundred thirty two worldwide so wasn't a big player internationally sure shocker yeah but yeah came

[01:41:22] out December nineteen two thousand twelve and this was kind of the year where Anna Perna really like rose up and they crested this year the cherry on top was like in a genuine box office success yeah but do you want me to do that limited release or

[01:41:36] do you want me to do the week it went why I want to do the wide week and then maybe you can fill me in on the limited but the wide week was in January right January eleven twenty thirteen I can't throw a

[01:41:46] stat that I remember from the week after this oh okay really show I think Zero Dark Thirty is number one for two weeks in a row in limited release but then after that no no it was never number one in limited release I'm saying

[01:41:58] I'm saying sorry once it goes wide I think it was number one for okay just one week it was then usurped by mama mama chestin chest oh you're right holy shit and now that guy's made it yes about the clown which at

[01:42:14] the time mean old clown at the time that we're recording this episode today right I'm dead because I saw it and it's booked me too much spooky even if they just said the tile car real I like my heart but you were

[01:42:31] saying at the time right now I realize I've been saying it's the beginning of September it's actually under August but who gives a shit today or in the last couple days collider posted an article about like well if they make the it sequel where the

[01:42:42] kids grew up fan casting who should play the kids you got fancast is one of them are you playing an older Finn Wolf heart or I'm not I forget which kid it is it's like it's one of those things I was like show the picture of

[01:42:55] the little nerdy kid now be like oh they pick different for this one and then I know because they all kind of our little nerdy look like all of them now I don't look like I've aged enough past any of those well also they had you with like

[01:43:05] Christian Bale and Chris Pratt it was weird you were the one where they were like a curveball you know like they pick like the most obvious act of the world like a weird choice we need a horny Rob in it let's save him from the

[01:43:19] fate of Michael Zore yeah so this movie okay yes opens January goes wide January 11 so it jumps 806 percent from number 16 to number one right having added like 2800 years number two like 20 and being just before the number that's like just before and right before the

[01:43:40] nomination so everyone was like oh man it's gonna fucking sweep with that kind of box of success sure it was actually a surprise hit right yeah I mean like to some people like that is they want to see this you know yeah number two is a

[01:43:52] a con it's a comedy it's a spoof film this is a fendic movie or just a it's definitely spoof in the goof it's in the date movie wheelhouse but it's by I would say one of the sort of bedrock oh two or actors of this

[01:44:10] question did we ever laugh for two consecutive minutes looking at the poster for this movie I think we might have did you Bobby finger and I once laughed for two consecutive minutes looking at the poster for this movie I don't remember is it a haunted house yes

[01:44:25] wait why are we laughing for so long I don't want to see this poster it's a specific one that's what me when Bobby finger just went through like every poster we went through all the posters of that year yeah because it was it was like

[01:44:39] a website that was voting on the best post it was like imp awards or whatever and we got to that one and we laughed for two straight minutes is it the one where he has a boner it's not I will find it

[01:44:49] which one is I will find the poster and I will describe it and I'll we'll get your reaction on sure here's my question yeah you sure it wasn't a haunted house to when did want to come out probably more around when we were doing this 2014

[01:45:05] like are you sure you're right it is a haunted house to because I found the poster and I started laughing and there's no poster for haunted house one that got that reaction out of me okay I'm very curious wait no haunted house is the please show me what

[01:45:26] okay I'm gonna show it to Ben I want to build up suspense yes I think I remember that's good is it the is it the conjuring spoof yeah it's just it's Marlon Wayne's entire swing looking really happy that got you oh my god

[01:45:47] see a haunted house to I did not I did not I heard it was as good as the poster how could it be how could it ever do it was a haunted house one though so that haunted house to comes out only a year later

[01:45:59] so yeah they were sure in them they rushed it and I was too didn't do as well but haunted house one opened to 18 million dollars very healthy yeah I'm sure its budget was two and a half so you know there you go yeah number three

[01:46:15] is a movie that was supposed to be like a prestige movie opening this week that got pushed like I just pushed my phone okay like into January after it like it timed with the news in a really bad way like it lined up with a horrifying news

[01:46:33] event well what happened was really weird that you would never think this movie would line up with a horrifying it was meant to be like an Oscar it was kind of originally intended it's also like it's like a crime movie so like it was also supposed to be

[01:46:46] just a big thing but like they thought it was gonna be an Oscar play had an all-star cast Max Payne exactly I knew it so you said it lined up with a bad thing I was like I remember Max Payne that arm dropery of a game stop yeah

[01:47:02] all star cast in the game have you played the game when you walk across the line of blood yeah forever and it's really annoying I don't remember the line of blood thing but I just remember like it slowed down at times I'm like well this seems like an

[01:47:16] Oscar play yeah yeah I explain super cool yeah really cool guy I'll start to cast big director no don't kind of a bit no up and coming director he had a hit it has the stupidest title you ever did here boy and it got no nominations

[01:47:34] no no no nominations for this one no no thank you but it would also push because it had this on seeing that uncomfortably mimicked something that had just happened oh oh oh oh right the weirdest push of all time the movie is gangster squad gangsta squad yes

[01:47:54] I remember now and they had that scene in the trailer where they break through the movie screen shooting Tommy guns and that trailer played before the dark night after there was the shooting and they were like oh forget it sorry that was the only thing keeping

[01:48:10] gangster squad from such success gangster squad what if there was a squad of gangsters now hold on I've seen the gangster before you went you there's good fellas but you mean like two two or more oh okay I'm intrigued could Ryan baby goose Gosling be one of the

[01:48:26] gangsters please okay gangster squad was kind of the original Suicide Squad was it was it's were they weren't twisted that's the difference well Sean Penn was pretty twisty really yeah I'm a stones in that movie yeah yeah Giovanni Robisi Anthony Mackie it's got a

[01:48:44] hot cast it's one of my favorite character posters because you know I love when movies are overzealous with character going to give them to characters that don't deserve them the gangster squad ones it's like Josh Brolin with a Tommy gun yeah like fucking Sean Penn like

[01:48:58] boxing somebody and there's a Giovanni Robisi one where he's just got headphones on he's like listening I've got it for you right here he's just listening he's just listening to Anthony Mackie made it to the background of this one he doesn't even know what his phone is

[01:49:14] the look of this movie is so good but I the movie is so bad I feel like this is the point at which I was just like no I don't think I can like Ruby Fleischer movies I don't think I even

[01:49:26] with Zambia Land I was like am I the only one that I thought was on the fence about this but yeah that movie's fun you got two character that one's just looking at film this is great what is his role

[01:49:36] is it just this he works in an office the archivist hey guys got some gangster squad news for you Robert Patrick looks like he's eating the cigar he looks like he they caught a mid-swallowing the cigar and they were don't take the photo yet is there a

[01:49:50] nulty one your ass there is is he the commissioner looks like Josh Brolin in makeup hey Nick actually was that actually is what Josh Brolin is Nick no to can we get you doing like a fun kind of pose because we got like Giovanni looking at the phone

[01:50:04] to get me looking straight ahead at the camera this is all you get okay can we get a smile or something you got two seconds snap away can we get the photo of the photo of Ryan gossing on a tire swing outside the police station

[01:50:18] that's gangster squad 2 right right which also got pushed because it came in this one too wow this is David airmovie gangster squad and is that number four number five number three my friend oh number four is well it's a part of another

[01:50:38] list I want to go through with you which is box office mojo's list controversy which zero dark 30 is number 11 in can't wait to take you through that list the box office mojo has a helpful description one word of every movies controversy what the controversy

[01:50:52] anyway so this was a controversial movie of the year of 2012 it was not made for best picture one two Oscars and you got one of them our direction no so wasn't our ago sound no editing think think think bigger now I'm not

[01:51:10] talking about your doctor I'm talking about this movie that we're going to have my named one screen play and one acting award and one an acting award minute hang on a second I'm in the wrong year because I was just like oh it was a social network

[01:51:22] that's that's a couple years earlier supporting actor correct is Django and change yep a quentin Tarantino picture yeah three really which has made 125 million dollars in three weeks that's a huge hit yeah and then number five is musical lemes yeah they miss yeah they all did

[01:51:46] all of those I'm just like I can't believe there were multiple companies like this is our Christmas movie yeah the family the families either coming out to see Django or zero dark really fucking rough that year was like the musical about like yeah the saddest musical

[01:52:04] yeah revolution and prostitutes dying right yeah god being out watch Russell Crowe sing yeah yeah that Russell Crowe just being tortured on screen yeah and I he looks like in so much pain when he's singing probably two one six oh one fuck damn sorry

[01:52:24] the hobbit I know one thing about lame is and that's it was the Hobbit this year too Hobbit one an unexpected journey is hanging out Lincoln's hanging out parental guidance what's that that was Billy Crystal in bed medley I was thinking admission with Paul Rudd and Tina Fey

[01:52:44] no that comes that's right around there weird movie parental guidance was like Billy Crystal hadn't done a movie in like eight years and was like I wrote a screenplay about me taking care of my great grandkids and he had like when he would show

[01:52:56] up at like the Oscars and stuff he was like now clearly like gray hair salt and pepper beard was like looking older and then this movie comes out where he plays a grandpa died his hair jet black new facelift shave the beard looks

[01:53:08] 20 years younger in an artificial way and it's like dude you wrote a grandpa movie for yourself you wouldn't let yourself look like a fucking grandpa my favorite thing is that number nine of the box office is Texas it was a Chainsaw 3d which I don't remember

[01:53:22] the saw I guess comes out yeah I assume it was the leather on your face it was number one the week before it dropped to number nine dropped 75% yeah it also happened just after that unfortunate chainsaw where the chainsaw came out of the screen it was a giant

[01:53:44] chainsaw but they didn't push it back let me take you through the most controversial movies ever made according to box office motor number one by success sure number one passion of the Christ brackets anti-semitism hmm number two the da Vinci code brackets anti-christian

[01:54:02] I remember the controversy being is bad yeah right that was with they got over the controversy of the first one like alright but Washington they did two more and like well these aren't these are offensive in a different way muddled storytelling number three the day after tomorrow

[01:54:18] brackets global warming I guess don't make up things and like oh we didn't oh number four Django and Chained brackets and really thanks for this box office mojo n word that's what they wrote now they wrote n word to be clear oh god number five true lies anti-Arab

[01:54:44] yeah and then angels and demons also anti-christian apparently that's I feel like we didn't care about that point we're getting to the best one number seven Fahrenheit 9 11 anti-bush sure number eight basic instinct I bush you let you I did I did I'll you

[01:55:04] to know you're right you're right nice passage should have been pro bush anti-bush I was a writer for the good place I would have come up with that brackets vagina flash and right now that's how they describe it's what they wrote my favorite Rolling Stones song

[01:55:20] so that wasn't the controversy wasn't the controversy for that movie that everyone thought it was anti-gay I died was it really it's a it's a barrel among I don't think anyone was protesting the vagina word here's what I'll say I've never seen basic

[01:55:36] instinct and pretty much my entire knowledge of it besides the character is a vagina flash yes right is brackets vagina flash it's a gas gas gas and they've also some weird ones broke back mountain gay cowboys barbershop anti-black leaders because they like make fun of

[01:55:52] Rosa Parks I don't know if that counts no that's not barbershop yeah come on I feel like when you're typing this and you have to say is barbershop anti-black maybe just go like I'm probably wrong Garfield the movie anti-Odie 25 is powder brackets child molester director

[01:56:10] yeah right these are they're levels here that we have to acknowledge I want them to reorder this in terms of like controversy yeah it's like well powders too now and number one is the other movies by Victor Salva including the entire Jeepers creeper trilogy and then number 41 number 42

[01:56:28] sorry is the brown bunny brackets oral sex climax who wrote this list I want to interview him and just figure out what's happening the guy who pitched all these ideas just like I'm going to keep tabs but I want them official alright anyway I'm done

[01:56:46] sorry there's an extra long box up this game yeah well this episode on zero dark 30 dark city oh no no because we didn't go with that no it's not the titular is not speaking of which I I remember thinking I don't get it around the time this

[01:57:02] the movie came out but I've forgotten what does zero dark 30 even mean it literally just means it's like army slang for like half past midnight but it really just means like that like the worst time like like dark at night it's like when's this mission zero dark 30

[01:57:16] like it's not like some official military term it's kind of like a midnight raid thing I always think of the mega-nam ram tweet what was your you know I like my men like I like my zero dark and 30 it's a great tweet it's a great tweet

[01:57:30] thank you so much for being on the show thank you for having me I've enjoyed talking about this movie that I only kind of enjoyed I'm very glad that you were here to talk about this movie yes very glad to have you on the part

[01:57:42] right yeah we're gonna have a great time with that one you still haven't seen it you said I still haven't seen it as as of this recording I still have not seen it I probably will see it in the next couple

[01:57:52] days are you gonna go see the theater yeah it's gonna be gone soon it's gonna valerian itself right out of the theaters and then to see valerian and then as soon as soon as it stopped playing in 3d I was

[01:58:02] like maybe I'll miss this yeah you got to see it in three days it is excellent in 3d that is true yeah I have issues with that movie but it is I have an issue nothing is how much I've done no one

[01:58:12] I've heard everyone's like don't go see it it's bad and I was like it's alright I'm gonna go see yeah I mean the one the second I saw the trailer with gangsters paradise and I was like this movie could be a zero percent and I'm

[01:58:24] in so I'll be paying 14 bucks for that on it well I'm gonna own it on blue ray the first second they let me so coming over to my house anytime you're gonna be capped out of Best Buy and they're like no one does

[01:58:34] it anymore fine we'll send it to you check like do you have the most positive review on Metacritic for that movie I don't know I might I mean I unabashedly it will be in my top 10 of the year you gave it like what

[01:58:46] like a 96 I mean Atlantic doesn't rate out of 100 but for this you did you're like forget the letter system where numbers now exactly 9.9 baby yeah 9.9 baby no I really do love that movie I like some of it we'll talk about it someday when you do

[01:59:04] the films of Lupin son damn right we will yes except we're not going to do all those weird French cartoons he made Arthur the Minimoys we're not gonna do all three of those the minimoys trilogy yeah he made three and we're not that's weird you

[01:59:16] don't want to hemorrhage listeners I really I really just wanted it like like Debbie was saying just know everyone's reaction universally nope um well Demi anything you want plug people should watch the show that you can't talk about working on

[01:59:30] yeah just watch every show on freeform that comes out next year and watch the good place if you haven't already it's on Netflix and by the time this is out season 2 is on which I didn't write on but still I don't know

[01:59:40] about so I presume it can only be better because I have a surprise for me now but um yeah and check out Gilmore guys if you like Gilmore girls and have 400 hours to spare and good places on Netflix now show me now so it's much easier to watch

[01:59:54] it's the best show and like it was a delight to work on if I can fan out to you for a second with a question I have to ask been a big follower of your work for years love everything you do you were the one person who was

[02:00:08] single-handedly justifying keeping Vine going for me and then I stopped and they're like okay shut it down but I would still like check every six months to be like has he done a couple in the last couple months do you have those saved anywhere your vines lost of

[02:00:22] time I do have them save some initially I was just going to let them go but like people kept messaging me being like hey I hope you save those and I was like okay so I have them on a computer so you're working on the criterion please right

[02:00:34] or at least West Anderson and I are doing a double pack it's a 4k restoration of me just doing Oscar vines that was my favorite when you would do the Oscar the Oscar the whole Oscar stories that would I really love those thank you those are always fun

[02:00:50] which is why I started doing the Will Smith thing when Vine died but yeah so the Will Smith things been really good so you used to have to oh man what if Will Smith does Zero Dark 30 song now I'm thinking about that for those Oscar ones

[02:01:04] you had to create videos with graphics yeah then transfer those videos on to your TV and then film the TV as if it was being broadcast live that was the beauty of it you put so much fucking work into your vines knowing that there was no room for

[02:01:18] post production it was like the amount of pre-production Demi does and all these seven second videos is insane I feel like in some ways like to me that always added to it because it's like if I just put the video up then that's fine

[02:01:32] but just the level of like faking it to the point where it's like obviously it's fake but I still I think there's an added layer of joke to why did you do that much work that I always think is funny

[02:01:42] that was the weekend yes no that was the ultimate show and now you have the final laugh no I don't because you kill fun that's right you drove a steak into its heart and then you came on to Blank Check with Griffin and David that's right

[02:01:58] we talked about Zero Dark 30 thank you so much David's holding his arms out like eh come on please eulogize me in November when this is out and I've died from it it was a good way to go I'll eulogize you when I'm in It too

[02:02:14] I'll eulogize you in character just all you have to do is just mention Will Smith once and I'll from Heaven, well from Hell down with Osama and Gandolfini I'll be like that's my E It too which will have a cast of the grown up losers

[02:02:28] we're all definitely the same age it'll be me, Christian Bale, Kirk Douglas we both were rushing to try to get to it god damn it I was about to be like Chloe Grace Moretz yeah right

[02:02:42] that was the next way to go was that I was going to do an old guy and then a young teenage girl and then also Finn Wolfhard as an older version of one of the other characters yeah he plays the girl yeah that's right yeah exactly

[02:02:56] well thank you all for listening if you remember to rate reviews subscribe go to Blankies.Reddit.com for some real nerdy shit thanks to thanks to Andra Gull for our social media and for our artwork lane monk army for our theme song and as always

[02:03:10] I forgot to introduce Ben shit we did are you mad Ben I'm fine done it fucking the hundred we've done so many god damn times 20, 30 god damn times yeah exactly okay I'll do that remember to do this Ben in a couple months

[02:03:28] it's a real Bill and Ted moment